| 00:00.26 | anish | you want [Containments] |
| 00:01.09 | anish | rather, resize your panel, and see what changes |
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| 00:04.26 | gorgonzola | ok, will check |
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| 00:08.03 | gorgonzola | woa. this is huge! :P |
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| 00:10.57 | Macer | anish: yes |
| 00:11.07 | Macer | i just removed konqueror and am testing out chromium now |
| 00:11.08 | anish | cool |
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| 00:13.12 | gorgonzola | anish: hey, maximum size and minimum size kinda work like dynamic size... thanks. |
| 00:13.22 | anish | np |
| 00:13.26 | Scunizi | Is there a kde front end for sane? |
| 00:15.17 | anish | Scunizi: skanlite |
| 00:15.46 | Scunizi | anish: thanks.. I'll see if it's in my repos. |
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| 00:22.33 | Macer | well |
| 00:22.48 | Macer | chromium has gotten WAY better since i last tried it |
| 00:22.52 | Macer | i think i can remove ff |
| 00:23.01 | Macer | but i'm not sure how well it plays flash video in linux |
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| 00:30.10 | Vamp898 | F |
| 00:30.20 | Vamp898 | *What does virtuoso-t do? |
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| 00:31.36 | Vamp898 | it runs two times on my system. The first process needs ~100mb of memory and the second one ~40mb |
| 00:34.08 | Vamp898 | i just read that its something like a database but i wonder why it is started by nepomuk/strigi when akonadi/amarok already started mysql? Is it something very different to MySQL or does it have a special reason why i need so much Server Database Applications to use my Desktop? |
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| 00:49.13 | troy | vamp left before anyone could answer... |
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| 01:53.13 | Cap_J_L_Picard | I have KDE 4.4.2 on a dual head system (nvidia twinview + xinerama) and I have seperate panel on each monitor with a taskbar and each taskbar is set to only show windows on the monitor. However when a window is fullscreen on one monitor it is showing up on both taskbars? |
| 01:54.30 | troy | Cap_J_L_Picard: file a bug :) it sounds like you have enough information for that |
| 01:54.41 | Cap_J_L_Picard | full screen video windows and such are fine, just when it's scaled maximised by kwin for things like firefox |
| 01:55.05 | troy | Cap_J_L_Picard: what's likely happening is an off-by-one error or somesuch where the kwin borders are spilling onto the other screen - so kwin thinks the window is spanning both monitors |
| 01:55.25 | Cap_J_L_Picard | troy: Figured it might be, but someone else noticing it and confirming it, just to check it's not just my configuration. |
| 01:55.32 | Cap_J_L_Picard | troy: I though of that... |
| 01:55.43 | troy | if not the border, then the window shadow or something *shrugs* |
| 01:56.20 | Cap_J_L_Picard | as it happens both with and without compositing, it's not the shadow... |
| 01:56.37 | troy | then I'll assume it's the border |
| 01:56.50 | troy | or the code that's trying to figure out which screen a window is one has an off-by-one error |
| 01:56.58 | Cap_J_L_Picard | well, maximised windows are set to only have a top border here... |
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| 01:59.45 | Cap_J_L_Picard | it doesn't matter the window or the screen. |
| 01:59.46 | Cap_J_L_Picard | as far as I can tell there is no actual pixel spilover viewable... |
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| 02:33.57 | barraponto | i can see it on my archlinux install. |
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| 04:31.14 | nawk_ | what system/program is responsible for providing multiple workspaces ? |
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| 04:39.24 | alisonken1noc | which desktop are you using? gnome kde fluxbox fvwm95 blackbox .... ? |
| 04:39.42 | Sho_ | he's in #kde, what do you think? ;) |
| 04:39.49 | zeke | nawk_: that;d be the desktop environment, not xorg |
| 04:39.54 | zeke | afaik |
| 04:40.17 | Sho_ | nawk_: kwin, the window manager |
| 04:40.31 | nawk_ | Sho_ right. Thanks |
| 04:40.49 | alisonken1noc | Sho_, being in several channels, I'm used to seeing questions that are not always on topic :) |
| 04:41.28 | Sho_ | alisonken1noc: fair enough :) |
| 04:41.46 | nawk_ | desktop environment, as far as I understand is a set of programs that provides GUI to different functionalities |
| 04:42.01 | nawk_ | which includes a file manager, window manager, etc |
| 04:42.13 | nawk_ | feel free to rectify my understanding |
| 04:42.14 | Sho_ | yeah |
| 04:42.21 | alisonken1noc | desktop environment is what provides the look and feel for applications that use a gui |
| 04:42.31 | alisonken1noc | so that the file manager, window manager, etc. all look the same |
| 04:42.38 | alisonken1noc | reasonably the same, rather |
| 04:43.08 | Sho_ | that's not really true |
| 04:43.20 | alisonken1noc | in the case of kde and gnome, they provide extra functionality that some other de's don't |
| 04:43.20 | Sho_ | the look and feel is provided by toolkits applications use, or by applications themselves |
| 04:44.21 | alisonken1noc | I was under the impression the toolkits just provide the widgets and the de provides the look and feel aspects |
| 04:44.29 | nawk_ | Sho_ right, that's also what I understand b/c GTK+ and QT look fairly different i.e. distinguishable |
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| 04:45.19 | Sho_ | nawk_: virtual desktops are a part of the ewmh/netwm spec that window managers like kwin implement. so kwin does the major part of the heavy lifting in kde's case. however the desktop shell - the program responsible for drawing the desktop and the panels - acts in concert with the window manager there, e.g. by showing the pager applet that provides a visual overview of the virtual desktops. the desktop shell in kde is called plasma. plasma in turn uses code from kde's |
| 04:45.20 | Sho_ | libraries to implement that functionality. |
| 04:45.37 | Sho_ | nawk_: so on the whole, virtual desktop functionality is distributed over several codebases |
| 04:47.31 | alisonken1noc | it also depends on if you're talking to a user or someone with a clue about what happens behind the clicks |
| 04:48.18 | Sho_ | well, one of the nice things about open source is that it's open for people to learn about how it works :-) |
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| 04:48.31 | nawk_ | Sho_ you're cool |
| 04:48.37 | mozafar | hi all |
| 04:49.39 | nawk_ | Sho_ I'm a CS student and don't know everything and is happy to learn that the open source community welcomes new comers :-) |
| 04:50.05 | hanibanaa | is there any way to define a shortcut to activate/come up a minimized application/task ? (KDE 4) |
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| 04:50.22 | Sho_ | nawk_: hehe, we survive on interested newcomers! :) don't hesitate to ask |
| 04:50.46 | alisonken1noc | hanibanaa, I believe that would be one of the generic X options that gui apps are supposed to support |
| 04:51.53 | alisonken1noc | hanibanaa, possibly "man X" and look at -iconic |
| 04:52.27 | hanibanaa | alisonken1noc: thanks |
| 04:52.51 | Sho_ | hanibanaa: a specific app? |
| 04:53.10 | alisonken1noc | also note the comments on that as well |
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| 04:55.17 | hanibanaa | Sho_ : no just thought about that. And seting it for any apps.... |
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| 04:56.39 | hanibanaa | Sho_: good for times which one is keyboard-bounded ;) instead of using alt-tab |
| 04:56.50 | Sho_ | hanibanaa: depends. if it's a kde app, you can always use KDE's Input Actions to set up a global shortcut that makes a D-Bus call to unminimize the app. if it's a single-instance app, simply rerunning its executable will also usually unminimize and raise it. failing that, alt+tab unminimizes a window if you go to it (as long as alt+tab is set to minimized windows, which it does by default) |
| 04:57.13 | Sho_ | *set to show minimized windows |
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| 04:58.24 | hanibanaa | how do define a "KDE application", Sho_ ? |
| 04:59.02 | Sho_ | hanibanaa: An application that uses KDE's libraries, in particular, the class KApplication |
| 04:59.23 | hanibanaa | Sho_: how to find out that thing? |
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| 04:59.45 | Sho_ | hanibanaa: Usually it's going to have "About KDE" in its "Help" menu, provided it has a menu bar .. |
| 05:00.28 | hanibanaa | Sho_: what about something like VirtualBox? |
| 05:01.02 | Sho_ | not a KDE app |
| 05:01.37 | Sho_ | for a non-KDE app, you could use the utility wmctrl (http://tripie.sweb.cz/utils/wmctrl/) to create a command that unminimizes a window with a certain window title, and then let a KDE Input Action run that |
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| 05:02.06 | Sho_ | i.e. you set up an Input Action with a global shortcut that runs a wmctrl command to unminimize the window with a certain window title |
| 05:03.15 | hanibanaa | yes thanks great points. |
| 05:04.56 | nawk_ | Sho_ So you (too) started out by "lurking in various KDE-related IRC channel" heh So during the early phase ("early 2005) did you know all the in and outs of the X Window System and the ewmh (both these documents are friggin hug as a mofo) its hard to imagine one can put it into perspective that easily. |
| 05:05.40 | Sho_ | nawk_: no, back then I didn't :) |
| 05:05.44 | nawk_ | s/channel/&s/ |
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| 05:20.33 | biohazrd | anyone know why kontact would startup but just sits there inactive? |
| 05:21.17 | biohazrd | kontact(30760)/kdeui (kdelibs): No such XML file ......kde4/share/apps/kontact/local-.rc |
| 05:21.45 | biohazrd | all the apps seem to work standalone |
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| 05:43.07 | ||arifaX | how can I manually refresh content of kde menu. I am used to not to reboot all the time since linux now runs so smooth on my netbook. I really need to refresh somehow the menu? |
| 05:43.59 | Sho_ | ||arifaX: normally you should not have to do this manually - but you can force it by running "kbuildsycoca4" |
| 05:44.06 | alisonken1noc | ||arifaX, hmmm - mine autorefreshes anytime I make changes to the application directory |
| 05:45.19 | ||arifaX | alisonken1noc: and Sho_: it does not automatically (kubuntu). but kbuildsycoca4 did it - thanks very much |
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| 05:45.41 | Sho_ | something's broken on kubuntu, then |
| 05:46.04 | ||arifaX | Sho_: or some packages do not initiate it at install end? |
| 05:47.12 | Sho_ | ||arifaX: even if they didn't, kded usually watches the relevant folders and refreshes the SYstem COnfiguration CAche (-> sycoca) when their contents change |
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| 05:49.29 | alisonken1noc | kubuntu possibly, they have been known to make some tweaks. I use slackware and haven't had that issue |
| 05:50.35 | ||arifaX | alisonken1noc: I think they will fix that. I love it. |
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| 06:18.47 | k1lumin4t1 | so |
| 06:18.51 | k1lumin4t1 | any news on quanta? |
| 06:19.44 | zegenie | kdevelop4 is doing a good job with web development afaict :) |
| 06:20.03 | k1lumin4t1 | yes, but not as complete as quanta |
| 06:20.56 | svuorela | k1lumin4t1: follow milian wolff's blog. |
| 06:21.17 | k1lumin4t1 | svuorela, could you share an url? |
| 06:22.20 | Jucato | there is a Google Summer of Code student who will be working on it I think |
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| 06:22.52 | svuorela | k1lumin4t1: I*m trying to find it ,) |
| 06:23.01 | svuorela | Jucato: guess what the name of that student is ... ;) |
| 06:23.45 | k1lumin4t1 | Jucato, on quanta you mean? |
| 06:23.46 | Jucato | svuorela: Sune Vuorela? |
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| 06:24.00 | Jucato | k1lumin4t1: yep |
| 06:24.01 | svuorela | Jucato: nope. I'm not gsoc student |
| 06:24.03 | k1lumin4t1 | Jucato, nice |
| 06:24.16 | Jucato | svuorela: I'm sarcastic :) |
| 06:24.20 | svuorela | Jucato: and I_really dislike doing webdevelopment stuff |
| 06:24.38 | svuorela | k1lumin4t1: http://milianw.de/taxonomy/term/4/0 |
| 06:24.43 | k1lumin4t1 | Jucato, I'd like to help KDE with some spanish translation |
| 06:25.01 | svuorela | k1lumin4t1: then you should contact albert |
| 06:25.16 | k1lumin4t1 | svuorela, who's albert? |
| 06:26.10 | k1lumin4t1 | KDE 4.4. is hot! |
| 06:26.12 | k1lumin4t1 | :D |
| 06:27.57 | svuorela | k1lumin4t1: http://i18n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=es |
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| 08:17.37 | d3x | ok, that's strange - i'm installing 4.4.3 from debian sid right now. when was it released? there is no release note, this # says "4.4.2 is out". what's going on? :) |
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| 08:18.43 | cb400f | d3x: it's not released |
| 08:18.48 | cb400f | but it _is_ tagged |
| 08:19.00 | cb400f | so debian are breaking the law, breaking the law :-) |
| 08:19.36 | ForgeAus | uh whats.. "it?" |
| 08:20.03 | ForgeAus | kde-base? |
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| 08:20.31 | cb400f | it == kde sc 4.4.3 |
| 08:20.38 | ForgeAus | SC? |
| 08:20.55 | cb400f | software compilation |
| 08:21.17 | ForgeAus | 4.4.x is recent :) |
| 08:21.45 | ForgeAus | I'm still way back 4.2.x in Kubuntu Intrepid... |
| 08:22.18 | cb400f | ewww.. you sure have something to look forward to :-) |
| 08:22.28 | ForgeAus | (kinda got stuck with drivespace and upgrading, etc.. so goina wait til I get a new PC before I upgrade... I probably won't recognise it by that time lol |
| 08:23.15 | ForgeAus | I could, of course scrap and reinstall from scratch something new... |
| 08:23.31 | alisonken1noc | might try slackware - it may surprise you |
| 08:23.47 | ForgeAus | slackware is ok |
| 08:23.59 | ForgeAus | I liked zenwalk and wolvix when I tried them |
| 08:24.18 | ForgeAus | but I settled on Kubuntu, although I'm thinking of moving to mint... |
| 08:24.26 | alisonken1noc | unfortunately, zenwalk and wolvix have departed from base slackware, but still not bad distros |
| 08:24.29 | ForgeAus | meanwhile I have my hands full toying with PCLinuxOS liveDVD's |
| 08:24.38 | alisonken1noc | always fun trying new things |
| 08:25.01 | ForgeAus | Slax is on my HawkPE boot CD lol thats another slackware-based distro |
| 08:25.43 | ForgeAus | well the good thing about slackware is most of the packets that are binary can be dumped in Kubuntu and in my experience mostly work out of the box... (although your not supposed to do that) |
| 08:26.02 | ForgeAus | source packages don't... they need to be aliened or something |
| 08:26.27 | d3x | cb400f, thanks for clarifying :) |
| 08:27.11 | alisonken1noc | since slackware packages are basically tarballs, it's easy to install a slackware package in other distro's |
| 08:27.16 | d3x | and debian is not that much "breaking the law" :) there are many -git or -svn versions of different packages in sid :) |
| 08:27.20 | ForgeAus | and with the big stuff like mono or complex proggies that install in many places, I wouldn't suggest using a slackware package and dumping the binary for it, especially if theres a *buntu package for that proggy... |
| 08:27.22 | alisonken1noc | can't say the same about other distro packages |
| 08:27.51 | ForgeAus | is that why theres a sidux? :) |
| 08:28.22 | ForgeAus | alisonken1noc I find .deb's to be nice, I'm not so experienced with rpm's but I've heard of rpmhell which makes me shiver just thinking about it |
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| 08:28.25 | d3x | debian packages are arballs with some pre- and post- scripts. easy to install on anything (just 'ar x package.deb' and you have all your files) |
| 08:28.31 | ForgeAus | sofar I havn't come across that problem, thankfully |
| 08:29.30 | ForgeAus | yeah they use shell archiving ar as opposed to cpio that rpm's use... |
| 08:29.51 | ForgeAus | I think thats shell archive, not sure about that bit |
| 08:30.13 | alisonken1noc | ar correct, not sure about the shell part |
| 08:31.00 | ForgeAus | oddly when I asked and needed that info for Interix |
| 08:31.04 | ForgeAus | the debian pplz wouldn't tell me! |
| 08:31.13 | alisonken1noc | however, they are still an archive of 2 archives, so you end up doing double unarchiving to get to the real files |
| 08:31.16 | saLOUt | setxkbmap -layout de,us,de -variant nodeadkeys,,neo -option -option grp:menu_toggle doesnt work for me: i cannot access the third level, i.e. [<] + [m] = 1 |
| 08:31.40 | ForgeAus | in fact they even banned me from the channel #debian, since I wasn't using the Debian distro itself |
| 08:31.47 | alisonken1noc | heh |
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| 08:31.52 | ForgeAus | (ie debian-interix != debian) |
| 08:32.13 | ForgeAus | I would have thought they were the ppl that would know how to open a debian package manually |
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| 08:32.42 | dadada | hello fellows |
| 08:32.52 | alisonken1noc | ya thunk? :) however, as picky as the guys at ##slackware can be, even they don't have a problem talking about the package format |
| 08:33.00 | alisonken1noc | regardless of which distro you use |
| 08:33.01 | dadada | does somebody know if there is a simple "old windows wordpad" type richtext application? |
| 08:33.16 | dadada | I mean a word process with only basics, that is quick? |
| 08:33.18 | alisonken1noc | for kde that would kate |
| 08:33.32 | dadada | alisonken1noc: can you make text bold, italic, etc? |
| 08:33.47 | dadada | I mean wordpad not notepad like |
| 08:33.55 | ForgeAus | hehe I think its mostly that dpkg is so ingraned in Debian that if you don't have a working dpkg then they don't want to think about how it actually works! |
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| 08:35.05 | alisonken1noc | dadada, not sure since I pretty much use kate for scripting/basic text and OOo for advanced stuff |
| 08:35.35 | dadada | alisonken1noc: I want basic text with minor things like bold, italic |
| 08:35.44 | boris`` | i'm trying to prevent KDE from displaying one of my windows partitions in the dolphin sidebar to unprivileged users. are those devices probed through hal? |
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| 08:35.46 | dadada | anyone? |
| 08:35.58 | Torch | boris``: yes |
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| 08:36.22 | ForgeAus | KOffice is a KDE OO.o alternative but not sure how far "there" that is... as yet.. |
| 08:36.49 | boris`` | Torch: can i fix it by using hal-set-property to set its volume.ignore to true? or is there another way i should do it? |
| 08:36.56 | dadada | ForgeAus: koffice is more complex than I need, I think |
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| 08:38.41 | Torch | boris``: that might work. just try it. |
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| 08:39.20 | ForgeAus | shrugs |
| 08:41.48 | boris`` | well, i already have and it didn't change anything about my current KDE session. i'm wondering if i need to restart the hal daemon, and if changes made with hal-set-property are persistent or if i need to edit the configuration files instead |
| 08:42.27 | boris`` | truth be told i have no idea what happens if i restart the hal daemon during a desktop session |
| 08:43.53 | alisonken1noc | I believe changes to system settings may require a logout/login to become effective, but don't quote me on that |
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| 08:58.53 | MoDaX | d3x: and you complain because? |
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| 08:59.29 | d3x | MoDaX, ? |
| 09:01.02 | MaikB | Hello. As off kde-4.4.0 (now 4.4.3) krunner locks up if I don't type a command fast enough. After about 7 seconds it becomes responsive again. Did someone else observed this behavior? |
| 09:01.27 | MoDaX | d3x: wrt 4.4.3 |
| 09:01.33 | MaikB | The odd thing is, that there is no notable CPU load, nor the HDD is busy |
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| 09:02.23 | cb400f | MaikB: did see some of that.. I just think it has too many darn runners enabled by default |
| 09:02.37 | alisonken1noc | MaikB, are you using an ati chipset for graphics? |
| 09:02.43 | cb400f | I disabled about 3/4 of them that I don't use anyway and it seems nice and fast since then |
| 09:02.51 | MaikB | alisonken1noc, no |
| 09:03.16 | alisonken1noc | ok - then cb400f may have something for you to look at |
| 09:03.18 | MaikB | alisonken1noc, I saw this on a intel chipset, and now nvidia (new Notebook) |
| 09:03.46 | alisonken1noc | I've only seen it on computers with an ati chipset |
| 09:03.49 | cb400f | my main suspects are the wikipedia and nepomuk runners |
| 09:03.51 | d3x | MoDaX, did i _complain_ about 4.4.3? i only said it's weird that there was no release and it's already in debian, but cb400f clarified it for me |
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| 09:04.15 | MaikB | cb400f, where can I deactivate these runners? |
| 09:04.35 | cb400f | alt+f2 -> click on "the wrench" |
| 09:04.56 | MaikB | well, I'm trying to.. waiting.. |
| 09:06.31 | MaikB | ok |
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| 09:07.12 | MaikB | cb400f, thx a ton! |
| 09:07.28 | MoDaX | d3x: if you are aware what version was previously there, you should not be surprised |
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| 09:08.16 | MaikB | I think it is some internet service that times out |
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| 09:08.22 | MaikB | because there is no load whatsoever |
| 09:08.45 | MoDaX | d3x: and what's more important why it was there |
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| 09:25.41 | MaikB | The krunner settings dialog is locking up all the time, meh |
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| 09:29.09 | [Steven_M] | hi all |
| 09:29.14 | bittin | hi |
| 09:29.33 | MaikB | cb400f, seems like the "Locations" runner cause the delay |
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| 09:30.20 | cb400f | hmm.. that was one of the plugins I kept enabled |
| 09:30.20 | MaikB | feels like a timeout is going on |
| 09:30.24 | [Steven_M] | okular's text selection tool isn't selecting any text. |
| 09:31.33 | MaikB | cb400f, take it with a grain of salt. i just enabled the runners one by one. |
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| 09:32.39 | xTs | Hi. Whats the name of the program that starts the "starter dialog"? The thing that pops up, when you press alt+f2? |
| 09:32.42 | xTs | it just crashed... |
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| 09:33.14 | [Steven_M] | xTs: krunner I think |
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| 09:33.20 | MaikB | xTs, krunner |
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| 09:34.06 | xTs | yep, that's it. Thank you |
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| 09:34.24 | MaikB | xTs, I got trouble with it as well. The problem isn't krunner itself, but with one of the so called "runners" it forwards the text to you are entering |
| 09:35.01 | MaikB | I wonder if there is a wiki page about "problematic" runners |
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| 09:36.00 | MaikB | Snice alt+F2 is a very common action, this is IMO a serious issue |
| 09:36.24 | [Steven_M] | okular's text selection tool isn't selecting any text, can anyone help |
| 09:36.28 | [Steven_M] | ? |
| 09:36.45 | MaikB | if I wouldn't already use KDE and would see this behavior the first time, I would move back to whatever I used before |
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| 09:37.54 | cb400f | [Steven_M]: worksforme "Introduction to Linux" (that text was just copy/pasted from a pdf) |
| 09:37.59 | MaikB | [Steven_M], what do you exactly mean by "not selecting"? No colored rectangle show up when u are trying to select?? |
| 09:38.18 | cb400f | .. so we'd need some info on your distro, kde version, what document you're trying to select text in etc. |
| 09:40.26 | MaikB | [Steven_M], works fine here: So there are two possibilities: 1. Your okular version is buggy 2. you didn't use the interface right |
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| 09:40.37 | pinotree | or the document has no text |
| 09:40.40 | MaikB | or, the pdf is odd |
| 09:40.48 | MaikB | right |
| 09:41.19 | MaikB | maybe it is just an image |
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| 09:41.35 | [Steven_M] | cb400f: MaikB: yep no rectangle, kde version 4.3.5 , gentoo |
| 09:41.40 | tuxick | copy&paste stopped working on this box, after idling over long weekend |
| 09:41.52 | tuxick | where can i look for solution without restarting/rebooting? |
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| 09:42.04 | xTs | uhm, how embarrassing... congratulating a friend for his 25th birthday, because korganizer tells me so and he's 26... |
| 09:42.12 | ultrav1olet | Is KDE 4.4.3 being delayed? |
| 09:42.36 | pinotree | ultrav1olet: why? |
| 09:42.50 | ultrav1olet | It's now 10:00 GMT and most mirrors don't even have 4.4.3 directory |
| 09:42.55 | MaikB | [Steven_M], there is the "Selection" and the "Text Selection" tool, does the "Selection" tool work? |
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| 09:43.01 | pinotree | .... and? |
| 09:43.12 | ultrav1olet | it was supposed to be released today |
| 09:43.12 | xTs | .oO( debian unstable has... ) |
| 09:43.17 | pinotree | .... and? |
| 09:43.17 | MaikB | hm, kde-4.4.3 entered Arch stable |
| 09:43.21 | MaikB | just installed it |
| 09:43.29 | pinotree | ultrav1olet: where it is written we must release at 10utc? |
| 09:43.59 | ultrav1olet | I've no idea, but mirrors should already have it ... maybe :) |
| 09:44.05 | pinotree | maybe not |
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| 09:44.27 | ultrav1olet | otherwise why do you need a 7 days delay before making tarballs and releasing it officially? |
| 09:44.50 | ultrav1olet | I thought so that mirrors had time to synchronize |
| 09:44.53 | pinotree | make sure it compiles for most of the distros, basic testing, stuff like that? |
| 09:45.18 | ultrav1olet | I quite agree with that notion :) |
| 09:45.27 | pinotree | okay, then be *patient* |
| 09:45.40 | ultrav1olet | I will, thank you :) |
| 09:46.50 | [Steven_M] | MaikB: yes, there is both tools, the selection tool seems to work, but that copies it as a picture. |
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| 09:48.06 | MaikB | [Steven_M], When the selection is made, a dialog should pop up with two groups of actions: 1. Text 2. Image |
| 09:48.11 | MaikB | at least this is what i see |
| 09:48.15 | pinotree | [Steven_M]: if that tool gives you no option to copy text, then it means your pdf has no text |
| 09:48.59 | MaikB | [Steven_M] , plz try another pdf |
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| 09:51.13 | [Steven_M] | pinotree: oh dear, I'll have a lot of typing to do :( |
| 09:52.47 | MaikB | [Steven_M], shall I find a pdf where I can select text and give you the url |
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| 09:53.10 | MaikB | [Steven_M], you seem to be overwhelmed |
| 09:53.31 | [Steven_M] | MaikB: stand by |
| 09:54.50 | MaikB | [Steven_M], numpy.sourceforge.net/numdoc/numdoc.pdf |
| 09:54.51 | MaikB | wlrms |
| 09:54.55 | MaikB | works for me |
| 09:55.45 | [Steven_M] | MaikB: just tried another pdf and it worked |
| 09:56.52 | [Steven_M] | MaikB: just a shame that the pdf I need doesn't work. :( |
| 09:56.58 | MaikB | so pinotree is right, the area you selected in the original pdf is an image |
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| 09:57.45 | [Steven_M] | MaikB: indeed, never mind |
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| 09:59.20 | [Steven_M] | MaikB: I thought pdf readers had an OCR component |
| 10:00.32 | MaikB | [Steven_M], does the acrobat reader? never hear of this |
| 10:00.53 | MaikB | heard |
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| 10:02.12 | [Steven_M] | I thought that was how selecting text in pdf's worked, clearly not |
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| 10:03.16 | [Steven_M] | MaikB: I thought that was how selecting text in pdf's worked, clearly not |
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| 10:04.59 | MaikB | [Steven_M], nope :) |
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| 10:06.31 | [Steven_M] | MaikB: you must think I'm pretty foolish :) |
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| 10:08.59 | tuxick | aha just had to -HUP klipper |
| 10:09.03 | MaikB | [Steven_M], Actually I don't think there is a need to know such details. |
| 10:09.41 | MaikB | some ppl have to know, but most not |
| 10:11.01 | [Steven_M] | MaikB: well, thanks for your help anyway :) |
| 10:11.08 | MaikB | yw |
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| 10:11.56 | [Steven_M] | pinotree: and thanks for your help too :) |
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| 10:37.39 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 10:38.02 | leszek | hi |
| 10:38.18 | AlexC_ | I'm attempting to add a network printer, however am very confused as to how with KDE. I go to Printer Configuration, then 'New Network Printer' however the 'Forward' button is grayed out |
| 10:38.29 | AlexC_ | under 'Select Connection' I see 'other', and that is it |
| 10:38.42 | leszek | is it possible to disable the "users logged on tty" question in kdm4 when pressing shutdown ? |
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| 10:39.24 | leszek | AlexC_: cups is installed ? |
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| 10:39.35 | AlexC_ | leszek: yep |
| 10:39.55 | d3x | AlexC_, can you (your user) access it? or only root? |
| 10:40.38 | AlexC_ | d3x: access what? |
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| 10:41.59 | d3x | cups |
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| 10:43.58 | ademmer | is KDE SC 4.4.3 in time? |
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| 10:46.05 | Sho_ | ademmer: the current plan is to do the release later tonight |
| 10:46.53 | AlexC_ | Arch must have jumpped the gun again :P Got 4.4.3 updates today |
| 10:47.09 | Sho_ | tsk tsk :) |
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| 10:51.23 | ademmer | Sho_: is there alreay a draft of the changelog or do I really need to read the footlong svn log? :) |
| 10:51.34 | ademmer | is always way too curious |
| 10:52.32 | Sho_ | ademmer: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_4_2to4_4_3.php but that probably contains 10% of the actual changes |
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| 10:53.08 | Sho_ | developers have to add their stuff to the changelog page themselves, and most never do, and the forgetfulness increases with every point release |
| 10:53.25 | ademmer | Sho_: thx! so back to the svn log ;) |
| 10:53.33 | Sho_ | yeah :) |
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| 10:54.08 | ademmer | Sho_: I frequently follow the amarok svn log and rebuild from time to time if there were interesting changes. but the whole kde log is too much to follow |
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| 10:57.02 | Sho_ | ademmer: I like reading a good changelog, too, that's why I keep a very detailled one for Konversation |
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| 11:18.14 | tuxick | device notifier stopped working, where to look for that? |
| 11:19.41 | annma | explain "stopped working" |
| 11:19.46 | annma | after upgrade? |
| 11:20.58 | tuxick | nevermind, it was device failure, hammer fixed it |
| 11:22.06 | annma | !!! |
| 11:23.13 | annma | tuxick: aren't you a Gentoo user? |
| 11:23.33 | tuxick | annma: kubuntu on this box :) |
| 11:23.40 | tuxick | i'm a slut! |
| 11:23.52 | annma | OK |
| 11:24.20 | annma | anyway when you ask questions can you precise things like "WHEN" did it stop working or "for what device" |
| 11:24.30 | annma | you're a pro here now |
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| 11:26.49 | tuxick | well i meant 'what to look for' in the sense 'what's name of process/whatever to look for' |
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| 11:28.34 | jillsmitt | hi everyone |
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| 11:30.40 | jillsmitt | i have a little problem with 4.4.2... i have nvidia drivers installed and "Xorg -configure" was okay but i see my desktop is slow |
| 11:31.19 | jillsmitt | slow switching between windows, resize and more |
| 11:32.10 | jillsmitt | konqueror works very slow, what can i do to fix it? |
| 11:32.37 | Moult | jillsmitt: firstly ensure you are running the latest nvidia-drivers, which is 195.36.24 |
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| 11:33.31 | Moult | jillsmitt: secondly determine whether or not it's a 3D issue - try turning off compositing. If it stops lagging it's a 3D issue. |
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| 11:34.02 | jillsmitt | hmm i have an 195.36.15-2 |
| 11:34.24 | Sho_ | jillsmitt: are you sure you're using the nvidia drivers? |
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| 11:35.05 | Moult | Sho_: that version naming scheme is a nvidia-driver |
| 11:35.20 | Sho_ | Moult: that means he installed it, not that he's using it |
| 11:35.53 | jillsmitt | i just do this to know what version of driver i have http://paste.org/pastebin/view/18098 |
| 11:36.02 | Moult | correct ;) |
| 11:36.32 | Sho_ | jillsmitt: please paste the output of "glxinfo | grep -i nvidia" |
| 11:36.49 | jillsmitt | okay, wait a second |
| 11:37.48 | jillsmitt | Sho_: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/18099 |
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| 11:38.05 | Sho_ | looks like you're using the driver then, yes |
| 11:38.07 | Sho_ | hmhm |
| 11:38.53 | jillsmitt | very fine when i am just moving windows on one desktop |
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| 11:39.24 | jillsmitt | but if i start its resizing... |
| 11:40.43 | Moult | jillsmitt: resizing has always been a problem - i suggest turning off showing content in resizing windows in systemsettings and enabling the resize border desktop effect. |
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| 11:42.58 | jillsmitt | Moult: hmm its 2010.. disable showing content was in 1995 with win95 |
| 11:43.11 | jillsmitt | i dont want in 1995 |
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| 11:43.29 | Moult | jillsmitt: yes. i'm frustrated with graphics drivers. why can't they just work. :( |
| 11:43.33 | jillsmitt | thanks for help =) |
| 11:44.17 | jillsmitt | maybe my distro's kde packages are bad? |
| 11:44.32 | jillsmitt | because i just install it from repository |
| 11:48.18 | Moult | jillsmitt: don't think so |
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| 11:56.22 | MaikB | I added the "Panel Shadow" widget to my desktop. I seems to act as a feature for the panels. Since there is no handle ( is there ), how can I remove it? |
| 11:57.03 | annma | right click -> there's no Remove Panel? |
| 11:57.31 | annma | not sure this Panel Sahdow is from KDE to be frank, it seems a third part contribution |
| 11:57.32 | cb400f | do you actually want to remove it or do you want to hide it temporarily+ |
| 11:57.39 | MaikB | Panel Shadow is no panel on its own |
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| 11:57.58 | annma | what is it then? |
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| 11:58.13 | MaikB | I refer to the "Panel Shadow" plasma feature, not a single panel |
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| 11:58.25 | annma | I don't have it from KDE svn sources |
| 11:58.51 | annma | where did you set it? |
| 11:59.27 | MaikB | pacman -Ql kde-extragear-plasmoids|grep shadow |
| 11:59.27 | MaikB | kde-extragear-plasmoids /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_panelshadows.so |
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| 11:59.38 | MaikB | it is in extra gears |
| 11:59.44 | dcorbin_work | What is Akonadi, and why do I want it running on my system? |
| 12:00.06 | MaikB | I added it via the "Add Widget" dialog |
| 12:00.54 | annma | I don't have it then |
| 12:01.05 | annma | can you ask your distro channel then |
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| 12:01.27 | MaikB | this isn't an official distro package |
| 12:01.29 | annma | there's no extragear/plasmoids in KDE svn as far as I know |
| 12:01.36 | annma | so what is it |
| 12:01.56 | annma | do you have the exact svn URL or the package URL? |
| 12:02.15 | MaikB | annma, http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=21084 |
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| 12:02.37 | MaikB | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KPanel+Shadow+Background?content=25228 |
| 12:02.50 | MaikB | no |
| 12:02.55 | MaikB | the last link must be wrong |
| 12:02.57 | MaikB | wait |
| 12:03.13 | annma | anyway |
| 12:03.19 | annma | this is not KDE shipping |
| 12:03.33 | annma | either you ask the author or your distro if you have a distro package |
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| 12:05.21 | MaikB | annma, let put this in a more general context: before 4.4 it was possible to remove plasmoids via the '-' in the "add plasmoid" dialog. Is there something similar in 4.4 |
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| 12:06.32 | annma | I think you remove them from their Remove menu |
| 12:06.40 | MaikB | annma, I know how to remove this particular widget it by editing textfiles in ~/.kde4, this is not my point. My point is: Did I discover a regression in the plasma configuration dialog or not |
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| 12:07.00 | annma | this plasmoid is not shipped from KDE |
| 12:07.12 | MaikB | annma, Yes, I know |
| 12:07.21 | annma | and the Remove - did not really work |
| 12:07.25 | annma | did it? |
| 12:07.28 | MaikB | I don't have a problem |
| 12:07.41 | MaikB | I wonder if I spotted a weakness |
| 12:07.49 | annma | so why do you say it's a regression |
| 12:07.50 | MaikB | And I'm here to discuss it |
| 12:08.10 | annma | did it work? |
| 12:08.26 | MaikB | Because before it was possible to remove widget from an central place |
| 12:08.36 | MaikB | is there now an central place to remove them? |
| 12:08.37 | annma | was it? |
| 12:08.40 | MaikB | yes |
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| 12:08.48 | annma | did it work? |
| 12:08.53 | cb400f | yeah.. from the old widget explorer you could remove stuff |
| 12:08.53 | MaikB | sure |
| 12:09.14 | neverendingo | MaikB: it might be a design decision |
| 12:09.16 | MaikB | cb400f, "widget explorer", thx for this term |
| 12:09.34 | annma | no I think it did not really work |
| 12:09.36 | MaikB | neverendingo, yes, this is quite possible |
| 12:09.41 | annma | and thus was removed because of it |
| 12:09.47 | annma | look at bug reports about it |
| 12:09.47 | neverendingo | annma: it did, indeed |
| 12:09.57 | MaikB | it always worked for me |
| 12:10.03 | MaikB | however |
| 12:10.09 | annma | for all kind of applets? |
| 12:10.17 | neverendingo | yes |
| 12:10.27 | Moult | I'm curious - of all the nvidia drivers every single one seems to have problems with KDE. I don't know about the ATi side but I doubt they're much better. (I'm talking about the full-blown desktop experience with all effects) What do developers use then? |
| 12:10.35 | MaikB | is it possible for a plasma widget register itself as widget, while not providing any real estate? |
| 12:11.16 | MaikB | If so, there is no way other than editing the configuration files directly. I just wonder if the related devs are aware of this. |
| 12:11.45 | neverendingo | MaikB: try #plasma, the devs hang out there ;) |
| 12:11.53 | MaikB | neverendingo, ok, thx |
| 12:13.20 | annma | remove currently does not work well in KNS for ex neverendingo |
| 12:13.31 | annma | like the comic applet |
| 12:13.56 | neverendingo | annma: can't say much as it was removed |
| 12:14.10 | neverendingo | i remember using it though |
| 12:14.23 | annma | what was removed? 1 applet??? |
| 12:14.35 | annma | I am saying that generally Remove does not work well |
| 12:15.00 | neverendingo | annma: :D no, the widget explorer "-" sign, where you were able to remove a widget centrally |
| 12:15.09 | annma | and for KNS it does not work, as a precise example try removing a Comic provider |
| 12:15.24 | annma | did it work well with all kind of widgets? |
| 12:15.31 | annma | like Python, JS, ..? |
| 12:15.37 | neverendingo | it did, once, yes |
| 12:16.07 | neverendingo | it was just supposed to remove a widget, not data providers |
| 12:16.12 | Moult | .exit |
| 12:16.49 | annma | once is not a general answer |
| 12:17.08 | ||arifaX | belives deactivating caps lock is a pleasure and loves the new experience |
| 12:17.09 | neverendingo | :) just because it is not existant anymore |
| 12:17.54 | neverendingo | annma: you don't remember the old widget explorer? |
| 12:18.12 | neverendingo | with the add and remove buttons? |
| 12:18.20 | annma | I do but I don't remember Remove working so good |
| 12:18.45 | annma | I am just saying that Remove did not remove any widget as far as I know |
| 12:18.55 | neverendingo | never had a problem with that... |
| 12:19.00 | MaikB | If widgets are not supposed to not render a widget, but no error is throw due to technical limitation, it is a bug that has to be fixed by the widget author. Well, if :) |
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| 12:19.43 | annma | neverendingo: YOU never had a problem in YOUR limited testing |
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| 12:19.54 | MaikB | Another possibility is, that we miss the place where it can be done without having to click it widget itself |
| 12:20.01 | neverendingo | annma: possibly :) |
| 12:20.07 | annma | I refer to bug reports I see in mailing lists and general problems |
| 12:20.32 | annma | I am automatically subscribed to any Plasma bug reports and their follow-ups |
| 12:20.42 | neverendingo | then we are back to my first point... design decision :P |
| 12:21.04 | annma | not design but broken |
| 12:21.13 | MaikB | limiting the number of places where things can be done is a good thing |
| 12:21.50 | neverendingo | annma: comes to the same point ;) |
| 12:22.24 | annma | not at all |
| 12:22.42 | MaikB | neverendingo, I think what annma is saying, this feature was planed to be there, but didn't work out. |
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| 12:22.54 | annma | yes |
| 12:22.58 | annma | exactly |
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| 12:23.22 | MaikB | Nice to know that faulty features are removed |
| 12:24.15 | annma | I might be wrong though in my memory of it that's why I told you to look for bug reports about it |
| 12:24.26 | neverendingo | annma: ah ok, sorry |
| 12:24.35 | annma | as I see numerous reports going by |
| 12:24.46 | annma | and I am very interested in Plasma |
| 12:25.29 | neverendingo | well, who not :P |
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| 12:25.39 | MaikB | annma, what is KNS? |
| 12:25.59 | neverendingo | KDE New Stuff |
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| 12:26.19 | AlexC_ | morning, |
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| 12:27.03 | AlexC_ | I'm confused about how encryption via PGP works in Kmail. From what I know, the email needs to be encrypted with the recipients public key - and they decrypt it with their private key. However, where on earth do I select *their* public key? All I can see is how to select mine, which obviously wont work |
| 12:27.35 | alienBOB | AlexC_: you have to import their public key into your keychain first |
| 12:27.56 | AlexC_ | alienBOB: yep, already done - will KMail pick this up when I sees I am sending to someone whos public key I have? |
| 12:28.15 | alienBOB | No idea, I do not use kmail, but I expect it would do as you say |
| 12:28.33 | neverendingo | it does |
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| 12:29.26 | The_ManU_212 | hi |
| 12:29.30 | AlexC_ | a ha, yes it does. It's now working :) |
| 12:29.44 | The_ManU_212 | i ahve the issue mentioned here http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15752 how to solve udner kde4? |
| 12:30.45 | AlexC_ | one issue though - I have set the trust of this key to 'Fully', however KMail is complaining that "The following keys or certificates have unknown trust level:" |
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| 12:34.08 | neverendingo | AlexC_: set it to "absolutely" if you really trust that person |
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| 12:37.27 | AlexC_ | neverendingo: thanks, strange that 'fully' doesn't do it |
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| 12:41.54 | Vladimiroff | hello, is there published yet kde 4.4.3 changelog, cuz there is nothing at kde.org, but it is in arch stable repos already |
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| 12:43.21 | cb400f | that's cuz they're jumping the gun to look cool |
| 12:43.51 | annma | Vladimiroff: not yet, it'll be published on the release day |
| 12:44.08 | alienBOB | Which is today... |
| 12:44.11 | annma | Release Day == on KDE website, not on distro repos |
| 12:44.11 | alienBOB | I hope |
| 12:44.27 | alienBOB | At least that is what the release schedule tells me |
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| 12:44.32 | annma | distros packagers are given tarballs days before the release to test them |
| 12:45.01 | Vladimiroff | annma: ok. I was thinking for somewhere in websvn.kde.org, but didn't found it there. anyway, it is not a problem to wait a little :) |
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| 12:45.09 | alienBOB | I also see that Debian has already published their packages for KDE SC 4.4.3... very inconsiderate of the fact that the sources are not even final |
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| 12:57.47 | Torch | alienBOB: well, you see... debian loves to be bleeding edge. everyone knows that. |
| 12:58.37 | annma | lol |
| 12:58.40 | annma | tssss |
| 12:58.45 | annma | don't be mean |
| 12:58.54 | pinotree | alienBOB: considering debian has lots of transitions current and the current window available for kde is that, there was no other choice |
| 13:00.36 | alienBOB | They could have waited for another window _after_ the official KDE release, right? |
| 13:00.42 | pinotree | nope |
| 13:01.02 | pinotree | they were already waiting for more than 2 months |
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| 13:01.17 | alienBOB | They could have added 4.4.2 then |
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| 13:01.37 | alienBOB | Nevermind |
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| 13:02.17 | pinotree | "they could" easy to speak when you are not aware of the various issues in the process, right? |
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| 13:28.37 | delight | is it possible to set an event sound to tell you that a copy/move process finished ? .. there is events for basicly everything but this .. @ least i could not find any |
| 13:32.27 | Sho_ | delight: I don't think so ⦠sounds like a great suggestion though, you should file it |
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| 13:35.17 | delight | Sho_: yes would be nice if it would be configurable ... for me i would set an short quit unintrusive sound signal ... even thou you could argue its clear by looking into the tray |
| 13:35.42 | delight | I will file it :) maybe others like the idea too |
| 13:36.31 | Sho_ | delight: I like it |
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| 13:44.30 | _abc_ | What is the expected name of email filenames for kmail and kmailcvt? The suffix? |
| 13:44.33 | _abc_ | I tried .rfc822 but it's not that. |
| 13:46.53 | pinotree | eml? |
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| 13:50.32 | delight | Sho_: hope this is understandable https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=236327 |
| 13:52.15 | Sho_ | delight: yep ⦠I moved it to kio:uiserver, which I think is the correct product and component |
| 13:52.41 | delight | Sho_: well i didn't know better ;) thanks :) |
| 13:53.02 | Sho_ | delight: sure, np |
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| 14:17.28 | csgeek | so.. this keeps happening every once in a while...and I was wondering if anyone knew how to recover from it. My entire kde environment is working fine...except the run dialog |
| 14:18.07 | csgeek | I can start apps via konsole, or start apps from the start menu...but I can't get the run prompt to appear. If I log back in.. everything is fine. |
| 14:19.15 | neverendingo | csgeek: can you maybe give a bit more detail? (kde version etd) and could it be you are also using gtk apps? |
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| 14:20.25 | csgeek | Lucid, kde 4.4.2 |
| 14:20.52 | csgeek | definitely using gtk apps as well.. well.. firefox that's gtk 1.x iirc |
| 14:20.59 | csgeek | and pidgin |
| 14:20.59 | helo | (running lucid) clicking on rhythmbox icon on the panel task area doesn't hide/show it |
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| 14:21.34 | neverendingo | csgeek: did you try to run F2 without any gtk app being active? |
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| 14:21.54 | csgeek | I can quiet all my gtk apps sure... |
| 14:21.59 | csgeek | I'd be suprised if that fixes anything |
| 14:22.18 | csgeek | nope |
| 14:22.36 | csgeek | I have it mapped to meta+space even if I right click on the desktop and select Run it doesn't do anything |
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| 14:22.48 | Torch | csgeek: is the krunner process still running? |
| 14:23.12 | csgeek | it is... |
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| 14:24.08 | csgeek | at least I think it is |
| 14:24.10 | csgeek | http://pastie.org/945192 |
| 14:26.11 | csgeek | well.. killing krunner and restarting it fixes that |
| 14:26.17 | csgeek | funky |
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| 14:26.48 | umeboshi | hi guys, I'm using debian/sid and I've just upgraded to kde 4.4.3 |
| 14:27.14 | umeboshi | I've noticed that when you drag a window to the edge of the screen, it seems to maximize now |
| 14:27.36 | umeboshi | I looked in the "system settings" shell for a config option for this, but couldn't find one |
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| 14:28.24 | Sho_ | umeboshi: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen Edges -> middle group box |
| 14:28.43 | umeboshi | thanks, I was looking in window behaviour |
| 14:29.21 | umeboshi | cool, I got it now, thanks a lot :) |
| 14:29.33 | Sho_ | np |
| 14:29.54 | umeboshi | how "stable" is the new kaffeine player? |
| 14:30.16 | umeboshi | I've been using kaffeine very regularly since kde3, but I just got a new kde4 version |
| 14:30.28 | Sho_ | uses smplayer and dragon |
| 14:30.36 | umeboshi | I can't get it to handle streams yet |
| 14:30.48 | umeboshi | I may start using another player myself |
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| 14:31.12 | umeboshi | I tried out dragon when I first upgraded to kde4, and it was ok, haven't looked at smplayer yet |
| 14:31.17 | Sho_ | i never liked the kaffeine ui |
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| 14:31.53 | umeboshi | I never cared too much for it either, but managed to get used to it for many years |
| 14:32.27 | umeboshi | I'm going to take a look at smplayer, thanks for mentioning it :) |
| 14:35.01 | umeboshi | it seems "configure kaffeine" has only two options |
| 14:35.33 | Sho_ | well their current version is a "pre3" |
| 14:35.35 | umeboshi | I just started smplayer, and it seems to be ok |
| 14:35.46 | umeboshi | Sho_: lol, it's very "pre" :) |
| 14:36.35 | wajasu | i get leftover windows showing the desktop background in the outlined shape of the system notification windows. could that be an xwindow config issue? or kde4.4.2? |
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| 14:37.19 | umeboshi | wajasu: I get those too, and have been for a while, still haven't figured it out |
| 14:37.32 | umeboshi | wajasu: I also have "desktop effects" turned off |
| 14:38.06 | Sho_ | graphics driver bug, probably |
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| 14:39.33 | umeboshi | Sho_: I was thinking it was a bug somewhere in between plasma and kwin |
| 14:39.49 | wajasu | i've had it for a couple of months, and have desktop effects off as well. i have an nvidia 275 card. 2048x1152 screen. |
| 14:39.58 | umeboshi | it's like plasma will overlay a part of a window, but that part of the window is not redrawn when re-exposed |
| 14:40.38 | umeboshi | I've gotten used the the problem and it doesn't bother me much anymore |
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| 14:41.27 | umeboshi | anyway, I need to get back to work |
| 14:41.34 | umeboshi | I really appreciate the help :) |
| 14:41.41 | umeboshi | y'all have a good day today :) |
| 14:41.48 | wajasu | it doesn't bother me. i might try switching to the nouveau nvidia open source driver to see if its a driver issue. |
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| 14:45.39 | wajasu | i can't get the probelm to happen with desktop effect on. maybe event processing is different in kde. OR because the desktop effects use opebgl for compositing, the driver is not hitting any possible driver bug. |
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| 14:47.42 | alibaba | Hello, can somebody, please, help me with KDE 3.5 ? I had automatic login as one user working, but when i added another user I allowed to disable this feature. Meanwhile I removed the other user, but I cannot get automatic login working again. Can somebody, please, help? |
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| 15:12.41 | alibaba | Hi, I was disconnected. My KDE 3.5 autologin does not work any more. Can somebody, please, help? |
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| 15:18.25 | alibaba | This happened when I added another user. I accidently allowed to disable autologin, and not I cannot re-enable it again. |
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| 15:33.20 | gawen | Hi! Does anyone know how I can clear the wallpaper list on KDE 4.4.3 ? I've added many and now I'd like reset it to default |
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| 15:47.07 | Simkin | hey guys |
| 15:47.13 | Simkin | i can't find the file size view in konqueror |
| 15:47.18 | Simkin | was this feature removed? |
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| 15:49.31 | GrueMaster | Simkin: Try detailed view. Also, check to make sure the size column is active in detailed view. |
| 15:50.36 | Simkin | i'm in detailed view |
| 15:50.41 | Simkin | but i still don't have the file size view tool |
| 15:50.45 | Simkin | do you know which tool i mean? |
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| 15:52.04 | GrueMaster | I guess not. I have a column with file sizes listed. If I need individual info on a file, I right click and select properties. |
| 15:52.16 | Simkin | the file size view scans the entire drive/directory |
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| 15:52.36 | Simkin | and then shows the files/directories in a graphically representative way of their size |
| 15:52.40 | Simkin | so bigger files take up more of the screen |
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| 15:53.03 | pawan_tejwani | hey , can Anybody tell me how to update java version in fedora, I mean whats the command to update java, |
| 15:53.14 | GrueMaster | Interesting. I don't think I have ever used that. And I have been using KDE for a long time. |
| 15:53.16 | pawan_tejwani | I type 'yum update java' it says no packages selected |
| 15:53.33 | pinotree | pawan_tejwani: ask in #fedora please |
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| 16:06.16 | agriggio | hello all |
| 16:06.23 | agriggio | a question for kde 4 experts |
| 16:06.36 | agriggio | is it possible to use a SOCKS proxy with kmail and knode? |
| 16:09.15 | agriggio | nobody knows? |
| 16:09.34 | Simkin | no idea agriggio |
| 16:09.40 | Simkin | i haven't used a socks proxy since win 3.1 |
| 16:10.16 | agriggio | should I try asking to #kde-devel ? |
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| 16:13.15 | Simkin | i think googling woud be be the better option |
| 16:13.25 | agriggio | tried already |
| 16:13.28 | agriggio | found nothing |
| 16:13.31 | Simkin | agriggio: why do you need to use a socks proxy? |
| 16:13.41 | agriggio | because I'm behind a firewall |
| 16:13.46 | Simkin | agriggio: if you change the networking otpions for kde in general, it may affect kamil and knode. |
| 16:13.52 | agriggio | well |
| 16:14.06 | agriggio | but I couldn't find an option for setting the SOCKS proxy |
| 16:14.07 | Simkin | so "K" menu |
| 16:14.10 | Simkin | system settings. |
| 16:14.11 | agriggio | it was in kde3 |
| 16:14.13 | Simkin | first thing is proxy |
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| 16:14.17 | agriggio | but it's gone (apparently) in kde4 |
| 16:14.44 | VectorX | hi is there an gui application that i can use to compress to zip or rar and offers functions like multi volume ? |
| 16:14.56 | shadeslayer | VectorX: what about ark ? |
| 16:15.01 | Simkin | never heard of multi volume VectorX |
| 16:15.10 | Simkin | but konqueror/dolphin have archival features built right in. |
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| 16:15.40 | VectorX | multi volume is where you split a archive into smaller files |
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| 16:15.50 | Simkin | oh, to split it up |
| 16:15.51 | Simkin | hrm |
| 16:15.54 | VectorX | yeah |
| 16:15.57 | VectorX | does ark do that ? |
| 16:16.02 | shadeslayer | VectorX: yeah ark can do that i think |
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| 16:16.41 | Simkin | VectorX: may i ask, why do you want to do this? |
| 16:17.03 | Simkin | VectorX: i haven't wanted to do that since i left floppies behind many years ago. |
| 16:18.23 | VectorX | so that i can create smaller files of some db's where you dont have to download a whole file |
| 16:18.29 | VectorX | and it ends up corrupt |
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| 16:21.42 | Simkin | VectorX: you shouldn't get corruption because of large files. |
| 16:22.17 | Simkin | VectorX: care to tell me more about the problem? I think we could find a better solution. |
| 16:22.41 | Chriss0110 | VectorX: never tested that but you could try split and cat to split up archives |
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| 16:29.23 | EvaLuaTe | hello world |
| 16:30.51 | EvaLuaTe | I'm using kmail (Version 1.13.2) on ubuntu 10.04 and find this the best maiclient I have used so far, but I have a slight problem with it (or maybe it's just that I don't know how to do it). |
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| 16:31.56 | GNU\colossus | what's the problem? |
| 16:33.08 | EvaLuaTe | I want to use kmail to manage multiple E-Mail accounts, but no matter what account I want to reply for (I'm in the second account in the list for example) it still uses the default sending identity (which I consider pretty dumb...). Isn't there any possibility to assign a sending identity to each IMAP account? I would find it pretty slow to select 'Message -> Send mail via -> [other_account]' for |
| 16:33.13 | EvaLuaTe | each message I'm sending |
| 16:34.17 | cb400f | you can set the default identitify per folder |
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| 16:34.32 | EvaLuaTe | cb400f: how would I do that please? |
| 16:34.44 | cb400f | right click folder -> properties |
| 16:34.48 | VectorX | Chriss0110 yeah thats the method i have found thus far too |
| 16:34.58 | EvaLuaTe | ok, let's see :) |
| 16:35.04 | cb400f | of course that assumes you don't have the same inbox folder for all accounts |
| 16:35.31 | VectorX | ok so I opened kate typed some stuff and trying to save in /var/www but i dont have permission can i escalate the existing kate session to root ? |
| 16:35.38 | VectorX | su i mean |
| 16:36.21 | cb400f | prolly not.. but you can copy/paste to a kate running with proper permissions :-) |
| 16:36.22 | alisonken1home | not really - but you can save it in your home directory and open a term + su to move it |
| 16:36.33 | alisonken1home | or do what cb400f suggests :) |
| 16:36.43 | VectorX | how how could i create a new kate as su, when i try from the cli i get Kate: cannot connect to X server |
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| 16:37.06 | VectorX | alisonken1home i guess that would work too |
| 16:37.11 | cb400f | 'kdesu kate' |
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| 16:37.57 | VectorX | cb400f same result, No protocol specified Kate: cannot connect to X server |
| 16:38.30 | EvaLuaTe | cb400f: if I set a sending identity to a folder that has mutiple subfolders, will that identity apply to all the subfolders too? |
| 16:38.46 | cb400f | don't remember.. try and see :-) |
| 16:38.51 | EvaLuaTe | cb400f: ok |
| 16:38.59 | VectorX | ok just copied it |
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| 16:44.04 | EvaLuaTe | cb400f: ok, setting a identity to a folder seems to work, thank you. I've got one more question though. Is it possible to 'deactivate' local folders and use the server folders instead? When I send a message for example, it gets stored in the local folder outbox, I would like it to be saved on the server folder .Sent though, is this possible? |
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| 16:44.36 | GNU\colossus | EvaLuaTe: it is. you cannot get rid of the "local" folder completely though |
| 16:45.33 | EvaLuaTe | GNU\colossus: ok, that's no problem, I don't mind it being there as long as my messages get stored on the server. Could you please tell me how I would go about doing this? |
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| 16:50.36 | pj_b | Hi, I'd like that clicking on a minimized window would never minimize it. The current behavior for me is to toggle minimzed, and I would like it to just turn it off. Can anyone please tell me how to do that? |
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| 17:01.14 | EvaLuaTe | GNU\colossus: ? :) |
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| 17:16.59 | VectorX | sorry for sounding vague but whats the package manager that is not official and you arnt supposed to use which has a lot of software ? |
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| 17:19.06 | avenir | VectorX: package managers don't provide software. repositories do, which you can use with any package manager. |
| 17:19.34 | VectorX | yeah it was something that you install, then sort of has a list of software you can install |
| 17:19.40 | avenir | VectorX: and repositories are distribution-specific. |
| 17:19.46 | avenir | VectorX: what's your distribution |
| 17:19.52 | VectorX | debian |
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| 17:21.50 | avenir | VectorX: do you have synaptic installed? |
| 17:22.29 | VectorX | yeah this was like an unofficial thing |
| 17:22.34 | VectorX | i forget the name |
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| 17:24.07 | avenir | i don't use debian, but i'm sure that you can add repositories in synaptic. you just need to find a list of repositories that provide extra software (ask on #debian or something). it doesn't matter if you use 'official' synaptic or any other package manager. |
| 17:24.30 | VectorX | avenir what do you use |
| 17:24.37 | avenir | openSUSE |
| 17:24.57 | VectorX | ah a solid distro |
| 17:26.06 | QwertyM | wasn't it /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 17:34.13 | VectorX | ok got it, Ultamatix |
| 17:35.25 | avenir | i wonder if kde 4.4.3 is ready |
| 17:35.57 | d3x | avenir, it's tagged |
| 17:36.13 | d3x | and already in debian (sid) and arch at least |
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| 17:37.19 | avenir | d3x: what does 'tagged' mean? |
| 17:38.09 | d3x | the code in svn/git is marked as 4.4.3 and no further changes should be made to it (unless someone finds an outstanding bug i guess) |
| 17:38.20 | avenir | thank you |
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| 17:38.24 | d3x | (like syntax error or something) |
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| 17:44.08 | Captain_Haddock | Hi, is there a reliable samba front-end in KDE 4.4? |
| 17:44.47 | thiago | just type in dolphin: smb:/ |
| 17:45.04 | Captain_Haddock | thiago: sorry, I mean a front-end to configure it. |
| 17:45.40 | thiago | ah, not that I know of |
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| 17:53.36 | karsten | KDE3 question: pop-up dialogs, focus. Set to "Focus Under Mouse" and "Focus stealing prevention level" = "Low". Pop-up dialogs (confirmations, search, etc.) do *NOT* get focus. I'd prefer they did. Any settings to change this? |
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| 18:30.18 | sh4g0 | help, how i can back to default setting of my KDE |
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| 18:31.26 | sh4g0 | help, how i can back to default setting of my KDE |
| 18:32.52 | QwertyM | the dirtiest way would be to move your .kde (or .kde4) directory to a different name and logoff/log back on |
| 18:33.03 | QwertyM | but why are you looking to do this? has something gone wrong? |
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| 18:33.34 | QwertyM | its always a pain to configure all KDE applications back to your preferences again :\ |
| 18:34.03 | StrikerTTD | But it is so fun |
| 18:34.29 | tuxick | you shouldn't have to reconfigure all |
| 18:34.37 | asraniel | hi there. i was just wondering. is there any known bug with kde and nvidia gpu drivers that can cause lag? for me, everything is lagging. activating a window, min/maximizing them, taking focus. sometimes scrolling in applications (like konqueror, but others too). just wondering if i can do anything about that |
| 18:34.56 | tuxick | asraniel: yup, it's an nvidia feature |
| 18:35.09 | tuxick | you could write them an angry mail |
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| 18:35.22 | tuxick | kde4 tries to get most out of video |
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| 18:35.30 | tuxick | and that doesn't work out too well with nvidia :( |
| 18:35.45 | tuxick | make sure you get the latestest driver |
| 18:36.08 | tuxick | and of course have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:39.07 | tuxick | heh |
| 18:40.17 | Flutiju` | Hi dudes, can I import a personnal certificate in Konqueror ? |
| 18:40.41 | tuxick | probably |
| 18:40.49 | asraniel | tuxick: ok.. lets hope the nouveau driver will be better.. |
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| 18:40.50 | Flutiju` | How ? ^^ |
| 18:41.05 | tuxick | asraniel: that has crap/no 3D support, no? |
| 18:41.16 | asraniel | tuxick: hey, one has to have hopes ;) |
| 18:41.25 | tuxick | the best solution would be closing USPA |
| 18:41.30 | tuxick | burn the place down |
| 18:41.37 | tuxick | and make some SANE people start over |
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| 18:42.17 | TACPILOT | hello |
| 18:42.17 | d3x | asraniel, try disabling some effects |
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| 18:42.56 | d3x | asraniel, and playing with compositing settings (opengl vs xrender, 2- vs 3-line scaling etc) |
| 18:43.10 | tuxick | d3x: it's the 2D bit that sucks |
| 18:43.16 | tuxick | 3D works rather well |
| 18:43.26 | asraniel | d3x: didn't think of that. lets try that.but yeah, i doubt it will make such a big difference |
| 18:43.43 | tuxick | if you find a magic permutation please let me know :) |
| 18:43.52 | asraniel | sure :) |
| 18:43.56 | d3x | nvidia works ok for me ;) |
| 18:44.03 | asraniel | currently i can watch my openoffice window redraw when it comes up.. |
| 18:44.18 | tuxick | did you eselect opengl set nvidia? |
| 18:44.26 | tuxick | or at least first eselect opengl list |
| 18:44.27 | d3x | oh, in konsole tab-switching is damn slow on one of my machines (gf8300) |
| 18:44.37 | tuxick | d3x: yes, that's one of the symptons |
| 18:44.48 | d3x | but apart from that everything works fine |
| 18:45.14 | tuxick | on my ati box i have the reverse |
| 18:45.20 | tuxick | slower 3D but good 2D |
| 18:45.37 | d3x | and, btw, kde people should not blame everything on nvidia when in other DEs/programs everything works great, but not in kde... |
| 18:46.00 | tuxick | i tend to agree |
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| 18:46.56 | asraniel | by the way, is there a way to remove smooth scrooling? i think that would already help a little.. |
| 18:48.05 | d3x | there is... don't remember where, tough ;) |
| 18:49.09 | asraniel | interesting. simple changin focus between 2 foreground windows makes the fps drop to 10 for like a second |
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| 18:50.32 | jimmy51_ | what's a good visual way to see the physical drives and their partitions in linux with KDE? |
| 18:50.35 | jimmy51_ | (similar to diskmgmt.msc in Windows) |
| 18:50.57 | d3x | asraniel, btw, what gfx card? |
| 18:51.12 | Captain_Haddock | jimmy51_: there's kde-partitionmanager |
| 18:51.17 | Captain_Haddock | or something like that. |
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| 18:51.57 | asraniel | d3x: nvidia quadro nvs 140m |
| 18:52.00 | d3x | Jinko, 'similar to * in windows' doesn't mean much to me ;) |
| 18:52.05 | jimmy51_ | Captain_Haddock: hmm.... command not found. |
| 18:52.15 | Captain_Haddock | jimmy51_: might just be partitionmanager |
| 18:52.19 | Captain_Haddock | you will need to install it |
| 18:52.29 | jimmy51_ | ah, ok. |
| 18:52.41 | jimmy51_ | is that intentionally not a default app? |
| 18:53.04 | Captain_Haddock | jimmy51_: it's a partition manager. So, yes. |
| 18:53.06 | Captain_Haddock | probably |
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| 18:54.22 | jimmy51_ | Captain_Haddock: because people could mess stuff up quick? |
| 18:56.12 | Captain_Haddock | jimmy51_: it's seldom necessary post-installation. |
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| 19:43.59 | grnmtn | is there any way way to hide the klipper icon in the system tray? |
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| 19:47.28 | avenir | grnmtn: which kde? |
| 19:47.39 | grnmtn | kde4 |
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| 19:48.41 | avenir | right-click on system tray (not on one of the icons that are inside it), choose system tray settings, auto hide, set klipper to hidden |
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| 19:49.11 | grnmtn | great, thanks! |
| 19:49.32 | avenir | yw |
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| 20:01.28 | delight | Simkin: about your question like 4 hours ago :-D ... lol ... i think you where looking for filelight ... try installing it and you get back what you want ... don't expect it to be insight dolphin ... that was only possible in konqueror with a kpart view (at least as far as i know) |
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| 20:14.58 | jthomas_sb | filelight is awesome |
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| 20:19.19 | Ronis_BR | shouldn't kde 4.4.3 be released today? |
| 20:19.45 | avenir | i'µ waiting for it too |
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| 20:21.12 | jthomas_sb | its in Debian Sid (Unstable), but I've not heard anything more aobut it |
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| 20:26.55 | pj_b | Hi, I'd like that clicking on a minimized window would never minimize it. The current behavior for me is to toggle minimzed, and I would like it to just turn it off. Can anyone please tell me how to do that? |
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| 20:29.09 | sreich | pj_b: I don't understand your question/problem |
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| 20:30.19 | pj_b | I'd like it if clicking on a app in the task manager never minimized it. |
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| 20:34.05 | sreich | what do you want it to do? |
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| 20:34.33 | pj_b | Only raise it if it was minimized |
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| 20:49.36 | Simkin | delight: thanks, i'll look for filelight |
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| 20:57.08 | Simkin | delight: filielight is ok, file size view was way better |
| 20:57.27 | Simkin | but this will do |
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| 20:59.22 | jthomas_sb | pj_b I also don't understand. How would it ever be minimized if you remove the button? |
| 21:00.15 | jthomas_sb | pj_b you can right-click on a window, select Advanced >Special Application Settings, and in there you can prevent a window from having the minimize button, you can define a desktop, you can make it borderless... |
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| 21:00.29 | avenir | jthomas_sb: he's not talking about removing button |
| 21:00.38 | sreich | yeah, what avenir said |
| 21:00.39 | avenir | jthomas_sb: he's talking about the task panel |
| 21:00.52 | sreich | s/task panel/task widget/ |
| 21:01.15 | jthomas_sb | ah so clicking there wouldn't minimize, only bring to the front? |
| 21:01.48 | avenir | yep |
| 21:02.02 | sreich | no, it does both.. |
| 21:02.30 | jthomas_sb | currently does both, but pj_b seems to only want it to bring to front |
| 21:02.36 | sreich | right |
| 21:02.57 | sreich | which I still don't see the point in.. |
| 21:03.02 | sreich | just don't click it twice. problem solved. |
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| 21:04.16 | avenir | ((-: |
| 21:04.41 | jthomas_sb | So in the right-click window title bar > Advanced > Special Window/App settings > Preferences, what is that right-most checkbox for? For example, there, if I set "Keep Above" and I turn it on with the left-most checkbox, and then select (say) "Force", what is the right-most checkbox for? |
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| 21:05.03 | WallyM | I am using gentoo and want to know how to auto login, tried to kdesu klcontrol but fail to load it any ideas? |
| 21:05.16 | jthomas_sb | kdesudo systemsettings |
| 21:05.25 | jthomas_sb | or kdesu systemsettings |
| 21:06.10 | WallyM | That does nothing for me |
| 21:06.30 | jthomas_sb | kde 4? |
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| 21:06.54 | WallyM | jthomas_sb, yeah 4.3.5 |
| 21:07.53 | WallyM | jthomas_sb, ty its working |
| 21:08.08 | WallyM | had to do as user not root |
| 21:08.24 | jthomas_sb | yes, that is what kdesu does, makes your user have root privs |
| 21:08.37 | WallyM | cool ty |
| 21:09.48 | delight | is there a bug about dolphin not beeing able to access or @least rename files with wrong encoded characters ? |
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| 21:10.14 | jthomas_sb | " @least " wow. |
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| 21:10.39 | delight | was working fine in kde3.x ... since kde4 filemanagers ain't able to access those files any longer |
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| 21:11.04 | jthomas_sb | not sure; can you access/rename them from a commandline? from Konqueror? |
| 21:11.18 | delight | jthomas_sb: i can rename from command line |
| 21:12.31 | jthomas_sb | when you right-click > rename what happens? |
| 21:13.25 | delight | i think konqueror is not possible either (i can double check) ... i used nautilus as a work around (not having it installed any longer) it was showing the filename and adding something like "(invalid character encoding)" to the filenames end ... <<< it allows you to rename |
| 21:14.13 | delight | hang on ... i'll take my laptop to that compi with that "damaged" files |
| 21:16.36 | pj_b | Well thanks, I'll look into it. As to why I want that behaviour, I like having multiple konsole/konqueror windows to group tabs, but somethimes I get confused between them. |
| 21:16.40 | delight | jthomas_sb: well it starts as usual same as F2 ;) <<< lol ... and then an error message appears saying that the file "filanme<?>bla" is not existing. |
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| 21:17.44 | alienBOB | Here in NL the 4th of may is nearing its end. Will we see KDE SC 4.4.3 today, europe time? |
| 21:18.06 | delight | so the point is ... i can allways rename the file on shell but dolphin should be able too ... even thou i got to admit files are from some samba share before utf8 ... |
| 21:18.26 | roerich | alienBOB: eh debian had kde 4.4.3 packages yesterday? |
| 21:18.50 | alienBOB | So?// |
| 21:18.51 | jthomas_sb | delight i am not sure; if you can provide a file and report a bug about it that would be best I am sure. |
| 21:19.06 | jthomas_sb | So in the right-click window title bar > Advanced > Special Window/App settings > Preferences, what is that right-most checkbox for? For example, there, if I set "Keep Above" and I turn it on with the left-most checkbox, and then select (say) "Force", what is the right-most checkbox for? |
| 21:19.17 | alienBOB | Debian cheated, and released even though the sources should only be available to distro packagers. Not to be released ahead of time |
| 21:19.18 | delight | roerich: yes its there ... but its not officially announced http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4.3.php |
| 21:19.42 | jthomas_sb | alienBOB souldn't sources be available to everyone? |
| 21:20.05 | delight | jthomas_sb: well i could try to zip one ... maybe that will work ... i'll try to preserve one of them |
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| 21:20.22 | alienBOB | Only as of today jthomas_sb - distro packagers get early access so they can build binary packages and release those at the same time KDE releases the source officially |
| 21:20.24 | jthomas_sb | yeah that is a good idea. make sure it doesn't have sensitive data |
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| 21:20.29 | roerich | nm I use it with archlinux on my laptop so let's wait another pacman update |
| 21:20.59 | delight | jthomas_sb: btw konqueror shows the same behaviour |
| 21:21.15 | jthomas_sb | odd delight, i've never had that issue. |
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| 21:22.30 | delight | well then you never had a file with invalid characters |
| 21:23.40 | delight | i have seen this problem in all versions since 4.0 ... usually you don't have files with invalid encoding .. as i mentioned ... its from a system pre-utf8 erra ... where on the samba share there where files with special chars like é or ö or so |
| 21:24.18 | delight | the console cp copies them ... mv is possible too ... but no access on dolphin .. i guess its some kio thingy |
| 21:25.32 | delight | jthomas_sb: hehe ... tar cvfz simply removes the invalid character ... lol ... trying to find a way to preserve that thing |
| 21:25.53 | jthomas_sb | delight how about tarring up a folder ? |
| 21:26.14 | jthomas_sb | or just gzip the file, no tar? |
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| 21:27.00 | delight | jthomas_sb: rar worked |
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| 21:27.31 | jthomas_sb | eeew |
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| 21:27.53 | delight | well its an Beyoncé interlude ... so its not legal to post that file :-/ |
| 21:28.15 | delight | you can tell about the é |
| 21:28.16 | delight | :-D |
| 21:28.28 | jthomas_sb | yes i would say not. can you create a file on that samba share, move it over to you, and see what happens? |
| 21:29.02 | Kurosuke | Using 4.4.2, I can't get any keyboard shortcuts to work. Anyone else had this problem? |
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| 21:29.47 | delight | jthomas_sb: i would need an old box with pre utf-8 ... i moved them all to utf-8 ... let me see if i can to something about it ... i got an idea |
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| 21:30.47 | delight | nice a simple touch worked ;) on console ... so i can rar that now and attach it to a bug ... its a new 0 byte file |
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| 21:31.11 | jthomas_sb | but isn't it utf8 now? |
| 21:31.42 | jthomas_sb | if you created a new file, i would think so |
| 21:31.43 | delight | jthomas_sb: darn ... it just looked like it ... but its a file that was al right |
| 21:32.09 | delight | lol ... i got some more ideas lets see if something works ;) |
| 21:32.32 | jthomas_sb | is there maybe a folder with naming issues, that you could remove all of the contents, rar that up, and submit that? folders should be safe for legal reasons |
| 21:32.48 | jthomas_sb | i gotta go, but back tomorrow and I'd like to hear your solution! |
| 21:33.22 | delight | darn i tryed audacity ;) but it would not open the file |
| 21:33.47 | delight | maybe you like the rar file send ... on irc for the momment ... and i'll try to fix that |
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| 21:49.26 | sh4g0 | help, why kde can't load my HD partitions? |
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| 21:50.35 | thiago_home | sh4g0: why should KDE do that? |
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| 21:50.38 | thiago_home | it's a system job |
| 21:50.53 | sh4g0 | ..?¡ |
| 21:51.08 | thiago_home | mounting filesystems is a task for the system |
| 21:51.11 | sh4g0 | on "dolphin" |
| 21:51.15 | thiago_home | KDE simply sees that they are mounted and uses them |
| 21:51.47 | sh4g0 | ok.. so how i can mount my partitions |
| 21:52.01 | pinotree | which kde version? |
| 21:52.19 | sh4g0 | how i can see my kde version? |
| 21:52.39 | pinotree | help â about kde in almost any kde application |
| 21:53.05 | delight | so i got an file with invalid char attached to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=236380 ... description how to reproduce included ... if someone likes to have a look @ it |
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| 21:54.20 | delight | i think its some kio-filehandler problem ... but i can't tell what component exactly ... so i left it as kde general |
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| 21:55.51 | thiago_home | delight: an invalid char in the file name, or in the file contents? |
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| 21:56.30 | delight | thiago_home: well its a rar ... "invalidchar.rar" that has a zero length file that you can use to reproduce the error |
| 21:56.38 | delight | its the file name thou |
| 21:56.46 | thiago_home | invalid chars in file names are considered filesystem corruption |
| 21:56.48 | thiago_home | they are not supported |
| 21:56.51 | delight | the file i have put into the rar is 0Byte ;) |
| 21:56.52 | thiago_home | fix the filename |
| 21:57.12 | pinotree | delight: please don't use non-free formats like rar |
| 21:57.35 | sreich | +1 |
| 21:57.35 | delight | pinotree: i tryed tar.gz ... but it would simply remove the invalid character |
| 21:57.42 | delight | thats what i tryed first |
| 21:58.00 | sreich | because it was smart :) |
| 21:58.14 | thiago_home | delight: your bug is now resolved, as WONTFIX |
| 21:58.17 | thiago_home | it's not a bug |
| 21:58.26 | delight | + i know its not right to have invalid chars ... + i simply rename files on console ... but i think dolphin should be able to handle such files .. like konqueror in 3.x was able to ... and nautilus is able to |
| 21:58.47 | delight | sreich: funny ;) |
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| 21:59.02 | thiago_home | right, but dolphin can't fsck |
| 21:59.05 | delight | thiago_home: it not a feature either |
| 21:59.14 | thiago_home | so fixing filesystem corruption is not a feature of the file manager |
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| 21:59.21 | delight | thiago_home: you don't need fsck .. you simply to a mv on console |
| 21:59.27 | delight | or rename with nautilus |
| 21:59.34 | thiago_home | right |
| 21:59.44 | thiago_home | but the point is that there are features outside the scope of a filemanager |
| 21:59.49 | thiago_home | filesystem corruption fixing is one of them |
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| 21:59.55 | delight | thiago_home: but dolphin should be able to handle that + fsck does not work here |
| 21:59.59 | thiago_home | I classify invalid-encoded filenames as filesystem corruption |
| 22:00.12 | thiago_home | therefore, I decided that it's not a feature we want in dolphin |
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| 22:00.44 | thiago_home | what's more, it would be extremely hard and painful to get this working in dolphin, for very little benefit and a huge chance of regression. |
| 22:00.48 | thiago_home | so please use mv |
| 22:00.53 | sreich | fsck not working seems like a major system issue in and of itself... |
| 22:01.04 | thiago_home | sreich: you're missing the point |
| 22:01.16 | sh4g0 | one more cuestion, how i can do to my kde don't show in all desktop my windows?¡ |
| 22:01.34 | sreich | thiago_home: no, I got the point. I was addressing a different one. |
| 22:01.51 | thiago_home | sreich: you're addressing a non-issue. |
| 22:01.57 | delight | thiago_home: of course i do mv whenever i find such a file ... files are from a box pre utf-8 time ... offering an samba share ... files with wrong special chars turned into such invalid chared files |
| 22:02.05 | sreich | thiago_home: right |
| 22:02.35 | thiago_home | delight: the point is that it's extremely hard to do that |
| 22:02.38 | sreich | at least a non-issue in terms of this issue.. |
| 22:02.43 | thiago_home | how do you represent a char that can't be represented? |
| 22:02.50 | delight | thiago_home: got it |
| 22:02.52 | sreich | but certainly an issue if his filesystem gets corrupted :) |
| 22:03.02 | thiago_home | sreich: you're still missing the point. |
| 22:03.20 | delight | thiago_home: well its represented by dolphin right now ... its simply inaccessible |
| 22:03.33 | thiago_home | KDE classifies invalid-encoded file names as filesystem corruption. That's why dolphin doesn't handle them. |
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| 22:03.51 | delight | so in dolphin it says something like "filename (invalid encoding)" |
| 22:03.54 | thiago_home | but from the fs layer's perspective, any arbitrary 8-bit data short of slashes and NULs is valid filenames. |
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| 22:04.28 | sreich | thiago_home: no, I'm not missing the point..as I have said.. |
| 22:04.30 | delight | so in nautilus it says something like "filename (invalid encoding)" |
| 22:04.38 | delight | thats what i ment to say |
| 22:04.53 | delight | point is it lets you access it fine .. rename, delete, copy, move |
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| 22:05.15 | thiago_home | delight: and my point is that it's very hard to let you rename, copy, delete, move such a file |
| 22:05.22 | thiago_home | because it contains a character that cannot be represented |
| 22:05.34 | thiago_home | what happens if there are two files with two different characters that can't be represented in the same position? |
| 22:05.37 | delight | how was it done in kde 3.5 ? |
| 22:05.46 | thiago_home | by introducing a hack into QString |
| 22:05.51 | delight | i see |
| 22:05.54 | thiago_home | the hack was removed in Qt 4.4, after 5 years of UTF-8 transition. |
| 22:06.08 | thiago_home | the hack was only for UTF-8 as well, so it didn't work if your encoding was different. |
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| 22:08.25 | delight | well i allways got my got console ;) ... not that friendly from a new users perspective ... but still way better then it was in windows ... i remember it was a huge issue deleting such things back then ;) |
| 22:09.03 | d3x | AFAIR it was something like: format c: /q /f |
| 22:09.18 | delight | d3x: the only solution :-D |
| 22:09.19 | delight | lol |
| 22:09.59 | sreich | why would there be invalid characters in filenames in the first place? |
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| 22:10.59 | delight | sreich: as i mentioned ... i got them from a pre utf8 box sharing some folder via samba where the users used special non-ascii chars like é or ö |
| 22:11.24 | sreich | ah, didn't see that |
| 22:11.25 | thiago_home | delight: or creating files that start with a dot |
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| 22:12.00 | delight | when i mounted those partition on a utf8 system the filenames was corrupted ... only good way would have been the painfully slow network copy ... |
| 22:12.22 | d3x | delight, wrong :) |
| 22:12.26 | delight | but for me its ok ... and i understand the point of thiago ... so i'll go with mv |
| 22:12.35 | d3x | you should have mounted it with proper encoding |
| 22:12.51 | delight | d3x: yes ... that might have worked too ;) |
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| 22:29.44 | jcolby | anyone know if 4.4.3 is still being released today? |
| 22:30.18 | thiago_home | it's half past midnight, so unlikely |
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| 22:31.06 | jcolby | well it is not that late here :) |
| 22:31.07 | Macer | it's nice using chromium in kubuntu |
| 22:31.12 | Macer | good replacement for konqueror |
| 22:31.20 | Macer | too bad konqueror seems so horrible :) |
| 22:31.29 | thiago_home | KDE is mostly developed in Europe, where it's half past midnight. |
| 22:31.38 | thiago_home | Macer: konqueror is very nice for me. |
| 22:31.46 | delight | Macer: chromium is not fitting in with its window-decoration ... have you tryed rekonq ? |
| 22:31.53 | Macer | why can't i drag icons to the desktop folder from the classic k menu? |
| 22:32.01 | Macer | delight: get new themes for it ;) |
| 22:32.31 | Macer | just go to extensions and download new themes |
| 22:33.11 | Macer | what i hate more so are the fact that i can't figure out how to change the windows looking window controls |
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| 22:33.28 | Macer | i'm trying to find a way to change them so they don't look so windowsish in kubuntu :) |
| 22:33.40 | delight | Macer: not talking about the look ... I'm talking about the fell .. like it ain't got the window-buttons postitoned as you preffered in kde ... if you activate to use windows decoration of the system you loose the (using less space) benefit |
| 22:33.51 | delight | rekonq did a very good job interface wise |
| 22:34.40 | delight | and its also webkit <<< i think thats your point against konquoror .. which is elseways a very smooth browser unless you got to that google gwt sides |
| 22:35.27 | Macer | oh |
| 22:35.42 | Macer | well. my point against konqueror is the java script sucks for it |
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| 22:35.51 | Macer | ajax stuff acts funny especially in zimbra which i NEED to use :) |
| 22:36.23 | amgarchIn9 | hi, how do I get rid of bluetooth applet in the panel permanently? My laptop deosnt even have any. |
| 22:36.28 | delight | Macer: you got a point ... but chromium is acting weired on a lot of sides too ... in that case only firefox helps |
| 22:36.29 | Macer | gmail's web interface acts a little flakey too but i am weaning away from gmail and google as much as i can but damn they made an awesome browser haha |
| 22:36.42 | Macer | delight: i find ff to be slower |
| 22:36.51 | Macer | and so far i haven't ran into many problems with chromium at all |
| 22:36.52 | delight | yes and its starting slower too |
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| 22:37.08 | amgarchIn9 | same staff with the printer applet, always appears after reboot |
| 22:37.14 | Macer | ff kind of got bloated :) |
| 22:37.16 | delight | that true .. but its not acting weired ... i eaven have strange behaviours on google docs with chromium |
| 22:37.34 | Macer | heh. i use the zimbra docs stuff ;) |
| 22:37.43 | Macer | i need to set up more domains on my zimbra server |
| 22:37.48 | delight | Macer: try rekonq you might like it ... even thou its pretty young 0.4 ... but i find it to be pretty nice |
| 22:37.49 | amgarchIn9 | this is most recent 4.4.2 in kubuntu 10.4 |
| 22:38.20 | Macer | delight: no thanks ;) if i run into problems with chromium i will but otherwise it looks like i'm sticking with this |
| 22:38.26 | delight | amgarchIn9: go into the systemtray settings by right-clicking |
| 22:39.10 | Macer | hm. i don't really need a desktop folder on the desktop.. there are like 4 apps i actually use all the time and i can just shove those into the panel |
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| 22:39.37 | Macer | i think i'm just going to download a bunch of useless cpu sucking widgets haha |
| 22:39.52 | delight | Macer: i did the same for a little bit more then a year ... now i find myself beeing half time back on firefox ... but i installed plugins like omibar and otheres to make the behaviour and look more like a mix of chromium and safari |
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| 22:40.35 | amgarchIn9 | delight: you probbaly saved me a few days of life. I'll see after reboot. Thanks! |
| 22:41.22 | Macer | haha |
| 22:41.24 | Macer | a few days of life :) |
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| 22:41.49 | Macer | delight: yeah well. :) i like chromium so far.. it takes a little while to find the stuff you hate especially when you want something to be good |
| 22:41.57 | Macer | kind of like marriage haha |
| 22:42.07 | amgarchIn9 | I hate it when something bothers me and I cant get rid of it. Not good for life expectancy |
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| 22:43.18 | Macer | hm. i only found 2 widgets that are in the default install that i will use.. time to download a whole bunch more |
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| 22:43.31 | Macer | i'm going to make my desktop retarded with a ton of widgets just to do it |
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| 22:43.39 | Macer | maybe there is a chromium widget :) |
| 22:43.51 | sh4g0 | kde don't mount my USB why?¡ |
| 22:44.14 | thiago_home | because you didn't mount it |
| 22:44.25 | thiago_home | if you click the option to mount it, it will mount |
| 22:44.25 | sh4g0 | so.. how i can do tath? |
| 22:44.42 | sh4g0 | where is the option?¡ |
| 22:45.12 | Macer | hm |
| 22:45.18 | sh4g0 | uh.. yes mount |
| 22:45.20 | Macer | wtf. why is my cpu clock freq running full speed? |
| 22:45.23 | sh4g0 | sorry my error |
| 22:45.23 | Macer | :) |
| 22:45.28 | Macer | no cpufreq or something? |
| 22:45.55 | Macer | this is what i get for installing kubuntu on a macbook |
| 22:46.04 | Macer | no wonder the battery hasn't lasted long :) |
| 22:46.18 | DebianUT | Nepomuk maybe? |
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| 22:46.42 | RMCampos | hi all |
| 22:47.06 | sh4g0 | i have this error: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.volume.PermissionDenied: Refusing to mount device /dev/sda3 for uid=1000 |
| 22:47.14 | sh4g0 | some one can help me! |
| 22:47.16 | delight | Macer: what kind of macbook ? i got a macbook pro 17" from last year ... i want to put kubuntu on |
| 22:47.20 | thiago_home | sh4g0: ask your distro's channel |
| 22:47.26 | thiago_home | sh4g0: that is not a KDE problem now. |
| 22:47.37 | delight | Macer: on the live cd it showed up no wlan thou |
| 22:47.42 | sh4g0 | amm. |
| 22:47.56 | sh4g0 | oks :D |
| 22:48.00 | RMCampos | I need to add a keyboard shortcut, how ? |
| 22:48.06 | delight | Macer: but the touchpad was working fine ... multitouch |
| 22:48.24 | thiago_home | RMCampos: right-click the K Menu, select Menu Editor |
| 22:48.34 | thiago_home | RMCampos: then find the item you want to add a shortcut to and add the shortcut |
| 22:48.56 | RMCampos | thiago_home: I need to add on F12 button |
| 22:49.00 | Macer | it's like 2 yrs old.. i got it like a year and a half ago from someone getting rid of it |
| 22:49.03 | Macer | it's like an older black one |
| 22:49.10 | Macer | everything works except the cam |
| 22:49.12 | thiago_home | RMCampos: ok, it's not a problem |
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| 22:50.49 | Macer | delight: i'm trying to find out if there is some sort of cpufreq problem |
| 22:50.58 | Macer | hoping that maybe there is a power option to enable it so the cpu will throttle down |
| 22:51.38 | delight | Macer: well i just ordered an 2 Terra HD to backup my data ... next step is osx + kubuntu in parallel ... but as far as i saw there is no write acess to hfs+ if journaling is enabled ... well things ain't allways perfect ... I have to see how good it support the hardware and maybe switch completle ... even thou the osx is pretty nice to (some shortcommings) |
| 22:52.24 | delight | Macer did you try to set it up in the energie settings (systemsetting/advanced) |
| 22:53.28 | Macer | delight: i have an 8TB opensolaris fileserver for backing up ;) |
| 22:53.30 | Macer | zfs ftw |
| 22:54.42 | Macer | delight: under capabilities it says "CPU can be turned Off" with a NO there :) |
| 22:54.50 | delight | Macer: well you are all set up ;) ... I'm allmost got only laptops by now ... but I'm considering a NAS ... |
| 22:55.01 | Macer | has supported for the policies tho so hm |
| 22:55.07 | delight | let me check my dell |
| 22:55.47 | Macer | oh |
| 22:55.52 | delight | same here ... but the battery life time is really good |
| 22:55.54 | Macer | ok.. i guess it's set to (ondemand) now |
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| 22:56.09 | delight | @ least as good as it was with the XP system that was included |
| 22:56.10 | Macer | hm. so is performance tho |
| 22:56.53 | Macer | wonder what "conservative" is for cpu freq scaling :) |
| 22:57.16 | delight | well it says supported cpu-settings <<< I'm just freely translating ... ain't got my system set to english |
| 22:57.27 | Macer | yeah |
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| 22:57.36 | Macer | it seems to support it |
| 22:57.56 | Macer | it supports dynamic.. which i gues is what i need for the cpufreq stuff |
| 22:57.56 | delight | Macer: it says like speed, dynamic, energie safing .... stuff like that |
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| 22:58.22 | Macer | i wonder what conservative is though for dynamic |
| 22:58.23 | delight | you can try to switch to a different powerprofile |
| 22:58.29 | Macer | yeah. i'm using power saving now |
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| 22:59.34 | Macer | Unlike the ondemand governor, conversative doesn't jump to maximum frequency when CPU load is high, but increases the frequency step by step. Further tuning through files in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/. Still requires userland tools (programs, scripts) if governor switching or similar is desired. |
| 22:59.54 | Macer | awesome.. seems like that is way better |
| 23:02.58 | delight | Macer: does it adjust the screen brightness automaticly depending on the brightness of you sorrounding ? (like in osx) |
| 23:03.08 | Macer | my mb never did that |
| 23:03.15 | Macer | my n900 does that. i honestly find it irritating |
| 23:03.39 | Macer | maybe it's a mb pro thing or something.. but that sounds like something i would disable if i could |
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| 23:05.51 | Macer | ah well. going to work on installing widgets :) thanks delight the power saving stuff hopefully will help out a bit. it hasn't been lasting nearly as long as osx was |
| 23:06.10 | delight | Macer: good luck |
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| 23:08.45 | poppler | hi there |
| 23:09.19 | poppler | I'm on kde 4.4.2, is there a way to see last completed jobs in the system tray? (like a history of last transferred or copied files?) |
| 23:10.13 | poppler | I was doing a drag and drop but something went wrong and suddenly it started transferring gob knows where. Now it's done but I want to know where it went |
| 23:10.33 | poppler | some log of transferring jobs? |
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| 23:24.50 | delight | poppler: i don't know in which system you get such a thing unless you use some commanline tool |
| 23:25.06 | delight | besides where do you want it to be locked ? |
| 23:25.14 | delight | logged |
| 23:25.15 | poppler | eh, you're right |
| 23:25.23 | poppler | but I was hoping there were such a thing |
| 23:25.51 | guillom | « You have not entered enough keywords to describe this bug » |
| 23:26.03 | guillom | « That's because 3 words describe it perfectly, silly » |
| 23:26.13 | poppler | for there was some sluggishness from the system when I was drag and dropping and the sucker quickly transferred it somewhere else! ahah |
| 23:26.43 | poppler | hate when that happens lol |
| 23:27.04 | delight | you can allways search for filenames and find your files in that case |
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| 23:38.01 | Cap_J_L_Picard | arorae is part of kwin isn't it? |
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| 23:42.50 | mfilipe | is the akonadi-googledata in KDE-4.4.3? |
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| 23:47.02 | chomwitt | hi. i installed kdevelop in debian sqeeze but it not localized to greek. I have installed the kde-l10n-el packages |
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