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| 00:00.36 | lliehu | ok, thought so, but couldn't confirm (I'm using a firefox version where I don't see those "ended abruptly, do you want to restore session?" messages) |
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| 00:03.18 | scorpius_ | where can I get a list of currently open windows and their IDs |
| 00:03.19 | scorpius_ | ? |
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| 00:04.47 | szal | since when is Gwenview unable to edit PNG or TIFF images? |
| 00:05.29 | lliehu | hmm...there's a tool called wmctrl that can close windows gracefully (given you're using an EWMH compliant window manager) |
| 00:05.59 | lliehu | it works at least in KDE SC 4.4, but you could try it with KDE 3 kwin, too I guess |
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| 00:09.59 | lliehu | szal: I can edit PNG images fine in Gwenview that's shipped with KDE 4.4 SC, what version are you using? |
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| 00:11.13 | Gentoochild | szal: do you have Kipi plugins installed? |
| 00:11.14 | szal | lliehu: Gwenview Version 2.4.0 Using KDE Development Platform 4.4.00 (KDE 4.4.0) "release 2" |
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| 00:12.24 | szal | Gentoochild: yes, I have |
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| 00:19.09 | szal | lliehu, Gentoochild: it used to work here too w/ KDE 4.3.x |
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| 00:21.40 | lliehu | szal: ok. does gwenview's console output show anything unusual? what distribution do you use btw? |
| 00:22.07 | szal | lliehu: openSUSE 11.2 w/ KDE 4.4.0 from openSUSE Build Service |
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| 00:22.41 | lliehu | szal: ok |
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| 00:24.57 | szal | hmm, no idea what's the thing.. opened Gwenview on the terminal, no problem w/ an arbitrary TIFF |
| 00:25.57 | szal | saved the img as PNG, no problem either |
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| 00:26.55 | szal | normally opened also works now, no friggin' idea what that was.. |
| 00:27.11 | lliehu | heh. so no problems now? |
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| 00:43.18 | pipi | where do I find kate in 4.4 ? |
| 00:44.10 | szal | off-topic but related -> http://omploader.org/vM28yNA/20091009_Baustelle-Kraftwerk-Neurath.jpg <- one of my favourite photographs, the construction site of a new block for a coalfire power station some 20 km from where I live |
| 00:44.41 | szal | pipi: ask your distro folks, they know how they packaged it |
| 00:45.25 | pipi | oh, I was reading and it seems to be part od kdebase so it didnt occur to me to check with the fecora guys first |
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| 00:46.04 | kde__pepo | pipi, kate is in kdesdk |
| 00:46.26 | pipi | let m etry a yum for that |
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| 00:48.07 | szal | perhaps a stupid question -> what does the message at the bottom of Kopete's main window mean? here it says 'Offline', though I'm connected to the 2 networks I set up there & online |
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| 00:50.45 | pipi | thanks pepo, just as soon as I read your answers i remembered yum provides |
| 00:50.59 | pipi | kdesdk-4.4.0-1.fc11.i586 : The KDE Software Development Kit (SDK) |
| 00:51.01 | pipi | Repo : kde |
| 00:51.02 | pipi | Matched from: |
| 00:51.04 | pipi | Other : kate |
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| 01:25.31 | DavidFreeman | Hi. I have a fresh installation of Fedora 12 on a laptop (still using my Fedora 11 /home/$USER directory) and have noticed that the volume buttons are not working. Although pressing them *does* bring up the volume control widget, they have no effect on the audio level. I observe that in 'systemsettings', the Multimedia=> sound section has no entries for PulseAudio, but only "Internal Audio Analog Stereo". 'pulseaudio' is running |
| 01:25.39 | DavidFreeman | Any ideas about getting my hardware volume control buttons to work? |
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| 02:22.21 | Paddy_NI | Hello I was wondering if there was anything like this for kde4 http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes |
| 02:23.54 | sreich | yes |
| 02:24.21 | sreich | http://kde-look.org/ |
| 02:25.10 | Paddy_NI | no I am talking about that specific page |
| 02:25.22 | Paddy_NI | I am well aware of kde/gnome-look |
| 02:25.59 | Paddy_NI | kde-look has a grand total of zero tutorials :) |
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| 02:27.02 | sreich | oh, I thought you were referring to themability |
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| 02:28.58 | Paddy_NI | oh sorry I was not very clear :) |
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| 02:29.50 | Paddy_NI | It seems qt theming requires a strong knowledge of C++ and I have a strong knowledge of no programming languages |
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| 02:30.35 | Qvintvs | any recs for a kde/qt ftp client? |
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| 02:31.34 | Paddy_NI | I was looking for a simple enough way in to programming by doing something that is aesthetically pleasing to start the ball rolling for me |
| 02:31.49 | Paddy_NI | Qvintvs: konqueror does a good job |
| 02:32.37 | Qvintvs | Paddy_NI: ya, I heard that somewhere else, wasn't sure if there was anything better floating around somewhere |
| 02:33.22 | Paddy_NI | Qvintvs: this may be a little old http://linuxreviews.org/software/ftp-clients/ |
| 02:33.23 | kdepepo | Paddy_NI, if you are looking for KDE theming options without writing C++, then use style sheets. See http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/stylesheet.html |
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| 02:33.53 | Paddy_NI | kdepepo: just found it.. thanks but aint that on a per application basis? |
| 02:34.02 | sreich | yeah, that's what /me was thinking. They don't seem much different from the GTK ones |
| 02:35.01 | Paddy_NI | would be nice to see dedicated theming IDEs/design environments |
| 02:35.03 | Qvintvs | Paddy_NI: didn't mean I had any real problems with konqueror, was just just curious if there was a seperate kde app specificaly for it. I'll prob stick with konqueror for now |
| 02:35.43 | kdepepo | Qvintvs, there is also kftpgrabber |
| 02:35.46 | Paddy_NI | Qvintvs: only real way to know is to try out a few ad see what fits you best |
| 02:36.08 | kdepepo | Qvintvs, thats a WS_FTP type app |
| 02:36.21 | Paddy_NI | Qvintvs: if you like midnight commander you might like krusader it would make a very efficient ftp client |
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| 02:37.11 | Paddy_NI | you can also point the folder view plasmoid at an ftp address which is really nice |
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| 02:41.14 | pipi | fireftp for firefox |
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| 03:43.24 | cleary | Hi folks - I'm running debian sid, but I've got an issue where the power management widgets do not detect my cpus or sensors |
| 03:44.10 | cleary | I *think* it should work, but I'm just missing a package - for the life of me I can't work it out though |
| 03:44.14 | cleary | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 04:20.31 | cleary | the answer to my question is: ksysguardd |
| 04:20.33 | cleary | :) |
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| 04:56.02 | zinox | anyone knows if there is any STasks plasmoid version for kde 4.4?? |
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| 04:58.40 | QwertyManiac | the alternative smooth tasks works in 4.4, although not very well yet |
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| 05:00.23 | zinox | :/ |
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| 05:03.44 | zinox | QwertyManiac where i got this alternative smooth tasks? |
| 05:08.22 | QwertyManiac | zinox: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586 -- its a well-updated fork of STasks |
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| 05:10.30 | zinox | QwertyManiac, but it kde 4.4 has natively |
| 05:10.35 | zinox | i am using it now |
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| 05:10.56 | zinox | smoth tasks looks like windows 7 tasks |
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| 06:45.08 | zinox | i am using kde full efects with emerald but if i put mouse pointer in the right corner of scrollbar i can't move scroll so i need move I need to move a little to the left to the scrollbar for it works. anyway in kwin i don't have this problem ;; do anyone here know how fix it? |
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| 06:52.15 | lmurray | zinox: Emerald bug, talk to the Compiz guys |
| 06:52.42 | zinox | thank you |
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| 07:04.06 | lmurray | Argh stupid heat, I called a phone number an "address" =\ |
| 07:04.08 | zinox | there is anyway to use emerald without use compiz-fusion?? because i like kde compiz settings |
| 07:04.26 | lmurray | No, Emerald requires Compiz |
| 07:04.29 | lmurray | It's a Compiz decoration |
| 07:04.37 | lmurray | And is in no way related to KDE |
| 07:05.02 | zinox | kwin has ugly themes |
| 07:05.55 | lmurray | There are a lot of good ones around if you look on kde-look.org |
| 07:06.18 | lmurray | Thanks to Aurorae lots of new themes are being developed now |
| 07:06.28 | lmurray | Or rather, lots are being ported from other WMs to KWin |
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| 07:07.56 | zinox | there is any kwin theme looks like windows 7? i think not |
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| 07:08.34 | lmurray | zinox: I know one that is under development, it's not released yet though |
| 07:08.43 | lmurray | finds a screenshot |
| 07:08.47 | zinox | ok |
| 07:09.01 | lmurray | http://ktown.kde.org/~fredrik/blur4.png |
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| 07:09.55 | lmurray | Something to look forward to for KDE SC 4.5 ^_^ |
| 07:10.09 | zinox | lmurray, cool theme |
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| 07:11.01 | zinox | kde needs improve kwin appearance |
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| 07:43.44 | zeke | lmurray: nice, but now, kde4 == vista :P |
| 07:43.49 | zeke | in terms of aero like |
| 07:44.20 | zeke | will it work even without a graphics card unlike windows aero |
| 07:44.44 | detrate | how can I change the dimensions of a virtual desktop? |
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| 07:56.31 | carl- | im on fedora kde 4.4 since i upgraded i have this process virtuoso-t taking 100% cpu .. |
| 07:57.03 | carl- | it belongs to some virtuoso-opensource package and if i want to remove it it seems half of kde is going with it .. |
| 07:57.12 | carl- | what is it and what does it do?? |
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| 07:59.31 | carl- | also seems i have nepomukservices eating away pretty good at my cpu .. |
| 08:00.01 | Torch | carl-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuoso_Universal_Server |
| 08:00.17 | Torch | carl-: if it doesn't work right, ask on #fedora |
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| 08:05.57 | carl- | Torch: well .. since i do not know in this case what "work right" is .. maybe its just really really busy .. however .. i have no idea what functionality it provides and what new features i get from it .. |
| 08:06.15 | carl- | it seems however to be most important to almost all of kde |
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| 08:08.30 | carl- | what starts it and what uses the virtuoso universal server |
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| 08:09.55 | Torch | carl-: it's used by nepomuk as a backend. nepomuk, in turn, is the semantic desktop feature of kde sc 4.3 and later. it provides searching and tagging, for instance. |
| 08:10.13 | QwertyManiac | carl-: used by nepomuk, options of which lie in SS > Advanced Tab > Desktop Search |
| 08:11.02 | carl- | aah well .. i did enable that also since the update kontact complained when i started it about nepomuk not being enabled .. |
| 08:11.14 | carl- | well now i disabled it again .. problem solved |
| 08:11.30 | carl- | nothing that was worth eating 100% cpu |
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| 08:11.51 | carl- | i could search my mails fine before .. |
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| 08:22.58 | wonack | i don't know which version of kde i am using. previous version is indicated in the kdm login screen. but what i current have is a screen of several white circles in different shade, with the login box. any one knows which version is this? |
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| 08:29.00 | xdan779 | wonack: login into kde and select any kde app in the upper in the main menu bar select help -> about kde will give you the version number |
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| 08:30.36 | JZA | hi is there a way to efficiently change between activities |
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| 08:30.52 | wonack | xdan779: thks but i can't get into kde. the system is looping at the kdm login screen. after i login, the screen blanks for several secs and then the login screen re-appears., |
| 08:31.14 | JZA | is there a plasmoid that can offer easily switching between activities with one click? |
| 08:31.54 | wonack | xdan779: from kde screenshot that i found through surfing, i think my kde is either 4.2 or 4.3. |
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| 08:33.17 | wonack | xdan779: you happen to be using debian? |
| 08:35.53 | wonack | how to find out which version of kde is installed on my system? |
| 08:35.55 | tdn | After upgrading to KDE 4.4 my fixed width fonts are all messed up. Screen dump here: http://bayimg.com/iaKIhAACn How do I solve this issue? |
| 08:36.22 | tdn | It happens with Inconsolata and Droid Sans Mono, but not with DejaVu Mono. |
| 08:36.47 | wonack | sorry, last question meant for #debian. |
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| 08:39.15 | thomasj_ | wonack, for your loop problem, check /var/log/kdm.log |
| 08:39.51 | xdan779 | wonack: no need to be sorry, help -> about kde should give you the version of kde you are using regardless of distro as to why your graphical login manager changed though may be a good question to ask the debian channel |
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| 08:40.52 | wonack | thomasj_: thks, I have done that. also checked .xsession-errors, its blank. |
| 08:41.49 | thomasj_ | wonack, is there a group in debian to install KDE from, like kde-desktop, you might miss some essential files. |
| 08:41.58 | wonack | i think kde is not installed. i renamed .kde but it was not regenerated. |
| 08:42.41 | wonack | is it possible to get the kdm login screen if kde is not installed? |
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| 08:43.57 | thomasj_ | wonack, sure, kdm can be installed almost without the rest of kde |
| 08:44.49 | wonack | thomasj_: thks, i think i will go check if kde is installed. thks, everyone, bye. |
| 08:45.09 | thomasj_ | wonack, but to get the possibility to login into kde, you need a bit more than just kdm. So maybe something like a "groupupdate kde" might help you. |
| 08:45.13 | xdan779 | wonack: kdm is part of kde-workspace you would need qt, kdelibs, kdepimlibs, and kde-workspace at min |
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| 09:18.27 | lng_ | hi! how to turn off these startup/shutdown nasty sounds? |
| 09:22.51 | tdn | lng_, System Settings > Notofications |
| 09:23.26 | tdn | lng_, then you select KDE system notifications and there it is. I know, it is not very intuitive :( |
| 09:24.09 | lmurray | detrate: By definition of a virtual desktop it will always be the same size as your monitor(s). KDE does not support "large desktops", aka "viewports". |
| 09:24.29 | detrate | I guess I mean activity across 2 monitors |
| 09:24.46 | lmurray | Ah |
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| 10:33.49 | vldmr | bug in kde... why cannot open kde after kdm login ? |
| 10:34.21 | vldmr | its restarting X |
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| 10:40.38 | vldmr | can someone help ? |
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| 10:45.12 | pARAd0X85 | hi |
| 10:45.25 | pARAd0X85 | I have a strange problem after moving to KDE4.4 : |
| 10:45.41 | pARAd0X85 | when I keep my PC without doing any action, |
| 10:45.55 | pARAd0X85 | the CPU0 usage grow up to 99% |
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| 10:46.11 | pARAd0X85 | when I move the mouse, it falls to 42 |
| 10:46.40 | pARAd0X85 | CPU1 usage is about 20% |
| 10:47.48 | Mamarok | pARAd0X85: and what does top tell you what is using the CPU? |
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| 10:50.18 | TR1N1TY | KDE SUX |
| 10:50.28 | TR1N1TY | WINDOWS FTWWWWWW |
| 10:50.31 | TR1N1TY | hack the planet |
| 10:50.32 | TR1N1TY | hack the planet |
| 10:50.33 | TR1N1TY | hack the planet |
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| 10:50.52 | brot | TR1N1TY: gfy |
| 10:50.53 | TR1N1TY | hack the planet |
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| 10:51.54 | Mamarok | !op |
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| 10:52.02 | pARAd0X85 | !op |
| 10:52.03 | Mamarok | !ops |
| 10:52.03 | TR1N1TY | hack the planet |
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| 10:52.23 | TR1N1TY | hack the planet |
| 10:52.24 | pARAd0X85 | someone kick this out ? |
| 10:52.25 | TR1N1TY | hack the planet |
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| 10:52.51 | pARAd0X85 | ChanServ: TR1N1TY is doing bad things ! |
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| 10:54.26 | Mamarok | annew: can you kick that guy? |
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| 10:54.50 | Mamarok | marienz: glad to see you :) |
| 10:54.51 | TR1N1TY | LICK MINE |
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| 10:54.58 | Mamarok | he is trolling multiple chans |
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| 10:55.07 | *** mode/#kde [+o marienz] by ChanServ |
| 10:55.09 | TR1N1TY | hack the planet |
| 10:55.11 | TR1N1TY | LICK MY PAIR |
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| 10:56.07 | vldmr | why cannot open kde after kdm login ? |
| 10:56.08 | Mamarok | marienz: thanks a lot :) |
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| 10:56.40 | pARAd0X85 | Mamarok: Xorg takes ~80% then plasma-desktop 13% |
| 10:56.42 | marienz | no problem |
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| 10:57.26 | Nightrose | Mamarok: who? |
| 10:57.26 | Mamarok | too late, freenode staff helped |
| 10:57.31 | Nightrose | ah ok |
| 10:57.40 | vldmr | Im having problems when I login kde... its start but not completely open kde |
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| 10:58.23 | vldmr | Im using slackware linux... can someone help ? |
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| 11:14.45 | vldmr | where can I see the kde's log ? |
| 11:15.04 | annma | what's your problem |
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| 11:19.06 | annma | vldmr: what's your problem |
| 11:20.29 | vldmr | Im having problems when I login kdm... its start kde but not completely open it |
| 11:21.01 | alienBOB | Please explain in more detail vldmr |
| 11:21.48 | annma | vldmr: new install? upgrade? what does it do? |
| 11:22.00 | vldmr | alienBOB: Im using slack current |
| 11:22.36 | annma | vldmr: new install? upgrade? what does it do? |
| 11:22.59 | vldmr | I new install |
| 11:23.11 | vldmr | a* |
| 11:23.29 | szal | what does the message at the bottom of Kopete's main window mean? here it says 'Offline', though I'm connected to the 2 networks I set up there & online |
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| 11:25.36 | alienBOB | vldmr: does KDE start when you start it from the console using "startx"? |
| 11:26.14 | alienBOB | Your statement "its start kde but not completely open it" is not at all helpful. In what way "not completely" ? |
| 11:26.52 | vldmr | just a moment |
| 11:27.54 | vldmr | alienBOB: I believe it can be the problem with user uid and gid |
| 11:28.21 | vldmr | alienBOB: in current |
| 11:28.53 | alienBOB | vldmr: I do not have a crystal ball and you are not answering my questions |
| 11:29.47 | vldmr | alienBOB: kde doesnt start with console 'startx' command |
| 11:30.08 | vldmr | its fronzer in load components screen |
| 11:30.11 | alienBOB | In that case, do you see errors on the console? |
| 11:30.22 | alienBOB | fronzer? Frozen? |
| 11:30.39 | vldmr | fronzen |
| 11:30.44 | alienBOB | Look in /var/log/Xorg*log to see if X is logging any errors |
| 11:31.33 | alienBOB | Can you kill X and KDE by pressing Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace or do you have to perform a hard reset? |
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| 11:32.08 | annma | if it's a new install then obviously it's not installed properly |
| 11:32.19 | alienBOB | vldmr: I think this is no a KDE problem, if you need help debugging your Slackware system then the ##slackware channel may be a better option |
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| 11:35.05 | vldmr | kde fronzen... keyboard and mouse fronzen |
| 11:35.20 | vldmr | I will restartinga and see the error |
| 11:35.28 | vldmr | restart* |
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| 11:36.07 | szal | and how in the world can it be that some nutjob spams the channel for 5 mins & no one throws them out? o0 a spam protection setting would surely do its job here |
| 11:36.33 | annma | what nutjob spam? |
| 11:36.41 | szal | plus, if there was an answer to my last question, please repeat, I got knocked off the 'net immediately after that |
| 11:36.50 | alisonken1noc | alienBOB: didn't know you hung out here :) |
| 11:36.56 | Mamarok | annma: earlier here |
| 11:37.03 | szal | annma: about 45 mins ago |
| 11:37.04 | annma | oh OK |
| 11:37.11 | annma | was talked about szal |
| 11:37.22 | Mamarok | it took a long time til some freenode staffer banned im, the ops were not looking... |
| 11:37.29 | Mamarok | him* |
| 11:38.09 | alienBOB | alisonken1noc: well I build KDE packages for Slackware, so this is a natural channel to be in ;-) |
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| 11:38.27 | Mamarok | annma: there should be a way to call the ops easier, without having to query ChanServ |
| 11:38.29 | annma | wow alienBOB |
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| 11:38.35 | vldmr | alienBOB: x log fine... no errors |
| 11:38.39 | annma | Mamarok: yes |
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| 11:38.52 | vldmr | alienBOB: running another WM fine too |
| 11:39.16 | annma | what WM? |
| 11:39.52 | annma | vldmr: what WM? |
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| 11:40.25 | vldmr | anyother |
| 11:40.31 | vldmr | xfce run fine |
| 11:40.38 | vldmr | like example |
| 11:41.13 | annma | I thought a WM in KDE |
| 11:41.23 | vldmr | remembering this sistem doesnt have a graphic card acceleration |
| 11:41.29 | vldmr | system* |
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| 11:44.07 | vldmr | where can I see the kde start log ? |
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| 11:45.39 | alienBOB | vldmr: did you create a new user, or is this a user account that has been using KDE3 previously? |
| 11:46.47 | vldmr | alienBOB: full format |
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| 11:47.06 | vldmr | nothing old here |
| 11:47.09 | alienBOB | What graphics hardware vldmr? |
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| 11:48.58 | vldmr | Via S3 Unichrome Pro |
| 11:49.22 | vldmr | openchrome driver I suppose |
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| 11:52.47 | vldmr | alienBOB: its a kde problem... can be a render problem with any devices model like sis and openchrome |
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| 11:53.23 | vldmr | can be a x.org problem too |
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| 11:53.49 | vldmr | alienBOB: we have updates for these days in current ? |
| 11:54.00 | GNU\colossus | whenever I'm idle in my session for too long (say, an hour or so), something crashes and I find myself back on KDM's login screen. any ideas what could be the cause of that or how to narrow down the culprit? (KDE 4.4 on Gentoo) |
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| 12:12.32 | annma | GNU\colossus: you get no backtrace? |
| 12:12.47 | annma | an hour is not long |
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| 12:19.13 | Torch | GNU\colossus: first thing comes to mind is screensaver or power management of course. did you disable those already? |
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| 12:24.35 | GNU\colossus | annma: no, nothing. |
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| 12:25.01 | GNU\colossus | Torch: I don't have powermgmt enabled (except for DPMS in the X server itself), though I'll try deactivating the "Blank" screensaver |
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| 12:32.08 | zinox | how do i to start sound icon tray baceuse it disappear |
| 12:32.11 | zinox | ? |
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| 12:32.49 | Torch | zinox: alt+f2. type kmix. return. |
| 12:33.01 | zinox | thanks a lot |
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| 12:47.16 | isi | I'm using Fedora 12 and there was an update to KDE 4.4. Now the Digital Clock is in 12h format instead of 24h. I cannot find an option to change this. Any idea= |
| 12:47.55 | annma | isi: try in SYstemSettings in your locale settings if I remember correctly |
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| 12:53.33 | isi | annma: thx, under regional & language there is a Time Format option |
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| 12:54.08 | annma | :) |
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| 12:57.08 | SinnerP | hi, how do I disable, in KDE 4.4.0, the pop-up whenever I hover my mouse on Kmail's folder list? |
| 12:57.42 | SinnerP | it uses "tooltip" color scheme. I have tooltips disabled on Kmail |
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| 13:14.57 | Torch | SinnerP: configure -> apprearance -> layout -> folder tooltips? |
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| 13:27.40 | SinnerP | Torch: there are no "folder tooltips" in Layout |
| 13:28.05 | SinnerP | oh, wait |
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| 13:33.56 | beers | is planet kde down? |
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| 13:36.48 | urkud | seems so |
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| 13:45.21 | urkud | I was unable to load it 10 minutes ago, works now. |
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| 14:13.37 | annew | Sho_: someone on ML asking about Kommander - didn't I read that it's unmaintained? |
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| 14:14.47 | annew | nm - apparently there is a kubuntu version, so probably not |
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| 14:23.04 | Sho_ | annew: I think I at least saw KDE 4 port activity some time ago .. |
| 14:23.20 | annew | looks like it - sorry to have bothered you |
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| 14:33.24 | GNU\colossus | okular is so awesome. |
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| 14:36.27 | pARAd0X85 | is there any option in Konversation to move connect/disconnect messages out of the IRC main text ? |
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| 14:36.58 | pARAd0X85 | at least move it in a new sub window in right |
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| 14:37.53 | Sho_ | pARAd0X85: There's Behavior -> Chat Window -> Hide Join/Nick/Part |
| 14:38.19 | Sho_ | annew: no bother, but I don't know much about Kommander either :) |
| 14:39.38 | pARAd0X85 | Sho_: thanks :) |
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| 14:42.46 | smooki | ji |
| 14:42.49 | smooki | hi |
| 14:43.08 | smooki | how to get the session manager using azerty (french) keymap please ? |
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| 14:43.51 | urkud | Tweak you Xorg config?.. |
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| 15:11.07 | johnd | Hi. It seems the printer-dialoge in KDE 4.4 is broken. How can I add a printer now? |
| 15:13.22 | kusa | hi |
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| 15:17.47 | cedwards | johnd: I use the cups web interface: 127.0.0.1:631 |
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| 15:29.34 | johnd | cedwards: hey cool, thanks. I get "forbidden" trying to add the printer though. :) |
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| 15:33.20 | cedwards | johnd: it should prompt you to login, and the required login is root:password |
| 15:33.34 | johnd | cedwards: yes, I needed the root login. Thanks again! |
| 15:34.18 | cedwards | johnd: np. I much prefer the web interface to any GUI tool I've ever found. |
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| 15:38.06 | johnd | cedwards: yeah it was pretty good! And cups found ALL the printers here automatically. Magic. :) |
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| 15:39.36 | cedwards | johnd: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" |
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| 15:40.25 | jerryluc | i'm trying to setup kdm correct. but ca't get it to execute commands as user when i login. I've used the wiki. Is it just to add "exec command" in /usr/share/config/kdm/Xsession? |
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| 15:40.52 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 15:41.08 | johnd | cedwards: indeed |
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| 15:41.54 | Fox_1_ | people I'm using kubuntu with KDE 4.4.0 and want to know which package(s) I must install to have Development documentation in KDE Help Center, if it's possible? |
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| 15:43.42 | johnd | cedwards: I withdraw my magic-comment; duplex isn't avaliable! |
| 15:43.44 | annma | there's no devel doc in KHelpCenter |
| 15:43.55 | annma | Fox_1_: there's only apps doc |
| 15:44.00 | cedwards | johnd: it should be.. keep digging? |
| 15:44.28 | Fox_1_ | :( |
| 15:44.43 | habarnam | for whomever is interested in testing caldav support for korganizer: http://code.google.com/p/kcaldav/ |
| 15:44.45 | johnd | cedwards: no I mean it's there, it's jsut grayed out on options |
| 15:44.56 | johnd | cedwards: that's more likely a cups issue though |
| 15:45.16 | annma | Fox_1_: use api.kde.org |
| 15:45.36 | annma | or in KDE type KDE:KDE_class_name |
| 15:45.42 | annma | KDE:KLineEdit |
| 15:45.46 | Fox_1_ | know about that, just want to have off-line help :) |
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| 15:46.02 | annma | so build kdelibs API doc |
| 15:46.10 | annma | or ask your distro if they ahve it |
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| 15:46.51 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks |
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| 16:14.47 | unsequitur | Hello all. I recently installed KDE SC 4.4. After installation however, I find that (somehow) GTK seems to be drawing the windows |
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| 16:18.20 | gr1m-lap | Hello, any have any experience with diagnosing why the new libssh based sftp ioslave in 4.4 is still ignoring keys? |
| 16:18.30 | mika_ | hi, where kaddressbook save all its contacts? i changed distro, saving all the home folder, and i've to restore them |
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| 16:20.54 | unsequitur | Here is a screenshot of the desktop : http://imgur.com/srOHu.png |
| 16:21.16 | unsequitur | As you can see, the top right bar seems to be something GNOME would do |
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| 16:21.42 | unsequitur | The nice little KDE buttins seem to be missing |
| 16:21.43 | unsequitur | *buttons |
| 16:21.43 | gr1m-lap | ugh, sftp is just completely broken |
| 16:21.46 | gr1m-lap | even password auth fails |
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| 16:22.00 | unsequitur | How do I fix this? Thanks in advance! |
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| 16:24.00 | Half-Left | unsequitur: It's a third party app so we don't support it |
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| 16:24.11 | Half-Left | ask the author |
| 16:24.20 | unsequitur | Half-Left: What is? |
| 16:24.34 | Half-Left | That dialogue |
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| 16:25.17 | unsequitur | Half-Left: I should clarify : I'm talking about the little close, minimize button on the top right of every window |
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| 16:26.21 | unsequitur | It looks like something from GNOME right? I thought the default KDE bar was grey in colour, with a much nicer look |
| 16:27.04 | Half-Left | You seem to be not running kwin then |
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| 16:27.28 | Half-Left | try kwin --replace |
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| 16:27.30 | unsequitur | Half-Left: How do I start kwin? |
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| 16:29.15 | unsequitur | Half-Left: Yes! That worked! Thanks a LOT! |
| 16:29.46 | unsequitur | Half-Left: Do I have to do this every time I reboot? |
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| 16:30.16 | Half-Left | No because your KDE uses kwin by default |
| 16:30.17 | Frogbarf | How do I change the color of my text input in Kopete? |
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| 16:30.37 | unsequitur | Half-Left: Oh, ok. Thanks again. |
| 16:30.51 | Half-Left | unsequitur: Check the application defaults in systemsettings, the one for Window Manager |
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| 16:32.27 | unsequitur | Half-Left: The radio button for "Use the default KDE window manager (KWin) is checked" |
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| 16:32.57 | Half-Left | Frogbarf: In the kopete configuration under Chat WIndow |
| 16:33.40 | Frogbarf | Half-Left: then where? |
| 16:34.04 | Frogbarf | I see colours and fonts but that does not modify the input, just the output |
| 16:36.22 | Half-Left | No idea then |
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| 17:07.00 | TylerM | hi all.. running kde 3.5.10 on sidux.. |
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| 17:07.09 | TylerM | for last several months i have to restart X at least once |
| 17:07.18 | TylerM | before my window decorations start to show up :) |
| 17:07.23 | TylerM | sound familiar to anyone? |
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| 17:07.47 | TylerM | other WMs seem fine |
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| 17:55.11 | fatpelt_laptop | afternoon all. is it possible to make a window ignore clicks? I see that i can make "always above" and "transparent", but can i add, ignore clicks and pass them trough to whatever is below them? |
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| 18:03.48 | Vamp898 | Last time i was here a guy told me that KDE was never called "Kool Desktop Environment" but in the e-Mail where Matthias Ettrich announced KDE he called it "Kool Desktop Environment". Was that just in the e-Mail or was the first Versions of KDE called "Kool ..." ? |
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| 18:05.07 | annma | was just the email I think |
| 18:08.39 | Vamp898 | ah ok |
| 18:08.42 | thiago_home | Vamp898: yes, it was just the email |
| 18:08.47 | Vamp898 | thx =) |
| 18:08.52 | thiago_home | and that's because Martin Konold urged him to make the K have a name |
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| 18:09.10 | thiago_home | it wasn't called that before the email and never called again after the email |
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| 18:09.29 | Vamp898 | xD |
| 18:09.30 | pinotree | .oO(Konold Desktop Environment?) |
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| 18:10.23 | thiago_home | note how Kalle Dalheimer gets involved in projects that start with KD |
| 18:10.31 | thiago_home | KDE, KDAB, KD Executor |
| 18:10.37 | pinotree | guess why... |
| 18:11.12 | pinotree | thiago_home: you could have your dbus fork called TJM-Bus :P |
| 18:11.54 | thiago_home | the J-middlename-clan keeps their existence a secret |
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| 18:17.03 | kde_pepo | nixternal, back in KDE town? :) |
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| 18:19.14 | nixternal | kde_pepo: never left kde town :) |
| 18:19.27 | nixternal | been a bit busy, but still here |
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| 18:20.52 | kde_pepo | I am still wondering what's the status of the debian packages :) |
| 18:21.30 | kde_pepo | I managed to build ubuntu debs, but openSUSE buildservice does not allow KDE4 packages for debian yet |
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| 18:22.17 | nixternal | more than likely need updating, however what you had proposed for changes, wasn't accepted...that kind of annoyed me...so to move forward the current structure would stay the same even though you wanted it differently |
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| 18:22.54 | kde_pepo | ah, the splitting isnt allowed? no problem, then make a single package... |
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| 18:23.38 | kde_pepo | I had the impression that unstable stuff is allowed to change |
| 18:23.38 | nixternal | I can add that to the todo list |
| 18:23.46 | nixternal | as did i |
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| 18:50.04 | flolo_new | is it a bug, or do I misunderstand some concepts in KDE, that I cant scroll with my mousewheel on desktop the viewports when desktop activity is set to folder |
| 18:50.07 | flolo_new | ? |
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| 18:54.17 | Parkotron | So I'm in a computer lab which has full KDE and Gnome installations, but GDM is locked down to only allow logging into Gnome. |
| 18:54.41 | Parkotron | Is there a way to shutdown Gnome and start KDE without logging out? |
| 18:54.56 | kde_pepo | from terminal maybe? |
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| 18:55.16 | TylerM | startkde from within gnome? :) |
| 18:55.19 | TylerM | hehe |
| 18:55.38 | Parkotron | TylerM: That kind of works, but it just opens KDE on top of Gnome. |
| 18:55.53 | Parkotron | Plasma panels over Gnome ones, etc. |
| 18:55.54 | TylerM | then maybe you can kill the gnome stuff? not sure |
| 18:55.55 | flolo_new | is there somewhere a KDE-buglist, because this must be a bug |
| 18:56.05 | Parkotron | flolo_new: bugs.kde.org |
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| 18:56.23 | flolo_new | Can't connect to the database. |
| 18:56.24 | flolo_new | Error: Too many connections |
| 18:56.24 | flolo_new | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.24 | flolo_new | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.31 | flolo_new | For help, please send mail to the webmaster (sysadmin@kde.org) |
| 18:56.36 | flolo_new | :( |
| 18:56.39 | TylerM | what to do when your window decorations disappear? :( |
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| 18:57.43 | Parkotron | TylerM: Can you get to a console? |
| 18:57.43 | TylerM | yup |
| 18:57.43 | Parkotron | TylerM: Then just do "kwin --replace". |
| 18:57.43 | TylerM | they actually aren't there when i log in.. if I restart X then it works |
| 18:57.43 | TylerM | weird eh? |
| 18:57.48 | kde_pepo | Compiz? :) |
| 18:58.06 | TylerM | you think it's to blame? |
| 18:58.12 | TylerM | i just blame nvidia for everything ;-) |
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| 18:58.37 | flolo_new | I also got some nvidia issues |
| 18:58.53 | flolo_new | how to set a wallpaper spanning over 2 monitors |
| 18:59.14 | flolo_new | I am using twinview and the internet is full of people who want it the other way around |
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| 18:59.39 | TylerM | kde and the decorations used to run perfect for me.. but last couple months this one problem geting in the way |
| 19:00.37 | flolo_new | I dont know how to tell KDE that I have only "one" monitor |
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| 19:08.57 | QwertyM | HandyGandy: ? |
| 19:09.34 | Mooby-fr | they are broken plasmoids |
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| 19:26.27 | spectral | is there something like "compare folders" in dolphin? |
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| 19:39.06 | buntfalke | how to change qt3 settings with kde4? |
| 19:39.35 | Half-Left | qt3config most likely |
| 19:39.40 | Sho_ | buntfalke: qt3 used to include a "qtconfig" tool, your distro might have that as qtconfig-qt3 or qt3config or so |
| 19:39.41 | buntfalke | qtconfig "desktop settings" doesnt work |
| 19:40.06 | buntfalke | let's search |
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| 19:40.14 | dadada | hi |
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| 19:40.24 | buntfalke | might the settings be screwed because i accidentally deleted the .config folder? |
| 19:40.34 | dadada | do you know any method to start applications minimized or hidden, kde apps or linux in general? |
| 19:40.57 | buntfalke | dadada: kstart |
| 19:42.58 | dadada | buntfalke: I'm running kde apps in openbox WM |
| 19:43.15 | dadada | and it seems kstart is destroying the order of windows there |
| 19:43.32 | buntfalke | hehe, weeeell - you're doomed then ;-) |
| 19:43.39 | dadada | MEH |
| 19:43.49 | buntfalke | no, srly - might be possible, i just dunno how |
| 19:44.00 | Sho_ | doubts that's kstart's fault |
| 19:44.28 | dadada | what I want to do is starting kmail but not having to see it, except in the systray |
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| 19:44.44 | Sho_ | kmail has options for that I think |
| 19:44.57 | dadada | systray yes, but the rest I don't find |
| 19:46.29 | buntfalke | kwin would allow for that, too... |
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| 19:49.12 | JohnWelborn | Is there a fix or a bug ticket open for how setting the tab title in konsole via dbus will revert after a few seconds? "qdbus org.kde.konsole $KONSOLE_DBUS_SESSION setTitle 1 test" |
| 19:50.26 | JohnWelborn | it happens with foresight, kde 4.3.1, konsole 2.3.1 |
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| 19:52.57 | Torch | JohnWelborn: the behaviour has not changed in kde 4.4 |
| 19:53.06 | JohnWelborn | Torch: thanks |
| 19:53.28 | JohnWelborn | There is mention of it here: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=83230 |
| 19:53.31 | JohnWelborn | but I don't see a ticket yet |
| 19:53.43 | Torch | JohnWelborn: no idea. i haven't checked bugs.kde.org. |
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| 19:54.24 | detrate- | can I define dimensions of desktop "activities" ? |
| 19:56.03 | JohnWelborn | This one mentions it: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183963 |
| 19:56.20 | JohnWelborn | however I can rename manually and it stays |
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| 19:57.05 | Torch | JohnWelborn: same here in 4.4 |
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| 19:58.28 | buntfalke | so kde3 offers no qt3 related things at all anymore, right? |
| 19:58.33 | buntfalke | err, kde4 |
| 19:58.53 | buntfalke | i mean, no themes, configuration frontends, et cetera? |
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| 20:00.10 | cadthecoder | i have Could not create a python scriptengine for the blah blah plasmoid error |
| 20:00.19 | Torch | buntfalke: what are you looking for? |
| 20:00.21 | cadthecoder | im on fedora11 any help |
| 20:00.40 | Torch | cadthecoder: ask on #fedora. |
| 20:00.59 | buntfalke | Torch: a way to get a little less ugly qt3 apps on debian testing with kde4. they look like motif, and qtconfig-qt3 doesnt offer anything better (cde, motif, windows, ... styles only) |
| 20:01.29 | cadthecoder | Torch ive asked but couldnt get an answer |
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| 20:02.03 | Torch | buntfalke: it offers what's installed. kde4 has nothing to do with that, however. ask on your distro channel how to get qt3 styles. |
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| 20:02.44 | Torch | cadthecoder: patience helps. also, precise descriptions. "blah blah" sure isn't precise. |
| 20:03.10 | buntfalke | Torch: well - seems like the stuff's gone from deb testing |
| 20:03.10 | cadthecoder | i meant that part of error is varying. |
| 20:03.21 | cadthecoder | according to the name of plasmoids |
| 20:03.26 | buntfalke | i just wondered wether kde4 might hide some themes somewhere, in case they're needed :-) |
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| 20:03.45 | Torch | buntfalke: kde4 cannot help you in this case. it's completely independant from qt3. |
| 20:04.07 | Torch | cadthecoder: you've got installation or configuration problems if you get that. |
| 20:04.27 | cadthecoder | well, what should i look for? |
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| 20:05.28 | Torch | cadthecoder: you upgraded to a different kde version? |
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| 20:05.50 | Torch | cadthecoder: and you had plasmoids downloaded for your user (i.e. not installed from packages)? |
| 20:06.30 | cadthecoder | i ve used 'get new widgets' button for downloading |
| 20:06.42 | cadthecoder | and i did a yum update recently |
| 20:06.45 | Torch | cadthecoder: that's what i meant. |
| 20:06.49 | Torch | cadthecoder: ok, i see. |
| 20:07.23 | Torch | cadthecoder: there's a command line app called plasmapkg |
| 20:07.29 | Torch | cadthecoder: it will list and uninstall plasmoids |
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| 20:07.44 | Torch | cadthecoder: use it to uninstall anything you downloaded with "get new widgets" for your user |
| 20:07.55 | cadthecoder | ok im on it |
| 20:08.40 | cadthecoder | No package plasmapkg available. |
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| 20:09.07 | Torch | cadthecoder: it's an application, not a package |
| 20:09.16 | Torch | cadthecoder: you should have it already. just run it from a shell. |
| 20:10.10 | cadthecoder | i did then what should i do |
| 20:11.38 | cadthecoder | i can list my plasmoids but don know which one to remove |
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| 20:12.18 | Torch | cadthecoder: the one(s) you get the error message for |
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| 20:15.26 | cadthecoder | well interesting but, they are not on the list? |
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| 20:16.37 | cadthecoder | oh sorry it has a mixed cased name i found and removed it |
| 20:16.38 | cadthecoder | then? |
| 20:16.48 | Torch | cadthecoder: repeat for any plasmoid giving you the error |
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| 20:18.59 | cadthecoder | ok i did. |
| 20:19.13 | Torch | cadthecoder: now reinstall with the "get new widgets" feature |
| 20:19.21 | Torch | cadthecoder: hopefully the plasmoids will then work |
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| 20:20.06 | seme | hi guys |
| 20:21.09 | cadthecoder | Torch i doesnt work =/ |
| 20:21.18 | cadthecoder | still i see the same error |
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| 20:21.40 | seme | can anyone give me a hand with something... I'm trying to switch development to linux from windows... I used to be a unix admin (long long ago) but for many years I've been doing java and .net development... |
| 20:21.56 | cadthecoder | just to note, i ve experienced those errors in several distros. |
| 20:22.18 | seme | I am looking for recommendations on a good IDE that will allow me to program in java, c#, python, c/c++ and has profiling, debugging, UI development all built in |
| 20:22.26 | seme | and supported in the IDe |
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| 20:22.35 | Torch | cadthecoder: sorry to hear that. unfortunately if this doesn't help i cannot tell you what might. |
| 20:22.39 | cadthecoder | seme: go with NetBeans |
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| 20:23.10 | Torch | seme: KDE offers kdevelop.- |
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| 20:23.18 | seme | ideallyit would also have integrated support for php on apache, java enterprise dev on a app svr, and asp.net on mono |
| 20:23.34 | Torch | seme: if that is not what you're looking for (from the .net and java requirements it probably isn't), this is totally off topic here. |
| 20:23.36 | lamdk | anyone know the key to switch between same application window in kde4.4? |
| 20:23.39 | urkud | seme: just add all this to kdevelop |
| 20:23.46 | seme | he hee |
| 20:24.00 | Torch | seme: you're indeed asking on the wrong channel |
| 20:24.06 | seme | he hee |
| 20:24.28 | seme | well I asked here b/c I thought you guys may be able to recommend.... given your experience but yes it is off topic... |
| 20:24.44 | seme | I tried kdevelop but that isn't working on ubuntu right now |
| 20:25.21 | seme | kdevelop 4 isn't ready yet and the kdevelop 3.5 on ubuntu 9.10 thing is a bit much |
| 20:25.37 | Torch | seme: kdevelop4 works fine for me |
| 20:25.45 | Torch | seme: don't use the one from kubuntu, though |
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| 20:25.58 | seme | Torch: do you do python or java dev on it? |
| 20:26.06 | Torch | seme: no, kde. |
| 20:26.11 | seme | i compiled kdevelop4 from src and it didn't have much in it |
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| 20:26.33 | seme | I didn't have time to figure out how to compile all the different modules (I think that is what I needed) |
| 20:26.39 | Torch | seme: i have no idea how mature its python support is. java probably not that much... |
| 20:26.43 | sreich | kdev4 works perfectly for me too |
| 20:26.48 | sreich | (in C++) |
| 20:27.02 | seme | yeah kdev4 on c++ looked ok... no ui in the src build though |
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| 20:27.12 | Torch | seme: no... what? |
| 20:27.31 | sreich | ui in the src build? |
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| 20:27.58 | seme | when I built it from src I didn't see any way to build UI's |
| 20:28.04 | cadthecoder | Torch: so nothing to do? |
| 20:28.08 | Torch | seme: that's what qtdesigner is for. |
| 20:28.23 | Torch | cadthecoder: i cannot help you, sorry. that doesn't mean there's no way. |
| 20:28.23 | seme | I could load the qtdesigner app but that was seperate |
| 20:28.30 | Torch | seme: so? |
| 20:28.36 | seme | is that how most people do it... they use one app to design the UI and another for the other code? |
| 20:28.42 | seme | everything seperate? |
| 20:28.50 | cadthecoder | Torch: thanks anyway |
| 20:28.51 | Torch | seme: well, i spend 99% of my time in kdevelop. |
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| 20:29.03 | Torch | seme: qtdesigner is great, but it's a very small part of development. |
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| 20:29.09 | Torch | seme: so nothing wrong with it being separate. |
| 20:29.18 | Torch | seme: if you want perfect integration, try qtcreator |
| 20:29.51 | seme | ok... does qtcreator support non-qt development.. meaning kde development or java/python/php? |
| 20:29.58 | sreich | Torch: seme: I don't use the designer at all really |
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| 20:30.10 | seme | I see |
| 20:30.16 | sreich | seme: yes (dunno about non-C++ languages) |
| 20:30.17 | Torch | seme: it's nokia's qt ide... |
| 20:30.29 | seme | ok well so far... netbeans has almost all of what I was looking for outside of the UI designer |
| 20:30.42 | Torch | seme: if you're not interested in kde development, ask somewhere else, really. |
| 20:30.46 | sreich | I write all of my ui's in code, as usually that's all that can be used anyways, when you have stuff that has to be resolved on the fly |
| 20:30.49 | seme | kdevelop looks great in theory but I wasn't able to get it to work well (I'll try again tonight) |
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| 20:31.06 | Torch | seme: forget the kubuntu packages, they're old and broken |
| 20:32.18 | seme | basically I'm realizing that the distros all pretty much blow at packaging the apps... they should focus on the core OS, desktop and a generic set of common libs accross the distros... and let the app developers put together the packages :) |
| 20:32.32 | Torch | seme: only that they don't. |
| 20:32.43 | Torch | seme: i've been packaging one of my apps when it was new. |
| 20:32.46 | Torch | seme: not fun. |
| 20:32.52 | seme | he hee |
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| 20:34.12 | Torch | seme: distro's suck at packaging when they do a sloppy job. simple as that. |
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| 20:34.32 | Torch | seme: or make a decision to package something from svn without talking to the dev first. |
| 20:35.25 | seme | ok thats it... I have it... the answer is "Create another distro" j/k ;-) |
| 20:35.31 | seme | this time it will be done right!!! |
| 20:35.33 | seme | he hee |
| 20:35.35 | seme | ok thanks guys |
| 20:35.44 | seme | I'll try kdevelop again and qtcreator and see if they work |
| 20:35.45 | seme | :0 |
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| 20:56.47 | Sikksens | Hey! does anyone know if I could install Choqok on PC-BSD? |
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| 20:57.27 | urkud | Sikksens: You can try |
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| 20:58.33 | Sikksens | I know it uses KDE4 but dont see any unix installers.. |
| 20:58.33 | summel | is there a ftps client in qt4? or a kio slave for dolphin? oO |
| 20:59.04 | Torch | summel: no. (didn't you ask that already a couple of weeks ago?) |
| 20:59.22 | urkud | Sikksens: What do you mean by "unix installer"? |
| 20:59.24 | summel | no i didnt |
| 20:59.30 | summel | why isnt there one? -_- |
| 20:59.38 | urkud | mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..; make; make install |
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| 20:59.53 | Sikksens | All the installers are for linux.. |
| 21:00.06 | urkud | You need *sources*, not installer |
| 21:00.08 | Torch | summel: sorry then. no, there isn't. there used to be some project on kde-apps.org, but it's not maintained IIRC |
| 21:00.19 | Torch | summel: no one uses ftps, that's why. use sftp. |
| 21:00.31 | summel | i dont have a choice... |
| 21:00.36 | Sikksens | Oh I need Cmake too! lemme try it! |
| 21:00.43 | summel | yes most stuff on kde-apps is unmanitained -_- |
| 21:01.35 | urkud | summel: if you have no choice, write kioslave. It should not be too hard if you have some ftps library. |
| 21:01.45 | summel | i am not a programmer :( |
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| 21:02.20 | Torch | writing a kio slave is not trivial. |
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| 21:02.32 | urkud | Sorry |
| 21:02.35 | summel | thought so ^^ |
| 21:02.45 | Torch | summel: there |
| 21:02.48 | Torch | oops |
| 21:02.54 | Torch | summel: no chance for sftp? |
| 21:03.06 | summel | its not my server |
| 21:03.09 | summel | :/ |
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| 21:03.18 | summel | i guess i have to install gtk2 then >_> |
| 21:03.28 | urkud | Try looking for fuse ftps:/ |
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| 21:06.25 | Half-Left | gah, kdelook's file limit bad small :/ |
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| 21:09.20 | summel | kftp is also unmaintained? oO |
| 21:10.56 | Torch | summel: looks kde4-ish from the screenshots at least |
| 21:11.13 | summel | last release is from 2007 oO |
| 21:11.26 | Torch | summel: yeah, saw that. as long as it works, who cares. |
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| 21:11.51 | Torch | nahh, wait, that's not kde4 |
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| 21:12.27 | summel | :D |
| 21:12.44 | summel | so no gui client for kde4 then :/ |
| 21:13.09 | Torch | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=35875 |
| 21:13.13 | Torch | summel: that's the kioslave |
| 21:13.24 | Torch | summel: you might try if it works for you |
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| 21:16.29 | Torch | looks at the source code. |
| 21:16.30 | Torch | well. |
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| 21:17.58 | Sho_ | Torch: Are you interested in moving partition manager to kdeutils or kdeadmin one day? |
| 21:19.11 | Torch | Sho_: hmm. why are you asking? |
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| 21:19.54 | Sho_ | Torch: Just out of the blue, really. I think it might be a good idea to spread it around more. |
| 21:20.18 | Torch | Sho_: it depends on libparted. libparted is linux-only. (dunno if there's a working *bsd-version) |
| 21:20.26 | Torch | Sho_: solid to the rescue... then we talk ;-) |
| 21:21.57 | Sho_ | Torch: There are plenty of apps in the core modules we don't enable for build on all our target platforms, though, and if a core module app would be in need of Solid additions to cover more of them that might spur Solid development |
| 21:22.20 | Sho_ | Torch: For example the BSD people might suddenly get interested in that, or so. |
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| 21:22.45 | Sho_ | (whoops, we're not on -cafe) |
| 21:22.53 | Torch | Sho_: no. |
| 21:22.59 | Torch | Sho_: i was wondering why you were asking here ;-) |
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| 21:23.17 | sreich | hehe, yeah.. :) |
| 21:23.39 | Torch | Sho_: on the other hand, everything related to partition manager is of general interest to any kde user ;-) |
| 21:23.41 | Sho_ | Torch: I guess I usually see you talk in -cafe and when I saw those lines from you up there I somehow figured we were there ;) |
| 21:24.00 | Sho_ | You know me, IRC noob and all. |
| 21:24.17 | Torch | Sho_: yeah, newfangled stuff, that IRC things. |
| 21:24.33 | Torch | Sho_: you should one day deal with it in detail. maybe write an app... |
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| 22:03.30 | PragmaticAnarchy | hello! |
| 22:04.10 | PragmaticAnarchy | hey do u ppl know if blur effect is present on kde4.4? |
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| 22:08.36 | bourn3 | hey how can i start netbook view in kde 4.4? |
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| 22:12.38 | sreich | bourn3: syssettings->desktop->workspace->form factor |
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| 22:20.41 | vjoe | hey dudes |
| 22:20.56 | bourn3 | thanks sreich! |
| 22:20.59 | vjoe | is it possible to have a mac like taskbar in kde? |
| 22:21.12 | vjoe | in which no windows have a title bar, cause it is in the taskbar |
| 22:21.48 | urkud | Are you talking about taskbar, or menus? |
| 22:22.10 | urkud | Windows on MacOS have title bars (AFAIR) |
| 22:22.12 | vjoe | the thing at the top |
| 22:22.30 | Torch | vjoe: no menubar? |
| 22:22.41 | urkud | This is "global menu". Possible with bespin style (I haven't tested). |
| 22:22.57 | vjoe | something like awesome is also pretty cool |
| 22:22.58 | vjoe | http://awesome.naquadah.org/images/screen.png |
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| 22:23.14 | vjoe | the terms and the webrowser have no title bar |
| 22:23.21 | vjoe | because it is at the top in the taskbar |
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| 22:24.32 | cb400f | kwin in 4.5 will have tiling |
| 22:24.43 | cb400f | and plasma-netbook hides titlebars |
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| 22:30.17 | PasNox | hi |
| 22:30.35 | PasNox | is there some know problem with mdi in KDE 4.4 with oxygen style ? |
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| 22:31.05 | PasNox | my program is using QMdiArea and if i use oxygen style it's slow down so much |
| 22:31.12 | PasNox | when i change style and restart all is ok |
| 22:31.24 | PasNox | i was not having this problem with kde 4.3 |
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| 22:34.57 | abstract3d | hi |
| 22:35.34 | abstract3d | i installed networkmanager but i cannt find the programm :$ i have restarted dbus, i have started networkmanager daemon but i cant find the "executable" |
| 22:36.24 | thiago_home | abstract3d: wrong channel |
| 22:36.29 | thiago_home | please ask in your distribution's channel |
| 22:36.57 | Starwatcher | hi all, is there a way to get knemo to see a usb modem? |
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| 22:51.15 | d-fens_ | hi, whats needed to get a text spoken via a speech synthesizer? |
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| 22:58.34 | dadada | how do you start krunner's top equivalent directly? |
| 22:59.05 | urkud | ctrl-esc? |
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| 22:59.56 | dadada | urkud: I want to integrate it in a menu... so I need a command |
| 23:00.07 | urkud | Ah |
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| 23:00.38 | d-fens_ | ksysguard |
| 23:01.17 | dadada | thanks!!! |
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| 23:02.01 | urkud | ksysguard is more than this thing krunner starts |
| 23:02.14 | d-fens_ | its just the process part |
| 23:02.25 | dadada | but it's better ^^ |
| 23:02.42 | dadada | so no problem, if it would show fewer things it would be a problem |
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| 23:03.32 | urkud | This: qdbus org.kde.krunner /App org.kde.krunner.App.showTaskManager |
| 23:03.46 | urkud | tells krunner to open "task manager" |
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| 23:04.33 | dadada | urkud: thanks, also very good info |
| 23:05.07 | urkud | You can do many things with qdbus ;) |
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| 23:08.03 | dadada | urkud: is there a wiki or something that lists all useful kde dbus calls? examples? |
| 23:08.40 | sreich | no need |
| 23:08.50 | d-fens_ | qdbusviewer is your friend |
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| 23:08.51 | sreich | just use qdbusviewer |
| 23:08.56 | sreich | or run qdbus from terminal |
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| 23:10.01 | dadada | k |
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| 23:29.09 | detrate | can I define the dimensions of an activity in kde 4.4? |
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| 23:29.41 | urkud | What do you mean? |
| 23:29.56 | urkud | Every activity occupies full screen if active |
| 23:30.09 | urkud | (or have I missed something?) |
| 23:30.33 | urkud | Do you want to change your screen resolution when changing activities? |
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| 23:31.47 | detrate | yes, can I have it occupy more? |
| 23:31.50 | detrate | I have dual monitors |
| 23:31.56 | detrate | and I'd like the activity to span both |
| 23:32.05 | detrate | mostly because when I do the desktop grid, everything gets all confusing |
| 23:32.23 | detrate | I explain my situation more in depth here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416445 |
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| 23:33.25 | tyler-wylie | Hi |
| 23:34.36 | binarylooks | detrate: do you have the system settings > Desktop > Multiple Desltops > Different activity... enabled? |
| 23:34.39 | tyler-wylie | KDE 4.4 is win |
| 23:34.48 | binarylooks | tyler-wylie: ? |
| 23:35.09 | detrate | yes, binarylooks because I needed to set the wallpapers to match to build my muscle memory on the strange behavior |
| 23:35.18 | detrate | but with or without, they still behave the same |
| 23:35.22 | detrate | as 8 virtual desktops |
| 23:35.55 | binarylooks | detrate: I also have dual monitors (nvidia) honestly, I gave up on configuring stuff. None of the developers (almost noen) have dual monitors, so everything is sort of shaky |
| 23:36.09 | detrate | sighs |
| 23:36.17 | detrate | so many good things too... |
| 23:36.20 | binarylooks | I use one monitor with folder views and a panel to launch and organize stuff anf one with all my open windoes |
| 23:36.29 | detrate | but this is really very hurtful to my workflow |
| 23:36.45 | detrate | maybe I'll use compiz + kde 4.4 instead.. |
| 23:36.51 | detrate | though I love how desktop grid works |
| 23:37.01 | binarylooks | one to work, one to sometimes glimpse at (quassel, notifications, clock) |
| 23:37.03 | detrate | with the 'expose' like effect inside of the grid |
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| 23:37.42 | binarylooks | detrate: you can use compiz instead of kwin. I am not sure how this would work out though |
| 23:37.51 | detrate | binarylooks: we should pitch in together to buy a developer a second monitor :-P |
| 23:38.00 | binarylooks | detrate: how do u intend to use the activities on your monitors then? |
| 23:38.11 | detrate | binarylooks: I described it in my thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416445 |
| 23:38.14 | binarylooks | detrate: I actually thought about that too |
| 23:38.25 | binarylooks | detrate: reding... |
| 23:38.29 | binarylooks | reading... |
| 23:38.33 | detrate | binarylooks: I'm serious, I will donate money to get this feature |
| 23:38.48 | detrate | it is essential to my workflow |
| 23:39.03 | detrate | spliting my mind across monitors everytime I go to desktop grid makes me ill |
| 23:39.16 | binarylooks | detrate: there are many bugreports about that on bko (bugs.kde.org) |
| 23:39.39 | detrate | on dual monitors? |
| 23:39.48 | detrate | I haven't seen any bug reports on this |
| 23:40.46 | binarylooks | detrate: you should read chani's latest posts. let me get the website... |
| 23:40.52 | detrate | okay, thanks |
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| 23:41.33 | binarylooks | detrate: http://chani.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/the-limits-of-virtual-desktops/ |
| 23:42.40 | detrate | isn't that where he is basically saying the behavior I wish for won't be implemented? |
| 23:42.42 | detrate | or am I confusing it |
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| 23:43.34 | detrate | hmm, this might be different |
| 23:44.13 | sreich | detrate: Chani == she ;-) |
| 23:44.17 | detrate | >_, |
| 23:44.21 | binarylooks | detrate: chani = she :-) |
| 23:44.21 | detrate | >_< |
| 23:44.36 | sreich | binarylooks: no assignment to const! :) |
| 23:44.43 | detrate | :-P |
| 23:44.56 | binarylooks | sreich: is genre really a const nowadays? |
| 23:45.01 | binarylooks | sreich: :-) |
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| 23:45.25 | binarylooks | detrate: well, I think you are right. Honestly, I donot really understand why they don't separate it |
| 23:45.26 | sreich | genre? don't you mean gender? but yeah, good point hehe |
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| 23:46.06 | binarylooks | sreich: hmm. where did gendre come from. Brain needs sleep I guess |
| 23:46.20 | binarylooks | I give up. typos all around and confusing brain |
| 23:46.22 | detrate | I think it's "rude" for lack of a better word, to assume the user wants a 1 to 1 relationship with activities and their monitors |
| 23:46.25 | sreich | binarylooks: hehe |
| 23:47.00 | binarylooks | detrate: many people hve gone and discussed with the developers. mainly aseigo. |
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| 23:47.33 | detrate | any suggestions on how I can grease the wheels? |
| 23:47.39 | binarylooks | detrate: no clear solution available. Sounds simple in my view. two monitors = one activity, but somehow it seems to not be simple at all |
| 23:48.04 | detrate | yeah, I was thinking about trying to hack up something in my xorg but I'm afraid it will try and treat my monitors the same |
| 23:48.06 | detrate | or worse |
| 23:48.15 | binarylooks | detrate: make a clear statement on why you need the feature, a nice screenshot and clear text in a good blgpost |
| 23:48.16 | detrate | when I maximize, maximize to both monitors |
| 23:48.27 | detrate | isn't that what I did on ubuntu forums? :-P |
| 23:48.48 | detrate | I mean, I guess I can spice it up and put it on my blog |
| 23:48.58 | detrate | do I then share it on kde forums instead? |
| 23:49.09 | binarylooks | detrate: I undestand it, because I have two monitors, but somebody who is used to one monitor porbably doesn't. I'm sorry, I do not have a solution |
| 23:49.33 | binarylooks | detrate: try brainstorm on kde forums |
| 23:49.39 | detrate | well I appreicate the empathy, advice and discussion |
| 23:49.55 | detrate | I felt like I was going crazy alone for a while |
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| 23:50.29 | detrate | [k]ubuntu 10.04 comes out in april and I'd like to have a firm decision about going forward with KDE by then |
| 23:51.25 | binarylooks | detrate: I can only say I love KDE. But that doesn't really matter that much :-) |
| 23:51.58 | binarylooks | detrate: good luck, and keep an open mind. gnome is good, kde is good, you just have to feel which one fits you best |
| 23:51.58 | detrate | :-P |
| 23:52.29 | detrate | honestly, I hated kde 4.0-4.3, too buggy, missing too many features for me.. but 4.4... was enough to make me seriously consider dropping gnome all together |
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| 23:52.52 | detrate | and I do think that qt is the future |
| 23:53.02 | detrate | especially with www.meego.com in the game |
| 23:53.18 | binarylooks | detrate: I'm with you there. wait a sec, I'll show you a cool plasma mobile video... |
| 23:53.22 | tyler-wylie | detrate: I've gone full KDE after 4.3.5, i just wish there was a libpurple IM client written in QT |
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| 23:53.48 | binarylooks | http://www.youtube.com/user/maybenotmart#p/a/u/0/kRsh-jjIPK8 |
| 23:54.09 | detrate | tyler-wylie: I still use pidgin |
| 23:54.14 | detrate | and actually gnome-terminal LOL! |
| 23:54.25 | detrate | but that's just because I installed 4.4 from backports PPA |
| 23:54.31 | tyler-wylie | detrate: I love kopete but it doesn't work with my company's openfire jabber server |
| 23:54.32 | detrate | so I had gnome and all that already |
| 23:54.41 | detrate | tyler-wylie: why not just use pidgin? |
| 23:54.45 | detrate | don't want no gtk? |
| 23:54.53 | tyler-wylie | detrate: I am using pidgin, I hate pidgin |
| 23:54.57 | detrate | :-P |
| 23:55.07 | tyler-wylie | detrate: Kopete can import adium message styles, looks much better |
| 23:55.10 | detrate | binarylooks: I played with similar devices at CES, definitely like that form factor |
| 23:55.15 | detrate | I would kill for a nokia n9000 |
| 23:55.16 | detrate | -0 |
| 23:55.31 | detrate | tyler-wylie: there is always empathy :-P |
| 23:55.40 | tyler-wylie | detrate: gtk is blech |
| 23:55.40 | detrate | (I think empathy sucks) |
| 23:55.55 | detrate | konversation is the main reason I'm even in KDE today :-P |
| 23:56.03 | binarylooks | detrate: I want a notion ink adam with plasma. :-) |
| 23:56.10 | detrate | mainly because gnome failed at drawing the window decorations sometimes :-P |
| 23:56.14 | binarylooks | or something similar |
| 23:56.25 | tyler-wylie | detrate: Kopete is the superior client minus not working with openfire jabber server |
| 23:56.38 | detrate | tyler-wylie: I only use AIM, so I don't really care |
| 23:56.41 | detrate | I take IRC more seriously |
| 23:56.53 | detrate | 3/4 of my buddylist for AIM doesn't even sign on anymore |
| 23:56.59 | detrate | all those people use facebook chat |
| 23:57.01 | detrate | NO THANK YOU |
| 23:57.02 | tyler-wylie | yea, but for work I need to be in our jabber server soooooooooooo |
| 23:57.20 | detrate | tyler-wylie: does jabber work with bittle bee? |
| 23:57.35 | detrate | http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/news.r.html |
| 23:57.37 | detrate | sorry, that |
| 23:57.39 | tyler-wylie | It's a bug with qca-tls I think though, psi doesn't work either |
| 23:57.53 | detrate | maybe you can get an updated version from a ppa |
| 23:58.00 | detrate | or compile yourself ;-P |
| 23:58.01 | tyler-wylie | detrate: using Fedora atm |
| 23:58.05 | detrate | ah, I'm sorry. |
| 23:58.11 | tyler-wylie | detrate: Tried a few different versions |
| 23:58.27 | detrate | fedora is the cause of your errors :-P |
| 23:58.32 | detrate | just kidding.. but sorta not.. |
| 23:58.40 | detrate | last time I tried fedora, it didn't even find my NIC... |
| 23:58.41 | urkud | Have you filed a bug report? |
| 23:58.46 | detrate | which is like 3 years old |
| 23:58.59 | detrate | ubuntu had no problem, nor slax |
| 23:59.16 | detrate | err, I'll bbiab |
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| 23:59.34 | tyler-wylie | urkud: I'm getting close to, I'm not able to get any debug information from the server's admins because well, they're pretty overworked as is |
