| 00:00.46 | rdieter | gnumdk: akonadi, in general, is supposed to start on demand (ie, start only when needed) |
| 00:01.08 | rdieter | so it doesn't "start with kde" by design |
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| 00:12.04 | PovAddict | how do I stop dolphin from trying to show thumbnails of remote folders? |
| 00:12.17 | PovAddict | I opened smb:/something and it took forever to download pictures to show the thumbnail |
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| 00:14.12 | xirdneh | Hi there... i just instlled kde and i cant get sound in amarok. Even tho it works everywhere else. Any ideas? |
| 00:14.32 | PovAddict | define "everywhere else" |
| 00:14.37 | PovAddict | are the other working apps from KDE? |
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| 00:16.43 | xirdneh | PovAddict: yes if i try to play a CD with KsCD the sound works fine |
| 00:16.58 | xirdneh | Also the music in KDE boot and log off |
| 00:17.06 | urkud | PovAddict: Turn off thumbnails before opening smb:/ |
| 00:17.19 | urkud | There is a "thumbnails" button |
| 00:17.21 | PovAddict | urkud: oh right, I always forget about those toolbar buttons |
| 00:17.32 | PovAddict | (the "split window" button is great too) |
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| 00:18.08 | xirdneh | PovAddict: damn, now it doesnt work. I think i broke something. Let me see what i just installed |
| 00:18.24 | PovAddict | kde 4.3? |
| 00:19.14 | xirdneh | PovAddict: yep 4.3.4 |
| 00:19.29 | xirdneh | ita was working till the amarok installation... |
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| 01:41.33 | Izinucs | How do I find the version of java runtime that is installed currently? |
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| 01:48.30 | PovAddict | Izinucs: java -version? |
| 01:48.43 | Izinucs | PovAddict: I'll try |
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| 01:49.48 | Izinucs | PovAddict: thanks.. it shows OpenJDK runtime environment.. that isn't quite the same as the Java JRE is it? |
| 01:50.20 | PovAddict | uhh |
| 01:50.35 | PovAddict | that's like saying "it shows Konversation, that isn't quite the same as an IRC client is it?" |
| 01:53.56 | Izinucs | PovAddict: well... Java *is* open so I'm not sure if the repos just label it "OpenJDK" or if there are two completely different packages.. Actually it looks like Java version 1.6.0.0. is installed *and OpenJDK (IcedTea6.1.6.1).. arg.. |
| 01:54.21 | PovAddict | you're talking about "Java" as if it was a single specific product |
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| 01:55.27 | PovAddict | as far as I know, OpenJDK is just the open source version of Sun's JDK |
| 01:55.28 | Izinucs | the runtime environment.. |
| 01:56.23 | Izinucs | Well I guess this leads to more questions.. if I have the runtime environment for OpenJDK and Sun-Java-jre6.x.x.x will they conflict? |
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| 08:58.31 | Friesia | how can I record a desktop video? recordmysektop encodes some faulty file with a static picture |
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| 09:00.29 | x-demon | Friesia, iztanbul |
| 09:00.46 | x-demon | oh, istanbul |
| 09:01.04 | Friesia | thanks, I'll try this |
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| 09:08.25 | lukeaar | is there any way to get some kind of notification for unread RSS in Kontact's summary page? |
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| 09:19.04 | Friesia | x-demon, where does istanbul save the file? |
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| 09:19.28 | x-demon | Friesia, dunno, check settings |
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| 09:57.00 | kriko | http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2010/02/07/why-i-wont-use-kde-4 <- ok, I hate people blogging on planet gnome how kde4 sucks. He is ranting about issues that are not kde related or configurable |
| 09:57.10 | kriko | and offcourse he disabled comments |
| 09:57.25 | egns | it's the gnome way. :D |
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| 09:59.26 | kriko | oh, the post showed also on planet kde |
| 09:59.44 | kriko | he is being sarcastic or what. Where can I reply to him? |
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| 10:00.00 | thiago_home | write a blog |
| 10:00.01 | Half-Left | kriko: Yep, the text rendering issue is an NVIDIA driver issue, which is fixed in the latest beta as said |
| 10:00.06 | nielsvm | kriko, egns: i find it rather disturbing that this guy starts talking about people being druk etc... |
| 10:00.09 | thiago_home | but do address his issues in a constructive manner |
| 10:00.14 | nielsvm | drunk |
| 10:00.16 | thiago_home | the power consumption thing is actual |
| 10:00.32 | kriko | yes, so you create a power profile when not plugged on AC |
| 10:00.37 | thiago_home | I did |
| 10:00.38 | kriko | without desktop effects |
| 10:00.40 | thiago_home | it's not enough |
| 10:00.51 | thiago_home | to conserve more power, I need to quit kontact and plasma |
| 10:01.02 | kriko | plasma uses that much? |
| 10:01.24 | thiago_home | enough |
| 10:01.28 | Half-Left | What's much? |
| 10:01.45 | kriko | I'm thinking about 1/2 of autonomy less |
| 10:01.46 | thiago_home | it's just the highest application in the powertop list |
| 10:01.53 | thiago_home | over 60 wakeups per second, constantly |
| 10:02.01 | kriko | than normally in windows |
| 10:02.05 | thiago_home | oxygen is also SO wasteful |
| 10:02.12 | thiago_home | those progressbars cause a huge load on X |
| 10:02.26 | kriko | somenone adressed this issue to plasma devels? I don't have a laptop... |
| 10:02.28 | thiago_home | so don't write a blog in response to george unless you have ACTUAL solutions |
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| 10:03.00 | Tm_T | thiago_home: heh, indeed just flaming back doesn't do any good |
| 10:03.26 | Half-Left | Is there a bug report about this? |
| 10:03.29 | thiago_home | besides, george wasn't really ranting |
| 10:03.49 | kriko | it looked to me like a rant - he posted on planet gnome |
| 10:03.59 | kriko | like: look gnome people! |
| 10:04.04 | kriko | kde still sucks! |
| 10:04.23 | Half-Left | On planet gnome too? Ugh |
| 10:04.24 | kriko | so, are there bug reports about that power issues? |
| 10:04.32 | thiago_home | not that I know of |
| 10:04.36 | kriko | Half-Left: yes, top post still |
| 10:04.41 | thiago_home | I only found out this week |
| 10:04.47 | Half-Left | Well that's just no good is it |
| 10:04.53 | kriko | someone need to tell this with powertop logs |
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| 10:05.11 | thiago_home | how about I tell you which timer exactly it is? |
| 10:05.19 | thiago_home | it's the Animation Framework timer |
| 10:05.23 | thiago_home | there's an animation left running |
| 10:06.09 | kriko | Not me, I'm not plasma devel |
| 10:06.17 | Half-Left | It's like everything, the devs don't know if no one tells them or bug reports problems |
| 10:06.21 | kriko | bug report it properly |
| 10:06.23 | thiago_home | indeed |
| 10:06.32 | thiago_home | but, like I said, I've just found out |
| 10:06.38 | thiago_home | I was going to investigate some more when I had the time |
| 10:06.55 | pinotree | ... in 2014? :-P |
| 10:07.20 | thiago_home | usually it's just telling alexis about it |
| 10:07.49 | Half-Left | Well, it's seems like more of a problem than just the few issues |
| 10:08.04 | thiago_home | the konsole drawing problem we all know to be nvidia |
| 10:08.13 | Half-Left | Especially if it's posted on planet gnome as well |
| 10:08.20 | thiago_home | but we also know that we are not doing optmisations |
| 10:08.26 | thiago_home | speed, memory and power |
| 10:08.33 | thiago_home | we just aren't doing that |
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| 10:08.53 | kriko | there is a lot done about performance - compared to previous kde versions |
| 10:09.01 | kriko | however we are not there yet |
| 10:09.08 | Half-Left | Well, Aaron said something like this might happen for 4.5 |
| 10:09.11 | kriko | on nvidia 2d destkop is still slugish |
| 10:09.16 | thiago_home | yup |
| 10:09.26 | thiago_home | ok, let me retract what I said |
| 10:09.31 | thiago_home | we have started doing some optimisation work |
| 10:09.37 | thiago_home | but it's not there yet |
| 10:09.47 | thiago_home | and, besides, george has every right not to run KDE 4 |
| 10:09.59 | kriko | off course he has |
| 10:10.03 | Half-Left | Well of course he has |
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| 10:10.07 | Half-Left | :p |
| 10:10.11 | kriko | but posting on planet genome is just ... |
| 10:10.13 | kriko | *gnome |
| 10:10.33 | kriko | like he wants to throw a match into the gasoline |
| 10:10.59 | thiago_home | forget gnome, it's dead |
| 10:11.03 | Half-Left | It sounds like he has an agenda |
| 10:11.07 | kriko | there is gnome 3.0 |
| 10:11.08 | thiago_home | until they release gnome 3.2 or something |
| 10:11.11 | kriko | I like comeptition |
| 10:11.24 | thiago_home | 3.0 is going to cause some issues, like KDE 4 did |
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| 10:11.55 | kriko | is gnome 3 based on a more powerfull framework, or is it still that hackish gtk thing? |
| 10:12.08 | kriko | where you need 100 frameworks to do a simple job |
| 10:12.32 | thiago_home | gtk3 |
| 10:12.36 | kriko | if it is, then kde has some strong competition |
| 10:12.54 | kriko | otherwise it is just a desktop for dekstop computers |
| 10:13.05 | kriko | meanwhile kde is a platform for many things |
| 10:14.28 | thiago_home | don't forget the other environments |
| 10:14.30 | thiago_home | maemo, for example |
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| 10:19.21 | Half-Left | I've got to admit though. Amarok2 is pretty bad when it comes to resizing the window |
| 10:20.06 | Half-Left | It redraws the window with a flash on resize |
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| 10:21.02 | Half-Left | Oxygen is slower |
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| 10:21.57 | Half-Left | I've alos bug reported the systemsettings for being so slow in 4.4 |
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| 10:25.20 | kriko | Half-Left: number of your bug report? I would like to confirm / comment on it |
| 10:26.04 | Half-Left | They're having a having a hard time fixing it because it loads all of the modules rather than one |
| 10:27.24 | kriko | when you open systemsettings, it loads everything at start? |
| 10:27.40 | Half-Left | yep |
| 10:28.09 | Half-Left | That's why it's so slow at loading certain modules |
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| 10:28.28 | kriko | I seee |
| 10:28.32 | Half-Left | it should be 1 second load time for each one |
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| 10:29.10 | kriko | yes, it takes quite some time |
| 10:29.19 | kriko | and it feels sluggish due to that |
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| 10:30.34 | Half-Left | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222745 |
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| 10:32.59 | kriko | well it's already known |
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| 10:33.11 | kriko | maybe a redesign of control centre for 4.5? |
| 10:33.11 | Half-Left | yep |
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| 10:49.41 | rindolf | Hi all. I'm on Mandriva Linux Cooker and don't have the bookmarks icon menu in the KDE 4.3.98 open file dialog (for a long time now). How can I restore it? It's very annoying. |
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| 10:51.07 | Half-Left | Your mean Favourites menu with the star? |
| 10:51.43 | Half-Left | Or places? |
| 10:51.53 | rindolf | Half-Left: favourites menu, yes. |
| 10:51.55 | rindolf | Not places. |
| 10:52.18 | kriko | install plasmoid |
| 10:52.50 | kriko | probably it is among other kde packages |
| 10:52.53 | Half-Left | I'm not sure what you're referring in the file dialogue |
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| 10:53.18 | rindolf | Half-Left: I'm referring to the favourites menu. |
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| 10:54.22 | pinotree | click on the configuration icon on the top-right â show bookmarks? |
| 10:55.11 | rindolf | pinotree: nice! Thanks. |
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| 10:58.24 | Half-Left | thinks pinotree has been up longer than me |
| 10:58.45 | pinotree | gently rubs Half-Left's eyes |
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| 10:59.16 | Half-Left | Much needed thanks |
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| 11:27.57 | ziggurat | I don't know if this the right place for this question but here goes.... |
| 11:30.46 | thiago_home | that's the only way of finding out if it is :-) |
| 11:30.48 | ziggurat | Has anyone fixed the static member functions in Nepomuk::Query::Query and friends so thay may link outside kdelibs? |
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| 11:31.08 | ziggurat | in 4.4 |
| 11:31.22 | thiago_home | no, #kde-devel would be the place to ask |
| 11:31.42 | ziggurat | okeydokey. thanks! |
| 11:31.56 | pinotree | it has no static methods in trunk... |
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| 11:51.48 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 11:52.17 | Nebukadneza | i've got a kde-minimal (debian testing/unstable) problem. i've got compositing up and running with my nvidia on dualhead (xcompmgr working nicely). kde still thinks that "compositing is not available" |
| 11:52.22 | Nebukadneza | what could that be? |
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| 11:54.44 | Half-Left | Nebukadneza: Maybe as in #kwin |
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| 11:54.54 | Nebukadneza | kay, thanks |
| 11:55.30 | Ronis_BR | when I install kde 4.4, how can I reset all the configurations related to the plasma and the window manager but keep my programs data, like my emails? |
| 11:58.05 | Half-Left | delete the plasma-desktoprc and plasma-desktopappletsrc |
| 11:58.41 | Ronis_BR | Half-Left: only this? and things like the menu bar, the wallpaper and etc? |
| 11:59.11 | Half-Left | You might want to use the "Defaults" button in systemsettings>Window behaviour |
| 11:59.29 | Ronis_BR | ah |
| 11:59.35 | Half-Left | Ronis_BR: Plasma is the desktop workspace, so yes |
| 11:59.39 | Ronis_BR | Half-Left: isn't there a more simple way? :D |
| 11:59.57 | Half-Left | Not for plasma no |
| 12:00.14 | Half-Left | Deleting two files is simple :) |
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| 12:01.06 | Ronis_BR | Half-Left: yes, this is simples, try hit defaul on every configuration window is bad :) |
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| 12:02.01 | Half-Left | Everyone? |
| 12:02.21 | Ronis_BR | Half-Left: yes, I want to see default fonts, colors, desktop effects, etc |
| 12:02.44 | Ronis_BR | but I don't want to have my apps confs deleted :D that's why I won't delete .kde4 |
| 12:02.52 | Ronis_BR | it almost 5,5GiB of just emails |
| 12:03.43 | Half-Left | Just click default for each module |
| 12:03.56 | Ronis_BR | ;D |
| 12:03.59 | Ronis_BR | thanks |
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| 13:31.39 | mbana | how do i go to the fallback console |
| 13:31.46 | mbana | like CTRL+ALT+ one of the Fs |
| 13:32.05 | thiago_home | what fallback console? |
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| 13:35.09 | mbana | when kde crashes |
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| 13:38.22 | thiago_home | when KDE crashes, the X server restarts |
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| 14:00.09 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 14:00.27 | TomyLobo | what is kdepim? some of the description sounds like it's a replacement for kwallet |
| 14:00.33 | thiago_home | it's not |
| 14:00.41 | TomyLobo | good, then it's gone :) |
| 14:00.42 | thiago_home | it's the KDE module on personal information management |
| 14:00.46 | pinotree | PIM = Personal Information Management |
| 14:01.10 | thiago_home | kmail, knode, korganizer, kontact, kaddressbook, kalarm |
| 14:01.23 | pinotree | address book, email, alarm, organizer, etc |
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| 14:01.31 | thiago_home | knotes, kjots |
| 14:01.44 | TomyLobo | yeah, neither of which i need, since i dont manage these things on this computer |
| 14:01.57 | thiago_home | fair enugh |
| 14:02.04 | TomyLobo | and i never liked having a mysql server since installing kde4 |
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| 14:05.39 | TheCycoONE | Is the release schedule still right, things have been very hush (on the main page) for 2 days before release. |
| 14:07.22 | thiago_home | what did you expect to see on the main page? |
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| 14:09.22 | TheCycoONE | For KDE 4.3 there was a countdown banner |
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| 14:15.42 | TheCycoONE | iirc there was one for 4.2 as well |
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| 14:22.02 | Half-Left | Oh no, we're doomed! No count down banner. |
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| 14:27.00 | Half-Left | ~~]2 Days till KDE SC 4.4 becomes a reality![~~ |
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| 14:29.02 | TheCycoONE | Half-Left: sarcasm? |
| 14:29.58 | pinotree | TheCycoONE: he's a crazy artist, cannot be sarcastic |
| 14:30.23 | Tm_T | being artist in crazyness, yes |
| 14:30.37 | pinotree | or crazyness in art? |
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| 14:31.39 | Half-Left | Who knows....... |
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| 14:41.03 | Nebukadneza | oi |
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| 15:37.42 | bbear | hello. |
| 15:38.50 | bbear | is someone who knows how to put kmail in the miniature box ? |
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| 15:41.45 | gdebure | bbear: configuration > appearance > miniature box ;) |
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| 15:44.11 | bbear | perfect. Thank you very much mister gdebure. |
| 15:45.30 | bbear | I'm near to have a full kde desktop environment (juk+ktorrent+konversation+klipper+kmix+kmail+knotify) in te miniature box. |
| 15:46.46 | Sho_ | hehe :) |
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| 16:02.20 | bbear | back. |
| 16:02.38 | bbear | And how to start all this apps automatically in the miniature box when kde starts ? |
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| 16:03.19 | bbear | Because it could work to automatically start them, but I got the windows expanded, and I want to start with a clean desktop |
| 16:03.24 | bbear | Any idea ? |
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| 16:07.21 | jit | Hello KDE..:) |
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| 16:20.55 | srajesh | are there any kernel specific irc chatrooms? |
| 16:21.33 | Half-Left | try #linux |
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| 16:22.14 | srajesh | thanks @half-left |
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| 16:24.04 | laz0r | hi, is there some easy way to make konsole respect its -title argument under all circumstances? |
| 16:25.24 | laz0r | i don't want it to change its title at all, and it only does that when I start it from another konsole, but not when I start it from krunner (something similar) |
| 16:25.42 | laz0r | *or something similar |
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| 16:34.06 | bbear | it's not possible to open a tab from the history of konqueror, you have to open a new window. It's not very convenient. |
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| 16:35.20 | cb400f | you have konq configured to open stuff in tabs? |
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| 16:38.20 | lpjhjdh | do the plasma ruby bindings work with 1.9? |
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| 16:50.05 | panzi | hi |
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| 16:55.36 | rdale | lpjhjdh: yes the plasma ruby bindings work find with ruby 1.9 |
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| 17:05.12 | Nebukadneza | oi |
| 17:05.24 | Nebukadneza | the lock command does... nothing for me - without a error :/ what could that be? |
| 17:05.34 | thiago_home | what lock command? |
| 17:06.07 | Nebukadneza | from K-menu |
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| 17:11.55 | Wizard | hi |
| 17:12.06 | Wizard | will kde3 get patches and bugfixes? |
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| 17:12.22 | Wizard | and if so, how long |
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| 17:16.42 | sreich | Wizard: support for it was stopped some time ago...patches & bugfixes are at the developers discression...so not really. Although I thought that there were some (non-kde, I guess) people that were patching it |
| 17:17.08 | sreich | afik |
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| 17:21.15 | Wizard | sreich: thanks :> |
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| 17:21.40 | sreich | Wizard: although obviously we are not stopping anyone from doing so |
| 17:21.44 | lpjhjdh | rdale: hmm, I'm getting a strange error from the basic ruby tutorial |
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| 17:22.09 | rdale | what's that? |
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| 17:22.29 | lpjhjdh | ruby-test-applet/contents/code/main.rb:1:in `<top (required)>': undefined method `srequire' for main:Object (NoMethodError) |
| 17:22.38 | lpjhjdh | also my ruby development skills are merely theoretical |
| 17:24.14 | rdale | well it should be 'require' not 'srequire' |
| 17:24.55 | Tm_T | Wizard: I have some patches for KDE3 too, for example, but I see no point committing into it as there will be no new releases |
| 17:24.57 | lpjhjdh | oh, damn, I didn't even check that, thanks |
| 17:25.12 | lpjhjdh | also the stealth cashew plasmoid isn't working, says it can't load the ruby script engine |
| 17:25.41 | bbear | hello |
| 17:26.38 | bbear | I have many kio_http process open, each of them use 0.5% of memory, that is to say 10Mb. |
| 17:26.43 | bbear | Is it normal ? |
| 17:27.03 | rdale | lpjhjdh: do you have the ruby script engine installed then? |
| 17:27.16 | thiago_home | bbear: yes |
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| 17:27.36 | bbear | many nepomukservices also, with either 0.9 or 0.6%, that is to say near of 20~15Mb |
| 17:27.47 | thiago_home | so? |
| 17:28.03 | lpjhjdh | oh, maybe not, I assumed it was part of the ruby kdebindings |
| 17:28.06 | bbear | thiago_home: but it's enormous. I cant afford to have this process eating my memory. |
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| 17:28.12 | thiago_home | bbear: sure you can |
| 17:28.23 | thiago_home | bbear: how much of those 10 MB is shared between each of the kio_http processes? |
| 17:28.38 | rdale | lpjhjdh: the ruby script engine is in kdebase if you're building it yourself |
| 17:29.07 | lpjhjdh | cool, thanks |
| 17:29.10 | bbear | I dont know ⦠|
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| 17:29.27 | thiago_home | bbear: which means you're using the wrong tool to look at those numbers |
| 17:30.16 | bbear | well, it's about 90% of shared memory. |
| 17:30.31 | thiago_home | yes. Of the 10.5 MB, 9 is shared. |
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| 17:30.44 | Wizard | Tm_T: from the business point of viwe supporting kde3 for 2-3 years would be good decision |
| 17:30.52 | Wizard | view |
| 17:30.53 | thiago_home | Wizard: which business? |
| 17:30.59 | Wizard | dunno :) |
| 17:31.19 | thiago_home | from the community's point of view, supporting it would be a bad decision |
| 17:31.36 | sreich | indeed |
| 17:31.41 | Tm_T | from developers point of view, it would be nonsense if one doesn't want it to |
| 17:31.43 | Wizard | ok, never mind, i still dream about linux desktop :/ |
| 17:32.04 | Tm_T | Wizard: even if KDE3 isn't supported anymore, you can use it, it works very well |
| 17:32.07 | pinotree | what does it have to do with kde3? |
| 17:32.12 | sreich | you must be dreaming of archaic ideas... |
| 17:32.20 | Wizard | D |
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| 17:32.47 | Wizard | ok, thanks for interesting opinions |
| 17:33.59 | lpjhjdh | there are still too many weird other issues for linux desktop unrelated to the DE |
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| 17:46.44 | Wizard | lpjhjdh: sure :/ |
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| 17:48.28 | d1b | Wizard: kde isnt for most 'end' users. |
| 17:49.04 | d1b | other than opensuse imho not many distros package it properly |
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| 17:49.32 | Half-Left | Let's just have a Qt panel and menu for KDE4 and go back to the 90's, yay |
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| 17:50.07 | d1b | Half-Left: ?... |
| 17:50.22 | d1b | looonger: also windows isn't 'desktop' 'ready' either. |
| 17:50.48 | looonger | d1b: whaaaaaat? |
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| 17:50.52 | Goliath | i have a problem with a gnome app in kde . it says when i open it this is not a cvs folder if you didnt intend to use cervisia you can switch view modes within konqueror |
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| 17:50.58 | d1b | looonger: wrong guy |
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| 17:51.15 | d1b | lpjhjdh: also windows isn't 'desktop' 'ready' either. |
| 17:51.19 | looonger | d1b: no, I'm a good, guy, are you? |
| 17:51.50 | d1b | looonger: 'good' ? |
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| 17:52.02 | Goliath | any ideas? |
| 17:52.04 | looonger | d1b: almost an angel ;) |
| 17:52.47 | d1b | Goliath: does it work in gnome? |
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| 17:52.55 | Goliath | yes |
| 17:53.04 | Goliath | it doesnt even use cvs but svn |
| 17:53.24 | d1b | mm. upgrade to git! |
| 17:53.41 | Goliath | how? |
| 17:53.57 | d1b | never mind |
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| 17:54.18 | Goliath | anyway whats the solution |
| 17:54.19 | d1b | if you want an svn client try a native kde app |
| 17:54.29 | Goliath | i dont |
| 17:54.37 | Goliath | the app is xiphos |
| 17:54.43 | Goliath | a bible study tool for gnome |
| 17:54.51 | Goliath | and i get this cvs error on startup |
| 17:56.02 | d1b | mmm tell them about it or alert the apps code ... o dont know if http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=65928 is of any help |
| 17:56.18 | Goliath | they said |
| 17:56.23 | Goliath | it must be a kde-ism |
| 17:56.33 | d1b | rubbish |
| 17:56.38 | Goliath | [19:48] <charcoal> must be a kde-ism. there's no code in xiphos to do that. |
| 17:56.40 | Goliath | [19:49] <Goliath> if you didnt intend to use cervisia you can switch view modes within konqueror |
| 17:56.41 | Goliath | [19:49] <charcoal> we don't even use cvs in the first place. our source code control system is svn. |
| 17:57.07 | Goliath | anyway what does it mean "switch view modes within konq" what should i do to not get this error |
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| 18:00.58 | Goliath | d1b: any idea |
| 18:01.56 | d1b | Goliath: google?.... |
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| 18:10.57 | Goliath | d1b: |
| 18:11.01 | Goliath | how to remove cervisia |
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| 19:37.35 | Nebukadneza | hi again |
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| 19:40.26 | Nebukadneza | mhmm |
| 19:40.32 | Nebukadneza | two questions, i just installed kde4 ... |
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| 19:40.54 | Nebukadneza | i'm using a dualhead setup, i can't seem to switch to a window on the "other" screen using alt-tab, how can i change that behavior? |
| 19:41.29 | Scunizi | When synaptic or kpackagekit says you have sun-java6-jre 6-15-1 installed is that actaully version 6.0_15.1?? |
| 19:41.44 | lpjhjdh | is there a magic configuration making intel gpu's reasonably efficient with kwin's compositing effects? |
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| 19:43.34 | Nebukadneza | ah wait, got it :) |
| 19:43.37 | Nebukadneza | sorry :P |
| 19:44.21 | redsteakraw | Does anybody have a need for a Kpersonalizer for KDE 4? |
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| 19:45.13 | Nebukadneza | kpersonalizer? |
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| 19:52.36 | redsteakraw | it was the first time use configuration dialog for kde 3 |
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| 19:53.43 | cb400f | there are too many things wizards and tips popping up already if you ask me :-) |
| 19:54.02 | redsteakraw | this would be a one time thing |
| 19:54.26 | redsteakraw | that would do most of the work you would do anyways |
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| 19:55.02 | cb400f | 90% of users just want to use it as is.. the geeks will customize stuff later |
| 19:55.14 | cb400f | what kind of stuff do you envision should be there? |
| 19:55.54 | redsteakraw | I was thinking about asking what do you use Windows, Mac or other |
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| 19:56.11 | sreich | although I wonder how many users can figure out plasma easily, and how to use it...personally, I'm interested to see if having a guided-help kind of thing at first-start would be beneficial, in that regard |
| 19:56.33 | sreich | or how to get to the documentation easily, etc.. at least.. |
| 19:56.34 | redsteakraw | It would automatically configure kde act like what ever the person clicks |
| 19:56.49 | cb400f | people don't want to read stuff.. they'll just click next, next, next and be annoyed |
| 19:56.58 | sreich | heh, true |
| 19:57.14 | sreich | which I could never figure out..if a dialog pops up, why does a user just click OK? |
| 19:57.50 | cb400f | because they're busy? :-) |
| 19:58.06 | sreich | I don't think many pull into the local fast-food, says what they want, and if the teller asks a question they just speed to the next window :D |
| 19:58.07 | Half-Left | I will come and bone your wife..... click ok |
| 19:58.22 | redsteakraw | lol |
| 19:58.54 | sreich | honestly, you can apply that to many aspects of the daily life... you don't just charge in and not think about it |
| 19:59.44 | Half-Left | Or in Apple's case. 'To give up all of your rights, click next...' |
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| 20:00.49 | cb400f | maybe from experience they know that half the stuff that pops up is of no interest to them :-) |
| 20:01.18 | cb400f | like all the tip of the day or welcome blah, blah |
| 20:01.21 | sreich | yeah, fair enough |
| 20:01.44 | sreich | it does give a bad image to software..because software sucks so much :) |
| 20:01.49 | redsteakraw | what do you change when you get a fresh install of kde? |
| 20:02.16 | sreich | redsteakraw: personally, I don't think that's great for an average user |
| 20:02.22 | cb400f | not much these days.. add some widgets.. set separate dashboard.. change mouse to lefty |
| 20:02.29 | sreich | yep, that's about it |
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| 20:02.54 | sreich | I change the themes and such...and setup my devel stuff. that's honestly about it |
| 20:03.05 | Half-Left | Well, you have to help new computer users somehow but the elite KDE users don't like it |
| 20:03.05 | cb400f | of course I do a lot of little tweaks for individual apps |
| 20:03.38 | cb400f | Half-Left: it's the other way around.. new users don't like it.. they just want to start pointing and clicking using default settings asap |
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| 20:03.44 | sreich | yeah, but that's stuff that most people don't do, I would say |
| 20:03.49 | redsteakraw | What if there were preconfigured activities suited to the Average user's use cases |
| 20:03.55 | sreich | it's not something that you want to do right away; you don't even know if you like it or not |
| 20:04.11 | sreich | redsteakraw: yes, that is something that is going to be worked on |
| 20:04.25 | sreich | but that's a separate issue..entirely separate |
| 20:04.36 | redsteakraw | who is working on it? |
| 20:04.49 | sreich | uhm..kde developers.. |
| 20:05.17 | sreich | anyways, activities not only for average users...but to show off what exactly you can do with them, to give ideas to uncreative people(me) |
| 20:05.34 | sreich | but zui is dead anyways, so it will be presented in a different form.. |
| 20:05.40 | sreich | (in the future) |
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| 20:06.09 | Half-Left | Shame really |
| 20:06.16 | Nebukadneza | hu |
| 20:06.18 | Nebukadneza | thats really strange |
| 20:06.21 | sreich | Half-Left: not really |
| 20:06.54 | Nebukadneza | qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver Lock works perfectly while clicking the lock item in the k-menu doesn't |
| 20:06.57 | sreich | nepomuk's features are far more impressive, if I partially understand where they are going with it.. |
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| 20:07.18 | Half-Left | It could have worked it is was maintained well enough but it was too buggy and asked too much of Qt |
| 20:07.21 | redsteakraw | I also think that you can configure kde to look and act like *box, CDE, gnome, mac OSX and windows. The average user may want it to act like anyof those but to do that he/she would have to go through settings in 10 different places |
| 20:07.24 | Half-Left | if* |
| 20:07.50 | sreich | redsteakraw: and what *exactly* would it change? |
| 20:08.04 | sreich | how can you even "make kde act" like any of those? |
| 20:08.28 | sreich | and why would an "average user" want it to act like CDE? |
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| 20:08.37 | cb400f | I think it would be a support nightmare.. but distros would prolly turn the personalizer thingy off anyway |
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| 20:08.46 | sreich | yes, it would be a support nightmare |
| 20:08.52 | Half-Left | KDE is setup a lot like Windows anyway from a default layout perspective anyway |
| 20:09.00 | sreich | it just means another set of annoying options that we have to maintain.. |
| 20:09.15 | sreich | and the options that those options work with.. |
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| 20:09.35 | cb400f | if the default setup isn't good for most people.. then that should be fixed, not worked around by a confusing, scary wizard first time new users log in |
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| 20:09.44 | sreich | yep |
| 20:09.59 | sreich | kde3 was not very nice when it came to options..they were very scary |
| 20:10.42 | Half-Left | Well, it doesn't help when you keep changing the names of things really |
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| 20:10.50 | redsteakraw | so would you recomend if this were to be made to be seperate from KDE maybe in extragear |
| 20:12.03 | cb400f | if it were a systemsetting module that people could fire up later if they wanted that would do no harm |
| 20:12.29 | cb400f | but forcing people to read and decide a lot of stuff on first login is fail imho |
| 20:12.36 | sreich | although that seems kind of pointless, imo |
| 20:12.41 | sreich | yep |
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| 20:13.01 | sreich | the WinXP install screen is a decent example of annoyances |
| 20:13.06 | eshat | is KDE 4.4 going to be realeased the 10th feb. ??? |
| 20:13.18 | sreich | so is it's useless "Tour WinXP" thing |
| 20:13.18 | cb400f | 9th I should think |
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| 20:14.09 | eshat | cb400f: great, can't wait... |
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| 20:17.57 | mjansen | anyone any hints (url etc. ) for using kde4 with multiple monitors (2/3). Does it work? Which graphics card to use .... |
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| 20:19.45 | eshat | mjansen: I use the tool arandr... since KDE's krandr will support them properly in 4.4 which is not released yet |
| 20:20.05 | mjansen | eshat: 2 monitors? |
| 20:20.18 | eshat | mjansen: as many as your card supports |
| 20:20.42 | mjansen | i'm a noob in hardware. which vendors should i check? |
| 20:21.00 | mjansen | graphics card vendors |
| 20:21.04 | eshat | vendors for gfx cards or monitors ? |
| 20:21.18 | eshat | i have good experince with nvidia and intel |
| 20:21.22 | mjansen | thx |
| 20:21.26 | eshat | not tried ATI yet |
| 20:21.39 | eshat | but all of these three should work properly |
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| 20:22.59 | eshat | KDE support for encrypted devices is great |
| 20:23.31 | eshat | *de |
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| 20:39.45 | kriko | konversation still uses a lot of cpu when setting custom font in 4.4. |
| 20:39.47 | kriko | not good |
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| 20:43.01 | icwiener | kriko: You might want to ask in #konversation about the status of this issue. |
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| 20:45.06 | Nebukadneza | mh |
| 20:45.30 | Nebukadneza | does kde4 have a session management (aka i want this and that program with these windows to be opened here and there when kde starts up...)? |
| 20:46.59 | pinotree | of course |
| 20:47.17 | sreich | yeps |
| 20:48.29 | Nebukadneza | how do i tell it to save the current state? |
| 20:49.04 | kriko | on exit it saves |
| 20:49.04 | pinotree | did you set the manual session handling in system settings â advanced â session handling? |
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| 20:50.01 | Half-Left | saves pinotree to open next when I logs in |
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| 20:50.59 | Nebukadneza | pinotree: can't find setting to manual handling htere |
| 20:51.05 | Nebukadneza | just what to restore (last or manually saved) |
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| 20:51.25 | pinotree | "manually saved"? :) |
| 20:51.31 | Nebukadneza | oh, and ... can i somehow make the "desktop switch" splash stay shorter? |
| 20:51.34 | Nebukadneza | sure, but where to sav? |
| 20:51.36 | Nebukadneza | +e |
| 20:51.44 | pinotree | where? |
| 20:51.55 | Nebukadneza | where is the "save now" button |
| 20:51.57 | Nebukadneza | can't find it |
| 20:52.06 | pinotree | it will appear in the kmenu |
| 20:52.12 | Nebukadneza | thought it should be in the k-menu under "leave", but it isn't there |
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| 20:52.26 | Nebukadneza | sec |
| 20:53.12 | Half-Left | "Save Session" |
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| 20:54.00 | Nebukadneza | ah |
| 20:54.03 | Nebukadneza | appeared after re-login |
| 20:54.25 | Half-Left | it should appear instantly |
| 20:54.45 | Nebukadneza | it hasn't |
| 20:54.54 | Nebukadneza | had to log out and in again... |
| 20:54.55 | Half-Left | Mind you, I'm running 4.4 |
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| 21:05.11 | Nebukadneza | 4.3 |
| 21:05.13 | Nebukadneza | so :) |
| 21:05.34 | Nebukadneza | but ... any ideas how to make that "you've just changed from (virtual) desktop X to Y" dialog appear shorter? |
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| 21:09.48 | rahman | Hi. So its KDE SC 4.4 RC3 and polkit still not working. Is this is a packaging or kde bug? Will we see final release of 4.4 without polkit support? |
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| 21:10.12 | NaCl | wooo, that |
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| 21:16.53 | ghabit | Hello. I'm using kppp to internet connection. How to 'tell' kppp to use some fixed interface, ppp2 for example? |
| 21:17.28 | thiago_home | you don't. ppp creates the interface |
| 21:18.43 | ghabit | thiago_home: So I can't? Maybe 'pppd options' @ kppp's options can help? |
| 21:19.06 | thiago_home | do you see what you need in ppp's man page? |
| 21:21.00 | ghabit | thiago_home: No, I don't. |
| 21:21.10 | ghabit | But I still need to find some solution. |
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| 21:21.28 | thiago_home | yes, you need to find some solution |
| 21:21.31 | thiago_home | like not requiring ppp2 |
| 21:22.16 | ghabit | No, it is not solution. |
| 21:22.20 | ghabit | It is stupid alternative ) |
| 21:22.22 | thiago_home | it is |
| 21:22.38 | thiago_home | ppp creates the interface |
| 21:23.00 | thiago_home | do you see an option to tell it what the name of the interface should be? |
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| 21:24.52 | thiago_home | you also haven't explained why you think you need to use a specific name |
| 21:25.15 | ghabit | thiago_home: Check this http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/solution first. |
| 21:25.43 | ghabit | I need dpecific name because I need to control traffic inc|outg. |
| 21:26.00 | ghabit | I am using knemo for it, and cannot find any other usable software. |
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| 21:26.46 | ghabit | All other connections are managed with distro native configuration file ( conf.d/net ) with fixing pppN names. |
| 21:27.06 | thiago_home | ghabit: how about you use the name that ppp created for you? |
| 21:27.10 | thiago_home | if it changes, change your rules |
| 21:27.35 | ghabit | Sorry, cannot understand it. |
| 21:27.38 | thiago_home | I am giving you an alternative solution. |
| 21:27.43 | thiago_home | don't use static names |
| 21:27.55 | Nebukadneza | noone? :/ |
| 21:28.03 | ghabit | So advise me please some software for traffic statistics. |
| 21:28.23 | ghabit | Only with alternative to knemo your advice is useful |
| 21:28.33 | ghabit | Otherwise it is not a solution at all. |
| 21:28.59 | ghabit | kde have weak number of desktop applications for now. |
| 21:29.36 | thiago_home | it seems you have found two applications that don't work well with each other |
| 21:29.44 | thiago_home | there's nothing I can do |
| 21:30.05 | ghabit | Problem is this two applications is only available ) |
| 21:30.11 | thiago_home | ok |
| 21:31.27 | thiago_home | there's nothing I can do for you |
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| 21:34.35 | pinotree | thiago_home: (interesting, in the pppd manpage there is: unit num / Sets the ppp unit number (for a ppp0 or ppp1 etc interface name) for outbound connections.) |
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| 21:46.23 | ghabit | thiago_home: I have found needed option for pppd. |
| 21:46.29 | thiago_home | ghabit: good |
| 21:46.40 | ghabit | If I'm adding 'unit 2' in the kppp options. |
| 21:46.43 | ghabit | For pppd |
| 21:46.49 | ghabit | It connects through ppp2. |
| 21:46.58 | ghabit | But disconnects briefely. |
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| 22:32.01 | Raydiation | release coming out today? |
| 22:32.27 | pinotree | nope |
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| 22:50.07 | kriko | any recommended color schemes, which are not oxygen default? |
| 22:50.27 | sreich | we can't really recommend an opinion, I guess |
| 22:50.34 | sreich | but I prefer obsidian-based themes..since I like black |
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| 22:50.55 | sreich | although oddly enough, I like Air enough for me to be happy..maybe if there were a dark Air theme, that would be even more nice |
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| 22:52.40 | kriko | obsiadian - are those on kde look? |
| 22:52.54 | sreich | idk, they ship with it, depending on what you have installed |
| 22:52.58 | sreich | or just use GHNS |
| 22:56.46 | kriko | obsidian coast is nice |
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| 23:25.01 | tertitten | is there anyway to get Webcams working in kopete for the wlm/msn protocoll at all ? some hack or something maybe ? |
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| 23:25.32 | pinotree | tertitten: nope, it is not implemented |
| 23:26.22 | tertitten | pinotree: OK, thanks |
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| 23:32.59 | krushia | how stable is kiofuse? |
| 23:33.04 | krushia | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KioFuse |
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| 23:36.03 | fengshaun | does anybody remember the kde 4.0.0 plasma theme? Can I find it anywhere? |
| 23:36.13 | fengshaun | (can't find it in kde-look.org) |
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| 23:40.10 | krushia | fengshaun: you mean oxygen? |
| 23:40.32 | fengshaun | krushia: not the new oxygen! |
| 23:40.45 | krushia | newest is air |
| 23:40.46 | fengshaun | the one that had glass borders around it |
| 23:40.49 | krushia | which i don't like |
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| 23:40.55 | krushia | before that was oxygen |
| 23:41.07 | krushia | dunno waht was before that |
| 23:41.12 | fengshaun | the very old oxygen |
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| 23:42.34 | fengshaun | krushia: this: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/screenshots/desktop.jpg |
| 23:43.24 | krushia | well you can mix in other themes, like glassified |
| 23:43.37 | krushia | dunno what 4.0.0 had |
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| 23:43.49 | fengshaun | krushia: yeah, that could be possible! |
| 23:43.55 | fengshaun | thanks |
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