| 00:00.23 | magyar | I find Klingon sound very powerful and fascinating |
| 00:00.23 | magyar | -_- |
| 00:00.58 | devilsadvocate | :\ |
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| 00:18.24 | ydct | hola |
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| 00:26.11 | battlemidget | wish there was an updated perl interface to qt4 |
| 00:29.02 | FujiVickery | Does anyone know how to change the statusicons in kopete globally? |
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| 00:46.53 | infinull | FujiVickery: you mean like change: /usr/share/icons/{theme}/scalable/status/user-*.svgz ? |
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| 00:48.32 | pbn | HI in KDE 4.2.x I'd would like... whan my mouse is on the right of the screen, it will automatically go to the left of the next desktop... how could I do that ? |
| 00:50.41 | infinull | pbn: I believe it's: System Settings/Window Behaviour/Advanced/Active Desktop Borders |
| 00:51.24 | infinull | pbn: nope that's something else |
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| 00:52.29 | arrenlex | I have a monitor above and a monitor below. If I put a panel on both, I can't drag windows past the panel onto the lower monitor. How do I enable this? |
| 00:53.24 | Sebboh | Hi. I want some quick shortcut keys to control window tiling, like, some keypress to automagically immediately resize/move the current window to fill only the right half of the screen, or the lower left corner, etc. All of those options. What should I use to get that? |
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| 00:55.53 | hubar_ | question, what is the New Network Manager in KDE4.3 called? |
| 00:55.56 | infinull | Sebboh: try: System Settings/keyboard/Global keyboard shortcuts/kwin/pack* |
| 00:57.05 | Sebboh | hm |
| 00:57.52 | infinull | Sebboh: not quite what you want? I don't know another way (besides changing the window manager) |
| 00:58.31 | Sebboh | dunno yet, checking. I've used awesome and some random utility on windows--but for this machine I need kioslaves. :P |
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| 01:01.20 | Sebboh | infinull, it's close. Do you know how to combine these functions? Pack+grow combined might work. |
| 01:02.26 | infinull | Sebboh: I do not know ufortunately :-( |
| 01:02.53 | Sebboh | I'll play with it a bit. :) thanks for your help. |
| 01:03.20 | infinull | you're welcome |
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| 01:22.37 | Lars_G | Any idea what libs python based plasmoids need to run? |
| 01:22.42 | Lars_G | modules |
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| 01:28.53 | infinull | Lars_G: my understanding is that plasmoids are *.so files; so you'd need bootstrap (C++) code to load python; then again I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to deving |
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| 03:11.21 | dashcloud_ | Hi, I'd like to thank the KDE for an awesome 4.3 beta 1- it looks great, works very well, and smooths out many rough edges |
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| 04:18.37 | PovAddict | I noticed Kopete (0.12.7, kde3.5.10) had started showing text, like status notifications, in English |
| 04:18.53 | PovAddict | it had been showing everything correctly localized (in Spanish) before |
| 04:19.03 | PovAddict | so I restarted it |
| 04:19.17 | PovAddict | and it opened the wizard to connect to an IM service |
| 04:19.25 | PovAddict | apparently it lost all preferences |
| 04:21.24 | PovAddict | ok I found it actually kept my accounts... but it didn't connect on startup, and it asked me to add new account... |
| 04:21.39 | PovAddict | also, MSN connects and GTalk says "operation not recognized" |
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| 04:31.02 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 04:31.04 | luke-jr | Kate crashed |
| 04:31.10 | luke-jr | are my unsaved datas saved ANYWHERE? |
| 04:31.32 | PovAddict | did you close the crash report thingy yet? |
| 04:31.57 | luke-jr | it didn't open |
| 04:32.08 | PovAddict | oh so it just silently quit? |
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| 04:33.13 | luke-jr | PovAddict: yeah |
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| 04:39.40 | luke-jr | PovAddict: ...so?:/ |
| 04:39.48 | PovAddict | no idea |
| 04:39.52 | PovAddict | I use vim :) |
| 04:39.57 | luke-jr | -.- |
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| 05:05.56 | linuxguy12 | hey anyone know how to make konqueror save a url to a war archive from the command line? |
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| 05:20.30 | cool_walking_ | Is there any release plan for KDE on Windows? Is a "when it's working" kind of thing, or is it in a state that it can be released concurrently with the Linux version? |
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| 05:25.03 | MrGrim | cool_walking_: the windows team lost their builder.. he recently blogged about leaving the windows stuff for a while |
| 05:25.15 | cool_walking_ | ah |
| 05:25.17 | MrGrim | I'm not sure how large the team is and how quickly they can recover from a loss |
| 05:25.22 | MrGrim | but I'm sure they will |
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| 05:26.03 | MrGrim | the good news is he's still w/ kde |
| 05:26.09 | MrGrim | just playing for the other team for a bit :) |
| 05:26.10 | Macer | hello. i am getting horrible performance in kde4 on an intel 945 and was wondering if anybody can direct me to anywhere that can give me some help with the performance |
| 05:26.38 | Macer | i get 10fps from the 3d effects .. it's horrible |
| 05:26.49 | MrGrim | Macer: that's more in the area of distribution or X |
| 05:27.07 | MrGrim | not too much you can change about kde to improve that |
| 05:27.08 | GrueMaster | Could be the drivers. The Intel Graphics drivers are going through a major rewrite. |
| 05:27.08 | cool_walking_ | Well, if I had my choice I would only use KDE on Linux too. I just use Windows at work and being able to run KDE apps is very nice. |
| 05:27.16 | Macer | hm. well. it's kubuntu so i figured it was pretty straightforward. but thanks i will ask there |
| 05:27.34 | Macer | GrueMaster: yeah. i don't get nearly as bad of a performance hit in windows 7 .. it actually works quite well |
| 05:28.03 | Macer | but in kde4 it is just absolutely horrid |
| 05:28.07 | MrGrim | cool_walking_: I had the extreme pleasure of showing up to my first day at work w/ my employer sayig "here's your laptop. I didn't upgrade the vista basic license as I just assumed you'd probably install linux. Feel free to take the rest of the day to set it up." |
| 05:28.22 | Macer | almost like it's using mesa .. but it isn't. it is using the intel with direct rendering working |
| 05:28.36 | GrueMaster | macer, I know that this release of kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu has issues with the INtel drivers. they are working with Intel on a fix, and should hopefully get a tested release available soon. |
| 05:28.39 | cool_walking_ | MrGrim: Lucky :) |
| 05:28.46 | TheMoonMaster | Macer: Windows 7 probably has proprietary drivers for your card. |
| 05:28.50 | Macer | GrueMaster: oh. ok. thank you. |
| 05:28.54 | Macer | TheMoonMaster: i'm sure they do |
| 05:29.07 | TheMoonMaster | Thats why it's faster. |
| 05:29.09 | Macer | i was looking around to see if intel had any proprietary drivers i could use |
| 05:29.13 | Macer | for linux |
| 05:29.18 | TheMoonMaster | I don't believe so. |
| 05:29.29 | Macer | i don't either. :-\ kind of sucks. |
| 05:29.34 | MrGrim | cool_walking_: though I must admit having a cabinet full of msdn dvd's has got me trying out some microsoft stuff I've been ignoring for the past 10 years |
| 05:29.37 | Macer | i guess there is the alternative.. just build another computer |
| 05:29.51 | GrueMaster | The lead Intel developer for the linux graphics driver is also one of the lead X developers. It's all open. |
| 05:29.53 | Macer | but i like the shuttle k45 because it is incredibly small |
| 05:30.15 | Macer | GrueMaster: ah. so it isn't a matter of proprietaryness? |
| 05:30.16 | MrGrim | Macer: the open drivers are developed by intel. The open drivers are in a pretty good state now, but they can be tricky and an old distribution may not be new enough |
| 05:30.22 | GrueMaster | no. |
| 05:30.47 | Macer | MrGrim: i just installed and updated kubuntu. :) just so it would be an easy install of kde4 |
| 05:30.55 | TheMoonMaster | My eee uses intel but I don't use effects with it. |
| 05:30.58 | GrueMaster | You could try Intel's latest release. Not sure what the url is, but google it. |
| 05:31.12 | TheMoonMaster | http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ |
| 05:31.12 | Macer | hm. ok. i will look around for it. thank you. |
| 05:31.22 | TheMoonMaster | Thats it. |
| 05:31.30 | GrueMaster | yea, what TheMoonMaster said. |
| 05:31.39 | cool_walking_ | MrGrim: Great, so I can continue to ignore the msdn CDs in our cabinet for 8 more years then? ;) |
| 05:31.47 | MrGrim | Macer: to get decent performance from intel right now you really need kernel 2.6.29, mesa 7.4. xorg-server 1.6, intel-dri 7.4, and the 2.7 series if the intel driver |
| 05:32.07 | MrGrim | if your kubuntu is not equipped to that point you will likely run into performance issues |
| 05:32.12 | Macer | hm. i didn't even check to see what i was running now |
| 05:32.32 | GrueMaster | Now, if only we could get KDE4 to support dual monitors with separate desktops... |
| 05:32.54 | MrGrim | GrueMaster: I never understood that setup... not being able to drag windows between monitors makes my head hurt |
| 05:32.55 | Macer | well. i will work on that and see if i can update those things |
| 05:33.02 | GrueMaster | I have an nVidia 9600GT |
| 05:33.26 | MrGrim | GrueMaster: I'm not really sure what I'm suppose to infer from that |
| 05:33.31 | GrueMaster | I actually prefer it. On each monitor, I can have 4 separate desktops. |
| 05:33.41 | TheMoonMaster | I remember when I bought my laptop a while ago I was dead set on a nvidia card because I didn't want to get intel graphics for it. |
| 05:33.52 | TheMoonMaster | That and I heard ATI has horrible drivers. |
| 05:33.56 | MrGrim | GrueMaster: I've been told (but have not been avble to confirm) that 4.3 will support per display virtual desktops |
| 05:34.12 | MrGrim | when using xinerama type dual head |
| 05:34.30 | MrGrim | cause I would quite enjoy that feature |
| 05:34.58 | GrueMaster | With KDE 3.5.x, I had email, firefox, amarok, and akegretor on one monitor, each in it's own desktop. On the other monitor, I had pidgin, VirtualBox, and two development environments, again on separate desktops. |
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| 05:35.43 | GrueMaster | MrGrim: I've heard the same thing (read about it in the forum), but it is also described as more of a fluke than a feature. |
| 05:35.55 | MrGrim | well there's some confusion |
| 05:36.05 | MrGrim | there is (I've confirmed) per display _plasma activities_ |
| 05:36.21 | MrGrim | and I'm worried someone who should stop speaking went and twisted that into per display virtual desktops |
| 05:36.31 | GrueMaster | that sounds like a step in the right direction. |
| 05:36.46 | MrGrim | and it wasn't a fluke |
| 05:37.01 | MrGrim | it was not exposed in the UI in 4.2 cause it was commited after feature freeze and buggy |
| 05:37.06 | MrGrim | but the ability was intentional |
| 05:37.12 | MrGrim | (per display activities I'm speaking of) |
| 05:38.37 | GrueMaster | Well, I hope they bring it back in full. I really don't like having KDE4 on one display, and icewm on the other, just to get basic functionality (although having different screensavers on each monitor is rather interesting). |
| 05:38.49 | MrGrim | this is why I ignore forums.. people here half truths, add their own interpretation, then go to another thread and regurgitate the composite as fact, and the cycle repeats and repeats until you wonder where all of this nonsense comes from |
| 05:38.53 | MrGrim | s/here/hear |
| 05:39.28 | MrGrim | GrueMaster: "basic" functionality |
| 05:39.30 | MrGrim | ? |
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| 05:39.34 | GrueMaster | Until I hear it in a release note, I will continue pestering. |
| 05:39.36 | MrGrim | per display virtual desktops would be a first |
| 05:39.48 | MrGrim | there's nothing basic about that |
| 05:39.56 | GrueMaster | By basic functionality, I mean having dual separate desktops. |
| 05:40.04 | MrGrim | o that |
| 05:40.13 | GrueMaster | Icewm is very basic when compaired with KDE4. |
| 05:40.58 | MrGrim | GrueMaster: hmm.. ya I imagine if it can't do that then multiple independent sessions in general would not be possible (e.g. logged into X at home and then starting a NX session from work) |
| 05:40.59 | GrueMaster | No background, aweful menus, very basic status bar. |
| 05:41.07 | MrGrim | never tried, but that would be a shame |
| 05:41.42 | MrGrim | I've done that kind of thing before w/ kde3 |
| 05:41.45 | GrueMaster | I'm not sure that it can't do that. Usually, you can have separate Xsessions (:0, :1, etc). |
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| 05:42.04 | MrGrim | GrueMaster: ok now I'm confused |
| 05:42.10 | MrGrim | is that not what you were just saying it can't do? |
| 05:42.10 | GrueMaster | But with dual monitors that are separate, they show up as :0.0 &:0.1 |
| 05:42.18 | MrGrim | o? |
| 05:42.20 | MrGrim | what's the difference? |
| 05:43.43 | GrueMaster | With :0.0 & :0.1, the mouse can move across both monitors, but they are autonomous beyond that. With separate sessions (:0, :1, etc), each session is usually tied to a separate tty. |
| 05:44.10 | GrueMaster | And you can't see both simultaneously. Nor can you move the mouse between the two. |
| 05:44.52 | MrGrim | hmm, so I guess the question is the limitation due to the inability for KDE to internally distinguish independent sessions of lack of working with X to display them |
| 05:45.09 | MrGrim | it does seem like it'd be complex as kde does write a ton of state to disk and memory on bootup |
| 05:45.19 | MrGrim | and it'd have to make sure a second KDE would not intefere |
| 05:46.19 | MrGrim | GrueMaster: when I ran two x sessions on kde3 I would run into issues where apps would refuse to run on one session if they were already running on another |
| 05:46.22 | GrueMaster | Essentially, X supports dual monitors in three different ways (depending on video card support). 1 is to mirror the output on both displays (i.e. a laptop with external VGA connector). 2. is to have a virtual display that spans across both monitors (i.e. 2048x768). 3. Each monitor is separate and only the mouse moves between the two. |
| 05:47.07 | GrueMaster | Some apps are like that, but most should be tied to the $DISPLAY environment they were launched in. |
| 05:47.31 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: what is it that you need from 3 |
| 05:47.37 | GrueMaster | Firefox has issues with multiple sessions. |
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| 05:48.38 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: what is Firefoxes issue with multiple sessions |
| 05:48.42 | GrueMaster | Right now, I want configuration 3. Unfortunately, kwin (4.x) refuses to run in both :0.0 and :0.1 sessions. kwin (3.x) worked fine. |
| 05:49.17 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: I know you want option 3 but why |
| 05:49.23 | GrueMaster | It doesn't separate caches for individual sessions, only individual users. |
| 05:50.03 | GrueMaster | xdan779: scrollback a bit to see my described usage model. |
| 05:50.45 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: very sorry I logged at 12:31 anything before that I am not aware |
| 05:50.48 | GrueMaster | Essentially, for my work, it is more convenient to have separate desktops on multiple monitors. |
| 05:52.02 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: KDE4 can provide two separate desktops on multiple monitors using Xinemera |
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| 05:53.11 | GrueMaster | xdan779: briefly, each monitor houses 4 desktops. On screen 1, I have email, firefox, amarok, and akregator on separate desktops. On screen 2, I have Pidgin, VirtualBox, and two separate development environments on individual desktops. |
| 05:53.42 | GrueMaster | I thought xinerama only allowed one large virtual monitor. |
| 05:54.32 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: you can do that using KDE4 with xinmera |
| 05:54.33 | GrueMaster | And if it will work as I have described, how come all of the developers in the forum are saying it won't? |
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| 05:55.27 | GrueMaster | I'll give it a whirl, but I have my doubts. |
| 05:55.30 | Zarin | What are you trying to achieve? |
| 05:55.43 | Zarin | Independant VDs per screen? |
| 05:55.49 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: hmm actualy I am only running one instance of destop pager, easy enough for me to test though |
| 05:55.52 | GrueMaster | Zarin: please don't make me spell it out for a 3rd time in as many minutes. |
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| 05:56.10 | Zarin | Okay, I'll leave you alone to your own devices |
| 05:56.44 | GrueMaster | Zarin: not trying to be mean, I just described my usage model twice in the last 15 minutes. |
| 05:56.57 | Zarin | And I don't have the time to read 15 minutes of backlog |
| 05:57.13 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: ahh you are right using desktop pager on two differant panels does not give you two sets of desktops |
| 05:57.20 | GrueMaster | can you scroll back 4 minutes worth? |
| 05:57.24 | linuxguy12 | hey anyone know how to make konqueror save a url to a war archive from the command line? |
| 05:57.44 | emi | hello |
| 05:58.28 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: even so I am sure that going back to the old unix style of duel monitors is not the best fix |
| 05:59.07 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: maybe something the devs of pager can address |
| 05:59.16 | GrueMaster | How is this old style? It is far more convenient, especially when I need to multitask. |
| 06:00.07 | Zarin | Just read the last 15 minutes of backlog, it's so scattered I still don't know what you are trying to do :) |
| 06:00.33 | GrueMaster | I've used the virtual monitor approach (which is also what WIndows provides). I don't like it as much, especially when watching a movie full screen while debugging an app. |
| 06:00.41 | Zarin | Hmm, actually it was 30 minutes worth... |
| 06:01.21 | GrueMaster | Zarin: 10:53:06 PM) GrueMaster: xdan779: briefly, each monitor houses 4 desktops. On screen 1, I have email, firefox, amarok, and akregator on separate desktops. On screen 2, I have Pidgin, VirtualBox, and two separate development environments on individual desktops. |
| 06:02.12 | Zarin | The word "desktop" as too many different meanings, can you be more specific? |
| 06:02.19 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: I understand what your saying, so the problem you have is that pager does not give you a seperate set of desktops in each screen |
| 06:03.04 | GrueMaster | Honestly, I'm not sure what app needs to run on the second desktop for this to work. I think pager and kwin both to start with. |
| 06:03.14 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: this seems like more a limitation of pager that Xinemera |
| 06:03.46 | GrueMaster | Hence why I'm here instead of on an xorg room. |
| 06:04.16 | GrueMaster | My scenario worked perfectly under KDE 3.5.x |
| 06:04.24 | Zarin | The ICCCM and EWMH window manager hints were never designed with multi-monitor in mind so unfortunately the Xinerama-based multi-monitor desktop is extremely limited in that regard. |
| 06:04.36 | Zarin | Virtual desktops and the pager in particular |
| 06:04.38 | GrueMaster | All I want to know is if it is on the roadmap for 4.x, and how soon. |
| 06:05.24 | GrueMaster | And I'm not the only user that wants this. |
| 06:06.46 | Zarin | If you're wanting individual virtual desktops per screen or multiple pager support both of which are not supported by the current X standards and will require a massive amount of planning and code rewrite to implement correctly. |
| 06:07.01 | Zarin | Thus you can pretty much say "It won't happen" |
| 06:07.31 | GrueMaster | Not supported by the current X standard? Both nvidia and ATI support this feature, and it is well documented. |
| 06:07.50 | Zarin | What "support" is this? |
| 06:07.55 | GrueMaster | As far as coding goes, IT WORKED IN 3.5! |
| 06:08.03 | MrGrim | Zarin: is it true in kde 4.3 there is the ability for per display virtual desktops instead of per virtual framebuffer virtual desktops? |
| 06:08.03 | GrueMaster | So the code is there. |
| 06:08.22 | Zarin | In that case we are still talking about completely different things |
| 06:08.38 | xdan779 | Zarin: would it really be that difficult to have two seperate pagers with their own set of desktops |
| 06:08.57 | MrGrim | Zarin: e.g. desktop 3 being shown on the right monitor and desktop 1 on the left while still using xinerama |
| 06:09.04 | MrGrim | I don't think it's true |
| 06:09.06 | MrGrim | but I heard it |
| 06:09.24 | Zarin | MrGrim, it's not supported and will not be supported in Xinerama-mode for the reasons I mentioned above |
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| 06:09.38 | xdan779 | GrueMaster: I really do not know for sure, but maybe file a request to the pager devs, and see what they say |
| 06:09.55 | GrueMaster | (sigh) |
| 06:10.07 | Zarin | It's possible in multihead-mode (:0.0 and :0.1) but that's completely different technology |
| 06:10.15 | Zarin | And has it's own disadvantages |
| 06:10.23 | GrueMaster | That's exactly what I am talking about. |
| 06:10.28 | MrGrim | I'm going to go cry myself to sleep now then punch the person that got my hopes up |
| 06:10.58 | GrueMaster | multihead mode support in KDE 4.x - WHEN? |
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| 06:11.03 | Zarin | GrueMaster, Multihead mode is currently unsupported in KDE 4 because nobody wants to maintain the code. If you would like to donate your services patches are certainly welcome. |
| 06:11.26 | MrGrim | GrueMaster: iow you're that last person left using that archaic setup :P |
| 06:11.28 | Zarin | The two main codebases that require patches is KWin and Plasma |
| 06:12.00 | Zarin | I think KWin now works in multihead on 4.3 but I think that was an accident and I cannot garentee how stable it is |
| 06:12.06 | Zarin | Plasma still doesn't like multiple X screens |
| 06:12.21 | MrGrim | Zarin: do you have time to discuss in more detail with me the innards of X for a bit? I'd like to understand the limitations more thoroughly |
| 06:12.49 | Zarin | MrGrim, http://tronche.com/gui/x/icccm/ and http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html |
| 06:12.54 | GrueMaster | I got the same kind of run around at Linuxfest NW and again at UDS-Barcelona. What happened to the KDE developers? |
| 06:13.02 | MrGrim | Zarin: well I understand those |
| 06:13.20 | Zarin | MrGrim, if you understand those then you know everything you need to know |
| 06:13.33 | MrGrim | Zarin: but what I don't understand is between kwin, plasma, and compositing is there no enough information to bypass X altogether and just display what you want to display? |
| 06:13.58 | Zarin | MrGrim, Wayland? |
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| 06:14.29 | Zarin | Don't really understand what you are referring to |
| 06:14.30 | MrGrim | Zarin: no not like that. I mean as I understand compositing the compositor gets a pixmap of every window in memory, and plasma does similar with its shell |
| 06:14.51 | MrGrim | Zarin: so, if you want to display the contents of desktop 1 on the left monitor and the contents of desktop 3 on the right monitor.. could you just not do it |
| 06:14.52 | MrGrim | X be damned? |
| 06:14.59 | Zarin | Plasma is just another program that has a decoration-less, fullscreen window |
| 06:15.05 | MrGrim | even better |
| 06:15.39 | MrGrim | Zarin: part of the advantages of compositing I understand is the window manage has all of the information it needs to draw the desktop as it sees fit |
| 06:15.50 | MrGrim | with that I'm having a hard time understanding why the cooperation of the X server is needed |
| 06:16.04 | Zarin | According to the EWMH (Second link) the virtual desktop property is attached to the root window. There is only one root window per X screen; thus there can only be one desktop in Xinerama but two desktops in multihead X. |
| 06:16.34 | Zarin | As there is only one root window on a Xinerama setup spanning multiple screens |
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| 06:16.56 | MrGrim | Zarin: so (and just theortically, I'm not wanting to get into if this is a good idea or not), could kwin implement virtual desktops virtually inside itself on top of a single EWHM virtual desktop |
| 06:16.57 | MrGrim | ? |
| 06:17.00 | kendrick | hrm, it's been a long time. |
| 06:17.20 | kendrick | where are docs on how to create a .desktop(?) file that will give me a context menu |
| 06:17.23 | MrGrim | using only a single root window |
| 06:17.28 | Zarin | MrGrim, it will not be standards compatible and therefore not backwards compatible either |
| 06:17.35 | kendrick | i want to make my own "Open With..." kind of action |
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| 06:17.45 | Zarin | I've wanted to write a new standard but it takes so much time and effort |
| 06:17.57 | Zarin | And then getting is blessed by all the major parties |
| 06:18.02 | MrGrim | Zarin: beyond the window manage what else depends on EWHM to behave properly? |
| 06:18.16 | kendrick | "service".. hrm |
| 06:18.17 | kendrick | google |
| 06:18.25 | Zarin | MrGrim, every single window manager in existance |
| 06:18.47 | MrGrim | Zarin: ok, bu tin theory you'd be running only one at a time :) |
| 06:19.00 | MrGrim | so if the currently running one just rolled its own virtual desktop solution the only negative effect is not support from the X server |
| 06:19.02 | Zarin | MrGrim, every single toolkit as well |
| 06:19.42 | MrGrim | Zarin: thank you for your time. I'll read into the details of this. |
| 06:19.44 | Zarin | ICCCM, EWMH and any new standard is above the X server and does not depend on it |
| 06:19.59 | Zarin | It's just the way all X clients interact with it |
| 06:20.24 | kendrick | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html <-- found it |
| 06:20.26 | kendrick | :) |
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| 06:20.53 | linuxguy12 | hey guys my company is letting my team have access to its gsx replication lab. its has a totally web based interface with tons preconfiged vmware images ready to click on and use. |
| 06:21.11 | MrGrim | hmm, it would seem like poor design if kmail's proper operation was somehow tied to how it was drawn.. in fact it seems like that would screw with any kind of compositing as well. You can scale, bend, distort, and move windows around (e.g. prsent windows, wobbly windows) without any adverse effect on how those apps operate |
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| 06:21.15 | linuxguy12 | plus can make our own, upload our own images etc. |
| 06:21.32 | MrGrim | see it just seems like, if you really wanted to, you could simulate virtual desktops with the same concepts |
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| 06:22.05 | Zarin | MrGrim, the problem I had is how do you actually manage windows that cross over two screens at once |
| 06:22.07 | MrGrim | pushing a new standard through is all well and good, but in the meantime... :) |
| 06:22.23 | MrGrim | Zarin: so you've considered this before? |
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| 06:22.31 | Zarin | MrGrim, I spent months working on it |
| 06:22.41 | MrGrim | Zarin: fascinating.. do you have any code left over? |
| 06:22.44 | Zarin | MrGrim, which is why I say it's not realistically possible :) |
| 06:23.08 | Zarin | Not much code |
| 06:23.11 | GrueMaster | Zarin: what you are describing is a different working model. |
| 06:23.20 | MrGrim | Zarin: if you still have code I'd love to look over your methods to see if I can maybe offer new insight. I have a graphics background |
| 06:23.31 | MrGrim | just not much of a low level X background |
| 06:23.35 | xdan779 | Zarin: the taskmanger does it quite easily, why not pager. pager can can do 8 plus desktops why not allocate 4 to instance and 4 to another |
| 06:24.09 | GrueMaster | The model I describe doesn't allow windows to cross screens. That would require a virtual desktop setup like xinerama, that spans two monitors. |
| 06:24.33 | Zarin | GrueMaster, Xinerama isn't for you then. What you want is the old multihead |
| 06:24.42 | GrueMaster | exactly. |
| 06:24.50 | linuxguy12 | ok how can I use dcop to retreive the current url of all open windows and tabs in windows of konqueror? |
| 06:24.51 | MrGrim | Zarin: did you have problems w/ inter screen movement period, or only when trying to display different desktops on different displays? |
| 06:25.04 | MrGrim | or did you even get that far? |
| 06:25.34 | Zarin | MrGrim, As I mentioned above I don't have much code, it was all done on paper and planning with some basic code skeletons that I never finished. |
| 06:26.05 | MrGrim | Zarin: so, can I assume if I were to attempt this you would be open to implementing this as a kde extension? |
| 06:26.11 | Zarin | I guess my main problem was how to visualise everything as I was trying to use compositing to its best |
| 06:26.30 | Zarin | Not a KDE extension, it requires a completely new desktop shell that replaces both KWin and Plasma. |
| 06:26.52 | MrGrim | so plasma does have to be rolled in somehow? |
| 06:26.56 | MrGrim | you can't trick it? |
| 06:27.17 | Zarin | Well if you don't mind having an old-style desktop with a new-style window handling then Plasma is fine how it is |
| 06:27.27 | GrueMaster | My guess is that both kwin and plasma need to be modified to support multiple sessions. |
| 06:27.42 | MrGrim | GrueMaster: we're talking about something completely different here :) |
| 06:27.46 | Zarin | GrueMaster, pretty much spot on |
| 06:27.57 | MrGrim | or so I thought |
| 06:28.09 | Zarin | MrGrim, I'm having two convos here at once :) |
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| 06:28.15 | MrGrim | you're good :) |
| 06:28.21 | Zarin | One with GrueMaster about multihead and one with you about Xinerama |
| 06:28.49 | MrGrim | Zarin: ok, well this has now officially fascinated me. If I can somehow find the time I want to dig into this |
| 06:28.55 | Zarin | MrGrim, http://github.com/Zarin/aethis/tree/old |
| 06:29.04 | MrGrim | <3 |
| 06:29.04 | Zarin | That was my old code before I abandoned it |
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| 06:29.19 | MrGrim | and this is not kde then? |
| 06:29.24 | Zarin | Not KDE |
| 06:29.35 | Zarin | But I think that old version used KDE libraries |
| 06:29.42 | Zarin | So I guess you could say it was |
| 06:29.55 | Zarin | Newer version of my "Aethis" don't use the KDE libraries at all |
| 06:30.21 | Zarin | Latest code being at http://git.aethis.org/aethis/ but it's completely different to that old repo |
| 06:30.28 | Zarin | And is of no use to you :) |
| 06:30.35 | MrGrim | fair enough |
| 06:30.47 | MrGrim | new experiment on something else? :) |
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| 06:31.15 | Zarin | Pretty much |
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| 06:31.56 | MrGrim | hmm git is not liking that... it's "git clone <url>", right? |
| 06:31.57 | Zarin | I'm fed up with X though so I want to help out on Wayland then write the new compositor for it. It sounds like the better way of going about it |
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| 06:32.18 | MrGrim | Zarin: I'd never support wayland w/o network transparency |
| 06:32.32 | MrGrim | I use that extensively |
| 06:33.02 | MrGrim | I do not know if it has it |
| 06:33.05 | bertodsera | Hi! can anyone confirm that it is possible to define an alternative "date engine" in KDE? And if so, is there any docs about it? Can't seem to google out anything |
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| 06:33.22 | MrGrim | but the tendency for the "abandon X" crowd is to treat network transparency as the problem |
| 06:33.32 | Zarin | It is the problem |
| 06:33.55 | Zarin | If network transparency at the protocol layer is removed then desktop Linux can be drastically improved |
| 06:34.07 | Zarin | Network usage can be a layer above, such as in the compositor |
| 06:34.21 | Zarin | Kinda like what Compiz is doing with NOMAD |
| 06:34.47 | Zarin | Which is how Windows does it with remote desktop as well :) |
| 06:35.32 | Zarin | MrGrim, "git clone git://github.com/Zarin/aethis.git", "old" branch |
| 06:36.01 | MrGrim | ya and windows remote desktop is painfully slow compared to an optimized X stream like, for example, NX |
| 06:36.37 | MrGrim | and the compositor has no knowledge below the pixmap of the window so there are limits to how fast it can be |
| 06:36.49 | xdan779 | Zarin: remote desktop does not support running multiple single apps from multiple users either |
| 06:37.13 | Zarin | xdan779, NOMAD in theory can |
| 06:37.30 | xdan779 | Zarin: X as a fact can now |
| 06:37.34 | xdan779 | for ages |
| 06:37.58 | Zarin | X does it at the protocol level, NOMAD does it at the window level, remote desktop does it at the screen level. |
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| 06:39.01 | Zarin | That protocol level is extremely complex in X and prevents some very powerful optimizations when being run on the local machine |
| 06:39.04 | Zarin | X currently does some special things for local machines but it still has to treat it as a network |
| 06:39.06 | xdan779 | Zarin: you maybe right but as a user X runs just fine locally |
| 06:39.25 | MrGrim | the window level is barely a step above vnc if I understand what window level means |
| 06:39.28 | xdan779 | Zarin: it is a good thing that it treats it that way localy |
| 06:39.28 | Zarin | xdan779, users don't know how much it's limiting us developers |
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| 06:40.19 | Zarin | But anyway I must call this convo short, got stuff to do :( |
| 06:40.24 | Zarin | Was just getting interesting as well |
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| 06:40.48 | MrGrim | Zarin: ya, ttyl |
| 06:41.13 | xdan779 | Zarin: I am not a developer so I have no reason to argue, just saying that X works well, and the network transparency is fantastic |
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| 06:42.07 | xdan779 | Zarin: later Zarin can pick up another time |
| 06:42.25 | Zarin | I will not argue that having network transparency at the protocol layer does has its own advnatages that no other method can have, but for normal desktop usage it just gets in the way |
| 06:42.39 | Zarin | Most users only ever run on a single machine with a single user |
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| 06:44.27 | Zarin | Of course, if a new system is used that specializes on local machines (Such as Wayland) there is nothing stopping you from running a root-less X server on top of it to run those remote apps |
| 06:44.43 | Zarin | Which is what the Wayland dev(s) are trying to do right now actually |
| 06:44.50 | xdan779 | Zarin: sure dos single user single os, thank god unix and X for that matter was not designed that way |
| 06:44.51 | Zarin | In between working on porting Cairo and stuff |
| 06:45.35 | xdan779 | most users eg. windows run as root to |
| 06:45.51 | Zarin | Not in W7 :) |
| 06:46.17 | MrGrim | Zarin: I'm not considered about running remote apps as much as I am having remote apps to run |
| 06:46.21 | Zarin | When I used W7 I ran completely as an unpriveledged user and has no problems with normal usage |
| 06:46.24 | xdan779 | Zarin: true not in win 7 to bad most 3rd party apps do not conform |
| 06:46.28 | MrGrim | if everything writes code against wayland |
| 06:46.33 | MrGrim | I won't be able to run their apps remotely |
| 06:46.39 | MrGrim | which would be a real loss |
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| 06:47.19 | Zarin | MrGrim, Almost every app these days uses a toolkit, that toolkit abstracts the method used to communicate with the user |
| 06:47.39 | Zarin | Thus a toolkit can abstract to either Wayland RDC or X protocol with ease |
| 06:47.57 | Zarin | Such as what they already do with X vs mobile devices |
| 06:48.15 | MrGrim | Zarin: my concern would be as the desktop users start to massively outnumber folks like me X will be forgotten and I'll be complaining about the good old days :) |
| 06:48.15 | xdan779 | in windows 7 and Vista it is better but, due to how third party legit apps are develped. people allow everything to be installed woth root privs |
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| 06:49.31 | MrGrim | Zarin: now don't tease, go :) |
| 06:49.36 | MrGrim | don't let us keep you :) |
| 06:50.29 | MrGrim | xdan779: funny... I'd make not requiring admin access part of the definition of legit |
| 06:50.31 | Zarin | xdan779, that's a social problem, not a technical one |
| 06:51.02 | Zarin | used W7 everyday for six weeks. It can run identically to how we use Linux today |
| 06:51.04 | MrGrim | would you call a linux app legit if it demanded root when it didn't need it? :) |
| 06:51.22 | Zarin | Choose your apps wisely and things just work fine |
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| 06:51.45 | xdan779 | MrGrim: as is with linux, suid bit aside your program should not run with root privs |
| 06:52.07 | MrGrim | demand the same from windows apps |
| 06:52.14 | MrGrim | if they don't cooperate.. who needs 'em? |
| 06:52.45 | MrGrim | unless your using a niche business or artistic app |
| 06:52.48 | xdan779 | MrGrim: you hit the nail on the head |
| 06:52.48 | MrGrim | you have options |
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| 06:55.18 | Zarin | The only time I ever needed to run as administrator (Through UAC) was when installing applications, during normal usage I never got a UAC notification |
| 06:55.24 | xdan779 | MrGrim Zarin you are both right but it is obviose most users do not demand that |
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| 06:55.58 | xdan779 | my point wiht X yea Users don;t demand such things, but I don;t really think that means anything |
| 06:56.07 | Zarin | Any application written post-Vista by a respectible developer acts nicely with permissions |
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| 07:03.43 | oup1 | I've just upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and my windowing system seems to be messed up. There are no close/maximise/minimise buttons and other weirdness |
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| 07:12.25 | muep | I'm trying to follow this: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/GettingStarted#Building_it_all.2C_the_CMakeLists.txt on openSUSE 11.1 with KDE updated to version 4.2 |
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| 07:13.29 | muep | However the line 'include(KDE4Defaults)' makes cmake fail |
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| 07:14.27 | muep | is the guide up to date, or am I missing something? I already tried to check if I am missing some kde development related libraries |
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| 07:25.46 | gdebure | muep, did you ask on kde-devel ? Might be more appropriate |
| 07:26.04 | muep | gdebure: oh, I'll try there |
| 07:26.07 | muep | thanks |
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| 08:01.17 | N9NU | it is so nice to this this version work perfect for me: Version 4.2.90 (KDE 4.2.90 (KDE 4.3 Beta2)) |
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| 08:51.44 | sarts | Where are the kde themes located? |
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| 08:53.36 | nucleo | sarts: http://www.kde-look.org/ |
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| 08:59.12 | sarts | nucleo: thanks, but I mean on disk ;) |
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| 09:00.55 | nucleo | sarts: for example color schemes in /usr/share/kde4/apps/color-schemes/ or in ~/.kde/share/apps/color-schemes |
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| 09:01.11 | sarts | I see |
| 09:01.16 | sarts | thanks |
| 09:01.50 | nucleo | sarts: ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme |
| 09:02.23 | sarts | :( |
| 09:02.40 | sarts | You are really helpfull, thanks. :) |
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| 09:09.30 | jaggz- | Control Panel -> Regional & Accessibility -> Input Actions: // Needs a Copy action which duplicates the entry and Disables it. |
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| 09:09.42 | jaggz- | How would I go about adding that myself? |
| 09:09.46 | jaggz- | to help you |
| 09:10.27 | jaggz- | otherwise, I'm editing khotkeysrc by hand, but "dcop khotkeys khotkeys reread_configuration" doesn't seem to work -- my new sequences are not loaded that is. |
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| 09:11.15 | jaggz- | I'm using Debian -> Lenny I guess? 5.0.1 |
| 09:12.00 | jaggz- | looks like kde 3.5.10 |
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| 09:53.23 | alpha_one_x86 | Hello, in openGL desktop effect I have some bug with kde 4.2.4, kde 4.3 solve it? |
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| 09:54.42 | Half-Left | What bug? |
| 09:56.06 | thiago_home | alpha_one_x86: try with 4.3 and tell us if it's solved |
| 09:56.35 | alpha_one_x86 | Graphical/visual bug |
| 09:57.43 | alpha_one_x86 | Panel which is deformed, white border of ~15px in some moment |
| 09:59.12 | thiago_home | screenshot? |
| 09:59.42 | alpha_one_x86 | I take it |
| 10:00.00 | alpha_one_x86 | http://privatepaste.com/1d1S4WlNOT |
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| 10:00.22 | alpha_one_x86 | White home near ultracopier-svn folder |
| 10:01.18 | thiago_home | I've never seen that |
| 10:02.04 | alpha_one_x86 | I have see that's since I have tried KDE 4.1, and this bug it's with all my nvidia card |
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| 10:02.51 | thiago_home | I only have nvidia and I've never seen it |
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| 10:04.27 | alpha_one_x86 | I have this effect activated: Blur, slide, taskbar thumbnails, transluency, (focus) Dialog parent, Dim screen for admin mode, cover switch, desktop cuben desktop grid, present windows |
| 10:04.51 | alpha_one_x86 | No bug in "Compositing type" Xrender |
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| 10:06.20 | Half-Left | Try 4.3 or use a newer Nvidia driver |
| 10:07.20 | alpha_one_x86 | Strange!!! Ksnapshot show my Kmenu but it's not show at screen when the screenshot is take (take with delay of 5s, open and close quickly the menu) |
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| 10:08.41 | alpha_one_x86 | No newer KDE or/and nvidia driver in portage tree under gentoo |
| 10:09.03 | alpha_one_x86 | I have this visual bug since start of KDE |
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| 10:09.27 | Half-Left | Well, you have to prove it's a KDE bug |
| 10:09.59 | alpha_one_x86 | With KDE3 and e17 no bug |
| 10:10.02 | thiago_home | try another driver, like nouveau |
| 10:10.16 | Half-Left | KDE is totally different |
| 10:10.21 | Half-Left | KDE3* |
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| 10:10.37 | thiago_home | alpha_one_x86: you could have said the problem doesn't appear with /bin/ls... |
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| 10:11.20 | alpha_one_x86 | I thinks I have this bug because it's include in KDE only for good supported card, because with less openGL extension supported I have not this bug |
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| 10:11.29 | Half-Left | Different technology in KDE4, so saying other DEs don't have such a bug is not relevant. |
| 10:11.51 | alpha_one_x86 | thiago_home: I have not understund |
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| 10:12.40 | thiago_home | saying KDE 3 didn't have the bug is the same as saying /bin/ls doesn't |
| 10:12.43 | thiago_home | it's completely different |
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| 10:13.39 | alpha_one_x86 | And I seam see pading (internal margin) evry where (of same space as visual bug), and plasma have scroll bar vertical, what I need scroll up for it's hiden |
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| 10:14.20 | alpha_one_x86 | thiago_home: understand |
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| 10:15.26 | alpha_one_x86 | I will go report this bug to kde bug, have you usefull test to do? |
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| 10:17.03 | thiago_home | no |
| 10:17.10 | thiago_home | besides the one I already asked |
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| 10:17.44 | menak | hi |
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| 10:18.09 | alpha_one_x86 | And have you serie 8 or 9 geforce with proprietary drivers? |
| 10:18.27 | thiago_home | has 8400GM and 8600GT |
| 10:18.31 | menak | since 4.2.2 kmail doesn't quote when replying to mails. is that a bug or an option i haven't found yet? |
| 10:18.56 | menak | i just get an empty email, no quotes |
| 10:19.06 | menak | has anyone else encountered that? |
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| 10:19.26 | ponto | menak: did you mark something in the mail accidentally? |
| 10:19.40 | menak | ponto: nope |
| 10:19.53 | menak | using gentoo, same on three computers |
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| 10:20.15 | menak | if i mask versions above kmail 4.2.2 it's fine |
| 10:20.16 | alpha_one_x86 | I use drivers 180.60 but same bug with older drivers |
| 10:20.40 | thiago_home | 180.51 here, no bug |
| 10:20.45 | thiago_home | 4.3 |
| 10:20.50 | menak | i thought it was a kmail 4.2.3 bug, but it's still there in 4.2.4 |
| 10:21.22 | ponto | menak: I've never seen this bug. using 4.2.4 now. |
| 10:21.44 | menak | ponto: hmm, wierd |
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| 10:22.47 | menak | is going to join #gentoo and see if it's a gentoo specific problem |
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| 10:24.33 | Dumble | Hello world |
| 10:25.16 | Half-Left | alpha_one_x86: About that bug report. You mean the menu floats about the panel? |
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| 10:25.27 | Half-Left | above* |
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| 10:26.42 | alpha_one_x86 | No it's more slim on some part |
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| 10:29.04 | Half-Left | it's not really a clear bug report and how to reproduce it |
| 10:31.15 | alpha_one_x86 | I have lot of visual bug, you can see only it, you can mis it |
| 10:31.30 | alpha_one_x86 | *you cant mis it |
| 10:31.31 | Half-Left | It's like telling the developer to look for a needle in a haystack, assuming the needle is even there. |
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| 10:32.15 | Half-Left | Yes sure, we're not denying that but you have to provde it's a KDE corruption but and not a driver or Xorg one. |
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| 10:32.25 | Half-Left | bug* |
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| 10:33.49 | ddhanasekar | how to upgrade java versin |
| 10:33.57 | ddhanasekar | how to upgrade java version |
| 10:34.20 | thiago_home | no clue |
| 10:34.33 | thiago_home | you should ask your distribution's channel |
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| 10:35.52 | ddhanasekar | I have open sun jdk which is alredy presented in fedora10 when i installed |
| 10:36.50 | pinotree | ddhanasekar: ask in #fedora |
| 10:37.03 | alpha_one_x86 | I will reboot for test with 185 nvidia drivers |
| 10:37.09 | ddhanasekar | yes I have installed Fedora10 |
| 10:37.48 | thiago_home | ddhanasekar: there wasn't a question to be answered with "yes" |
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| 10:41.36 | alpha_one_x86 | Re, same bug with 185 series drivers under KDE |
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| 10:42.31 | rethus | in quanta i have auto-comlete activated. how can i deactivate |
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| 11:49.02 | JackWinter2 | i've been googling and experimenting, but am not quite sure what is the best combination for kde 4.2.3, i have an samsung x20 laptop with intel 915 gfx. i have installed cpufrqutils and the cpu seems to scale up and down like it should. powerdevil seems to work pretty well dimmming the screen when power is unplugged etc. i can also suspend to disk after configuring the swap. what i can't get working is suspend to ram. i tried first of all with just |
| 11:49.04 | JackWinter2 | powerdevil and it suspends and restarts once, next time it hangs with a black screen on restart. now i've tried adding s2ram which says the laptop is supported, but get the same result from the command line. iny links or tips what kde needs for full laptop support ? |
| 11:49.37 | thiago_home | a good laptop |
| 11:49.41 | thiago_home | it works just fine on my Dell XPS |
| 11:49.45 | JackWinter2 | lol |
| 11:50.05 | thiago_home | your hardware is not supported by your Linux kernel version |
| 11:50.08 | JackWinter2 | x20 is pretty good, but old by now |
| 11:50.09 | thiago_home | it has nothing to do with KDE |
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| 11:51.18 | JackWinter2 | ok, i assume that cpufrequtils have nothing to do with kde4, but gives functionality and is used by kde4 if installed ? |
| 11:51.46 | JackWinter2 | does powerdevil need s2ram ? |
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| 11:57.22 | thiago_home | no |
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| 12:21.12 | simey00irc | how can I make kdesktop not to reserve the sound devices? |
| 12:21.23 | simey00irc | Many non-kde applications like wine or some games have no sound when kdesktop runs. |
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| 12:22.55 | simey00irc | how can I make kdesktop not to reserve the sound devices? |
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| 12:22.59 | simey00irc | Many non-kde applications like wine or some games have no sound when kdesktop runs. |
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| 12:24.39 | simey00irc | Kdesktop keeps these files opened: http://tinypaste.com/1c580 |
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| 12:27.53 | shadeslayer | i want to upgrade to 4.3 but cant do so because of packaging issues :( |
| 12:28.34 | simey00irc | how can I make kdesktop not to reserve the sound devices? |
| 12:28.37 | simey00irc | Many non-kde applications like wine or some games have no sound when kdesktop runs. |
| 12:28.40 | simey00irc | Kdesktop keeps these files opened: http://tinypaste.com/1c580 |
| 12:30.03 | pinotree | simey00irc: stop repeating your question every 4 minutes, and be patient |
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| 12:34.50 | thiago_home | was going to answer |
| 12:34.52 | thiago_home | too bad he left |
| 12:35.01 | thiago_home | well, I was going to tell him to use arts |
| 12:35.13 | zc00gii | does anyone here know who is managing kdemod-testing for x86_64? |
| 12:35.24 | pinotree | zc00gii: #archlinux |
| 12:35.28 | thiago_home | well, considering we have no clue what kdemod is... |
| 12:35.31 | thiago_home | no, we don't know |
| 12:36.06 | zc00gii | fts |
| 12:36.13 | zc00gii | I'm going to kdemod-unstable |
| 12:36.25 | thiago_home | where's that? |
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| 12:37.23 | zc00gii | thiago_home: kdemod is a h4xx0r3d kde that is more modular and designed for Arch Linux |
| 12:37.49 | thiago_home | then I suggest you follow pinotree's suggestion |
| 12:38.05 | zc00gii | kdemod-testing and kdemod-unstable are a two of the repos |
| 12:38.07 | zc00gii | nah |
| 12:38.18 | zc00gii | I'm just going to kdemod-unstable |
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| 12:40.58 | Azcrates | Hi, any way to run 3.5 apps on 4.2 ? I can't run quanta. |
| 12:42.03 | cb400f | what distro? .. shouldn't be a problem on most distros |
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| 12:42.39 | Azcrates | gentoo over here |
| 12:42.51 | Azcrates | Should I ask in #gentoo-kde ? |
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| 12:43.13 | cb400f | would probably be better |
| 12:43.22 | Azcrates | ok thanks |
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| 12:45.12 | astal | hi everyone |
| 12:45.19 | shadeslayer | anyone have kde 4.3 + ubuntu?? |
| 12:45.32 | astal | I'm experimenting some problems with solid after having updated to 4.2.4 on gentoo |
| 12:45.48 | astal | it doesn't see my audio device anymore, nor the battery... |
| 12:50.59 | shadeslayer | im getting this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/380184 |
| 12:53.00 | astal | is this a known bug? |
| 12:54.13 | thiago_home | I heard of some icons being repeated in |
| 12:54.28 | thiago_home | but this is a packaging bug. Please ask in a Ubuntu/Kubuntu channel. |
| 12:54.40 | shadeslayer | astal: no idea..its filed there tho |
| 12:55.04 | shadeslayer | thiago_home: thats why i was asking if somebody had ubuntu+KDE 4.3 |
| 12:55.16 | thiago_home | you're going to find them in those channels. |
| 12:55.46 | shadeslayer | oh and one more thing..whats the diff. b/w activities and desktops ?? |
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| 12:56.41 | astal | solid complains that my audio device isn't working... but it is! |
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| 12:57.19 | thiago_home | probably it's held in use by another process |
| 12:57.22 | thiago_home | because it's working |
| 12:57.34 | quatroniumTcup | Hallo ! I am using kopete under gnome and want to change the default web browser to firefox How can I do this ? Where is the Configuration file ? |
| 12:58.21 | astal | thiago_home: i don't think so... it used to work fine, the problems started to happen just after update, and it's the same for the battery that is not detected... |
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| 13:05.47 | quatroniumTcup | ok found a little program to do it.. |
| 13:06.11 | pinotree | shadeslayer: you should ask in #kubuntu |
| 13:06.29 | shadeslayer | pinotree: heh...they advise not to install kde 4.3 :P |
| 13:07.03 | shadeslayer | also Do not install KDE 4.3 beta unless you are an experienced user, there still are dependency issues |
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| 13:07.52 | shadeslayer | so im listening to them and waiting for beta 2 (hopefully without the dependency problems) |
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| 14:01.47 | lmorgado | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:05.02 | thiago_home | it's in the middle of the first screen in dual monitors |
| 14:05.20 | lmorgado | thiago_home: not.. its in the middle of both screens |
| 14:05.25 | thiago_home | no, it's not |
| 14:05.29 | thiago_home | it's in the middle of the first screen |
| 14:05.36 | thiago_home | I saw it yesterday |
| 14:05.42 | lmorgado | lol |
| 14:05.50 | lmorgado | on my monitor i bet |
| 14:06.05 | xxtjaxx | why do we have to use this friggin scim ? |
| 14:06.08 | lmorgado | maybe my xorg.conf is not configured right but its in the middle of both |
| 14:06.21 | thiago_home | then configure xorg right |
| 14:06.34 | lmorgado | thiago_home: can you give me your xorg.conf so i can compare |
| 14:06.35 | thiago_home | xxtjaxx: Japanese speaker? Chinese? Korean? |
| 14:06.53 | xxtjaxx | oh ... |
| 14:07.27 | lmorgado | thiago_home: whats wrong with this: http://pastebin.com/m6224d830 |
| 14:07.30 | thiago_home | http://pastebin.ca/1449724 |
| 14:07.39 | lmorgado | thiago_home: my one gives me kdm in the middle |
| 14:07.41 | lmorgado | looking |
| 14:07.53 | JackWinter2 | argh still confused. with kde 4.2.3 and powerdevil i don't need any extra software for power management on a laptop? it will take care of cpu scaling, hibernating, suspend to ram etc without installing cpufrequtils or anything else ? |
| 14:08.06 | xxtjaxx | becfaus e it makes me friggin sick testing the new opensuse 11.2 milestone and every few minutes it switches between english and german keyboard |
| 14:08.21 | thiago_home | xxtjaxx: don't use it then |
| 14:08.39 | thiago_home | JackWinter2: you don't need KDE or powerdevil to do that |
| 14:08.42 | xxtjaxx | it executes it self |
| 14:08.52 | thiago_home | JackWinter2: CPU scaling, hibernating and suspending are done by the kernel |
| 14:08.58 | xxtjaxx | No really if i click exit in the bar it starty up again |
| 14:09.02 | thiago_home | xxtjaxx: kill it and make sure it doesn't execute again |
| 14:09.19 | lmorgado | thiago_home: you have 2 video cards ? |
| 14:09.26 | lmorgado | thiago_home: or nvidia with twinview |
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| 14:11.29 | JackWinter2 | thiago_home: so do i or do i not need cpufrequtils ? i run kde 4.2.3 on a 2.6.29.4 kernel |
| 14:11.30 | thiago_home | nvidia with twinview |
| 14:11.40 | thiago_home | JackWinter2: I don't eve know what cpufrequtils is |
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| 14:11.55 | thiago_home | JackWinter2: I know my laptop is running at 1 GHz scaled down, suspends and hibernates |
| 14:12.08 | lmorgado | thiago_home: any idea on the ati equivalent.. my dual screen works good with http://pastebin.com/m6224d830 |
| 14:12.24 | lmorgado | thiago_home: but i have that kdm in the middle of the screen fuckup |
| 14:12.38 | JackWinter2 | thiago_home: ok, thanks. i'll start over and see what i can make powerdevil do. suppose the drawback of reading outdated info while googling :) |
| 14:13.05 | thiago_home | lmorgado: no. Use the fireglcontrolpanel. |
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| 14:13.43 | lmorgado | thiago_home: ok.. checking that out.. thanks |
| 14:20.59 | zc00gii | how do I know what version of kde I'm running? |
| 14:21.13 | zc00gii | lmorgado: try hotplugging |
| 14:21.15 | thiago_home | About KDE in any KDE application |
| 14:21.49 | zc00gii | thiago_home: I don't see that |
| 14:22.05 | thiago_home | I do |
| 14:22.10 | thiago_home | in every KDE application, in the Help menu |
| 14:22.16 | zc00gii | ahh |
| 14:22.20 | zc00gii | nvm |
| 14:22.33 | zc00gii | hmm |
| 14:23.14 | zc00gii | I'm running kde4.3b1(kde4.2.88) but I don't see the folder "peeking" from the folderview plasmoid |
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| 14:24.06 | lmorgado | zc00gii: hotplugging? |
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| 14:24.22 | zc00gii | lmorgado: yes |
| 14:24.28 | zc00gii | lmorgado: what distro do you use? |
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| 14:24.31 | lmorgado | trying this damn catalyst control centre but it doesnt allow me to enable xinerama |
| 14:24.50 | lmorgado | zc00gii: im on kubuntu 9.04 |
| 14:24.58 | zc00gii | lmorgado: use the opensource driver |
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| 14:25.18 | zc00gii | it's easier to set up |
| 14:25.23 | lmorgado | for some reason the kubuntu dudes disabled multiple monitor in the gui for system -» settigns -» display |
| 14:25.24 | zc00gii | make sure hal is running |
| 14:25.39 | zc00gii | I hate kubuntu |
| 14:25.46 | zc00gii | anything to do with *buntu |
| 14:26.09 | lmorgado | well.. it usually saves me more time that it takes |
| 14:26.22 | lmorgado | zc00gii: let me look into the opensource driver fot ati |
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| 14:26.34 | thiago_home | lmorgado: not really. That option is only supported on Intel. |
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| 14:26.38 | lmorgado | zc00gii: isnt hotplug just for "hot plug" devices |
| 14:26.45 | lmorgado | such as usb stuff |
| 14:26.48 | zc00gii | lmorgado: nope |
| 14:27.04 | zc00gii | make sure hal is running |
| 14:27.09 | zc00gii | remove xorg.conf |
| 14:27.16 | zc00gii | use the opensource driver |
| 14:27.20 | zc00gii | then restart X11 |
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| 14:27.44 | zc00gii | anyway |
| 14:27.50 | zc00gii | restarting kde |
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| 14:29.03 | JackWinter2 | thiago_home: i think cpufrequtils give powerdevil the ability to switch cpu speed. without it configured powerdevil loses the ability. and yes there are kernel modules loaded for it. ok, then i just have to trouble shoot my kernel and figure out why suspend to ram only works once. |
| 14:29.48 | thiago_home | JackWinter2: you know, one thing just came to mind: |
| 14:29.59 | thiago_home | JackWinter2: suspending didn't work properly for me until I upgraded my BIOS firmware |
| 14:30.28 | JackWinter2 | aha, i'll see about that too. thanks |
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| 14:35.23 | zc00gii | figured out why I couldn't folder view |
| 14:35.29 | zc00gii | I was running the old plasma |
| 14:35.42 | zc00gii | lmorgado: need any more info on hotplugging |
| 14:36.12 | lmorgado | zc00gii: not yet.. im still trying to remember which drivers there were for ATI |
| 14:36.31 | lmorgado | zc00gii: its a bloody mess aparently (last time i used dual screen it was with nvidia) |
| 14:36.56 | lmorgado | zc00gii: i dont really need hotplugging i think |
| 14:37.04 | lmorgado | zc00gii: the monitors are always plugged in |
| 14:37.10 | zc00gii | lmorgado: so? |
| 14:37.17 | zc00gii | hotplugging has more advantages |
| 14:37.28 | lmorgado | zc00gii: why do i need it for then? |
| 14:37.32 | zc00gii | like the volume buttons on your keyboard are automatically configured |
| 14:37.50 | lmorgado | i see |
| 14:38.11 | zc00gii | and other small but important things |
| 14:38.11 | lmorgado | now im more worried about double screen without that annoying kdm in the middle |
| 14:39.18 | zc00gii | is in love with 4.2.88 |
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| 14:50.25 | soa2ii | Hi there. Will there be a plugin-feature for Konqueror in KDE 4? I really miss smth like NoScript in Konqueror. |
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| 14:51.22 | thiago_home | soa2ii: that feature has existed for 6 years or so |
| 14:51.34 | soa2ii | thiago_home: ? Where? |
| 14:51.43 | thiago_home | where what? |
| 14:51.45 | soa2ii | I do not mean the Java filter under preferences... |
| 14:51.53 | thiago_home | Konqueror supports plugins and has supported for years |
| 14:51.53 | soa2ii | this is much too complicated. |
| 14:52.01 | soa2ii | Oh ok. |
| 14:52.09 | soa2ii | But _is_ there smth like noscript? |
| 14:52.16 | thiago_home | I have no idea what noscript is |
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| 14:52.34 | thiago_home | wrote a plugin for setting the encoding of filesystem displays back in 2004 or 2003 |
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| 14:53.02 | soa2ii | thiago_home: You'll get smth like that in the statusbar |
| 14:53.04 | soa2ii | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/images/p/846/943948800 |
| 14:53.24 | templaedhel | hello, I have kde 4.3, and I can't figure out how to move a panel from the top to the bottom |
| 14:53.26 | soa2ii | Where you can easily set up java (script) for different domains |
| 14:54.16 | thiago_home | soa2ii: you can turn it on and off in the Tools menu, HTML settings |
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| 14:54.34 | thiago_home | templaedhel: click the cashew to the right of the panel |
| 14:54.40 | thiago_home | then you can drag it |
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| 14:54.51 | templaedhel | I try, but it doesn't drag |
| 14:55.06 | soa2ii | thiago_home: Yes, but genrally. Noscript can easily allow java on a domain basis and stores it. |
| 14:55.18 | soa2ii | So you'll get something like a java (script) filter. |
| 14:55.20 | thiago_home | soa2ii: write a plugin for that |
| 14:55.35 | templaedhel | oh, I need to use both mouse buttons |
| 14:56.10 | pinotree | soa2ii: you can have java & javascript per-domain policies |
| 14:56.58 | soa2ii | pinotree: Yes, I know |
| 14:57.06 | soa2ii | But the compfortable? |
| 14:57.25 | soa2ii | Always clicking through settings and set up smth... |
| 14:57.48 | soa2ii | The "allow temporary"-function in NoScript is quite cool too |
| 14:57.48 | thiago_home | so, like I said, write a plugin |
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| 15:31.30 | Ralesk | hi all, I tend to compile KDE unstable releases (4.2.xx) and I found that since .85 (including that), the Plasma themes do not work... Everything except for Aya, displays a black border and is otherwise horribly broken. |
| 15:31.30 | druggy_ | anyone know how to disable QT from using symlinks in a way that windows uses .lnk, which is going to the absolute path pointed by symlink instead of normal way that is in command line shells? |
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| 15:34.05 | Ralesk | on the other hand, I've been told that the openSuse builds of the same releases do work just fine -- I'm not sure what could be going wrong, I don't patch anything but .desktop files and they don't hack away on plasma either... |
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| 15:34.44 | annew | it's impossible to print the ImageMagick man page through konqueror |
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| 15:34.49 | annew | I have debug info - |
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| 15:34.54 | annew | where should it go to? |
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| 15:35.11 | druggy_ | how to prevent QT/KDE from solving symlinks? |
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| 15:37.46 | du | hi |
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| 15:43.40 | druggy_ | how to prevent QT/KDE from resolving symlinks? |
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| 15:47.38 | tjisher | Hmm so this is one of those room where no one helps, doesn't bode well |
| 15:48.17 | tjisher | Question is if someone did know would they come at the wood work ? |
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| 15:52.06 | tjisher | Geuss that's my answer :) |
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| 15:53.48 | TheMoonMaster | huh |
| 15:53.55 | Mamarok | tjisher: it's Saturday afternoon in Europe... |
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| 16:00.01 | tjisher | Geus I just assumed an optional workforce would be more active at the weekend, but I take your point |
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| 16:01.47 | Mamarok | optional workforce? ... |
| 16:02.12 | Mamarok | tjisher: I don't know what you imagine KDE people are doing all week long... |
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| 16:06.27 | tjisher | So everyone gets paid to work on kde?! But maybe I'm over emphasizing the hobby element |
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| 16:09.34 | Mamarok | tjisher: no, not at all, but most are working all week long and diserve some free time, don't you think? |
| 16:09.53 | Mamarok | tjisher: what was your question? |
| 16:09.54 | tjisher | :) |
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| 16:10.48 | olaf123 | I have used krdc/krfb in kde 3.5. When I use krdc/krfb now, in kde 4.2, I can login, see the screen, but its terrible with a lot of "colour-blocks" on the screen. Where is my mistake ? |
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| 16:16.10 | tjisher | Me ? No, no question, was just thinking of helping out in some OS project, which means I need to find the maintainers and the if the comm is helpful |
| 16:17.05 | tjisher | My c++ voodoo Is a little weak after all :) |
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| 16:17.37 | templaedhel | why does adept show different results then synaptic? |
| 16:18.55 | Mamarok | templaedhel: no idea, maybe you have unsigned sources |
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| 16:33.21 | jcervidae | does anything like OS X automator exist for kde? |
| 16:34.03 | Mamarok | jcervidae: I don't even know what that is, could you explain the aim of this tool? |
| 16:34.29 | jcervidae | Mamarok: it interacts with programs like a user would, it's a macro program |
| 16:35.00 | Mamarok | jcervidae: but what does it do, and what do yu use it for? |
| 16:35.45 | jcervidae | well, so you can say, make macro to print pdf properly because lpr sucks and okular does it correctly, i can then write macro to make okular print pdf by sending it keyboard inputs/mouse clicks, and turn it into cli program that prints my pdf properly |
| 16:36.24 | jcervidae | or maybe i have to fill in lots of web page forms with a mail merge, it can automate firefox for me (i know not exactly kde there) and do the merge |
| 16:36.34 | jcervidae | (theres already a solution to that called imacro but its not free) |
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| 16:37.30 | Mamarok | jcervidae: write a script using dbus? I don't know if there is a macrorecorder yet in KDE4 |
| 16:37.46 | jcervidae | okular has dbus support? |
| 16:37.54 | pinotree | it does |
| 16:37.59 | jcervidae | awesome |
| 16:38.20 | jcervidae | i mean a macro recorder would be even more awesome but that solves my problem i wanted one for :) |
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| 16:41.24 | junkDawgie | jcervidae: seems i saw a service menu for printing pdf documents (right click out of konqueror) on kde-apps... or kde-look.... might be something you might check. |
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| 16:44.09 | druggy_ | how to prevent QT/KDE from resolving symlinks? at present time it acts the same way as .lnk in windows, which is gay and un-unixish |
| 16:44.54 | jcervidae | junkDawgie: i wanted to be able to do it from the cli without any clicks which i can if it supports print via dbus |
| 16:44.56 | cghislai | druggy_: explain a bit more what you mean please |
| 16:45.10 | druggy_ | cghislai: what part? |
| 16:45.28 | jcervidae | druggy_: if all the trolls on a bridge ate all of your cakes but gave you a penny how many carbon rods would you have? |
| 16:45.40 | cghislai | druggy_: as it acts the same way as windows .lnk |
| 16:46.34 | druggy_ | well. if you click .lnk in windows it transfers you to the directory pointed by that lnk instead of normal way of only adding somename.lnk to your current directory stack |
| 16:46.35 | junkDawgie | jcervidae: my point was that the service menu most likely points to an included script... which may give you some insight. |
| 16:46.54 | druggy_ | jcervidae: i dont understand |
| 16:46.56 | cghislai | pinotree: can i have a private talk? |
| 16:47.10 | pinotree | hm, ok |
| 16:47.19 | jcervidae | druggy_: i thought your question was a joke what do you mean prevent it resolving symlinks of course symlinks should be resolved |
| 16:47.39 | druggy_ | jcervidae: ??? |
| 16:47.56 | jcervidae | druggy_: stop eating my carbon rods. |
| 16:48.09 | druggy_ | jcervidae: symlinks should be just added to current directory name instead of changing focus to new directory, thats the whole idea of symlink |
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| 16:49.15 | druggy_ | jcervidae: you seem to not understand that there are people who think other way than you and imposing your way of thinking on them, as in "symlinks should be resolved" is kinda bad |
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| 16:49.44 | jcervidae | druggy_: ok, ill accept you might be serious and i just don't understand what you mean then |
| 16:50.03 | druggy_ | so far i only found that kde/qt does such strange things as resolving symling in gui, other apps just act in normal unix way |
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| 16:50.40 | jcervidae | druggy_: in dolphin symlink appear to me like the file they point to which is exactly what i want them to do |
| 16:50.50 | druggy_ | jcervidae: http://bugs.kde.org/123230 |
| 16:50.53 | jcervidae | you want a little icon next to them to show they're a symlink, isn't that what windows does with .lnk? |
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| 16:51.53 | jcervidae | druggy_: oh, i don't use konq. |
| 16:51.55 | druggy_ | jcervidae: my point is sortof like that bug description, only i like my symlinks not resolved, as in not changed whole current directory to the directory poitned by symlink |
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| 16:52.32 | jcervidae | you mean you don't want it to resolve the link to its absolute path |
| 16:52.36 | jcervidae | but to pretend it's the symlink |
| 16:52.39 | jcervidae | right? |
| 16:52.39 | druggy_ | jcervidae: its not konq specyfic, it occurs in opera which is only app i use from qt/kde world |
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| 16:53.05 | jcervidae | opens up dolphin and has a play |
| 16:53.49 | jcervidae | druggy_: i have a ~/tmp dir, which is symlinked to from ~/Documents/tmp, Documents is in my CDPATH so i can cd tmp anywhere and end up in.... let's see what dolphin does with this:) |
| 16:54.27 | druggy_ | jcervidae: i have symlink called data in ~ that points to /mnt/big/data, when i cnage into ~/data i want it to be in ~/data as any linux app doews, qt/kde instead does something wierd by taking me to /mnt/big/data so when i chose to one level up i cant get back into point of entry |
| 16:54.58 | jcervidae | druggy_: dolphin doesn't behave this way |
| 16:55.08 | onesandzeros | hello all. When building KDE stuff from source, have any of you seen an error like Unknown CMake command "kde4_add_library"? The distro is Arch, and I'm trying to build an svn pull of Kexi. I was able to build Konversation and Krename without any problems. I'm not sure where I'm going wrong. |
| 16:55.18 | druggy_ | jcervidae: some apps do :( |
| 16:55.21 | jcervidae | my tmp symlink had a little icon on it signifying it was a symlink and the path it changed to was ~/Documents/tmp |
| 16:55.25 | jcervidae | not ~/tmp |
| 16:55.31 | jcervidae | maybe it's a KDE3 problem? |
| 16:55.51 | druggy_ | ive no ide, for me kde was always bonkers on many usability issues |
| 16:55.55 | druggy_ | idea |
| 16:56.18 | druggy_ | i only use few programs from kde desktop, i dont use kde as my main desktop |
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| 16:56.54 | jcervidae | druggy_: is opera even a qt app? |
| 16:56.58 | druggy_ | i thought that there might be some swithch in general kde config that says "dontresolvesymlinksffs = true" |
| 16:57.02 | druggy_ | it is |
| 16:57.12 | druggy_ | i use shared qt version of it |
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| 16:57.22 | druggy_ | guess ill bug them about it |
| 16:57.36 | mokoloko | nope i just heard couple of days ago that it isn't real qt app |
| 16:57.38 | jcervidae | druggy_: you could probably be a dick and make a library which hijacks the resolve symlink c library call, returns a bs result and LD_PRELOAD it into opera :) |
| 16:58.04 | DexterF | let's say I have a dir tree with about 8 levels and lots of pictures in them and I'd like to generate a thumbnail index for all of them - any program that can do that? |
| 16:58.07 | mokoloko | it uses it's own toolkit under qt |
| 16:58.18 | druggy_ | yeah, but it would be quite gay/microsoft way of patching a patch to apatch instead of taking out porblem at root |
| 16:58.32 | jcervidae | druggy_: well i don't have your problems in kde4 |
| 16:58.34 | Mamarok | DexterF: Digikam? |
| 16:58.38 | jcervidae | ... ? |
| 16:58.44 | druggy_ | guess its opera specyfic then |
| 16:58.47 | druggy_ | ;( |
| 16:59.45 | druggy_ | k, thx anyway for claryfing things a bit |
| 17:00.45 | jcervidae | druggy_: give dolphin a chance as a file manager :) it's midnight commander + cli :D |
| 17:00.46 | DexterF | Mamarok: dunno, never really used it |
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| 17:01.02 | Mamarok | DexterF: go for it, it's really nice :) |
| 17:01.08 | druggy_ | jcervidae: i like totalcommander + wine :) |
| 17:01.20 | DexterF | Mamarok: well, why not. |
| 17:01.37 | jcervidae | yeah you keep your oldschool two pane, i got a three pane, the two panes and a third cli pane that follows me around |
| 17:01.45 | jcervidae | how kickass is that? dolphin rocks |
| 17:01.55 | druggy_ | im too stupid for 3pane view :P |
| 17:02.11 | druggy_ | my head only has capacity for 2 :P |
| 17:02.21 | jcervidae | druggy_: when you first install dolphin it looks like windoze explorer too :( it only does that if you open the preferences |
| 17:02.27 | druggy_ | but ill give it a go and wee what it can do |
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| 17:03.02 | jcervidae | druggy_: when i saw it i thought "oh crap they killed kde what is this trash" then went into prefs and realised they just started it in newbie mode but you could turn it into mega-power with a few tickboxes |
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| 17:03.50 | DexterF | Mamarok: it says "Do not use a moutn path on a remote computer" - in bold type. right on start. digikam is out :P |
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| 17:04.18 | jimbobuk | hi folks. Could anyone explain if its possible for me to login to my full kde desktop over the network via a remote xserver. I'm sure i've done it a long time ago but don't even know where to start looking. |
| 17:04.24 | Mamarok | DexterF: then I don't know, sorry |
| 17:04.25 | druggy_ | jcervidae: i know, but still there are many things oss thingies lack when compared to totalcommander, only advantaage of oss soltuions are being native to linux |
| 17:05.16 | jcervidae | druggy_: it's been years since i used totalcommander and my head is a FIFO buffer, name something i'll see if dolphin can do it |
| 17:05.27 | neighborlee | is kde in fedora 11 rc ( yes, its only a 'few' days from release so I felt it was 'stable' enough ) not stalbe or is it fedora itself I wonder causing grief ;)..I tried to resize kde panel, which is amazing btw..and it crashed and restarted itself..I think at the time Iwas resizing 'height'..anyway just curious and thx anyone! |
| 17:05.41 | jcervidae | neighborlee: yes i am talking to you from FC11 |
| 17:05.57 | jcervidae | but don't upgrade with the cd media seriously or you will destroy your system |
| 17:06.04 | jcervidae | only upgrade with a DVD |
| 17:06.25 | druggy_ | jcervidae: cant do since i didnt gave oss a chance since 2-3 years ago, things might have changed since then |
| 17:06.29 | jcervidae | they are half-heartedly taking my bug reports seriously about it, they admit its a problem but they are too focused on the code not the fact it destroys thousands of peoples compuers :) |
| 17:06.39 | neighborlee | jcervidae, nice |
| 17:07.17 | neighborlee | jcervidae, I did a full install |
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| 17:07.33 | neighborlee | jcervidae, are you seeing any such issues ? < maybe I hit a flukey crash who knows > |
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| 17:07.48 | neighborlee | jcervidae, im inclined to think its fedora, as the installer is also very flakey |
| 17:08.28 | jcervidae | neighborlee: anaconda couldn't resolve a dependency problem related to the xsane scanner system somewhere in disk 2, crashed and burned and left me with a system that had half fc10 packages, half fc11 and many simply missing :) |
| 17:08.50 | neighborlee | hmmmmm |
| 17:09.05 | jcervidae | neighborlee: spoke to the devs about it, they informed me a DVD based upgrade would detect the problem as it has all the RPM headers available before beginning where as CD doesnt |
| 17:09.15 | jcervidae | and they screamed at me when i suggested splitting the RPM headers |
| 17:09.28 | jcervidae | so... upgrade to FC11 = yes, do it with CD = NO NO NO , NEVER |
| 17:09.38 | neighborlee | jcervidae, oh happy joy ;)) |
| 17:10.08 | neighborlee | well |
| 17:10.19 | neighborlee | I 'was' going to go with mandriva..I still MIGHT |
| 17:10.34 | neighborlee | but im miffed with them too atm, not having a 64bit livecd installer |
| 17:10.35 | tuxick | try kubuntu |
| 17:10.41 | jcervidae | nah fedora is worth it |
| 17:10.41 | neighborlee | well |
| 17:10.44 | jcervidae | just use the DVD |
| 17:10.46 | jcervidae | not the CD |
| 17:10.48 | neighborlee | I have the dvd |
| 17:10.49 | jcervidae | and all will be well. |
| 17:11.01 | tuxick | gets popcorn for distwar |
| 17:11.03 | mokoloko | pffft yum upgrade will do :P |
| 17:11.23 | Mamarok | tuxick: that would be in -offtopic then :) |
| 17:11.35 | jcervidae | mokoloko: my package-cleanup --problems | wc -l was over 1000 after anaconda fuxed me, i don't thnk yum upgrade would have done much better :) |
| 17:11.39 | neighborlee | I try to avoid buntu* like the plague.dont trust them on any level |
| 17:11.42 | tuxick | hey i'll just watch! |
| 17:11.44 | mokoloko | :D |
| 17:11.50 | jcervidae | is now down to 95 |
| 17:12.12 | neighborlee | so its either fedora or mandriva at this juncture |
| 17:12.50 | jcervidae | neighborlee: fedora is a great distro, but the devs are erm, "hard-edged" types socially if you know what i mean |
| 17:12.53 | neighborlee | and im still semi peaved at fedora for making yum proivdes harder to use..sometimes I wish things could be left alone that work well :)) |
| 17:13.09 | neighborlee | hehehe |
| 17:13.18 | jcervidae | neighborlee: oh come on, yum provides '*/binary' isn't hard :) |
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| 17:13.19 | neighborlee | jcervidae, yea, I totaly know what you mean.. |
| 17:13.27 | neighborlee | jcervidae, its anal |
| 17:13.30 | neighborlee | lol |
| 17:13.54 | neighborlee | jcervidae,any idea why they changed it |
| 17:14.09 | neighborlee | but anyway..the installer is a mess imho.. |
| 17:14.17 | neighborlee | thats a much bigger issue |
| 17:14.31 | neighborlee | BUT |
| 17:14.36 | neighborlee | I do admire fedora alot |
| 17:14.47 | jcervidae | neighborlee: nope. but in linux things change all the time for no reasonable benefit to the end user, which is why i now like high level easy distros like fedora not slackware or gentoo to run my systems so i can have a life which doesn't involve learning other peoples arcane program options :D |
| 17:15.15 | jcervidae | (that obsoltete themselves in 3 months time) |
| 17:15.19 | neighborlee | jcervidae, thats for darn certain ;) |
| 17:15.34 | neighborlee | ROFL |
| 17:15.48 | neighborlee | jcervidae, well said..and I agree 100% |
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| 17:16.39 | neighborlee | jcervidae, well fedora is stil on my system,,,I really do want tokeep it..maybe ill try my LUCK at a bug report,,see if I do any better than poor stefan LOL |
| 17:16.59 | jcervidae | they're actually polite to you in the bug reportse |
| 17:17.11 | neighborlee | oh btw since this is a kde channel...GREAT job with kde 4 guys/gals if any |
| 17:17.16 | neighborlee | its really stunning |
| 17:17.23 | jcervidae | on irc they are asses but their bug report replies are polite and useful :) |
| 17:17.31 | neighborlee | heheh |
| 17:17.45 | neighborlee | jcervidae, irc asses..yes, ive seen that too..:)) |
| 17:17.50 | neighborlee | gets around |
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| 17:18.44 | jcervidae | theres still nothing better than fedora |
| 17:18.54 | jcervidae | pity t doesn't use apt and they scream at you if you ever say so :) |
| 17:18.55 | druggy_ | jcervidae: there is, arch linux |
| 17:18.57 | neighborlee | jcervidae, mandriva is close imho |
| 17:19.09 | neighborlee | jcervidae, haha |
| 17:19.19 | Rioting_Pacifist | unless you actually want to use your computer, or do something crazy like run firefox in kde |
| 17:19.26 | dmead | hey channel, i'm on gentoo trying to get kde4 to work. but i'm having problems using the nvidia opengl implementation |
| 17:19.26 | jcervidae | druggy_: yeah arch is ok, but im scared about using a distro where they think GUI's are evil and most of the dev team are in high school :) |
| 17:19.46 | neighborlee | Rioting_Pacifist, lol ;) |
| 17:19.47 | dmead | when i switch to nvidia, kde4 crashes on startup. when i switch to x11 it runs but runs slowly |
| 17:19.53 | jcervidae | druggy_: have to admit i did like pacman :) |
| 17:20.07 | thiago_home | KDE crashes or X11 crashes? |
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| 17:20.12 | thiago_home | there's an importnat difference there |
| 17:20.12 | druggy_ | jcervidae: thats just fud, arch is really awesome due to its cleannes and simplicity, and i agree that guis on linux are evil :P |
| 17:20.13 | neighborlee | jcervidae, and rc.conf is indeed nice..one file is handy ;)) |
| 17:20.25 | dmead | thiago_home, kde crashes and i have to kill x11 |
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| 17:20.36 | neighborlee | evil my arse..its all what YOU like |
| 17:20.40 | thiago_home | dmead: since KDE is not an application, which application crashes? |
| 17:20.48 | dmead | ksm_server |
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| 17:20.53 | Rioting_Pacifist | druggy_: simplicity doesn't mean don't do anything and fail misserably when you try and use prelinking |
| 17:20.54 | thiago_home | ouch |
| 17:20.54 | neighborlee | remember linus comments about gnome DUMBing things down..lets not go there shall we ? ;))) |
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| 17:20.57 | dmead | hold on and i'll get the line from dmsg |
| 17:20.59 | druggy_ | i like openbox, but i have lotsof terminals open :P |
| 17:21.20 | thiago_home | but I don't know nvidia could influence ksmserver, since it isn't even graphical |
| 17:21.26 | Rioting_Pacifist | dmead: be happy you can kill it, my xorg zombies if i open a corrupted firefox profile |
| 17:21.32 | druggy_ | and i woudnt use anything bloated as kde or gnome, thx but no thanks :P |
| 17:21.49 | neighborlee | well that I do respect alot yes |
| 17:22.01 | druggy_ | some kde apps are gems tho, but there are few and far between |
| 17:22.05 | Rioting_Pacifist | druggy_: features != bload |
| 17:22.09 | neighborlee | clean and small and useable.I agree is sexy ;) |
| 17:22.14 | dmead | thiago_home, well the segfault message says it's from libgl |
| 17:22.16 | neighborlee | sexy..kewl..efficient... |
| 17:22.27 | thiago_home | druggy_: bloated means big beyond reason and diseased |
| 17:22.32 | neighborlee | lol |
| 17:22.36 | thiago_home | dmead: hmm |
| 17:22.39 | thiago_home | dmead: which KDE version? |
| 17:22.39 | JukeBoxHero | Half-Left: are you the one who introduced me to Arora? |
| 17:22.45 | dmead | 4.2.1 |
| 17:22.53 | thiago_home | dmead: then it can't be what I'm thinking about |
| 17:22.56 | jcervidae | druggy_: 200gb hd's cost $10 on eBay bloated? who carews |
| 17:22.56 | druggy_ | thiago_home: well, thats what exactly kde or gnome look like, isnt it? :P |
| 17:22.58 | dmead | hmm |
| 17:23.00 | neighborlee | druggy_, like k3b..konversation.. |
| 17:23.03 | Half-Left | JukeBoxHero: Can't remember |
| 17:23.12 | thiago_home | wonders why ksmserver links to libplasma |
| 17:23.23 | JukeBoxHero | Half-Left: ok but you know it right? |
| 17:23.43 | druggy_ | people with kernals without spinlock care to save last few amps on their batteries to have ultra mobile thingies :) |
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| 17:23.46 | dmead | thiago_home, here it is: ksmserver[6591]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f6e6e3e55ea sp 00007fff81d1dc88 error 4 in libGLcore.so.180.60[7f6e6d90e000+da2000] |
| 17:24.05 | Half-Left | Sure, yep. I recommend it sometimes |
| 17:24.08 | jcervidae | druggy_: sorry i didn't install KDE on my android phone |
| 17:24.11 | thiago_home | druggy_: I don't think you can have a kernel without spinlocks |
| 17:24.18 | thiago_home | druggy_: or any threading support |
| 17:24.31 | dmead | lockless threads :o |
| 17:24.32 | druggy_ | i kike k3b, and kdevelop 3.5 was cool too, but newer one is broken badly |
| 17:24.33 | thiago_home | dmead: well, that library is supplied by NVidia |
| 17:24.54 | thiago_home | dmead: that's implemented by the kernel with spinlock primitives |
| 17:24.59 | dmead | ah |
| 17:25.03 | thiago_home | dmead: and preemption |
| 17:25.05 | jcervidae | druggy_: weird that, i hate k3b it always coasters for me, wodim and growisofs for the win |
| 17:25.10 | thiago_home | I meant druggy_ for the last two messages |
| 17:26.49 | jcervidae | thiago_home: what is your job? you are actually the oracle. |
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| 17:27.08 | thiago_home | jcervidae: Product Manager for Qt |
| 17:27.20 | jcervidae | that explains it |
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| 17:29.56 | Rioting_Pacifist | Do kross scripts work on ( ktorrent Version 3.2.1Using KDE 4.2.3 )? |
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| 17:31.22 | redorange | kde works very slow in kubuntu on my laptop |
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| 17:31.31 | redorange | graphics card or the cpu is the reason? |
| 17:31.36 | jcervidae | redorange: kubuntu is slow, install fedora |
| 17:31.39 | druggy_ | jcervidae: how do you burn disks with that? |
| 17:31.56 | Rioting_Pacifist | redorange: fedora sucks stick with kubuntu, just turn of desktop effects |
| 17:32.03 | redorange | kde has a very nice cd burn software |
| 17:32.09 | druggy_ | jcervidae: i used it before when it was called cdrtools or such, but it was a bit pain, and k3b does nice things to wrangle that mess |
| 17:32.19 | jcervidae | druggy_: hold on while i look in the notes program tomboy which comes with FEDORA... :) |
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| 17:32.34 | druggy_ | :D |
| 17:32.37 | jcervidae | wodim -dao dev=/dev/dvd ~/Download/stresslinux-0.3.1.iso |
| 17:32.38 | redorange | tomboy comes in every kde i guess |
| 17:32.46 | jcervidae | tomboy is a GNOME mono app |
| 17:32.48 | jcervidae | not kde |
| 17:32.54 | redorange | omg really? |
| 17:32.57 | jcervidae | yeh |
| 17:33.02 | jcervidae | the kde equivilent is gay |
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| 17:33.08 | redorange | yellow post it one |
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| 17:33.17 | druggy_ | jcervidae: , well cool but i ment, how do you do archive of your stuff, decide on which stuf goes in which disk etc |
| 17:33.33 | redorange | k3b is very good |
| 17:33.51 | tuxick | you mean it's been ported now? |
| 17:33.51 | jcervidae | druggy_: mkisofs -o ../HaxedFedora-dvd.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -R -T -J . |
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| 17:34.14 | jcervidae | druggy_: better answer: i keep notes in tomboy |
| 17:34.15 | jcervidae | :) |
| 17:34.16 | druggy_ | jcervidae: i see,... thats why i like k3b :P |
| 17:34.16 | zc00gii | what does plasmoids use to run? |
| 17:34.22 | zc00gii | javascript right? |
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| 17:35.08 | jcervidae | druggy_: start a notebook , besides thats unfair i was making a bootable windoze,linux,dos,everything compatible dvd there |
| 17:35.11 | einar77 | zc00gii: C++, javascript, ruby, python and possibly others, depends on the type |
| 17:35.37 | jcervidae | druggy_: install tomboy it's worth it |
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| 17:35.57 | jcervidae | or some whatever equivilent note taking program |
| 17:36.11 | jcervidae | hell even vi and a directory hierarchy would be better than nothing :) |
| 17:36.17 | jcervidae | you can always fgrep. |
| 17:36.34 | jcervidae | tomboy makes it EASY though which is why you should install it |
| 17:36.47 | jcervidae | i have hundreds of notes of how to do things in linux i copy and paste from every day |
| 17:37.22 | druggy_ | jcervidae: i keep my todoos in .txt, which i then grep and pipe to conky, works much better than tomboy notes, at least for me :) |
| 17:37.56 | druggy_ | more cleaner and faster to do anything with it form keyboard only :) |
| 17:38.05 | jcervidae | druggy_: i have beagle installed, i press alt+space type "burn dvd" and im presented with all my own language explaination and copy/paste boilerplates of how to master dvds from the cli |
| 17:38.28 | jcervidae | it takes me less than 40 seconds to do and i don't need a cerebral memory to make it work |
| 17:38.30 | jcervidae | fantastic. |
| 17:40.52 | druggy_ | its webpage doesnt have screenshots :( |
| 17:40.55 | jcervidae | druggy_: thats why i dont like arch linux |
| 17:41.04 | jcervidae | it's NOT always faster from the CLI |
| 17:41.12 | druggy_ | ? |
| 17:41.45 | jcervidae | sometimes the GUI does it better, especially if you are working with a files group that have properties which are hard to express simply in logical terms |
| 17:41.56 | druggy_ | beagle still looks a bit of mess, i always kept my dirs clean and hadn had need for such thing |
| 17:41.59 | jcervidae | swhy i got three-pane file manager, split pane and CLI |
| 17:42.45 | jcervidae | druggy_: put the extended attributes on the file system if you dont like it u can always delete it, beagle is a mess but being able to press alt+space and type burn dvd and press enter in 5 seconds as a work flow is worth it |
| 17:43.27 | druggy_ | as long it flows your boat its cool i guess, my workflow is different |
| 17:43.49 | jcervidae | druggy_: do you have a tiling wm? |
| 17:44.06 | druggy_ | no, openbox+conky |
| 17:44.20 | jcervidae | well then at least we might understand one another |
| 17:44.27 | jcervidae | i'll never get the tiling wm people :) |
| 17:44.40 | jcervidae | kde launches my apps on the right virtual desktop at the size i told it to |
| 17:44.47 | druggy_ | yeah, theyre quite strange :P |
| 17:44.55 | jcervidae | why the hell would i want some random tiling decision that makes vi too small and firefox too big |
| 17:46.16 | druggy_ | yup, thats a bit akward, but i know some ppl like it yet i dont know why :P |
| 17:46.41 | jcervidae | druggy_: what gets me is that the people who like it are usually geekier than me, that is more skilled with PCs |
| 17:47.08 | jcervidae | so it seems like im missing something, except i replay it again and again and i think it's just that they are better coders and don't understand how to manage windows :) |
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| 17:48.15 | druggy_ | its cool to do things completely mouselss, but for some apps it just doesnt work, and seting oneself in such rigid env is imo a bit strange, but i guess they know something about it i dont, its still on my to check out whehter i like it or not list :) |
| 17:48.38 | jcervidae | druggy_: i use KDE practically mouseless .... |
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| 17:48.54 | jcervidae | except it opens the windows where i TOLD it to, on the virtual desktop i TOLD it to |
| 17:49.10 | jcervidae | xnomad opens it where it thinks it should be how big it thinks it should be |
| 17:49.11 | jcervidae | i don't get it |
| 17:49.43 | druggy_ | there are many flavours of tiling managers, that one isnt the best afair what others told me |
| 17:50.28 | jcervidae | druggy_: only thing in kde i use the mouse for really is file operations where the files have properties which aren't easily scriptable under 30 seconds with some grep awk sed xargs, etc |
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| 17:50.45 | jcervidae | and then the GUI is the superior solution which is why the arch attitude annoys me |
| 17:50.59 | jcervidae | every pawn for it's square |
| 17:52.46 | druggy_ | well, most people use guis on arch, but having them defaoult is evil since there are many uses for non X boxes |
| 17:53.17 | jcervidae | druggy_: i last tried arch about 5 years ago they talked to me like i was a fool because i was a kde fan boy |
| 17:53.23 | jcervidae | linus torvalds is a kde fan boy |
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| 17:53.48 | Rioting_Pacifist | druggy_: some distros have the crazy idea that you can have a seperate install disc for the non X boxes |
| 17:53.49 | jcervidae | he is smarter than me or the creator of arch linux, it was dumb |
| 17:53.52 | druggy_ | its only to keep core very sane and clean, but it allows of many modifications, sortol like slackware but with many automations to meet modern standarts :P |
| 17:53.54 | jcervidae | and resulted in changing distros |
| 17:54.05 | Rioting_Pacifist | jcervidae: *was* KDE4 didn't impress him much |
| 17:54.16 | druggy_ | *sortof |
| 17:54.53 | jcervidae | Rioting_Pacifist: hmm :) i don't like the way the KDE devs react with "we do this for free, fuck you" but can't hold it against them because it's true |
| 17:55.03 | jcervidae | (re: bugs in kde4) |
| 17:56.09 | jcervidae | anyway i persisted with kde4 and found it worth the effort in the long run, its not very stable but all the things which crash are nonsense like plasma and it just restarts without anything bad having happened |
| 17:56.14 | jcervidae | so i'm still a kde fan boy |
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| 17:56.24 | Rioting_Pacifist | arch and fedora have there places, but i hate idiots that claim they are better than the kubuntu/etc, all distros have thier place |
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| 17:56.57 | druggy_ | you can still have your kde on arch, no biggie, but yet youll be still frowned upon by openbox folks :P |
| 17:57.03 | Eko|afk | hi! |
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| 17:57.27 | jcervidae | Rioting_Pacifist: ok, ignoring your idiot label, what you say is sort of true, but the fractionation of the linux community is also why it isn't the success it should be |
| 17:58.03 | jcervidae | we would all be better with one distro that was was as easy to use as windows, as customizable as gentoo and if everyone stopped their pet projects it could happen |
| 17:58.46 | jcervidae | not sure how to put the money behind it mind you, i'm not an accountant |
| 17:58.57 | jcervidae | but a good accountant could become bill gates mk 2 if he worked it out :) |
| 17:59.20 | Rioting_Pacifist | jcervidae: we would be much worse off, because everybody would be stuck on an unstable rolling release OR a lame old timed released OR a really old "when its ready release" |
| 17:59.36 | druggy_ | there is ubuntu that does exactly that, its pain to configure as gentoo, and it looks like windows :P |
| 17:59.53 | druggy_ | looks and behaves :P |
| 17:59.59 | jcervidae | Rioting_Pacifist: i disagree and we leave it at that. :) |
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| 18:00.21 | jimbobuk | hey folks. So i just managed to do an ssh -X to my server, and then startkde actually started booting.. When it got there tho some of my windows didn't seem to appear properly. Anyone got any suggestions |
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| 18:00.45 | jcervidae | druggy_: that thing was horrible i wish i never heard of it |
| 18:00.53 | Rioting_Pacifist | kubuntu users would be stuck with the hard to setup, unstable distro like fedora (which im currently using) or old stable distro (like debian which i also use), all distros have thier faults, arch has MANY |
| 18:01.25 | druggy_ | jimbobuk: do you share your remote dir via nfs or sth similiar? if not then there might be different settings for windows on remote and on local |
| 18:01.26 | Rioting_Pacifist | pacman and aur cant lay a finger on apt, and having to upgrade constantly isn't for everybody |
| 18:02.10 | jimbobuk | druggy_: I've not setup remote sharing at all yet, i'm ssh-ing onto the machine and trying to host a desktop session on the server but drawn via the xserver on my client |
| 18:02.29 | jcervidae | Rioting_Pacifist: i agree with everything you just said there, what i was trying to convey before is if you got all those clever people on the same project, put one 14" penis boss in charge to STFU everyones personal peeves and direct it towards a common goal of all base belong to linux, you'd not just get a mac os x killer ud get a windows killer |
| 18:02.33 | druggy_ | jimbobuk: i know, i use similar setup |
| 18:02.48 | jimbobuk | druggy_: the client is a mac, so perhaps it was this that wasn't working so well |
| 18:03.14 | jimbobuk | druggy_: i couldn't actually move away from the remote "desktop" either.. so ended up having to ssh onto my mac and kill its xserver to get back to normal |
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| 18:03.24 | jimbobuk | druggy_: so you are able to login to remote machines with full desktops in kde4 then? |
| 18:03.59 | ThePeg | hi together, i'm trying to get kde 4.2 to run with ubuntu 9.04 (from debootstrap), but the startup stops right after the splash, no taskbar, no icons but a coursor; i can't find anything wrong in the logs, any suggestions how to locate the problem? |
| 18:04.18 | jcervidae | brb 15 min |
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| 18:05.04 | druggy_ | jimbobuk: hmm... ah, that one, no i only used remote apps via ssh on my local machine with my local window manage, i never used window manage via remote x connection |
| 18:05.14 | Rioting_Pacifist | ThePeg: once xorg starts can you add kde apps from a tty using DISPLAY=:0 konqueror, etc |
| 18:05.15 | druggy_ | manager |
| 18:05.32 | jimbobuk | druggy_: ahh ok. well its meant to be possible.. i'm going in again with fullscreen X11 app on mac, perhaps it'll behave a bit better |
| 18:06.16 | Rioting_Pacifist | ThePeg: start up components one by one and figure which is failing (kwin, kicker (called something else in kde4),kdesktop(might be part of the new kicker) |
| 18:07.26 | druggy_ | jimbobuk: theres always tightvnc, but its a bit cumbersome when compared to raw X, it cant do opengl via ssh, which is cool on some occasions :) |
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| 18:08.10 | druggy_ | playing gltron on remote machine with display on local is ftw when machines are few kilometers apart :P |
| 18:08.31 | ThePeg | Rioting_Pacifist: : when i try to start a app i get "Bus error" on tty |
| 18:08.58 | jimbobuk | druggy_: yeah i'd like to really just not need to hook up the monitor often on this thing so performance being great when needed will be fa |
| 18:08.58 | jimbobuk | fab |
| 18:09.08 | Rioting_Pacifist | ThePeg: any app? what if you start X by itself then startloading parts in? |
| 18:09.49 | ThePeg | what parts do you mean? |
| 18:10.07 | druggy_ | jimbobuk: vnc has also nice bonus of acting as commandline screen equivalent, so i.e. i have that way utorrent running on wine on linux box :) |
| 18:10.59 | jimbobuk | druggy_: different command line screen than just ssh-ing and staying at the terminal? |
| 18:11.59 | druggy_ | jimbobuk: vnc acts like rdp on windows, its window on desktop can be closed and it still lives on server |
| 18:13.02 | jimbobuk | druggy_: ahh |
| 18:13.53 | druggy_ | sortof x-server-in-a-box that one can connect to with viewer |
| 18:14.19 | druggy_ | but it has performance issues, no hw acceleration inside |
| 18:16.02 | druggy_ | at least last time i checked for it about few yers ago it didnt had opengl |
| 18:18.13 | jimbobuk | druggy_: well it worked this time.. my mac client i enabled the root window... and it seems to be working |
| 18:18.28 | jimbobuk | druggy_: nice! tho u do see some lag over wifi on some of the menu widgets |
| 18:18.44 | druggy_ | cool:) |
| 18:19.19 | jimbobuk | perhaps a more lightweight WM would be appropriate, but very impressed... |
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| 18:28.17 | jcervidae | how about this for an idea, forget X. write a new low-level library from ground up to support QT which uses direct openGL |
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| 18:28.39 | jcervidae | then u got KDE on steroids |
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| 18:29.40 | jcervidae | X should be killed off it's legacy and needs to die, continued supporting of it holds back progress like all conservative views |
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| 18:30.09 | jcervidae | its gotta be a big project right? but imagine if you pull it off? get google summer project funding :) |
| 18:30.18 | jcervidae | some wizzkid can do it for nothing |
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| 18:30.21 | kdepepo | jcervidae, first have the replacement, then obsolete X. |
| 18:30.34 | jcervidae | kdepepo: yes of course |
| 18:30.45 | jcervidae | you can't obsolete X without something to replace it :) |
| 18:30.51 | jcervidae | but it SHOULD be obsoleted |
| 18:31.04 | jcervidae | and if your new system just supported QT via the latest opengl |
| 18:31.15 | jcervidae | well you're well on the way to having something fast and very cool |
| 18:31.29 | jcervidae | , compile firefox with that QT-GTK bridge library thing |
| 18:31.33 | jcervidae | and bam your all set |
| 18:32.07 | zenga | i want to execute a mouseclick on an x/y coordinate (that i can specify) on my desktop when i click a shortcut combination on my keyboard, anyone an idea how to achieve this, what scripting lang/tool can do this? |
| 18:32.19 | zenga | kde / opensuse 11.0 |
| 18:32.32 | zenga | kde 3.5.9 |
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| 18:33.44 | jcervidae | zenga: i asked a similar question earlier and nobody had an answer :/ tho i was asking for a macro program the problem is the same one, maybe your answer is to hijack the keyboard or mouse driver. |
| 18:34.18 | zenga | there is a macro program (xnee), but its a bit too complicated for the needs i have |
| 18:34.22 | CPU_Wizard | hello. is there any superkaramba/plasma gadget to put a konsole window as plugin at my desktop? |
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| 18:34.30 | jcervidae | mind you thinking about it and my minor qt programming experience u shouldnt need to do that |
| 18:34.34 | jcervidae | u can just send signals |
| 18:34.50 | jcervidae | ptrace the app |
| 18:35.17 | jcervidae | fire off events |
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| 18:35.33 | jcervidae | zenga: hmm ill look at it |
| 18:35.37 | jcervidae | cuz i want a macro prog |
| 18:36.01 | zenga | there is also JW_Record_Playback |
| 18:36.10 | jcervidae | not part of my distro apparently |
| 18:36.14 | jimbobuk | anyone know where i can set to do a console boot instead of a windows manager one, leaving me to just type startx once logged in |
| 18:36.20 | zenga | though i prefer to keep my system as standard as possible |
| 18:36.44 | jcervidae | i remember screwing around with ptrace for a day it should probably be quite easy to attach a process and send it bogus events to fire the required signals |
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| 18:37.20 | zenga | i'll have a look, never heard / used it |
| 18:37.20 | jcervidae | if u really need a click on x/y co-ords not an app specific response well i dunno :) |
| 18:37.32 | jcervidae | zenga: its for debugging but its quite simple |
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| 18:37.40 | jcervidae | it lets u "enter" the program |
| 18:37.50 | jcervidae | then u can send it commands and call its functions like you are it |
| 18:37.51 | zenga | yeah well its basically for a browser game lol |
| 18:38.03 | zenga | allright |
| 18:38.06 | jcervidae | man ptrace |
| 18:38.10 | jcervidae | or if ur in kde |
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| 18:38.18 | jcervidae | man:ptrace from konq |
| 18:38.27 | jcervidae | cept i always found the console one faster to navigate |
| 18:38.37 | jcervidae | but the konq kioslave version looked so much nicer :/ |
| 18:38.38 | zenga | alreadt reading the man |
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| 18:52.09 | spirov92 | can someone help me get flash running in kde4 konqueror? |
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| 18:52.47 | spirov92 | oh, saw the topic-running 4.2 on openSUSE 11.1 |
| 18:59.53 | spirov92 | I dare to ask the forbidden question: anyone here? |
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| 19:12.18 | infinull | spirov92: (I was trying to help you yesterday right?): on Arch, I just install konq-plugins, flashplugin, and libflashsupport, and it works |
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| 19:13.46 | sandsmark | meh, xcompmgr works, kwin just refuses to give me compositing |
| 19:13.48 | infinull | spirov92: what does about:plugins say? are any plugins installed? |
| 19:14.05 | sandsmark | kwin(22511) KWin::Extensions::init: Extensions: shape: 0x "11" composite: 0x "4" render: 0x "a" fixes: 0x "40" |
| 19:14.05 | sandsmark | kwin(22511) KWin::Workspace::setupCompositing: No compositing |
| 19:14.16 | sandsmark | (is the output when trying to enable it) |
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| 19:24.35 | spirov92 | infinull: hi again |
| 19:25.05 | infinull | spirov92: hello |
| 19:26.53 | spirov92 | http://pastebin.com/m41cff3f3 here's about:plugins |
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| 19:27.31 | sandsmark | âKWIN_COMPOSE=O kwin --replace&â worked |
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| 19:28.29 | zc00gii | what program is ran to add widgets? |
| 19:29.00 | spirov92 | infinull: I installed nspluginwrapper and kdebase4-nsplugin yesterday, what else do I have to do? |
| 19:30.07 | infinull | spirov92: I'm at a loss, about:plugins says you have flash installed, you're sure it doesn't work? |
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| 19:32.00 | spirov92 | infinull: weird... it apears that it is installed, but it's somehow broken. |
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| 19:32.44 | infinull | spirov92: could it be a 64-bit/32-bit issue? (are you running 64-bit linux?) |
| 19:32.46 | spirov92 | on youtube, it shows me a black rectanle, and right-clicking on it shows the dialog typical for flash |
| 19:33.04 | spirov92 | infinull: no, I use a 32-bit machine and 32-bit software :p |
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| 19:33.49 | Fanoflinux | how can we use synaptic in fedora |
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| 19:34.11 | infinull | spirov92: hmmm... I would try uninstalling flash; rebooting; installing flash; rebooting; and then trying again; unlikely to work, but it's the best I've got |
| 19:34.27 | spirov92 | infinull: I'll run it in a terminal and see if there's any errors |
| 19:34.44 | infinull | probably a good plan as well... |
| 19:35.31 | thiago_home | what does rebooting have to do with anything? |
| 19:35.47 | infinull | flash is weird; |
| 19:35.52 | drantin | "in a windows world" |
| 19:35.59 | infinull | sometimes I kick it and it starts working again |
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| 19:36.25 | infinull | but that was when I was running kubuntu (64-bit w/ the 64 bit flash beta) |
| 19:36.49 | infinull | usually I'd just need to restart firefox though... |
| 19:36.56 | spirov92 | infinull: konqueror output: http://pastebin.com/m18d229bd |
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| 19:39.14 | mbwjr12 | hey all. I'm using kate and konqueror to build a website, with file access over sftp. My login and password are stored in kwallet, however both prompt me to click ok when saving files, etc. to these sites. |
| 19:39.31 | mbwjr12 | is there a way to disable this and just have it automatically use your saved info when it needs to? |
| 19:39.54 | infinull | spirov92: this is what mine looks like: http://pastebin.com/m13194ea0 |
| 19:40.10 | tuxick | didn't know kate could work over sftp |
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| 19:40.27 | mbwjr12 | tuxick: the kio protocol handlers work kde wide. |
| 19:40.30 | infinull | so basically that Gdk error seems to be "normal" (youtube works for me) |
| 19:40.44 | mbwjr12 | tuxick: you just type in the protocol in any kde dialog and it should work. |
| 19:40.53 | tuxick | ah :) |
| 19:40.55 | tuxick | neat |
| 19:41.01 | tuxick | wasn't aware of that |
| 19:41.08 | tuxick | i knew konq was pretty smart |
| 19:41.18 | mbwjr12 | it's so useful it's probably my favorite kde feature. |
| 19:41.24 | tuxick | i can imagine |
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| 19:41.50 | mbwjr12 | you can use fish://<hostname> to access files over ssh without having to install samba, ftp, etc. |
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| 19:43.00 | tuxick | why fish instead of sftp? |
| 19:43.30 | mbwjr12 | sftp is nice, if your target is an ftp server. however, let's say you have to linux machines you want to transfer files over, and you already have ssh installed. |
| 19:43.50 | mbwjr12 | then, you just use fish://targetmachine to access those files without having to install ftp |
| 19:43.59 | mbwjr12 | to = two |
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| 19:44.45 | mbwjr12 | i use it all the time for managing servers without having to worry about configuring and maintaining ftp access correctly. |
| 19:44.57 | tuxick | uh? |
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| 19:45.54 | mbwjr12 | tuxick: http://isdepartment.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/introduction-to-the-kdes-kio-slaves-using-fish/ |
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| 19:47.13 | tuxick | sftp isn't ftp |
| 19:47.15 | coz_ | hey guys when trying a few superkaramba themes I get an error to install additional kross stuff? |
| 19:47.25 | sandsmark | sftp > fish |
| 19:47.31 | mbwjr12 | tuxick: sftp is encrypted ftp |
| 19:47.32 | tuxick | k will try! |
| 19:47.36 | mbwjr12 | tuxick: fish = ssh |
| 19:47.40 | thiago_home | no |
| 19:47.49 | thiago_home | sftp is file transfer over SSH |
| 19:47.53 | thiago_home | encrypted ftp is ftps |
| 19:47.58 | tuxick | "SFTP is not FTP run over SSH, but rather a new protocol designed from the ground up by the IETF SECSH working group." |
| 19:48.01 | tuxick | ye |
| 19:48.09 | sandsmark | yes, and ~all ssh daemons support sftp |
| 19:48.21 | infinull | unless sftp has been disabled |
| 19:48.22 | sandsmark | and it is the recommended way to transfer files over ssh |
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| 19:48.29 | infinull | (damn you University sysadmins!) |
| 19:48.31 | sandsmark | infinull: never seen a server without it |
| 19:48.35 | mbwjr12 | sandsmark: then why fish at all? |
| 19:48.48 | sandsmark | mbwjr12: because it's needed when sftp isn't available? |
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| 19:49.01 | thiago_home | fish is useful when the server doesn't have the sftp subsystem enabled |
| 19:49.03 | thiago_home | it happens |
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| 19:49.22 | mbwjr12 | thiago_home: is that way less secure than sftp? |
| 19:49.52 | thiago_home | no |
| 19:49.54 | thiago_home | just as secure |
| 19:50.00 | infinull | just slower |
| 19:50.03 | thiago_home | both solutions work over ssh |
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| 19:50.11 | thiago_home | not necessarily slower, but with a larger setup overhead |
| 19:50.14 | mbwjr12 | right, then what is the advantage of sftp over fish? |
| 19:50.16 | thiago_home | it requires shell access though |
| 19:50.16 | sandsmark | and one is much less hackish, imho |
| 19:50.36 | thiago_home | for most purposes, sftp and fish are equals |
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| 19:51.57 | mbwjr12 | maybe one of you can answer my original question then. |
| 19:52.16 | mbwjr12 | how do i have kio automatically use my saved login and password with me having to click ok on the dialog? |
| 19:52.36 | mbwjr12 | * without me having to click ok on the dialog? |
| 19:53.12 | sandsmark | I use sftp and a ssh public key |
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| 19:54.30 | mbwjr12 | sandsmark: i don't think that is an option in this case |
| 19:54.43 | sandsmark | I'm not aware of any other options |
| 19:55.48 | mbwjr12 | well, kio knows my login, i just want it to use it without asking |
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| 19:57.05 | SSJ_GZ | mbwjr12: IIRC, there is a long-standing bug report about this. |
| 19:57.18 | mbwjr12 | SSJ_GZ: ah, i see |
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| 20:16.59 | guax | productive saturday, desktop refresh =P -> http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4561/desktopujx.jpg |
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| 20:20.13 | tuxick | amarok went nuts |
| 20:20.22 | tuxick | now shows and plays every song twice |
| 20:21.20 | TheMoonMaster | lol |
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| 20:24.29 | andreas__ | Is KDe 4.2.86 a kde 4.3 beta or a kde 4.2.4? Because bugs.kde.org doesnt let me add a wish/bug for kde 4.2.86 distributed as a suse rpm for the new milestone they have |
| 20:25.12 | sandsmark | 4.3ish |
| 20:25.22 | jimbobuk | is it a problem that i show no network connections under manage network connections |
| 20:25.30 | jimbobuk | but the lan is working? |
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| 20:25.37 | jimbobuk | sorry it IS working, yet not listed |
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| 20:26.35 | andreas__ | sandsmark starnge the bugs kde.org site doesnt let me add a bug for that and claims that i havent set a kde relesase |
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| 20:40.13 | DocTrax | hi all |
| 20:40.19 | DocTrax | i have problem with plasma |
| 20:40.43 | DocTrax | it hangs after a few minutes |
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| 20:41.36 | DocTrax | the tasks become invisible but are clickable |
| 20:41.54 | DocTrax | the desktop disappears |
| 20:42.17 | DocTrax | the context menu does not work anymore |
| 20:42.30 | DocTrax | workaround is restarting plasma |
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| 20:47.45 | Kollapse | Hi, is there any way to have a laptop's display turn off after let's say 1 minute ? |
| 20:48.15 | sandsmark | Kollapse: what version of KDE? |
| 20:48.19 | Kollapse | KDE 4.2 |
| 20:48.22 | Kollapse | I don't just mean blank |
| 20:48.25 | Kollapse | I mean off |
| 20:48.58 | sandsmark | Kollapse: system settings â advanced â system â power management |
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| 20:50.42 | Kollapse | Is it at ... -> Edit Profiles -> any profile -> Screen -> Enable display power management ? |
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| 20:51.41 | Kollapse | If it is then I can't think of the difference between Standby and Suspend. Are they refering to suspeding the screen or the whole computer ? |
| 20:52.38 | sandsmark | yeah |
| 20:52.47 | Kollapse | yeah what ? |
| 20:52.49 | sandsmark | yeah to the first |
| 20:52.51 | sandsmark | :-) |
| 20:53.09 | Kollapse | ok and which one of the options should I enable ? Are they refering to the monitor or the computer ? |
| 20:53.13 | sandsmark | the screen stuff is under the screen tab |
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| 20:53.59 | Kollapse | Ok, and the difference between standby and suspend? |
| 20:54.43 | sandsmark | I have no idea |
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| 21:01.50 | mustu | what is the key board shortcut to switch tabs in Konsole |
| 21:02.06 | Ralesk | shift-left/right |
| 21:02.15 | Ralesk | that's the default, anyway |
| 21:02.32 | mustu | Ralesk: ya it worked .. thanx |
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| 21:03.22 | Ralesk | as a packager, I tend to compile KDE unstable releases (4.2.xx) and I found that since .85 (including that), the Plasma themes do not work... Everything except for Aya, displays a black border and is otherwise horribly broken. |
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| 21:03.37 | Ralesk | on the other hand, I've been told that the openSuse builds of the same releases do work just fine -- I'm not sure what could be going wrong, I don't patch anything but .desktop files and they don't hack away on plasma either... |
| 21:04.31 | Ralesk | anyone any guesses what might be going on? is there some change in the Beta I should be aware of? |
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| 21:11.59 | fatalerrors | what do you think of this idea: http://jeff.levasseur.tuxfamily.org/?p=12 |
| 21:12.04 | fatalerrors | ? |
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| 21:13.40 | sandsmark | fatalerrors: there's already a brainstorm subforum on the kde forums |
| 21:14.40 | fatalerrors | sandsmark: where? i'm not realy speaking about brainstorming... it's more about coordination |
| 21:14.54 | sandsmark | what do you mean coordination? |
| 21:16.46 | sandsmark | here's the brainstorm thingy: http://forum.kde.org/kde-brainstorm-f-83.html |
| 21:20.01 | kdepepo | isn't techbase all about developer coordination for the different KDE projects? |
| 21:20.28 | fatalerrors | managing task that have to be done (by publishing enough information for new developers) with priority |
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| 21:22.32 | fatalerrors | new developers in actual projects can continue... the more we have developers on the same project, the less the project can die |
| 21:24.55 | sandsmark | like on bugzilla? |
| 21:25.05 | sandsmark | where they mark jobs as junior jobs for new developers? |
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| 21:34.32 | reavertm | apparently there was some attempt - http://kde.org/jobs/open.php - but that was not the way really I guess |
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| 21:37.36 | reavertm | I guess some 'staffing needs' page (maybe autogenerated - tracking svn commit count excluding scripty) would be needed. Junior jobs currently accessible as bugzilla search |
| 21:39.06 | reavertm | (mark bug with keyword: junior-jobs) |
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| 21:45.14 | arkascha | Hm, no sound when playing youtube in konqueror or firefox. Sound ok otherwise. Any ideas ? Using kde-4.2.88 @ opensuse. |
| 21:45.27 | thiago_home | blame Adobe |
| 21:45.47 | arkascha | thiago_home: ok, did so, but still I can't hear anything. |
| 21:46.05 | thiago_home | does your distro use pulseaudio? |
| 21:46.21 | arkascha | thiago_home: actually I have no idea. How do I find out ? |
| 21:46.33 | thiago_home | is there a process called "pulseaudio" running? |
| 21:46.48 | arkascha | No. |
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| 21:47.03 | thiago_home | ok, then I don't know |
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| 21:50.20 | coz_ | ok my two day love affair with kde is beginning to fade :) still the icon grid.. with panel at top of screen.. lets icons rest under the panel... the device notifier widget is painful on panel or on desktop .... any solutions? |
| 21:50.41 | arkascha | thiago_home: Ooops, actually pulseaudio IS running. Fired the "ps" on the wrong system, sorry ! |
| 21:50.53 | thiago_home | arkascha: heh, been there done that |
| 21:50.58 | thiago_home | arkascha: try killing pulseaudio |
| 21:51.03 | coz_ | I am also getting kross errors with superkaramba on kde 4.2.4 |
| 21:51.06 | arkascha | thiago_home: ! |
| 21:51.08 | thiago_home | arkascha: then try youtube |
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| 21:52.31 | arkascha | thiago_home: silent as a rock. |
| 21:52.48 | thiago_home | kill it again |
| 21:52.51 | thiago_home | it comes back |
| 21:53.04 | arkascha | thiago_home: oh: "I'll be back ! " |
| 21:54.20 | arkascha | thiago_home: you are a genius ! |
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| 21:54.38 | ghabit | Hello. Is it possible to manage installed plasmoids using console? |
| 21:54.54 | arkascha | thiago_home: ok, I'll read into pulseaudio, thanks for the hint ! |
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| 21:55.13 | einar77 | ghabit: for user-installed one yes, using the "plasmapkg" command |
| 21:55.23 | ghabit | Thank you! |
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| 22:03.05 | zc00gii | when I use blue marble I get an error saying I don't support open gl shaders |
| 22:03.12 | zc00gii | how can I change that |
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| 22:03.20 | thiago_home | get a better video card |
| 22:03.22 | zc00gii | funkyou: I got kdemod-unstable working |
| 22:03.26 | sandsmark | zc00gii: get proper drivers or graphics card |
| 22:03.26 | thiago_home | or better drivers for good cards |
| 22:03.32 | zc00gii | thiago_home: no money |
| 22:03.43 | sandsmark | then you're SOL |
| 22:03.49 | zc00gii | do I need the proprietary drivers? |
| 22:03.56 | zc00gii | rather then the open source? |
| 22:04.00 | zc00gii | (ATI drivers) |
| 22:04.01 | sandsmark | idunno |
| 22:04.11 | sandsmark | you need drivers who support open gl shaders |
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| 22:08.25 | zc00gii | switching to the catalyst drivers |
| 22:08.46 | zc00gii | once I compile it |
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| 22:10.09 | zc00gii | not compile |
| 22:10.13 | zc00gii | but install |
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| 22:12.18 | crouch88 | hey guys what irc software would you recommend for windows? mirc? or is there anything better? |
| 22:12.33 | zc00gii | this is KDE |
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| 22:12.46 | zc00gii | not windows |
| 22:13.08 | crouch88 | i'm sorry a site pointed to this room as being software troubleshooting channel |
| 22:13.24 | zc00gii | KDE software trouble shooting |
| 22:13.28 | pinotree | yeah, for KDE, not for Windows troubleshooting |
| 22:13.42 | crouch88 | ok sorry |
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| 22:17.10 | zc00gii | catalyst-util installed =D |
| 22:17.19 | zc00gii | now for the catalyst package |
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| 22:20.10 | Ronis_BR | hi all |
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| 22:20.32 | Ronis_BR | is there a way for dolphin open the protocol obex or anything that make possible to access bluetooth devices? |
| 22:20.49 | sandsmark | install kdebluetooth? |
| 22:20.59 | Ronis_BR | sandsmark: it is for kde3 |
| 22:21.09 | Ronis_BR | and kdebluetooth4 doesn't work well |
| 22:22.55 | Ronis_BR | nobody? |
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| 22:25.20 | Ronis_BR | yes |
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| 22:25.23 | Ronis_BR | i think I have to install kde3 |
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| 22:28.54 | infinull | there's no kio_slave for obex yet... kdebluetooth supports sending and receiving but not obex browse |
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| 22:30.39 | Ronis_BR | infinull: hum |
| 22:30.49 | Ronis_BR | infinull: so I can't do nothing :) |
| 22:31.33 | infinull | I got kdebluetooth4 working under kubuntu & archlinux; but yeah you can send/receive but not browse (also got a mouse to work) |
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| 22:35.20 | Ronis_BR | infinull: i couldn't send with kdebluetooth4 |
| 22:36.25 | infinull | Ronis_BR: ?, I just right-clicked the bluetooth icon and hit send file... it was flakey, but if the gods were favoring me I get get ringtones off my comp and onto my cell |
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| 22:37.02 | coz_ | right now the desktop looks like this http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/132551/desktop.png |
| 22:37.12 | coz_ | you can see the upper most icon is under the panel |
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| 22:38.32 | Ronis_BR | infinull: I get some error and the transfer holds |
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| 22:39.58 | marco | Is there a php programmer here? |
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| 22:41.00 | coz_ | marcan, you might want to try #linux channel if no one here answers no guarantee they will answer on #linux eigher but you may have more of a broad spectrum iw people there |
| 22:41.21 | coz_ | of not iw |
| 22:43.12 | infinull | I've been known to dabble in php |
| 22:44.15 | marco | i need a good editor for it |
| 22:44.18 | marco | i have kde 4.2 |
| 22:45.06 | xjjk | marco: AFAIK there isn't one in KDE 4.2... Quanta was good but isn't being ported |
| 22:45.47 | marco | :( |
| 22:45.52 | infinull | kate supports php syntax |
| 22:45.52 | marco | i try kate now.. |
| 22:46.06 | zc00gii | grr |
| 22:46.15 | xjjk | oh, you just want syntax highlighting? kate's grea |
| 22:46.17 | xjjk | great* |
| 22:46.24 | zc00gii | my failed attempt with the catalyst broke my compositing |
| 22:46.48 | infinull | he wants a "good php editor" (I'm a vimmer, so I wouldn't know a good editor if it hit me in the face) |
| 22:48.05 | infinull | Ronis_BR: bluetooth was working before, but I can't get it to work now; after I send it hit send (on the device select screen) nothing happens |
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| 22:51.43 | zc00gii | GRRR! |
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| 23:00.34 | LukasLT | Hi |
| 23:00.42 | LukasLT | How to remove activitie? |
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| 23:00.52 | cghislai | zoom out |
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| 23:03.45 | LukasLT | cghislai: and when what to do? :) |
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| 23:04.43 | cghislai | LukasLT: should be obvious. You sure you zoomed out using the little box in the upright corner? |
| 23:05.37 | LukasLT | yep, zoomed out, |
| 23:06.36 | LukasLT | all I get is Lock controls, Shoertcut settings, Add activitie, Zoom out (again?), configure plasma |
| 23:08.22 | LukasLT | and Add plasmoids Zoomin, Settings, Lock, Shortcuts Add activitie, zoomout |
| 23:12.26 | cghislai | LukasLT: there should be a red cross under your activities |
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| 23:13.32 | LukasLT | nope, no cross |
| 23:13.50 | LukasLT | could send you a screenshot :( |
| 23:14.15 | cghislai | there is more than 1? |
| 23:14.38 | LukasLT | more than one activitie? |
| 23:14.40 | cghislai | yes |
| 23:14.46 | LukasLT | by now 11 |
| 23:14.47 | LukasLT | :D |
| 23:14.50 | cghislai | waw |
| 23:15.34 | LukasLT | I have twin-view with 4 virtual desktops, so 8 makes sence |
| 23:15.37 | cghislai | well, you should be able to remove from there. Now im running beta2 so there might have been change |
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| 23:16.30 | LukasLT | is there a manual online for .kde4/share/config files? |
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| 23:24.13 | thiago_home | LukasLT: no |
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| 23:25.15 | LukasLT | might be do u know where activities settings are stored? |
| 23:25.16 | LukasLT | :) |
| 23:25.30 | LukasLT | I'll do this hard way |
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| 23:31.13 | JuJuBee | I just re-arranged my partitions and /home moved from /dev/sdb7 to /dev/sdb6 as a result. Thins seem ok except my panel customization are gone. |
| 23:32.13 | karthikp | JuJuBee: You could move your .kde4 directory over from your old home to the now one and all the kde apps will have their old settings back. :) |
| 23:32.38 | karthikp | s/now/new |
| 23:32.59 | JuJuBee | My /home is still being referenced correctly. |
| 23:33.46 | JuJuBee | after reboot, I have no /dev/sdb7 anymore |
| 23:34.03 | karthikp | Oh. weird, then. As I understood it, all configs are stored in ~/.kde4/share/config or apps/ |
| 23:34.25 | karthikp | Oh, does that mean that the old .kde4 directory is no more? |
| 23:34.32 | JuJuBee | That's what I thought also. I wonder if something was referencing by /dev/sdb7 or something... |
| 23:35.20 | karthikp | I don't think I understand. Your old home was on sdb7. |
| 23:35.21 | cghislai | JuJuBee: grep -R "/dev/sb7" /home/$YOURUSERNAME/.kde4 shoud tell you |
| 23:35.33 | LukasLT | by moving, do you mean cut-paste way |
| 23:35.35 | cghislai | but that wouldsurprise me |
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| 23:36.28 | karthikp | Your new home is sdb6. Just copy-paste .kde4 from the old location to the new one. |
| 23:36.52 | JuJuBee | You are not getting what I am saying. |
| 23:37.02 | JuJuBee | I have no sdb7. It changed to sdb6 |
| 23:37.13 | JuJuBee | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.24 | JuJuBee | just on different /dev |
| 23:37.44 | LukasLT | but did you done this in by some move avtion or 'repointed' to a new address? |
| 23:37.47 | JuJuBee | Oh, I don't have .kde4, only .kde |
| 23:37.53 | JuJuBee | Using kubuntu jaunty |
| 23:38.37 | JuJuBee | LukasLT: I rearranged my partitions using gparted. I deleted on shrunk one and expanded another. |
| 23:38.49 | JuJuBee | as a result, the labels changed |
| 23:39.11 | LukasLT | kde auto creates .kde4 if it is deleted, and if files was unaccessabel for some short time, kde could just simplly overwritten old data |
| 23:39.59 | karthikp | Are your other settings preserved and only the panel settings lost? |
| 23:40.07 | drvoodoo | he is on jaunty, he doesn't have a .kde4 only a .kde |
| 23:41.00 | karthikp | Right. I wanted to see if only some settings were lost. That might indicate that it's not a complete loss of all settings. |
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| 23:42.36 | JuJuBee | My K-menu favories are the same still |
| 23:43.29 | drvoodoo | ok, that's good. |
| 23:43.51 | drvoodoo | did you change the device while running KDE? |
| 23:44.52 | drvoodoo | are plasmoids gone, or only the panel? |
| 23:46.00 | drvoodoo | hmm, but you had /home unmounted while moving the partitions... |
| 23:46.16 | JuJuBee | correct unmounted |
| 23:46.25 | drvoodoo | so an open file while moving should not be the problem |
| 23:47.07 | JuJuBee | My plasmoids seem in tact... |
| 23:47.43 | JuJuBee | Also another question. My desktop is using glassified theme and so is my laptop. On my laptop, the panel background is not transparent for some reason as is on my desktop. |
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| 23:48.22 | JuJuBee | Just updated the theme on laptop to make sure using same one |
| 23:48.30 | drvoodoo | did you install any updates regarding kde? |
| 23:48.38 | JuJuBee | on laptop? |
| 23:49.01 | drvoodoo | on the machine, where your panle settings are gone |
| 23:49.12 | JuJuBee | Just did sudo apt-get update and upgrade this morning |
| 23:49.33 | JuJuBee | that has never caused this to happen before... |
| 23:49.33 | drvoodoo | after that, everything was fine? |
| 23:49.40 | JuJuBee | seems so |
| 23:49.43 | drvoodoo | ok |
| 23:50.34 | drvoodoo | regarding your second question. the panel is transparent when the desktop effects are enabled |
| 23:50.57 | JuJuBee | Oh, ok |
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| 23:52.25 | JuJuBee | That's weird, they were enabled. Switched off and back on anb voila` transparent... |
| 23:53.11 | JuJuBee | But back to first problem... what else can I check? |
| 23:53.43 | drvoodoo | ok, kde is intelligent and if your laptop is under heavy load, it should disable the effects for now |
| 23:54.18 | drvoodoo | in the system-settings module, there are enabled though |
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| 23:55.20 | drvoodoo | if that's happen you can enable the effects by a keyboard shortcut |
| 23:55.41 | drvoodoo | alt + shift + F12 |
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