| 00:00.16 | kdepepo | pattern, which colors? |
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| 00:01.39 | diddly | hi all, dolphin seems to be caching my samba authentications, can i turn that off or clear the cache? if so where? |
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| 00:03.02 | pano | Rasi: omg, I have the same problem with the chars...^^ |
| 00:03.13 | pano | svn also "complains" about it |
| 00:05.22 | pattern | kdepepo: i don't know what they're called or where they're located... but these colors are used for part of opera (the menus and address bar) and also for pretty much all of amarok |
| 00:05.39 | pattern | i remember setting them using kcontrol years ago |
| 00:06.11 | pattern | but now even the old versions of kcontrol don't work for me... and systemsettings just doesn't have any kind of control over those colors, from what i can tell |
| 00:06.38 | kdepepo | pattern, systemsettings changes KDE 4 color, not KDE 3 or Opera colors. |
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| 00:08.38 | Rasi | pani: :) |
| 00:09.02 | pano | Rasi: Im pano ;-D haha^^ |
| 00:09.22 | Rasi | tab error |
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| 00:10.56 | pattern | kdepepo: what can i use to change kde3 colors? (apart from kcontrol) |
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| 00:11.19 | kdepepo | pattern, a text editor :) you can manually edit the config files |
| 00:11.32 | pattern | where are they located? |
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| 00:12.53 | kdepepo | .kde/share/config/kdeglobals section [General] |
| 00:14.33 | pattern | aha |
| 00:14.40 | pattern | thanks, kdepepo |
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| 00:20.20 | PovAddict | http://www.kde.org/jobs/open.php is this maintained? :/ |
| 00:20.33 | PovAddict | there's only two tasks, from 2004 |
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| 00:23.10 | cjae | anyone know how I can make dolphin look like this http://www.kde-look.org/content/search.php?xsortmode=new&search=1&type=0&name=dolphin&user=&text=&sort=0&scorefilter=0&license=99&page=1 either of the top two, I am using kde 4.2 which I love btw if anyone here contributed :-) |
| 00:24.19 | Rasi | cjae: the 1st is not possible |
| 00:24.23 | Rasi | the 2nd is easy |
| 00:24.31 | Rasi | disable all panels and get a dark color scheme |
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| 00:25.31 | cjae | I am not sure I am following you, actually all I want to do is get rid of the ugly grey |
| 00:25.39 | cjae | in dolphin |
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| 00:26.43 | Rasi | get a color scheme |
| 00:26.51 | Rasi | systemsettings -> appearance -> color scheme |
| 00:26.56 | Rasi | systemsettings -> appearance -> colors |
| 00:27.29 | Rasi | dolphin follows your global color settings |
| 00:28.05 | Rasi | click the get new schemes buttons |
| 00:28.58 | Rasi | btw.. i like my grey desktop: http://carnager.dyndns.org/grey.png :) |
| 00:29.04 | pano | Rasi: did you find any solution for the locale problem? It sucks not being able to enter german umlauts, when yo actually need them^^ |
| 00:29.24 | cjae | wow cool thank you very much |
| 00:29.32 | Rasi | pano only an ugly workaround |
| 00:29.35 | cjae | oh I cant see what I type |
| 00:30.13 | pano | Rasi: a workaround is good enough for me (at least until tomorrow, where I'll find a real solution) |
| 00:30.36 | cjae | can somene type |
| 00:30.39 | Rasi | LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 LANG=en_US.utf8 LANGUAGE=en_US.utf8 urxvt |
| 00:30.46 | Rasi | might work with konsole too |
| 00:31.57 | pano | k, thanks and bye^^ |
| 00:32.05 | pano | gotta go sleep now |
| 00:32.12 | pano | good night everyone |
| 00:32.28 | Rasi | n8 |
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| 00:32.42 | Rasi | gosh that show windows on hovering entry in taskbar is so annoying |
| 00:32.49 | Rasi | i hope they dont make it default in 4.3 |
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| 00:36.10 | cjae | can someone say my name |
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| 00:36.47 | cjae | trying different fonts |
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| 00:40.52 | cjae | ok well thanks anyway and appreciate the help Rasi :-) |
| 00:40.52 | Rasi | cjae: |
| 00:41.03 | cjae | wow pink not cool |
| 00:41.06 | cjae | thanks |
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| 00:42.00 | cjae | wow I like kde even more now |
| 00:43.00 | Rasi | well |
| 00:43.03 | Rasi | off for now |
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| 01:44.16 | caotic | is there anyway to fetch an attachement form a particular email in kmail from the fileysystem |
| 01:45.07 | caotic | err: filesystem |
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| 02:18.19 | Tekno_Cowboy | Hello. I would like to know if there is any way to tell yaquake which screen to be on in a dual display environment. Can anyone here help me or direct me to where I might find the answer? |
| 02:18.43 | caotic | Tekno_Cowboy: left click |
| 02:20.46 | caotic | Tekno_Cowboy: actually i am wrong, but click in the arrow pointin down at the border, there should be a screen menu, asuming that your Ddisplay is correctly configured & you have the same or > version that I do |
| 02:21.30 | Tekno_Cowboy | caotic: Oddly enough, that was exactly what I needed to "hear". The answer popped into my head almost instantly. |
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| 02:22.36 | caotic | Tekno_Cowboy: so no "thank you" awarded ... |
| 02:22.39 | Tekno_Cowboy | It's now working on the correct screen. Thanks a bunch :D |
| 02:22.56 | Tekno_Cowboy | Sorry I'm a slow typer... |
| 02:23.15 | caotic | Tekno_Cowboy: I am just messing with you :P |
| 02:23.18 | caotic | gtg |
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| 02:23.32 | Tekno_Cowboy | :) |
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| 03:23.40 | aspect | I plugged in to an external monitor this morning and now the pane in the panel that normally displays knetworkmanager, skim, etc icons has disappeared. restarted to no avail .. any clues? |
| 03:25.40 | aspect | I'm not even sure what that area is called |
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| 03:39.54 | zaapiel-mobile | hai guyz |
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| 03:40.38 | zaapiel-mobile | im curious as to if their is anything like DreamScene on Vista similiar or planned for kde4 |
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| 03:52.09 | cygwinports | 1) what is the official word on Qt4.5 with KDE4.2.2, and 2) if I ship Qt4.5, is the kde phonon-4.3.0 still required or can qt-phonon be used? |
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| 03:59.13 | murrant | cygwinports: In my distro (Gentoo) the kde packages rely on phonon-kde, but I think it would work with qt-phonon-4.5 (sorry I don't know for sure) |
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| 04:02.19 | cygwinports | murrant: qt4.4 shipped with phonon-4.2, while kde4.2 deps phonon-4.3, hence the need for the kde-phonon. but qt4.5.1 phonon shows a version of 4.3.1 |
| 04:03.29 | cygwinports | I suppose that leads to 3) will kde4.3 require a newer version of phonon then that shipping with qt4.5? it really doesn't work to ship two minor versions of the same library simultaneously |
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| 04:26.06 | jtorres | hi |
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| 04:47.23 | Sargun | How do I disable the login chime? |
| 04:53.13 | drantin | Sargun: in systemsettings -> Notifications, change event source to KDE System Notifications |
| 04:53.30 | Sargun | drantin, thanks |
| 04:58.05 | comawhite | anyone know where each application's cache is? |
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| 05:12.19 | murrant | cygwinports: yes, kde 4.2 phonon and qt 4.5 phonon both = phonon version 4.3, on my svn kde install phonon so name is 4.4.0 |
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| 05:18.26 | shepherd | Is it possible to edit the menu that appears when I right click my desktop ( the one that says Konsole, run command.. etc ) |
| 05:20.42 | Dhraakellian | I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm not right off seeing it in kcontrol |
| 05:23.53 | Sargun | I'm hitting a really weird bug. After logging out,and then back in. My media keys stop working. They're assigned in global shortcuts. If I go global shortcuts, and reassign the keys, they start working. Any ideas? |
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| 05:48.03 | Sargun | How do I set a hotkey to lock the screen? |
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| 06:07.45 | messerting | Sargun: dunno, but for me ctrl-alt-L works. I couldn't find any settings for it though... |
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| 06:24.27 | cygwinports | so to whom do I need to explain that having two different versions of phonon just doesn't work for packagers?? |
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| 07:47.36 | xiven | Hey everyone |
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| 07:48.52 | xiven | I need some help..I just installed Kubuntu Jaunty, with KDE 4....at console my keyboard works..but when I boot into KDE, neither keyboard nor mouse will do anything... |
| 07:49.02 | xiven | Any idea what could be the cause? |
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| 07:56.54 | Kollapse | Hi, where does kde4 store it's wallpapers ? |
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| 07:59.30 | xdan779 | Kollapse: globally $KDEDIRS/share/wallpapers |
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| 08:00.59 | Kollapse | xdan779, understood, thanks |
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| 08:54.51 | bercik | Hi! |
| 08:55.09 | bercik | What package offers additional widgets to add please? |
| 08:55.49 | boom1992 | distro channel... in general kdeplasma-addons |
| 08:56.30 | bercik | i already asked there.. |
| 08:56.35 | bercik | thanks |
| 08:56.40 | dereine | could someone point me to docu how to write krunner plugins in python/js |
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| 09:11.00 | Sargun | My media keys break across restarts of KDE, any idea? |
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| 10:22.04 | Rioting_Pacifist | I have a very long line of text and i can't figure out how to tell kate to insert linebreaks at every <div :S |
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| 10:44.51 | tuxick | "failed to activate desktop effects using the given configurations", is there any place where i could find more info? |
| 10:45.13 | tuxick | it's "a bit" vague |
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| 10:46.38 | tuxick | (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled |
| 10:48.54 | kdepepo | tuxick, you could retry KDE 4.2.3 (out in about a week), there has been a bug fixed. |
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| 10:56.51 | tuxick | kdepepo: so it'll produce a more useful message? |
| 10:57.07 | kdepepo | tuxick, or work as expected... |
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| 10:58.39 | tuxick | even better |
| 10:58.51 | tuxick | but i have 4.2.2 working ok on nvidia |
| 10:58.55 | tuxick | after months of pain |
| 10:59.15 | tuxick | now i'm facing ati X1300 |
| 10:59.34 | tuxick | i'll wait and see |
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| 11:02.29 | jasper_ | Ive got a problem with using 2 monitors, i want to be able to click firefox in screen 1 and then let it open in screen 1, and if i click firefox on screen 2 i want to get it to open in screen 2. (not just firefox but all applications should act like this) Is this possible? Using nvidia 180 driver with 9600gt nivdia card. (kde4) ubuntu 9.04 |
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| 11:37.27 | tosmo | hi. everytime i start kmail i get asked whether i want to migrate passwords to kwallet. everytime i click "migrate", enter my kwallet password an nothing happens. next time startig kmail i'm asked again |
| 11:38.30 | tosmo | any suggestion whats wrong` |
| 11:38.31 | tosmo | ? |
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| 11:47.49 | nascentmind | hi. how can i find out the version od kde i am running? |
| 11:48.53 | biophysics | Goto Help-> About KDE |
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| 11:49.20 | biophysics | do this in dolphin or konsole or konqueror |
| 11:49.38 | nascentmind | got it. |
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| 11:52.24 | freeedrich| | kde4-config --version |
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| 11:58.37 | nmuntz | hello, quick question: are there any plans on bringing back the old good printer configuration to system settings? system-config-printer is not nearly as good as it used to be and i couldn't find it anywhere for kde 4.3 plans |
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| 12:01.33 | thiago_home | if someone does it, it'll be back |
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| 12:02.09 | thiago_home | don't ask for when something will happen |
| 12:02.11 | thiago_home | offer to do it |
| 12:02.50 | nmuntz | thiago_home: is that something ongoing already? i dont want to duplicate work |
| 12:03.03 | thiago_home | no |
| 12:03.54 | nmuntz | it might be a very good project to get me back into kde development actually :) |
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| 12:42.39 | Knightingale | q: is there a kde tool to change the screen resolution? |
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| 12:52.30 | Rasi | Knightingale: its in systemsettings |
| 12:52.39 | Rasi | Display |
| 12:52.48 | Rasi | keep in mind that it wont work with nvidia driver |
| 12:52.57 | Rasi | because they dont support the randr standard |
| 12:53.16 | Rasi | which means use nvidia-settings for that |
| 12:53.25 | Jucato | worked on my desktop last I tried... old nvidia driver though... |
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| 12:58.58 | admin__ | hi |
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| 13:06.03 | cccharles | I'm having trouble setting the window size for Konsole (4.2.2). It does remember how it was last set, but I cannot force it to a particular size. Even the --geometry argument listed in --help-kde doesn't seem to work. |
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| 13:18.18 | somekool | little bug since I updated to kubuntu 9.04. only KDE3 and GTK systray icons are displayed. KDE4 systray icons are all black ??? |
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| 13:21.19 | Half-Left | somekool: That should all be gone now |
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| 13:25.13 | somekool | Half-Left: ??? |
| 13:26.09 | kdepepo | cccharles, regression is already reported. |
| 13:26.58 | Half-Left | somekool: Icons not showing in your tray |
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| 13:28.19 | cccharles | kdepepo: ah, must have missed that. thanks. |
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| 13:29.23 | somekool | Half-Left: are you trying to be helpful or being funny ? |
| 13:29.52 | Jucato | somekool: have you tried asking other people in #kubuntu ? |
| 13:30.18 | somekool | yes, so far no answer |
| 13:30.34 | somekool | nothing came up on google yet |
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| 13:30.51 | kdepepo | cccharles, what you could try is using KWin rules to force a size |
| 13:30.59 | somekool | running kde 4.2.2 |
| 13:31.31 | Half-Left | somekool: Why would I be funny, it's a simple answer |
| 13:33.07 | Half-Left | somekool: Is composting on? |
| 13:33.43 | Half-Left | compositing* |
| 13:34.16 | somekool | desktop effects are on, yes |
| 13:34.53 | Half-Left | Do the icons show ok with it off? |
| 13:35.19 | karthik_ | <somekool>: I had same problems. Just remove the systray itself. logout (do not kill X) and then check in console there are NO kdeprocesses. relogin. add systemstray - everythinhg OK |
| 13:35.21 | somekool | i shall try. but I will need to restart X |
| 13:35.45 | Half-Left | You shouldn't need to |
| 13:36.04 | somekool | ok, I will try this first. disabling desktop effects. see if all icons are showing |
| 13:38.11 | Half-Left | Mandriva 2009 switched to KDE4.2.2 as default, nice! |
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| 13:40.40 | somekool | karthik_: i will try that later. thanks |
| 13:40.53 | gundam_rx78nt1 | good morning/afternoon/evening |
| 13:41.01 | cccharles | kdepepo: thanks for the suggestion, but I actually need a few different sizes. Ideally I'd like to see this on a per-profile basis... I can fake it via launchers, but I don't think that I can set up multiple sizes via kwin. |
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| 13:41.39 | g3d | does anyone know if there is a way to change window layout in KNode? i.e. to have a different arrangement of groups, threads and message windows? |
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| 13:43.01 | kdepepo | cccharles, you can add your vote to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181129 |
| 13:43.46 | somekool | its funny. disabling desktop effects makes my panel bar blue. reenabling it gets it black. systray icons for kde4 appilcation are all black when desktop effects enabled and are a white square with desktop effects disabled. kde3 application (konversation) and gtk app (pidgin) are fine |
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| 13:44.54 | Half-Left | somekool: Sounds like a driver issue or bug, latest Qt4 solved issues like that |
| 13:48.04 | cccharles | kdepepo: great idea. thanks, I'll do that :-). |
| 13:48.15 | Alethes | is konversation going to be done for kde4? |
| 13:48.35 | Alethes | quassel is the pits |
| 13:48.41 | Sho_ | Alethes: Sure. Port is in /branches/work/konvi-kde4 and generally works fine; beta is forthcoming |
| 13:48.48 | kdepepo | Alethes, depending on your distribution, you can already test alpha versions of Konversation for KDE4 ... |
| 13:48.54 | Alethes | Sho_: glad to hear it |
| 13:49.04 | Alethes | eh, it's ok |
| 13:49.09 | Alethes | I'll just use the kde3 version for now |
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| 13:49.28 | Half-Left | You're to scare? :p |
| 13:49.44 | Alethes | heh, just don't have time to deal with stuff that doesn't work |
| 13:49.48 | Alethes | I need to get stuff done :) |
| 13:49.52 | somekool | wants kubuntu packages ;) |
| 13:49.59 | Half-Left | It works VERY well |
| 13:51.08 | Sho_ | Well to be fair it is pre-alpha and there is still a good chance of us adding stuff that breaks it again temporarily. But yes, it's been rather stable for the last few weeks. |
| 13:51.17 | somekool | Half-Left: Qt: 4.5.0 |
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| 13:52.01 | Alethes | I've got mandriva 2009.1 going at work so I'm finally using KDE4 and it rocks my socks |
| 13:52.06 | Alethes | I just love it |
| 13:52.19 | Alethes | I haven't upgraded kubuntu at home yet |
| 13:52.28 | Half-Left | somekool: Like I said, it sounds more like a graphics driver issue, What card do you have and are you using a proprietary driver? |
| 13:52.55 | ajavid | how do I restart my panels without restarting kde |
| 13:52.55 | somekool | nvidia, yes, and it was working fine in 8.10 |
| 13:53.06 | ajavid | all of a sudden all my things are weird looking |
| 13:53.13 | ajavid | plasma, how do I restart it |
| 13:53.22 | Half-Left | somekool: Well switch to the nv oxrg driver and see it the issue persists |
| 13:53.30 | Half-Left | Xorg* |
| 13:53.46 | somekool | thansks for the suggestion |
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| 13:55.28 | Sho_ | Cool: http://www.dennogumi.org/2009/05/new-refactored-system-settings - I always kind of preferred the treeview approach |
| 13:56.28 | Half-Left | Sho_: Oh no, KDE3 is coming back :p |
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| 13:56.42 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Well the icon view is still the default :) |
| 13:56.55 | Half-Left | good :) |
| 13:57.00 | Sho_ | (which is fine for me, really - just like to have the option to use the tree) |
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| 13:57.40 | Half-Left | To much duplication I think |
| 13:58.24 | Sho_ | Just faster to navigate, IMO |
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| 13:58.49 | Freddy2 | hi |
| 13:59.08 | Sho_ | Half-Left: There's no real duplication - it's one app, and the only burden placed on it over the KDE 4.2 version in terms of the default UI is an extra "Configure" button |
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| 13:59.58 | Half-Left | Sho_: Click on thr tree view shows whats already there on the right hand side |
| 14:00.28 | Freddy2 | according to kde's website hard feature freeze is next week, while final release is set at july.. is this information updated? |
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| 14:00.43 | Earthnail | hey there, just curious |
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| 14:01.09 | Earthnail | in 4.3, will there be a new default theme for home-html sites? (Like the konqueror start page or the loading page in kmail) |
| 14:01.30 | kdepepo | Earthnail, did you design a new? |
| 14:02.18 | Sho_ | Earthnail: I did see something new somewhere, iirc ... but ask in #oxygen |
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| 14:02.27 | Earthnail | kdepepo: ^^ |
| 14:02.32 | Earthnail | Sho_: alright, thanks |
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| 14:02.47 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Hm not sure I get what you mean |
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| 14:04.22 | Half-Left | Sho_: I see now, the right click won't show the model on thr right hand side, just the menu |
| 14:04.30 | Half-Left | module* |
| 14:05.03 | Half-Left | Oh hover :p |
| 14:06.33 | Sho_ | Half-Left: It's a hover tooltip ... the right-hand side shows one of those HTML overview thingies when you click a top-level category, otherwise if you click a sub-item it just shows that KCM. Basically like KControl. |
| 14:07.02 | Sho_ | Half-Left: I agree the hover tooltip is of dubious usefulness in tree mode, though. For icon view it's nice though. |
| 14:07.40 | Half-Left | Sho_: Yer, hover it better, it's ok for KDE enthusiasts |
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| 14:08.13 | jensp | hey there, I'm using kde 4.2.2, how can I stop my panel from being transparent? |
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| 14:09.29 | jensp | and why does changing desktop effects reset my panels height? |
| 14:10.14 | Half-Left | Sho_: Problem I see is that when will it stop> The current systemsettings has nice usability,I think it's more a answer for the KDE legacy users |
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| 14:11.59 | Half-Left | jensp: With desktop effects on no, though the theme is a svg file which you can change |
| 14:12.08 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Like I said, the only burden to the default interface vs. 4.2 is an extra "Configure" button ... and I don't think that "legacy" is appropriate here, because it implies "out-dated", but personally I find a tree nicer to navigage for the control center *today*, not just *yesterday* |
| 14:12.26 | jensp | Half-Left: ok thanks, I'll have a look at that |
| 14:13.26 | zhick | would a bug-report because of kwin not working nicely with the latest dri2/kms/ttm bits of mesa/radeon/kernel be accepted? I'm pretty sure it's a kwin bug (something to do with xdamage), since compiz is working fine. |
| 14:14.08 | Sho_ | zhick: why wouldn't it be accepted? |
| 14:14.53 | zhick | Sho_: because the mesa/radeon/kernel bits are straight from git branches, and still very experimental :> |
| 14:15.01 | jensp | Half-Left: where do I find themes I installed myself? ~/.kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme/$themename only contains a empty wallpaper directory |
| 14:15.03 | Half-Left | Sho_: I'd like to see what non KDE users thing about it really, I don't see a need for the tree view except for as I've stated, your maybe used to Kcontrol |
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| 14:15.23 | Half-Left | jensp: Default directory |
| 14:15.44 | Half-Left | jensp: not.kde, it's root |
| 14:16.09 | Sho_ | zhick: well, it may be easier to just hop to #kwin and talk to the devs. if they ask you to file it, you will :) |
| 14:16.19 | Half-Left | i.e usr/share/apps/desktoptheme/default |
| 14:16.22 | jensp | Half-Left: ahh ok, thanks :) |
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| 14:16.44 | zhick | Sho_: thanks, didnt know kwin had an own channel :) |
| 14:17.39 | Half-Left | jensp: widgets/panel-background.svgz, the opaque directory is the one with no desktop effects appied |
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| 14:19.14 | jensp | Half-Left: got it working, thank you :) |
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| 14:20.10 | Frenchy | hello every one :) |
| 14:20.21 | Frenchy | is there a way to go around Bug 174326: kcmshell4 kdm error |
| 14:20.39 | Half-Left | :) |
| 14:21.37 | Frenchy | i can't really change kdm themes because of that bug |
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| 14:24.14 | Frenchy | lol, Half-Left why did u smiled ??? is it on my question ? |
| 14:24.36 | Sho_ | Frenchy: no in reference to someone thanking him for something else |
| 14:25.05 | kdepepo | Half-Left, never smile again!!! |
| 14:25.13 | Half-Left | Sho_: I don't see much point in the search as well, usually you have a search if you have loads of modules |
| 14:25.39 | Half-Left | Yes, I like to smile randomly :p |
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| 14:26.10 | Sho_ | Half-Left: (a) The search is already in there since KDE 4.2, of course, (b) it is actually useful because you can make it react to non-KDE terminology and thus make it easier to find things for OS X and Windows switchers |
| 14:26.42 | Sho_ | Half-Left: err, already in there since KDE 4.0 I meant |
| 14:27.04 | Half-Left | Sho_: take Windows 7, damn that needs a search, but system settings just doesn't |
| 14:28.02 | hartung-rey | where can i start strigi-indexing? |
| 14:28.55 | Half-Left | To me, search implies you've lost something, Why do you need to search if it's looking right in-front of you? :p |
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| 14:30.53 | Half-Left | hartung-rey: systemsettings>Advanced>Desktop Search |
| 14:31.11 | Sho_ | Half-Left: I just gave you a reason .. |
| 14:31.42 | hartung-rey | Half-Left: there is nepomuk and strigi enabled, but "strigi is nor running" |
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| 14:33.50 | Half-Left | Sho_: I don't think thats a solid enough reason, systemsettings is not deep enough to warant one in my view |
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| 14:34.16 | Half-Left | hartung-rey: 4.1? |
| 14:34.27 | hartung-rey | Half-Left: 4.2.2 |
| 14:34.57 | Sho_ | Half-Left: That's fine - but the developers of System Settings and OS X obviously disagree :) |
| 14:35.01 | Half-Left | Try to re-enable it |
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| 14:36.13 | Half-Left | Sho_: Well, copying the search from Apple makes it assume they are right |
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| 14:37.14 | Half-Left | To me it's useless searching for something thats right in-front of you, it doesn't use 'search' properly |
| 14:37.50 | Sho_ | Half-Left: As someone who has used the search in the OS X control center I think they *are* right. If I were to switch the other way around, I'd probably use it in System Settings, too. It's just easier to type "wallpaper" if you know you want that than stop and ponder what to click on |
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| 14:39.06 | Half-Left | Sho_: If thats the case then systemsettings icons and text have not done their job right |
| 14:39.16 | Sho_ | Half-Left: See it less like a search and more like a "tell it what you want to change", maybe |
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| 14:39.43 | Half-Left | The search doesnt search deeper |
| 14:39.57 | Half-Left | If it did then ok fair enough |
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| 14:40.56 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Should we also remove the search from Kickoff? The menu is a two-level hierarchy by default, too |
| 14:41.14 | Half-Left | Sho_: If I type 'backend' it should show the Phonon backend module |
| 14:41.32 | Sho_ | Half-Left: The search doesn't operate over enough keywords yet, yeah |
| 14:42.11 | Half-Left | Sho_: No because thats searching for stuff thats out of sight, i.e what search essentially means |
| 14:42.17 | Sho_ | but rather than remove the search, the correct fix is to add more keywords |
| 14:43.15 | Sho_ | Half-Left: If your definition of "out of sight" is "not everything is seen at once", may I remind you that System Settings has two tabs which are not shown concurrently? |
| 14:43.37 | Half-Left | Sho_: All I'm saying is that if you're going to add a search, make it search for things are 'are' out of sight |
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| 14:44.16 | Half-Left | Sho_: But the search assuming I can search for anyway in there |
| 14:44.34 | Sho_ | I'm unable to parse "But the search assuming I can search for anyway in there", sorry |
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| 14:45.09 | Half-Left | The search should search anywhere in the systemsettings |
| 14:45.12 | somekool | removing the systray, restarting my kde session and reenabling the systray did not change a thing ;( |
| 14:45.28 | somekool | I guess I will need to wait for a kubuntu/kde fix. |
| 14:45.51 | Half-Left | somekool: Did you try using the nv Xorg driver? |
| 14:46.32 | somekool | I`m on a twinhead setup. when using 8.04 I first try using xorg driver but could not get the twinhead to work |
| 14:46.43 | somekool | proprietary is recommended for my hardware |
| 14:47.58 | Half-Left | somekool: Only nvidia are responsible for that, if you get bugs then it's our KDE or kubuntu's fault |
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| 14:48.30 | Half-Left | Sho_: Sorry for the bad grammar there :p |
| 14:48.41 | Jucato | Half-Left, not all nvidia drivers. the legacy legacy one is working fine for me. but I'm not on Kubuntu |
| 14:49.03 | Half-Left | not* |
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| 14:49.36 | Jucato | yes, a missing word can change an entire statement's meaning :) |
| 14:49.45 | Half-Left | indeed :p |
| 14:50.20 | Half-Left | Typing to fast again :p |
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| 14:51.17 | Rasi | somekool: kdesu nvidia-settings |
| 14:51.26 | Rasi | change what you need for twinview and hit "save" |
| 14:51.38 | Rasi | from then on you can en/disable your 2nd monitor with the user |
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| 14:52.20 | somekool | Rasi: thats but it is not my trouble ;) |
| 14:52.32 | somekool | thanks but it is not my trouble ;) |
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| 14:52.44 | Half-Left | Sho_: I think a bug report for the search in system settings is called for actually :p |
| 14:53.15 | Sho_ | *shrugs* |
| 14:54.14 | somekool | wonder why there is no french word for [ shurgs, grin, sigh, ... ] |
| 14:54.22 | Half-Left | Well it must do because it doesn't search deeper, makes it rather useless |
| 14:54.51 | tuxick | the french don't even have a word for 'entrepeneur' |
| 14:54.56 | tuxick | as a famous prez once said |
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| 14:55.14 | Half-Left | somekool: Usually means 'I don't know' |
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| 14:55.56 | Sho_ | No, in this case it meant "If you're really so full of yourself as to file a 'meh I don't use it remove it' bug report, knock yourself out", but "*shrugs*" felt more diplomatic |
| 14:56.12 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 14:56.23 | Half-Left | awwww |
| 14:56.48 | Half-Left | I'm not so full of myself |
| 14:56.54 | tuxick | only half full! |
| 14:56.58 | tuxick | or half empty? |
| 14:57.43 | Half-Left | But so called usability experts are |
| 14:58.44 | Sho_ | I never called myself a usability expert. I call myself a user. I find the search useful. I've seen it be useful to other users as well. I think it's not as good as it could be, but that calls for further improvement, not removal, in my mind. |
| 14:59.00 | somekool | Half-Left: yes there is a nice picture on wikipedia ;) |
| 15:00.26 | Half-Left | Sho_: I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about general so called usability experts, the whole search issues I've just highlighted proves it |
| 15:01.08 | Sho_ | You've not highlighted a single search issue |
| 15:01.12 | Sho_ | You've said you don't find it useful |
| 15:01.18 | Sho_ | That is not highlighting of issues ;) |
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| 15:01.53 | Half-Left | Are you seriously telling me that the search in systemsettings is proper and truely usable? |
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| 15:02.27 | Half-Left | It doesn't search, it onyl picks out whats already there right in-front of you |
| 15:03.02 | Sho_ | No, as I said, it could be better - it needs to operate on more keywords to measure up to the one that austensibly inspired it (i.e. the one in the OS X control center) |
| 15:03.12 | Half-Left | It's like saying 'I'm going to search for my bed in my bedroom' |
| 15:03.35 | Jucato | Half-Left: actually it does. unless by "what's in front of you" means "the kcm's included by a particular icon"... which is not exactly in front of you |
| 15:04.11 | Sho_ | (ostensibly, rather ... ouch, my spelling) |
| 15:04.17 | Half-Left | Searching for the backend module(which is doesn't) is a prime example |
| 15:04.24 | Half-Left | it* |
| 15:05.02 | Sho_ | Jucato: I also reminded him there are two tabs that are not concurrently shown, but he ignored that as well |
| 15:05.46 | Sho_ | anyhow, I don't really think we're going to find any common ground here :) |
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| 15:05.53 | Sho_ | walks away |
| 15:05.53 | Half-Left | Sho_: You highlighted a flaw in the search, great |
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| 15:43.56 | wekt | and I am able to mount the NFS volume on the command line. |
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| 16:03.23 | tuxpenguin | hello |
| 16:03.38 | tuxpenguin | how can i configure kopete for irc |
| 16:03.39 | tuxpenguin | ? |
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| 16:04.29 | tuxpenguin | please i need it |
| 16:04.31 | Jucato | tuxpenguin: the IRC plugin for Kopete has not been ported to KDE 4 |
| 16:04.47 | Jucato | (in short, no IRC for KDE 4's Kopete) |
| 16:04.50 | tuxpenguin | oh |
| 16:05.34 | tuxpenguin | thanks |
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| 16:10.51 | oget | I'll try samba. But it's weird that such regressions keep happening in 2009. I should be able to transfer files with no hassle |
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| 16:22.51 | Half-Left | RWolf: systemsettings>Appearance>Fonts |
| 16:22.58 | Half-Left | (KDE4) |
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| 16:23.43 | Half-Left | rdieter: Would hell freeze over if you got KDE4 default in fedora? :p |
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| 16:24.36 | aLeite | Does anyone have an idea why when I use Kdm kde is not entirely translated into my language, while when I use gdm it is? |
| 16:24.43 | aLeite | I am using kde trunk |
| 16:24.53 | rdieter | Half-Left: probably something like that. I don't care about the default, but I personally would prefer to call a spade a spade. fedora desktop spin really is fedora gnome |
| 16:25.27 | gomoran | aLeite: You probably has selected your Language in gdm, this is not possible in kdm, so the locale get's not set. |
| 16:25.42 | aLeite | I selected my language on KDM too |
| 16:25.48 | Half-Left | rdieter: Mandriva default to KDE4 now, your goal on devement states really KDE4 should be default |
| 16:26.01 | aLeite | Some parts of kde are translated and others not |
| 16:26.33 | aLeite | KDM does not select languages yet? |
| 16:26.43 | rdieter | Half-Left: maybe I misinterpretted what you meant with the word "default". default kde environment? or default desktop? or other? |
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| 16:27.08 | Half-Left | rdieter: Default desktop environment |
| 16:27.30 | gomoran | aLeite: gdm has a menu where you can select the language, kdm (3) has not. |
| 16:28.00 | aLeite | gomoran: I am using KDE 4 trunk.. I compiled it myself on ubuntu |
| 16:28.19 | GiantTalkingCow | Yeah, that'll never happen. If Gnome 3, I just see Fedora using XFCE instead. |
| 16:28.21 | rdieter | Half-Left: ok, but I don't think we have that has a goal (yet). |
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| 16:28.51 | rdieter | Half-Left: we're half-way there producing our own kde spin, where kde is indeed used by default |
| 16:28.55 | GiantTalkingCow | If Gnome 3 turns out as bad as it looks, I meant to say |
| 16:29.42 | Half-Left | rdieter: Fedora like fast developed projects, it says in your goals on your page, KDE4 is very much like that. I'm astounded you default to gnome still |
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| 16:30.19 | rdieter | Half-Left: again, the default depends on which spin or media you download. |
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| 16:30.51 | Half-Left | rdieter: yer, you can download KDE version which is a link, the main version (like Ubuntu) is gnome |
| 16:31.18 | Jucato | Half-Left: probably something more appropriate for #fedora-kde |
| 16:31.30 | rdieter | uh huh. |
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| 16:31.38 | Half-Left | Yer |
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| 16:36.21 | gomoran | aLeite: you can try and log int to a failsafe session and start kde from the terminal: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 startkde (or so). |
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| 16:38.04 | aLeite | gomoran: Yep, I'll try |
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| 16:39.39 | ldp | Any fixes? |
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| 16:42.51 | Rasi | ldp: tried to import it inside of kgpg? |
| 16:43.10 | pinotree | ldp: how did you install kmail? |
| 16:43.24 | auxsvr | ldp: are you sure you have the right dependencies? |
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| 17:06.04 | ldp | auxsvr: I don't know the dependencies |
| 17:06.08 | ldp | I installed kdemod on arch |
| 17:06.19 | ldp | I made the key through kpgp |
| 17:06.34 | ldp | But it apparently doesn't work with kmail |
| 17:06.48 | auxsvr | ldp: there seems to be something wrong with the packages |
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| 17:07.39 | stefan | moinmoin |
| 17:08.22 | ldp | auxsvr: quite |
| 17:08.37 | ldp | auxsvr: Do you know of the offending package? I'll..install it :| |
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| 17:13.28 | auxsvr | ldp: maybe you should ask arch developers for more help |
| 17:13.53 | auxsvr | ldp: symbol gpgme_cancel_async doesn't exist here |
| 17:14.08 | auxsvr | ldp: in the corresponding libraries |
| 17:14.12 | ldp | Ah |
| 17:14.18 | ldp | I'll ask the kdemod devs |
| 17:16.18 | ajavid | I'm on remote laptop |
| 17:16.30 | ajavid | amarok 1 and/or 2 either that works, will be on desktop |
| 17:16.51 | ajavid | in kde3 I could do this |
| 17:17.01 | ajavid | dcop amarok player nowPlaying |
| 17:17.09 | ajavid | and get the currently playing track to use in my scripts or whatever |
| 17:17.22 | ajavid | with amarok2 and/or kde4, how do I do this ? |
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| 17:17.37 | ajavid | get the currently playing track? I see kde4 uses not the same dcop as kde3 |
| 17:17.52 | ajavid | its not really an amarok question, I just want to know how I can do this in kde |
| 17:18.03 | ajavid | I used to be able to ssh --dcop-session-user something |
| 17:18.42 | ajavid | like ssh user@desktop dcop --user user amarok... |
| 17:18.51 | ajavid | does anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 17:19.09 | ajavid | i'd like to know what the equivalen in kde4 is |
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| 17:20.47 | lilltiger | ajavid: use qdbus |
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| 17:21.56 | ajavid | ok |
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| 18:04.13 | asdfasdfasdfsadf | hello is there a way to add an internet radio stream to amarok? ive got an url or ar .pls but i cant find a way to add it within amarok2. |
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| 18:14.37 | ponto | asdfasdfasdfsadf: you can add a stream in the playlists tab. |
| 18:15.36 | asdfasdfasdfsadf | thanks!! |
| 18:15.39 | asdfasdfasdfsadf | it worked |
| 18:15.41 | asdfasdfasdfsadf | heh |
| 18:15.58 | gomoran | Which xml library is used by KDE4? |
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| 18:22.55 | sandbox | #qt |
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| 18:26.03 | sandbox | hi guys |
| 18:26.09 | sandbox | I am new to Qt |
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| 18:26.17 | sandbox | http://fpaste.org/paste/10732 |
| 18:26.37 | sandbox | I am getting a small compile time error in my simple program |
| 18:26.44 | sandbox | can some one help me solve this?? |
| 18:27.27 | sandbox | sorry wrong tab |
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| 18:33.44 | cumulus007 | How to remove a plasmoid from the desktop with the command line? |
| 18:34.34 | tuxick | every time i hear "plasmoid" i have to think of some SF movie |
| 18:34.36 | tuxick | Solaris! |
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| 18:39.22 | Half-Left | aseigo: Is the download of plasmoids properly permitted in 4.2.2? |
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| 18:40.47 | aseigo | Half-Left: define "properly" |
| 18:41.01 | Alethes | aseigo: hey stranger :) |
| 18:41.02 | aseigo | cumulus007: while plasma is running? |
| 18:41.04 | aseigo | Alethes: yo |
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| 18:41.12 | Half-Left | aseigo: As in through GNHS |
| 18:41.12 | cumulus007 | No, it's shut down |
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| 18:41.20 | aseigo | Half-Left: yes, that works. |
| 18:41.23 | cumulus007 | because it crashes immediately because of the Gris plasmoid |
| 18:41.31 | cumulus007 | *Grid plasmoid |
| 18:41.50 | aseigo | cumulus007: ok, open plasma-appletsrc (or plasma-desktop-appletsrc in kde 4.3 and beyond) and look for plugin=<name of plugin> and delete that configu group |
| 18:42.12 | Half-Left | aseigo: Didn't you say something about a security framework, that's ok now then I assume? |
| 18:42.31 | aseigo | Half-Left: no, we don't have full support for that yet. will be in 4.4 though as we have soc people working on it |
| 18:42.53 | cumulus007 | aseigo: thhose 2 commands aren't available on my system |
| 18:43.02 | aseigo | cumulus007: they aren't commands. they are files. |
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| 18:43.21 | cumulus007 | in ~/.kde? |
| 18:43.23 | aseigo | $EDITOR `kde4-config --localprefix`/share/config/plasma-appletsrc |
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| 18:43.38 | Half-Left | aseigo: As of now I get a error of installing the plasmoid, says failed but it does put that plasmoid in the list |
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| 18:44.47 | Half-Left | "installation of /tmp/kde-'me'/// failed!" |
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| 18:45.42 | linuxguy | hi guys |
| 18:45.48 | cumulus007 | thanks aseigo, I found the applet, deletd it, and Plasma starts up again :) |
| 18:45.54 | aseigo | :) |
| 18:45.56 | aseigo | linuxguy: yo |
| 18:46.05 | linuxguy | how can I change the icon for the start menu. |
| 18:46.13 | aseigo | Half-Left: ew. that doesn't look too healthy. |
| 18:46.16 | linuxguy | excuse me k menu |
| 18:46.22 | cumulus007 | linuxguy: It's possible in 4.3 |
| 18:46.23 | aseigo | linuxguy: in 4.3, right click, settings, change it |
| 18:46.32 | aseigo | linuxguy: in 4.2, you have to mess with the icon on disk |
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| 18:47.06 | linuxguy | whats an easy way to see what version I am running. |
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| 18:47.40 | aseigo | kde4-config --version |
| 18:47.46 | aseigo | or in the Help menu of any kde app |
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| 18:48.47 | linuxguy | ok, cool. its 4.2.2 how can I find the name of the icon? |
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| 18:52.59 | rdieter | linuxguy: it's part of your icon theme, usually called start-here.png or start-here-kde.png |
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| 18:53.00 | linuxguy | sorry to apear likea dumb ass,but I am new to kbuntu/kde4. in debain kde was always something I choose to install instead of coming with the os. have to admit i like kbuntu alot. |
| 18:53.00 | Half-Left | aseigo: We were just discussing it in #fedora-kde, we all seem to get that error |
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| 18:58.05 | linuxguy | thanks rdieter |
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| 19:02.38 | deminished | how do i make programs start automaticly when startx starts ? |
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| 19:05.04 | hacosta | deminished: settings -> advanced -> Autostart |
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| 19:05.56 | deminished | hacosta, i dont see "advanced" |
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| 19:06.26 | hacosta | it's a tab |
| 19:06.39 | hacosta | you have General tab |
| 19:06.43 | hacosta | and advanced tab |
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| 19:06.53 | hacosta | just below overview |
| 19:07.11 | deminished | erm ok where do i find settings ? |
| 19:07.21 | deminished | because i dont have a window with tabs... |
| 19:07.33 | deminished | i have settings on the start menu which opens more options |
| 19:07.37 | hacosta | run systemsettings |
| 19:07.41 | deminished | ok |
| 19:07.50 | hacosta | kde3? |
| 19:08.01 | deminished | i think its not the latest version |
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| 19:08.24 | deminished | kde 3.5.10 |
| 19:08.58 | hacosta | oh well.. there should be a hidden folder in your home directory |
| 19:09.01 | hacosta | called .kde |
| 19:09.04 | deminished | ok |
| 19:09.16 | hacosta | inside you'll find an Autostart folder |
| 19:09.28 | hacosta | just put there whatever script you want to run. |
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| 19:09.38 | deminished | hmm i found .kde |
| 19:09.42 | deminished | no autostart folder... |
| 19:09.53 | deminished | i am apt-get install systemsettings also |
| 19:10.20 | deminished | hmm |
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| 19:10.30 | deminished | systemsettings didnt see to work out either |
| 19:10.36 | deminished | opens a blank window with a search bar |
| 19:10.57 | deminished | with greyed out search and overview buttons |
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| 19:11.58 | deminished | hacosta, anything else i can try ? |
| 19:12.11 | hacosta | deminished: try creating the Autostart folder |
| 19:12.16 | deminished | ok |
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| 19:12.42 | deminished | whats the format of the script |
| 19:12.47 | deminished | is it the same as a .sh script |
| 19:12.52 | deminished | what file name should i use? |
| 19:12.56 | deminished | any file name ? |
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| 19:13.18 | hacosta | a script should work fine, just make it executable. |
| 19:13.26 | deminished | hacosta, lets say for example i want to start kate |
| 19:13.44 | deminished | how do i make a .sh script executable ? |
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| 19:14.20 | hacosta | #!/bin/bash |
| 19:14.22 | hacosta | kate |
| 19:14.25 | hacosta | save it |
| 19:14.29 | deminished | as ? |
| 19:14.34 | hacosta | as kate.sh or whatever |
| 19:14.38 | deminished | ok |
| 19:14.46 | hacosta | then run chmod +x kate.sh |
| 19:15.13 | deminished | ok now restart kde ? |
| 19:15.22 | hacosta | yup |
| 19:15.29 | deminished | ok thanks brb |
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| 19:16.55 | deminished | hacosta, didnt work.. |
| 19:16.58 | deminished | no kate |
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| 19:17.05 | wolter | hi |
| 19:17.17 | wolter | how do i start the kde networkd manager? |
| 19:17.30 | wolter | also, neither my mouse, nor my touchpad, work in my ubuntu kde session |
| 19:17.37 | wolter | what do I have to do? |
| 19:17.49 | hacosta | deminished: i don't know then, it's strage that you don't have that Autostart folder (the caps matter) |
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| 19:18.11 | deminished | yeah it was capitalised |
| 19:18.17 | thiago_home | wolter: I think you need to ask in #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
| 19:18.28 | wolter | ok |
| 19:18.30 | thiago_home | wolter: first, if your mouse and touchpad aren't working, that's an X.org problem |
| 19:18.34 | thiago_home | we can't help you with that |
| 19:18.50 | thiago_home | second that indicates a misconfigured system, which could be the cause of further problems |
| 19:18.59 | thiago_home | and third, NM is really distribution-specific |
| 19:19.15 | hacosta | deminished: how are you starting kde? |
| 19:19.19 | deminished | startX |
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| 19:19.25 | deminished | from cmd line |
| 19:19.30 | hacosta | just add it to your .xinitrc file then |
| 19:19.39 | Guest89307 | hi all |
| 19:19.41 | deminished | ok looking for that.. |
| 19:20.40 | Guest89307 | i need help cas i want to install paltalk |
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| 19:21.14 | abosarah | ? |
| 19:21.37 | deminished | ok i made some changes |
| 19:21.38 | abosarah | anybody here |
| 19:21.45 | deminished | re testing |
| 19:22.24 | tuxick | what is supposed to replace kitchensync on kde4? |
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| 19:26.40 | deminished | :( |
| 19:26.50 | deminished | hacosta, no luck |
| 19:27.27 | abosarah | anyone plz can he help me for install the PalTalk messenger |
| 19:27.45 | hacosta | deminished: can you post your .xinitrc file? |
| 19:27.53 | hacosta | there should be no exec before startkde |
| 19:27.55 | deminished | yeah sure... |
| 19:29.14 | deminished | http://pastebin.com/m31f613d1 |
| 19:30.11 | hacosta | i meant the one in your home |
| 19:30.31 | hacosta | ~/.xinitrc |
| 19:30.31 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
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| 19:32.05 | deminished | ahh |
| 19:32.52 | deminished | dont have one.. |
| 19:33.59 | hacosta | i don't know how kde is even started then.. sorry |
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| 19:34.12 | deminished | ok |
| 19:34.41 | Pnux | hey, i just killed the panels using ctrl+alt+esc, is there a way to bring it up without restarting x? im on debian |
| 19:35.22 | hacosta | kquitapp plasma && kdeinit4_wrapper plasma |
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| 19:36.43 | Pnux | oh, and using kde 3.5.10 (not sure about the 10, but deff 3.5) |
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| 19:38.12 | hacosta | oh.. killall kicker && kicker |
| 19:38.32 | hacosta | maybe there is kquitapp in kde 3 |
| 19:38.36 | hacosta | don't know. |
| 19:39.05 | hacosta | actually.. killall kicker; kicker |
| 19:39.13 | hacosta | it probably is already dead ;) |
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| 19:39.18 | Pnux | pnux@debian:~$ kquitapp plasma && kdeinit_wrapper plasmabash: kquitapp: command not found |
| 19:39.40 | Pnux | it was death already, all i had to do was run kicker |
| 19:39.44 | Pnux | thanks for the help |
| 19:39.45 | pinotree | Pnux: that is for kde4 |
| 19:39.57 | pinotree | you need kicker for panels, and kdesktop for the desktop |
| 19:40.08 | hacosta | np |
| 19:40.37 | Pnux | pinotree: i figured that, i was telling hacosta that kquitapp doesnt work on KDE3 |
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| 19:52.43 | ghabit | Hello. I have a problem with konqueror - on several sites it adding itself :80 to address and I cannot open page with error 'Security Breach or Incorrect Firewall'. And I need to remove every time :80 by hands. How to fix it? |
| 19:52.54 | epsas | wom 6 |
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| 19:58.38 | gomoran | Aren't the tristate checkboxes in TreeViews in Oxygen are a bit to big? |
| 19:59.42 | pillum | Hey, I have a problem with Konsole. I can only run it as root :( Can anybody help me? |
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| 20:01.06 | pillum | P.S. its KDE4 on FreeBSD 7.1 |
| 20:01.16 | Sho_ | wow, I never knew about ctrl+t in kate (swapping the characters on both sides of the cursor) |
| 20:01.20 | thiago_home | what happens when you run it as a normal user? |
| 20:01.52 | pillum | it closes itself after a second |
| 20:01.54 | thiago_home | Sho_: Emacs has the same feature, in the same shortcut |
| 20:02.07 | thiago_home | Sho_: but I still haven't understood the purpose/use-case for that feature |
| 20:02.17 | thiago_home | pillum: what does it print in its standard output and error? |
| 20:02.20 | thiago_home | pillum: does it crash? |
| 20:02.36 | Sho_ | thiago_home: since when does niftyness need a purpose?! ;) |
| 20:02.44 | Sho_ | thiago_home: dunno, will have to see if it ends up being useful ;) |
| 20:03.45 | pillum | it prints doesn't print anything special |
| 20:03.58 | pillum | the same thing it does when I run it as root |
| 20:04.30 | hacosta | it's really useful to correct typos |
| 20:04.37 | thiago_home | pillum: can you run it in gdb? |
| 20:04.39 | hacosta | xp (in vim) or kate vim mode |
| 20:05.34 | thiago_home | finds it easier to hit backspace twice and retype than to use Ctrl+T |
| 20:05.40 | pillum | Last line: <unknown program name>(6903)/: KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly. |
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| 20:05.52 | thiago_home | pillum: try running with --nofork |
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| 20:07.44 | pillum | now the last lines are: [New Thread 0x2b002470 (LWP 100172)]] \n [Thread 0x2b002470 (LWP 100172) exited] \n\n Program exited normally. |
| 20:09.07 | thiago_home | sees no way a KUniqueApplication could close the pipe like that |
| 20:09.10 | thiago_home | unless it crashed |
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| 20:48.11 | Jaxad0127 | hello, is there any way for me to tell KDE to not resize my panels? |
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| 21:04.58 | JustMe[GnR] | should i upgrade to 4.3? |
| 21:05.06 | thiago_home | if you want |
| 21:05.18 | JustMe[GnR] | how unstable is it? |
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| 21:05.36 | thiago_home | a bit |
| 21:05.38 | thiago_home | not more than usual |
| 21:05.41 | thiago_home | uses it daily |
| 21:06.45 | JustMe[GnR] | if you had to choose between 4.2.2 and 4.3... what would it be? |
| 21:08.22 | ld50 | 4.2.3 |
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| 21:10.22 | jad4 | is waiting for the beta |
| 21:11.05 | jad4 | it would be nice if someone fied kde.org |
| 21:11.15 | jad4 | it's been messed up for quite a while now |
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| 21:14.55 | ronin_ | I just upgraded from kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 (which intern brought kde4 to 4.2.2) but now KDE locks up randomly and often crashes |
| 21:15.47 | ronin_ | the console after a crash said something about acapi, I don't know what that would have to do with aything but I disabled acapi |
| 21:15.48 | tuxick | ronin_: video driver? |
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| 21:16.14 | ronin_ | tuxick: 96.43.10 |
| 21:16.52 | tuxick | ronin_: 180.51 here |
| 21:16.58 | tuxick | finally one that doesn't crash |
| 21:17.16 | tuxick | assuning that's nvidia |
| 21:17.26 | ronin_ | I don't think I can run 180 because I have a GeForce 4 Ti 4200. So I need a legacy driver right? |
| 21:17.27 | ronin_ | yeah |
| 21:17.40 | tuxick | checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 21:19.54 | mogra | what's the little "hourglass" for on a Widget description in "Add Widgets"? |
| 21:19.57 | ronin_ | There are a couple erors about the mouse being missing |
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| 21:20.30 | ronin_ | warnings abour "dri2" not being loaded... |
| 21:20.54 | jeisma | is there a way to control totem's playlist through the terminal? |
| 21:21.50 | ronin_ | tuxick: http://rafb.net/p/yduN8B29.html here is the output from the log, I don't see anything telling in there |
| 21:22.28 | tuxick | ronin_: indeed |
| 21:22.39 | tuxick | sadly nvidia takes a few million parameters |
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| 21:23.00 | ronin_ | Im not convinced its the driver |
| 21:23.16 | jeisma | are there commands to save and load playlists for totem through the console? |
| 21:23.19 | ronin_ | I could reinstall it... |
| 21:23.29 | tuxick | well i've had HORRIBLE problems with kde4 on nvidia |
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| 21:23.45 | tuxick | and there's some threads accusing nvidia |
| 21:23.56 | tuxick | btw, effects on or off? |
| 21:24.05 | tuxick | what about glxinfo and friends? |
| 21:24.05 | ronin_ | on, Ill try turning thme off |
| 21:24.12 | tuxick | heh good plan |
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| 21:26.36 | mogra | simple question, what's the little "hourglass" for on a Widget description in "Add Widgets"? |
| 21:26.43 | ronin_ | actually, the were disabled, so I just enabled them :D |
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| 21:26.58 | pinotree | mogra: should be like "widget used recently" |
| 21:27.12 | mogra | ah |
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| 21:28.01 | mogra | is there a list of widgets "known to pin CPU?" No idea why, but plasma was at 100%, so I removed one widget at a time, and after the calendar was removed, plasma's cpu usage dropped significantly |
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| 21:28.14 | pinotree | kde version? |
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| 21:28.35 | mogra | 4.2.2, Arch KDEMod build |
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| 21:29.03 | pinotree | i recall a problem like the one you are describing, involving the calendar |
| 21:29.12 | pinotree | iirc should be fixed for kde 4.2.3 |
| 21:29.40 | mogra | any release date on that yet? |
| 21:29.48 | pinotree | 7-10 days |
| 21:29.51 | mogra | or rather, expected time frame* |
| 21:30.25 | mogra | so, probably about 2, maybe 3 weeks till it hits kdemod repos, given past turnaround |
| 21:30.33 | GiantTalkingCow | Speaking of KDEMod, I really hope they eventually get that Chakra LiveCD out of alpha. |
| 21:30.46 | mogra | GiantTalkingCow: you mean working at all? ;) |
| 21:31.13 | GiantTalkingCow | mogra: Was it that bad? I recall getting it working last month, although it had some bugs. |
| 21:32.51 | mogra | eh, I had a large amount of problems with it. It's much smoother just installing Arch base and following the kdemod install instructions |
| 21:33.34 | mogra | I might be exaggerating on "working at all", but... It'd be nice if it were, as you say, out of alpha. A quick path, so to speak, to having Arch+KDEMod, at the least |
| 21:33.41 | GiantTalkingCow | I suppose, but I'm getting tired of cli installations, mostly because I can't remember how I set it up last and have to end up looking everything up again. |
| 21:34.14 | GiantTalkingCow | It's not hard, but it is tedious. |
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| 21:35.24 | mogra | GiantTalkingCow: pacman -Qqe | grep -v "$(pacman -Qmq)" > pkglist |
| 21:35.26 | mogra | :) |
| 21:35.46 | GiantTalkingCow | Thanks. |
| 21:36.00 | mogra | it's in the Wiki, too, btw |
| 21:36.34 | mogra | pacman -S $(cat pkglist) |
| 21:36.40 | mogra | ^- to reinstall installed pkgs |
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| 21:37.18 | GiantTalkingCow | I'm sure it is, but I've gotten lazy these days when it comes to looking stuff up. I probably missed it, or something. Actually at this point, every one of the OSes I use seems to be more of a pain in the ass than is worthwhile... it makes me pine for the days of the Amiga. Or BeOS. :P |
| 21:37.41 | mogra | mm...hmm |
| 21:37.43 | mogra | ok |
| 21:39.23 | GiantTalkingCow | Most modern OSes have a UI that bugs the hell out of me. KISS has either gone too far and evolved into "you can't change these features even by editing a config file" (aka Gnome and OS X) or "here's everything and the kitchen sink, only all organized like someone's messy closet" (Windows and KDE). |
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| 21:41.26 | ronin_ | tuxick: its funny, KDE still locks up sometimes but it seems to run better with desktop effects enabled |
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| 21:42.13 | GiantTalkingCow | It certainly does. That's one thing the 4.x team got working very smoothly. (on every machine I've tried it on, anyhow) |
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| 21:42.48 | tuxick | ronin_: funny indeed :) |
| 21:42.56 | tuxick | it was quite the reverse for me |
| 21:43.34 | GiantTalkingCow | Were you using the latest version of x.org? If so, it's a driver problem. (and easily fixed by downgrading or sidegrading) |
| 21:43.36 | ronin_ | tuxick: I also disabled the KDE twitter widget and that seems to help too |
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| 21:46.10 | tuxick | hehe |
| 21:46.14 | tuxick | twitter = evil |
| 21:46.27 | tuxick | you should delete it, and burn the drive it was on |
| 21:46.41 | mogra | there a way I can fire the "disable trackpad" event when an external mouse is plugged in to USB? |
| 21:48.55 | mogra | nevermind, found some hal events... time to tinker |
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| 22:08.34 | vjacob | someone know what to do about https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178968 ? |
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| 22:08.50 | vjacob | I'm not able to set my clock here, and the clock is obviously set wrong... |
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| 22:16.23 | mogra | you know what would be helpful IMO... GIMP style guidelines for Widget alignment |
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| 22:19.41 | Shingoshi | This is REAL funny! I just started plasma in XFCE!! I'm running the KDE panel now, instead of XFCE's. |
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| 22:21.00 | tuxick | Shingoshi: almost scary |
| 22:22.05 | luke-jr_ | any alternatives to Plasma? |
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| 22:24.33 | vjacob | can someone translate: debug: [pppd] Warning - secret file /etc/ppp/pap-secrets has world and/or group access ? |
| 22:24.50 | vjacob | e.g. does this error mean that I should change permissions on that file or what? |
| 22:26.20 | Half-Left | luke-jr_: Yer, gnome, xfce etc.. :p |
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| 22:28.03 | vjacob | what do people here use to connect with VPN ins KDE4? |
| 22:29.30 | Shingoshi | luke-jr_: I wish there was an alternative. Plasma kept crashing my panel and losing all the icons on it. |
| 22:29.55 | Shingoshi | I was simply left with a completely blank panel. |
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| 22:30.20 | Shingoshi | And it happened like clockwork! On schedule. |
| 22:31.14 | Half-Left | Plasma doesn't crash the panel, it is the panel and the desktop |
| 22:31.49 | Half-Left | Atleast you can reproduce it :) |
| 22:32.30 | vjacob | hello. can someone read what I'm writing? |
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| 22:51.49 | luke-jr_ | Half-Left: GTK+ is automatic fail |
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| 22:53.11 | SoylentYellow | I keep getting "unable to create io-slave" when I try to press the back button in Konqueror while browsing the internet. |
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| 22:58.31 | Half-Left | luke-jr_: No comment :p |
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| 23:15.11 | frankS2 | hello, the 3d effects in KDe suddenly stopped working, how can i restttart it? |
| 23:15.38 | dereine | alts-shift-f12 |
| 23:15.51 | frankS2 | wee |
| 23:15.52 | frankS2 | thanks |
| 23:15.54 | frankS2 | :) |
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| 23:25.24 | [A2K] | hello. In KDE 3.5 i could scroll mousewheel over some window and it became focused, but the window that was active before that did not hide under new active window. Is it possible in kde4? |
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| 23:26.45 | thiago_home | I don't think so |
| 23:27.06 | [A2K] | but i like this kde feature :( |
| 23:27.10 | [A2K] | it works in gnome too |
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| 23:28.35 | thiago_home | how can you like a feature that doesn't exist? |
| 23:29.34 | [A2K] | most WMs focus window on mouse scroll over them |
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| 23:29.53 | Half-Left | KDE4 can do that yes with the mouse wheel |
| 23:29.57 | thiago_home | considering kwin corresponds to 45% or more of the WMs, I'd say most don't |
| 23:30.21 | [A2K] | Half-Left: how to configure that? |
| 23:30.21 | nick01 | how do I get to use single click in dolphin ? I forgot |
| 23:30.50 | Half-Left | [A2K]: Your wanting to control the focus of windows by the mouse wheel? |
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| 23:30.57 | Half-Left | you're* |
| 23:31.13 | thiago_home | nick01: you haven't taken a look at Dolphin's configuration, have you? |
| 23:32.05 | Half-Left | [A2K]: Without clicking? |
| 23:32.06 | [A2K] | Half-Left: i want to focus window without hiding the window that is over it |
| 23:32.07 | nick01 | thiago_home: I have- cant see it |
| 23:32.15 | [A2K] | yes, to focus without a click |
| 23:32.40 | thiago_home | nick01: Settings, Configure Dolphin, Navigation, select "single-click to open files and folders" |
| 23:33.47 | Half-Left | [A2K]: Right click the title bar and Configure Window behavior>Actions |
| 23:34.04 | nick01 | thiago_home: I dont have navigation in settings - configure dolphin |
| 23:34.28 | thiago_home | which version of KDE is that? |
| 23:34.49 | nick01 | thiago_home: 4.2.2 comes with 2009.1 |
| 23:35.18 | thiago_home | I think that menu has been there for a while |
| 23:35.24 | [A2K] | Half-Left: there are no options for mouse wheel scroll. Only for middle click. Middle clicks works like i want wheel scroll to work, but it also pastes clipboard content. |
| 23:35.27 | thiago_home | but I can't be sure. I'm running 4.3 (pre-alpha) |
| 23:35.41 | nick01 | :( |
| 23:35.59 | Half-Left | [A2K]: Look at "Titlebar Wheel event" |
| 23:36.36 | [A2K] | Half-Left: that will work only on titlebar |
| 23:41.15 | Half-Left | [A2K]: Looks like thats all you can do |
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| 23:42.17 | nick01 | is flash supposed to be working in konqueror (kde 4.2.2) = |
| 23:42.19 | nick01 | ? |
| 23:42.27 | thiago_home | yes |
| 23:42.53 | mal|lappy | I have a question concerning taglib, would this be the right place to ask it (as it is a part of kde) |
| 23:42.54 | nick01 | thiago_home: with the 64 bit flash it isnt |
| 23:43.12 | thiago_home | there's no 64-bit flash |
| 23:43.16 | thiago_home | there's only a 32-bit one |
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| 23:43.32 | nick01 | thiago_home: theres an aphpa one |
| 23:43.44 | thiago_home | have you installed it? |
| 23:43.56 | nick01 | thiago_home: yes |
| 23:43.58 | thiago_home | anyways, it doesn't matter |
| 23:44.03 | thiago_home | it has never been tested with Konqueror |
| 23:44.08 | thiago_home | so there's no telling whether it works or not |
| 23:44.10 | thiago_home | use the 32-bit one |
| 23:44.16 | nick01 | thiago_home: ook |
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| 23:45.04 | mal|lappy | So my taglib question: Is it possible to open a file in taglib read only? When I try to open a media file which is already open (eg being played), it fails to open it (the file is opened in such a way that other programs can open it for read only). |
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