| 00:00.11 | aseigo | cenuij: and the "flyout menu is too far away" was fixed some time ago, btw. |
| 00:00.11 | cenuij | aseigo: your in dreamland, you had better exercise your cencorship if you wish to have the last word in this "conversation" +b ahoy |
| 00:00.38 | aseigo | have it your way. it's not about you, it's about this channel being a useful, enjoyable place for others. |
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| 00:00.50 | pusling | \o/ |
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| 00:01.35 | BurkeOne | sorry, I just experienced a crash... do somebody know if kopete is still maintained? |
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| 00:01.58 | aseigo | BurkeOne: yes, actively so. new features and everything in 4.2 ;) |
| 00:02.29 | BurkeOne | so, just kopete'S Webpage is unmaintained? |
| 00:02.56 | Sput | ooooh, I didn't even know that the cashew is draggable now :D |
| 00:03.26 | pusling | can't drag his cashew |
| 00:04.48 | aseigo | BurkeOne: probably. =/ |
| 00:05.31 | bonsaikitten | eats some salty cashews and watches kde trunk compile |
| 00:05.37 | BurkeOne | so, what about a guestmode in Kopete? what about a restored IRC plugin or full integration of Telepaphy/Decibel? Did they managed to get those things in? |
| 00:05.38 | pusling | too many open source webpages is outdated - usually because it is more interesting to write code than webpages |
| 00:05.39 | Sput | can drag his cashew |
| 00:05.42 | Sput | wow that's shiny :D |
| 00:05.47 | Sput | aseigo++ |
| 00:06.04 | pusling | what's a guestmode ? |
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| 00:06.47 | BurkeOne | "Allow people other than the current user to use another IM account while not bloating the user settings, like a sandbox mode. " |
| 00:07.18 | pusling | oh. I hope that's at the very bottom of thee todo |
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| 00:08.43 | BurkeOne | BTW: does anybody know if techbase=>feature plan for 4.2 is up to date? It seems many features didn't get ready for 4.2.... |
| 00:09.28 | reavertm | well, I guess updating feature plan needs some work as well, and kde is short in manpower |
| 00:09.59 | reavertm | so people, don't complain - contribute! |
| 00:10.25 | BurkeOne | That is something people like me could handle. But from where get I the information of feature status? |
| 00:11.21 | bonsaikitten | BurkeOne: you ask, be patient and hope that people will point you in the right direction - at times frustrating, but the results are so nice |
| 00:12.31 | reavertm | possibly asking devs on irc would be best idea, I guess when you tell you want to help, someone will guide in valid direction (but it should be done in some 'working' hours when more devs are around |
| 00:12.33 | BurkeOne | doesn't sound satisfying. Developers should think about documentation, and that feature plan is a documentation as well IMO |
| 00:12.50 | BurkeOne | but well... maybe there no other choise |
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| 00:13.55 | pusling | BurkeOne: just follow along the right places in svn to see when someting gets started and more or less finished |
| 00:14.32 | pusling | I did thing that the feature plan was quite ambitious when created, so I'm satisfied with the amount of finished vs notfinished. |
| 00:14.35 | bonsaikitten | BurkeOne: it's a matter of priorization - there's finite time and infinite amounts of ideas |
| 00:14.39 | sandsmark | BurkeOne: they're to busy implementing the features to update all the feature plans, todos and README's :p |
| 00:14.56 | aseigo | BurkeOne: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/design/CHANGELOG |
| 00:15.10 | aseigo | BurkeOne: other projects do similarly. the promo team is working on the 4.2 release docs |
| 00:16.10 | BurkeOne | @pusling: That work could be significantly easier if the dev just tell somebody, that a certain feature can be marked as done... |
| 00:16.26 | BurkeOne | Thx for that features list |
| 00:16.52 | BurkeOne | that is absolutely one of the most intersting pages I have seen that day :) |
| 00:17.05 | BurkeOne | Last Question: Rumors said, that there's started a fork of KDE3, recently. Is that true? |
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| 00:18.17 | thoand | hi, I switched to kde4.2 beta2 yesterday and have to say it works great, I am using the open source radeon driver since yesterday too and now I have a stable and beautiful system, thank you! |
| 00:18.24 | sandsmark | BurkeOne: people have talked about it since pre-4.0 release, noone has done anything yet |
| 00:18.29 | reavertm | nah, just some .dot trolling ;) |
| 00:18.30 | sandsmark | (lot of hot air, though! :p) |
| 00:18.45 | BurkeOne | okay |
| 00:18.47 | BurkeOne | I see |
| 00:18.57 | pusling | sandsmark: where is that trolling ? |
| 00:19.14 | BurkeOne | Sounds that one or two trolls try to rickroll you^^ |
| 00:19.19 | BurkeOne | in some way |
| 00:19.26 | sandsmark | pusling: blog comments, on the dot, slashdot, etc. |
| 00:19.47 | sandsmark | in dark and damp places, where they the trolls thrive :p |
| 00:20.18 | reavertm | forking kde is impractical - too much work, no gain really = no point really |
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| 00:21.36 | BurkeOne | I am curious how a fork of KDE3 would look like... they would have to fork qt3 as well |
| 00:22.28 | sandsmark | those who talk about probably haven't written a line of c++ in their whole life |
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| 00:23.48 | BurkeOne | I cannot judge that statement, I only wrote java and javascript things... |
| 00:23.55 | BurkeOne | probably youre right |
| 00:24.21 | aseigo | depends on what they wanted to do |
| 00:24.30 | BurkeOne | does anyone consider to implement yahoo desktop gadgets(or how they are called) support? |
| 00:24.49 | aseigo | if they just wanted to do maintenance (bug fixing, etc) a dozen or so realy committed people could keep it going in that fashion |
| 00:24.49 | BurkeOne | or even support for windows vsidebar widgets in plasma? |
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| 00:25.15 | sandsmark | BurkeOne: you want MORE gadgets support? I haven't even tried all the types of gadgets yet (only superkaramba and normal plasmoids :p) |
| 00:25.17 | aseigo | if they wanted to do feature devel and keep it running with things like networkmanager 0.7, the it's a bigger effort. huge, actually. |
| 00:25.28 | aseigo | BurkeOne: yeah, both would be cool. well, the vista one more than the yahoo one. |
| 00:25.42 | sandsmark | BurkeOne: you can have a sidebar, just add another panel? :p |
| 00:25.49 | BurkeOne | AFAIK KDE3 is still officially maintained and in bugfixing mode |
| 00:26.00 | aseigo | BurkeOne: the yahoo one is HUGE (i looked that API), they don't seem to have THAT many widgets or users of them .. so the effort/payoff ratio seems .. low |
| 00:26.24 | aseigo | the vista ones would be interesting just from a "ha ha. we have YOUR widgets too!" perspective ;) |
| 00:26.30 | aseigo | plasma katamari |
| 00:26.39 | BurkeOne | exactly |
| 00:26.40 | aseigo | they also seemed a bit less involved API wise last i looked at them |
| 00:26.50 | pusling | aseigo: if the vista widgets is binary thingies, you could use libwine ? ;) |
| 00:26.50 | sandsmark | ah, you mean the widgets, not the sidebar, I suck at reading :p |
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| 00:27.08 | BurkeOne | I don't want a sidebar, I am well aware of plasma's capabilities. Therefore, I would like to see my favourite Desktop shell to rule the world, considering almost every applet possible^^ |
| 00:27.16 | aseigo | we're not going to be doing any more official releases of 3.5.x, no .. but people are welcome to continue fixing bugs, finishing translations, etc.. quite a bit of that went on in 2008 |
| 00:27.46 | sandsmark | aseigo: but distros will have to checkout from svn to get it? |
| 00:27.47 | BurkeOne | at least Sidebar widgets would be nice, because I could use the train schedule widget for my city |
| 00:28.05 | BurkeOne | so, no 3.5.11? |
| 00:28.34 | sandsmark | maybe, if someone forks it into Quaker Desktop Environment? :p |
| 00:28.52 | BurkeOne | Why not releasing 3.5.11 on the same day like 4.2 - with 42 bugs fixed;) |
| 00:29.38 | pusling | aseigo: oh. have fun with the cooking in switzerland |
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| 00:31.39 | BurkeOne | Does someone know if googlle gadgets behave well in a panel? |
| 00:31.50 | BurkeOne | They have a trainticker clock... |
| 00:32.04 | BurkeOne | ...with date*gasp* |
| 00:32.22 | pusling | BurkeOne: try ? |
| 00:32.42 | BurkeOne | don't have 4.2 installed yet |
| 00:32.50 | BurkeOne | that come on january 27 |
| 00:33.11 | pusling | is considering when to switch to 4.2 |
| 00:33.56 | BurkeOne | last time I switched to 4.1 R, but this time I want to be surprised by it |
| 00:34.04 | BurkeOne | 4.1 RC, I meant |
| 00:34.25 | pusling | probably switches when debian expereimntal switches |
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| 00:35.40 | sandsmark | has been on 4.2 for a couple of weeks already, and just upped another snapshot :D |
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| 00:36.23 | BurkeOne | I tried a KDE four live CD for Beta 1, but it alsways crashed when I started kPat |
| 00:36.39 | pusling | and that's the most important app in kde. |
| 00:37.04 | BurkeOne | absolutely! |
| 00:37.07 | sandsmark | seriously, what's a desktop environment without card games? :) |
| 00:37.13 | BurkeOne | Full ack |
| 00:37.21 | BurkeOne | I just miss MS-Hearts |
| 00:37.28 | pusling | but those bastards have killed kolf |
| 00:37.40 | BurkeOne | Kolf2 is coming;) |
| 00:37.47 | pusling | yeah. but for 4.3 |
| 00:37.54 | pusling | and tehy killed kolf1 for 4.2 |
| 00:37.55 | BurkeOne | right |
| 00:38.41 | BurkeOne | I gues Kolf need a nice looking 2D-Engine |
| 00:38.53 | pusling | and a not broken on. |
| 00:38.54 | BurkeOne | and some animations |
| 00:39.06 | pusling | kolf is quite hard to play when your ball end up in the lines |
| 00:39.13 | sandsmark | I'm waiting for kdevelop, so I can ditch vim when coding :D |
| 00:39.20 | BurkeOne | well, yes |
| 00:39.21 | stoned | If I was the headless horsemenâs horse, I would fuck with that dude. Yeah, weâre going that way. Weâre not headed towards the hay. Imagine if the headless horsemen had a headless horse, that would be fucking chaos. We need a head! |
| 00:39.36 | stoned | Iâd hate to be the headless horsemenâs dentist. You wouldnât make very much money. |
| 00:39.59 | pusling | oh. stoned is stoned |
| 00:40.04 | BurkeOne | Is it possible to code games with KDE? Somethink like supertux or some windows-like strategy-games? |
| 00:40.06 | stoned | 4=D |
| 00:40.10 | stoned | yes |
| 00:40.13 | stoned | it is |
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| 00:40.35 | sandsmark | BurkeOne: there was a 3d RTS written using the kdegames libraries, iirc |
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| 00:40.46 | BurkeOne | cool |
| 00:40.49 | stoned | you have to install kdevelop, the language you want, its bindings in whichever graphical toolkit you want, gl or sdl |
| 00:40.52 | pusling | BurkeOne: just combine the rubick cube game with ksirk and there you are. |
| 00:40.53 | BurkeOne | I should have a look |
| 00:41.05 | Jucato | (not necessary on the kdevelop part) |
| 00:41.22 | sandsmark | boson |
| 00:41.26 | stoned | more than likely you should use a 3d game engine |
| 00:41.29 | BurkeOne | What exactly does the Nepomuk search runner in Krunner? What are the benefits? |
| 00:41.39 | stoned | or a game engine of some sort of at least game development libraries |
| 00:41.40 | sandsmark | all your files |
| 00:41.43 | stoned | or frameworks |
| 00:41.54 | sandsmark | it's damn annoying here, it keeps getting new results, which resets the choice I made :p |
| 00:42.17 | sandsmark | «Boson is an OpenGL real-time strategy game. It is designed to run on Unix (Linux) computers, and is built on top of the KDE, Qt and kdegames libraries.» |
| 00:42.22 | sandsmark | it's dead, though |
| 00:42.23 | pusling | BurkeOne: nepomuk is for actually finding all your pr0n spread all over your harddrive. |
| 00:42.33 | BurkeOne | I know |
| 00:42.35 | BurkeOne | But... |
| 00:42.47 | stoned | uhm |
| 00:43.18 | BurkeOne | I want to find a file with a name I hardly remeber. Something about "homework". So now I open Krunner an type "search homework" ? |
| 00:43.36 | BurkeOne | or better "find homework"?^^ |
| 00:43.44 | sandsmark | just "homework" works for me :p |
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| 00:44.11 | BurkeOne | so It has access to the index? |
| 00:44.12 | sandsmark | though it searches through contents too |
| 00:45.05 | BurkeOne | does nepomuk also indexes recently plugged-in devices an shared folders? |
| 00:45.25 | sandsmark | it only searches the paths you specify, afaik |
| 00:46.27 | sandsmark | how to kill plasma with this checkout: plug in your OpenMoko Freerunner! :p |
| 00:47.13 | BurkeOne | sorry for my permanent topic switching, but I am crawling through the plasma changelog atm, which causes some urgend questions from time to time;) |
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| 00:48.33 | BurkeOne | A Krunner-plugin for the amarok-database would also be useful |
| 00:49.10 | pusling | it would be more useful for amarok to use nepomuk |
| 00:49.39 | BurkeOne | agreed |
| 00:49.45 | BurkeOne | maybe just a matter of time |
| 00:51.01 | sandsmark | it was too slow, iirc |
| 00:51.07 | Dhraakellian | is klotz/kldraw still seeing active development? |
| 00:51.22 | sandsmark | yeah, I think someone picked it up not too long ago |
| 00:51.56 | Dhraakellian | I remember seeing something about it in the commit digest blurb a couple months ago, but nothing since |
| 00:52.29 | BurkeOne | okay thanks for your attention. Good luck with the trolls. Just show them some videos of KDE 4.2 instead of screenshot only in the release announcements for "the Answer" ;) |
| 00:52.30 | BurkeOne | bye |
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| 00:54.12 | Dhraakellian | fires up the KDE3 khotkeys |
| 00:54.40 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 00:55.08 | Dhraakellian | would it be possible to make a khotkeys gesture to focus a window without raising it? |
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| 01:20.59 | soreau | Hello |
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| 01:23.09 | soreau | I am trying to figure out how to set the install path. So far, I tried "CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/build cmake ../build" but the subsequent make and make install just installs to /usr/local/ anyway |
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| 01:24.27 | Jucato | it should be "cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/blah/blah etc etc" |
| 01:24.39 | soreau | -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX? |
| 01:24.42 | soreau | tries it |
| 01:24.47 | Jucato | you should be running cmake in the build dir (which is separate from the source dir) |
| 01:25.42 | soreau | I am |
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| 01:27.15 | Dhraakellian | how would I get a folder in kmail to show up in the folder list but not have its unread messages count towards the total displayed in the systray? |
| 01:27.31 | Skrot- | I get "Unknown CMake command "macro_write_basic_cmake_version_file"." when I try to compile kdepimlibs trunk. Any ideas? |
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| 01:28.11 | Skrot- | hm, nevermind. Old cmakecache :> |
| 01:28.24 | Dhraakellian | (I want my gmail/IMAP spam folder to be present so that I can move stuff there and occasionally check for false positives, but I don't want spam cluttering up the message count in the systray icon) |
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| 01:29.09 | pinotree | Skrot-: old kdelibs? |
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| 01:30.09 | Skrot- | rather no kdelibs. I tried to compile kdepimlibs prior to kdelibs earlier. Cleaning the cmake cache solved the issue. :) |
| 01:30.41 | soreau | Jucato: Well that worked but now when I run the program, it uses the libs in /usr, not in /opt where they are located. Might you have a clue on how to make this work? |
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| 01:32.11 | Jucato | set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable |
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| 01:49.25 | Vash63 | Hey, all of my kopete notifications come up on the top center area of my screen... I want them on the bottom right. |
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| 01:49.30 | Vash63 | Is there a way to change this? |
| 01:49.53 | apow | gotta be, mine don't do that |
| 01:49.58 | apow | never did actually lol |
| 01:50.25 | Vash63 | It does for my friend too, and on both of my KDE installs. |
| 01:50.27 | Dhraakellian | I thought they just came up at the systray's location |
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| 02:34.43 | arktos | Hey all! |
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| 02:35.08 | joe-coder | I can't get dolphin to hide hidden folders in the folder view |
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| 02:35.23 | Mirrakor | Is Albert around? |
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| 02:35.29 | Mirrakor | (Astal Cid) |
| 02:35.37 | joe-coder | my home folder has 7 of my own folders and 73 hidden ones that won't hide |
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| 02:36.58 | joe-coder | I even deleted ~/.kde/share/apps/dolphin and restarted. |
| 02:37.09 | Mirrakor | is there an KDE frontend for pdftk? |
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| 02:41.13 | joe-coder | huh, there was another option for show hidden files that appeared when right clicking on the folder |
| 02:41.26 | joe-coder | this was different than view, show hidden files and alt+. |
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| 02:42.04 | joe-coder | for anyone involved with kde/dolphin user interface, that might be something worth noting. |
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| 03:06.22 | WangXJ | is there anybody here? |
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| 03:07.59 | newsense | can anyone suggest a kde email notification applet |
| 03:08.12 | WangXJ | i just want to make friends with you, |
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| 03:08.33 | WangXJ | why no people speak to me? |
| 03:08.42 | WangXJ | so sad |
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| 03:10.49 | newsense | no one here knows of a good kde email notification applet ? |
| 03:11.46 | WangXJ | my msn is wangxj_nemo@yahoo.com.cn,i just want to improve my english,is there anybody willing to help me? |
| 03:12.40 | Jucato | newsense: try korn |
| 03:13.00 | Jucato | WangXJ: this is not a social channel. please ask in ##linguistics |
| 03:13.05 | Jucato | or #freenode-social |
| 03:13.42 | WangXJ | thanks a lot |
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| 03:16.28 | predder | I'm running kde 4.1, how can I make the contents of ~/Desktop appear on the actual desktop |
| 03:16.50 | predder | right now I can add like single files/folders |
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| 03:20.11 | Vash63 | Add the Desktop folder to your folderview? |
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| 03:20.29 | Vash63 | Add Widget, Folderview |
| 03:20.36 | Vash63 | Change its settings to point to ~/Desktop |
| 03:21.03 | Vash63 | You can't set your entire desktop to be a folder, that's coming in 4.2 but personally folderviews are nicer anyway. |
| 03:21.29 | predder | thanks Vash63, giving it a try now |
| 03:22.56 | predder | ahh yeah, that worked the treat |
| 03:23.02 | predder | it's _really_ slow though! |
| 03:24.14 | predder | core2, 3gb ram, 8800gt video and there's a half a second delay when I tell it to scroll |
| 03:26.12 | Vash63 | Anyone have any preferences for good qt4 video players? |
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| 03:54.16 | derek_k | Vash63: dragon |
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| 04:09.17 | Sigma0824 | Hello KDE Community. |
| 04:09.30 | Sigma0824 | Anyone have a few minutes to help with a minor problem |
| 04:09.44 | Sigma0824 | I am trying to mount a blank media like a CD or DVD |
| 04:09.57 | Vash63 | Anyone know what the best ATi driver for compositing in 4.1 is? I'm on fglrx now but have a few issues, wondering if either of the OSS drivers would be better. |
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| 04:13.16 | Sigma0824 | Can some help with HOWTO mount blank media? |
| 04:15.18 | Sigma0824 | Mandriva 2009. KDE 4.1.3 |
| 04:15.33 | derek_k | Sigma0824: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:15.46 | Sigma0824 | thank you. |
| 04:16.19 | Sigma0824 | Basically when you insert a cd or dvd into the drive, it shows up on "recently plugged in devices" |
| 04:16.29 | Sigma0824 | but when I put in blank media nothing happens |
| 04:17.03 | Sigma0824 | I would like to mount it so Virtualbox can See and use it. |
| 04:17.04 | derek_k | Sigma0824: there is no file system to mount on a blank cd or dvd |
| 04:17.18 | Sigma0824 | I see |
| 04:17.37 | derek_k | Sigma0824: are you trying to write to it? |
| 04:17.44 | Sigma0824 | YESS! |
| 04:17.59 | Sigma0824 | But in Virtualbox, natively everything works fine |
| 04:19.19 | derek_k | Sigma0824: I'm not sure Virtualbox supports that. try running something like k3b or equivalent in the virtualbox |
| 04:19.33 | Sigma0824 | ok, I will try now |
| 04:20.04 | Sigma0824 | Virtualbox says it supports writting data, but not music CD. But I have been able to get it to work |
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| 04:24.19 | derek_k | Sigma0824: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=7893 |
| 04:24.55 | Sigma0824 | I will look at that right now! |
| 04:27.16 | Sigma0824 | derek_k: thanks I have been looking on their forums. must have missed that one |
| 04:27.35 | derek_k | Sigma0824: google is your friend |
| 04:28.14 | Sigma0824 | derek_k: good idea, I searched through their 'forum search'. and yes it is |
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| 04:41.02 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 04:41.36 | Dhraakellian | I'm *almost* getting used to the (rather literally) counter-intuitive scrollwheel-over-desktop direction |
| 04:42.49 | Dhraakellian | hmm... actually, I suppose it's not counter intuitive if you rotate your mouse counterclockwise and pretend the scrollwheel is actually a dial/knob/whatever on the cube |
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| 04:43.35 | TowerNet | how do you use CMake to find a list of files so that you can feed them to FOREACH() ? |
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| 04:44.30 | TowerNet | FIND_FILE finds 1 file |
| 04:44.35 | TowerNet | I need to generate a list |
| 04:47.27 | TowerNet | EXEC_PROGRAM looks like the only way |
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| 04:53.11 | predder | pkill konsole |
| 04:53.19 | predder | ... whoops. |
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| 05:55.03 | TwinReverb | is there a way to make kmail save your mail in a different location than ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/whatever/whatever ? |
| 05:58.28 | N9NU | you can specify it within the "accounts" options for each pop account u have i believe |
| 05:58.42 | TwinReverb | i don't see it at all |
| 05:59.04 | N9NU | hm..i know its there somewhere...lemme see mind |
| 05:59.05 | N9NU | e |
| 06:01.36 | N9NU | ok i was thinking of of changing download mail dir to another folder ... |
| 06:01.41 | N9NU | i see what your saying |
| 06:02.02 | TwinReverb | yep i can't make it ~/Mail |
| 06:02.29 | N9NU | i am sure there is some way to mod that |
| 06:02.33 | TwinReverb | i could hard link it but that would be silly because it would cause my backups (via rsync) to increase in size |
| 06:02.43 | TwinReverb | shrugs |
| 06:02.51 | N9NU | yeah thats possible, but like ya said... |
| 06:03.00 | N9NU | i assume you get a lot of mail |
| 06:03.04 | TwinReverb | yep |
| 06:03.17 | N9NU | whether crap or not lol |
| 06:03.37 | TwinReverb | i was only trying to make my /home heirarchy more like mac os x (not because mac os x is better, but only because i am not organized so i needed to pick something and use that as my method of organization lol) |
| 06:04.20 | TwinReverb | i could try a symlink approach but i don't know if that would break anything |
| 06:04.24 | N9NU | yeah i understand...... |
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| 06:04.59 | N9NU | it shound not....you just have to remember i guess where the link is from and points to |
| 06:05.04 | N9NU | shouldnt be a big deal |
| 06:05.24 | N9NU | in fact....i BRB...gunna try something |
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| 06:45.00 | Dhraakellian | TwinReverb: why not make it ~/Mail? |
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| 06:46.22 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
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| 06:52.29 | TwinReverb | Dhraakellian, actually, i'm trying to make it ~/Mail |
| 06:52.34 | TwinReverb | there's no "why not" |
| 06:52.38 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 06:52.58 | Dhraakellian | move the folder where it's stored to ~/Mail? |
| 06:53.12 | TwinReverb | i want to but there is no setting |
| 06:53.31 | Dhraakellian | there's mv |
| 06:53.41 | Dhraakellian | and see if KMail just picks up on it |
| 06:53.54 | TwinReverb | um, no, i'm not risking destroying my mail |
| 06:54.15 | Dhraakellian | copy it somewhere else then |
| 06:54.24 | Dhraakellian | and then mv it to ~/Mail |
| 06:54.26 | TwinReverb | dude you don't get it |
| 06:54.33 | TwinReverb | i'm not risking destroying my mail |
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| 06:54.43 | TwinReverb | if there is no setting, i am find with it the way it is |
| 06:54.59 | TwinReverb | all i was asking was if there is a setting in kmail |
| 06:55.10 | Dhraakellian | I think KMail will automatically pick up on it if it's in ~/Mail |
| 06:55.15 | TwinReverb | i don't need to move it to ~/Mail anyways |
| 06:55.27 | Dhraakellian | and backing up the directory first means that you can just put it back the way it was |
| 06:55.30 | TwinReverb | and i doubt it because i had some old emails in ~/Mail already that i had forgotten about. those did not show up. |
| 06:55.31 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 06:55.43 | TwinReverb | i had to use the import tool |
| 06:56.08 | Dhraakellian | has old ISP email in ~/Mail |
| 06:56.14 | TwinReverb | and once i imported them, i went back and used fuser to see if KMail was using anything in that directory but it was not |
| 06:56.48 | TwinReverb | a symlink from ~/Mail to where it is in .kde isn't bad but i doubt i'll do that |
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| 07:55.15 | stoned | hi |
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| 08:00.40 | sidh | hello everybody |
| 08:01.19 | sidh | i use xrandr to have dual screen with my laptop and a external screen |
| 08:01.51 | sidh | i use kde 3.5.10 |
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| 08:02.27 | sidh | but i would like to dedicate a kde desktop to the laptop screen |
| 08:02.31 | sidh | is it possible ? |
| 08:03.33 | stoned | what do you eman dedicate |
| 08:04.03 | stoned | sidh, i don't get it |
| 08:04.46 | sidh | stoned: now with my dual screen i can move one app from a screen to anonther because both screen share the same desktop |
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| 08:06.04 | stoned | uhuh |
| 08:06.11 | sidh | what i would like is to make laptop screen belongs to desktop 1 e.g. and the external screen would belongs to other desktop |
| 08:06.25 | stoned | so you have two desktops? |
| 08:06.27 | stoned | what / |
| 08:06.53 | sidh | ok maybe desktop is not the appropriate term |
| 08:06.59 | sidh | sorry i'm not english |
| 08:07.01 | stoned | yes im confused |
| 08:07.04 | stoned | 1 laptop |
| 08:07.10 | stoned | 1 external monitor |
| 08:07.21 | sidh | i mean kde desktop |
| 08:07.23 | stoned | 1 external monitor hooked up to laptop |
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| 08:07.48 | stoned | laptop screen + external monitor == current working config (where you can drag windows across) |
| 08:07.48 | sidh | when you press ctrl+ tab you move from a desktop to another |
| 08:08.06 | stoned | so far am I understanding? |
| 08:08.17 | sidh | that is what i call a desktop |
| 08:08.24 | stoned | now what do you want to do? |
| 08:08.33 | stoned | explain in my terms |
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| 08:09.10 | sidh | for the moment with my current working config |
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| 08:09.13 | stoned | you want laptop screen to be dedicated to laptop and external monitor also hooked up to laptop but dedicated to itself (end result: you can't drag windows across) |
| 08:09.16 | stoned | is this what you want? |
| 08:09.25 | futonrevolutiona | hey all |
| 08:09.32 | sidh | i have my thunderbird on the left (laptop) screen |
| 08:09.41 | stoned | you know |
| 08:09.44 | futonrevolution | I've got a kopete toolbar problem |
| 08:09.46 | stoned | I can't help you if you can't answer my questions. |
| 08:09.46 | sidh | and other apps on the rght (external) |
| 08:09.52 | stoned | you're confusing me evenmore |
| 08:10.00 | stoned | if you want help, try to make it easy for us |
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| 08:10.13 | stoned | don't make it even more complicated |
| 08:10.19 | stoned | and please, learn to answer qeustions |
| 08:10.38 | stoned | I am now irritted and I will leave IRC. Good luck with your problem |
| 08:10.44 | sidh | if i press ctrl + tab, i mova to another "desktop" for both screen |
| 08:10.49 | sidh | oops |
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| 08:11.13 | sidh | sorry stoned : yes you understand what i mean |
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| 08:12.46 | sidh | stoned: sorry i didn't see you asked another question, i was focused on the description of my needs |
| 08:13.38 | sidh | have a nice day |
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| 08:14.32 | elbar | plasma -> javascript-engine broken in trunk? http://rafb.net/p/dABznK49.html |
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| 08:15.12 | aseigo | sidh: you want xinerama or xrandr |
| 08:15.22 | aseigo | sidh: and then kde just adapts to that for you |
| 08:15.40 | aseigo | elbar: svn up kdelibs/plasma/ |
| 08:15.58 | futonrevolution | anyone have kopete expertise? |
| 08:16.26 | elbar | aseigo: soon(tm) =) |
| 08:16.36 | futonrevolution | I disabled the main toolbar, and when I try to enable it again it doesn't show up |
| 08:16.52 | futonrevolution | other ones do, like the search and whatnot |
| 08:16.59 | futonrevolution | this is 3.5.10 by the way |
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| 08:17.16 | sidh | aseigo: now i use xrandr to have dual screen |
| 08:17.52 | aseigo | futonrevolution: neat. sounds like a bug. you could always try removing the kopetewindow.rc file in .kde/share/apps/data/kopeterc when kopete isn't running and see if that helps... or look in the kopeterc for a section on toolbars |
| 08:18.11 | sidh | but as stoned conclude, i need that app on the laptop screen don't cross on the external screen |
| 08:18.13 | aseigo | sidh: great. so you can put different things (panels, etc) on the two screens |
| 08:18.47 | aseigo | kwin should "snap" them to the edges of the screen so it's easy to line them up, and maximizing shouldn't only stay on the one screen |
| 08:18.54 | aseigo | if it doesn't there's a bug somewhere |
| 08:19.17 | Dhraakellian | okay, I just spent *far* too much time on that |
| 08:19.33 | Dhraakellian | making Domino look like Oxygen with the Darkblue-deb color scheme |
| 08:20.05 | Dhraakellian | but the results seem pretty good |
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| 08:24.39 | futonrevolution | aseigo: yeah, it's pretty much a bug, but I fixed it by messing with the kopeterc toolbar section |
| 08:24.41 | futonrevolution | sorry |
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| 08:25.05 | futonrevolution | thanks |
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| 08:30.15 | sidh | aseigo: in kcontrol, there was a "mutiple window" tab in the display section |
| 08:30.46 | sidh | i ticked off an option an restart kde, now this tab has disappeared |
| 08:30.52 | sidh | how to restore it ? |
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| 08:37.53 | sidh | i found this http://pastebin.com/f64f3fdbd |
| 08:38.14 | sidh | this is my startupconfig file |
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| 08:38.34 | sidh | maybe there is something to comment out wut what ? |
| 08:38.42 | sidh | s/wut/but |
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| 08:42.54 | bgmiki | System Setings --> Network Setings --> Network Settings tab = Could not parse the XML file (). ???? |
| 08:44.16 | annma | bgmiki: pardon? |
| 08:44.34 | bgmiki | i get this |
| 08:44.44 | annma | new install? |
| 08:44.51 | bgmiki | yes last night |
| 08:45.21 | annma | what kde version? |
| 08:45.41 | annma | and how did you install |
| 08:45.42 | bgmiki | Version 4.1.87 (KDE 4.1.87 (KDE 4.2 >= 20090101)) |
| 08:46.17 | bgmiki | maybe i do something wrong |
| 08:46.42 | annma | how did you install this? distro? |
| 08:46.52 | bgmiki | compile from svn |
| 08:46.54 | bgmiki | archlinux |
| 08:47.43 | annma | I also have svn and all is fine in network settings |
| 08:47.49 | annma | did you try a new user? |
| 08:48.06 | bgmiki | no i will try tnx annma |
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| 08:51.21 | Moult | dolphins a little slow once it displays 50+ files. any way to speed it up a little? |
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| 08:52.01 | annma | you mean when it previews? |
| 08:52.34 | axleAx | What would happen if ~/.kde4 was deleted |
| 08:52.56 | annma | you risk losing your mail and some data axleAx |
| 08:52.57 | Moult | axleAx: you lose all your settings |
| 08:53.05 | annma | and also all your settings |
| 08:53.09 | annma | nearly all |
| 08:53.13 | Moult | axleAx: why not try it out? (just rename it temporarily) |
| 08:53.31 | Moult | axleAx: i did it once, but i didn't make a detailed list of all i lost, don't worry it isn't super horrible |
| 08:53.31 | annma | if you use kmail, do not delete .kde4 |
| 08:53.35 | axleAx | But kde will create a new one |
| 08:53.41 | Moult | annma: no previews turned on |
| 08:53.56 | annma | Moult: so what is slow exactly? |
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| 08:54.33 | annma | I opened a folder with 56 files and it displays instantaneously |
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| 08:56.03 | Moult | annma: it "seems" slower, like scrolling is noticably slower whilst browsing to other files is slower too |
| 08:56.21 | Moult | annma: sorry 50 was a bit of an exaggeration, i'm right now in a dir with 100 files |
| 08:57.23 | annma | do you have a nvidia video card? |
| 08:57.28 | Moult | annma: yes |
| 08:57.47 | Moult | annma: window resizing is also laggy, but i think that is a known issue (any updates on that btw?) |
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| 08:58.28 | annma | you need latest driver to improve things |
| 08:58.50 | annma | refer to userbase.kde.org which has some tips for video cards |
| 08:59.00 | Moult | annma: i am using the latest driver, it's very usable, the only thing is resizing which is slightly noticable |
| 08:59.47 | annma | well then it's not very usable Moult |
| 09:00.04 | Moult | annma: other than resizing windows ;) |
| 09:00.08 | annma | I can only point you to userbase to check if you have all settings possible OK |
| 09:00.22 | aseigo | Moult: which version of kde? 4.1? |
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| 09:01.10 | aseigo | Moult: it's faster in 4.2 compared to 4.1, but whether or not you'll notice depends on a number of variables (not everyone / every system is affect equally by all issues) |
| 09:01.41 | Moult | aseigo: i'm running 4.1.87 |
| 09:01.49 | aseigo | crappy |
| 09:01.51 | Moult | aseigo: the snapshots |
| 09:02.07 | aseigo | ah... ok, those (hopefully) aren't release builds then |
| 09:02.24 | Moult | aseigo: i think it's a week or so behind svn |
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| 09:02.31 | aseigo | (hopefully, i say, because snapshots should be built so that we can get reasonable backtraces and debug output on konsole from them) |
| 09:02.51 | aseigo | and that considerably slows certain things down, fileviews being one of them |
| 09:03.38 | aseigo | notes that he's always surprised by how much faster kde is on other people's machines, and then usually remembers a second or two later that he runs full debug builds and they have optimized compiles installed ;) |
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| 09:03.57 | Moult | is this the relevant userbase page? http://userbase.kde.org/GPU-Performance |
| 09:04.28 | aseigo | yer |
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| 09:09.05 | Moult | ouch kwin crash |
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| 09:19.17 | sidh | ok i can get back with my "multiple monitors" tab in "Periphérals -> Display" of kcontrol |
| 09:20.41 | sidh | but i still can move a window from one screen to another and i don't want that |
| 09:21.29 | sidh | i would like that screen 1 is desktop 1 and screen 2 is desktop 2,3,4 (e.g.) |
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| 09:28.19 | analyzer | hi all |
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| 09:31.09 | dstambou | is there a cpufreq applet (shows / allows you to alter cpu speed) for kde4? |
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| 09:32.06 | annma | you can see CPU usage in an applet |
| 09:32.35 | dstambou | annma: aye, I saw that, it's more the alter part that I'm after :) |
| 09:33.21 | annma | never altered CPU |
| 09:33.27 | naught101 | where can I set KDEDIR permanently? |
| 09:33.57 | dstambou | annma: it's useful for a laptop! |
| 09:34.05 | annma | I have a laptop |
| 09:34.20 | annma | you mean for using less battery? |
| 09:34.34 | dstambou | annma: for less battery, yes, sometimes to not use the fan, etc. |
| 09:34.38 | dstambou | sometimes don't need full speed |
| 09:34.44 | annma | so you are after PowerDevil |
| 09:35.00 | annma | my laptop doe snot seem to let me alter processors |
| 09:35.11 | dstambou | annma: not really, just a simple interface to cpufreq :) |
| 09:35.12 | annma | but I see an option in PowerDevil |
| 09:35.18 | annma | really? |
| 09:35.46 | annma | you set up a profile and switch to it when needed |
| 09:36.24 | dstambou | annma: ah, maybe that's behind the "More" button, which crashes kcmshell when I run it hehe |
| 09:36.36 | annma | oh too bad for you |
| 09:36.52 | annma | I love this PowerDevil stuff |
| 09:37.07 | dstambou | annma: how is it different from klaptopwhatever kde3 had? |
| 09:37.27 | annma | I never used klpatopwhatever while I use PowerDeviil |
| 09:37.48 | annma | PowerDevil is intuitive and smart in my opinion |
| 09:37.54 | dstambou | annma: you are odd for a laptop user! I always try to squeeze the last bit of battery of mine |
| 09:37.59 | annma | accessed through the battery applet |
| 09:38.25 | annma | dstambou: when you build all day you suck power anyway |
| 09:38.40 | annma | my last laptop could not stand it in fact |
| 09:38.56 | annma | it heated so much it powered off |
| 09:39.01 | dstambou | ah fair enough, I tend to use mine at uni and on the run more than at home. When I'm at home I dock it (and then I don't mind about cpu and power and such) |
| 09:39.02 | dstambou | annma: ouch |
| 09:39.06 | dstambou | at least it didn't melt! |
| 09:39.20 | annma | I got rid of it before it was damaged ;) |
| 09:39.53 | dstambou | annma: probably a wise move - I see a fray in my laptop power cord, and now I begin to worry :o |
| 09:39.59 | annma | I dim the screen mainly to save battery |
| 09:40.07 | annma | ;) |
| 09:40.18 | dstambou | annma: yes, me too, and also sometimes wireless off if I can live with it off |
| 09:40.32 | annma | does it really make a difference? |
| 09:41.08 | dstambou | and make sure beagle and those evil indexing programs are off |
| 09:41.09 | dstambou | annma: can double my battery life |
| 09:41.09 | dstambou | annma: which is pretty good! |
| 09:41.18 | dstambou | annma: I think you can more than halve power use with dim screen/wireless off/low cpu |
| 09:41.30 | annma | wow |
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| 09:46.11 | Bou | annma: I finally managed to compile l10n-fr after your yesterday fix :) |
| 09:47.34 | Bou | annma: what is weird is that after changing language to fr in preferences, everything was in french except the kicker menu. I had to restart my computer to have the kicker menu in french too |
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| 09:50.58 | Dhraakellian | hmm... do the 4.2 betas allow for per-desktop wallpapers? |
| 09:52.38 | Kame2 | Dhraakellian: yes, but there is no gui for it |
| 09:52.45 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 09:53.07 | Dhraakellian | and a separate slideshow on each desktop? |
| 09:53.24 | Dhraakellian | how hard is it to set up via config files? |
| 09:53.51 | Dhraakellian | using 4.1.3 now, and I can't tell at a glance which desktop I'm on |
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| 09:54.22 | Kame2 | i think it's just one line in the plasmarc. but don't know exactly |
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| 09:54.54 | Dhraakellian | do you know if a GUI for it is expected by the RC or final release? |
| 09:54.59 | annma | Bou: that's weird |
| 09:56.26 | Dhraakellian | has his desktop wallpapers somewhat color-coded |
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| 09:56.58 | Bou | annma: actually i see now that there is a message when changing of language saying that only newly launched application will benefit of it, and that login out/in was necessary to apply it everywhere |
| 09:57.15 | Dhraakellian | and now it is time for me to have been in bed |
| 09:57.22 | Dhraakellian | g'night/morning, all |
| 09:57.30 | Kame2 | Dhraakellian: it is planed for 4.3 |
| 09:57.32 | Bou | night |
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| 09:58.29 | Dhraakellian | ah, okay |
| 09:58.41 | Dhraakellian | so perhaps I'll look into trying out the betas tomorrow |
| 09:58.44 | Dhraakellian | ...perhaps |
| 09:58.50 | Dhraakellian | sleepnow |
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| 10:22.00 | aRahim | hi guys, i am usinf fedora 9 with kde 4.1 but it does not save my screen resolution settings |
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| 10:25.32 | Pconfig | maybe it has something to do with your xorg configuration? |
| 10:25.55 | aRahim | no its kde 4 specific |
| 10:26.32 | aRahim | when i click Display it changes to the right reso but when i log out and log in it changes back to defaults one |
| 10:27.47 | Pconfig | odd, well i don't know enough about kde to help you :) |
| 10:28.10 | Jucato | have you tried asking in #fedora or #fedora-kde ? |
| 10:28.25 | aRahim | this is my problem http://forum.kde.org/kde-does-not-save-screen-resolution-t-11761.html |
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| 10:29.37 | Pconfig | seems it ain't distro related then, as he used kubuntu |
| 10:29.59 | Pconfig | what driver are you using? |
| 10:30.15 | Jucato | hm.. he said using fedora... |
| 10:30.40 | Pconfig | yes, but on the forums there's someone with the same problem using kubuntu |
| 10:30.43 | aRahim | intel 845 |
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| 10:31.09 | Kame2 | aRahim: start krandr |
| 10:31.30 | aRahim | ok |
| 10:31.35 | aRahim | then what |
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| 10:31.43 | Kame2 | than select your solution |
| 10:31.49 | Kame2 | +re |
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| 10:32.30 | aRahim | i already tried it but it changes again :( |
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| 10:36.04 | Kame2 | isn't there a distribution-tool to set resolution system-wide? |
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| 11:02.50 | andrei_mihaila | hi all |
| 11:03.24 | andrei_mihaila | I'm using kde-4.1.87 on gentoo |
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| 11:03.40 | Kanniball | hi! |
| 11:03.50 | andrei_mihaila | and global keyboard shortcuts don't work |
| 11:04.10 | andrei_mihaila | (no alt+tab, no alt+f4... etc) |
| 11:04.30 | andrei_mihaila | I have 2 boxes, one is x86 the other is amd64 |
| 11:04.46 | andrei_mihaila | on the first one they work ok, on the latter they don't |
| 11:05.15 | andrei_mihaila | I was hoping for some hint from you |
| 11:05.59 | andrei_mihaila | I've tried fixes found on the web but they didn't work for me |
| 11:06.29 | andrei_mihaila | it seems the kdedglobalaccel is not loaded on my box |
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| 11:06.52 | andrei_mihaila | and dbus org.kde.kded /kded loadModule kdedglobalaccel returns false |
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| 11:07.32 | Kanniball | I can't see subtitles (srt) in dragon player, using kubuntu 8.10 and Fedora 9. BEGIN: void Codeine::VideoWindow::setSubtitle(int) using index: -1 returned desc has index: -1 |
| 11:08.43 | Kanniball | another weird thing, is that I have "amarok :" in the beggining of lines when run dragon with --debug |
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| 11:24.11 | myeggo | hello |
| 11:24.14 | myeggo | what is your favourite bittorrent client? |
| 11:24.17 | myeggo | ktorrent? |
| 11:26.50 | gavlee | ktorrent ftw! :) |
| 11:27.29 | GNU\colossus | \o |
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| 11:29.05 | mfilipe | will the kde project release a kde3 version? .11? |
| 11:29.49 | annma | mfilipe: what would you want it for? |
| 11:30.28 | GNU\colossus | i'd like to see it fix three bugs I'm about to report ;) |
| 11:30.48 | annma | what apps? |
| 11:31.01 | GNU\colossus | (two konqueror crashes, one jpeg decoder kpart(?) crash |
| 11:31.05 | mfilipe | annma: since the kde3.5.10 release the branch get many patches |
| 11:31.21 | annma | mfilipe: really? |
| 11:31.28 | mfilipe | annma: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/ |
| 11:31.51 | annma | GNU\colossus: what about the konq crashes, let's check if kde4 solves them |
| 11:32.20 | annma | mfilipe: I don't see many patches here |
| 11:32.37 | annma | most modules have not been touched in 4 months |
| 11:33.08 | mfilipe | annma: but the kde3.5.10 was released in 6 months |
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| 11:34.08 | annma | your distro can apply the patches if it wants |
| 11:34.18 | annma | distros do that usually |
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| 11:34.43 | annma | GNU\colossus: can you tell me about 1st konq crash please? |
| 11:35.01 | GNU\colossus | annma: do you have an ebay account? |
| 11:35.16 | GNU\colossus | (ebay crashes konqui under certain circumstances) |
| 11:35.17 | annma | ah no |
| 11:35.27 | mfilipe | annma: do you know if opensuse does this? |
| 11:35.34 | annma | do you have a good backtrace with debug symbols? |
| 11:35.40 | annma | mfilipe: ask them |
| 11:35.46 | GNU\colossus | annma: I'm about to generate one |
| 11:35.49 | GNU\colossus | (and file the bug right now) |
| 11:35.51 | annma | most opensuse devels are KDEs |
| 11:38.50 | annma | I have a bug report for one of my app with useless backtrace, no distrib or version specified and no steps to reproduce |
| 11:39.22 | annma | already asked twice for more precisions |
| 11:39.53 | annma | a good backtrace is compulsory in a crash |
| 11:40.42 | GNU\colossus | annma: it doesn't surprise me that it has been hit by someone else already: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172557 |
| 11:41.43 | annma | can you test the patch by any chance? |
| 11:41.57 | annma | the backtrace in the report is very good, from Raul |
| 11:42.27 | annma | the patch is one line |
| 11:42.33 | annma | if you have sources GNU\colossus |
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| 11:47.58 | Pconfig | hey, i've got crash in the plasma weatherstation widget from trunk but i can't seem to get a good backtrace |
| 11:48.22 | Pconfig | the backtrace get's lost in QT libraries although i just intalled libqt4-dbg |
| 11:48.39 | Pconfig | or do i need to rebuild everything after i installed the qt debugging symbols? |
| 11:48.47 | annma | Pconfig: tell me what kde4 version and how does it crash |
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| 11:49.00 | annma | is it the <lcd weather applet<? |
| 11:49.04 | GNU\colossus | what's the component of KD responsible for rendering JPEG images in KDE 3.5? |
| 11:49.09 | GNU\colossus | KDE* |
| 11:49.14 | Pconfig | i've got the trunk version from yesterday en yes it's the lcd weather applet |
| 11:49.29 | annma | Pconfig: tell me how to reproduce |
| 11:49.32 | pinotree | GNU\colossus: what is your bug? |
| 11:49.35 | annma | do you have qt-copy? |
| 11:49.55 | Pconfig | after i added a city to it, close the settings panel en then move my mouse over it, plasme crashes |
| 11:50.02 | GNU\colossus | pinotree: http://coloss.us.to/kpart_crash.jpg - crashes (KDE 3.5.10) Konqueror, Gwenview et al, possibly due to malformed EXIF data |
| 11:50.26 | annma | Pconfig: does it do it with other widgets as Twitter? |
| 11:50.40 | pinotree | GNU\colossus: gwenview does not crash |
| 11:50.54 | GNU\colossus | pinotree: well it does here |
| 11:50.59 | Pconfig | annma, wait a second, i'll switch to my trunk session ;) |
| 11:51.05 | GNU\colossus | Qt: 3.3.8b |
| 11:51.07 | GNU\colossus | KDE: 3.5.10 |
| 11:51.08 | GNU\colossus | Gwenview: 1.4.2 |
| 11:51.09 | pinotree | not even konqueror with its embedded image viewer |
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| 11:51.22 | GNU\colossus | pinotree: what version are you running? what arch? |
| 11:51.25 | annma | Pconfig: no such crash here |
| 11:51.28 | pinotree | same as you |
| 11:51.42 | GNU\colossus | on an amd64 host? |
| 11:52.03 | pinotree | can you please run `gwenview thatfile.jpg` and pastebin the backtrace? |
| 11:52.10 | annma | GNU\colossus: no crash on trunk konq |
| 11:52.27 | GNU\colossus | pinotree, annma: do you have parsing of exif data enabled? |
| 11:52.36 | pinotree | GNU\colossus: please get a backtrace |
| 11:52.50 | GNU\colossus | yeah I'm asking because the bt suggests that is the problem |
| 11:53.04 | Pconfig | annma: I don't have a twitter account actually :p |
| 11:53.19 | annma | Pconfig: do you use qt-copy? |
| 11:53.37 | annma | Pconfig: I can't reproduce |
| 11:53.38 | GNU\colossus | annma: pinotree: http://pasted.at/a9c6bdb3a9.html |
| 11:53.43 | Pconfig | annma: let me find out what it is (pretty now here :)) |
| 11:53.50 | annma | I worked on this applet recently Pconfig |
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| 11:54.06 | pinotree | which version of exiv2? |
| 11:54.28 | Pconfig | annma: i meant what qt-copy is :P |
| 11:54.30 | GNU\colossus | 0.17.1 |
| 11:54.45 | pinotree | same |
| 11:55.53 | annma | Pconfig: how do you build trunk? with a distro? |
| 11:56.02 | annma | qt-copy is qt with patches |
| 11:56.11 | Pconfig | annma: i'm running kubuntu |
| 11:56.17 | annma | 1 of these patches fixes a focus event in qt |
| 11:56.25 | annma | your trunk is from kubuntu? |
| 11:56.41 | annma | you said trunk from yesterday |
| 11:56.43 | Pconfig | i got it from svn but built it on kubuntu |
| 11:56.53 | annma | so you build it manually? |
| 11:56.56 | Pconfig | yes :) |
| 11:57.04 | annma | so, do you build qt-copy? |
| 11:57.17 | Pconfig | no |
| 11:57.24 | annma | so that would fixe it |
| 11:57.36 | annma | if you had qt-copy you wouldn't have your crash |
| 11:57.41 | Pconfig | ok |
| 11:57.46 | Pconfig | let me try to build qt-copy then |
| 11:57.57 | annma | you need to rebuild everything afterwards |
| 11:58.03 | annma | and apply patches in qt-copy |
| 11:58.17 | annma | as said in the README.qt-copy |
| 11:58.35 | Pconfig | ok, i'll do my best :) |
| 11:58.37 | annma | also build in debug mode to get backtrace |
| 11:58.37 | Pconfig | thanks |
| 11:58.50 | annma | if you want to report stuff you need to build with debug |
| 11:58.56 | Pconfig | i noticed |
| 11:59.19 | annma | I couls have told you 100% if it was the focus bug or not if you had the bt |
| 11:59.30 | annma | I nearly know the bt by heart |
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| 12:01.31 | Pconfig | http://pastebin.com/d377ee81c |
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| 12:01.40 | Pconfig | this is my current backtrace, probably of none value |
| 12:02.20 | annma | yes, nothing from qt which is where it all happens |
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| 12:02.51 | Pconfig | getting qt-copy now |
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| 12:03.02 | Pconfig | will take me some time to figure it all out and rebuild everything :) |
| 12:03.12 | Pconfig | what parts of kde do i need to rebuild? |
| 12:04.38 | pinotree | none |
| 12:04.38 | Pconfig | [12:57] <annma> you need to rebuild everything afterwards |
| 12:05.11 | pinotree | there should be no need to rebuild everything |
| 12:05.40 | annma | not everything but kdeplasma-addons |
| 12:05.49 | pinotree | not even |
| 12:05.56 | annma | anyway I was looking for the bt but as the bugs are closed I can't find one |
| 12:05.59 | annma | no? |
| 12:06.02 | annma | no then |
| 12:06.08 | Pconfig | ^^ |
| 12:06.57 | annma | Pconfig: in the meantime, try something please |
| 12:07.17 | annma | close your LCD applet and readd it then configure it with the configure icon in the handle |
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| 12:07.21 | annma | NOT with the button |
| 12:07.32 | annma | tell me if the crash is still there please |
| 12:07.32 | Pconfig | ok |
| 12:08.33 | Pconfig | that works |
| 12:08.52 | annma | yes so I was right |
| 12:09.15 | Pconfig | so when i'd compile qt-copy with patches applied |
| 12:09.15 | annma | see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178140 |
| 12:09.20 | Pconfig | everrything should be ok? |
| 12:09.26 | annma | yes it'll be fixed, see link I pasted |
| 12:09.52 | annma | the crash happens with the configure button without the qt-copy patch, all widgets with such a button crash the same |
| 12:10.24 | Pconfig | ok, that's nice :) |
| 12:10.26 | Pconfig | thanks |
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| 12:11.59 | annma | it says sun but it's snowing |
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| 12:13.28 | Pconfig | hehe :P |
| 12:13.37 | Pconfig | sun is shining over here |
| 12:13.43 | Bou | lucky you |
| 12:13.54 | Pconfig | it's -5 or something though |
| 12:13.58 | annma | Bou: where do you live? |
| 12:14.09 | Bou | annma: Paris, pretty cold today |
| 12:14.13 | annma | oh |
| 12:14.24 | annma | my daughter is heading to Paris right now |
| 12:14.31 | Bou | obligated to work from bedroom, rest of the flat is too cold =) |
| 12:14.36 | Pconfig | if i build qt-copy will it overwrite my current qt installation? |
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| 12:14.49 | annma | Pconfig: install it in $KDEDIR |
| 12:14.57 | annma | set QTDIR before |
| 12:14.58 | Bou | annma: teel her to get a good pull-over and warm shoes. there is also snow |
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| 12:15.11 | annma | Bou: she is heading for Brazil though |
| 12:15.19 | Pconfig | annma: in the configure line, right? |
| 12:15.36 | Bou | pff ;) |
| 12:15.40 | annma | Pconfig: as prefix |
| 12:15.52 | annma | and then in your .bashrc |
| 12:16.05 | annma | I don't install qt myself |
| 12:16.40 | Pconfig | so how did you get qt-copy then? |
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| 12:17.29 | annma | I point to the src dir |
| 12:17.41 | annma | the src dir is the install dir in a sense |
| 12:18.06 | annma | hopes pinotree does not read this garbage |
| 12:18.27 | pinotree | hugs annma |
| 12:18.33 | annma | :) |
| 12:18.40 | Pconfig | anyway, i need to go now, will try to get qt-copy running later today, thanks for the help! |
| 12:18.50 | annma | ok, bye! |
| 12:20.30 | Bou | annma: do you still use the twitter plasmoid? |
| 12:20.40 | annma | yes |
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| 12:20.55 | Bou | can you check this: |
| 12:20.57 | annma | I was trying to get it show the dates but this seems quite difficult |
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| 12:21.24 | Bou | change the display of desktop so that it displays a folder view instead of "desktop" |
| 12:21.35 | Bou | then chnage back to "desktop" view |
| 12:21.47 | Bou | in my case, plasmoids were changed of location |
| 12:22.12 | Bou | and now, i can move then , but if i click again anywhere on desktop, they are moved around :S |
| 12:22.41 | annma | I changed to folder then I am back to desktop |
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| 12:22.55 | Bou | did the widget change of place? |
| 12:23.32 | annma | well all widgets were "côte à côte" |
| 12:23.47 | annma | I put Twitter farther and yes, it changed |
| 12:23.51 | Bou | if you move them now, do they stay where you put them? |
| 12:24.08 | annma | lol no!!! |
| 12:24.22 | Bou | in my case, if I move them, after one second, they move to another place |
| 12:24.23 | annma | I think there is a bug report on that but I am not sure |
| 12:24.30 | annma | yes |
| 12:24.36 | annma | for me too they move |
| 12:24.40 | Bou | ok |
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| 12:25.52 | annma | someone tried to explain me that thing before Christmas and I had trouble to understand what he means |
| 12:27.14 | Bou | it's easier to understand english from french to french I guess ^^ |
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| 13:53.15 | MrRat | xenol: If you have support in your kernel/system and setup powerdevil function, it shows in menu |
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| 13:54.13 | MrRat | xenol: in the "leave" section along with logout/shutdown etc.. |
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| 14:00.00 | leszek | hi |
| 14:00.31 | Mirrakor | hi |
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| 14:05.14 | lenscape | konqueror crashes on ebay. Just click My Ebay |
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| 14:06.44 | Pconfig | [12:35] <GNU\colossus> (ebay crashes konqui under certain circumstances) |
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| 14:11.09 | Pconfig | lenscape, it doesn't crash for me |
| 14:11.22 | Pconfig | not with 4.2 beta and not with svn |
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| 14:11.39 | lenscape | 3.5.9 here |
| 14:12.14 | Pconfig | oh, got now quick to test that one, sorry :) |
| 14:12.18 | Pconfig | no* |
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| 14:12.55 | lenscape | no worries. Trying Opera instead. Found a stupid bug in ebay and want to check it isn't a browser issue |
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| 14:15.29 | lenscape | nope. Stupid ebay. You can't enter a discount (-ve) only a surcharge (+v) when you send an invoice. |
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| 14:15.36 | lenscape | god, I hate ebay. |
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| 14:18.41 | k4_ | hi |
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| 14:18.47 | k4_ | i have a usability question |
| 14:19.02 | k4_ | how do i get rid of all the gnome program's in the kde4 menu ? |
| 14:19.15 | k4_ | (kde clasic menu) |
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| 14:19.34 | pinotree | edit your menu and remove them |
| 14:19.42 | k4_ | by hand ? |
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| 14:19.58 | pinotree | yes |
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| 14:20.14 | k4_ | no these are hundred's |
| 14:20.31 | k4_ | i want to do other thing's this afternoon |
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| 14:20.57 | xenol | MrRat: i got it in powerdevil, in kernel, i can suspend/hibernate from console, but in Leave, there is small white triangle. i dont know how to display that option |
| 14:21.06 | xenol | if i click on it, then i will shutdown my lappy |
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| 14:22.04 | pinotree | even if you click and hold it pressed fr a couple of seconds? it should display a menu, if what you say (about the triangle) is true |
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| 14:27.55 | xenol | pinotree: i guess so, will try in few mins |
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| 14:29.45 | pasteles | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.45 | pasteles | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.45 | pasteles | follow the steps but i have this error when run this command: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` . |
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| 14:30.07 | pasteles | i use kde 4.1.3 |
| 14:30.37 | tomaz | pasteles: are you super user? |
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| 14:30.54 | pasteles | no |
| 14:31.01 | tomaz | you should be |
| 14:31.04 | tomaz | what distro do you use? |
| 14:31.08 | pasteles | debian |
| 14:31.24 | tomaz | put a `sudo` before the command |
| 14:31.33 | tomaz | and check if you have CMake installed too, ;) |
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| 14:32.03 | pasteles | i haven't sudo, but i can login su |
| 14:32.20 | tomaz | debian doesn`t have sudo? o.O |
| 14:32.45 | pasteles | i haven't installed |
| 14:32.47 | tomaz | yah, you need to use superuser to install somewhere that`s not in your user permissions. |
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| 14:33.17 | pasteles | sorry for my poor english |
| 14:33.50 | pasteles | i have the same error with my user and superuser |
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| 14:34.28 | tomaz | and, what`s exactly the error? |
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| 14:36.14 | pasteles | this ---> http://pastebin.com/m21cb8a9c |
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| 14:44.56 | cassiopea | Hey. I'm having some trouble burning a dvd in k3b. When I go to the burn window, where the burning device is selected it just says "Please insert blank .. medium", even though KDE detects the blank dvd when I insert it and gives me the option to open k3b and burn a disc. I've checked in k3b's setup, under the devices section it correctly identifies my dvd rw drive. What could be the problem? |
| 14:45.07 | Devil_Inside | did plasma in KDE 4.1 support two monitors with separate desktops...? |
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| 14:45.43 | tomaz | pasteles: FindKDE4Internal.cmake |
| 14:45.52 | tomaz | you don`t have the kde4 devel package |
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| 14:46.21 | cb400f | cassiopea: which distro? |
| 14:47.03 | cb400f | Devil_Inside: afaik no |
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| 14:47.12 | cassiopea | cb400f, gentoo, I've asked in #gentoo, but didn't get a response, I was hoping this might be something you guys could help with |
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| 14:47.43 | cb400f | ok.. I thought you may be using openSUSE 11.1.. which has some cd burning permission problems |
| 14:47.59 | cassiopea | cb400f, no, I've tried as root as well |
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| 15:10.59 | victorlf | Is it normal that kde 4.1.3 makes X use more than 40% cpu all the time?? (2GHz core duo) |
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| 15:11.51 | thiago_home | victorlf: yes, if you're not using a decent driver |
| 15:11.55 | thiago_home | which one are you using? |
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| 15:12.12 | victorlf | nvidia privative |
| 15:12.28 | thiago_home | which version? |
| 15:12.45 | victorlf | 177.82 |
| 15:13.03 | k4_ | i got 180.16 , and it 50% faster in kde4 |
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| 15:13.17 | thiago_home | 177.82 works fine here, but I'm using trunk |
| 15:13.29 | thiago_home | I suggest you upgrade to 4.1.4 or (preferrably), 4.2 beta |
| 15:13.56 | victorlf | ok, I'll get an overlay, because they are not yet in gentoo's portage |
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| 15:14.19 | victorlf | (although a friend said he had problems compiling it) |
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| 15:20.13 | Hetfield | with kd4 and glxgear i get 6000 while kde3 i got 10k |
| 15:20.18 | Hetfield | mmm quite weird |
| 15:20.23 | Hetfield | guess it's the composite |
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| 15:24.00 | xxploit | Im using the classic style menu in kde 4.2 beta and was wondering if its possible to remove the favorites menu, any suggestions? |
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| 15:28.43 | victorlf | In kde 4.1.3, (gentoo), is there some way of adding application buttons (like a firefox button) to the panel? I've recently installed kubuntu and I could do it, but can't find the way in gentoo. Is there some special package or something? |
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| 15:31.28 | spawn57 | xxploit: I think it's possible, right click the menu and select "application launcher menu settings", and in the window that pops up, change view to "applications" ..you'll only see applications that way |
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| 15:36.34 | elbar | victorlf, open the main menu...search for your app...right click on the app (name/icon) and add to panel |
| 15:37.09 | elbar | victorlf, you maybe need to unlock widgets |
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| 15:47.16 | victorlf | elbar: right click opens the app |
| 15:47.48 | eggy_ | Hello, in kde3 I had konq-plugins installed, and when I was on a website with rss feeds, an icon at the bottom appear with which I could add the feed to akregator. This seems to have disappeared in kde4, while I do have konq-plugins installed. How do I add feeds to akregator in konqueror? |
| 15:48.27 | elbar | victorlf, not here...maybe you have configured it that way? |
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| 15:49.27 | victorlf | elbar: got it now, it's because I was using classic view of launcher |
| 15:49.45 | victorlf | elbar: thanks a LOT, i was thinking of getting gnome... xD |
| 15:49.52 | elbar | victorlf, ah ok....classic = old = not good :P |
| 15:50.02 | pinotree | eggy_: is the plugin enabled? (see konqueror Settings â Configure Extensions) |
| 15:50.42 | eggy_ | pinotree: ooh I see. No, it only lists the 'text-to-speech' plugin |
| 15:51.11 | pinotree | eggy_: then you don't have the extra plugins for kde4's konqueror |
| 15:52.07 | eggy_ | pinotree: ah. I run debian unstable with packages from experimental, and I have version Version: 4:3.5.9-2 of konq-plugins. Apparently, I need some other package |
| 15:52.23 | pinotree | i think so, best ask in #debian-kde |
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| 15:53.02 | eggy_ | pinotree: ok, thanks |
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| 16:15.05 | MrRat | Is there a way to make kmenu display actual names instead of descriptions? |
| 16:15.48 | k4_ | yes |
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| 16:17.42 | thiago | that usually implies telling him how :-) |
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| 16:20.01 | pinotree | MrRat: right click on the kmenu button, launcher configuration, in the options there |
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| 16:23.17 | MrRat | ok i dont see any option like that there |
| 16:23.30 | MrRat | i see General and keyboard shortcut |
| 16:23.51 | MrRat | under General i only have switch tabs on hover |
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| 16:26.02 | MrRat | Is this a distro specific build issue? or am I blind? |
| 16:26.15 | annma | no I don't have it either |
| 16:26.23 | annma | and I have real vanilla true KDE |
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| 16:26.38 | MrRat | i like to think i do too annma :) |
| 16:26.43 | annma | lol |
| 16:26.49 | annma | Classic mebu has it |
| 16:26.52 | annma | menu |
| 16:26.59 | annma | mebu sounds like I have a cold |
| 16:28.18 | MrRat | ah ok, thanks, classic menu does have it |
| 16:29.48 | annma | Classic menu config in French is too wide |
| 16:30.14 | tampakrap | switch to greek it's wider |
| 16:30.39 | annma | ohh |
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| 16:30.45 | Vonor | hi |
| 16:31.40 | Vonor | does the krdc program bring a server with it too? |
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| 16:37.58 | elbar | wild guess..try krfb |
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| 16:40.04 | Vonor | wooha, this krfb is pretty slow :D |
| 16:40.34 | tstaerk | Vonor, what do you want to do? |
| 16:41.26 | Vonor | working on my moms computer. need to see her desktop quite often to tell her what to do |
| 16:41.41 | tstaerk | annma, my wife loves khangman and kanagram! |
| 16:41.54 | annma | :) nice, thanks! |
| 16:42.27 | tstaerk | you know it is in the 2nd level of the top menu of a Dell netbook? |
| 16:42.50 | tstaerk | so, Education -> KHangman |
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| 16:42.56 | Tanktalus | argh - kde 4.2 keeps blanking the screen if I don't touch anything for about 30-60 seconds ... (e.g., reading a website, watching a youtube vid) ... and I can't figure out how to get it to stop :-( |
| 16:43.32 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, have you tried the kommand systemsettings? |
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| 16:43.58 | thiago | xset -dpms |
| 16:44.10 | Tanktalus | tstaerk: as far as I can tell, my systemsettings say no screen saver and no power management... |
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| 16:44.57 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, then try thiago's hint |
| 16:45.07 | Tanktalus | dpms was already disabled it seems... |
| 16:45.18 | thiago | xset s 0 |
| 16:45.53 | Tanktalus | ok, I'll try that and see if it makes a difference, thiago - thanks. Though I think that's a bug somewhere in systemsettings ;-) |
| 16:46.10 | annma | wow tstaerk |
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| 16:47.01 | tstaerk | annma, that is the best menu usability I have ever seen under Linux |
| 16:47.34 | annma | is it a custom distro? |
| 16:48.05 | tstaerk | no, Ubuntu 8.04 with a deb dell-launcher |
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| 17:05.08 | mofg | Would anyone know why there are no screen saver listed in screen saver settings? |
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| 17:06.32 | thiago | do you have any screensavers installed? |
| 17:07.30 | mofg | Yes kscreensaver, xscreensaver and anything else I could find that has to do with screen saver |
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| 17:09.45 | mofg | thiago A screen screen saver will start at the time I have set but they are random and there is no list to choose from |
| 17:10.00 | gavlee | mofg: is this on Gentoo? i think i had this problem before |
| 17:10.24 | mofg | gavlee Suse 11.1 |
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| 17:10.45 | mofg | KDE 3.5 |
| 17:11.31 | mofg | I found forum thread but know real fix |
| 17:12.04 | ldolezal | hi, do you know where ever is some configuration of kde4 (resp. 4.2 from project-neon).. because i can't get out with blue plasna panel (with oxygen theme) and blue windows shadow :( |
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| 17:12.47 | gavlee | mofg: i've not used Suse for a while and i was on kde4 when i had that issue. probably something different, no idea :( |
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| 17:13.10 | karthikp | Can someone explain what's the difference between "Texture From Pixmap", "Shared Memory" and "Fallback" in the desktop effects advanced settings? |
| 17:13.12 | mofg | gavlee thanks |
| 17:13.35 | mofg | this is a strange one |
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| 17:13.59 | karthikp | The texture filter has helpful hints regarding which one to use, but the opengl mode drop box has no hints. |
| 17:15.20 | ldolezal | simply, I have created new user, first log in to kde neon, but there is strange blue panel (and without opacity but kwin-compositing is running) and blue shadows around active windows (but in shadow effect is black color) |
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| 17:29.20 | SimAtWork | what's a good djvu viewer for kde? |
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| 17:29.27 | SimAtWork | or are there any? |
| 17:29.32 | SimAtWork | kde 3.5 or 4.1.x |
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| 17:30.24 | pinotree | SimAtWork: okular for kde 4 |
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| 17:36.56 | SimAtWork | pinotree: okular says it can't open it |
| 17:37.23 | pinotree | SimAtWork: how did you install okular? distro packages or self-compiled? |
| 17:37.31 | SimAtWork | pinotree: gentoo |
| 17:37.54 | pinotree | SimAtWork: #gentoo-kde, asking for ways to enable the djvu support in okular |
| 17:38.04 | SimAtWork | pinotree: i think i just figured it out |
| 17:38.08 | SimAtWork | there is a djvu use flag for okular |
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| 17:39.41 | SimAtWork | i wonder what the htmlhandbook use flag would do |
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| 17:43.57 | SimAtWork | wow |
| 17:44.00 | MrRat | SimAtWork: heh, its quite self explainatory |
| 17:44.02 | SimAtWork | okular supports a LOT of formats. |
| 17:44.18 | MrRat | SimAtWork: but euse -i htmlhandbook if you must see |
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| 17:44.40 | SimAtWork | what is euse ? |
| 17:44.44 | pinotree | SimAtWork: http://okular.kde.org/formats.php, to be precise |
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| 17:46.13 | MrRat | SimAtWork: its in gentoolkit, man euse |
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| 17:47.18 | SimAtWork | man, i've learned a bundle today |
| 17:47.19 | SimAtWork | thanks guys |
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| 18:16.07 | kilasmurf | so, i just installed slackware the other night, which comes with everything you need for kde n all that. the only thing is, i cant get to any of the kde settings as user. it ony works as root. what do i have to change permissions to to get this to work correctly? |
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| 18:16.56 | kilasmurf | for example, i went to go to konqueror settings. and it only showed a blank window. |
| 18:17.23 | kilasmurf | same with kcontrol |
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| 18:19.19 | Rushmoom | hey guys |
| 18:19.30 | Rushmoom | my Plasma just broke, in a weird way |
| 18:20.07 | Rushmoom | it feel like there's an invisible layer above all the windows, that misdirects my mouse clicks |
| 18:20.27 | kilasmurf | welcome to the matrix |
| 18:20.33 | Rushmoom | Keyboard interaction is completely normal, but mouse clicks don't do what they're supposed to |
| 18:20.53 | Rushmoom | e.g. trying to close windows results in them being resized, etc.. |
| 18:21.15 | kilasmurf | that doesnt exactly sound like a window manager problem |
| 18:21.17 | Rushmoom | I'm running KDE 4.1.3 on Gentoo |
| 18:21.27 | Rushmoom | Yeah, it might be an X issue |
| 18:21.38 | kilasmurf | especially if you just said your plasma just broke |
| 18:21.46 | Rushmoom | on the other hand, I recently recompiled libplasma |
| 18:22.20 | Rushmoom | hmm.. where would you start to look? |
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| 18:22.43 | kilasmurf | at whatever i changed last |
| 18:22.47 | Rushmoom | :) |
| 18:22.57 | kilasmurf | im no pro though |
| 18:22.59 | Rushmoom | "I didn't change *anything*!!111" |
| 18:23.15 | kilasmurf | you said you just recompiled libplasma 0_o |
| 18:23.22 | Rushmoom | that was irony ;) |
| 18:23.28 | Rushmoom | Well, I recompiled libplasma like 3 hours ago |
| 18:23.53 | Rushmoom | But, it didn't break instantly, and besides that, I couldn't remember chaning anything of relevance |
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| 18:25.45 | Rushmoom | In the display manager (kdm), behaviour also seems normal |
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| 18:26.07 | Rushmoom | (at the graphical login prompt i mean..) |
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| 18:27.54 | Rushmoom | D'oh.. My wireless mouse is the culprit. I thought I checked that o0.. I apologize... |
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| 18:29.50 | jmazo | hi there |
| 18:29.56 | jmazo | I have a development question |
| 18:30.08 | jmazo | right channel or is there a kde-dev channel? |
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| 18:30.20 | neverendingo | #kde-devel |
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| 18:30.34 | jmazo | thanks |
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| 18:41.35 | DarkAdmiral | i wonder why there is no kde4 rc1 released :( |
| 18:41.53 | pinotree | why there should be yet? |
| 18:42.07 | DarkAdmiral | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 |
| 18:42.12 | pinotree | no |
| 18:42.15 | pinotree | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule |
| 18:42.27 | pinotree | this is your only solely trustworthy source |
| 18:42.54 | DarkAdmiral | kk, thx :) |
| 18:43.04 | pinotree | January 13th, 2009: Release KDE 4.2 RC 1 |
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| 18:45.48 | SimAtWork | 13th |
| 18:47.03 | holycow | what is the kde pdf reader? |
| 18:47.11 | holycow | i don't see kpdf around any longer |
| 18:47.19 | pinotree | okular |
| 18:47.24 | holycow | oh! |
| 18:47.26 | holycow | danke |
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| 18:56.08 | PoliticianOLD | Hello everyone, does anyone know if it is possible to display the "global" share ratio (= the sum of all uploads/ the sum of all downloads) (I know this is a simple calculation, but just to not have to calculate)? |
| 18:56.12 | PoliticianOLD | in ktorrent |
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| 18:57.34 | superalex | hi |
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| 18:58.32 | superalex | help |
| 18:58.35 | Tanktalus | argh - kde 4.2 keeps blanking the screen if I don't touch anything for about 30-60 seconds ... (e.g., reading a website, watching a youtube vid) ... and I can't figure out how to get it to stop :-( xset s 0 and xset -dpms both don't do anything... :-( |
| 18:59.35 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, system settings->display -> power control |
| 18:59.50 | Tanktalus | tstaerk: that's currently unchecked. |
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| 19:01.10 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, as far as I understood you, systemsettings-> desktop->screen saver -> start automatically is unchecked as well |
| 19:01.18 | Tanktalus | right |
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| 19:02.12 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, using your user for calling systemsettings? |
| 19:02.21 | Tanktalus | :-P Yes. |
| 19:02.37 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, tested with a freshly installed user? Without KDE? |
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| 19:03.18 | Tanktalus | I only have KDE 4.2 installed - nothing else ;-) (Well, I have some KDE 3.5.10 installed, but not enough to actually bring up). Haven't tried with another user, no. |
| 19:03.34 | Tanktalus | Though I *have* deleted ~/.kde from time to time... :-) |
| 19:04.33 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, try with a new user (useradd -m). If no success, try with a knoppix cd. Deleting .kde may not be enough, there might be /tmp/kde-user, ~/.kde4, ... |
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| 19:05.28 | tstaerk | that is why I recommend a test user. No compromises. |
| 19:05.42 | Tanktalus | Oi... I may be running KDE4.2, but it *is* my primary desktop... rebooting into knoppix would be ... bigger pains. :-) |
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| 19:06.05 | tstaerk | no problem, try a test user first. |
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| 19:09.21 | Pconfig | :p |
| 19:09.54 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, maybe some process is calling xscreensaver. |
| 19:10.25 | Tanktalus | hmmm... that'd be hard to figure out... |
| 19:10.31 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, can you call xscreensaver and see if it does the same as your "blanking" problem ? |
| 19:10.56 | tstaerk | And can you call a ps -A while the screen is blanked? |
| 19:11.06 | Tanktalus | ah... xscreensaver isn't installed. :-) |
| 19:11.30 | Tanktalus | That reduces the likelihood of xscreensaver being called :-) |
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| 19:11.43 | tstaerk | ... to 0% |
| 19:12.37 | tstaerk | s/likelihood/probability |
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| 19:16.40 | chlue | Hello, is there a way to get a one click 'abilitily' to toggle the state of composing from kwin? I normaly use it, but it inteferences with opengl games. (kde4.1.3) |
| 19:17.08 | kilasmurf | anyone on my kde settings as user? |
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| 19:21.21 | drdozer | hi |
| 19:21.37 | drdozer | are there any good tools for manipulating complex kmail filters? |
| 19:22.00 | aseigo | just the dialog that's in kmail itself. |
| 19:22.12 | chlue | ok I found the answer to my question myself. There is a global shortcut (default Shift + Alt + F12) to toggle composing. |
| 19:22.32 | aseigo | chlue: yeah, there's also a plasmoid for that somewhere. look on kde-apps.org perhaps; or maybe it's in playground. somewhere though... |
| 19:22.37 | aseigo | clickety click |
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| 19:23.20 | drdozer | aseigo: ok, thx - I have an inbox with 25k messages in (1.5Gig) and am manually making filters for each mailing list that's still not being filtered out |
| 19:23.38 | drdozer | kmail (since I upgraded to kde 4.?) can't handle this many messages in the inbox |
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| 19:26.26 | drdozer | I've got a laptop and a desktop - is there a utility that will let me sync (some of) my home and kde settings between the two? |
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| 19:26.38 | drdozer | synchronize, not client/server |
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| 19:28.25 | kilasmurf | anyone... bueller? |
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| 19:36.32 | chlue | drdozer: on a file basis? Them http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Komparator?content=33545 might be something for you. |
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| 19:38.23 | drdozer | chlue: thanks - that may do some of it - but I wouldn't know how to set it up to mirror the *right* bits of .kde and other 'magic' directories |
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| 19:44.50 | chlue | drdozer: I never found a good save solution for this, too. My stategy is to use imap for mails, opera with sync feature for bockmarks and keep all my private files on the pc and only a mirror on the laptop. Not that great, but at least I know what I am doing. |
| 19:45.49 | drdozer | I really want my laptop to be my desktop-lite |
| 19:46.07 | drdozer | same settings as desktop, shared chat histories and things but only the data I want to take with me |
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| 19:46.58 | junkDawgie | examine the capabilities of synkron .. http://synkron.sourceforge.net |
| 19:47.34 | junkDawgie | to mirror the pc with the laptop you would "clone" the pc to lappy |
| 19:47.35 | chlue | drdozer: shared chat histories are something I miss, too. But this either requieres online storrage or merging. |
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| 19:48.33 | Skrot- | Is there some magic trick required to make the KDM KCM module (and others that require root privileges) trigger a question for root/sudo password? I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE built from trunk :) |
| 19:48.55 | drdozer | mm - is there someone I can lobby to try to convince that this sort of functionality is a 'must have' for a future kde release? |
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| 19:49.14 | drdozer | it sounds like the sort of thing that needs to be supported by the kde platform, rather than individual apps |
| 19:49.40 | tstaerk | drdozer, I think everyone agrees on that. |
| 19:49.56 | tstaerk | drdozer, the developers are not short of ideas, rather short of time. |
| 19:50.06 | tstaerk | If you want to implement it, do it. |
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| 19:50.25 | tstaerk | If not, open a wish at bugs.kde.org and see how many people vote for it. |
| 19:50.37 | tstaerk | and tell me the bug # so I can vote for it. |
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| 19:56.47 | Tanktalus | tstaerk: krunner_lock is being called ... not sure why... |
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| 19:57.42 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, also as new user? |
| 19:57.57 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, rename krunner_lock to krunner_lock_old |
| 19:58.03 | Tanktalus | haven't had a chance for that ... try one thing at a time. Including LUNCH. :-P |
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| 19:58.32 | tstaerk | Tanktalus, from the US, eh? |
| 19:58.45 | tstaerk | just finished dinner |
| 19:59.00 | Tanktalus | tstaerk: nope. |
| 19:59.04 | Tanktalus | is a proud Canuckian. |
| 19:59.19 | Tanktalus | Close, though. Even 'mericans get us confused ;-) |
| 19:59.37 | tstaerk | Americans are you all </nitpick> |
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| 20:00.33 | Tanktalus | Still not US :-P |
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| 20:03.19 | tstaerk | annma, come on, you are not so bad :) |
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| 20:05.57 | praedor | Does one need to run kwatchgnupg in order to make gnupg work in kmail? |
| 20:06.37 | annma | ;) |
| 20:06.58 | praedor | I should say in KDE4 (4.1.3): kwatchgnupg and kmail |
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| 20:08.26 | praedor | I couldn't get pineentry-qt and gnupg to work in kmail (kde4) until I, in desperation, started up kwatchgnupg because it was the only way I could get the necessary gnupg log-socket to form and work |
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| 20:09.05 | praedor | now that I have gnupg and kmail working, I am loath to shut down kwatchgnupg even though it is a TREMENDOUS pain in the ass. |
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| 20:09.35 | praedor | I fear it will wreck the finally working encryption function in kmail. |
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| 20:13.02 | rtra | hi. what's the equivalent command to kcontrol in kde4? I need do run it remotely with X11 forwarding, I don't have a desktop to explore. |
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| 20:14.01 | SSJ_GZ | rtra: systemsettings |
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| 20:21.52 | drdozer | tstaerk: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179841 |
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| 20:24.23 | rtra | SSJ_GZ: thank you |
| 20:24.31 | SSJ_GZ | np |
| 20:24.40 | sergiomb | hi , how I see history of klipper on kde 4 ? |
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| 20:25.41 | tstaerk | drdozer, I though we were talking about an automated kdesu? |
| 20:25.49 | sergiomb | hi , how I get history of klipper on kde 4 on a bash shell ? |
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| 20:27.49 | pinotree | sergiomb: what do you really want to do? |
| 20:28.27 | sergiomb | I don't remenber , dcopclient klipper getitens |
| 20:28.45 | tstaerk | sergiomb, no, what do you want to accomplish? |
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| 20:29.19 | sergiomb | I wanf get a string that I lost , and is in history of klipper |
| 20:30.12 | drdozer | tstaerk: mm - want to add that on to the end of my feature request? |
| 20:30.25 | drdozer | I think for managing app settings, something a little deeper would be needed |
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| 20:33.57 | rniamo | hi, what is the kde application to see all the prcessus running ? |
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| 20:36.01 | rniamo | i'm looking for something like gnome-system-monitor |
| 20:37.29 | pinotree | ksysguard |
| 20:37.55 | rniamo | thank you :) |
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| 20:40.12 | sergiomb | tstaerk: pinotree: on kde 3 dcop klipper klipper getClipboardHistoryMenu |
| 20:40.26 | sergiomb | but don't work on kde 4 |
| 20:40.30 | tstaerk | sergiomb, dcop -> qdbus |
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| 20:41.16 | popcornPanic | i have an external monitor for my laptop. i want it to extend my lappy. the external one is the only one on right now. whats wrong?? |
| 20:42.05 | tstaerk | popcornPanic, normally you have a control key on your laptop to switch this. |
| 20:42.24 | tstaerk | for me, it is labeled CRT/LCD and is combined by Fn and F8. |
| 20:43.12 | popcornPanic | tstaerk: mine is the same. it does nothing |
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| 20:43.44 | tstaerk | qdbus org.kde.klipper /klipper |
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| 20:44.50 | popcornPanic | h/o before we solve that... |
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| 20:45.20 | popcornPanic | i just installed sabayon 4.0. it comes with kde 3.5, should i install the latter version of kde? |
| 20:45.21 | xxploit | Im having a problem burning music to cd's with kb3 heres the output http://pastebin.com/m412bb7c1 any suggestions? |
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| 20:46.24 | sergiomb | tstaerk: cool thanks it works , qdbus org.kde.klipper /klipper getClipboardHistoryMenu >& klipperlist |
| 20:46.40 | sergiomb | tstaerk: I found the item ! thanks |
| 20:46.56 | popcornPanic | xxploit: i see something about Operation not permitted. try it with sudo |
| 20:48.10 | tstaerk | sergiomb, hehe... at the moment I did not get this command, I was struggling myself, thanks! |
| 20:48.16 | xxploit | popcornPanic: no diff same error |
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| 20:49.09 | sergiomb | tstaerk: many thanks and bye I have to leave now |
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| 20:57.18 | knusperfrosch | what's the current (4.2) app to sync mobile phones? kandy? kmobiletools? kitchensync? |
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| 21:01.04 | Half-Left | knusperfrosch: Pretty sure it's kitchensync |
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| 21:07.46 | ghostcube | hi folks ! |
| 21:08.09 | ghostcube | i have a problem i want to get jackd to the sound device list in the systemsettings |
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| 21:08.24 | ghostcube | i have seen this on some images but iam on kubuntu and i dont get this working |
| 21:08.55 | wad | Hi, folks. I'm using Kubuntu on my laptop, and I'm having trouble configuring it to show the display on both the laptop display and an external monitor (I just want the display cloned). What's the best way to troubleshoot this? |
| 21:09.03 | wad | I've backed up my xorg.conf file. |
| 21:09.38 | wad | I've tried the little system settings GUI tool, but it just honked the whole system. |
| 21:10.12 | wad | Right now, when I boot, I see the login screen (GUI version) on both screens, but once I log in, I only get the external display. |
| 21:10.19 | wad | I'd like to have the display on the laptop screen also. |
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| 21:12.19 | wad | I guess nobody has any advice. |
| 21:12.26 | wad | tries in #kubuntu |
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| 21:14.36 | sandsmark | wad: it's probably a kubuntu problem, so good choice ;) |
| 21:14.43 | sandsmark | I usually use krandrtray to set up my screen |
| 21:15.05 | wad | sandsmark, :) |
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| 21:21.08 | ghostcube | wad on nvidia cards nvidia settings works fine |
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| 21:23.57 | thomasj | Hello, i try to get something working again, the old code is: onclick="dcop amarok player play" but that does not work with kde4 amarok2. Maybe one could help me with the new "way" to do it. Or with other words, what's the replacement for the dcop call? |
| 21:24.10 | sandsmark | qdbus |
| 21:24.14 | wad | Thanks guys.... playing with it now. |
| 21:24.31 | thomasj | sandsmark, qdbus, was that for me? |
| 21:24.36 | sandsmark | yeah |
| 21:24.45 | thomasj | sandsmark, cool :) thanks |
| 21:24.51 | sandsmark | np ;) |
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| 21:26.22 | user3 | hey all |
| 21:26.51 | user3 | does kde have an equivalent to system->preference->keyboard (repeat settings), like gnome? |
| 21:27.18 | tstaerk | user3, KDE 3 or 4? |
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| 21:27.29 | user3 | tstaerk: kde3 |
| 21:27.32 | tstaerk | kcontrol |
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| 21:28.01 | kostja | Hello! |
| 21:28.03 | pinotree | kde control center â perhiperals â keyboard â enable keyboard repeatition |
| 21:28.14 | emanuel | Hi all. I'm using KDE 4.1.85, how can I make kmail to sort messages by date, most recent first, the default? |
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| 21:28.18 | DanielW | hi |
| 21:28.19 | user3 | tstaerk: thanks |
| 21:28.35 | user3 | gotta run |
| 21:29.17 | tstaerk | emanuel, this is the default |
| 21:29.24 | DanielW | mounting from kde stoped working. either since the update of hal or the one of kde (trunk from this day at the moment)... |
| 21:29.26 | kostja | could I have your /etc/pam.d/kdm configuration file? |
| 21:29.28 | emanuel | Even, how can I make that setting to persist in a particular folder... |
| 21:29.33 | kostja | I can't login with kdm |
| 21:29.59 | DanielW | something about permission denied by policy from dbus/hal in dolphin as error messages.. |
| 21:30.06 | DanielW | -s |
| 21:30.11 | DanielW | any ideas? |
| 21:30.22 | BULLE | DanielW: fedora ? |
| 21:30.28 | DanielW | BULLE: arch linux |
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| 21:30.40 | emanuel | tstaerk: how can I change the default? |
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| 21:31.22 | tstaerk | emanuel, I think if you leave kmail, your setting is stored |
| 21:32.00 | pavi | are there KDE applications for accessibility like "Gnome accessibility" ? |
| 21:32.49 | tstaerk | yes, kmouth e.g. |
| 21:33.05 | emanuel | tstaerk: in mine, I go to Change sort order -> By Date/Time (most recent first) and that's fine, but when I leave the folder and go back to it, the sort order changed. |
| 21:33.18 | DanielW | pavi: http://accessibility.kde.org/ but well it seems very outdated.. |
| 21:33.31 | pavi | is kmouth like orca in gnome ? |
| 21:33.44 | pavi | DanielW, lemme check out |
| 21:33.44 | tstaerk | I do not know orca in gnome |
| 21:34.13 | tstaerk | also see |
| 21:34.15 | pavi | apt-cache search screen reader gave me gnome-orca - Scriptable screen reader |
| 21:34.27 | tstaerk | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeaccessibility/ that was changed 7 hours ago |
| 21:35.01 | pavi | tstaerk, good to hear that :) |
| 21:35.14 | tstaerk | sorry, two days |
| 21:35.29 | tstaerk | kmag is a screen magnifier |
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| 21:37.23 | pavi | http://accessibility.kde.org/ talks of things during 3.4 days .. :( its 4.1.x now .. looks like it has no volunteers |
| 21:37.37 | thomasj | sandsmark, i had to change as well player to /player but now it works with qdbus :D Thank you very much! |
| 21:37.57 | tstaerk | pavi, you can volunteer and write help directly on userbase.kde.org |
| 21:37.58 | sandsmark | np, have fun ;) |
| 21:38.11 | sandsmark | pavi: I think they're working on it |
| 21:38.36 | sandsmark | they just mailed people and asked if they had any usability studies laying around, and seele has done a couple this year |
| 21:38.38 | tstaerk | sandsmark, it is wrong to hope for "them", just write the help. |
| 21:38.44 | pavi | sandsmark, I can volunteer for updating the website while looking at changelog ;) |
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| 21:38.46 | tstaerk | Users are best for writing help for users. |
| 21:39.22 | tstaerk | pavi, the user help for all KDE applications is consolidated on userbase.kde.org |
| 21:39.38 | sandsmark | oh, nvm, I confused accessibility with usability... :p |
| 21:40.36 | pavi | sandsmark, accessibility means the program must be accessible to all kinds of users irrespective of their disabilities |
| 21:40.57 | sandsmark | indeed |
| 21:41.01 | pavi | usability is just how usable the program is |
| 21:41.04 | sandsmark | I'm just tired, been on a train all day ;) |
| 21:43.14 | pavi | celeste has done lot of work on usability , not much after KDE4 though |
| 21:44.12 | sandsmark | and that is good, because too few care/know a lot about usability :p |
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| 21:46.57 | tstaerk | usability is an exciting topic. |
| 21:47.22 | tstaerk | It comprises useful error messages and sensible defaults |
| 21:47.57 | pavi | recently there was a thread in ILUG bombay complaining about the lack of usability in linux , someone told that those were things of past and pinted to KDE usability project |
| 21:49.43 | tstaerk | this is great, however, doing a project is not enough, every programmer has to be creative about it |
| 21:51.02 | pavi | tstaerk, check out http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20081229/065380.html |
| 21:51.21 | pavi | tstaerk, yes |
| 21:53.32 | tstaerk | pavi, exactly that is wrong. Every developer has heard about the HIG, but no one reads it. |
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| 21:54.22 | pavi | tstaerk, maybe because it sounds too boring and sometimes obvious |
| 21:54.48 | tstaerk | this is because of the "usability" of the HIG. It is not "usable" because no one knows where it is. |
| 21:55.19 | tstaerk | I talked with Ellen about it, she said it will soon be ready |
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| 21:55.39 | tstaerk | So I did not read it. Just pointing me to a wiki would have done the trick |
| 21:55.50 | pavi | tstaerk, its there if we look at some blogs |
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| 21:56.37 | tstaerk | well ok I know how to use my programs ;) |
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| 22:05.43 | hallowname | anyone here on trunk want to test the openbrain plasmoid? it's an AI bot, desktop assistant. |
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| 22:09.06 | boloco | hi, all |
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| 22:09.10 | k4_ | hallowname: does it look like the word paperclip ??? then YES !! |
| 22:09.12 | k4_ | :-) |
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| 22:10.35 | hallowname | k4_: umm... it looks liek a rectangular plasmoid to me... lol... |
| 22:10.39 | kendrick | i'm dumb. i finally noticed that my xorg.conf had generic vid driver. when i set it to something more specific (intel whatever), suddenly i had compositing effects and all sorts of 3D goodness |
| 22:10.51 | kendrick | however, when i run GL stuff (screensaver, glxgears, etc.), i get flickering of the windows behind |
| 22:11.03 | kendrick | is there some magic way to have the comp. effects turn off when a GL-based app runs? |
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| 22:11.27 | darken_ | hi |
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| 22:13.37 | darken_ | is there a way to make the system tray in kde4 expand by content and not by the space that it has available? this happens when you add a new panel and inside it you add the system tray |
| 22:14.44 | darken_ | when you have a taskmanager, it forces the system tray to be as small as its contents |
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| 22:24.03 | Phlogi | thats a useful backtrace right? http://dpaste.com/106154/ |
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| 22:27.24 | kendrick | blahs |
| 22:27.26 | kendrick | cya |
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| 22:27.43 | reavertm | more of less, at least it shows line number |
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| 22:30.54 | mercutio22 | which is the mail app in KDE? |
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| 22:31.33 | reavertm | k<application> -> kmail :) |
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| 22:50.43 | neyz | anyone noticed the "stop" button does not work on the kde "transfer" window ? |
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| 22:51.51 | boom1992 | neyz: depends on what the job is doing I think |
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| 22:52.18 | neyz | boom1992: it's impossible for me to stop a FT transfer without killing the processes |
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| 22:52.55 | boom1992 | neyz: FT? |
| 22:53.32 | neyz | boom1992: sorry my P key is kinda broken ^^ |
| 22:53.40 | boom1992 | ah ok :D |
| 22:54.07 | boom1992 | neyz: well, it should work (tm), but really dunno, use kget as rescue and report it as a bug at bugs.kde.org (assing it to the kio product)... |
| 22:55.01 | termite473842 | I think it's known, so search first |
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| 22:55.37 | CMD_L1N3 | neyz: i feel your pain. my tab was broken so i had to sacrafice my caps lock to fix it |
| 22:55.58 | boom1992 | haha CMD_L1N3 |
| 22:56.01 | boom1992 | :D |
| 22:56.07 | neyz | CMD_L1N3: it's always a matter of priority |
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| 22:56.54 | CMD_L1N3 | neyz: for real. who uses caps anyways? |
| 22:57.37 | neyz | fair enough |
| 22:58.06 | CMD_L1N3 | (duct tape + shift) = caps lock |
| 22:58.47 | neyz | heh how is the ATI/Nvidia war going on on linux ? i heard ATI was making lots of progress while before it as Nvidia or nothing for 3D accelerated graphics |
| 22:59.50 | CMD_L1N3 | go ahead and ruin your machine with amd products if you want to |
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| 23:01.04 | neyz | CMD_L1N3: i get it now : your ATI card broke your Caps Lock key |
| 23:01.07 | neyz | ;) |
| 23:01.13 | CMD_L1N3 | neyz: haha actually no |
| 23:01.35 | CMD_L1N3 | if it did anything it would melt it off |
| 23:02.20 | CMD_L1N3 | whats a good cpu monitor for kde? |
| 23:02.31 | CMD_L1N3 | i'm more of a gnome guy |
| 23:03.28 | hallowname | CMD_L1N3: ksysguard is thorough, but top is fast |
| 23:03.47 | sandsmark | or just one of the nifty plasmoids |
| 23:04.02 | sandsmark | ksysguard "lite" (ctrl+esc) starts about as fast as top here |
| 23:04.10 | sandsmark | (if not faster) |
| 23:04.35 | Jucato | Ctrl+Esc vs. Ctrl+T (yakuake) + typing "top" |
| 23:04.43 | hallowname | sandsmark: yea i use the cpu plasmoid from playground :D |
| 23:04.45 | Jucato | er.. Win+T I mean |
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| 23:05.42 | neyz | Jucato: nice, didn't know that Ctrl+Esc thanks ! |
| 23:05.57 | CMD_L1N3 | that helps Jucato |
| 23:06.12 | Jucato | (sandsmark said it first :P) |
| 23:06.59 | sandsmark | (yakuake is bound to the key uppermost right on my keyboard, which happens to be pause/break) |
| 23:07.38 | Jucato | laptop keyboard? |
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| 23:14.44 | mercutio22 | is there a way to make Konsole transparent? |
| 23:18.14 | LnxSlck | mercutio22, i think so |
| 23:19.27 | sandsmark | mercutio22: kde3 or 4? |
| 23:19.33 | sandsmark | in kde3 you need to patch it, iirc |
| 23:19.46 | mercutio22 | sandsmark> kde4 |
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| 23:20.30 | Jucato | Edit CUrrent Profile -> Apperance -> Edit (whatever scheme you have selected) -> Background Transparency |
| 23:20.30 | neyz | anyone knows about a nice viewer for pictures ? i find showfoto really how to say.. heavy maybe |
| 23:20.47 | Jucato | gwenview? |
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| 23:21.55 | neyz | Jucato: thanks, going to look into it |
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| 23:25.44 | ambro951 | What's up with NetworkManager support? it was said it'll be ready for 4.2, but it doesn't seem so. |
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| 23:27.31 | k4__ | ambro951: :) |
| 23:28.18 | mercutio22 | is it still important to have konqueror in KDE4? |
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| 23:28.33 | k4__ | ambro951: if i would code in my sparetime the priority to meet some deadline would be for sure Zero ! |
| 23:28.35 | k4__ | :) |
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| 23:28.56 | k4__ | but i think the amazing kde people did some great work on networkmanager in 4.2 |
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| 23:29.12 | ambro951 | k4__: any idea where the current work can be found (if there is any) ? |
| 23:29.27 | k4__ | ambro951: yea , knetworkmanager |
| 23:29.48 | pinotree | mercutio22: ? |
| 23:29.51 | ambro951 | k4__: I mean the new applet |
| 23:30.01 | k4__ | ah the plasma applet ? |
| 23:30.17 | ambro951 | mercutio22: konqueror is useless crap, forget about it and use firefox |
| 23:30.43 | mercutio22 | ambro951> hmmm, thought so |
| 23:30.50 | k4__ | ambro951: that's the state of work currently : http://vizzzion.org/ |
| 23:31.03 | k4__ | good progress i think ! |
| 23:31.21 | pinotree | ambro951: nice how you blindly judge, and with a quite delicate language... |
| 23:31.43 | k4__ | jebas did a good job on this one |
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| 23:32.30 | ads | Morning |
| 23:32.36 | ambro951 | pinotree: too bad it's true; the fact that half of flash applets don't load and every flash freezes the browser for 2 seconds makes it totally useless |
| 23:32.49 | ambro951 | pinotree: and face it, a browser without flash is useless |
| 23:32.59 | pinotree | ambro951: probably for you, not for other people |
| 23:33.08 | k4__ | ambro951: yea i hope the 64bit version that's currently out will make it much better |
| 23:33.09 | ambro951 | pinotree: for everyone |
| 23:33.16 | pinotree | ambro951: wrong |
| 23:33.39 | pinotree | ambro951: and i saw also firefox users not using flash because their browser crashed |
| 23:34.03 | ambro951 | pinotree: I've seen this on all distros that use flash10; if they flash9 it still freezes for 2s on every applet |
| 23:34.19 | ambro951 | pinotree: I haven't, firefox works great with flash |
| 23:34.36 | pinotree | ... for you :) |
| 23:34.38 | k4__ | ambro951: not here :-/ |
| 23:35.10 | k4__ | ambro951: it works , but *good* is something different |
| 23:35.11 | ambro951 | it's not flash that's problematic, it's the lack of manpower and skill on the KDE side... |
| 23:35.23 | pinotree | ambro951: don't confuse -your- experience as the soley reason to judge "crap" a software that is quite good and working for others |
| 23:35.26 | ads | FF works great with flash ... and after some websites it will crash. |
| 23:35.47 | rohanpm | considers turning off flash and javascript by default necessary for a sane internet in any browser |
| 23:36.00 | k4__ | lol, turn off javascript |
| 23:36.18 | ambro951 | pinotree: I'm quite sure my experience is similar to other users, it seems the devs just don't care |
| 23:36.29 | k4__ | turn off your computer to not make it crash ! (---: |
| 23:36.37 | pinotree | ambro951: sure, flash developers don't care about !firefox browsers, yes |
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| 23:37.12 | ambro951 | pinotree: I wonder why firefox is the default browser in opensuse, even though everything else is kde |
| 23:37.12 | ads | ok, another, unrelated question: in KDE 3 i could configure my "konsole" and save the settings as default. In KDE 4 i don't have a "save" option but instead the "konsole" always opens in the last state (full screen, as example). How can i revert the behaviour? |
| 23:37.16 | pinotree | ambro951: like when said plugin explicitely wants the exact firefox user agent, otherwise it will crash |
| 23:37.38 | pinotree | ambro951: do you find normal such behaviour for a software? |
| 23:38.43 | pinotree | ambro951: and remember supporting flash is basically looking at how a black box reacts to inputs, not a 5 minute job, no? |
| 23:38.48 | ambro951 | pinotree: it's not hard to fake it if it's needed; better use a hack than have such a major feature broken |
| 23:38.58 | k4__ | ambro951: networkmanager plasma applet: /playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager/ |
| 23:39.01 | ads | Oh, and how can i deactivate the "wait 30 seconds before shutdown" window? |
| 23:39.18 | ambro951 | k4__: thanks' I'll look into it |
| 23:39.48 | k4__ | i build playground/base always , so i should have it+ |
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| 23:52.09 | badcrc | i'm running debian with kde 4.1 and somehow the main toolbar in konqueror has disappeared on me. if i right click the toolbar areas i can see that it thinks it is showing but it is not. i have tried unchecking it there and rechecking to show the main toolbar but it doesn't help. i have also renamed my konquerorrc under ~/.kde4/share/config/ |
| 23:52.58 | badcrc | i am about to go back to 3.5.x but i don't want to let it win... |
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