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`00:10.19`	`dunas`	`Just wanted to say that I'm using KDE 4.1.1 (KDEmod for Arch to be precise) and I love it.`
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`00:12.36`	`binarycodes`	`what is a good kde based partition editor?`
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`00:14.49`	`rohanpm`	`binarycodes: qtparted, though it's not KDE based (just Qt)`
`00:15.56`	`binarycodes`	`rohanpm: thanks`
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`00:22.25`	`BlueG`	`Kopete 0.12.7 on KDE 3.5.10 won't actually connect when I set the status to online, running it from the terminal shows "libkopete: [void Kopete::WalletManager::openWalletInner()] still waiting for earlier request", how can I restart the kwalletmanager or tell kopete to let me enter the passwords manually?`
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`00:27.43`	`blauzahl-laptop`	`BlueG: #kopete might be able to help you better. or at least give you somethign that isn't overkill`
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`00:34.32`	`BlueG`	`what is the actual kwallet binary called?`
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`00:37.57`	`wart_`	`Hi folks. I don't normally use KDE but I do use okular and okular for some reason won't print to my cups configured printer. What is the kde commandline tool to configure a printer?`
`00:38.32`	`wart_`	`(I'm not running okular in kde but in fvwm with kdelibs installed on a gentoo box.)`
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`00:53.21`	`root`	`hi`
`00:53.33`	`Guest68417`	`ok`
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`00:54.13`	`binarycodes`	`amarok isn't stable yet for kde4, so what do you guys use?`
`00:54.59`	`binarycodes`	`i tried the svn one, but its far from stable`
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`01:10.50`	`jordo2323`	`How is KDE 4.0 coming along? (I am a Gnome user, but was loyal to KDE 3.5 in the past) Thoughts appreciated.`
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`01:15.28`	`notriddle`	`jordo2323: 4.1 is certainly better that 4.0. So it's doing okay.`
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`01:22.53`	`extor`	`Are there any OSD packages for KDE? Something similar to gnome-osd but obviously made for KDE?`
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`01:25.15`	`kronos003`	`what setting do i need to change to shrink the font in ktorrent?`
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`01:40.47`	`extor`	`ktorrent is awesome`
`01:41.18`	`kronos003`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:42.23`	`extor`	`By beating the kde apps with a stick each time you alter the dpi settings`
`01:42.39`	`BlueG`	`kronos003: I think you can do that in Control Center under Appearance & Themes -> Fonts`
`01:43.29`	`kronos003`	`BlueG: would that also be in gnome or do i need to install something - full kde and gnome are installed and im runnig gnome`
`01:45.07`	`BlueG`	`hmm, I am not sure about that one... you may be able to run the kde control center from gnome... I really don't know how that works`
`01:45.10`	`kronos003`	`the gnome setting doesnt seem to affect ktorrent`
`01:45.24`	`kronos003`	`what is the command for that`
`01:48.34`	`BlueG`	`hmm, I am not sure about that one... you may be able to run the kde control center from gnome...`
`01:49.03`	`BlueG`	`oops, wrong key stroke... kcontrol is the command you are looking for`
`01:50.10`	`BlueG`	`heh, accidentally copying and pasting parts of my previous comment back into the channel makes me look like a blathering idiot`
`01:50.20`	`BlueG`	`but then maybe I am :-)`
`01:53.31`	`kronos003`	`i seem to have sorted it ot - rather hackishly`
`01:54.10`	`kronos003`	`would be nice if kde and gnome could agree on a backend control standard so things work the way they should`
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`01:56.23`	`andycr`	`Hi`
`01:59.22`	`extor`	`wonders if gnome-OSD would work on KDE`
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`02:06.47`	`BlueG`	`kronos003: so what was your solution? Did you just force the DPI in kcontrol?`
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`02:13.20`	`BlueG`	`How do I restart kwallet?`
`02:17.12`	`drantin`	`kill it and run it again?`
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`02:20.25`	`tengulre`	`hi,all`
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`02:23.01`	`Wraithan`	`Anyone know how dependant the on the rest of the system is KDE's launcher?`
`02:23.47`	`Wraithan`	`Or whatever the app that is launched with alt+f2 is`
`02:24.17`	`drantin`	`krunner ?`
`02:24.45`	`drantin`	`pretty certain it has deps on at least kdelibs and plasma, at least on kde4...`
`02:25.09`	`Wraithan`	`hmm`
`02:25.27`	`extor`	`Is there a way to make KDE automatically log in to a certain user without having to type in the username and password each time?`
`02:25.47`	`Wraithan`	`I REALLY like it, but my main box I run xfce+xmonad because I have seen rather poor performance using wine with kde(mod)`
`02:25.59`	`Wraithan`	`kde4 and kdemod`
`02:26.04`	`g2g591`	`extor: yes, check out the kdm (or login manager) settings in kcontrol or systemesettings`
`02:27.42`	`g2g591`	`Wraithan: I don't run wine much, but when I do (yes on Arch linux) , it doesn't seem to affect performance here....`
`02:27.46`	`extor`	`Hmm it has those convenience options unavailable. Do I need to run kcontrol as root?`
`02:28.07`	`extor`	`it says attention, read help`
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`02:28.32`	`Wraithan`	`g2g591: nVidia or ati? not that I heard it makes a difference`
`02:28.55`	`g2g591`	`Wraithan: nvidia`
`02:29.05`	`extor`	`dang it is not letting me su to admin mode`
`02:29.13`	`g2g591`	`extor: you need to run it as root (or, if theres an administrator button, use that)`
`02:29.28`	`Wraithan`	`but on my friends box (never ran kde or kdemod on my gaming box) he was using nvidia (which is what I use) and was half a second delay or more when you switched applicatoins`
`02:29.30`	`extor`	`yeah I clicked the admin button but it says conversation with su failed`
`02:29.31`	`Wraithan`	`applications*`
`02:29.49`	`Wraithan`	`he changed over to a gnome setup and delay went away, same with a xfce setup`
`02:29.53`	`g2g591`	`Wraithan: well, nvidia 6150 LE , its an on board thing that didn't have the other problem with nvidia drivers and kwin composting`
`02:30.10`	`g2g591`	`extor: well... try just running kdesu kcontrol`
`02:30.26`	`Wraithan`	`g2g591: hmm`
`02:30.48`	`extor`	`conversation with su failed there too`
`02:31.02`	`Wraithan`	`g2g591: well perhaps I will give it a shot, he wasn't running xmonad as his WM as I will perhaps the problem he was experience had to do with the kde WM`
`02:31.11`	`extor`	`when I launch kcontrol as root I get an X server error`
`02:31.29`	`extor`	`Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server`
`02:32.04`	`Wraithan`	`is it pretty easy to disable stuff on the panel, like the pager and 'kickoff'?`
`02:32.06`	`extor`	`how do I fix X so that any user can launche a KDE app in my X session?`
`02:36.41`	`sabocat`	`Anyone here use KTorrent?`
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`02:39.06`	`g2g591`	`extor: you MUST use kdesu (or gksu) to launch gui apps as root`
`02:39.33`	`g2g591`	`extor: otherwise you get that error that you did :)`
`02:39.45`	`tengulre`	`I have already LiveCD ISO file, I want modify something and remake this ISO file, How to do?`
`02:40.15`	`extor`	`dang...`
`02:40.35`	`extor`	`well I did an xhost + and that fixed the error`
`02:40.58`	`g2g591`	`or , you could do that i suppose if you want to go all smart and all cli on me`
`02:45.55`	`BlueG`	`drantin: I am not sure what the binary is called for kwallet...`
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`02:47.29`	`drantin`	`BlueG: kwalletd? kwalletmanager?`
`02:48.03`	`BlueG`	`drantin: slocate kwallet didn't find it...`
`02:48.21`	`drantin`	`odd system, that's what they're called here...`
`02:53.15`	`Jucato`	`locate is only as accurate as its index database`
`02:59.18`	`drantin`	personally, `which kwalletd` finds it for me...
`02:59.42`	`drantin`	`also, typing kwallet[tab][tab] was how i got those other two names`
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`03:04.32`	`dunas`	`Google is remarkably not wanting to throw anything back at me for using transparency and the like with Conky in 4.1.1`
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`03:11.52`	`garu`	`hi everyone`
`03:12.55`	`garu`	`can someone tell me how do I upgrade from KDE 4.0 to KDE 4.1?`
`03:14.17`	`hays`	`it would depend on your distro`
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`03:18.50`	`texnofobix`	`does anyone else's dialogs hang?`
`03:19.04`	`texnofobix`	`in kde 4.0.5`
`03:19.12`	`tengulre`	`hi,all ! how to auto running a app when I login in gamin desktop ?`
`03:19.15`	`texnofobix`	`unless it's b/c i'm running foldingathome`
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`03:25.13`	`garu`	`hays I'm running openSuse 11.0`
`03:27.06`	`texnofobix`	`garu: find the packages for it`
`03:27.14`	`texnofobix`	`not too sure since i run gentoo`
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`03:33.16`	`Germthegeek`	`Q: Is there anyway to make Twhirl show up alongside my plasmoids when I view my Dashboard?`
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`03:36.55`	`Germthegeek`	`KDE 4.1.1, Ubuntu Hardy`
`03:37.07`	`Germthegeek`	`forgot to post those if they matter :)`
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`03:47.50`	`Germthegeek`	`anyone?`
`03:51.19`	`texnofobix`	`bah`
`03:51.30`	`texnofobix`	`i'm tired of waiting for 4.1 to come to gentoo ....`
`03:52.24`	`Germthegeek`	`VM + Kubuntu?`
`03:52.46`	`texnofobix`	`hrmm`
`03:52.47`	`texnofobix`	`i could`
`03:52.58`	`texnofobix`	`but that would impact my foldingathome :P`
`03:53.14`	`Germthegeek`	`if you do make sure to enable the ppa`
`03:53.22`	`texnofobix`	`ppa?`
`03:53.45`	`texnofobix`	`is going to try this`
`03:53.47`	`texnofobix`	`http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KDE4#KDE_4.1_Only`
`03:54.21`	`Germthegeek`	`ahh my eyes`
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`03:56.28`	`LimCore`	`hi`
`03:56.30`	`LimCore`	`in konsole, how to save/restore entire session (with several tabs in it) to save each tabs profile,work dir,name etc`
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`04:15.47`	`Timberwolf5578`	`Which do you all think is the best KDE distro?`
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`04:18.26`	`dunas`	`I like Arch, personally.`
`04:18.46`	`dunas`	`Also, is there any really good guide to Conky with KDE4.1.1?`
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`04:56.00`	`aseigo`	`dunas: iirc Conky is not likely to work nicely since it assumes things it shouldn't (like a painted xrootwindow)`
`04:56.34`	`aseigo`	`dunas: it's doing things the Old Way (pre-composited wm's) and plasma simply does not provide for that`
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`04:57.51`	`dunas`	`aseigo, darn. Is there a KDE4.1.1-compatable replacement?`
`04:58.52`	`aseigo`	`mmm... plasma? =)`
`05:00.02`	`texnofobix`	`hi aseigo`
`05:00.47`	`aseigo`	`hey`
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`05:01.07`	`texnofobix`	`i'm finally tired of waiting for the portage people to put 4.1.1 in so i'm using an overlay`
`05:01.14`	`texnofobix`	`is waiting for it to compile`
`05:01.34`	`texnofobix`	`i also hope the few bugs i noticed in kgpg are fixed there too`
`05:01.58`	`aseigo`	`gives texnofobix svn ;-)`
`05:02.15`	`texnofobix`	`heh ... i could compile svn`
`05:02.15`	`aseigo`	`follow the branch and you can get updates as they happen!`
`05:02.33`	`texnofobix`	`i like some stablity on this box though`
`05:02.58`	`texnofobix`	`come november I am planning on migrating my wife over to kde`
`05:03.08`	`texnofobix`	`attempt #2 that is`
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`05:05.06`	`texnofobix`	`heh any chance of a Rexx scripting interface in kde4? ;)`
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`05:19.49`	`Timberwolf5578`	`I heard the fastest KDE distro (that is not hard to install) is Sidux. Is this true?`
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`05:24.38`	`aseigo`	`has never tried sidux`
`05:24.49`	`texnofobix`	`i've never heard of it`
`05:25.03`	`aseigo`	`texnofobix: the 4.1 branch is what the 4.1.x releases are drawn from`
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`05:25.14`	`Jucato`	`smiles wryly as a few people take the bait :)`
`05:25.19`	`aseigo`	`texnofobix: so basically you get to enjoy bugfixes before official releases ;)`
`05:25.24`	`texnofobix`	`oh nice`
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`05:25.49`	`texnofobix`	`aseigo: I"m installing this > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KDE4#1._Overlay:_Official_KDE_Team_Overlay`
`05:25.56`	`texnofobix`	`for amd64 :)`
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`05:41.54`	`bbelt16ag`	`TAKE THAT APPLE`
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`07:42.19`	`d1zzy`	`Jucato: thanks :)`
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`07:59.28`	`pinotree`	`ingwa: either on techbase, or #kwin`
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`08:02.13`	`ingwa`	`pinotree: we have already looked at techbase, but #kwin is a good tip. Thanks`
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`08:16.19`	`Chrysalis`	`hey, what is the difference between kde trunk and branches`
`08:16.34`	`Chrysalis`	`basically i am trying to figure out what does applying branch patches do`
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`08:19.37`	`Chrysalis`	`from what i gather trunk is basically the latest stable version and branches is where people develop/add updates to?`
`08:20.13`	`GraveDigger`	`its exactly the other way around`
`08:20.34`	`Chrysalis`	`hmm, so why would you wanna add branch updates if it was the other way around`
`08:20.59`	`Chrysalis`	`i am confused`
`08:21.03`	`GraveDigger`	`because ther is also a need to add updates to stable releases`
`08:21.07`	`GraveDigger`	`like bugfixes`
`08:21.09`	`GraveDigger`	`and such`
`08:21.37`	`Chrysalis`	`oh i get it, so it updates branch from trunk?`
`08:21.43`	`pinotree`	`no`
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`09:10.35`	`virhilo`	`there are any way to send notify to kde from console?`
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`09:15.00`	`gkiagia`	`virhilo: what do you mean?`
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`09:15.54`	`virhilo`	`i want to send message from console to that 'notify';]`
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`09:42.26`	`virhilo`	`gkiagia: qdbus org.kde.knotify /Notify and`
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`09:42.31`	`knusperfrosch`	`hi!`
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`09:42.35`	`virhilo`	`sth else`
`09:42.43`	`virhilo`	`but i don't know what`
`09:42.47`	`gkiagia`	`virhilo: it's the event method`
`09:42.55`	`virhilo`	`so?`
`09:42.58`	`knusperfrosch`	`goz a blue box on my screen saying "Filter:" where's that one from and how do i get rid of it?`
`09:42.59`	`gkiagia`	`virhilo: but I don't know how to pass the arguments it needs`
`09:43.16`	`gkiagia`	`it needs a QVariantList and I have no idea how to specify this on the command line`
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`09:44.37`	`gkiagia`	`knusperfrosch: blue box? on kde? maybe try xkill?`
`09:46.57`	`virhilo`	`gkiagia: i found the pythonj sollution-i'll test if it's work`
`09:47.02`	`virhilo`	`'python'`
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`09:49.17`	`knusperfrosch`	`gkiagia: http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bboxsl5.png`
`09:51.13`	`annma`	`distro?`
`09:51.28`	`annma`	`knusperfrosch: did you ask your distro cahnnel about it?`
`09:52.01`	`knusperfrosch`	`annma: gentoo, built from svn`
`09:52.19`	`annma`	`svn what`
`09:52.23`	`knusperfrosch`	`trunk`
`09:52.27`	`annma`	`all KDE is svn knusperfrosch`
`09:52.43`	`virhilo`	`gkiagia: >>> import sys`
`09:52.43`	`virhilo`	`>>> import dbus`
`09:52.44`	`virhilo`	`>>> kn=dbus.SessionBus().get_object('org.kde.knotify', '/Notify')>>> kn.event('warning', 'kde', [], 'hello-dbus here:P', [0, 0, 0, 0], [''], 0, dbus_interface='org.kde.KNotify')`
`09:52.47`	`annma`	`try a new user and if this is still there please ask in Gentoo relevant channel`
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`09:52.52`	`annma`	`knusperfrosch: ^^`
`09:53.07`	`knusperfrosch`	`annma: got a fresh user`
`09:53.33`	`annma`	`does your kde work?`
`09:53.42`	`knusperfrosch`	`jup`
`09:53.52`	`Jucato`	`looks like an artifact from the Present Windows desktop effect`
`09:53.53`	`annma`	`I have kde trunk and never got that filter`
`09:53.58`	`knusperfrosch`	`why wouldn't it? just some annoying blue box saying "filter" ;)`
`09:54.21`	`Jucato`	`annma: Present Windows kwin effect, type to filter out windows matching what you typed`
`09:54.25`	`Sho_`	`Does anyone know if KMail supports a Combined Inbox mode?`
`09:54.26`	`annma`	`knusperfrosch: do you have desktop effects enabled?`
`09:54.38`	`annma`	`Jucato: shouldn't be as default?`
`09:54.45`	`knusperfrosch`	`annma: yes i do`
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`09:54.56`	`annma`	`so you're not running defaults are you?`
`09:55.11`	`gkiagia`	`virhilo: does that work? I don't know python...`
`09:55.14`	`annma`	`my kde svn trunk has no effects as default`
`09:55.23`	`Jucato`	`annma: seli just blogged that it is enabled now by default in trunk`
`09:55.34`	`knusperfrosch`	`Jucato: desktop effects was the bad guy..`
`09:55.56`	`virhilo`	`gkiagia: yes-work`
`09:55.59`	`annma`	`OK Jucato`
`09:56.04`	`annma`	`very very recent`
`09:56.10`	`virhilo`	`gkiagia: type it in python insternactive console`
`09:56.15`	`virhilo`	`>>> means newline`
`09:56.16`	`annma`	`were the effects default for you knusperfrosch`
`09:57.02`	`knusperfrosch`	`annma: must be, otherwise i wouldn't have seen that box with my new user`
`09:57.28`	`annma`	`if you are running trunk you are running UNSTABLE knusperfrosch`
`09:57.36`	`annma`	`so be ready to get broken stuff`
`09:58.02`	`annma`	`also read planetKDE`
`09:58.04`	`knusperfrosch`	`annma: did i complain about anything? just wanted to know where that box comes from`
`09:58.15`	`annma`	`I am just telling you`
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`09:58.26`	`Jucato`	`knusperfrosch: <Jucato> annma: Present Windows kwin effect, type to filter out windows matching what you typed`
`09:59.55`	`annma`	`did you see the video cards page Jucato`
`10:00.00`	`annma`	`will come handy`
`10:00.14`	`Jucato`	`yeah. I will have to put mine in there too :)`
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`10:30.05`	`annma`	`weird effects are not enabled for me`
`10:30.33`	`zak_`	`annma: toujours la mandriva?:)`
`10:30.43`	`annma`	`KDE trunk`
`10:30.50`	`annma`	`nothing to do with distro`
`10:31.08`	`annma`	`mouse cursors are not refreshed properly`
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`10:31.37`	`lemma`	`annma: I think I witnessed that too eg. in konqueror`
`10:32.05`	`annma`	`lemma: exactly`
`10:32.35`	`annma`	`my card is not good enough probably to get effects as default`
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`10:33.22`	`lemma`	`annma: or seli doesn't know enough about it as he blogged ^^`
`10:33.49`	`annma`	`it's an Intel 965`
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`10:42.22`	`picca`	`anyone here know if there is a KDE 3.5.10 planned?`
`10:42.33`	`swemark`	`Hi, im having some issues with my background being displaced when running dual-monitor setup, it appear indented on my second monitor whereas its fine on the first one.`
`10:42.41`	`swemark`	`KDE4.1.1 kubuntu`
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`10:43.20`	`thiago`	`picca: 3.5.10 was already released`
`10:44.12`	`annma`	`picca: www.kde.org has all the latest releases`
`10:45.05`	`annma`	`swemark: likely a bug, look at bugs.kde.org please`
`10:45.33`	`pirho`	`Does anyone know where the color setting for panel is located on kde4?`
`10:45.56`	`swemark`	`annma, im thinking it has to do with plasma`
`10:45.59`	`lemma`	`pirho: it doesn't have color but only theme settings`
`10:46.02`	`swemark`	`not sure. still tinkering`
`10:46.32`	`lemma`	`pirho: rightclick on the desktop and choose "Desktop Settings..."`
`10:46.36`	`annma`	`swemark: of course as the background is one of plasma jobs`
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`10:47.08`	`swemark`	`figures, still noob :)`
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`10:48.07`	`pirho`	`lemma: I tried different themes and all of them seems to have dark gray background and black foreground.`
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`10:48.51`	`annma`	`pirho: Glassified is transparent if you have desktop effects enabled`
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`11:00.02`	`pirho`	`annma: my desktop effect is disabled by default.`
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`11:00.54`	`annma`	`pirho: yes but if you enable them you get a transparent panel with Glassified`
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`11:04.00`	`pirho`	`annma: tried enabling and all I get is black screen?`
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`11:05.00`	`lemma`	`is a fan of White glass`
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`11:05.07`	`gergap`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:05.33`	`garu`	`hi everyone`
`11:06.59`	`lemma`	`pirho: you could also try oxygen connections`
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`11:08.59`	`pirho`	`lemma: what is "oxygen connections"?`
`11:09.13`	`lemma`	`pirho: it's another rather bright (whitish) theme`
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`11:12.20`	`garu`	`can someone tell me how do I install extra themes in kde 3.5?`
`11:13.09`	`Jucato`	`garu: depends on what kind of theme it is`
`11:13.49`	`Jucato`	`garu: http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-desktop.html`
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`11:15.52`	`garu`	`Jucato extra themes like "kde-icons-aquafusion".in pclinuxos 2007 all I had to do was search that in the synaptic.but with openSuse in the package manager, it just can't find any extra theme.`
`11:16.52`	`pirho`	`lemma: tried oxygen theme and it made no difference.`
`11:16.59`	`Jucato`	`garu: because different distros have different sets of packages. what might be in one distro may not be in another. KDE itself doesn't make these packages`
`11:18.04`	`garu`	`Jucato humn...oki doki.just trying to find extra themes...cant find anything.lol`
`11:18.13`	`pirho`	`lemma: only oxygen theme I found was in "theme manager", is this the correct one?`
`11:18.31`	`Jucato`	`garu: http://www.kde-look.org and #opensuse-kde if you have questions aboute their packages`
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`11:26.17`	`lemma`	`pirho: I get it like this: right-click on the desktop, choose "Desktop settings..". Click "New Theme" and wait for the list to load. then look it up in the list and press insttall`
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`11:34.01`	`Micettonero`	`hi`
`11:34.10`	`Micettonero`	`is there a kde4 irc client?`
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`11:35.50`	`pirho`	`lemma: when i right click on desktop, only thing i see is "Configure Desktop...". When I choose this, there is no "New Theme" option.`
`11:36.05`	`bonsaikitten`	`Micettonero: not really, konversation seems to be a bit difficult, but quassel is a qt4 irc client`
`11:36.16`	`bonsaikitten`	`integrates well, but not really kde-centric`
`11:36.32`	`lemma`	`pirho: where do you set your wallpaper? it should be the same dialog`
`11:39.41`	`imagelife`	`is away: Gone away for now.`
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`11:41.09`	`pirho`	`lemma: its "Configure Desktop..", but there is no "New Theme" option. It only has "Desktop Theme" which has only 2 choices.`
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`11:43.05`	`lemma`	`pirho: which version of KDE are you running?`
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`11:46.06`	`pirho`	`lemma: It's "kde 4.0.4", one that came with suse11.`
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`11:48.52`	`lemma`	`pirho: in that case it seems that the new theme stuff either wasn't part of 4.0.4 yet or was stripped out`
`11:49.06`	`lemma`	`pirho: please try asking in an opensuse channel`
`11:49.55`	`pirho`	`lemma: ok, thanks for u r help.`
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`12:16.45`	`xjunior`	`hi! In kde 4.1.0 Kopete+Jabber was working fine, now in 4.1.1 I can't even add a jabber account. Can somebody help me?`
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`12:17.38`	`pinotree`	`xjunior: hi! it would be nice if you could avoid cross-posting question, thanks!`
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`12:18.04`	`xjunior`	`pinotree: cross-posting question ?`
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`12:18.10`	`annma`	`and ask in #kopete`
`12:18.41`	`annma`	`4.1.1 is a bug fix version of 4.1.0 so if it's broken this is a regression`
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`12:23.29`	`xjunior`	`annma: I'm asking in #kopete`
`12:23.31`	`pinotree`	`marko_d: please FIX your connection`
`12:23.47`	`xjunior`	`pinotree: I keep not understand what you mean by "cross-posting question"...`
`12:24.01`	`annma`	`in several channels`
`12:24.15`	`pinotree`	`xjunior: you asked the same question at the same time in different channels`
`12:24.29`	`xjunior`	`pinotree: yeah.....`
`12:24.37`	`xjunior`	`to different people, yeah`
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`12:25.14`	`pinotree`	`nah`
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`12:33.05`	`megahealth`	`hi, i have a problem here : http://rafb.net/p/YMpfa796.html`
`12:33.33`	`annma`	`new install? distro? kde version?`
`12:33.39`	`annma`	`doing what?`
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`12:39.10`	`lemma`	`pirho: I forgot to mention: I advise you upgrade to the latest version available - preferably 4.1.1 :)`
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`12:46.55`	`z0d14k`	`In Kate, there used to be a way to run multiple instances at the same time. I am running Kate 2.5.9 on KDE 3.5.9 (Ubuntu Hardy) and I can't find the setting anywhere......`
`12:47.09`	`z0d14k`	`Any ideas where I should look to find that?`
`12:47.24`	`annma`	`there are sessions now`
`12:47.34`	`annma`	`Session -> New`
`12:47.49`	`annma`	`I run pre-KDE 4.2 though`
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`12:48.08`	`z0d14k`	`I tried that. It replaces my current session with a new one.`
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`12:48.24`	`annma`	`try calling a new Kate then?`
`12:48.41`	`Jucato`	`z0d14k: edit the Kate menu entry in K Menu and remove the --use (or -U) flag in the command field`
`12:48.44`	`z0d14k`	`It brings the current session to the foreground.`
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`12:49.17`	`Jucato`	`annma: Kubuntu makes kate use --use by default`
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`12:49.40`	`annma`	`damn`
`12:49.44`	`z0d14k`	`that did it. Awesome. thanks Jucato and annma.`
`12:50.01`	`marcusU`	`Oh welll.`
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`13:17.45`	`oobe`	`hey i need to know what is the command to start the run dialouge i.e alt f2 in kde 3 i know its krunner in kde4 but i need to know what it is for kde3 so i can add it to my compiz bindings`
`13:17.55`	`annma`	`drag your app from K menu to desktop niklaswe`
`13:18.20`	`niklaswe`	`annma: oh okey.. but i cant find Terminal :p`
`13:18.31`	`annma`	`Terminal is not an app`
`13:18.34`	`annma`	`Konsole maybe`
`13:18.59`	`niklaswe`	`annma: no i know =)`
`13:19.08`	`pinotree`	`oobe: there's no own application -- that dialog is part of kdesktop, the kde application for handling the desktop`
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`13:28.59`	`ninix`	`emm.`
`13:29.15`	`ninix`	`my kwin doesn't start at startup, any hint ?`
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`13:29.23`	`ninix`	`(kde3)`
`13:29.32`	`annma`	`ninix: new problem?`
`13:29.33`	`hyper_ch`	`or rather who can I set kmail to set as sender the same email address that was used to send the mail to?`
`13:29.53`	`annma`	`hyper_ch: #kontact`
`13:30.03`	`hyper_ch`	`annma: thx :)`
`13:30.05`	`hyper_ch`	`#kontact`
`13:30.23`	`ninix`	`annma: yes`
`13:30.39`	`annma`	`what did you do then?`
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`13:30.56`	`ninix`	`just upgrading my kubuntu system`
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`13:31.16`	`annma`	`ask in #kubuntu then`
`13:31.25`	`annma`	`also try a new user`
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`13:32.28`	`ninix`	`ok`
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`13:34.03`	`oobe`	`pinotree, thanks`
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`13:47.32`	`dcrabs`	`Hi, can somebody tell me how to enable auto spellcheck in kate or kwrite? (KDE4.1)`
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`13:52.30`	`indietrash`	`hi. I'm on Gentoo and have made an ebuild for the hackedbox wm. but I cannot seem to find this in the kdm. the ebuild makes the hackedbox file in /etc/X11/Sessions properly, but it still doesn't show. any tips on what can be wrong? I'm on KDE 3.5.9`
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`14:01.17`	`Half-Left`	`indietrash: /usr/share/xsessions`
`14:01.25`	`Half-Left`	`try that`
`14:01.37`	`indietrash`	`looks right`
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`14:03.13`	`indietrash`	`I'm going to test it now. brb.`
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`14:06.51`	`indietrash`	`hi. it didn't help.`
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`14:46.00`	`funkyou`	`hi! does someone have an intel X4500 and got composite working?`
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`14:47.09`	`zhick`	`is git://git.overlays.gentoo.org/proj/kde.git down?`
`14:48.08`	`pinotree`	`zhick: ask in its gentoo channel`
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`14:49.31`	`zhick`	`pinotree: i did but nobody's answering`
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`14:50.24`	`zhick`	`pinotree: and since the channel-topic said "If we're too quiet try #kde"" i guess i'd try here ;)`
`14:50.44`	`pinotree`	`zhick: this is totally out of our responsabilities`
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`14:51.54`	`zhick`	`pinotree: too bad :>`
`14:52.06`	`annma`	`fortunately`
`14:53.19`	`networked`	`compiling kdelibs-4.1.1 on 64 bit.. at 98% where it is making up xml documents and it fails because it can't find dtd/kdex.dtd... any easy fix?`
`14:53.51`	`networked`	`it actually causes meinproc to segault`
`14:54.16`	`annma`	`pastebin exact error while doing make VERBOSE=1`
`14:54.23`	`annma`	`look topic for pastebin`
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`14:54.40`	`FreshPrince`	`hi`
`14:55.11`	`FreshPrince`	`i've installed kdebase.. but the entry with "startkde" in ~/.xinitrc does not work i can't find the correct phat`
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`14:55.34`	`annma`	`open a terminal`
`14:55.39`	`annma`	`type:`
`14:55.46`	`annma`	`kde4-config --prefix`
`14:55.50`	`annma`	`paste output`
`14:55.55`	`annma`	`is this kde4?`
`14:56.05`	`FreshPrince`	`annma: i'm on X (tty)`
`14:56.08`	`FreshPrince`	`kde4 yes`
`14:56.39`	`annma`	`so tupe what I said`
`14:56.42`	`annma`	`type`
`14:56.45`	`FreshPrince`	`i can't start my lovely kde :P`
`14:56.49`	`FreshPrince`	`ok`
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`14:57.08`	`FreshPrince`	`he says /usr`
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`14:57.29`	`annma`	`OK so your startkde is in /usr/bin`
`14:57.36`	`FreshPrince`	`oh ok`
`14:57.40`	`FreshPrince`	`i'll try`
`14:57.56`	`FreshPrince`	`no its not :(`
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`14:58.17`	`FreshPrince`	`even "locate startkde" gives me no output`
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`14:59.51`	`annma`	`what distro?`
`15:00.14`	`FreshPrince`	`arch`
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`15:00.35`	`annma`	`ask in their channel`
`15:00.40`	`annma`	`your install is broken`
`15:00.48`	`oobe`	`very good`
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`15:00.57`	`FreshPrince`	`k`
`15:01.04`	`SimAtWork`	`hey annma`
`15:01.05`	`Jejem`	`archlinux sucks.`
`15:01.18`	`SimAtWork`	`i'm using gentoo an di'm upgrading to 3.5.10 on x86_64`
`15:01.44`	`SimAtWork`	`and I keep getting packages that fail to compile/install with an error about emake $FUNCTION:functionname failed`
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`15:01.53`	`SimAtWork`	`or something like that.. trying to get another error message.`
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`15:02.57`	`oc2k1`	`Is there anyIRC client for KDE4.x ?`
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`15:07.57`	`SimAtWork`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:08.07`	`SimAtWork`	`that's the exact error, i this case for konq-plugins`
`15:08.14`	`SimAtWork`	`anyone know what that means? or is that a gentoo question?`
`15:08.19`	`oc2k1`	`which version?`
`15:08.26`	`SimAtWork`	`3.5.10`
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`15:08.52`	`oc2k1`	`paste the error`
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`15:10.23`	`SimAtWork`	`oc2k1: http://pastebin.com/d5b7556ff`
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`15:11.11`	`shevy`	`if i run kde, will i get more girls?`
`15:11.18`	`thiago`	`yes`
`15:12.12`	`oc2k1`	`paste more ..... or search in the history for the error`
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`15:12.55`	`SimAtWork`	`i tried to open the build.log it was talking about`
`15:12.57`	`SimAtWork`	`but it was empty`
`15:13.40`	`oc2k1`	`paste more of the output`
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`15:13.55`	`micettonero`	`hi`
`15:14.02`	`SimAtWork`	`ok. it'll be a few mins i did a resume --skipfirst so i lost the scroll back buffer`
`15:14.19`	`micettonero`	`kwallet asks me at the startup the password for kopete. How can i type it automatically?`
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`15:14.45`	`SimAtWork`	`micettonero: it's asking for the password for the wallet. i think if you set a blank password it'll stop asking.`
`15:14.45`	`thiago`	`kwallet asks you the password for the wallet`
`15:14.48`	`thiago`	`you have to type it`
`15:14.49`	`SimAtWork`	`micettonero: but that's not a good idea.`
`15:15.03`	`mfwitten`	`Is there no such thing as KGlobal anymore?`
`15:15.49`	`micettonero`	`ha ok`
`15:15.50`	`mfwitten`	`shevy: You'll get approximately 8 times as many girls, which means 0 ;-P`
`15:15.55`	`micettonero`	`thx`
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`15:17.30`	`CuBe0wL`	`hi all! I'm using debian unstable, and I use kde 3.5.9 After last week's update, a lot of my KDE apps start up very slowly`
`15:17.39`	`CuBe0wL`	`has anybody enconutered this problem yet?`
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`15:18.06`	`oc2k1`	`@SimAtWork: the error is somewhere above that message`
`15:19.01`	`CuBe0wL`	`applications I've found starting up really slow: konqueror, krusader, gwenview`
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`15:20.16`	`networked`	`http://rafb.net/p/tuJGdr54.html .. error compiling kdelibs-4.1.1 on 64 bit system`
`15:20.29`	`oobe`	`CuBe0wL, look in /var/log/syslog for thinsg`
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`15:21.55`	`oc2k1`	`@networked: try again.`
`15:22.17`	`networked`	`oc2k1 whatta mean?`
`15:22.26`	`oc2k1`	`the compiler crashed`
`15:22.35`	`networked`	`yeah it fails over and over`
`15:22.49`	`networked`	`i did a strace on it`
`15:23.05`	`networked`	`looks like it's related to xmllint and dtd/kdex.dtd`
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`15:32.50`	`CuBe0wL`	`oobe, my room mate said, I should start an iostate 1 and vmstat 1 while starting an application (he knows a lot more about linux administration then me). reading the output, he said there's no CPU usage happening when starting an app`
`15:33.07`	`CuBe0wL`	`oobe, what should I look for in syslog?`
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`15:34.54`	`SimAtWork`	`oc2k1: http://pastebin.com/d2f1c0320`
`15:34.58`	`bschindler`	`Hi - I just added the crystal monitor applet but I cannot move it around the screen (even when unlocked) - am I missing something?`
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`15:35.09`	`SimAtWork`	`oc2k1: this time it was koffice`
`15:35.57`	`oobe`	`CuBe0wL, just errors`
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`15:36.40`	`oobe`	`you can also try starting apps from the konsole and see if you get any messages while they start`
`15:37.06`	`oc2k1`	`line12 : maybe you have to update another package first`
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`15:38.35`	`networked`	`so no channels on compiler errors/fixes during build?`
`15:39.34`	`oc2k1`	`that isn't always so simple....`
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`15:47.02`	`networked`	`would an strace of the actual command failing help?`
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`15:47.54`	`annma`	`networked: issue "make VERBOSE=1"`
`15:48.09`	`annma`	`and repastebin with last compiling line`
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`15:48.37`	`networked`	`annma i posted link up above, you might have been afk`
`15:48.51`	`networked`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:49.47`	`annma`	`make VERBOSE=1?`
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`15:50.21`	`annma`	`and paste more`
`15:50.28`	`annma`	`I can't see what dir you're in`
`15:50.49`	`networked`	`ok`
`15:50.50`	`networked`	`hang on`
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`15:51.03`	`annma`	`that's the first thing to do`
`15:51.38`	`networked`	`annma I'm using redhat 4 system, which everything is a bit older on`
`15:51.48`	`networked`	`i did recompiler newer dependencies if needed`
`15:51.48`	`annma`	`that's not related`
`15:52.21`	`annma`	`you are building KDE and have a build error: do "make VERBOSE=1" and pastebin the full last compiling line and error`
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`15:53.03`	`networked`	`annma: I did "make VERBOSE=1" (without quotes)... http://rafb.net/p/kmWkxb12.html`
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`16:15.42`	`Mirra`	`how to create a standard patch for kde?`
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`16:19.06`	`aseigo`	`Mirra: from an svn checkout?`
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`16:19.29`	`luna1`	`hi :-) i have a problem in kde 3.5.9: i have installed support for my language (italian) then i go to Control Center/Regional & Accessibility/Country Region & Language, then when i select italian nothing happens. U.S. English (the standard one) remains and i can't add my language`
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`16:23.06`	`Mirra`	`aseigo: no from file a and file b`
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`16:36.59`	`aseigo`	`Mirra: ok.. so just use diff`
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`16:37.13`	`aseigo`	`Mirra: we prefer the unified diff format... diff -u3 usually does the trick =)`
`16:37.45`	`aseigo`	`Mirra: -wB is also nice (removes whitespace changes)`
`16:37.59`	`Mirra`	`aseigo: -u or -u3?`
`16:38.01`	`aseigo`	`er, -wbB`
`16:38.13`	`aseigo`	`Mirra: either one.. iirc 3 is the default value, so -u is good enough`
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`17:01.03`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hmm, I'm having some problems w/ kwallet`
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`17:01.16`	`Shirakawasuna`	`my default one, named 'kdewallet', no longer appears in the list to select the default wallet`
`17:02.05`	`Shirakawasuna`	`and all the symptoms you'd expect from that are getting annoying: can't save passwords, it wants to open old backup wallets, etc... I tried deleting the other wallets, but no luck`
`17:02.17`	`Shirakawasuna`	`it still has one of them as default, despite the fact that it's no longer there`
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`17:03.06`	`Shirakawasuna`	`k, hacked the rc file, it worked... bad kwalletmanager, bad!`
`17:04.36`	`damjan`	`when I start some GL application, I get black rectangles when some of the Plasma widgets repaint .. the rectangles are repainted in 1 sec by the GL application itself ubt its still very very ugly`
`17:04.47`	`damjan`	`I have a intel 945gm`
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`17:09.48`	`jthomas`	`I want to set up a rule in my KMail that, any emails coming to a specific address with 10+ people in the To line, get an auto response saying, "Due to SPAM and security concerns, this address does not accept mass-emails, please send such emails using the 'bcc' field of your email program'. Can anyone suggest a way to do this? I am guessing 'regular expression' but for a non-coder like me, this is anything but regular.`
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`17:24.33`	`damjan`	`jthomas: Im not sure reg-ex can count ... otherwise, you just need to count the @`
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`17:28.48`	`jthomas`	`yeah i don't know how to do that counting; in #kontact they said there is no end user support but that it is unlikely that kmail can do this, and that I would need an outside app to adjust the header before kmail got it, damjan`
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`17:36.38`	`_manki`	`Greetings all. Is there a shortcut key for pasting primary X selection? (alternative for middle-clicking the mouse)`
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`17:42.31`	`g-hennux`	`hi!`
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`17:42.43`	`g-hennux`	`i have a problem with my kontact in kde 3.5.9 (but been there since 3.5.x): everytime i open a contact in the kaddressbook component from my local addressbook and then close it again (using ok or cancel, with or without changing anything), kontact freezes for a couple of seconds and has an unacceptably high load`
`17:42.53`	`g-hennux`	`i assume this is related to kontact going nuts for half a minute when being closed; i can hardly do anything else during that time`
`17:42.58`	`g-hennux`	`the first problem only happens for local contacts, not for addressbooks on an imap server etc`
`17:43.05`	`caransac`	`Hey!`
`17:43.05`	`g-hennux`	`http://pastebin.com/d7f3ef7f3 -- and i don't think this is normal either`
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`17:47.14`	`aleskandro`	`hello`
`17:47.16`	`aleskandro`	`is there a way to have a jazz rythm as in finale with rosegarden?`
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`17:47.50`	`caransac`	`Hey, I have a problem, I belive with de "system tray". Some programs that are supposed to be minimized in the system tray like KnetworkManager, Kpowersave are not, and I have a very small window opened on the top lefthand corner instead`
`17:48.25`	`caransac`	`On the other hand I have Kopete that is minimised in the system tray`
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`17:54.23`	`g-hennux`	`update: i tried the action recommended here: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kdepim-users&m=118278918501656&w=2 and seems to work`
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`18:03.46`	`gkiagia`	`caransac: known bug, just log out and log in again`
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`18:16.40`	`wallshot`	`am i overlooking any irc app in kde4?`
`18:16.52`	`wallshot`	`seems ksirc has been ditched, and irc protocol has been commented out of kopete`
`18:17.33`	`wallshot`	`i'm back on a ncurses irc client, though I'd rather be using a kde4 app`
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`18:18.33`	`thiago_home`	`you can use konversation`
`18:18.48`	`thiago_home`	`the IRC protocol wasn't ported to KDE 4 because no one was interested in doing the work`
`18:18.53`	`wallshot`	`o sweet, haven't heard of that. i'll check it out, thanks`
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`18:19.15`	`thiago_home`	`konversation is a KDE 3 application`
`18:19.25`	`thiago_home`	`and ksirc wasn't purged out of the web`
`18:19.27`	`thiago_home`	`it's still there`
`18:19.47`	`wallshot`	`hrmz ... ksirc was part of my kde package, probably kdenetwork previously ... i though t...`
`18:19.57`	`thiago_home`	`install it again`
`18:20.10`	`wallshot`	`kdenetwork3 ...`
`18:20.20`	`wallshot`	`i have kdenetwork4 installed, but no ksirc got built with it`
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`18:20.32`	`thiago_home`	`ksirc isn't part of KDE 4's kdenetwork`
`18:20.34`	`thiago_home`	`that's correct`
`18:20.34`	`wallshot`	`at least, i think it was in the network package`
`18:20.46`	`thiago_home`	`but it wasn't purged out of the Internet. The KDE 3 versions are still around.`
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`18:20.49`	`thiago_home`	`use them if you like it.`
`18:21.21`	`wallshot`	`yeah ... i guess i may have to ... i was hoping to migrate off of kde3 apps.`
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`18:21.43`	`thiago_home`	`we haven't ported all apps`
`18:21.45`	`thiago_home`	`that will take years`
`18:21.56`	`Half-Left`	`quassel is a good IRC Qt4 app`
`18:22.02`	`wallshot`	`yah there's a lot of kde toys to rewrite i guess`
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`18:22.06`	`Half-Left`	`They just released 0.3.1`
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`18:22.33`	`wallshot`	`i'll take a peek at that then too`
`18:22.35`	`wallshot`	`thanks guys`
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`18:26.20`	`Vezir`	`so even though my sound is turned up in kmix, i still don't get any sound when using KDE`
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`18:34.57`	`picca`	`anyone know if kde 3.5.10 is planned or close to release ... i am thinking of compiling kde 3.5.9, but don't want to bother if 3.5.10 is released a week or two later`
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`18:35.21`	`Jejem`	`3.5.10 isn't already released?`
`18:35.38`	`Jejem`	`KDE 3.5.10 released.`
`18:35.38`	`Jejem`	`On 26th August 2008, the KDE community released the tenth update for the stable version of KDE. This release features updates to Kicker, KDE3's panel, fixes for KPDF and as with every stable KDE release, translation updates.`
`18:35.39`	`gaboo`	`picca: Jejem : it is`
`18:35.45`	`Jejem`	`so, picca :)`
`18:35.47`	`picca`	`lol`
`18:35.54`	`picca`	`how did i miss that`
`18:35.59`	`Jejem`	`26th august :p`
`18:36.04`	`Jejem`	`we're on 18th september`
`18:36.05`	`picca`	`lmao`
`18:36.05`	`Jejem`	`lol`
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`18:36.20`	`picca`	`i am getting on a bit`
`18:36.28`	`Jejem`	`sure`
`18:36.45`	`picca`	`may be it is time to use a distro and have all this done for me`
`18:39.15`	`Jejem`	`like gentoo =)`
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`18:40.32`	`Vezir`	`so why dio i get no sound in KDE 3.5.9? is it possibly becase i use pulseaudio?`
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`18:47.51`	`bfrog`	`is there a kde4 webkit based standalone browser?`
`18:48.14`	`anom01y`	`is there any way I can find out why my KDE user account crashes when I switch over to another user ?`
`18:48.23`	`bfrog`	`konqueror is nice and all... but it seems awefully buggy and firefox is annoying with the lack of integration`
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`18:48.56`	`anom01y`	`when I go to switch back to the first user, it is at the login screen..`
`18:49.01`	`anom01y`	`I am using kde 3.5.9`
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`18:51.00`	`anom01y`	`is there a log file or something I can check ?`
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`18:53.49`	`anom01y`	`I was thinking it might have something to do with user permissions.. but I am not sure`
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`18:54.40`	`anom01y`	`hello?`
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`18:56.49`	`gkiagia`	`anom01y: did you try changing vt with ctrl+alt+f7/f8 to see if the other user is there?`
`18:57.11`	`anom01y`	`yes`
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`18:57.21`	`anom01y`	`gkiagia: it seems to crash once in a while`
`18:57.31`	`anom01y`	`usually that is what I do to switch from one to the other`
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`18:57.56`	`anom01y`	`but once a day, or once every few days, the one that is not open crashes`
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`18:58.08`	`gkiagia`	`probably xorg crashes so I'd say the log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
`18:58.21`	`gkiagia`	`or /var/log/kdm.log`
`18:58.37`	`rizvan`	`kdelibs compile fails.. make[2]: *** [kio/kio/dummyanalyzers/CMakeFiles/dummy.dir/dummyanalyzers.o] Error 1`
`18:58.43`	`rizvan`	`svn`
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`18:59.22`	`gkiagia`	`rizvan: that's not the error itself, so we can't really help you with only that information`
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`19:00.03`	`anom01y`	`gkiagia: I am checking those files but I don't know what to look for regarding this issue, should I pastebin it so you can see the log files ??`
`19:00.22`	`rizvan`	`hi gkiagia, please see http://rafb.net/p/ysLqOW24.html`
`19:00.46`	`gkiagia`	`anom01y: Xorg.0.log is regenerated every time xorg starts so it is only useful right after the crash`
`19:01.02`	`gkiagia`	`(probably Xorg.0.log.old...)`
`19:01.11`	`gkiagia`	`but the kdm log might have something`
`19:01.43`	`anom01y`	`ahh I see a fatal server error aborting error at the bottom`
`19:03.10`	`gkiagia`	`rizvan: strange error, I thought char == signed char. what gcc and architecture is that?`
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`19:03.37`	`rizvan`	`root@superb:~# gcc --version`
`19:03.37`	`rizvan`	`gcc (GCC) 4.2.3`
`19:03.37`	`rizvan`	`Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.`
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`19:03.58`	`gkiagia`	`hm and why is this? ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config`
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`19:04.45`	`wallshot`	`assumes kde4-config wasn't in path?`
`19:04.53`	`gkiagia`	`what distro is this rizvan ?`
`19:05.23`	`rizvan_`	`slackware 12.x Linux superb 2.6.24.5-smp #2 SMP Wed Apr 30 13:41:38 CDT 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux`
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`19:06.00`	`anom01y`	`http://pastebin.ca/1205210 thats a log file`
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`19:07.20`	`soa2ii`	`Hi there. Since a couple of days my konqueror often shows websites without stylesheets... any ideas why?`
`19:07.34`	`soa2ii`	`If I reload the site, the stylesheet is often there.`
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`19:07.43`	`gkiagia`	`anom01y: right, it shows that xorg crashes but the backtrace isn't really useful, so it could be anything that causes it to crash`
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`19:08.34`	`anom01y`	`hmm could it be a permissions problem ? maybe something to do with the hardward I have ?`
`19:08.46`	`Pollywog`	`When I put my thumbdrive in the USB port on my machine, Autorun.inf is executed by Gnome, is there a way to get KDE to do this too?`
`19:09.13`	`sophacles_work`	`hi all, in 3.5.9, i have some keys set up to move windows around (pack). Is there a setting to honor the titlebar of a shaded wndow when packing?`
`19:09.48`	`gkiagia`	`rizvan: I found the problem, your strigi is too old`
`19:10.01`	`rizvan_`	`but it is installed from kdesupport 4.2svn`
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`19:10.14`	`gkiagia`	`rizvan: the latest version of that strigi include file says "signed char" as it should`
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`19:10.27`	`gkiagia`	`http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/strigi/src/streamanalyzer/streamendanalyzer.h?revision=849001&view=markup`
`19:11.04`	`gkiagia`	`rizvan: maybe you also have strigi installed from your distro's packages?`
`19:11.14`	`anom01y`	`gkiagia: so you have no suggestions ?`
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`19:11.46`	`gkiagia`	`anom01y: no, there is nothing useful in that log file`
`19:11.49`	`gkiagia`	`sorry`
`19:12.08`	`anom01y`	`is there any other log files ? that was the xorg log file, what about the kdm log file ?`
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`19:12.39`	`gkiagia`	`it's not a kdm problem as xorg crashes, so kdm.log is probably useless too`
`19:12.48`	`gkiagia`	`it may be a driver problem`
`19:13.02`	`gkiagia`	`do you have the latest nvidia driver?`
`19:13.21`	`anom01y`	`well I just did a dist-upgrade last week`
`19:13.21`	`rizvan_`	`gkiagia, http://rafb.net/p/eTMPIR36.html - my strigi`
`19:13.31`	`anom01y`	`pretty sure I have a recent one`
`19:13.58`	`rizvan_`	`http://rafb.net/p/XCH40x57.html - my kdesupport`
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`19:16.42`	`gkiagia`	`rizvan_: my fault. strigi is ok... there is something else going on there. I see there is a macro for the return type of that function in kdelibs`
`19:17.11`	`rizvan_`	`gkiagia, kdelibs was compiling 4 or 5 days ago`
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`19:19.07`	`Father_Fibula`	`ugh sound STILL won't work`
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`19:19.55`	`gkiagia`	`rizvan_: yeah, I can see the reason for that... there is a patch dated 5 days ago that changed this macro I am talking about`
`19:20.06`	`soa2ii`	`Can someone please help me? Konqueror really often just omits the stylesheets`
`19:20.20`	`rizvan_`	`gkiagia, who should i report that?`
`19:20.21`	`anom01y`	`gkiagia: maybe I should switch to xfce ?`
`19:20.23`	`kdepepo`	`soa2ii, dns problem?`
`19:20.33`	`anom01y`	`or would that crash too ?`
`19:20.39`	`anom01y`	`or gnome ?`
`19:21.07`	`rizvan_`	`Father_Fibula, which platform and which kde version?`
`19:21.51`	`Vezir`	`kde 3.5.9`
`19:21.59`	`Vezir`	`(2 user accounts both connected lol)`
`19:22.02`	`Vezir`	`ubuntu`
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`19:22.09`	`thiago_home`	`2`
`19:22.11`	`thiago_home`	`oops`
`19:22.54`	`wallshot`	`teh_repregnator: any luck with the honeys outside the abortion clinic today?`
`19:22.56`	`wallshot`	`omg`
`19:23.05`	`gkiagia`	`anom01y: the desktop environment is barely related to the crash. xfce would crash too`
`19:23.08`	`wallshot`	`that was so inappropriate, it shouldn't have gone to wrong channel :/`
`19:23.20`	`Vezir`	`hah`
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`19:23.37`	`anom01y`	`yeah thats what I thought because its an X server error`
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`19:24.16`	`rizvan_`	`soa2ii, please create a new user, login with the new user and test stylesheets (could be a problem with konqueror settings)`
`19:24.18`	`anom01y`	`here I was told to check ~/.xsession-error file regarding my problem`
`19:24.37`	`soa2ii`	`rizvan_: Hm... OK`
`19:24.39`	`gkiagia`	`rizvan_: I don't know.. maybe an email to kde-devel at kde.org ?`
`19:24.48`	`anom01y`	`http://pastebin.ca/1205228`
`19:25.56`	`rizvan_`	`thanks gkiagia. :)`
`19:26.38`	`anom01y`	`hmm one sec`
`19:26.38`	`anom01y`	`wrong pastebin`
`19:28.00`	`Father_Fibula`	`k so back on kde`
`19:28.00`	`anom01y`	`http://pastebin.ca/1205231`
`19:28.00`	`Father_Fibula`	`no sound still`
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`19:28.01`	`Father_Fibula`	`using pulseaudio on gnome`
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`19:31.32`	`gkiagia`	`anom01y: nothing useful from the first sight :(`
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`19:33.47`	`anom01y`	`hmm`
`19:33.53`	`anom01y`	`crappy`
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`19:41.23`	`elwood`	`hi guys`
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`19:41.52`	`hyper_ch`	`hi girl`
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`19:42.48`	`anom01y`	`gkiagia: I wonder what the log file from the other account says.. because it crashes more than this one`
`19:43.04`	`anom01y`	`but today this one crashed`
`19:45.34`	`anom01y`	`here I will pastebin the other logfile one sec`
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`19:50.09`	`moldy`	`hi`
`19:50.11`	`moldy`	`i have read that kivio can import dia stencil sets -- how?`
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`19:52.59`	`Jampiter`	`Hi`
`19:53.14`	`Jampiter`	`Where abouts can I download the default KDE startup sounds?`
`19:54.39`	`Jampiter`	`Thanks`
`19:55.47`	`thiago_home`	`with KDE`
`19:56.35`	`anom01y`	`Jampiter: check www.kde-apps.org`
`19:56.48`	`Jampiter`	`Thanks :)`
`19:56.49`	`Half-Left`	`Jampiter, kdebase-runtime>knotify>sounds`
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`19:57.11`	`Jampiter`	`Ah, excellent :) Thanks!`
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`20:00.50`	`Jampiter`	`Where abouts is KDE normally installed? (I'm using Kubuntu Hardy)`
`20:00.57`	`thiago_home`	`in /usr`
`20:01.12`	`Half-Left`	`/usr/lib/kde4`
`20:01.42`	`Jampiter`	`Thanks :)`
`20:01.59`	`thiago_home`	`or /opt/kde4`
`20:02.05`	`thiago_home`	`depends on your distro`
`20:02.13`	`thiago_home`	`by default KDE installs itself in /usr/local, though.`
`20:02.13`	`Jampiter`	`:)`
`20:02.19`	`gkiagia`	`kubuntu installs it in /usr/lib`
`20:02.33`	`Half-Left`	`Thats why I said that :)`
`20:02.40`	`thiago_home`	`and I answered generically`
`20:03.23`	`Half-Left`	`I use the sdame prefix as my distro would`
`20:03.29`	`Half-Left`	`same*`
`20:03.45`	`gkiagia`	thiago_home: the correct answer is `kde4-config --prefix` ;)
`20:03.56`	`Half-Left`	`which in Linux mint/Kubuntu(same packages) /usr/lib/kde4`
`20:04.13`	`Jampiter`	`Thanks for your help :D`
`20:05.05`	`Half-Left`	`gkiagia: Dont get to techical show off :p`
`20:05.25`	`gkiagia`	`:P`
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`20:06.35`	`Half-Left`	`Only the mighty can do that`
`20:06.52`	`gkiagia`	`that was an easy one`
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`20:08.33`	`Half-Left`	`works his way up to the mighty like pino`
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`20:08.50`	`pinotree`	`?`
`20:08.58`	`Half-Left`	`muhahaha`
`20:09.04`	`gkiagia`	`lol`
`20:09.14`	`SimAtWork`	`drags Half-Left back down into the mud.`
`20:09.52`	`Half-Left`	`sends his army at SimAtWork`
`20:10.38`	`SimAtWork`	`every time I attack someone it turns out they have their very own army, i am so unlucky :(`
`20:11.16`	`Half-Left`	`;P`
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`20:13.55`	`Half-Left`	`has 300 spartan kde warriors`
`20:14.10`	`thiago_home`	`SPAARTAAAA!!!`
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`20:15.25`	`MinceR`	`This... is... KDEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!`
`20:15.26`	`MinceR`	`;)`
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`20:19.55`	`cga`	`hi all`
`20:20.57`	`cga`	`anyone using kmail here??? it's my first time with it and i'd like to know how to import and download all the emails and folders from a webmail and delete them from the webmail to have them stored locally. thanks`
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`20:21.35`	`cga`	`i set up the account and now i have the emails in kmail but i don't know if they are permanently stored or what.`
`20:21.46`	`gkiagia`	`using what protocol? this is possible with pop3`
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`20:22.43`	`tuxick`	`if it's a crappy webmail`
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`20:23.01`	`elwood`	`well`
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`20:23.13`	`elwood`	`ksensors doesnt work, any alternative for kde4?`
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`20:24.00`	`gkiagia`	`gkrellm always works :P`
`20:24.12`	`elwood`	`:)`
`20:24.16`	`cga`	`gkiagia: pop3`
`20:24.39`	`cga`	`it's a squirrelmail of the company where i work`
`20:24.41`	`gkiagia`	`cga: if it is pop3, then the mails are already stored locally in your drive`
`20:24.42`	`cga`	`internal mail`
`20:24.50`	`cga`	`gkiagia: cool thanks =)`
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`20:31.05`	`Half-Left`	`cga: You can keep them stored on the server and only delete them locally`
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`21:14.16`	`kdepepo`	`nixternal, any progress on kubuntu package?`
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`21:18.39`	`Edenroz`	`hello all`
`21:18.47`	`Edenroz`	`where can i found new plasmas?`
`21:19.20`	`thiago_home`	`in SVN`
`21:19.30`	`Edenroz`	`i need to reinstall all?`
`21:19.35`	`thiago_home`	`no`
`21:19.51`	`thiago_home`	`just upgrade kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase`
`21:20.21`	`Edenroz`	`sudo apt-get install kdelibs kdepimlibs kdebase ?`
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`21:20.36`	`thiago_home`	`I meant compiling from source`
`21:20.46`	`pinotree`	`Edenroz: #kubuntu-kde4`
`21:20.47`	`thiago_home`	`if you want to install using your distribution's tools, you should ask in your distribution's channels`
`21:21.10`	`Edenroz`	`am under ubuntu 8.1,for new plasmas i have to compile all kde4?`
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`21:21.31`	`Edenroz`	`or just the kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase?`
`21:21.35`	`thiago_home`	`just those three`
`21:21.39`	`thiago_home`	`that gets you a new plasma`
`21:21.44`	`Edenroz`	`thanks a lot`
`21:21.56`	`pinotree`	`or just ask in the distro channel, if they do provide you upgrades`
`21:22.01`	`Edenroz`	`ican i found this package on kde.org?`
`21:22.11`	`thiago_home`	`yes`
`21:22.24`	`Edenroz`	`thanks a lot :D`
`21:22.27`	`thiago_home`	`but you should ask in your distro channel if they have it precompiled already`
`21:22.31`	`thiago_home`	`will save you a lot of time`
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`21:23.29`	`Edenroz`	`am using apt :D i have to reload session?`
`21:23.40`	`thiago_home`	`I am not using apt`
`21:23.45`	`Edenroz`	`kdepimlibs isnt on repository`
`21:23.55`	`thiago_home`	`yes it is`
`21:24.00`	`thiago_home`	`it is on the KDE Subversion repository`
`21:24.25`	`Edenroz`	`time to google! thanks`
`21:24.36`	`pinotree`	`Edenroz: what about asking in #kubuntu-kde4 ?`
`21:25.05`	`Edenroz`	`pinotree, good idea,dont know the channel yet`
`21:25.07`	`pinotree`	`Edenroz: that is the right channel for distro packages (already compiled ones)`
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`21:27.38`	`Edenroz`	`someone can give me please KDE Subversion repository address?`
`21:28.04`	`visi_`	`websvn.kde.org ?`
`21:28.15`	`lemma`	`Edenroz: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde`
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`21:28.50`	`Edenroz`	`i mean the address to add in /etc/apt/sources.list`
`21:29.02`	`pinotree`	`Edenroz: we don't provide distro packages`
`21:29.19`	`Edenroz`	`ah ok,i have to compile from source`
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`21:29.34`	`pinotree`	`Edenroz: or, (again) ask in the distro channel?`
`21:29.34`	`lemma`	`Edenroz: yes!`
`21:29.38`	`visi_`	`Edenroz: look for your distro package`
`21:29.39`	`visi_`	`s`
`21:29.41`	`pinotree`	`why don't you listen to me?`
`21:30.07`	`Edenroz`	`because i my distro channel no one answer :(`
`21:30.17`	`pinotree`	`be patient`
`21:30.33`	`visi_`	`what distro ?`
`21:30.46`	`Edenroz`	`am under ubuntu 8.1`
`21:30.53`	`Edenroz`	`8.4`
`21:30.57`	`visi_`	`8.10 ?`
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`21:31.19`	`visi_`	`Edenroz: there is a project that provide fresh kubuntu packages`
`21:31.21`	`visi_`	`for kde4`
`21:31.25`	`Edenroz`	`visi_, 8.4,bad tiped`
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`21:31.27`	`visi_`	`neon project`
`21:31.35`	`Edenroz`	`thank visi_`
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`21:32.14`	`mbostwick89`	`hey any one know why kde dosnt work with emerge right now?`
`21:32.29`	`visi_`	`mbostwick89: AFAIK there is a overlay repo`
`21:32.36`	`mbostwick89`	`its masked because the file size is wrong....`
`21:32.44`	`pinotree`	`mbostwick89: #gentoo-kde please`
`21:32.50`	`mbostwick89`	`ok thanks`
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`21:39.28`	`Edenroz`	`hello all! how can i add a new bar?`
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`21:39.55`	`milosz_o`	`help`
`21:40.01`	`milosz_o`	`oops`
`21:40.05`	`Half-Left`	`New bar?`
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`21:40.19`	`lemma`	`Edenroz: make sure your widgets are unlocked, then right-click on either the existing panel or the desktop and choose "add new panel"`
`21:40.56`	`Edenroz`	`i dont have this option :( am under ubuntu 8.4+kde4.0`
`21:41.16`	`Half-Left`	`You need to upgrade to 4.1`
`21:41.27`	`Edenroz`	`no distro package right?`
`21:42.00`	`Half-Left`	`There is but this is not the channel to ask`
`21:42.06`	`Edenroz`	`ok,time to google it!`
`21:43.20`	`Edenroz`	`where can i find some information about upgrade to 4.1?`
`21:43.53`	`lemma`	`Edenroz: well, that's unfortunately really entirely up to your distribution`
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`21:44.12`	`gkiagia`	`Edenroz: #kubuntu-kde4`
`21:44.17`	`lemma`	`Edenroz: it's like this. KDE developers create the software, the distributors take the source code and make packages to distribute to end users`
`21:44.43`	`lemma`	`Edenroz: KDE doesn't provide packages to end-users, so the upgrade procedure is entirely up to kubuntu`
`21:47.23`	`Edenroz`	`i understand,sorry for the stupid question`
`21:47.32`	`Edenroz`	`i find a repository with kde4.1 :D`
`21:48.02`	`Half-Left`	`Well they have contribute directory`
`21:48.38`	`lemma`	`Edenroz: no problem. there's no stupid questions.`
`21:48.55`	`lemma`	`gah well, sometimes there are`
`21:49.25`	`elwood`	`Edenroz: i have that option in my kde4 under ubuntu.`
`21:49.34`	`lilltiger`	`naa there is no stupid questions.. only stupid people.. :P`
`21:50.29`	`Edenroz`	`elwood, hi elwooood`
`21:52.47`	`Edenroz`	`restart`
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`21:56.24`	`Edenroz`	`last problem : i dont have the icon the the k menu for folder`
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`21:58.01`	`lemma`	`Edenroz: which folder? sorry, I don't get it. can you maybe take a screenshot and paste it to imageshack?`
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`21:58.20`	`Edenroz`	`all folder,just a second for scrren`
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`22:01.03`	`Edenroz`	`http://digilander.libero.it/cremonateam/screen.jpg`
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`22:01.41`	`Edenroz`	`lemma, the link up`
`22:02.29`	`lemma`	`Edenroz: strange indeed. check for the oxygen icons package and if that's installed correctly`
`22:03.24`	`Edenroz`	`kde-icons-oxygen wasnt installed,installing now`
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`22:04.28`	`elwood`	`Edenroz: i did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
`22:04.49`	`Edenroz`	`elwood, i installed only core :P`
`22:05.13`	`elwood`	`Edenroz: hardy or ibex?`
`22:05.40`	`Edenroz`	`elwood, hardy`
`22:05.57`	`Edenroz`	`lemma, still dont work,try to reload session`
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`22:08.14`	`Edenroz`	`omg new probem...no border on windows`
`22:08.33`	`elwood`	`Edenroz: kwin?`
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`22:09.11`	`lemma`	`elwood: yes, judging from the screenshot that's kwin`
`22:09.45`	`elwood`	`he's building piece from piece, it will be a long night for him`
`22:12.04`	`hdevalence`	`In systemsettings>advanced>audiocd, there is a config option for mp3 and ogg, but not falc. does this not exist or is there some addon i can install?`
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`22:12.37`	`Edenroz`	`am back again with kwin work! but my icon on kmenu dont appera`
`22:13.46`	`elwood`	`apt-get install kubuntu-artwork`
`22:14.20`	`Edenroz`	`not in my rep :(`
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`22:15.46`	`pinotree`	`(again, #kubuntu-kde4)`
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`22:16.40`	`Edenroz`	`wow,when i open a folder it is open in rythmbox :D`
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`22:18.32`	`lemma`	`giggles`
`22:18.40`	`lemma`	`(sorry, couldn't help it)`
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`22:22.13`	`dexen`	`hello`
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`22:24.00`	`dexen`	`i'm having problems with binary packages of 4.1.1, namely, plasma's unable to load various plugins`
`22:24.00`	`dexen`	`claims version mismatch`
`22:24.00`	`dexen`	`not sure whether it's distro specific problem (on distro's channel they know nothing of such issue) or KDE specific one`
`22:24.47`	`dexen`	`i have no panel on the bottom of screen, no wallpaper and the krunner won't start anything (can't load plugins)`
`22:25.37`	`pinotree`	`dexen: it looks like a distro packaging problem`
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`22:28.53`	`dexen`	`krunner(21077)/libplasma Plasma::RunnerManagerPrivate::loadRunners: failed to load runner: "Command Line" . error reported:"" krunner(21077)/libplasma Plasma::isPluginVersionCompatible: plugin is compiled against incompatible Plasma version 4294967295`
`22:28.57`	`dexen`	`errors like this one >_>;;`
`22:29.44`	`pinotree`	`did you compile anything on your own?`
`22:30.56`	`dexen`	`nope`
`22:31.14`	`pinotree`	`then it is a problem of your distro packages`
`22:31.19`	`dexen`	those are binary packages of kde 4.1.1, first compilation (-1) in slackware's `testing/'
`22:31.23`	`dexen`	`allright`
`22:31.26`	`pinotree`	`(thus you should ask in the distro channel)`
`22:31.31`	`dexen`	`thanks for assistance :)`
`22:31.32`	`dexen`	`i'`
`22:31.50`	`dexen`	`i did it first :) but they wern't very informed on the matter`
`22:32.02`	`dexen`	`seems they're more into vim and emacs, if you know what i mean ;)`
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`22:32.43`	`dexen`	`anyway, thanks and goodnight`
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`22:35.21`	`GNU\colossus`	`[kde 3.5.10] - how do I enable "Hibernate" and "Shutdown" in KDE's logoff menu?`
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`22:40.14`	K`zan	`Anyone have an idea on fixing / getting rid of this daily irritation: Window with title "Error" is not responding. This window belongs to application system-config-printer-applet-kde (PID=7684, hostname=localhost).`
`22:40.43`	K`zan	`Happens every day when I startup about 10 minutes after everything is up and running :-(.`
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`22:41.14`	K`zan	`AFAIK, I have not started the system-config-printer-applet?!?`
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`22:45.53`	`gkiagia`	K`zan: must be some application of your distro.. I've never heard of it
`22:47.38`	K`zan	`gkiagia: KUbombu :) and yes, probably. #kubuntu has no idea and google continues to be less useful daily unless you want to buy something :-(.`
`22:48.16`	`g2g591`	K`zan: well, you could try killing it . kill -9 7684
`22:48.55`	`gkiagia`	K`zan: are you using trunk?
`22:49.04`	K`zan	`g2g591: It commits suicide about 10 minutes after every startup all by itself.`
`22:49.13`	`gkiagia`	K`zan: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-print&m=120612075205128&w=2
`22:49.20`	K`zan	`Never could find the damn autostart folder for kde :-(.`
`22:49.32`	`gkiagia`	`in 4.1 it's in systemsettings`
`22:49.33`	`g2g591`	`now that is strange`
`22:49.51`	K`zan	`gkiagia: Not that I know of, just kubuntu 8.?04? updated as it comes.`
`22:49.59`	K`zan	`g2g591: Yes, sigh, it is.`
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`22:50.23`	K`zan	`gkiagia: Tried 4.1 and it seems terminally less functional than 3.x :-(.`
`22:51.23`	K`zan	`I presume it isn't fully implemented yet. Been with KDE forever so eventually I'll get there :).`
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`22:52.18`	`g2g591`	K`zan: well, check ~/.kde/Autostart . or check /usr/share/autostart
`22:52.47`	`elwood`	`some of mines are in /etc/xdg/autostart`
`22:52.53`	K`zan	`g2g591: Thank you VERY much Sir!`
`22:52.55`	`elwood`	`as knetworkmanager`
`22:54.22`	K`zan	`g2g591: Nothing in ~/.kde/Autostart and nothing that looks like it in /usr/share/autostart, but checking more closely.`
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`22:55.34`	`g2g591`	`ah well, nothing like failbuntu for kde packaging`
`22:56.18`	K`zan	`g2g591: Sigh, I know, not really enthralled with ubombu but the advertising hype lead me to try it - got a number of problems - even updater blows up :-(.`
`22:56.44`	`g2g591`	K`zan: you might want to try Opensuse
`22:56.56`	K`zan	`Not sure where to go with a distro. Debian would be nice except it is missing much I use and iceweasel :).`
`22:57.10`	K`zan	`Tries 10.1 and it was worse than this - almost wouldn't install.`
`22:57.14`	K`zan	`tried`
`22:57.30`	`gkiagia`	`iceweasel? what's wrong with that?`
`22:57.43`	`g2g591`	`11.0 is far better than 10.x , i know. I tried 10.3 and it sucked horribly , but 11.0 is vastly improved`
`22:58.10`	K`zan	`Probably the best operationally was gentoo, but updates kept breaking all sorts of stuff. Left it alone after weeks of fixing crap :-( and it ran as a server for over 9 months before I replaced it.`
`22:58.56`	`g2g591`	`Arch is good too if you're experianced enough to use gentoo`
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`22:59.12`	K`zan	`Biggest BITCH with iceweasel is it asking if you want to restore session every startup - of course I do, that is why I left it running on shutdown :-). No options that I have been able to find to make that a default on that box.`
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`22:59.38`	K`zan	`g2g591: Will haveto look at that now that I have a spare box :)! Thanks!`
`22:59.39`	`gkiagia`	`isn't that the same with firefox?`
`22:59.46`	`gkiagia`	`I thought they were the same`
`22:59.56`	K`zan	`gkiagia: Not under ubuntu anyway- just starts back up.`
`23:00.05`	`g2g591`	K`zan: actualyl, iceweasel IS an unbranded version of firefox
`23:00.07`	`gkiagia`	`I see... ubuntu patches`
`23:00.18`	K`zan	`Does not restore but that is the way I want it.`
`23:00.56`	K`zan	`g2g591: That is what is perplexing about it :-(. Should be the same but it gotta nag you every day :-(.`
`23:00.58`	`g2g591`	K`zan: arch calls its firefox (3) gran paradiso (but theres a script to make it normal firefox on their forums)
`23:01.09`	K`zan	`gkiagia: Loosing faith in ubuntu, to be honest :-(.`
`23:01.28`	`gkiagia`	K`zan: I never had faith on it ;)
`23:01.30`	K`zan	`g2g591: Making notes for these things.`
`23:01.34`	`gkiagia`	`btw, we are way of topic ;)`
`23:01.40`	`g2g591`	`ubuntu is good, for gnome . but it kinda sucks as far as kde goes`
`23:01.41`	`gkiagia`	`off*`
`23:01.46`	K`zan	`gkiagia: Well, they do have an EXCELLENT marketing hype :)`
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`23:02.11`	K`zan	`g2g591: LOL, may be, but I am a died-in-the-wool KDEer :).`
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`23:02.48`	`g2g591`	`yeah, theres something about gnome that I just don't like`
`23:03.16`	`root__`	`ola`
`23:03.24`	K`zan	`g2g591: Same here, it is just even more klunky than m$ and I have tried it several times.`
`23:04.05`	K`zan	`Got it running with the EMC distro and fortunately it does ok just running the machine controller but everything else about it, is, sigh, gnome :-/.`
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`23:04.11`	`g2g591`	`its not that its klunky for me ,its that it just looks bad.. something about how it renders, ive tried different themes`
`23:05.15`	K`zan	`g2g591: Compared to kde is it clunky, to me anyway. Not unusable, just seems a lot more work for average tasks. May just be me :). Been a KDE junky almost since day 1 :-) :-) :-).`
`23:06.50`	`bonsaikitten`	`I kinda liked gnome, but then the features that made it nice were removed without any replacement, it became slower and ... ah well.`
`23:06.54`	`bonsaikitten`	`KDE <3`
`23:09.00`	K`zan	`bonsaikitten: Dunno, just was never able to get into it. I'm just hoping what I saw of KDE4 doesn't mean all the functionality has been removed in the interest of speed or something. Seemed to be much missing from the version I installed from the kubuntu4 CD...`
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`23:09.23`	`bonsaikitten`	K`zan: well, kde4 is practically a rewrite, so what is missing has not been ported / written
`23:09.44`	`bonsaikitten`	`whereas gnome has kept the same codebase and incrementally cut out pieces ... different ideology :)`
`23:10.49`	K`zan	`bonsaikitten: THat is GOOD news :). Figured it was something like that as I have quite a bit of faith as well as history with KDE :). Any idea when they will catch up to 3 as it is functionality wise?`
`23:11.24`	`bonsaikitten`	K`zan: "patches welcome" - things move at a furious pace, but it will still take some time
`23:11.42`	`clusby`	`Is anyone aware of the major reason kde went with cmake instead of scons?`
`23:11.45`	K`zan	`bonsaikitten: Something to be said for doing it right.`
`23:12.16`	`bonsaikitten`	`clusby: scons causes hair loss and nervous twitches`
`23:12.19`	K`zan	`Been so long now since I did coding, I'd almost have to start over. Safer for me to stick with C/ASM for the microcontroller stuff.`
`23:12.24`	`Sput`	`cmake just works`
`23:12.32`	`clusby`	`haha good enough reasons for me :-)`
`23:12.44`	K`zan	`"Newer therefore better" ain't always the case...`
`23:13.19`	`bonsaikitten`	`Sput: s/just/barely/`
`23:13.44`	`Sput`	`bonsaikitten: stop bitching about tools you use without understanding them :)`
`23:13.55`	`bonsaikitten`	`if people had spent half the time that went into qmake/cmake/... on making autotools easier to understand we'd have less of a mess`
`23:14.15`	`bonsaikitten`	`Sput: so using cmake to generate a makefile you run with make, which calls cmake again, is sane? ;)`
`23:14.32`	`Sput`	`bonsaikitten: It Works [tm]`
`23:14.54`	`bonsaikitten`	`Sput: har. har.`
`23:14.56`	K`zan	`LOL`
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`23:24.04`	`thiblahute`	`Hi,`
`23:25.28`	`thiblahute`	`I am now a kde4 user and a computer science student. I would like to participate in kde development.`
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`23:28.32`	`lemma`	`thiblahute: that's great!`
`23:28.33`	`bonsaikitten`	`thiblahute: that is a good idea :) Anything you want to work on?`
`23:28.47`	`lemma`	`shakes his fist at bonsaikitten for asking the question he was about to ask`
`23:28.52`	`kdepepo`	`thiblahute, do you know C++/Qt ?`
`23:29.06`	`bonsaikitten`	`lemma: and I'm only a talented lurker! ;)`
`23:29.17`	`lemma`	`heh`
`23:29.32`	`Sput`	`bonsaikitten is stalking me :(`
`23:29.47`	`bonsaikitten`	`Sput: 'cause you're sexy`
`23:29.50`	`bonsaikitten`	`wait, what?!`
`23:30.11`	`Sput`	`runs`
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`23:30.39`	`kdepepo`	`clusby, http://www.google.com/search?q=why+kde+switch+cmake`
`23:32.04`	`rsff`	`hello there how can i make that system sound works in kde??`
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`23:52.43`	`TwinReverb`	`anyone ever see kontact go on a never-ending "fetch mail"?`
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