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| 00:02.26 | octox2 | can you run a plasmiod by clicking a .desktop file ? |
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| 00:08.05 | octox2 | i downloaded a .skz file on kdelook , andthe instucktions to runthe plasma binary were to add widget from file, but plasma doesnt let me use it ? |
| 00:08.24 | octox2 | maybe that is the wrong download ? |
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| 00:13.48 | octox2 | after i compile and install a plasmoid binary, how do i run it ? |
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| 00:14.33 | ascizo | _lemma: sorry. i had to fix the keyboard. i didn't like some color themes, as they used same background and foreground colors in konqueror address field etc |
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| 00:16.19 | pal | who know why kcontrol no launches? |
| 00:16.47 | pal | I entered it in command line but nothing found |
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| 00:18.17 | pal | are anybody could help? |
| 00:20.40 | pinotree | pal: which kde version are you using? |
| 00:20.56 | pal | kde 4.1 |
| 00:21.14 | pinotree | there's no kcontrol, but systemsettings |
| 00:22.07 | pal | but before I used when my core was 2.6.26 |
| 00:22.26 | pinotree | kde has no relation with the linux kernel |
| 00:23.07 | pal | but I dont understand how it works before |
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| 00:23.17 | pinotree | probably you used kde3? |
| 00:23.28 | pal | something happened when I installed new core |
| 00:23.45 | pinotree | as i said, there's no kcontrol in kde4 |
| 00:23.49 | pal | no Mandriva 2009 dont have kde3 |
| 00:24.05 | pinotree | probably you waere using kde3, or having kde3's kcontrol installed |
| 00:24.08 | pinotree | *were |
| 00:24.34 | pal | so when I update system its removed? |
| 00:24.48 | pinotree | that's something you should ask in your distro channel |
| 00:26.25 | pal | what output device I should use first when playing music, I see now first stay Pulse Audio Sound Server |
| 00:27.38 | pal | maybe hw:0,0? |
| 00:27.59 | pal | or hw: 0.1? |
| 00:28.16 | friedrich| | whatever are your front speakers |
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| 00:28.55 | pal | should be ALSA sound first i think |
| 00:28.56 | Alumin | how do I configure an LDAP server? It's somewhere in the system settings, but I can never remember where |
| 00:29.47 | Alumin | I went into KAddressbook, to the LDAP section, but nothing's listed there...but I know it's configured somewhere because I'm getting authentication errors (I previously had it set up, but my password has changed which I assume explains the errors) |
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| 00:36.33 | Alumin | ah I found it, it's under "KDE Resources", it just was set to "Calendar" by default and I needed to set it to "Contacts" |
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| 00:39.29 | pal | this issue urpmi -auto -update better to do when X off? |
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| 00:45.35 | Mebibyte | how do I reset the taskbar? |
| 00:45.38 | Mebibyte | got fucked lol |
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| 00:46.34 | Alumin | define "reset" |
| 00:47.47 | Mebibyte | fuck it and run it again |
| 00:47.48 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 00:47.53 | Mebibyte | my tasks disappeared |
| 00:48.07 | Mebibyte | and I see the clipboard icon and something like a bell with a window in the back |
| 00:48.10 | Mebibyte | there in the middle |
| 00:48.25 | Mebibyte | the clock moved a bit to the left |
| 00:48.26 | Mebibyte | ^^ |
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| 00:53.47 | morgish | So I just tried to upgrade from 3.5.7 to 4.1, I used the 'One Click' install for SUSE from the webpage.. everything appeared to work fine.. but when I start my VNC session it still loads 3.5 |
| 00:54.19 | morgish | I have rebooted (Even though I thought I shouldn't have to) this should cancle out anything to do with VNC or X currently running |
| 00:54.25 | morgish | is there something I can check? |
| 00:55.11 | bonsaikitten | morgish: vnc uses its own startup scripts |
| 00:55.19 | bonsaikitten | ~/.vnc/xinitrc I think |
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| 00:58.04 | morgish | bonsaikitten, yep.. .vnc/xstartup |
| 00:58.08 | morgish | but all it has is KDE in it |
| 00:58.16 | morgish | should i change that to KDE4 or something alike? |
| 00:58.53 | bonsaikitten | most likely you'll have to change it |
| 00:58.58 | bonsaikitten | but I'm unaware of the details |
| 00:59.02 | morgish | hrm ok |
| 00:59.04 | morgish | i'll google |
| 00:59.05 | morgish | cheers |
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| 01:13.36 | fengshaun | anyone willing to give me suggestions on how I can improve http://code.google.com/p/onlinetictactoe further? |
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| 01:16.53 | Mebibyte | no way of fucking the task bar? |
| 01:16.53 | Mebibyte | lol |
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| 01:31.10 | victorvinicius | lol |
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| 01:33.45 | Devourer | How can I see what version of KDE I am running? |
| 01:34.32 | AlexElliott | Help > About KDE in practically and KDE app |
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| 01:35.05 | AlexElliott | kde-config --version also has it |
| 01:35.58 | fengshaun | AlexElliott: kde-config --version shows I have 3.5.9, which is very inaccurate! |
| 01:36.13 | Jucato | kde4-config for KDE 4 |
| 01:37.12 | fengshaun | Jucato: that works! |
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| 01:41.17 | Devourer | Is there recommended system requirements for running KDE 4? |
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| 01:45.34 | luke-jr | Devourer: latest and greatest, with Intel graphics |
| 01:46.23 | Devourer | luke-jr, would having something besides an integrated graphics card help? |
| 01:46.41 | luke-jr | Devourer: afaik, Intel graphics are ONLY integrated |
| 01:46.54 | luke-jr | and KDE 4 is buggy with ATi still |
| 01:47.03 | luke-jr | and those are about the only two real competitors in the Linux market |
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| 01:47.52 | Devourer | luke-jr, do you mean Nvidia? |
| 01:48.34 | luke-jr | Devourer: no, nVidia isn't really in the Linux market |
| 01:48.35 | Devourer | And that didn't answer my previous question of having an Nvidia/ATI graphics card would be better than an Intel integrated graphics card. Lol. |
| 01:48.51 | luke-jr | integrated Intel is about the best you can do for KDE 4 on Linux right now |
| 01:48.57 | luke-jr | ATi will hopefully be fixed soon |
| 01:48.57 | AlexElliott | It depends on the viewpoint, if you don't mind a binary blob historically nvidia has had better support (and I'm told they're looking to fix some of the current issues in driver r177) |
| 01:49.02 | luke-jr | nVidia might come around someday |
| 01:49.12 | luke-jr | AlexElliott: binary blobs aren't Linux |
| 01:49.17 | AlexElliott | If you're a purist, you have to go intel or ATI. |
| 01:49.35 | AlexElliott | So you fall into the latter category |
| 01:49.57 | Devourer | luke-jr, so... if you are running Linux using an NVIDIA graphics card you are... defying the laws of physics? |
| 01:49.57 | luke-jr | binary blobs mean BSD |
| 01:50.15 | luke-jr | Devourer: no, if you're runnign Linux with nVidia card, you have software 3D |
| 01:50.22 | luke-jr | not accelerated |
| 01:50.27 | Jucato | ... |
| 01:50.33 | Devourer | Anyways. |
| 01:50.48 | Devourer | AlexElliott, do you recommend me getting a graphics card for running KDE 4 more smoothly? |
| 01:51.15 | Jucato | 1.5GHz 512MB RAM. the biggest consideration *for now* would be the graphics card *if* you plan on using desktop effects |
| 01:51.27 | Jucato | I'd say that would be a comfortable minimum |
| 01:51.47 | Jucato | luke-jr: they also call it "binary blobs" in Linux |
| 01:51.53 | AlexElliott | I wouldn't comment, not a user, things have worked well enough on a 7600GT or a 8400M in my experience, but I didn't keep those around for long. |
| 01:52.07 | luke-jr | Jucato: except that combination isn't legal |
| 01:52.15 | Devourer | I think it would be desktop effects being the only thing that makes KDE 4 feel choppy. |
| 01:52.37 | luke-jr | Devourer: an integrated Intel chipset should be fine |
| 01:53.00 | Devourer | Switching between desktops seems to look painful. |
| 01:53.19 | Devourer | I guess I should investigate in the desktop effects. |
| 01:53.38 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 01:53.41 | AlexElliott | Legal or not, Linus doesn't have an interest in prosecuting |
| 01:53.45 | AlexElliott | He leaves the choice to the user |
| 01:54.08 | Jucato | it's not all that bad. a friend running KDE 4.2 (out January) with the latest Nvidia drivers says that things are really going well |
| 01:54.48 | Devourer | ATI drivers are open source? |
| 01:55.15 | AlexElliott | There is an open source driver, there's also their binary blob iirc |
| 01:55.18 | Jucato | Devourer: there are open source and there are closed source |
| 01:55.26 | luke-jr | Devourer: yes |
| 01:55.29 | Devourer | Is there any difference? |
| 01:55.38 | Devourer | Performance wise. |
| 01:55.43 | luke-jr | Devourer: the open source ones are still beta-quality past 9250 |
| 01:55.53 | Jucato | lots. but I'm not sure in ATI. |
| 01:56.01 | Mebibyte | is it my imagination or KDE works better and more fast in 3 than in 4? |
| 01:56.01 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 01:56.10 | Jucato | in nvidia, the open source driver (nv) doesn't do 3D hardware acceleration |
| 01:56.17 | Devourer | Mebibyte, I don't think it is. |
| 01:56.26 | Jucato | Mebibyte: in some cases, it might |
| 01:56.30 | Mebibyte | Dunno but that Okular or whatever to see pdf is really slow |
| 01:56.31 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 01:56.35 | Mebibyte | i loved kPDF |
| 01:56.36 | Mebibyte | haahha |
| 01:56.36 | Devourer | I mean, you can turn off the desktop effects. |
| 01:56.39 | luke-jr | KDE 4's zoom feature is Slooooooooow |
| 01:56.44 | luke-jr | in Konqueror |
| 01:56.56 | Mebibyte | I tried now to see a pdf |
| 01:57.02 | Mebibyte | it opens it with a viewer called okular |
| 01:57.04 | Mebibyte | and well |
| 01:57.09 | Mebibyte | when I move the page a bit |
| 01:57.12 | Mebibyte | I have to wait... lol |
| 01:57.17 | luke-jr | try the same PDF in 3 |
| 01:57.19 | Jucato | okulr *is* kpdf++ |
| 01:57.27 | Jucato | okular* |
| 01:57.28 | luke-jr | some PDFs are slower than others |
| 01:57.40 | luke-jr | we need a third player for a glob2 game |
| 01:57.43 | luke-jr | anyone interested? |
| 01:57.45 | Mebibyte | in 3 what? |
| 01:57.46 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 01:57.46 | Jucato | and different backend |
| 01:58.12 | Jucato | wonders if Mebibyte can finish a sentence without saying lol... |
| 01:58.23 | Devourer | Jucato, do you think Konqueror will switch over to WebKit in the future or will they still maintain an develop KHTML? |
| 01:58.26 | luke-jr | I saw him do it earlier |
| 01:58.26 | Mebibyte | Jucato: somedays.. |
| 01:58.42 | luke-jr | Devourer: KHTML and WebKit are not merged yet; KHTML is superior in a few ways still |
| 01:58.51 | luke-jr | and the WebKitPart is ⦠not reliable |
| 01:58.52 | Devourer | Mebibyte had 27 Red Bulls. |
| 01:59.15 | Devourer | luke-jr, they are going to merge into one consciousness eventually? |
| 01:59.24 | luke-jr | Devourer: I can't predict the future. |
| 01:59.30 | Jucato | Devourer: nothing's decided yet. but KDE 4 will not switch to anything other than KHTML for various reasons, such as compatibility throught the whole KDE 4 release |
| 01:59.32 | Devourer | luke-jr, are there plans? |
| 01:59.42 | luke-jr | Devourer: plans for WebKit as an alternative |
| 02:00.07 | Devourer | Is KHTML still actively developed? |
| 02:00.11 | Jucato | yes |
| 02:00.15 | Jucato | always |
| 02:00.28 | Mebibyte | Devourer: I never drink that... |
| 02:00.39 | Devourer | Mebibyte, I don't believe you. |
| 02:00.55 | Mebibyte | I never take red bull :( |
| 02:01.36 | Mebibyte | but about 2 and a half coffee jars |
| 02:01.37 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 02:01.59 | Devourer | Jucato, do you think KJS will incorporate features from the V8 Javascript engine? |
| 02:02.23 | luke-jr | SquirrelFish might be better |
| 02:02.28 | Jucato | dunno. but Frostbyte was released way before that V8 thing |
| 02:02.39 | Jucato | and they're quite similar |
| 02:02.42 | luke-jr | heh |
| 02:02.59 | Jucato | (frostbyte is the kjs bytecode thingy) |
| 02:03.18 | Devourer | Jucato, oh. |
| 02:03.21 | luke-jr | Jucato: merged? |
| 02:03.23 | Jucato | anyway, I'm no khtml dev |
| 02:03.31 | Jucato | luke-jr: since 4.1 iirc |
| 02:03.41 | luke-jr | nice |
| 02:03.44 | aseigo | figures that the chrome js stuff will end up merged into webkit if it pans out to be as good as it seems |
| 02:03.50 | Jucato | might be wrong, but that's what I remember |
| 02:03.54 | Devourer | Jucato, I'm just wondering if KDE likes to make its own stuff. |
| 02:04.10 | Mebibyte | what could a programmer can do for the KDE team? ^^ |
| 02:04.20 | aseigo | Mebibyte: lots =) |
| 02:04.34 | Mebibyte | yeah... but every compile will take about like 25 hours like my KDE4 did? |
| 02:04.34 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 02:04.37 | Jucato | Devourer: sure why not. if that own stuff is better and is the best for KDE. :) |
| 02:04.39 | Devourer | Jucato, is it relatively easy to keep a codebase parallel to another, like KHTML to WebKit so that they both benefit from patches? |
| 02:04.46 | aseigo | Mebibyte: you usually just compile what you work on.. |
| 02:04.53 | aseigo | Devourer: not really |
| 02:04.56 | Mebibyte | ahh.... |
| 02:05.03 | Mebibyte | thought the other lol |
| 02:05.04 | Jucato | Mebibyte: and it doesn't take 25 hours... |
| 02:05.11 | Mebibyte | Jucato: yeah, it took! |
| 02:05.12 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 02:05.14 | Jucato | there goes the lol again |
| 02:05.31 | Jucato | well depending on your system and if you compiled *everything* |
| 02:05.36 | Mebibyte | Jucato: I'm a lagught alike person :P |
| 02:05.52 | Devourer | Jucato, haha. Yeah. I think it took an hour or so to compile Qt though. I was wondering if the compiler got stuck in some loop or whatnot. |
| 02:06.09 | Devourer | For me that is. |
| 02:06.11 | aseigo | qt is huge |
| 02:06.16 | Devourer | Yeah. |
| 02:06.30 | Devourer | I thought compiling the Linux kernel took a little while, Qt was unexpected. |
| 02:06.34 | Mebibyte | so how anyone can get involved into kde development? ^^ |
| 02:06.46 | Devourer | Mebibyte, download the source I guess. |
| 02:06.57 | Mebibyte | yeah, got it heh |
| 02:07.04 | aseigo | Devourer: it's a gui, network, database, threading, web framework, xml, svg, scene graph ..... toolkit |
| 02:07.06 | Mebibyte | a .tar.gz should be around there, thought... |
| 02:07.09 | luke-jr | Linux doesn't take long to compile at all <.< |
| 02:07.33 | Devourer | aseigo, lmao. Wow... I've always been under the impression that it was just a GUI toolkit. |
| 02:07.40 | Mebibyte | ok... Devourer I'll take a look |
| 02:07.54 | Devourer | luke-jr, well, compared to Qt it doesn't. |
| 02:08.21 | Jucato | Devourer: it started that way. but to be a really good GUI toolkit, you will need to have good underlying stuff to support it |
| 02:08.29 | Jucato | (in short, Qt is good) |
| 02:08.31 | Jucato | (period) |
| 02:08.50 | Mebibyte | got lots of tar.gz that begins in kdewhatever around here... |
| 02:08.56 | Devourer | Jucato, haha. Yeah. Does KDE write libraries that duplicate functionality that Qt already has? |
| 02:08.57 | Mebibyte | Where should I look? |
| 02:09.13 | Devourer | Mebibyte, actually, i would look into that kdesvn build script thing. |
| 02:09.36 | Mebibyte | that gets a copy of the svn... isn't it? |
| 02:09.50 | Jucato | Devourer: duplicate? more like "Extend". this is C++ we're talking about :) |
| 02:10.40 | Mebibyte | Devourer: you mean getting a svn copy of the sources? |
| 02:16.07 | Devourer | Jucato, haha, oh. I see. |
| 02:16.22 | Devourer | Mebibyte, yeah, I think it does. |
| 02:17.26 | Mebibyte | I'm installing svn... :( |
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| 02:17.42 | Mebibyte | (another tool that I forgot I would need lol) |
| 02:17.45 | Devourer | Mebibyte, the script didn't work the first time for me. |
| 02:17.52 | Devourer | Mebibyte, I think I had to download some D-Bus package. |
| 02:18.03 | Mebibyte | Devourer: and what about doing svn checkout? |
| 02:18.19 | Devourer | Mebibyte, and then it compiled Qt for an hour or so, but then all the other libraries failed. I have yet to investigate why. |
| 02:18.20 | Mebibyte | svn co https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk |
| 02:18.25 | Mebibyte | somethiing lke that... |
| 02:18.32 | Devourer | Mebibyte, the script checks out the source for you. |
| 02:18.46 | Mebibyte | it's just a command |
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| 02:19.19 | Jucato | kdesvn-build is an app/script that automates checking out from svn and building of KDE from SVN |
| 02:19.52 | Mebibyte | aha... cool |
| 02:20.14 | Devourer | Jucato, if I already compiled Qt and ran the script again, will it recompile Qt? I guess not, because CMake will see that the binaries are already there and not need updating. |
| 02:20.22 | darkstego | hi, is there a way to get a second kwin/plasma on a second screen (running a seperate x-server) |
| 02:20.23 | Mebibyte | well.. I would try checkin' it out from the anonsvn.kde.org server... |
| 02:20.28 | Mebibyte | Just wanted to take a look... |
| 02:20.41 | Jucato | Devourer: you can configure it not to checkout and compile Qt (or to be specific, qt-copy) |
| 02:20.54 | darkstego | all I get is a black void on the second screen |
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| 02:21.28 | Devourer | Jucato, is that recommended? I think it's doubtful that the entire Qt-copy codebase has changed, so CMake wouldn't recompile the whole thing right? |
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| 02:21.53 | darkstego | I can run some program with --display :0.1, but want a desktop and plasma running |
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| 02:23.10 | Jucato | Devourer: cmake would recompile only when tell it to. as for qt-copy, it's almost always changing. qt-copy is KDE's copy of Qt with some patches from KDE's side (some of which would eventually end up in the next Qt release). it's not absolutely necessary because KDE guarantees (at release time at least) that it would build/run using vanilla Qt |
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| 02:24.36 | Devourer | Jucato, hmmm... :'( |
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| 02:24.46 | Jucato | why? |
| 02:24.47 | Mebibyte | oops |
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| 02:25.44 | Mebibyte | this kde4 makes my computer to freeze... |
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| 02:26.08 | Mebibyte | do it need any optiimzation? |
| 02:26.19 | Mebibyte | or it is just that you need a more powerful computer? |
| 02:26.26 | Ginger | hello all |
| 02:26.50 | Jucato | has never experienced freezes caused by KDE 4 since pre-4.1 |
| 02:26.53 | Devourer | Jucato, if you let your snapshot of Qt-copy get outdated a little, will that affect building other parts of KDE? |
| 02:27.05 | Mebibyte | Jucato: don't know... with kde3 it worked fluid |
| 02:27.08 | Mebibyte | :) |
| 02:27.16 | Ginger | hmmm |
| 02:27.18 | Jucato | Mebibyte: both worked fine for me |
| 02:27.24 | Ginger | not sure if i like this whole Fedora thing |
| 02:27.25 | Mebibyte | now I see a laggy type on my shells and that things... |
| 02:27.35 | Mebibyte | also the kPDF renamed to Okuwhatever goes more slow... |
| 02:27.36 | Ginger | its gotta be the badsetup with virtual box and everything |
| 02:27.42 | Jucato | Devourer: case to case basis. you can actually build KDE trunk w/o even using qt-copy |
| 02:27.49 | Devourer | Mebibyte, I think KDE 4 has potential. At least it seems to be moving forward. |
| 02:28.00 | Mebibyte | Devourer: I see that too, of course |
| 02:28.13 | Mebibyte | but I don't know where this "laggy" effect comes from.... |
| 02:28.24 | Jucato | hasn't noticed any performance problems with Okular |
| 02:28.26 | Devourer | Mebibyte, well.. |
| 02:28.29 | Mebibyte | kde3 always worked fluid without even tweak what xorgconfig wrote |
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| 02:28.42 | Devourer | Mebibyte, I think when I first ran kde4 like... This one KDE app was stealing a ton of CPU. |
| 02:28.48 | etgeek | anyone have time for vnc questions? |
| 02:28.55 | Devourer | Mebibyte, it was like... k... something that got events. |
| 02:29.02 | Devourer | Mebibyte, kevent? XD |
| 02:29.11 | Mebibyte | Devourer: so it just fucks cpu cycles? |
| 02:29.14 | Mebibyte | lmao |
| 02:29.31 | Devourer | Jucato, isn't Qt a dependency? |
| 02:29.49 | Devourer | Mebibyte, I don't know about that. But it was fine after a reboot. |
| 02:29.49 | Mebibyte | but where the slow scheme comes from? |
| 02:29.52 | Mebibyte | Qt or KDE code? |
| 02:29.53 | Jucato | Devourer: yes. did you see I specifically said "qt-copy"? |
| 02:30.08 | Mebibyte | Devourer: I noticed that... yesterday konsole didn't even worked |
| 02:30.14 | Mebibyte | but rebooted and began to work :) |
| 02:30.17 | Devourer | Jucato, doesn't the Qt codebase change a lot as well? |
| 02:30.27 | Mebibyte | after first load it loads faster |
| 02:30.39 | Mebibyte | and well... if I'm not using the cpu (compile, etc) goes "normal" |
| 02:30.44 | Mebibyte | at least you can use it... |
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| 02:30.59 | Mebibyte | I'm now compiling wine and subversion and it get's laggy |
| 02:31.02 | Jucato | Devourer: that depends on where you are getting your Qt. there are stable releases that don't get changed at all until the next release |
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| 02:31.56 | Jucato | Devourer: when we're talking about qt-copy and "building KDE", we're talking about getting it from SVN *trunk*, a repository that is *always* changing |
| 02:32.11 | Devourer | Jucato, I don't know what to doooo... :'( So, do you think I should just compile the stable release of Qt? What about the Qt-copy I have right now? Won't that work until... some new releaseS? |
| 02:32.32 | Jucato | wait, you compiled qt-copy? |
| 02:32.45 | Jucato | you got it from svn and compiled it? |
| 02:32.57 | Devourer | Jucato, yeah, I did. The other builds of KDE stuff failed though. I think it said something about me not having DOxygen and Dot tool. |
| 02:33.10 | Devourer | Jucato, yeah. This was a week or so ago though. |
| 02:33.19 | Jucato | well then you can keep on using qt-copy |
| 02:34.23 | Devourer | Hmmm... I'm still not fully understanding this, but... that's ok. I will learn with time. |
| 02:34.35 | Mebibyte | also kde4 task bar got ruined... |
| 02:34.39 | Jucato | what are you not understanding? |
| 02:34.40 | Mebibyte | I don't see the apps there |
| 02:34.44 | Mebibyte | just two icons |
| 02:35.48 | Devourer | Jucato, well, if Qt-copy is constantly changing, is that going to break any of the other modules? Wiil, other modules depends on certain Qt-copy features? |
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| 02:36.42 | Jucato | no, they should not. |
| 02:36.46 | jesse_ | darnit :'( |
| 02:36.55 | jesse_ | nno sound =( |
| 02:37.51 | Devourer | Jucato, so what advantage is there to... updating the... Qt-copy? |
| 02:38.11 | Jucato | Devourer: afaik (maybe aseigo can correct me on this), KDE modules should not depend on any qt-copy patch, becuase that would mean that the KDE would not build with vanilla Qt, and that would be a problem for distros |
| 02:38.27 | Devourer | Jucato, true. |
| 02:38.36 | Jucato | advantage? getting the latest qt-copy :) |
| 02:39.19 | jesse_ | "the audio playback device alsa default device does not work falling back to null fedora" why?? |
| 02:39.44 | Devourer | Jucato, is Qt-copy ever broken? Or if Qt-copy compiled, that's a guarantee it'll work for the other KDE modules? |
| 02:40.03 | Jucato | Devourer: patches to qt-copy are patches to make Qt work better, not for KDE directly. for example, some devs might have noticed problems in Qt that are affecting KDE apps, so they might make a patch for it while waiting for that patch to be accepted into Qt itself |
| 02:40.36 | Devourer | Jucato, yeah. That makes sense. :) |
| 02:40.52 | Jucato | ever broken? it might, once i a while. guaranteed to work for other modules? it *should* |
| 02:41.10 | Jucato | Devourer: there are some KDE devs who don't use qt-copy at all |
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| 02:41.56 | Devourer | Jucato, since I already have this one compile, I'm too lazy to change at the moment... But. I think that answers most of my questions. |
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| 02:56.23 | myron | I'm having some trouble using k office, can anyone help? |
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| 02:58.06 | Devourer | Is there a way to use Vim inside of KDevelop? |
| 02:59.14 | Mebibyte | Devourer: svning the trunk :) |
| 02:59.24 | Devourer | Mebibyte, haha, cool. |
| 02:59.36 | Devourer | Mebibyte, if it all compiles for you I'm going to be jealous. |
| 03:00.09 | Mebibyte | just downloading using svn lol |
| 03:00.14 | Mebibyte | didn't said I wanted to compile it |
| 03:00.16 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 03:01.48 | Devourer | Mebibyte, oh. |
| 03:01.58 | Jucato | Devourer: nope. but there is/was a project called yzis. you might want to look that up |
| 03:02.11 | Devourer | Jucato, I did... It doesn't seem too promising. |
| 03:02.32 | Mebibyte | Devourer: :) |
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| 03:05.01 | myron | has anyone had any problems with the size of the krita window? |
| 03:06.44 | myron | The window on Krita is showing up larger than the desktop |
| 03:06.57 | myron | I can resize the width of the screen but not the length |
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| 03:09.46 | knue | hi |
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| 03:09.56 | myron | hi |
| 03:09.58 | knue | I am installing kde 4.1.1 atm |
| 03:10.11 | knue | are there migration wizards out there? |
| 03:10.15 | knue | kde3 -> kde3? |
| 03:10.28 | knue | kmail stuff, kopete, konqui bookmarks etc |
| 03:11.19 | myron | sorry, couldn't tell you, I'm a noob |
| 03:11.33 | myron | do you have to use kde desktop with a certain session? |
| 03:11.49 | myron | or will it work with any of them, ex. X, gnome, etc. |
| 03:12.21 | knue | I'll probly switch from kde3 to kde4 as my default desktop |
| 03:12.49 | knue | and saving -- lets say my icq logs and my address in kaddressbook -- is a critical thing |
| 03:13.14 | myron | so KDE is a session of it's own |
| 03:13.22 | myron | ? |
| 03:13.53 | knue | yes |
| 03:14.21 | myron | is it possible to use KDE office with different sessions? |
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| 03:15.47 | knue | what sessions do you mean? x sessions? |
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| 03:16.14 | knue | will koffice is an office suite, not a window manager |
| 03:16.14 | knue | well not will |
| 03:16.55 | myron | right, I tried it with X and had some problems using Krita (basically the only program that I have tried out of Koffice) |
| 03:17.20 | myron | I switched my session to gnome, and It seems to be working fine |
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| 03:47.06 | giganto_ | someone ?? |
| 03:47.34 | drantin | ... |
| 03:47.47 | drantin | are you certain you're in the right channel? |
| 03:48.04 | giganto_ | lols ... im using kdemod |
| 03:48.16 | drantin | go to #archlinux or whatever then |
| 03:48.24 | giganto_ | ah okay |
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| 04:10.22 | TeLLuS | Now I know what caused my mail problem. New bug in DNS resolving in KDE4.1.1.. Try connecting to 179.108.227.87.static.f.siw.siwnet.net from konqueror and Firefox to see the differense.. |
| 04:11.25 | NoiQ | what command can i use to determine kde ver? |
| 04:16.07 | TeLLuS | NoiQ: kde-config --version kde4-config --version |
| 04:17.02 | NoiQ | Thank you. |
| 04:17.37 | TeLLuS | Not sure if it is the best and always installed but should show if installed.. |
| 04:18.27 | NoiQ | Yeah, i was just trying to determine why it looked different |
| 04:18.31 | NoiQ | its 4.1.0 |
| 04:18.37 | NoiQ | if Qt is updated, does that change anything? |
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| 04:24.34 | TeLLuS | NoiQ: Different visually? New versions make changes some can be visually.. see changelog. |
| 04:25.11 | NoiQ | must be, thanks |
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| 04:45.58 | teb | I keep getting an error message from KNotify that says unable to find a multimedia backend, anyone know what that is about? |
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| 05:41.27 | jumpkick | f-in taskbar crashes as soon as KDE starts |
| 05:41.32 | jumpkick | how do I manually restart it |
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| 06:14.41 | HaSH | hello all. im wondering how i can add a option to the menu when i right click a file in konqueror. id like to add a few custom entrys. |
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| 06:15.57 | drantin | http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000172 ? |
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| 06:17.08 | drantin | the example is for a word viewer, but should apply for other things too |
| 06:17.14 | HaSH | hmm ok ill give it a shot. thanks! |
| 06:17.29 | Jucato | KDE 3: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/KDE3/Creating_Konqueror_Service_Menus |
| 06:17.36 | Jucato | KDE 4: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Creating_Konqueror_Service_Menus |
| 06:17.59 | HaSH | ill look them over too thanks again |
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| 07:08.06 | hotmonkeyluv | is kde4.1.1 a beta, or a stable release? |
| 07:09.19 | GraveDigger | hotmonkeyluv: look at the topic .. there are never unstable releases announced |
| 07:09.24 | Jucato | stable release. (but "stable" doesn't necessarily mean "complete with all features" or "finished") |
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| 07:09.36 | hotmonkeyluv | i see |
| 07:09.44 | hotmonkeyluv | thank you GraveDigger and Jucato |
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| 07:17.11 | luke-jr | Jucato: 4.1 will be getting more features? |
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| 07:17.54 | ebdomino | rou |
| 07:17.56 | Jucato | luke-jr: basically no. only fixes. unless a backport from trunk (4.2) was allowed (exception) |
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| 07:38.36 | dudeman | hi |
| 07:38.53 | dudeman | how can I import my bookmarks from iceweasel into konqueror |
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| 08:42.07 | Murray_B | Hi! |
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| 09:02.47 | CyBaH | gm all |
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| 09:27.14 | Murray_B | Hi CyBaH |
| 09:28.04 | ctibor | Does anybody know where can I configure suspend/hibernate options in kde-4.1? |
| 09:28.58 | annma | it's in trunk right now, meaning 4.2 |
| 09:29.17 | annma | some distros have patches for it in 4.1 |
| 09:29.39 | ctibor | so in 4.1 it is not possible even in some config file or so? |
| 09:29.47 | annma | if you have anything in kickoff menu, Quit then you don't have it |
| 09:29.54 | annma | what distro? |
| 09:29.59 | ctibor | gentoo |
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| 09:30.37 | ctibor | I can click on suspend and laptop then suspends but never resumes, but through cli I can suspend and resume perfectly... |
| 09:30.51 | ctibor | I need to tweak the options kde passes to hibernate script |
| 09:31.13 | ctibor | or whatever |
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| 09:37.03 | friedrich| | I think kde does that through hal |
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| 09:41.48 | ctibor | friedrich|: Yeah, that's possible... |
| 09:42.19 | annma | thinks that was not in 4.1 |
| 09:42.31 | annma | remembers looking in the code even |
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| 09:45.53 | lemma | annma: right. I think no power management in 4.1 so far. several systems are on their way though eg. powerdevil |
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| 09:46.48 | annma | in trunk lemma |
| 09:46.53 | annma | I have hibernate |
| 09:47.06 | annma | that's what I said |
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| 09:48.00 | lemma | oh! didn't know that. |
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| 09:56.09 | tdi_k | guys, is it normal that when I klick on kickoff no menu pops out also when I click on an item in the 'device notifier' nothing happens. Akregator tray icon clicks are also kind of ignored (window does not show/hide) |
| 09:56.27 | tdi_k | I'm using the kde-nightly builds from the neon project |
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| 10:02.13 | gkiagia | tdi_k: maybe plasma is stuck... does anything else on the desktop work? |
| 10:03.11 | tdi_k | yes, everything works. Restarting plasma does not help. Applets like 'show desktop', digital clock, taskbar also work |
| 10:04.35 | tdi_k | it's only the menu and akregator tray + when I try to move the poped-up calendar of a clock applet, the calendar window turns white and umovable and stays on top ... quite strange |
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| 10:05.04 | tdi_k | even kickoff works when classic menu is chosen |
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| 10:06.49 | holycow | does anyone know where kxmame stores its favourites? |
| 10:09.17 | gkiagia | tdi_k: dunno, something must be broken |
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| 10:09.54 | gkiagia | holycow: if it is a kde app, look in ~/.kde/share/apps/kxmame and in ~/.kde/share/config/kxmame* ;) |
| 10:10.41 | tdi_k | gkiagia: I've just installed 4.1 to see if it's the settings or not ... |
| 10:10.49 | holycow | oh! |
| 10:10.50 | holycow | danke |
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| 10:45.56 | lxsameer | hi , in my kde3.5.9 when i try to end current session or restart or shut down i just see a black screen and nothing happen , then i should act from tty console |
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| 10:50.04 | jordidg | Hi everybody, I've got a problem with strigi while compiling kde4? |
| 10:50.15 | annma | jordidg: explain? |
| 10:50.27 | annma | jordidg: kde4 version? strigi version? |
| 10:51.17 | jordidg | the current svn version, and strigi 0.6 |
| 10:51.28 | jordidg | cmake says it can't find strigi >= 0.6.0 |
| 10:51.36 | annma | svn trunk you mean? |
| 10:51.39 | jordidg | yes |
| 10:51.44 | annma | "current" doe snto mean anything |
| 10:51.55 | annma | for trunk you need strigi from kdesupport |
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| 10:52.04 | annma | how are you compiling? |
| 10:52.14 | annma | by hand? distro? script? |
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| 10:53.01 | hays | by hand, that would be crazy, even with a room-full of housewives to help |
| 10:53.19 | jordidg | i'm following the instructions on the openSUSE wiki |
| 10:53.30 | annma | link? |
| 10:53.43 | annma | hays: LOL |
| 10:53.44 | jordidg | http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Developing/Guide |
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| 10:55.02 | hays | not to kick you out here but I thought I would mention there appears to be an #opensuse-kde channel as well |
| 10:55.04 | annma | jordidg: dod you ask Suse support then? |
| 10:55.17 | annma | yup hays |
| 10:55.28 | annma | jordidg: I don't have the patience to read this wiki page |
| 10:55.54 | annma | so ask OpenSuse for support as they made this page anyway |
| 10:55.59 | jordidg | no, in the mailinglist of kdepim they said i should youn this channel |
| 10:56.01 | hays | hmm looks like the suse folks have made a script to do the heavy lifting |
| 10:56.24 | jordidg | ok i'll try it in the opensuse channel then |
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| 10:57.01 | annma | kdepim channel? |
| 10:57.13 | annma | why did you ask here for a strigi problem? |
| 10:57.23 | hays | an alternative is to use the techbase svn instructions or maybe mpyne's program |
| 10:58.12 | jordidg | i didn't, i wanted to compile kdepim, but apparently you need to compile kde yourself to compile kdepim |
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| 11:00.27 | jordidg | i started with the techbase instructions, but there i found the link to the opensuse wiki |
| 11:00.59 | annma | the techbase wiki mentions kdesupport |
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| 11:03.53 | jordidg | so i'll have to compile that myself instead of just using opensuse's devel packages? |
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| 11:09.34 | xjunior | hi folks. I upgraded from kde 4.1.0 to 4.1.1, and now kopete doesn't let me add jabber accounts. I have qca and libidn installed |
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| 11:24.25 | xjunior | how do I uninstall some plasmoid/widget? |
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| 11:32.49 | xjunior | ? |
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| 11:48.06 | kontoo | hello! after an alsa upgrade sound does not work in KDE anymore. with players like xmms outside KDE it works fine... |
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| 11:48.15 | kontoo | do i have to recompile a specific package? |
| 11:48.44 | xjunior | kontoo: kde 3 or 4? |
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| 11:48.50 | ballzee | how can i change my taskbar icon the k menu icon ? |
| 11:49.05 | kontoo | xjunior: sorry, i'm using KDE 4.1.1 |
| 11:49.21 | kontoo | (and atm fluxbox because it's working here) |
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| 11:49.56 | xjunior | kontoo: try recompile xine and phonon.. (just a guess) |
| 11:50.43 | kontoo | if i start a player like amarok i get a notification from phonon that my soundcard is not available and it falls back to digital output |
| 11:50.53 | kontoo | xjunior: i tried this two already, but i'll do it again |
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| 11:51.22 | xjunior | kontoo: no no, you don't need... if you already tried it twice |
| 11:52.15 | kontoo | xjunior: i tried it once :) |
| 11:52.35 | kontoo | i recompiled xine-lib, phonon, kdelibs and kdemultimedia |
| 11:52.42 | xjunior | kontoo: still don't need to try it aagin... |
| 11:52.44 | kontoo | (in that order i think) |
| 11:52.52 | xjunior | kontoo: what is your distribution? |
| 11:52.56 | kontoo | what yould be the problem then? |
| 11:53.00 | kontoo | Arch Linux |
| 11:53.13 | xjunior | kontoo: try asking at #archlinux |
| 11:53.55 | kontoo | i don't think that would be a great help... the problem occoured as i switched to the newest ALSA version |
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| 11:54.10 | Vital | Hello, is there a list with the standard names (and description for what icon to use where) for the KIcon class? kde4.1 |
| 11:54.15 | kontoo | i mean the *newest* :) |
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| 11:58.41 | jordidg | annma: installing kdesupport did the trick, thanks |
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| 12:37.58 | giganto_ | hey guys, i have a problem with KDE... Its probably not configured right or smth. I have no idea cos my friend did the configs (im very new to linux). Anyway, here are the symptoms. whenever I login using my username and pasword, and i go startx, I am brought to a page with terminals (2 titled Xterm, 1 titled login) and when I go startkde, it logs me into kde without asking for password but I |
| 12:37.58 | giganto_ | have to select where to place my windows and the bottom menu is missing |
| 12:38.10 | giganto_ | what's happening ? |
| 12:38.40 | Ash-Fox | Why doesn't http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_work_more_with_larger_linux_community have scrollbars in Konqueror? |
| 12:39.00 | giganto_ | eventually i did ctrl alt backspace to kill the xwindows then type sudo /etc/rc.d/kdm restart to get in properly |
| 12:39.43 | Ash-Fox | giganto_, sounds normal to me. You just need to get kdm to start up with your system. |
| 12:40.04 | giganto_ | Ash-Fox, what do u mean? |
| 12:40.06 | Ash-Fox | If you want it to send you into a graphical environment by default. |
| 12:40.31 | giganto_ | so by typing startx I will be thrown into a graphical environment? |
| 12:40.42 | Ash-Fox | I didn't say that. |
| 12:40.57 | giganto_ | lol ... |
| 12:41.20 | giganto_ | well generally if i go startx sholdn't it bring me into the graphical environment? |
| 12:41.26 | giganto_ | or startkde in this case? |
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| 12:41.33 | Ash-Fox | If you want to get KDM to start up with your system, you will need to consult your distribution's support. Most distributions have a method through various init levels. |
| 12:41.37 | giganto_ | im using kdemod on archlinux |
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| 12:41.47 | Ash-Fox | I have never used archlinux. |
| 12:42.02 | giganto_ | ah okay |
| 12:42.12 | Ash-Fox | startx brought you into a graphical environment. |
| 12:42.30 | giganto_ | Ash-Fox, yeah with 3 xterms |
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| 12:42.39 | seemant | Ash-Fox: brought to you by Carl's Jr. |
| 12:43.32 | Ash-Fox | giganto_, and? If you want to modify startx's behaviour xinitrc would need to be modified. |
| 12:43.46 | ballzee | how can i change my taskbar icon the k menu icon ? |
| 12:44.15 | giganto_ | Ash-Fox, and nothing else... its just 3 terminals sitting there with nothing... I'll poke around in #Archlinux and see if someone can help |
| 12:44.16 | Ash-Fox | ~/.xinitrc (user specific settings) |
| 12:44.48 | Ash-Fox | ballzee, I don't know. |
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| 12:46.01 | giganto_ | Ash-Fox, there's no xinitrc cos im using arch, its probably called smth else |
| 12:46.09 | Ash-Fox | giganto_, if you want KDE to startup by default, echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 12:46.32 | Ash-Fox | giganto_, unlikely. files that begin with periods are hidden from normal 'ls' commands. |
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| 12:48.19 | giganto_ | Ash-Fox, yeah I did ls -a and its not there |
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| 12:49.12 | giganto_ | Ash-Fox, there's a .kde and .kde4 folder |
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| 12:50.15 | Ash-Fox | giganto_, it's likely my instructions will work regardless. |
| 12:50.17 | Qu4Z | Hey. Where can I get the style "Light style, 2nd revision" for kde3.5? |
| 12:51.31 | giganto_ | Ash-Fox, ah okay. I'll do it in a sec. Now trying to reconfigure kdm |
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| 12:54.20 | Jucato | Qu4Z: try looking in your distro for a kdeartwork package |
| 12:54.24 | Jucato | (for KDE 3) |
| 12:54.30 | kdepepo | Qu4Z, its part of the kdebase package, maybe your distribution has splitted it. |
| 12:54.56 | Qu4Z | Ah, okay. I'll have a look. Thanks :) |
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| 12:57.08 | kdepepo | hm, on openSUSE its in kdelibs even... |
| 12:57.25 | kdepepo | anyway, the library name is just "light.so" |
| 12:57.40 | kdepepo | maybe grepping through dependencies helps :) |
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| 13:03.09 | darkstego_ | hi, is there a way to get a second kwin/plasma on a second screen (running a seperate x-server) |
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| 13:03.21 | darkstego_ | all I get is a black void on the second screen |
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| 13:04.38 | Zarin | KWin automatically starts on separate X servers if it can. There seems to be a bug in Qt or something that doesn't correctly return the screen numbers though so although it starts on the other screen it immediately crashes |
| 13:04.45 | MGalaxy | Do I need to have QT4 installed to run KDE on Windows XP? |
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| 13:05.01 | MGalaxy | oh, sorry, wrong channel :D |
| 13:05.15 | Zarin | Multihead mode isn't really loved much darkstego_ :( |
| 13:06.10 | darkstego_ | Zarin: how come? I was using this mode for a long time before kde4 |
| 13:06.14 | Ash-Fox | Why doesn't http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_work_more_with_larger_linux_community have scrollbars in Konqueror? |
| 13:06.29 | darkstego_ | I noticed a lot of people have a similar problem, but none have a solution. |
| 13:06.35 | Jucato | Ash-Fox: So that you won't be able to read it :) |
| 13:06.45 | Ash-Fox | Jucato, scroll wheel works though :P |
| 13:06.53 | Jucato | aw shucks |
| 13:06.58 | Jucato | mods the web page again |
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| 13:07.17 | Zarin | darkstego_, it used to be fine when it was common to run multiple X servers, however now all developers are using Xinerama implementations so nobody is maintaining multihead anymore |
| 13:07.40 | Jucato | Ash-Fox: what crack are you running? |
| 13:07.42 | Jucato | er.. version* |
| 13:07.55 | Mebibyte | hey |
| 13:08.05 | Mebibyte | in this kde4 how do I move this widgets of the panels manually? |
| 13:08.09 | Jucato | oh it's sjvn... |
| 13:08.15 | darkstego_ | ?? People stopped using Multihead?? That is sad.... |
| 13:08.16 | Jucato | closes the window |
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| 13:08.27 | Ash-Fox | Konqueror 3.5.9, from Kubuntu Hardy |
| 13:08.40 | scroogie | Mebibyte: rightclick the panel and choose panel settings |
| 13:08.42 | Zarin | Mebibyte, click the little toolbar on the right of the panel then drag the things around |
| 13:08.49 | Jucato | Mebibyte: you mean move them around in the panel? click on the "cashew" icon or right-click -> Panel Settings |
| 13:08.54 | Ash-Fox | Although testing on SuSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10.1 seems to have the same issue. |
| 13:09.04 | Mebibyte | yeah yeah |
| 13:09.06 | Jucato | Zarin: you mean "little button/icon" :) |
| 13:09.08 | Mebibyte | thanks Zarin |
| 13:09.15 | Zarin | Jucato, whatever |
| 13:09.17 | Jucato | Ash-Fox: oh ok, so KDE 3.. lemme check again |
| 13:09.18 | Mebibyte | I'm configuring this to be useful |
| 13:09.18 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 13:09.19 | scroogie | need to be unlocked though |
| 13:09.23 | Zarin | toolbox~ |
| 13:09.57 | Zarin | darkstego_, it is sad |
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| 13:10.32 | Jucato | Ash-Fox: I still have toolbars, in KDE 3 and 4... |
| 13:10.37 | Jucato | er... scrollbars |
| 13:10.45 | Ash-Fox | What the hell |
| 13:11.04 | Ash-Fox | I can replicate this on SuSE and Kubuntu |
| 13:11.14 | Jucato | no wonder ;) |
| 13:11.21 | Jucato | built from source, both |
| 13:11.26 | Jucato | (mine I mean) |
| 13:11.40 | Zarin | Works for me as well Ash-Fox |
| 13:11.57 | Ash-Fox | Zarin, you are using KDE3 with what distribution? |
| 13:12.04 | Zarin | KDE3 and Archlinux |
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| 13:12.22 | Zarin | 3.5.9 |
| 13:12.42 | Ash-Fox | Well, I'm going to pop this into launchpad, since it seems to be ubuntu/suse specific so far. |
| 13:12.44 | Jucato | Ash-Fox: so it's conclusive that it's a #kubuntu or #opensuse thong :) |
| 13:12.48 | Jucato | thing* |
| 13:12.59 | Ash-Fox | Jucato, I don't use opensuse :P |
| 13:13.07 | Zarin | It's Jucate's tpyo dey todey |
| 13:13.10 | Jucato | sorry. SLED |
| 13:13.42 | Jucato | Zarin: that's one of my most common typos too... doesn't help that 'i' and 'o' are beside each other :/ |
| 13:14.09 | Ash-Fox | Probably it's a bug that has been already fixed upstream. |
| 13:14.10 | Zarin | Z and P are right next to each other as well, I mix those uz all the time |
| 13:14.29 | Jucato | dvorak? :) |
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| 13:14.38 | Jucato | only knows qwerty :( |
| 13:14.51 | Zarin | Ash-Fox, or maybe it's a distribution patch |
| 13:15.07 | Zarin | Jucato, Qwerty ;-) |
| 13:15.22 | Jucato | Ash-Fox: you might try upgrading kubuntu to 3.5.10 first |
| 13:15.40 | Ash-Fox | I know qwerty, qwertz and dvorak. I also have American and British keyboards. Trust me when you switch between keyboards, you often find yourself typing absolute jibberish. |
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| 13:33.05 | mfwitten_ | So I built and installed the stuff that comes in the kdesupport "module", except for the phonon package; there were duplicate definitions, which I assumed stem from the fact that Qt (>= 4.4) ships with Phonon as well (at least that's what I've read). I got kdelibs 4.4.1 (from svn; not trunk) built and installed and now I'm working on kdebase and it complains it can't find "Phonon/ObjectDescription" and indeed neither can 'locate'. I suppose |
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| 13:33.21 | mfwitten_ | the experimental stuff is giving me build errors. |
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| 13:34.52 | Estevo | Bom dia a todos |
| 13:35.01 | annma | what distro ships qt with phonon? |
| 13:35.06 | annma | mfwitten_: ? |
| 13:35.10 | mfwitten_ | annma: I was wrong |
| 13:35.45 | mfwitten_ | I wrote that question a bit ago, and forgot I left that in there. How about the experimental stuff. |
| 13:35.56 | hyper_ch | annma: kubuntu ibex I'd say |
| 13:35.57 | mfwitten_ | Maybe I should use svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/phonon/4.2 |
| 13:36.04 | annma | ibex? |
| 13:36.06 | Jucato | mfwitten_: he's building for OS X |
| 13:36.09 | annma | what the hell is that now |
| 13:36.20 | annma | mfwitten_: experimental stuff? |
| 13:36.33 | annma | define that please and pastebin errors |
| 13:36.36 | mfwitten_ | annma: I'll send you my build errors. |
| 13:36.36 | hyper_ch | kubunu 8.10 - Intrepid Ibex |
| 13:36.38 | mfwitten_ | hold on |
| 13:37.03 | annma | hyper_ch: and they ship qt with phonon support? and kde4 works? |
| 13:37.05 | Jucato | mfwitten_: given up on os x? |
| 13:37.10 | mfwitten_ | Jucato: No. |
| 13:37.22 | hyper_ch | annma: well, kubuntu 8.10 is shipping with kde 4.1 |
| 13:37.32 | annma | and it works? |
| 13:37.34 | hyper_ch | annma: I have kubuntu 8.04 with 4.1 ppa repos |
| 13:37.37 | Jucato | mfwitten_: btw, I was told you could ask for help in #kde-mac for that. just for future reference |
| 13:37.53 | annma | hyper_ch: I am asking if kde4 works with phonon from qt |
| 13:37.54 | hyper_ch | annma: and I got notices about phonon when I had to change mobo, processor, ram because I ws using onboard sound |
| 13:37.57 | mfwitten_ | Jucato: I've stopped by there a couple times, but my questions are really mac specific. |
| 13:38.03 | mfwitten_ | aren't really, that is. |
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| 13:38.13 | hyper_ch | annma: what do you mean by that? |
| 13:38.29 | Jucato | mfwitten_: but building kde on macs, that going to be a bit mixed. anyway, like I said, for future reference :) |
| 13:38.31 | annma | I mean that KDE sound uses KDE phonon, not qt's |
| 13:38.44 | Jucato | annma: they build Qt with phonon but as a separate installable package |
| 13:38.45 | hyper_ch | annma: ah... how to find out? |
| 13:38.51 | Jucato | (referring to *buntu) |
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| 13:39.08 | annma | Jucato: but does kde sound work then? |
| 13:39.20 | Jucato | last I checked, sure |
| 13:39.33 | Jucato | boots laptop |
| 13:39.53 | mfwitten_ | Jucato: The main problems I usually have with compiling stuff on Mac OS X is that more and more people assume there is some kind of package manager that will install various components that don't have some official website or link. |
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| 13:40.38 | Jucato | mfwitten_: hence the #kde-mac pointer so that 1. they can help you and 2. you can help them by identifying what parts of their guide are missing/outdate/incorrect :) |
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| 13:41.29 | Jucato | mfwitten_: but the assumption is that if you're attempting to build KDE from source, you're a bit familiar with how things go, or at least willing to learn |
| 13:41.32 | scroogie | Mac doesn't have a package manager?? |
| 13:41.33 | scroogie | ;) |
| 13:41.50 | mfwitten_ | annma: http://rafb.net/p/yvvKnM35.html |
| 13:41.57 | Jucato | scroogie: not for KDE packages afaik |
| 13:42.02 | scroogie | and im moaning about yum |
| 13:42.09 | scroogie | i should be happy ;) |
| 13:42.18 | mfwitten_ | Jucato: The thing is, my problem last time isn't Mac OS X specific. It would have gotten me on GNU/Linux as well... |
| 13:42.25 | scroogie | but paste your error message mfwitten |
| 13:42.28 | scroogie | perhaps we can help |
| 13:42.39 | mfwitten_ | scroogie: http://rafb.net/p/yvvKnM35.html |
| 13:42.52 | scroogie | so you built the phonon from kdesupport or didnt |
| 13:42.55 | scroogie | ? |
| 13:43.10 | mfwitten_ | That's in the process of building it from kdesupport |
| 13:43.12 | scroogie | ah i see |
| 13:43.14 | scroogie | sorry |
| 13:43.15 | mfwitten_ | Everything else builds |
| 13:43.22 | scroogie | i asked before visiting the link |
| 13:43.34 | scroogie | well id say you don't need the experimental stuff |
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| 13:43.38 | mfwitten_ | I thought maybe it's stuff that's not finished yet, hence dummy and experimental |
| 13:43.41 | scroogie | i actually see it for the first time |
| 13:43.44 | mfwitten_ | ok |
| 13:43.46 | Jucato | annma: oops.. lemme check whose phonon kubuntu is using :) |
| 13:44.07 | annma | mfwitten_: is taht another phonon than phonon then? |
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| 13:44.23 | annma | mfwitten_: you only need phonon from kdesupport, nothing experimental |
| 13:44.25 | mfwitten_ | it in svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/phonon/4.{1,2} as well though |
| 13:44.59 | mfwitten_ | annma: No, that error is coming from code in a subdirectory of kdesupport's phonon directory |
| 13:45.01 | annma | https://annma@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdesupport/phonon builds OK |
| 13:45.08 | annma | I just updated it |
| 13:45.41 | annma | it's becaude you still have qt with phonon maybe |
| 13:45.42 | scroogie | mfwitten: you want to compile kde 4.1.1, right? |
| 13:45.48 | Jucato | annma: not Qt's phonon it seams. qtconfig's phonon tab is grayed out |
| 13:45.58 | annma | mfwitten_: what qt is it? |
| 13:46.00 | Jucato | annma: referring to Kubuntu |
| 13:46.01 | scroogie | you should use /tags/phonon/4.1.0 then i guess |
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| 13:46.04 | scroogie | although im not sure |
| 13:46.07 | annma | Jucato: thanks |
| 13:46.17 | mfwitten_ | scroogie: I ended up trying to go with trunk, but it failed at around 25% for some other reason, so I jumped to the 4.1 branch from svn |
| 13:46.30 | annma | mfwitten_: you still have a qt phonon |
| 13:46.34 | Jucato | powers down laptop |
| 13:46.39 | annma | ;) |
| 13:46.45 | mfwitten_ | annma: That's what I was referring to when I said qt come with phonon. |
| 13:46.51 | mfwitten_ | annma: or phonon with qt |
| 13:46.55 | annma | it doe snot |
| 13:47.01 | annma | it should not* |
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| 13:47.05 | annma | what distro? |
| 13:47.10 | mfwitten_ | annma: So what does qt have to do with it then? |
| 13:47.13 | mfwitten_ | Mac OS X |
| 13:47.22 | scroogie | did you build qt-copy? |
| 13:47.26 | mfwitten_ | scroogie: no |
| 13:47.36 | Level2Tech | anyone using a cool font for their terminal sessions, let me know b/c Im tired of mine |
| 13:47.59 | annma | mfwitten_: so your macOS qt is built with phonon support? |
| 13:48.02 | scroogie | Level2Tech: Liberation Mono |
| 13:48.04 | annma | taht's the question |
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| 13:48.25 | mfwitten_ | annma: Yes, it is. |
| 13:48.33 | annma | why? |
| 13:48.50 | annma | you can't build KDE with this phonon |
| 13:49.01 | annma | you need a KDE phonon, not your qt one |
| 13:49.11 | mfwitten_ | annma: Frankly, that's the kind of question I was trying to ask you guys! So what is the relationship between qt and phonon exactly? |
| 13:49.12 | Level2Tech | thanks scroogie |
| 13:49.30 | Sput | qt-phonon is old :) |
| 13:49.46 | annma | mfwitten_: it's easy, qt can be built with phonon support but it(s an old phonon |
| 13:50.06 | mfwitten_ | annma: Well there you have it. |
| 13:50.07 | annma | so to build KDE you MUST not build qt with phonon and use a KDE phonon |
| 13:50.16 | mfwitten_ | annma: Fair enough. |
| 13:50.20 | mfwitten_ | annma: Back to the terminal! |
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| 13:50.32 | annma | I highly disagree with this mess personally mfwitten_ |
| 13:50.41 | annma | but it's how it was done |
| 13:50.52 | Sput | especially phonon's version numbering |
| 13:50.57 | annma | so you need to add -no-phonon in qt build |
| 13:51.17 | Sput | it's so confuzzling :) Qt comes with phonon 4.1, but for KDE 4.1 you need phonon 4.2, and for KDE 4.2 you'll need phonon 4.3 |
| 13:51.36 | annma | yes |
| 13:51.47 | annma | totally crazy |
| 13:51.58 | Sput | maybe qt 4.5 ships with phonon 4.2 then |
| 13:52.00 | annma | but kdesupport has always been krazy |
| 13:52.08 | annma | nothing new here |
| 13:52.24 | mfwitten_ | annma: OK. Thanks. Also, I've been installing things like kdelibs under /usr/local/kde4 (just my choice). How should I treat Phonon and the like, considering they aren't particularly entrenched in KDE? kdesupport basically allows be to install everything at once into one location. Should I instead put them in /usr/local (my choice, again). What's you take on that? |
| 13:52.55 | Level2Tech | they broke kde |
| 13:52.58 | annma | I also install in /usr/local/kde4 |
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| 13:53.06 | annma | I install here everything related to KDE |
| 13:53.09 | mfwitten_ | That's good to know! |
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| 13:53.25 | annma | but you can install phonon and kdesupport in standard dirs as well |
| 13:53.41 | annma | like /usr or /usr/local |
| 13:53.44 | mfwitten_ | annma: Things like eigen2 seem particularly thirdparty in that regard. |
| 13:54.07 | annma | I don't build any non KDE software myself |
| 13:54.13 | annma | depends on what you build |
| 13:54.35 | annma | all the sources I build that depend on eigen2 are KDE sources |
| 13:55.04 | mfwitten_ | annma: So you literally put other KDE programs in /usr/local/kde4 as well? |
| 13:55.26 | annma | all KDE4 install in under /usr/local/kde4 |
| 13:56.37 | annma | kdesupport is the module with eigen, eigen2, phonon, strigi and so on |
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| 13:56.48 | mfwitten_ | indeed |
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| 14:06.52 | mfwitten_ | annma: So, if I build qt with -no-phonon, does that mean that qt won't support phonon stuff on its own? Is that a problem? |
| 14:07.07 | mfwitten_ | annma: Or do I need to build phonon first before qt now? |
| 14:07.25 | Jucato | wants to hear this too |
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| 14:08.16 | sandsmark | mfwitten_: afaik, Qt can use an external phonon |
| 14:08.30 | sandsmark | at least, I can play music in YANIHP without phonon support in Qt |
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| 14:08.34 | mfwitten_ | sandsmark: Is that a runtime thing though? |
| 14:08.38 | sandsmark | (but with phonon installed separately) |
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| 14:09.00 | sandsmark | mfwitten_: iDunno |
| 14:09.02 | mfwitten_ | I'll just install kdesupport first to be safe. |
| 14:09.05 | mfwitten_ | or try to at least. |
| 14:09.15 | bwaldher | I'm running kde4 and I lost my desktop switcher widget. How can I get it back? I can't find it in the Add Widget menu |
| 14:09.47 | Jucato | bwaldher: it's called Pager in the list |
| 14:10.04 | bwaldher | oooh. thanks! |
| 14:10.07 | mfwitten_ | Well, I can't do that. |
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| 14:10.09 | mfwitten_ | Time to try qt |
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| 14:16.59 | annma | if you build qt with -no-phon, qt itself won't have phonon support |
| 14:17.37 | annma | you build FIRST qt with -no-phonon THEN kdesupport/phonon and all and then kdelibs, kdebase, kdepimlibs and ... |
| 14:18.14 | annma | all KDE apps or even qt apps will use the other phonon |
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| 14:18.51 | annma | mfwitten_: ^^ all that for you |
| 14:19.45 | mfwitten_ | Thanks! |
| 14:20.14 | Jucato | tsk tsk.. late reply :) |
| 14:20.30 | annma | yes, sorry about that |
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| 14:21.12 | mrxmike | can i use a webpage with plasma on my desktop? :) |
| 14:21.45 | annma | mrxmike: explain use case? |
| 14:21.57 | mrxmike | i want a certain webpage to always be on my desktop |
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| 14:22.07 | mrxmike | and not take up any space up from the taskbar like a program.... |
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| 14:22.27 | annma | there's a webkit applet in the making |
| 14:22.40 | Jucato | yeah I heard about that before.... |
| 14:22.42 | SimmyJ | hey guys, where do you change the keyboard layout so you can use the windows key?? |
| 14:22.52 | SimmyJ | using kde uhm.. 3.5 i think (ubuntu 7) |
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| 14:23.13 | mrxmike | annma: a webkit applet hmmmm would be very nice |
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| 14:45.51 | Walex | SimmyJ: 'kxkb' for a quick fix. |
| 14:46.04 | tdi_k | SimmyJ: Go to Kcontrol's keyboard layour section and then to the Xkb Options-tab; Then select 'enable xkb options' Then try oit changing the 'Alt/Win key behaviour. 'Meta is mapped to the win-keys' usualy works for me |
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| 14:47.54 | SimmyJ | thnx guys |
| 14:47.59 | SimmyJ | it seems to have worked |
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| 14:58.57 | gissi | kdesupport doesn't build here, i suppose it has to do with the fact i am building against qt 4.5 |
| 14:59.40 | gissi | i read this thread: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.general/54686 ... but it still isn't clear to me how to make it work |
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| 15:00.01 | gissi | any ideas how i can solve that? |
| 15:01.08 | neurosys | I just installed KDE4 on fbsd thru ports. No errors of any kind. Sound is compiled in the kernel and displays on cat /dev/sndstat. But kde4 doesnt seem to pick up the sound. Gnome on the other hand does :( Any ideas on what im doing wrong? |
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| 15:08.03 | Walex | neurosys: ALSA? |
| 15:08.25 | Walex | neurosys: use a sound daemon? |
| 15:08.45 | neurosys | Walex: Not that Im aware of |
| 15:08.52 | Gentle | Walex: BSD doesn't have the advanced LINUX sound architecture |
| 15:08.57 | Jucato | :) |
| 15:09.03 | Jucato | you beat me to it :) |
| 15:09.06 | Walex | Gentle: that's precisely the problem perhaps :-) |
| 15:09.26 | neurosys | :( strangely it seems to work for other people. |
| 15:09.37 | Jucato | have you asked those other people what they did? |
| 15:09.42 | Walex | neurosys: use the sound control panel and see which sound system you can use. |
| 15:09.43 | Jucato | btw there's a #kde-freebsd channel too |
| 15:09.50 | neurosys | Jucato: yep. They said i just worked. |
| 15:09.56 | Jucato | aw |
| 15:09.57 | neurosys | Oh! didnt know that |
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| 15:10.09 | neurosys | Probably better there |
| 15:10.14 | neurosys | Thanks guys :) |
| 15:10.48 | neurosys | ah ha |
| 15:10.59 | neurosys | The answer was in the topic line ;) |
| 15:11.11 | Jucato | :P |
| 15:11.22 | Walex | neurosys: better than blowing in the wind :-) |
| 15:11.41 | neurosys | Walex: any day :) |
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| 15:12.43 | gissi | has anyone here succesfully built kdesupport/soprano against qt 4.5? |
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| 15:14.34 | neurosys | heh sound works :) |
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| 15:27.04 | GraveDigger | funny! if i set keyboard shortcuts for amarok in system settings then they work fine, but if i set them within amarok directly they do not ... is that considered a bug or a feature` |
| 15:27.07 | GraveDigger | ? |
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| 15:27.39 | tstaerk | depends on who reports it |
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| 15:30.31 | GraveDigger | lol |
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| 15:32.41 | Vital | Is there a list with the standard names (and description for what icon to use where) for the KIcon class? kde4.1 |
| 15:32.46 | GraveDigger | pumphaus: ha, erwischt |
| 15:32.51 | pumphaus | mh |
| 15:33.00 | GraveDigger | ;) |
| 15:33.31 | tstaerk | Vital, type kde:kicon in your konqueror |
| 15:34.01 | tstaerk | Vital, wait, do you mean the icons or the icon class? |
| 15:35.09 | tstaerk | oh, I see |
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| 15:38.39 | Vital | tstaerk: icon class :) |
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| 15:39.55 | Vital | or, no, rather the names of the icons that I can use with the kicon class |
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| 15:52.28 | dagon^ | hey guys, do you know of a media player that doesn't lag when you've got 10k+ songs in the playlist? |
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| 15:57.06 | blauzahl-laptop | dagon^: i believe they are all working on this. ;) |
| 15:57.14 | dagon^ | hehe |
| 15:57.19 | dagon^ | so it's a common problem then :) |
| 15:58.07 | dagon^ | wine'ing winamp is not an option :P |
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| 16:01.50 | dagon^ | blauzahl-laptop; which app do you use personally for mp3? :) |
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| 16:06.34 | sandsmark | dagon^: amarok |
| 16:06.41 | sandsmark | or juk |
| 16:06.46 | dagon^ | lag on amarok |
| 16:06.54 | sandsmark | amarok2 should handle insanely large playlists very well |
| 16:06.57 | sandsmark | dagon^: doesn't here =p |
| 16:07.10 | sandsmark | more like ~9k songs, though |
| 16:07.12 | dagon^ | sandsmark; I guess you're a lucky guy then :) |
| 16:07.19 | sandsmark | dagon^: amarok1 or amarok2? |
| 16:07.27 | sandsmark | dagon^: and try juk? |
| 16:07.28 | dagon^ | I'm running amarok1.4 |
| 16:07.35 | dagon^ | what is this "juk"? |
| 16:07.56 | drantin | comes with kde usually |
| 16:07.58 | sandsmark | the default kde music player? |
| 16:07.59 | dagon^ | amarok2 is just a SVN, isn't it? |
| 16:08.01 | drantin | since 3.something |
| 16:08.14 | sandsmark | dagon^: nah, they've released alphas (and maybe a beta, I'm not sure) |
| 16:08.23 | dagon^ | hmm, better check that out then |
| 16:09.32 | dagon^ | I'm pretty new to kde so I'm something of a noob right now :D |
| 16:09.50 | dagon^ | been running gnome since the beginning of time |
| 16:10.05 | luke-jr | amarok2 is always constantly updating the collection -.- |
| 16:10.28 | luke-jr | even though it rarely changes |
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| 16:11.06 | drantin | and pulls updates for covers when it already had the correct one set manually, but that's why it's not in a release yet... |
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| 16:13.36 | dagon^ | why isn't there an option to "Unpack here.." with Ark on right click? |
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| 16:13.54 | dagon^ | it's pretty annoying to have to open with Ark and THEN unpack |
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| 16:14.26 | Jucato | because Ark hasn't implemented that yet in 4.1 |
| 16:14.59 | dagon^ | I'm using 3.5.1 |
| 16:15.30 | Jucato | hm? then it should be there |
| 16:15.41 | Jucato | although I think it's an addon/plugin... |
| 16:15.49 | dagon^ | hey, I gotta ask you guys. I'm running openSUSE11, can you use yast in terminal like in Ubuntu with apt? |
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| 16:16.23 | drantin | uh... wrong channel to ask? |
| 16:16.28 | dagon^ | just asking... |
| 16:16.34 | Jucato | dagon^: #opensuse for that one |
| 16:16.46 | dagon^ | I'm sorry if I broke some rule |
| 16:17.00 | Jucato | nope. just telling you were you'll get an answer :) |
| 16:17.07 | dagon^ | I'll sweep by #opensuse then :) |
| 16:17.15 | Jucato | (well, it is also a rule.. but you didn't know. now you do) |
| 16:17.16 | Jucato | :P |
| 16:17.26 | dagon^ | thanks for notifying me ;) |
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| 16:22.39 | luke-jr | dagon_: more annoying IMO is that Ark won't embed in Konqueror anymore |
| 16:22.53 | dagon_ | yeah |
| 16:23.19 | Jucato | luke-jr: 4.1? |
| 16:23.23 | luke-jr | Jucato: yeah |
| 16:23.33 | luke-jr | Konqueror insists on launching Ark externally |
| 16:23.51 | Jucato | actually iirc it wasn't really ark that embedded in Konqueror 3. but that can be done in KDE 4 |
| 16:23.59 | luke-jr | eh |
| 16:24.17 | luke-jr | well, if I middle clicked a ZIP or something in KDE 3.5, it would open the archive in a new tab in Konq |
| 16:24.56 | sandsmark | dagon_: which distro do you use? |
| 16:24.58 | Jucato | yeah. but I'm not sure if it was Ark that did that or a kioslave |
| 16:25.04 | dagon_ | sandsmark; openSUSE11 |
| 16:25.29 | luke-jr | Jucato: it had Ark's UI to some extent |
| 16:25.34 | Jucato | luke-jr: anyway, you can do that in Konq 4.1 too. just have to set it in Dolphin |
| 16:25.34 | luke-jr | more annoying than the lack of Ark-embedding is the lack of PDF embedding |
| 16:25.36 | sandsmark | dagon_: you could try installing this manually, then; http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Extract+And+Compress+KDE4?content=84206 |
| 16:25.43 | luke-jr | Jucato: I don't use Dolphin |
| 16:25.57 | gades | hello everybody |
| 16:26.03 | Jucato | luke-jr: I didn't say you have to use Dolphin. I said "you have to set it in Dolphin" |
| 16:26.09 | dagon_ | sandsmark; thanks, I'll look into it |
| 16:26.29 | Jucato | sandsmark: I thought dagon_was using KDE 3? |
| 16:26.35 | dagon_ | true |
| 16:26.42 | Jucato | that's for KDE 4 |
| 16:26.42 | dagon_ | I downgraded to 3.5.1 |
| 16:26.52 | dagon_ | some things work anyways |
| 16:26.54 | sandsmark | ah, ok |
| 16:26.59 | sandsmark | dagon_: nvm, then =) |
| 16:27.03 | dagon_ | :) |
| 16:27.08 | Jucato | like I said, it should be there in KDE 3.5.. must be a separate package |
| 16:27.21 | dagon_ | if I get the time I'll google it |
| 16:27.22 | dagon_ | :D |
| 16:27.23 | Jucato | luke-jr: Settings -> Configure Dolphin -> General page -> Browse through archives |
| 16:27.38 | Jucato | dagon_: or ask in your distro's channel for the package :) |
| 16:27.45 | dagon_ | I could do that :P |
| 16:28.02 | dagon_ | there |
| 16:28.09 | luke-jr | Jucato: and that affects Konqueror? |
| 16:28.11 | dagon_ | zypper is most likely my answer |
| 16:28.21 | dagon_ | *downloading and installing* |
| 16:28.21 | Jucato | luke-jr: yes. |
| 16:28.29 | drantin | konqueror in kde4 uses dolphin kparts ... |
| 16:28.43 | Jucato | although middle-click to open it in a new tab doesn't seem to work. clicking/double-clicking does |
| 16:28.55 | Jucato | (that is a bug) |
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| 16:30.11 | luke-jr | odd |
| 16:30.22 | luke-jr | middle click worked for me |
| 16:30.34 | luke-jr | but I want to be prompted to Save/Open if I left click :/ |
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| 16:31.04 | dagon_ | hmm, it will be audacious 'til some hack comes up to amarok :P |
| 16:31.12 | luke-jr | (and it didn't work for PDF) |
| 16:31.22 | Jucato | hmm? |
| 16:31.22 | dagon_ | it only lags when you scroll through the playlist, I can live with that |
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| 16:31.50 | sandsmark | dagon_: audacious performs much worse than amarok(2) here |
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| 16:31.54 | sandsmark | on large playlists |
| 16:31.59 | dagon_ | sandsmark; hmm, weird :P |
| 16:32.05 | sandsmark | indeed |
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| 16:32.31 | dagon_ | sorry about the following words |
| 16:32.42 | dagon_ | motherfucker! xmms loaded the list in 0.1ms |
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| 16:32.46 | sandsmark | "I love this company!" |
| 16:32.49 | dagon_ | 10k songs like that |
| 16:32.56 | sandsmark | dagon_: did you try juk? |
| 16:33.07 | dagon_ | hmm no I forgot that |
| 16:33.16 | sandsmark | \o/ |
| 16:33.21 | sandsmark | ;p |
| 16:33.50 | dagon_ | bash: juk: command not found |
| 16:33.53 | dagon_ | hmm |
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| 16:34.33 | paxco | como va esto |
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| 16:34.44 | dagon_ | que? |
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| 16:36.21 | dagon_ | sandsmark; dude, juk is a kde4-app according to yast |
| 16:36.29 | dagon_ | I found jampal though |
| 16:36.49 | dagon_ | * Jampal stores a music library of over 22000 songs with ease. * You can sort, organize and categorize your tracks. * It is very fast. You can sort 12000 tracks in under a second. * You can update hundreds of track tags in one operation in a few seconds. |
| 16:36.52 | dagon_ | Sounds good to me |
| 16:36.54 | dagon_ | :) |
| 16:37.26 | Jucato | dagon_: no. Juk is also a KDE 3 app |
| 16:38.45 | sandsmark | dagon_: I've had 500GB of music loaded into amarok1, using a postgres database... |
| 16:39.05 | sandsmark | I'll admit it lagged a bit first time I clicked on the collection tab, but after the first time it was smooth |
| 16:39.17 | sandsmark | (no, I didn't try to add all the music to the playlist =) |
| 16:39.23 | dagon_ | :p |
| 16:39.33 | dagon_ | Jucato; allrightey then, I'll look it up |
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| 16:44.59 | octox2 | can you put plasma panels on the sides of the desktops yet ? |
| 16:45.37 | octox2 | nvermind, i got it |
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| 16:46.07 | drantin | in trunk I can, probably a way in 4.1.1 too, just not as apparent... |
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| 16:48.38 | Jucato | it has been possible since July |
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| 16:49.03 | dagon_ | hmm, with which program do you open .wsz? :o |
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| 16:57.56 | kriko | I just saw a video about Extenders. Will this be ready in 4.2? |
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| 16:59.25 | hyper_ch | anyone using akreggator in kdepim for kde4.1? |
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| 17:04.22 | xjunior | I upgraded from kde 4.1.0 to 4.1.1, and now there isn't any visual effect plugin at Desktop Effects -> All Effects. Where are them now? Were they moved to some package? |
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| 17:11.06 | Ein_bischen_klei | pls spendet bin arm spende 100% zurück !!!!!!!!! http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/8659152/ |
| 17:11.44 | xjunior | anybody? |
| 17:11.51 | boom1992 | Ein_bischen_klei: -.- I hope noone clicks |
| 17:11.57 | coalao | Holla |
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| 17:12.09 | xjunior | holla |
| 17:12.26 | drantin | i google the domain before clicking things with weird numbers at the end of the URL... |
| 17:13.30 | bonsaikitten | pennergame is a known spammer source ... kids think they are the first to think of it |
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| 17:14.01 | Theory | some networks don't let your first line to a channel contain a URL |
| 17:14.04 | Theory | because of this |
| 17:14.16 | coalao | tudo biene? |
| 17:14.46 | hyper_ch | why does akreggator not respect the last entry you select for a feed when you visit it back later? |
| 17:15.01 | luke-jr | it's not respectable. |
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| 17:15.19 | MinceR | because it isn't coded to do so |
| 17:15.37 | MinceR | neither is Liferea. |
| 17:15.56 | hyper_ch | MinceR: you talk about akreggator? |
| 17:16.01 | MinceR | also, you probably wouldn't have a way to see general info on feeds |
| 17:16.01 | coalao | estais por ai? |
| 17:16.10 | MinceR | since that's only shown until you choose an item |
| 17:16.13 | MinceR | hyper_ch: yes |
| 17:16.18 | hyper_ch | MinceR: I think you don't understand the issue |
| 17:16.26 | hyper_ch | MinceR: lets say I have a feed with 700 entries |
| 17:16.33 | MinceR | perhaps you didn't express it clearly enough. :> |
| 17:16.40 | hyper_ch | I sort it top (=oldest) to bottom (=newest) |
| 17:17.07 | hyper_ch | MinceR: now, I scroll it to the bottom of the entries |
| 17:17.15 | hyper_ch | MinceR: when I now go to another feed and then back later on |
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| 17:17.25 | xjunior | anybody? |
| 17:17.26 | hyper_ch | MinceR: it's not scrolled to the bottom anymore |
| 17:17.29 | MinceR | oh. |
| 17:17.30 | xjunior | that can help me |
| 17:17.32 | xjunior | please |
| 17:17.42 | MinceR | it would be nice if it could be told to automatically start at the bottom |
| 17:17.58 | MinceR | actually it shouldn't be too difficult to write a patch to do so :> |
| 17:18.00 | coalao | holla |
| 17:18.14 | Half-Left | xjunior: We can't read minds |
| 17:18.20 | coalao | please...help me |
| 17:18.23 | octox2 | is there a way to use kget for all of the firefooox downloads, ir is that not somthin gi want to do ? |
| 17:18.24 | MinceR | (of course, that's not perfect -- optimally it should put the first unread entry on the top of the viewport) |
| 17:18.24 | hyper_ch | MinceR: problem with the other sort order top (=newest) to bottom (=oldest) is, that I often just click on the top bar that changes the sorting |
| 17:18.55 | hyper_ch | MinceR: is that worth reporting as bug? |
| 17:19.23 | Half-Left | coalao: We can't read minds, state your problem |
| 17:19.23 | MinceR | if there's a priority setting for wishlist/features, then it might be |
| 17:19.34 | hyper_ch | MinceR: I know what's the cause of it... |
| 17:19.42 | hyper_ch | MinceR: if one feed has 100 entries |
| 17:19.47 | hyper_ch | MinceR: and the other one 1000 entries |
| 17:20.05 | hyper_ch | MinceR: then it will use the position of the previous feed and display that in the new feed |
| 17:20.23 | hyper_ch | MinceR: so when I click on the 1000 feed entry, then I will end up at #100 |
| 17:20.53 | xjunior | where are the default desktop effects plugins? where they moved to some special package? |
| 17:20.56 | xjunior | if yes, what package? |
| 17:20.59 | MinceR | i haven't seen such behavior either |
| 17:21.57 | Half-Left | xjunior: What desktop effects are you asking about? |
| 17:23.23 | hyper_ch | MinceR: that was aimed at me? |
| 17:23.44 | MinceR | yes |
| 17:24.10 | luke-jr | Half-Left: speak for yourself; some of us CAN read minds |
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| 17:24.24 | luke-jr | though perhaps not over IRC |
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| 17:24.38 | xjunior | Half-Left: all them.... when I go to System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects, the list is empty |
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| 17:26.39 | Half-Left | xjunior: distro packages? |
| 17:26.52 | Half-Left | luke-jr: I dont think so somehow :p |
| 17:27.06 | xjunior | Half-Left: gentoo kde-testing official overlay. |
| 17:27.24 | xjunior | and kde is installed with kdeprefix, if it says something |
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| 17:27.39 | Half-Left | xjunior: Well you need to ask gentoo channel then because each dsitro may name them different |
| 17:28.13 | xjunior | Half-Left: but, were they moved to some special package? |
| 17:28.22 | xjunior | because if yes, I think that gentoo keeps the original name |
| 17:28.25 | drantin | gentoo splits them up |
| 17:28.36 | Half-Left | We dont know, we only deal with compile from source kde here |
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| 17:29.13 | xjunior | humm... |
| 17:29.17 | Half-Left | usually, kdebase, kdebase-workspace, kdebase-runtime |
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| 17:29.27 | luke-jr | Half-Left: Gentoo is from source |
| 17:29.27 | xjunior | Half-Left: well, thank you then ;) |
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| 17:29.45 | Half-Left | kdebase-workspace maybe the one you need |
| 17:30.12 | Half-Left | luke-jr: I wouldn't know what thats why we dont ask in here |
| 17:31.01 | xjunior | Half-Left: I have here plasma-workspace and libkworkspace |
| 17:31.15 | Half-Left | ^see |
| 17:31.42 | Half-Left | Ask in #gentoo |
| 17:32.00 | xjunior | Half-Left: they will redirect me to #gentoo-kde |
| 17:32.03 | drantin | xjunior: it would be better to ask in #gentoo-kde |
| 17:32.07 | xjunior | which is more like a ghost channel |
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| 17:32.28 | drantin | not really, you just got to it at a bad time :P |
| 17:32.54 | Half-Left | xjunior: Well we deal with kde default no how distro package up their KDE since like I said most split them up |
| 17:33.02 | Half-Left | not* |
| 17:33.03 | xjunior | hehehe, bad 3 days then :P |
| 17:33.17 | drantin | wrong time all three days likely :P |
| 17:33.31 | xjunior | Half-Left: that's ok then Half-Left. ;) thank you anyway |
| 17:33.38 | Half-Left | :) |
| 17:33.39 | drantin | since the devs working on it have shown up repeatedly :P |
| 17:34.45 | xjunior | I have here "kde-base/kdeplasma-addons", could be this one Half-Left? |
| 17:35.18 | Half-Left | Well thats usually all the extra plasmoids/wodgets |
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| 17:35.38 | Half-Left | kwin does the compositing |
| 17:35.42 | xjunior | Half-Left: really? like a complement to plasma-playground ? |
| 17:36.04 | aseigo | xjunior: plasma playground is not meant for general use and consumption |
| 17:36.15 | aseigo | xjunior: kdeplasma-addons is |
| 17:36.22 | aseigo | xjunior: playground is where we .. well .. play |
| 17:36.30 | xjunior | aseigo: humm...... I see hehehe |
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| 17:38.41 | xjunior | ok, the last question I have by now is: how do I remove a installed plasmoid? I installed a macosx widget for test pourposes, now I don't know how to remove it. I also followed a tutorial to create kde plasmoid, and now I have a "Tutorial 1" plasmoid that I can't remove |
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| 17:46.29 | hyper_ch | MinceR: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170933 |
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| 17:53.05 | Half-Left | Gah, electric went off |
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| 18:00.21 | coalao | ola amigos |
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| 18:01.11 | aseigo | gives Half-Left a bike to generate his own ;) |
| 18:01.23 | Half-Left | hahahaha |
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| 18:02.35 | Half-Left | aseigo: I have to put money in the kde graphics meter now |
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| 18:03.24 | texnofobix | looks in |
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| 18:05.53 | coalao | ola amigos |
| 18:06.17 | pinotree | hi coalao (english please) |
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| 18:07.08 | coalao | sorry |
| 18:07.19 | coalao | I dont espeak englesh |
| 18:07.37 | annma | try a kde channel with your language then |
| 18:07.40 | pinotree | then try #kde-es |
| 18:07.43 | coalao | *english |
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| 18:08.36 | coalao | =) |
| 18:08.47 | coalao | brasil=portugues |
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| 18:09.11 | pinotree | then #kde-brasil |
| 18:09.17 | coalao | \o/ |
| 18:11.04 | coalao | Pinotree o SR is BAD? |
| 18:11.14 | pinotree | ? |
| 18:11.34 | coalao | you are Bad? |
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| 18:11.47 | annma | coalao: we talk about KDE here |
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| 18:14.56 | coalao | what? |
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| 18:16.55 | Half-Left | Oh I dont beleive this |
| 18:17.24 | annma | what's up Half-Left |
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| 18:18.05 | Half-Left | I just built laest soprano and it says no support for sesame2 backend |
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| 18:18.22 | Half-Left | yet in kdesupport it builds the damn backend |
| 18:18.23 | annma | no support? |
| 18:18.28 | coalao | No? |
| 18:18.36 | annma | where does it say so |
| 18:18.41 | Half-Left | Yer because you need java |
| 18:18.57 | Half-Left | soprano 2.1.1 |
| 18:19.06 | annma | you need java for sesame |
| 18:19.23 | Half-Left | yer but kdesupport version picks it up |
| 18:19.43 | annma | does your distro have sesame? |
| 18:19.51 | Half-Left | nope |
| 18:19.54 | annma | or did you pick it from the webpage |
| 18:20.02 | annma | ah, ok, same here |
| 18:20.20 | Half-Left | -- Soprano Components that will NOT be built: |
| 18:20.27 | Half-Left | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.57 | annma | it should work, we talked about it recently with other devels |
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| 18:21.40 | Half-Left | annma: Trunk kdesupport says |
| 18:21.49 | Half-Left | * Sesame2 storage backend (java-based) |
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| 18:21.57 | Half-Left | Will be built |
| 18:22.09 | annma | so did it build? |
| 18:22.38 | Half-Left | yer but it's stange that latest soprano dont |
| 18:22.45 | Half-Left | strange* |
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| 18:23.05 | coalao | como |
| 18:23.07 | coalao | desculpa |
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| 18:23.12 | coalao | nao estou entendendo vcs |
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| 18:23.15 | yxz97 | hello ! |
| 18:23.49 | yxz97 | I would like just jave in my task bar in KDE kdestop, just the application in the current workspace, is possible keep these applications ? |
| 18:23.56 | Half-Left | annma: Looks liek I'll have to use the one in kdesupport on it's own |
| 18:23.57 | yxz97 | am I clear ? |
| 18:23.59 | yxz97 | :S |
| 18:24.12 | coalao | quem sao voces? |
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| 18:24.36 | coalao | pq nao falam direito? |
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| 18:24.48 | yxz97 | SOmeone here speaks Englishs ?? |
| 18:24.57 | yxz97 | English ? |
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| 18:25.04 | Half-Left | haha yep |
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| 18:25.52 | yxz97 | I need have the current workspace application in the task bar, and NOT all applications running ? Is this possible ? |
| 18:25.55 | yxz97 | Thank you |
| 18:26.16 | gkiagia | hmm... kmail trunk is 1.10.0 and kmail from 4.1.1 is 1.10.1... lol :P |
| 18:27.22 | Half-Left | yxz97: Task manager settings |
| 18:27.48 | yxz97 | Half-Left, you mean kcontrol ? |
| 18:28.06 | Half-Left | No on the task manager you right click |
| 18:28.31 | Half-Left | An empty space on your bar |
| 18:28.34 | yxz97 | yeah, I didn't however I cannot find an valid option about this concern.. :S |
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| 18:29.12 | Half-Left | "Only Show task from current desktop" |
| 18:29.24 | yxz97 | where is this option Half-Left |
| 18:29.27 | Half-Left | tasks* |
| 18:29.37 | Half-Left | Liek I said |
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| 18:30.19 | yxz97 | Right Click, -> Configure Panel ? Popups a title window Configure KDE Panel ? I'm going fine ? |
| 18:30.40 | yxz97 | hello annma |
| 18:31.05 | junkDawgie | we have twins |
| 18:31.07 | Half-Left | Your talking about KDE3? |
| 18:31.23 | yxz97 | Yes ! |
| 18:31.29 | Half-Left | I ahve no idea then |
| 18:31.32 | Half-Left | have* |
| 18:31.53 | yxz97 | Okay...I ought suppose that this would happen.... :S |
| 18:31.58 | pinotree | right click on the panel â configure panel â taskbar â [ ] show windows from all the desktop |
| 18:32.00 | yxz97 | I'm running 3.5.9... |
| 18:32.02 | pinotree | *destops |
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| 18:32.49 | yxz97 | hey pinotree your the man !!! |
| 18:32.52 | yxz97 | Thank you . |
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| 18:33.19 | yxz97 | a little bit less mess my thousand windows :D |
| 18:34.12 | Caine | anyone know if it is possible to tell konqueror to not create .directory files at all? |
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| 18:38.49 | gkiagia | Caine: I think this is possible if in the "view modes" in dolphin's settings you set it to use common view properties for all folders |
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| 18:48.21 | Caine | gkiagia, this is for KDE 3.3 |
| 18:48.45 | gkiagia | does kde 3.3 create .directory files? |
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| 18:49.38 | gkiagia | at least in 3.5 I don't remember such a thing |
| 18:51.01 | luke-jr | Outlook invitations crash KMail with KDE 4.1.1 â¹ |
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| 18:53.32 | Caine | hrm...I -thought- it did, but now I can't reproduce it. :) |
| 18:56.13 | Half-Left | luke-jr: Lies, all lies |
| 18:56.22 | luke-jr | Half-Left: ⦠|
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| 18:57.14 | Half-Left | :p |
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| 19:12.25 | mtk | any gentoo users know if KDE 4.1.1 is available in the portage yet? i'm dying to get it.. |
| 19:13.04 | annma | ask on #gentoo-kde |
| 19:13.14 | annma | they have a thing called overlay |
| 19:13.15 | mtk | thx |
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| 19:13.56 | mtk | I heard of the overlay but also heard it's quite buggy |
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| 19:14.20 | bonsaikitten | mtk: rumors. |
| 19:14.46 | mtk | :) |
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| 19:18.02 | annma | mtk: how would it be buggy |
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| 19:18.41 | luke-jr | fun |
| 19:18.45 | luke-jr | KMail just lost an email on me |
| 19:18.50 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 19:20.02 | luke-jr | oh, how nice |
| 19:20.10 | GraveDigger | which package is "kdevplatformconfig.cmake" in? |
| 19:20.15 | luke-jr | "Accept" on a invitation autodeletes it -.- |
| 19:20.30 | gkiagia | GraveDigger: kdevplatform ? |
| 19:20.53 | gkiagia | luke-jr: report a bug |
| 19:21.41 | GraveDigger | gkiagia: hmm... too bad my distribution does not have any package with such a name ... do you have an idea, how packages containing it might be named? |
| 19:22.27 | Half-Left | GAH, STRIGI |
| 19:22.31 | Half-Left | Unknown backend type: sopranobackend |
| 19:22.54 | gkiagia | GraveDigger: what are you trying to build? kdevplatform is a kde module |
| 19:23.09 | Half-Left | Strigi doesn't know sorano backend, hahahahaha |
| 19:23.22 | gkiagia | lol |
| 19:23.30 | Half-Left | soprano,* |
| 19:23.34 | GraveDigger | gkiagia: i am trying to build kdevelop from source, and well, i *think* i have kde development packages installed. however, it seems that this special module is missing and i am trying to figure out which package is missing |
| 19:24.14 | gkiagia | GraveDigger: right, kdevelop also requires kdevplatform. you will find that in svn too and you need to build both |
| 19:25.05 | Half-Left | slaps strigi |
| 19:25.06 | kishore | GraveDigger: i think kdevelop depends on kde 4.1++ |
| 19:25.22 | GraveDigger | kishore: exactly this is what i have installed, kde-4.1.1 |
| 19:25.30 | GraveDigger | gkiagia: alright, thank you |
| 19:25.39 | GraveDigger | has checked it out now and trys to build :) |
| 19:26.18 | GraveDigger | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.18 | GraveDigger | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.18 | Half-Left | annma: Does Nepomuk rely on Strigi in any way to use tags aross apps in any way at all? |
| 19:26.22 | GraveDigger | LOL |
| 19:26.24 | GraveDigger | okay ... :) |
| 19:26.27 | kishore | GraveDigger: try it. but i recollect mentios of it needing 4.2 (trunk) |
| 19:26.28 | Half-Left | scross* |
| 19:26.44 | GraveDigger | kishore: yeah, now i see what those mentions mean :)) |
| 19:26.44 | kishore | :) |
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| 19:29.01 | loner269_ | hi |
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| 19:30.15 | loner269_ | i got a problem i got kde4 looks nice but now i got no bar at bottom to hit my menu an see the clock an stuff how do i get it back? |
| 19:31.09 | annma | what do you get then? and what happened: you had it before? |
| 19:31.31 | loner269_ | yes last night i shut down an today its gone |
| 19:31.56 | Half-Left | Nice |
| 19:31.57 | loner269_ | theres nothing no bar just empty space |
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| 19:32.36 | loner269_ | the other kde still has its bar though so i dont get it |
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| 19:33.26 | mrsaccess | If you right click on the desktop isn't an option to add a panel? |
| 19:33.43 | mrsaccess | If so add it and then add to it a systray and a task manager widget! |
| 19:34.07 | loner269_ | i dont see anything for panel |
| 19:34.15 | loner269_ | i saw add widgit though |
| 19:34.35 | _gunni_ | Panel is a kind of widget |
| 19:35.02 | loner269_ | oh ok so hit add widgit an look for panel there? |
| 19:35.05 | _gunni_ | Ah no sorry, it has its own entry |
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| 19:35.33 | loner269_ | im lost so you know im new to this stuff |
| 19:35.55 | _gunni_ | I got "Add widget" and "Add panel" on right mouse click |
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| 19:37.16 | loner269_ | i dont |
| 19:37.36 | maddog42 | Hi all - I'm running 4.1.1 and wondering if there's any way to allow the windows overlap the panels. |
| 19:37.54 | annma | maddog42: it's in trunk |
| 19:38.00 | annma | so for 4.2 |
| 19:38.01 | pinotree | in kde 4.2 there is already |
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| 19:38.29 | maddog42 | good deal. one of the little things that you really notice... |
| 19:40.44 | loner269_ | ugh i guess ill just use the other kde i hate not knowing stuff i like kde4 better from what i saw anyway |
| 19:40.55 | loner269_ | o well sorry to bug ya have a good 1 |
| 19:41.02 | loner269_ | see ya |
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| 19:41.49 | tuxick | heh i clicked "hide menubar" and now no idea how to get it back |
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| 19:41.58 | annma | ctrl M |
| 19:42.12 | Half-Left | Oh nice, sound just dropped out |
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| 19:42.13 | tuxick | cheers |
| 19:42.16 | SidGBF | Where to download a windows phonon backend? |
| 19:42.21 | maddog42 | thanks guys... |
| 19:42.38 | annma | SidGBF: ask in #kde-windows |
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| 19:55.27 | coalao | mabu |
| 19:55.32 | coalao | holala |
| 19:55.34 | coalao | ghulla |
| 19:55.37 | coalao | hullaaaaa |
| 19:55.38 | coalao | la |
| 19:55.40 | coalao | la |
| 19:55.41 | coalao | la |
| 19:55.41 | pinotree | coalao: calm |
| 19:55.41 | coalao | l |
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| 19:55.44 | coalao | aaaaaallaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 19:55.46 | *** mode/#kde [+o pinotree] by ChanServ |
| 19:55.50 | aseigo | hehe |
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| 19:55.58 | tuxick | if only :/ |
| 19:56.10 | pinotree | .. he would behave |
| 19:56.10 | tuxick | the remote face stabber still hasn't been made |
| 19:56.17 | annma | it's a race between pinotree and me |
| 19:56.19 | tuxick | or else! |
| 19:56.27 | pinotree | kisses annma |
| 19:56.50 | annma | ;) you're forgiven then |
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| 19:58.50 | JyZyXEL | how do i see what KDE version i have? |
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| 19:59.09 | annma | in any KDE app look at the Help menu -> About KDE |
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| 20:12.42 | coalao | OLA SUAS BIXA |
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| 20:13.16 | pinotree | coalao: stop that. |
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| 20:13.26 | coalao | stop? |
| 20:13.30 | pinotree | yes |
| 20:13.31 | JyZyXEL | how do you turn that "More Applications" thing off? |
| 20:13.36 | coalao | what? |
| 20:13.39 | pinotree | JyZyXEL: set its size to 0 |
| 20:13.41 | JyZyXEL | so that all the applications are listed |
| 20:13.44 | JyZyXEL | where is that set? |
| 20:13.49 | coalao | is very very bad |
| 20:14.09 | pinotree | JyZyXEL: ah sorry, misread -- you cannot easily |
| 20:14.32 | coalao | you gay |
| 20:14.38 | coalao | Pinotree |
| 20:14.43 | pinotree | you troll |
| 20:14.48 | coalao | hahahahahahaha |
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| 20:14.52 | coalao | =) |
| 20:15.01 | pinotree | bye idiot! |
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| 20:15.54 | JyZyXEL | in the tasklist tasks that are not shown are somehow dimmed |
| 20:16.04 | JyZyXEL | how do you turn that off? |
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| 20:17.13 | _spm_Draget | Is there an easy way to add programms to autostart? |
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| 20:17.35 | pinotree | in kde4, systemsettings â advanced â autostart |
| 20:17.45 | JyZyXEL | how bout me?? |
| 20:18.00 | *** mode/#kde [-o pinotree] by pinotree |
| 20:18.10 | pinotree | "patience" is not a bad word... |
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| 20:20.12 | junkDawgie | not a problem for me at all.... my boss however, thinks differently |
| 20:21.41 | Half-Left | You have a boss? |
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| 20:23.19 | luke-jr | pinotree: what is â? |
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| 20:23.37 | pinotree | an arrow to the right |
| 20:23.43 | luke-jr | o |
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| 20:23.50 | luke-jr | what's wrong with something more common like � :þ |
| 20:24.34 | pinotree | like "->" |
| 20:24.49 | JyZyXEL | ok that is a bug |
| 20:24.58 | JyZyXEL | the "Inactive task text color" doesn't work |
| 20:25.06 | JyZyXEL | it gets lightened |
| 20:25.20 | JyZyXEL | and no way to turn it off |
| 20:25.51 | tdi_k | does anybody know how can I pop-up akregator's window through dbus (kde trunk)? with dcop it was easy .... |
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| 20:28.33 | giovine | Hello Everybody |
| 20:28.48 | giovine | I'm new on kde. I've installed kde 3.5 |
| 20:29.46 | giovine | I have a lot of same kind application. (for example Ksirc, KVirc, Konversation.....3 irc clients!!!). Is it possible remove one of this application? |
| 20:30.07 | junkDawgie | what? no xchat? |
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| 20:30.36 | junkDawgie | usually the package manager can do that for you, glovine |
| 20:30.49 | giovine | I would like have xchat or only one irc client. But I have many ir client (ksirc, kvirk, konversation, kopete) |
| 20:31.29 | giovine | I use debian and I remove con apt........when I try to remove one of this application there are a lot of depencies |
| 20:31.37 | pinotree | giovine: #debian please |
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| 20:32.16 | giovine | ok, so it's possible remove all the application of kde I want, is it? |
| 20:32.20 | JyZyXEL | http://88.115.39.161/failbar.jpg |
| 20:32.23 | JyZyXEL | now explain me that |
| 20:32.34 | pinotree | giovine: this is a task of your distribution |
| 20:32.52 | giovine | ok, I'm agree |
| 20:32.55 | gkiagia | giovine: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/faq.html (see 4) |
| 20:33.14 | gkiagia | giovine: and more questions in #debian-kde or #debian |
| 20:34.15 | gkiagia | tdi_k: use qdbus or qdbusviewer to find the method |
| 20:34.18 | giovine | Thanks a lot |
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| 20:35.35 | sigma_za | is there a kde4 utility to manage nfs shares ? |
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| 20:43.00 | JyZyXEL | can you have two row application buttons? |
| 20:43.03 | JyZyXEL | and 16x16 |
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| 20:45.43 | gkiagia | JyZyXEL: you mean buttons to launch applications in kicker? |
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| 20:50.31 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 20:50.36 | JyZyXEL | gkiagia yea |
| 20:50.55 | gkiagia | JyZyXEL: there is a quicklaunch applet that you can add to kicker and it supports that |
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| 20:51.09 | JyZyXEL | how do we get it? |
| 20:51.25 | gkiagia | right click->add applet |
| 20:51.46 | gkiagia | (I don't really remember kicker's options, but it should be around) |
| 20:52.06 | JyZyXEL | so that applet will be in this list? |
| 20:52.12 | gkiagia | I suppose |
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| 20:53.41 | JyZyXEL | well |
| 20:53.43 | JyZyXEL | it wanst |
| 20:53.53 | JyZyXEL | all this shit is WAY too big |
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| 20:54.13 | JyZyXEL | i need some multi row stuff |
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| 20:55.04 | cb400f | JyZyXEL: multirow taskbar is coming back in 4.2 |
| 20:55.27 | JyZyXEL | back? |
| 20:55.41 | g2g591 | iits not in kde 4.1 or kde 4.0 |
| 20:55.44 | gkiagia | cb400f: he is talking about quick launch in kde 3.5 |
| 20:55.51 | JyZyXEL | how bout 3.5 |
| 20:55.53 | JyZyXEL | i have that |
| 20:55.56 | JyZyXEL | it not in that too |
| 20:56.15 | JyZyXEL | infact i think its in NONE of the panels made for linux |
| 20:56.21 | JyZyXEL | what the heck makes it so hard |
| 20:56.27 | gkiagia | JyZyXEL: some distros ship that quick launch applet by default but I am not sure if it is in default kde |
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| 20:56.36 | gkiagia | but I think it is... |
| 20:56.42 | cb400f | sorry, thought it was about the taskbar |
| 20:57.04 | JyZyXEL | the system tray should also be double row |
| 20:57.11 | JyZyXEL | and 16p icons |
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| 20:59.57 | cb400f | JyZyXEL: for kde3 the quick launch applet and systray v2 applet exist |
| 21:00.03 | gkiagia | JyZyXEL: system tray *IS* double row if it grows too big in height |
| 21:00.13 | cb400f | kde4 systray is two row if the panel is tall enough |
| 21:00.41 | gkiagia | ah, it is another systray? systray version 2 ? |
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| 21:01.12 | JyZyXEL | so where do you get these applets? |
| 21:01.15 | cb400f | in kde3 there's a non-default applet for double row systray |
| 21:01.30 | cb400f | likely your distro will have them |
| 21:01.57 | gkiagia | JyZyXEL: if they are not in your list and there are no packages for them, try kde-look.org or kde-apps.org |
| 21:02.07 | JyZyXEL | debian distro |
| 21:02.22 | JyZyXEL | kdeaddons - add-on plugins and applets provided with KDE |
| 21:02.34 | JyZyXEL | would that be it? |
| 21:02.49 | cb400f | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/System+Tray+2+(with+icon+hiding+support)?content=17732 |
| 21:02.57 | cb400f | could be.. |
| 21:02.58 | gkiagia | JyZyXEL: kicker-applets maybe? |
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| 21:04.03 | skinnymg1 | i was wonder if someone in here knows of an application to do what i need |
| 21:04.04 | zeta | q: how do i upgrade my KDE 3.5.9 to 3.5.10 |
| 21:04.18 | zeta | I'm having problems with getting the login screen to use 96 DPI as opposed to 120DPI |
| 21:04.19 | cb400f | JyZyXEL: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/iquicklauncher?content=21375 |
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| 21:06.26 | skinnymg1 | ok i run run a stream on ustream and need an app kind of like audio hijack for the macs |
| 21:07.14 | skinnymg1 | one that will allow me to patch my computer's audio in to the stream |
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| 21:08.08 | luke-jr | zeta: you mean changing the login screen's resolution? |
| 21:08.50 | JyZyXEL | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
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| 21:13.41 | gkiagia | JyZyXEL: did you try first with kicker-applets? |
| 21:14.05 | JyZyXEL | yea its no use |
| 21:14.16 | gkiagia | JyZyXEL: for the error, aptitude install kdelibs4-dev |
| 21:14.38 | JyZyXEL | also needs jpg libs |
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| 21:16.00 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should just accept the defeat |
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| 21:17.28 | JyZyXEL | ill try the gnome panel |
| 21:18.26 | leomonadedrink | is there a way to maximize a window with the keyboard? |
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| 21:21.57 | stdin | leomonadedrink: alt-f3 should bring up the windows context menu (if the short-cut is set) |
| 21:22.15 | leomonadedrink | stdin: thanks! |
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| 21:26.38 | gkiagia | JyZyXEL: for whatever it needs, find the package that is named after what it asks and that ends in -dev ;) |
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| 21:29.48 | friedrich| | powerdevil from kdereview doesn't happen to start - it says it can't find its powerdevil.desktop |
| 21:30.08 | friedrich| | gmm |
| 21:30.09 | friedrich| | hmm |
| 21:30.21 | friedrich| | it says "kded/powerdevil.desktop" not found |
| 21:30.25 | friedrich| | but that thing is installed. |
| 21:30.37 | friedrich| | at /usr/share/kde4/services/kded/powerdevil.desktop |
| 21:30.42 | friedrich| | does it need a different path? |
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| 21:39.11 | ebdomino | ++ |
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| 21:47.33 | Jefis | Hello, i'm having little problems with kio_slave |
| 21:47.36 | Jefis | konqueror(4664): couldn't create slave: "Unable to create io-slave: |
| 21:47.36 | Jefis | klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'. |
| 21:47.40 | Jefis | any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 22:00.33 | marcparis | hi |
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| 22:01.08 | marcparis | in the kde control center, there are an area to assign action to a keyboard key..... does it's suppose to work in kde 4.1? |
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| 22:01.58 | marcparis | with opensuse 11.0 and kde 4.1.1, i have ksnapshot assigner to printsreen key... but no action happen if i click on it.... |
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| 22:03.48 | tof | :> |
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| 22:03.54 | qknight | hey |
| 22:04.26 | tof | hey ;] |
| 22:04.27 | qknight | i want that kde with that 3d things control. is that compiz-fusion with a kde like control |
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| 22:04.45 | qknight | i don't know but it is kde 4.1 i would guess |
| 22:04.51 | qknight | what is it exactly? |
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| 22:05.11 | tof | sorry man i just checking this cannal ;] |
| 22:06.09 | octox2 | sometimes my screensaver fills the screen, sometimes plasma puts it in the upper left corner. IS this someting that everyone is experiencing? |
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| 22:12.00 | hdevalence | does anyone here know of a good distro which isn't Kubuntu intrepid and uses KDE 4.1? |
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| 22:18.10 | friedrich| | ^hdevalence: arch maybe |
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| 22:19.49 | ^hdevalence | freeedrich|: how difficult is it? |
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| 22:36.11 | qknight | hdevalence: i think as difficult as with gentoo |
| 22:36.16 | qknight | since kde 4.1 is pretty new |
| 22:36.21 | qknight | but i'm only guessing |
| 22:36.46 | hdevalence | I think I'm going to go for opensuse |
| 22:36.58 | hdevalence | tried gentoo once, but I'm too impatient for it |
| 22:37.38 | qknight | hdevalence: in this case it would be best to just 'wait' |
| 22:37.52 | blauzahl-laptop | opensuse is supposedly nice. but i might be biased towards blue-haired developers. |
| 22:38.10 | hdevalence | qknight: well right now I'm using 4.1 on kubuntu 8.10 |
| 22:38.17 | gkiagia | debian also runs fine with 4.1 |
| 22:38.18 | hdevalence | but I'm having an issue |
| 22:38.24 | blauzahl-laptop | i run from trunk, so i can't give useful advice. i use debian, though. |
| 22:38.25 | qknight | hdevalence: but installing it there is quite easy compared to other systems right now |
| 22:38.29 | qknight | ok suse might be good, too |
| 22:38.37 | hdevalence | qknight: that's what I've heard too |
| 22:38.58 | blauzahl-laptop | hdevalence: just one issue? |
| 22:39.03 | qknight | but i can't say anything aobut it really, didn't use it yet (suse with any kde 4.x version) |
| 22:39.07 | hdevalence | blauzahl-laptop: yes |
| 22:39.19 | qknight | just used kubuntu with 4.x from scratch which was working out of the place |
| 22:39.22 | blauzahl-laptop | were you going to ask for help on it? :) |
| 22:39.36 | hdevalence | one very very mysterious, improbable to fix issue |
| 22:39.45 | blauzahl-laptop | granted there is #kubuntu-kde or something as well |
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| 22:41.04 | hdevalence | blauzahl-laptop: summary: I have problems using certain servers, including svn.kde.org. I can connect to them, even use "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" and get a response |
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| 22:41.17 | hdevalence | but I cannot actually *use* them |
| 22:41.28 | hdevalence | tracroute seems fine |
| 22:42.09 | blauzahl-laptop | hmm. last i checked, there actually were two bug reports open on problems similar to that |
| 22:42.13 | hdevalence | really? |
| 22:42.15 | hdevalence | hm |
| 22:42.17 | blauzahl-laptop | maybe just one |
| 22:42.18 | blauzahl-laptop | yeah. |
| 22:42.18 | hdevalence | ick |
| 22:42.23 | hdevalence | bbl |
| 22:42.24 | Chani | collapses |
| 22:42.27 | blauzahl-laptop | are you using konq or something else? |
| 22:42.53 | hdevalence|away | blauzahl-laptop: it happens with konq,FF3, and links, as well as svn. but I need to go for a bit |
| 22:43.17 | blauzahl-laptop | interesting. i would search bugzilla for things cc'd to thiago, it sounds like his area. |
| 22:43.25 | blauzahl-laptop | i'd look in kubuntu bugzilla too. |
| 22:43.38 | blauzahl-laptop | that's a pretty serious bug.... |
| 22:43.53 | gkiagia | pretty mysterious actually |
| 22:43.56 | blauzahl-laptop | the one i'm thinking of was just a random occurrence. |
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| 22:44.10 | blauzahl-laptop | oh, gkiagia remembers it, i bet ;) |
| 22:44.18 | gkiagia | no such luck :) |
| 22:44.58 | gkiagia | what does wireshark say? that should show the bug... |
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| 22:57.43 | hdevalence | gkiagia: ping |
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| 22:58.39 | djdarkman | hello, how can I align the systray left or right on a panel? (in kde4) |
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| 22:58.55 | zeta | how can i set the text of the login screen to use 96 dpi as opposed to 120 dpi> |
| 23:00.44 | pinotree | kde control center â look&themes â fonts |
| 23:01.54 | zeta | pinotree: i did that, but it only changed in the rest of x, and not the login screen |
| 23:02.01 | zeta | my login screen still has big ugly bold fonts |
| 23:02.09 | zeta | in KDE4+ the issue was resolved |
| 23:02.22 | zeta | but KDE 3.5 has the bug still |
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| 23:30.07 | pal | Can I install Kde4 when using kde 3.5? |
| 23:30.40 | bonsaikitten | if your distro supports it or you build from source yes |
| 23:30.45 | pal | and should I swith off X server? |
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| 23:31.21 | pal | I have mandriva 2008.1 powerpack x86_64 |
| 23:32.01 | bonsaikitten | why not ask in #mandriva or such a channel then? they might know |
| 23:32.05 | pal | default kde 3.5 installed now but i want to change to 4.1 |
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| 23:33.10 | pal | there some people about another thing |
| 23:33.46 | pal | I know pack name- kdebase4 |
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| 23:34.41 | pal | but i not sure if it will work if i install it from mandriva control center |
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| 23:35.31 | gkiagia | hdevalence: pong? |
| 23:35.52 | gkiagia | lol |
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| 23:38.04 | ^hdevalence | gkiagia: pingpong |
| 23:38.10 | gkiagia | yeah |
| 23:38.16 | ^hdevalence | gkiagia: sorry, konverstaion was being strange |
| 23:38.23 | gkiagia | and I was away |
| 23:38.44 | ^hdevalence | gkiagia: so I used wireshark to see what actually happened when I tried to go to planetkde.org |
| 23:39.45 | ^hdevalence | gkiagia: but I didn't see anything unusual |
| 23:40.23 | gkiagia | so, the site does not open but the communication with the server is ok? |
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| 23:40.44 | ^hdevalence | gkiagia: yes |
| 23:40.53 | ^hdevalence | it responds to HEAD but not to GET |
| 23:41.06 | gkiagia | oh? |
| 23:41.19 | hdevalence | and with svn.kde.org I can ssh in, but can't use svn+ssh |
| 23:41.56 | gkiagia | maybe kubuntu has some sort of wierd firewall? |
| 23:42.19 | hdevalence | gkiagia: that would be a very weird firewall |
| 23:42.25 | gkiagia | indeed |
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| 23:43.37 | hdevalence | gkiagia: the best part is, I can't search b.k.o |
| 23:43.44 | gkiagia | lol |
| 23:44.31 | hdevalence | gkiagia: or software.opensuse,org |
| 23:44.34 | gkiagia | is that interpid? |
| 23:44.39 | hdevalence | gkiagia: yes |
| 23:44.51 | gkiagia | I am not surprised... |
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| 23:45.24 | gkiagia | what kernel does that ship? |
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| 23:46.27 | hdevalence | gkiagia: uname -a gives me "2.6.27-2-generic" |
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| 23:47.34 | gkiagia | hdevalence: based on the fact that 2.6.27 is not released yet, it could well be a kernel bug |
| 23:47.49 | hdevalence | probably an evil plot to stop people from using suse. |
| 23:47.56 | gkiagia | lo |
| 23:47.59 | gkiagia | lol |
| 23:49.00 | hdevalence | is there a SUSE amd64 CD torrent? |
| 23:49.12 | hdevalence | I searched on isohunt but I only found the DVD |
| 23:50.24 | gkiagia | how does isohunt work if http GET doesn't work? :S |
| 23:51.23 | gkiagia | hdevalence: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/iso/torrent/openSUSE-11.0-KDE4-LiveCD-x86_64.torrent ? |
| 23:51.42 | hdevalence | gkiagia: it's only for certain site |
| 23:51.44 | hdevalence | s |
| 23:51.49 | gkiagia | I am not sure if it is the right cd, I am not an opensuse user |
| 23:52.17 | hdevalence | perhaps I will ask in #suse |
| 23:52.19 | gkiagia | hdevalence: maybe your isp has that evil plot? |
| 23:52.23 | gkiagia | :P |
| 23:52.33 | hdevalence | gkiagia: well they *are* in bed with MS |
| 23:52.35 | gkiagia | yeah, better ask there |
| 23:54.18 | gkiagia | well, I am off to bed... goodnight |
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| 23:59.17 | Shirakawasuna | does kde 4.1.1 have a frontend for networkmanager? I remember reading about it a while back, someone saying it was for kde 4.1... |
