| 00:00.15 | junkDawgie | bets ritslinux will be back soon to gloat |
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| 00:00.54 | octox2 | N9NU: ok, im glad im not the only one. Im a 2 day old in 4.1 :) |
| 00:01.35 | N9NU | ah...dont feel bad. i dont there there is a single soul in here that hasnt bashed their head in at least once |
| 00:01.45 | octox2 | N9NU: what is up wit Dolphin? why? and is it better than Konq ? |
| 00:02.15 | N9NU | if you do a quick side by side view, they look the same eh |
| 00:02.58 | octox2 | N9NU: it looks ok, but i cant get it to stay in detail veiw lol |
| 00:03.18 | N9NU | did you adjust the options at the very bottom of the option "View settings" |
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| 00:03.29 | N9NU | oops |
| 00:03.31 | N9NU | i ment |
| 00:03.40 | N9NU | VIew------Adjust view settings |
| 00:03.56 | N9NU | or properties at the bottom |
| 00:04.16 | N9NU | check the boxes that will place the config to all others |
| 00:04.51 | N9NU | Apply View Properties to: All Folders and then check "use default fow new folders" |
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| 00:05.00 | octox2 | lol, well it seems to be sticking now. i may have gotten an update recently |
| 00:05.21 | octox2 | N9NU: just delet .kde4 ? |
| 00:05.51 | N9NU | just remember if you do, you will be back at the default kde 4.x screen with the default taskbar, etc |
| 00:06.05 | N9NU | thats the only thing that it dumps...the eye candy and menu settings |
| 00:06.07 | octox2 | yea, i was pretty muc there still |
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| 00:06.21 | N9NU | i do make a backup of |
| 00:06.33 | N9NU | .kde4/ in case i need anything |
| 00:06.44 | N9NU | or to see something in the future for comparison |
| 00:07.06 | N9NU | you will go back to the "oxygen" theme |
| 00:07.17 | N9NU | i did that about 10 times already |
| 00:07.22 | octox2 | N9NU: wow, it recreated it imidiately lol |
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| 00:07.27 | octox2 | brb |
| 00:07.28 | N9NU | yeah |
| 00:07.32 | N9NU | its snappy |
| 00:08.07 | kdepepo | ritslinux, 4.1 ? |
| 00:08.36 | ritslinux | Hi all, I am back "in the air".......looks things have changed...how am I sure I am on 4.1 ?? |
| 00:09.00 | N9NU | go to any |
| 00:09.02 | N9NU | help |
| 00:09.04 | kdepepo | ritslinux, right click on desktop... it should have a "add widgets..." entry |
| 00:09.42 | N9NU | click on any "help"icon at the top of any KDE app |
| 00:09.45 | N9NU | it will tell ya |
| 00:09.57 | N9NU | K Desktop Environment |
| 00:09.58 | N9NU | Version 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1.1) |
| 00:10.10 | kdepepo | N9NU, he might running KDE 4 apps on a KDE 3 desktop... |
| 00:10.26 | N9NU | oh..i didnt know that |
| 00:10.49 | N9NU | oh yeah i almost forgot |
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| 00:11.12 | N9NU | its time to upload the Kcontrol for KDE 4.1.1 gui enhancement |
| 00:11.19 | N9NU | no more "systemsettings" |
| 00:11.24 | N9NU | unless you like that one better |
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| 00:11.30 | ritslinux | looks I have that......only lost my sound I noticed |
| 00:11.39 | N9NU | welcome to the crowd |
| 00:11.47 | kdepepo | ritslinux, yeah, phonon is a bit flakey still.... |
| 00:11.59 | ritslinux | pardon ????? |
| 00:12.12 | octox2 | N9NU: lol, i still have no icons, but i have a folder view of the desktop with the icons in it ? ol |
| 00:12.25 | N9NU | oh my |
| 00:12.49 | N9NU | yeah...the most important thing to remember now is that Icons are no longer |
| 00:12.57 | N9NU | and they are "widgets" |
| 00:13.01 | N9NU | or plasmanoids |
| 00:13.07 | ritslinux | I have to look into my "no-sound"-problem |
| 00:13.35 | N9NU | check that damn pulse audio |
| 00:13.37 | N9NU | crap |
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| 00:13.42 | octox2 | well, it was the folder view plsmoid |
| 00:13.52 | N9NU | yeah thats the one i use |
| 00:13.57 | N9NU | as well as "Desktop" |
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| 00:14.27 | octox2 | if i look at my desktop folder, i have the .desktop files there, but they dont show in plasma |
| 00:14.44 | ritslinux | Is theire not a "genuine-way" to check if 4.1 is running ? |
| 00:14.57 | Rayy | junkDawgie: lolz, i fixed it |
| 00:15.07 | Borg^Queen | hey people quick questoin, http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=fat+dog&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2 as you can see there are images of fat dogs I can't remember how to turn on and off image view in konq. |
| 00:15.14 | Rayy | junkDawgie: or it fixed itself |
| 00:15.22 | Borg^Queen | a friend has some how managed to turn if off and can't see the images. Anyone remember how to turn it back on? |
| 00:15.33 | kdepepo | ritslinux, did you upgrade from 4.0 or from 3.5 ? |
| 00:15.37 | N9NU | You should be able to see KDE 4.1.1 at the top of anything....like Xchat or Konversation |
| 00:15.49 | N9NU | goto Help---about KDE |
| 00:15.58 | N9NU | from a terminal or whatever app |
| 00:16.03 | kdepepo | Konversation is KDE 3 :) |
| 00:16.04 | ritslinux | No, from 4.0 to 4.1 |
| 00:16.23 | N9NU | oh yeah...crap i just noticed that |
| 00:16.25 | N9NU | lol |
| 00:16.33 | N9NU | choose a Konsole session |
| 00:16.50 | kdepepo | ritslinux, then it's enough to check the version number in the "About KDE..." dialog (Help menu of Dolphin) |
| 00:16.55 | N9NU | i forgot that Konvo isnt updated yet |
| 00:17.36 | N9NU | you can always to the rpm -q |
| 00:17.41 | N9NU | to check any package |
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| 00:18.04 | kdepepo | N9NU, where can I get you KControl port? |
| 00:18.18 | N9NU | im just about to upload it to kde-apps |
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| 00:18.41 | N9NU | at the moment, its only in source and 64 bit Mandriva cooker RPM |
| 00:18.49 | N9NU | via QT 4 |
| 00:19.07 | Borg^Queen | ?? |
| 00:19.11 | kdepepo | url of the source? |
| 00:19.19 | kdepepo | please :) |
| 00:19.31 | N9NU | hang on about 5 mins....... |
| 00:19.46 | N9NU | i have not logged into kde-apps in awhile |
| 00:19.53 | N9NU | must find the ol password |
| 00:20.02 | kdepepo | I am fine with source RPM for mandriva... I can recompile. |
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| 00:20.27 | N9NU | i just made the first cause i run cooker 64 is all |
| 00:20.38 | ritslinux | kdepepo: It says: version 4.1.2 (kde 4.1.1 (kde 4.1>=20080828)release 32.3) |
| 00:20.43 | N9NU | lemme open my spreadsheet |
| 00:20.44 | jescis | Hello, I'm using Debian with KDE and was wondering if there was a flash plugin for konqueror. Also why my scroll wheel on my mouse can't be configured properly:/ |
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| 00:20.58 | N9NU | whoa! 4.1.2 |
| 00:21.01 | N9NU | your smokin |
| 00:21.12 | kdepepo | an updated 4.1.1 |
| 00:21.17 | N9NU | yup |
| 00:21.32 | N9NU | flash plugin = yes |
| 00:21.38 | N9NU | hang on |
| 00:22.08 | octox2 | 4.1 seems a little buggy, but i love it |
| 00:22.31 | N9NU | i used the file: swcflash or something like it |
| 00:22.36 | N9NU | i get the exact name here |
| 00:23.11 | N9NU | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.13 | N9NU | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.18 | N9NU | for 64 bit |
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| 00:23.44 | jescis | I'm on 32-bit :( |
| 00:23.51 | N9NU | oh |
| 00:23.53 | kdepepo | http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 00:23.55 | N9NU | then you have no worries |
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| 00:24.19 | N9NU | the konqplugins package handles that |
| 00:24.38 | cael | konqueror processes don't really terminate when I close them. I got > 30 dead processes ... any hints how to solve this? |
| 00:24.48 | N9NU | oh my |
| 00:25.19 | N9NU | its easiest to log out and back in |
| 00:25.41 | ritslinux | Sysinfo on openSUSE11.0 tells me: KDE: 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1 >= 20080828)) "release 32.3" |
| 00:25.43 | N9NU | Adobe is almost done with their 64 bit flash port for Linux |
| 00:25.59 | N9NU | then your indeed running 4.1.1 |
| 00:26.30 | N9NU | its just that you grabbed the SVN code |
| 00:26.35 | N9NU | or nightly build |
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| 00:27.03 | kdepepo | Nope, the SVN code is at 4.1.65 already ;) |
| 00:27.07 | ritslinux | kdepepo: your still theire ? |
| 00:27.13 | N9NU | which will always be + |
| 00:27.32 | N9NU | it dont matter |
| 00:27.34 | N9NU | your fine |
| 00:28.06 | kdepepo | N9NU, now upload your source, I am eager to try it :) |
| 00:28.39 | N9NU | ok hang on |
| 00:28.59 | ritslinux | I am hanging....... |
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| 00:29.36 | jescis | But I really came here because my need for my scroll wheel to work like it's supposed to. If only FF wasn't non-free :( |
| 00:29.55 | N9NU | install "imwheel" |
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| 00:32.52 | jescis | N9NU, must I logout and then back in or what? |
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| 00:33.37 | ritslinux | Okay...i am leaving to restart kde (for sound-checking that is...) |
| 00:33.37 | N9NU | yeah |
| 00:34.19 | octox2 | N9NU: i can go to my desktop folder, and drag them all onto plasma, and it shows them, and does not create another set of .desktop files from what i cansee |
| 00:34.42 | N9NU | thats kewl |
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| 00:34.50 | N9NU | im re-registering with kde=apps |
| 00:35.00 | N9NU | its been 4 years since a login |
| 00:35.05 | N9NU | and my info isnt there |
| 00:36.28 | octox2 | N9NU: in fact, if i drag new icons to the desktop, they dont show up in my Desktop folder either. sooooo ther must be another folder for plasma somewhere to choose what is shown on the desktop ? |
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| 00:36.38 | N9NU | yeah...there is |
| 00:36.45 | N9NU | i still havent found it |
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| 00:39.18 | N9NU | where is my email confirmation! |
| 00:43.41 | ritslinux | Okay...I am back...sound is working (tested it with a mp3-file), but in kde 4.0 I had a "poingd" when I started kde4.0...but no "poingd" in 4.1 anymore..so should I dive into this ?? |
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| 00:44.06 | N9NU | i always disable Pulse |
| 00:44.08 | N9NU | within KDE |
| 00:44.26 | N9NU | then i got my SB Audigy to work |
| 00:46.26 | junkDawgie | ritslinux: are you meaning the login jingle is missing? |
| 00:47.04 | ritslinux | Yes... |
| 00:48.00 | junkDawgie | okay that happened to me too... check in systemsettings "Sound" and see what engine you are running... i'm betting it's using gstreamer |
| 00:48.41 | junkDawgie | er.. as the backend engine.... the second tab |
| 00:48.58 | ritslinux | It is no issue if mp3's are working...... |
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| 00:50.06 | junkDawgie | amarok worked for me too... but the system jingle is an ogg sound and gstreamer choked on it.... i switched the prefered engine to Xine and rebooted... bingo |
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| 00:50.41 | ritslinux | I do not need any "boings" when I start KDE, only I want sound if it is needed... |
| 00:50.43 | N9NU | with most, gstreamer is the default with no clickable buttons to change it |
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| 00:51.30 | Jucato | "most"? |
| 00:51.41 | N9NU | default |
| 00:51.43 | N9NU | distros |
| 00:52.09 | Jucato | hm... unless KDE has drastically changed for the past 6 months, Xine is the default backend for Phonon |
| 00:52.23 | N9NU | im still usin ALSA |
| 00:52.34 | N9NU | is Phonom a program or a |
| 00:52.35 | Jucato | and I don't think distros have changed that either (at least not from what I've seen) |
| 00:52.40 | N9NU | backend |
| 00:52.46 | jlydick | hey all, i've just made an upgrade to kde4.1 and i've got a quick question i couldn't figure out: when you switch desktops, can you configure it to not animate this? i have alot of effects turned on but i can't figure out where to turn that off. |
| 00:52.50 | Jucato | no |
| 00:52.53 | N9NU | i mean the ones that come with KDE |
| 00:53.20 | Jucato | jlydick: that sort of comes built in |
| 00:53.52 | jlydick | by 'built-in' i take it you mean that's the only way it comes? :) |
| 00:53.58 | Jucato | yes |
| 00:54.06 | jlydick | i use darwin at work and i'm used to spaces i guess |
| 00:54.23 | jlydick | i'm having some sluggishness with my nvidia card so was just wondering if i could drop it |
| 00:54.29 | jlydick | (the animation) |
| 00:54.38 | N9NU | oh... i see what he is sayin |
| 00:54.42 | jlydick | thanks for answering, though. |
| 00:54.50 | Jucato | N9NU: ALSA and Phonon are not analogous. Phonon is an API layer. It's not a program (in the regular sense of the word), nor is it a backend. |
| 00:54.55 | N9NU | sure...all that can be disabled via the "systemsettings" |
| 00:55.02 | ritslinux | boys.....4.1 runs on my openSUSE 11.0 and thats the main issue.......soundproblems are "minor" to me :) |
| 00:55.17 | N9NU | under Window decoration and window this and window that |
| 00:55.18 | junkDawgie | i can only tell ya what happened to me and opensuse 11... the upgrade from 4.04 (xine) to 4.1 ended up using gstreamer.... i figure it was the packager |
| 00:55.48 | N9NU | should i un=install gstreamer and install something else? |
| 00:56.12 | junkDawgie | i have both installed and used xine as the perfered engine |
| 00:56.17 | Jucato | *shrugs* |
| 00:56.29 | N9NU | ok...no wonder..i didnt hve xine installed |
| 00:56.33 | N9NU | ZZine |
| 00:56.47 | junkDawgie | you probably do... just not the xine-phonon package |
| 00:57.31 | N9NU | yeah i had phonom-gstreamer |
| 00:57.38 | N9NU | i miss the old days |
| 00:57.39 | junkDawgie | sorry Jucato.. you know much more about this than i.... i just related my solution to the problem |
| 00:57.52 | Jucato | hmm? |
| 00:58.09 | N9NU | you can disable all the window decoration (animations) etc, from the systemsettings |
| 00:58.17 | Jucato | didn't say anything to contradict what junkDawgie said |
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| 00:58.47 | junkDawgie | :) no, i was merely defering to your judgement |
| 00:58.52 | ritslinux | If you don't mind......I come back later about sound-issues.....it is 3 o-clock over here at night...so....BYE BYE |
| 00:58.54 | junkDawgie | < dumb |
| 00:58.59 | N9NU | its under "Configure desktop effects" |
| 00:59.02 | jlydick | N9NU: you happen to know exactly where? i spent an hour or so digging through for desktop flipping animations and can't find them. |
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| 00:59.10 | N9NU | then choose or unchoose Various animations |
| 00:59.23 | Jucato | N9NU: you can't disable that particular effect |
| 00:59.40 | jlydick | yeah i have 'various animations' unselected and it still does it. |
| 00:59.43 | N9NU | oh i didnt realize you wanted to loose just one of them |
| 00:59.44 | Jucato | if you enable desktop effects, you get that switching animation |
| 00:59.45 | N9NU | which one? |
| 00:59.51 | N9NU | oh ok |
| 00:59.56 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.02 | jlydick | the one when you change desktops, it slides the windows across desktops |
| 01:00.25 | jlydick | guess i'll take what i can get then :P |
| 01:00.33 | N9NU | ok...i know what ya men |
| 01:00.47 | jlydick | i like alot of the effects. this is my first experience with kde since 3.2 and it's pretty snazzy. |
| 01:00.48 | N9NU | your referring to the login manager? |
| 01:00.56 | N9NU | when switching? |
| 01:00.57 | Jucato | no |
| 01:01.03 | Jucato | switching virtual desktops |
| 01:01.03 | jlydick | no no, virtual desktops under kde |
| 01:01.06 | jlydick | yeah |
| 01:01.07 | N9NU | oh |
| 01:01.07 | Jucato | Ctrl+F1 to F4 |
| 01:01.09 | N9NU | Virtual |
| 01:01.33 | N9NU | now i got ya |
| 01:01.51 | N9NU | im sure it can be, but that is not a switchable option .... |
| 01:01.59 | N9NU | without modding the software |
| 01:02.06 | N9NU | which would be easy |
| 01:02.10 | jlydick | yeah, that's what it seems. |
| 01:02.19 | Jucato | "easy"... riiiight... |
| 01:02.25 | jlydick | ;) |
| 01:02.31 | N9NU | if ya like to program that is |
| 01:03.04 | jlydick | kde4 was horrid when i first installed kubuntu a couple days ago, i almost dropped it until i found some updated nvidia drivers |
| 01:03.13 | jlydick | i guess there's all sorts of issues with them. |
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| 01:03.37 | N9NU | i have a nvidia quadro nvs 395 and find it works awesome with opengl |
| 01:03.46 | N9NU | i got it for 10 bux at a hamfest |
| 01:03.52 | N9NU | pci e and all |
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| 01:04.43 | jlydick | i just spent $200 on an 8800gts and was very disappointed, hehe |
| 01:05.08 | N9NU | im trying to sell both of my 8800 GTX cards for only $350, but no takers anywhere |
| 01:05.09 | jlydick | the newest drivers from a couple weeks ago are an improvement but they have a ways to go before kde4 feels like os x or vista |
| 01:05.27 | N9NU | i use the Autocad certified linux 64 drives |
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| 01:05.53 | N9NU | you should have no probs at all with any 8000 series card |
| 01:06.11 | jlydick | i can confirm that is not the case, unfortunately :) |
| 01:06.19 | N9NU | beware: compiz (if your using it) is still buggy/laggy with nv |
| 01:07.03 | jlydick | i have actually not tried compiz at all. kwin seems pretty solid besides the performance. |
| 01:07.23 | N9NU | you might also want to try this trick |
| 01:07.56 | N9NU | select Xrender vs OpenGL in the systemsettings under Desktop settings |
| 01:08.03 | N9NU | .....advanced |
| 01:08.21 | N9NU | you can check Direct rendering below that |
| 01:08.28 | N9NU | swap options and see how it does |
| 01:08.48 | jlydick | i saw those yesterday, i'll have to play around more in those options. |
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| 01:09.13 | jlydick | i just got done installing the 177.70 beta drivers and i'm a little euphoric because kde4 is 'usable' for the first time for me, heh |
| 01:09.43 | N9NU | oh the 177.67 ones? |
| 01:09.50 | N9NU | or are there new .70 ones |
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| 01:10.19 | jlydick | they are up to .70 now. i read that you want to be running at least .68, and do the nvidia-settings tweaks for best performance. |
| 01:10.28 | N9NU | yeah |
| 01:10.40 | jlydick | i was running the stock ubuntu driver before that and the new ones are like night and day. |
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| 01:11.39 | N9NU | are the .70 ones on nv's site? |
| 01:11.43 | N9NU | or 3rd party |
| 01:12.10 | jlydick | they are from nvidi'a site. but since they're beta only you probably have to find a link from a 3rd party. i can get you one if you need it. |
| 01:12.43 | N9NU | go here and forever bookmark this site: start64.com |
| 01:13.01 | N9NU | you wont find anything but 64 bit happieness for linux and doze |
| 01:13.40 | N9NU | 177.89 Downloads, Available 13 August 2008 |
| 01:13.43 | jlydick | i'm actually running 32-bit linux at the moment :) |
| 01:13.51 | jlydick | that version is for windows, iirc |
| 01:13.55 | N9NU | ah ok |
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| 01:17.16 | kdepepo | phoronix is the best site to get news about Linux Hardware/Drivers |
| 01:17.29 | jlydick | yeah, that's where i found a lot of help. |
| 01:17.42 | jlydick | and nvnews was useful (for nvidia, obviously). |
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| 01:18.28 | N9NU | 15% faster JPEG decoding on Windows x64 with IJG's JPEG library |
| 01:18.34 | N9NU | right from the horses mouth |
| 01:18.40 | N9NU | oh man |
| 01:18.42 | N9NU | win |
| 01:18.43 | N9NU | my bad |
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| 01:21.36 | ewomer | are kdm themes from 3.5 compatible with kdm 4.1 |
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| 01:22.01 | N9NU | some.... |
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| 01:22.15 | N9NU | you have 4.1? |
| 01:22.29 | ewomer | yes |
| 01:22.40 | ewomer | but the theme is from 2006 |
| 01:22.52 | ewomer | so it might be older then 3.5 |
| 01:23.06 | N9NU | is it able to be compiled? |
| 01:23.08 | ewomer | the name of it is puldsar |
| 01:23.11 | N9NU | or is it pre-built |
| 01:23.35 | zce | does anyone knows an easy way (to use, not necessarily to configure) to share calendar information, for example, korganizer calendars? maybe even kontact's contacts.. i read that groupware servers can do it, any recommendation? |
| 01:23.43 | ewomer | um its a couple of xml files and image files |
| 01:24.35 | N9NU | you might have a prob with the xml files |
| 01:24.45 | N9NU | can you link it to me? |
| 01:24.58 | ewomer | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Pulsar+KDM+Theme?content=35973 |
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| 01:25.43 | N9NU | hng on |
| 01:25.48 | ewomer | it says install via kcm but i guess kcm has been intergrated into systemsettings |
| 01:26.14 | N9NU | you can run "Kcontrol" as well in kde 4.1 |
| 01:26.30 | N9NU | but it is for KDE 3.5.x |
| 01:26.35 | N9NU | 10 |
| 01:27.08 | N9NU | i wil let ya know in 1 minute |
| 01:28.45 | N9NU | ok |
| 01:28.51 | N9NU | it can me with a bit of modding |
| 01:28.53 | N9NU | be |
| 01:28.57 | ewomer | bash: kcontrol: command not found |
| 01:29.24 | Jucato | systemsettings in KDE 4 |
| 01:29.48 | ewomer | yah i have to run it as sudo systemsettings |
| 01:29.49 | N9NU | yeah..some might not have KDE 3.5.10 installed as well as 4.1 |
| 01:30.16 | ewomer | i removed kde 4.0 aka 3.5.10 |
| 01:30.46 | N9NU | im waiting for a confirmation email so i can upload Kcontrol for 4.1.1 to kde-apps.org |
| 01:31.05 | ewomer | what exactilly is kcontrol |
| 01:31.10 | N9NU | i re-configured it so you can use Kcontrol rather than Systemsettings while in 4.1 |
| 01:31.19 | ewomer | ok kool |
| 01:31.24 | N9NU | thast the KDE 3.x systemsettings panel |
| 01:31.33 | N9NU | it just looks nicer i think |
| 01:31.35 | octox2 | N9NU: I downloaded a file to my desktop, and it didnt show up, but it is in my desktop folder. therre is something wrong with plasma |
| 01:31.48 | ewomer | im in gentoo using the kdesvn-overlay |
| 01:32.01 | N9NU | well...plasma is a state of matter between liquid and gas |
| 01:32.08 | N9NU | so id expect it to be long gone |
| 01:32.10 | N9NU | ;) |
| 01:32.12 | octox2 | does anyone know how to get plasma to show the contents of the desktop folder, my plasma rashed and now i cant get it to show |
| 01:32.23 | ewomer | lol |
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| 01:32.51 | ewomer | the only way i know is with the folder widget but its slow |
| 01:33.08 | N9NU | by manually placing that KDM theme in the right place, it can be used |
| 01:33.39 | N9NU | do you have the widget: |
| 01:33.44 | ewomer | i have it placed |
| 01:33.52 | N9NU | Quick access |
| 01:34.00 | ewomer | Quickasses? |
| 01:34.08 | ewomer | access |
| 01:34.17 | ewomer | u talkin to me |
| 01:34.19 | N9NU | yeah...add the widget |
| 01:34.21 | N9NU | yeah |
| 01:34.45 | ewomer | where do i get Quick access |
| 01:34.57 | N9NU | i give it to ya |
| 01:35.21 | ewomer | ? |
| 01:35.25 | N9NU | hang on |
| 01:35.27 | N9NU | i will get it |
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| 01:35.32 | N9NU | or tell ya where |
| 01:35.55 | ewomer | where is better i have xchat |
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| 01:38.20 | N9NU | foudn it |
| 01:38.35 | N9NU | 32 or 64 bit |
| 01:38.49 | ewomer | 64bit |
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| 01:40.47 | ewomer | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/QuickAccess?content=84128 |
| 01:40.47 | N9NU | plasma-applet-quickaccess-0.7.1-1mdv2009.0.x86_64.rpm |
| 01:40.56 | N9NU | oops...what distro you using |
| 01:41.03 | ewomer | gentoo |
| 01:41.09 | N9NU | yeah you can get it from there too |
| 01:41.10 | ewomer | i can do the source |
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| 01:45.07 | N9NU | anyone need the KDE 4.11 syle "Skulpture" |
| 01:45.12 | N9NU | someone was asking for that the other day |
| 01:45.55 | luke-jr | there is no 4.11 afaik |
| 01:46.14 | gr1m-lap | N9NU: is this style not widely available? |
| 01:46.22 | N9NU | dunno? |
| 01:46.34 | N9NU | someone was looking, so i just offered |
| 01:46.38 | N9NU | it was for kde 3.5 |
| 01:46.46 | N9NU | via the name "sculpture" |
| 01:47.00 | N9NU | 4.1.1 |
| 01:47.03 | N9NU | typo |
| 01:47.10 | gr1m-lap | maybe you should upload it to kde-look if there is no other public download site? |
| 01:47.24 | N9NU | lemme go there |
| 01:47.24 | ewomer | lol N9NU hsa his own branch |
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| 01:47.58 | gr1m-lap | I don't know what this style looks like, but if there's a kde4 port and no public download site uploading it to kde-look.org would be nice |
| 01:47.59 | N9NU | its there i see |
| 01:48.09 | N9NU | 0.1.3 |
| 01:48.17 | N9NU | but i will link to the 64 bit rpm |
| 01:48.30 | gr1m-lap | nice :) |
| 01:48.41 | N9NU | well...he aleady did it for e |
| 01:48.42 | N9NU | me |
| 01:48.53 | N9NU | Mandriva download(Mandriva 2009 development branch) |
| 01:48.55 | N9NU | how nice |
| 01:49.09 | N9NU | all distros are there |
| 01:49.12 | gr1m-lap | you will now be a contributor in your own small way if you are not already :) |
| 01:49.16 | N9NU | eh..major |
| 01:49.36 | N9NU | if i get my email from kde-apps.org, i can upload the Kcontrol for 4.1 |
| 01:49.43 | N9NU | i have not gotten it yet |
| 01:49.57 | N9NU | its been 4 years since I have logged in and my info is no longer there |
| 01:50.04 | Jucato | N9NU: I hope you didn't name executable "Kcontrol" too |
| 01:50.24 | N9NU | no |
| 01:50.25 | N9NU | lol |
| 01:50.33 | N9NU | thats their own |
| 01:50.56 | N9NU | how bout "kay-kontrol" |
| 01:51.12 | ewomer | i wish i could gent kdesu kdesudo working right with dolphin |
| 01:51.56 | N9NU | you cant access dolphin as root? |
| 01:52.03 | Jucato | `kde4-config --path libexec`/kdesu dolphin |
| 01:53.20 | ewomer | N9NU, the quickaccess widget is a little dot |
| 01:53.37 | N9NU | drag it down |
| 01:53.55 | N9NU | and widen it via the window (which you cant see at the moment) |
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| 01:54.07 | N9NU | drag via the side bar above the X |
| 01:54.15 | ewomer | its kool |
| 01:54.16 | kdepepo | N9NU, only kubuntu packages are missing, I ve yet to find someone who can create ubuntu debs |
| 01:54.57 | jomurob | ¿alguien habla español? |
| 01:55.04 | N9NU | that is one distro i never tried |
| 01:55.11 | N9NU | se |
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| 01:56.39 | N9NU | oops...so much for running extremetuxracer |
| 01:57.12 | ewomer | why |
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| 01:57.28 | N9NU | it just bumped me out of kwin |
| 01:57.39 | N9NU | it didnt like my 1920 x 1280 |
| 01:57.52 | Jucato | kdepepo: wasn't nixternal interested in skulpture? can't you poke him to do that for ya? :) |
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| 01:59.32 | kdepepo | Jucato, maybe :) didnt know he runs kubuntu, thanks |
| 01:59.47 | Jucato | O.o |
| 02:00.02 | Jucato | you didn't know? *gasp* |
| 02:01.05 | kdepepo | erm, should I? is he jonathan riddel? ;) |
| 02:02.32 | Jucato | he might as well be the next Riddell :) |
| 02:02.34 | kenami | jomurob: este canal es solo en español |
| 02:02.53 | kenami | posiblemente en #kde-es |
| 02:03.45 | kenami | s/español/ingles/g |
| 02:04.07 | Jucato | English only in here |
| 02:04.14 | kenami | yes! |
| 02:05.22 | kenami | =) |
| 02:10.48 | kenami | bye ! |
| 02:10.54 | kenami | have a nice day! |
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| 02:31.20 | ewomer | fuzzy clock |
| 02:31.24 | ewomer | half past ten |
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| 02:38.56 | ewomer | what is karamba |
| 02:39.43 | Jucato | the "predecessor" of superkaramba, desktop applets |
| 02:41.02 | ewomer | is this one karamba or super karamba http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Laptop-Wifi-Monitor?content=66854 |
| 02:41.55 | Jucato | doesn't really matter. karamba/superkaramba are practically the same |
| 02:42.50 | ewomer | ok good i like the wifi par of that plasmoid |
| 02:43.00 | luke-jr | and obsolete iirc |
| 02:43.12 | ewomer | ? |
| 02:43.32 | ewomer | if i loose my gui (not often) i run iirc |
| 02:44.20 | Jucato | luke-jr: which is obsolete? |
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| 02:45.35 | ewomer | crap its precompiled |
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| 02:46.36 | luke-jr | Jucato: both? |
| 02:46.42 | ewomer | so i have to run superkaramba |
| 02:46.48 | luke-jr | didn't plasma replace it? |
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| 02:47.15 | Jucato | luke-jr: no |
| 02:47.25 | ewomer | how can it be a plasmoid if its a superkaramba widget |
| 02:47.34 | Jucato | superkaramba is ported to KDE 4 and plasma can load superkaramba applets |
| 02:47.50 | ewomer | how |
| 02:47.53 | Jucato | (or at least that's planned) |
| 02:48.01 | luke-jr | scratches his head |
| 02:48.02 | ewomer | but no proved |
| 02:48.15 | luke-jr | is plasma can load superkaramba applets, what need is there for superkaramba? |
| 02:48.16 | Jucato | proved |
| 02:48.35 | Jucato | superkaramba has a different style of doing widgets. |
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| 02:48.55 | Jucato | Add Widgets -> Install new widgets -> Install from File -> SuperKaramba |
| 02:49.05 | Jucato | not sure if it's working already, but it's there |
| 02:49.18 | ewomer | ok |
| 02:49.31 | Jucato | luke-jr: leave it to the plasma and superkaramba people to worry about that |
| 02:49.41 | Jucato | the fact remains that they're both there |
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| 02:52.28 | ewomer | cant find them after install |
| 02:52.52 | Jucato | <Jucato> not sure if it's working already, but it's there <--- |
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| 03:06.09 | ewomer | "could not find dcop" |
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| 05:10.21 | dudeman | oh |
| 05:10.22 | dudeman | my |
| 05:10.23 | dudeman | freaking |
| 05:10.24 | dudeman | god. |
| 05:10.33 | dudeman | could you guys have been anymore cruel? |
| 05:10.47 | dudeman | damn, freakin killin' me man. |
| 05:10.48 | dudeman | damn |
| 05:11.15 | dudeman | KDE_Glass_Break.ogg <-- nastiest, ugliest fscking sound I've ever heard |
| 05:11.27 | dudeman | freaking literally makes me jump everytie on a new kde install |
| 05:11.36 | dudeman | good god holy googly moogly guys! |
| 05:12.00 | Sput | hands some tranquilizers to dudeman |
| 05:12.05 | dudeman | geez that sound is horrible I have nightmares about it! |
| 05:12.07 | dudeman | ffs. |
| 05:12.36 | dudeman | nah its alright |
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| 05:46.31 | Rellin | Kopete-KDE4 crashes when I type to someone else on AIM. How do I fix this problem or see the error? |
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| 05:49.14 | Rellin | I've tried launching kopete in the konsole, but it just says "crashing" and locks up. It might have to do with the dictionary, though, as it only seems to happen when certain words are incompletely typed. |
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| 06:14.35 | Rellin | Kopete-KDE4 crashes when I type to someone else on AIM. How do I fix this problem or see the error? |
| 06:14.38 | Rellin | I've tried launching kopete in the konsole, but it just says "crashing" and locks up. It might have to do with the dictionary, though, as it only seems to happen when certain words are incompletely typed. |
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| 06:17.05 | Bille | Rellin: do you have the wavy text underline on misspelled words? |
| 06:18.07 | Bille | Rellin: the right thing to do is to paste a backtrace, so i can diagnose it. but i can tell you now that zackr's new wavy underlining exposed a Qt bug, i'm not sure if it has been fixed yet, that causes a crash on correcting misspelled words. |
| 06:19.48 | Rellin | bille: yes. I do |
| 06:20.06 | Rellin | bille: how do I post a backtrace? |
| 06:20.25 | Rellin | This is what my konsole looked like when it crashed. |
| 06:20.26 | Bille | Rellin: expand the kde crash dialog |
| 06:20.30 | Rellin | Enchant dict for "en_US" 0x8a1a618 |
| 06:20.30 | Rellin | KCrash: Application 'kopete' crashing... |
| 06:20.40 | Rellin | There was no dialogue, it just disappeared completely. |
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| 06:21.44 | Bille | Rellin: i'm pretty sure you have that bug. you can right click on the text entry field to disable spell checking. to get a backtrace at the console, do "gdb --args kopete --nofork" then "run" when it's loaded all the libs then "bt" when kopete crashes |
| 06:23.26 | Rellin | Bille: Ok, done. Thanks for the help. Here it is. |
| 06:23.30 | Rellin | #0 0xb67f5e0b in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 |
| 06:23.31 | Rellin | #1 0xb67d4108 in QPainterPath::arcTo () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 |
| 06:23.31 | Rellin | #2 0x4004cccc in ?? () |
| 06:23.37 | Jucato | don't paste in here |
| 06:24.14 | Bille | Rellin: that's the one. |
| 06:24.26 | Rellin | Bille: Ok, so is there a fix? |
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| 06:25.43 | Bille | Rellin: not yet |
| 06:26.11 | Ferrenrock | hey guys, how do I change the icon image for the application launcher widget? |
| 06:26.17 | Ferrenrock | for some reason it's an arrow |
| 06:26.25 | Ferrenrock | like the back button on konqueror |
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| 06:27.46 | Ferrenrock | any ideas? |
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| 06:37.57 | willgreg | Hello all, Iḿ a newbie to Ubuntu and KDE. I think I want to keep both KDE and Gnome... But can anyone point me to a good guide as to how to keep both of them healthy? |
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| 06:39.52 | Jucato | willgreg: you might want to ask in #kubuntu or #ubuntu about that |
| 06:40.21 | willgreg | Oh , thanks jucato, |
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| 06:51.19 | Dumble | hello world ! |
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| 07:01.29 | Lanken | what is the recommended tool for renaming mp3s? |
| 07:01.36 | Lanken | tag-based renaming, I mean |
| 07:02.10 | Jucato | amarok or juk |
| 07:02.27 | Lanken | Jucato: ah, I looked in amarok, must have missed it. |
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| 07:03.54 | Jucato | Lanken: when you right-click on an item, Edit track information or something like that, you are show an editor with a Tags tab |
| 07:04.35 | Lanken | Jucato: oh, I must have been a bit un-clear. I meant mass-file-renaming. changing the name the filesystem sees, not changing the tags. |
| 07:04.48 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.25 | Lanken | Jucato: right. renaming the files based on the content of the tags. it's ambiguous I guess. |
| 07:05.45 | Qu4Z | You mean changing filenames based on id3 tags? |
| 07:05.57 | Qu4Z | Try amarok? |
| 07:06.08 | Qu4Z | Oh, you're in amarok ^^; |
| 07:06.10 | Lanken | Qu4Z: where in amarok is this functionality? |
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| 07:06.20 | Qu4Z | Give me a sec. I'll find it ^^; |
| 07:06.21 | Lanken | Qu4Z: yeah, I would have expected to find it under "tools" |
| 07:06.33 | Qu4Z | That would be the sensible place :P |
| 07:07.05 | Lanken | (I just got a cheap, crappy mp3-player that displays filenames.) |
| 07:07.05 | Qu4Z | It's under Right click->Manage Files->Organise Files... or something |
| 07:07.32 | Qu4Z | I seem to have frozen up the entirety of amarok by ctrl+a,right-click, so I can't tell you for sure :/ |
| 07:07.47 | Qu4Z | Ah, it's back. I should really switch to a real db at some point. |
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| 07:09.14 | Lanken | you got it right. Thanks for the help! |
| 07:09.16 | Qu4Z | Yeah, right click, manage files, organise files. Then go Details >> to be able to customise the file naming scheme. |
| 07:09.34 | Qu4Z | Welcome ^^ It's what I'm here for :P |
| 07:10.12 | Qu4Z | And Jucato, sorry for stealing your support case >_< |
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| 07:10.27 | Jucato | no problem. I didn't know the answer anyway |
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| 07:10.44 | Jucato | barely organizes his music... just plays them over and over and over and over... |
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| 07:11.53 | Qu4Z | I've never really needed to organise them in the file system. I just have a /mnt/data/music folder where I dump everything. Then I work from Amarok (except in the few cases where it has no useful tags initially, so I open it manually, then tag'n'forget) |
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| 08:31.14 | bushwakko | hey, how do I turn of right-click menu animations i kde4, I remeber turning it on, but I cant find it again. it had options like fade, animate and so on |
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| 08:41.36 | Smokey1 | Ah, found it: ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc |
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| 08:50.18 | cael | I've got a problem: my konqueror processes don't don't quit when I close konqueror. This is quite annoying on a laptop where I hibernate a lot ... yesterday I had 30 dead konqueror processes running. Any idea how to solve this? |
| 08:51.54 | jazka | killall konqueror :) |
| 08:52.06 | bushwakko | hey, there is a right click menu animation in kde4 that I need to turn off |
| 08:52.19 | bushwakko | the right click menu "scrolls" out, and its butt ugly |
| 08:52.31 | blauzahl-laptop_ | cael: known bug. |
| 08:53.02 | cael | blauzahl-laptop_: how do I solve this? It's quite a major bug ... there should be a bugfix or even a backport of a bugfix |
| 08:53.45 | cael | yesterday konqueror allocated about 1gb ram :-( |
| 08:53.53 | blauzahl-laptop_ | cael: "konqueror processes never teminate" is the name of the bug report in bz, i believe. i said it was known, not that it was fixed yet. ;) |
| 08:55.03 | blauzahl-laptop_ | well, the reports keep coming in. |
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| 08:55.44 | blauzahl-laptop_ | i haven't actually been paying attention lately, but if it isn't fixed in trunk yet, i suspect it is near the top of the todo list. |
| 08:56.36 | cael | Ah I see that it's been fixed in trunk ... I'll try to backport it to my 4.1.1 copy here |
| 08:56.47 | bushwakko | argh, I remember turning on that "animate right click menu" thing earlier |
| 08:56.51 | bushwakko | but I cannot for the life of me find it |
| 08:57.02 | bushwakko | it might have disappeared from 4.0 to 4.1, but still be on |
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| 09:12.58 | QuAZ | Any way I can get konqueror to open index.html.gz transparently? |
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| 09:51.37 | ebdomino | rou |
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| 09:52.36 | mrxmike | i found a fat bug in Dolphin |
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| 09:52.42 | mrxmike | who'd is should complain to? ;) |
| 09:53.03 | Jucato | http://bugs.kde.org |
| 09:53.17 | Jucato | (please search first if it has been filed already though) |
| 09:53.56 | mrxmike | i wasnt sure if its part of KDE |
| 09:54.10 | Jucato | well, what version of Dolphin? |
| 09:54.27 | Jucato | the KDE 3 version of Dolphin is not officially part of KDE and is practically dead |
| 09:54.47 | mrxmike | im talking 4.1.1 |
| 09:54.48 | mrxmike | =) |
| 09:55.24 | mrxmike | if you click fast on the 'details' 'columns' view buttons |
| 09:55.26 | Jucato | yep, definitely part of KDE. it's the official and default file manager of KDE 4 |
| 09:55.42 | mrxmike | and then on preview (and then maybe on 'details' 'colums' again) |
| 09:55.46 | mrxmike | dolphin segfaults |
| 09:56.07 | mrxmike | i had to do some stuff quickly.. then noticed it |
| 09:56.19 | mrxmike | when ur in a hurry, you click a bit faster sometimes huh ;) |
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| 09:57.40 | mrxmike | Jucato: can you replicate it? |
| 09:57.56 | Jucato | nope |
| 09:58.05 | mrxmike | tried it? |
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| 10:12.03 | rubikcube | congrats to KDE for this :) http://blogs.uslhc.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/firstbeaminatlas.png |
| 10:12.27 | mrxmike | what is that? |
| 10:12.45 | mrxmike | that 27km long tunnel? |
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| 10:13.30 | rubikcube | yes, seems they code their ui with kde at the LHC |
| 10:13.44 | annma | wow, really? |
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| 10:14.48 | mrxmike | at least its not windows........ |
| 10:15.09 | mrxmike | imagine .. instead of a segfault a BlackHoleOfDeath |
| 10:15.15 | mrxmike | ;+ |
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| 10:18.05 | rubikcube | get a new kcrashmanager image :) |
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| 10:24.50 | lilltiger | Atlast is just one of the stations on the LHC |
| 10:25.35 | lilltiger | bu it's nice that a project with "unlimited" founds is using free software :) |
| 10:26.23 | tuxick | lilltiger: that's probably why their crappy website runs windows |
| 10:27.12 | lilltiger | mm |
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| 10:27.52 | QuAZ | lilltiger: You may be misunderstanding the "free" in "free software" |
| 10:27.58 | QuAZ | Free as in freedom, not beer ;) |
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| 10:28.29 | QuAZ | As such, their funds have little bearing on this case, your honor. |
| 10:28.38 | mrxmike | could anyone please try to replicate a bug for me in dolphin? |
| 10:28.50 | mrxmike | ..if you click fast on the 'details' 'columns' view buttons |
| 10:29.00 | mrxmike | and then on preview (and then maybe on 'details' 'colums' again) |
| 10:29.03 | QuAZ | No KDE4, sorry :/ |
| 10:29.11 | mrxmike | (while you're in a directory with jpg or png images) |
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| 10:29.36 | mrxmike | dolphin should segfaults |
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| 10:29.52 | QuAZ | Which is to say, it shouldn't, but does on your system :P |
| 10:30.06 | mrxmike | of course |
| 10:31.10 | mrxmike | anyone else? |
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| 10:41.49 | Che-Anarc | Anyone here using ati-drivers or on an ati graphics card?... I'm having problems with video playback its not 100% smooth. |
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| 10:58.01 | _Menda_ | today it's the end of the world! lhc |
| 10:58.05 | _Menda_ | lol |
| 10:58.37 | Half-Left | KDE is still here |
| 10:58.37 | Che-Anarc | thinks its just the begining of the end. |
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| 11:00.18 | testi | Unlike MSN Messenger, kopete doesn't display emoticons, that are not space separated, though I chat over the MSN network, where it should adapt the setting. How can I correct this? |
| 11:01.01 | testi | ah |
| 11:01.02 | testi | I found it |
| 11:01.26 | Che-Anarc | testi: does it do video/audio and such? |
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| 11:02.12 | testi | video audio emoticons? no, normal ones. |
| 11:02.29 | Che-Anarc | testi: no I mean video / audio chat. |
| 11:02.35 | Half-Left | And custom ones, i.e animated |
| 11:02.37 | Che-Anarc | testi: like amsn |
| 11:04.18 | testi | I once tried video chat with kopete, but it didn't work. I have to switch to amsn in that case. |
| 11:05.50 | testi | But the UI of amsn has delayed response times sometimes, it's just slow |
| 11:05.58 | Che-Anarc | testi: yeah its a bit of a headache setting it up... I got voice to work but couldnt really initiate anything with anyone for voice (msn clients that is).... I think video is a little easier. |
| 11:07.30 | testi | I don't know what I need to set up - I click on send camera and it just doesn't do anything, maybe kopete is too stupid for NAT traversal |
| 11:08.21 | Che-Anarc | Well in my instance I'm in DMZ so most of that stuff shouldnt matter... but with amsn it uses rock for some or something. |
| 11:08.34 | Che-Anarc | for sound* |
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| 11:23.05 | Che-Anarc | Any1 want to play Atlantik :-p |
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| 11:26.16 | Che-Anarc | Does anyone know how I can do extended unicode type characters? like in windows alt+numeric value. |
| 11:27.23 | Theory | Che-Anarc: try <press right alt> a ' <release right alt> |
| 11:27.28 | Theory | and see what it gives you |
| 11:27.47 | Theory | (this may or may not work, depending on how your X is set up) |
| 11:28.07 | drantin | requires something called the Compose key set up, right? |
| 11:28.41 | thiago | Che-Anarc: Alt+numeric value is not supported in KDE |
| 11:28.44 | thiago | use another option: |
| 11:28.48 | thiago | 1) kcharselect |
| 11:28.56 | thiago | 2) different keyboard layout (with deadkeys) |
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| 11:29.05 | drantin | http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips and Tricks/compose.htm |
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| 11:29.13 | thiago | 2) ISO-9995-3 alternate keyboard layout (the AltGr key) |
| 11:29.16 | thiago | that was 3 |
| 11:29.20 | thiago | 4) the Compose key |
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| 11:31.58 | Che-Anarc | Thanks |
| 11:32.04 | Half-Left | Ugh, I dont know why Qt-recordmydesktop is so slow with the nv driver |
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| 11:35.18 | _sagitarius_ | is back (gone 00:00:08) |
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| 11:42.11 | Chrysalis | whats the thing called that saves the state on logout (runnnig programs etc) |
| 11:43.00 | MinceR | session manager |
| 11:43.39 | Chrysalis | thanks, is there a way to do save it without restarting |
| 11:44.29 | Jucato | Chrysalis: KDE 4? "qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer saveCurrentSession" |
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| 11:45.28 | Chrysalis | its not working right and starting like 3 instances of akregator... hoping to atleast fix that with this |
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| 11:51.07 | MinceR | Chrysalis: dunno, perhaps the K menu has some items to do so; perhaps they need to be enabled in the panel config |
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| 11:56.20 | Chrysalis | deleting ksmserverrc fixed it i think, guess it was corrupt or something |
| 11:58.32 | Jucato | sessions are saved in ~/.kde/share/config/sessions/ (or ~/.kde4) |
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| 12:18.19 | Chrysalis | well, its still not saving so i turened it off and used the command you have me to save what i want |
| 12:18.30 | Chrysalis | have/gave |
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| 12:19.46 | Chrysalis | thanks |
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| 12:30.15 | QuAZ | Just out of curiousity, does Konqueror default to auto-completing the urls you've been to the least, because it assumes you remember the rest, or what? :/ |
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| 12:31.54 | Half-Left | it doesn't auto complete in 4.1, just shows whats in your history |
| 12:32.24 | QuAZ | Well, whatever. The drop down menu. I swear it chooses sites I went to once 6 months ago over regular things >_< |
| 12:32.25 | Chrysalis | just shows them alphabetically i think |
| 12:32.31 | QuAZ | Ah, okay. |
| 12:32.52 | QuAZ | I guess there's more that I haven't been to recently/visit lots, so it's a higher likelyhood of choosing one of those. |
| 12:32.57 | QuAZ | Possibly confirmation bias, also. |
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| 12:33.01 | QuAZ | It seems to find /. just fine... |
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| 12:36.06 | Chrysalis | actually, its not alphabetical, seems like its just pulls them by the order they were added i guess ;/ |
| 12:36.49 | QuAZ | ... I see. |
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| 14:36.20 | |Kiichan|Windam| | im having this oddball problem with the desktop picker (kpager?) thats in the taskbar. http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh88/sennyotai/computer/kii-desktop.png |
| 14:36.26 | rpag | where can i find the "keep windows on top" option? |
| 14:36.36 | |Kiichan|Windam| | i cant figure out how to bring them back down to normal size../ |
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| 14:45.31 | gkiagia | rpag: right click on the window title -> advanced -> keep above others |
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| 14:48.07 | rpag | thanks gkiagia :D |
| 14:48.37 | veritas_ | does anyone know how much compile speed differs if i use a 64-bit OS as opposed to a 32-bit OS? |
| 14:49.12 | bonsaikitten | negligible |
| 14:49.12 | pinotree | veritas_: ##linux please |
| 14:49.21 | mereandor | hi there! I have a problem with kde-4.1.1 (gentoo inofficial): When accessing a certain webpage the konqueror window just closes itself (no crash) and I don't see why it should. When I activate javascript-errors it displays a lot messages like "stack overflow". What can I do to debug this? |
| 14:50.48 | gkiagia | mereandor: it probably crashes but silently, because the stack is full. run from a terminal to verify that... |
| 14:52.48 | mereandor | gkiagia: I'll test that out... |
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| 14:54.18 | mereandor | you were right - now it writes "Segmentation fault" to the terminal |
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| 14:55.48 | mereandor | gkiagia: ping? |
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| 14:55.52 | gkiagia | mereandor: correct, it's probably an infinite loop that causes the stack to overflow. I have seen this bug too... |
| 14:56.55 | gkiagia | mereandor: let me guess.. the site is at derstandart.de ? |
| 14:57.07 | mereandor | derstandard.at right |
| 14:57.31 | sandsmark | derstandard is the standard for finding crash bugs in konqueror =p |
| 14:57.34 | mereandor | seems to be some broken ad... |
| 14:57.54 | mereandor | ^^ |
| 14:58.20 | gkiagia | yeah, this site is THE crashy site |
| 14:58.42 | mereandor | nice to know ;) |
| 14:58.48 | hyper_ch | what's the "opposite" of a primary partition? Is it logical or extended? I keep confusing those two |
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| 14:59.06 | sandsmark | extended? |
| 14:59.12 | mereandor | logical |
| 14:59.16 | sandsmark | fail |
| 14:59.17 | hyper_ch | sandsmark: you can only have 4 primaries |
| 14:59.37 | hyper_ch | so you can circumvent that by creating a logical one instead and inside it multiple extended? |
| 14:59.41 | hyper_ch | or is it vice-versa? |
| 14:59.50 | sandsmark | bah, dos style partition tables suck =) |
| 14:59.57 | mereandor | ++ |
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| 15:00.47 | gkiagia | hyper_ch: vice versa, an extended is a primary partition that holds logicals |
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| 15:01.06 | GNU\colossus | correct. |
| 15:01.07 | hyper_ch | gkiagia: thx |
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| 15:07.54 | feindbild | hello :) |
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| 15:09.53 | feindbild | I've installed kde-4.1, removed it and reinstalled kde-3.5. now when I insert an usb-drive it doesn't appear under media:/ anymore. I also have the same problem on my laptop after the same procedure :( any ideas how to fix this? |
| 15:10.15 | annma | did you ask your distro? |
| 15:10.36 | annma | the 2 versions of KDE are separated and can run side by side feindbild |
| 15:11.25 | feindbild | annma: not a distri problem, and I didn't run them side-by-side, they used the same KDEHOME |
| 15:11.30 | feindbild | :/ |
| 15:12.00 | feindbild | annma: what I meant to say is: i compiled it myself, so no distri problem |
| 15:12.01 | annma | what distro then??? |
| 15:12.05 | annma | ouch |
| 15:12.16 | annma | I also build KDE but not on the same place |
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| 15:12.57 | dunk_k7 | Hi.. |
| 15:13.50 | feindbild | annma: any idea what config files could be affecting this? obviously not the global hal/dbus configs, they were left untouched ... |
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| 15:13.50 | dunk_k7 | somebody have kde4 with EM64T |
| 15:13.51 | annma | not sure how you built your kde then |
| 15:13.59 | annma | feindbild: maybe you built wrong |
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| 15:16.36 | feindbild | annma: no ... it's no build problem ... like I said, I uninstalled kde4 again, and reinstalled the kde3 distri packages ... so it can only be a config in ~/.kde that has been altered by kde4 and now causes theese problems with kde3 ... |
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| 15:18.42 | feindbild | a pal is having the same problem by the way, on a different distri with distri packages ... |
| 15:19.29 | annma | really? |
| 15:19.33 | annma | what distros? |
| 15:19.36 | feindbild | yes ... |
| 15:19.53 | feindbild | I have slackware, he's got Kubuntu ... |
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| 15:23.36 | annma | on KUbuntu surely you can have both kde3 and 4 side by side |
| 15:23.53 | annma | no need to uninstall one in order to get the other |
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| 15:24.34 | feindbild | annma: somehow he still had a shared ~/.kde, no idea ... |
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| 15:24.45 | annma | really weird |
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| 15:25.28 | annma | did you try a brand new user then? |
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| 15:28.58 | KR-data | anyone who knows either a way to make kopete show different chats in tabs or a good client that does, which I can use to Google Talk? |
| 15:31.34 | Jucato | KR-data: Settings -> Configure Kopete -> Behavior -> Chat tab -> Chat Window Grouping Policy? |
| 15:32.41 | KR-data | Jucato, thanks. Why doesn't it do that by default? |
| 15:33.13 | Jucato | don't know. different people have different preferences, so they probably chose a default that is.. um.. default :) |
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| 15:34.20 | KR-data | but the trend is towards tabs (and with good reason if you ask me), using a window per task is impractical and... well old fashioned |
| 15:35.20 | annma | feindbild: does it work with a new user? |
| 15:37.13 | feindbild | annma: I'll try right now ... had to wait for avnadmin load to complete ... |
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| 16:00.58 | feindbild | re |
| 16:01.06 | feindbild | annma: it works with a new user ... |
| 16:02.12 | feindbild | ah well ... I'll just mv my ~/.kde and start from scratch ... my own fault, there was a big red blinking warning not to use the same ~/.de :( |
| 16:02.25 | feindbild | * ~/.kde |
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| 16:02.36 | feindbild | bye :) |
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| 16:04.45 | boldii | hi |
| 16:05.06 | boldii | can anybody tell me if I can print with KDE4 somehow only the odd and then the even numbers of pages? |
| 16:05.06 | Russel-Athletic | i have a little problem: kded seems to eat up much cpu, what could be the problem? |
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| 16:10.38 | chiiph | does kde 4.1.1 have a better kopete version? |
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| 16:12.43 | DaSkreech | Hallo |
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| 16:12.51 | Gregori | hiya |
| 16:12.53 | ForgeAus | is there any gui ping/dns/traceroute/finger/etc client for KDE? |
| 16:13.05 | DaSkreech | does anyone know any tools to visually map netowrks? |
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| 16:13.17 | ForgeAus | lol DaSkreech :) |
| 16:13.56 | DaSkreech | ForgeAus: Fine laugh at my teerebull type |
| 16:13.59 | DaSkreech | networks :) |
| 16:14.09 | Gregori | ok... im going.... to... |
| 16:14.15 | ForgeAus | I don't know of a port scanner for KDE but what I can say is what essentially one does is discover clients by scanning ports in an IP range... |
| 16:14.20 | Gregori | install firefox-qt! |
| 16:14.24 | Gregori | beware.. |
| 16:14.28 | mrsaccess | fe3d I believe can visually map networks |
| 16:14.29 | DaSkreech | http://www.kaboodle.org/ check this out ForgeAus |
| 16:14.30 | ForgeAus | (I'm not laughing AT you DaSkreech... just at the timing of us both asking together |
| 16:14.47 | DaSkreech | mrsaccess: Thanks I'll look at it |
| 16:15.20 | ForgeAus | ok nice! |
| 16:15.24 | DaSkreech | Ahhh |
| 16:15.25 | mrsaccess | and knetscan is a frontend to nmap, ping, whois, traceroute |
| 16:15.26 | DaSkreech | 3d |
| 16:15.55 | mrsaccess | konqueror I believe includes a finger kio-slave |
| 16:15.55 | DaSkreech | knmap is a port scanner |
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| 16:16.23 | mrsaccess | just use finger: in the address bar |
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| 16:17.16 | ForgeAus | E: Couldn't find package knetscan |
| 16:17.23 | DaSkreech | Damn you konqueror and your endless usefullness |
| 16:17.36 | DaSkreech | ForgeAus: I know same for fe3d |
| 16:17.54 | DaSkreech | Though not sure I want to suck up my Video card unless I want to impress clients |
| 16:18.06 | ForgeAus | hehe Konqueror rocks! |
| 16:18.10 | ForgeAus | Konquerer and/or Krusader are my two favourite KDE apps! |
| 16:18.27 | mrsaccess | also there is a network analyzer for KDE, like wireshark but I don't remember it's name |
| 16:18.36 | ForgeAus | http://projects.icapsid.net/fe3d/ ??? |
| 16:18.55 | ForgeAus | so where can I get knetscan from? |
| 16:19.10 | DaSkreech | ForgeAus: http://projects.icapsid.net/fe3d/raw-attachment/wiki/ScreenShots/fe3d-0.11-01.png |
| 16:19.14 | DaSkreech | It is impressive though :) |
| 16:19.37 | DaSkreech | Wireshark!! I wonder if that does any visually graphing |
| 16:19.48 | mrsaccess | http://sourceforge.net/projects/knetscan |
| 16:20.03 | ForgeAus | hmm opera doesn't do .png? odd |
| 16:20.10 | DaSkreech | Boooo |
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| 16:21.48 | Kaffien | does anyone know of a way to import one notes into basket? |
| 16:22.13 | DaSkreech | Kaffien: #basket-devel |
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| 16:51.13 | ForgeAus | knetscan is old, like 2002 |
| 16:51.31 | ForgeAus | at least according to sourceforge |
| 16:51.49 | DaSkreech | should make a wiki page of stuff missing in Linux in general and KDE4 specifically |
| 16:51.58 | DaSkreech | puts kiosk near the top |
| 16:52.33 | annma | kiskTOOL |
| 16:52.39 | ForgeAus | id kiosk touchscreen support? |
| 16:52.39 | annma | kioskTOOL |
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| 16:52.50 | DaSkreech | annma: It's ported? |
| 16:52.52 | annma | kisok itself is there DaSkreech |
| 16:53.10 | DaSkreech | I wasn't aware anyone stood up for the job |
| 16:53.34 | annma | kiosktool isn't ported but kiosk is there |
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| 16:53.43 | DaSkreech | hmm |
| 16:53.48 | DaSkreech | kiosktool is the frontend? |
| 16:54.09 | ForgeAus | hehe TweaKDE? |
| 16:54.12 | annma | yes |
| 16:54.31 | DaSkreech | ForgeAus: Yes. It's very very good |
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| 16:54.40 | DaSkreech | My manners! |
| 16:54.44 | DaSkreech | hugs annma |
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| 16:55.08 | ForgeAus | yeah looks like you can do alot of disabling in it |
| 16:55.29 | ForgeAus | nothing I need right now or can forsee wanting at this point |
| 16:55.31 | DaSkreech | Yep great for netcafes or public boxes at shows |
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| 16:55.38 | DaSkreech | >_< |
| 16:55.47 | DaSkreech | or computers in the reach of 5 year olds |
| 16:55.59 | ForgeAus | do touchscreens simply pretend to be the mousecursor? |
| 16:56.06 | DaSkreech | no |
| 16:56.10 | DaSkreech | they are the mouse cusour |
| 16:56.16 | DaSkreech | cursor |
| 16:56.29 | ForgeAus | ok so what happens if you touch 2 parts of the screen at once? |
| 16:56.39 | DaSkreech | depends on the touchscreen |
| 16:56.49 | ForgeAus | multicursors? |
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| 16:57.06 | DaSkreech | some will just register the first one that hits some will register one then move to the other some will register both |
| 16:57.12 | mrsaccess | knetscan is rather old but nmap, traceroute, whois options hasn't changed much all these years so it works |
| 16:57.13 | ForgeAus | mouse + touchscreen/stylus + gamecontroller (like wii) hehe... |
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| 16:57.39 | ForgeAus | ok I'll trust you and install it then :) |
| 16:57.46 | mrsaccess | it is a frontend after all |
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| 16:58.02 | ForgeAus | its just not going to show up in my adept as an installed package is it? |
| 16:58.02 | DaSkreech | mourns the KDE3 interface |
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| 16:58.10 | ForgeAus | me too DaSkreech |
| 16:58.10 | mrsaccess | alternatively stick to the konsole and the command line ;) |
| 16:58.11 | DaSkreech | ForgeAus: Hmm? |
| 16:58.20 | DaSkreech | ForgeAus: checkinstall it |
| 16:58.33 | ForgeAus | MrsAccess I prefer gui options where possible |
| 16:58.33 | DaSkreech | mrsaccess: have you used Fe3d ? |
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| 16:58.51 | ForgeAus | whats checkinstall? |
| 16:59.06 | mrsaccess | no |
| 16:59.48 | mrsaccess | I am using Gentoo so I have all these available through portage |
| 16:59.57 | mrsaccess | I can try something if you want |
| 17:00.01 | DaSkreech | mrsaccess: damn you and your usefulness |
| 17:00.06 | ForgeAus | ahh Gentoo makes a great prefix on other OS's :) |
| 17:00.16 | ForgeAus | I had one for interix :) |
| 17:00.31 | DaSkreech | mrsaccess: I just want to know if the interface is as sluggish as I expect it to be |
| 17:00.34 | ForgeAus | but no KDE love there :( |
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| 17:01.08 | mrsaccess | you mean fe3d's interface? I'll check it |
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| 17:04.00 | ForgeAus | grr I need to be root to compile/install ? |
| 17:04.21 | DaSkreech | ForgeAus: No |
| 17:04.40 | ForgeAus | so why the permission denied? |
| 17:04.41 | DaSkreech | Only if you want to install outside of your home directory |
| 17:04.44 | ForgeAus | doh it didn't paste right |
| 17:04.57 | ForgeAus | its inside my home |
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| 17:05.15 | DaSkreech | you can configure --prefix=~/bin/test/prog |
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| 17:06.29 | ForgeAus | uh I think I'll just get kompile and/or kinstaller and use them |
| 17:06.39 | sp4 | hey, just found this in the linux upcoming stories on digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_LHC_is_using_KDE |
| 17:06.54 | DaSkreech | checkinstall will make a deb that will show up in Adept when you install it |
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| 17:07.28 | ForgeAus | lol! KDE is goingto be used to kill us all? |
| 17:07.56 | Sput | yes |
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| 17:08.04 | Sput | talk about world domination, eh? |
| 17:08.21 | DaSkreech | nods and two penguins in black suits get up and escort ForgeAus outside |
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| 17:12.50 | cael | anybody found a solution for the "konqueror processes not terminating when javascript enabled" bug? |
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| 17:15.21 | DaSkreech | Welll if they have maybe they can help with the Firefox process not terminating any damn time it feels like doing so |
| 17:15.59 | DaSkreech | I'm outtie |
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| 17:17.41 | cael | or can anybody tell me if konqueror processes terminate correctly in a recent svn build |
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| 17:24.48 | mrsaccess | fe3d isn't sluggish at all here. But I used nmap to create the input. |
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| 17:47.01 | hareldvd | Is there a kde component that monitors battery on laptops? |
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| 17:47.33 | smurfslover | hareldvd: kpowersave |
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| 17:47.52 | hareldvd | smurfslover: thanks. |
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| 17:48.11 | smurfslover | but i don't know if it is in kde4 already |
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| 17:50.31 | hareldvd | smurfslover: does kpowersave leaves an icon on the "Tray"? |
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| 17:50.53 | smurfslover | if you want it to |
| 17:51.02 | smurfslover | check the settings |
| 17:51.33 | hareldvd | what about klaptop? can it provide similar features? |
| 17:52.28 | smurfslover | don't know |
| 17:52.40 | smurfslover | try it and see what you like best |
| 17:52.51 | smurfslover | in kde4 there's a widget for the battery |
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| 17:53.45 | hareldvd | I just started klaptop_check. It gave me an icon on the tray. I don't know if it will shut down my machine on low power. |
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| 17:57.15 | P1ro | hi, on kde3 i can add transparency to the kmenu ? |
| 17:57.31 | annma | translucency yes |
| 17:57.35 | annma | I had that |
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| 17:58.12 | P1ro | annma, how? i have add it to the bar but cant fin where to add it to he kmenu |
| 17:58.14 | v6lur | hi, is there a dcop handle for switching to desktop x? |
| 17:58.24 | taonari | Hi i am running gentoo and finished compiling kde 4.1.1 and noticed that when emerging packages in konsole, that konsole no longer shows which package it is on in the titlebar. Is this broken or is there anything I can do to turn that on? I don't see anything in the settings. |
| 17:58.33 | annma | P1ro: I don't remember how, isn't there a setting dialog? |
| 17:58.45 | v6lur | (in kde 3.5) |
| 17:58.46 | annma | P1ro: I run kde since ages |
| 17:58.48 | annma | kde4 |
| 17:58.55 | P1ro | no, or i just cant find it |
| 17:59.22 | annma | taonari: for gentoo stuff ask in Gentoo channels please |
| 17:59.31 | annma | we don't emerge in kde |
| 17:59.31 | Half-Left | annma: Does branches get broken at anytime, it's more stable all the time? |
| 17:59.33 | taonari | annma: alrighty then |
| 17:59.48 | Half-Left | bug fixes |
| 17:59.52 | annma | branches are always stable Half-Left as they only accept bug fixes |
| 18:00.08 | annma | sometimes peole backport blindly though |
| 18:00.20 | Half-Left | annma: Yer but do the bug fixes break anything? :) |
| 18:00.29 | Half-Left | ahh |
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| 18:00.39 | vjoe | hello |
| 18:00.54 | v6lur | hi |
| 18:00.54 | annma | usually not Half-Left |
| 18:00.56 | vjoe | is there anyone to import the emails from evolution to kmail? |
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| 18:01.04 | annma | if it does you should signal it promptly |
| 18:01.24 | Half-Left | ok thanks annma baby |
| 18:01.26 | vjoe | s/anyone/anyway |
| 18:01.27 | vjoe | :\ |
| 18:01.31 | smurfslover | hareldvd: you can configure that by richt clicking on the tray icon |
| 18:02.24 | hareldvd | smurfslover: Thanks. (from Germany are you?) |
| 18:04.08 | smurfslover | hareldvd: no, Belgium |
| 18:04.19 | hareldvd | smurfslover: Cool. |
| 18:04.30 | smurfslover | thx |
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| 18:07.06 | v6lur | is there a dcop handle for switching to desktop x? |
| 18:07.44 | annma | look with kdcop |
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| 18:07.57 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 18:08.07 | Ace2016_- | anyone know what cms kde-look is running on? |
| 18:08.47 | Ace2016_- | i want to make a site and kde-look has the pools and stuff i want, hopefully it has a blog feature as well |
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| 18:09.00 | Jucato | v6lur: dcop kwin KWinInterface setCurrentDesktop <number> |
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| 18:09.27 | v6lur | Jucato: thanks :D |
| 18:10.24 | v6lur | emm... "no such function" |
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| 18:11.38 | sandsmark | Ace2016_-: it's custom made |
| 18:11.44 | sandsmark | and no, it doesn't have a blog feature |
| 18:11.45 | v6lur | nevermind. for some reason, i appearently have two kwins running. |
| 18:11.54 | v6lur | dcop kwin-2 .... did the trick |
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| 18:13.08 | Ace2016_- | yea it looked custom made, i assumed that the maintainer would pick an existing cms and customise the layout/modules rather than make it from scratch |
| 18:13.57 | Shaman` | so |
| 18:14.07 | Shaman` | someone please tell me there is a better toolbar for kde 4.1.1 available |
| 18:14.13 | Shaman` | can't even move the pager :( |
| 18:16.15 | Ace2016_- | i haven't even tried 4 i'm happy with 3 |
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| 18:16.26 | smurfslover | you can move stuff on the panel if you first unlock widgets then click on the cashew that'll appear on the panel |
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| 18:16.41 | smurfslover | or right click/panel settings |
| 18:17.13 | smurfslover | or set limits for auto-expanding panels |
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| 18:18.46 | Shaman` | ok I got it to move a bit... but I appreciated the old pager, which I could put right in the middle of my screen :/ |
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| 18:18.54 | annma | use kde3 |
| 18:19.05 | sorteal | I agree |
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| 18:19.08 | Shaman` | otherwise I like 4.1.1 although the default theme is pretty... for lack of a better word... ugly |
| 18:19.19 | annma | use kicker then |
| 18:19.30 | annma | you probably still have kde3, no? |
| 18:19.47 | sorteal | kde4 won't really hit stride till later if ever. |
| 18:19.51 | Shaman` | yeah I do have kde3 |
| 18:20.17 | Shaman` | "if ever" really isn't much of an option :/ |
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| 18:20.21 | annma | Shaman`: so run kicker on kde4 |
| 18:21.04 | sorteal | lol I still have faith but the thought of waiting for kde5 has crossed my mind lol sorry I can't help but look at worse case |
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| 18:21.41 | babeck | Does anyone know if there is a way to change the column headings in KMail to be folder specific? For example I'd like Sender column to appear in all the folders except outbox, sent-mail, and drafts. |
| 18:21.46 | Shaman` | I dunno, it's mostly usable... the panel is a step back though |
| 18:22.12 | Shaman` | also can't get the trashcan to count right, it's empty but reports 60 items in it |
| 18:22.13 | sorteal | Plus I'm NO fan of Dolphin which KDE seems intent on using. Why they want to replace Konqueror is beyond me really. |
| 18:22.23 | Shaman` | there we agree |
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| 18:23.22 | junkDawgie | as a gui plasma doesn't seem to have any benefit.... you still have to click two things to get a new app or folder... you could do that before |
| 18:23.43 | sorteal | Good point! |
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| 18:23.52 | annma | you guys have no clue |
| 18:23.53 | Shaman` | I see the potential future benefits. |
| 18:24.04 | annma | good Shaman` |
| 18:24.08 | Shaman` | I see that QT4 is vastly superior to QT3. |
| 18:24.17 | annma | you have various new concepts which were not in kde3 |
| 18:24.19 | Shaman` | I just wish that the user experience was #1 on the list right now. :) |
| 18:24.21 | sorteal | I'd love to see it really shine but it seems weak against 3.5 |
| 18:24.25 | junkDawgie | 'splain it to us, annma.... really i'm willing to be convinced |
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| 18:24.44 | annma | it's just not finished for people who want to tweak all day |
| 18:25.02 | junkDawgie | guilty of that.... i am trying to make it useful |
| 18:25.16 | sorteal | I see your point |
| 18:25.16 | annma | but the concepts are totally advanced compared to old-kicker which was a pile of shit code |
| 18:25.23 | sorteal | lol |
| 18:25.28 | annma | think small devices for a start |
| 18:25.30 | annma | activities |
| 18:25.35 | annma | ZUI |
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| 18:25.43 | annma | read plasma FAQ on userbase.kde.org |
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| 18:26.03 | annma | now it's Work In Progress |
| 18:26.07 | annma | we need time |
| 18:26.22 | iamben | anyone using a 2-battery laptop on kde-4? my battery meter looks messed up when i set "show the state for each battery present" |
| 18:26.57 | junkDawgie | i did... and i agree that nobody really knows it's capabilities .... but as you will also note... there is 0 documentation on the plasma site... just the FAQ |
| 18:27.02 | annma | Plasma in the thing you configure the more as it's desktop so you guys want it all perfect with all features |
| 18:27.06 | junkDawgie | so we got no idea |
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| 18:27.16 | annma | junkDawgie: feel freeto maintain websites |
| 18:27.22 | annma | we already struggle for code |
| 18:27.32 | annma | do you want plasma devels waste time on websites? |
| 18:27.41 | annma | that takes bloody time to write stuff |
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| 18:27.57 | annma | userbase.kde.org is targetted to users |
| 18:28.04 | annma | and done by users in fact |
| 18:28.08 | junkDawgie | cart before the horse.... a app with no direction is useless |
| 18:28.29 | annma | we have directions |
| 18:28.50 | annma | but we don't have time to write them all down for you |
| 18:29.13 | annma | don't worry about directions and so far nobody challenged the ideas and the design |
| 18:29.19 | Shaman` | I just want a desktop and PIM that are usable |
| 18:29.22 | Shaman` | It's close |
| 18:29.25 | annma | what is challenged are small features like hide paneml |
| 18:29.31 | Shaman` | But not what I'd call a full experience :( |
| 18:29.37 | junkDawgie | you are thinking like a programer... i'm thinking like a user |
| 18:29.37 | annma | we never said it is |
| 18:29.48 | annma | no, I am a user first believe me |
| 18:29.49 | Shaman` | 4.1 series is supposed to be user-targetted, I thought |
| 18:30.09 | annma | I am not a programmer per profession junkDawgie far from it |
| 18:30.29 | annma | 3.1 was not as usable as 3.5 Shaman` |
| 18:30.36 | annma | remember |
| 18:30.40 | Shaman` | agreed |
| 18:30.43 | sorteal | VERY TRUE lol |
| 18:30.45 | junkDawgie | my point would be "brillant programing is useless unless you know how to use it" |
| 18:30.45 | Shaman` | but |
| 18:30.49 | Shaman` | that was like... 10 years ago |
| 18:30.50 | Shaman` | :) |
| 18:31.14 | Shaman` | I just expected a better experience, I guess. My fault. |
| 18:31.30 | annma | enterprizes still use KDE 3.4 |
| 18:31.44 | annma | because it's polished with minor versions |
| 18:31.57 | smurfslover | Shaman`: which distro do you have |
| 18:32.06 | annma | distros jumped on 4 because they want to look modern |
| 18:32.07 | smurfslover | or did you compile kde4 from source |
| 18:32.14 | Shaman` | Ubuntu |
| 18:32.26 | annma | I sort of disagree with their attitude |
| 18:32.27 | smurfslover | kubuntu's packages are not bad though |
| 18:32.38 | smurfslover | but PIM is still buggy |
| 18:32.53 | smurfslover | especially akregator |
| 18:33.09 | junkDawgie | new updates all the time, obviously they are trying |
| 18:33.32 | smurfslover | so you can stay away from it and use kde3 for a stable and complete desktop |
| 18:34.00 | smurfslover | or you can use kde4, file bug-reports and help these people to make it better |
| 18:34.07 | boldii | I just zoomed out of my desktop in KDE4 how can I zoom in again?? |
| 18:34.53 | smurfslover | boldii: click the cashew again |
| 18:34.54 | junkDawgie | the cashew on the top right |
| 18:35.27 | boldii | I got unlock widget and add activity there |
| 18:35.59 | junkDawgie | new plasmoid the dancing wimmins (a la MontyPython) |
| 18:36.06 | smurfslover | try meta + 0 |
| 18:36.10 | boldii | oh, ok. found it. it was hidden by my panel. |
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| 18:36.20 | smurfslover | lol |
| 18:36.23 | junkDawgie | gives himself three demerits for off-topic |
| 18:36.35 | boldii | never mind. but I think that a panel at the top should be considered. |
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| 18:37.08 | junkDawgie | believe there is that option |
| 18:37.17 | smurfslover | just move it up |
| 18:37.37 | boldii | yes, I have it there. and that is why I couldn't find the zoom in option ;) |
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| 18:38.00 | smurfslover | boldii: file a bug report |
| 18:38.16 | annma | there's already one surely |
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| 18:38.36 | boldii | I am currently collecting some bugs I will file that weekend when I have time. |
| 18:38.46 | boldii | there is so much which is bugging me. |
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| 18:39.19 | annma | boldii: be sure to check the database before filing any bugs |
| 18:39.36 | annma | especiallyif you just happen to install kde4 |
| 18:39.45 | boldii | yes, sure. |
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| 18:41.13 | boldii | hopefully 4.2 will be a lot better. |
| 18:41.19 | zsz | what do I have to do to make konqueror display applets? The "enable java" option is checked, the path to "java" executable is set to "java", sun java version 1.6.0_07 is installed |
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| 18:41.40 | annma | boldii: it'll be better and 4.3 will be better and so on |
| 18:41.47 | boldii | annma: :) |
| 18:42.21 | Half-Left | zsz: Try setting it to /usrbin/java |
| 18:42.21 | annma | remember we all do it after regular work |
| 18:42.58 | boldii | annma: it was not intended to sound mad or whatsoever. I really appreciate the work being done. |
| 18:43.49 | annma | as hardware moves forward, software also has to |
| 18:43.52 | annma | I know boldii |
| 18:44.08 | junkDawgie | for me, 4.1.1 was the turning point.... i wrestled with 4.0.4 and was about to format |
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| 18:44.27 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 18:44.37 | metalfan_ | what do you guys use for rar/unrar in kde4? |
| 18:44.53 | smurfslover | metalfan_: i use konsole |
| 18:44.56 | Half-Left | Ark |
| 18:45.02 | zsz | Half-Left: no effect |
| 18:45.19 | metalfan_ | Half-Left: thx |
| 18:45.19 | junkDawgie | Q7z metalfan |
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| 18:45.32 | boldii | I decided to switch as KDEmod switched to KDE4. |
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| 18:46.47 | annma | usually distros allow to install both 3 and 4 |
| 18:46.53 | metalfan_ | Half-Left: what distro do you use? |
| 18:47.02 | annma | so you can for ex run kde4 apps on kde3 or vice versa |
| 18:47.03 | Half-Left | People will come to KDE4.x, just a matter of time |
| 18:47.17 | annma | I run some kde3 apps on kde4 |
| 18:47.20 | metalfan_ | junkDawgie: the homepage isnt that informative, sounds more like a only 7zip tool? |
| 18:47.25 | annma | like Konversation and KMail |
| 18:47.30 | Half-Left | metalfan_: Linux mint esyliss |
| 18:47.49 | boldii | the only KDE3 app I am still running is kmymoney |
| 18:47.55 | Half-Left | Especially now Amarok is looking really good |
| 18:47.59 | metalfan_ | Half-Left: what a freakshow |
| 18:48.10 | Half-Left | Eh? |
| 18:48.13 | boldii | well, I don't know what I should think about the new amarok. |
| 18:48.14 | junkDawgie | metalfan_: well, you can add context menu support for Dolphin with and add-in "Extract and Compress" |
| 18:48.47 | metalfan_ | junkDawgie: got someone here that needs a "out of the box" solution... |
| 18:49.11 | annma | amarok2 is alpha boldii |
| 18:49.21 | annma | distros ship alpha stuff |
| 18:49.21 | Half-Left | Just use Dolphin to open them and copy paste the folder |
| 18:49.34 | boldii | yep, I mean the new style not it's stability or somehting. |
| 18:49.37 | Half-Left | annma: Beta now |
| 18:49.47 | annma | Beta in first stage |
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| 18:49.54 | Half-Left | Beta2 very soon |
| 18:49.54 | metalfan_ | thx |
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| 18:50.46 | smurfslover | boldii: which distro? |
| 18:50.51 | Half-Left | It's rather innovative the plasma intergration in the middle is nice |
| 18:50.51 | boldii | archlinux |
| 18:51.09 | smurfslover | in ubuntu you can install amarok-nightly next to amarok 1.4 |
| 18:51.25 | smurfslover | amarok-nightly looks much better |
| 18:51.29 | boldii | yes, I could do this here too, but I like to try a bit. |
| 18:51.41 | smurfslover | too bad it doesn't pick up kde color settings yet |
| 18:51.50 | Half-Left | What doesn't? |
| 18:51.57 | boldii | I have an svn version from 9th september |
| 18:51.58 | smurfslover | and works much better |
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| 18:52.09 | smurfslover | amarok-nightly |
| 18:52.15 | Shaman` | back to kde3 |
| 18:52.17 | Shaman` | :/ |
| 18:52.25 | Half-Left | trunk pickups colour settings here |
| 18:52.30 | smurfslover | since i have 4.1 |
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| 18:52.50 | smurfslover | since i have 4.1.1 is don't use kde3 much anymore |
| 18:53.46 | Half-Left | Well Amarok, digikam are in beta for KDE4 |
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| 18:54.00 | Half-Left | Two killer apps |
| 18:54.21 | boldii | and don't forget Koffice |
| 18:54.31 | Half-Left | Thats still Alpha |
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| 18:54.50 | junkDawgie | k3b for kde4 is a disaster |
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| 18:55.06 | boldii | I don't get k3b to work. but haven't tried very much yet. |
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| 18:55.24 | Half-Left | Well they need time to port it |
| 18:55.43 | smurfslover | new digikam looks great |
| 18:55.50 | junkDawgie | the kde3 version is functional... but it doesn't seem to cooperate with automount |
| 18:55.52 | iamben | i dunno, my k3b-2 works fine |
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| 18:56.03 | smurfslover | and i'm crazy about the new gwenview |
| 18:56.18 | Half-Left | Last thing we want really in my view is just another port of the same thing, kde4 apps are innovative and have been redesigned, afew anyway |
| 18:56.38 | junkDawgie | can you get k3b-2 to verify a burn under kde4? |
| 18:56.44 | Half-Left | Yep |
| 18:56.55 | Half-Left | k3b works fine in KDE4 |
| 18:57.21 | junkDawgie | i'd disagree, mine won't suck the disc back in and verify |
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| 18:57.51 | Half-Left | Turn off verify then |
| 18:58.06 | iamben | ive never used verify, i've got my cdrom bay filled with another battery |
| 18:58.06 | Half-Left | Or skip it |
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| 18:58.29 | junkDawgie | depends if you actually want to keep the data, i guess |
| 18:58.45 | iamben | but for that matter, my cdrom cant suck anything back in once it's ejected, its a notebook |
| 18:58.58 | junkDawgie | i always use verify if i plan to remove it from the hard drive... it's that or lose it |
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| 19:04.43 | Half-Left | Pitty smplayer couldn't replace drongon player |
| 19:04.50 | Half-Left | dragon* |
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| 19:05.27 | Half-Left | Mine you thats a mplayer front end |
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| 19:14.26 | DeadFishMan | Half-Left: You can say that again for me. They decided to go with a simple approach with KDE4 but Dragon Player UI is way too spartan for my taste... |
| 19:15.01 | Half-Left | I'll have to agree I'm afraid |
| 19:15.02 | DeadFishMan | Half-Left: SMPlayer's UI is not bad and it has some unique features. |
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| 19:16.02 | Half-Left | Yer shame it's Qt app and not KDE but looks like a Crossplatform one |
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| 19:16.18 | Half-Left | well, is |
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| 19:16.33 | Half-Left | it's extreemly fast |
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| 19:17.00 | DeadFishMan | and the ability to resume playing 'no matter what' is nifty! ^_^ |
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| 19:20.39 | Half-Left | ok, so I like cmake more now days |
| 19:21.36 | vjoe | is there any KDE frontend to mplayer? |
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| 19:22.21 | DeadFishMan | vjoe: KMPlayer, Kaffeine, KPlayer and SMPlayer comes to min |
| 19:22.32 | DeadFishMan | *mind |
| 19:22.47 | friedrich| | how do I get the menus back in konqueror? (File Settings Views and so on?) |
| 19:23.04 | Half-Left | kmplayer, not sure on the status of it. it's in extragear |
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| 19:23.17 | vjoe | DeadFishMan, which do you recommend? |
| 19:23.21 | ascizo | 'ello |
| 19:23.31 | Half-Left | smplayer rocks though |
| 19:24.10 | DeadFishMan | vjoe: I'd try them all and see which one I like best. I dislike Kaffeine's UI because I think it is too busy but my wife loves it. |
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| 19:24.27 | vjoe | I will try smplayer |
| 19:24.32 | vjoe | I hate gmplayer :x |
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| 19:24.47 | Half-Left | smplayer is feature rich as well |
| 19:25.13 | vjoe | but I have to keep gmplayer because of firefox :| |
| 19:25.33 | DeadFishMan | vjoe: KMPlayer is in KDE ExtraGear as Half-Left said so it is kinda of THE semi-official KDE mplayer front-end ^^ |
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| 19:27.09 | Half-Left | For some reason they dont use mplayer as their backend with default players, totem and dragon is phonon(xine/gstreamer) and totem used both as well |
| 19:27.15 | ascizo | which component handles key binding in KDE? the window manager? |
| 19:27.28 | Half-Left | totem dont use phonon ofcourse |
| 19:28.19 | sandsmark | ascizo: kded, I think |
| 19:28.54 | ascizo | sandsmark: ok. thanks |
| 19:28.57 | vjoe | diner, see you later |
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| 19:30.19 | friedrich| | Please, can somebody tell me how to get the main menu of konqueror back? The menu bar which has "File Views Settings About" and such? |
| 19:30.22 | Half-Left | Oh the days of sound servers :p |
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| 19:31.21 | ascizo | Half-Left: ctrl+M says "hide menu bar" here |
| 19:31.22 | Half-Left | freeedrich|: Right Click the bar and you have the ticked options |
| 19:31.48 | friedrich| | Half-Left: Ctrl+M it is :D |
| 19:31.54 | DeadFishMan | friedrich| TriedCtrl,M? |
| 19:31.55 | Half-Left | oh ok :p |
| 19:32.10 | friedrich| | So.. Can somebody tell me how to get rid of that status bar of konqueror? |
| 19:32.10 | DeadFishMan | Oops, beat me to it |
| 19:32.37 | friedrich| | The thing that informs about loading of webpages? |
| 19:33.19 | Half-Left | Ktorrent is a nice port as well, nice plasma allet for it |
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| 19:40.25 | ascizo | ark is archiver, right? |
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| 19:42.30 | Half-Left | Ark is a archiver yes |
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| 19:42.46 | ascizo | thanks |
| 19:43.08 | Half-Left | Will be getting lost of love in 4.2 |
| 19:43.13 | Half-Left | lots* |
| 19:43.18 | shade | helo |
| 19:44.01 | shade | i need a litle help with kmail, maybe its made by power loss in kaming making something, but now i cant remove one mail from archive, i pres deleate(move to garbage) and it sets line on title but stays on recived folder |
| 19:44.10 | shade | its kmail from kde 3.5.9 |
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| 19:46.14 | ascizo | heh. i'm not sure if i like KDE yet. installed it this morning after getting pissed off by gtk :P |
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| 19:51.48 | Half-Left | hehe |
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| 20:07.02 | marko_d | why there is no kde 4.1 screenshot section? |
| 20:08.46 | Half-Left | There should be in the Wiki |
| 20:10.21 | Half-Left | marko_d: Aaron put mine of KDE4.1 on the site, can't remember where |
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| 20:10.36 | marko_d | i mean on the screenshot page |
| 20:10.43 | Half-Left | yer |
| 20:12.47 | Half-Left | marko_d: He's not had time, sorry |
| 20:13.31 | marko_d | Half-Left: ok, good to know that it will be there sometimes :) |
| 20:14.38 | Half-Left | marko_d: Nice ZUI one :p |
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| 20:15.40 | Rapp | is it possible to import my identity settings from kmail in kde 3.5.x into kde 4.1? |
| 20:15.40 | marko_d | where ? |
| 20:16.13 | Half-Left | marko_d: http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/4/7/19/f_DesktopZoomm_31fc46d.png |
| 20:16.21 | Half-Left | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ#What_is_the_Zooming_User_Interface_.28ZUI.29.3F |
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| 20:27.43 | louis_xx | Please help, here of all places someone must know how to wrap a QT derived class (i.e. the example in the sip docs on riverbank) <-which is out of date. What should the new style configure.py look like? |
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| 20:30.27 | Rapp | one more question: konsole in kde 4.1 complains that my desktop does not support a transparent background. i don't get it... xchat complains about the same problem. |
| 20:30.34 | Rapp | is there a way to fix that? |
| 20:30.41 | ascizo | how to get rid of "Most used applications" and such in the K menu? |
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| 20:36.16 | Shootdown | hi |
| 20:36.35 | Shootdown | I've just installed KDE 4 and i dont know how to make visible icon tray |
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| 20:40.15 | roldyx | hello I have kde4 |
| 20:40.43 | luke-jr | 4.0 or 4.1? |
| 20:40.48 | roldyx | can I see window process?? |
| 20:40.51 | roldyx | 4.1 |
| 20:40.56 | luke-jr | window process? |
| 20:41.06 | roldyx | same top |
| 20:41.16 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 20:41.31 | roldyx | luke-jr: I press ctrl- Esc |
| 20:41.45 | roldyx | but not work |
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| 20:41.58 | luke-jr | roldyx: it's Ctrl-Shift-Esc⦠I think |
| 20:42.26 | roldyx | nothing |
| 20:44.25 | roldyx | it dont work |
| 20:45.35 | roldyx | can I set keys for launch "process table"? |
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| 20:54.35 | ebdomino | @+ |
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| 20:55.45 | Shootdown | hi |
| 20:55.58 | Shootdown | how I can to activate systray icon in KDE 4 ? |
| 20:57.34 | tgurr | is there any way to run a kde4 application with another color theme than the default one? my problem is that amarok doesn't look very good when you use for example the obsidian cost color theme, so i'd like to run it with the oxygen color theme for example. |
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| 21:00.11 | RichiH | any idea what's up with bugs.kde.org? |
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| 21:01.44 | ascizo | does konqueror support ns plugins? |
| 21:02.30 | RichiH | hmm, it works again |
| 21:04.07 | ascizo | ahh. seems like it does :) |
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| 21:09.03 | ascizo | too bad i still need some gtk2 apps :/ |
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| 21:20.34 | mrxmike | i found another bug in kde4.1.1 |
| 21:21.05 | mrxmike | if you use nvidia's twinview to change the display configuration |
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| 21:21.25 | mrxmike | you can get two 'plasmoid' buttons in the top of your screen |
| 21:21.27 | mrxmike | instead of one |
| 21:22.30 | mrxmike | i keep finding bugs :) |
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| 21:30.21 | r2_ | ... |
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| 21:32.42 | klebezettel | http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/bigbang/gallery.shtml?select=13 it's kde ^^ |
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| 21:42.34 | junkDawgie | check the FAQ at the plasma site, mrxmike |
| 21:42.50 | mrxmike | url? |
| 21:43.04 | junkDawgie | er.... have to look it up... one sec |
| 21:43.10 | mrxmike | i appreciate it |
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| 21:44.47 | junkDawgie | mrxmike: here ya go http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ |
| 21:45.18 | junkDawgie | as i read the info i got the impression that extending plasma over two monitors was beyond them at the moment |
| 21:45.34 | junkDawgie | just my take on it |
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| 21:48.11 | luke-jr | Plasma seemed to work on my two monitors fine |
| 21:48.23 | luke-jr | so it's probably a bug in the crappy nVidia stuff |
| 21:52.16 | junkDawgie | lol.... i've seen many comments about glitches with ati and nvidia cards.... gee thats only 90% of the market |
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| 21:53.40 | luke-jr | junkDawgie: yeah, the Windows 90% |
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| 21:56.56 | cbr | are there news about a networkmanager plasmoid? |
| 21:57.37 | pinotree | nope |
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| 21:59.00 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm trying to open multiple sound files from opera but after the first I get an error that audacity is already open |
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| 22:02.54 | mrxmike | i got two CASHEWS on one display after using twinview /changing resolutions |
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| 22:03.18 | mrxmike | plama cashes are nice, unless served salty / in pair |
| 22:03.26 | mrxmike | plasma cashews |
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| 22:07.46 | junkDawgie | sounds like you are hungry |
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| 22:09.41 | mrxmike | no men |
| 22:09.45 | mrxmike | i found a bug bug bug!! |
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| 22:12.41 | junkDawgie | i prolly could make a list.. but every time i think about it.... things change again |
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| 22:12.56 | kdepepo | nixternal, ping |
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| 22:15.41 | Half-Left | Well, my wireless is working great with the opensource driver they provied |
| 22:16.25 | mewmew | whats a good wireless program? |
| 22:16.34 | mewmew | i haven't been able to get wireless to work at all |
| 22:17.05 | mrxmike | wpa_supplicant ;D |
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| 22:17.07 | Half-Left | kwlan seems to work |
| 22:17.13 | mrxmike | ^^ |
| 22:17.27 | Half-Left | and nEtwork Manager :p |
| 22:17.28 | kdepepo | mewmew, I use KNetworkManager |
| 22:17.41 | Half-Left | Network Manager :p |
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| 22:18.47 | Half-Left | Just had to compile the driver they provided, worked great, just happen to be opensource :) |
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| 22:40.05 | eNTi | hey guys. did something change with the "global shortcuts" in kde 4.1.1, because all of a sudden my shortcuts are missing and new ones are not "recognized". |
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| 22:41.56 | eNTi | and how do i get an application into "Keyboard Shortcuts" dropdown menu? |
| 22:42.19 | eNTi | there seem to be really random entries in there... |
| 22:42.33 | eNTi | especially in the "KHotKeys" menu. |
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| 22:46.52 | |Kiichan|Windam| | im having this oddball problem with the desktop picker (kpager?) thats in the taskbar. http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh88/sennyotai/computer/kii-desktop.png |
| 22:46.58 | tgillespie | hi all, is it normal for nepomukservices to have such a ridiculously high memory usage? does it just need optimising? |
| 22:46.58 | |Kiichan|Windam| | i cant figure out how to bring them back down to normal size... |
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| 22:50.48 | ForgeAus | hey :) um is there a quick way to empty trash from in the konqui trash:/ window? if not shouldn't there be? |
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| 22:51.24 | ForgeAus | I mean you can always rightclick your desktop or kicker/panel icon if you have one and delete there, thats quick |
| 22:52.26 | ForgeAus | (even if it is redundant its more, convenient) |
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| 22:56.25 | _sagitarius_ | is away: No toy... |
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| 23:04.25 | CyBaH | nn o/ |
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| 23:06.02 | S-i-A | how can is disable this XXXXXXXX in kate and Kwrite? |
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| 23:19.29 | friedrich| | porn? |
| 23:19.30 | friedrich| | huh? |
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| 23:30.56 | zerkms | guys, any nice system resources monitoring for tray except sysguard? |
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