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| 00:03.43 | brain0 | jmonreal: in kde3, there was a daemon responsible for that |
| 00:03.46 | brain0 | forgot its name |
| 00:03.54 | brain0 | but it doesn't exist in kde4 |
| 00:03.54 | jmonreal | and in kde4? |
| 00:04.04 | jmonreal | and how can i use |
| 00:04.08 | brain0 | I don't think these keys are automatically used by any program |
| 00:04.09 | jmonreal | the shortcuts |
| 00:04.18 | jmonreal | no it was by the system |
| 00:04.29 | jmonreal | mm so a daemon |
| 00:04.35 | brain0 | a kde component |
| 00:04.50 | jmonreal | and theres no intention to have in kde4? |
| 00:04.51 | brain0 | man, I talked about that exact topic to someone just yesterday |
| 00:05.04 | jmonreal | and... |
| 00:05.12 | brain0 | I forgot what the name was again |
| 00:05.22 | brain0 | anyway, I have no idea what the plans are here |
| 00:05.33 | brain0 | I use xbindkeys for such things, but that's just me |
| 00:05.59 | jmonreal | thanks Ill give it a try |
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| 00:08.51 | client | i get a error "You are not allowed to access the system configuration." when i run certain system admin things such as network tools |
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| 00:14.25 | yao_ziyuan | fedora's "earth_from_space.jpg" is very suitable for kde 4.1.1 wallpaper |
| 00:14.27 | yao_ziyuan | http://www.fe.infn.it/u/prencipe/SLIDES/earth_from_space.jpg |
| 00:14.50 | yao_ziyuan | i think kde 4 can use a space-themed wallpaper |
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| 00:20.42 | jmonreal | brain0, same problem the cpu is heating up |
| 00:20.46 | jmonreal | and now i have nothing open |
| 00:21.05 | brain0 | check top again |
| 00:21.22 | jmonreal | top doesnt show anything wrong |
| 00:21.42 | jmonreal | process of 3, 2, and 1 % |
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| 00:35.10 | jmonreal | sometimes X goes to 45% of cpu and Kwin to 42% |
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| 00:40.54 | cael | I've got a problem using composite effects of kwin ... when I enable them, I only get a black screen. I tested compiz-fusion with my graphic-card and that works. any can help me? |
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| 00:43.39 | waltercool | hey ya |
| 00:43.49 | waltercool | yakuake is not working into kde 4.1.1? |
| 00:43.54 | waltercool | ;( |
| 00:44.12 | brain0 | who told you that |
| 00:44.46 | waltercool | my computer |
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| 00:45.10 | brain0 | if yakuake wouldn't work, I couldn't read what you are saying |
| 00:45.30 | waltercool | what do you mean/ |
| 00:45.51 | brain0 | I mean I am running irssi on yakuake right now |
| 00:45.58 | waltercool | :S |
| 00:46.04 | waltercool | you dont have this??: <unknown program name>(14567)/: Communication problem with "yakuake" , it probably crashed. |
| 00:46.16 | brain0 | no |
| 00:46.19 | brain0 | never seen it |
| 00:46.36 | waltercool | dems... yakuake 2.9.3, right?/ |
| 00:46.59 | brain0 | yes |
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| 00:47.22 | brain0 | I applied a patch to add more dbus calls, but that shouldn't affect anything |
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| 00:47.33 | waltercool | mmm... where you get the patch? |
| 00:47.37 | brain0 | I wrote it |
| 00:47.39 | waltercool | very interested |
| 00:47.41 | waltercool | wow |
| 00:47.52 | waltercool | brain0: kde developer? |
| 00:48.00 | brain0 | I actually only duplicated one function, removed half of the code from it and added an extra dbus slot for it |
| 00:48.03 | brain0 | no |
| 00:48.26 | brain0 | I just needed a function yakuake didn't provide by default |
| 00:49.02 | brain0 | in particular, you can toggle the window visibility via dbus. but there is no way to show the window or hide the window. or ask if the window is hidden or visible |
| 00:49.13 | waltercool | brain0: uhmmm... but while more dbus calls, more apps can "talk" with others |
| 00:49.37 | brain0 | so a "toggleWindow" function is quite useless if you want to write a script to tell yakuake to do certain things and then show itself |
| 00:50.00 | waltercool | brain0: Mmmm... you mean... toggle up and down with other apps? |
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| 00:50.29 | brain0 | you CAN toggle up and down. but all you can do is "hide the window if it is visible and make it visible if it is hidden" |
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| 00:51.09 | brain0 | there is no call to "show the window if it is hidden, do nothing otherwise", and no call for "hide the window if it is visible, do nothing otherwise" |
| 00:51.19 | brain0 | and no call that tells you whether the window is visible or not |
| 00:51.54 | brain0 | as dbus is useful for controlling applications from other applications, the yakuake interface is quite useless in that respect |
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| 00:52.29 | waltercool | uhmmm, not a lot really |
| 00:52.56 | waltercool | if you want open a big app, is a big idea hide yakuake |
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| 00:53.07 | brain0 | fortunately, kdelibs kind of add dbus calls almost automatically |
| 00:53.29 | brain0 | you don't need to know anything about dbus |
| 00:53.55 | waltercool | brain0: so... you need know only kde development? |
| 00:54.31 | brain0 | not even that |
| 00:54.46 | brain0 | well, if you write an app, yes |
| 00:54.50 | brain0 | I only copied code |
| 00:54.51 | brain0 | I didn |
| 00:54.56 | brain0 | I didn't write new code |
| 00:55.07 | waltercool | brain0: But if works... ;) |
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| 01:01.56 | jmonreal | another Q, whats the use of ctrl shift T in the Konsole? it divides it, but what you type it types it on both konsoles |
| 01:02.07 | jmonreal | whats the functionality of that? |
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| 01:04.33 | rizvan | kickoff not coming up (appearing) with "Stripshine" plasma theme. |
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| 01:04.57 | bock | is there a way to set environment variables for a kde session? |
| 01:05.06 | bock | (KDE 4) |
| 01:05.17 | rizvan | .bashrc |
| 01:05.27 | bock | i doubt it |
| 01:05.40 | bock | if I start a program by alt+f2 it starts with english LANG |
| 01:05.52 | bock | my basrc exports a german one |
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| 01:07.23 | brain0 | bock: $HOME/.kde/env/ (or on most distributions $HOME/.kde4/env/) |
| 01:07.27 | rizvan | systemsettings->regional settings? |
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| 01:08.51 | bock | brain0: what do I pout into there? bash scripts? |
| 01:09.08 | brain0 | bock: files with sh code |
| 01:09.14 | bock | okay |
| 01:09.16 | bock | thank you |
| 01:09.16 | brain0 | bock: like export foo=bar |
| 01:09.19 | bock | I'll try it |
| 01:09.34 | brain0 | maybe you need to make them executable so kde doesn't ignore them, but I am not sure kde cares |
| 01:09.50 | bock | I'll do it to be on the safe side |
| 01:10.11 | bock | brb |
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| 01:11.51 | jmonreal | brain0, i cant find the application thats ussing all the cpu |
| 01:13.47 | brain0 | hmm, sad |
| 01:15.38 | jmonreal | but gkrellm |
| 01:15.56 | jmonreal | its saying thats the cpu are being use and a ton |
| 01:16.31 | jmonreal | PROC says xx process and z users |
| 01:18.09 | jmonreal | what is this? usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --ses |
| 01:18.40 | brain0 | it's the dbus session bus |
| 01:18.46 | cael | I've got a problem using composite effects of kwin ... when I enable them, I only get a black screen. I tested compiz-fusion with my graphic-card and that works. any can help me? |
| 01:18.49 | brain0 | killing it would effectively cripple kde |
| 01:19.10 | brain0 | unless there are several instances running for your current user |
| 01:19.23 | brain0 | although they should kill themselves as soon as you exit a session |
| 01:20.12 | jmonreal | mm well i guess ill go back to 3.5 bc i got no clue what is using the cpu so much |
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| 01:21.50 | CydeWeys | Hi, I'm reliably able to crash the file browser Dolphin simply by browsing to a particular directory. I believe it's because files in said directory contain Japanese characters in their file name. Is this bug something anyone in here would be interested in? |
| 01:23.20 | CydeWeys | It also crashes when trying to do anything with the directory, like moving it. |
| 01:24.51 | cael | CydeWeys: what's the default character encoding on your system? |
| 01:25.04 | CydeWeys | cael: I guess just American English? |
| 01:25.17 | CydeWeys | The characters display fine in an ls listing on the shell, of all things. |
| 01:25.32 | CydeWeys | (In Konsole, haven't tried a true terminal yet) |
| 01:26.00 | CydeWeys | I'm running Ubuntu with KDE 4.1. |
| 01:26.07 | brain0 | they probably wouldn't show properly on a VT, because you probably don't have a proper font there |
| 01:26.11 | cael | CydeWeys: you could start dolphin in a console to see if you get any hints while the app crashes |
| 01:26.12 | CydeWeys | x86-64, if that matters |
| 01:26.20 | CydeWeys | cael: Ah, good idea. I'll try that. |
| 01:27.01 | CydeWeys | cael: Heh, didn't work, it looks like typing dolphin at the command line invokes some kind of new thread and then returns control. |
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| 01:27.22 | CydeWeys | I do get a crash handler that has some details though |
| 01:27.25 | CydeWeys | Lemme try pastebin. |
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| 01:28.08 | CydeWeys | http://pastebin.ca/1196075 |
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| 01:31.47 | cael | CydeWeys: you could try to create a new folder (in console) and move the file in there (the file you think, which causes the problem) and check if it is that file which causes the crash |
| 01:33.17 | cael | CydeWeys: if it crashes while viewing that folder, you could rename the file to be sure if it is a character encoding problem |
| 01:34.20 | CydeWeys | cael: Yeah, I'm going to try to narrow it down to a single emblematic bad file name, then post some kind of bug report |
| 01:35.23 | angasule | hmm |
| 01:36.03 | angasule | bah, not enough time to get into it, but apparently turning off the annoying dolphin behaviour of littering directories with a ".directory" file is trivial |
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| 02:03.15 | seemant | is there a thingy similar to gnome-keyboard-properties, but you know, for kde4? |
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| 02:06.32 | Nostahl | hey all anyone have problems pairing bluetooth with blueman? |
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| 02:15.36 | auntieNeo | umm... I'm not so familiar with kde's source code and I'm looking for the function that kde uses to convert file sizes in bytes to human readable strings (e.g. 65.7 MB). Does anyone know where to look? I'm browsing the websvn's trunk right now... |
| 02:15.48 | drantin | #kde-devel ? |
| 02:15.53 | auntieNeo | ehe :P |
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| 02:16.01 | auntieNeo | I'll ask there I guess ;P |
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| 02:17.21 | ewomer | hello im getting this message trying to install kdm themes from the kdm theme section in the systems manager V |
| 02:17.32 | ewomer | systemsettings(8918)/knewstuff (api): Could not determine type of archive file ' "/tmp/kde-eric/RQ44ovnBsy"' |
| 02:17.32 | ewomer | Error: "/tmp/kde-eric" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. |
| 02:18.25 | drantin | running systemsettings via kdesu? |
| 02:19.33 | ewomer | no sudo because kdesu is jacked up |
| 02:21.04 | ewomer | i cant run too much as kdesu espically dolphin |
| 02:21.31 | ewomer | but why does it mangle the archives |
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| 02:22.57 | EagleScreen | keyboard input actions is not working well for me, and you? |
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| 02:26.51 | ewomer | but why does it mangle the archives |
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| 02:29.24 | ewomer | hello |
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| 02:30.59 | EagleScreen | hello |
| 02:31.59 | ewomer | i was trying to figure out why systemsettings would mangle the themes downloaded for kdm |
| 02:34.29 | ewomer | and why i have to run sudo dolphin befor kdesu dolphin would run right |
| 02:34.39 | Nostahl | anyone here good with bluetooth |
| 02:35.21 | ewomer | no i wish but i never had a use for it |
| 02:35.40 | EagleScreen | ewomer what is your ditribution? |
| 02:36.27 | ewomer | gentoo |
| 02:36.57 | Nostahl | ima install gnome real quick to see if its bluetooth method works |
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| 02:38.01 | ewomer | also is this a big error or just a warning http://pastebin.com/d49ed8434 |
| 02:38.22 | ewomer | does wicd handle bluetooth |
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| 02:39.32 | Woosta | I have 2.4GB in my trash directory .. which is nuts coz I don't have a 'trash' to drag stuff into. I assume that's where Konq puts deleted files? Anyway, what's the 'right' way to empty it? |
| 02:39.52 | Woosta | I don't know where there's an icon whose right-click menu would include an 'empty' option :-D |
| 02:40.00 | ewomer | 3.5.9 or 4.1.1 |
| 02:40.15 | Woosta | 3.x |
| 02:40.38 | Woosta | Ooh! I found it |
| 02:40.44 | Woosta | on the konqueror startup screen :-D |
| 02:40.57 | ewomer | ok kool |
| 02:41.18 | Woosta | Is there any way to auto-empty the trash each time I shut down? |
| 02:41.31 | ewomer | i dont know |
| 02:41.39 | Woosta | (or, alternately, will I break something if I write a shell script to empty it) |
| 02:41.52 | ewomer | you automatically go to the trash and empty it |
| 02:42.06 | Woosta | lol |
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| 03:59.35 | fessio | hi everyone |
| 04:00.35 | fessio | could enyone help me with building KDE from trunk plz? ;) |
| 04:00.51 | fessio | when building kdelibs I get th following error: |
| 04:01.02 | fessio | cmakekde |
| 04:01.06 | fessio | -- Found Qt-Version 4.4.1 (using /usr/bin/qmake-qt4) |
| 04:01.10 | fessio | -- Found X11: /usr/lib/libX11.so |
| 04:01.14 | fessio | -- Your version of automoc4 is too old. You have 0.9.84, you need at least 0.9.87 |
| 04:01.18 | fessio | -- WARNING: you are using the obsolete 'PKGCONFIG' macro use FindPkgConfig |
| 04:01.22 | fessio | -- Found Strigi >= 0.6.0 |
| 04:01.26 | fessio | -- Found Soprano: /usr/lib/libsoprano.so |
| 04:01.30 | fessio | -- Found Soprano includes: /usr/include |
| 04:01.42 | fessio | -- Found Soprano Index: /usr/lib/libsopranoindex.so |
| 04:01.42 | fessio | -- Found Soprano Client: /usr/lib/libsopranoclient.so |
| 04:01.42 | fessio | -- Found Soprano Plugins: nquadparser nquadserializer raptorparser raptorserializer redlandbackend |
| 04:01.42 | fessio | -- Found ACL support: /lib/libacl.so;/lib/libattr.so |
| 04:01.42 | fessio | CMake Error at kdecore/kconfig_compiler/CMakeLists.txt:11 (kde4_add_executable): |
| 04:01.43 | fessio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:05.33 | fessio | any ideas? |
| 04:05.59 | drantin | old cmake version maybe? |
| 04:06.48 | drantin | i think it requires 2.6.0 or greater, but not 100% certain on that... |
| 04:07.11 | fessio | hm... apt-get says i've got the newest one |
| 04:07.28 | drantin | the newest one in your repo? which version is it? |
| 04:07.48 | drantin | cmake --version |
| 04:07.54 | fessio | cmake version 2.6-patch 0 |
| 04:08.06 | drantin | dunno then, I'm on patch-1 ... |
| 04:08.18 | drantin | but my build is two or three days old now |
| 04:08.38 | drantin | of trunk that is |
| 04:08.40 | fessio | did you compile it ? |
| 04:08.43 | fessio | I see |
| 04:08.57 | drantin | now, why would I need cmake to install a pre-compiled version? |
| 04:09.24 | fessio | I mean where did you get cmake from |
| 04:09.30 | fessio | from source? |
| 04:09.57 | drantin | I'm on gentoo, everything is from source |
| 04:10.04 | drantin | unless it ends in -bin |
| 04:10.10 | fessio | :) |
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| 04:31.43 | fessio | I think I found the problem |
| 04:31.45 | fessio | Your version of automoc4 is too old. You have 0.9.84, you need at least 0.9.87 |
| 04:32.01 | fessio | but now I'm confused even more... |
| 04:32.19 | fessio | $ automoc4 --version |
| 04:32.19 | fessio | automoc4 0.9.87 |
| 04:33.31 | fessio | how can that be? cmake says My version is 0.9.84. and aotumoc says that it's 0.9.87 :)) |
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| 04:35.20 | judaz | hey.. im on debian 2.6.26-1 |
| 04:35.33 | judaz | and for some reason, KDE sounds does not work |
| 04:35.37 | judaz | like kopete sounds |
| 04:35.44 | judaz | but i have sound.. music is playing |
| 04:36.01 | judaz | anybody know what can be the problem? |
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| 04:36.37 | judaz | sorry, sounds don't* |
| 04:36.53 | judaz | spanish is my mother tongue.. hehe |
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| 04:42.22 | wilsonsamm | judaz: do you have esd? |
| 04:42.30 | wilsonsamm | aka esoundd |
| 04:43.41 | judaz | wilsonsamm: not sure.. how can i know that? |
| 04:44.04 | judaz | wilsonsamm: alsaplayer-esd ? |
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| 04:45.39 | swaroop | hi all, is there any solutions for the issue pointed out at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157017 ? I would like to stay with KDE4 but this issue force me to go for KDE3.x :( |
| 04:46.44 | wilsonsamm | sorry, I don't know how it is on debian - it's been a while, you know? but do you get sound from kopete if you start kopete before anyother apps that use the sound card? |
| 04:47.33 | judaz | wilsonsamm: never tried.. |
| 04:48.00 | judaz | almost every app I use make a sound for somenthing |
| 04:48.02 | judaz | ja |
| 04:48.31 | wilsonsamm | there is a package called "esound" - see if you have it installed |
| 04:48.42 | judaz | wilsonsamm: its not |
| 04:48.53 | wilsonsamm | get it |
| 04:49.02 | judaz | wilsonsamm: done |
| 04:49.40 | judaz | now what.. hehehe |
| 04:49.43 | wilsonsamm | I'm not sure if there is any other config to do after that before restarting X - I'd ask in #debian or so |
| 04:49.54 | judaz | wilsonsamm: ok.. THANX! |
| 04:50.01 | judaz | i'll try restarting X first |
| 04:50.03 | wilsonsamm | No problem! |
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| 04:50.09 | wilsonsamm | Allright |
| 04:50.15 | wilsonsamm | and let's know how it worked |
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| 04:51.52 | swaroop | any help? |
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| 04:52.03 | judaz | wilsonsamm: didnt work.. hehe |
| 04:52.16 | wilsonsamm | judaz: did you ask in #debian? |
| 04:52.26 | judaz | wilsonsamm: I'm on it |
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| 04:53.43 | Chani | swaroop: well, there's a workaround explained right in that bugreport. other than that, all we can do is wait for nvidia to fix their darn driver. |
| 04:54.27 | swaroop | Chani: Is it disabling the cursor blink? |
| 04:54.31 | Chani | swaroop: yeah |
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| 04:55.09 | Chani | oh, the joys of proprietary code... |
| 04:55.42 | swaroop | Chani: well I dont have Gnome-Control-Center installed since I dont have gnome installed |
| 04:55.50 | judaz | lol |
| 04:55.54 | Chani | tries to remember the derivative of e^n |
| 04:56.12 | swaroop | Chani: so I think i may have to install gnome to fix this? |
| 04:56.30 | Chani | swaroop: then install it, change the setting and uninstall it? *shrug* or install the kde-ified OOo instead |
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| 04:57.06 | swaroop | Chani: Well the issue I need to fix is for eclipse. Thats the software I mostly use |
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| 04:57.48 | Chani | ah |
| 04:58.02 | swaroop | Chani: Initially I was happy to have an nvidia chipset and now i regret :( |
| 04:58.11 | Chani | do these bugs occur even with composite disabled? |
| 04:58.28 | perry_ | can someone point me in the right direction to figure out why k9copy is giving me a socket connect error? |
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| 04:58.49 | swaroop | Chani: was that to me? |
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| 05:00.01 | swaroop | Chani: if that was to me well yes the bug is there even if composite is disabled |
| 05:02.08 | swaroop | it is now like I cant use any GTk or wine based application (which got editor) in KDE4...This is really embarrassing...I wanted to use KDE4 but never I can just because of this bug |
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| 05:05.29 | anom01y | why is it that when I run alsa force-reload, and then kmix, I get different mixer settings every time |
| 05:05.32 | anom01y | ? |
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| 05:08.17 | judaz | hey |
| 05:08.37 | judaz | wilsonsamm: i found that whenever i do an artsplay, it returns: Can't connect to sound serve |
| 05:08.37 | anom01y | hey |
| 05:08.50 | anom01y | Im having issues with my sound too' |
| 05:08.54 | judaz | fe: artsplay /usr/share/sounds/Kopete_Sent.ogg |
| 05:09.05 | judaz | returns: Can't connect to sound serve |
| 05:09.15 | judaz | server* |
| 05:09.43 | wilsonsamm | do you have the arts package? |
| 05:10.09 | illogic-al | ow. my eyes are burning. |
| 05:10.38 | judaz | wilsonsamm: yep |
| 05:11.02 | wilsonsamm | what's up with illogic-al's eyes? |
| 05:12.45 | judaz | ok bed.. |
| 05:12.50 | wilsonsamm | judaz: have you run 'esd' at a a command line |
| 05:12.53 | wilsonsamm | ? |
| 05:12.58 | judaz | wilsonsamm: n |
| 05:12.59 | judaz | no |
| 05:13.05 | wilsonsamm | give it a go |
| 05:13.06 | anom01y | why is it that when I run alsa force-reload, and then kmix, I get different mixer settings every time |
| 05:13.13 | judaz | wilsonsamm: i did.. a sound played.. wooow |
| 05:13.21 | wilsonsamm | yeah? |
| 05:13.34 | wilsonsamm | edit your ~/.xinitrc |
| 05:13.42 | judaz | wilsonsamm: yep.. but sounds still does not work |
| 05:13.55 | wilsonsamm | oh |
| 05:14.36 | judaz | hehe |
| 05:14.36 | wilsonsamm | have you read the esd documentation? |
| 05:15.10 | wilsonsamm | i don't have the man page for it since I don't need to be using it |
| 05:15.30 | judaz | mmmm |
| 05:15.37 | judaz | man sais its kind of run and use |
| 05:16.34 | wilsonsamm | hmm |
| 05:19.29 | judaz | hehe |
| 05:19.30 | judaz | it worked! |
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| 05:19.37 | judaz | something was missing |
| 05:19.41 | judaz | i installed kcontrol... |
| 05:19.47 | judaz | and now works |
| 05:19.48 | judaz | :P |
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| 05:22.47 | judaz | ok.. sleep time |
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| 06:55.12 | Moult | in konsole i see things like shell sessions and bookmarks, what are they? |
| 06:56.33 | seemant | wow |
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| 07:02.36 | Moult | ok another question (still don't know what are sessions) |
| 07:02.51 | Moult | what is the use of activites when zooming out of your desktop in kde 4.1? |
| 07:06.01 | Shirakawasuna | does anyone here know of a general guide for coding a kwin deco? The best I can find is for kde 3.2. |
| 07:07.02 | luke-jr | Shirakawasuna: you might ask smileaf-- he's in #anime once in a while |
| 07:07.29 | Shirakawasuna | cool, I will |
| 07:07.38 | Shirakawasuna | aww, no luck |
| 07:07.40 | fessio | Moult, activities are like virtual desktops where you can put different sets of plasmoids for doing different tasks |
| 07:08.05 | Moult | fessio: but without changing what windows are open? |
| 07:09.03 | Shirakawasuna | hmm, the techbase says the 3.2 guide is the thing to use |
| 07:09.04 | Shirakawasuna | scary :) |
| 07:09.27 | fessio | yep |
| 07:11.55 | Moult | fessio: at the moment i don't think there is enough plasmoids that i can actually say "these are the ones which help me for working, here for playing, here for something else, etc" - i think that's the main reason activites are not used by me |
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| 08:04.47 | mit | how do i add something to "session"[gnome] so it starts as i log in? |
| 08:04.58 | mit | i'm on kde4.1 |
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| 08:07.07 | MPS_ | hi |
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| 08:18.02 | cojones_ | hey all, is there a way to keep KDE's menu and GNOME's menu separate? |
| 08:18.13 | cojones_ | when both are installed, things get a bit unorganized |
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| 09:28.04 | nikolavp | hello i am using Debian with KDE 4.1.1 and i was hoping to get okular finally working with chm files but it doesn't |
| 09:28.21 | pinotree | what is the problem? |
| 09:28.22 | nikolavp | i installed libchm1 but it still doesn't open the file |
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| 09:28.44 | nikolavp | if i use kchmviewer there are no problems |
| 09:29.11 | pinotree | doesn't it say anything like "there are no backends for the file type"? |
| 09:29.24 | nikolavp | no |
| 09:29.29 | nikolavp | the banckend should be libchm1 |
| 09:29.32 | ewomer | hello im having problems running 'kdesu dolphin' could not start process, cannot talk to klauncher. the name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by any .service files |
| 09:29.34 | pinotree | nope |
| 09:29.36 | nikolavp | as the website states |
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| 09:29.46 | nikolavp | http://okular.kde.org/formats.php |
| 09:29.58 | ewomer | should i gui login as root once to fix this |
| 09:30.01 | pinotree | that's not the backend, but the library used by the backend |
| 09:30.38 | nikolavp | ewomer: try kdesudo |
| 09:30.39 | pinotree | install the okular-extra-backends package, and it should be ok |
| 09:30.50 | ewomer | there is a kdesudo |
| 09:30.54 | nikolavp | i am just installing them thanks pinotree, will check it |
| 09:31.05 | ewomer | i changed kdesu to use sudo |
| 09:31.46 | ewomer | there is no kdesudo |
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| 09:32.16 | nikolavp | pinotree: it does nothing :p |
| 09:32.27 | pinotree | kbuildsycoca4 |
| 09:32.35 | nikolavp | and if i click on review or something it crashes |
| 09:33.00 | nikolavp | ah sorry it oppened it :) |
| 09:33.11 | nikolavp | should have just waited some more ;) |
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| 09:37.26 | ewomer | this is the actual command kdesu "dolphin %i" |
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| 09:39.29 | ewomer | also the scroll bar disapears after when running the menu some times |
| 09:40.28 | nikolavp | ewomer: just use kdesudo dolphin . |
| 09:40.30 | nikolavp | that's all |
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| 09:41.23 | kriko | I'm trying to get KDE4.1 effects on an older ATI card, can someone help me. |
| 09:41.23 | kriko | I'm stuck here: direct rendering: No |
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| 09:42.04 | kriko | but glxgears works.... |
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| 09:42.25 | ewomer | there is no kdesudo |
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| 09:42.47 | ewomer | kdesudo: command not found |
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| 09:42.59 | kriko | ewomer: kdesu |
| 09:43.04 | kriko | use tab |
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| 09:43.31 | ewomer | that is the problem |
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| 09:43.57 | nikolavp | ewomer: what is your distro |
| 09:44.06 | ewomer | gentoo |
| 09:44.34 | nikolavp | eix -Ss kdesudo :? |
| 09:44.38 | nikolavp | there should a package there |
| 09:44.56 | ewomer | no matchs found |
| 09:45.16 | ewomer | there is a kdesu but no kdesudo |
| 09:45.25 | nikolavp | oh |
| 09:45.29 | nikolavp | they don't have a package for that ;) |
| 09:45.31 | nikolavp | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41963 |
| 09:45.42 | nikolavp | switched to Debian, sorry |
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| 09:46.11 | dkoszela | hello |
| 09:46.29 | dkoszela | anyone know the map command in grub shell? |
| 09:47.10 | pinotree | dkoszela: ##linux please |
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| 09:49.06 | ewomer | Development of kdesudo stopped nearly two years ago. I don't think this can go in portage... |
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| 09:49.49 | ewomer | is kdesudo for 4.1.1 |
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| 09:50.29 | ewomer | ill probly need to put the ebuild into my local portage tree |
| 09:50.38 | ewomer | well overlay |
| 09:50.54 | nikolavp | ewomer: hmm |
| 09:51.05 | Jucato | ewomer: Kubuntu "revived" kdesudo and is using it extensively |
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| 09:51.39 | nikolavp | ewomer: it seems the last ebuild is from < 1 month |
| 09:51.40 | ewomer | theres an ebuild for it but its not in portage |
| 09:51.40 | nikolavp | so it is doesn't seems dead to me :p |
| 09:51.57 | nikolavp | well make a local repo |
| 09:51.57 | ewomer | i was getting a head of my self |
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| 09:52.04 | nikolavp | many things are not in portage. |
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| 09:52.59 | ewomer | all i have to do is copy the ebuild to /usr/local/portage/app-admin/kdesudo and rebuild the digest |
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| 09:54.50 | nikolavp | sort of |
| 09:55.24 | nikolavp | though you don't have support for that and no auto updates so it is ugly if you don't have free/spare time. |
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| 09:56.25 | ewomer | i have to rewrite the ebuild for the 3.x series |
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| 10:16.46 | haakonn_ | i have recently switched to kde4 from kde3. one of the major pains is that i don't know how i can tell the automounter where i want my removable disks' mountpoints to be. in kde3 i could open a dialog and put in /media/foo for a specific disk, and that disk would from then on be mounted there. with kde4 i have no control and i have to fiddle with stupid symlinks if i want a static path to the files on the disk. is there any solution to this? |
| 10:18.40 | ewomer | where is kde-config and is there a replacement for it in 4.1.1 |
| 10:19.02 | annma | kde4-config |
| 10:19.08 | annma | for kde4 |
| 10:20.15 | ewomer | duh |
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| 10:23.50 | Half-Left | haakonn_: I dont understand, does your device mount? |
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| 10:26.44 | haakonn_ | Half-Left: it mounts, but to a mount-point i don't want. the mounter starts at /media/disk, then /media/disk-1, /media-disk-2 etc. i just want my device at /media/foo (for example), not something the mounter generates |
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| 10:27.04 | haakonn_ | so now i'm fiddling with making /media/foo a symlink to /media/disk-2 or whatever it uses today |
| 10:27.25 | Half-Left | Pretty sure thats not a KDE4 issue |
| 10:27.53 | haakonn_ | well, in kde3 there was a field where i could put in whatever mount point i wanted, i can't find this in kde4 |
| 10:28.24 | haakonn_ | perhaps i could do something with fstab, but that would be a step backwards |
| 10:28.28 | Half-Left | Well that was KDE3 |
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| 10:29.23 | Half-Left | What distro? |
| 10:29.30 | ewomer | whos incharge of kdesudo because i need a link to src that has ./configure in it |
| 10:29.34 | haakonn_ | this is kubuntu with their debs |
| 10:30.16 | Half-Left | haakonn_: Pretty sure I seen a bug in there about that with Kubuntu/Ubuntu, if names device like that when it shouldn't |
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| 10:30.34 | Half-Left | You'll have to ask your distro channel |
| 10:30.41 | haakonn_ | oh, interesting |
| 10:30.47 | haakonn_ | will do |
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| 10:34.43 | Half-Left | haakonn_: Remember it's not the DE that gives device names when mounting :p |
| 10:35.11 | haakonn_ | Half-Left: well it's *something* ultimately invoked by me through the DE ;) |
| 10:35.29 | Half-Left | It's called HAL |
| 10:35.40 | haakonn_ | right |
| 10:36.00 | Half-Left | The DE then see it |
| 10:36.05 | Half-Left | see's |
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| 10:39.10 | Half-Left | haakonn_: Udev gives it the name, HAL controls it |
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| 10:40.42 | Half-Left | Well that two do anyway :) |
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| 10:54.51 | ewomer | why isnt kdesudo part of kde |
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| 10:55.42 | kriko | Window content is b0rked with latest kwin |
| 10:55.44 | kriko | even on ATI |
| 10:57.25 | Nigromante | hi |
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| 11:02.03 | cael | is there an alternative to knemo for kde4 which shows network-connections in systray? |
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| 11:10.39 | ewomer | hello i installed kdesudo and i get kdesudo(10127): Couldn't start knotify from knotify4.desktop: "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/kde/4.1/bin/knotify4'." while running in a su enviroment |
| 11:11.50 | Stalafin | kmail and kwallet - the integration of the two doesnt seem to work properly; when scanning for new emails kmail doesn't prompt kwallet for the passwords; i have to give it manually |
| 11:12.36 | J-23 | hmm, I'm trying to configure my project in KDevelop, but KDevelop doesn't allow me to create project files in dir that already exits |
| 11:13.05 | J-23 | and I want to have SVN repo in directory which is project directory subdir |
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| 11:17.52 | J-23 | Is is possible to change repository path before creating a project? |
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| 11:20.52 | Cybertinus | hi |
| 11:21.37 | Cybertinus | I'm using KDE 4.1.1 on Gentoo ~amd64 |
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| 11:21.59 | Cybertinus | Now I'm writhing a little script for Konversation which shows the track MPD is playing |
| 11:22.13 | Cybertinus | Konversation is still a KDE 3.5 application |
| 11:22.36 | Cybertinus | Now I got some wierd output in my script which I can't really explain |
| 11:22.38 | Sho_ | (The media script shipped with Konversation 1.1 includes MPD support) |
| 11:22.49 | Cybertinus | I was wondering if anyone here could help me with it |
| 11:23.00 | Cybertinus | the script and the output can be found here: http://pastebin.com/d3c77aa2b |
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| 11:23.49 | Sho_ | Cybertinus: Any reason the bundles script doesn't float your boat? |
| 11:23.52 | Sho_ | *bundled |
| 11:24.14 | Cybertinus | Sho_: I didn't know that the media script had MPD support |
| 11:24.19 | Cybertinus | but it doesn't work |
| 11:24.26 | Cybertinus | I don't get any output |
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| 11:24.52 | Sho_ | I don't have MPD myself, sorry |
| 11:25.00 | Sho_ | But there haven't been bug reports about it |
| 11:25.25 | Cybertinus | the script worked also fine in KDE 3.5.9 |
| 11:25.35 | Cybertinus | I'm using Konversation 1.1 :) |
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| 11:54.27 | Walzmyn | in KOrganizer - KDE4 - how do you make the claendar start on Sunday |
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| 11:56.26 | annma | Walzmyn: this is done system wide in System Settings I think |
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| 12:01.53 | ewomer | kdesudo dolphin %i wont load |
| 12:02.19 | Jucato | what's the %i for? |
| 12:02.40 | ewomer | <unknown program name>(25338)/: KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server |
| 12:03.00 | ewomer | i dont know its part of the original line in the menu |
| 12:03.37 | ziggy | anyone know the status of panel-hiding? |
| 12:03.53 | ewomer | how do i restart the dbus |
| 12:04.34 | Jucato | ziggy: it's in trunk already (will be in 4.2) |
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| 12:05.12 | Jucato | Walzmyn: just in case you haven't found it yet, System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Time & Date tab |
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| 12:05.39 | ewomer | restarting the bebus didnt fix the issue |
| 12:05.44 | ewomer | *dbus |
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| 12:07.10 | ewomer | kdesudo kwrite cannot connect to x server |
| 12:08.15 | brain0 | eh, killing your dbus is probably a bad idea |
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| 12:13.35 | ewomer | would moving the .kde4 from my user home to /root fix some issues or open security holes |
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| 12:15.14 | Walzmyn | Jucato, i've got it set in KDE - it's KOraginizer i need to get set |
| 12:18.05 | Jucato | Walzmyn: yes that's where it's set. if you didn't notice the popup when you clicked on apply, it says that changes will only affect newly started apps |
| 12:18.08 | Jucato | so restart korganizer |
| 12:18.35 | Walzmyn | I set that weeks ago |
| 12:18.52 | Jucato | weird.. it works here |
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| 12:19.13 | Walzmyn | hmm, i'm using KDE3 and running Kontact-KDE4 |
| 12:19.14 | Walzmyn | think that'd affect it? |
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| 12:19.19 | ewomer | im going down for a reboot |
| 12:19.39 | Jucato | er.. yes. you should set it in KDE 4's System Settings |
| 12:20.08 | Jucato | KDE 3 settings do not affect KDE 4 apps, and vice versa |
| 12:20.35 | Walzmyn | ah-ha, i didn't realize I had a KDE4 system settings application |
| 12:20.41 | Walzmyn | feels like an idiot |
| 12:21.04 | annma | [13:56] <annma> Walzmyn: this is done system wide in System Settings I think |
| 12:21.09 | Jucato | KDE 3 doesn't have a System Settings, unless you're using Kubuntu |
| 12:21.18 | Jucato | annma: could be confusing if he's using Kububu |
| 12:21.20 | Jucato | er.. Kubuntu |
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| 12:21.31 | Jucato | they both have System Settings in 3 and 4 there |
| 12:21.53 | annma | I assumed he used kDE4 as he did not prcise |
| 12:22.06 | Walzmyn | ah, that is better, thanks guys |
| 12:22.17 | Walzmyn | yes, i'm using kubuntu |
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| 12:22.44 | Walzmyn | I just got Kontant-KDE4 because the calendar was so much easier to read |
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| 12:24.49 | ewomer | hello i have this issue runing kdesudo dolphin and kwrite http://pastebin.com/d60d4bfa3 |
| 12:25.35 | annma | ewomer: distro? |
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| 12:26.46 | ewomer | gentoo |
| 12:27.24 | annma | did you ask in #gentoo and try the forums? |
| 12:27.30 | ewomer | yes |
| 12:27.48 | ewomer | i tried in gentoo-kde |
| 12:28.51 | ewomer | if i do xhost - i can get to dolphin but it locks up if with xhist + it gives me the messages at pastebin |
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| 12:31.53 | ewomer | there is no X*.hosts file |
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| 12:55.36 | ewomer | is there a way to get kde4 setup for root without loging in |
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| 12:56.04 | annma | it is setup for root |
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| 12:58.01 | ewomer | i mean the .kde and .kde4.1 |
| 12:58.29 | nio | Hi |
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| 13:00.20 | szymon_g | hi |
| 13:00.47 | annma | .kde4.1??? |
| 13:01.35 | annma | root works well in normal distros ewomer, I think you have some settings to do which is the point of Gentoo |
| 13:01.42 | ewomer | on gentoo with the migration to kde4.1 there is a link from .kde4.1 to .kde |
| 13:02.13 | annma | booh |
| 13:02.18 | annma | links are bad |
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| 13:02.43 | annma | no need to use links when you have env vars |
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| 13:05.47 | ewomer | http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/386703-kdesu-dolphin-problem.html |
| 13:06.06 | szymon_g | i've got a problem with icons in kde 3.5.4 :/ |
| 13:06.33 | annma | szymon_g: tell us more please |
| 13:06.35 | opensourcecat | on my ati x700 plasma (4.1.1) sometime freeze and does not refresh the image (clock is freezed) until i move the mouse |
| 13:06.39 | szymon_g | just look on it http://id.wklej.org/s/17732 despite i choose to use a bluecurve theme, it still uses standard one |
| 13:06.51 | opensourcecat | have someone experienced thath? |
| 13:07.43 | szymon_g | in one window i have some icons (for folders) from bluecurve and some from crystal theme |
| 13:07.49 | opensourcecat | i think it's a matter of adding some option to xorg.conf but don't know what! |
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| 13:08.09 | pinotree | szymon_g: where did you get the icon theme from? |
| 13:08.23 | Jucato | szymon_g: is that bluecurve icon theme specifically packaged for KDE 3? |
| 13:08.23 | szymon_g | its standard one from centos dvd |
| 13:08.40 | szymon_g | yes, i think it is specify for kde |
| 13:08.40 | Jucato | then I doubt it |
| 13:08.45 | pinotree | unless it is done specifically for kde3, it won't work |
| 13:08.45 | Jucato | hmm |
| 13:09.53 | szymon_g | :/ |
| 13:10.33 | Jucato | szymon_g: try to look in kde-look.org for a bluecurve icon theme for kde 3 |
| 13:12.45 | szymon_g | o, i think i found good one :> |
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| 13:36.22 | termite47384 | anyone have any idea how I can enable strigi? I checked the button in system settings, but it doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 13:37.37 | termite47384 | and running strigdaemon from the command line gives WARNING: field 'http://strigi.sf.net/ontologies/0.9#debugParseError' is not defined in any rdfs ontology database. |
| 13:37.38 | termite47384 | Unknown backend type: sopranobackend |
| 13:39.32 | annma | termite47384: check you have clucene |
| 13:39.39 | termite47384 | I do |
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| 13:42.01 | annma | what distro? |
| 13:43.02 | termite47384 | gentoo |
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| 13:52.02 | cael | termite47384: I've got the same problem ... strigi not running ... using gentoo kde 4.1.1 from the overlay |
| 13:52.15 | cael | termite47384: please tell me if you find a solution ^^ |
| 13:53.18 | cael | how can I configure widgets to only show on the dashboard and not on the desktop (like in osx)? |
| 13:53.51 | annma | ask support in gentoo channel for strigi |
| 13:54.05 | termite47384 | annma: already have |
| 13:54.11 | annma | I once debugged build with Gentoo people |
| 13:54.22 | annma | termite47384: and? |
| 13:54.34 | termite47384 | no one has any idea |
| 13:54.37 | annma | overlay channel? |
| 13:54.41 | termite47384 | yep |
| 13:54.43 | annma | in overlay channel? |
| 13:54.46 | annma | ah bah |
| 13:54.58 | annma | the guys were very helpful when I worked with them |
| 13:55.20 | termite47384 | yep, they generally are |
| 13:55.25 | annma | maybe there is a problem again |
| 13:55.30 | cael | strigidaemon gives me: Unknown backend type: sopranobackend |
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| 13:55.38 | annma | what clucene version do you have? |
| 13:55.48 | termite47384 | well, strigidaemon runs as root....but I think I'm suppose to be able to run it as a user |
| 13:55.59 | termite47384 | 0.9.20 |
| 13:56.04 | annma | ah as root |
| 13:56.07 | darkskiez | how can i disable the screensaver whilst playing video, is there something similar to xscreensaver-command -deactivate |
| 13:56.09 | annma | typically Gentoo |
| 13:56.21 | termite47384 | :P |
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| 13:56.37 | annma | so it's nothing to do with kde probably |
| 13:56.45 | annma | I build KDE and install as my user |
| 13:56.53 | annma | I'm never root |
| 13:57.03 | annma | that's how we do it in KDE mainly |
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| 13:57.28 | termite47384 | um, no. In most distros, people do installations with root priveleges |
| 13:57.55 | cael | isn't that a disadvantage on a multiuser system, when everyone installs his own kde4? isn't it redundancy? |
| 13:58.06 | annma | termite47384: I mean that's how we build it from svn |
| 13:58.15 | annma | as to compare with gentoo |
| 13:58.28 | termite47384 | meh, that won't make a difference |
| 13:58.33 | annma | do you have multi users cael |
| 13:58.56 | zsz | how do I make ktorrent remember it's window size? If I maximize the window, then minimize it, the window size is reset to it's default size |
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| 13:59.41 | cael | annma: me not ... but in university this strategy would aweful fail :-) |
| 13:59.45 | annma | anyway just to say that I don't know about this permission issue termite47384 and cael |
| 13:59.49 | zsz | by "minimize" I mean sending ktorrent to systray |
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| 13:59.56 | annma | cael: we talk about normal users here |
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| 14:00.09 | cael | a few thousand students x kde4 installation = overhead ... a lot of |
| 14:00.29 | annma | enterprizes deployments will use kde3 anyway |
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| 14:02.16 | termite47384 | cael: try http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233323 |
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| 14:03.09 | termite47384 | cael: works here |
| 14:03.41 | cael | termite47384: did you just remove that file? |
| 14:04.07 | termite47384 | no, look at the last comment |
| 14:04.16 | termite47384 | (well, second to last now) |
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| 14:05.49 | cael | termite47384: now I get: strigi.FamListener.init: Error during FAM initialization |
| 14:05.52 | cael | termite47384: :-( |
| 14:06.15 | termite47384 | no idea |
| 14:07.59 | cael | how can I check if strigi is working? |
| 14:10.11 | termite47384 | strigiclient |
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| 14:11.31 | cael | could not create reader /home/schafi/.strigi/clucene: Lock obtain timed out |
| 14:11.34 | cael | grrrrr |
| 14:11.46 | cael | what's clucene? |
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| 14:11.53 | termite47384 | that's the indexing backend |
| 14:11.58 | cael | ah ok |
| 14:12.08 | cael | I'll try the latest version of clucene and strigi |
| 14:12.11 | cael | perhaps that workd |
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| 14:13.34 | termite47384 | something is still wrong...it's taking 90% cpu for ages to index my home dir... |
| 14:13.51 | tuxick | sounds like ide ;p |
| 14:15.21 | cael | termite47384: I read that strigi is quite "hungry" ... perhaps it's normal that it takes so long |
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| 14:16.42 | termite47384 | I doubt it |
| 14:16.55 | termite47384 | strigiclient is showing something weird too |
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| 14:17.27 | cael | yeah ... I have the same problems ... strigiclient is showing me, that it indexed -1 files ^^ |
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| 14:17.49 | annma | lol |
| 14:17.57 | ruphy | hello annma |
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| 14:19.16 | annma | hmmm strigi is not optimized indeed |
| 14:19.21 | annma | god!!! |
| 14:19.30 | ruphy | isn't it? |
| 14:19.34 | ruphy | annma: storage space? |
| 14:19.49 | ruphy | annma: what backend are you using? |
| 14:19.50 | annma | taht's awful, my home is nearly empty and it hogs CPU |
| 14:19.57 | ruphy | hah |
| 14:20.01 | ruphy | I imagine you're using redland |
| 14:20.08 | annma | I imagine too |
| 14:20.13 | annma | but what is to be used |
| 14:20.15 | ruphy | that's the problem |
| 14:20.19 | ruphy | is completely unusable |
| 14:20.26 | termite47384 | sesame2, but it doesn't work here |
| 14:20.27 | ruphy | they're probably going to kill it |
| 14:20.28 | annma | if redland is not good he needs to drop it |
| 14:20.29 | ruphy | annma: switch to sesame 2 |
| 14:20.40 | annma | what is sesame 2 |
| 14:20.55 | ruphy | annma: another backend, much much better |
| 14:21.08 | annma | ruphy: you'll work with drf later today I heard |
| 14:21.18 | ruphy | annma: for my whole home, except source files (~26k file) it's a 150MB index |
| 14:21.29 | ruphy | and I can't notice it indexing |
| 14:21.35 | ruphy | so it's really freaking fast |
| 14:21.40 | annma | cool I'll rebuild with sesame |
| 14:21.52 | ruphy | annma: you should be able to compile it with kdesupport, check that your JAVA_HOME is set |
| 14:21.58 | ruphy | else I know, it's unusable =) |
| 14:22.04 | ruphy | they should make it default |
| 14:22.07 | annma | java, hmm |
| 14:22.08 | ruphy | and kill redland |
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| 14:22.19 | ruphy | annma: it works with any version of java, even the free one |
| 14:22.26 | ruphy | it uses simple java features |
| 14:22.26 | annma | it's at 87MB and not stoping |
| 14:22.37 | ruphy | annma: killall -9 strigidaemon :P |
| 14:22.43 | termite47384 | annma: where is that index file? |
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| 14:22.46 | annma | it's a new laptop and I am not sure I even have a java on it |
| 14:22.48 | ruphy | annma: and yes, I'm going to meet drf__ in a couple of hours |
| 14:22.59 | annma | ruphy: :) |
| 14:23.01 | drf__ | ruphy: :D |
| 14:23.05 | annma | a very nice guy |
| 14:23.11 | annma | hey you're there!!! |
| 14:23.17 | termite47384 | ruphy: when I try to compile without redland but with sesame2, it gives warnings that it can't find dependencies |
| 14:23.21 | termite47384 | what am I missing? |
| 14:23.21 | drf__ | ruphy: ah, we are already using sesame :) you just need to install jre & jdk ;) |
| 14:23.32 | ruphy | drf__: oh! finally! |
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| 14:24.08 | ruphy | installs jdk |
| 14:24.09 | ebdomino | rou / hello |
| 14:24.19 | ruphy | termite47384: weird |
| 14:24.33 | ruphy | termite47384: JAVA_HOME is set? check if CMake sees it |
| 14:24.47 | ruphy | and don't care about installing redland |
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| 14:24.54 | ruphy | sesame2 is automatically picked if it's found |
| 14:25.01 | drf__ | ruphy: it was already there :D we found that out yesterday... it gets autoenabled if java is found... arch people are smarter than I thought :DD |
| 14:25.04 | annma | I wonder if strigi is not indexing its index file |
| 14:25.10 | annma | and so on |
| 14:25.11 | ruphy | drf__: ooo :D |
| 14:25.19 | Half-Left | Needs a newe wireless card and not some cheap crap this time |
| 14:25.27 | ruphy | annma: I don't think, it's just redland that it's plain unusable |
| 14:25.39 | termite47384 | yep, JAVA_HOME is set to /etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm |
| 14:25.41 | annma | well it indexes . files |
| 14:25.52 | annma | what else would it find in my home |
| 14:26.07 | termite47384 | where is that file (that's growing large, annma)? |
| 14:26.25 | annma | termite47384: I don't know, I look at strigiclient |
| 14:26.39 | annma | it's in a cofig location somewhere |
| 14:26.55 | ruphy | .strigi |
| 14:26.56 | termite47384 | index file 0mb, unique words indexed -1 |
| 14:27.02 | termite47384 | gah |
| 14:27.10 | ruphy | termite47384: ok, CMake says that is being found? |
| 14:27.15 | annma | termite47384: 197M .* |
| 14:27.26 | termite47384 | cmake says it's not being found |
| 14:27.41 | ruphy | annma: kill it, it will just hog your CPU and waste your space |
| 14:27.59 | annma | I was testing it following termite47384 problems |
| 14:28.15 | annma | I'll talk to trueg about it |
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| 14:28.20 | annma | this is insane |
| 14:28.28 | cael | I just decided that I don't need indexing services ^^ |
| 14:28.50 | annma | cael: lol indeed me neither |
| 14:29.03 | annma | however this has to be put right for kde 4.2 |
| 14:29.15 | ruphy | yeah |
| 14:29.22 | ruphy | it works extemely well with sesame2 |
| 14:29.35 | ruphy | I only knew it when trueg told me about it |
| 14:29.41 | ruphy | it's really another experience |
| 14:29.50 | Half-Left | I had the same issue, just couldn't get it to see java |
| 14:29.51 | ruphy | takes fractions of the time and of CPU |
| 14:29.55 | ruphy | you really can't notice |
| 14:29.59 | annma | maybe it's jos I have to talk to |
| 14:30.03 | ruphy | Half-Left: rm CMakeCache.txt? |
| 14:30.07 | Half-Left | yep |
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| 14:30.10 | ruphy | annma: nah, probably trueg |
| 14:30.22 | annma | ok thanks for the info ruphy |
| 14:30.30 | annma | you're quite sane today btw ;) |
| 14:30.36 | ruphy | :D |
| 14:30.36 | annma | runs |
| 14:30.52 | termite47384 | ruphy: WARNING: No Soprano backends will be compiled due to missing dependencies! |
| 14:30.53 | termite47384 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.07 | annma | my distro doe snot have any sesame |
| 14:31.10 | ruphy | termite47384: check what it says about java |
| 14:31.30 | annma | openrdf |
| 14:31.35 | termite47384 | could not find java jni |
| 14:31.40 | ruphy | haha |
| 14:31.46 | annma | not openrdf |
| 14:31.47 | ruphy | install the missing packages |
| 14:31.54 | termite47384 | what missing packages? |
| 14:31.57 | ruphy | termite47384: jre and jdk should do it |
| 14:32.02 | ruphy | then export JAVA_HOME |
| 14:32.02 | termite47384 | I'm running icedtea |
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| 14:32.06 | ruphy | ok |
| 14:32.14 | ruphy | icedtea should work fine |
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| 14:32.29 | ruphy | still wonders why these packages are packaged, given that java is now open source |
| 14:32.30 | ruphy | however |
| 14:32.36 | ruphy | (sun-java I mean) |
| 14:32.42 | termite47384 | I have jdk and jre 1.6.0 and |
| 14:32.44 | termite47384 | -and |
| 14:32.51 | ruphy | after you've exported it and everything, rm CMakeCache.txt |
| 14:33.02 | ruphy | run cmake again and cross fingers! |
| 14:33.08 | termite47384 | rm that from where? |
| 14:33.15 | ruphy | builddir |
| 14:33.19 | termite47384 | I'm on gentoo, that stuff gets deleted automagically |
| 14:33.34 | ruphy | hmm |
| 14:33.36 | ruphy | ebuild bug? |
| 14:33.42 | ruphy | export JAVA_HOME anyways |
| 14:33.47 | ruphy | and try if it works |
| 14:33.52 | termite47384 | JAVA_HOME=/etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm |
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| 14:34.22 | ruphy | dunno, I don't remember what value it should have ;-) |
| 14:35.01 | termite47384 | that directory exists |
| 14:35.41 | ruphy | #strigi, if it doesn't work that way, I can't really help more |
| 14:35.53 | ruphy | talked with the nepomuk guys at akademy, and with helio, they wanted something purely c++ at the beginning, but now they're considering to kill it because users get angry else, and say it's strigi/nepomuk fault :-) |
| 14:35.57 | ruphy | annma: ^ |
| 14:36.22 | annma | oh OK |
| 14:36.26 | ruphy | annma: if you want to help, push them again to do that, so that they'll do it soon hopefully |
| 14:36.38 | annma | I will |
| 14:36.43 | ruphy | good, thanks =) |
| 14:36.46 | termite47384 | oh ffs, I found the ebuild bug |
| 14:36.56 | annma | ah termite47384 |
| 14:37.03 | annma | nice! |
| 14:37.09 | cael | termite47384: bug of strigi? |
| 14:37.11 | ruphy | thinks that probably no backend at all is better than redland if there's no java available |
| 14:37.27 | ruphy | at least until we find a better one, or rewrite sesame2 in C++ |
| 14:37.28 | termite47384 | cael: yes |
| 14:37.39 | ruphy | which won't gain almost anything performance wise |
| 14:37.49 | ruphy | but will be nicer on distros |
| 14:37.54 | termite47384 | cael: are you using 4.1.1 from the overlay? |
| 14:38.01 | cael | termite47384: yes |
| 14:38.44 | termite47384 | ok, if you remove all references to the java use flag from the ebuild and redigest, it will work |
| 14:39.31 | annma | termite47384: be sure to pass that to Gentoo overlay devels |
| 14:39.37 | termite47384 | yep, just did |
| 14:39.38 | annma | zlin: ping |
| 14:39.43 | annma | OK excellent |
| 14:39.58 | zsz | how can I view the articles of a feed in akregator-1.3.1? Clicking on a feed displays the description of the feed (but no articles), double click allows me to change the name of the feed |
| 14:40.06 | Half-Left | ahhh, finally picks up Java |
| 14:41.05 | ruphy | great termite47384 =) |
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| 14:41.31 | cael | termite47384: which strigi version did you install? 0.5.11 or the svn 9999 version? |
| 14:41.58 | termite47384 | still doesn't work....exactly the same behavior, but now the cpu time is split between nepomuk and strigidaemon |
| 14:42.23 | termite47384 | and strigiclient still gives 0mb and -1 unique words indexed |
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| 14:42.44 | cael | termite47384: do you have any errors in console while running strigi? |
| 14:43.01 | amikrop | I installed kxmame. Now, where can I find ROMs for the games, in order to play them? |
| 14:43.28 | ruphy | termite47384: :D |
| 14:43.31 | ruphy | termite47384: be sure to restart them |
| 14:43.49 | ruphy | termite47384: and if you have KDE > 4.1, rm $(which strigidaemon) ;-) |
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| 14:44.07 | termite47384 | remove strigidaemon? |
| 14:44.12 | termite47384 | I have 4.1.1 |
| 14:44.18 | ruphy | then don't |
| 14:44.25 | ruphy | but restart them |
| 14:44.28 | termite47384 | they've all been restarted |
| 14:44.30 | zlin | annma: pong? |
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| 14:45.06 | ruphy | termite47384: weird. I can't help you now though because I have to go in a little bit, continue to ask here or #strigi |
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| 14:45.11 | ruphy | termite47384: oh, wait |
| 14:45.13 | termite47384 | and on the command line, it gave huge amount of indexing messages, then stopped, so it looks to be done...we'll see |
| 14:45.17 | termite47384 | ruphy: ya? |
| 14:45.22 | ruphy | termite47384: it might be normally converting the database |
| 14:45.23 | annma | zlin: an ebuild problem |
| 14:45.29 | ruphy | from redland format to sesame2 =) |
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| 14:45.39 | zlin | ok |
| 14:45.45 | termite47384 | na, I deleted the .strigi folder |
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| 14:47.42 | cael | how can I query the strigi database to test it? |
| 14:48.56 | ruphy | cael: there's a runner and some stuff in playground |
| 14:49.29 | termite47384 | bah, playground... |
| 14:49.39 | termite47384 | does nothing tie into it in 4.1.1? |
| 14:49.56 | termite47384 | so you're telling this was entirely pointless, as one can't use the database? |
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| 14:50.55 | cael | when I query with krunner I get a "Speicherzugriffsfehler" (german translation for segmentation fault) |
| 14:51.13 | termite47384 | cael: how do you query with krunner? |
| 14:51.33 | cael | termite47384: I just entered a name of an indexed file |
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| 14:51.42 | cael | termite47384: indexing works for me now |
| 14:52.15 | cael | termite47384: try the symlink hint in the gentoo bug note (and modify it if you don't use 64 libs) |
| 14:52.41 | termite47384 | cael: does strigiclient show indexing? |
| 14:53.13 | cael | termite47384: yes "Documents indexed: 6732" |
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| 14:53.21 | cael | Index size 3 mb |
| 14:53.22 | termite47384 | dammit, mine doesn't |
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| 14:54.08 | cael | I deleted the .strigi folder, used the symlink hint and removed all folders from indexing in strigiclient ... then I added 1 testfolder and it worked |
| 14:54.34 | termite47384 | ok, one sec |
| 14:55.11 | termite47384 | works now...weird |
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| 14:55.40 | termite47384 | wait...npo |
| 14:55.41 | termite47384 | no |
| 14:55.44 | termite47384 | argh |
| 14:56.03 | cael | termite47384: IT WORKS!!! even searching is working now!!! |
| 14:56.27 | termite47384 | ok, if I disable nepomuk in system settings, it seems to work...this is bizarre |
| 14:56.51 | annma | cael: what about CPU? |
| 14:56.55 | cael | ahh that could be a hint, too ... I didn't compile with semantic-desktop |
| 14:57.22 | cael | 0% cpu when I don't search |
| 14:57.30 | annma | and when you do? |
| 14:57.31 | termite47384 | cael: how are you searching? |
| 14:58.13 | cael | I searched with <Alt> +F2 (krunner) and entered a email address that is in a readme.txt which was indexed |
| 14:58.28 | cael | and it showed me that the email address is in that file |
| 14:58.51 | termite47384 | without any prefix? just alt-f2, email address? |
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| 14:59.12 | cael | yes |
| 14:59.20 | cael | AH you have to enable sesam |
| 14:59.27 | termite47384 | in what? |
| 14:59.48 | cael | press alt + f2 and click on the "toolbox" icon on the left of krunner |
| 14:59.57 | cael | theres a list with search engines |
| 15:00.02 | cael | on the bottom is sesam |
| 15:00.06 | termite47384 | xesam |
| 15:00.07 | termite47384 | ? |
| 15:00.10 | cael | yes |
| 15:00.22 | cael | on my installation it was disabled by default |
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| 15:01.00 | cael | then restart strigidaemon |
| 15:01.07 | amikrop | I installed kxmame. Now, where can I find ROMs for the games, in order to play them? |
| 15:01.26 | mikesd | I'm confused w/ KDE4-kweather. For some reason it won't give me any weather data... |
| 15:01.30 | annma | amikrop: google? |
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| 15:01.47 | cael | amikrop: perhaps there are some free games out there int the web |
| 15:01.49 | Half-Left | amikrop: Yer, right as if someone will tell you that |
| 15:03.07 | cael | termite47384: which version of strigi do you use? |
| 15:04.55 | termite47384 | 0.5.9 |
| 15:05.14 | amikrop | ok |
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| 15:05.22 | cael | termite47384: I use 0.5.11 |
| 15:05.30 | cael | termite47384: perhaps that's a prob |
| 15:05.45 | termite47384 | actually, no, it's the same |
| 15:05.50 | termite47384 | 0.5.11 |
| 15:06.00 | cael | termite47384: ah sorry 0.5.11 of strigidaemon |
| 15:06.21 | termite47384 | brb, going to restart kde, somehting is driving me nuts |
| 15:06.32 | cael | does strigiclient still show you "0 files indexed"? |
| 15:06.41 | termite47384 | on and off |
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| 15:13.14 | Half-Left | Ugh, Phonon dont compile with latest xine in kdesupport |
| 15:13.48 | sandsmark | I thought the problem was that it needed the latest xine, which amarok (1) doesn't compile against... |
| 15:14.19 | Half-Left | http://pastebin.com/m6dcb4509 |
| 15:14.36 | Half-Left | kdesupport trunk, kde4.1.1 |
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| 15:14.48 | termite47384 | I'm giving up. Strigi stays disabled |
| 15:14.58 | sandsmark | Half-Left: that's a bug in xine |
| 15:15.00 | annma | Half-Left: not sure you can mix kdesupport and kde branch |
| 15:15.13 | sandsmark | Half-Left: please update your xine |
| 15:15.24 | sandsmark | it's a one line fix, but still =) |
| 15:15.28 | Half-Left | sandsmark: I have the latest stable |
| 15:15.39 | sandsmark | Half-Left: not good enough, then =) |
| 15:15.56 | sandsmark | I know the arch devs backported the patch |
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| 15:16.19 | Half-Left | This maybe why Amarok crashes then |
| 15:16.22 | sandsmark | Half-Left: http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/xine-lib/repos/extra-i686/xine-header.patch?view=markup |
| 15:16.38 | sandsmark | I think that should solve it |
| 15:17.55 | Half-Left | May as well wait for Xine 1.1.16 then |
| 15:18.15 | sandsmark | meh, just edit the header file =) |
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| 15:19.40 | Half-Left | What header file? |
| 15:19.52 | Half-Left | oh the buffer .h |
| 15:20.24 | sandsmark | yes, just add those __'s, and it should build nicely |
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| 15:22.09 | Half-Left | You mean -static inline _x_is_fourcc(void *ptr, void *tag) { |
| 15:22.56 | sandsmark | prepend inline with two underlines |
| 15:23.59 | pinotree | well, it misses the return value... |
| 15:24.31 | Half-Left | __ |
| 15:24.34 | Half-Left | that it? |
| 15:24.36 | Half-Left | lol |
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| 15:24.59 | Half-Left | static __inline _x_is_fourcc(void *ptr, void *tag) { |
| 15:25.07 | Half-Left | ^ that correct now? |
| 15:25.12 | pinotree | no |
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| 15:28.20 | Half-Left | I see, isee |
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| 15:29.21 | Half-Left | wow, I'm glad I dont code, I'll stick with graphics thanks :p |
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| 15:30.16 | sandsmark | pinotree: doesn't it just default to void? |
| 15:30.31 | pinotree | no |
| 15:30.48 | pinotree | actually, i'm not sure about pure C code, but if it would, it would be int |
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| 15:31.30 | sandsmark | well, that works for me, so... =) |
| 15:33.23 | Half-Left | annma: So updating kdesupport from trunk with 4.1.1 = bad? |
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| 15:34.00 | annma | I did not follow recent threads as I was away but I think it's bad yes |
| 15:34.13 | Half-Left | ok |
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| 15:35.18 | Kenjiro | good afternoon |
| 15:35.58 | sofiane | good afternoon everybody |
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| 15:37.04 | Kenjiro | someone, from this channel, told me it was possible to change what kfind uses to search for files |
| 15:37.16 | Kenjiro | for instance, I was thinking of using slocate |
| 15:37.24 | Kenjiro | but then, where do I change that? |
| 15:38.36 | Kenjiro | because kfind is slow to find things, by default |
| 15:38.39 | Kenjiro | (just like 'find') |
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| 15:40.32 | Half-Left | sandsmark: Do you programmers just not like optimizing or something? |
| 15:40.46 | sandsmark | Half-Left: I'm not a programmer =) |
| 15:40.52 | Half-Left | oh :p |
| 15:40.54 | sandsmark | or, not in that sense, yet, anyway == |
| 15:40.56 | sandsmark | *=) |
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| 15:42.31 | Kenjiro | well, perhaps I should resort to beagle then :( |
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| 15:50.21 | Kenjiro | does anyone know how to make kfind use slocate? |
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| 15:54.54 | Silmarillion | anybody knows possible reasons for plasmoids properly installed is not showing in add widget list? Trying about multirow taskmanager, but cannot find it... Have tried to logout and in again and I can see in my package-manager (running kubuntu) that it is installed... Any suggestions? |
| 15:55.22 | sandsmark | Silmarillion: are you sure it is installed in the right place? |
| 15:55.38 | Silmarillion | just installed the .deb package from kde-looks... |
| 15:57.58 | Silmarillion | seems to be installed in /usr/lib/kde4 which is correct I think |
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| 16:03.07 | szakulec_ | I deleted my bottom panel, and now that I've decided I want it back, I can't figure out how to re-create the original panel layout |
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| 16:05.54 | Half-Left | szakulec_: KDE version? |
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| 16:06.36 | szakulec_ | 4.1.1 |
| 16:06.58 | Half-Left | Right click desktop, Add Panel? |
| 16:07.02 | szakulec_ | I have |
| 16:07.23 | Half-Left | And? |
| 16:07.47 | szakulec_ | but when I go to add things, they have outrageously large boxes around them that make everything widely spaced apart |
| 16:08.15 | szakulec_ | the system try applet has at least 2x the actual size in blank space |
| 16:08.29 | szakulec_ | and I can't resize them down short of shrinking the entire panel |
| 16:08.35 | Half-Left | Screenshot? |
| 16:08.57 | szakulec_ | you can put screenshots on pastebin, or stick with imageshack? |
| 16:09.10 | Half-Left | imageshack is fine |
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| 16:14.35 | fengshaun | is kdelibs able to build today? anyone tried to build it today? |
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| 16:18.03 | pinotree | fengshaun: what is the problem? |
| 16:18.23 | fengshaun | build error with no hint on what is wrong |
| 16:18.25 | szakulec_ | http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=panelproblemie0.png |
| 16:19.06 | pinotree | fengshaun: what about pasting it in a pastebin? |
| 16:19.14 | fengshaun | pinotree: yup, just a sec! |
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| 16:20.44 | Madtree | Is the 'standalone menubar' feature available on kde 4.1.1, i can't find any config menu for this ? |
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| 16:21.57 | Half-Left | szakulec_: I see, what happens when you re add it? |
| 16:22.24 | fengshaun | pinotree: http://fpaste.org/paste/5809 |
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| 16:23.05 | pinotree | fengshaun: you must use strigi from trunk, not strigi 0.5.x |
| 16:23.23 | szakulec_ | Half-Left: so remove and re-add the applet? |
| 16:23.37 | fengshaun | pinotree: I'm using kdesvn-build |
| 16:23.51 | Half-Left | szakulec_: Try that yes |
| 16:24.15 | pinotree | fengshaun: and? |
| 16:24.32 | fengshaun | pinotree: ummm so I compile strigi by hand? |
| 16:24.41 | pinotree | yes |
| 16:25.15 | fengshaun | pinotree: ok, thanks! |
| 16:27.13 | szakulec_ | Half-Left: sadly it doesn't seem to change anything- it fills all the available space, and only shrinks when you add another applet to the panel |
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| 16:28.23 | Half-Left | szakulec_: Make a new pannel from scratch and add the system tray last at the end |
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| 16:28.51 | szakulec_ | can I just remove the panel, or should I remove everything from the panel first? |
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| 16:29.28 | Half-Left | I see you have no task manager in the bar |
| 16:29.34 | szakulec_ | indeed |
| 16:29.46 | szakulec_ | I have to use alt-tab to access everything |
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| 16:30.22 | Half-Left | szakulec_: One sec, that me try and reproduce it |
| 16:30.40 | fengshaun_ | pinotree, strigi is part of kdesupport which I built from trunk! |
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| 16:31.30 | trops | anyone can connect in msn server with kopete? I'm using trunk version of kopete |
| 16:32.55 | Half-Left | szakulec_: Maybe a limitation of the panel |
| 16:33.50 | szakulec_ | that may be, but when it was first installed as a package from the kubuntu people, everything seemed to work correctly |
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| 16:35.22 | Half-Left | hmmm |
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| 17:19.53 | TimS | Does ~.thumbnails belong to knoqueror? |
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| 17:20.06 | szakulec_ | Half-Left: I figured it out- or at least, it works well enough for me |
| 17:20.19 | Half-Left | :) |
| 17:20.23 | TimS | Its taking up 500mb, I was wondering if it was safe to clear, it has thumbnails of hundreds of old files I have long since deleted |
| 17:20.29 | szakulec_ | the task manager was the missing applet |
| 17:20.45 | Half-Left | TimS: it's just cache so yes |
| 17:20.53 | szakulec_ | and I never noticed that the battery monitor was its own applet, and not just part of the systray |
| 17:20.53 | TimS | Also, does looking at the thumbnails of files in ~.thumbnails create new thumbnails of those thumbnails? If you understand me :p |
| 17:22.13 | Half-Left | It gets updated yes |
| 17:22.43 | Half-Left | you delete them it generates new thumbnails |
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| 17:23.00 | TimS | Okay. |
| 17:23.07 | TimS | But do you get my second question? |
| 17:23.55 | Half-Left | They are the same thing so yes |
| 17:24.00 | TimS | If I went into the folder .thumbnails and viewed the thumnails of those files using konqueror, would they be regenerated as seperate files to the orgional ones? Because that would become recursive. |
| 17:24.39 | Half-Left | lets say you didn't have any pictures, then that folder would be blank |
| 17:24.48 | TimS | No, I understand taht. |
| 17:25.05 | TimS | Say I have one photo, I go to the folder with that photo, and it creates a thumbnail. |
| 17:25.13 | TimS | So now, .thumbnails has one file. |
| 17:25.35 | TimS | If I go into .thumnails will it create a thumbnail of that one file, making two files? |
| 17:25.52 | Half-Left | no one |
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| 17:26.22 | TimS | So, will it create a thumnail of the thumnail, or does it just display files smaller than a certain sizer rather than thumbnail them? |
| 17:26.37 | TimS | Oh, I think I see. |
| 17:27.02 | TimS | It must just display it if its under a set size. Or it doesn't cache the thumbnails of photos in ~.thumbnails. |
| 17:27.04 | TimS | No worries :p |
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| 17:28.09 | Half-Left | TimS: The question to end all questions I think |
| 17:28.23 | TimS | Indded :p |
| 17:28.46 | TimS | I just tried it out, looked at one photo and went to .thumnails to see what happened :p |
| 17:28.54 | TimS | I should just get less photos |
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| 17:29.51 | Half-Left | Well it only generates them if you use preview as I understand but I'm not sure |
| 17:30.20 | TimS | Yeah I guess |
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| 17:31.19 | Half-Left | Liek any cache, it's usually not huge or take up much space compared to what it's caching |
| 17:32.41 | Half-Left | stops babbling |
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| 17:39.03 | msulyaev | Hi, I am experiencing strange behaviour of KDE 4.0.5 on Fedora9 on a pretty ancient notebook. |
| 17:39.33 | cael | is strigi automatically indexing new files when I copy them into a folder, monitored by strigi? |
| 17:39.33 | msulyaev | If I switch windows with M-Tab too fast, it hangs. |
| 17:40.08 | thiago_home | msulyaev: upgrade to 4.1 |
| 17:40.40 | msulyaev | And the only remendy I've found would be good for Windows, not for Linux: I pug out and bacm in my USB mouse. |
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| 17:42.42 | msulyaev | thiago_home: known issue? great, thanks, but I'll ways till it appears in Fedora updates... you know they'll test it for me... |
| 17:42.55 | thiago_home | I have no idea if it's a known issue or fixed |
| 17:43.02 | thiago_home | but upgrade to 4.1 anyways |
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| 17:44.14 | msulyaev | ok, thanks anyway |
| 17:44.24 | RLa | hey, my file icons tend to appear onto desktop with small delay, i have to go directly into ~/Desktop to see them, kde version is 3.5.9 |
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| 17:44.50 | RLa | anyone else noticed that strange behavour? |
| 17:45.09 | RLa | pressing F5 on desktop does not help |
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| 17:45.46 | aseigo | RLa: probably the dir watch isn't getting updated instantly. would have to do with the file update mechanism used by your system and the kde build |
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| 17:46.38 | RLa | but shouldn't explicit desktop refresh force update? |
| 17:46.47 | cael | is strigi automatically indexing new files when I copy them into a folder, monitored by strigi? |
| 17:47.01 | aseigo | RLa: i don't remember that code tbh... would have to look |
| 17:47.07 | aseigo | cael: supposed to |
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| 17:48.23 | mateo | hi |
| 17:48.26 | master_alvaro | hi |
| 17:48.30 | master_alvaro | ;-) |
| 17:49.18 | mateo | could anyone say why after kde installation xorg is giving me error message that startkde could not be found? |
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| 17:49.55 | mateo | im using gentoo linux |
| 17:50.12 | ewomer | why do you say dont delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4.1 |
| 17:50.25 | ewomer | mateo, whats up im using gentoo too |
| 17:50.36 | pinotree | mateo: probably an half-done installation, you should ask in #gentoo-kde, not here |
| 17:51.03 | ewomer | i thought kde was kde |
| 17:51.06 | mateo | ewomer: i just emerged KDE but xorg is telling me that startkde command is missing |
| 17:51.16 | mateo | pinotree: ok thx |
| 17:52.15 | ewomer | mateo, /join #gentoo-kde4-live or /join #gentoo-kde depends on weather you used an overlay or straight portage |
| 17:52.23 | volty | is there a procedure to transfer all settings or just copy .kde folders (have to copy from gentoo's to fresh new kubuntu) |
| 17:52.55 | RLa | volty, i just copy over my whole home folder :) |
| 17:53.06 | RLa | works extremely well |
| 17:53.07 | mateo | ewomer: straight portage |
| 17:53.32 | ewomer | m /join #gentoo-kde |
| 17:53.39 | RichiH | would any of those packages being 4.1.0 prohibit me from logging in? http://pastebin.com/f6cd6ef1d |
| 17:53.39 | volty | RLa: i can't the entire, so copying just .kde should work well |
| 17:53.45 | ewomer | minus the m of corse |
| 17:54.06 | RLa | for kde, yes, but i do not know about mails, depends where kmail keeps them |
| 17:54.06 | mateo | just did but it seems that anyone is dead :o |
| 17:54.13 | volty | any program for cleaning .kde dir ? (it growed quite a lot) |
| 17:54.40 | RLa | volty, you should check out what you have there |
| 17:55.02 | volty | i can manage it, i'm going to setup extra for shared data |
| 17:55.02 | RichiH | I have upgraded KDE from 4.1.0 to 4.1.1 on Debian unstable using experimental debs. Now, when I log in, I can enter my password etc in KDM and it loads a little bit, but never gets to the splash screen.. |
| 17:55.17 | RichiH | i.e. i don't have a working X system, atm |
| 17:56.11 | mateo | startkde command can be found in kdebase, right? |
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| 18:04.09 | RichiH | does kde4 keep a logfile that is written to during login? |
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| 18:04.29 | jmonreal | is it there a kde4 brainstorm? |
| 18:04.42 | jmonreal | or a place where users may give their opinions? |
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| 18:06.47 | mateo | i'm gonna freak out if this gentoo installation fails :( |
| 18:07.25 | angasule | makes some popcorn |
| 18:08.10 | mateo | needs some popcorn :D |
| 18:08.28 | angasule | well, I was just getting ready to watch you freak out, but sure, have some |
| 18:08.35 | bonsaikitten | throws a Ubuntu CD at mateo |
| 18:08.38 | bonsaikitten | mwahaha. |
| 18:09.04 | angasule | Kubuntu :P |
| 18:09.21 | mateo | oh thank you |
| 18:09.28 | RichiH | http://pastebin.com/f536770b7 is my .xsession-errors and looks OK |
| 18:09.39 | angasule | so what's a good place to discuss dolphin? |
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| 18:19.27 | sabocat | is there any way to turn off autoplay in KDE4? |
| 18:19.55 | annma | autoplay in what app? |
| 18:20.01 | sabocat | amarok |
| 18:20.05 | sabocat | 1.4 |
| 18:20.21 | annma | did you look in the settings? |
| 18:20.57 | sabocat | yes |
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| 18:25.46 | mateo | my problem have been solved :D |
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| 18:41.47 | gionny | why in KDE4.x there aren't anymore the services menus for Konqueror/Dolphin to create archives or extract archives? (right click -> Actions) |
| 18:42.08 | thiago_home | because ark is still not fully ported |
| 18:42.12 | gionny | will they be added again, or should I just create my own? |
| 18:42.19 | gionny | oh, I see... so they were using ark |
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| 18:42.41 | gionny | I thought that they were just using the terminal commands |
| 18:42.44 | gionny | thanks thiago_home |
| 18:42.45 | thiago_home | no, ark |
| 18:43.07 | enderst | any way to get the middle click on desktop to list open windows like was default with 3.x? |
| 18:43.16 | gionny | so that makes sense, thanks thiago_home |
| 18:43.39 | thiago_home | enderst: not without adding the feature to Plasma |
| 18:44.14 | enderst | thiago_home: how would i do that? |
| 18:44.28 | enderst | is there some sort of plasma setting for that? |
| 18:44.38 | gionny | afaik, KDE 4.2 will provide a "KDE 3.x style" desktop too, that you can use it instead of plasma... maybe with that there will be again? |
| 18:44.40 | thiago_home | get the source code, write the feature, send to other developers for review |
| 18:44.56 | enderst | hehe |
| 18:45.09 | thiago_home | gionny: I haven't heard anything about that |
| 18:45.16 | thiago_home | gionny: if no one adds the feature, it won't be there |
| 18:46.24 | gionny | thiago_home: oh, I see... mine was just a supposition. Is it true that there will be a sort of "KDE 3.x style" desktop on kde 4.2? |
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| 18:47.05 | gionny | I mean... a desktop that just shows the ~/Desktop directory and nothing more... that's what I read |
| 18:47.19 | gionny | I don't know if there will be that feature, though, for the middle mouse click |
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| 18:48.47 | thiago_home | gionny: 20:45 < thiago_home> gionny: I haven't heard anything about that |
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| 18:49.58 | haakonn_ | wow. the alt-f2 is not a calculator anymore in kde4? weak |
| 18:50.30 | enderst | change it |
| 18:51.01 | gionny | thiago_home: ok :) I am quite sure that I read it, thought... they want to let the user choose between using the plasma desktop or an "old style" desktop, so that everybody can have what he/she wants |
| 18:51.34 | gionny | haakonn_: just do: =your expression |
| 18:51.42 | gionny | haakonn_: with = as first character... |
| 18:51.52 | haakonn_ | gionny: ah, great, thanks :) |
| 18:52.10 | gionny | haakonn_: np |
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| 18:54.29 | thiago_home | gionny: it's still plasma. |
| 18:54.35 | thiago_home | haakonn_: it is. |
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| 18:56.53 | haakonn_ | thiago_home: yeah, so i learned :) |
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| 18:58.13 | cweiske | Hello. I'm using Akregator since quite some time now, but it became awfully slow on my dual core macbook now. It has nearly 20.000 messages now and takes ~5 seconds to select and display a message |
| 18:58.36 | cweiske | Is there a way to speed things up without trashing all messages? |
| 18:59.06 | sbeyer | thinks thrashing is wise... but I'm just another Akregator user ;) |
| 18:59.57 | sbeyer | and it isn't slow here, except when I try to display the "All Feeds" superfolder |
| 19:00.55 | cweiske | it's slow when I display any folder with many messages (5000, heise.de) and "unread filter" |
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| 19:01.34 | junkDawgie | i'm impressed you have the time to read that many, cweiske..... |
| 19:01.47 | sbeyer | cweiske: heise.de is pretty fast here |
| 19:01.48 | cweiske | it has been collected over several months/years :) |
| 19:01.58 | sbeyer | ah, mine are all "read" ;-) |
| 19:02.06 | cweiske | most of mine are read, too |
| 19:02.12 | cweiske | but it was still slow |
| 19:02.20 | sbeyer | Planet Debian and some git repo Feeds have unread articles, but everything else is read here |
| 19:02.24 | sbeyer | hmm |
| 19:02.26 | cweiske | now I trashed heise, golem, telepolis and pro-liux |
| 19:02.30 | cweiske | 15000 messages away |
| 19:02.34 | cweiske | and fast again |
| 19:02.49 | cweiske | shame that there isn't a trash-all button |
| 19:02.59 | sbeyer | cweiske: I cannot even see how many articles I have |
| 19:03.03 | cweiske | neither a "select all messages" hotkey/button |
| 19:03.08 | cweiske | sbeyer, mark all |
| 19:03.09 | cweiske | click remove |
| 19:03.16 | cweiske | and the confirmation message tells you |
| 19:03.23 | sbeyer | 13000 in heise |
| 19:03.26 | junkDawgie | could you not export the articles? |
| 19:03.28 | cweiske | hm |
| 19:03.40 | cweiske | what would I gain from exporting? |
| 19:04.17 | sbeyer | hmm, I think I should activate a function (I bet it exists) that very old articles are removed automatically |
| 19:04.37 | sbeyer | yes, it exists ;) Settings -> Configure -> Archive |
| 19:04.41 | junkDawgie | don't know.... you saved them for a reason.....export and index with strigi could be useful |
| 19:04.45 | cweiske | exporting only generates an opml file |
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| 19:05.18 | cweiske | ok, I activated archiving |
| 19:05.21 | junkDawgie | whoops.... guess that idea is wrong |
| 19:05.21 | cweiske | thanks for the hint |
| 19:06.36 | sbeyer | cweiske: and if you want to keep some article, you should mark it as important so that it does not get deleted |
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| 19:06.53 | sbeyer | cweiske: (if you have the "Keep important articles" option set) |
| 19:07.08 | cweiske | after restarting akregator with archiving activated it seems to hang |
| 19:07.10 | cweiske | no cpu usage |
| 19:07.13 | sbeyer | ouch |
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| 19:07.15 | sbeyer | ;) |
| 19:07.22 | cweiske | pgrep tells me it's still there |
| 19:07.22 | sbeyer | never quits it... |
| 19:07.33 | cweiske | but it's not visible |
| 19:07.35 | cweiske | yeah |
| 19:07.44 | sbeyer | :) |
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| 19:08.21 | cweiske | killing + second start helped |
| 19:08.50 | cweiske | seems archiving is the way to go |
| 19:09.21 | cweiske | btw, is there a way to use "rotating" or animated icons in akregator for feeds that are being fetched? |
| 19:09.28 | cweiske | instead of the greyed out ones? |
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| 19:10.48 | cweiske | ok, leaving |
| 19:10.52 | cweiske | sbeyer, thanks |
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| 19:50.05 | bbelt16ag1 | hi peeps |
| 19:50.40 | junkDawgie | pretty slow in here, bb... but welcome |
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| 19:51.17 | bbelt16ag1 | I was wondering if the background changer in kde3.5 is recursive and goes into directories |
| 19:53.57 | NamShub | how can i disable desktop effect *before* entering kde session (i cant see anything...) |
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| 19:56.55 | HighHo | NamShub: its in the kwin config file i think |
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| 19:59.53 | HighHo | NamShub: ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc edit the section "Compositing" |
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| 20:02.43 | NamShub | thanks |
| 20:02.59 | gkiagia | hm, I just logged into kde 4.1.1 and akregator has two systemtray icons (but one akregator instance). does anybody else have that? |
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| 20:04.21 | junkDawgie | haven't seen that gkiagia, i use 4.1.1 too... but don't run akreg much |
| 20:04.40 | junkDawgie | sounds more like a plasmoid problem |
| 20:04.46 | junkDawgie | double whammy |
| 20:04.51 | gkiagia | that's the fist time I see that |
| 20:04.58 | gkiagia | no I don't think so, because both icons work |
| 20:05.13 | junkDawgie | shrugs |
| 20:05.36 | gkiagia | that's what I thought when I saw them... |
| 20:05.55 | gkiagia | the systemtray applet is known to have many artifacts... |
| 20:06.01 | gkiagia | but not like this! |
| 20:07.02 | junkDawgie | knotify bug? |
| 20:07.26 | gkiagia | hm, I tried to read an article, it didn't mark it as read |
| 20:07.37 | gkiagia | and manually specifying it as read, crashed akregator |
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| 20:08.07 | junkDawgie | did you update Akreg to the most recent version for 4.1.1? |
| 20:08.27 | gkiagia | yes |
| 20:08.47 | junkDawgie | maybe downgrade? |
| 20:08.59 | junkDawgie | might tell you something |
| 20:09.24 | gkiagia | well, I reopened akregator and it doesn't have this bug |
| 20:09.36 | gkiagia | I suspect this might have to do with session saving |
| 20:10.05 | junkDawgie | lol... overall kde4 has lost a lot of bugs... but..... |
| 20:10.27 | gkiagia | I'll try to logout/login in a few minutes again to see what happens |
| 20:10.38 | gkiagia | this might be reproducable... |
| 20:10.49 | junkDawgie | should be |
| 20:11.11 | gkiagia | infact this is the second time I log in to KDE 4.1.1 after the upgrade |
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| 20:11.25 | titou | under KDE 4 i cannot lock the screen |
| 20:11.30 | titou | what i need to install to lock it? |
| 20:11.50 | junkDawgie | a plasmoid maybe? |
| 20:12.01 | titou | (the message is "no external module available" |
| 20:12.15 | titou | or something like that (i haven't it in english) |
| 20:12.31 | junkDawgie | there is a shutdown/lock plasmoid... i use it |
| 20:12.38 | junkDawgie | so i know it exists |
| 20:13.00 | titou | do you have its name? |
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| 20:13.41 | gkiagia | no plasmoid is needed. locking is done by krunner |
| 20:14.22 | titou | ok |
| 20:14.24 | titou | i have it |
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| 20:14.47 | titou | but if i understood, it seems there is not application to unlock it |
| 20:14.52 | titou | no* |
| 20:16.02 | gkiagia | do you have the krunner_lock executable in the libexec directory ? (you can find that directory with kde4-config --path libexec) |
| 20:16.29 | titou | got it |
| 20:17.07 | titou | but like i said, the message said that the locking is not the problem |
| 20:17.26 | titou | it's if the screen is locked, it would be impossible to unlock it since something is missing |
| 20:17.46 | gkiagia | so tell us the scenario, you press lock screen and the screen locks, and then you can't unlock it? |
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| 20:17.59 | junkDawgie | bummer |
| 20:18.02 | titou | no |
| 20:18.38 | titou | i press lock screen and i have a message which tells me that the screen won't be locked since it would be impossible for me to unlock me because a component is missing |
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| 20:18.49 | titou | s/me/it |
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| 20:19.25 | gkiagia | hmm... I think I know what it is, but I don't remember the name |
| 20:19.43 | titou | :-( |
| 20:19.43 | SSJ_GZ | kcheckpass? |
| 20:20.19 | gkiagia | yes, kcheckpass |
| 20:20.31 | titou | i have it.. |
| 20:20.41 | gkiagia | titou: what permissions does it have? |
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| 20:24.13 | gkiagia | titou: also, what if you try to logout and login again? does the problem persist? |
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| 20:33.53 | Zvezdichko | hello, folks, today I successfully compiled KDE 4.1 from source (Trunk). Do you have any idea why the version of the KDE looks strange? |
| 20:33.53 | Zvezdichko | http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slackwaresnapshotseptemnh7.png |
| 20:34.00 | Zvezdichko | what is this 4.1.65? |
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| 20:35.32 | thiago_home | the what will be 4.2 |
| 20:35.42 | thiago_home | i.e. trunk |
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| 20:38.22 | Zvezdichko | thiago_home, does that mean that i have installed an unstable version? |
| 20:39.03 | thiago_home | yes |
| 20:39.07 | thiago_home | you installed trunk |
| 20:40.02 | Zvezdichko | That's strange. I thought that trunk contains KDE 4.1.1 or the version which comes later :) |
| 20:40.17 | Zvezdichko | so... i'm mistaken here... |
| 20:40.33 | cb400f | yup |
| 20:42.10 | Zvezdichko | I hope you don't laugh at me :) I didn't like my precompiled binaries for Slackware and SuSE and I was very angry at my vendors, so I followed the instructions on the website at KDE to compile my own KDE... |
| 20:43.25 | junkDawgie | thats a noble gesture, Zvezdichko.... er.. you get "determination points" |
| 20:44.18 | Zvezdichko | sorry, junkDawgie, I didn't understand you well :) |
| 20:44.58 | junkDawgie | np.... just shows you are determined to have KDE the way you want it |
| 20:45.04 | Zvezdichko | I remember that during the last few months I was ranting... i.e. behaved as a troll... when I realised that the problems are not related to the KDE devs, but to the distros :) |
| 20:45.16 | Zvezdichko | I hope you won't see my angry rants :) |
| 20:45.38 | Zvezdichko | when I realised what the situation is, I decided to compile it for myself |
| 20:46.12 | Zvezdichko | it works well, I no longer think it's a failure or a debacle. It has a lot of promising features |
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| 21:02.43 | ebdomino | @+ |
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| 21:10.42 | seemant | now look |
| 21:10.48 | seemant | how do you move the panel to a different edge? |
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| 21:14.31 | ieatcereal | problem, set my background, shows it in the preview, not on the desktop, refreshed, blah blah even restarted the computer |
| 21:14.50 | ieatcereal | still the same old wallpaper with the new one i was showing in the preview |
| 21:14.58 | ieatcereal | want* not was |
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| 21:15.26 | ieatcereal | any ideas would be appreciated |
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| 21:16.32 | Walex | ieatcereal: pour some honey on top of the cereals (thats one idea :->) |
| 21:16.32 | shadewind | hey |
| 21:16.40 | ieatcereal | yer |
| 21:16.42 | shadewind | how can i make Konsole transparency work |
| 21:16.48 | shadewind | it says my desktop doesn't have it |
| 21:16.59 | shadewind | but I have Composite activated |
| 21:17.03 | shadewind | what more do I need? |
| 21:17.04 | ieatcereal | hmm |
| 21:17.08 | Walex | shadewind: which transparency? Fake or real? |
| 21:17.32 | shadewind | Walex: I don't know? real preferrably I guess |
| 21:18.09 | Walex | shadewind: you got a compositing manager and a terminal window that does real transparence? |
| 21:18.34 | shadewind | Walex: now you lost me |
| 21:19.07 | Walex | shadewind: bad news :-). Whatever they are, to do proper transparency you need a compositing manager and a terminal window program that does real transparency. |
| 21:19.24 | shadewind | Walex: well... won't kwin and Konsole do? |
| 21:19.25 | Walex | shadewind: so I take the answer is "no, I don't have them". |
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| 21:19.55 | Walex | shadewind: some versions of Konsole do real transparency. Depends on which KDE version you are using. |
| 21:20.05 | shadewind | Walex: kde4 |
| 21:20.28 | Walex | shadewind: KDE4 should have all that builtin. You need to enable it in the apposite control panel. |
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| 21:21.32 | shadewind | Walex: you don't happen to know what panel that is? |
| 21:21.57 | Walex | shadewind: right click on the titlebar of a window for a direct access. |
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| 21:23.48 | Walex | ha, got a question of my own, a classic: I want to copy my Konqueror toolbar configuration from one user account to another on a different machine. '.../konquerrorrc' does not seem to have it, where is it? |
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| 21:24.07 | atrius | hello everyone |
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| 21:24.25 | atrius | at the risk of asking a question asked a million times.. what's the point of the 'activities'? |
| 21:25.09 | waltercool | whats the best kde voip app?? (only free-software please) |
| 21:25.22 | Walex | atrius: which ones? |
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| 21:26.08 | atrius | Walex: when you hit the 'cashew' looking button in the upper right corner and zoom out.. you're then given the option of "Add Activity" |
| 21:26.14 | atrius | Walex: what's it for? |
| 21:26.59 | Walex | look at a recent Aseigo post or a simple web search. Think of them as "contexts". |
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| 21:28.04 | atrius | Walex: reading... |
| 21:28.15 | Walex | atrius: like each activity is a a mode of work, like online/offline/work/browsing/development. |
| 21:28.35 | Walex | atrius: not quite fully implemented yet. |
| 21:29.30 | atrius | Walex: that seems to be the case.. it struck me as kinda like different desktops at first.. but there didn't seem to be a way to stick windows over on one.. but i could see it as a way to keep plasmoids and the such seperate |
| 21:30.01 | Walex | atrius: the <aseigo> post I was thinking about is: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/09/plasma-context-and-nepomuk.html |
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| 21:30.22 | atrius | Walex: thought that might be the case.. reading it now |
| 21:31.03 | aseigo | huzzah for blogging |
| 21:31.31 | atrius | aseigo: indeed :) |
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| 21:33.08 | BCMM | how can i change my keyboard layout in KDE 4? (please help, i want my hash key back) |
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| 21:33.45 | pinotree | systemsettings â regional & language â keyboard layout |
| 21:33.46 | aseigo | BCMM: there's a systray icon for it.. turn on keyboard layouts in the control center |
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| 21:34.08 | atrius | ah... so you can say: (on a laptop) this context is for when i'm at work.. so set the PC wallpaper, load the work contact list, have kopete connect to the work IM, and make the work type plasmoids visible... and have another context which undoes all that garbage for home use |
| 21:35.25 | BCMM | aseigo, thanks |
| 21:35.25 | atrius | does that pretty much cover it? |
| 21:35.28 | BCMM | just got kde 4 |
| 21:38.17 | aseigo | atrius: that's certainly one use case |
| 21:38.26 | aseigo | atrius: you can also have one context for each project at work |
| 21:38.32 | aseigo | atrius: in fact, we already have people doing exactly that |
| 21:39.14 | atrius | aseigo: wouldn't that consume a fair bit of memory at some point? (depending on what all is running in each context) |
| 21:39.48 | aseigo | atrius: not really |
| 21:40.03 | aseigo | atrius: if might be tight if you're running in 128mb of ram and trying to get work done ;) |
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| 21:40.18 | atrius | aseigo: which would just generally be terrible in any case :) |
| 21:40.36 | aseigo | atrius: but let's face it, plasma on my system.. with debug stuff and a couple of activities, is taking 36mb |
| 21:41.22 | atrius | aseigo: that's not terrible when you factor in all the plasmoids and graphic prettiness |
| 21:41.32 | aseigo | atrius: i just bought my son a new laptop .. got an inexpensive one (~400 euro, CAD$650) ... it comes with 3 GB of ram (!!!) |
| 21:41.41 | atrius | aseigo: damn |
| 21:41.43 | atrius | heheh |
| 21:41.43 | aseigo | atrius: yeah, it's actually pretty good |
| 21:41.59 | aseigo | that number doesn't count x server-side pixmaps |
| 21:42.03 | atrius | true |
| 21:42.07 | aseigo | which will add a few more MB to that due to fullscreen wallpapers |
| 21:42.26 | atrius | is there a keyboard short cut i'm missing which does the zoom out action quicker? or a context switch button? |
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| 21:43.35 | aseigo | atrius: ctrl+wheel mouse for zooming.. forget the keyboard shortcuts for zoom... you can do ctrl+shift-n/p for next previous context.. but the desktop needs keyboard focus (so... click on it; in 4.2 kwin will allow ctrl-tab'ing to it) |
| 21:43.59 | aseigo | atrius: there's also a switcher plasmoid in playground .. and we may end up integrating it with the cashew more directly |
| 21:44.15 | atrius | aseigo: is cashew it's actual name? |
| 21:44.19 | aseigo | uhm. no |
| 21:44.19 | aseigo | toolbox |
| 21:44.25 | aseigo | but cashew kind of stuck. |
| 21:44.32 | atrius | it does rather look like one |
| 21:44.35 | aseigo | (as a casual name) |
| 21:44.45 | aseigo | yeah, "cashew" started as a joke. |
| 21:44.45 | pinotree | aseigo lies, the real name is cashew :P |
| 21:44.53 | aseigo | needs to learn to be more careful with his jokes |
| 21:44.58 | atrius | heheh |
| 21:44.58 | mikearthur | aseigo: Kashew? |
| 21:45.05 | aseigo | mikearthur: doh! =P |
| 21:45.06 | bonsaikitten | Gashew? |
| 21:45.09 | atrius | mikearthur: of course.. heheh |
| 21:45.14 | aseigo | cashews and plasmoids ... *sigh* |
| 21:45.37 | mikearthur | plasmoiks? |
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| 21:45.59 | DaskreecH | Ctrl+tab ? |
| 21:46.02 | atrius | hmmm.... crtl+shift+n/p works... the mouse thing doesn't... |
| 21:46.33 | DaskreecH | aseigo: IRC is dangerous :) |
| 21:46.48 | atrius | DaskreecH: some people say it is teh debil heeh |
| 21:46.56 | titou | gkiagia: sorry for the delay but it's the same |
| 21:47.11 | DaskreecH | atrius: Only those who are right |
| 21:47.14 | titou | i can logout and log in the problem persists |
| 21:47.16 | atrius | DaskreecH: heheh |
| 21:47.22 | gkiagia | titou: no idea then |
| 21:47.39 | atrius | i wonder if a "show all contexts" type button ala' expose` would be useful |
| 21:48.14 | atrius | there also seems to be some strangeness with deleting a context |
| 21:48.30 | titou | where the screensaver is chosen under kde4 ? |
| 21:48.42 | aseigo | titou: in the screensaver control panel in systemsettings |
| 21:48.51 | aseigo | atrius: possibly; you're in 4.1? |
| 21:48.53 | titou | i don't have it.. |
| 21:49.13 | gkiagia | titou: so, that's the missing component...... :D |
| 21:49.15 | aseigo | titou: did you search for "screensaver" in the window? |
| 21:49.15 | atrius | aseigo: i am.. it seems the presence of the 'delete desktop' option is rather.. hmmm.. random :) |
| 21:49.25 | Walex | ha, got a question of my own, a classic: I want to copy my Konqueror toolbar configuration from one user account to another on a different machine. '.../konquerorrc' does not seem to have it, where is it? |
| 21:49.31 | aseigo | titou: it should show you that it is in the Desktop icon |
| 21:49.33 | titou | aseigo: ya there's nothing |
| 21:49.44 | aseigo | Walex: look in share/apps/konqueror |
| 21:49.48 | titou | ok sorry found it ! |
| 21:50.11 | atrius | aseigo: but it'll be more than happy to blow away my primary context.. heheh |
| 21:50.37 | aseigo | atrius: if you have more than one, yes |
| 21:50.59 | atrius | aseigo: however, it doesn't seem to like the idea of nuking the "new" one too much |
| 21:51.19 | Walex | aseigo: ah yes, I should have looked there. |
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| 21:56.23 | DaskreecH | Wow |
| 21:56.30 | DaskreecH | Userbase.kde.org is looking pretty good |
| 21:58.38 | Walex | BTW I think that a lot of recent and not so KDE stuff like activities shoudl really be inside the OS. KDE is turning into a layer on top of the OS that tries hard to work around some pretty fundamental limitations of the underlying OSes. |
| 21:58.55 | atrius | hey.. i got my clock back where it belongs! |
| 21:59.36 | thiago_home | Walex: like? |
| 21:59.58 | Walex | activities, solid, lisa, .... |
| 22:00.11 | thiago_home | lisa!? |
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| 22:00.14 | thiago_home | that's nowhere recent |
| 22:00.17 | thiago_home | that's KDE 2 |
| 22:00.24 | thiago_home | Solid is necessary because |
| 22:00.26 | Walex | well, I said past and present, it is a long term trend. |
| 22:00.29 | thiago_home | 1) HAL is too low-level for us |
| 22:00.34 | thiago_home | 2) HAL isn't cross-platform |
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| 22:01.02 | thiago_home | lisa has been properly replaced with zeroconf and that's at the appropriate level with Avahi |
| 22:01.14 | Walex | thiago_home: yes, yes, but it is sad that one has to put a wrapper on insufficient lower level OS sw. |
| 22:01.30 | DaskreecH | Walex: Well KDE4 is cross OS |
| 22:01.54 | Walex | DaskreecH: yes, cross OS, and those OSes are pretty limited and old fashioned. |
| 22:02.05 | thiago_home | I doubt that FreeBSD developers will accept Linux drivers |
| 22:02.08 | DaskreecH | Walex: So I'm lost. what's your point? :) |
| 22:02.11 | Walex | DaskreecH: as I was saying it should be inside the OS. |
| 22:02.18 | DaskreecH | Walex: WHy? |
| 22:02.21 | thiago_home | or that anyone at Microsoft or Apple will listen to us |
| 22:02.21 | sabocat | how can i pevent amarok 1.4 from autoplaying cds in KDE4? |
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| 22:02.53 | DaskreecH | Walex: Different OSes have differnt priorites so they are not likely to be equal |
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| 22:03.25 | Walex | DaskreecH: the point is that current OSes are pretty limited and putting stuff in KDE is just a workaround and in an ideal world KDE should be about cool apps, not about compensating for the weakness of the udnerlying OS. |
| 22:03.40 | thiago_home | I beg to differ |
| 22:03.45 | thiago_home | KDE is also about Libraries |
| 22:03.49 | thiago_home | we have kick-ass libraries |
| 22:03.59 | thiago_home | and some of them are abstractions of lower-level functionality |
| 22:04.19 | Walex | thiago_home: ah yes, but libraries to do cool apps, ideally not to supply functionality that should be lower level. |
| 22:04.22 | thiago_home | so, no, Phonon and Solid are not necessary-evil projects |
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| 22:04.35 | thiago_home | yes, exactly: libraries to do cool apps |
| 22:04.39 | thiago_home | Phonon and Solid fit that bill |
| 22:04.53 | Walex | thiago_home: consider reimplementing VFS at the application level, which is probably the saddest. |
| 22:05.31 | DaskreecH | ? |
| 22:07.24 | fessio | guys, is there a way to make all the interface smaller in KDE4? |
| 22:07.40 | sandsmark | Walex: uhm, KDE is supposed to be cross platform =) |
| 22:07.41 | fessio | 'cause on my 15.4" screen everything is too ibg :) |
| 22:07.53 | gionny | Walex: KDE is a desktop environment. It is the role of the desktop environment to provide libraries and stuff to let the application for this desktop environment easy to write and inter-operable |
| 22:07.57 | Walex | fessio: check out the DPI. |
| 22:08.30 | Walex | gionny: sandsmark: yes sure, but that means creating in effect a virtual OS on top of the real OS. |
| 22:08.38 | sandsmark | Walex: no? |
| 22:08.46 | sandsmark | Walex: KDE uses everything the native OS supports |
| 22:09.03 | sandsmark | Walex: but it abstracts away some parts, so the application developers don't need to know about the differences |
| 22:09.13 | sandsmark | (on different platforms) |
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| 22:09.52 | sandsmark | Walex: I agree that in an ideal world, everyone would be using Plan9, with total network transparency, etc. but that isn't the case =) |
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| 22:10.47 | Walex | sandsmark: but it is not just net transparency -- it is things like coinfiguring the size of the screen etc. It is very sad. KDE tries hard, but it is a losing proposition. |
| 22:10.57 | sandsmark | Walex: I disagree |
| 22:11.19 | sandsmark | Walex: I think it has just started to get better, with xrandr, at the like |
| 22:11.22 | sandsmark | (on linux, at least) |
| 22:11.48 | DaskreecH | fessio: Well since everyone is playing with KDE on 810 tablets I'd guess yes |
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| 22:12.10 | sandsmark | well, 15.4" isn't exactly small-form |
| 22:12.21 | sandsmark | I have a 15.4" laptop, and it's quite adequate |
| 22:12.23 | Walex | sandsmark: yes, but it is always still trying to implement functionality that should be provided at a lower level. DBMS designers have much the same issue: provide an abstraction layer. |
| 22:12.35 | brain0 | I asked this before but no answer: Is there a way to umount a CD in kde4 without ejecting it? I only see an eject button, no umount button |
| 22:12.42 | sandsmark | Walex: well, eradicating hunger would also be nice, but this isn't a perfect world |
| 22:12.43 | DaskreecH | Walex: What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 22:12.47 | sandsmark | Walex: people work on different stuff |
| 22:13.14 | sandsmark | so; abstract the common stuff, and let them cooperate =) |
| 22:14.59 | fessio | sandsmark: well adequate isn't enough for me ) I want everything to way smaller, e.g. there's to little space in the task manager |
| 22:15.14 | sandsmark | fessio: use two panels =) |
| 22:15.30 | DaskreecH | sandsmark: That doesn't help :) |
| 22:15.36 | fessio | :) |
| 22:15.43 | sandsmark | it does =) |
| 22:15.43 | miki | wow arch looks great with KDE4.1 |
| 22:15.51 | sandsmark | use a dedicated task-manager panel |
| 22:16.12 | sandsmark | though, I think this looks ok too: http://iskrembilen.com/sandsmark/screenshots/okular.png |
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| 22:18.21 | GraveDigger | math på norsk <3 |
| 22:18.29 | GraveDigger | lol, never seen something like this before |
| 22:18.47 | sandsmark | what, okular or discrete maths? =) |
| 22:19.00 | GraveDigger | discrete maths |
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| 22:24.29 | lorena_ | hi all. How can I change the default application for a given mime type? I need to do this system-wide (instead of just for one user) |
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| 22:25.33 | DaskreecH | I dunno I guess Kiosk can do it system wide |
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| 22:29.16 | DaskreecH | Walex: What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 22:29.54 | Walex | sandsmark: "abstract the common stuff, and let them cooperate" ahhh but you see KDE is abstracting things that are not in any underlying OS. It is creating a new virtual OS. |
| 22:30.32 | Walex | DaskreecH: the problem is that putting a new virtual OS layer in KDE in the long term is wrong and will cause trouble, because mapping it reliably on the underlying OSes is very hard. |
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| 22:31.42 | DaskreecH | Walex: Unfortunately we are building for the short term |
| 22:32.09 | DaskreecH | Walex: If you would like to call up Microsoft and Apple and Nokia to deal with the long term you have my support |
| 22:32.18 | Walex | DaskreecH: and that is a good strategy in the short term. I am just feeling sad. |
| 22:33.10 | DaskreecH | Walex: Seriously start a plan to get all OSes to the same technical competence with a simialr API and start drumming up support |
| 22:33.28 | Walex | DaskreecH: the alternative is of course to say "KDE gives you on each platform only what the platform natively supports, plus cool apps". That would be far more reliable, but also far less interestig. |
| 22:34.25 | DaskreecH | That would suck ^_^ |
| 22:35.05 | thiago_home | Walex: we think it's the right choice |
| 22:35.21 | DaskreecH | thiago_home: I think he's agreeing he's just sad that has to be the right choice |
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| 22:35.59 | thiago_home | it's the only choice |
| 22:36.01 | Walex | thiago_home: politically/marketing it is the right choice. Technically and in the long term it will cause trouble. |
| 22:36.06 | thiago_home | no |
| 22:36.11 | thiago_home | it is the right choice technically too |
| 22:37.09 | jonkristian | anyone had trouble with kde messing about with the locale settings? |
| 22:37.29 | thiago_home | KDE doesn't set locale settings |
| 22:37.45 | jonkristian | ok |
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| 22:37.55 | bfrog | is there a way to reorder favorites in kde 4.1 ? |
| 22:39.02 | Kame2 | bfrog: i think, there isn't. |
| 22:39.08 | bfrog | :-( |
| 22:40.12 | bfrog | I removed and readded stuff that works I guess |
| 22:40.23 | Kame2 | jep |
| 22:40.24 | titou | hm it's quite strange |
| 22:40.38 | titou | i have all the kdeartwork screensavers installed |
| 22:40.43 | bfrog | meh, someone will eventually have enough annoyance to ix it |
| 22:40.46 | bfrog | not me though |
| 22:40.47 | bfrog | thanks! |
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| 22:40.50 | titou | and it's not listed in the screensaver configuration panel |
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| 22:40.59 | titou | sorry.. they are not listed.. |
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| 22:42.20 | titou | why that? |
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| 22:44.20 | titou | and khotkeys doesn't work (i'm under KDE 4.1) |
| 22:44.33 | thiago_home | yes, it doesn't |
| 22:44.49 | DaskreecH | snorts |
| 22:45.06 | titou | ok |
| 22:45.15 | titou | and what about my screensaver trouble? |
| 22:46.04 | gkiagia | titou: something is missing, and it's probably the same thing that prevents you from locking the screen... what distro do you use? |
| 22:46.52 | titou | Mandriva in RC |
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| 22:47.28 | huubuh | hello, i fire up KDE andi have no mouse movement, anyone know why that could be? |
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| 22:47.40 | titou | gkiagia: i think it's the same problem.. that's wky i'm trying to find it :) |
| 22:48.36 | titou | i think it doesn't read the good directory to get the screensaver desktop files |
| 22:48.40 | gkiagia | titou: you could ask the mandriva guys, maybe it's a bug in mandriva's packages or you are missing some package |
| 22:48.50 | titou | they are sleeping :( |
| 22:49.13 | gkiagia | well, that's usual :P |
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| 22:49.27 | titou | :-) |
| 22:49.59 | titou | i should do the same but i don't like not solving my problem before going to sleep :) |
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| 22:50.44 | gkiagia | huubuh: that's probably a problem with your xorg |
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| 22:51.49 | Kame2 | when we talk about problem solving bevore sleeping... is there anyone how would commit a patch to solve a scrolling bug in khtml? |
| 22:52.17 | DaskreecH | Kame2: With svn I would guess |
| 22:52.19 | titou | :) |
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| 22:53.36 | Kame2 | would make things easier ;) |
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| 22:54.25 | DaskreecH | Or a magnetized needle and a steady hand |
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| 22:55.07 | WishMasterNND | Hello there, is it a know bug that Akregator doesn't save the selected columns? |
| 22:56.24 | Kame2 | DaskreecH: and physical access to the server ;) |
| 22:57.39 | Kame2 | DaskreecH: mh.. or maybe a butterfly |
| 22:58.17 | WishMasterNND | Oh, and is it also known that KSnapshot crashes when clicking on "Save as" as well as KMail and Kopete crash when using the automatic spellcheck and typing an unknown word? |
| 22:58.47 | WishMasterNND | I'm using the latest snapshot in the OpenSUSe repos: 4.1.64-2.3 |
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| 23:04.31 | RingtailedFox | hiya, KDE! |
| 23:04.47 | RingtailedFox | i have a few questions... what are emerald themes and compiz themes? how do i use them? are they similar to KDE Window Decorations? |
| 23:05.00 | thiago_home | they are compiz stuff |
| 23:05.06 | thiago_home | therefore, non KDE |
| 23:08.34 | DaskreecH | Kame2: Bah WHy bother with the butterfly? I have a keyboard shortcut for that |
| 23:08.54 | DaskreecH | Anyone else having segfaults with the svn ? |
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| 23:09.29 | Kame2 | i get a segfault while cmake is installing kdegraphics... |
| 23:09.37 | Kame2 | for some days now |
| 23:09.41 | DaskreecH | Seems like something is bugged in kdelibs maybe |
| 23:10.12 | Kame2 | i don't think so |
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| 23:10.40 | Kame2 | its while cmake moves the compiled files to the right locations. |
| 23:10.49 | fessio | I compiled kdelibs yesterday without problems |
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| 23:11.11 | fessio | well WITH problems :) but I compiled it |
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| 23:11.34 | DaskreecH | :-) |
| 23:11.45 | Kame2 | have compiled them yesterday and now again (60%) |
| 23:11.56 | Kame2 | no segfault there |
| 23:12.04 | DaskreecH | Kame2: ok tell me if Kapps crash on start up |
| 23:13.20 | Kame2 | the yesterday compiled libs work fine. |
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| 23:19.09 | volty | hi, I have to use two systems (gentoo & kubunto) for a while, is it possible to share the same .kde folder, or at least .kde/share/config folder (or wherever keyboard shortcuts reside) ? |
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| 23:20.06 | BCMM | how do you use dbus to control kde 4 applications from the command line, as you could in 3.5 using dcop? |
| 23:20.29 | Kame2 | BCMM: qdbus is your friend ;) |
| 23:21.49 | BCMM | Kame2, thanks |
| 23:22.40 | DaskreecH | Kame2: 62% ? ;-) |
| 23:22.49 | Kame2 | 100% ;) |
| 23:22.59 | DaskreecH | Groovy |
| 23:23.04 | DaskreecH | I mean Kroovy |
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| 23:26.42 | Kame2 | i have started a full kde session... so i think the libs doesn't have problems ;) |
| 23:26.54 | Kame2 | oh... |
| 23:26.56 | Kame2 | moment |
| 23:27.15 | Kame2 | there are no window-boarders... no kwin... |
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| 23:27.35 | DaskreecH | start konsole |
| 23:27.58 | Kame2 | yakuake is in autostart ;) |
| 23:28.19 | Kame2 | but it doesn't get focus -.- |
| 23:28.48 | Kame2 | the same with konsole |
| 23:28.56 | Kame2 | damn |
| 23:28.56 | BCMM | Kame2, why does it say "No such interface 'org.kde.KApplication' at object path '/MainApplication'"? |
| 23:29.03 | pinotree | of course, it is the window manager that dispatches focus |
| 23:29.10 | DaskreecH | Kame2: Throw something from the Vt to X |
| 23:29.43 | BCMM | Kame2, some of the things listed when i ran "qdbus org.kde.plasma /MainApplication" work like that, but not the ones start with 'org.kde.KApplication' |
| 23:29.56 | Kame2 | i can't.... no ctrl+alt+F1... |
| 23:30.00 | DaskreecH | What? |
| 23:30.09 | DaskreecH | SO X is screwed? |
| 23:30.11 | Kame2 | doesn't work... |
| 23:30.33 | Kame2 | ok |
| 23:30.35 | Kame2 | now |
| 23:31.08 | Kame2 | -.- |
| 23:31.18 | DaskreecH | waits to stop being konfused |
| 23:31.21 | Kame2 | full graphics-freeze |
| 23:31.25 | Kame2 | damn ati |
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| 23:32.30 | DaskreecH | Hmm I thought that it was nVidia currently having issues |
| 23:32.48 | Kame2 | right |
| 23:33.29 | Kame2 | but ati... |
| 23:33.55 | Kame2 | they like to freeze the complete system if you switch between X and vt... |
| 23:35.00 | DaskreecH | Ah That's an interesting prank |
| 23:35.10 | Kame2 | so |
| 23:35.14 | Kame2 | rebooted |
| 23:35.18 | Kame2 | and kwin is there |
| 23:35.37 | DaskreecH | Wheee |
| 23:36.37 | junkDawgie | sometimes you get lucky |
| 23:36.39 | junkDawgie | :) |
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| 23:37.51 | jonkristian | kde IS messing up locale settings, and that's that |
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| 23:38.05 | dbglt | quick question, building kde from source: how do I tell cmake an alternate place to find all of my kde libs? (rather than change 20+ settings with cmake -i)? |
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| 23:38.15 | Kame2 | but kdebase doesn't find automoc for some days now... so i cant update it. anyone else with this? |
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| 23:39.14 | dbglt | Kame2: try add a symlink from automoc4 to automoc |
| 23:39.39 | Kame2 | the problem is, that i have it in /home/kde-devel/... |
| 23:39.47 | Kame2 | und he doesn't search there |
| 23:39.57 | dbglt | Kame2: what doesn't search there? |
| 23:40.01 | Kame2 | cmake |
| 23:40.08 | dbglt | Kame2: heh my problem exactly |
| 23:40.14 | dbglt | Kame2: cmake -i and you can change the settings |
| 23:40.17 | Kame2 | but all other packages work... |
| 23:40.21 | dbglt | Kame2: or CmakeCache.txt |
| 23:40.22 | dbglt | edit it |
| 23:40.30 | dbglt | yeah it uses any installed libs/includes |
| 23:40.42 | dbglt | (ie. system wide) |
| 23:40.44 | dbglt | not sure if there is an easier way to update where cmake looks |
| 23:40.45 | Kame2 | where is CMakeCache.txt located? |
| 23:40.51 | dbglt | Kame2: in kdebase/ |
| 23:41.41 | Kame2 | mh.. but why does it work for all other packages without any problems? |
| 23:42.08 | Jucato | dbglt, Kame2: techbase has a .bashrc which is setup to compile KDE 4 from $HOME. you can use that as an example to see what to do to make cmake look at alternative places other than system folders for libs, includes, etc. |
| 23:42.20 | DaskreecH | waves at Jucato |
| 23:42.29 | Kame2 | i use this bashrc |
| 23:42.38 | Kame2 | and it worked for a long time now |
| 23:42.38 | dbglt | Jucato: that's already in use. It seems to prefer system libs |
| 23:42.43 | Jucato | hello DaskreecH |
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| 23:43.25 | Jucato | dbglt, Kame2: you are using this? http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts/.bashrc |
| 23:43.33 | DaskreecH | Jucato: You are part of the team for userbase.kde.org correct? |
| 23:43.52 | Jucato | DaskreecH: yes |
| 23:44.02 | dbglt | Jucato: I think a more sparse framework. Will try it out. Cheers |
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| 23:44.48 | DaskreecH | Jucato: It looks very good |
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| 23:44.58 | vinnie | How do i get preview thumbnails to work in dolphin ... for movies that is |
| 23:45.02 | Kame2 | Jucato: thats my bashrc ;) |
| 23:45.15 | Jucato | DaskreecH: thanks,but I actually have done little yet on it. so can't take credit |
| 23:45.57 | Kame2 | oh |
| 23:45.59 | Kame2 | no |
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| 23:46.12 | Kame2 | i see, there are two new CMAKE_... Vars |
| 23:46.52 | Jucato | fwiw, I was able to build KDE 4 before without those two |
| 23:48.01 | Jucato | Kame2: does "which automoc4" output the correct automoc? (the one in you $HOME?) |
| 23:48.03 | dbglt | Jucato: yeah, I was up until now. I think something new has been added |
| 23:48.31 | dbglt | (ie. not in 4.1 I have installed) |
| 23:48.46 | Jucato | hm... ok |
| 23:48.52 | DaskreecH | Jucato: will there be polls there? :-) |
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| 23:49.32 | Kame2 | now it works |
| 23:49.34 | Kame2 | thanks |
| 23:49.44 | Jucato | DaskreecH: 1. Why? 2. is MediaWiki capable of polls? |
| 23:50.37 | DaskreecH | Jucato: Like a listing of most overlooked bugs or something. 2. No clue I'll look into it |
| 23:51.47 | Jucato | DaskreecH: that's probably more appropriate for the bugsquad to do *pokes blauzahl-laptop*. but if they want to use userbase for it and mediawiki has that feature, why not? :) |
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| 23:53.19 | DaskreecH | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Poll |
| 23:53.23 | DaskreecH | So it seems it can |
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| 23:55.15 | Jucato | thanks. I'll take note of that (it's an extension so we'll probably have to ask the admins first) |
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| 23:56.42 | zerkms | guys, show any pretty cursor theme? |
| 23:56.43 | zerkms | :-) |
| 23:57.14 | Jucato | zerkms: www.kde-look.org |
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| 23:57.55 | zerkms | Jucato: too much to look :-) i ask about themes u like :-[ |
| 23:58.10 | Kame2 | oxygen ;) |
| 23:58.53 | DaskreecH | yellow Oxygen |
| 23:59.43 | Jucato | Jimmac |
