| 00:00.20 | sbattey | agnitio: I'm also using ubuntu 8.04 with kde 4.1 beta 2 |
| 00:00.56 | agnitio | heh, nope.. now it flickers even worse :) |
| 00:02.14 | agnitio | and the driver still hangs :/ |
| 00:03.51 | agnitio | strange |
| 00:03.57 | agnitio | sbattey: which X version? |
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| 00:10.50 | sbattey | agnitio: I have no vclue |
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| 00:30.05 | agnitio | thanks for your help |
| 00:30.06 | agnitio | time for bed |
| 00:31.59 | sbattey | agnitio: did it work |
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| 00:44.55 | _ZeuZ_ | Hey guys, appart from ~/.kde/Autostart where are startup scripts for all users located? |
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| 00:52.20 | Jucato | _ZeuZ_: http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html |
| 00:54.51 | _ZeuZ_ | lol, thanks, I was trying to locate it through slocate Autostart instead of autostart |
| 00:55.41 | troy | Jucato: you're hosting answers now? :) |
| 00:56.10 | _ZeuZ_ | why some .desktops files in autostart/ from kde3 do not start in kde4? |
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| 01:03.29 | Jucato | _ZeuZ_: could be a couple of reasons. KDE 3 and KDE 4 might not share the same autostart/ location (depending on where they are installed) for one |
| 01:04.10 | _ZeuZ_ | Jucato, then just coping the .desktop to ~/.kde4/Autostart would do, right? |
| 01:04.34 | Jucato | depends. what are you trying to run anyway? |
| 01:06.16 | _ZeuZ_ | a couple of scripts written in python that originally came from ubuntu, but I'm imporing into a non-official release of Slackware for x64, I just found them confortable for powergovernor |
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| 01:06.49 | Jucato | as long as you know what you're doing and you're doing it in your own $HOME, sure why not |
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| 01:07.25 | Jucato | of course, I presume that the programs that the .desktop files point to are installed and can be seen by the KDE 4 user |
| 01:07.45 | _ZeuZ_ | yup, the scripts start normally if I invoke them, so it could work, just asking before I can probably screw things up |
| 01:09.07 | _ZeuZ_ | Lovely! it started at reboot... Thanks Jucato.. |
| 01:09.09 | _ZeuZ_ | Jucato ++ |
| 01:09.20 | _ZeuZ_ | asks: Is there any Karma register in this channel? |
| 01:09.28 | pinotree | no |
| 01:09.47 | _ZeuZ_ | D'ough! |
| 01:10.16 | _ZeuZ_ | offtopic: wicd or network-manager ? |
| 01:10.54 | zarvox | _ZeuZ_: I use NetworkManager |
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| 01:12.09 | zarvox | there's a plasma networkmanager applet in development, right? I know there's a NM Solid backend... |
| 01:12.55 | _ZeuZ_ | zarvox, thing for me is that with my self-compiled kernel, it will just won't work properly (don't ask me why xD I couldn't locate the problem so I turned to wicd) |
| 01:13.41 | zarvox | _ZeuZ_: aww, that's a shame. |
| 01:14.11 | _ZeuZ_ | why would it be a shame? |
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| 01:52.01 | Nyle | what is the dcop command to toggle power management of kde on/off |
| 01:52.10 | Nyle | I tried browse in kdcop but no find anything |
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| 01:53.44 | _ZeuZ_ | Well, I cannot create new icons on my kde4.83 desktop... any idea why? |
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| 01:56.17 | guax | someone here using kde4 with slackware? |
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| 01:58.27 | pacman87 | guax: i tried... |
| 01:58.48 | pacman87 | i still need to get boost working |
| 01:59.10 | _ZeuZ_ | boost? |
| 01:59.12 | guax | pacman87: i had it instaled in a development user, what i realy want is to use kde4 kates but i do like the kde 3 enviroment |
| 01:59.16 | guax | installed |
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| 02:00.00 | guax | im not comfortable for a migration right now, i think kde (at version 4.0.1) its still imature |
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| 02:01.37 | pacman87 | http://pastebin.com/m37f6e20e |
| 02:01.46 | pacman87 | _ZeuZ_: ^^ |
| 02:03.16 | AlexElliott | guax: yep, I do |
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| 02:03.22 | guax | pacman87: http://www.slacky.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6486&Itemid=65 |
| 02:04.13 | AlexElliott | I'd recommend the SlackBuilds.org one for a more "slackware" way of doing things, but at least it's not linuxpackages |
| 02:05.23 | Jucato | also recommend #slackware (or if they have a kde-specific channel) for more specific help |
| 02:05.42 | pacman87 | i was compiling from source |
| 02:05.46 | pacman87 | or at least trying to :\ |
| 02:05.59 | guax | Jucato: its a generic kde compilation question i wonder |
| 02:06.26 | Jucato | guax: depends. you were asking it in the context of doing it in slackware right? |
| 02:06.41 | AlexElliott | I don't like the way boost builds normally, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.1/development/boost/ is what I've used. |
| 02:06.56 | AlexElliott | And yeah, specific slackware stuff would go to ##slackware - depends how vague it is really ;) |
| 02:07.33 | Jucato | because the "generic kde solution" would be to build KDE 4 yourself... separate user recommended.. then build the parts that you need |
| 02:07.40 | guax | Jucato: im questioning about run kde4 apps in kde3 enviroments with slackware preference :) |
| 02:07.40 | Jucato | etc. etc. (see techbase.kde.org) |
| 02:08.22 | AlexElliott | I'd build KDE from SVN as in techbase then follow the "setting up for development" method of running KDE4 apps in KDE3 |
| 02:08.43 | Jucato | guax: that depends on how slackware sets up kde3 and kde4. but it's possible of course |
| 02:09.09 | bfrog | can kde4 be used with the kde3 kicker still? the panel in kde4 looks awesome but the lack of moving around things is sort of aggravating... so I figure maybe I can get the desktop and apps but with the kde3 panel until the next version? |
| 02:09.26 | AlexElliott | Though, personally I've separated them by just altering the sample .bashrc to put it all in ~/kde4/ and ~/.kde4/ rather than with separate users. Means I can still get to all the files. |
| 02:10.33 | Jucato | bfrog: you can run kicker, but I don't know how integrated it will be. (for example they will of course use different menu systems, different data sources, etc) |
| 02:10.57 | bfrog | yeah I figure. Well can i move stuff around by editing some text file in .kde then? |
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| 02:11.57 | Jucato | I think you can, but I'm not so sure how. you can just install the widget in the the place you want in the first place.. to move them, you'd have to remove and re-add by dropping it in place. |
| 02:12.14 | Jucato | you can ask in #plasma about editing the config files for manual positioning... |
| 02:12.17 | Jucato | if it's possible |
| 02:12.34 | bfrog | ah ok |
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| 02:12.35 | bfrog | gotcha |
| 02:12.46 | Strangelet | Could anyone advise a fine KDE XMPP client? Excluding Kopete. I would also prefer the client to work only for XMPP. (I don't need a second multi-protocol client) |
| 02:13.34 | Jucato | Strangelet: you could try looking in kde-apps.org |
| 02:14.19 | Strangelet | I'll do just that, thanks Jucato! :3 |
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| 02:15.25 | netfrik | How do I create or add a shortcut, of 1-liner sh script, onto the desktop in KDE4? |
| 02:18.18 | netfrik | Dolphin won't let me just grab it and move it into desktop, I'll try konq maybe |
| 02:19.15 | Jucato | can drag and drop on desktop just fine in KDE 4.1 |
| 02:19.31 | Jucato | netfrik: what KDE 4 version? |
| 02:19.40 | Jucato | netfrik: also check that your widgets are not locked |
| 02:20.00 | netfrik | nevermind, dolphin let's me drag it onto desktop too :) |
| 02:22.20 | netfrik | 4.0.4-18.1 |
| 02:22.29 | netfrik | in SuSe-11 |
| 02:22.42 | netfrik | OSuSe-11 :) |
| 02:25.17 | Drantin | how many places does KDE4.0.5 pull desktop icons from? er... where are they i mean? |
| 02:25.34 | netfrik | Jucato: I can drag an drop ok, but I want to create desktop shortcut to my sh script, so that it starts in term session |
| 02:26.24 | Drantin | can you give it as an arguement to konsole or whatever term you use? |
| 02:27.30 | netfrik | Drantin: I don't see such option from desktop shortcut conf :( |
| 02:28.17 | Drantin | try creating a shortcut to konsole, then adding your script after it |
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| 02:29.00 | netfrik | Drantin: oh ic, I'll try that |
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| 02:29.09 | navetz_ | can someone please tell me how to record audio input please? |
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| 02:31.47 | netfrik | Drantin: k, that did it. Thanx for the tip :) |
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| 02:32.19 | Drantin | np |
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| 02:32.39 | cheater-conrad | what is the plasma pkg called with the widgets and such |
| 02:32.44 | Nyle | what is the dcop command to toggle power management of kde on/off? I tried browse in kdcop but no find anything |
| 02:32.56 | Nyle | powermanagement for display kcontrol module |
| 02:33.49 | Nyle | ok I can't find it |
| 02:33.52 | Jucato | cheater-conrad: you mean extra widgets? |
| 02:34.00 | cheater-conrad | like folder view and stuff |
| 02:34.06 | cheater-conrad | there's a plasma package i forgot what it's called |
| 02:34.14 | Nyle | is there a way to actually select something in kcontrol,and have kdcop jump to that location of it in the thing |
| 02:34.32 | Nyle | so i can easily try to find which setting in kdcop of kcontrol controls the power on/off feature of monitor |
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| 02:34.41 | Jucato | cheater-conrad: well folderview is part of the main plasma (kdebase) module. the extra ones are in kdeplasmoids. please consult your distro if they have packages |
| 02:34.46 | Jucato | (but they are in beta now btw) |
| 02:34.59 | cheater-conrad | yeah kdeplasmoids is what im thinking |
| 02:35.01 | J-23 | hi. |
| 02:35.04 | cheater-conrad | but i don't have folder view |
| 02:35.12 | Jucato | cheater-conrad: what version of KDE 4? |
| 02:35.22 | cheater-conrad | 4.1/svn |
| 02:35.27 | cheater-conrad | from about 2 weeks ago probably |
| 02:35.32 | Jucato | cheater-conrad: it should be in kdebase/apps |
| 02:36.39 | Jucato | Nyle: distro? also, not everything in KDE have dcop calls |
| 02:36.46 | Nyle | debian |
| 02:37.12 | Nyle | I am trying to find a way to toggle display power saving on/off with a dcop call and/or script |
| 02:37.37 | cheater-conrad | Jucato, i don't see a kde-base/apps |
| 02:37.54 | cheater-conrad | i'm on gentoo btw |
| 02:37.57 | Jucato | cheater-conrad: ask your distro. KDE doesn't make distro packages |
| 02:38.26 | cheater-conrad | ;) gotcha |
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| 02:44.17 | s133p | i have a quick question: in kde4.1 beta 1, why cant you choose a theme for kdm? |
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| 02:53.13 | kdepepo | s133p, have kdm themes been ported to kde4 yet? |
| 02:54.45 | s133p | kdepepo: im not sure, but i couldnt get it working even with kdm from kde3 |
| 02:55.40 | kdepepo | s133p, for KDE3 you need a third party kdm theme manager, I guess it is on kde-apps.org |
| 03:00.50 | s133p | kdepepo: thanks.. im looing into it |
| 03:02.23 | s133p | while im at it, are there any kubuntu packages for the beta 2? |
| 03:02.35 | kdepepo | s133p, ah, I now what you are doing wrong... System Settings needs to be run as root to get the rights to select theme. |
| 03:03.12 | s133p | hmmm, i tried that but it wont run :-/ |
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| 03:05.22 | kdepepo | s133p, wait |
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| 03:06.28 | Jucato | notes that KDE 4 has a built in "kdmtheme" in System Settings... but not sure if that works |
| 03:07.16 | kdepepo | $(kde4-config --path libexec)/kdesu -c "kcmshell kdm" |
| 03:07.47 | kdepepo | kcmshell4 maybe |
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| 03:12.02 | s133p | kdepepo: strang thing about that is that it shows everthing but the theme stuff |
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| 03:12.34 | kdepepo | s133p, in first tab select "themed greeter", then go to tab "Theme" |
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| 03:13.42 | s133p | kdepepo: its missing all of that i think its the kde3 version of that |
| 03:14.00 | kdepepo | did you try kcmshell4 instead of kcmshell |
| 03:14.14 | s133p | yeah |
| 03:14.42 | s133p | no luck :( |
| 03:14.45 | kdepepo | you would clearly see if it is kde4 or kde3 (from the oxygen style) |
| 03:15.08 | s133p | deffinately kde3 |
| 03:15.31 | kdepepo | what does "kde4-config --prefix" say? |
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| 03:16.25 | s133p | it says: /usr/lib/kde4 |
| 03:17.19 | kdepepo | maybe try this then: |
| 03:17.40 | kdepepo | $(kde4-config --path libexec)/kdesu -c "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/kcmshell4 kdm" |
| 03:18.55 | s133p | that seemed like it was working but nothing poped up |
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| 03:20.37 | kdepepo | kcmshell4 --list | grep kdm |
| 03:20.45 | kdepepo | (we get it :) |
| 03:20.50 | s133p | kdepepo: nevermind that. it worked, i just had to run it twice |
| 03:20.58 | kdepepo | oh |
| 03:21.03 | s133p | kdepepo: thanks tons! |
| 03:21.33 | kdepepo | it may have been delayed... because of the first ksycoca4 run for root (takes long) |
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| 03:21.51 | kdepepo | next time it should start faster |
| 03:22.27 | s133p | yeah.. more problems now though :( |
| 03:25.00 | Dhraakellian | hmm... is there any way to get KDE3 apps to use KDE4's colors? |
| 03:26.58 | Jucato | Dhraakellian: not unless you convert the KDE 4 color scheme to KDE 3 |
| 03:27.07 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:27.19 | Jucato | they use different color scheme formats (.colors vs .kcsrc) |
| 03:27.31 | s133p | kdepepo: nevermind again, i got it working, thanks again for everything |
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| 03:27.42 | Dhraakellian | I was half hoping tha the "Apply colors to non-KDE4 applications" thing worked for kde3 as well as gtk |
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| 03:28.27 | Dhraakellian | is automatic conversion likely to be a future feature? |
| 03:28.53 | kdepepo | Dhraakellian, should be an easy task :) |
| 03:29.08 | Jucato | Dhraakellian: if someone does it, why not? :) |
| 03:29.17 | Dhraakellian | hears hints |
| 03:29.32 | Dhraakellian | the smilies, they glare at me! |
| 03:29.40 | kdepepo | Dhraakellian, nah.... not me |
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| 03:30.02 | Jucato | they are just text files with RGB color codes... the real difference actually lies in which KDE 3 widget/state is equivalent to which KDE 4 widget/state |
| 03:30.53 | Jucato | (there's also the fact that KDE 4's color scheme has more options than KDE 3's... so backporting to KDE 3 means you just have to deal with a few of those) |
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| 04:40.49 | SpoofS | how can i set the KDE to use the WINDOWS style of work with the X |
| 04:41.02 | SpoofS | i'm using the UNIX style |
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| 04:45.00 | kingfishr | what are you talking about? |
| 04:45.51 | SpoofS | kingfishr, i dont know the correctly name of this config... when you start kde at first time, you choose how manage the X |
| 04:46.09 | SpoofS | has the option: unix, windows, mac ... |
| 04:46.30 | kingfishr | Ah |
| 04:46.30 | SpoofS | i'm using UNIX, but i want to use WINDOWS |
| 04:46.37 | Jucato | SpoofS: kpersonlizer |
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| 04:48.00 | zenstar | anyone know how to turn off message bubbles in kopete 0.50.1? |
| 04:48.41 | kde_pepo | SpoofS, also look at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/(KDE)+HowTwo+win2k?content=83938 |
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| 04:51.05 | zenstar | kde_pepo: I've tried that.. including unticking "show bubble" and it doesn't turn it off |
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| 05:03.16 | navetz_ | hey guys, I can't get my microphone to work in audacity through ALSA, it works through OSS but once I record something it says that my device is busy and I cant record again until I restart audicity. any ideas? |
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| 06:08.59 | Jucato | Core dump |
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| 06:14.00 | J-23 | Hmm, why files from libkipi and libkdcraw conflict with files from kdegraphics? |
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| 06:22.30 | Jucato | J-23: what kde version? here did you get your libkipi and libkdcraw? |
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| 06:41.43 | J-23 | Jucato: Hmm, it worked when I deleted that libs and deps, installed kdegraphics and then reinstalled libkipi, libkdcraw and packages removed before. |
| 06:43.06 | Jucato | presuming you are using KDE 4.1 (SVN/Beta), libkdcraw and libkipi are in kdegraphics now. but not sure how your distro packaged it |
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| 06:43.24 | J-23 | Is it possible to import all Google Picasa albums to DigiKam? |
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| 06:46.05 | J-23 | nvm, I'll sync it manually |
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| 06:51.16 | navetz_ | is there a good gui video converter I can download somewhere? |
| 06:51.51 | VagaStorm | is it poible to remove a calendar from kde pim without starting it? When I got to the kde calendar, it crashes due to one of my calendas having some wrong configuration.... |
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| 06:52.55 | J-23 | navetz_: try WinFFMpeg or something like it |
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| 06:53.07 | J-23 | there's Linux version too. |
| 06:53.25 | Simkin | navetz_: kdenlive does a fantastic job |
| 06:53.32 | Simkin | navetz_: converts from pretty well anything to pretty well anything |
| 06:54.35 | navetz_ | J-23 Simkin; are either of these in the ubuntu repos or do I have to find them somewhere? |
| 06:54.53 | Simkin | navetz_: should be. if not just google it and download the deb file. |
| 06:55.02 | navetz_ | a |
| 06:55.23 | navetz_ | Simkin: thanks. |
| 06:55.57 | Simkin | navetz_: np, http://debian-multimedia.org/kdenlive/ |
| 06:56.08 | Simkin | you'll more than likely want the i386 version. |
| 06:56.28 | navetz_ | Simkin; I found it in the repost but it keeps crashing :S |
| 06:56.36 | Simkin | what version? |
| 06:56.41 | Simkin | when does it crash? |
| 06:57.16 | Simkin | i found kdenlive 0.4x to be very crash prone, but 0.5 is quite stable. |
| 06:57.51 | Simkin | navetz_: when converting follow these steps, project, add clip, drag clip to timeline. file->export timeline. |
| 06:58.16 | navetz_ | Simkin: crashes as soon as I open it |
| 06:58.23 | Simkin | what version? |
| 06:58.34 | Simkin | can you open it from console to see what error(s) it might be giving? |
| 06:58.55 | navetz_ | sure 1 sec |
| 06:59.03 | Simkin | and do you know what version you installed? |
| 06:59.21 | navetz_ | Simkin: |
| 06:59.23 | navetz_ | kdenlive: WARNING: ////// RENDER, SET SCENE LIST |
| 06:59.23 | navetz_ | KCrash: Application 'kdenlive' crashing... |
| 06:59.23 | navetz_ | Unable to start Dr. Konqi |
| 06:59.28 | navetz_ | thats my error |
| 06:59.30 | navetz_ | let me check version |
| 07:00.01 | navetz_ | version .5 |
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| 07:01.25 | Simkin | well that just sucks |
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| 07:01.34 | Simkin | sorry navetz_ i dunno why it would be doing that to you. |
| 07:01.48 | navetz_ | yea, well its this ogg file that doesn't work with avidemux that I just want to edit a bit |
| 07:02.07 | navetz_ | I have to convert it to avi, but I guess its not a big deal, I can do that with memcoder |
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| 07:02.39 | Simkin | vlc is supposed to do it and make it rather easy too. |
| 07:03.04 | Simkin | vlc is a great media player too. but i really have no idea why kdenlive isn't working... i use it all the time. |
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| 07:05.58 | navetz_ | Simkin: oh wow thats nice with vlc, this is great. |
| 07:06.00 | navetz_ | thanks |
| 07:06.18 | Simkin | glad to help |
| 07:06.20 | Simkin | i'm off to sleep! |
| 07:06.21 | Simkin | goodnight. |
| 07:06.28 | navetz_ | Simkin: thanks bye |
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| 07:12.12 | admiral0 | hello.. i need help... |
| 07:12.44 | blauzahl-laptop | don't we all? |
| 07:13.03 | blauzahl-laptop | (you should ask your question ;) (someone might even be able to help you) |
| 07:14.05 | admiral0 | my kde beta 2 package.... is getting mad... libkonq5 is in conflict with one kde4.0 package... |
| 07:14.18 | annma | admiral0: ask in your distro channel please |
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| 07:14.29 | annma | KDE only ships tarballs |
| 07:14.50 | annma | your distribution will help you, what do you use? |
| 07:14.55 | admiral0 | alredy there... |
| 07:15.10 | admiral0 | thank you anyway ;) |
| 07:15.18 | admiral0 | kubuntu |
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| 07:31.17 | sandsmark | try in #hardware |
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| 07:42.46 | xsacha | hi, i have a question regarding dolphin/konqueror |
| 07:42.55 | xsacha | the left click action. how do you get it to do something? |
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| 07:43.27 | annma | kde version? |
| 07:43.29 | xsacha | for some application types like images it'll open up the program you have in preferred list, but for other file types it does absolutely nothing |
| 07:43.34 | xsacha | 4.083 (beta 2) |
| 07:43.39 | annma | what app? |
| 07:43.53 | xsacha | dolphin/konqueror |
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| 07:43.58 | annma | you mean you have an action that does nothing? |
| 07:44.05 | annma | which one? |
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| 07:44.20 | xsacha | well in the action list for file associations, i'll have a program like gwenview at the top of the list |
| 07:44.33 | annma | yes |
| 07:44.40 | annma | and it doe snot work? |
| 07:44.41 | xsacha | the left click action will then open gwenview (top of preferred list) if it's a .png under image type |
| 07:44.55 | xsacha | if i try to do this with another type, such as .sh under application, it does nothing |
| 07:45.07 | xsacha | however, if i go to open with and choose the first one on the list, it works fine |
| 07:45.27 | annma | a .sh |
| 07:45.36 | annma | can you explain sanely? |
| 07:45.40 | xsacha | yeah just an example |
| 07:45.45 | annma | GWenView has nothing to do with ;sh |
| 07:45.52 | annma | GWenView has nothing to do with .sh |
| 07:45.54 | xsacha | if i wanted to open a .sh in a terminal on left click |
| 07:46.10 | annma | is that possible??? |
| 07:46.17 | xsacha | well thats what i wanted to know |
| 07:46.29 | xsacha | it can work with images.. it just opens the first one in preferred list |
| 07:46.41 | annma | a .sh will usually be edited with your editor |
| 07:46.45 | xsacha | if i just showphoto to be top in preferred list, it runs this instead |
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| 07:47.00 | annma | top prog is run, yes |
| 07:47.05 | xsacha | well even if i wanted the .sh to be opened with an editor, it doesnt do this either |
| 07:47.08 | xsacha | it wont run any program |
| 07:47.11 | annma | yes it does |
| 07:47.21 | xsacha | i have to manually right click and choose open with and pick the first one on top of list |
| 07:47.22 | annma | just associate an editor with it |
| 07:47.26 | xsacha | i did |
| 07:47.31 | annma | what distro? |
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| 07:47.36 | xsacha | opensuse 11 |
| 07:47.50 | annma | did you ask there? |
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| 07:47.54 | xsacha | if i associate a .png file with an editor, it opens in an editor |
| 07:48.01 | xsacha | but a .sh wont open in an anything |
| 07:48.18 | xsacha | it seems there are specific filetypes that will open on leftclick -- why? |
| 07:48.28 | xsacha | i dont think this is an opensuse issue? |
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| 07:49.04 | annma | it works here |
| 07:49.13 | annma | if you run vanilla suse people can maybe tell you more |
| 07:49.24 | annma | I run vanilla KDE |
| 07:49.29 | xsacha | hmm |
| 07:49.41 | annma | all top progs are run on click |
| 07:49.50 | annma | a .sh is open in Kate for me for ex |
| 07:49.55 | xsacha | hmmm ok |
| 07:50.01 | xsacha | what revision? |
| 07:50.06 | annma | todays |
| 07:50.18 | annma | but that worked for ages |
| 07:50.35 | xsacha | that's odd. i also have a fix where i am unable to remove apps from my preferred list |
| 07:50.40 | xsacha | bug, not fix |
| 07:50.48 | xsacha | have you ever seen that one? |
| 07:50.52 | annma | remove apps from menu? |
| 07:50.58 | xsacha | file associations |
| 07:51.20 | annma | where do you remove them? in the file associations settings? |
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| 07:51.37 | xsacha | yes, or you can right click on a file, properties, click the spanner and it goes in to it there |
| 07:51.55 | annma | Add, Move UP,... and all actions? |
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| 07:52.00 | xsacha | yes |
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| 07:52.05 | annma | does Move up or Move down work? |
| 07:52.09 | xsacha | they work |
| 07:52.17 | annma | but not Remove? |
| 07:52.23 | xsacha | if i Remove, then hit Apply, the removed app comes back |
| 07:52.41 | xsacha | but only for apps that were there before. like, default ones. ones that i add myself can be removed |
| 07:53.20 | annma | maybe they depend on other file associations |
| 07:53.30 | annma | not sure what your distro set as defaults |
| 07:53.57 | xsacha | hmm but im only removing it from this specific file association |
| 07:54.09 | annma | so you think |
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| 07:54.19 | annma | give a precise example |
| 07:54.19 | xsacha | would be good if there were some message telling me what happened. it just appears back in the list |
| 07:54.48 | xsacha | well go in to file associations of a .png and try to remove gwenview. then apply, it comes back |
| 07:55.05 | annma | what other prog is there in the list? |
| 07:55.12 | xsacha | showphoto |
| 07:55.59 | oneforall | ok compilign kdelib etc is there somehting I need to pass to cmake for it to use qmake-qt4 qtconfig-qt4 etc and not qmake qtconfig wich is qt3 |
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| 07:56.18 | annma | oneforall: if you compile kde4 follow techbase dov |
| 07:56.19 | annma | doc |
| 07:56.20 | xsacha | hope it's not just an opensuse glitch. will move to another distro |
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| 07:56.46 | sandsmark | thinks that #kde needs a bot with built-in techbase search |
| 07:57.06 | annma | sandsmark: he should know where to look if he wants to build manually |
| 07:57.21 | sandsmark | but it would still be nice to have =) |
| 07:57.44 | annma | no because bots need to be maintained and are abused |
| 07:58.12 | annma | we had a bot for sdome time but believe me, it's a pain to manage |
| 07:58.13 | sandsmark | well, he could just be a techbase-search bot, that would limit the grounds for abuse |
| 07:58.18 | sandsmark | =) |
| 07:58.23 | annma | welll, set one up |
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| 08:03.40 | sandsmark | I'll look into making a techbase plugin for supybot this afternoon =) |
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| 08:11.35 | Kalidarn | how might i rectify thisS? |
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| 09:13.49 | betamax | hiho @ all ... when i start kpdf (kde 3.5.x) then i be able to switch off the menubar by hitting ctrl-m. is there a way to start kpdf without this menubar, so that i don't have to use ctrl-m to switch this off? |
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| 09:14.53 | J-23 | hmm, where can I change input method in KDE4? |
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| 09:25.34 | RKlyne | Hi all |
| 09:26.11 | RKlyne | Does anyone know how I instruct KDE to not automatically look inside nfs mounted directories? |
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| 09:36.41 | cirwin | how do I check out the code of konqueror? |
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| 09:37.56 | Half-Left | download the source |
| 09:38.00 | cirwin | yes :) |
| 09:38.08 | cirwin | do I have to get the whole of kde? |
| 09:38.18 | cirwin | or is there a specific repository path? |
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| 09:38.26 | Half-Left | just kdebase |
| 09:38.48 | Half-Left | Which do you want? |
| 09:38.58 | cirwin | konqueror only ideally |
| 09:39.37 | cirwin | I was going to report a bug, and the page giving instructions told me to fix it myself |
| 09:39.40 | cirwin | so I'll try :) |
| 09:40.16 | Half-Left | You should report the bug with a backtrace if it crashes |
| 09:40.23 | cirwin | doesn't crash |
| 09:40.32 | cirwin | just kills javascript |
| 09:40.40 | cirwin | can't find any error information though |
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| 09:41.00 | Half-Left | check on bugs.kde.org first to see if it's been reported and then if not make a report |
| 09:42.10 | Half-Left | You need to reproduce it as well and show how to |
| 09:42.19 | cirwin | yeah, can do that |
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| 09:43.41 | Half-Left | ok, go report it, it's easy enough :) |
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| 10:19.22 | localh0st | Hello |
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| 10:21.04 | Beket | Hi people. I am using kde-svn daily builds. When I start kde, I get infinite knotify dialogs telling me that xine plugin couldn't be found. etc |
| 10:21.10 | Beket | and by infinite, I mean literally infinite :) |
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| 10:27.21 | tuxick | install xine plugin ;p |
| 10:28.06 | localh0st | Someone know Gateway screens? |
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| 10:28.28 | localh0st | *display |
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| 10:35.23 | sandsmark | localh0st: is it a part of KDE? |
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| 10:37.46 | localh0st | sandsmark: no display ;P |
| 10:37.54 | sandsmark | :P |
| 10:38.05 | sandsmark | well, I don't know about them =) |
| 10:38.08 | sandsmark | sorry |
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| 10:52.01 | sigma_12 | kontact went backwards in 4.1 beta 2! |
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| 10:53.20 | Half-Left | How so? |
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| 10:54.08 | sandsmark | RTL you mean? |
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| 10:55.28 | Half-Left | useless comment then |
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| 11:22.17 | njhewitt | I want to comment on a blog on kdedevelopers.org, and registered to do so, but do I need to be approved first? It told me "You must specify a valid author". (promise it's not a flame :) |
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| 11:28.56 | AleSkandro_ealx | come si torna online con konversation ? /away semplicemente non va |
| 11:29.11 | jazka | in english please |
| 11:29.50 | AleSkandro_ealx | how can I set online with konversation? /away doesn't set |
| 11:30.08 | AleSkandro_ealx | hi jazka |
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| 11:32.40 | Jucato | AleSkandro_ealx: /back |
| 11:33.03 | AleSkandro_ealx | thanks Jucato |
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| 11:53.21 | Mercuree | is it possible to configure kde to allow one to login remotely without a local session being opened? I am curently logged into a gnome session on my desktop (remotely and therefore locally aswell) and now want to switch to kde, but if i log out, I will not be able to login remotely as there will be no local session ope |
| 11:53.34 | Mercuree | n |
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| 11:53.42 | oneforall | err I'd need to unistall qca, qca-tls these 2 eh . just keeping qt3 and kdelib 3.5.9 |
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| 11:54.21 | Mercuree | Also remote desktop is only configured under gnome sofar. I am currently googling the topic |
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| 12:31.09 | BlueG | what is the difference between ~/.kde and ~/.kde3.5? |
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| 12:31.36 | annma | ask your distro about it BlueG |
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| 12:41.09 | BlueG | annma: I am mainly interested in the generality. Are the ~/.kde directories not consistent then? |
| 12:42.59 | njhewitt | not necessarily. each distro makes their own choices. |
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| 12:43.00 | annma | they are |
| 12:43.00 | annma | I mean not |
| 12:43.01 | annma | ;) |
| 12:43.07 | annma | you set an env var fo rit |
| 12:43.14 | annma | $KDEHOME |
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| 12:45.32 | Jucato | in the absence of a manually set $KDEHOME, it defaults to ~/.kde/ though... whatever the version (afaik) |
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| 13:00.48 | mohbana | is it true that a QT implementation of firefox carried out by nokia is on it's way |
| 13:01.04 | annma | lol |
| 13:01.12 | annma | already? |
| 13:01.22 | annma | where did you see that?* |
| 13:01.58 | Jucato | might be a mix of 2 separate news actually |
| 13:02.36 | annma | mohbana: reference? |
| 13:03.06 | Jucato | there was news a month or two ago about a few individuals in Mozilla doing a Qt backend of Firefox. no participation of Nokia |
| 13:03.09 | mohbana | i'll post it when i find it, mind you i read it some time back |
| 13:03.39 | njhewitt | i think this is the story : http://dot.kde.org/1094924433/ |
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| 13:04.18 | Jucato | njhewitt: nope. see the date |
| 13:04.19 | Rasi | yea there was a news entry |
| 13:04.24 | njhewitt | unfortunately it's from 2004, and must have died since |
| 13:04.25 | Jucato | annma: http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/ |
| 13:04.30 | Rasi | and since then: no activity in the qt repo of mozilla |
| 13:04.45 | Rasi | yea |
| 13:04.49 | oneforall | http://rafb.net/p/Lj1fMf64.html can some one tell me if these have to be compiled against qt4 or if the ones I allready have are ok. excluding if they wan a newer version . |
| 13:04.53 | Rasi | and last commit was may the 12th |
| 13:04.54 | annma | I don't think anyone sane would want that anyway |
| 13:04.58 | Rasi | so the news lasted one week :P |
| 13:05.06 | Jucato | or rather, adding Qt support... |
| 13:05.27 | Rasi | annma: well.. firefox is the only browser with a decent flash integration |
| 13:05.29 | Rasi | ...sadly |
| 13:05.46 | Rasi | flash should die.. but we all know it wont |
| 13:05.47 | annma | flash is so 90's |
| 13:05.58 | Jucato | njhewitt, Rasi: that's a completely different "news" (that one's oooold). this one is from the Mozilla side |
| 13:06.14 | Rasi | Jucato: i am talking about your posted link |
| 13:06.16 | oneforall | jut nice if I don't have to and waste time :) |
| 13:06.22 | Rasi | check the repo that is mentioned in there |
| 13:06.24 | Jucato | isn't that interested anyway.... and doubts what impact it may have in the near future |
| 13:06.28 | Rasi | hasnt been updated since then |
| 13:06.29 | jazka | that sounds great, I just somehow don't like Gtk :( |
| 13:06.42 | mohbana | the linux port of flash is just horrible, it consumes vast amount of cpu |
| 13:06.45 | annma | mohbana: you can ask #qt maybe |
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| 13:06.59 | Rasi | flash is horrible by its nature |
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| 13:07.17 | Jucato | so are humans.. but we still need to live with them |
| 13:07.20 | Jucato | sighs.. |
| 13:07.24 | Rasi | hehe |
| 13:07.41 | Rasi | the comparison fits.. you cant watch into both of them |
| 13:08.15 | usman | hello |
| 13:08.20 | usman | every one |
| 13:08.34 | Rasi | hello |
| 13:08.35 | Rasi | one |
| 13:08.52 | usman | hello Rasi |
| 13:09.04 | njhewitt | Jucato: quite right, my bad. |
| 13:09.22 | usman | how r u |
| 13:09.31 | Rasi | once qt4.5 supports a complete webkit, we dont need gecko anyway |
| 13:10.58 | usman | hi i m a newbie |
| 13:11.23 | Rasi | i reckoned |
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| 13:11.44 | usman | i have some problem in my fedora 8 can u help me |
| 13:11.57 | Rasi | if its a fedora problem, ask in #fedora |
| 13:12.05 | usman | ok |
| 13:12.53 | usman | but how i go in #fedora plz tell me |
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| 13:13.15 | cyber_fusion | hi, any irc clients ported to 4 yep ? |
| 13:13.17 | sandsmark | usman: write /join #fedora |
| 13:13.17 | Rasi | just type /join #fedora |
| 13:13.23 | Rasi | cyber_fusion: quassel |
| 13:13.31 | annma | cyber_fusion: no KDE client |
| 13:14.43 | cyber_fusion | running svn since second alpha that's the last program I "need" |
| 13:14.53 | cyber_fusion | Rasi: trying quassel (tks) |
| 13:15.07 | Rasi | quassel is nice. but honestly.. nothing beats irssi |
| 13:15.16 | jazka | ditto |
| 13:15.17 | cyber_fusion | I miss konversation |
| 13:16.03 | Rasi | i miss digikam |
| 13:16.10 | Rasi | and sadly it refuses to compile for me |
| 13:16.21 | Sho_ | cyber_fusion: You can use Konversation in KDE 4, you know |
| 13:16.56 | cyber_fusion | yes but I don't wanna have qt3 just for cause of one app |
| 13:17.13 | Rasi | how do you burn your cds? |
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| 13:17.39 | usman | thanx Rasi it worked |
| 13:18.12 | sandsmark | k3b is ported |
| 13:18.17 | sandsmark | for some value of ported =) |
| 13:18.19 | cyber_fusion | yep |
| 13:18.28 | cyber_fusion | it's in extragear multimedia |
| 13:18.33 | sandsmark | it compiles, I haven't tried much more |
| 13:18.38 | cyber_fusion | it's fine |
| 13:18.40 | Sho_ | cyber_fusion: Does that really matter? It's a couple of MB, and you're saying you miss the app. You computer has resources; use them for things useful to you, that's the point |
| 13:19.21 | cyber_fusion | it's no biggie, I work with 3 computers, only my laptop is on KDE4 |
| 13:20.08 | cyber_fusion | when konversation (or equiv) is ported i'll move the others to 4 |
| 13:21.02 | njhewitt | cyber_fusion: konversation devs say don't hold your breath, it may be months. |
| 13:21.09 | cyber_fusion | yep |
| 13:21.31 | Rasi | cyber_fusion: ever tried irssi? |
| 13:21.43 | Rasi | with a decent theme its really handy |
| 13:21.44 | sandsmark | they're coming out with another kde 3 version first, ain't they? |
| 13:21.51 | Rasi | but the standard irssi theme sucks badly |
| 13:21.58 | Rasi | its just no fun |
| 13:22.02 | Sho_ | They're coming out with 1.1 for KDE 3 first which is in freeze for release now, yes |
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| 13:35.16 | neuzo | [15:33:23] <neuzo> there will be possible to run kde4.1 with a kde1.0 desktop theme? |
| 13:35.24 | neuzo | [15:33:41] <neuzo> with no graphics useless things?:p |
| 13:35.42 | annma | ? |
| 13:35.50 | annma | graphics useless things hu? |
| 13:36.01 | Sput | like buttons and widgets? |
| 13:36.07 | annma | do you need a desktop environment or not neuzo |
| 13:36.07 | neuzo | the various windows decorations |
| 13:36.14 | annma | various? |
| 13:36.30 | annma | KDE is a desktop environment which has a window manager |
| 13:36.32 | neuzo | and the various 3D effects like compiz-fusion |
| 13:36.33 | cyber_fusion | kde has supported various window decorations since 1.0 |
| 13:36.43 | annma | the effects ar eof as default |
| 13:36.56 | neuzo | can i deactivate them? |
| 13:36.57 | annma | but KDE is a desktop environment which has a window manager |
| 13:37.00 | cyber_fusion | sure |
| 13:37.15 | annma | run KDE without window manager? |
| 13:37.32 | cyber_fusion | you can even killall kwin, no sure why you'd want that though |
| 13:37.34 | annma | points neuzo to minimal BSD |
| 13:37.38 | neuzo | annma: i m talking about the decorations like as trasparency, and animation on resize |
| 13:37.47 | dwins | neuzo: yes, those can be disabled |
| 13:37.48 | annma | that's not decorations neuzo |
| 13:37.48 | cyber_fusion | those are off by default |
| 13:37.59 | neuzo | ok XD |
| 13:38.01 | annma | neuzo: I said effects are off as default |
| 13:38.08 | annma | but KDE has windows |
| 13:38.14 | neuzo | then my 2 gigs of ram will be ready for kde4 XD |
| 13:38.24 | annma | neuzo: you don't need those |
| 13:38.32 | annma | I build KDE on 1Gb and run it |
| 13:38.53 | annma | I know someone with KDE4 on 256 Mb RAM |
| 13:39.00 | neuzo | mh :o |
| 13:39.28 | neuzo | uh.. so .. lots of wm decoration kills sys-resources.. |
| 13:39.31 | neuzo | like as vista :o |
| 13:39.35 | neuzo | ram killer XD |
| 13:39.57 | cyber_fusion | nope not like vista, the decorations (when possible) use the 3d acceleration of your graphics card |
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| 13:40.19 | neuzo | ah |
| 13:40.34 | neuzo | is it good a nvidia geforce go 7600? |
| 13:40.58 | cyber_fusion | yep I use it on a nvidia 6800 :) |
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| 13:41.14 | neuzo | + intel core duo T2600 + 2 gigs ram ddr2? :| are good for kde4 then? :| |
| 13:41.15 | dolio | With your computer it's ridiculous for you to be worried. |
| 13:41.30 | cyber_fusion | lol, way to good |
| 13:41.39 | neuzo | it's 2 years old... |
| 13:41.43 | neuzo | i think.. |
| 13:41.47 | annma | neuzo: you should develop with such a machine |
| 13:41.53 | neuzo | so i am worried :\ |
| 13:41.53 | cyber_fusion | yep |
| 13:41.56 | cyber_fusion | nvidia is not however the best card (in terms of developer support) |
| 13:42.08 | neuzo | yes i am learning c++ |
| 13:42.27 | neuzo | and i already develop in php, by 4 years |
| 13:42.29 | cyber_fusion | i'm running kde4 on an old p4 (2gb ram) |
| 13:43.26 | neuzo | so.. |
| 13:43.30 | oneforall | I have a intel D 805 and only 1GB ram DDR :( |
| 13:43.32 | oneforall | :) |
| 13:43.34 | neuzo | now iam more quite |
| 13:43.38 | cyber_fusion | yep |
| 13:43.46 | neuzo | thank you :) |
| 13:43.53 | cyber_fusion | no problm glad to help |
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| 13:44.18 | cyber_fusion | if you'd like to help with development you can find more information on techbase.kde.org |
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| 13:44.42 | neuzo | now ill ask for kde4 development involving.. |
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| 13:45.17 | neuzo | where i can found infos about kde4 packets? :| and infos about kde-developing way to mantain each package?:| |
| 13:45.23 | oneforall | so can some one please tell me of that list what I'd have to recompile for qt4/kde4 |
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| 13:46.11 | neuzo | oneforall: i think nothing... just kde4-libs with same qt4 use flags set if you're using gentoo |
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| 13:47.54 | sandsmark | neuzo: what kde packages? |
| 13:48.14 | sandsmark | techbase.kde.org is nice, fwiw |
| 13:48.25 | oneforall | hmm guess I could grep the logs I think I still have them for qt. and if none compiled against qt3 . then its fine eh |
| 13:48.26 | ab0oo | with KDE4, is there a way to enable fast desktop switching ala Compiz (Ctrl-Atl-$ARROW), or am I stuck with that awful Ctrl-F1 -> Ctrl-F4? |
| 13:48.38 | neuzo | in primis, i'd like to develop a software to convert dvd2avi, because i didn't found one of 'em for kde.. |
| 13:48.47 | annma | oneforall: distro is gentoo? |
| 13:48.52 | oneforall | no |
| 13:48.52 | sandsmark | neuzo: k3b has support for it |
| 13:48.53 | dwins | neuzo: k3b can do it |
| 13:48.56 | dwins | sandsmark: :P |
| 13:48.59 | neuzo | yes?:o |
| 13:49.00 | sandsmark | dwins: pwned =) |
| 13:49.06 | annma | oneforall: I told you to look in techbase, did you do it? |
| 13:49.07 | neuzo | uHUHU xd |
| 13:49.14 | ab0oo | I can live without the spinning cube effects, but not having ctrl-alt-arrow switching is a dealbreaker |
| 13:49.15 | Kenjiro | good morning |
| 13:49.22 | annma | oneforall: did you find the buiold page on techbase??? |
| 13:49.31 | oneforall | annma yes but I don't even see any of those listed there |
| 13:49.45 | annma | any of those what? |
| 13:49.58 | Sput | ab0oo: can't you assign shortcuts to those actions? |
| 13:50.02 | Kenjiro | I know this question might be silly but... how can I add "buttons" or "launchers" for my apps? Like... I would like to have a button to start firefox on my taskbar, for example |
| 13:50.05 | Sput | I'd be surprised if you couldn't |
| 13:50.12 | oneforall | annma the post I made |
| 13:50.15 | Sput | and the spinning cube is coming to kwin4 as well |
| 13:50.18 | ab0oo | not that I can find, Sput |
| 13:50.18 | BlueG | annma, jucato: so if a script is looking for a users kde stuff, it should first check $KDEHOME, then try ~/.kde? |
| 13:50.23 | sandsmark | Kenjiro: drag them there |
| 13:50.28 | sandsmark | BlueG: yes |
| 13:50.36 | sandsmark | BlueG: but why do you want to check manually? |
| 13:50.38 | Kenjiro | sandsmark: hmmmmmm let me try ;) |
| 13:50.46 | sandsmark | BlueG: rather use kreadconfig and kwriteconfig =) |
| 13:50.48 | oneforall | annma http://rafb.net/p/Lj1fMf64.html can some one tell me if these have to be compiled against qt4 or if the ones I allready have are ok. excluding if they wan a newer version . |
| 13:50.54 | ab0oo | ahh, perhaps I can... |
| 13:51.00 | Sput | ab0oo: there is kwin actions "move one desktop up/down/left/right" |
| 13:51.04 | oneforall | wan/want |
| 13:51.19 | ab0oo | found it, just as you typed it |
| 13:51.26 | Sput | :) |
| 13:51.26 | sandsmark | ^_^ |
| 13:51.33 | ab0oo | I was looking in the desktop effects menu. |
| 13:51.44 | sandsmark | ab0oo: well, it isn't an effect =P |
| 13:52.01 | oneforall | I have most of them from kde3 so if they don't need a recompile it would be nice :0 |
| 13:52.01 | ab0oo | according to compiz, it is :) |
| 13:52.02 | sandsmark | stupid compiz making people confused |
| 13:52.05 | Kenjiro | sandsmark: oh yeah, it works *LOL* |
| 13:52.16 | sandsmark | Kenjiro: ^_^ |
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| 13:52.39 | sandsmark | Kenjiro: a norwegian supermarket chain has the slogan "the simple is often the best" (or something along those lines =) |
| 13:52.43 | annma | oneforall: on techbase.kde.org there is a list of requirements just pick your distro and follow it |
| 13:53.02 | annma | oneforall: is it a compiled distro that you use? why do you want to compile things? |
| 13:53.21 | annma | if your distro gives you qt4 it'll give you pyqt4 as well |
| 13:53.48 | annma | I for sure do not compile anything except poppler |
| 13:53.55 | oneforall | ok it might be requird but it wantiong to know if its going to be compiled againsta qt or if it doesn't need to be |
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| 13:54.09 | oneforall | like no use recompilign it if it doesn't need it |
| 13:54.39 | sandsmark | oneforall: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 13:54.43 | annma | no idea |
| 13:54.58 | annma | what is your distro oneforall |
| 13:55.00 | Kenjiro | now let me find the icon for kontact... |
| 13:55.10 | ab0oo | Sput: thanks for the tips. I think I'm happy, for the time being. I miss the spinning cube more than I thought I would, though. :) |
| 13:55.10 | oneforall | pyqt4 well tnat ones abviuos :) but like libraw1394 libdvdread libgphoto2 gst-plugins-base gstreamer sip openexr libzip sqlite |
| 13:55.25 | Sput | ab0oo: as I said, the spinning cube will come |
| 13:55.30 | Sput | ab0oo: it's a GSoC project |
| 13:55.36 | oneforall | annma my cross compile of slackware to 64bit . |
| 13:56.01 | ab0oo | GSoC, gotta love it. hook 'em young. |
| 13:56.04 | sandsmark | oneforall: you can use ldd to see if they link against qt |
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| 13:56.22 | oneforall | PyQt of course would be PyQt4 thats abviuos |
| 13:56.23 | Sput | had a beer with that guy recently, he also did the various tab switching effects for kwin4 :) nice guy |
| 13:56.44 | annma | oneforall: so doesn't your slackware take care of this??? |
| 13:56.52 | oneforall | ah yeah damn forgot about that . |
| 13:56.56 | sandsmark | oneforall: you can probably script it so something walks through the depencies, uses your package manager to get it's binaries, run ldd, and then uses the package manager to map backwards which packages the depencies belong to =) |
| 13:56.58 | annma | !!! |
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| 13:57.10 | sandsmark | debian has some very nice scripts for exactly this =) |
| 13:57.22 | sandsmark | dh-shlibs or something |
| 13:57.28 | oneforall | no as I said it my crosscoompile . but its pretty close to slack |
| 13:57.50 | annma | YOUR crosscompile??? |
| 13:58.01 | annma | I have no idea what a crosscompile is |
| 13:58.03 | sandsmark | oneforall: aren't you on too deep waters, now? =) |
| 13:58.18 | oneforall | yes I cross compiled 32bit slackware to 64bit a while back |
| 13:58.25 | sandsmark | crosscompile = you compile binaries for another platform than what your buildsystem is |
| 13:58.50 | annma | and that makes you on your own about dependencies? |
| 13:58.58 | annma | why do you want to do taht |
| 13:59.11 | AlexElliott | Slackware makes you on your own about deps, by design. |
| 13:59.24 | AlexElliott | A lot of folk don't like that, but it's a niche thing |
| 13:59.56 | oneforall | well most are not split out thats why . other than normal seperate libs packages etc |
| 13:59.57 | sandsmark | dependencies are way overrated, or something? |
| 14:00.29 | AlexElliott | Nah, just that people who use Slackware prefer to handle them themselves. |
| 14:00.34 | tuxick | sandsmark: try building gnome from scratch :) |
| 14:00.37 | sandsmark | AlexElliott: what does packagers for slackware do, then? |
| 14:00.44 | oneforall | like building an app and taking out the libs and headers to another package . nope . stays in |
| 14:00.51 | sandsmark | tuxick: I build kde from scratch for each new snapshot =) |
| 14:01.01 | Sput | hugs his Gentoo |
| 14:01.03 | tuxick | kde is easy |
| 14:01.09 | sandsmark | oneforall: Arch Linux and Gentoo do that too =) |
| 14:01.09 | AlexElliott | The package manager just handles upgrades, installation and removal of packages really. |
| 14:01.11 | tuxick | gnome = dependency hell |
| 14:01.21 | sandsmark | AlexElliott: like tar? =) |
| 14:01.26 | tuxick | mutually incompatible minor versions of 1000 libs |
| 14:01.33 | oneforall | yeah that was fine years ago I guess when you had a small drive :) |
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| 14:01.42 | oneforall | and it was for the non compilers |
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| 14:02.01 | sandsmark | oneforall: I think it's more bandwidth related |
| 14:02.28 | oneforall | only deps I look for are the normal one(other libs . not the forced split out ones app-devel pff |
| 14:02.32 | sandsmark | many people in the world are still on bandwidth |
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| 14:03.12 | oneforall | yeah I allways was too but its the same when you have to go get it again ;) |
| 14:03.12 | sandsmark | *dial up |
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| 14:03.28 | sandsmark | oneforall: you can look at our kde41 pkgbuilds here: http://kdemod.ath.cx/svn/branches/kde41/ |
| 14:03.40 | oneforall | still the same amout to have to go grab it |
| 14:03.43 | sandsmark | Arch doesn't split out into -dev-packages, so it should be pretty sane dependencies =) |
| 14:04.15 | oneforall | sandsmark the package is ok . IU was just hoping some one might know off hand . |
| 14:04.28 | sandsmark | oneforall: know what? |
| 14:04.42 | sandsmark | my english isn't very good, I'm sorry =/ |
| 14:05.07 | oneforall | oh if some of those wouldn't have to be recompiled . |
| 14:05.33 | xenonr_r | hello everybody |
| 14:05.35 | sandsmark | oneforall: if you're changing architecture, everything must be recompiled |
| 14:05.42 | oneforall | thats ok I'll just do the ldd of grep the build log |
| 14:05.53 | sandsmark | oneforall: but Qt 4.4 is backwards compatible all the way to 4.0, afaik |
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| 14:05.56 | oneforall | sandsmark no thats all done long time ago now |
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| 14:06.04 | sandsmark | oneforall: ok, then, nothing =) |
| 14:06.42 | neuzo | what do u think about nokia acquisition of trolltech? |
| 14:06.50 | sandsmark | neuzo: all fun and glee |
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| 14:07.10 | neuzo | there will be a nokia pc suite for kde ? XD |
| 14:07.29 | Kenjiro | anyone know where to find the icon for Kontact on the "K menu"? |
| 14:07.31 | sandsmark | neuzo: no need =P |
| 14:07.46 | sandsmark | Kenjiro: depends on your distro |
| 14:08.16 | Kenjiro | sandsmark: I compiled kde 4.1 from source, so my distro didn't mess with that ;) |
| 14:08.22 | neuzo | oh no i need nokia pc suite for linux XD |
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| 14:08.30 | sandsmark | Kenjiro: oh, ok, search for it =) |
| 14:09.07 | sandsmark | Kenjiro: you can also right click in a random folder in Dolphin -> Create new -> Link to application, fill in the details, and then drag that down to the panel |
| 14:14.40 | thiago_home | Kenjiro: it's on Office on the default KDE menu |
| 14:14.57 | thiago_home | Kenjiro: if you're not using the default KDE menu organisation, you should ask whoever changed it (generally, your distro) |
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| 14:15.23 | inf1nitylX | hi |
| 14:15.37 | xenonr_r | hello |
| 14:16.06 | inf1nitylX | has some one install kde4.1.0_beta2? |
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| 14:39.01 | sandsmark | yes |
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| 14:43.37 | Ramblurr | has anyone's kwin been raping their cpu lately? |
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| 14:44.26 | Ramblurr | ...with a recent trunk ? |
| 14:44.46 | jazka | yes, if I enable vsync |
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| 14:57.49 | mikko777 | can anyone inform me how to change menubar icon in kde4? |
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| 14:58.22 | _julian | hi all |
| 14:58.31 | _julian | is kitchensync for kde4 already done? |
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| 15:09.41 | hgf | hello i have kde 3.5.9 and lenny,when is available kde4 in lenny? |
| 15:09.54 | thiago_home | what is lenny? |
| 15:10.01 | hgf | debian |
| 15:10.05 | thiago_home | knows the Simpsons character, but I guess that's not the issue at hand |
| 15:10.15 | thiago_home | ask in #debian then |
| 15:11.00 | Jejem | thiago_home: hey, simpsons !! |
| 15:11.00 | Jejem | :D |
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| 15:16.26 | jals | how come alt + tab doesn't seem to work in kde4 |
| 15:16.38 | gkiagia | why clicking on an rss link in konqueror doesn't open akregator but shows it as html in a new tab? (which is malformed html...) |
| 15:16.42 | annma | it works very well |
| 15:16.56 | annma | jals: you can even set it diofferently with Desktop effects |
| 15:17.25 | gkiagia | jals: maybe you are using kwin effects and you messed up with the alt-tab switch effects? |
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| 15:18.27 | morhad | hi! to Thunderbird user: have the methods to use shortcuts like ctrl+v, ctrl+x, ctrl+c with Thunderbird 2.0 when I create message? |
| 15:18.55 | jazka | what that has to do with kde? |
| 15:20.01 | annma | morhad: ask in your distro channel please |
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| 15:20.29 | jals | i'm not sure what i've done |
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| 15:21.31 | Half-Left | Any good tips on building qt-copy? |
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| 15:21.54 | annma | Half-Left: follow the README.qt-copy is the best tip |
| 15:22.04 | annma | it's straighforward |
| 15:22.06 | Half-Left | annma: They are the best options? |
| 15:22.15 | annma | yes |
| 15:22.21 | Half-Left | cool, building |
| 15:22.22 | jals | hmm, alt + tab seems to be set in keyboard shortcuts |
| 15:22.36 | annma | I mean: no, they are written there so it'll mess your build |
| 15:22.43 | Half-Left | hehe |
| 15:22.45 | annma | Half-Left: ^^ |
| 15:22.47 | annma | ;) |
| 15:23.01 | annma | jals: kde installed with distro? |
| 15:23.26 | jals | i upgraded from 3.x to 4.1 beta |
| 15:23.28 | jals | kubuntu |
| 15:23.37 | annma | maybe ask in #kubuntu |
| 15:23.38 | Half-Left | annma: I can remove my disto Qt4 and install this, should be ok |
| 15:23.44 | jals | i did, they're useless in there :( |
| 15:23.45 | Half-Left | distro* |
| 15:23.55 | annma | Half-Left: why would you do so? |
| 15:24.03 | annma | use your distro qt! |
| 15:24.16 | Half-Left | Dont want to rely on it, it dont have Qt-copy |
| 15:24.45 | gkiagia | jals: does alt+f2 and other shortcuts work for you? |
| 15:24.46 | annma | distro Qt4 is perfectly OK |
| 15:24.55 | jals | yeah that one does |
| 15:25.15 | gkiagia | wierd |
| 15:25.17 | Half-Left | annma: It was in backports, though they maybe testing it or soemthing |
| 15:25.26 | jals | you can use compiz in kde4 right? |
| 15:25.37 | annma | jals: kwin has compositing |
| 15:25.43 | annma | we don't use compiz |
| 15:25.51 | jals | oh |
| 15:26.03 | jals | ok well i just enabled compiz and that fixes the shortcuts |
| 15:26.14 | gkiagia | jals: but technically you could use compiz, its just another window manager |
| 15:26.22 | jals | i like compiz :) |
| 15:26.41 | annma | kwin is better |
| 15:26.47 | jals | how so? |
| 15:26.48 | Half-Left | As a window manager is sucks like metacity, Oops sorry, did I say that :p |
| 15:27.02 | annma | how so as it is KDE jals |
| 15:27.09 | gkiagia | annma: I definitely agree :) |
| 15:27.33 | annma | :) |
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| 15:28.44 | Half-Left | annma: I said what you was thinking, sorry :p |
| 15:30.27 | Half-Left | Problem with compiz is it's not very well intergraded into GNOME, they have a compositor but it's very basic |
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| 15:40.09 | Exilant | Does anyone know how that click-link-by-pressing-key (press ctrl, choose letter beneath link) thing in konqueror(3.5.9) works? i.e. i want to know how i can reach the other links after the first 40ish |
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| 15:42.49 | kniolet_ | Exilant: what happens when you press it on a page with more than 40ish links? |
| 15:42.55 | kniolet_ | i dont even know one to test it... |
| 15:44.18 | Exilant | well, the first links get numbered a-z, 0-9 or so, and the others don't get any keys |
| 15:44.22 | kniolet_ | from what i can tell, you get A-Z and 0-9 and i guess any more than that, you are SOL? |
| 15:44.33 | Exilant | sol? |
| 15:44.37 | kniolet_ | ehhh |
| 15:45.04 | kniolet_ | its a slang expression. s*&% out of luck |
| 15:45.18 | Exilant | ah, thx :) |
| 15:45.29 | kniolet_ | i dunno for sure though |
| 15:45.32 | kniolet_ | but thats my guess |
| 15:45.48 | Exilant | wikipedia etc. have more than 40 links |
| 15:45.54 | Exilant | often a lot more |
| 15:46.05 | kniolet_ | ok. i just tried it on yahoo news, they seem to also |
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| 15:50.46 | annma | anyone here with KUbuntu kde4 beta 2 by any chance please? I need to check something for a bug report |
| 15:51.55 | annma | hey people, wake up! |
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| 15:57.46 | downhillgames | does KDE[4] control the repeat rate for the keyboard or is that handled soley by X? |
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| 16:05.57 | gkiagia | downhillgames: system settings -> keyboard & mouse -> keyboard |
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| 16:06.25 | gkiagia | no idea how it is implemented, but you can configure it from kde |
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| 16:07.03 | downhillgames | every key registers for 3-5 characters |
| 16:07.07 | downhillgames | (including backspace) |
| 16:07.12 | gkiagia | :O |
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| 16:07.58 | downhillgames | this is from VMware Tools (I'm runnning Kubuntu in a VM), but I want know if changing the KDE settings effects KDM, or if I'm completely wrong and it's all based on X |
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| 16:09.24 | gkiagia | downhillgames: actually the problem may rely on vmware. seems like the virtual machine is not synchronizing with the real time clock |
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| 16:10.10 | downhillgames | gkiagia, that's not what I wanna hear ;) but I'm already in #vmware as well... let's see what they have to say |
| 16:10.32 | downhillgames | gkiagia, ah, wait, it can't be that... the terminal is fine |
| 16:10.35 | downhillgames | it's only with X |
| 16:10.48 | gkiagia | downhillgames: hmm... no idea then |
| 16:10.49 | downhillgames | (and I only have KDE4/KDM-KDE4 installed) |
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| 16:28.32 | Kusanagi | a |
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| 16:44.30 | Ayabara | kwin is at 20-50% cpu all the time on my T7500@2.20GHz in KDE4.1 Beta2. |
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| 16:49.12 | Ayabara | anything I can debug to check why kwin is using that much cpu? |
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| 16:54.02 | Half-Left | Ayabara: Do you use effects? |
| 16:54.34 | Ayabara | Half-Left: yes, but it was kinda slow even before that |
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| 16:55.08 | Half-Left | Turn VSync off in the effects |
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| 16:57.50 | Ayabara | Half-Left: that helped a lot |
| 16:58.19 | Half-Left | It's a known issue |
| 16:58.58 | Ayabara | Half-Left: ok. much more responsive now, though a tad slow when I change desktops |
| 17:00.06 | Half-Left | Hopefully it will get worked out before final |
| 17:00.29 | Half-Left | Ayabara: Let me guess, nvidia? |
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| 17:02.56 | ak5 | hello, how do I startkde? i have no startkde :( |
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| 17:04.10 | Shirakawasuna | I'm confused.... how do I access an old 'wallet' for kwalletmanager? |
| 17:04.27 | Shirakawasuna | I've forgotten a password and would like to figure out what it is, but don't know where to look |
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| 17:06.03 | Shirakawasuna | right now it's giving me "binary data" that I can't view, btw. That's if I use the backup kwl from ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet |
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| 17:16.37 | kishore | Shirakawasuna: you should be able to view the password through kwalletmanager |
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| 17:17.12 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: that's what I'm trying to do |
| 17:17.43 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: I open up kwalletmanager, make a new wallet, select 'merge wallet', it asks me for the password, I put it in, and select a key. |
| 17:17.54 | Shirakawasuna | Then it tells me that it's "binary data" and "application specific", and cannot be viewed |
| 17:18.54 | kishore | you mean you have forgotten the password for the wallet itself? |
| 17:19.07 | Shirakawasuna | nope |
| 17:19.09 | kishore | sorry...i have never tried the merge option |
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| 17:20.40 | Shirakawasuna | hmm |
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| 17:21.06 | kishore | Shirakawasuna: here, after opening the wallet and selecting the option to show contents for the password, it shows the password in plain text |
| 17:21.23 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: How did you open the wallet? |
| 17:21.40 | kishore | i open kwallet manager which then lists it out |
| 17:21.54 | nightrow | hi. Using kde4b2 on kubuntu, i find it very anoying not to be able to move a panel widget where i want it to, in a drag and drop fashion. It is a planned feature ? |
| 17:22.11 | Danmer | gwenview in beta2 launches in the top left corner of the desktop, so the window decoration is above the screen |
| 17:22.42 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: it's a bit different for other wallets ;) |
| 17:23.01 | Danmer | so i decided to change it's default placement in kwin settings, that are special for application (right click on decoration -> advanced -> special application settings), but the settings after pressing "ok" are not saved and are restored to defaults |
| 17:23.25 | kishore | Shirakawasuna: so this wallet that you want to open is not your default and is from another user or installation? |
| 17:24.19 | Shirakawasuna | there we go, got it |
| 17:24.32 | Shirakawasuna | I renamed the kwallet file, then dragged it onto the kwalletmanager |
| 17:24.34 | Shirakawasuna | lame :D |
| 17:24.37 | Shirakawasuna | but at least it worked |
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| 17:25.01 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: yeah, that's the case. Problem solved now, though :D |
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| 17:25.09 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: thanks for helpin' |
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| 17:25.25 | kishore | so how did it work? |
| 17:25.54 | kishore | i was just about going to try the merge option |
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| 17:26.55 | nightrow | No one know for my applet questio n ? |
| 17:27.47 | kishore | nightrow: it is a planned feature but may not be for the near 4.1 release |
| 17:28.11 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: I had to drag the .kwl file onto the manager window |
| 17:28.11 | nightrow | ok, thanks, i'll thus not write a bug report |
| 17:28.18 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: it didn't like the title at first, so I had to rename the file |
| 17:28.20 | Shirakawasuna | then it worked ;) |
| 17:28.42 | kishore | nightrow: IIRC, fedora people hacked in something to make that possible |
| 17:28.54 | kishore | Shirakawasuna: strange indeed! |
| 17:28.55 | Half-Left | nightrow: What is anoying? |
| 17:28.59 | Shirakawasuna | which is a bit silly if you ask me. There should be an 'open .kwl' option somewhere, either in the main kwalletmanager 'file' menu or the 'file' menu of a new wallet |
| 17:29.13 | Shirakawasuna | maybe the 'merge' option is just broken? |
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| 17:29.32 | nightrow | Half-Left : we cant drag applet in panel atm |
| 17:29.56 | kishore | Shirakawasuna: maybe file a wish. i agree, an option to open a wallet would be useful |
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| 17:30.18 | Half-Left | Nightraven: You can in svn trunk version |
| 17:30.27 | Half-Left | Nightrow: You can in svn trunk version |
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| 17:31.09 | nightrow | Half-Left : kde seems to be evolving fast, good job |
| 17:31.19 | kishore | Half-Left: since when? my build from yesterday does not allow it |
| 17:31.35 | Half-Left | nightrow: You dont have panels locked do you? |
| 17:31.52 | Half-Left | kishore: My build is thos morning |
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| 17:32.03 | nightrow | Half-Left : they are unlocked of course |
| 17:32.04 | Half-Left | And it did it a few days ago |
| 17:32.29 | nightrow | Half-Left : and i'm using kubuntu 4.1b2 |
| 17:32.31 | Half-Left | I just dragged my clock into the panel |
| 17:32.33 | kishore | Half-Left: oh! i must be missing something then |
| 17:33.07 | Half-Left | nightrow: They are known to have their own bugs |
| 17:33.23 | kishore | Half-Left: oh ok a misunderstanding there. i thought nightrow was talking dranggin to rearrage panel applets |
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| 17:33.38 | kishore | which is not yet available |
| 17:33.39 | Half-Left | oh ok |
| 17:33.54 | Half-Left | kishore: planned for 4.2 :) |
| 17:34.02 | kishore | yeah |
| 17:34.16 | nightrow | i'm talking about moving applet already in panels, which can't be done with what i have ... |
| 17:34.50 | kishore | nightrow: thats right as mentioned... planned for 4.2 |
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| 17:35.09 | Half-Left | nightrow: Yes that can't be done yet, you need to dragging icons directly where you want them for now |
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| 17:35.57 | Half-Left | bug fixes are more important and plasma is ALOT more stable than it was |
| 17:36.04 | nightrow | ok, this is just a little bad to have to wait until 4.2. I'm wondering which version of kde4 will be "fetaure complete" |
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| 17:36.24 | nightrow | Half-Left : true, plasma is much better than in kde 4.0 |
| 17:36.33 | kishore | nightrow: short answer... no version! |
| 17:36.33 | Half-Left | nightrow: I heard SUSE has that features, maybe backport it |
| 17:36.42 | kishore | :-) there will always be feature addition |
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| 17:37.42 | nightrow | well i'm considering it as usefull, while many feature are more "bonus" (and for me they can wait) |
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| 17:37.55 | Half-Left | The panel config is good enought for 4.1 in my view, alot of bugs are fixed which is better |
| 17:38.32 | nightrow | true enough |
| 17:38.35 | kishore | agreed. moving within the panel is not that a deal anyway, i i dont reconfigure my panel everyday |
| 17:38.38 | Danmer | but you still cannot move items on panel |
| 17:39.05 | Half-Left | No but get ti right first time then\ |
| 17:39.09 | Shirakawasuna | wow, you can't move itmes on a panel? |
| 17:39.11 | Shirakawasuna | that's pitiful |
| 17:39.14 | kishore | and its easy to drag from the add widget dialog into the panel to the position you want it to be at! |
| 17:39.17 | Shirakawasuna | with all due respect ;) |
| 17:39.37 | Shirakawasuna | skip the eyecandy if such basic functionality is getting sacrificed :/ |
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| 17:40.15 | nightrow | kishore : it is easy, but you still have to know it ... (i didn't found it alone) |
| 17:40.34 | Half-Left | Basic functionallity is open to debate |
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| 17:41.26 | kishore | nighatrow: agreed. we lack documentation but that why everyone of us have to pitch in to help the others |
| 17:41.36 | Half-Left | I have my icons configure how I want and I'm no expert, so should you |
| 17:42.12 | Shirakawasuna | if you have to trick the system into getting what you want, that's a failure in functionality :/ |
| 17:42.46 | Shirakawasuna | KDE has been centered around the idea of avoiding that kind of thing, after all |
| 17:42.48 | Half-Left | It's a feature that will be added, all new software never get s new stuff on release |
| 17:42.49 | nightrow | kishore : for me which like bleeding edge software, this is not a problem. for a standard user, i'm more sceptical ... |
| 17:42.53 | Shirakawasuna | hence all the options in kcontrol |
| 17:43.17 | Danmer | and panel resizing tool is driven me mad :) |
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| 17:43.33 | Danmer | *driving |
| 17:43.37 | Half-Left | Use kicker then |
| 17:43.40 | Shirakawasuna | this is an old feature ;) |
| 17:43.52 | Shirakawasuna | I think even win95 would let you do this |
| 17:43.56 | Danmer | but kicker is from kde3 |
| 17:44.05 | kishore | Danmer: really. I thought that was nifty and people that i showed it to were impressed too |
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| 17:44.17 | kishore | interesting is how peoples taste varies |
| 17:44.38 | Half-Left | Shirakawasuna: Please stop the moaning, KDE4 is very new in design techically |
| 17:44.58 | Shirakawasuna | Half-Left: yes, I know. And I'm not moaning, I'm making a simple and accurate point. |
| 17:45.51 | Half-Left | Shirakawasuna: So did you moan about kicker in on first release, did it have the same fetures as 3.5? |
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| 17:46.03 | Shirakawasuna | Half-Left: I bet it did, actually. |
| 17:46.09 | Half-Left | nonsense |
| 17:46.14 | Shirakawasuna | I didn't use 3.5.0, though |
| 17:46.25 | Shirakawasuna | Half-Left: do you have a build of 3.5.0 for testing this out on? |
| 17:46.36 | kishore | i think he refers to 3.0 |
| 17:47.08 | kishore | 3.5.0 was rather mature |
| 17:47.19 | Half-Left | 3.0 not 3.5 |
| 17:48.13 | Half-Left | Some peopel just dont get it |
| 17:48.30 | Shirakawasuna | I wouldn't know on that one, either. It is entirely possible that it did, however it also would be a false analogy |
| 17:48.39 | Shirakawasuna | we're talking about the 4.1 release, so 3.1 would be better |
| 17:49.16 | kishore | in any case, in my personal opinion the panel move not a sho stopper as its a more or less one time setup for me and basic user would just use the distro default |
| 17:49.26 | rdieter | everyone wants their pony |
| 17:49.55 | Half-Left | Shirakawasuna: Do you know anythign about KDE? |
| 17:49.55 | Shirakawasuna | lol, thanks for the personal criticism, guys ;) |
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| 17:50.02 | Shirakawasuna | Half-Left: yes |
| 17:50.15 | Shirakawasuna | Half-Left: would you like to insult my intelligence a bit, get into a flamewar? |
| 17:50.28 | Half-Left | ok, KDE3 was not a big jump like KDE4 is so |
| 17:50.52 | Half-Left | Shirakawasuna: I prefer to do it with fact and I will win so |
| 17:51.02 | Shirakawasuna | lol |
| 17:51.17 | Shirakawasuna | uh-huh ;) |
| 17:51.31 | Shirakawasuna | I'm sure that's why it had to start getting personal. All of your 'fact' |
| 17:51.33 | rdieter | Shirakawasuna, Half-Left : be nice |
| 17:51.41 | Half-Left | But if you want to be posative and contribute then do so |
| 17:52.00 | Shirakawasuna | I do. I file the occasional bug report. |
| 17:52.14 | Half-Left | good for you |
| 17:52.22 | Shirakawasuna | and my criticism is constructive, on the offchance that a dev ever sees the convo |
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| 17:52.32 | Shirakawasuna | it's fairly simple: before eyecandy, basic functionality |
| 17:52.52 | Half-Left | Shirakawasuna: it's been said a thousand time in here, you've added nothing |
| 17:53.04 | Daante | it's open source, go and fix it |
| 17:53.13 | Shirakawasuna | Half-Left: then it clearly needs to be said again |
| 17:53.14 | Daante | can't be that hard |
| 17:53.17 | kishore | Shirakawasuna: the problem with the argument is the definition of "basic" |
| 17:53.30 | kishore | like in my oint of view panel move is not basic |
| 17:53.31 | Half-Left | Shirakawasuna: Why? |
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| 17:53.53 | Shirakawasuna | Half-Left: because if your claim is accurate, it's being ignored by the devs despite fairly massive support for it |
| 17:53.56 | Half-Left | Go to #plasma and say it 10 more times |
| 17:54.05 | Shirakawasuna | after all, thousands of times on this channel = lots of people. |
| 17:54.10 | nightrow | Shirakawasuna: if you don't like it, help fix it, otherwise don't blame people not paid to give you such a software |
| 17:54.22 | Shirakawasuna | oh goody, more personal attacks |
| 17:54.33 | Shirakawasuna | I'm not being a hypocrite by advocating a simple position |
| 17:54.41 | Half-Left | Shirakawasuna: it's a planed feature, it's known, like all the other features you want, it needs to be coded, tested and put in order |
| 17:54.42 | kishore | Shirakawasuna: i think the option is "good to have" |
| 17:54.59 | Shirakawasuna | personally, I have no coding skills. If I did, I'd likely work on a KDE project of some kind. |
| 17:55.10 | nightrow | i never said that, but if you want to be coherent, don't stop at cristism, help it getting better |
| 17:55.11 | kishore | in fact given that the fedora ships with the feature its already coded |
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| 17:55.22 | Shirakawasuna | nightrow: it's the implication :/ |
| 17:55.22 | kishore | just not integrated upstream! |
| 17:55.29 | Shirakawasuna | in fact, it's what everyone is implying atm |
| 17:56.03 | Half-Left | knows why aseigo dropped out of public view now |
| 17:56.15 | Shirakawasuna | the mere fact that I've said one should be able to move these things around before putting in the eyecandy is interpreted as some hypocrite who could just go out and change the source himself, contribute, whining at some devs because they didn't put in a specialized feature in for him, for free |
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| 17:56.25 | Shirakawasuna | really, now |
| 17:56.31 | Shirakawasuna | I'm simply stating a personal opinion |
| 17:56.41 | Half-Left | which means nothing |
| 17:56.45 | Daante | :) |
| 17:56.48 | Shirakawasuna | and have never implied that I don't appreciate the hard work going into KDE |
| 17:56.51 | Half-Left | well all have them |
| 17:56.53 | Shirakawasuna | so feel free to bugger off, Half-Left ;) |
| 17:57.14 | Half-Left | No lightly, your first |
| 17:57.35 | kishore | chill guys.. everyone's said what they want to |
| 17:57.37 | Danmer | lol |
| 17:57.50 | kishore | lets leave that there |
| 17:58.09 | Shirakawasuna | aww, I want more flamewar |
| 17:58.28 | Half-Left | Then get kicked go for it |
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| 17:59.14 | kishore | Shirakawasuna: if this is being fun for you i beg you to reconsider as it can be very damaging to peoples morale |
| 17:59.14 | Shirakawasuna | lol, let's just drop it. I was making a joke, but you apparently do you want a flamewar ;) |
| 17:59.21 | Shirakawasuna | (you = Half-Left) |
| 17:59.23 | Shirakawasuna | so, convo over |
| 17:59.42 | rdieter | kishore: full disclosure, fedora just borrowed an opensuse patch, and as-is, kinda sucks, not really upstreamable. all: work is underway for a proper solution, so folks, chill. |
| 17:59.45 | kishore | thanks |
| 17:59.45 | nightrow | well a lots of work is going done, critism for fun is not always welcome ... |
| 17:59.57 | Half-Left | exactly |
| 18:00.11 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: well, I'd answer your point about morale, but we should avoid the topic, as people can't seem to keep from getting personal about it |
| 18:00.57 | Shirakawasuna | "for fun", lol. Thanks for the assumptions and yet another veiled personal attack |
| 18:01.18 | Half-Left | Some people are born to be trolls |
| 18:01.22 | Shirakawasuna | are you guys dropping it or not? I can flame just as bright as any of them. |
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| 18:01.43 | rdieter | Shirakawasuna: you've been warned, stop now, really. you've had your say. |
| 18:01.54 | Shirakawasuna | yes, and I keep telling others to drop it... |
| 18:02.00 | nightrow | half-left : let said he choosed the right channel for that :p |
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| 18:02.21 | Shirakawasuna | rdieter: I see that you're not complaining about the last two personal attacks on me ;) |
| 18:02.23 | Half-Left | nightrow: :p |
| 18:02.49 | rdieter | Shirakawasuna: you're kinda bringing it yourself, you know. please heed the advice you've been given. |
| 18:02.50 | Daante | <°)))o>< |
| 18:03.36 | Shirakawasuna | rdieter: ah, I see. So your position wasn't based merely on civility. |
| 18:03.42 | Half-Left | lol |
| 18:03.45 | Shirakawasuna | like I said, I'm dropping it |
| 18:03.49 | Shirakawasuna | so you guys have fun with the pettiness |
| 18:03.59 | Shirakawasuna | feel free to PM me if you care that much about it |
| 18:04.16 | Half-Left | Talk about digging youself into your own hole |
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| 18:04.42 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: meh, I'll just discuss with you, to change the topic slightly ;) |
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| 18:05.09 | Shirakawasuna | kishore: I don't think criticism of the type I presented hurts morale, I think devs are mature enough to understand the difference between whining and constructive criticism. |
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| 18:37.42 | PhilRod | hi milik |
| 18:38.56 | milik | can somebody help with prelink - i have such errors http://fpaste.org/paste/3051 |
| 18:39.19 | milik | It concerns only KDE apps |
| 18:41.40 | PhilRod | milik: if no-one here knows, you could try #kde-devel |
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| 18:42.24 | milik | PhilRod ok i try |
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| 18:43.16 | Half-Left | prelink is dated, preload is better |
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| 18:44.58 | Half-Left | Milk ^ |
| 18:45.30 | milik | i search on google :) |
| 18:45.50 | Half-Left | Just dont use prelink :p |
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| 20:25.06 | dbbddbdb_ | Hi! Is it possible to make different icons for empty directories, non-empty directories and really full directories? |
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| 20:33.47 | hacksilber | is this for some basic help with kde4? |
| 20:34.04 | hacksilber | <ie bind win key to kickoff> ? |
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| 20:35.24 | hogejo | Hello guys! I bet you all use Kopete. how can I make the names on IRC appear different color, according to the names? |
| 20:35.33 | hogejo | I am blue, and all the rest is "redish" |
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| 20:37.34 | hacksilber | anyone know how to bind the win key to kickoff in kde4? |
| 20:37.47 | SimAtWork | hogejo: settings->configure konversation |
| 20:37.57 | SimAtWork | hogejo: colours->coloured nicks... |
| 20:37.58 | SimAtWork | turn that on |
| 20:38.01 | SimAtWork | select some colours |
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| 20:38.14 | hogejo | checkin |
| 20:38.18 | SimAtWork | then you're done |
| 20:38.24 | SimAtWork | watch out for the dirty pigeons |
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| 20:40.16 | hogejo | SimAtWork: what version of Kopete |
| 20:40.24 | hogejo | where is colors -> coloured nicks? |
| 20:41.20 | Half-Left | Ooo, look at all this svn goodness tonight |
| 20:41.44 | Kenichiro | Wanna Play Fun RPG game ? /q me or join #HypeRPG |
| 20:42.14 | Half-Left | you spoil us :p |
| 20:42.28 | tictric | apropos Konversation |
| 20:42.42 | tictric | Version: 1.0.1+ #3214 |
| 20:42.52 | djouallah | Half-Left, ? |
| 20:43.20 | tictric | one machine with hardy and kde4.1beta2 only |
| 20:44.05 | tictric | osd does not work |
| 20:44.05 | tictric | other machine same installation |
| 20:44.05 | tictric | different hardware osd does work |
| 20:44.05 | tictric | any suggestions? |
| 20:44.16 | tictric | in kde3.5.9 it works on either machine |
| 20:44.47 | tictric | #konversation's veeery quiet :) |
| 20:45.39 | Half-Left | djouallah: lots of svn trunk goodies |
| 20:46.06 | djouallah | do u mean cursur thing |
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| 20:46.20 | Kenichiro | Wanna Play Fun RPG game ? /q me or join #HypeRPG |
| 20:47.19 | Half-Left | just generally |
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| 20:48.20 | Half-Left | builds release mode for the time being, not crashes :) |
| 20:48.20 | SimAtWork | hogejo: sorry.. i thought you said konvesation |
| 20:48.22 | djouallah | ok happy that you are happy tonight |
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| 20:48.46 | hogejo | SimAtWork: hmm.. never do that one. |
| 20:49.17 | Half-Left | I was happy last night and the night before :p |
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| 20:51.32 | djouallah | Half-Left, pffffffffff i am trying to be kind ;) why do implied you were not happy before, british humor ;) |
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| 20:52.04 | hacksilber | so kde4, any idea how to bind winkey to kickoff? |
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| 20:56.10 | Half-Left | build baby, build!! |
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| 20:57.17 | timri | hacksilber: |
| 20:57.17 | timri | If it has not changed since 3.5.9 the short answer is "you cannot". Win is a modifier (like ctrl etc.) and someone didnt like the special-casing needed to make it work. |
| 20:57.17 | timri | That being said, you could try http://tuxtraining.com/2008/03/04/make-the-windows-key-on-your-keyboard-open-kmenu-in-kde/ |
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| 20:58.37 | Half-Left | They sure didn't make keyboards future proof |
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| 20:59.22 | timri | Half-Left: The layout hasnt changed much in 100+ years though. |
| 21:01.41 | Half-Left | timri: I mean the windows key |
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| 21:02.26 | SimAtWork | Half-Left: future proof? |
| 21:02.30 | SimAtWork | Half-Left: in what way? |
| 21:02.32 | timri | Half-Left: I disagree. Precisely because Win is a modifier it makes it more futureproof |
| 21:02.43 | SimAtWork | it's not a windows key, it's a linkey |
| 21:02.55 | timri | Anyway: My kmenu opens with Ctrl+Esc or Win+space :) |
| 21:03.33 | SimAtWork | i wish there where more modifiers though |
| 21:03.57 | Half-Left | SimAtWork: Win key is not future proof, i.e other OS's would need to modify it so |
| 21:04.13 | SimAtWork | Half-Left: it's only a name. call it a lin-key. |
| 21:04.16 | SimAtWork | the it's future proofed. |
| 21:04.47 | Half-Left | It's got a log on it, so it's not |
| 21:04.48 | SimAtWork | the eee pc doesn't even have a linkey |
| 21:04.50 | timri | Half-Left: The Eee Pc uses a little house instead of the MS Windows logo. |
| 21:04.51 | Half-Left | logo* |
| 21:05.18 | Half-Left | timri: Right which is future proof |
| 21:05.18 | SimAtWork | i need to install either ubuntu or gentoo on my eee pc |
| 21:05.22 | timri | heh |
| 21:05.25 | SimAtWork | Half-Left: it's just a name. who cares. |
| 21:05.56 | SimAtWork | if it bugs you that much, buy a bag of dog stickers from the dollar store and start calling it the puppykey |
| 21:07.14 | Half-Left | I'm saying it's not future proof, which means it has to be changed when other OS's are used |
| 21:07.15 | timri | SimAtWork: there's also eeeXubuntu |
| 21:07.56 | SimAtWork | timri: have you tried it? is it good? |
| 21:08.04 | SimAtWork | does it use kde? |
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| 21:08.19 | timri | SimAtWork: Have not tried it, and it uses XFCE (?) |
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| 21:08.52 | SimAtWork | doh |
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| 21:09.51 | Half-Left | A keyboard should be generic in it how it works and looks, not stamped with Windows logo for a action that dont do the samething in other OS's |
| 21:10.47 | timri | Half-Left: Use morsecode http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:J38TelegraphKey.jpg |
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| 21:11.36 | Half-Left | I wouldn't expect them to put a Penguin key on a eeepc either :p |
| 21:12.10 | SimAtWork | Half-Left: don't you thikn there are more important things to worry about than the icon that is on a modifier key though? |
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| 21:12.25 | SimAtWork | Half-Left: like the fact that nvidia is refusing to make open source drivers |
| 21:12.40 | Half-Left | SimAtWork: Like global warming yer I suppose |
| 21:12.54 | timri | SimAtWork: I concur. I've always hated the Pause/Break key. |
| 21:13.29 | SimAtWork | pause break is ok.... the caps lock key on the other hand.... |
| 21:13.49 | Half-Left | SimAtWork: Thats always been the case, nvidia have a right not to if they so wish |
| 21:13.51 | SimAtWork | actually, there is something i wanna fix big time caue i've had at least 5 people in this office complain to me about it |
| 21:14.10 | SimAtWork | anyone know how ic ould make it so if i drag a url to the desktop (from say, firefox) it'll create a url link instead of asking for a file name? |
| 21:14.13 | timri | SimAtWork: OK? the thing doesnt generate a scancode half of the time. Btw: to whet your appetite: http://eeeph.com/index.php/topic,470.msg6509.html |
| 21:15.10 | SimAtWork | wow |
| 21:15.11 | SimAtWork | compiz! |
| 21:15.14 | SimAtWork | i love compiz |
| 21:15.14 | SimAtWork | ok |
| 21:15.22 | SimAtWork | i guess i'm installing eeeXubuntu! |
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| 21:16.19 | Half-Left | compiz is good if you like GTK window managers :) |
| 21:16.29 | SimAtWork | what |
| 21:16.36 | SimAtWork | i use compiz-fusion with kde all the time |
| 21:16.38 | SimAtWork | it's a great match |
| 21:17.06 | Half-Left | you dont get KDE window features |
| 21:17.26 | Half-Left | it's not even fully complient with GNOME |
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| 21:18.04 | SimAtWork | Half-Left: like what? |
| 21:18.22 | Half-Left | like KDE window manager features |
| 21:18.23 | SimAtWork | i do miss some of the kwin options.. like window specific settings. |
| 21:18.29 | SimAtWork | but you know.. pretty well every other feature is there |
| 21:18.49 | Half-Left | right, it just does metacity ones and even thats not fully complient |
| 21:18.51 | SimAtWork | can you name one that is missing other than window specific settings? |
| 21:19.08 | SimAtWork | i think you are talkinga bout an old old old version of compiz and not compiz-fusion at all |
| 21:19.47 | Half-Left | really?, because I ran it and all it had was metacity features, nothing kwin at all |
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| 21:20.13 | SimAtWork | Half-Left: can you be more specific? |
| 21:20.17 | SimAtWork | like.. what feature |
| 21:20.29 | SimAtWork | oh, and i can't set windows bordersless |
| 21:20.29 | Half-Left | Like I said, it does respect GNOME window placements like metacity |
| 21:20.32 | SimAtWork | which actually is a pain. |
| 21:20.44 | SimAtWork | but i use that very very rarely anyhow |
| 21:20.57 | Half-Left | I'm just saying |
| 21:21.55 | Half-Left | I think kwin's implementation is much better for KDE, compiz was developed with GNOME in mind after all |
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| 21:24.33 | Half-Left | SimAtWork: compiz is the cool kid that gets all the attention, but not right in the head :p |
| 21:25.17 | SimAtWork | they both do prety much the same thing |
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| 21:25.30 | SimAtWork | only fusion looks and feels fantastic |
| 21:26.35 | SimAtWork | man i love the fsview |
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| 21:29.19 | supert0nes | do plasma apps get the same focus as other windows? It would be nice to be able to use the mouse scroll through folderview |
| 21:29.33 | Half-Left | only you can't use oxygen boarder and have to use emerald or metacity themes :p |
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| 21:30.24 | Half-Left | supert0nes: They get focus yes |
| 21:30.34 | supert0nes | oh nevermind... when i bring plasma to the front it allows for mouse scrolling. I think compiz may be the problem |
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| 21:30.46 | PadreBananas | please help |
| 21:30.58 | PadreBananas | is possible to compile kdebindings on slackware? |
| 21:30.59 | PadreBananas | :( |
| 21:31.01 | PadreBananas | 4.0.84 |
| 21:31.04 | PadreBananas | looooooooooooooong |
| 21:31.04 | Half-Left | Again, another issue :p |
| 21:31.06 | PadreBananas | :( |
| 21:31.17 | PadreBananas | i've solved the phonon issue... |
| 21:31.21 | PadreBananas | now i type make.. |
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| 21:31.33 | PadreBananas | after 20 minutes...54% :( |
| 21:31.36 | Half-Left | No you sorry |
| 21:32.05 | PadreBananas | sipkdeuipart0.cpp:35916: warning: âcontextMenuEnabledâ is deprecated (declared at /opt/kde4/include/ktoolbar.h:128) |
| 21:32.07 | PadreBananas | |
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| 21:33.00 | PadreBananas | i think is a memory leak.. |
| 21:33.08 | PadreBananas | what the fuckin hell.. |
| 21:33.15 | Half-Left | supert0nes: they get focus onver other plasma widgets not windows |
| 21:33.47 | PadreBananas | if someone want to help |
| 21:33.48 | PadreBananas | http://pastebin.com/m7d3be584 |
| 21:33.49 | Half-Left | over* |
| 21:33.58 | supert0nes | i have a scroll between desktops feature in compiz and it chooses that over scrolling in foldeview |
| 21:34.46 | Half-Left | Well compiz has it's own mind in KDE |
| 21:35.04 | supert0nes | i know but damn there are just some things very hard to get rid of |
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| 21:35.20 | Half-Left | It's a window manager after all |
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| 21:45.39 | jals | hey how can i resize the launcher icons on the panel in kde4? |
| 21:45.42 | jals | they're rather large |
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| 21:46.46 | Half-Left | 4.1? |
| 21:47.15 | blizzzek | hi, is it possible to use regexp in folderviews filter, and if so: how? |
| 21:47.32 | jals | Half-Left, yes |
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| 21:48.01 | Half-Left | Right click pane>Panel settings and resize it |
| 21:48.10 | jals | i don't want to resize the whole panel |
| 21:48.14 | jals | just the launcher icons |
| 21:48.25 | Half-Left | eh? |
| 21:48.32 | jals | the shortcut icons |
| 21:48.36 | jals | like firefox, amarok |
| 21:48.39 | Half-Left | How can you make the icons bigger without the panel being bigger? |
| 21:48.47 | jals | i want them smaller, like 2 rows |
| 21:48.55 | Vortex375 | you can't do that in kde3 either, they always fill out all available vertical space |
| 21:49.16 | jals | they were 2 rows in kde3 for me |
| 21:49.28 | jals | 2 rows of smaller icons |
| 21:49.38 | Half-Left | You you scale the panel the icons will get bigger, though not in trunk no more as yet |
| 21:49.51 | jals | eh ok, i can live i guess |
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| 21:50.48 | Vortex375 | is there a way I can move/rearrange element on the panel in kde 4.1? |
| 21:51.12 | Half-Left | no |
| 21:51.22 | Half-Left | 4.2 will |
| 21:51.43 | Half-Left | you have to take them out and re add |
| 21:52.08 | Vortex375 | well that sucks, because you have to choose all settings all over again (like for the clock) |
| 21:52.31 | Half-Left | yep for now |
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| 21:53.13 | Vortex375 | and I'm also missing the option "Add as QuickBrowser" when you drop a folder onto the panel - I hope that will reappear in 4.2 |
| 21:53.17 | SimAtWork | you guys talk way tooo much |
| 21:53.21 | SimAtWork | i have a log file for #kde |
| 21:53.23 | SimAtWork | 273 mb lol |
| 21:53.56 | blizzzek | so no idea about folderview? |
| 21:53.59 | SimAtWork | Vortex375: i'm not using kde 4 yet.. but can' you back up the settings for the clock and then restore them? |
| 21:55.08 | Vortex375 | SimAtWork: I wouldn't know how - all I can do is right-click and choose "configure clock". then when I remove and re-add it, all settings are back to default values |
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| 21:58.19 | Kebianizao | Hello |
| 21:59.40 | Kebianizao | could anyone confirm this for konqueror 4.1:when having one konqueror instance already open, run konqueror from a konsole. In this new instance go to konqueror preferences->plugins |
| 22:00.20 | Kebianizao | can you see the regular dialog?I'm seeing a warning telling that another dialog instance is already running |
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| 22:03.25 | techouse | i'm running kde 3.5.8 on freebsd 7.0 and i'm wonderin why there are no compression option shown when i rightclick a file (i have all the compressors installed) |
| 22:04.08 | Half-Left | techouse: You need kdeutils most lightly |
| 22:04.36 | techouse | hmm..ok |
| 22:04.38 | techouse | :) |
| 22:04.54 | Half-Left | which contains Ark |
| 22:05.21 | jals | i'm starting to dig kde 4 |
| 22:05.41 | Half-Left | Not into a hole I hope :p |
| 22:06.45 | jals | heh |
| 22:06.53 | jals | i was apprehensive, but actually, it's quite smart |
| 22:06.59 | jals | and once it's out of beta i'm sure it'll be even better |
| 22:07.11 | techouse | Half-Left: i have kdeutils and ark |
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| 22:07.24 | nightrow | question for kde4 dev : is the new startup menu being reworked ? i don't know why i currently have to said 2 time that i want to shut to pc down ... |
| 22:07.49 | techouse | i'm wondering why there's no tar.gz, 7zip etc |
| 22:08.34 | techouse | but i'll recompile them |
| 22:08.37 | techouse | let's see not |
| 22:08.40 | techouse | now* |
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| 22:09.42 | Half-Left | nightrow: You mean it dont shutdown proper from the menu option? |
| 22:10.37 | nightrow | i mean i have to said to shut down, and then a new window open asking me if i want to shut it down, logout or restart it |
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| 22:11.45 | Half-Left | nightrow: Well it's confirmation thats all, it's easy to hit shutdown by accident and then it just shuts down |
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| 22:13.03 | nightrow | well a confirmation window would be easier to understant, atm it's like it have to tell it 2 time the same thing ... |
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| 22:14.25 | Half-Left | nightrow: Yes it's a important confirmation, people bind keys to it or keyboards have shutdown keys, may kid has done that quiet a few times |
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| 22:14.55 | Half-Left | Press one key and it shuts down |
| 22:15.02 | techouse | lol |
| 22:15.06 | techouse | sick |
| 22:15.28 | nightrow | ok, see like that, why not |
| 22:15.40 | Half-Left | Yer there evil, if you have kids there nothign but headaches |
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| 22:16.25 | techouse | Half-Left: make a jail or chmod :D |
| 22:16.35 | techouse | and put them into that |
| 22:16.38 | techouse | xD |
| 22:16.42 | Half-Left | lol |
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| 22:20.08 | abhishek | I recently created a rpm using krpmbuilder everthing seemed to fine later i realize that the package is not properly formed as the program is not starting giving following error : ICE default IO error handler doing an exit( ), pid = 19127, errno = 11 |
| 22:20.44 | techouse | abhishek: compile from source and install from there? |
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| 22:21.33 | techouse | try using checkinstall if you're on linux |
| 22:21.42 | abhishek | yes my tar.gz is working after compiling and running but i want my rpm to work |
| 22:21.53 | techouse | checkinstall it |
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| 22:22.05 | techouse | get the svn to some dir |
| 22:22.11 | techouse | go into it |
| 22:22.16 | techouse | configure the thing |
| 22:22.19 | SimAtWork | i need my computer to be faster |
| 22:22.26 | SimAtWork | i think i have finally reaached enough ram though.. |
| 22:22.27 | techouse | and run checkinstll -R or something |
| 22:22.32 | techouse | -D = .deb |
| 22:22.39 | techouse | i dunno what's .rpm |
| 22:22.52 | SimAtWork | rpm is french for dog turd. |
| 22:22.52 | techouse | but it will make an .rpm and install it |
| 22:22.58 | techouse | lol |
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| 22:23.20 | timri | SimAtWork: Merde de chien? |
| 22:23.26 | abhishek | actually i have made the rpm using kde rpm buider |
| 22:23.28 | SimAtWork | wii wii |
| 22:23.32 | timri | heh |
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| 22:25.26 | abhishek | during the building process i could make out that there was an uexpected exit IO error the rpm was formed in the i386 folder and got installed also but the program is givin the mentioned error |
| 22:25.43 | Half-Left | what the hell!, svn up is not working |
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| 22:29.06 | abhishek | Daante: I recently created a rpm using krpmbuilder everthing seemed to fine later i realize that the package is not properly formed as the program is not starting giving following error : ICE default IO error handler doing an exit( ), pid = 19127, errno = 11 |
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| 23:00.26 | oneforall | so is this phonon going to stay bundled with qt or kdelibs ? I heard it might be with kdelibs . |
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| 23:01.34 | pinotree | no more |
| 23:03.34 | oneforall | no more as in kdelibs ? |
| 23:04.14 | pinotree | yes |
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| 23:04.23 | oneforall | thanks |
| 23:04.37 | pinotree | oneforall: it's shipped with qt, or as standalone product |
| 23:04.45 | pinotree | no more, as in no more with kdelibs |
| 23:05.42 | oneforall | hmm found out for it to build in qt i needed gstreamer built first . so now deside if i rebiuuild it or do it as aseperate package :0 |
| 23:05.52 | oneforall | 2nd is a bit tempting right now |
| 23:06.20 | oneforall | at their page thou and don't see a link to dowload it seperate |
| 23:06.42 | pinotree | qt's phonon is not enough for kde 4.1 |
| 23:06.48 | oneforall | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/ svn thou |
| 23:06.56 | pinotree | you need to get it from svn, branches/phonon/4.2 |
| 23:07.31 | oneforall | ok then I'mm make the seperate package then |
| 23:07.54 | oneforall | I have qt-r819958 |
| 23:08.41 | oneforall | that the right trunk I posted there |
| 23:08.52 | pinotree | ?? |
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| 23:09.01 | oneforall | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/phonon/ |
| 23:09.47 | pinotree | <pinotree> you need to get it from svn, branches/phonon/4.2 |
| 23:11.23 | oneforall | that where I end up from the links for dowload O.o |
| 23:11.37 | pinotree | ? |
| 23:11.40 | oneforall | or the 4.0 so far |
| 23:11.57 | oneforall | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started |
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| 23:13.03 | oneforall | svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.1/appname this should work right |
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| 23:13.19 | oneforall | err 4.2 |
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| 23:20.00 | oneforall | vn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.2/phonon didn't work |
| 23:20.54 | lemma | oneforall: you need ../branches/phonon/4.2 as pino stated :) |
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| 23:22.01 | oneforall | oh damn was reading as 4.2/phonon |
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| 23:23.13 | oneforall | ok should I add spave the phonon so it makes the phonon dir . because that weird haqveing the version number at the end |
| 23:23.19 | oneforall | spave/space |
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| 23:23.48 | oneforall | normallly used to svn being the name at the end and then space name_you_want |
| 23:24.16 | lemma | oneforall: kde svn is complicated :) branches/KDE/x.x contains the KDE sources for the x.x version |
| 23:24.32 | lemma | oneforall: branches/phonon/x.x contains the sources for phonon |
| 23:24.52 | lemma | oneforall: that's because phonon is not a part of the KDE release (more or less) |
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| 23:27.04 | oneforall | svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/phonon/4.2 phonon ok that works ;) |
| 23:28.16 | lemma | :D |
| 23:28.52 | Hoenikker | how do i uninstall the "scrollbar fix", it just doesn't look good in firefox (makes the checkboxes/tabs look weird) |
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| 23:30.15 | oneforall | is there a web base for that too ? |
| 23:30.18 | lemma | Hoenikker: maybe this helps https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/21816 |
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| 23:30.57 | Hoenikker | i just now realized it's an ubuntu question, sorry |
| 23:31.18 | hunger | Is there a way to get rid of those cashews in the top left corner of a kde4.1 desktop? |
| 23:31.22 | lemma | Hoenikker: np :) at least I learned what the "scrollbar fix" is |
| 23:32.02 | lemma | oneforall: sorry, I didn't get you. a webpage for what? phonon? and if so, user or developer related? |
| 23:33.05 | oneforall | no to view that branch.trunk |
| 23:33.18 | lemma | oneforall: ooh, of course :) http://websvn.kde.org |
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| 23:39.05 | oneforall | ok this is weid CMake Error: Did not find automoc4 (part of kdesupport) then how does qt build it with out that installed first |
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| 23:39.31 | pinotree | qt does not use cmake |
| 23:39.37 | Jucato | oneforall: automoc isn't necessary for Qt. moc != automoc |
| 23:40.12 | Jucato | waves to pinotree |
| 23:41.14 | oneforall | so then for phonon seperate package you do kde first then phonon or at least the kdesupport one eh |
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| 23:42.11 | Jucato | oneforall: phonon requires automoc, so kdesupport -> phonon -> kdelibs |
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| 23:44.15 | Jucato | btw, it's always kdesupport (which isn't part of a KDE release) before KDE. phonon used to be in kdesupport iirc, so it's part of the group |
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| 23:50.45 | oneforall | hmm I never got tat one but I was trying to do all the deps first and make a list ;) |
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| 23:52.41 | oneforall | in a final package is that bundles in one ? |
| 23:52.47 | Jucato | nope |
| 23:52.55 | oneforall | kdesupport |
| 23:53.24 | Jucato | kdesupport are made up of packages that are developed in KDE and are required by some modules in KDE (not necessarily always kdelibs or kdebase). they are packaged separately |
| 23:53.45 | oneforall | well weird http://kde4.rlworkman.net/source/kde/ I'm looking at his for slackware and I don't see kdesupport and yet he compiled phonon-4.1.83.tar.bz2 o.O |
| 23:54.27 | Jucato | oneforall: each library or part of kdesupport is usually packaged separately. there is no "kdesupport" package |
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| 23:54.53 | Jucato | (of course that still depends on the distro... but... that would be foolish to packge it into one monolithic thing) |
| 23:55.15 | oneforall | ok thats what I meant was it part of some other package when the final src is zipped uiup and ready to go :) oir well other packages |
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| 23:55.29 | oneforall | uiup/up |
| 23:55.56 | Jucato | <Jucato> kdesupport are made up of packages that are developed in KDE and are required by some modules in KDE (not necessarily always kdelibs or kdebase). **they are packaged separately ** :D |
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