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| 00:09.48 | cpuobsessed | will KDE4 run on windows replacing whatever desktop(explorer) is running? |
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| 00:34.33 | Kenter | hi people! |
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| 00:40.13 | Kenter | it's everybody alive? |
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| 00:44.37 | aseigo | Kenter: i'm pretending i'm dead. ;) |
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| 00:45.51 | Kenter | i'm think too |
| 00:45.53 | Kenter | =\ |
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| 00:46.50 | Kenter | it's kde channel or not? |
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| 00:47.15 | Kenter | =\ |
| 00:47.30 | Jucato | this is the KDE user support channel, yes |
| 00:47.33 | Jucato | apokryphos: congratulations! :) |
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| 00:48.13 | Kenter | can i make a question? |
| 00:48.30 | Jucato | yes? |
| 00:48.43 | Kenter | i have troubles with layouts... |
| 00:49.08 | Jucato | what layouts? |
| 00:49.44 | Kenter | Ctrl+alt+K switching to next layout and not switching back... sorry for my bad english ) |
| 00:49.53 | Kenter | keyboard layouts ) |
| 00:50.10 | Jucato | ah... I don't know about keyboard layouts, sorry |
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| 00:50.18 | Kenter | =\ |
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| 00:51.27 | icwiener | aseigo: If Jonney attends, please tell him, he could make a little child (me) happy with one of those white boxes, as well. :D |
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| 00:51.27 | Kenter | nice talking =\ |
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| 00:58.34 | joko | Hi... Is there any way to start specific applications only in a specific desktop? |
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| 01:23.06 | acid-trip | i have a *.ktheme |
| 01:23.09 | acid-trip | how do i compile it |
| 01:23.09 | acid-trip | :/ |
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| 02:01.40 | jeringuilla | I like install kguitar |
| 02:01.55 | jeringuilla | and I need a help |
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| 02:09.55 | jodua | If my keyboard volup and voldown buttons are being detected in the kde command settings how can i map them to adjust the volume? |
| 02:10.21 | Jucato | Kmix -> Settings -> Configure Global Shortcuts? |
| 02:10.52 | jodua | beautiful thanks lol |
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| 02:11.26 | jodua | err.. this is strange .. but it only goes up and down 11% |
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| 02:11.42 | Jucato | kubuntu 7.10 right? |
| 02:11.52 | jodua | sabayon 3.4f |
| 02:11.59 | UPX_LOL | Hello guys, I have a question why do I need to use upx to execute binary files such as .exe on linux |
| 02:12.05 | Jucato | hm.. |
| 02:12.13 | Jucato | jodua: try asking in #sabayon |
| 02:12.16 | jodua | k thanks |
| 02:12.25 | Jucato | kubuntu has a similar problem... probably with the kmilo version |
| 02:12.34 | UPX_LOL | Without using upx command i would never beable to run a binary executiblae such as example: "upx wow.exe" for the first time then never again needed |
| 02:13.39 | Jucato | 1. It's not a KDE question. 2. .exe are not Linux programs, so you can't run them normally in Linux without some other program |
| 02:13.58 | UPX_LOL | Well I am using kde |
| 02:14.06 | UPX_LOL | i can never run .exe files on kde but gnome |
| 02:14.45 | UPX_LOL | however it doesnt always have to end with an .exe file it c an be any executible made by linux that doesnt show .exe |
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| 02:15.23 | UPX_LOL | Do you think I should find another channel instead of this then? |
| 02:15.37 | troy | UPX_LOL: I think "upx" is somethign none of us will have ever heard of :) |
| 02:15.53 | Jucato | 3. it's still not a KDE question, because of #2. 4. wow isn't even a kde app. 5. upx isn't a kde app either. 6. ask in your distro's channel or in the upx channel/list |
| 02:16.04 | Jucato | hi troy |
| 02:16.05 | UPX_LOL | im not talking about wow |
| 02:16.17 | Jucato | ok, upx then :) |
| 02:16.19 | UPX_LOL | my distribution channel doesnt know anything about my problem |
| 02:16.31 | Jucato | neither would we... this is the #kde channel :) |
| 02:16.52 | troy | UPX_LOL: you're trying to run windows programs, correct? using some sort of emulator? go talk to that emulater group to find out how it should work |
| 02:16.54 | Jucato | http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=2331 |
| 02:17.03 | Jucato | upx forums ^^^ |
| 02:17.04 | UPX_LOL | then i ask you how come i cannot run linux binary files such as typing ./epsxe from www.epsxe.com a free playstation emulator legal |
| 02:17.15 | UPX_LOL | i am not trying to run windows programs |
| 02:17.38 | UPX_LOL | To be clear I cannot execute anything binary, even linux binary executibles |
| 02:17.48 | UPX_LOL | if i can, it would be even stranger. |
| 02:17.56 | Jucato | that is a question that's perfect for your distro :) |
| 02:18.12 | Jucato | have you tried checking if your distro has a package for epsxe? |
| 02:18.16 | Jucato | most have |
| 02:18.29 | UPX_LOL | look its not about the packager that works or not, its about getting binary executibles to work |
| 02:19.03 | Jucato | UPX_LOL: yes.. it's also about how your distro allows you to do these things |
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| 02:19.16 | UPX_LOL | i asked my distribution what library is responsible for running executibles |
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| 02:19.18 | Jucato | I said it once and I'll say it again: it is not a KDE issue |
| 02:19.24 | UPX_LOL | okay i will leave |
| 02:19.30 | UPX_LOL | my distribution doesnt know for sure |
| 02:19.38 | UPX_LOL | any recommendations besides my distribution |
| 02:19.40 | Jucato | time to change distros? |
| 02:19.43 | troy | UPX_LOL: #linux |
| 02:19.47 | UPX_LOL | Thanks |
| 02:19.55 | UPX_LOL | no need to change my problem sounds rare |
| 02:19.58 | Jucato | there is no single library to run all programs |
| 02:20.13 | troy | Jucato: well, there is the elf stuff, but that's not KDE either :) |
| 02:20.15 | Jucato | different programs - different requirements - different ways of running |
| 02:20.19 | Jucato | troy: :P |
| 02:20.45 | UPX_LOL | linux trovald for the win |
| 02:20.51 | UPX_LOL | oops spelled his name wrong |
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| 02:21.05 | acid-trip | ok |
| 02:21.11 | acid-trip | simply how to compile and install new themes |
| 02:21.13 | troy | that was fun :P |
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| 02:21.25 | kakalto | troy: xDD |
| 02:21.37 | kakalto | perhaps IRC was hardcoded into his BIOS. |
| 02:21.43 | kakalto | I really don't know. |
| 02:21.44 | kakalto | :P |
| 02:22.04 | kakalto | s/BIOS/ROM |
| 02:22.26 | Jucato | s/ROM/brain/ |
| 02:22.34 | Jucato | acid-trip: what kind of theme is it? |
| 02:22.41 | kakalto | lol |
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| 02:23.01 | acid-trip | Final_Fantasy.ktheme |
| 02:23.23 | Jucato | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-theme.html |
| 02:23.30 | Jucato | more info: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-desktop.html |
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| 02:25.09 | acid-trip | Jucato, when i do it that way |
| 02:25.17 | acid-trip | it comes up improper theme file |
| 02:25.20 | acid-trip | or some crap like that |
| 02:25.20 | acid-trip | :/ |
| 02:25.27 | Jucato | ah wait, did you say .ktheme? |
| 02:25.41 | Jucato | oh that's a KDE 2 theme... doesn't work on KDE 3 afaik |
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| 02:37.13 | acid-trip | :/ |
| 02:37.24 | acid-trip | Jucato, Final Fantasy KDE 3.1 theme |
| 02:37.55 | Jucato | hm... sorry no clue.. all I know is, .ktheme doesn't work anymore... |
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| 02:40.49 | troy | acid-trip: you might have better luck extracting the contents (I believe it should be tar or tar.gz compatibile or similar) and applying the parts manually, then saving the result as a new theme... |
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| 02:42.15 | acid-trip | troy, Final Fantasy.themerc |
| 02:42.22 | acid-trip | would that theme file work? |
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| 02:44.10 | troy | *shrug* I haven't used themes in ages - I usually leave things pretty close to the defaults unless I have a problem with things :) |
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| 02:44.22 | troy | I probably haven't touched that module in like 5 years :) |
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| 02:44.54 | Jucato | except when you install a new distro :P |
| 02:45.11 | Jucato | kubuntu & ubuntu cd's just got delivered today :( |
| 02:45.32 | dasKreech | that's bad? |
| 02:45.42 | Jucato | oh. I meant :) |
| 02:45.44 | Jucato | hahaha |
| 02:45.46 | Jucato | too busy reading :P |
| 02:46.00 | dasKreech | My biggest critics always complain about my defaults |
| 02:46.16 | dasKreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.35 | Jucato | good luck :) |
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| 02:46.46 | Jucato | (still the same last I checked) |
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| 02:48.27 | troy | wow! found a new konsole feature just now, quite by accident - I'm impressed! |
| 02:48.40 | dasKreech | Yeah I do that like once a month |
| 02:49.05 | troy | I was going to copy a link from konsole so I can open it in konq, and as I hovered over the url, konsole turned my cursor into a hand and let me open it directly in the browser! wow! |
| 02:49.09 | dasKreech | It's kinda getting hard to consistently be impressed by KDE's Uberness |
| 02:49.15 | Jucato | Konsole 4 I presume |
| 02:49.18 | dasKreech | no |
| 02:49.19 | troy | Jucato: yeah |
| 02:49.26 | Jucato | dasKreech: :P |
| 02:49.27 | dasKreech | you can do it for emailadresses as well |
| 02:49.37 | dasKreech | as I recall |
| 02:49.43 | Jucato | dasKreech: I meant in Konsole for KDE 4. |
| 02:50.05 | troy | dasKreech: I'm not talking about klipper detecting the clipboard contents - I'm talking about konsole itself knowing that it was a link in the middle of my cmake output :) |
| 02:50.10 | dasKreech | Oh yeah |
| 02:50.12 | Jucato | troy: yeah. one of the most asked features in Konsole which gnome-terminal already had. but it annoys the hell out of annma :) |
| 02:50.20 | troy | hahaha |
| 02:50.28 | dasKreech | troy is all aboutz the Fut-ah! |
| 02:50.41 | Jucato | troy: it would be good if it could be turned on/off maybe... |
| 02:50.52 | dwinslow | what's annoying about it? |
| 02:50.55 | Jucato | but I don't mind it. :) |
| 02:51.09 | dwinslow | hard to select parts of text that's detected as a link? |
| 02:51.20 | Jucato | dwinslow: when you accidentally click on it when you're trying to select |
| 02:51.23 | Jucato | yeah |
| 02:51.34 | dasKreech | dwinslow: having people pop windows all the time |
| 02:51.57 | troy | I like it, as most of the time, I'd be wanting to open the link anyway :) |
| 02:52.01 | dasKreech | Though if it has the konqueror progress bar I dont' see an issue |
| 02:52.58 | dwinslow | and then selection would still be doable |
| 02:53.19 | Jucato | that would go against the single-click policy? :D |
| 02:53.24 | Jucato | bwahahah! |
| 02:53.26 | troy | dwinslow: it would work, but it's consistent with other KDE apps :) |
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| 02:53.37 | troy | rather, it's not consistent |
| 02:53.40 | dwinslow | ah |
| 02:53.42 | Jucato | see? I guessed right :) |
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| 02:54.14 | dwinslow | i have it set that way as well |
| 02:54.18 | dasKreech | I like single click |
| 02:54.29 | Cipher_ | how can disble debug when compiling kde4 ??? |
| 02:54.41 | dasKreech | Konqueror pops up a progress window before the actual konqueror window so I just kill that |
| 02:54.50 | dasKreech | No biggie |
| 02:54.54 | Jucato | except when trying to select files in Konqueror icon view mode... gets annoying after a while... |
| 02:55.36 | Cipher_ | -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull <<< what is the option '??? debugdisable/no option |
| 02:55.46 | dwinslow | well even with the single-click setup you can ctrl+click to select things |
| 02:58.37 | Jucato | dwinslow: yeah.. but that gets a bit tiring after almost 2 years :( |
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| 02:58.38 | dwinslow | i usually don't hold the ctrl key down that long |
| 02:58.38 | Jucato | although double-click stresses the fingers too :) |
| 02:58.38 | troy | Cipher_: that's a good question - try #kde4-devel for more... |
| 02:58.38 | troy | Cipher_: there's probably also something that strips the binaries during the install as well - not sure what that option is |
| 02:58.38 | Cipher_ | thnkz |
| 02:58.38 | Jucato | dwinslow: have you tried selecting multiple files one by one (because they're not beside each other)? and accidentally opened one of the files instead? |
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| 02:58.38 | Jucato | you'd have to hold the Ctrl key that long and steady :) |
| 02:58.49 | dwinslow | nah, you could take breaks as long as you didn't click anything else |
| 02:58.56 | Jucato | hehe that's the problem :) |
| 02:59.03 | dwinslow | anyway I do ~all of my file management from bash |
| 02:59.27 | Jucato | where no clicks matter :P |
| 02:59.40 | dwinslow | well, my keyboard kind of clicks when I type :D |
| 02:59.59 | Jucato | where no *mouse* clicks matter :P |
| 03:00.06 | dwinslow | you've got me there |
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| 03:01.39 | dasKreech | Jucato: and they have no pattern? |
| 03:02.00 | Jucato | ? |
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| 03:02.07 | dasKreech | Jucato: I normally just hit ^F and narrow down the stuff showing and select those |
| 03:02.32 | Jucato | ah yeah, no pattern |
| 03:02.33 | dwinslow | globs in the address bar work too, dasKreech |
| 03:02.34 | Jucato | wild mix |
| 03:02.37 | dasKreech | Either select all and then deselect |
| 03:02.49 | Jucato | I can probably use *letter* :) |
| 03:02.49 | dasKreech | dwinslow: yeah I know but I tend to have all like files in one folder |
| 03:03.12 | dasKreech | Jucato: how foten do you do wild mixes? |
| 03:03.15 | dasKreech | often |
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| 03:03.57 | Jucato | let's just say that I don't have like files in one folder except for multimedia |
| 03:04.04 | Jucato | so how often? always |
| 03:04.42 | dasKreech | can't you just search on the metadata ? |
| 03:04.56 | dwinslow | dasKreech: with what? |
| 03:05.08 | dasKreech | Kfind |
| 03:05.31 | Jucato | yay... that really solves my single-click problem doesn't it? :) |
| 03:05.46 | dwinslow | :) |
| 03:06.09 | Jucato | so in order not to be annoyed by single-clicking multiple files and accidentally opening one instead of adding to the selected group, I Ctrl+F and search by "metadata"... |
| 03:06.13 | Jucato | :D |
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| 03:07.05 | dasKreech | Works for me |
| 03:07.22 | dasKreech | then I can just either shift click or ctrl+A |
| 03:07.59 | TheSimkin | Jucato: whre is metadata ? |
| 03:08.10 | TheSimkin | err, search by |
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| 03:09.11 | Jucato | dunno... dasKreech was the one that mentioned it :) |
| 03:09.19 | TheSimkin | hrm |
| 03:09.21 | dasKreech | Jucato: you started :) |
| 03:09.29 | Jucato | (by metadata, earlier, he meant something like "tagging") |
| 03:09.39 | dasKreech | I don't think anything else has me as excited for KDE4 |
| 03:09.46 | TheSimkin | hrm |
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| 03:10.33 | Jucato | is it there yet? |
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| 03:12.28 | dasKreech | no |
| 03:12.37 | dasKreech | may not even make 4.1 :-( |
| 03:13.02 | dasKreech | tureg is one of the very few who understand it and he's working with really new concepts and software |
| 03:13.18 | dasKreech | and he's rarely ever online |
| 03:14.12 | aseigo | dasKreech: dolphin already uses it. certainly the combination with contacts isn't there yet |
| 03:14.30 | dasKreech | I know it's being worked in |
| 03:14.30 | aseigo | dasKreech: but we already have nepomuk classes in kdelibs right now |
| 03:14.44 | dasKreech | but it's still just a storage of relationships .. as I get it |
| 03:14.51 | dasKreech | and then the apps leverage it |
| 03:15.04 | dasKreech | so it has to mature before it really makes the big splash |
| 03:15.04 | Jucato | aseigo!!! :) |
| 03:15.23 | dasKreech | I still don't get how it crosses with say akondi or khalki |
| 03:16.20 | dasKreech | I think you can do that with just strigi |
| 03:17.25 | aseigo | dasKreech: not really, nepomuk is also the tagging |
| 03:17.44 | aseigo | dasKreech: strigi is *just* an indexer. it understanding virtually nothing about relationships |
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| 03:18.16 | dasKreech | I know but it does know tags |
| 03:18.22 | aseigo | as for how it'll cross with akonadi (e.g.) is that akonadi will process mail / contacts / etc as they are stored/retreived and feed metadata through nepomuk into strigi |
| 03:18.32 | dasKreech | Wait wait |
| 03:18.42 | dasKreech | I thought nepomuk got info FROM strigi |
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| 03:18.53 | dasKreech | Isn't that strigi's job? |
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| 03:18.55 | aseigo | no |
| 03:18.58 | dasKreech | and nepomuk makes links? |
| 03:19.04 | aseigo | nepomuk creates the rdf graph |
| 03:19.08 | dasKreech | right |
| 03:19.12 | dasKreech | from it's own search? |
| 03:19.13 | aseigo | strigi indexes the contents of the graph |
| 03:19.24 | aseigo | when a query is done to find something in the graph, strigi is tapped |
| 03:19.31 | dasKreech | Yes I get that stigi indexs info from nepomuk |
| 03:19.40 | dasKreech | but nepomuk runs it's own file tracker? |
| 03:19.42 | aseigo | and then nepomuk can provide linkages from there (or perform further searches in the index based on those results) |
| 03:19.44 | aseigo | no no |
| 03:19.47 | aseigo | it has nothing to do with files |
| 03:19.48 | Jucato | :) |
| 03:20.07 | aseigo | you can index anything in strigi. that it does files is a side effect of the file system indexer, if you will |
| 03:20.19 | dasKreech | When you get a mail nepomuk doesn't keep anything on the file? just the relationship? |
| 03:20.20 | aseigo | nepomuk manages a graph of connections using rdf |
| 03:20.24 | dasKreech | right |
| 03:20.30 | aseigo | and uses strigi to index (and perform searches within) that graph |
| 03:20.35 | dasKreech | ah |
| 03:21.07 | aseigo | nepomuk: graph (relationships, etc), strigi: indexing |
| 03:21.20 | aseigo | "your chocolate's in my peanut butter" sort of thing |
| 03:21.39 | dasKreech | ha ha :) |
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| 03:21.55 | Jucato | good night aseigo! :) |
| 03:22.06 | dasKreech | aseigo: stay you man! |
| 03:23.44 | dasKreech | Yeah anyway nepomuk is way cooler than anything anyone else has remotely come up with |
| 03:23.50 | dasKreech | at least in my head |
| 03:24.10 | dasKreech | trueg poured cold water on my the first time I spoke about it. It's still way neater though |
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| 03:26.44 | dasKreech | Nooo |
| 03:26.46 | dasKreech | it's good |
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| 03:36.15 | BluesG | anyone?? KDesktop start with a blank page...cannot adjust screeensver & bckgrnd....needs help... |
| 03:37.10 | BluesG | anyone?? KDesktop start with a blank page...cannot adjust screeensver & bckgrnd....needs help... |
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| 03:38.51 | dasKreech | troy: are the slots for the release party filled? |
| 03:39.07 | dasKreech | BluesG: Kalm down |
| 03:39.30 | BluesG | daskreech...really needs help.. |
| 03:39.55 | dasKreech | BluesG: which distro? has it always been like that? what did you do? |
| 03:41.29 | BluesG | daskreech...no...after i done some updates...s"""t happend |
| 03:41.45 | BluesG | dasreech distro? |
| 03:41.55 | dasKreech | did the updates include kdesktop ? |
| 03:42.28 | BluesG | daskreech not sure...using Easy URPMI |
| 03:42.44 | dasKreech | Ah did you ask in #madriva ? |
| 03:42.49 | dasKreech | #mandriva even |
| 03:43.52 | BluesG | daskreech..now i'm in #mandriva #bigcat |
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| 03:44.19 | dasKreech | BluesG: they would be closer to the problem than we would right now |
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| 03:45.31 | troy | dasKreech: we still have more beds to fill :) |
| 03:45.46 | BluesG | daskreech..ok tahnks |
| 03:45.50 | dasKreech | troy: great getting tickets now |
| 03:46.22 | troy | dasKreech: send en email to release-event@kde.org to ensure we save a bed for you :) |
| 03:51.21 | dasKreech | troy: Soon as I know we are coming |
| 03:51.22 | dasKreech | :-) |
| 03:51.32 | dasKreech | do I have to mention anything special? |
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| 03:52.07 | dasKreech | I'm a complusive naturist? TheRegister mole? |
| 03:52.15 | troy | dasKreech: well, you can be as open as you'd like :) |
| 03:52.30 | troy | dasKreech: don't tell us you're a KDE nudist - we might reject you :P |
| 03:52.48 | dasKreech | But when it's kold I turn Blue! |
| 03:53.36 | dasKreech | wait |
| 03:53.43 | dasKreech | KDE4 Kopete? |
| 03:53.46 | troy | yeah :) |
| 03:54.11 | dasKreech | Is it compiled? |
| 03:54.47 | troy | mostly - it takes quite a long time to compile, with all the protocol plugins... |
| 03:54.56 | troy | I'll let you know in a minute or so :) |
| 03:55.34 | dasKreech | last time I pulled it was well over 50 megs of code |
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| 03:56.41 | troy | lots of compiler warnings, but it's compilation is enabled by default in kdenetwork right now, which is a good sign :) |
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| 04:03.20 | dasKreech | troy: 17-19 right? |
| 04:03.51 | troy | yeah |
| 04:05.15 | netuser__ | is there anyway to make kaffeine display softsubs properly? in vlc the subs will appear at both top and bottom with different coloured text, but kaffeine just puts it all at the bottom with same colour |
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| 04:09.15 | troy | kopete built... krfb failed before I could install kdenetwork though - I'll poke at it |
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| 04:14.14 | troy | dasKreech: kopete runs :) |
| 04:14.42 | dasKreech | and works? |
| 04:14.49 | dasKreech | Log into IRC here :) |
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| 04:15.34 | troy | no irc protocol listed (pretty much every other one is...) |
| 04:15.53 | dasKreech | yay! |
| 04:16.01 | dasKreech | I hated IRC in kopete |
| 04:16.10 | dasKreech | more ooomph for konvi :) |
| 04:16.20 | dasKreech | now if Sho_ would just port |
| 04:16.50 | troy | I'm not sure if irc is gone so much as it probably just didn't get built (because it's borked or something) |
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| 04:18.22 | dasKreech | ah well :) |
| 04:18.24 | dasKreech | want me to chat to you? |
| 04:18.29 | dasKreech | see if it crashes? |
| 04:19.07 | troy | I'm trying to set up jabber right now with my gmail account... will have to look up the server/port settings I need :) |
| 04:20.04 | dasKreech | it's name->save password -> passsword -> 6O |
| 04:20.06 | dasKreech | ^o |
| 04:20.23 | dasKreech | in connection check all three check boxes and change server to talk.google.com |
| 04:20.45 | Gaijin_Punch | It seems that artsd is not running correctly and i accidently supressed the warnng messages. I need to turn the messages back ON and then troubleshoot artsd |
| 04:21.17 | dasKreech | that should be all to get you on gmail |
| 04:21.23 | dasKreech | I run a lot of live cds ::) |
| 04:21.43 | troy | dasKreech: hahaha, no, I just punched in the settings, I'll see if I can get connected |
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| 04:22.09 | nsar | hello |
| 04:22.32 | troy | dasKreech: troy.unrau@gmail.com |
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| 04:23.59 | dasKreech | umm ok |
| 04:24.03 | nsar | in konqueror the default display format when you open folders is icons in view/view mode , i want to make it the default view mode everywhere to be the tree mode, how can i do that? |
| 04:24.05 | dasKreech | it says that name is invalid |
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| 04:24.55 | troy | weird - I see my contacts - the chat window opens... I can send messages |
| 04:25.31 | dasKreech | skreech2@gmail.com |
| 04:25.57 | troy | dasKreech: system tray icon is there and working - I can send and receive messages - and I get popup notifications of messages -- seems like it's working :) |
| 04:26.19 | dasKreech | yay! |
| 04:26.26 | dasKreech | kde 4.0 will be sufferable ! |
| 04:26.47 | troy | dasKreech: says you're offline |
| 04:26.56 | dasKreech | Lying bugger |
| 04:27.00 | nsar | what do you mean with this dasKreech, doesn't worth to use it? |
| 04:27.00 | dasKreech | said the same about you |
| 04:27.21 | dasKreech | nsar: I mean that those who are shortsighted will have one less arrow to point at us |
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| 04:29.01 | nsar | you had confused me saying "suffered" nevermind |
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| 04:29.22 | Gaijin_Punch | No clue how to get warning messages back? |
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| 04:29.36 | dasKreech | nsar: Before this there was no communication apps for KDE 4.0 that would have stung badly |
| 04:30.07 | nsar | so how i will change the default viewmode in konqueror? |
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| 04:30.54 | dasKreech | troy: I was pretty surprised that Ctrl+Shift+I worked in KDE4 :) |
| 04:31.05 | dasKreech | Just need Ctrl+Alt+A back :( |
| 04:31.06 | troy | oh oh! I saw notification of your messages (read them from the tray), but then kopete exploded :) |
| 04:31.28 | kaiden | Question for you fine people since the people talking in my distro channel dont seem to be all there, I did a install of sabayon and for some reason the grub portion messed up and i can't boot, does anyone know of a graphical grub configuration system i can throw on here real quick or maybe one that sabayon already comes with that i can envoke to fix this up |
| 04:31.29 | dasKreech | yay! |
| 04:31.37 | dasKreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.10 | troy | kaiden: don't know about sabayon specifically, but you might find an app at kde-apps.org |
| 04:32.32 | dasKreech | kaiden: or .. you know .. learn grub from the command line |
| 04:32.47 | dasKreech | probably find info way faster and take you less time |
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| 04:34.13 | nsar | where i can download user and administrators documentation of kde in pdf format? |
| 04:35.15 | Jucato | nsar: http://docs.kde.org |
| 04:37.05 | nsar | thanks |
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| 04:50.00 | troy | dasKreech: yeah? |
| 04:50.13 | troy | dasKreech: building kdepim now, to tickle that for functionality :) |
| 04:50.20 | dasKreech | please at least take a editorial job at ars |
| 04:50.50 | troy | I haven't severed all ties there - I just don't have time for it :) |
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| 04:51.09 | dasKreech | yeah did you see the latest KDE article? |
| 04:52.17 | troy | yeah - Will had me look it over before he submitted it :) |
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| 04:53.29 | dasKreech | Why didn't you make him put in a corresponding link for the other side of the scale? |
| 04:54.53 | troy | I liked that article - it perfectly fits our 'managing expectations' push on the press front right now - we're trying to ensure that the hype hasn't run away from us, and then we get killed in the press when they review 4.0 final... |
| 04:55.47 | dasKreech | Yes |
| 04:56.01 | dasKreech | but he has "People think KDE4 is not ready" with a link |
| 04:56.06 | dasKreech | did you look at the link? |
| 04:56.13 | dasKreech | It's huge! |
| 04:56.29 | dasKreech | It's not but it feels like a mountain of people complaing |
| 04:57.00 | troy | it's fine - I like the link since it's sends people interested in KDE over to the dot too :P |
| 04:57.02 | dasKreech | then he has other people feel this is the right way forward and no link to any voice of vision or sanity |
| 04:57.30 | dasKreech | I'm not saying I don't agree with the first link |
| 04:57.42 | dasKreech | but it has no counter point |
| 04:58.24 | dasKreech | It's actually a beef I have with ars in general |
| 04:58.24 | troy | dasKreech: I think it's fine - the counter point is based on his personal discussions with people on IRC, etc... remember, this guy is a big time KDE programmer, so he'll have private communications even more so than I do :) |
| 04:58.24 | dasKreech | with a lot of charged articles they only link one side of the argument |
| 04:58.49 | dasKreech | Yes but there are also a good deal of sane this is fine posts he can link to |
| 04:58.59 | dasKreech | aseigo even had one recently |
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| 05:00.21 | dasKreech | Is this out for Fedora 5 or CentOS 5? |
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| 05:01.41 | troy | dasKreech: hahah, well, they will get packages... this mandriva install even has some old beta 2 packages available in the default repos... |
| 05:02.03 | dasKreech | Fedora 5 will? really? |
| 05:02.08 | dasKreech | that's great |
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| 05:02.52 | troy | well, fedora has a tendancy to provide backports of all the new stuff for many many versions... it's pretty cool that way (in spite of it's many other shortcomings) |
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| 05:03.36 | dasKreech | how long do they support for? |
| 05:04.02 | troy | dasKreech: anyway, I'm going to get some sleep shortly - don't forget to send an email to reserve your bed at mountain view :) |
| 05:04.17 | dasKreech | Yeh as soon as my bum bro books the tickets |
| 05:04.48 | dasKreech | he wants to get a job at google. I only promiised him oogle rights to surfer chicks |
| 05:04.50 | Jucato | mt.view... |
| 05:05.32 | aseigo | hm. nice article. |
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| 05:05.32 | Jucato | which one? |
| 05:05.40 | aseigo | http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/11/08/kde-4-0-beta-4-released-extensive-end-user-testing-to-begin |
| 05:05.46 | Jucato | oh thanks |
| 05:05.48 | aseigo | which i assume is what dasKreech and troy were talking about |
| 05:05.50 | troy | aseigo: that's what I told him - I told him he wrote like a politician "Yeah, there's going to be problems, but don't worry, we're professionals..." |
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| 05:06.15 | Jucato | oh yeah. arse's new FOSS journal/section... |
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| 05:06.29 | dasKreech | aseigo: yes |
| 05:06.30 | aseigo | troy: he also has just the right amount of ballanced cynicism/realism to make it easy to swallow |
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| 05:06.53 | aseigo | troy: i've been urging will to step up more on the communications side for a bit... he's also really, really good in live interviews |
| 05:06.55 | dasKreech | I know I like the article I just wish that he'd link in his other side |
| 05:06.55 | troy | aseigo: yeah - a really good job - far better than I could have done on that topic - I like to talk about features and screenshots :) |
| 05:07.14 | aseigo | troy: good voice, speaks calmly and slowly, his thoughts come out well formed, he directs conversation very well |
| 05:07.17 | dasKreech | Jucato: What do you want it to be? |
| 05:07.46 | aseigo | troy: yeah, we all have our own approaches ... combined it gets pretty killer =) "by power of gaiai, our powers unite!" or something.. yeah. |
| 05:07.52 | Jucato | dasKreech: not me. just imagining some people might fault it for implying foss = linux (only) :) |
| 05:07.59 | aseigo | and, uhm. yeah, i never watched that show. mm-hm. |
| 05:08.04 | dasKreech | it is linux only |
| 05:08.05 | Jucato | lol captain planet? |
| 05:08.13 | aseigo | Jucato: hehe.. yeah. |
| 05:08.22 | Jucato | "Let our powers combine!" |
| 05:08.28 | Jucato | heheh :) |
| 05:08.47 | Jucato | dasKreech: #open.ended - Ars Technica's journal devoted to open source software |
| 05:08.48 | dasKreech | Not that I have it from all the seasons or anything |
| 05:08.51 | troy | Jucato: we noticed it - the problem is that we couldn't change it because there was an old linux.ars module years and years ago that still contained articles... |
| 05:08.53 | Jucato | that's the heading :) |
| 05:09.04 | Jucato | troy: I see :) |
| 05:09.09 | dasKreech | Jucato: it was Linux only for now it's linus only. maybe at some time it will actually be open ended :) |
| 05:09.19 | dasKreech | linux |
| 05:09.28 | dasKreech | I think they got over the Linus phase |
| 05:09.41 | troy | Jucato: we figured that the #open.ended title combined with a tagline would be enough to make most people happy, even those flaky BSD users :P |
| 05:09.46 | dasKreech | I gotta thank that cartoon for breaking me out of watching TV |
| 05:09.52 | Jucato | troy: didn't that include you? hehehe |
| 05:10.12 | troy | Jucato: yeah - but if I can't poke fun at my own expense, what shall I do? |
| 05:12.08 | Jucato | good night troy! |
| 05:12.10 | Jucato | and aseigo :) |
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| 05:12.31 | aseigo | Jucato: g'nite |
| 05:12.35 | dasKreech | and dasKreech you handsome attractive specimen |
| 05:12.50 | Jucato | you don't go to bed for another 2 hours... |
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| 05:13.03 | aseigo | oh. i thought you were saying goodnight =) |
| 05:13.09 | dasKreech | Well I need to get in my superlatives early |
| 05:13.12 | aseigo | dasKreech: indeed =) |
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| 05:13.16 | aseigo | luverly |
| 05:13.19 | Jucato | :) |
| 05:13.36 | dasKreech | Jucato is a night bird to us :) |
| 05:13.47 | Jucato | :) |
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| 05:48.21 | PeterFA | I love Kontact. |
| 05:48.49 | PeterFA | Jucato, curse you and your shameless cliches. |
| 05:49.08 | Jucato | O.o |
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| 05:49.18 | PeterFA | Jucato continues... We're the planeteers, and you can be one too! coz saving our planet is the thing to do! |
| 05:49.23 | Jucato | lol :) |
| 05:49.29 | PeterFA | That's not funny. |
| 05:49.37 | Jucato | wan't me to continue further? :) |
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| 05:49.43 | PeterFA | ... |
| 05:49.44 | PeterFA | Yes, please. |
| 05:49.48 | Jucato | rolfmao |
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| 05:50.09 | thesource | are there adons for konversation |
| 05:50.18 | Jucato | bwahah!!! |
| 05:50.26 | PeterFA | Thank you. |
| 05:50.34 | Jucato | :) |
| 05:51.14 | PeterFA | The thing about such shows is you wonder, why don't they just pull out the Capt'n right away. |
| 05:51.57 | thesource | are there adons for konversation for anouncesing mp3 and sys info |
| 05:52.03 | PeterFA | Also, like how in the Mighty Morphine Power Rangers, why don't they just pull out the big robot thing and squash the loser while he's small, before they have to duke it out damaging buildings and all. |
| 05:52.11 | Jucato | thesource: /media and /sysinfo |
| 05:52.17 | PeterFA | thesource, kde-apps.org |
| 05:52.28 | Jucato | thesource: they're actually scripts |
| 05:52.32 | Jucato | PeterFA: no need. built-in |
| 05:52.35 | MinceR | i don't really see what's wrong with looting. |
| 05:52.52 | MinceR | the bad guys tend to have treasure. :) |
| 05:53.16 | thesource | and i would find them where |
| 05:53.28 | PeterFA | MinceR, looting the planet... as in, wreckless strip-mining and excessive logging. |
| 05:53.32 | Jucato | thesource: just type /media or /sysinfo |
| 05:53.48 | MinceR | oh. they should be more specific. |
| 05:54.01 | PeterFA | MinceR, the context would give you the impression. |
| 05:54.03 | thesource | thesource@localhost ~ $ etc-update |
| 05:54.05 | thesource | bash: etc-update: command not found |
| 05:54.07 | thesource | ops |
| 05:54.11 | Jucato | MinceR: it's a Captain Planet and the Planeteers song.. how can they be even less specific? :) |
| 05:54.20 | thesource | Sysinfo for 'localhost': Linux 2.6.22-sabayon running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Mobile AMD Sempron 3000+ at 800 MHz (1596 bogomips), HD: 0/0GB, RAM: 331/366MB, 139 proc's, 1.4d up |
| 05:54.23 | PeterFA | MinceR, "looting and polluting." I'd say the 'polluting' part pretty much does it for me. |
| 05:54.37 | thesource | it lies |
| 05:54.46 | thesource | Sysinfo for 'localhost': Linux 2.6.22-sabayon running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Mobile AMD Sempron 3000+ at 800 MHz (1596 bogomips), HD: 0/0GB, RAM: 331/366MB, 139 proc's, 1.4d up |
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| 05:55.10 | PeterFA | thesource, my favorite is, /exec -o uptime |
| 05:55.18 | Jucato | Uptime: 5 hours and 50 minutes |
| 05:55.25 | Jucato | PeterFA: better than /uptime? |
| 05:55.30 | Jucato | (in konversation only) |
| 05:55.31 | PeterFA | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.34 | Jucato | ah |
| 05:55.38 | PeterFA | Jucato, I am on XChat. |
| 05:55.42 | Jucato | :P |
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| 05:56.04 | thesource | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.16 | PeterFA | /exec -o uptime |
| 05:56.25 | thesource | [23:57] [DCOP] Error: Could not find script "-o". |
| 05:56.35 | Jucato | thesource: replace /exec with /cmd |
| 05:56.47 | thesource | ok |
| 05:57.04 | Jucato | or actually /exec cmd -o uptime to be long... |
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| 05:57.09 | PeterFA | thesource, two slashes one right after another as the first two characters will become a single slash, and the rest, including the space if there is one, will become a string along with the single slash, and sent to the server like an ordinary text string. |
| 05:57.15 | Jucato | er... nvm lol |
| 05:57.23 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.24 | Jucato | there |
| 05:57.30 | Jucato | drop the -o |
| 05:57.38 | thesource | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.42 | thesource | cool |
| 05:58.20 | PeterFA | I like /exec -o cowsay I love you. |
| 05:58.38 | thesource | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.41 | thesource | lol |
| 05:59.08 | Jucato | 2 different clients |
| 05:59.20 | PeterFA | There is of course, /exec -o banner I want to get kicked out. |
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| 06:00.19 | thesource | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.32 | thesource | [00:00] [DCOP] Error: No supported players are running. |
| 06:00.36 | thesource | humm |
| 06:00.40 | PeterFA | thesource, don't execute it. |
| 06:00.48 | thesource | lol i was playing |
| 06:01.05 | thesource | how do i get the player to work |
| 06:01.24 | PeterFA | thesource, take away his hoes. |
| 06:01.29 | Jucato | thesource: /media |
| 06:01.36 | Jucato | I think it only works w/ amarok... not sure |
| 06:01.46 | thesource | ohh |
| 06:01.51 | Jucato | the default scripts are in $KDEDIR/share/apps/konversation/scripts |
| 06:02.08 | thesource | ohhh |
| 06:02.17 | thesource | i i think thats the truble |
| 06:02.21 | thesource | i dont use kde |
| 06:02.32 | PeterFA | That could be the problem. |
| 06:02.52 | dasKreech | That's a fundamental problem |
| 06:02.55 | thesource | but sabayon add this and some other thing from kde on my sys |
| 06:03.08 | thesource | no i can emregr kde |
| 06:03.15 | Jucato | works w/ xmms too it seems |
| 06:03.16 | thesource | i just dont like it |
| 06:03.26 | thesource | cool |
| 06:03.29 | PeterFA | I like KDE. |
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| 06:03.40 | thesource | to me its to blotes |
| 06:03.52 | PeterFA | thesource, what qualifies as bloated? |
| 06:04.16 | Jucato | "bloated" - "anything with powerful features" |
| 06:04.16 | thesource | when it take me 3 min to find what im looking for :) |
| 06:04.20 | Jucato | O.o |
| 06:04.45 | PeterFA | thesource, configure Apache without reading the manual. |
| 06:04.53 | thesource | lol |
| 06:04.55 | thesource | no thanks |
| 06:04.56 | PeterFA | thesource, in fact, configure IIS... |
| 06:05.04 | PeterFA | thesource, IIS is even worse. |
| 06:05.10 | Jucato | exactly! I mean what could be easier than searching in Edit -> Preferences, not finding it there, then trying to search in gconf-editor, then not finding it there, then discovering that it was removed in a later release? |
| 06:05.12 | PeterFA | It doesn't take it's own configurations. |
| 06:05.27 | thesource | hehe |
| 06:05.33 | thesource | gentoo rules |
| 06:05.33 | thesource | :) |
| 06:05.41 | PeterFA | Yes, yes it does, thesource |
| 06:05.47 | Jucato | :) |
| 06:06.16 | PeterFA | thesource, what window manager do you use, and why doesn't it qualify as bloat? |
| 06:06.23 | thesource | lol |
| 06:06.29 | thesource | gnome |
| 06:07.04 | thesource | or flxbox |
| 06:07.04 | PeterFA | thesource, uh huh... and why doesn't Gnome qualify as bloat? |
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| 06:07.06 | Jucato | "not bloated" - "lacking powerful features that makes life easier and saner" |
| 06:07.08 | Jucato | that's why |
| 06:07.10 | thesource | cose i can find all my stuff |
| 06:07.17 | PeterFA | Both Gnome and KDE qualify as bloat depending on who you talk to. Linux with KDE and a few apps is still smaller than Windows XP. |
| 06:07.20 | Jucato | j/k :) |
| 06:07.32 | thesource | hhehehe |
| 06:07.34 | Jucato | CLI is the least bloated interface evar! |
| 06:07.47 | PeterFA | Jucato, command.com would be the least ever, then. |
| 06:07.53 | PeterFA | Esp. v. 1.0. |
| 06:08.09 | Jucato | PeterFA: no, that not "not bloated"... that's "not functional" :) |
| 06:08.14 | PeterFA | I know a guy whose father owns a still shrink-wrapped package of DOS 1.0. |
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| 06:08.32 | PeterFA | Jucato, do you consider Windows XP functional? |
| 06:08.54 | Jucato | hm... I did... few years back... |
| 06:09.02 | PeterFA | XP is only functional in that it can run programs. |
| 06:09.04 | Jucato | before I knew there was a thing as Linux... |
| 06:09.20 | MinceR | xp is a functional malware collector software. |
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| 06:09.37 | PeterFA | MinceR, yes, it's quite effecient when it comes to executing anything it touches. |
| 06:10.02 | PeterFA | We all know XP is really a hopeless crippled piece of bugware, much like DOS is. |
| 06:10.15 | thesource | Calculating dependencies / |
| 06:10.15 | thesource | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "xmms". |
| 06:10.18 | thesource | awww |
| 06:10.20 | thesource | wtf |
| 06:10.22 | Jucato | ehehe |
| 06:10.23 | PeterFA | The only two differences is that XP is graphical and popular. |
| 06:10.28 | Jucato | what media player do you use thesource? |
| 06:10.34 | thesource | ohh wait u have to pay for xp |
| 06:10.34 | PeterFA | thesource, xmms was removed from the tree. |
| 06:10.47 | jables | main |
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| 06:10.55 | thesource | smplayer |
| 06:11.04 | jables | argh.. this main should be read as "moin" ;) |
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| 06:11.17 | PeterFA | jables, I love you. |
| 06:11.26 | Jucato | oooh... isn't that a kde app? |
| 06:11.29 | jables | ;) |
| 06:11.30 | Jucato | or just qt... |
| 06:11.48 | Jucato | ah just qt... |
| 06:12.44 | jables | PeterFA: my real nick on freenode is connected through another session.. so i had to think for another one, till i fixed a small (or large?) issue |
| 06:12.57 | PeterFA | jables, I still love you. |
| 06:13.08 | thesource | lol |
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| 06:13.41 | jables | PeterFA: must be, because you're my father |
| 06:13.58 | Jucato | O.o |
| 06:14.10 | PeterFA | My only beef with KDE is that there seems to be memory leaks which clear by restarting KDE. |
| 06:14.20 | Jucato | memory leaks? |
| 06:14.28 | thesource | lol |
| 06:14.32 | thesource | here u go |
| 06:14.35 | thesource | hese are the packages that would be merged, in order: |
| 06:14.35 | thesource | Calculating dependencies - |
| 06:14.35 | thesource | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "Amarok". |
| 06:14.37 | PeterFA | Jucato, yeah, some of the memory falls out of the wires, I have to put them back in. |
| 06:14.44 | PeterFA | thesource, amarok |
| 06:14.49 | PeterFA | thesource, eix amarok |
| 06:14.55 | Jucato | :) |
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| 06:15.11 | Ceboff | hi |
| 06:15.22 | PeterFA | Ceboff, I love you. |
| 06:15.31 | thesource | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:15.49 | PeterFA | thesource, just execute it. |
| 06:16.03 | Jucato | shouldn't eix be emerged first? |
| 06:16.06 | Jucato | forgot the ebuild for it... |
| 06:16.16 | PeterFA | Jucato, portage tools or soemrhign. |
| 06:16.29 | Jucato | gentools? |
| 06:16.37 | PeterFA | Wow, that's one debauched spelling. |
| 06:16.39 | Jester | where does one look to get some good API documentation for kde 3.5? I'm trying to find kwin's docs on techbase but there's nothing except for kde 4.0... |
| 06:16.48 | Ceboff | does anyone know where kopete saves the account passwords? i have forgotten my icq password and also the email addresses i have seem to not be valid for my icq number, tho i have kopete to auto-login - it must have stored the password somewhere, no? |
| 06:16.53 | Jucato | Jester: http:api.kde.org |
| 06:16.56 | Jucato | er... |
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| 06:16.59 | Jucato | Jester: http:/api.kde.org |
| 06:17.01 | Jucato | bah! |
| 06:17.02 | PeterFA | Ceboff, it may be in kwalletmanager. |
| 06:17.06 | Jucato | http://api.kde.org |
| 06:17.08 | Jester | Jucato: that's where I am, there's nothing |
| 06:17.21 | Jucato | Jester: nothing about kwin? |
| 06:17.23 | PeterFA | Jester, you must make believe first. |
| 06:17.40 | Jucato | Jester: perhaps you're only searching/looking under the KDE 4.0 section? |
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| 06:17.51 | Ceboff | PeterFA, it's not, i never activated kwallet...tho my pc is booted into windows atm and i am browsing my linux disk by explore2fs |
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| 06:18.18 | PeterFA | Ceboff, well, it could have stored it, anyways, it may be encrypted anyways. |
| 06:18.20 | Jucato | Jester: http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/kdebase-apidocs/kwin/html/index.html |
| 06:18.28 | Jester | well actually there's something but not quite the one thing I need (setStrut()) |
| 06:18.29 | PeterFA | Ceboff, I'm not sure that it wouldn't activate it for you. |
| 06:18.34 | Jester | yeah my bad |
| 06:18.42 | PeterFA | I wish FF would store my passies in my wallet. |
| 06:18.57 | PeterFA | Jester, I love setStrut() |
| 06:19.02 | Jucato | PeterFA: FF wants to use a different pocket :) |
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| 06:19.52 | Jester | See I'm wondering if it would be possible to Change the area my window will cover when maximed. I'm using virtualbox in seamless mode and it would be nice for my kde windows not to maximize over the xp taskbar :) |
| 06:20.09 | fifo_ | Anyone know the calculator applet that you can put in your Panels? Is there anyway I can change it's precision? I can't even add: 954912 + 852664 without having it give me an exponential answer (1.80758e+06) |
| 06:20.22 | Jucato | Jester: does virtualbox ose have seamless mode? :( |
| 06:20.24 | PeterFA | Wow, the BECU only charges $20 per over-draft, way better than Wamu or Wells Fargo. |
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| 06:20.32 | Jester | well virtualbox+xinerama (which virtualbox doesn't support) |
| 06:20.37 | Jester | Jucato: not sure |
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| 07:27.49 | Tarkus | i've been using GTK based stuff for a long time, since i never liked KDE/Qt visually.. but poeple are saying mized things about KDE4.. any idea where i can see actually progression in the visual aspects of KDE4? cause i've seena lot of mockups and fake stuff.. but im not really sure what is planned so far for the look & feel of KDE4.. |
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| 07:36.02 | Arafangion | Tarkus: I suggest you try a non default theme, if you don't like how it looks visually! |
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| 07:39.14 | Tarkus | Arafangion, actually, i don't mind plastik at all.. much better than the default gnome stuff (clearlooks).. its the way Qt apps seem bloated and really busy.. i like clean and simple.. either way im just wondering if you'd know how i can see the official progress and plans for KDE4. |
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| 07:42.25 | Arafangion | Tarkus: The way I see it, KDE apps require an enormous library - Qt, but it is in effect the main library, and every single application uses it. |
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| 07:42.51 | Jucato | O.o |
| 07:42.54 | Arafangion | Tarkus: I personally feel that KDE applications are better designed, and in terms of libraries, have cleaner and fewer dependencies. |
| 07:43.11 | Jucato | GNOME uses GTK... |
| 07:43.24 | Arafangion | Tarkus: Gnome, on the other hand, require a relatively tiny library - 'GTK', but with that, they also use a ton of different libraries, because GTK does far, far less than Qt does. |
| 07:43.24 | Jucato | it isn't that much less enormous |
| 07:43.41 | Arafangion | Tarkus: And every Gnome application requires a different combination of libraries, etc. |
| 07:44.35 | Arafangion | Tarkus: So dependencies are much messier with Gnome. |
| 07:45.05 | Jucato | in terms of the basic library dependencies, KDE and GNOME are not much different though... even KDE apps need some libraries that are not provided by Qt or KDE |
| 07:45.31 | Arafangion | Jucato: Yes, but I'm talking generally. |
| 07:45.50 | Jucato | and things will probably be "lighter" in KDE 4 because of how module Qt 4 is. (afaik) |
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| 07:46.24 | Arafangion | Jucato: I've compiled KDE 4 on my machine (Just the apps, not the DE), and it's not bad. It is /much/ easier to compile and setup than Gnome applications are. |
| 07:46.46 | Jucato | that's thanks to CMake |
| 07:46.49 | Jucato | (mostly) |
| 07:46.51 | Arafangion | Jucato: And my observation is that the libraries that KDE use tend to be used by /everything/. |
| 07:47.02 | Arafangion | Jucato: No, it isn't. |
| 07:47.24 | Arafangion | Jucato: It's thanks to not having to first get dependencies X, Y, Z, which need dependencies C, E, F, which need dependencies ... |
| 07:47.39 | Jucato | are we talking about API libraries? |
| 07:47.43 | Arafangion | Yes. |
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| 07:48.33 | Arafangion | I'm a software engineer (Ok, ok, I _will_ be a software engineer...), and I have compiled my entire system manually. |
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| 07:53.42 | Tarkus | Arafangion, you're probably right there.. but i was talking about front-end stuff. i find the Qt widgets to be a handful to look at. all the apps seem more crammed. |
| 07:54.04 | thiago_home | it's the module structure of KDE itself |
| 07:54.20 | thiago_home | most KDE applications that require external libraries require only *leaf* libraries |
| 07:54.20 | Jucato | ah there! finally someone who can dispel my confuzzlment :) |
| 07:54.49 | thiago_home | so, when you're asked to install libSomething, it's a non-KDE library that probably doesn't depend on much at all. |
| 07:54.49 | Jucato | but it's gone by now :) |
| 07:55.02 | thiago_home | KDE libraries are all lumped together in kdelibs |
| 07:56.16 | Tarkus | thiago, do they update kdelibs often? so that it will include these other libraries? |
| 07:56.44 | Tarkus | thiago_home* |
| 07:58.57 | thiago_home | after the 4.0 release, you probably have to update it after each release |
| 07:59.36 | thiago_home | and each patch-level release is feature-frozen, so new libraries only appears in 4.1, 4.2, etc. |
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| 08:01.42 | Tarkus | cause im starting to get into a little programming.. im learning now using python.. but i want to start making front-end's to my programs.. its been pretty tough making a GTK frontend with glade and python.. do you know what kind of workflow it would be with Qt designer.. is it easier? (sorry for the questions.. but im new to linux and programming) |
| 08:02.03 | Jucato | pyQt? |
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| 08:02.26 | Jucato | Eric3 I think |
| 08:02.28 | thiago_home | you draw your UI with designer, then you compile your .ui file into .cpp and .h |
| 08:02.32 | thiago_home | simple |
| 08:02.53 | Jucato | I think he wanted python... though I'm not sure how it works :) |
| 08:03.07 | Tarkus | what if i want to use python instead of C++? then i can compile the .ui into my .py? |
| 08:03.51 | Jucato | http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/ |
| 08:04.30 | Tarkus | i'll eventually learn python/C or Python/C++.. depending on if i decide to use GTK or Qt.. |
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| 08:05.17 | muchanic | Tarkus: there's a tool that comes with pyqt that does ui->py |
| 08:05.39 | Jucato | Tarkus: http://www.cs.usfca.edu/~afedosov/qttut/ (but Qt 3) |
| 08:05.52 | Jucato | (just from quick Googling) |
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| 08:18.40 | supersako | whats the best wifi manager for kde? |
| 08:18.56 | supersako | i need it to have WPA2 |
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| 08:20.56 | Jucato | the "best" one will be the one that works for you. I only know of knetworkmanager... I think there are others |
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| 08:28.54 | contrast83 | I've taken quite a liking to KWiFiManager since NetworkManager stopped working for me in Gutsy. |
| 08:29.35 | qupada | i installed networkmanager on my gentoo system at work just to see what it does. it's a moot point naturally since my work machine has one network interface for 100% of its life, but with knetworkmanager it has potential |
| 08:32.36 | Tarkus | is this similar to what KDE4 is planned to look like so far? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Phononsettings.png/654px-Phononsettings.png |
| 08:33.32 | Jucato | that's an old screenshot/mockup I think... |
| 08:33.48 | Jucato | (very old a that...) |
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| 08:34.53 | Tarkus | Jucato, any idea where i can find new screenshots.. like real stuff that they're considering atm? |
| 08:35.08 | Jucato | www.kde.org |
| 08:35.18 | Jucato | beta 4 announcement |
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| 08:37.11 | Tarkus | thanks Jucato |
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| 08:58.17 | contrast83 | Settings -> Configuration Editor -> Use Encryption? |
| 08:58.41 | shal3r | After reboot, all fonts are much smaller. I didn`t change any configs or install any updates. How this can happen? |
| 09:00.14 | contrast83 | shal3r: That usually happens to me after I change the color scheme. To fix: Alt+F2 -> kcmshell fonts -> Force Fonts DPI -> 96 DPI |
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| 09:01.34 | shal3r | contrast83, i didn`t change color theme ;) |
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| 09:01.56 | shal3r | rr kde |
| 09:02.08 | contrast83 | umm... ok. |
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| 09:02.48 | shal3r | tahnk you ;) |
| 09:02.51 | shal3r | *thank |
| 09:02.52 | contrast83 | np |
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| 09:05.49 | thiago | contrast83: it happens because your DPI changed |
| 09:05.56 | thiago | that shouldn't happen, since your monitor didn't |
| 09:07.16 | contrast83 | I've experienced that bug on every installation of Kubuntu I've had since Edgy, across various machines. Whenever I do *anything* to the color scheme, the fonts shrink. |
| 09:11.43 | thiago | same problem: some program is resetting the DPI |
| 09:11.49 | thiago | that's a bug in *that* program, not in KDE. |
| 09:12.49 | contrast83 | That's good to know, I suppose. |
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| 09:35.06 | shal3r | thiago, i started kde as always, used only firefox, bluefish, xchat, kmail and console, as every day. But after last restart my DPI changed ;) |
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| 09:38.58 | shyfx | Hello, can anyone comment on the stability/completeness of KDE4, I am considering using it as my sole desktop system |
| 09:39.15 | shyfx | I am not fussed if it isn't official release, just so long as it isn't unusable |
| 09:39.44 | annma | it's beta |
| 09:40.01 | annma | depends what you use, tell me what apps you use |
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| 09:40.23 | shyfx | office, web (undecided on client, might try mozilla qt) |
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| 09:40.34 | shyfx | also open office qt, if that is a no go, then I will use KOffice |
| 09:40.45 | shyfx | also I was goign to try this on XGL... |
| 09:41.04 | shyfx | going with the whole experimental setup, miss my linux, been 4 years (since I started uni) |
| 09:41.29 | annma | so you use no kde apps in fact? |
| 09:41.49 | shyfx | well up until now... I am at the moment, open to anything that is going to work :) |
| 09:42.12 | annma | you can use kde4 desktop with all the apps you named |
| 09:42.22 | annma | not sure why you want to do so though |
| 09:42.35 | shyfx | not sure about the apps or KDE4? |
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| 09:43.03 | shal3r | heh, i am waiting for final release or release candiate and i will buy new PC at that day then KDE4 will be released ;) |
| 09:43.34 | shyfx | well I am sticking this onto my laptop... so it's just for bumming around on the net, playing music, watching vids in bed and stuff |
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| 09:44.27 | shal3r | shyfx, then why you need kde4 for that? ;) |
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| 09:45.12 | shyfx | shal3r: Just wanna try out all the latest stuff, going with the whole experimental packages, so long as it isn't completely useless |
| 09:45.27 | shal3r | ;) |
| 09:45.51 | shyfx | and it will take a good, gee, long time to compile on my lappy. although it's ploughing away quite nicely at the moment... |
| 09:46.18 | shal3r | Can KDE slow down because of ~4 years old .kde directory ? ;) |
| 09:47.31 | shyfx | well it's not a m$ registry so perhaps not :D |
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| 09:48.55 | shal3r | shyfx, but when i tried to rename .kde directory, kde loaded up ~3 times faster and worked faster too :) |
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| 09:50.03 | shyfx | haha well how large is it and what is in there exactly? |
| 09:50.20 | shyfx | surely there is some cleanup tool for it/ |
| 09:50.21 | shal3r | there is kde settings for last 4 years ;) |
| 09:50.46 | shal3r | 184M .kde3.5/ |
| 09:51.17 | shyfx | yeah but settings don't grow as such |
| 09:51.31 | shyfx | or do they? and if not, does it keep history? and if so surely you can clear it? |
| 09:51.39 | thiago | kopete logs and thumbnail cache are probably there. |
| 09:52.23 | shal3r | thiago, damn thumbail cache is in ~/.thumbnails |
| 09:52.24 | shyfx | what's kopete again? |
| 09:52.32 | shal3r | and i don`t use kopete |
| 09:52.39 | shal3r | shyfx, somethink like messenger, i think ;) |
| 09:52.48 | shyfx | ah yeah that's right... it's been a while :D |
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| 09:53.39 | thiago | shal3r: du -sh .kde3.5/share/* and find out what's big there. |
| 09:54.07 | shal3r | icons and apps are bigger ones |
| 09:54.15 | shal3r | now i am removing unneeded icon themes |
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| 09:57.20 | shal3r | ok, small cleanup done |
| 09:57.24 | shal3r | what else can slow down kde? |
| 09:58.01 | bluelightning | shal3r: one thing that really slows down konqueror is browser history, particularly if you set it to store more than the default number of entries |
| 09:58.19 | bluelightning | there's a bug filed somewhere for that I think |
| 09:59.33 | shal3r | cache was only 5MB and i am don`t use konqueror at all |
| 09:59.40 | shyfx | wee, going to try out compiz instead of KWin too... lol this is getting out of hand |
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| 10:00.15 | bluelightning | shal3r: it's not the cache, it's the history... but if you're not using konqueror then it's a moot point :) |
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| 10:00.38 | shal3r | shyfx, i tried, it`s weird :D |
| 10:00.56 | shyfx | shal3r: you're runnign XGL too then I imagine? |
| 10:01.05 | shyfx | (perhaps it only runs on Xgl, I am unsure) |
| 10:01.25 | shal3r | yes |
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| 10:01.48 | shyfx | just looks funky... good way to impress your (nerd) friends |
| 10:02.00 | shal3r | it was fast but i don`t like it because i dont need that |
| 10:02.03 | annma | shyfx: on kde4 kwin has composing |
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| 10:02.52 | shyfx | no idea what composing is, reading now |
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| 10:03.24 | shyfx | GL support, my lord that's awesome |
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| 10:03.52 | wahjava | how do I logout programatically, e.g. using *dcop* on shell |
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| 10:04.27 | wahjava | I'm running Fedora LiveCD, unable to logout by selecting 'Log out' menu item. |
| 10:04.50 | annma | type: logout in a terminal I guess |
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| 10:05.30 | wahjava | logout works only in login shell |
| 10:05.32 | wahjava | I'm running KDE |
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| 10:08.40 | annma | in a terminal, it doesnot work? |
| 10:09.04 | annma | I don't want to try it obviously ;) |
| 10:09.19 | wahjava | [fedora@localhost ~]$ logoutbash: logout: not login shell: use `exit' |
| 10:09.39 | bluelightning | wahjava: http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=46398&forum=12&post_id=215026 |
| 10:09.44 | annma | use exit then |
| 10:10.03 | wahjava | exit will close the terminal |
| 10:10.09 | wahjava | I wanted to logout from KDE |
| 10:10.21 | wahjava | and logout menu option in KDE is not working |
| 10:10.34 | wahjava | And I don't wanted to press C+A+BkSp |
| 10:10.38 | annma | look at the link you got |
| 10:10.49 | annma | it's your distro problem |
| 10:10.59 | bluelightning | also refers to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=363211 |
| 10:11.01 | annma | in KDE logout works |
| 10:11.03 | wahjava | Thanks :) |
| 10:11.09 | bluelightning | and annma's right, it's a distro issue |
| 10:11.23 | annma | and in that case google is always good |
| 10:11.39 | bluelightning | yep, it's how I found that info :) |
| 10:12.06 | wahjava | I also use KDE natively, but just wanted to try FEL livecd |
| 10:12.19 | wahjava | thanks #kde. |
| 10:12.33 | wahjava | Happy Diwali to #kde |
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| 10:13.12 | _Angelus_ | is there an easy way to change a GTK app to QT ? |
| 10:14.14 | annma | _Angelus_: what do you mean? |
| 10:14.25 | annma | coding it to depend on qt? |
| 10:14.31 | _Angelus_ | no |
| 10:14.41 | _Angelus_ | make it look QT instead of GTK |
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| 10:16.33 | bluelightning | _Angelus_: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9714 |
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| 10:18.58 | maki | in KDE 5 |
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| 10:19.26 | maki | *3.5.8 when i try to turn of the pc, ktorrent crashes |
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| 10:20.19 | annma | maki: get a backtrace |
| 10:20.37 | annma | is ktorrent in kdenetwork? |
| 10:21.19 | maki | annma, later i disabled debugging in kde |
| 10:21.44 | annma | maki: reporting a crash without backtrace is useless |
| 10:22.08 | annma | when you have a backtrace please open a bug report and explain how to reproduce and attach the backtrace |
| 10:22.34 | annma | reporting here is useless, reporting without backtrace is useless |
| 10:23.12 | maki | i know, i was just wondering if its an known bug |
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| 10:23.38 | annma | look at bugs.kde.org ktorrent |
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| 10:31.41 | annma | helloooooooo |
| 10:32.01 | Jucato | :) |
| 10:32.04 | Jucato | heheh :) |
| 10:32.34 | Jucato | you just made me smile :) |
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| 10:37.58 | maki | where can i find logs from kcrash handler? |
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| 10:43.03 | ICQnumber | time to time knetworkmanager waits for kwallet for the key, but this pop up windiw, where the key (password) can be added is hidden! is it a known bug? |
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| 10:45.48 | ICQnumber | time to time knetworkmanager waits for kwallet for the key, but this pop up windiw, where the key (password) can be added is hidden! is it a known bug? |
| 10:47.30 | benJIman | I don't understand what you mean? |
| 10:47.37 | benJIman | Do you mean the password dialogue is not in the foreground? |
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| 10:48.32 | benJIman | * ICQnumber |
| 10:49.30 | ICQnumber | benJIman: yes |
| 10:49.59 | ICQnumber | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.05 | benJIman | ICQnumber: Yes, that often happens with kwin. |
| 10:50.09 | benJIman | It happens with kdesu too. |
| 10:50.11 | ICQnumber | it just happen on start up only |
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| 10:50.16 | benJIman | They go in the background. |
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| 10:50.23 | benJIman | Because of the focus stealing prevention. |
| 10:50.28 | ICQnumber | btw, i just noticed it on start up |
| 10:51.03 | ICQnumber | benJIman: and i can not open it again, so i need to log out |
| 10:51.26 | benJIman | I don't understand what you mean. |
| 10:51.29 | ICQnumber | to make this pop up window become avalible |
| 10:51.47 | benJIman | When you say it's not available what do you mean? hidden in the background? Just click on it to bring to the foreground |
| 10:52.39 | ICQnumber | no |
| 10:52.52 | ICQnumber | hidden from the screen |
| 10:53.01 | ICQnumber | there is no pop up |
| 10:53.05 | benJIman | How do you know it's there? |
| 10:53.12 | benJIman | You're not being very clear. |
| 10:53.45 | ICQnumber | sorry, my eng is not good enough |
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| 10:55.09 | ICQnumber | i mean that if i right click on knetworkmanager the pop up menu open and i see the text in menu item, that key is requested from kwallet |
| 10:55.15 | ICQnumber | but nothing happen |
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| 10:56.11 | ICQnumber | it just happen about every 3rd time i strat up my laptop |
| 10:56.14 | Rasi | ehm |
| 10:56.20 | Rasi | but kwallet is running? |
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| 10:57.01 | ICQnumber | no |
| 10:57.24 | Rasi | have you tried running the app from a terminal? |
| 10:57.28 | Rasi | to see error messages |
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| 10:57.47 | Rasi | in that case knetworkmanager |
| 10:57.54 | ICQnumber | it does not start, and even if i start it manually, it starts, but this pop up service window does not come out |
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| 10:58.37 | ICQnumber | Rasi: no it does only happen on start up... |
| 10:58.53 | ICQnumber | and not every time, just randomly |
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| 10:59.19 | Rasi | well to go on bug-hunting, you should not let it autostart but start it mannually each time from a terminal |
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| 10:59.28 | Rasi | or search the log files |
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| 11:00.34 | ICQnumber | but knetworkmaneger will not ask for password any more |
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| 11:01.27 | Rasi | if you remove the password of kwallet it will |
| 11:01.36 | ICQnumber | Rasi: wich log file, im not really good in it |
| 11:01.58 | Rasi | and if you cant see kwallet manager window start it with kwalletmanager --show |
| 11:02.30 | ICQnumber | Rasi: u mean Close All Wallets? |
| 11:03.05 | Rasi | i mean opening the wallet and removing the entry for knetworkmanager |
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| 11:04.41 | ICQnumber | ok i will try, brb, i will lose my internet connection |
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| 11:15.07 | ICQnumber | well looks like it does only happen on start up |
| 11:16.35 | ICQnumber | Rasi: what log files can i look at |
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| 11:30.11 | litb | hello. there is a document which describes window manager standards |
| 11:30.16 | litb | ICCT or something |
| 11:30.26 | litb | anyone can help me to recall that name? |
| 11:30.55 | Kanniball | hi! |
| 11:31.25 | Kanniball | litb: I think there's something on freedesktop.org |
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| 11:32.04 | litb | Kanniball: yes |
| 11:32.16 | litb | Kanniball: but i don't remember the name |
| 11:32.18 | Kanniball | it there any way to log process used resources, like cpu, mem, I/O |
| 11:32.54 | bluelightning | litb: ICCCM (IIRC :) |
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| 11:33.12 | Rasi | ICCCM and EWMH |
| 11:33.21 | Kanniball | litb: http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html ??? |
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| 11:34.27 | litb | Kanniball: oh, thank you |
| 11:34.33 | MZM | does all apps in KDE4 have ability to specify UI language and fallback language? |
| 11:35.17 | maki | why ntp.org dont work? |
| 11:37.29 | leolein | Hello. Is anyone here from the developers of KDE? Yesterday i have wrote here a bug in the file kcminputrc. But i speak not enough english to read/wirte in to the bugtracker. Can i speak german please. Its maybe very interest or/and important. |
| 11:37.50 | leolein | +p |
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| 11:45.39 | leolein | I use Xorg7.3 and KDE3.5.8 (Sidux) and I've found a "solution" for the problem with installed wacom-driver. After this install (Wacom) KDE/X is chrashing always after i logged in. |
| 11:46.38 | leolein | The file kcminput is the "Problem" - but exactly why, I don't now. |
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| 11:47.26 | leolein | Excuse me...my english is very buggy. :( |
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| 11:57.32 | ma3x | is there a nice clock for kde? |
| 11:57.39 | ma3x | not a digital one! |
| 11:58.36 | MZM | ma3x: yes. in KDE 4 :) |
| 11:58.38 | Sho_ | ma3x: Check out StyleClock on KDE-Look.org |
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| 11:58.54 | ma3x | i want iut to run in its own little window |
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| 12:00.48 | ma3x | Sho_, does styleclock show the seconds too? |
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| 12:00.52 | MZM | damn. KDE4 beta4 is so unusable :( |
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| 12:01.12 | annma | MZM: how? |
| 12:01.25 | Jucato | (here we go...) |
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| 12:02.04 | MZM | annma: I'm still on OpenSuSE LiveCD. Various parts (plasma et.al.) crashing eaven when unused :( |
| 12:02.14 | annma | blame the Live cd |
| 12:02.36 | annma | here on svn I had no crashwent) from plasma since a long time (except on my own applet in fact |
| 12:02.40 | Jucato | and the almost 2-week old beta4... |
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| 12:03.01 | MZM | Jucato: is there some other newe live CD? |
| 12:03.11 | Jucato | kde4 is a fast moving target... bugs that may have been there at the time of the packaging of the live cd might have been already fixed since then |
| 12:03.16 | annma | MZM: what's annoying is generalizing from 1 product |
| 12:03.35 | annma | MZM: and I invite you to tommorrow debug day |
| 12:03.41 | Jucato | not sure if binner still make daily live cd's... |
| 12:03.45 | annma | read my blog on Planet kde please |
| 12:03.47 | Jucato | oh that's tomorrow again? :( |
| 12:03.51 | annma | yes |
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| 12:04.52 | Jucato | so I might have to do it from my semi-working Kubuntu install... |
| 12:04.58 | annma | but for users like MZM it's good |
| 12:05.27 | annma | they have KDE4, they use it and they find it bugged: they can help! |
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| 12:06.28 | Jucato | as aseigo so poetically wrote: "anyone with a kde4 install is encouraged to show up to help identify issues. be prepared to apply patches and test fixes, though as this is not a bitch fest but a patch fest. the difference is critical. ;)" |
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| 12:07.12 | annma | in fact Jucato there were very nice people |
| 12:07.29 | Jucato | nice :) |
| 12:07.36 | Jucato | all the more I shouldn't be there lol |
| 12:07.41 | annma | also in #plasma someone fixed a nasty bug on Frame applet |
| 12:07.41 | MZM | Jucato: reporting bugs on two weaks old version isn't sane |
| 12:07.55 | annma | MZM: yes you can do it |
| 12:08.02 | annma | I mean you can test stuff |
| 12:08.05 | annma | test games for ex |
| 12:08.16 | Jucato | you're expected to have an updated SVN install afaik |
| 12:08.16 | annma | I noticed few games were looked at |
| 12:08.24 | annma | Jucato: not necesseraly |
| 12:08.27 | MZM | also - today I have KDE 4 translation party and I just wanted to make some nice and slicky screenshot :P |
| 12:08.32 | Jucato | ah ok |
| 12:08.34 | annma | just don't whine about plasma |
| 12:08.44 | Jucato | :) |
| 12:08.46 | Sho_ | MZM: The latest live CD is from Nov 11th |
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| 12:09.03 | annma | MZM: you can run KDE4 apps surely |
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| 12:09.34 | MZM | Sho_: my KDE install shows, that today is Nov 9th. Some time left till 11. :) |
| 12:10.04 | Jucato | heh :) |
| 12:10.15 | Sho_ | MZM: Good point ... however http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ is showing 11 and I merely did a mental copy'n'paste without going through the thinking units |
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| 12:15.21 | leolein | !kde |
| 12:16.31 | MZM | just another question - I just upgraded my KDE on Gentoo to 3.5.8 and now it offers "Switch application language" for all apps. |
| 12:16.54 | MZM | still I don't see such feature in KDE4. Is this some Gentoo-specific hack? |
| 12:17.01 | annma | no it's KDE |
| 12:17.14 | annma | not sure if it's getting into KDE 4 |
| 12:17.59 | annma | the language support is not really finished as far as I can see in kde4 |
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| 12:20.01 | MZM | annma: tnx |
| 12:20.43 | nicio | can someone help me fot the command to get back the decoration for compiz?im an from compiz |
| 12:20.52 | Sho_ | #compiz |
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| 12:21.33 | nicio | what the difference betew compiz-fusion and compiz :-? |
| 12:21.47 | Jucato | #compiz-fusion now actually |
| 12:21.48 | Sho_ | That, too, you should ask in #compiz :) |
| 12:22.59 | nicio | lol |
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| 12:23.59 | idletask | Hello |
| 12:24.59 | idletask | I have a problem with trying to run KDE on a user account whose home is mounted by NFS... The NFS server is RHEL4.4, the client machine runs Gentoo and KDE 3.5.7 |
| 12:25.22 | annma | and you run other things OK? |
| 12:25.22 | nicio | ohohohohoh je suis een 7.10 |
| 12:25.23 | idletask | OTOH, at home, I also have a similar setup but both the client and server are Gentoo, and there, no problem |
| 12:25.38 | annma | idletask: you can run gnome OK? |
| 12:25.39 | idletask | annma: well, yes... twm is OK if that's any help :p |
| 12:25.41 | nicio | oops im in the wrong room |
| 12:26.16 | idletask | annma: haven't tried... I've googled around and it looks like the problem is with DCOPserver |
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| 12:27.11 | idletask | In both cases this is NFSv3 mounts |
| 12:27.49 | idletask | Oh yes, both clients are native x86_64 |
| 12:28.00 | idletask | (and both servers are 32bit versions) |
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| 12:28.36 | idletask | annma: when I kill X on the non working setup, I see that, for instance, kwin is still running, probably waiting for something it couldn't find |
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| 12:28.57 | annma | no idea about all that |
| 12:29.04 | annma | your best bet is to use google |
| 12:29.15 | idletask | Been there, done that, but no solution so far :( |
| 12:29.17 | command68 | question is the name of the progrem that lets you download/remove |
| 12:29.19 | command68 | ? |
| 12:29.19 | annma | except if yo find here someone with such a problem |
| 12:29.26 | annma | ktorrent |
| 12:29.46 | annma | kget |
| 12:29.53 | idletask | annma: my problem is not unheard of, and on quite different setups |
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| 12:30.22 | annma | idletask: sure but I don't even understand it |
| 12:30.26 | idletask | For instance, someone has the same problem with OpenSolaris, the server being Linux... That's strange |
| 12:30.41 | annma | always only KDE? |
| 12:31.20 | idletask | Well, KDE was one of my keywords for the searches... I admit I haven't paid attention as to whether the other people tried Gnome |
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| 12:36.19 | idletask | annma: how can I make KDE more verbose on startup? I'll try to track down the problem a little more |
| 12:37.06 | annma | no idea :( |
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| 12:42.17 | Jucato | wb Sho_!!! :) |
| 12:43.22 | Sho_ | re. fileserver crasehd :( |
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| 12:43.40 | Suprano | Hi there |
| 12:44.28 | Suprano | i wondered, if there is a way to use kde apps without all that background things running? eg. i once installed amarok and it installed esd withit along, or things like kderunner..stuff like that.. |
| 12:44.47 | Jejem | esd isn't a KDE part :D |
| 12:44.54 | Suprano | well bad example then |
| 12:45.03 | Suprano | but you know what i mean :) |
| 12:45.10 | Jejem | and amarok need some dependencies |
| 12:45.14 | Jejem | like other progs.. |
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| 12:46.18 | Suprano | example: |
| 12:46.21 | Suprano | i just startet amarok |
| 12:46.26 | Suprano | started was: |
| 12:47.21 | freepenguin | hi |
| 12:47.23 | Suprano | amarokapp kdeinit Running... dcopserver [kdeinit] --nosid --suicide klauncher [kdeinit] kded [kdeinit] kio_file [kdeinit] file /tmp/ksocket-suprano/klauncherb5KhFa.slave kio_file [kdeinit] file /tmp/ksocket-suprano/klauncherb5KhFa.slave ruby /usr/share/apps/amarok/scripts/score_default/score_default. python /home/suprano/.kde/share/apps/amarok/scripts/loadsimilar/l amarokcollectionscanner --nocrashhandler -r -i /mnt/data/Media/Au |
| 12:47.23 | Suprano | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.45 | Suprano | all applications showing up in ps aux.. _just for amarok_ !! |
| 12:48.28 | Suprano | my question is: can i do it without all these? just amarokapp..? |
| 12:48.48 | Sho_ | no. |
| 12:48.54 | Suprano | well i see a point for python and ruby maybe, as scripting interface or what ever, but all the rest Oo |
| 12:50.04 | Suprano | as i am not using kde, this creates a enormous overhead :/ |
| 12:51.03 | Sho_ | The overhead isn't that "enormous", and all of those processes have useful purposes that allow Amarok to be as good as it is |
| 12:51.37 | Suprano | well it takes forever to init them |
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| 12:51.57 | Romina | hi |
| 12:52.06 | Romina | what is the difference between ALT + F2 -> firefox |
| 12:52.19 | Romina | and opening "firefox" in the konsole ? |
| 12:52.20 | Romina | please |
| 12:52.42 | Sho_ | There usually wouldn't be one |
| 12:52.52 | Romina | there must be one |
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| 12:52.55 | idletask | Sho_: since you seem to be knowledgeable about KDE, I have a question for you :) How do I make KDE more verbose on startup? I try to diagnose a problem but don't have enough information in the logs... |
| 12:52.57 | Romina | I am 100% sure |
| 12:53.25 | Sho_ | idletask: Build it with --enable-debug=full, then you'll drown in the contents of ~/.xsession-errors ;) |
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| 12:53.46 | Jucato | heheh Sho_ is more than knowledgeable about KDE :) |
| 12:53.48 | idletask | Romina: stdin, stdout and stderr are your terminal when you launch it in a konsole, and that's pretty much it |
| 12:53.58 | Romina | Sho_, one example: Kubuntu Feisty Fawn: ALT + F2 firefox ... it starts on every 2nd or 3rd try |
| 12:53.59 | idletask | Sho_: and, well, apart from doing that? :p |
| 12:54.03 | Sho_ | Romina: Then the difference is most likely created by the files that the shell that you run in your Konsole sources at startup, modifying the environment (e.g. PATH) |
| 12:54.08 | Romina | Sho_, firefox in the konsole: it starts every time |
| 12:54.35 | Jucato | Romina: I've had that problem too. never knew what causes it... |
| 12:54.38 | idletask | Romina: look in your .xsession-errors, or whatever kubuntu puts the logs of your X session into |
| 12:54.47 | Jucato | same w/ starting Firefox from Katapult or sometimes even the K Menu |
| 12:55.11 | Romina | I can do that idletask, but I am here for finding a way to start programs the same way as out of the shell |
| 12:56.03 | idletask | alt+F2 does "execute a command", doesn't it? |
| 12:56.25 | Romina | yep |
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| 12:56.28 | idletask | If yes, well then try launching "firefox &>some_file_in_your_home" and look into that file |
| 12:56.42 | Romina | with the &> ? |
| 12:56.48 | idletask | No |
| 12:56.49 | Sho_ | idletask: You can run "kdebugdialog" to chose the KDebug areas that will be outputted |
| 12:56.52 | Romina | firefox &>foo.txt |
| 12:56.52 | Romina | ? |
| 12:57.04 | idletask | Yes, and then look in foo.txt |
| 12:57.04 | Sho_ | idletask: But without having a debug build, that probably won't give you a significant increase |
| 12:57.07 | Romina | ok |
| 12:57.35 | Romina | nothing in it |
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| 12:57.42 | idletask | sho_: OK, I'll try that |
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| 12:58.52 | Romina | does anyone of you know a bit about linux, KDE _and_ c++ ? |
| 12:59.03 | Romina | I would need a superguy who is a combination of all of it |
| 12:59.49 | Romina | there is a c++ program which seems to use KDE functions |
| 13:00.04 | Romina | I try to find out how it starts a program and it deals with firefox |
| 13:00.09 | Romina | its a firefox quickstarter |
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| 13:03.50 | boom1992 | Romina: @ kde-apps.org ^^ |
| 13:03.51 | boom1992 | ?? |
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| 13:04.05 | Romina | Jucato! |
| 13:04.13 | Romina | I think I found a solution |
| 13:04.21 | Romina | you said you would have the same problem, right? |
| 13:04.37 | Romina | try replacing the command which starts firefox by /bin/sh /usr/bin/firefox |
| 13:04.56 | Romina | Sho_, maybe thats the difference |
| 13:04.58 | Jucato | O.o |
| 13:04.59 | Romina | a different shell |
| 13:05.41 | Romina | I clicked on advanced and "start in a shell" |
| 13:05.41 | Romina | then I saw that it uses /bin/sh |
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| 13:09.48 | MZM | one thing that makes me wonder - why oh why planet.kde.org has such huge default font in Konqueror... |
| 13:10.46 | MZM | nobody is using Konqueror? |
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| 13:13.47 | foo-nux | Where is the konqueror background setting to be found? |
| 13:15.00 | ponto | MZM: i guess most people use it with akregator |
| 13:15.16 | Jucato | foo-nux: which background? |
| 13:15.30 | boom1992 | foo-nux: appearance IITC |
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| 13:15.31 | boom1992 | ^^ |
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| 13:15.50 | Jucato | depends on which background he's referring to... |
| 13:15.57 | boom1992 | konqueror |
| 13:16.08 | boom1992 | the file-view background I think |
| 13:16.09 | Jucato | boom1992: specifically which background in konqueror :) |
| 13:16.12 | boom1992 | :-D |
| 13:16.17 | Jucato | see? you're not even sure :) |
| 13:16.23 | boom1992 | are there more then one?? |
| 13:16.40 | Jucato | background color for web pages (Stylesheets) |
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| 13:16.44 | boom1992 | ahh |
| 13:16.50 | boom1992 | ok :-) |
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| 13:17.00 | Jucato | (besides, if you meant file view, the answer was still wrong :P) |
| 13:17.07 | boom1992 | ahh |
| 13:17.11 | boom1992 | it'sa ansicht in german |
| 13:17.17 | boom1992 | ;-) |
| 13:17.42 | Jucato | View menu -> Configure Background... :P |
| 13:17.46 | boom1992 | :-D |
| 13:17.56 | Jucato | so stilll not right :) |
| 13:18.03 | Jucato | too many l's there... |
| 13:18.24 | boom1992 | :-D |
| 13:18.25 | boom1992 | lol |
| 13:19.07 | boom1992 | ansicht->hintergrundfarbe festlegen ( I think he's german, b/c of Name: Herbert) |
| 13:19.08 | boom1992 | ;-) |
| 13:19.17 | Jucato | heh |
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| 13:22.05 | rmaj | you failed at beeing user friendly |
| 13:22.16 | rmaj | my noob friend takes over 2 minutes to find konsole controll center in start menu... |
| 13:22.27 | rmaj | where it is located? or how to lunch it from term? |
| 13:23.06 | Jucato | O.o |
| 13:23.21 | Jucato | K Menu -> System -> Konsole? |
| 13:23.23 | dasKreech | Jucato: http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/super-mario-bros-tesla-coil-319567.php |
| 13:23.40 | rmaj | Jucato: this is the Control Center program? |
| 13:23.53 | Jucato | your sentence really didn't make any sense |
| 13:24.06 | foo-nux | Jucato: Found it, ~/.konquerorrc :) |
| 13:24.15 | rmaj | how to lunch KDE Controll Center? |
| 13:24.20 | Jucato | what distro are you using? It should be in K Menu -> Control Center |
| 13:24.22 | dasKreech | launch |
| 13:24.23 | Jucato | foo-nux: hm? |
| 13:24.38 | rmaj | how to launch KDE Controll Center? |
| 13:24.43 | Jucato | foo-nux: were you looking for the menu config for it? |
| 13:24.48 | Jucato | rmaj: <Jucato> what distro are you using? It should be in K Menu -> Control Center |
| 13:24.49 | dasKreech | rmaj: alt+F2 -> kcontrol -> press enter |
| 13:25.16 | rmaj | thanks |
| 13:25.27 | rmaj | my friend is using ubuntu; I dont have kde here |
| 13:25.32 | Jucato | O.o |
| 13:25.36 | Jucato | Ubuntu is GNOME.... |
| 13:25.49 | Jucato | there will be no KDE Control Center in GNOME |
| 13:25.51 | rmaj | Jucato: lol? |
| 13:25.51 | foo-nux | Jucato: I foudn what I needed, a config file for konqueror :) Not specifically the menus, just the background. |
| 13:25.56 | dasKreech | you wouldn't be able to launch Kcontrol then...at all |
| 13:25.56 | rmaj | Jucato: you can install KDE there |
| 13:26.03 | rmaj | wtf guys? |
| 13:26.05 | Jucato | rmaj: that's why I'm asking what distro |
| 13:26.08 | rmaj | you CAN install kde in ubuntu |
| 13:26.13 | rmaj | aptitude install kde |
| 13:26.16 | foo-nux | rmaj: konsole -> kcontrol |
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| 13:26.22 | rmaj | foo-nux: thanks, works now |
| 13:26.41 | rmaj | Jucato: sign, you can use kde in ubuntu... I thought its obvious |
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| 13:27.00 | Jucato | rmaj: I know! I am a Kubuntu developer |
| 13:27.15 | Jucato | (wow! first time I actually used that title...) |
| 13:27.19 | foo-nux | Jucato: Well, now I am trying to change the original kde menu into a fancy one (with tabs and stuff). But I will google it :) |
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| 13:27.24 | rmaj | Jucato: cool |
| 13:27.26 | Jucato | foo-nux: background while in File Management mode? |
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| 13:27.41 | foo-nux | Jucato: Yes. (I only use konq as filemanager) |
| 13:27.45 | Jucato | rmaj: that's why I'm asking you what distro. because in Kubuntu, System Settings replaces Control Center in the menu |
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| 13:28.00 | rmaj | Jucato: its an Ubuntu, to which we installed kde ;) |
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| 13:28.19 | Jucato | then the Control Center should be right there under the K Menu. |
| 13:28.28 | Jucato | but do what dasKreech said if you can't find it |
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| 13:28.35 | Jucato | foo-nux: View menu -> Configure Background |
| 13:28.48 | foo-nux | Jucato: Well, I now know the file L) |
| 13:29.02 | Jucato | :) |
| 13:29.41 | Jucato | foo-nux: to change the kmenu to something with tabs, you actually need to replace it/install a kmenu replacment (kickoff) |
| 13:29.58 | foo-nux | Jucato: Yes, I thought so. |
| 13:30.18 | foo-nux | Jucato: Hmm, maybe I can manage to do so in my home directory (diont have root on my current machine) |
| 13:30.49 | foo-nux | how is the thing called? |
| 13:31.02 | Jucato | kickoff |
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| 13:31.20 | foo-nux | Jucato: Thanx |
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| 13:39.29 | foo-nux | Jucato: Any idea where I can find the tar ball (.tar.gz)? |
| 13:40.11 | annma | you can get it in svn |
| 13:40.13 | Jucato | kde-apps.org? |
| 13:40.24 | Jucato | depends on your distro too... |
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| 13:40.32 | Jucato | er.. waves |
| 13:40.35 | Jucato | wb again Sho_ |
| 13:40.36 | foo-nux | Jucato: Was checking it, but they seem to sort it by distro |
| 13:40.50 | Jucato | they usually also have tarballs :) |
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| 13:49.53 | foo-nux | Jucato: where? |
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| 13:50.51 | metalfan | hi |
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| 13:51.14 | metalfan | is it possible to suspend konqueror sessions in their current state to drive and reactivate them later? |
| 13:51.23 | metalfan | without rebooting |
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| 14:40.16 | chimaera | hi, i have a suspend key that sends an event (xev) but kde doesn't seem to do, or at least a cannot assign that key to anything. any ideas? |
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| 15:09.07 | GraveDigger | hey there! |
| 15:09.37 | GraveDigger | i have seen, that i have had a scheme called "Advanced Powersave" in kpowersafe, but since the last upgrade that one is gone |
| 15:09.59 | GraveDigger | how do i get it back? with that scheme the second cpu core was disabled for improved power saving |
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| 15:12.15 | eidolon | okay, whoever came up with dolphin? and decided to replace konqueror with dolphin as the primary filesystem browser and file management tool? |
| 15:12.26 | eidolon | i was going to kill you. but... you know... dolphin's pretty good. |
| 15:12.29 | eidolon | :) |
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| 15:12.58 | GraveDigger | the more i try dolphin, the more i hate it |
| 15:13.13 | GraveDigger | it's disturbing my work flow |
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| 15:13.26 | GraveDigger | and my way of using both filemanagement and webbrowsing |
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| 15:14.59 | sabayonuser | greetings |
| 15:15.13 | eidolon | GraveDigger: disturbing a personal workflow isn't always a bad thing. |
| 15:15.25 | eidolon | you might have been stuck in a bad pattern. |
| 15:15.40 | GraveDigger | eidolon: well, in my case it is, and i pretty much like MY work patterns |
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| 15:16.01 | GraveDigger | eidolon: besides i hate it to be dictated a way to do things, which dolphin actually does |
| 15:16.09 | GraveDigger | -which+what |
| 15:16.20 | eidolon | GraveDigger: bet you're an emacs user. :) |
| 15:16.27 | GraveDigger | no, i am not |
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| 15:17.26 | Logi | how do I revert to using konqueror for FM rather than Dolphin in Gutsy? |
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| 15:18.34 | roguebug | ahoy, mates |
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| 15:19.23 | Sho_ | Logi: KControl -> KDE Components -> File Associations -> inode -> directory -> Set to Konq |
| 15:19.46 | Logi | Sho_: ah, didn't think to look under File Associations. Thanks. |
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| 15:20.08 | eidolon | ~sho_++ |
| 15:20.09 | eidolon | :) |
| 15:20.17 | Logi | eidolon: you here, eh? :) |
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| 15:20.43 | Logi | associations for inodes is tres cool. |
| 15:20.52 | Sho_ | true :) |
| 15:21.35 | eidolon | Logi: you mentioend dolphin not remembering detail views. |
| 15:21.40 | eidolon | did you go to preferences and set the default view mode? |
| 15:21.47 | Logi | eidolon: yes |
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| 15:22.05 | eidolon | huh. just worked for me. |
| 15:22.05 | Logi | eidolon: apparently it's a known problem. Typing my question into google I found loads of people moaning, but no solutions :) |
| 15:22.10 | eidolon | ah. |
| 15:22.24 | Logi | eidolon: ok... well, Dolphin is likely to become great, but it's not there yet |
| 15:22.31 | eidolon | has someone also opened a bug that the Dolphin preferences page is titled 'D3lphin Preferences' ? |
| 15:23.44 | Logi | eek! they've done something horrible to the default layout of konqueror in FM mode. |
| 15:23.50 | fred | eidolon: Not a bug. |
| 15:23.57 | fred | https://marrat.homelinux.org/D3lphin |
| 15:24.14 | eidolon | that SSL certificate is invalid. |
| 15:24.21 | eidolon | and then fails :) |
| 15:25.51 | deitarion | I don't suppose anyone here knows how to turn off subpixel anti-aliasing in GTK+ apps without having to install GNOME? I turned it on using KControl to test it, but GTK+ apps kept it enabled when I turned it back off. |
| 15:26.32 | deitarion | (I figured that you guys would be the most likely to have encountered this particular problem and solved it without installing the GNOME control panel) |
| 15:26.39 | eidolon | wow. |
| 15:27.30 | Sho_ | eidolon: Notably that's the home page of "D3lphin", which is a fork of the abandoned KDE 3 version of Dolphin (which is a far cry removed from KDE 4's) |
| 15:27.42 | roguebug | in konqueror in icon view, is it possible to somehow use custom icons for the text and html files instead of the miniature previews? |
| 15:27.59 | Sho_ | eidolon: The home page for the original KDE 3 Dolphin is actually http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/ |
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| 15:28.14 | deitarion | roguebug: Turn off text and HTML preview in KControl and then set icons like you would for any other file type. |
| 15:28.40 | hero | dolphin is pretty simple |
| 15:28.41 | hero | i like that |
| 15:28.48 | hero | but why was everyone against the browser integration? |
| 15:28.48 | roguebug | ok thx deitarion |
| 15:28.54 | kirun | How do I make Kate use something smaller tab-width than 8? I tried turning on the tabs as spaces option, and when I run tools > clean indentation it replaces the tabs with 8 spaces |
| 15:29.20 | eidolon | Sho_: that's fine. a) why is the SSL certificate broken, b) why is itssl'ed to begin with c) why use some L33TSP3/\K name for the project, d) why the hell didn't he put dates on the damned page? it says "renamed" with v 0.9. gosh, thanks, when did that happen? (people seem to forget that webpages last for -YEARS-. i have no clue whether that's a recent change or not. |
| 15:29.23 | eidolon | </rant> |
| 15:29.33 | kirun | and "keep extra spaces" is turned off as well |
| 15:29.36 | Sho_ | roguebug: View -> Preview -> Uncheck "Text Files" |
| 15:29.44 | deitarion | kirun: Settings --> Configure Kate --> Editor --> Editing --> Tab width: |
| 15:30.03 | kirun | ahh, I thought I was being blind, thanks :P |
| 15:31.46 | deitarion | As for Dolphin, I'm reserving my judgement until I get a chance to try a Dolphin KPart inside Konqueror 4. Then I'll decide which KPart I use inside my Konqueror. (The use of Konqueror as a general tabbing-enabled KPart harness is not something I'm willing to give up) |
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| 15:32.26 | hero | the only thing i don't like about konqueror is that when you want to copy the current url, you have to double-click in the address bar |
| 15:32.33 | eidolon | hero: ^L |
| 15:32.38 | Sho_ | deitarion: Umm ... it's not like you can still pick the old KParts |
| 15:32.42 | hero | if you hit ^L, it clears the address bar |
| 15:32.42 | eidolon | that's what i do. ^L, then ^C. |
| 15:32.48 | eidolon | only if you have that bound that way. sec :) |
| 15:32.53 | eidolon | this is a change i did. |
| 15:32.59 | hero | yeah, do tell |
| 15:33.03 | deitarion | Sho_: You're saying that the old filebrowser KPart(s) haven't been ported? |
| 15:33.12 | eidolon | Configure Shortcute-> Location: |
| 15:33.15 | eidolon | change that to ^L |
| 15:33.25 | Sho_ | deitarion: I'm saying that they're gone now in favor of using the same in Dolphin and Konq |
| 15:33.42 | hero | eidolon: that's it? |
| 15:33.50 | eidolon | i'm pretty sure that's all i did. |
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| 15:33.59 | hero | wow |
| 15:34.01 | hero | awesome |
| 15:34.19 | hero | now, too bad you can't make it automagically copy the url to the clipboard when you hit ^L |
| 15:34.41 | eidolon | eh, i've finger-macroed ^L^C |
| 15:34.44 | deitarion | Sho_: Ahh. No big deal then. This is KDE, so I'm sure it'll be configurable enough for my needs. (unlike some GTK-based desktop environments I'll leave unnamed) |
| 15:34.51 | eidolon | i do google searches with ^L<tab> :) |
| 15:34.58 | eidolon | very firefox-like. |
| 15:35.08 | hero | i use the gg stuff |
| 15:35.13 | hero | that's one reason i really like konq |
| 15:35.15 | roguebug | ok thx Sho. |
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| 15:35.21 | eidolon | (gg?) |
| 15:35.37 | deitarion | hero: Same. I've also got yt for youtube and bt for my favorite Torrent search engine. |
| 15:35.51 | deitarion | eidolon: Type "gg: foo" in the address bar to google for "foo". |
| 15:35.56 | eidolon | oh. |
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| 15:36.01 | roguebug | i can deactivate the preview that way, but still it seems i can't attribute individual icons to html and text files |
| 15:36.17 | deitarion | roguebug: Oh, per-file icons. No, you can't do that yet. |
| 15:36.35 | roguebug | ok thx. |
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| 15:36.53 | roguebug | you say "yet". does that mean it's a planned future feature? |
| 15:37.03 | deitarion | roguebug: I don't know. |
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| 15:37.37 | deitarion | However, I know it's already done using a .directory file for folders and I know that POSIX Extended Attributes would be one reasonable way to do it for files. |
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| 15:37.50 | hero | deitarion: is there a guide on how to do that? |
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| 15:38.08 | deitarion | hero: Changing folder icons or programming Extended Attribute file icon support into Konqueror? |
| 15:38.47 | hero | deitarion: no, the yt and bt |
| 15:38.53 | deitarion | hero: Ahh. one sec. |
| 15:39.13 | deitarion | Settings --> Configure Konqueror --> Web Shortcuts |
| 15:39.26 | roguebug | ok thx deitarion |
| 15:39.30 | deitarion | For YouTube, the search URI is this --> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=\{@}&search=Search |
| 15:39.48 | eidolon | wow, konversation did not like the \ in that url :) |
| 15:39.59 | deitarion | For BitTorrent, I prefer this site --> http://www.torrentz.com/search?q=\{@} |
| 15:40.05 | eidolon | oh i see :) |
| 15:40.15 | hero | deitarion: is there a guide on how to write those? |
| 15:40.16 | deitarion | eidolon: What did it do? I'm using X-Chat for it's Python scripting API. |
| 15:40.23 | nilton | hi. i've tried putting a file in ~/.kde/env/ so that it is source when kde is launching, exporting environment variables. but it did not work |
| 15:40.29 | nilton | is there anything i can do |
| 15:40.33 | Sho_ | deitarion: http://www.eikehein.com/konqphin.png |
| 15:40.42 | scotty^ | Does anyone know what the setting is in Konqueror to stop the Window restoring down (changing to a smaller size) everytime you open a new tab or switch tabs? It's driving me nuts. |
| 15:40.52 | eidolon | deitarion: i've completely dropped xchat now. konversation has hit enough functionality that it doesn't make me want to jab myself in the eye everytime i use it. |
| 15:41.05 | eidolon | and the fact that it integrates well is awesome. also worked with the #konversation folks on some bug fixes. |
| 15:41.26 | deitarion | hero: It's simple. Take the results URL from a site and replace the What+I+want part with \{@} |
| 15:42.12 | deitarion | eidolon: I admit it's much nicer than X-Chat, but I'm too used to whipping up little scripts to customize my client behaviour. |
| 15:43.00 | deitarion | I've had "write up a recommendation for API design for the Konqueror devs" on my TODO list for a few months now. I'm hoping to find time to do it before Christmas, but who knows. |
| 15:43.01 | eidolon | well, i modified my /media script in konversation recently - the output was too long. so the scripting stuff works quite well. |
| 15:43.07 | eidolon | this is a script i wrote: |
| 15:43.07 | eidolon | Now playing: Paul Simon - Once Upon A Time There Was An Ocean (Radio Paradise) |
| 15:43.15 | eidolon | not like it's complex or anything. |
| 15:43.20 | deitarion | eidolon: That's equivalent to /exec. I'm talking scripting by hooking events. |
| 15:43.29 | eidolon | ah, that i don't know. haven't pursued it. |
| 15:43.35 | eidolon | homey don't do that shite. |
| 15:43.45 | deitarion | Things like implementing selective /ignore of a complexity beyond what the built-in system can do. |
| 15:44.12 | Logi | ok, another elementary question. Konqueror's File Manager mode now has a black background and I can't find anywhere to change it. I'm just not having any luck doing anything today, I should just give up and go out for a Guiness. |
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| 15:44.34 | deitarion | I did do what I could to improve Konversation via scripting though. I was the one who submitted the patch to add Audacious Media Player support to Konversation's /media |
| 15:45.03 | eidolon | the /meida script is ridiculously complex :) |
| 15:45.05 | eidolon | that's why i just replaced it :) |
| 15:45.19 | eidolon | "uhh. this.. then that. and thos... oh to hell with it." |
| 15:45.27 | deitarion | eidolon: I agree it's complex, but I tend to enjoy a challenge. |
| 15:45.56 | deitarion | Sho_: That screenshot reminds me of another worry about KDE 4. The worry that it won't have any widget themes I'll be able to tolerate. |
| 15:46.12 | Logi | deitarion: yeah, they're all too... cool... |
| 15:46.24 | scotty^ | Does anyone know what the setting is in Konqueror to stop the Window restoring down (changing to a smaller size) everytime you open a new tab or switch tabs? It's driving me nuts. |
| 15:46.25 | Sho_ | deitarion: The widget theme is unfinished, and the window deco in that shot is broken of course :) |
| 15:46.26 | Logi | deitarion: I'm actually going to get stuff done on this thing |
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| 15:47.02 | Logi | considering how nothing works for me today, perhaps I should give kde4 another try? :) |
| 15:47.10 | eidolon | heh |
| 15:47.27 | mnt | I have a small problem. I recently updated to KDE 3.5.8, and I run Xinerama over two screens. Now when I cycle through all open windows with Alt+Tab it only cycles through the windows on the active screen. It doesn't treat both screens as one entire desk. Is there a way to change this behavior? |
| 15:47.41 | eidolon | okay folks, i need to get some work done. |
| 15:47.44 | deitarion | That reminds me: I hope PyKDE4 works with Python 2.5 on Gentoo. (PyKDE 3 doesn't) I'm probably going to need to write my own WinDeco to keep the "rounded corners when maximized" since Baghira isn't being ported. |
| 15:48.10 | deitarion | I'm used to slamming my mouse to the corner and scrolling to change desktops... and that only works if the desktop is exposed by a rounded windeco corner. |
| 15:48.45 | Sho_ | deitarion: Or you could just enable "Allow moving and resizing of maximized windows", which is the preference that controls whether borders are disabled on maximized windows for all decorations |
| 15:49.03 | Sho_ | As for Baghira ... *shudder* :) |
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| 15:49.29 | deitarion | Sho_: It IS enabled. Many WinDeco (including all of the ones that come with KDE except "Web") don't use it to determine whether windeco corners should be rounded on maximized apps. |
| 15:49.31 | hero | deitarion: what do you put in the "URI shortcuts" part? |
| 15:50.05 | deitarion | hero: I used "yt,youtube" for YouTube. ("yt: foo" and "youtube: foo" will work) |
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| 15:50.06 | hero | er |
| 15:50.10 | hero | yeah, n/m :) |
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| 15:50.40 | hero | that's going to be one LONG p*ng response, bud |
| 15:50.53 | deitarion | Sho_: Baghira was a welcome sight after I was stuck with "Web" for over a year. |
| 15:50.58 | Sho_ | deitarion: That's not true -- the standard decoration, Plastik, for example, does |
| 15:51.15 | Sho_ | deitarion: Well, I hope you're just talking about the Baghira deco instead of the style engine :) |
| 15:51.21 | hero | deitarion: awesome. thanks! i wonder what else would go in there. |
| 15:51.22 | deitarion | Sho_: No, it doesn't. I wish it did. |
| 15:51.32 | deitarion | Sho_: I'm using the Plastik style engine. |
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| 15:51.53 | Logi | The one thing that consistently annoys me most about KDE is that when the laptop is disconnected I get an error box from kmail every 5 minutes that it can't connect to the mail server. Couldn't it just make an unhappy face in the panel icon or something and leave me alone, I'm already unhappy about the lask of network :) |
| 15:52.10 | Sho_ | deitarion: I just checked to confirm, and the Plastik deco maintains its rounded corners on maximized windows if "Allow ..." is enabled |
| 15:52.11 | Logi | *lack |
| 15:52.24 | scotty^ | Can anyone hear me? |
| 15:52.32 | Logi | scotty^: no |
| 15:52.33 | Sho_ | deitarion: So does "Smooth Blend", also shipped with KDE |
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| 15:52.39 | scotty^ | lol Logi |
| 15:52.51 | Sho_ | deitarion: Ditto for "Keramik", also shipped with KDE |
| 15:53.11 | Sho_ | deitarion: And for System++ |
| 15:53.15 | deitarion | Sho_: It maintains it's rounded corners at the top but not bottom as far as I can tell. |
| 15:53.34 | Sho_ | deitarion: All decorations in kdelibs/kdebase/kdeartwork that used shaped decorations maintain their shape on maximized windows when "Allow .." is enabled |
| 15:53.34 | deitarion | I should have qualified my statement with "that I can stand". I can't stand Keramik and System++ |
| 15:53.49 | scotty^ | That's like the old joke where you ask someone if they are deaf and they respond with "What?" :) |
| 15:54.14 | Sho_ | deitarion: You might like Knifty: http://www.eikehein.com/konq-domino.png |
| 15:55.01 | scotty^ | OK, I'll ask one last time and then assume that no-one knows the answer (although a "no" or three would be nice). |
| 15:55.06 | scotty^ | Does anyone know what the setting is in Konqueror to stop the Window restoring down (changing to a smaller size) everytime you open a new tab or switch tabs? It's driving me nuts. |
| 15:55.14 | deitarion | Sho_: Try maximizing with Keramik and scrolling on the bottom corners. On my system, it only retains rounded corners at the top... where it's normally covered by my taskbar. |
| 15:55.21 | scotty^ | And when I say nuts, I mean NUTS! |
| 15:55.58 | Sho_ | deitarion: The reason why the Keramik decoration doesn't retain rounded corners at the bottom is because it doesn't have rounded corners at the bottom |
| 15:56.27 | deitarion | Yes it does. There's one pixel at each corner which should be showing desktop. Want a zoomed comparative screenshot? |
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| 15:57.03 | scotty^ | I've looked in Setting>Configure Konqueror but couldn't find anything. |
| 15:57.36 | Sho_ | deitarion: http://www.eikehein.com/keramik_bottom.png |
| 15:57.51 | scotty^ | oops - Settings>Configure Konqueror |
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| 15:58.54 | nilton | hi. how does ~/.kde/env works? |
| 15:59.25 | hero | yes, i love konqueror |
| 15:59.33 | hero | if only it were ported so that all my friends could share in my joy |
| 15:59.49 | Sho_ | nilton: Every file ending in .sh in ~/.kde/env/ is sourced by KDE's session startup script (startkde) early in its run |
| 15:59.52 | deitarion | Sho_: http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=temp14dy5.png |
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| 16:00.11 | Sho_ | deitarion: Looks like Plastik to me, not Keramik |
| 16:00.16 | nilton | Sho_: but what if it's not working? |
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| 16:00.40 | deitarion | Sho_: I keep getting them mixed up. I can't stand Keramik and I wish Plastik would retain rounded corners. |
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| 16:01.38 | nilton | Sho_: i've put a file there, but the env variables i've defined in the file aren't defined... |
| 16:01.58 | scotty^ | G'day fedora_ - did u see that Fedora 8 has been released? |
| 16:02.13 | spawn57 | oooOOo how is fedora 8? |
| 16:02.18 | Sho_ | nilton: A couple of reasons come to mind: (a) you forgot to use export, (b) your distro uses something as /bin/sh that is not bash, and you're using bashisms, (c) your distro modified startkde badly |
| 16:02.23 | TimS | haha, this is the default nick under F8 :P |
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| 16:02.48 | Sho_ | deitarion: Knifty has that "desktop pixel" at the bottom, btw |
| 16:02.53 | scotty^ | Haven't tried it yet - will probably wait until I build my new PC later this month. |
| 16:03.10 | deitarion | Sho_: Nice. :) Looks like I know what I'll be switching to when I get tired of Baghira then. |
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| 16:03.41 | scotty^ | lol Tim6 |
| 16:04.01 | nilton | thanks Sho_, i'll try to investigate this further |
| 16:04.07 | deitarion | Of course, if I ever figure out how to get an un-managed window to accept input, I'll just put a one-pixel always-on-top un-managed window in each corner and solve my problem for all windecos. |
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| 16:05.05 | scotty^ | Tim6 - maybe you can give some inight to spawn57's question. |
| 16:05.22 | spawn57 | :D |
| 16:05.26 | spawn57 | how's fedora 8? |
| 16:05.27 | Sho_ | deitarion: Knifty was actually written by the same person who wrote the Plastik deco and style engine, Sandro Giessl. I like that it has the properties of the OSX deco that I like, without being an outright clone, and having more expressive symbols. |
| 16:06.17 | deitarion | Heh. I just realized that I also habitually use those "desktop pixels" to access my launcher menu. |
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| 16:06.37 | phao | how do i show only the application icon in the taskbar? |
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| 16:07.23 | deitarion | phao: I'm not sure you can. Give me a sec to see if I can find anything. |
| 16:07.57 | phao | the taskbar, there is the window list there, with an icon + window title |
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| 16:08.10 | phao | i want to see only the icon. |
| 16:08.33 | deitarion | phao: No, I think you'll need to use an alternate taskbar widget/program. Would a MacOS X clone be acceptable? I know I've seen one of those around. |
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| 16:08.49 | phao | the mac os one is a good exemple |
| 16:09.29 | phao | i'll link a png here |
| 16:09.31 | phao | wait a mom |
| 16:09.49 | mjf55 | quit |
| 16:09.56 | mjf55 | #quit |
| 16:10.23 | phao | if you want to quit, try /exit or /quit |
| 16:10.50 | eidolon | or click the little [x] :) |
| 16:11.25 | phao | deitarion: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/Adrielbr/taskbar.png |
| 16:11.50 | mjf55 | thanks bye |
| 16:11.52 | phao | i want this, may seem strange you seeing that, because it seems that i, already, have that. |
| 16:12.35 | phao | but to have that i have to click in the taskbar separator (the separator between windows list and desktop list) |
| 16:12.41 | phao | click and hold i mean. |
| 16:12.54 | deitarion | phao: Oh, just make your taskbar too small for it to show text and it'll be forced to use that look. |
| 16:12.55 | phao | if i release, it back to the icon + window title |
| 16:13.05 | phao | hmm |
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| 16:13.47 | phao | deitarion: how? |
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| 16:14.08 | deitarion | The easiest way to prevent it from auto-growing is to either move it to the right end of the taskbar (it only auto-grows to the right) or to put something immediately to it's right. (eg. that desktop switcher or one of the quick-launch icons) |
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| 16:14.19 | Roobarb-Work | I've recently noticed that the KDE control centre is displaying a battery meter for my Logitech MX700 mouse. Is there any way to get this displayed in the taskbar ? |
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| 16:16.59 | phao | deitarion: well but if i do that |
| 16:17.05 | phao | i'll appear a |
| 16:17.23 | phao | two arrow < plus > when i open many windows |
| 16:17.57 | deitarion | phao: Well, that's your only option. Icons are intended only as an emergency measure to try to avoid those arrows. |
| 16:18.24 | deitarion | The alternative would be to use a MacOS X clone like KXDocker or KSmoothDock. |
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| 16:19.11 | phao | :( |
| 16:19.13 | deitarion | There are some screenshots of KSmoothDock here --> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=6585 |
| 16:20.08 | scotty^ | Roobarb-Work - where in the control centre did you see that? |
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| 16:21.18 | Roobarb-Work | scotty^: on the Peripherals > Mouse > "MX700 optical mouse" |
| 16:21.35 | spawn57 | tjere |
| 16:21.39 | spawn57 | there's awn too |
| 16:22.02 | scotty^ | hmm - what version of KDE do you have? |
| 16:22.59 | Roobarb-Work | scode: KDE 3.5.6 |
| 16:23.18 | scotty^ | KDE 3.5.5 here - could also be because I'm using Knoppix 5.1.1, although Knoppix did detect my mouse as a Logitech MX700 wheel mouse during startup |
| 16:23.22 | scotty^ | hmm |
| 16:23.23 | spawn57 | I wonder what kontact and akregator are like in kde4? |
| 16:23.47 | Roobarb-Work | scotty^: Mandriva 2007.1 here |
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| 16:24.39 | Roobarb-Work | scotty^: http://www.linux-corner.info/kdemouse.png |
| 16:24.57 | scotty^ | Roobarb - on a separate topic - what version of KPDF is included in KDE 3.5.6? |
| 16:25.14 | Roobarb-Work | 0.5.6 |
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| 16:26.11 | phao | how do I add an item to the 'start' list, so it'll be opened when I open KDE, like a KDE AUTOSTART PROGRAM LIST. |
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| 16:26.11 | scotty^ | ok, thanks |
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| 16:31.47 | ICQnumber | what is the default kde theme |
| 16:32.25 | deitarion | ICQnumber: Plastik... I think. |
| 16:32.45 | Xemanth | Crystal? |
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| 16:42.18 | phao | hmm |
| 16:42.30 | phao | i think i've made a good configuration here, no desktop icons, no task bar |
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| 16:42.44 | FreshPrince | morning.. |
| 16:42.47 | phao | didnt know that i could assing menus to right/middle buttons |
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| 16:46.36 | skkeeper | *fresh |
| 16:46.47 | skkeeper | *fedora 8 |
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| 17:26.14 | The_Machine | anyone use kmail for their default mail app? |
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| 17:26.40 | boom1992 | The_Machine: yes (Kontact->KMail) |
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| 17:28.20 | The_Machine | or do you use a notifier? |
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| 17:28.40 | boom1992 | I have the SysTrayIcon |
| 17:28.50 | The_Machine | what is that? |
| 17:28.52 | boom1992 | then Kontact is not in the Taskbar, but open |
| 17:29.02 | The_Machine | i'm sick of having it open |
| 17:29.07 | The_Machine | but haven't found a good notifier |
| 17:29.07 | boom1992 | :-D |
| 17:29.18 | boom1992 | it's the default one of kmail |
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| 17:29.39 | boom1992 | just set the SysTrayIcon and download the mail every 30 minutes |
| 17:29.41 | boom1992 | mom |
| 17:30.17 | boom1992 | KMail->Settings->sysTray I think, but I have the german translatio installed |
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| 17:30.33 | boom1992 | so could be that I haven't translated correct :-( |
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| 17:31.04 | The_Machine | oh, there it is! |
| 17:31.06 | The_Machine | heh |
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| 17:31.30 | The_Machine | ugh, it counts the gmail spam folder as "new mail" |
| 17:31.32 | The_Machine | haha |
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| 17:32.24 | boom1992 | :-D |
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| 17:47.24 | Armand | No |
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| 17:52.48 | Nyle | hello |
| 17:53.22 | Nyle | Ever since I started using Konqueror as a web browser fulltime, everytime I search google, it says moderate safe search is on |
| 17:53.35 | Nyle | I go into google preferences and always set it to do not filter my search restuls |
| 17:53.40 | Nyle | but it always filters it |
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| 17:54.13 | Nyle | when I open the google preferences page however, 'do not filter my search results' is always selected, but when you search it says safe search is on |
| 17:54.47 | Mrrrrz0r | sounds like a cookie issue |
| 17:54.49 | Nyle | this doesn't happen with firefox |
| 17:54.55 | Nyle | I cleared them all out |
| 17:55.00 | Nyle | and tried again, same thing happens |
| 17:55.20 | Jucato | did you set Konqueror to accept cookies from google.com? |
| 17:55.24 | Nyle | yes |
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| 17:55.49 | Nyle | i have accept all cookies enabled |
| 17:56.02 | Nyle | there is no per site policy set on anything |
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| 17:56.24 | Nyle | i'll do it again |
| 17:56.28 | Nyle | I go to management |
| 17:56.37 | Nyle | click google.com, and delete |
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| 17:57.02 | Nyle | I deleted the cookie |
| 17:57.08 | Nyle | all cookies for google.com gone |
| 17:57.27 | Nyle | i search soemthing from the little search bar up top in konqueror that has a google icon next to it |
| 17:57.36 | Nyle | safe search is still on |
| 17:58.01 | Nyle | now we go to google preferences, and set it to off |
| 17:58.15 | Nyle | now im gonna restart konqueror and more than likely it will do the same thing again |
| 17:58.37 | Nyle | yup, safe search is still on |
| 17:58.40 | Nyle | :( |
| 18:00.02 | Nyle | I figured it out |
| 18:00.08 | Nyle | I am using kubuntu |
| 18:00.14 | Nyle | that is the problem |
| 18:00.18 | Jucato | O.o |
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| 18:00.32 | Nyle | I will have to test in another distro |
| 18:00.35 | Nyle | but anyway |
| 18:00.46 | Nyle | I did all the steps agin, but instead of using the toolbar to search |
| 18:00.59 | Nyle | I just went to google.com and searched, and my results were not filtered |
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| 18:01.11 | Nyle | so the problm seems to be with the kde address toolbar and the search bar |
| 18:01.29 | Nyle | if you use those to search, safe search is always on regardless of your cookie setting |
| 18:01.36 | Nyle | very strange |
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| 18:02.22 | Nyle | http://www.google.com/search?as_q=\{all,@}&num=\{num,"10"}&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=\{exact,""}&as_oq=\{any,""}&as_eq=\{without,""}&lr=\{lang,""}&as_ft=\{ft,"i"}&as_filetype=\{filetype,""}&as_qdr=\{date,"all"}&as_occt=\{occ,"any"}&as_dt=\{siteop,"i"}&as_sitesearch=\{site}&safe=\{safe,"active"}&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
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| 18:02.48 | Nyle | see the problem is with the konqueror search provider entry |
| 18:03.17 | Nyle | cookies are fine if you just use google.com |
| 18:03.17 | Nyle | see towards end of line |
| 18:03.33 | Nyle | &as_sitesearch=\{site}&safe=\{safe,"active"} |
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| 18:03.51 | Nyle | lets try to take out the safe active part to inactive |
| 18:04.05 | Nyle | aha |
| 18:04.08 | Nyle | there are two options |
| 18:04.17 | Nyle | google.com and advanced google search |
| 18:04.23 | Nyle | gg vs. ggx |
| 18:04.34 | Nyle | http://www.google.com/search?q=\{@}&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 18:04.45 | Nyle | I had the advanced one selected as default I guess |
| 18:05.24 | Nyle | Jucato: so now you know whats going on :) |
| 18:05.44 | Jucato | :) |
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| 18:26.49 | voonte | Are there any IRC clients for KDE4 (using qt4) yet? |
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| 18:29.16 | B-Minus | does anyone else have troubles using kde with compiz in combination with a intel gfx card ? |
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| 18:29.19 | B-Minus | i cant see titlebars |
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| 18:30.55 | thebeee | i've set the background of my kde-desktop to a wallpaper......... |
| 18:31.08 | thebeee | but i cant click on the links of the wallpaper, is this possible..? |
| 18:32.22 | pinotree | since when _wallpapers_ (not other kind of desktop background) can have links? |
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| 18:34.04 | sandsmark | is it possible to run php-scripts in konqueror, without a webserver? |
| 18:34.15 | thebeee | dont think so |
| 18:34.23 | amro | is there a way to get konversation to display utf-8? |
| 18:34.25 | Sho_ | yes, you can show the terminal emulator and run them with the php cli ;) |
| 18:34.29 | sandsmark | ;) |
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| 18:34.38 | Sho_ | amro: Utf-8 is Konversation's standard encoding ;) |
| 18:34.42 | thebeee | Sho_: the answer is still 'No' not 'Yes' |
| 18:34.44 | sandsmark | but what is the cgi-settings in kcontrol for, then? |
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| 18:35.10 | sandsmark | php has a perfectly good cgi-interface;) |
| 18:35.25 | amro | Sho_: that's what I assumed, but I'm getting garbage instead of kanji |
| 18:35.38 | Sho_ | amro: Might be a lack-of-glyphs-in-font issue |
| 18:35.51 | Sho_ | amro: Since Qt3 also sucks at automatic glyph substitution |
| 18:36.03 | amro | Sho_: usually I get squares for that. also, I doubt I lack ALL glyphs |
| 18:36.27 | amro | they show up fine in Kate, Konqueror, etc |
| 18:36.57 | sandsmark | Sho_: it isn't all that bad, or at least it usually looks good in Kubuntu |
| 18:36.59 | Sho_ | amro: Kanji are in active use, right? One of our developers is Japanese, |
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| 18:37.26 | amro | Sho_: here's the odd part, one of the nicklist themes is named in Japanese and shows up fine |
| 18:38.06 | Shirakawasuna | so, right now in Konqueror, scrolling say slashdot with the down key results in some pretty noticeable delay. Does this happen for others and is it being addressed in KDE4? It isn't just my computer necessarily, as firefox and opera are responsive. |
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| 18:38.32 | Sho_ | amro: Well, here's the usual check list: (a) Make sure that the tab is actually set to Utf-8 by looking at the Encoding sub menu of its context menu; (b) Check your Identity's Default Encoding Setting (F8 or through the Network Settings dialog, (c) make sure what you're trying to display is really Utf-8 |
| 18:38.35 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: it's your display drivers |
| 18:38.43 | amro | Sho_: nevermind I suspect that was a different encoding, my own text showed up fine |
| 18:38.46 | sandsmark | most probably |
| 18:38.56 | Shirakawasuna | sandsmark: well, it couldn't be *entirely* my display drivers. Like I said, firefox and opera don't have this issue. |
| 18:39.00 | amro | Sho_: thanks for helping :) |
| 18:39.09 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: they accelerate differently |
| 18:39.11 | Shirakawasuna | sandsmark: I'm using the i810 drivers by intel |
| 18:39.16 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: try switching between exa and xaa |
| 18:39.17 | Shirakawasuna | /driver |
| 18:39.28 | pinotree | Shirakawasuna: disable exa? |
| 18:39.30 | sandsmark | and/or lowering your color depth |
| 18:39.33 | Shirakawasuna | I use xaa |
| 18:39.43 | Shirakawasuna | exa makes fullscreen videos crappy |
| 18:39.55 | Sho_ | amro: If you end up having any more problems with Japanese you can also ask strm, who is a Japanese Konversation developer |
| 18:40.01 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: the intel drivers aren't fully compatible, so it slows some rendering down |
| 18:40.07 | Shirakawasuna | k |
| 18:40.08 | sandsmark | (with xaa, that is) |
| 18:40.11 | sandsmark | I use exa at least for now |
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| 18:40.42 | Shirakawasuna | so does konqueror in KDE4 still render like konqueror in KDE3, as opposed to the smoothness in firefox/opera? |
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| 18:42.06 | marius_ | could anybody tell my: can i mount netwok (ftp) drive with konqueror same like with nautilus? Thanks. |
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| 18:42.22 | sandsmark | marius_: you don't need to mount it |
| 18:42.32 | marius_ | ? |
| 18:42.33 | sandsmark | marius_: just access it with ftp:// |
| 18:42.35 | Shirakawasuna | marius_: I'm not sure if it's the same, but you can certainly use konqueror to access a network drive |
| 18:42.59 | sandsmark | marius_: you can also create a shortcut in the Networks-thingy, so you don't have to type the address every time |
| 18:43.04 | Sho_ | marius_: You can use ftp:// in any KDE file dialog (i.e. file pickers and file managers), read and write. Same for sftp, Samba, WebDAV, and so on. |
| 18:43.05 | marius_ | yes, i know, but it asking for anonymous password all the time. |
| 18:43.21 | pinotree | ftp://user@host |
| 18:43.26 | sandsmark | marius_: do you use dolphin or konqueror? |
| 18:43.28 | pinotree | it will ask for the password |
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| 18:43.48 | marius_ | konqueror |
| 18:43.57 | sandsmark | marius_: go to "remote:/" and click Add a Network Folder |
| 18:44.11 | marius_ | i have tried all that things. |
| 18:44.14 | marius_ | :) |
| 18:44.17 | sandsmark | marius_: it will create a shortcut you can access mroe easily, and you can also set username |
| 18:44.21 | marius_ | thanks anyway. |
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| 18:45.57 | thebeee | is it possible to start konqueror fullscreen from cli? |
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| 18:46.27 | Sho_ | thebeee: kstart --fullscreen konqueror |
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| 18:47.17 | marius_ | yes, but ftp server kick me out because ftp access is limited. When i was using gnome/nautilus never was like that. so, why i am asking. I am missing this thing in konqueror. |
| 18:47.46 | sandsmark | marius_: you might have to set down the amount of simultanious connections |
| 18:48.44 | thebeee | Sho_: yes ok, but without toolbars? (like f11 in IE/FF) |
| 18:49.21 | Shirakawasuna | marius_: if you're getting sick of being prompted for passwords, perhaps you could use the password manager along with it. I haven't accessed any personal ftp shares, though, so I'm not positive that it's integrated. Seems like it should be, though. |
| 18:49.34 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: it is integrated |
| 18:49.43 | Sho_ | thebeee: Firefox' fullscreen mode leaves the toolbar enabled, too, unless you manually hide it - same with Konq |
| 18:49.48 | Shirakawasuna | sandsmark: ah, cool |
| 18:49.50 | Sho_ | (and IE, too, iirc) |
| 18:50.04 | marius_ | how could i do that? |
| 18:50.19 | sandsmark | what exactly does the "CGI Scripts" kcmodule configure? |
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| 18:51.16 | Sho_ | sandsmark: Click the little help button in the top-right |
| 18:51.31 | Sho_ | sandsmark: It sets the search paths for cgi:/, basically |
| 18:51.50 | thebeee | Sho_: FF & IE hide the toolbars |
| 18:51.57 | thebeee | therefor its called fullscreen mode ;) |
| 18:52.24 | Sho_ | thebeee: Strange then that Firefox 2.0.0.9 on my three systems does not |
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| 18:53.08 | amro | it hides everything but the address bar, search bar and navigation buttons |
| 18:53.14 | Sho_ | thebeee: Nor does Internet Explorer 7 in a Windows XP virtual machine |
| 18:53.15 | thebeee | ^^ |
| 18:53.24 | thebeee | what amro says.. |
| 18:53.48 | thebeee | problem is, i got a webpage (Www.cppreference.com) i would like to have as a background on my desktop |
| 18:53.57 | Sho_ | thebeee: Err, so set up your Konq toolbars like that? |
| 18:54.09 | thebeee | if i use kwebsite, i see it properly |
| 18:54.16 | Sho_ | I have a single-toolbar setup in my Konq, so Konq's fullscreen mode is identical to Fx and IEs here |
| 18:54.17 | thebeee | but i cant use the links |
| 18:54.33 | Jucato | thebeee: kwebdesktop doesn't really put a real web page on your desktop |
| 18:54.36 | thebeee | but i can also use another application to provide the background............ |
| 18:54.43 | thebeee | Jucato: i know, its just a png screenshot |
| 18:54.46 | Sho_ | thebeee: kwebdesktop exports a PNG file that is set as wallpaper |
| 18:54.46 | amro | come to think of it, konq does the same as firefox |
| 18:54.50 | sandsmark | thebeee: /me has identical Firefox and Konqueror in fullscreen too |
| 18:54.51 | amro | I don't use FF at all thoug |
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| 18:55.19 | thebeee | so the question basicly is, how do use a fullscreen webpage as a wallpaper |
| 18:55.24 | thebeee | while being able to click the links.............. |
| 18:55.31 | Sho_ | thebeee: The "use application to provide background" system inherently works by the app outputting a PNG |
| 18:56.04 | Sho_ | thebeee: If you want interactive websites as desktop, you will have to wait for KDE 4. Once we got WebKit on QGV in Qt 4.4, the desktop containment or a Plasmoid can easily use a website as BG. |
| 18:56.11 | thebeee | Sho_: yes indeed, so i dont want to use that |
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| 18:56.19 | thebeee | kstart --skiptaskbar --fullscreen --alldesktops --keepbelow firefox http://comptune.com |
| 18:56.34 | JohnMS_WORK | I have a GNU/Linux server and I need to share a calendar between several people in remote locations, Kontact is our client, ideas? |
| 18:56.38 | thebeee | this works........ > but then i have toolbars....and a menubar |
| 18:57.09 | amro | thebeee: can't you just keep a tab open on cppreference? |
| 18:57.10 | sandsmark | JohnMS_WORK: kolab? |
| 18:57.19 | Sho_ | thebeee: So create a profile that has all toolbars hidden, and use the --profile call on Konq |
| 18:57.40 | thebeee | great idea :) |
| 18:57.46 | Sho_ | thebeee: and if you use kstart --fullscreen you shouldn't get a menu bar (I don't) |
| 18:57.47 | JohnMS_WORK | sandsmark: We only need calendar sharing. We don't need mail, etc. |
| 18:58.07 | Sho_ | thebeee: But the whole kstart thing will not get you a website as desktop BG anyway - the window will be above the desktop icons. |
| 18:58.13 | Sho_ | thebeee: To do it properly, you'll have to wait for 4 |
| 18:58.42 | thebeee | i dont have any desktop icons |
| 18:58.50 | thebeee | desktop icons are crap |
| 18:58.51 | thebeee | :D |
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| 19:19.45 | FiNeX | hi! |
| 19:21.01 | FiNeX | for a problem with kdesvn-build, who can I ask? |
| 19:21.13 | aseigo | FiNeX: mpyne |
| 19:21.27 | FiNeX | aseigo: ok, thx :-) |
| 19:21.32 | aseigo | FiNeX: he's not online atm, but he's the author/maintainer. |
| 19:21.54 | aseigo | FiNeX: if it's a general usage question, you can tryin #kde-devel .. several people in there use kdesvn-build afaik ... well, assuming you're using it with kde4 =) |
| 19:22.13 | FiNeX | yes, I'm trying to install it |
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| 19:23.01 | FiNeX | I'll go to #kde-devel :-) |
| 19:23.30 | aseigo | er, #kde4-devel for kde4.. typo |
| 19:24.18 | FiNeX | ... :) |
| 19:24.27 | leolein | Is there any developpers who speak german? |
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| 19:25.12 | FiNeX | aseigo: I've just read on your blog that tomorrow is krush day... |
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| 19:26.58 | aseigo | FiNeX: yep |
| 19:27.09 | aseigo | leolein: a lot of them. but this isn't a devel channel. |
| 19:27.43 | FiNeX | aseigo: How can a simple user help? |
| 19:27.49 | FiNeX | (as me) |
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| 19:28.51 | aseigo | FiNeX: install kde4 and be ready to help test apps, triage bug reports and apply patches to confirm fixes |
| 19:28.55 | leolein | aseigo: I will find a developper who speak german, because i can't speak enough english. |
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| 19:30.01 | aseigo | leolein: there is also #kde.de ... but that's a user channel... ask in #kde4-devel though |
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| 19:30.52 | FiNeX | aseigo: ok, I'll try! :-) :-) |
| 19:31.38 | leolein | Thank you. Well in #kde.de nobody give me an answer |
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| 19:35.46 | Umbar | why |
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| 19:37.25 | Umbar | I ASKED WHY |
| 19:37.38 | Armand | and, no-one cares, moron.. |
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| 19:38.51 | Umbar | you're wrong |
| 19:39.10 | Armand | ofc, you didn't go to school. |
| 19:39.34 | Umbar | poor Armand |
| 19:40.47 | Umbar | poor Armand |
| 19:41.00 | Armand | obviously not.. |
| 19:41.09 | Armand | Can't even troll properly. |
| 19:41.15 | Armand | poor dUmbar |
| 19:41.31 | Umbar | Armand sucks |
| 19:41.42 | Armand | Only when your mother pays for it.. |
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| 19:44.08 | Armand | pppfff. |
| 19:44.20 | Umbar | offf |
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| 19:44.31 | Umbar | poor Armand, he can't suck |
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| 19:44.54 | ma3x | why is kmail giving me warning server terminated the connection? I have disabled the automatic checks and I didn't press the check mail button |
| 19:44.56 | ma3x | a bug? |
| 19:45.16 | Armand | Yeah, thats great.. kick me for trying to educate the moron. |
| 19:45.17 | aseigo | ma3x: there may have been an existing connection still around? e.g. an ongoing imap session? |
| 19:45.19 | Armand | thanks. |
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| 19:45.36 | FiNeX | ma3x: are you using imap? |
| 19:45.38 | imagine | how can you enable kwin-composite in kde4? |
| 19:45.40 | ma3x | aseigo, there isn't it repeats itself randomly every 5mins - 1 hour |
| 19:45.42 | ma3x | i use pop only |
| 19:45.47 | ma3x | no imap |
| 19:46.03 | aseigo | imagine: right click on a window title bar, configure window behaviour, last page in the list on the left |
| 19:46.40 | imagine | aseigo: ty! |
| 19:46.50 | aseigo | ma3x: that is odd ... would be interesting to see what it is trying to do on the network. does it specifically reference your pop accountin the error? |
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| 19:47.18 | ma3x | aseigo, I don't understand your question |
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| 19:49.34 | aseigo | ma3x: does the error message say something specifically about your pop account? or are you just assuming that's what it must be talking about? |
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| 19:52.13 | ma3x | the server terminated the connection |
| 19:52.24 | ma3x | hold on when it happens again i will tell you what exactly it says |
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| 19:54.26 | bb_ | question: where can I find a list of all kde packages with a brief discription about each one. |
| 19:55.10 | aseigo | bb_: "all kde packages" ... you mean the ones like kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, etc? |
| 19:55.29 | aseigo | bb_: are you looking to build from source ... or just install kde apps? |
| 19:55.29 | bb_ | aseigo: yes sir! :) |
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| 19:56.08 | bb_ | i only emerged the start-kde...so I want to know what else is out there for my machine |
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| 20:00.32 | phao | where can I find windows themes for KDE? |
| 20:00.46 | bb_ | kde-look.org? |
| 20:00.48 | phao | ok |
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| 20:05.19 | phao | this kde-look.org is kinda slow... |
| 20:05.33 | phao | i've clicked to download there is a lot of time and loading still |
| 20:05.35 | bb_ | yeah it is |
| 20:05.39 | bb_ | but its a good site |
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| 20:06.53 | phao | ok |
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| 20:11.47 | PAssW0rld | Salut ! |
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| 20:20.12 | phao | i have a .emerald window decoration theme file, how do i install it? |
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| 20:24.05 | pinotree | phao: please ask in #beryl |
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| 20:24.57 | phao | lol |
| 20:25.47 | pinotree | what "lol"? emerald is not something kde-related |
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| 20:27.47 | phao | yeah, i know |
| 20:27.56 | phao | but i though i was downloaded a KDE theme |
| 20:27.58 | phao | not a beryl theme |
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| 20:57.13 | shwouchk | for some reaon In konqueror I only have an option to create a 'link to device' (under 'create new')... how can I fix that? |
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| 21:02.33 | smarter | Hi |
| 21:02.57 | smarter | I'm trying to build kde4 with kdebuild-svn |
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| 21:03.10 | smarter | I mean kdesvn-build |
| 21:03.21 | smarter | but it doesn't start compiling kdebase |
| 21:03.44 | smarter | It says "Waiting for source code update." but nothing happens |
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| 21:05.01 | smarter | ...apparently it just started to fetch something from the svn, but I get strange messages like "Unable to switch snapshot Subversion source to the KDE Subversion server!" |
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| 22:37.44 | Deformati | How do I get the battery applet on kicker? |
| 22:37.50 | Deformati | For some reason it is not there. |
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| 22:40.26 | gkiagia | Deformati: kcontrol->power management->battery |
| 22:40.33 | gkiagia | or install kpowersave |
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| 22:42.07 | Deformati | Cool, thanks gkiagia |
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| 23:05.30 | splinter | hello |
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| 23:06.05 | splinter | this chan is full EN ? |
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| 23:06.37 | pinotree | yes |
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| 23:06.51 | Mirrakor | splinter: yup |
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| 23:08.45 | nicio | but no one talking |
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| 23:11.58 | pinotree | well, noone is asking |
| 23:13.21 | splinter | ok |
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| 23:13.35 | splinter | i want see each tasks of desktop in my taskbar, |
| 23:13.45 | splinter | but i don't found the option. |
| 23:13.46 | splinter | there i see all tasks of all desktop in my taskbar. |
| 23:14.34 | pinotree | right click on the panel → add applet → taskbar ? |
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| 23:17.23 | splinter | why 'add applet' ? pinotree |
| 23:17.42 | pinotree | it's an applet |
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| 23:19.29 | nicio | how to get here from windows? |
| 23:19.38 | splinter | i don't want add applet, i want just see the tasks of each desktop in taskbar of this desktop |
| 23:19.58 | pinotree | splinter: you have to add the applet that shows the tasks |
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| 23:22.16 | Esteth | Does anyone know how to get kde window decorations in gnome? I don't want the whole window manager, just the decorations |
| 23:23.21 | pinotree | unless there's something like a "proxy decoration" or i don't know what for your window manager, no. |
| 23:23.24 | thiago_home | Esteth: run kwin |
| 23:23.38 | thiago_home | or read your WM's documentation on how to load kwin modules. |
| 23:24.12 | pinotree | (i think kwin modules are quite qt/kde/kwin specific) |
| 23:24.13 | Esteth | thiago_home: So my window manager would be compiz, if i'm running it? kwin takes over the entire manager |
| 23:24.25 | splinter | pinotree: when i minimize windows, i can see the task in taskbar, i dont need an applet |
| 23:24.43 | thiago_home | Esteth: if you want KDE window decorations, the best way to do that is using kwin. |
| 23:24.48 | pinotree | splinter: well, the taskbar _is_ an applet itself :) |
| 23:24.58 | thiago_home | Esteth: if you don't want to use kwin, you need to find out how to make the WM that you do want to use load kwin modules. |
| 23:25.01 | Esteth | thiago_home: If i run kwin, can i run compiz too? |
| 23:25.06 | pinotree | no |
| 23:25.11 | thiago_home | Esteth: as far as I know, the only program that can load kwin modules is kwin. |
| 23:25.20 | thiago_home | no, you can only have one WM running at a time, per display. |
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| 23:25.56 | Esteth | OK, thanks a lot :) looks like i'll have to find a domino window decoraations for emerald or gnome then |
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| 23:56.26 | feindbild | PeterFA: WTF? |
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