IRC log for #kde on 20071001

`00:00.06`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`Now it crashes as soon as I run it, with SIGFPE. No output or anything, just crashes.`
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`00:01.24`	`litb`	`just watch this one, i really hope plasma gets even better than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRSO7p0HAIw`
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`00:05.06`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`litb: What exactly are moonlight and silverlight?`
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`00:05.30`	`andycr`	`hi, what is the console command for that dialog box that shows the file copy/move/download status in konqueror?`
`00:05.55`	`andycr`	`ie how would I call it from console?`
`00:06.02`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`andycr: Uhhh, konqueror? :P`
`00:06.14`	`andycr`	`Digital_Pioneer: Yeah, but I just want the copy dialog`
`00:06.24`	`andycr`	`so like cp, but showing that dialog for status`
`00:06.46`	`andycr`	`ie kde-copy file1 /home/me/file2`
`00:07.01`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`Yeah... IDK, I assume that's just a builtin frontend for kio*`
`00:07.06`	`andycr`	`and it pops up the dialog, copying the file and showing the status as if i had copied it using konqueror`
`00:08.52`	`andycr`	`also is there something similar to deskbar for kde?`
`00:09.06`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`What's deskbar?`
`00:09.18`	`andycr`	`hmm`
`00:09.34`	`andycr`	`you click it, and type a few letters of a programs name, and hit enter and it opens it`
`00:09.51`	`andycr`	`ie click->kon->enter->konqueror pops up`
`00:10.00`	`andycr`	`it also does searches using tracker or beagle`
`00:10.44`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`katapult`
`00:11.04`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`Kat. also works as a scientific calculator. :)`
`00:11.19`	`andycr`	`hmm`
`00:11.27`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`You've probably got it installed, just alt-f2 and run katapult`
`00:11.39`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`Open its dialog with Alt-Space`
`00:11.41`	`andycr`	`it says press alt+space to use it, but when I do it brings up the right click dialog of the current window`
`00:11.53`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`Try again.`
`00:11.54`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`:P`
`00:12.16`	`andycr`	`alt+space just brings up the windows options... might be because i chose the windows keybindings etc`
`00:12.27`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`It should have a little slingshot in the systray, you can reconfigure with that to set a different hotkey.`
`00:13.55`	`andycr`	`nope, no tray icon`
`00:13.57`	`andycr`	`:/`
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`00:14.18`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`andycr: Go to an empty desktop and hit Alt-Space`
`00:14.42`	`andycr`	`Digital_Pioneer: nothing, no popup but also no menu`
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`00:15.02`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`andycr: Run katapult from konsole`
`00:15.19`	`andycr`	`I started off doing that, only tried running it from the menu after that didnt work`
`00:15.34`	`andycr`	`X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169`
`00:15.38`	`andycr`	`but then it says it started`
`00:15.44`	`andycr`	`so I assume thats just a warning`
`00:15.55`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`That X Error always appears on GUI'd apps for me.`
`00:15.59`	`andycr`	`ah, ok`
`00:16.13`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`Do you have a chipset for video? I think that's to blame. :P`
`00:16.20`	`andycr`	`yeah, geforce go 7600`
`00:16.25`	`andycr`	`using nvidia driver`
`00:16.45`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`That's a card, not a chipset. LOL`
`00:16.51`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`But W/E, I'm wrong. :P`
`00:17.00`	`andycr`	`I've heard it referred to as a chipset as well, my bad`
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`00:17.10`	`andycr`	`So I guess not`
`00:17.16`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`(Technically, the card has a chipset, but I differentiate because I've got onboard graphics)`
`00:17.17`	`andycr`	`Guess it's just X being X`
`00:17.20`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`Yup.`
`00:17.35`	`andycr`	`if I could find that wizard that i messed up the keybindings in...`
`00:18.05`	`andycr`	`im coming from gnome so there's so much going on in kde`
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`00:18.15`	`andycr`	`so many menus`
`00:18.32`	`andycr`	`im sure ill get used to it`
`00:18.50`	`Ardarandir`	`is showimg going to be part of KDE4 or gwenview?`
`00:19.11`	`litb`	`Digital_Pioneer: sorry, was eating`
`00:19.16`	`Ardarandir`	`ive heard something about that, and now i am wondering which differences there are exactly between those.`
`00:19.21`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`andycr: OK, run this in term, and restart katapult:`
`00:19.58`	`Ardarandir`	`the most important seems to be to me, that gwenview loads pictures immediately but showimg only when they are completely loaded...`
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`00:20.03`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`cat ~/.kde/share/config/katapultrc \| sed -e "s/SystrayIcon=false/SystrayIcon=true/" > ~/.kde/share/config/katapultrc && killall katapult`
`00:20.16`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`And I've gotta run. Later, all. :)`
`00:20.21`	`litb`	`Digital_Pioneer: silverlight is a flash alternative (and implementation?) developed by microsoft and Moonlight is a implementation of that developed by the Mono team`
`00:20.30`	`andycr`	`Thanks, same thing happens but thanks, bye`
`00:20.33`	`Digital_Pioneer`	`litb: Cool. :)`
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`00:20.43`	`Ardarandir`	`does anyone know something about ShowImg and Gwenview?`
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`00:21.59`	`litb`	`if kde4 will have a .Net interface, that would really rock at most`
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`00:22.21`	`usser`	`hello guys can someone help me`
`00:22.33`	`usser`	`kcontrol doesnt seem to apply certain settings`
`00:22.35`	`litb`	`writing plasmoids with C# in MonoDevelop would be really amazing`
`00:22.44`	`Ardarandir`	`usser: which settings?`
`00:22.54`	`Anonycat`	`How can I change the icon for the K Menu without overwriting the file?`
`00:22.56`	`usser`	`like in kde login manager i cant turn off the background`
`00:23.07`	`litb`	`now that there is a Qt binding for C# already`
`00:23.46`	`usser`	`is there any way to edit these configs manually?`
`00:23.46`	`squarebottle`	`Anonycat: If you use KBFX, you can set it so that it uses the regular KDE menu when you click the button, but still lets you control how the button itself looks and stuff.`
`00:24.04`	`squarebottle`	`Anonycat: That's probably the easiest way. :)`
`00:24.07`	`usser`	`where are kcontrol config files located?`
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`00:29.27`	`bsckdq`	`hey`
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`00:32.21`	`andycr`	`Where's that wizard where you can choose your keyboard setup to be like windows, kde, unix, or mac, choose the theme for the first time, etc?`
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`00:47.19`	`fama`	`hi`
`00:47.39`	`smileaf`	`yo`
`00:47.40`	`fama`	`do u know how to activate hibernate on a desktop pc in sabayon`
`00:47.45`	`smileaf`	`#sabayon`
`00:47.58`	`fama`	`they said #kde ;)`
`00:48.11`	`fama`	`told me maybe its an kde issue`
`00:48.46`	`smileaf`	`kde'll enable it if your kernel supports it.`
`00:48.56`	`smileaf`	`if its not enabled then there won't be an option for it.`
`00:49.16`	`fama`	`and how could go in hibernate modus?`
`00:49.27`	`smileaf`	`its a logout option`
`00:49.32`	`fama`	`mmh`
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`00:51.51`	`fama`	`how could i go in hibernate via terminal?`
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`00:53.07`	`smileaf`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=hibernate+terminal&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8`
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`01:08.33`	`Angelus`	`is there some system tray icon for network on kde?`
`01:09.29`	`Jucato`	`knemo, knestats, knetload, knetdockapp, knetworkmanager?`
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`01:43.07`	`Slashx`	`I need help`
`01:43.24`	`Slashx`	`How do I configure a wiimote with Kbluetooth`
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`01:51.05`	`techjim`	`I'd like to just get a quick poll- what's the better desktop distro? kubuntu or opensuse?`
`01:52.14`	`gino`	`debian`
`01:52.33`	`gino`	`and for the record... you might want to ask that on any irc`
`01:52.45`	`gino`	`might not want*`
`01:52.46`	`Jucato`	`quick answer: the better desktop distro is the one that works for you best`
`01:53.02`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`techjim: go to www.distrowatch.com`
`01:53.09`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`PCLinuxOS as in the lead`
`01:53.31`	`Jucato`	`lol`
`01:53.41`	`Jucato`	`in the lead in their webpage only`
`01:54.07`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Its a pretty good distro IMHO`
`01:54.29`	`Jucato`	`what I meant was`
`01:54.51`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`I know what you meant I think`
`01:55.10`	`Jucato`	`distrowatch ranks distro according to the number of hits that a certain page in distrowatch gets`
`01:55.12`	`gino`	`I will tell you why I like debian, and then I'll tell you why you shouldn't ask that`
`01:55.25`	`Jucato`	`so basically it's a rank of a distros popularity on their website`
`01:55.28`	`gino`	`debian uses dpkg to install software`
`01:55.40`	`gino`	`which makes for very easy installation`
`01:55.57`	`Slashx`	`Anyone want to help me`
`01:55.59`	`gino`	`I can get whatever software I want by typing in a terminal "apt-get install ________"`
`01:56.08`	`Jucato`	`dpkg alone doesn't work wonders...`
`01:56.10`	`gino`	`and the list of software is extensive`
`01:56.14`	`Slashx`	`Kbluetooth always crashes on me when I try to instal my device`
`01:56.44`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Chani: the only thing I dislike is their theme, but its so polished`
`01:56.59`	`Jucato`	`Chani: Debian then? :P`
`01:57.11`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`And I think PCLinuxOS uses dpkg too`
`01:57.14`	`Chani`	`I think all distros should have sudo set up the way kubuntu does it, though`
`01:57.28`	`Jucato`	`CPrgmSwR2: impossible :)`
`01:57.34`	`Jucato`	`it uses apt-rpm, but it's rpm-based`
`01:57.50`	`Slashx`	`Anyone`
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`01:58.38`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`but thats never going to happen`
`01:58.48`	`Slashx`	`Anyone`
`01:58.57`	`gino`	`I HATE SUDO ONLY`
`01:59.01`	`Jucato`	`CPrgmSwR2: I believe gentoo provides some binaries`
`01:59.01`	`gino`	`that is a pain in the ass`
`01:59.09`	`Jucato`	`you don't have to shout`
`01:59.23`	`gino`	`I'd rather su an entire terminal or use kdesu than have to sudo for every other task`
`01:59.29`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: you know that you can fix that in kubuntu right`
`01:59.32`	`Jucato`	`Slashx: if anyone knew the answer to your question, they would`
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`01:59.54`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Jucato: what was the question`
`01:59.58`	`gino`	`I hate it so much that I append the default .bashrc with the line "alias su=sudo -s"`
`02:00.04`	`Jucato`	`gino: sudo remembers your password for a default of 15 minutes.`
`02:00.07`	`Chani`	`gino: well, sudo su ;) but for the average user, sudo is so much safer`
`02:00.14`	`Jucato`	`also sudo provides more fine-grained admin access control`
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`02:00.24`	`gino`	`I'd rather have sudo and su both`
`02:00.25`	`Jucato`	`CPrgmSwR2: <Slashx> How do I configure a wiimote with Kbluetooth`
`02:00.38`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`nevermind`
`02:00.41`	`gino`	`that way I can use a single command if I have to, or an entire session if I want`
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`02:01.07`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: I just do # sudo password root`
`02:01.26`	`Jucato`	`yikes! login graphically as root? O.o`
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`02:01.31`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`then I can do a true su`
`02:01.32`	`Jucato`	`heheh`
`02:01.33`	`gino`	`eh, to each his own`
`02:01.54`	`Jucato`	`well in su, it's an all or nothing... actually it's an all. superuser, no exceptions`
`02:02.01`	`gino`	`yeah`
`02:02.02`	`Jucato`	`with sudo, you can give certain rights to certain users`
`02:02.13`	`Jucato`	`you can limit what commands they can use w/ sudo`
`02:02.15`	`gino`	`cool.. sudo is too temporary`
`02:02.21`	`gino`	`for my needs`
`02:02.23`	`Jucato`	`??`
`02:02.25`	`Jucato`	`sudo -i`
`02:02.31`	`Jucato`	`same as su -`
`02:02.41`	`Chani`	`I used to think that. it's grown on me`
`02:02.56`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`what does su - kde-devel do anyways thats different from su kde-devel`
`02:03.00`	`gino`	`sudo wejsfjsldfjskldjfl; sudo sodijfdsijfsojf; sudo sldjfsdjfosjfjiojfsjfd; I hate putting sudo in front of every command which is what a new user is going to know to do every time`
`02:03.13`	`Chani`	`of course, in kubuntu I do far less admin-needing tasks than in gentoo`
`02:03.34`	`Jucato`	`CPrgmSwR2: su - loads the user's environment variables`
`02:03.45`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`that explains it`
`02:04.00`	`Jucato`	`that's afaik, btw`
`02:04.02`	`gino`	`I'm not a fan of kubuntu..... their software selection on the live CD is nothing but minimal`
`02:04.05`	`Jucato`	`man su migh have more info`
`02:04.07`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Chani: thtats not suprizing`
`02:04.09`	`gino`	`brb`
`02:04.18`	`Jucato`	`gino: how's the selection on the 1st CD in Debian?`
`02:04.34`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: um...what about the selection from the internet`
`02:04.57`	`Chani`	`I have other reasons for being tired of kubuntu. but finding a new distro would take effort`
`02:05.09`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Chani: try PCLinuxOS`
`02:05.10`	`Jucato`	`su is used to become another user during a login session. Invoked without a username, su defaults to becoming the super user. The optional argument - may be used to provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly.`
`02:05.14`	`Jucato`	`CPrgmSwR2: ^^^`
`02:05.23`	`Chani`	`effort which I should be putting into coding, not wasting time on irc :)`
`02:05.27`	`Jucato`	`that's an even bigger jump.. from deb-based to rpm-based :)`
`02:05.37`	`Jucato`	`but IRC is fuuuuun!`
`02:05.46`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Chani: I forget what do you plan on doing for kde4?`
`02:05.49`	`gino`	`it's great..... but why do you think UBUNTU is more popular.... moreover why do you think that Gnome is getting a jump on kde.... it's because of Ubuntu`
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`02:06.10`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: I don't think so`
`02:06.23`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Last time I checked distrowatch PCLinuxOS was in the lead`
`02:06.24`	`Chani`	`CPrgmSwR2: I'm not quite sure. there are a million things I'd like to do`
`02:06.34`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Chani: same here`
`02:06.34`	`Jucato`	`anyway, let's not get into a distro vs distro discussion...`
`02:06.45`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`LOL okayu`
`02:06.55`	`gino`	`I'm not talking about distro, i'm talking about desktop environments`
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`02:07.10`	`Jucato`	`"but why do you think UBUNTU is more popular...." <---`
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`02:07.19`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: I think kde4 is going to change that`
`02:07.54`	`Jucato`	`double kde4[] = { 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, .4.4, 4.5 };`
`02:07.54`	`gino`	`I seriously hope so... I'm infinitely excited about it`
`02:08.19`	`gino`	`between ubuntu and kubuntu`
`02:08.21`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Chani: LOL`
`02:08.27`	`gino`	`which distro among the two is more popular`
`02:08.33`	`Jucato`	`Chani: go!! Plasma needs your help! :)`
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`02:08.49`	`Chani`	`I'm a bit cconfused about what to do there - it seems like people are alrteady doing stuff, but I'm confised as to how much they're really doing]`
`02:09.08`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: if you look at it just bettween ubuntu and kubuntu I would say ubuntu but if you include PCLinuxOS which includes kde I would say kde is winning`
`02:09.32`	`Jucato`	`Chani: I'm under the impression that people are actually too busy doing plasmoids than stabilizing the plasma API... but that's just my impression`
`02:09.33`	`gino`	`kde is still in the lead.... but my thesis is that gnome is growing too`
`02:09.40`	`gino`	`we want gnome to shrink`
`02:09.41`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: also keep in mind all the marketing is behind ubuntu not kubuntu`
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`02:09.48`	`gino`	`exactly`
`02:09.55`	`gino`	`it shouldn't be behind ubuntu though`
`02:09.59`	`gino`	`it should be kubuntu`
`02:10.05`	`gino`	`KDE is clearly superior`
`02:10.46`	`Chani`	`"clearly"?`
`02:10.47`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: I doubt gnome or KDE is going to be shrinking anytime soon`
`02:10.56`	`gino`	`It's a good thing I started in Mandrake where KDE was default and I had a choice.... even given an unbiased choice, I preferred KDE and I still do`
`02:11.00`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`infact I hope gnome continues to grow`
`02:11.01`	`Chani`	`I think the people who like gnome would disagree.`
`02:11.08`	`Jucato`	`Kubuntu is a purely community driven effort. done deal.`
`02:11.14`	`gino`	`gnome is obsolete`
`02:11.20`	`Chani`	`we don't want gnome to shrink, we want kde to grow faster than it`
`02:11.25`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`how is gnome obsolete`
`02:11.35`	`gino`	`the only reason it was created was because Qt wasn't GPL at the time`
`02:11.49`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Chani: kde4 to me is a proof of comcept that it is`
`02:11.53`	`Chani`	`wasn't that gtk?`
`02:12.04`	`Chani`	`aanyways. I'm geting outta here`
`02:12.10`	`kakalto`	`lol`
`02:12.14`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Chani: type #/part`
`02:12.16`	`gino`	`GTK has much fewer developers than Qt`
`02:12.41`	`gino`	`and the Gnome/GTK chats are much smaller than the KDE/Qt chats`
`02:12.50`	`gino`	`there's no reason to have it around`
`02:13.01`	`gino`	`except for a code base of useful code`
`02:13.11`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: I still think you need to wait for kde4 to be released`
`02:13.40`	`gino`	`.... I checked it out.. I'm excited`
`02:14.11`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: I have been using the beta version of kde4 for quite some time and its the first windows manager that has me more excited that what microsoft has produced as a windows manager`
`02:14.29`	`Jucato`	`s/windows manager/desktop environment/`
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`02:14.56`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`true`
`02:15.46`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`and part has to do with qt4 because everything moves around now`
`02:15.50`	`gino`	`microsoft's windows manager has much to be desired`
`02:16.24`	`gino`	`that's not a feat, when it makes you more excited than Apple's window manager, then brag about it`
`02:16.27`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: kde4 has plamsiods and eye candy that out do windows vista IMHO`
`02:16.46`	`gino`	`don't get me wrong.... KDE4 is gonna be infinitely better than both OS's graphical interfaces`
`02:17.11`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`And searching is EVERYWHERE`
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`02:18.20`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`gino: The only think that will be holding back linux adoption is games and RAD tools`
`02:18.59`	`Jucato`	`(games!!!)`
`02:19.07`	`gino`	`Rad?`
`02:19.16`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Rapid Application Development`
`02:19.19`	`gino`	`oh`
`02:19.38`	`gino`	`I see a bit of some problems in Codecs and Drivers`
`02:19.52`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`That will go away once you have the games and RAD`
`02:20.20`	`gino`	`Rad needs to be first.... then games will be the natural result`
`02:20.36`	`Jucato`	`RAD can be more easily done than games imho...`
`02:20.38`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`not exactly because RAD cannot help with all types of gams`
`02:21.18`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`qt 4.0 provides an excellent frame work and designer is a small start in the RAD direction`
`02:21.19`	`Jucato`	`because games on *nix involves much more than creating the game`
`02:21.50`	`gino`	`I'd like to see more improvement in the A/V systems`
`02:21.57`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`A/V?`
`02:22.03`	`gino`	`Audio Video`
`02:22.27`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`I wanted to create a RAD 2d rpg game kit but I couldn't get any help on it`
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`02:22.51`	`gino`	`ALSA is better, but far from a work of art useful for creating a Realtime Live Audio Editor`
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`02:25.35`	`gino`	`and I've yet to see a video editor that's even comparable with Final Cut Pro`
`02:25.38`	`gino`	`for Linux`
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`02:30.19`	`gino`	`one thing I'd like to see is a merging of niveou or whatever it's called (I don't like the french language) and the ATI drivers that were just opened`
`02:30.26`	`Jucato`	`nouveau`
`02:30.31`	`gino`	`thanks`
`02:31.00`	`gino`	`and then put that into a singular Video framework that is elegant, full featured, and functional`
`02:31.07`	`gino`	`that would open soo many doors`
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`02:36.37`	`vbgunz`	`kmail is without a doubt the slowest email client I've ever tried to use :(`
`02:38.12`	`vbgunz`	`I am filtering about 13000 messages against a single filter and it's filtering about 20 messages every 5 seconds and basically looks frozen now and again with artifacts and just hogging the cpu at about 85% :(`
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`03:21.37`	`vbgunz`	`heh, its' approaching 1 hour and I am only on message 8000 of 13000+ messages :(`
`03:22.00`	`Jucato`	`vbgunz: have you tried asking about the issue in #kontact ?`
`03:22.06`	`Jucato`	`maybe a known bug or something?`
`03:22.45`	`vbgunz`	`I never thought of that, I thought it here would be fine... I can go and let them know :)`
`03:22.55`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`03:23.05`	`vbgunz`	`thanks :)`
`03:23.06`	`Jucato`	`searching in bugs.kde.org might give ideas too`
`03:23.28`	`Jucato`	`luckily I don't have that much mail yet :)`
`03:24.00`	`Jucato`	`although I seem to have 12,000+ mails from Kubuntu Users mailing list.. can't recall how long that took to download and filter :)`
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`03:29.36`	`vbgunz`	`Jucato: I got that from trash, I have 100,000+ and thunderbird handles it just fine. moving messages and filtering them is quick in thunderbird but just sitting idle its a hog on the cpu without extensions :(`
`03:29.51`	`vbgunz`	`+ the filtering and templating in kmail look a whole lot more powerful`
`03:30.28`	`vbgunz`	`sort of reminds me of the best email application I ever used in my life "the bat" ... heh, I never looked into it since I switched to linux, they were Windows only...`
`03:31.49`	`Jucato`	`I've never really been able to fully use Thunderbird. I met it when I was on Windows, and back then, I didn't have a whole lot of mail. by the time I did subscribe to dozens of lists, I was already on KDE and using KMail... so I really can't compare performance`
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`03:48.50`	`n8k99`	`vbgunz: i have used both and on my particular machine i have a slight performance edge when using kmail`
`03:49.09`	`n8k99`	`plus it fits in with the rest of my applications quite nicely`
`03:49.26`	`n8k99`	`i do wish that there was a plaxo extension for kaddressbook`
`03:49.34`	`vbgunz`	`well after kmail went through all 13000 messages, it seems to filter just right so far, not done checking to make sure`
`03:50.13`	`vbgunz`	`I mean I shouldn't be filtering 13000 emails all the time, this was from a thunderbird import though I still find it quite startiling it took so long`
`03:50.29`	`Jucato`	`I've had some problems w/ filters not working sometimes though.... but it's too intermittent to track down`
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`04:17.50`	`oneforall`	`it keeps going back to landscape and not pertrait`
`04:18.09`	`oneforall`	`A4 and not letter`
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`04:19.02`	`oneforall`	`in hp tool its on portrait and same with perifials>printers`
`04:19.51`	`oneforall`	`do I need to setup kword from root`
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`04:22.15`	`oneforall`	`even opening it in root and saving . then reopen print and look at the properties. They are back to A4 and landscape`
`04:26.02`	`oneforall`	`its the driver setting to that keeps going back to A4`
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`05:06.22`	`acer_`	`kakalto: use another program`
`05:08.16`	`Xemanth^`	`when I import lots of mail from Thunderbird2 -> KMail, kmail crashes, it happens everytime when I'm starting kmail experience :\|`
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`05:08.35`	`Xemanth^`	`:)`
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`05:16.03`	`k3rbi`	`ty :)`
`05:16.49`	`kakalto`	`acer_: already doing that ;-)`
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`06:36.50`	`WATU`	`Hi`
`06:37.15`	`WATU`	`When one runs KDE for the first time, a configuration wizard is shown, is there a way I can run it again?`
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`06:39.24`	`WATU`	`anyone?`
`06:39.41`	`Jucato`	`WATU: yes`
`06:39.47`	`Jucato`	`run "kpersonalizer`
`06:39.50`	`WATU`	`please tell me how I can start it`
`06:39.54`	`Jucato`	`kpersonalizer`
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`06:40.10`	`WATU`	`thanks`
`06:40.22`	`Chani`	`oh, neat. if I'm messing in kde4, amarok in kde3 won't start another song until I switch back to kde3`
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`06:41.02`	`Jucato`	`O.o`
`06:41.16`	`Chani`	`now I just have to wondre... why is the systray so horribly broken? and why is klipper the only systray-using app I seem to be able to start?`
`06:41.45`	`Jucato`	`plasma replacement for kicker still not working properly I guess`
`06:41.59`	`Jucato`	`and yes about klipper, wondered about that too`
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`06:45.03`	`Chani`	`even if I kill off the systray plasmoid, it changed nothing`
`06:45.27`	`Chani`	`oh, and the new panel... umm.. isn't showing up. oddness.`
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`06:49.01`	`Jucato`	`yes the plasma panel has been taken out`
`06:49.20`	`Jucato`	`I guess it'll be back before beta3 tagging`
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`06:54.12`	`Chani`	`I mean the one that was on the mailing list... maybe that wasn't committed after all`
`06:54.31`	`Chani`	`wait, no, it was committed. the panel I tried to add mentioned containment`
`06:54.39`	`Chani`	`it just, uh, didn't work`
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`07:30.05`	`krustyclo`	`hi`
`07:31.18`	`mark_alec`	`hey krustyclo`
`07:32.29`	`krustyclo`	`have you used the kde4 beta ?`
`07:33.31`	`mark_alec`	`i haven't`
`07:33.46`	`krustyclo`	`i installed it, copied the existing kde xsession file to a new one and changed the settings to run kde4. when i try to log in, the screen goes black then it takes me back to the login screen`
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`09:41.54`	`RichiH`	`is there any way to make ctrl-alt-l not do anything, but ctrl-alt-l ctrl-alt-l lock the screen? i acidentially hit l instead of k sometimes and that is highly annoying`
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`09:42.59`	`Jucato`	`RichiH: disable the keyboard shortcut for Lock Seession`
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`09:43.12`	`Jucato`	`in kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts`
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`09:45.11`	`RichiH`	`Jucato: i still want to be able to lock it, but i want to hit the key combination twice [or thrice] for it to activate`
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`09:45.31`	`HellTiger`	`hi all`
`09:45.42`	`Jucato`	`well you can still lock the session from the K menu or right-click on the desktop`
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`09:45.44`	`otay`	`h!`
`09:46.35`	`HellTiger`	`is there an speech command/recognition software for kde? i heard about an plugin for khotkeys`
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`09:47.17`	`m4rku5`	`hey guys how can i disable that the alt key + mouse = moving windows`
`09:47.46`	`HellTiger`	`m4rku5: go to kcontrol, search for key binds`
`09:48.28`	`Jucato`	`m4rku5: KControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Window Actions tab`
`09:48.47`	`Jucato`	`Modifier key + left button, set it to Nothing instead of Move`
`09:48.53`	`m4rku5`	`thanks Jucato :)`
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`10:03.45`	`dhq`	`is it possible to upgrade to kde4`
`10:03.52`	`dhq`	`what are the features in kde4`
`10:04.21`	`pinotree`	`it's not really usage as user, yet`
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`10:08.10`	`dhq`	`pinotree: ok`
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`10:08.18`	`dhq`	`what new features does he have`
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`10:12.51`	`moltonel`	`dhq: a lot of features, too many to summarize in IRC. I suggest you take a look at http://www.kde.org/announcements/`
`10:13.31`	`dhq`	`moltonel: thanks`
`10:13.50`	`dhq`	`moltonel: so we expect his to be born by december`
`10:14.32`	`moltonel`	`dhq: that's the latest plan. just in time for chirstmas :)`
`10:14.45`	`dhq`	`moltonel: i cant wait :)`
`10:15.00`	`dhq`	`moltonel: people are saying it will be better than Windows Vista`
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`10:15.37`	`dhq`	`moltonel: what would happen if i try to install beta`
`10:18.58`	`kakalto`	`dhq: you'll be disappointed.`
`10:19.51`	`moltonel`	`dhq: as pinotree said, it's not ready for general consumption yet. But it's exciting to look at. Either get a livecd or build it yourself if you're feeling brave (http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started)`
`10:20.36`	`dhq`	`kakalto: Y`
`10:21.02`	`kakalto`	`dhq: everything isn't guaranteed to work, that's all :)`
`10:21.30`	`dhq`	`kakalto: well in december it will be ok`
`10:21.44`	`kakalto`	`dhq: definately.`
`10:21.56`	`kakalto`	`not _just_ okay, it'll be great ;-)`
`10:21.58`	`dhq`	`so i will wait then :)`
`10:22.13`	`dhq`	`kakalto: it will be better than windows vista :)`
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`10:22.28`	`kakalto`	`dhq: from what I hear, that's not exactly hard`
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`10:22.46`	`dhq`	`kakalto: what did you hear`
`10:23.06`	`dhq`	`kakalto: well are there any screenshots of kde4`
`10:23.07`	`kakalto`	`dhq: I hear nothing but problems from vista users.`
`10:23.30`	`dhq`	`kakalto: well i know i was just talking about the GUI`
`10:23.42`	`kakalto`	`oh, and the fact that they're so glad that vista is secure - they can tell that it is secure because it is annoying :x`
`10:24.04`	`kakalto`	`dhq: I'm not really impressed by vista's GUI, after seeing compiz-fusion ;-D`
`10:24.21`	`kakalto`	`well, I guess that's not the entirety of it`
`10:24.36`	`dhq`	`kakalto: well the problem is it doesnt work well on my dell laptop`
`10:24.48`	`kakalto`	`ouch. Well, kde4 shall be good :)`
`10:25.15`	`dhq`	`kakalto: although Dell joined hands with linux ubuntu but no well set graphic drivers :(`
`10:25.42`	`kakalto`	`dhq: I'm not much of a fan of Dell, or any premade computers, myself`
`10:26.15`	`dhq`	`kakalto: well laptops have to be premade`
`10:26.36`	`kakalto`	`dhq: haha, good point.`
`10:27.11`	`dhq`	`kakalto: very few laptop models are compatible with linux :)`
`10:27.27`	`kakalto`	`dhq: but it seems that if there's a deal between dell and ubuntu, dell laptop support can only improve`
`10:27.47`	`kakalto`	`dhq: I see there's quite a bit of thinkpad and sony drivers in the kernel`
`10:27.50`	`kakalto`	`for laptops`
`10:27.50`	`dhq`	`kakalto: i can wait`
`10:28.25`	`dhq`	`kakalto: :)`
`10:29.22`	`HellTiger`	`is there any speech command/recognition software for kde? i heard about an plugin for khotkeys`
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`10:31.31`	`dhq`	`kakalto: are you familiar with kbluetoothd`
`10:32.10`	`skchang`	`hi! i use twin view with 2 monitors. where do i find the option that new windows are placed on the monitor where the mouse is located?`
`10:32.25`	`kakalto`	`dhq: I haven't got a bluetooth dongle to try it with. Only just got a bluetooth phone during the weekend, so I haven't had any reason to try it`
`10:32.41`	`dhq`	`kakalto: k`
`10:32.51`	`dhq`	`anyone here who uses kbluetoothd`
`10:34.57`	`kakalto`	`skchang: kcontrol ---> Peripherals ---> Display ---> Multiple Monitors, "Show unmanaged windows on:" (set to display containing pointer)`
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`10:37.01`	`skchang`	`kakalto: thx`
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`10:38.08`	`kakalto`	`skchang: hope that was the one you're after :)`
`10:39.01`	`kakalto`	`HellTiger: did you read this: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/speech.html ?`
`10:39.08`	`skchang`	`kakalto: exactly. but in my understanding unmanaged != new... so i have not tried that option`
`10:39.32`	`HellTiger`	`it means the software is still under development?`
`10:39.35`	`HellTiger`	`kakalto:`
`10:40.01`	`kakalto`	`skchang: well, here's the question: does it work?`
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`10:40.34`	`kakalto`	`HellTiger: looks like it was a google summer of code project idea, but I couldn't tell you if anyone implemented it or not`
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`10:40.46`	`HellTiger`	`kakalto: thanks`
`10:40.59`	`skchang`	`kakalto: not really... i have to click on that screen, the mouse position alone is not enough... perhaps he places the window on the screen that has focus...`
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`10:45.28`	`skchang`	`thats not good. could there be a problem with twinview? shall i better use xinerama?`
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`10:48.32`	`skchang`	`i had to activate "kcontrol -> arbeitsfl�che -> fenstereigenschaften -> active mouse screen" (in english perhaps "desktop -> window properties -> active mouse screen"`
`10:48.33`	`skchang`	`now it works`
`10:48.37`	`skchang`	`thx for your help`
`10:48.38`	`DawnLight`	`skchang: i'm using twinview. need help?`
`10:49.15`	`skchang`	`DawnLight: i wanted to place new windows on the screen my mouse/pointer is located on. now it works :)`
`10:50.04`	`DawnLight`	`skchang: does that mean setting the primary screen?`
`10:51.20`	`skchang`	`DawnLight: no. if i open e.g. firefox i want it on screen 1 if mouse is on screen 1 and on screen 2 if mouse is on screen 2`
`10:51.49`	`DawnLight`	`skchang: how did you acheive that?`
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`10:52.21`	`skchang`	`DawnLight: i do not know how the kcontrol menu points are named in english, but i can try to explain...`
`10:53.14`	`skchang`	`DawnLight: kcontrol -> 1st menu -> 1st menu -> multiple monitors -> show unmanaged windows on: "screen, that contains mouse/pointer"`
`10:53.22`	`DawnLight`	`skchang: oh if its via kcontrol then i can find it. thanks!`
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`10:53.49`	`skchang`	`DawnLight: kcontrol -> 2nd menu -> 1st menu -> select "active mouse screen"`
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`10:54.12`	`skchang`	`DawLight: i needed both options to get it work correctly`
`10:54.27`	`kakalto`	`DawnLight: did you find it?`
`10:54.44`	`kakalto`	`desktop --> window behaviour --> active mouse screen`
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`10:55.09`	`kakalto`	`it's the third checkbox, below, focus policy with the adjustable bars`
`10:56.24`	`DawnLight`	`i think i don't have it. v3.5.5`
`10:56.59`	`kakalto`	`in the focus tab?`
`10:57.16`	`kakalto`	`v3.5.7 here.`
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`10:58.44`	`DawnLight`	`i'm looking at the focus tab`
`10:58.44`	`DawnLight`	`it has a focus area and a navigation area`
`10:58.48`	`DawnLight`	`focus area has policy, auto raise, delay, delay focus, lelay, click raise active window`
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`11:00.02`	`kakalto`	`DawnLight: We have an extra two check boxes. Sounds like it's not in 3.5.5 =/`
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`11:01.52`	`DawnLight`	`this is the price to pay for using debian. well, in a year or two :)`
`11:02.59`	`Jejem`	`lol`
`11:03.07`	`pinotree`	`well, other distros have other high prices as well`
`11:03.38`	`mj_`	`Is this a good place to ask for samba help using KDE and Sabayon?`
`11:03.39`	`Jejem`	`troll inside`
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`11:04.15`	`DawnLight`	`mj_: i'd make sure your samba is working outside of kde, first`
`11:04.56`	`DawnLight`	`but i'm a debian character. kde has some GUIs for that thingy`
`11:05.14`	`kakalto`	`mj_: I found with samba, it's easy to stuff up the conf file by just having too many options - it doesn't have to be overly complicated, but I could postbin my working config if you want, and you could use it as an example?`
`11:05.31`	`mj_`	`Well, it was working in KDE for a few minutes a day or so ago. Is that enough? It was working, and after using the KDE gui, and tweaking manually, and even after reverting, I can no longer see my computer on tthe network.`
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`11:05.41`	`mj_`	`What's postbin? Whatever it is, sure.`
`11:05.56`	`kakalto`	`mj_: I'll put it on the net and give you a link to where it is =)`
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`11:06.17`	`kakalto`	`erhm, I think it's usually called pastebin.`
`11:07.05`	`mj_`	`kakalto: Works for me. Thanks.`
`11:07.24`	`kakalto`	`mj_: http://pastebin.com/m67d29923`
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`11:08.44`	`mj_`	`One question about samba. I'm pretty skeptical about giving it the benefit of the doubt. Does the network sometimes refuse to acknowledge properly configured systems for some reason? Or impose some sort of delay in reconsidering adding a system?`
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`11:09.54`	`DawnLight`	`where do i define the hotkey for kttsd?`
`11:12.11`	`kakalto`	`to open kttsd?`
`11:13.32`	`DawnLight`	`kakalto: i want it to read a message opened in kmail`
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`11:15.34`	`annma`	`DawnLight: you shoudl have an option in KMail to do so`
`11:16.15`	`kakalto`	`How can I delete my start menu, and regenerate it?`
`11:16.25`	`kakalto`	`*k menu`
`11:16.31`	`annma`	`run kbuildsyscoca`
`11:16.38`	`kakalto`	`thanks`
`11:17.45`	`kakalto`	`what is meant to happen after I run this?`
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`11:18.42`	`kakalto`	`mj_: with samba, I find it may take up to a minute before other systems on the network recognise it, but I have experienced particular computers refusing its existence at times.`
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`11:20.37`	`mj_`	`Thanks. Mysteriously, my computer showed up on the network finally after looking at your config, but without changing mine. The shares still are reported as nonexistant. Doesn't seem to be a model for reliability.`
`11:21.01`	`kakalto`	`double check capital letters in paths and whatnot?`
`11:21.35`	`kakalto`	`I fixed a friend's samba the other day by just removing some [global] conf entries`
`11:21.55`	`mj_`	`Caps are okay...are permissions important? I have a /tmp/mjsmb dir set to world rwx, and still no go. Stickiness isn't a problem, is it?`
`11:22.11`	`mj_`	`No kidding? I'll check out the global entries...they do seems a bit cluttered.`
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`11:31.50`	`kakalto`	`annma: I have two sets of "system" and "settings" menus below "Actions" section of my k menu. Any ideas how to remove this?`
`11:32.02`	`kakalto`	`vinboy: on telescum, huh? =/`
`11:32.25`	`annma`	`kakalto: is it a new install?`
`11:32.43`	`kakalto`	`annma: no.`
`11:32.52`	`annma`	`so it happened recently?`
`11:33.13`	`kakalto`	`yeah, after I installed kde4 (before you ask, yes I used a seperate user to install kde4)`
`11:33.45`	`annma`	`you did?`
`11:33.51`	`annma`	`you installed manually?`
`11:33.59`	`annma`	`or distro packages?`
`11:34.13`	`kakalto`	`manual.`
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`11:35.49`	`kakalto`	`that's why I wondered if there is simply a directory or particular file that governs the k menu, which I could remove, and regenerate the menu`
`11:36.05`	`annma`	`first try a new user for KDE3`
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`11:36.16`	`annma`	`look what happens at his menu`
`11:36.33`	`vinboy`	`kakalto: yup.. i'm stilll on golarge :D`
`11:37.20`	`vinboy`	`?`
`11:37.40`	`kakalto`	`vinboy: hehe.`
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`11:41.02`	`vinboy`	`hi kakalto`
`11:41.04`	`vinboy`	`yes i'm still on the golarge plan`
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`11:41.56`	`kakalto`	`vinboy: hiya. couldn't help but notice the telecom in your join message D-;`
`11:42.21`	`vinboy`	`:D`
`11:42.36`	`vinboy`	`which isp r u with`
`11:42.48`	`kakalto`	`Packing Shed. they're local to franklin.`
`11:43.01`	`vinboy`	`ic`
`11:43.37`	`vinboy`	`kakalto: which distro do u run`
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`11:44.28`	`kakalto`	`vinboy: gentoo =]`
`11:44.30`	`kakalto`	`you?`
`11:46.23`	`vinboy`	`currently on fedora`
`11:46.31`	`vinboy`	`i was on gentoo a year ago`
`11:46.41`	`vinboy`	`but now I dont have time to play with it`
`11:46.55`	`annma`	`so did you try a new user kakalto?`
`11:46.56`	`vinboy`	`im going to try the opensuse 10.3 when it release this month`
`11:47.09`	`kakalto`	`annma: haven't quite got around to it yet.`
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`11:50.03`	`kakalto`	`annma: new user doesn't have the extra menus`
`11:51.03`	`annma`	`ok, try to backup .config in your home`
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`11:53.42`	`kakalto`	`annma: well, yeah, that'll probably do the trick... but what about my settings?`
`11:54.30`	`annma`	`well, digg in .config to see what to keep and what to remove`
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`11:55.00`	`annma`	`depends on what settings you had`
`11:56.42`	`kakalto`	`problem is, if I had a firm idea of exactly what settings I want, then I would likely have a fair idea of where the menu settings were =/`
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`12:03.52`	`annma`	`settings you want?`
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`12:04.56`	`kakalto`	`"well, digg in .config to see what to keep and what to remove" >>> Do you mean ~/.kde/share/config or ~/.kde ?`
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`12:06.22`	`annma`	`~/.config`
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`12:08.32`	`kakalto`	`ah, okay.`
`12:08.42`	`kakalto`	`A bit slow here =)`
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`12:23.42`	`troy`	`Jucato: on my way to lectures - bye :P`
`12:23.48`	`Jucato`	`bye :)`
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`12:24.32`	`nodesktop`	`I love Kate, but what would make it better is when you could have "projects" - similar to IDEs`
`12:24.44`	`Jucato`	`nodesktop: Sessions`
`12:24.50`	`nodesktop`	`I know sessions`
`12:25.07`	`Jucato`	`not enough?`
`12:25.11`	`nodesktop`	`but these have some drawbacks: i.e. all files in a session need to be loaded`
`12:25.23`	`nodesktop`	`also, you can't organize the files freely`
`12:25.39`	`nodesktop`	`you just can order them by filename or by opening order`
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`12:26.11`	`Jucato`	`true. but for an advanced text editor, I think that's more than enough... anything more, you'll probably need kdevelop...`
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`12:26.19`	`Jucato`	`just imo`
`12:27.04`	`nodesktop`	`KDevelop sucks IMHO`
`12:27.07`	`nodesktop`	`:/`
`12:27.14`	`nodesktop`	`just too heavy weight`
`12:27.53`	`DuClare`	`I don't like kdevelop either`
`12:27.58`	`DuClare`	`don't care about the weight..`
`12:28.07`	`DuClare`	`but I found it damn hard to use and get it to do whatever I want and nothing more..`
`12:28.19`	`nodesktop`	`basically I only want an extra tree widget (additional to the documents and filesystem tabs) where I can organize files freely`
`12:28.23`	`DuClare`	`my IDE of choice is eclipse. for smaller projects I just use a text editor like vim or kate`
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`12:28.51`	`nodesktop`	`Eclipse is awfully slow on my computer`
`12:29.11`	`DuClare`	`ah.. that's not good then. :\`
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`12:29.21`	`nodesktop`	`somewhere else I use Codeblocks, but Codeblocks is also awfully slow here`
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`12:30.19`	`DuClare`	`I used codeblocks for a while... can't remember what made me go to eclipse`
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`12:32.03`	`svintung`	hello, im having a problem connecting the internet with KDE(konqueror,kopete,ktorrent,etc), it works perfect with other non-kde applications like firefox, amsn and so on.. anyone know what can be wrong?`
`12:32.22`	`svintung`	`im using kubuntu`
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`13:17.41`	`runlevelten`	`OK, what places does a kaddressbook configuration entry hide?`
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`13:18.24`	`Jucato`	`~/.kde/share/config/ most probably`
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`13:18.35`	`runlevelten`	`I've got kdepim crashing immediately because I was stupid enough to try and use the egroupware functionality - which results in kdepim crashing on startup afterwards,`
`13:19.02`	`runlevelten`	`but removing the kabc configuration, and preventing kaddressbook from starting with kontact doesn't stop it crashing.`
`13:19.23`	`runlevelten`	`libkcal: ERROR: Can't read uid map file '/home/runlevelten/.kde/share/apps/kabc/uidmaps/xmlrpc_V2TIp3cz2N'`
`13:19.26`	`runlevelten`	`etc.`
`13:21.09`	`runlevelten`	`Anyone know what places I can look to try and expunge it further?`
`13:21.40`	`runlevelten`	`I've done what makes sense in $prefix/share/apps, config etc.`
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`13:24.16`	`runlevelten`	`arg, this is horrible.`
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`13:25.55`	`runlevelten`	`Ah, excellent, I can use kontact again: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127666`
`13:26.29`	`Jucato`	`good for you :)`
`13:26.36`	`runlevelten`	`Maybe the "egroupware" option does something other than wreck kontact, it be removed.`
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`13:27.01`	`Jucato`	`a friend of mine had problems with egroupware in kaddressbook too`
`13:27.10`	`runlevelten`	`It certainly cannot work with current egroupware with what it's trying to do, judging by some packet sniffing.`
`13:27.38`	`runlevelten`	`right, work :) - thanks for the attempt at help Jucato \o/`
`13:27.54`	`Jucato`	`hehe sorry it remained just an attempt :)`
`13:30.27`	`runlevelten`	`Gah, I need more time in the day to fix things :(`
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`13:46.56`	`maazu`	`i read about Fedora 8 not carrying KDE4`
`13:47.03`	`maazu`	`i am dissappointed`
`13:47.12`	`annma`	`KDE4 is not out`
`13:47.19`	`annma`	`so it's normal`
`13:47.21`	`maazu`	`so is F8`
`13:47.31`	`annma`	`but F8 is out when?`
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`13:47.43`	`maazu`	`another month or two?`
`13:47.53`	`maazu`	`it is now at Test 2`
`13:48.06`	`annma`	`well they'll make kde4 packages when KDE4 is out`
`13:48.14`	`annma`	`seems logical to do it that way`
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`13:48.37`	`annma`	`in any case, KDE 4.0 will not be a full-usable-desktop`
`13:48.49`	`maazu`	`huh?`
`13:49.27`	`maazu`	`a composition of 3.5.7 + 4.0 ?`
`13:49.43`	`annma`	`yes`
`13:49.53`	`tsdh`	`Hi. I use the "unclutter windows" command very frequently and like to bind it to a key. Unfortunately I cannot find it in kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts. Or does it have another name there?`
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`13:50.45`	`annma`	`where is this command?`
`13:50.52`	`annma`	`tsdh: I run KDE in French`
`13:51.38`	`maazu`	`in Japanese/English`
`13:52.06`	`maazu`	`well the menus is in Japanese but the locale is English(US)`
`13:52.28`	`annma`	`tsdh: where is that command please?`
`13:52.43`	`tsdh`	`annma: Right click on the desktop, then "windows -> unclutter windows"`
`13:53.10`	`tsdh`	`annma: Or the window list button in the task bar.`
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`13:54.55`	`annma`	`hi Jucato`
`13:55.06`	`annma`	`tsdh: hmmm I don't see it in the action list`
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`13:55.20`	`Jucato`	`annma: I just read that Mandriva abolished Mandriva Club. are you happy? (or you weren't affected by that anyway) :)`
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`13:55.38`	`annma`	`I never was a CLub Member`
`13:55.49`	`annma`	`where is that news? Mandriva website?`
`13:55.56`	`Jucato`	`distrowatch`
`13:56.06`	`tsdh`	`annma: Hm, there should be the actions "cascade windows" and "unclutter windows".`
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`13:56.54`	`Jucato`	`annma: announcement in french... of course you'll be able to read it :P http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=70996`
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`13:58.04`	`Richlv`	`hi. it seems anonsvn is acting a bit weird`
`13:58.05`	`Richlv`	`http://pastebin.ca/721685`
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`13:58.22`	`Richlv`	`that's for svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/extragear/multimedia`
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`13:58.54`	`annma`	`Richlv: anonsvn can be any server`
`13:59.14`	`Richlv`	`annma, dns roundrobin or something else ?`
`13:59.16`	`annma`	`svn ls???`
`13:59.26`	`annma`	`I do: svn info`
`13:59.32`	`Jucato`	`shouldn't it be in branches/extragear/kde3/multimedia anyway?`
`13:59.34`	`Richlv`	`svn info is something different`
`13:59.43`	`pinotree`	`Jucato: stable as well`
`13:59.50`	`Jucato`	`ah ok`
`13:59.59`	`pinotree`	`Richlv: isn't svn ls a command for querying the remove server?`
`14:00.06`	`Richlv`	`it's not in branches/extragear for sure`
`14:00.11`	`Richlv`	`pinotree, yes`
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`14:00.24`	`pinotree`	`Richlv: then you need to pass it a repository`
`14:00.46`	`sredna`	`tsdh: those belongs to kdesktop, which fails having a 'configure shortcuts' dialog. You could use the input actions feature with a dcop call to kwin KWinInterface unclutterDesktop`
`14:00.47`	`pinotree`	`svn ls svn://anonsvn....`
`14:00.47`	`Richlv`	`pinotree, well, no. it has always worked`
`14:00.55`	`Richlv`	`in the local repo, obviously`
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`14:01.06`	`Richlv`	`multimedia# svn up amarok`
`14:01.06`	`Richlv`	`svn: No such revision 719547`
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`14:01.19`	`lrp`	`hello everybody`
`14:01.26`	`maazu`	`greetings`
`14:01.36`	`lrp`	`i need a hand in here , see i have the following trouble with my desktop .....`
`14:01.42`	`tsdh`	`sredna: Hey, thanks a lot.`
`14:01.48`	`pinotree`	`Richlv: svn info \| grep URL`
`14:02.16`	`lrp`	`kdm .... Abnormal termination of greeter ..for display 0 code 127 signal 0`
`14:02.30`	`Richlv`	`pinotree, already pasteb before - svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/extragear/multimedia`
`14:02.31`	`lrp`	`please help in here how to solve that im from text rigth now :(`
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`14:02.54`	`lrp`	`any ideas???`
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`14:03.05`	`lrp`	`advices anything ...`
`14:03.14`	`pinotree`	`lrp: calm down, please`
`14:03.16`	`maazu`	`lrp: code 127 seems to be an error code`
`14:03.24`	`Richlv`	`so i'm unsure why svn up for amarok and svn ls for multimedia fails`
`14:03.34`	`lrp`	`aha`
`14:03.43`	`pinotree`	`sredna: http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Guidelines`
`14:03.50`	`sredna`	`ty, pinotree`
`14:04.08`	`maazu`	`lrp: understanding what 127 relates to, can solve your problem`
`14:04.12`	`lrp`	`maazu them i have to aptitude purge kdm & xfree86 ?`
`14:04.12`	`pinotree`	`Richlv: in another directory, svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/extragear/multimedia -N ; cd multimedia ; svn up amarok`
`14:04.34`	`maazu`	`lrp: i dunno`
`14:04.41`	`Richlv`	`pinotree, do you think local repo is so nicely corrupted ?`
`14:04.58`	`pinotree`	`Richlv: i don't think, i try`
`14:05.03`	`Richlv`	`heh`
`14:05.17`	`lrp`	`maazu ok when i starting the computer everything seems to be okay until the X starting and going down , just before the login box all goes down`
`14:05.25`	`Richlv`	`i'll try with svn ls multimedia first, that's some amount to download for whole amarok`
`14:05.56`	`maazu`	`lrp: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?`
`14:06.34`	`Richlv`	`bah`
`14:06.34`	`lrp`	`maazu ok let me see in the other terminal`
`14:06.38`	`Richlv`	`pinotree, # svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/extragear/multimedia`
`14:06.41`	`Richlv`	`svn: No such revision 719615`
`14:06.50`	`pinotree`	`amen`
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`14:07.51`	`lrp`	`maazu freefontpath :fpe /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc refcount is 2 should be 1 fixing .`
`14:07.59`	`lrp`	`and before that 7 lines`
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`14:08.24`	`lrp`	`xf86somethingmemory unbind key 1 to 7`
`14:08.46`	`lrp`	`maazu thats all`
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`14:09.30`	`maazu`	`lrp: can you scroll to the bottom of the log?`
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`14:09.47`	`lrp`	`maazu i dont have x see im from console :(`
`14:10.03`	`lrp`	`maazu im using an text irc client`
`14:10.15`	`maazu`	`lrp: can you vim it?`
`14:10.39`	`kc8hfi`	`lrp: you have 6 virtual consoles, use one of those, then pipe the output of the log file to a pager, like less`
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`14:12.18`	`lrp`	`maazu i can mcedit`
`14:12.56`	`maazu`	`lrp: i once played with /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`14:13.22`	`maazu`	`lrp: i edited my video driver from "Intel" to "intel810"`
`14:13.22`	`kc8hfi`	`lrp: what distro are you running?`
`14:13.38`	`maazu`	`lrp: cause i wanted to see hardware acceleration in action`
`14:13.51`	`maazu`	`X server did not display anything`
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`14:13.59`	`maazu`	`so, i checked the logs`
`14:14.24`	`maazu`	`near the bottom of the logs it said it could not find video driver intel810`
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`14:14.55`	`maazu`	`thats how i know if you have problems starting x, you goto /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
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`14:17.01`	`lrp`	`mm+`
`14:17.30`	`lrp`	`maazu ok let me check the same log again`
`14:18.37`	`lrp`	`maazu what is drm ¿ im checking some drm in the logs`
`14:18.39`	`maazu`	`lrp: your machine does come with video card, right?`
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`14:19.00`	`lrp`	`maazu onboard`
`14:19.18`	`lrp`	`maazu intel board`
`14:19.27`	`maazu`	`lrp: cool`
`14:19.30`	`maazu`	`lrp: me 2`
`14:19.53`	`maazu`	`lrp: infact i have latest intel board 965 for which there is not support yet`
`14:20.04`	`maazu`	`lrp: so, X server fallback to generic intel driver`
`14:20.06`	`lrp`	`maazu i dont have the latest hehehe`
`14:20.46`	`maazu`	`lrp: did you play with framebuffer on the kernel boot command line?`
`14:20.55`	`lrp`	`maazu ok i think the trouble is with xf86unbindgardmemory`
`14:21.10`	`lrp`	`maazu ok i think the trouble is with xf86unbindgardmemory key 1 until 7 them ...`
`14:21.29`	`maazu`	`O.O i dunno what that means`
`14:21.41`	`lrp`	`maazu that what the logs sayds`
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`14:22.22`	`lrp`	`maazu them he sayds successfully set to original devices 2 instead 1 witch he alone sets to 1`
`14:22.43`	`lrp`	`the freefontpath`
`14:24.14`	`maazu`	`lrp: which distro?`
`14:24.50`	`lrp`	`maazu debian 4`
`14:25.07`	`maazu`	`lrp: very controlled`
`14:25.12`	`lrp`	`maazu im going to dpkg -reconfigure -phigh x-server-xorg`
`14:25.15`	`maazu`	`lrp: i have not a clue`
`14:25.30`	`lrp`	`maazu im going to try doing that`
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`14:26.07`	`maazu`	`good night`
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`14:27.10`	`BlueAidan_work`	`okay, I give... how the heck do you get kde to use an OpenSSH dynamic port forward (SOCKS proxy) ?`
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`14:28.06`	`lrp`	`never worked`
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`14:28.10`	`lrp`	`purging all x`
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`14:29.41`	`lrp`	`hey any more ideas about how to fix my kde desktop_`
`14:29.51`	`lrp`	`or how to test all my configs ?`
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`14:29.57`	`lrp`	`because in the logs there is nothing`
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`14:32.24`	`lrp`	`hey any1 can help in here ?`
`14:33.01`	`Daverocks`	`lrp: sure, just ask your question`
`14:33.02`	`lrp`	`i installed now gdm but its the same he now lock the keyboard and put diferents resolutions of display everytime i touch my keyboard`
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`14:33.33`	`lrp`	`i had to kill gdm from other computer because he lock all my keyboard`
`14:34.03`	`lrp`	`rigth now im from text because my x dont work i dont know what to do and i cant reinstall`
`14:34.05`	`Thundercloud`	`Why have you got gdm if you're running kde?`
`14:34.30`	`Thundercloud`	`And what distro are you running?`
`14:34.30`	`Phobos`	`Hi. How do I make a symbolic link in /home and whenever I click on it it leads me to ftp://www.something.com (in Konqueror)`
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`14:34.42`	`lrp`	`because KDM crashed`
`14:34.49`	`Thundercloud`	`Phobos: You can't create symlinks to web addresses`
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`14:34.52`	`lrp`	`im runjing debian`
`14:34.56`	`Thundercloud`	`You can create URL files, that's about all`
`14:34.58`	`lrp`	`running sorry`
`14:35.03`	`Thundercloud`	`lrp: Etch, Lenny or Sid?`
`14:35.08`	`lrp`	`Etch`
`14:35.11`	`Thundercloud`	`Hrmm`
`14:35.14`	`Thundercloud`	`I dunno then`
`14:35.15`	`Phobos`	`Thundercloud: meaning link to URL ?`
`14:35.17`	`Thundercloud`	`I'm running Sid`
`14:35.19`	`Thundercloud`	`Phobos: Yeah`
`14:35.28`	`lrp`	`is not debian ?`
`14:35.28`	`Phobos`	`Thundercloud: ok, thanks mate`
`14:35.32`	`lrp`	`all its the same i think`
`14:35.39`	`Thundercloud`	`Not at all`
`14:35.43`	`Daverocks`	`Phobos: right click -> create new -> link to location (url)`
`14:35.49`	`Thundercloud`	`Etch is about a few months old in terms of software`
`14:35.51`	`Thundercloud`	`Sid is current`
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`14:36.52`	`Daverocks`	`lrp: try plain xdm`
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`14:37.27`	`lrp`	`Xdm ?`
`14:37.28`	`lrp`	`ok`
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`14:40.32`	`lrp`	`installing kde again`
`14:40.35`	`lrp`	`grrr`
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`14:42.20`	`lrp`	`Daverocks i think if i purge kde with all his components and install again the problem shoud fix right _`
`14:42.30`	`lrp`	`should be fixed`
`14:42.35`	`Daverocks`	`lrp: does the problem only occur when you login to kde?`
`14:42.45`	`pinotree`	`lrp: distro question does not belong here`
`14:42.58`	`lrp`	`Daverocks when im starting to the login manager them he crash`
`14:43.20`	`Daverocks`	`lrp: mmm, that's gdm`
`14:43.21`	`lrp`	`he crash right when its starting the login manager`
`14:43.30`	`lrp`	`with kdm its the same`
`14:44.04`	`lrp`	`i have kde installed again now , let me restart kdm to see if this work now`
`14:44.39`	`lrp`	`xdm simpbol error grrr`
`14:44.56`	`lrp`	`grrrrrrrrrr cannot connect5 to X-server`
`14:45.11`	`lrp`	`grrrrrrrrrr kpersonalizer cannot connect to X-server`
`14:45.25`	`lrp`	`im about to drive crazy in here`
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`14:47.50`	`lrp`	`hey kdm restrart and the same MY DESKTOP is now working help me out here please !`
`14:48.09`	`annma`	`lrp: what distro?`
`14:48.25`	`annma`	`if you have a new installation that does not work, ask in your distribution channel`
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`14:48.57`	`lrp`	`annma debian ecth`
`14:49.10`	`lrp`	`anmma its not a new`
`14:49.16`	`annma`	`ask in #debian-kde`
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`14:49.29`	`annma`	`not a new? so what did you do?`
`14:49.47`	`annma`	`you upgraded?`
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`14:56.39`	`codertux`	`hi, I'm trying to set up kde4. I've build kdelibs & kdepimlibs from a portage overlay (I'm using gentoo) and now I'm trying to build Kopete but I keep getting "Unknown CMake command "KDE4_NO_ENABLE_FINAL"." when running cmake. Any ideas what I can do?`
`14:57.28`	`annma`	`for portage stuff ask in "gentoo`
`14:57.32`	`annma`	`#gentoo`
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`14:57.46`	`annma`	`if you want to do it the usual way there's a doc on techbase`
`14:58.03`	`pinotree`	`codertux: and, http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Installing_a_subset_of_a_module`
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`15:01.58`	`codertux`	`annma: I did it the usual way (yes, http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Gentoo)`
`15:02.22`	`ann_cook`	`from a portage overlay you said`
`15:02.36`	`ann_cook`	`I don't know what that means`
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`15:02.51`	`ann_cook`	`look at the URL pinotree pasted`
`15:03.06`	`codertux`	`it's something like a software repository`
`15:03.14`	`ann_cook`	`if you build only kopete and not the whole module`
`15:03.15`	`codertux`	`I did look at it`
`15:03.26`	`ann_cook`	`do you build only kopete?`
`15:03.36`	`codertux`	`yes, that's what I was trying to do`
`15:03.44`	`ann_cook`	`you also need kdebase/runtime`
`15:03.57`	`codertux`	`but I think I've messed something up about cmake, since it can't find that macro`
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`15:04.22`	`pinotree`	`codertux: read that paragraph......`
`15:04.25`	`codertux`	`though it is there, in usr/kde/svn/share/apps/cmake/modules/KDE4Macros.cmake`
`15:04.30`	`ann_cook`	`what commands did you do to get kopete?`
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`15:06.20`	`codertux`	`ann_cook: it was something like "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdenetwork/kopete"`
`15:06.36`	`ann_cook`	`so please read th eurl pinotree pasted!!!`
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`15:06.48`	`ann_cook`	`<pinotree> codertux: and, http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Installing_a_subset_of_a_module`
`15:06.56`	`ann_cook`	`^^`
`15:07.12`	`pinotree`	`(that is the same page of the guide you're using, just a bit below)`
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`15:07.41`	`codertux`	`ann_cook, pinotree: I'll do that just now :) Thanks!`
`15:07.53`	`ann_cook`	`I'm gone now`
`15:08.17`	`codertux`	`goodbye!`
`15:08.30`	`codertux`	`thanks again for the nudge`
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`15:09.15`	`_HellTiger_`	`hi`
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`15:09.55`	`_HellTiger_`	`i am use "katapult" got new programms, i have try the menu update tool from kde, i cant find the app in katapult, some ideas?`
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`15:18.58`	`Burps`	`hi all`
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`15:20.03`	`Burps`	`Kde 3.5 (debian stable) : Trying to setup the resolution (1280x800) : so I wrote it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but on the Control center, I can only see until 1024x768 : where is the solution ?`
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`15:25.45`	`martijn`	`Total Release Freeze, is this only for a specific part of the kde apps?`
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`15:28.26`	`Daverocks`	`Burps: see if xrandr lists it`
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`15:31.16`	`pinotree`	`martijn: which deadline are you referring to?`
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`15:32.48`	`martijn`	`pinotree: deadline on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde4`
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`15:33.49`	`pinotree`	`martijn: the official release schedule is http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule`
`15:33.59`	`pinotree`	`forget anything else`
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`15:35.00`	`boom1992`	`pinotree: at behindkde.org i read that you're using debian-testing... so, today i installed it and i got some compile errors with kdelibs: http://pastebin.org/3846`
`15:35.13`	`boom1992`	`do you know about the problem or any way to fix it??`
`15:35.45`	`pinotree`	`that's not a debian-specific issue :)`
`15:36.28`	`boom1992`	`pinotree: yeah i know, but with kubuntu it works and with sidux/debian it doesn't`
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`15:38.43`	`martijn`	`thanks pinotree`
`15:38.50`	`pinotree`	`martijn: but, apart from that detail, what was your doubt about?`
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`15:39.28`	`martijn`	`pinotree: well, i am writing a doc for an app which i do not know which date it should be in for kde4`
`15:40.09`	`x_link`	`martijn: Are you using KDE 4.0?`
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`15:41.05`	`x_link`	`This Microsoft IE 1.1 seems really nice.`
`15:41.09`	`x_link`	`Thinking of buying one.`
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`15:41.18`	`x_link`	`Seems really comfortable, that's the only thing I want.`
`15:41.41`	`underplay`	`Someone in my system there is a script that is ovewritting one of my env variables, is there a way to track this script down?`
`15:42.13`	`pinotree`	`underplay: ##linux please`
`15:42.39`	`x_link`	`insulina: Try your distro's channel.`
`15:42.52`	`underplay`	`oh whoops, i typed the wrong channel`
`15:43.56`	`x_link`	`Ohh`
`15:44.01`	`x_link`	`I didn't mean insulina.`
`15:44.06`	`x_link`	`I mean't underplay =)`
`15:44.09`	`x_link`	`Well well...`
`15:44.14`	`x_link`	`I must go and do some stuff now.`
`15:44.15`	`x_link`	`Later!`
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`15:45.28`	`TheGateKeeper`	`first time k3b starts up it scans for devices & takes forever, any way I can fix this?`
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`15:46.05`	`martijn`	`x_link: nope, i still use 3.5.6, the feisty's default`
`15:46.34`	`martijn`	`pinotree: nope, i am Martijn van Vliet, but i am Dutch yes`
`15:46.59`	`thiago_home`	`pinotree: Martijn Klingens is spaze on IRC`
`15:47.08`	`pinotree`	`oh, right`
`15:47.18`	`martijn`	`normally i am martijn81 though`
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`15:47.24`	`martijn`	`just need to set it`
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`15:48.14`	`nick01`	`is KDE 4 beta 2 usable ?`
`15:48.22`	`thiago_home`	`define "usable"`
`15:48.38`	`nick01`	`like have a desktop and not crash every 10 min`
`15:48.41`	`pinotree`	`no`
`15:48.44`	`thiago_home`	`no`
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`15:49.09`	`nick01`	`so it does't have a desktop and it crashes a lot ?`
`15:49.11`	`BULLE`	`and i must say im a bit troubled by that, but thats another story`
`15:49.27`	`BULLE`	`nick01: it has a desktop, and some apps are pretty stable, others arent`
`15:49.40`	`MinceR`	`"no" would merely mean it doesn't have a desktop _or_ it crashes every 10 min ;)`
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`15:49.51`	`nick01`	`lol`
`15:50.22`	`nick01`	`do essential KDE components crash ? can it be used ? doing a gentoo reinstall soon`
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`15:50.38`	`nick01`	`today actually`
`15:51.17`	`ann_cook`	`KDE 4 is not usable`
`15:52.12`	`nick01`	`annma, what does it do that makes it unusable ? the whole thing crashes ?`
`15:52.28`	`annma`	`the desktop is not really done`
`15:52.35`	`apokryphos`	`nick01: and a lot of stuff just isn't implemented. Try one of the popular kde4 live CDs to find out`
`15:52.37`	`annma`	`so you cannot do anything except run kicker`
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`15:52.50`	`thiago_home`	`and kicker has been remove`
`15:52.50`	`thiago_home`	`d`
`15:52.58`	`annma`	`kicker from kde3`
`15:53.00`	`nick01`	`gr8 oh well KDE 3.5.7 then`
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`16:13.43`	`slonbg`	`hi. opensuse 10.2. kde 3.5.7-91. a few updates ago, suddenly kate and kwrite started to process correctly UTF-16 files (windows txt files), saying they are binary, and displaying the 0x00 bytes between the chars. I went in the settings, and there in the Open section, I select UTF16, and it started to work again. But the default was "KDE default". Where I set this "KDE default" ?, I could...`
`16:13.45`	`slonbg`	`...not find this in Control Center.`
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`16:14.12`	`slonbg`	`s/"process corectly"/"process incorrectly"`
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`16:15.51`	`MinceR`	`regex doesn't match :>`
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`16:16.48`	`slonbg`	`MinceR: the coffee did not match either :)`
`16:16.57`	`MinceR`	`:)`
`16:17.03`	`slonbg`	`i.e. not enough :)`
`16:17.16`	`spawn57`	`hehe`
`16:17.22`	`spawn57`	`I can never get sick of coffee jokes`
`16:18.22`	`slonbg`	`coffee needed = (hour awake) * (mass of the owner)`
`16:20.48`	`slonbg`	`so, any idea where I set the "KDE default" regarding the default encoding for opening txt files to UTF-16?`
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`16:31.07`	`MinceR`	`slonbg: dunno... do your UTF-16 files begin with a BOM?`
`16:31.26`	`MinceR`	`(in that case, it should be fairly easy to autodetect...)`
`16:32.12`	`Rasi`	`http://techgage.com/article/sabayon_linux_rc2`
`16:32.18`	`Rasi`	`anyone a clue what theme that is?`
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`16:37.55`	`shadok`	`Rasi: smells like beryl/compiz/compiz-fusion imho`
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`16:38.14`	`shadok`	`ah no, sorry there's no real transparency, it must be dekorator`
`16:38.21`	`Rasi`	`exactly`
`16:41.43`	`shadok`	`aero glass i suppose :)`
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`17:06.58`	`rem`	`Oooooh it's been a long time since I've entered one of these! :) Hi all!`
`17:07.25`	`DuClare`	`of what`
`17:07.41`	`rem`	`Chat channel`
`17:07.46`	`DuClare`	`oh`
`17:07.48`	`mardi`	`hi rem`
`17:08.01`	`rem`	`hi mardi`
`17:08.43`	`mardi`	`exciting eh?`
`17:08.51`	`rem`	`heh yeah lol`
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`17:09.41`	`rem`	`oh well, I shall sod off and carry on playing with fedora! Bye all!`
`17:09.48`	`mardi`	`have fun!`
`17:09.53`	`rem`	`will do!`
`17:10.01`	`rem`	`<gone>`
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`17:12.51`	`pirata_loco`	`good afternoon`
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`17:14.12`	`matthiewz`	`hello`
`17:14.19`	`pirata_loco`	`can someone tell me where i can find the kde panel config?`
`17:14.41`	`pinotree`	`right click on the panel → configure ?`
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`17:15.03`	`pirata_loco`	`pinotree, no, i mean the file`
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`17:15.23`	`pinotree`	`~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc`
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`17:17.17`	`pirata_loco`	`ah it's good hidden :-)`
`17:17.23`	`pirata_loco`	`thanks pinotree`
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`17:18.46`	`Angelus`	`someone knows why i dont have permision to go to system:/media on kde as normal user? i'm added to the plugdev group.`
`17:19.16`	`pirata_loco`	`if i have two screens and two panels, it is possible to copy one of them into the other without problems :-P ?`
`17:19.26`	`shibbo`	`hey all, I have a problem with KMail: If I set any form of automatic filter, all mail gets marked as "read" immediately, regardless of whether the filter applies or not...`
`17:19.55`	`shibbo`	`pirata_loco: copy what? the panels? just make a new panel...`
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`17:22.24`	`pirata_loco`	`hehe no, i want the same panel as on my laptop for the second monitor which has dualview`
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`17:27.48`	`_HellTiger_`	`i have installed package: kdeartwork, i cant find any more themes in kcontrol`
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`17:27.54`	`_HellTiger_`	`whats the problem?`
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`17:36.44`	`ericvb`	`has anyone any idea where I can find doc about network sound with kde ?`
`17:37.03`	`thiago_home`	`network sound?`
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`17:37.53`	`ericvb`	`when i start a remote x session i want to hear the sound locally`
`17:38.03`	`ericvb`	`not on the X server`
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`17:38.47`	`ericvb`	`something called Network Audio System`
`17:39.24`	`ericvb`	`if you have a look at Preferences->Sound->Sound System`
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`17:39.47`	`ericvb`	`there's a network sound option`
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`18:10.40`	`Komzpa`	`Gentoo, overlay kde. I've merged kdebase-9999.4 yesterday, but don't see any images on buttons. Is that a bug or my mistake somewhere(where?)?`
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`18:12.23`	`pinotree`	`use kcontrol and activate it?`
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`18:22.49`	`Komzpa`	`pinotree, I've opened konqueror from kde4, there are no images on buttons like forward\|reload\|print. Also it tells that file:// and http:// are unknown protocols.`
`18:23.25`	`pinotree`	`broken installation?`
`18:23.37`	`pinotree`	`we can't help with distro stuff, → #gentoo-kde`
`18:24.08`	`shadok`	`unstable software maybe ? :P`
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`18:24.45`	`Komzpa`	`may be. but that was compiled from svn using just gentoo ebuilds. so i'd like to know where to look for solution :)`
`18:25.08`	`pinotree`	`shadok: here it works (manual compilation)`
`18:25.25`	`pinotree`	`first ask in your distro channel`
`18:25.37`	`shadok`	`you're not a casual user wanting to try kde4 i'd say :)`
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`19:01.18`	`slonbg`	`MinceR: Sorry for the delay. I have no idea what is BOM. These are normal text files, created in Notepad in windows. And as said, it was working a few weeks ago. And it works now, as I set Kate to use UTF-16. But I want to make this default KDE-wise, as I often have to deal with this. And as in Kate setup there is an option to select "KDE default", I was wondering where should I set this "default"`
`19:01.51`	`MinceR`	`Byte Order Marker, some unicode texts begin with them, they tell the reader if it's little-endian, big-endian or utf-8`
`19:02.11`	`MinceR`	`perhaps notepad saved them with BOM before and not now`
`19:02.20`	`MinceR`	`i don't know about the default, or if it even exists`
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`19:05.48`	`slonbg`	`Nope, it starts with "ff fe", and then 2 bytes per char - i.e. the first letter in the text file is "J", and the file begins with "ff fe 4a 00", then follows the next char, again first byte is the ASCII code, and then 00. WHich I guess is expected, as UTF-16 is 2 bytes.`
`19:06.24`	`slonbg`	`but again, the problem now is not reding them, as I found out how, but how to make UTF-16 default for KDE`
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`19:06.34`	`slonbg`	`s/reding/reading`
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`19:07.09`	`slonbg`	`I would guess that if you have option "KDE default", you should be able to set this default somehow :)`
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`19:07.55`	`annma`	`slonbg: set your LANG variable`
`19:08.03`	`annma`	`taht'll be KDE default`
`19:08.46`	`slonbg`	`annma: how?`
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`19:09.13`	`thiago_home`	`I don't think setting the default encoding to UTF-16 is a good idea`
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`19:09.21`	`annma`	`I don't think either`
`19:09.28`	`annma`	`slonbg: what is your language?`
`19:09.43`	`thiago_home`	`I don't even think it's possible.`
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`19:10.16`	`slonbg`	`annma: eng us. sometimes I need to read cyrillic, win-1251.`
`19:10.21`	`slonbg`	`ok, that what is "KDE default"?`
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`19:10.29`	`annma`	`there is a en_UTF8 I think`
`19:10.36`	`annma`	`I think so slonbg`
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`19:10.48`	`annma`	`not so sure myself and finding it stupid as well`
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`19:11.26`	`annma`	`I cannot understand this stuff is again in kde4`
`19:12.29`	`slonbg`	`annma: btw, there is no choice of en_UTF`
`19:12.37`	`thiago_home`	`en_US.UTF-8`
`19:12.46`	`annma`	`that's the one`
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`19:13.21`	`slonbg`	`thiago_home: there is no such a thing, if you go to kate/settings/configure kate/Open_Save/Encoding`
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`19:14.35`	`annma`	`slonbg: as your global setting so ot becomes Kate default`
`19:14.36`	`thiago_home`	`just UTF-8`
`19:14.43`	`thiago_home`	`we were talking about setting your global configuration`
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`19:14.50`	`annma`	`otherwise select UTF8 in kate`
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`19:15.37`	`slonbg`	`actually, utf-8 did not work, utf-16 worked. so, how do I set this default (I will not probably, based on your advise), but just to know`
`19:15.47`	`thiago_home`	`you have just done so`
`19:15.53`	`thiago_home`	`you can set the default in Kate`
`19:15.58`	`thiago_home`	`for Kate only`
`19:16.11`	`slonbg`	`ok, and for kde itself?`
`19:16.23`	`slonbg`	`i did not find anything in CC`
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`19:16.23`	`thiago_home`	`you don't`
`19:16.31`	`thiago_home`	`we've just told you how to set UTF-8 as your default`
`19:16.48`	`thiago_home`	`you can't set UTF-16 as the default`
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`19:20.08`	`slonbg`	`ok, thanks.`
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`19:35.54`	`xenol`	`plz i got a problem with kde`
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`19:36.20`	`xenol`	`icons like back forward amarok links in the bottom on konqueror doesnt show`
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`19:36.46`	`eidolon`	`hi folks, anyone know a shortcut for disabling the popup access keys thing in konqueror? drives me nutty.`
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`19:43.54`	`PhilRod`	`eidolon: I think it's in the faq`
`19:43.58`	`PhilRod`	`you need to edit a config file`
`19:44.09`	`eidolon`	`i'm seeing: kwriteconfig --file khtmlrc --group "Access Keys" --key Enabled --type bool false`
`19:44.12`	`eidolon`	`do i just do that in my home dir?`
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`19:46.15`	`PhilRod`	`any directory you like`
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`19:50.57`	`buscher`	`is this website http://galerie.jana-pallaske.net/ just for me too wide? or a konqueror problem?`
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`19:52.57`	`annma`	`buscher: looks OK here`
`19:53.47`	`sheldonh`	`well, i can copy files to and from the phone using bluetooth or usb. i guess that's something`
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`19:56.04`	`buscher`	`annma I wonder, it looks strange on my 2 pcs, are you really using konqueror 3.5.7? :)`
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`20:00.22`	`mortan`	`hi! i have a little problem with kde 3.5. the startmenu shows only the applications in my ~/.locale folder, but not the ones in /usr/share/applications. what can be the problem?`
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`20:02.13`	`mortan`	`no ideas? :(`
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`20:04.26`	`PhilRod`	`mortan: perhaps the XDG_* variables are set incorrectly`
`20:04.36`	`PhilRod`	`what does "set \| grep XDG" say?`
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`20:04.55`	`mortan`	`PhilRod: XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde/share`
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`20:05.19`	`pinotree`	`mortan: wait, where is your kde installation?`
`20:05.25`	`qiliang`	`hi, all, which channel is for i18n/l10n? thanks`
`20:05.49`	`mortan`	`pinotree: under /opt/kde`
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`20:06.34`	`pinotree`	`then it's quite logic that a) being your kde in /opt b) having set XDG_DATA_DIRS to it, it does not look at /usr/share`
`20:07.08`	`thiago_home`	`but it's a bad idea to set XDG_DATA_DIRS to not contain /usr/share and /usr/local/share`
`20:07.33`	`pinotree`	`export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde/share:/usr/share/:/usr/local/share`
`20:07.50`	`mortan`	`hm, sounds good`
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`20:08.43`	`mortan`	`pinotree: do i need to put this in my .bashrc or in another config file?`
`20:08.54`	`pinotree`	`.bashrc is enough`
`20:09.21`	`mortan`	`ok, i test it`
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`20:10.28`	`mortan`	`jeah, that does the job :) thanks!`
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`20:19.11`	`sredna`	`it kicks me off ALL THE TIME`
`20:19.50`	`timrs`	`I only get kicked off because my wireless internet drops every hour now...`
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`20:20.37`	`mortan`	`hm, one more problem: in every kde app that tries to access the internet i get "error loading kio_http". thats pretty annonying and i did not find any solution on the web for this. any idea why kio_http can not be loaded?`
`20:20.50`	`sredna`	`my connection is SUPPOSED to be up all the time`
`20:20.59`	`sredna`	`but appearently there are holes`
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`20:22.31`	`gkiagia`	`mortan: maybe because it is not installed?`
`20:22.56`	`mortan`	`gkiagia: huh? it does ship with kde, does it?`
`20:23.23`	`gkiagia`	`maybe your distro has it in another package. what distro are you using?`
`20:23.34`	`mortan`	`still Arch Linux :)`
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`20:24.00`	`mortan`	`but let me say: it worked a few days before... but now it's broken for some reasons i dont know`
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`20:24.35`	`gkiagia`	`I don't know. try asking in your distro's channel`
`20:25.05`	`mortan`	`no good idea`
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`20:26.06`	`mortan`	`but i found out that kio_http is at: /opt/kde/lib/kde3/kio_http.so... strange`
`20:26.26`	`mortan`	`maybe some export thingy as well?`
`20:28.55`	`PhilRod`	`mortan: only thing I can think of would be to run the app from a konsole, and look at the debug output there`
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`20:29.44`	`gkiagia`	`LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/kde/lib might also help, although I think this is not the problem`
`20:29.51`	`mortan`	`hm, i did it: could not load kio_http`
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`20:31.50`	`mortan`	`gkiagia: error goes like this: konqueror: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Aufruf des Ein-/Ausgabemoduls nicht möglich.`
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`20:31.59`	`nlefk`	`hello`
`20:32.50`	`nlefk`	`I am getting this error while installing the latest kdebase from the svn :`
`20:32.53`	`nlefk`	`CMake Error: Error in cmake code at`
`20:32.53`	`nlefk`	`/home/kde-devel/kde/build/kdesupport/soprano/includes/cmake_install.cmake:30:`
`20:32.53`	`nlefk`	`FILE INSTALL destination: /home/kde-devel/kde/include/Soprano is not a directory.`
`20:34.08`	`gkiagia`	`mortan: sorry, but I don't understand the german part. is this some improvement over the previous "could not load kio_http" ?`
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`20:34.37`	`pinotree`	`nlefk: rm /home/kde-devel/kde/include/Soprano`
`20:34.52`	`mortan`	`gkiagia: here is the following line from the output: klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von "kio_http"`
`20:35.05`	`nlefk`	`pinotree: thanks`
`20:35.12`	`mortan`	`(klauncher reports: error while loading kio_http)`
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`20:39.13`	`mortan`	`gkiagia: man, problem eliminated :)`
`20:39.18`	`sheldonh`	`hmmm, gnokii, must take a look. i'd completely forgotten about it`
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`20:48.21`	`t35t0r`	`how do i delete from konqueror without putting it in the trash?`
`20:48.45`	`thiago_home`	`Shift+Delete`
`20:50.12`	`gkiagia`	`t35t0r: or enable the delete context menu action from konqueror's options`
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`20:52.21`	`teva`	`gkiagia: thank`
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`21:06.25`	`BCMM`	`how do you adjust mouse sensitivity?`
`21:06.37`	`BCMM`	`i only see an option for acceleration`
`21:06.40`	`nlefk`	`what branches except kdelibs/kdepimlibs and kdebase should I install to have a more complete overview of the current project state ?`
`21:06.51`	`BCMM`	`but the mouse cursor is basically always going too fast`
`21:07.57`	`gkiagia`	`nlefk: you may also be interested in playground/plasma`
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`21:08.30`	`nlefk`	`gkiagia: i'll check this out, thanks :)`
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`21:10.46`	`mortan`	`BCMM: there was an article in the gentoo wiki about this`
`21:11.03`	`BCMM`	`mortan, ah thanks`
`21:11.16`	`BCMM`	`mortan, i just tried xset but that's only adjusting my laptop's touchpad`
`21:11.44`	`mortan`	`BCMM: hm, i think it was xset... but i dont remember the parameters`
`21:12.02`	`BCMM`	`mortan, xset is effecting only my touchpad`
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`21:14.53`	`BlueG`	`I am having problems with ktorrent... it downloaded the first 99.9% in two days, but in the two days since, although it has appeared to be steadily downloading, has made no further progress... what could cause this?`
`21:14.57`	`mortan`	`BCMM: thats strange, it should affect your mouse... anyway, here the article: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Setting_Mouse_Speed_Through_Command_Line`
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`21:15.14`	`BCMM`	`mortan, thanks`
`21:16.16`	`BCMM`	`mortan, well, it's still only affecting my touchpad`
`21:16.25`	`BCMM`	`mortan, i guess i'll do something to xorg.conf`
`21:16.45`	`mortan`	`BCMM: good idea`
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`21:18.28`	`BlueG`	`If ktorrents reported download rates are accurate, the file should have finished downloading a day or two ago`
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`21:28.08`	`kucrut`	`BlueG, got seeders? what does the tracker tab say?`
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`21:34.03`	`BlueG`	`kucrut: there are seeders, but tracker status says timeout on server`
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`21:35.05`	`kucrut`	`BlueG, try to recheck the downloaded files, it saves me sometimes.`
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`21:36.07`	`BlueG`	`kucrut: do you meant the check data integrity option, or something else?`
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`21:36.18`	`kucrut`	`yep, that one`
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`21:37.11`	`BlueG`	`kucrut: ok, its checking`
`21:37.26`	`kucrut`	`g'luck then ;-)`
`21:38.33`	`GraveDigger`	`is there any way in kde without tools like imwheel to map mouse button 8 and 9 to key strokes alt-left and alt-right?`
`21:38.39`	`GraveDigger`	`for browser navigation and stuff?`
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`21:38.59`	`PhilRod`	`hrm, khotkeys maybe`
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`21:39.05`	`GraveDigger`	`i'd prefer a "native kde solution"`
`21:39.14`	`PhilRod`	`(control center -> regional & a11y -> input actions)`
`21:39.24`	`benJIman`	`GraveDigger: I've not found a way to work in all apps without imwheel.`
`21:39.25`	`GraveDigger`	`PhilRod: any idea how to realise this? i have played a lot with khotkeys config in kcontrol, but found nothing similar`
`21:39.37`	`benJIman`	`GraveDigger: I don't think it's possible.`
`21:39.52`	`benJIman`	`GraveDigger: Which is annoying, because imwheel is a pain to use, and not even packaged.`
`21:39.56`	`benJIman`	`And unmaintained.`
`21:39.57`	`GraveDigger`	`benJIman: hmm sigh i was afraid to read something like this`
`21:40.08`	`GraveDigger`	`benJIman: yeah, this is why i dislike to use it, too`
`21:40.48`	`GraveDigger`	`benJIman: anyways: how did you get it working then, and which applications does this mapping not work in for you?`
`21:40.59`	`benJIman`	`GraveDigger: imwheel works with pretty much anything`
`21:41.06`	`GraveDigger`	`hmm... yes`
`21:41.06`	`benJIman`	`Most things support alt-left and alt-right`
`21:41.11`	`GraveDigger`	`yeah`
`21:41.15`	`benJIman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:41.16`	`benJIman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:41.16`	`benJIman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:41.24`	`benJIman`	`In your ~/.imwheelrc`
`21:41.28`	`GraveDigger`	`okey`
`21:41.38`	`GraveDigger`	`so it's the ususal imwheel stuff for you?`
`21:41.58`	`benJIman`	`Yeah.`
`21:42.05`	`benJIman`	`My mouse has 17 buttons, not got them to all work yet though.`
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`21:42.14`	`GraveDigger`	`17??? holy shit`
`21:42.18`	`GraveDigger`	`what a mouse do you have?`
`21:42.33`	`lindenle`	`How do i make korganizer work with timezones?`
`21:42.34`	`benJIman`	`MX revolution.`
`21:43.02`	`GraveDigger`	`benJIman: whoa, damn hot! i've got a g5 laser and this one only has 8 buttons o_O`
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`21:43.26`	`GraveDigger`	`benJIman: 10 buttons if you include the sensitivity switchers oO`
`21:44.29`	`benJIman`	`Resolution changing on the fly is such hax.`
`21:44.34`	`benJIman`	`Way to cheat at games.`
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`21:45.22`	`GraveDigger`	`benJIman: hehe, no cheating! its only a damn good mouse :D`
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`21:45.37`	`GraveDigger`	`i use it, too, for counterstrike - i dont wanna miss it anymore! :D`
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`21:46.29`	`Firestarter-`	`where does kmail store its config files in a users dir`
`21:46.55`	`Fleck`	`Firestarter- ~/.kde/share/config`
`21:47.04`	`Firestarter-`	`thank you`
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`21:47.16`	`GraveDigger`	`benJIman: anyways: thanks for advise`
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`21:47.25`	`GraveDigger`	`PhilRod: to you, too, of course`
`21:47.25`	`GraveDigger`	`0)`
`21:47.26`	`GraveDigger`	`=)`
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`21:47.34`	`PhilRod`	`np`
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`21:55.31`	`PhilRod`	`ubuntu_: go to docs.kde.org, click on "user guide", and read the "theming kde" section there`
`21:57.16`	`ubuntu_`	`PhilRod: how can i install login screen? cant find that :-/`
`21:57.33`	`PhilRod`	`it's part of kdebase`
`21:57.47`	`PhilRod`	`unless your distro does something different, in which case you'll have to ask in #kubuntu`
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`22:01.55`	`spx2`	`hi`
`22:02.00`	`spx2`	`I have a big big problem`
`22:02.05`	`spx2`	`a VERY LARGE HUGE PROBLEM`
`22:02.08`	`spx2`	`can I please get some help ?`
`22:02.10`	`spx2`	`ok`
`22:02.25`	`spx2`	`I don't know what to install to be able to save my KDE session`
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`22:02.32`	`spx2`	`I have debian as distro installed on my machine`
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`22:02.54`	`PhilRod`	`you don't need to install anything - it's part of kdebase`
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`22:03.42`	`PhilRod`	`to save a session manually, go to contorl center -> kde components -> session manager -> "restore manually saved session"`
`22:04.00`	`PhilRod`	`then you get an option in your k menu to save the current session`
`22:04.43`	`spx2`	`you told me how to restore it`
`22:04.47`	`spx2`	`not how to ave it`
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`22:05.00`	`PhilRod`	`[23:04] <PhilRod> then you get an option in your k menu to save the current session`
`22:05.58`	`spx2`	`PhilRod: it was set on "Restore previous session"`
`22:06.05`	`spx2`	`PhilRod: no what behaviour will it have ?`
`22:07.41`	`PhilRod`	`it does what it says on the tin: if you set "restore previously saved session", then at startup, kde will restore the last session you saved using the k menu "save session" option`
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`22:31.58`	`melvin`	`alguien sabe como pudo instalar programas en fedora desde la terminar X, tales como amsn y xmms`
`22:32.19`	`pinotree`	`english, and #fedora please`
`22:33.15`	`nlefk`	`i'm having some problems when using scrollbars in the current kde 4 snapshot. Specifically, when using a scrollbar I get distorted views of the contents of the window`
`22:33.20`	`nlefk`	`does this happen to everyone ?`
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`22:33.32`	`pinotree`	`nlefk: nvidia?`
`22:33.38`	`nlefk`	`pinotree: yes`
`22:33.56`	`pinotree`	`known problem, most probablya bug in the nvidia driver`
`22:34.14`	`nlefk`	`hmm, i see`
`22:34.51`	`pinotree`	`nothing kde4-specific, but Qt4 ←→ NVIDIA`
`22:35.58`	`nlefk`	`let's hope they care enough to solve this. a lot of people use nvidia's proprietary drivers ..`
`22:36.45`	`Sho_`	`pinotree: Debian's already uploading the new Yakuake for you`
`22:38.08`	`Sho_`	`(and Gentoo has it syncing to the mirrors atm)`
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`22:38.20`	`Sho_`	`One less todo item`
`22:38.21`	`Sho_`	`:)`
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`22:40.44`	`spx2`	`i have a problem with my gfx card`
`22:40.51`	`spx2`	`I can't seem to get drivers working on linux`
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`22:41.20`	`Sho_`	`spx2: If it's an nVidia or ATI card check #nvidia or #ati, otherwise #xorg`
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`22:42.26`	`gfunk`	`hi anybody around?`
`22:42.36`	`Sho_`	`gfunk: sure`
`22:42.40`	`gfunk`	`good :)`
`22:42.55`	`gfunk`	`i've installed kdebase.. what i have to typ in my ~/.xinitrc to start it?`
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`22:43.04`	`gfunk`	`didnt wprk with "exec startkde" and "exec kde"`
`22:43.48`	`Sho_`	`startkde ought to be it, actually`
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`22:43.56`	`Sho_`	`does 'which startkde' output anything?`
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`22:44.30`	`gfunk`	`no kde..`
`22:44.32`	`gfunk`	`:(`
`22:45.15`	`FreshPrince`	`strange..`
`22:45.24`	`FreshPrince`	`dont wanna work. @ Sho_`
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`22:45.29`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: 'which startkde' doesn't output anything?`
`22:45.31`	`nlefk`	`gfunk you can run plasma without starting a new kde session`
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`22:45.44`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_: sure it does`
`22:45.53`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: hmm ..`
`22:45.55`	`FreshPrince`	`which: no kde in (/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/bin:/opt/mozilla/bin)`
`22:46.08`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: err`
`22:46.14`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince 'startkde', not 'kde'`
`22:46.19`	`FreshPrince`	`ok`
`22:46.22`	`FreshPrince`	`which: no startkde in (/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/bin:/opt/mozilla/bin)`
`22:46.28`	`FreshPrince`	`:(`
`22:46.39`	`nlefk`	`gfunk: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#Launching_KDE_4_sessions`
`22:46.41`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: Have you installed kdebase in any of those locations?`
`22:47.04`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_: well i did only an "pacman -S kdebase"`
`22:47.58`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: googling for 'pacman startkde' makes me believe it's in /opt/kde/bin/startkde on that distro, and /opt/kde/bin isn't in your PATH according to which`
`22:48.30`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: I suggest asking in the distro channel, it's a packaging thing`
`22:48.36`	`FreshPrince`	`hm..`
`22:48.42`	`FreshPrince`	`yup think so..`
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`22:49.36`	`litb`	`hm, is there a way i can tell kwin to tile all windows so that each, which is not minimized, is fully visible?`
`22:49.58`	`Sho_`	`litb: nope`
`22:50.00`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_: a user tould me i have to logout login ^^ lets try it brb`
`22:50.10`	`Sho_`	`litb: That's one feature of the Windows window manager I'd like to have in kwin`
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`22:50.29`	`litb`	`yeah`
`22:50.54`	`Sho_`	`litb: There's an "Unclutter windows" command that will attemt to move them to minimize overlapping, but it doesn't resize to tile`
`22:51.01`	`Sho_`	`*attempt`
`22:51.04`	`litb`	`sometimes of i work with emacs, i would like to have the emacs window and the speedbar be fully visible, and not that the speedbar covers my code`
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`22:51.18`	`litb`	`i hate that each time i have to move it away from my code...`
`22:51.58`	`nlefk`	`kde runs much more smoothly now than two weeks ago but everything still seems to be quite raw. Especially aesthetically, the current build lacks finesse from the whole setup to the spacing between widgets etc. I guess I'm expecting too much from a prerelease right ? :)`
`22:52.18`	`litb`	`i think the best approach would be a hybrid WM, having a tiling and a overlapping mode, which can be combined in some way which makes sense`
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`22:52.23`	`Sho_`	`nlefk: yeah :)`
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`22:53.08`	`nlefk`	`Sho_: lol :) I just want it to rock when it comes out <3`
`22:55.32`	`idem`	`Who decides of KDE release dates ?`
`22:56.01`	`Sho_`	`idem: The release team, based on input from the developer and user (distro) community`
`22:56.16`	`idem`	`ok`
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`22:58.04`	`Egyptian[Home]`	`hi`
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`22:58.29`	`Egyptian[Home]`	`how do i add a right click action to "attach and send this file with kmail?`
`22:58.43`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_, ok it works thanks`
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`23:00.12`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: good good`
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`23:00.20`	`FreshPrince`	`yup`
`23:00.25`	`FreshPrince`	`but one more question`
`23:00.41`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_, i've seen in the screenshots that users have the mac-plugin-menu`
`23:00.58`	`FreshPrince`	`it looks like mac menu.. can i download that ?`
`23:01.05`	`Sho_`	`Egyptian[Home]: Check whether there already exists such a service menu in the Service Menu section on www.kde-apps.org first`
`23:01.45`	`Sho_`	`Egyptian[Home]: I find three: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11234 http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=35872 http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=13280`
`23:02.06`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: I'm not sure what you mean with mac-plugin-menu ...`
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`23:03.45`	`Egyptian[Home]`	`Sho_: wow .. i couldnt find one at kde-apps.. nice searching!`
`23:03.47`	`Egyptian[Home]`	`thanks`
`23:04.05`	`Sho_`	`np`
`23:04.20`	`Sho_`	`(searched for "mail")`
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`23:05.05`	`Egyptian[Home]`	`Sho_: ah .. i searched for Kmail ;)`
`23:05.08`	`Egyptian[Home]`	`thanks bye`
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`23:08.22`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_, well the menu looks like the macOSX menu.`
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`23:08.31`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_, wait.. i'm gonna search a screenshot`
`23:09.12`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_, http://kldp.org/files/kde-screenshot_943.jpg`
`23:11.13`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: Ah ... right-click desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior -> General -> Menu Bar at Top of Screne`
`23:11.15`	`Sho_`	`*Screen`
`23:15.15`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_, yay thats it :D thx a lot :)`
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`23:16.08`	`idem`	`night everyone :)`
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`23:18.32`	`Mac40DO`	`Hi! How can I configure konqueror to remember the view of a directory? I want different views for different directories.`
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`23:19.11`	`benJIman`	`Mac40DO: settings -> save view changes per folder`
`23:20.24`	`Mac40DO`	`Ok, I'll try, thx :-)`
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`23:20.29`	`Sho_`	`benJIman: Kubuntu removed that ;) (only access point to the setting anywhere)`
`23:20.38`	`petra`	`hello everyone`
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`23:21.07`	`Mac40DO`	`Sho_: yes, I can't find it :-(`
`23:21.18`	`Mac40DO`	`dammned Kubuntu`
`23:21.20`	`benJIman`	`Fail.`
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`23:22.27`	`petra`	`I've just installed sabayon 3.4a, and don't know how to start system update??`
`23:22.35`	`petra`	`can you please help me?`
`23:22.55`	`petra`	`thanks everyone...`
`23:23.14`	`Sho_`	`petra: #sabayon is the place to ask`
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`23:39.02`	`FreshPrince`	`hm`
`23:39.17`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_, if i try to change the x-chat gtk theme it didnt work.. why that? :(`
`23:39.45`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: Sorry, but X-Chat support is in #xchat`
`23:40.01`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_, i know.. but it depends on kde not'..`
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`23:41.09`	`DrakeJustice`	`FreshPrince, all the other GTK apps changed themes but not XChat?`
`23:41.18`	`FreshPrince`	`DrakeJustice, yes`
`23:41.19`	`Sho_`	`FreshPrince: If you want a KDE IRC client check out Konversation or KSirc, those play nicely with KDE's theme settings`
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`23:41.56`	`FreshPrince`	`DrakeJustice, yes`
`23:42.05`	`FreshPrince`	`Sho_, ok`
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