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| 00:20.36 | BEDlR | selam Türk varmı |
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| 00:52.36 | LnxSlck | i just pluged in my sony dcs camera (usb) shouldn't i get a window that says what i want to do with the files? |
| 00:52.37 | LnxSlck | automont? |
| 00:52.37 | LnxSlck | mount |
| 00:53.14 | Renze | only if the camera is classified as removable media (i.e. acts like a usb drive) |
| 00:53.27 | LnxSlck | how do i see that? |
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| 00:53.42 | Renze | LnxSlck: read the manual that came with the camera? |
| 00:54.08 | LnxSlck | Renze, do you really think the manual has something about linux ? |
| 00:54.20 | LnxSlck | it says nothing, it doesn't even need drivers for windows |
| 00:54.26 | Renze | LnxSlck: no, but it might tell you if the camera uses the usb mass storage system |
| 00:54.39 | LnxSlck | Renze, yes it uses |
| 00:54.47 | LnxSlck | it appears on linux as sda1 |
| 00:54.49 | Renze | and you have hal and dbus installed and running? |
| 00:54.59 | Renze | and pmount installed? |
| 00:55.41 | LnxSlck | not sure about that, i'm running slack 11 |
| 00:55.48 | Renze | I know nothing about slackware |
| 00:56.08 | Renze | but I do know that you need hal, dbus, and pmount installed, and hal and dbus started |
| 00:56.13 | LnxSlck | Renze, what do you use? ubuntu? |
| 00:56.15 | Renze | gentoo |
| 00:56.25 | LnxSlck | linux is linux |
| 00:56.26 | Renze | wouldn't touch ubuntu with a ten metre cattleprod |
| 00:56.35 | LnxSlck | lol |
| 00:57.16 | LnxSlck | ubuntu isn't that bad |
| 00:57.31 | Renze | in my opinion, anything that uses binary packages is bad ;) |
| 00:57.47 | LnxSlck | like .deb |
| 00:57.47 | LnxSlck | ? |
| 00:57.53 | Renze | yes, and slackpacks |
| 00:57.58 | LnxSlck | what? |
| 00:58.00 | LnxSlck | .tgz? |
| 00:58.06 | Renze | they're still binary |
| 00:58.15 | Renze | if it's compiled already, it's binary |
| 00:58.20 | LnxSlck | what's worng with tgz ? |
| 00:58.35 | Renze | nothing wrong with .tgz... just with the contents |
| 00:58.56 | LnxSlck | it depends on who builds the package don't you think ? |
| 00:59.08 | Renze | yes... and I prefer to do all the building myself |
| 00:59.17 | qupada | actually you have to give ubuntu some credit. things that bloody suck in their ways debian wouldn't have ever change if ubuntu hadn't come along are numerous |
| 00:59.31 | AlexElliott | Slack 11.0 does not have hal or dbus, rather it's a minor patch placed on KDE to allow media:/ to work with fstab |
| 00:59.40 | Renze | AlexElliott: lame |
| 00:59.56 | Tm_T | Renze: Well, when you build KDE from svn regularly, at some point you see easier to get rest of the system compiled already. ;) |
| 01:00.10 | qupada | a minor patch? really |
| 01:00.10 | Renze | Tm_T: each to their own :D |
| 01:00.26 | AlexElliott | Or so it was said in the changelog |
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| 01:00.31 | LnxSlck | qupada, so i have to install dbus ? |
| 01:00.34 | Renze | then we'd better stop supporting slackware in here |
| 01:00.50 | Renze | if they screw up KDE like that |
| 01:01.03 | Tm_T | Renze: ...and in time we end up to support *nothing* ;) |
| 01:01.15 | Renze | Tm_T: just support the source ;) |
| 01:01.24 | Renze | let the distros handle their own messes |
| 01:01.24 | Tm_T | As it is now. |
| 01:01.34 | qupada | Tm_T: actually when you compile things a lot i find it's generally easier to have compiled everything else, ensures that the package builder hasn't left out headers and crap, or farmed them off to some other difficult to find package |
| 01:02.25 | Tm_T | qupada: Well, I don't have those problems really, and if there's problems in package, it need to be fixed. |
| 01:02.33 | Tm_T | ..and that way help others too. |
| 01:03.21 | AlexElliott | Renze, I agree that it shouldn't have been patched, and I'm still not clear on why it was. Usually Pat keeps the original sources. |
| 01:03.38 | Tm_T | But I'm too old to preatch this late so good night and behave kids! -> |
| 01:03.50 | biquillo | hello, any one with experience compiling kde4? I've got some problems.... :( |
| 01:04.04 | AlexElliott | Oh well, I guess I just have to hope for hal/dbus in the next release |
| 01:04.08 | Renze | biquillo: #kde4-devel might be a more suitable channel |
| 01:04.15 | biquillo | thx |
| 01:05.48 | qupada | it's amazing that slackware has survived this long really. very few distros that have a dictatorship like that do |
| 01:07.36 | AlexElliott | Well, it does some things that I like, such as no dependancy tracking. Yes that's actually one of the reasons I like it ;) |
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| 01:08.36 | AlexElliott | Balances control/convenience quite well for me. I like binary packages, but I also like compiling some things myself, and you can do that easily. |
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| 01:10.14 | AlexElliott | But well, that's off topic, you can get that spiel from ##slackware if you want it ;) |
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| 01:27.47 | pierreth | who does use KDE with the Mac keyboard layout? |
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| 02:24.05 | LazyAngel | hi! im trying to copy korganizer calendar with settings over to another computer. But if i copy ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/ to my new system, i will only get the calendar. Not the configuration like colors and preferences. Anyone know where i find that? |
| 02:24.53 | Renze | LazyAngel: somewhere in .kde/share/config/ probably |
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| 02:26.28 | JacobSingh | Does anybody here use egroupware with kontact? |
| 02:28.07 | the_raven | Where can I go for help with Konqueror? |
| 02:28.22 | Renze | here, or #khtml if it's a html rendering problem |
| 02:28.50 | the_raven | The only thing I'm sure of is that it's not playing sound from Homestarrunner.com. |
| 02:28.58 | the_raven | I haven't tried any other sites. |
| 02:29.58 | marktaff | Howdy. Is anyone here familiar with using the gwenview kpart in an application? I seem to be having some issues... |
| 02:30.22 | Renze | the_raven: settings -> configure konqueror, plugins page, plugins tab in the bottom half, tick "use artsdsp to pipe plugin sound through arts" |
| 02:33.19 | the_raven | I'm trying that right now. |
| 02:33.59 | the_raven | It works! Thank you so very much! |
| 02:34.12 | LazyAngel | Renze: thanks. ill check it out |
| 02:34.20 | Renze | no problem |
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| 02:36.18 | shadok | is there a way to install flash plugin in konqueror on a 64bits system trough nspluginwrapper ? |
| 02:36.28 | shadok | (or another app maybe) |
| 02:36.40 | Renze | shadok: buy me a 64-bit system and I'll figure it out for you ;) |
| 02:37.08 | shadok | what ? i didn't ask anything ^^ |
| 02:37.30 | Renze | still worth a try ;) |
| 02:37.33 | shadok | hehe |
| 02:37.55 | shadok | i think that with nsplugin wrapper it can't be done, i'm looking for another wrapper |
| 02:38.02 | shadok | (ns = netscape) |
| 02:38.02 | marktaff | shadok: I have flash on 64bit suse 10.1, kde 3.5.5 |
| 02:38.13 | Renze | (ns = nutscrape) |
| 02:38.26 | shadok | marktaff: in konqueror ? a 64bits one ? |
| 02:38.34 | shadok | Renze: :) |
| 02:38.38 | archangelpetro | hi |
| 02:38.54 | marktaff | Yes. |
| 02:39.11 | shadok | do you know what soft manages to do this ? |
| 02:39.25 | marktaff | shadok: flash-player-7.0.69.0-1.2@i586 works |
| 02:39.47 | shadok | hmm, i'll try that but i'm not convinced :) |
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| 02:40.22 | marktaff | I only installed it two weeks ago, now I might uninstall it. Flash *sucks* |
| 02:40.49 | marktaff | shadok: `smart install flash*` |
| 02:40.53 | shadok | are you sure that suse doesn't run konqueror 32bits in a chroot or using emul-libs ? |
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| 02:41.51 | shadok | "We are unable to locate a Web player that matches your platform and browser." ^^ |
| 02:42.09 | shadok | but i didn't see smart install |
| 02:42.12 | marktaff | shadok: kdebase3-3.5.5-142.1@x86_64 (for konqueror*), so yes, 64 bit konqi |
| 02:42.13 | shadok | arf smart |
| 02:42.28 | shadok | smart is your package manager right ? |
| 02:42.34 | shadok | hmm |
| 02:42.44 | marktaff | smart is a multi-disribution package management solution |
| 02:43.12 | shadok | ok i thought it was an installation method from adobe ^^ |
| 02:43.19 | marktaff | the native pkg manager suck on suse 10.1/2 |
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| 02:43.37 | marktaff | Adobe doesn't make 64 bit flash |
| 02:43.44 | shadok | :p |
| 02:43.55 | shadok | marktaff: right, so it must exist a wrapper for it |
| 02:43.59 | MrGrim | they mentioned their intent to iirc |
| 02:44.19 | shadok | will be ready in five years ^^ |
| 02:44.22 | marktaff | the i586 rpm works here, no twiddling required |
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| 02:45.00 | shadok | marktaff: that is the suse's work, there must be a wrapper somewhere |
| 02:45.51 | marktaff | what distro are you using? have your tried the i586 rpm? Not the one from adobe? |
| 02:46.01 | shadok | gentoo |
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| 02:48.35 | shadok | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=216959 :D |
| 02:50.46 | shadok | erf i'm dumb |
| 02:50.51 | marktaff | shadok: hope that works for you |
| 02:50.56 | shadok | * kde-base/nsplugins Description: Netscape plugins support for Konqueror. |
| 02:51.17 | shadok | so, sorry for those stupid questions :) |
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| 02:51.59 | shadok | marktaff: it will, portage include it and there even is a stable version for it, thx for your help :) |
| 02:52.10 | marktaff | shadok: yw |
| 02:52.14 | marktaff | ;-) |
| 02:52.56 | marktaff | ? |
| 02:53.05 | shadok | weren't you already ? ^^ |
| 02:53.16 | Renze | moreso |
| 02:53.24 | shadok | hehe |
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| 02:53.53 | edwardocallaghan | Hi |
| 02:54.13 | Renze | the irish are coming! |
| 02:54.23 | edwardocallaghan | ? |
| 02:54.29 | Renze | just kidding |
| 02:54.35 | edwardocallaghan | I'm Irish |
| 02:54.40 | Morbo | Exactly :p |
| 02:54.40 | Renze | I know ;) |
| 02:54.56 | edwardocallaghan | ?what the... |
| 02:55.59 | edwardocallaghan | I am sure this has already been asked but when will alpha/beta KDE4 be out ? |
| 02:56.02 | shadok | callaghan seems a bit irish to me so it doesn't require great divination skills :) |
| 02:56.18 | edwardocallaghan | Hmmm |
| 02:56.23 | Renze | edwardocallaghan: in six months, or longer |
| 02:56.33 | shadok | edwardocallaghan: you can already find a dev version but i think there is no roadmap to alpha/beta releases |
| 02:56.36 | edwardocallaghan | I am only half Irish |
| 02:57.12 | edwardocallaghan | Oh because I would like to start playing with it at that stage |
| 02:57.26 | edwardocallaghan | Then I would like to pull it into a distro |
| 02:58.10 | shadok | http://www.kde.org/info/3.80.2.php |
| 02:58.42 | shadok | beware that it must be very unstable (i didn't test it but the name implies it) |
| 02:59.14 | shadok | Renze: do you know what is the point with kde 3.5.6 in portage ? |
| 02:59.28 | Renze | shadok: 3.5.6 is being released officially next week |
| 02:59.50 | Renze | shadok: gentoo is just preparing in advance |
| 03:00.10 | shadok | ah yeah i remeber the kde 3.5.5 switch |
| 03:00.21 | shadok | ebuilds are here but not the files :) |
| 03:00.31 | Renze | and they're hardmasked until release |
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| 03:01.02 | shadok | ok :) |
| 03:01.25 | Renze | シ |
| 03:01.52 | edwardocallaghan | Thanks |
| 03:02.09 | edwardocallaghan | I want to build it on the SunOS kernel |
| 03:02.24 | Renze | ah, for slowaris ;) |
| 03:02.30 | shadok | Renze: it feels very geek to use this symbol :) |
| 03:02.49 | edwardocallaghan | Solaris is very quick here ? |
| 03:03.02 | shadok | i never approached solaris |
| 03:03.07 | Renze | edwardocallaghan: it's a nickname that goes back to when it wasn't :) |
| 03:03.58 | edwardocallaghan | Have you guys tried http://www.gnusolaris.org/ ? |
| 03:04.08 | Renze | nope, I'm more than happy with gentoo |
| 03:04.42 | edwardocallaghan | I like to review everything before I install it |
| 03:04.53 | shadok | same thing here, gentoo to death :) |
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| 03:05.05 | Renze | I researched gentoo extensively before installing |
| 03:06.01 | qupada | heh, i didn't |
| 03:06.12 | qupada | tried it on someone's recommendation |
| 03:06.29 | qupada | then liked it |
| 03:06.44 | edwardocallaghan | Slackware is the one that rocks |
| 03:07.00 | Renze | *cough* |
| 03:07.01 | marktaff | blah. too much compiling for my blood. |
| 03:07.08 | edwardocallaghan | But getting to like SunOS more and more |
| 03:07.16 | edwardocallaghan | ZFS rocks |
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| 03:07.28 | shadok | yep for zfs |
| 03:07.35 | Renze | linux will have zfs soon enough |
| 03:07.39 | edwardocallaghan | Has any one tried it ? |
| 03:07.58 | marktaff | zfs removes the notion of disk, right? |
| 03:08.02 | edwardocallaghan | ZFS is .... :~O good ! |
| 03:08.03 | shadok | no, but i want it :) |
| 03:08.13 | shadok | marktaff: it works by pools |
| 03:08.20 | edwardocallaghan | Pool storage |
| 03:08.22 | edwardocallaghan | Yes |
| 03:08.23 | shadok | you can ad a disk and you immediatly have more space |
| 03:08.32 | Renze | like LVM? |
| 03:08.42 | marktaff | That will be much better than the lvm I'me using now |
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| 03:08.51 | shadok | http://tech.zamwi.com/2007/01/16/why-do-geeks-have-lust-for-zfs/ |
| 03:09.09 | edwardocallaghan | http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/zfs_learning_center.jsp watch the videos |
| 03:09.14 | shadok | snapshots seems great too |
| 03:09.24 | edwardocallaghan | LVM is too chunky |
| 03:10.32 | edwardocallaghan | My fav is dynamic striping |
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| 03:12.36 | marktaff | Dynamic striping + snaphots. yum |
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| 03:16.44 | edwardocallaghan | yes yum install indeed ;) |
| 03:17.09 | edwardocallaghan | Those guys can't do there maths |
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| 03:29.14 | edwardocallaghan | Good night |
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| 04:46.26 | wgw | good evening |
| 04:46.34 | wgw | I'm wondering how I change the start/launch menu logo |
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| 04:46.43 | Renze | ~kmenu |
| 04:46.54 | apt | Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbfx |
| 04:46.56 | wgw | also, what file format and dimensions are required? |
| 04:46.56 | Renze | wgw: see above |
| 04:46.59 | wgw | ahh thanks |
| 04:47.47 | wgw | I'm doing some UI design work for PC BSD, and I'm a n00b when it comes to how to actually implement the changes, but rather than making the developers do it, I'd prefer to do it myself |
| 04:48.58 | wgw | also, is there a good tutorial on creating a window decorations theme? |
| 04:49.46 | Renze | native window decorations are coded in C++ |
| 04:50.54 | wgw | well I guess I'll have to get the developers to implement that part |
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| 04:52.29 | wgw | ha, nice screen name |
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| 04:56.18 | Dr_willis | or use one of those themes that just uses bitmap images.. but i hate those. :) |
| 04:56.48 | wgw | bitmap images are undesirable IMO |
| 04:57.01 | wgw | everything, ideally, should be vectorized |
| 04:57.20 | wgw | and anything that isn't, or that doesn't support it, should be deprecated |
| 04:58.56 | Dr_willis | theres several 'themes' that support bitmaps.. go tell them that. :) i dont really worry about themes much either way |
| 05:01.49 | wgw | well I'm a designer, not a developer, so I tend to pay more attention to them |
| 05:02.26 | wgw | I personally dislike the UI of both KDE and GNOME immensely, and I also really dislike the UI in Windows (which I view as quirky and obsolete), and in Mac OS X |
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| 05:02.36 | wgw | so I'm sort of someone who is really ticked off about user interfaces |
| 05:02.53 | Morbo | What don't you like? |
| 05:02.54 | wgw | I've been using PCs all my life, but never have I been so geniunely annoyed about UIs as I am today |
| 05:03.04 | Dr_willis | So - basicially you dont like any of them. :) |
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| 05:03.35 | wgw | KDE's interface is quirky and wastes vertical real estate, the Mac OS X looks pretty but when you have to do things like move a window to the far left to get it away from the dock to resize it, you quickly start to hate it |
| 05:03.50 | wgw | the Windows UI was good in 1995 but is now painfully obsolete, |
| 05:03.57 | wgw | and the GNOME UI designers are smoking crack IMO |
| 05:04.03 | Dr_willis | Hmm.. it was 'good' but now its bad... :) |
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| 05:04.32 | Dr_willis | What nothing to say about OS-9 ? |
| 05:04.42 | wgw | well IMO there's no consistency to it, and it also has a lot of irritating aspects that should have been fixed years ago but weren't |
| 05:04.57 | wgw | and rather than fixing it, Microsoft is just cloning Apple and reskinning it to make it look cooler |
| 05:05.19 | wgw | I've heard OS 9 was good, I used it a few times and never really liked it that much, although to its credit it does not waste vertical real estate the way OS X does |
| 05:05.26 | Dr_willis | You mean like how XP has a windows95 preview in its custom colors/fonts config tool. :) |
| 05:06.00 | Dr_willis | Try out MatchBox window manager - it wastes very little space. |
| 05:06.06 | wgw | but rather than whining about it, I'm hoping later this year to start work on a replacement I've been thinking about, so in the mean time, I'm contributing to various open source projects that are short of artists |
| 05:06.14 | wgw | in the hopes of meeting developers who will do the coding |
| 05:06.21 | wgw | I'm not even thinking about doing a complete desktop environment |
| 05:06.33 | wgw | rather, my idea is that this new UI would sort of be a mod that could be installed on an existing one |
| 05:06.55 | wgw | probably GNOME, since its UI is more broken than KDE's, and all the really hot distros seem to prefer it at the moment (no offense to KDE at all) |
| 05:07.10 | Renze | really hot distros? |
| 05:07.24 | Dr_willis | Renze, those must be the ones using my XXX icon themes. |
| 05:07.25 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 05:07.25 | wgw | Ubuntu, Fedora/Red Hat, Suse |
| 05:07.31 | Renze | Dr_willis: ah, those ;) |
| 05:07.36 | wgw | Ubuntu in particular |
| 05:07.39 | Renze | those are some of the worst, imo |
| 05:07.41 | Dr_willis | Gnome is easier to throw idiots into. :) |
| 05:07.49 | Dr_willis | using Kubuntu here |
| 05:07.54 | wgw | hey, watch it, I'm a big fan of SLED |
| 05:08.15 | canllaith | but no KDE there :) |
| 05:08.38 | canllaith | I suspect you don't have ~ 350 hosts. |
| 05:08.43 | Dr_willis | Wonder whats going to happen if SUN GPL's open solaris |
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| 05:08.53 | wgw | well, that would be awesome, but it also uses GNOME |
| 05:09.12 | Renze | I thought Solaris used Java Desktop? |
| 05:09.18 | wgw | same thing, literally |
| 05:09.25 | wgw | Java Desktop = GNOME with Sun branding |
| 05:09.26 | Dr_willis | ive never actually been able to figure out what 'suport' actually does. |
| 05:09.32 | wgw | everything is identical, except the theme |
| 05:09.57 | wgw | although for some reason it will render fonts correctly if you disable hinting, whereas that doesn't work with GNOME on Linux |
| 05:10.16 | wgw | oh, IIRC the Java Desktop also comes preloaded with Sun products, that would be the other difference |
| 05:10.40 | wgw | Solaris also uses CDE, but that obviously would not be part of an open sourced edition |
| 05:10.49 | wgw | CDE is so pathetic, its lovable |
| 05:11.20 | canllaith | Although the colour scheme leaves somewhat to be desired |
| 05:11.26 | wgw | I wish they'd open source it |
| 05:11.36 | wgw | well, the color scheme I believe varies depending on the UNIX you're using with it |
| 05:11.53 | wgw | the UI I really miss, believe it or not, is Windows 3.1 |
| 05:11.57 | canllaith | I haven't used it much, and when I have it's been on Solaris. |
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| 05:12.12 | Renze | Windows 3.1 was awful |
| 05:12.13 | wgw | oh, here's a UI that I do like, for some reason: the Palm OS |
| 05:12.20 | wgw | well, I'm nostalgic |
| 05:12.27 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.37 | wgw | the UI made no sense at all but it was the GUI on my first PC |
| 05:12.41 | Dr_willis | wgw, matchBox window manager = about the same look/feel as PalmOS |
| 05:12.44 | wgw | the Palm OS just makes a lot of sense to me |
| 05:12.58 | wgw | well yes, Dr Willis, but I'm not saying I like the Palm OS to the point where I'd run it on a desktop |
| 05:13.01 | Renze | what makes sense to one person may not make sense to another |
| 05:13.16 | wgw | well, hence the beauty of open source |
| 05:13.29 | Renze | and hence why UI design tends to tread the middle ground |
| 05:13.31 | wgw | with closed source software, if you don't like the GUI, you're SOL |
| 05:13.36 | marburg | could anyone tell me how to access message histories in kopete? I can't seem to figure it out and feel really dumb for it :$ |
| 05:13.53 | canllaith | marburg: If you have the plugin enabled you can get to it by right clicking on the contact in the list |
| 05:13.57 | canllaith | You may not have the plugin enabled. |
| 05:14.03 | Renze | marburg: right click on the contact, select View History |
| 05:14.03 | marburg | canllaith: that must be it |
| 05:14.07 | canllaith | There is a bug - it appears to be enabled by default but it's not really |
| 05:14.08 | wgw | well when I do publish the prototype of the design I'm working on, I'll be interested to see the reaction |
| 05:14.17 | marburg | canllaith: thanks, i'll look into it |
| 05:14.18 | canllaith | Untick it in the plugins configuration dialogue and tick it again, then restart kopete |
| 05:14.22 | wgw | the most interesting UI design I've seen in software in recent years was the UI in Sim City 4 |
| 05:14.26 | canllaith | after that you should see it in the right click menu |
| 05:15.05 | wgw | I loved that user interface, it just really fascinated me...most games of that type have terrible UIs, but in Sim City 4 everything is clear, logical and obvious |
| 05:15.13 | marburg | hmm. the only plugin i seem to have installed is for cryptography. so that must be the problem :D |
| 05:16.46 | Dr_willis | SimCity4 - took 'The Sims' interface dident it? |
| 05:16.56 | wgw | also Dr willis, I believe I have Matchbox on this PC BSD system, so I might try it |
| 05:17.00 | wgw | or wait, its Fluxbox |
| 05:17.19 | wgw | well yes and no, it's similiar to the Sims interface, but less bulky, and it wastes less screen real-estate |
| 05:17.25 | Dr_willis | match Box is NOT in any way shape or form - related to Fluxbox/blackbox/openbox |
| 05:17.32 | Dr_willis | its just the 'name' is similer. |
| 05:17.42 | wgw | so whereas in the Sims you have a huge massive chunk of interface across the bottom of the screen, in Sim City 4 there's less of that |
| 05:17.56 | Dr_willis | I always felt Maxis ruined the SimCity game by making it too 'the sims' ish. |
| 05:18.01 | wgw | ahh right, haven't tried it (although I might give it a shot) |
| 05:18.15 | Dr_willis | they have turned into a bit of a 'narrow focused company' :( |
| 05:18.20 | wgw | well SC 4 was pretty rough edged and realistic, it lacked the quirkiness of Sim City 3000 |
| 05:18.32 | wgw | and it brought back a lot of features from Sim City 2000 |
| 05:19.05 | Dr_willis | ive lost track of the SC games.. last one i played ya could import your "The Sims" people.. woopee.. and the game was so.. well easy.. i could just let a city sit over night and it would keep itself going. |
| 05:19.08 | wgw | my gripe with it is that the gameplay model is extremely hard, so that you couldn't build the same kind of luxuriant cities in SC3K |
| 05:19.12 | wgw | without cheating |
| 05:19.38 | wgw | well that was SC 4, but it sounds like a different game from the one I played |
| 05:20.02 | wgw | and yes, you can import your Sims, but you don't have to, its just one tool for seeing whats going on, since they give you direct feedback |
| 05:20.15 | wgw | I really miss Sim City 2000's newspapers |
| 05:20.36 | wgw | that would be a feature I'd like to see return in SC5 |
| 05:21.12 | Dr_willis | I cant keep track.. i dont buy games much any more. all my "SimWhatever" games are now in a single box... somewhere. |
| 05:21.26 | wgw | well the trouble is, game development has really gone to the dogs |
| 05:21.30 | wgw | there is very little innovation |
| 05:21.44 | wgw | whereas in the 1990s, each new title seemed to bring with it a new ida |
| 05:21.45 | wgw | idea |
| 05:21.57 | wgw | now its just endless rehashes |
| 05:21.57 | Dr_willis | latest game i actually Played - was "Darwinia" - worth grabbing if you find it. |
| 05:21.57 | marburg | the fact that each region had its own clock made SC4 insanely easy |
| 05:22.07 | wgw | It's too bad that there is no real open souce game development community that's producing good games as of yet |
| 05:22.08 | Dr_willis | has a Linux port even. |
| 05:22.20 | wgw | hmmm yum |
| 05:22.33 | Dr_willis | i saw it in the bargin bin for $10 :) |
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| 05:22.53 | Dr_willis | its the kind of game - that would make a amuseing screensaver.. just to sit and watch.. |
| 05:23.05 | wgw | I'm enjoying Gal Civ 2, although it's basically a cross between space based turn based strategy games like Star General and Civilizations |
| 05:23.12 | wgw | but it does have the Starship Designer feature, which is a lot of fun |
| 05:23.31 | Dr_willis | I got Gal Civ. but didentbother to buy the 2nd one.. i dont even recall playing the first much. |
| 05:23.40 | wgw | I also really like Locomotion, which is no more than Transport Tycoon with a Roller Coaster Tycoon-style interface |
| 05:23.47 | Dr_willis | perhaps if i find it in the bargin bin. but theres no linux port.. wonder how well wine supports it. |
| 05:23.49 | wgw | and that could well be Chris Sawyer's last game |
| 05:23.58 | wgw | RCT3 does not appeal to me, at alll |
| 05:24.11 | wgw | I wouldn't even try to run it in Linux |
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| 05:25.14 | Dr_willis | Im reminded of the "Dungeon Keeper" as one of the more amuseing sim type games - ive played in the last few years.. |
| 05:25.16 | wgw | at the risk of sounding horribly pessmistic, I don't see how Wine/Cedega/ReactOS can hope to keep up with the moving targets posed by the Windows APIs |
| 05:25.20 | Dr_willis | and 'Startopia" |
| 05:25.37 | wgw | and with the increasing amount of DRM in commercial software, it strikes me as a hopeless exercise in futility |
| 05:25.48 | wgw | what Linux really needs is a good killer app to get people to deploy it on the desktop |
| 05:26.06 | wgw | because once desktop marketshare starts to grow, then we'll get more application developers, and it becomes a virtuous cycle |
| 05:26.10 | Dr_willis | i find the idea of a 'killer app' to be out of touch. :) |
| 05:26.23 | wgw | its axiomatic that the LAMP stack was the killer app that made Linux a hit on servers in the 90s |
| 05:26.31 | wgw | well, the "AMP" portions |
| 05:26.48 | Dr_willis | Killer app = porn. :) |
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| 05:27.50 | wgw | ha |
| 05:28.05 | wgw | woo interesting, was just reading Chris Sawyer's website, I had no idea that roller coaster tycoon was written in assembly |
| 05:29.58 | LiquidNerd_ | What's "Katapult"? |
| 05:30.10 | LiquidNerd_ | I see it every so often appear on my screen for like 2 seconds and then fade out |
| 05:30.28 | Renze | you installed it without knowing what it is?!? |
| 05:31.08 | LiquidNerd_ | OMG! |
| 05:31.10 | LiquidNerd_ | .... |
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| 05:31.17 | LiquidNerd_ | Came with the distro |
| 05:31.24 | LiquidNerd_ | (Kubuntu) |
| 05:31.31 | Renze | ah, that explains it |
| 05:31.42 | LiquidNerd_ | what is it? |
| 05:31.47 | Renze | it's an application launcher on steroids |
| 05:32.21 | LiquidNerd_ | oh? better than the basic run window? |
| 05:32.27 | Renze | different |
| 05:32.59 | LiquidNerd_ | how do I launch it? lol.. from the other run window? |
| 05:33.15 | Renze | it's already running, or you wouldn't see the window pop up |
| 05:33.27 | Renze | try alt+space (default shortcut) |
| 05:33.46 | LiquidNerd_ | it just shows the graphic.. I can't do anything with it |
| 05:33.58 | Renze | you can't type into it? |
| 05:34.05 | LiquidNerd_ | not that I can see |
| 05:34.09 | Renze | try |
| 05:34.13 | LiquidNerd_ | ahhh |
| 05:34.14 | LiquidNerd_ | neat |
| 05:34.35 | LiquidNerd_ | just start typing and it takes it |
| 05:34.59 | LiquidNerd_ | rather simple... the other one gives you much more options... but then again, if it's jsut a simple launch it's all you really need |
| 05:35.43 | Dr_willis | try alt-space then '3+5' |
| 05:36.11 | Renze | LiquidNerd_: it does more... try using it while amarok is running |
| 05:36.34 | Renze | also, try typing in the name of one of your konqueror bookmarks |
| 05:36.39 | LiquidNerd_ | how do I use it with amarok? |
| 05:36.45 | Renze | type the name of a song |
| 05:37.04 | Dr_willis | try typing in XXX |
| 05:37.05 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 05:37.16 | Dr_willis | or p0rn |
| 05:37.35 | LiquidNerd_ | I don't use konqy as my web browser |
| 05:37.51 | Renze | you're missing out |
| 05:38.08 | LiquidNerd_ | heh... I try it from time to time, but I find Firefox is just simpler |
| 05:38.31 | Renze | I find firefox to be slower, eat more memory, and just not render very nicely at all |
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| 05:38.47 | LiquidNerd_ | I agree with that |
| 05:38.51 | hachiya | anyone use basket? i'm wondering how to set background colors on text within a basket |
| 05:39.06 | LiquidNerd_ | I just find that it has better support for more websites |
| 05:39.12 | LiquidNerd_ | though it looks fugly |
| 05:39.29 | Renze | LiquidNerd_: if the website doesn't work in konq, it is the fault of the designer of the site, not konq |
| 05:39.38 | wgw | back sry |
| 05:39.58 | wgw | pr0n, Dr_willis, tsk tsk |
| 05:40.13 | LiquidNerd_ | Renze: agreed... but that's how the internet works.. lol |
| 05:40.23 | LiquidNerd_ | 95% of the internet is designed for IE |
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| 05:40.35 | Renze | I don't visit 95% of the internet |
| 05:40.45 | wgw | I'd be suprised if I visited 1% |
| 05:40.49 | Renze | 95% of the internet is a waste of time |
| 05:40.50 | Dr_willis | 95% of the internet is designed for Porn. |
| 05:40.51 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 05:40.55 | LiquidNerd_ | lol |
| 05:40.58 | wgw | my internet consists of Slashdot and the Wall Street Journal :-P |
| 05:41.09 | Dr_willis | "Porn - the reason Al Gore Invented the internet... for Bill Clinton" |
| 05:41.15 | wgw | haha |
| 05:41.43 | LiquidNerd_ | I'm reminded of the broadway song "The Internet is for Porn" |
| 05:42.01 | wgw | please tell me that's not a broadway song |
| 05:42.20 | wgw | dang stupid VMWare Server console and obsolete VMWare TOols |
| 05:42.31 | wgw | my cursor is supposed to move seamlessly from this window to the host OS |
| 05:43.12 | wgw | I'm sorry if I'm in a bad mood, I spent four hours at the dentist this morning, and endured a root canal, two crown temporizations, and fillings on four front teeth |
| 05:43.20 | wgw | and consequently am rather .... agitated |
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| 05:45.01 | simplton | Anyone here have success with getting NetworkManager to save the WEP key in KDE's wallet? |
| 05:45.03 | LiquidNerd_ | I do that to freak people out |
| 05:45.04 | Dr_willis | wgw, take a bottle of whisky... pour in the pain pills.. :) |
| 05:45.33 | wgw | alas, I don't drink (at all), but I did take two ibuprofen+two bufferin and it hasn't done doodly |
| 05:46.00 | wgw | my dentist gave me four ibuprofen which actually worked, but I'm afraid to take that many |
| 05:46.12 | Dr_willis | What no Happy Pills! |
| 05:46.24 | wgw | and then after my dentist was through he wanted me to stay and talk with him about Linux for 15 minutes |
| 05:46.26 | wgw | which I did |
| 05:46.51 | wgw | I'm going to take my laptop up there and demo it for him on Monday I think |
| 05:46.58 | Fenix-Dark | i had a root canal when i was 13 |
| 05:47.06 | Fenix-Dark | dentist lied and called it a "deep cleaning" |
| 05:47.10 | wgw | he has this idiot IT guy who's wasting a huge amount of his money on homebuilt systems running various versions of Windows |
| 05:47.27 | Dr_willis | I had my wisdom teeth out when i was 29 |
| 05:47.32 | wgw | my dentist never lies, in fact, he actually scares the heck out of me by talking in explicit detail about what he's doing |
| 05:47.46 | wgw | "Oh gosh dang it Adriana, I just broke off that lingual" |
| 05:47.57 | wgw | (Adriana=his dental assistant) |
| 05:48.05 | Fenix-Dark | my dentist wears glasses that are shiny enough where i can look at them and see what he's doing |
| 05:48.09 | Fenix-Dark | well... a mirror image of it |
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| 05:48.39 | wgw | "Ohhh gosh Adriana that <insert instrument X> just broke off in there and I don't know how in the world I'm going to get it out" |
| 05:48.54 | wgw | it can be terrifying, although the flipside is, as dentists go, I don't know of any who is gentler |
| 05:49.05 | wgw | so the actual level of pain is virtually non existant |
| 05:49.12 | wgw | he can actually make a root canal feel -good- |
| 05:49.30 | wgw | when he first did one on me I was like "ahhhhh" |
| 05:49.40 | wgw | I wanted him to do all my teeth |
| 05:49.46 | wgw | ROFL |
| 05:49.51 | Dr_willis | or a SICK LITTLE PUPPY! |
| 05:49.53 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 05:50.12 | Renze | maybe those meds are finally kicking in |
| 05:50.18 | Dr_willis | 'Dirty boy!" |
| 05:50.19 | wgw | haha |
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| 05:50.46 | wgw | it didn't feel that good |
| 05:50.54 | wgw | HAHAHA |
| 05:50.57 | Dr_willis | Renze, one of the top 10 movies of all time. :) |
| 05:51.08 | Dr_willis | Definatly one of the top 10 Musicals. :) |
| 05:52.02 | wgw | I am not masochistic (if I were, I would have enjoyed the experience of going to the periodontist for a crown lengthening) |
| 05:52.17 | wgw | I actually used to manage my dentists practice |
| 05:52.55 | wgw | but I left mid year last year to focus on running my branding consultancy full time |
| 05:52.57 | wgw | it was fun though |
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| 05:53.09 | wgw | Dental Economics became one of my favorite magazines |
| 05:55.22 | LiquidNerd_ | is there a way to make new toolbars in konqy? |
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| 06:05.47 | wolsni | the screensaver configuration in KControl doesn't show all of the screensavers that show up in xscreensaver-demo |
| 06:06.03 | wolsni | any way to rescan or something? |
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| 06:08.29 | LiquidNerd_ | THat's two things I didn't like about Konqy as a web browser.. the home button and the toolbars |
| 06:09.06 | ejm | woah..my hand's turning purple from the blood being cutt off. |
| 06:09.27 | Renze | ejm: cut back on the pr0n |
| 06:09.48 | ejm | lol |
| 06:10.17 | ejm | I have a laptop where the AC cord has to stay in a certain position or it starts going crazy |
| 06:10.28 | Renze | blu tac |
| 06:10.45 | ejm | needless to say, I'm in a very aqward position. |
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| 06:14.54 | ejm | try krusader |
| 06:14.59 | ejm | for files |
| 06:15.07 | ejm | and I'm not sure for a web browser |
| 06:15.13 | Shirakawasuna | ejm: no warranty on the laptop? |
| 06:15.22 | LiquidNerd_ | krusader eh? |
| 06:15.24 | ejm | I think it's expired. |
| 06:15.33 | ejm | I've never used krusader before. |
| 06:15.42 | Shirakawasuna | ejm: There's a chance it's the cord, there's a chance it's the connector that's hooked to the mobo |
| 06:15.53 | ejm | sort of like a kde version of midnight commander. |
| 06:15.54 | LiquidNerd_ | I'll look into it.. I don't like Konqy as a web browser.. it doesn't seperate the file browser and web browser enough |
| 06:15.59 | Shirakawasuna | ejm: let's hope it's the connector, because propping it up like that is bad for the mobo ;) |
| 06:16.04 | ejm | yeah |
| 06:16.09 | Shirakawasuna | ejm: the cord, that is, let's hope it's that |
| 06:16.12 | ejm | I have it on top of a book. |
| 06:16.30 | Shirakawasuna | well, if it dies I highly recommend the dell 1300...if they still sell it :) |
| 06:16.36 | ejm | ibm |
| 06:16.45 | LiquidNerd_ | Like.. Why would I want a bookmark toolbar for browsing my filesystem? but you can't have it on for one without it being on for all... same with toolbar icon size... annoying.. |
| 06:16.46 | Shirakawasuna | this thing is rock solid linux-wise and design-wise |
| 06:17.00 | Shirakawasuna | only downside is the wireless needs ndiswrapper, but I can't complain |
| 06:17.08 | ejm | I worked for dell. |
| 06:17.19 | ejm | horrible servers. |
| 06:20.11 | Shirakawasuna | ejm: I'll bet :) |
| 06:20.17 | Shirakawasuna | ejm: I think I got pretty lucky w/ this laptop |
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| 06:21.00 | Shirakawasuna | konqy is pretty nifty :). I wish it was a little more customizable , as in being able to create an entirely new toolbar without sacrificing one of the defaults |
| 06:21.14 | LiquidNerd_ | Shirakawasuna: agreed |
| 06:21.14 | Shirakawasuna | but that's a pretty minor thing |
| 06:21.30 | LiquidNerd_ | and having a seperate home button for web and file... |
| 06:21.36 | Shirakawasuna | it's way faster than other browsers I've used |
| 06:21.40 | Shirakawasuna | ah, that too |
| 06:21.43 | LiquidNerd_ | and being able to have different toolbars on for web and file.. |
| 06:21.54 | LiquidNerd_ | and different icon sizes |
| 06:21.54 | LiquidNerd_ | lol |
| 06:21.55 | Shirakawasuna | it already has that *kind of* |
| 06:22.03 | Shirakawasuna | the different web/file toolbars |
| 06:22.24 | Shirakawasuna | not quite as extensive as I'd prefer - if konqi had all of that it'd be perfect, and I mean perfect! |
| 06:22.33 | LiquidNerd_ | agreed |
| 06:22.42 | LiquidNerd_ | It's like 30 times faster than firefox |
| 06:22.45 | LiquidNerd_ | and much prettier |
| 06:23.37 | Shirakawasuna | and more powerful - web shortcuts are pretty nifty |
| 06:24.05 | LiquidNerd_ | yeah |
| 06:24.14 | LiquidNerd_ | I like the gg: thing |
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| 06:28.05 | shadok | strigi is really a cool app |
| 06:28.20 | shadok | and its integration is good too |
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| 06:37.27 | marktaff | LiquidNerd_: gg: equiv. in firefox is 'google' |
| 06:37.49 | Renze | shadok: which backend did you choose for strigi? |
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| 06:38.57 | shadok | clucene but i didn't tied the others |
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| 06:39.09 | shadok | http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4092/screenshot7ce9.png & http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9761/screenshot6nh8.png |
| 06:39.53 | P-Luc_Auclair | is there a way to do a button for Konqueror to add a given website as a search engine? |
| 06:40.36 | shadok | *tried |
| 06:41.13 | marktaff | what website? many are already available as shorcuts like gg: |
| 06:41.32 | P-Luc_Auclair | no, say I'd like a "Add this website to your search engine list" |
| 06:41.45 | P-Luc_Auclair | some kind of ecma action from the website |
| 06:41.54 | P-Luc_Auclair | that would automatically add an entrt |
| 06:41.58 | P-Luc_Auclair | *entry |
| 06:42.16 | marktaff | the strigi IO slave URI scheme needs to be changed to remove all the crap other than the regex, like "strigi: *d*\.pdf" |
| 06:43.22 | marktaff | P-Luc_Auclair: Don't know about that. I never use it. I always search from the location bar |
| 06:46.35 | marktaff | P-Luc_Auclair: call me crazy, but I don't like the notion of allowing a webpage to add/remove/edit search engines and such from my browser |
| 06:46.52 | shadok | marktaff: hehe i'm not used to regexp and i like this type of masking, even it is simple and easy for everyone to understand yet not powerful at all |
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| 06:47.22 | dma147 | good morning... ;) |
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| 06:47.39 | Renze | morning? it's 7:46pm! ;) |
| 06:48.03 | P-Luc_Auclair | marktaff, such thing can be enforced as needing some confirmation, I wouldn't mind |
| 06:48.07 | dma147 | harhar... here it's 7:47am |
| 06:48.10 | dma147 | ;) |
| 06:48.15 | dma147 | Renze: germany |
| 06:48.19 | P-Luc_Auclair | firefox already offers it from the search bar |
| 06:48.20 | Renze | dma147: New Zealand |
| 06:48.33 | marktaff | shadok: my point was with the location bar in the screenie looking like a URI, when I think it should look more like a regular ioslave, like in the strigi kpart itself, thats all |
| 06:49.27 | shadok | marktaff: ah ok, you're right the adress bar is messy :) |
| 06:50.11 | marktaff | P-Luc_Auclair: sure, but then we also have to protect against a DOS by incessant confirmation requests. I just don't see the value in permitting websites make those changes.... |
| 06:50.15 | Shirakawasuna | what kind of compositing support does kicker have? |
| 06:50.27 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: none whatsoever |
| 06:50.31 | Shirakawasuna | I'm using beryl and just noticed it's turned on for kicker - perhaps I'd get better performance w/ it turned off? |
| 06:50.33 | dma147 | anybody an idea which (mini-)program this is?? I mean the four buttons in the kicker (Media, Krusader, Inet, Office) on the screenshots... --> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=51706 |
| 06:50.45 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: it has an xcomposite useflag... |
| 06:50.59 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: yes, but it doesn't use it |
| 06:51.08 | marktaff | P-Luc_Auclair: it reminds me about media apps in windows always trying to steal file associations :-( |
| 06:51.14 | Shirakawasuna | that's weird |
| 06:51.22 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: should I file a bug or...? |
| 06:51.24 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: the only transparency kicker does is fake |
| 06:51.26 | P-Luc_Auclair | marktaff, no, nothing that invasive |
| 06:51.31 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: bug for what? |
| 06:51.48 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: for no compositing code existing in kicker? |
| 06:52.04 | Shirakawasuna | no, for it having an xcomposite useflag if it doesn't use it |
| 06:52.13 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: does it really matter? |
| 06:52.17 | P-Luc_Auclair | something like a addKonqSearch with a string attached to it |
| 06:52.58 | P-Luc_Auclair | it's not that much of a deal to add it if you know how, but the average user will have a hard time |
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| 06:53.10 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: read the ebuild and see if the use flag is used for anything, just in case |
| 06:53.12 | marktaff | dma147: the four buttins are the pager applet |
| 06:53.16 | P-Luc_Auclair | would make it much more accessible |
| 06:53.18 | marktaff | *buttons |
| 06:54.35 | dma147 | marktaff: uhh... are you sure? |
| 06:54.36 | shadok | a workaround for transparency in kicker is to use beryl/compiz and alt + wheeling on it |
| 06:54.46 | marktaff | dma147: yes |
| 06:54.57 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: hrm, perhaps it has experimental support |
| 06:55.07 | marktaff | dma147: explore the option of the pager applet |
| 06:55.10 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: either way I don't see how it could help Beryl, so I'm turning it off |
| 06:55.17 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: kicker will not exist in kde4, so experimental for what? ;) |
| 06:55.38 | marktaff | dma147: try naming your desktops instaed of usinf the default numbers |
| 06:55.44 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: no idea ;) |
| 06:55.52 | dma147 | marktaff: hmmm.... do you know a miniprogram which provides such buttons for starting programs? |
| 06:55.58 | dma147 | marktaff: ahh, yeah that can be |
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| 06:56.16 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: it seems to have something for telling it to simply enable composite when compiling |
| 06:56.22 | marktaff | you can add any icon to kicker that you want for any application |
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| 06:57.03 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: maybe there are some applets that use it? |
| 06:57.09 | dma147 | marktaff: hmm, okay, thanks... I'll try to create own icons... |
| 06:57.12 | marktaff | if you want it to look like a rectangualr box, just create a gey rectangular png for the icon |
| 06:58.29 | dma147 | marktaff: I know that I can add any icon or any application to the kicker, but I didn't know how to do that in two lines... |
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| 06:59.32 | marktaff | dma147: not sure kicker will let you have two lines in one panel. You can have two panels, one on top of the other, to simulate two rows... |
| 06:59.55 | dma147 | uhhh... no, that isn't what I want... ;) |
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| 07:00.10 | Renze | quick launcher applet? |
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| 07:00.35 | dma147 | Renze: one sec. |
| 07:01.32 | dma147 | Renze: oh, that looks good... thanks... I'll try that. ;) |
| 07:01.41 | Renze | no problem |
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| 07:03.21 | shadok | Renze: is there already a name for the sucessor of kicker ? |
| 07:03.27 | Renze | plasma |
| 07:03.41 | shadok | erf, i tought that was the whole desktop :p |
| 07:03.44 | shadok | thx |
| 07:03.58 | Renze | plasma is a replacement for kicker, kdesktop, and superkaramba |
| 07:04.12 | shadok | ok |
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| 07:09.43 | shadok | make sure you only allow a few filetypes, i got an index of 8.7Go last night ^^ |
| 07:10.11 | Renze | I'll run out of harddrive space before then |
| 07:10.21 | Renze | I'm only indexing my home |
| 07:10.30 | P-Luc_Auclair | marktaff, or maybe Konqueror could use the firefox <search> tag |
| 07:10.44 | shadok | that should not be too big so :) |
| 07:10.59 | benJIman | P-Luc_Auclair: what search tag? |
| 07:11.08 | Renze | 34MB so far |
| 07:11.43 | shadok | i get 150MB for all my music/pdf/images/movies files |
| 07:12.00 | P-Luc_Auclair | benJIman http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/09/learn-to-create-firefox-search-plugin.html |
| 07:12.18 | benJIman | P-Luc_Auclair: you can add search engines trivially in the konqueror configuration dialogue |
| 07:12.43 | benJIman | and you don't need to use that method now P-Luc_Auclair |
| 07:12.51 | Renze | CPU up to 58°C |
| 07:12.58 | benJIman | with IE7 and firefox2 you can have your site advertise search engines available |
| 07:13.19 | P-Luc_Auclair | or http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Creating_MozSearch_plugins |
| 07:13.40 | P-Luc_Auclair | benJIman, yes... if you add it by hand |
| 07:13.47 | benJIman | P-Luc_Auclair: there's no need to do that now, just use the A9 search advertising |
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| 07:15.16 | P-Luc_Auclair | benJIman, I'm not familiar to A9, how does it work? |
| 07:15.52 | benJIman | http://opensearch.a9.com/ |
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| 07:16.06 | benJIman | You add an opensearchdescription to your site and firefox and IE7 will pick up on it |
| 07:17.06 | benJIman | P-Luc_Auclair: http://opensearch.a9.com/spec/opensearchdescription/1.0/ |
| 07:18.52 | shadok | Renze: ah, beware the many process strigi opens while indexing, they all appears as defunct and they can top your max process limit, if it happens, just stop the deamon and restart it |
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| 07:19.14 | P-Luc_Auclair | benJIman, thanks, looks interesting |
| 07:19.27 | Renze | shadok: I only have one strigidaemon process |
| 07:20.00 | benJIman | P-Luc_Auclair: hopefully konqueror will spport it soon |
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| 07:20.27 | shadok | you must not have pdf files, the process is pdftotext |
| 07:20.43 | Renze | shadok: I have lots of pdf files |
| 07:21.00 | Renze | ah, I have lots of those |
| 07:21.08 | shadok | :) |
| 07:21.26 | Renze | kill strigidaemon and restart? |
| 07:21.31 | shadok | yep |
| 07:21.49 | P-Luc_Auclair | benJIman, not sure I like Amazon doing it in partnership with MS tho ;) |
| 07:21.55 | P-Luc_Auclair | (in this example) |
| 07:22.26 | shadok | i scratched my head yesterday, i was getting a message "kde can't launch <anything>", until i saw the output of ps aux |
| 07:22.29 | benJIman | Ohes noes, two companies cooperating on open standards |
| 07:23.04 | P-Luc_Auclair | that's not it |
| 07:24.15 | P-Luc_Auclair | I just don't really like that all this data will be collected and sold for marketing purposes (and it's probably the reason they join in) |
| 07:24.38 | P-Luc_Auclair | sure you can't blame them for this... |
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| 07:26.04 | benJIman | you having an xml descriptor on your site doesn't give them any data |
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| 07:28.30 | P-Luc_Auclair | indeed, I had misunderstood something |
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| 08:21.13 | firepol | Hi there, I downloaded and installed (./configure && make && make install) http://code.google.com/p/bookmarkbar/ for konqueror on gentoo. my question is: does somebody know now how to "activate" and use it? |
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| 08:25.33 | Renze | firepol: konqueror already comes with a del.icio.us sidebar, right click the button bar of the sidebar and add it |
| 08:27.05 | firepol | Renze, I clicked add, but it isn't added. I tried to add something else and it worked, but not for the del.icio.us sidebar |
| 08:27.29 | Renze | weird... it works here, even though I don't use it |
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| 08:45.39 | PeterFA | I know about kde-look.org, but I was wondering if someone just so happened to know of a really linuxy looking skin for KDE. I want something that has that look and feel like Slack. |
| 08:46.06 | PeterFA | That is, instead of having to dig through all five million themes. |
| 08:46.09 | PeterFA | And by skin I mean theme. |
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| 08:49.16 | Renze | I have absolutely no idea what Slack looks like |
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| 09:02.14 | thiago | PeterFA: Plastik |
| 09:02.27 | thiago | Slackware uses pristine sources, so they use the default theme: Plastik |
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| 09:22.16 | PeterFA | thiago, thanks. |
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| 09:40.30 | Daverocks | hey, i can't clear cookies in konqueror because when i select the "Cookies" option when configuring, it says "unable to start cookie handler service" and tells me i won't be able to manage cookies |
| 09:40.47 | Daverocks | is there a way to get the cookie handler service or to clear the cookies manually? |
| 09:45.40 | Daverocks | brb. |
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| 09:52.09 | Daverocks | the problem is almost certainly related to the recent upgrade of kdelibs3 i did |
| 09:52.27 | Daverocks | brb again ;) |
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| 10:09.08 | skywa1k3r | hi... i need some help with Konsole in kde 3.5.3 on Fedora Core 5.. after a while, a current konsole window simply stops accepting keyboard input. mouse input works, the running programs go on fine, and i can access the menu.. just can't type anything :( if i open a new konsole from menu keyboard works on that |
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| 10:11.29 | skywa1k3r | *sorry if i do session -> new window it doesn't work.. if i open konsole from the kde apps menu the keyboard works |
| 10:15.18 | skywa1k3r | and mouse input is still being accepted, i can copy something from another window and middle button pastes the text into the window as usual |
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| 10:17.10 | Daverocks | hi, after officially upgrading kde in suse 10.2, kded isn't running, which makes a lot of things broken |
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| 10:19.28 | annma | try a new user |
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| 10:21.32 | Daverocks | ok, brb |
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| 10:24.04 | Daverocks | didn't help. |
| 10:24.32 | Daverocks | if i run kded manually after startup, it's running, but in "KDE components" i see the load on demand services aren't running, but there's no option to run them |
| 10:25.05 | Daverocks | s/run/start/ |
| 10:25.14 | Daverocks | (the last "run") |
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| 10:27.35 | Daverocks | ok, i run kded, i start the media manager service, then i do "media:/", tells me the mediamanager isn't running, i check again and kded is dead |
| 10:28.18 | Daverocks | in fact, when i open konqueror, kded dies |
| 10:30.13 | Daverocks | how does kded usually start when you start kde? |
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| 10:39.59 | Daverocks | i'm getting this message whenever i run konqueror "kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed." |
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| 10:40.22 | Daverocks | how do i stop kded from crashing? |
| 10:40.49 | Daverocks | it's running before i open konqueror, but then it crashes. |
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| 10:41.55 | thiago | find out what is causing the crash first |
| 10:42.31 | Daverocks | that's what i usually would do, but i don't know how in this situation |
| 10:42.41 | thiago | get the backtrace |
| 10:42.55 | Daverocks | and how shall i do that? |
| 10:42.58 | Daverocks | strace kded? |
| 10:44.32 | Daverocks | that doesn't seem to help because kded detaches |
| 10:45.23 | Daverocks | ok, i'll use gdb |
| 10:46.44 | thiago | attach gdb to it |
| 10:47.10 | Daverocks | hm, using gdb the normal way doesn't seem to work, how do i attach gdb to the detached kded? |
| 10:48.56 | thiago | gdb -pid `pidof kded` |
| 10:49.03 | Daverocks | tyvm |
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| 10:50.58 | Daverocks | i can't crash kded while gdb is attached to it, when i try to start konqueror which usually crashes kded, konqueror doesn't start |
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| 10:51.31 | thiago | make sure you "continue" the program after attaching |
| 10:51.31 | Daverocks | but i got some more helpful information when i detached gdb, konqueror immediately started and kded crashed, but gave me more information |
| 10:51.46 | thiago | type bt and paste the backtrace to a pastebin |
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| 10:52.28 | Daverocks | i "continued" about 3 times, then it said "0xb7f8a410 in ??" and i could do a bt, but kded was still running |
| 10:52.32 | Daverocks | it hadn't crashed |
| 10:52.39 | Daverocks | but i found the source of the crashing anyway |
| 10:52.57 | Daverocks | "Last DCOP call before KDED crash was from application 'konqueror-26840' to object 'favicons', function 'iconForURL(KURL)'." |
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| 10:53.13 | Daverocks | that helps because i _know_ the favicon part of kded isn't running |
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| 10:53.46 | tuxick | i'm still trying to find out why i have lots of icons missing |
| 10:53.49 | chaoflow | konqueror takes (compared to other browsers) a long time to render most wikipedia pages, and when I am logged into a plone 2.5 page, after a short time, this konqueror window gets amazingly slow, and X is eating my cpu time. Anybody a suggestion where I could start digging? |
| 10:53.50 | thiago | so it probably tried to load and crashed |
| 10:54.21 | chaoflow | should have added, linux 2.6.19, ppc, konqueror 3.5.5, glibc 2.4 |
| 10:54.26 | Daverocks | when kded starts up with kde, it starts all those "services on-demand" including the favicon services, but since kde doesn't seem to be starting kded on startup, i had to run it manually, and the on-demand services are stopped, but i can't start them |
| 10:54.49 | Daverocks | if i go to kcontrol -> KDE components -> service manager, i can only start and stop the startup services |
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| 11:04.17 | Daverocks | ok, i got kded to segfault by opening konqueror |
| 11:04.38 | Daverocks | but gdb won't give me a backtrace, it says "Cannot fetch general-purpose registers for thread -1231390016: generic error" |
| 11:09.27 | Daverocks | ok, i got a backtrace, and it crashes when trying to call the FavIcon functions |
| 11:09.56 | Daverocks | also indicates that the problem arises from the favicon service not being started, which i _can't_ start from kcontrol |
| 11:10.23 | Daverocks | not that it doesn't let me, but there's no option to |
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| 11:19.18 | MinceR | annma: do we really need to know? :> |
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| 11:32.59 | marv | hi, do you guys know a kde applet for debian sarge, which tells me if there are updates available? adept is not available in sarge. and backporting will not be so easy. |
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| 11:46.14 | WebDragon | http://www.webdragon.net/test.htm <-- konqueror bug |
| 11:46.27 | WebDragon | is this a known issue? |
| 11:47.15 | WebDragon | >$ konqueror --version |xargs |
| 11:47.15 | WebDragon | Qt: 3.3.7 KDE: 3.5.5-0.2.fc5 Fedora-Core Konqueror: 3.5.5-0.2.fc5 Fedore Core |
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| 11:54.59 | thiago | WebDragon: explain the issue |
| 11:55.01 | thiago | I can't see anything |
| 11:55.22 | WebDragon | reload it again |
| 11:55.38 | WebDragon | do you have stylesheets diabled, or images disabled ? |
| 11:56.15 | WebDragon | thiago: brb, grabbing a quick smoke |
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| 12:01.09 | WebDragon | back |
| 12:01.27 | spawn57 | thiago, i just saw his page, the rows in the tables repeat the same background when they're not supposed to |
| 12:01.58 | WebDragon | technically the cells in the row repeat the background |
| 12:02.19 | WebDragon | the background should span all three cells instead of repeating for each cell |
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| 12:08.09 | WebDragon | so is this a known issue? |
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| 12:13.14 | thiago | WebDragon: nothing is disabled |
| 12:13.20 | thiago | WebDragon: what am I supposed to see? |
| 12:13.30 | thiago | there is no background |
| 12:13.47 | WebDragon | the background is in the three table rows with td's in them |
| 12:14.15 | WebDragon | http://www.webdragon.net/msietest.jpg <-- this is how it looks in MSIE6 and Konqueror |
| 12:14.21 | annma | WebDragon: what bug would it be then? |
| 12:14.25 | WebDragon | and which is incorrect behaviour |
| 12:14.27 | annma | you did the test case |
| 12:14.38 | annma | what is the cause? |
| 12:14.56 | WebDragon | specifically I don't know, but IE exhibits the same problem |
| 12:15.23 | WebDragon | Opera and Firefox both display the table row background correctly |
| 12:15.23 | annma | you did the test and you don't know? |
| 12:15.25 | WebDragon | I know there's a problem but not what the cause is |
| 12:15.30 | annma | is it html? |
| 12:15.37 | WebDragon | html+css |
| 12:15.38 | annma | where did you get the code from then? |
| 12:15.49 | thiago | WebDragon: now I see it |
| 12:16.01 | thiago | WebDragon: I'm not sure which is the correct behaviour |
| 12:16.07 | WebDragon | wrote it up as a test case to show someone how to do it and then found out IE wouldn't do it properly and so I tested it in other browsers and discovered konq fell down too |
| 12:16.25 | WebDragon | the correct behaviour is how opera 9 and ff 1.5.09 handle it |
| 12:16.37 | thiago | how do you know that's the correct behaviour? |
| 12:16.54 | WebDragon | the row has a background assigned to it, not the table cells.. repeating the bg in table cells that do not have a background assigned to them is incorrect |
| 12:17.02 | WebDragon | q.e.d. |
| 12:17.31 | WebDragon | takes only minimal logic to parse that out |
| 12:17.32 | annma | try to narrow the test case |
| 12:17.42 | WebDragon | this is about as narrow as it gets |
| 12:17.57 | annma | is it css or html in cause? |
| 12:18.22 | thiago | can you confirm the problem in a w3c test? |
| 12:18.29 | WebDragon | it validates cleanly |
| 12:18.31 | thiago | I am not sure you have the correct interpretation |
| 12:18.43 | thiago | 50% of the browsers you tested show it one way, 50% the other way |
| 12:18.50 | WebDragon | I develop web for a living, I'm pretty sure this is not correct behaviour |
| 12:19.14 | thiago | is your page validating in XHTML? |
| 12:19.28 | WebDragon | if I assign a background for a table ROW I don't expect each CELL in the row to repeat the background, expecially when I have explicitly stated "no-repeat" in the declaration |
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| 12:19.37 | WebDragon | validates in HTML 4.01 Strict |
| 12:19.48 | WebDragon | I avoid xhtml since MSIE 6 nor 7 support it |
| 12:19.51 | Daverocks | that was incredibly weird, i just rebooted a couple of times and it completely solved my kded problem |
| 12:19.57 | WebDragon | since neither* |
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| 12:20.07 | Daverocks | oh well, i like when things are automagically fixed ^_^ |
| 12:20.23 | thiago | WebDragon: well, the Konqueror interpretation is that the background is per cell |
| 12:20.27 | WebDragon | _ZofBot (www.webdragon.net/test.htm) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/2rp4bb ) CSS: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/38twdr ) DOCTYPE: HTML 4.01 Strict + url |
| 12:20.29 | thiago | so it won't repeat the background inside a cell |
| 12:20.44 | thiago | but it's allowed to start over in another cell |
| 12:20.51 | WebDragon | the background is explicitly assigned to the table row, not to the table cells |
| 12:20.55 | thiago | I know |
| 12:21.01 | WebDragon | therefore it should not repeat |
| 12:21.05 | thiago | but the Konqueror sees no concept in row background |
| 12:21.17 | WebDragon | zebra-striping |
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| 12:21.34 | WebDragon | alternating row backgrounds to make tables easier to follow for large tables |
| 12:21.35 | thiago | now, like I said, I have no idea if this is what the CSS is supposed to mean or not |
| 12:21.39 | WebDragon | it is. |
| 12:21.48 | thiago | is it written in the CSS spec? |
| 12:21.58 | WebDragon | but feel free to ask in #web and #css if you don't take my word for it |
| 12:22.19 | thiago | I'm just saying that I don't have the qualifications to judge this |
| 12:22.21 | thiago | it may be a bug |
| 12:22.25 | WebDragon | it is. |
| 12:22.26 | thiago | it may also be the intended behaviour |
| 12:22.29 | WebDragon | doubtful |
| 12:22.36 | thiago | then send a patch or file a bug report |
| 12:22.51 | WebDragon | happy to file a bug report provided it is not already a known issue |
| 12:22.57 | thiago | I don't know about it |
| 12:23.00 | WebDragon | which is why I'm inquiring :) |
| 12:23.05 | thiago | it doesn't mean others may not... |
| 12:23.07 | thiago | ask in #khtml |
| 12:23.08 | WebDragon | indeed |
| 12:23.14 | WebDragon | will do. thanks. |
| 12:24.08 | annma | if you file a bug attach the code to it please |
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| 12:24.43 | annma | so that the source will stay |
| 12:24.57 | WebDragon | absolutely |
| 12:25.08 | annma | thanks |
| 12:25.12 | WebDragon | np :) |
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| 12:29.55 | zorglu_ | q. i use a kde apps (i.e. konqueror) thru a ssh with X forwarding, and i got "DCOP Cleaning up dead connections." dumps on the console a while after closing konqueror, what does this mean ?i dunno if it is related but when i use kate thru ssh with X forwarding, the ssh take a long time before closing, way more that if i didnt use kate in this ssh session |
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| 12:31.12 | Daverocks | zorglu_: i think that's because the X forwarding somehow stops the KDE apps from interacting with their local DCOP server |
| 12:31.56 | zorglu_ | Daverocks: hmm ok, any hint on how to fix it ? is it even possible ? :) or should i live with it ? |
| 12:32.41 | Daverocks | zorglu_: i'm not into huge details on DCOP servers, so I'm kind of at a loss |
| 12:32.49 | Daverocks | zorglu_: there's probably a way, definitely |
| 12:33.18 | zorglu_ | ok, thanks for your answer :) |
| 12:33.31 | Daverocks | np |
| 12:33.42 | Daverocks | hopefully someone else could answer ;) |
| 12:35.13 | zorglu_ | yep, i will reask later :) |
| 12:35.23 | Daverocks | kk |
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| 12:47.46 | rabby | what's wrong with my .dmrc? chmod 644 and chown for the user |
| 12:48.09 | Daverocks | rabby: what's the problem? |
| 12:48.48 | rabby | after logging at xdm it tells me the permissions were set wrongly. |
| 12:49.03 | rabby | but i checked it again, and it is 644 and user owns the .dmrc |
| 12:50.03 | Daverocks | hm. |
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| 12:51.04 | Daverocks | rabby: i don't know how much support you'll get for xdm in #kde |
| 12:51.45 | rabby | i do not know if whether it is a problem of kde or xdm..? |
| 12:52.41 | rabby | can You please compare Your ~/.dmrc to my one? |
| 12:52.41 | rabby | -rw-r--r-- 1 rabby users 26 18. Jan 13:51 rabby/.dmrc |
| 12:53.19 | Daverocks | -rw------- 1 david users 26 2007-01-18 23:14 .dmrc |
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| 12:53.27 | Daverocks | so try setting it 600 |
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| 12:54.03 | rabby | why does the err message tell me 644? strange... i will try |
| 12:54.30 | rabby | brb |
| 12:54.50 | VSpike | Does anyone know why kscreensaver will not kick in for me? |
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| 12:55.14 | rabby | thank You! it works |
| 12:55.18 | VSpike | It worked with the vesa xorg driver, but it will not work with fglrx |
| 12:55.25 | Daverocks | rabby: you're welcome, lol |
| 12:55.25 | VSpike | xscreensaver works fine |
| 12:55.34 | rabby | anyone has to correct the error message, i think. |
| 12:55.44 | Daverocks | rabby: you can ;) |
| 12:55.56 | Daverocks | VSpike: xscreensaver when it loads 3D screensavers on fglrx works? |
| 12:55.57 | rabby | only on my tux |
| 12:56.39 | VSpike | Daverocks: Yes, although it seems buggy. They hog CPU, run slow and often lock up and need to be killed from console, especially when switching user sessions |
| 12:56.58 | Daverocks | VSpike: hm, glxgears runs ok? or not? |
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| 12:56.59 | VSpike | Mind you I get the impression that switching user sessions is buggy with fglrx anyway |
| 12:57.19 | Daverocks | i'm not a fan of the ati linux drivers ;) |
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| 12:57.25 | VSpike | Daverocks: glxgears runs fine. And the GL kscreensavers run fine in test mode and in the preview window |
| 12:57.51 | VSpike | Daverocks: me either, or getting that way. Sadly the open ones just don't work with my card. |
| 12:58.01 | Daverocks | VSpike: i assume you've asked in #ati ? |
| 12:58.11 | VSpike | Daverocks: No life there |
| 12:58.13 | Daverocks | mind you, don't seem to be many people in there |
| 12:58.15 | Daverocks | yeah :P |
| 12:59.28 | VSpike | Daverocks: A search on this problem has revealed a few people asking it. One suggestion was to do with adding UseDPMS or something like that to a config file, which I tried but it made no difference. |
| 12:59.45 | Daverocks | VSpike: i really really hate when i'm in a situation like yours |
| 12:59.50 | VSpike | I'm thinking of buying a 7950GT anyway, but this is bugging me |
| 13:00.03 | Daverocks | VSpike: and i especially hate when _no-one_ can provide any help |
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| 13:00.34 | VSpike | Daverocks: Thanks, I genuinely really appreciate your saying that |
| 13:01.06 | VSpike | It can get a bit isolating trying to solve these problems sometimes when it seems like no-one can help |
| 13:01.24 | VSpike | Usually come out the other side knowing a bit more about something though, I guess :) |
| 13:01.27 | Daverocks | VSpike: maybe you could like write some sort of process monitor, wait 10 minutes, and see if kscreensaver _tried_ to start |
| 13:01.32 | Daverocks | yep :D |
| 13:01.49 | Daverocks | btw, replace "10 minutes" with however long you set |
| 13:02.01 | Daverocks | anyway my firefox is officially stuffed lol |
| 13:02.08 | Daverocks | no-one else had experienced my problem before |
| 13:02.23 | Daverocks | just to give you an idea: http://users.bigpond.net.au/davidp/pics/buggy.png |
| 13:02.40 | Daverocks | see how the close tab and the writing is screwed? |
| 13:03.05 | VSpike | ooh yeah.. that's wierd |
| 13:03.19 | VSpike | Does it only happen with firefox? |
| 13:03.37 | Daverocks | heh, i use konqueror now :P ... i couldn't find anyone else who had seen anything like it, even in irc.mozilla.org#firefox people were stumped |
| 13:03.56 | Daverocks | yeah, it only happens with firefox, but it _doesn't_ happen when i run firefox in gnome or xfce |
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| 13:04.10 | Daverocks | in everything else like kde, fluxbox, fvwm, the problem occurs |
| 13:04.29 | Daverocks | the stuffed writing comes from dragging windows over those bits, but it's kind of buggy all the time anyway |
| 13:04.34 | Daverocks | i use konqueror now :P |
| 13:04.38 | VSpike | heh |
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| 13:05.20 | Daverocks | VSpike: anyway, what do you think of the "process monitor" idea? |
| 13:05.40 | VSpike | It's an interesting idea. |
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| 13:07.02 | tsdh | Hi. Is it possible to the KDE services without using KDE? For example I'd like to use the KDE media service. |
| 13:07.22 | MinceR | Daverocks: does it happen if you run it under kde but start gnome-settings-daemon before it? |
| 13:07.41 | Daverocks | MinceR: hmm, let me check |
| 13:08.09 | Daverocks | i don't seem to have gnome-settings-daemon |
| 13:08.12 | Daverocks | even though i have gnome |
| 13:08.28 | Daverocks | i have a LOT of binaries that look like gnome-* |
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| 13:09.00 | tsdh | Ah, I meant, is it possible to USE the KDE services without KDE? |
| 13:14.11 | tsdh | So that I get this popup if I plug any storage devices those devices are listed in konqueror's system -> storage media tab. |
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| 13:15.33 | Daverocks | tsdh: i think in xfce you can enable kde services for compatibility |
| 13:16.08 | Daverocks | tsdh: but i don't know if xfce starts kded, which is responsible for the storage media recognition and automount |
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| 13:16.29 | Q-collective | #xfce |
| 13:16.43 | Daverocks | we don't even know if he's using xfce, lol |
| 13:16.56 | Q-collective | lol |
| 13:17.08 | tsdh | I use dwm, but I'll try if it works with kded. |
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| 13:19.15 | VSpike | Daverocks: I'm not sure kscreensaver actually has its own binary |
| 13:19.36 | Daverocks | VSpike: probably not, heh |
| 13:19.52 | tsdh | Yep, it work. Not the popup, but the storage media inside konqueror. That's good enough for me. Thanks. |
| 13:20.04 | Daverocks | really? sweet lol |
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| 13:22.06 | SpeS | hi, anyone knows what is the DHT option in ktorrent? |
| 13:22.28 | Daverocks | SpeS: it allows you to find peers even when the tracker is down |
| 13:22.40 | Daverocks | SpeS: stands for "Distributed Hash Table". kind of like true P2P |
| 13:22.51 | SpeS | aham, so it's "good" for download bad for CPU |
| 13:22.56 | SpeS | thanks :) |
| 13:23.08 | Daverocks | heh i don't think it's that heavy on the CPU |
| 13:23.34 | SpeS | well, that's not a problem |
| 13:23.40 | SpeS | it was turned off by default |
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| 13:23.52 | SpeS | now it's activated :) |
| 13:24.13 | Daverocks | SpeS: even when activated, ktorrent will probably only use when it can't communicate with the tracker |
| 13:24.17 | Daverocks | which is fair enough |
| 13:24.19 | Daverocks | but i may be wrong |
| 13:24.26 | SpeS | good then |
| 13:24.55 | SpeS | Daverocks, and the option with right click on the file and the tick icon? in spanish is called "Anuncio Manual" |
| 13:24.59 | benJIman | DHT is disabled by suse, and possibly other distros, I think it does use it when enabled |
| 13:25.01 | SpeS | what's that for? |
| 13:25.26 | Daverocks | SpeS: um, no idea |
| 13:25.40 | SpeS | :( |
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| 13:34.10 | MasterShrek | anyone know if i can install the kickoff style menu (like opensuse 10.2 has now) on my slackware? |
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| 13:34.44 | Daverocks | MasterShrek: i think kickoff was developed by suse, so i don't know how possible that is |
| 13:34.52 | MasterShrek | oh |
| 13:34.53 | Daverocks | i have suse and i disabled it anyway |
| 13:35.07 | MasterShrek | yea, my friend did the same thing, but i think its kinda cool looking |
| 13:35.08 | Daverocks | but it's your preference |
| 13:35.18 | Daverocks | it does look cool i admit |
| 13:35.25 | benJIman | MasterShrek: it's in kde svn |
| 13:35.28 | benJIman | if you want it |
| 13:35.29 | MasterShrek | i think its supposed to be included in kde4, but i dont want to wait =P |
| 13:35.34 | Daverocks | ah it is? cool |
| 13:35.35 | MasterShrek | really? |
| 13:35.36 | Jucato | MasterShrek: yes you can compile it |
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| 13:35.37 | MasterShrek | sweet |
| 13:35.40 | MasterShrek | cool |
| 13:35.40 | benJIman | it's in a branch yeah |
| 13:35.48 | benJIman | see beineri's blog for details |
| 13:35.49 | Jucato | it's not going to be in KDE 4 |
| 13:35.57 | Jucato | not by default, anyways... |
| 13:36.12 | Jucato | or not even included... it's still up in the air for now... |
| 13:36.14 | MasterShrek | hmm, i thought i read that it was |
| 13:36.18 | MasterShrek | but maybe not =P |
| 13:36.19 | eddysetyawan | where i can look kde 4 preview anyone have screenshot |
| 13:36.31 | benJIman | There was an article which was more wrong than right on slashdot and digg |
| 13:36.39 | benJIman | I'm not sure that article contained a single correct fact |
| 13:37.10 | Jucato | benJIman: it did contain some correct facts... |
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| 13:37.20 | Jucato | the article links to a blog post anyway... |
| 13:37.32 | benJIman | Yes which had more errors than correct statements |
| 13:37.45 | Jucato | eddysetyawan: look around in dot.kde.org articles. some have KDE 4 shots |
| 13:38.00 | MasterShrek | hey benJIman do u konw what branch its in? |
| 13:38.01 | Jucato | but don't expect big changes in user interface and artwork yet |
| 13:39.51 | benJIman | MasterShrek: as I said look at beineri's blog |
| 13:39.58 | benJIman | find it on planekde.org |
| 13:40.02 | benJIman | planetkde.org even |
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| 13:48.13 | LinuxCart | Hello |
| 13:48.34 | LinuxCart | anyone could test the java applets here are working? http://www.heise.de/security/dienste/browsercheck/tests/java.shtml |
| 13:50.33 | Daverocks | LinuxCart: works for me |
| 13:51.02 | LinuxCart | what java are you using and konqueror version? |
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| 13:51.51 | Daverocks | LinuxCart: konqueror 3.5.5 and sun java 1.5.0_06 |
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| 13:54.25 | LinuxCart | 1.5.0_10 here, umm I'll try to update or look elsewhere |
| 13:54.29 | LinuxCart | thank you |
| 13:54.42 | Daverocks | LinuxCart: no problem lol |
| 13:54.43 | LinuxCart | BTW Daverocks have you tried gcj or kaffe? |
| 13:55.04 | Daverocks | sun java has always works ten thousand times better for me |
| 13:56.40 | LinuxCart | Daverocks: do you have anykind of java bindings for kde? |
| 13:57.14 | Daverocks | LinuxCart: no idea, i've forgotten everything about how i installed java lol |
| 13:57.27 | Daverocks | i haven't intentionally assigned any kde bindings so... |
| 13:57.31 | Daverocks | mm. |
| 13:57.31 | LinuxCart | ok, just to check my pacakges |
| 13:57.49 | LinuxCart | bets are that there is anyone missing |
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| 14:01.34 | LinuxCart | now I have it, don't know what really happened |
| 14:03.03 | Daverocks | lol |
| 14:03.07 | Daverocks | it works? |
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| 14:22.18 | hey_ian | hi there. when KDE 3.5.6 is going to be released?? |
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| 14:23.18 | tuxick | why doesn't "open in new tab" move me to this new tab? |
| 14:23.22 | tuxick | seems a bit silly |
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| 14:23.41 | tuxick | speaking konq of course |
| 14:23.43 | hey_ian | /exit |
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| 14:24.46 | Daverocks | tuxick: that's the default behaviour of most tabbed browsers |
| 14:27.09 | Daverocks | tuxick: you can change it in Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Web Behavior, Tabbed Browsing, Advanced Options, open new tabs in background checkbox |
| 14:28.21 | tuxick | ah cool |
| 14:28.36 | tuxick | still a silly default! |
| 14:28.49 | Daverocks | as i said, it's the default of most browsers, including firefox and opera |
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| 14:34.03 | name | where do I find the kopete config |
| 14:34.47 | name | rm -rf /home/name/.kde/share/apps/kopete* didn't do it |
| 14:35.37 | Daverocks | name: the only thing in that directory is the contact list |
| 14:35.40 | Daverocks | hang on |
| 14:36.15 | Daverocks | name: ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc |
| 14:36.19 | Daverocks | should be there |
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| 15:04.20 | mustasj | Hi all. I helping a friend to set up a xerox workcentre printer. Xerox' linux support and drivers are nothing to brag about, so the way I have to do it is that when I click print, xerox' xprint application needs to start. Is this possible? |
| 15:05.20 | spawn57 | is it using cups? |
| 15:06.12 | mustasj | spawn57: Sort of. It's impossible to import the PPD files directly. But the printer appears in KDE' print manager |
| 15:06.25 | mustasj | After I install xerox' software. |
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| 15:08.20 | mustasj | spawn57: The answer is yes :-) Any ideas? |
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| 15:09.30 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 15:09.35 | spawn57 | not really, i'm farily new myself |
| 15:09.37 | rindolf | I'm using beryl-manager with KDE, but in the virtual workspaces pager at the bottom I cannot see the windows in the other workspaces. I'm on Mandriva 2007.0. |
| 15:09.48 | rindolf | I'm using beryl-manager with KDE, but in the virtual workspaces pager at the bottom I cannot see the windows in the other workspaces. I'm on Mandriva 2007.0. What can I do about it? |
| 15:10.09 | Gentle | rindolf, search kde-apps.org for pager compiz |
| 15:10.17 | rindolf | Gentle: thanks. |
| 15:10.41 | Pupeno | Does anybody know what's needed for audiocd to create mp3 ? here it is creating empty files. |
| 15:10.43 | Gentle | rindolf, there is a replacement for compiz/beryl, but that one has other bugs (can't display more than one row of workspaces) |
| 15:11.12 | rindolf | Gentle: so should I use it? |
| 15:11.20 | annma | Pupeno: lame maybe?* |
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| 15:11.34 | Jucato | Pupeno: definitely LAME |
| 15:11.41 | shadok | ^^ |
| 15:11.46 | Jucato | hi annma! |
| 15:11.47 | Tm_T | I'm not! |
| 15:11.48 | Pupeno | lame the library (liblame) or lame the program (lame) ? |
| 15:11.50 | annma | hi Jucato :) |
| 15:11.57 | annma | the lib |
| 15:11.58 | Gentle | rindolf, it shows the workspaces correctly, it just can't show two rows of desktops, so instead of 2x2 for 4 desktops you'll have 1x4 |
| 15:12.02 | annma | Jucato: no!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:12.06 | Jucato | err |
| 15:12.08 | rindolf | Gentle: I cannot find anything: http://kde-apps.org/content/search.php |
| 15:12.09 | Jucato | KDE I mean |
| 15:12.10 | annma | you can't |
| 15:12.12 | Jucato | ugh!!! my brain has been scrambled by MS!!! |
| 15:12.13 | rindolf | Sorry. |
| 15:12.15 | Pupeno | annma: the lib is installed. |
| 15:12.15 | annma | lol |
| 15:12.23 | annma | Pupeno: it's not enough then |
| 15:12.23 | Jucato | Pupeno: try the executable/program |
| 15:12.27 | rindolf | Gentle: I searched for "pager compiz" (without the quotes). |
| 15:12.44 | MrGrim | Jucato: it's ok man the keys are practically right next to each other |
| 15:13.01 | Gentle | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=46021 |
| 15:13.04 | Jucato | :( |
| 15:13.10 | Gentle | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49484 |
| 15:13.24 | Pupeno | Jucato: I tried very hard to find out what might have you been used before to be glad to use XP... I've thought OS/2... no, that was actually good... al desktops were better than MS things... maybe he was using a mainframe for a desktop... that might have been very ugly. |
| 15:13.27 | MrGrim | Jucato: I think I may have met my match when it comes to messed up typos |
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| 15:14.12 | Jucato | Pupeno: true.. but I've only used MS-DOS -> Windows - Linux... so I wouldn't really know :P |
| 15:14.40 | MrGrim | hmm this monitor has damn near 0 glare and a window is aiming sunlight right at it.. tho it is slightly cloudy outside |
| 15:14.42 | MrGrim | that's awesome |
| 15:14.46 | Gentle | Jucato, correct, those taskbar and workspace switcher replacements are third party in every possible way, just, we can still tell people they exist, can't we? |
| 15:14.46 | MrGrim | I was worried :D |
| 15:14.48 | Jucato | annma: I don't know what I did or didn't do... I can't type accented characters... I could before... :( |
| 15:15.14 | Jucato | Gentle: sure. that's very helpful actually. I'm just laying the blame on someone else :P |
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| 15:16.20 | Jucato | annma: don't mind me for a while... don't let me add to your confusion :) |
| 15:16.20 | annma | Jucato: you mean in the compiled KDE? |
| 15:16.41 | annma | lol |
| 15:17.44 | Pupeno | lame the binary it was. |
| 15:18.16 | Jucato | good for you it is :) |
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| 15:18.48 | Jucato | best grammar teacher, Yoda is. |
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| 15:19.32 | mustasj | spawn57: yeah, think I just figured it out. this may not interest you, still ;) if I add a pseudo printer, and use the command /path/to/xprint %in I think it should work, lets hope so. Can't test before tomorrow |
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| 15:19.44 | spawn57 | really |
| 15:19.49 | spawn57 | i'll keep that in mind |
| 15:21.05 | benJIman | Jucato: scribus isn't bad now |
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| 15:21.27 | Jucato | benJIman: I was using it since last week :) |
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| 15:21.40 | Jucato | so unless your "now" means "today" or "a few hours ago"... |
| 15:21.57 | Jucato | it's not *bad* really... |
| 15:22.13 | benJIman | It's not bad at all, compared to many windows DTP packages |
| 15:22.16 | Jucato | it just didn't work out for me... neither did KDEPrint.. |
| 15:22.37 | Jucato | benJIman: funny you should mention that... I actually found it easier to work with MS Publisher... |
| 15:22.49 | benJIman | Sure it doesn't have the feature set of indesign or quark, but it's way beyond most other things |
| 15:22.57 | benJIman | publisher is probably the worst DTP app ever written. |
| 15:22.59 | tafsen | Where's the dev. channel? |
| 15:23.07 | Jucato | tafsen: #kde-devel |
| 15:23.24 | Jucato | benJIman: worse or not, I only care about what worked for me this time... |
| 15:23.54 | benJIman | Its postscript output is appalling, its colour separtions never work, it randomly moves objects about when you open files on other machines |
| 15:23.55 | Jucato | you can keep on saying that it's the worst, but if your best doesn't work for my situation, it matters little... |
| 15:24.05 | benJIman | in short it's just not suitable for print at all |
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| 15:24.27 | rindolf | Gentle: thanks. |
| 15:24.46 | benJIman | Jucato: The features that are important for the print industry it just can't handle. |
| 15:25.01 | benJIman | What were you trying to do then? |
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| 15:25.25 | benJIman | Nearly all DTP requires decent postscript output |
| 15:25.53 | Jucato | benJIman: my other alternative was to use Scribus on Linux which doesn't print unless I use KDEPrint, which doesn't accept a custom paper size |
| 15:26.03 | Jucato | benJIman: A black & white 3-fold brochure on 8.5 x 13 inches paper |
| 15:26.20 | benJIman | Sounds like distro issues to me. |
| 15:26.32 | Jucato | the kdeprint issue is not a distro issue |
| 15:26.46 | Jucato | also, kdeprint prints... just not with the custom paper size |
| 15:26.56 | benJIman | you shouldn't use kdeprint with scribus |
| 15:27.13 | Jucato | but like I said, scribus won't print at all. unless I use kdeprint |
| 15:28.04 | benJIman | Which sounds like a distro issue. |
| 15:28.38 | Jucato | nvm... |
| 15:28.47 | benJIman | You could always just create the postscript and print that |
| 15:28.52 | benJIman | or pdf |
| 15:29.02 | Jucato | what will I use to print? |
| 15:29.08 | benJIman | whatever you want |
| 15:29.41 | Jucato | anyway, I was under time pressure, so I didn't have the luxury of poking around |
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| 15:39.32 | olegfink | hi! |
| 15:39.50 | olegfink | is there a qt-only version of katepart or something? |
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| 15:48.39 | Jucato | olegfink: maybe the #qt guys would know? |
| 15:49.15 | Jucato | annma: would you happen to know if I need something to be installed to be able to write accented characters? (compiled KDE) |
| 15:49.28 | Jucato | ooops.... looks like you're not done yet... sorry :( |
| 15:49.37 | annma | it's ok |
| 15:49.46 | olegfink | Jucato: well... that was a dumb question. A better one follows: |
| 15:49.54 | annma | what happen when you type an accented letter? |
| 15:50.03 | olegfink | can I compile kate for windows now? |
| 15:50.29 | annma | you mean kde4? |
| 15:50.30 | Jucato | annma: nothing... I mean before, I could press on AltGr (or change it to right Win key) and then type ~n to get |
| 15:50.46 | Jucato | olegfink: applies to KDE 4 only.. unless you go the old Cygwin route... |
| 15:50.54 | annma | Jucato: did you enable dead keys in KControl? |
| 15:51.03 | Jucato | dead keys? |
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| 15:51.31 | Jucato | the funny thing is, I vaguely remember being able to that on this compiled system... then just one day, it won't anymore... |
| 15:51.50 | annma | Xkb options in KControl |
| 15:52.33 | Jucato | ah yes. I set "Right Win-key is compose" and "Alt and Meta are on the Alt keys (default)" |
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| 15:53.14 | Jucato | my keyboard layout is Generic 105-key (Intl) PC (not even sure if that's correct, I think I have a 104), and U.S. English, keymap: us |
| 15:53.28 | annma | I have switched to French so i could not tell further Jucato |
| 15:53.37 | Jucato | annma: ah ok... thanks anyway... |
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| 15:54.54 | olegfink | eheh |
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| 15:55.33 | olegfink | well atleast where to get those nice qt4 kdevelop templates? |
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| 15:56.07 | annma | olegfink: that nice template |
| 15:56.10 | magicbronson | is RightAlt+Tab supposed to behave differently from LeftAlt+Tab? |
| 15:56.11 | annma | there's one only |
| 15:56.21 | annma | olegfink: use kdevelop 3.4 |
| 15:56.50 | olegfink | annma: is it released or not? |
| 15:56.52 | Jucato | magicbronson: by default, KDE uses the right Alt key for the Compose key |
| 15:56.59 | olegfink | can't understand |
| 15:57.12 | annma | with KDE 3.5.6 but you can get some rpms and debs of RC2 |
| 15:57.29 | annma | olegfink: look at kdevelop website |
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| 15:57.50 | olegfink | annma: ah so I need either to compile it or wait for kde 3.5.6 in my distro |
| 15:57.59 | annma | what distro? |
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| 15:58.12 | olegfink | annma: ArchLinux |
| 15:58.21 | Jucato | 3.5.6 will be out in a couple of days, afaik |
| 15:58.32 | annma | don't know that, what package format is it? |
| 15:58.49 | magicbronson | Jucato: what's the compose key? is there any mention of this in kcontrol? |
| 15:58.51 | olegfink | annma: a sort of .tar.gz =) |
| 15:59.07 | annma | so you compile? or are these bin? |
| 15:59.07 | Jucato | magicbronson: compose key allows you to write accented characters |
| 15:59.13 | olegfink | annma: bins |
| 15:59.14 | Jucato | (which is actually my problem...) |
| 15:59.24 | Jucato | magicbronson: like |
| 15:59.57 | Jucato | or |
| 16:00.26 | Jucato | btw annma, you could have fooled me... "As I am not a "real" programmer"... :P |
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| 16:00.30 | olegfink | annma: but I can compile still using standard distro methods. Maybe I'd do kdevelop-svn? |
| 16:00.37 | magicbronson | Jucato: those aren't showing up in my gnome terminal running irssi... but i'm sure they would be if i were using konversation. is there documentation on this somewhere? |
| 16:00.45 | annma | yes olegfink |
| 16:00.55 | annma | branches/kdevelop/3.4 |
| 16:01.04 | magicbronson | Jucato: googling for 'kde compose key' turns up only mailing list hits |
| 16:01.29 | Jucato | magicbronson: it's a KDE feature, afaik. in KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layouts afaik |
| 16:01.34 | magicbronson | Jucato: seems like my right Alt behaves exactly like left Alt except with Alt+Tab |
| 16:02.06 | olegfink | annma: ah seems I have to wait just a bit... |
| 16:04.06 | magicbronson | Jucato: went into keyboard layouts, they were disabled, enabling them didn't seem to have any effect, nor is there mention of the Alt keys... |
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| 16:05.36 | Jucato | hm... sorry... out of ideas myself.. :( |
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| 16:09.28 | gdiebel | magicbronson: what distro? |
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| 16:10.21 | magicbronson | gdiebel: gentoo |
| 16:10.31 | magicbronson | gdiebel: vanilla kde |
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| 16:11.56 | gdiebel | magicbronson: ok kcontrol/regional and accessibility/keyboard layout/xkb options/alt win key behavior/alt and meta are on the alt keys |
| 16:12.44 | gdiebel | what that will do is use a xkb mapping so that both alt keys are in fact alt |
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| 16:19.22 | gdiebel | does kate have a way to tabflip or navigate documents in a "last selected" manner? comparable to alt-tab |
| 16:19.36 | magicbronson | gdiebel: thanks! |
| 16:19.51 | gdiebel | magicbronson: worked ok for you? |
| 16:20.06 | magicbronson | gdiebel: yeah, that totally fixed it... what was jucato saying about the compose key?? |
| 16:20.28 | magicbronson | is it similar to how Option works on Macs? |
| 16:21.48 | gdiebel | magicbronson: default is right alt key is a third level chooser for handling extended characters common in non english languages |
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| 16:24.31 | magicbronson | gdiebel: is there documentation somewhere about how to use it? i.e. what key sequences map to what foreign chars? |
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| 16:27.06 | Shaman` | liquid weather++ looks great |
| 16:27.17 | MinceR | what's the cleanest way to get kickoff on ubuntu? |
| 16:27.27 | Shaman` | had to download and install it tho... couldn't get it off hotnewstuff for some rason |
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| 16:28.37 | annma | MinceR: compile it probably |
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| 16:35.44 | gdiebel | magicbronson: it is dependent on the keyboard layout. not really sure, since I only use english. |
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| 16:37.57 | LinuxCart | Hello |
| 16:38.11 | LinuxCart | anyone could see this java applet on konqueror: http://lca2007.linux.org.au/talk/54 ? |
| 16:38.17 | LinuxCart | it's a video... |
| 16:39.53 | Desintegr | loading... |
| 16:40.22 | Desintegr | I got an image |
| 16:40.52 | Desintegr | but |
| 16:40.54 | Desintegr | INFO] shutting down: reason: javax.sound.sampled.spi.MixerProvider: http://lca2007.linux.org.au/talk/META-INF/services/javax.sound.sampled.spi.MixerProvider:1: Illegal configuration-file syntax |
| 16:41.15 | LinuxCart | I also got an image |
| 16:41.25 | LinuxCart | using sun java |
| 16:41.32 | Desintegr | sound problem |
| 16:41.34 | LinuxCart | but not that error |
| 16:41.42 | Desintegr | I have this error in Java console |
| 16:41.42 | LinuxCart | it works on FF2 |
| 16:41.51 | LinuxCart | oh I see I'll check the console... |
| 16:43.26 | LinuxCart | how did you get the console? |
| 16:44.28 | LinuxCart | java console I mean |
| 16:44.28 | Desintegr | I click on the « coffee » icon in Konqueror status bar |
| 16:44.42 | LinuxCart | so you are using kaffe? |
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| 16:45.22 | LinuxCart | ah ok I have it, last time didn't work |
| 16:45.42 | LinuxCart | also seems sound problem |
| 16:45.44 | LinuxCart | I'll report it |
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| 16:50.11 | LinuxCart | thanks Desintegr |
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| 16:50.36 | Desintegr | I use java from officiel SUN JRE |
| 16:50.40 | Desintegr | 1.6 |
| 16:51.31 | Desintegr | hum, it's not a coffee icon :o |
| 16:51.40 | Desintegr | it's a Java « guy » icon :) |
| 16:51.43 | Desintegr | sorry :) |
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| 16:53.34 | magicbronson | is there a way to map a keyboard shortcut to pulling up the k menu? don't see it in kcontrol/keyboard shortcuts |
| 16:54.04 | LinuxCart | Desintegr: I'm using 1.5, but I'm not sure if 1.6 will change anything I'll try by the way |
| 16:54.16 | Jucato | magicbronson: its there... Popup Launch Menu |
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| 16:54.22 | LinuxCart | magicbronson: not that I know off, but you could configure it |
| 16:54.37 | Jucato | magicbronson: its set to Alt+F1 by default |
| 16:54.42 | LinuxCart | oh, sorry. It's not a default keyboard shortcutr |
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| 16:55.22 | magicbronson | LinuxCart, Jucato: where is it set? |
| 16:55.47 | Jucato | magicbronson: KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts.. the first tab |
| 16:55.50 | LinuxCart | Shaman`: about what |
| 16:55.52 | Jucato | you have to scroll down a bit |
| 16:55.59 | magicbronson | Jucato: i'm there, i don't see it |
| 16:56.06 | LinuxCart | Shaman`: just a picture of some candy |
| 16:56.35 | Jucato | magicbronson: you see the Search: field at the top? |
| 16:56.41 | Jucato | Global shortcuts |
| 16:57.20 | magicbronson | Jucato: yeah |
| 16:57.24 | Desintegr | LinuxCart: maybe a problem with Java and ALSA |
| 16:57.34 | Jucato | magicbronson: use it :) type in "menu" |
| 16:58.12 | magicbronson | Jucato: i was searching for k menu instead of launch menu... thanks |
| 16:58.23 | Jucato | <Jucato> magicbronson: its there... Popup Launch Menu <--- I said it a few minutes ago... |
| 16:58.32 | McEnroe | what does a grey icq flower in kopete mean? |
| 16:58.33 | Shaman` | read the ingredients |
| 17:00.46 | magicbronson | Jucato: sorry, i haven't had my coffee yet |
| 17:01.01 | Jucato | my tea has gone cold.. |
| 17:04.08 | LinuxCart | Desintegr: maybe , installing java6 right now |
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| 17:09.11 | puschi | #sabayon |
| 17:09.24 | puschi | how can i change the channels ? |
| 17:09.34 | Jucato | puschi: /j #channel |
| 17:09.41 | puschi | thx alot :-) |
| 17:09.46 | Jucato | or just click on the #channel name |
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| 17:12.05 | MinceR | found kickoff in trevino's repository -- kickoff seems to be really great :) |
| 17:13.27 | MinceR | i looks really weird with a birght-on-dark theme though |
| 17:13.47 | Jucato | it's... clunky... |
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| 17:14.28 | thug | how do i get more theme for kde ? |
| 17:14.45 | MinceR | kde-look.org |
| 17:14.46 | Jucato | http://www.kde-look.org |
| 17:14.48 | thug | non from kde-look.org worked |
| 17:14.49 | Jucato | ~themes |
| 17:14.59 | Jucato | hm.. |
| 17:14.59 | Jucato | ~theme |
| 17:15.01 | apt | somebody said theme was want gnome-themes? you probably are looking for the package gtk-theme-switch'.. 'also see packages gtk-engine-*'... |
| 17:15.16 | Jucato | not that... |
| 17:15.19 | Jucato | thug: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/customizing-desktop.html |
| 17:16.27 | thug | Jucato thats how i do man To add a KDE theme from an outside source, click on Install New Theme... and locate the KDE theme file |
| 17:16.45 | thug | and then i select the new installed theme and i click aply and nothing happend :) |
| 17:17.01 | Jucato | you read the explanation about KDE Themes? (.kth files?) |
| 17:17.16 | Jucato | it will only fully work if and only if you have all the other stuff installed already |
| 17:17.33 | thug | like what ? |
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| 17:17.42 | Jucato | w/c means, if it uses window decorations, styles and/or icon themes that are not yet installed on your system, it won't fully work |
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| 17:18.09 | Jucato | "One very important thing to consider when using or installing a KDE Theme is that it only indicates what settings to use for the above. A KDE Theme includes only system notifications, desktop background, panel background, Konqueror background, and the color scheme in its package. The other components must be installed separately if they do not already come with KDE." |
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| 17:21.32 | thug | do you know what " non " means ? |
| 17:22.03 | Jucato | ?? |
| 17:22.36 | gcbirzan | Hm. How do I get konqueror to open links I open with konqueror http://www.google.com/ from a terminal, for example, in an existing window? |
| 17:23.31 | gcbirzan | And, on that note. How can I get middle clicking to close the tab I was pointing at? |
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| 17:24.44 | ethrandil | Hi, I had a look at #kdepim-users but It's very lonely there. Anyoune here sho could help me with kpilot? |
| 17:24.47 | LinuxCart | gcbirzan: could you explain a little better? |
| 17:24.58 | gcbirzan | LinuxCart: Which of the two? :-) |
| 17:25.05 | LinuxCart | ethrandil: maybe #kontact |
| 17:25.05 | Jucato | ethrandil: try #kontact |
| 17:25.17 | LinuxCart | gcbirzan: first things first ;) |
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| 17:25.34 | Jucato | actually, easier thing first |
| 17:25.42 | Jucato | for the second question, gcbirzan: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Middle_Click_on_Tab_to_Close_in_Konqueror_KDE_3_4_ |
| 17:26.13 | gcbirzan | LinuxCart: Well. I have an open window of Konqueror. From an external application, I try to open an URL. Now, it opens a new window. I want it to open a new tab from that existing window. |
| 17:26.14 | LinuxCart | Jucato: I wonder if you have a pool with that links? :P |
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| 17:26.35 | LinuxCart | gcbirzan: ah,ok ... |
| 17:26.44 | Jucato | LinuxCart: somewhat :) |
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| 17:27.19 | LinuxCart | gcbirzan: konqueror prefrences... |
| 17:27.31 | Jucato | gcbirzan: Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Web Behavior -> Advanced Options -> Open as Tab in existing Konqueror when URL is called externally |
| 17:27.33 | LinuxCart | configure konqueror |
| 17:27.36 | gcbirzan | Doen't work. |
| 17:27.40 | LinuxCart | that's it |
| 17:27.57 | LinuxCart | gcbirzan: open a konqueror if you don't have anyone opened |
| 17:27.59 | gcbirzan | Well, no. Let me rephrase that. |
| 17:28.14 | LinuxCart | and now issue on konsole kfmclient exec http://google.com |
| 17:28.27 | gcbirzan | It still opens a new window when I run konqueror www.google.com |
| 17:28.30 | gcbirzan | Same for when I do that. |
| 17:29.19 | LinuxCart | I suppose you accepted, right ;) |
| 17:29.30 | Jucato | [ ] Open links in new tab already checked? |
| 17:30.28 | gcbirzan | Jucato: It s. |
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| 17:30.49 | LnxSlck | hello all |
| 17:30.58 | Jucato | from what app are you clicking the URL? |
| 17:31.11 | LnxSlck | can we configure several accounts in kemail, so that each account has is own directories??? |
| 17:31.16 | LinuxCart | Jucato: from konsole also didn't work |
| 17:31.26 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: think so |
| 17:31.43 | Jucato | LnxSlck: yes |
| 17:31.43 | gcbirzan | Jucato: Doesn't matter. Same happens when I run kfmclient exec http://google.com or konqueror www.google.com |
| 17:31.43 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, have you done it? i'm trying and i can't do it |
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| 17:32.20 | LnxSlck | Jucato, have you done it ? |
| 17:32.41 | LinuxCart | gcbirzan: what kde and distro? |
| 17:33.22 | Jucato | LnxSlck: unfortunately, I only have one account right now that has free POP3... but I do recall having done it before |
| 17:33.40 | LnxSlck | Jucato, i have try it several ways, and nothing |
| 17:33.55 | LnxSlck | Jucato, both maildir and mailbox.. nothing |
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| 17:34.42 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: preferences->configure kmail->accounts->modify |
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| 17:34.43 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: are you there? |
| 17:34.44 | LnxSlck | yes |
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| 17:35.14 | LinuxCart | taget folder? |
| 17:35.14 | LinuxCart | on the general tab |
| 17:35.14 | LnxSlck | yes |
| 17:35.20 | LinuxCart | can you see it |
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| 17:35.22 | LinuxCart | ? |
| 17:35.28 | LnxSlck | it only has received |
| 17:35.30 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: change it to the folder you would like |
| 17:35.32 | gcbirzan | LinuxCart: Ah, 3.5.5, Debian. |
| 17:35.49 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: create the folder first |
| 17:35.54 | LinuxCart | and the choose it |
| 17:35.59 | LinuxCart | gcbirzan: same here |
| 17:36.25 | LinuxCart | it is rude, but have you tried restarting kde? |
| 17:36.48 | LinuxCart | gcbirzan: also you could create a fresh new user and try with that user, that would isolate the problem |
| 17:37.15 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, every folder i creat are made inside LOCAL FOLDERS |
| 17:37.25 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, is it possible to make on folder outside that ? |
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| 17:38.13 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: I don't think so |
| 17:38.23 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, thunderbird is much better then... |
| 17:38.43 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, each email account has his own directory tree |
| 17:38.48 | LnxSlck | outside the local folders |
| 17:39.20 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: it's not a good idea to go to #kde and tell that thunderbird is better than kmail |
| 17:39.37 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, sorry |
| 17:39.43 | LinuxCart | it could be in some aspects, same as kmail is better in some other |
| 17:40.11 | LnxSlck | it's just, i wanted to use kemail, but is it is so, i must stick with thunderbird |
| 17:40.15 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: I could say I can see TB folder layout is better than kmail's, is just different |
| 17:40.44 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: I also did that step some time ago and the kmail integration on its own is worthwhile |
| 17:41.54 | LnxSlck | i'm trying to go all kde here, konqueror, kopete, koffice, just kemail is missing :D |
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| 17:41.54 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: in my opinion you will get used to that, moreover why do you want a different trash for each account it's a waste of resources |
| 17:41.55 | LinuxCart | I understand about the inbox, but drafts, spam and trash could be common |
| 17:42.05 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, right |
| 17:42.15 | gcbirzan | LinuxCart: Ah, I'll try that at home. Maybe, if I don't fall asleep. :-P |
| 17:42.16 | LinuxCart | it's for inbox and event outbox where you should do the difference, so use filters and do it |
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| 17:42.32 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, that's exactly that, i have several emails account, but each is different |
| 17:42.35 | LinuxCart | gcbirzan: ok, good luck. |
| 17:42.37 | LnxSlck | so they must be kept apart |
| 17:42.59 | LinuxCart | I propose to create folders and use filters |
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| 17:43.19 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, creating folders i understand, but filters ? why ? |
| 17:43.36 | LinuxCart | also you could place a wishlist on the BTS |
| 17:44.00 | LinuxCart | filter just to separate sent e-mails on several folders |
| 17:44.42 | LnxSlck | what about wishlist and BTS? what's that? |
| 17:46.04 | LinuxCart | BTS stands for bug tracking system |
| 17:46.15 | LnxSlck | ok |
| 17:46.19 | LinuxCart | and wishlist is a feature not implemented which you would like to be |
| 17:46.45 | LinuxCart | so instead of reporting of a bug, report that you would like that feature on kmail |
| 17:47.01 | LnxSlck | LinuxCart, just one thing, what's the difference between maildir and mailbox (when creating a new folder) |
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| 17:47.30 | LinuxCart | if you go to the help menu on the menu bar and then click on report bug you will go to the kde BTS |
| 17:47.39 | LnxSlck | ok |
| 17:47.48 | LinuxCart | they are different formats to store the e-mail |
| 17:47.57 | Jucato | btw, LnxSlck have you tried asking in #kontact ? |
| 17:48.19 | LinuxCart | kmail uses the opposite as thunderbird, but I can't remember exactly what's what |
| 17:48.19 | LnxSlck | Jucato, i didn't know that channel existed |
| 17:48.28 | Jucato | now you know :) |
| 17:48.35 | Jucato | might want to ask in there... |
| 17:48.39 | LnxSlck | Jucato, is kontact a channel for kemail ? |
| 17:48.41 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: jucato's right there you will know the opinion of the kmail developers |
| 17:48.55 | Jucato | LnxSlck: it's the new hangout for kdepim |
| 17:49.02 | LinuxCart | LnxSlck: .doc_[sonzqc] |
| 17:49.07 | LnxSlck | kdepim ? |
| 17:49.08 | Jucato | so that includes kmail, kaddressbook, korganizer, etc. |
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| 17:49.14 | LnxSlck | right |
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| 17:49.17 | LnxSlck | :D |
| 17:49.22 | Jucato | KDE Personal Information Management software |
| 17:49.31 | LnxSlck | ok |
| 17:49.48 | LnxSlck | thanks guys |
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| 17:50.29 | litb | hi |
| 17:50.48 | litb | can someone tell me if flash9 works for him/her? |
| 17:50.58 | litb | here, nspluginviewer alsway crashes with it |
| 17:51.19 | LinuxCart | worksforme |
| 17:51.26 | LnxSlck | works for me too |
| 17:51.40 | Jucato | worksforme (Flash 9 Beta 2) |
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| 17:52.03 | LinuxCart | Jucato: flash 9 final is out FYI |
| 17:52.08 | Jucato | I know |
| 17:52.13 | LinuxCart | ok |
| 17:52.16 | Jucato | I'm still waiting for Ubuntu to package it |
| 17:52.18 | LinuxCart | just in case |
| 17:52.28 | LinuxCart | AFAIK it already had it |
| 17:52.39 | Jucato | I checked, not yet |
| 17:52.48 | MinceR | ubuntu has some kind of flash 9, but that one crashes opera |
| 17:53.10 | Jucato | the current one in ubuntu is still flash 9 beta 2 |
| 17:53.24 | LinuxCart | MinceR: in that case there could be a lot of culprits: ubuntu, flash and opera :) |
| 17:53.50 | Jucato | but since it doesn't crash Konqueror or Firefox... |
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| 17:54.39 | Dr_willis | ive not noticed flash crashing my opera. |
| 17:55.28 | MinceR | it crashed every now and then with flash 7, then it crashed a lot with flash 9, but it hasn't crashed since i've disabled plugins |
| 17:55.59 | litb | hmm |
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| 17:56.20 | litb | i installed then restarted konqui and when i want to view some flashes it always crashes nspluginviewer |
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| 17:57.50 | litb | there is my bt: http://rafb.net/p/4ZMhaI87.html |
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| 17:58.52 | bxnp | gebruikt iemand hier het programma kblogger |
| 17:59.11 | litb | i use glib-2.12.4 |
| 17:59.42 | LinuxCart | bxnp: what are you trying to see? |
| 17:59.49 | litb | and gtk+-2.10.6 , perhaps that causes flash to crash |
| 17:59.52 | LinuxCart | sorry that was for lilalinux |
| 18:00.03 | bxnp | oh lol, i thought i was in the dutch kde channel |
| 18:00.09 | LinuxCart | sorry that was for litb |
| 18:00.12 | LinuxCart | :@ |
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| 18:00.22 | bxnp | i was asking if anyone is using kblogger with wordpress |
| 18:00.38 | litb | LinuxCart: what was for who? |
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| 18:01.07 | LinuxCart | litb: did you notice that the flash plugin is on your .mozila dir? |
| 18:01.16 | LinuxCart | litb: what are you trying to see? |
| 18:01.37 | litb | LinuxCart: any flash crashes it |
| 18:01.58 | litb | LinuxCart: for example http://www.videotube.de/watch/20124 |
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| 18:03.30 | LinuxCart | libglib 2.12.4-2 and glib 2.8.20-3 |
| 18:03.34 | LinuxCart | here |
| 18:03.45 | LinuxCart | libglib 2.12.4-2 and gtk+ 2.8.20-3 |
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| 18:04.39 | litb | only the gtk version differs... |
| 18:04.42 | litb | hmm |
| 18:05.12 | LinuxCart | litb: that video workforme |
| 18:05.15 | litb | it seems to crash when gtk wants to allocate a new GObject |
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| 18:05.20 | litb | yeah, not for me :P |
| 18:05.38 | LinuxCart | try same gtk version as me |
| 18:07.22 | LinuxCart | have to go, see you |
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| 18:07.42 | litb | oups, for one plugin crashing even when it is used in a not supported browser and even if it is proprietary? no |
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| 18:12.53 | McEnroe | what does a grey icq flower in kopete mean? |
| 18:13.31 | MinceR | an offline icq contact or account? |
| 18:15.16 | zce | i disabled kde's and gnome's screensaver, but i still get one after about 10min idle, and i grep'ed processes with "saver" and "scr" and none appeared, what could be activating that? |
| 18:15.35 | MrGrim_ | zce: maybe the power module |
| 18:15.54 | MrGrim_ | is there an actual screen saver or is it just blanking? |
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| 18:16.36 | zce | MrGrim, it has a big X |
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| 18:17.03 | zce | where i find these power module preferences? |
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| 18:19.12 | MrGrim | right click on desktop, configure desktop, display power control |
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| 18:20.51 | zce | everything disabled |
| 18:20.53 | zce | 8/ |
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| 18:30.48 | mohaaaa | wsasad |
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| 18:42.42 | litb | isn'T strigi for kde4? |
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| 18:43.27 | litb | hmm, i ever thought it , until now... |
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| 18:50.30 | mariux | how is hebrew inputed to a computer? |
| 18:51.01 | mariux | the hebrew teacher on my school wants the ability to do some hebrew teaching on them |
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| 18:51.17 | XVampireX | אתה יודע עיברית? |
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| 18:51.32 | XVampireX | mariux: Just like that ;) |
| 18:51.43 | mariux | on a regular keyboard? |
| 18:51.50 | XVampireX | Sure |
| 18:51.52 | mariux | do you need a hebrew keyboard? |
| 18:52.10 | XVampireX | You gotta know where the hebrew keys are, yeah, but you don't need a hebrew keyboard |
| 18:52.12 | XVampireX | go to kcontrol |
| 18:52.26 | XVampireX | and to Regional and Accessibility |
| 18:52.52 | XVampireX | Country/Region & Language |
| 18:52.53 | mariux | do most fonts support it? |
| 18:52.58 | XVampireX | Actually |
| 18:53.17 | XVampireX | keyboard layouts in Regional and Accessibility |
| 18:53.23 | XVampireX | Alot of the fonts support it, yeah |
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| 18:53.42 | mariux | see no hebrew there |
| 18:53.54 | XVampireX | Israel |
| 18:53.57 | XVampireX | not hebrew |
| 18:54.33 | XVampireX | what distro are you using? |
| 18:54.47 | mariux | debian sarge at the system that im gonna do it on |
| 18:54.51 | mariux | terminal server |
| 18:54.58 | mariux | right now im at home on gentoo |
| 18:55.11 | XVampireX | Oh, okey |
| 18:55.17 | Shaman` | w00t |
| 18:55.27 | mariux | w00t what |
| 18:55.34 | XVampireX | Yeah, anyway, add israel as a layout and make sure to enable latin on israel |
| 18:55.39 | Shaman` | there has to be a what? |
| 18:55.44 | mariux | ahh thanks |
| 18:55.53 | mariux | hehe no :P |
| 18:55.55 | XVampireX | then to change layouts ctrl+alt+k |
| 18:56.01 | mariux | great |
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| 19:00.19 | Tonren | What's the name of KDE's dropdown terminal? It's like Tilda in Gnome. |
| 19:01.03 | Shaman` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.14 | gem_cat | I have an error message that the kde sound server is down and no sound in kde after upgrading to slack 11 |
| 19:02.19 | benJIman | Tonren: there are several, yakuake is one |
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| 19:04.14 | annma | Tonren: Konsole |
| 19:04.31 | annma | is the default KDE terminal |
| 19:04.39 | Tonren | annma: I'm looking for an equivalent of Tilda in Gnome. |
| 19:04.49 | annma | no idea what Tilda is |
| 19:05.07 | annma | what do you want as features? |
| 19:05.17 | Tonren | annma: As I said, it's a dropdown terminal. It stays hidden until you hit a hotkey, like ` or ~ or F12, and it drops down from teh top of the screen like in an FPS. |
| 19:05.28 | Tonren | annma: I'm checking out yakuake now, as benJIman suggested. |
| 19:05.31 | annma | Yakuake then |
| 19:05.34 | Shaman` | I like Konsole, I dunno why so many people try to replace it |
| 19:06.00 | annma | I do so much work in Konsole that I never can hide it |
| 19:06.39 | Sho_ | Shaman`: Yakuake doesn't really replace Konsole, it uses the same technology. Think of it as a window management concept around Konsole. |
| 19:06.56 | annma | Sho_: that much? |
| 19:07.01 | Shaman` | scary |
| 19:07.03 | Shaman` | :) |
| 19:07.10 | annma | what I dislike is the way it's hidden when started |
| 19:07.20 | annma | like Katapult |
| 19:07.37 | annma | these quick notifications are not good |
| 19:08.26 | Sho_ | annma: 'that much'? |
| 19:08.45 | annma | yes? |
| 19:08.55 | Sho_ | annma: I didn't understand your question, sorry? |
| 19:09.13 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.19 | annma | that much? |
| 19:09.40 | annma | it did not strike me as having so many features |
| 19:10.35 | Sho_ | annma: Konsole-the-technology rather than Konsole-the-standalone-application. Fundamentally it's a very small program geared towards managing a window of tabbed Konsole kparts. |
| 19:11.25 | Sho_ | Different people manage their windows differently, and thus Yakuake is not for everyone. It's reasonably popular, though. |
| 19:11.26 | annma | I guess it's like everything: you need to get used to it first |
| 19:13.47 | Sho_ | annma: As for startup, roll-out-on-start will be configurable in the next release, albeit defaulting to off. It will only roll out on the very first start after a brief first-run dialog. |
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| 19:23.19 | SimAtWork | i like quadkonsole |
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| 19:24.45 | foxbunny | hi, all! |
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| 19:25.48 | foxbunny | how do I hide IRC chat windows in Kopete? You know, so that the session stays open but the window closes...? |
| 19:26.42 | SimAtWork | close the window |
| 19:26.55 | foxbunny | doesn't that kill the session? |
| 19:27.11 | SimAtWork | it should say "this will close the window but keep it running" |
| 19:27.24 | foxbunny | lemme check |
| 19:27.24 | SimAtWork | "you'll find it in your system tray" |
| 19:27.39 | foxbunny | nope, it's gone |
| 19:27.50 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 19:27.52 | SimAtWork | sorry :( |
| 19:27.52 | foxbunny | is there a setting I'm missing? |
| 19:27.56 | SimAtWork | probably |
| 19:28.04 | SimAtWork | it used to do that for me... konversation does it too |
| 19:28.14 | SimAtWork | i haven't used kopete for a while though |
| 19:28.20 | foxbunny | Kopete itself is in the tray, but the session is closed... |
| 19:28.20 | SimAtWork | i use ichat on the macbook instead now |
| 19:29.02 | foxbunny | I see #kde in the list of on-line users... would adding that to contact maybe keep it open?... |
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| 19:30.05 | foxbunny | did I just go off-line? |
| 19:30.30 | annma | [20:29:58] foxbunny has left channel #kde |
| 19:30.31 | annma | [20:29:59] foxbunny (n=foxbunny@cable-89-216-168-110.dynamic.sbb.co.yu) has joined channel #kde |
| 19:30.31 | annma | [20:30:17] <foxbunny> did I just go off-line? |
| 19:30.41 | annma | indeed you did |
| 19:30.46 | foxbunny | aw, man... |
| 19:31.08 | SimAtWork | why do you want to do this? |
| 19:31.14 | SimAtWork | maybe desktop switching would be a better solution? |
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| 19:32.16 | foxbunny | because I want to track some channels for interesting info.... |
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| 19:32.17 | foxbunny | and perhaps read the logs when I'm AFK |
| 19:32.46 | annma | XVampireX: here |
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| 19:33.58 | foxbunny | ok, cya all, thx |
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| 19:34.32 | XVampireX | Well I'm using domino and it won't let me use the mousewheel to scroll in kopete |
| 19:36.09 | annma | report to domino devels |
| 19:36.18 | annma | only inkopete? |
| 19:37.47 | XVampireX | Yeah, only in kopete and can't find where to email domino developer, I think |
| 19:37.51 | XVampireX | hmm |
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| 19:40.38 | Shaman` | haha... I love this quote: "saying Vista is the best Windows is like saying this is the best Pauly Shore movie" |
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| 19:41.44 | XVampireX | Pauly Shore? |
| 19:41.52 | SimAtWork | biodome is better than vista though |
| 19:41.58 | Shaman` | maybe |
| 19:41.58 | Tonren | Who knows a good dark theme for KDE? One like "Smoked Glass" in Gnome, if possible. |
| 19:41.59 | Shaman` | hahaha |
| 19:42.09 | XVampireX | biodome? |
| 19:42.36 | Shaman` | honestly, you don't want to know |
| 19:42.40 | Tonren | LOL |
| 19:42.42 | SimAtWork | he's right, you don't :) |
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| 19:42.46 | Tonren | Third'd. |
| 19:42.53 | MinceR | Tonren: i've made a dark colorset ( http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/themez/kde-colors/ ) and use it with Light Style, 3rd Revision |
| 19:42.57 | MinceR | no theme though :) |
| 19:43.20 | Tonren | MinceR: Pardon my naivete, but I've only used KDE for 1 day, and I don't yet fully grasp the difference between themes, styles, colors, etc. |
| 19:43.33 | MinceR | there are themes, but i haven't saved any so far |
| 19:44.00 | SimAtWork | XVampireX: if you really want to know: http://imdb.com/title/tt0115683/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9YmlvZG9tZXxmdD0xfG14PTIwfGxtPTUwMHxjbz0xfGh0bWw9MXxubT0x;fc=1;ft=22;fm=1 |
| 19:44.05 | MinceR | a theme would include an iconset and a background if i'm not mistaken |
| 19:44.10 | MinceR | probably even font settings |
| 19:44.14 | Tonren | Interesting. |
| 19:44.40 | Tonren | MinceR: What is "Light Style, 3rd Rev"? |
| 19:45.07 | MinceR | that colorset has an interesting history: i started with the ThinDarkness gtk theme, made it a little less colorful, then made a kde colorset based on it, then converted that back to a gtk theme when i needed it :) |
| 19:45.22 | MinceR | Tonren: widget style with flat 3d effect |
| 19:45.42 | MinceR | 1-pixel wide edges create the 3d effect and there are no pixmap backgrounds |
| 19:46.26 | MinceR | you can preview it in KDE Control Center/Appearance & Themes/Style |
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| 19:48.38 | Tonren | MinceR: "Widget Style" refers to the "Style" section in Appearances & Themes, right? |
| 19:48.42 | MinceR | yes |
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| 19:55.03 | Xemanth | is there possible to get 'dropdown' box to kicker which would have multiple programs |
| 19:55.24 | MinceR | what kind of dropdown? |
| 19:56.24 | Xemanth | like 'system menu' which has home folder, storage media, remote places, users folders |
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| 19:57.01 | MinceR | would Add Application to Panel/.../Add This Menu suffice? |
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| 19:57.57 | Xemanth | ooh :o |
| 19:57.59 | Xemanth | Gentle: |
| 19:58.07 | Xemanth | Gentle: _o/ |
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| 19:58.40 | Xemanth | yeah that works well |
| 19:58.49 | Gentle | yay |
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| 19:59.41 | Xemanth | ups why did i say Gentle :o |
| 19:59.47 | Xemanth | i meant MinceR :D |
| 19:59.55 | Gentle | Xemanth, anyway, thanks for greeting me :> |
| 19:59.56 | MinceR | :) |
| 20:00.11 | t0taln00b | hi :D |
| 20:00.35 | Xemanth | Gentle: ye :) |
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| 20:00.48 | Xemanth | MinceR: thank you that works well, i'm satisfied <3 |
| 20:00.56 | MinceR | yw |
| 20:05.26 | Tonren | Hey MinceR, what do you do about your theme making Konqueror's address bar illegible? |
| 20:06.32 | MinceR | doesn't do that here |
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| 20:07.00 | MinceR | maybe it keeps using the white background and the foreground from the colorset |
| 20:07.04 | MinceR | or the other way around? |
| 20:07.24 | MinceR | i get such problems in some places, but it's unavoidable with a light-on-dark theme... |
| 20:07.40 | MinceR | unless you make it colorful, but i didn't want to make it colorful |
| 20:08.24 | Tonren | http://inspiranity.com/screenshot.png |
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| 20:09.04 | benJIman | looks perfectly readable here |
| 20:09.12 | benJIman | perhaps you need a monitor with decent contrast |
| 20:09.13 | MinceR | it doesn't seem to use the foreground from the colorset then. i don't know why. |
| 20:09.33 | Tonren | benJIman: I'm talking about Konqueror's address bar - the black on dark gray? |
| 20:09.37 | Tonren | MinceR: Weird. |
| 20:09.49 | MinceR | weird indeed. |
| 20:09.55 | benJIman | Tonren: yes |
| 20:10.07 | benJIman | Tonren: try turning the contrast on your monitor up |
| 20:10.14 | benJIman | It's easily readable here |
| 20:10.28 | Tonren | benJIman: I think you're out of your mind, sir. |
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| 20:10.38 | MinceR | it isn't here, and i have max contrast and minimal brightness :> |
| 20:10.54 | MinceR | (maybe a little more than minimal brightness) |
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| 20:11.01 | benJIman | Tonren: if you can't read that probably your monitor doesn't have a very good contrast ratio |
| 20:11.35 | Tonren | benJIman: I disagree. Everything else has perfectly readable contrast. |
| 20:11.58 | benJIman | That has the least difference, but it is still perfectly legible |
| 20:12.04 | benJIman | even from a distance |
| 20:12.11 | Bille | Tonren: it's very dark here too, and my monitor's sound |
| 20:12.12 | benJIman | I can read it from 2m |
| 20:12.31 | benJIman | It's the same ratio as on the tabs nearly |
| 20:12.40 | benJIman | slightly worse |
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| 20:13.18 | Tonren | benJIman: Well, I can't switch out my monitor because I'm on a laptop. |
| 20:13.30 | Buddha| | Is there an app for making a regular audio CD from mp3's? |
| 20:13.39 | benJIman | ah, laptops usually have low brightness and contrast, to save power |
| 20:14.38 | alaQ | Tonren: you could, but it'd get nasty :) |
| 20:17.01 | benJIman | Buddha|: k3b can handle that fine |
| 20:17.14 | benJIman | you might have to install unbroken version though, if your distro removes the patented mp3 support |
| 20:17.31 | Buddha| | benJIman: ah, that would be it. thanks. |
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| 20:19.30 | schneecrash | hi. i've KDE/OpenSuse_10.2, regularly updated from repo@.../KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_10.2. Recently (??), SessionManager/LogOut button stopped working. Dialog opens, but no shutdown/restart action happens. No errors in syslog, and shutdown via cmd line works ok. |
| 20:19.30 | schneecrash | Known issue? Suggestions? |
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| 20:22.10 | MinceR | this is what it looks like here: http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/shotz/shot-20070118-01-kickoff-konqueror.png |
| 20:22.12 | annma | did you ask in #suse? |
| 20:22.20 | annma | schneecrash: ^^ |
| 20:23.21 | benJIman | schneecrash: beineri looks after that repo |
| 20:23.26 | schneecrash | annma: yup. and was ignored for a couple of days. :-/ colleague suggested i look here ... |
| 20:23.40 | annma | schneecrash: try a new user |
| 20:23.49 | benJIman | schneecrash: The packages are unsupported, but you can file bugs in bugzilla and assign against the right thing |
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| 20:24.42 | benJIman | schneecrash: ahh Bille is here, he's on the maintainer list ¬_¬ |
| 20:24.46 | schneecrash | benJIman: u mean, beineri is in #suse? |
| 20:24.46 | schneecrash | annma hm? |
| 20:24.46 | schneecrash | benJIman sure, assuming i can add enough other than "duzznt work" ... |
| 20:25.09 | schneecrash | benJIman: thx |
| 20:25.10 | schneecrash | Bille knock knock |
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| 20:25.37 | annma | schneecrash: create a new user and see if it happens for him as well |
| 20:25.44 | Bille | schneecrash: |
| 20:25.57 | Bille | (reads up) |
| 20:25.59 | benJIman | Good thing my username isn't bweber |
| 20:26.15 | schneecrash | Bille: (ok) |
| 20:27.02 | schneecrash | Bille: fwiw, happening on 2 different boxes ... so unless i've borked BOTH ... |
| 20:27.02 | Bille | i haven't heard of this problem |
| 20:27.36 | Bille | schneecrash: probably you've installed the same badmix of kde/hal/dbus upgrades and the call fails.. |
| 20:27.50 | Bille | is it only shutdown/restart that fails or also logout? |
| 20:28.36 | schneecrash | Bille: no errors 'fire' ... but, if it helps to know, windows act 'odd'. e.g., Kate's windows can no longer be resized etc etc |
| 20:28.36 | schneecrash | Bille everything fails. i can click any/all of the mgr's Button options ... and the machine just sits. |
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| 20:29.58 | Bille | schneecrash: do the kickoff Leave options also not work? |
| 20:30.34 | schneecrash | Bille: dunno 'kickoff' ... how 2 check? |
| 20:30.49 | Bille | schneecrash: the new k menu |
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| 20:31.18 | schneecrash | Bille: the one with the overly-large, 'fat' chameleon/gecko, yes? ;-) |
| 20:31.33 | schneecrash | checking ... brb |
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| 20:31.53 | Bille | yeah yeah, just diss my work of the last 6 months. it uses a different code path iirc |
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| 20:32.26 | Bille | schneecrash: do you mean that the windows can't be resized because they lose their borders? |
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| 20:32.33 | schneecrash | Bille: er ... ahem ... the gecko is cute? ;-p |
| 20:32.34 | schneecrash | sorry, same issue w/ kickoff cmds ... |
| 20:32.50 | schneecrash | Bille: nope. borders are still there, but can't select/drag them any more. |
| 20:32.56 | Bille | my guess is you've got some app which is rejecting the logout request and blocking the logout |
| 20:33.24 | schneecrash | Bille: believable. how to track it down, though? no errors in logs, afaict :-/ |
| 20:33.37 | Bille | are you running any odd (java for example) applets or non-kde applications |
| 20:33.53 | Bille | they tend to be badly behaved wrt following session management guidelines |
| 20:34.21 | schneecrash | Bille: not that i'm aware of. pretty vanilla,, afaict ... |
| 20:34.44 | Bille | i'd roll it back to the 10.2 kde packages and see if you still have a problem. |
| 20:35.19 | Bille | also, go to a console and check if there isn't a drkonqi running but not showing - that can block logout. |
| 20:35.40 | olegfink | hi! |
| 20:35.48 | olegfink | is there anything like yakuake? |
| 20:35.55 | olegfink | but not it I mean ;) |
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| 20:38.31 | schneecrash | Bille: i lied (apparently); my smart distro repos are |
| 20:38.31 | schneecrash | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.31 | schneecrash | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.32 | schneecrash | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.32 | schneecrash | note, KDE is *disabled* ... hence, i already AM @ kde-distro |
| 20:39.07 | schneecrash | Bille: ps ax | grep drkonqi --> nada. |
| 20:39.30 | Bille | schneecrash: you didn't disable the resource after updating? |
| 20:39.41 | annma | olegfink: something like yakuake but not yakuake? why? |
| 20:40.44 | schneecrash | Bille: nope. it's been off/disabled for awhile ... |
| 20:41.49 | olegfink | annma: it does not support that punky transparency effect |
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| 20:42.20 | annma | olegfink: :O |
| 20:43.06 | olegfink | annma: I'm using kde packages with some patches. And one enabling true transparency with beryl is among them |
| 20:43.13 | olegfink | but it applies to konsole only |
| 20:43.37 | annma | isn't yakuake based on konsole? |
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| 20:44.22 | jworkman | I am a brand new user of linux and would like to know if anyone can help me get myself setup properly. |
| 20:44.23 | workman161 | I think yakuake uses the konsole kpart |
| 20:45.19 | jworkman | Nice name workman! LOL! |
| 20:45.34 | workman161 | and? |
| 20:46.38 | jworkman | Just saying! |
| 20:46.38 | Sho_ | annma: Konsole has some code to spawn an ARGB visual and do true COMPOSITE translucency. It's #if 0'ed by default due to side-effects within Qt. The patch enables that code. It doesn't extend to the kpart, and Yakuake doesn't use an ARGB visual. |
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| 20:46.57 | olegfink | annma: yep, but the thing just doesn't work in yakuake ;( |
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| 20:47.11 | [GALAXY] | oh oleg is back |
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| 20:47.42 | olegfink | [GALAXY]: hi, why my coming back produces "oh"? |
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| 20:50.59 | Sho_ | olegfink: FWIW, it doesn't work for good reasons, for the same it's disabled in Konsole by default - it has reliability side-effects. You'll see out of the box support for COMPOSITE translucency in KDE4. |
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| 20:52.00 | olegfink | Sho_: yeah, well, I'll wait till then not using konsole all the time ;) |
| 20:52.27 | olegfink | Sho_: btw theres a dirty hack to know the originator of the message in konversation |
| 20:52.41 | magicbronson | anyone know if there are any plans to make konsole detect urls like gnome-terminal can? |
| 20:52.59 | Sho_ | magicbronson: Yes, that functionality has been added to the KDE4 development version in the past 10 days |
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| 20:54.00 | magicbronson | Sho_: sweet, thanks |
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| 20:55.13 | t0taln00b | :^) |
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| 20:56.24 | flaccid | can you change resolution without restarting x? |
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| 20:56.58 | Sho_ | flaccid: KControl -> Peripherals -> Display -> Size & Orientation, or "xrandr" on the command line |
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| 20:58.17 | flaccid | hmmm ok i give it a try |
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| 21:01.23 | flaccid | i just changed the display, changed it back and then 5 secs later it changed to the res i tested |
| 21:01.27 | flaccid | bug! |
| 21:01.55 | flaccid | ie. now it says its on 1680x1050, but its actually gone to 1400x1050 |
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| 21:02.10 | foxbunny | hi, again |
| 21:02.46 | foxbunny | I get this when I use KDE Printer Control Module: "Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: the IPP request failed for an unknown reason" |
| 21:03.35 | Renze | flaccid: since the kcontrol module is just a frontend for xrandr, any suspected bug will be an X bug. please take the problem to #xorg |
| 21:03.51 | flaccid | i disagree |
| 21:03.55 | Renze | why? |
| 21:04.09 | Renze | you're blaming a GUI? |
| 21:04.16 | flaccid | yes without merit :) |
| 21:04.19 | sredna | foxbunny: I had that at some point too, and I learned that setting the hostname for the local cups service to 127.0.0.1 fixed it |
| 21:04.25 | flaccid | i expect it to monitor the resolution after the change |
| 21:04.26 | flaccid | hehe |
| 21:04.28 | flaccid | j/k |
| 21:04.29 | Renze | ah, user stupidity knows no bounds |
| 21:04.30 | Blissex | foxbunny: thanks for letting us know :-) |
| 21:04.42 | flaccid | i'm just playin Renze |
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| 21:04.50 | foxbunny | sredna: how did you set it? where? |
| 21:04.53 | Renze | flaccid: I'm too grumpy to play |
| 21:05.00 | flaccid | bugs force users back to windows :( |
| 21:05.05 | flaccid | yeah me too actually sorry heh |
| 21:05.18 | foxbunny | Blissex: no probs. :D |
| 21:05.18 | sredna | foxbunny: Anywhere you can access the printer server properties |
| 21:05.26 | Renze | flaccid: back to windows for more bugs? |
| 21:05.49 | Blissex | foxbunny: the IRC convention in support channels is that you ask _questions_ :-) |
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| 21:05.53 | flaccid | nah i wont' go back, but newbies always do coz they can't get their shit done |
| 21:06.00 | flaccid | it shits me to tears |
| 21:06.05 | flaccid | so i don't promote linux anymore |
| 21:06.25 | foxbunny | Blissex: oh... even if the question is implied? |
| 21:06.25 | Blissex | foxbunny: however as others have indicated, you need to put in the proper address of a CUPS server, which often is the one on your own PC, so 127.0.0.1 |
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| 21:06.32 | Renze | flaccid: fyi, I just tried changing resolution, and it worked flawlessly. |
| 21:06.52 | Blissex | foxbunny: Freenode is supposed to be a dry, direct, to-the-point network... |
| 21:07.20 | foxbunny | Blissex: okay, so you are an idealist.... point taken. :D |
| 21:07.22 | flaccid | Renze: worked second time for me. it could still be a bug becuase of course it reverts if you don't press keep. i had press kept so maybe the boolean change failed there |
| 21:07.26 | flaccid | second time was fine |
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| 21:09.45 | foxbunny | sredna: Nope, didn't work... same error... |
| 21:10.23 | sredna | foxbunny: You may need to restart the service. May I ask which distro you are using? |
| 21:10.37 | foxbunny | Arch Linux |
| 21:10.58 | foxbunny | It's similar to Slackware, if that helps... |
| 21:12.26 | foxbunny | sredna: I've restarted Apache *and* Cups, but I get the same thing... the host was set from Print Manager > Configure... to be either one of the listed values in /etc/hosts... but that doesn't work |
| 21:12.56 | foxbunny | I used to be able to just type localhost:631 in the Konqueror's address bar, but that doesn't work either. I get 404s... |
| 21:13.01 | sredna | foxbunny: The bug was that you should explicitly use the IP instead of a hostname |
| 21:13.13 | sredna | foxbunny: In the common case, "127.0.0.1" |
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| 21:13.16 | thiago | foxbunny: fix your CUPS |
| 21:13.22 | thiago | is it running? |
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| 21:13.28 | foxbunny | I did that too, but didn't work, so I used everything that I could think of... |
| 21:13.38 | foxbunny | thiago: yes it is running |
| 21:13.52 | thiago | foxbunny: is it listening on port 631? |
| 21:14.33 | foxbunny | thiago: I'm not sure... do I ping 631? |
| 21:14.33 | thiago | you can't ping a port |
| 21:14.33 | thiago | anyways, it's CUPS fault if you get a 404 |
| 21:14.33 | LiquidNerd_ | not with that attitude you can't |
| 21:14.37 | foxbunny | I guessed as much... but what do I do... |
| 21:14.41 | thiago | 404 means Konqueror asked for a page, but CUPS said none was available |
| 21:14.54 | foxbunny | thiago: I know |
| 21:15.07 | LiquidNerd_ | foxbunny: how do you know it's running? |
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| 21:15.19 | thiago | LiquidNerd_: if it weren't running, he'd get a Connection Refused error. |
| 21:15.34 | foxbunny | LiquidNerd_: well, to be more specific, I know it's started |
| 21:16.00 | LiquidNerd_ | true... foxbunn run `netstat -l|grep 631` |
| 21:16.06 | sredna | thiago: It' |
| 21:16.11 | foxbunny | thiago: Ha! It's working now... |
| 21:16.22 | sredna | S a known issue on some systems, including kubuntu >= dapper |
| 21:16.32 | foxbunny | thiago: I can connect to it from Konqueror now... just restarted twice in a row or something... |
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| 21:17.03 | foxbunny | but I still can't access it from KDE Control Center |
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| 21:20.14 | Tonglebeak | i have a problem with kde's trash |
| 21:20.25 | Tonglebeak | everytime i try emptying the trash, everything clears, but this comes up |
| 21:20.26 | Tonglebeak | http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/81/bahvr9.jpg |
| 21:20.38 | Tonglebeak | and the trash icon still indicates there's trash in there... |
| 21:20.54 | Tonglebeak | 3.5.5 amd64 |
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| 21:22.08 | inimesekene | hello how can i chang what button yakuake uses to show up? |
| 21:22.42 | Shaman` | tongle... seems likely that teh file *is* broken somehow |
| 21:22.57 | [GALAXY] | inimesekene: thats not kde related. |
| 21:23.20 | pinotree | [GALAXY]: ?? |
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| 21:23.51 | Shaman` | urp |
| 21:23.58 | [GALAXY] | pinotree: is yakuake part of kde default packages ? |
| 21:24.04 | thiago | yakuake is in extragear |
| 21:24.13 | [GALAXY] | oh. ok.. sorry then.. my bad.. |
| 21:24.23 | pinotree | inimesekene: open yakuake, click on the button on the center (the arrow toward the bottom) of the group on the right, and select configure access key from the menu |
| 21:24.27 | thiago | I've just checked |
| 21:24.39 | Tonglebeak | hmm lemme try something...i'll create an empty file with that name and see what that does... |
| 21:24.49 | [GALAXY] | whats so special about yakuake ? |
| 21:25.09 | inimesekene | pinotree, i can't even get it to show up, kerry beagle has control over the default f12 key |
| 21:25.27 | foxbunny | [GALAXY]: you won't know if it is special unless you try it... |
| 21:25.45 | [GALAXY] | i dont use kde here.. |
| 21:25.48 | Renze | thiago: it's a terminal that's always there, and it slides down from the top of the screen |
| 21:25.49 | pinotree | inimesekene: put |
| 21:25.51 | pinotree | [Global Shortcuts] |
| 21:25.51 | pinotree | AccessKey=Shift+F9 |
| 21:25.58 | foxbunny | [GALAXY]: imho, it's neat but ultimately useless... |
| 21:25.59 | Tonglebeak | no didn't help :( |
| 21:25.59 | thiago | Renze: Konsole does that too |
| 21:26.01 | pinotree | in your .kde/share/config/yakuakerc |
| 21:26.10 | Renze | thiago: is konsole always running? |
| 21:26.15 | thiago | Renze: mine is |
| 21:26.18 | pinotree | of course, replace Shift+F9 with your keycombo |
| 21:26.22 | thiago | Renze: I have in fact three Konsole running |
| 21:26.35 | Renze | thiago: do they slide off your screen when you're not using them? |
| 21:26.36 | thiago | Renze: one for IRC (3 tabs), one for my general shells and one for the root shell |
| 21:26.55 | [GALAXY] | its a very very hard process for me going from gnome to kde... i tried many times.. even got stuck on kde for many many months... my longest was 7-8 months or so on kde and then always stuck back to gnome due to my own developments.. but now it came to an total halt... time to switch to kde again i think.. i finally gave up my projects for gnome. |
| 21:26.56 | foxbunny | cya guys, thx for all the help |
| 21:26.56 | thiago | Renze: the root shell one is rolled up the top of the screen. To access it, all I need to do is bump the mouse up. |
| 21:27.04 | thiago | Renze: when I'm done, I move the mouse away. |
| 21:27.20 | [GALAXY] | thiago: nice. |
| 21:27.30 | [GALAXY] | try 'godmode' |
| 21:27.31 | [GALAXY] | in it :) |
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| 21:31.21 | ma3x | is it possible that KMail would freeze the system while automatically checking for new mail? |
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| 21:31.45 | sredna | ma3x: It freezes itself |
| 21:32.00 | LiquidNerd_ | [GALAXY]: hehe.. I have "iddqd" as an alias for su |
| 21:32.03 | ma3x | no, my system freezes! |
| 21:32.09 | ma3x | I have to do hard restart |
| 21:32.18 | ma3x | I can't even kill X windows |
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| 21:32.20 | ma3x | everything blocks |
| 21:32.27 | [GALAXY] | ma3x: what distro |
| 21:32.41 | ma3x | [GALAXY]: debian unstable |
| 21:32.51 | [GALAXY] | see "unstable".. explains all |
| 21:32.57 | [GALAXY] | ;) |
| 21:32.58 | ma3x | oh come on |
| 21:33.03 | ma3x | your nick explains it all |
| 21:33.12 | [GALAXY] | whats up with my nick ? |
| 21:33.12 | ma3x | you are wise as a galaxy |
| 21:33.25 | Renze | I don't get it |
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| 21:43.56 | mattjeet | hey! i've got a webcam on /dev/video0 that works in freebsd but kopete isn't showing it in the dropdown for webcam |
| 21:44.06 | mattjeet | is there a config file where i can place it in there? |
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| 21:53.34 | tuxedup | can anyone suggest any good monitors for kde for notebook specific things. I am unable to find a working/good battery monitor, klaptop is a pai in the back side. I only have kima at present for monitoring cpue temp etc |
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| 21:54.35 | pinotree | tuxedup: try kpowersave |
| 21:54.55 | tuxedup | pinotree: looked at it, buts complaining about dcop permissions |
| 21:55.19 | pinotree | maybe you are not in the plugdev group? |
| 21:55.52 | phlux | why does KDE have a tea cooker? :o |
| 21:56.07 | Renze | because tea is very good for you |
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| 21:56.34 | phlux | lol.. |
| 21:56.50 | phlux | had I known pkg_add -rv kde was going to install a tea cooker, I might not have done it. |
| 21:56.59 | qupada | and if you leave tea brewing too long it spoils it' |
| 21:57.19 | tuxedup | pinotree: it says 'you are not permitted to connect to powersvae deamon via dbus. please check your dbus config and installation' |
| 21:57.49 | tuxedup | pinotree: and I am in plugdev |
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| 22:00.30 | Zenspirit | kjh |
| 22:00.55 | pinotree | Zenspirit: kjh to you too ;) |
| 22:01.24 | pinotree | tuxedup: weird, no idea (no laptop here, sorry :-/ ) |
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| 22:19.17 | litb | tuxedup should have modified his /etc/dbus-1/system.d/powersave.conf file... sad that he left the chan |
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| 22:26.52 | alesan | hi |
| 22:27.00 | alesan | is there a chronometer program in kde? |
| 22:27.34 | [GALAXY] | a clock ? |
| 22:27.37 | benJIman | There's one in the bottom right |
| 22:27.39 | [GALAXY] | there are dozens of clocks for kde. |
| 22:27.39 | alesan | mh |
| 22:27.53 | alesan | I want to click, the time starts, and then click again, the time stops |
| 22:28.02 | [GALAXY] | aggg |
| 22:28.06 | [GALAXY] | ahh |
| 22:28.09 | Renze | oh, a stopwatch |
| 22:28.10 | [GALAXY] | alesan: www.kde-apps.org |
| 22:28.12 | alesan | how is it called in english :) |
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| 22:28.17 | alesan | stopwatch right :) |
| 22:28.20 | mariux | whats a chronometer? |
| 22:28.27 | Renze | chronometer == clock |
| 22:28.33 | Renze | meter of time |
| 22:28.40 | pinotree | ktimer? |
| 22:28.49 | mariux | nice, im gonna use that next time i wanna know what the time is |
| 22:28.50 | [GALAXY] | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=48810 |
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| 22:29.25 | alesan | a chronometer is not a clock... it's a stopwatch |
| 22:29.36 | Renze | in english, a chronometer is a clock |
| 22:29.38 | benJIman | alesan: no, chrono = time, meter = measures |
| 22:29.44 | alesan | I am sure chronometer can be used in english as well |
| 22:29.46 | SimAtWork | sounds like a clock to me. |
| 22:29.46 | benJIman | ie a clock |
| 22:29.51 | [GALAXY] | chrono == time ... meter == measuring (or something) |
| 22:29.55 | alesan | Lt Cmdr Data uses this word pretty often] |
| 22:29.57 | [GALAXY] | so its a time measurer.. |
| 22:30.00 | [GALAXY] | basicly a clock. |
| 22:30.01 | aseigo | a chronometer is a timepiece |
| 22:30.10 | Mez | a clock doesnt measure time ? |
| 22:30.13 | mariux | This term refers to a precision watch that is tested in various temperatures and positions, thus meeting the accuracy standards set by an official institute in Switzerland. Most watch companies provide a certificate with your chronometer purchase. |
| 22:30.14 | Mez | since when |
| 22:30.17 | SimAtWork | aseigo: ! |
| 22:30.25 | [GALAXY] | my time is 2 meters long :) |
| 22:30.25 | aseigo | canllaith: you know how i like it |
| 22:30.30 | mariux | A watch which has passed stringent tests at an official watch testing centre and carries a certificate. |
| 22:30.31 | canllaith | ;) |
| 22:30.33 | [GALAXY] | ;) |
| 22:30.35 | mariux | it says it can be a watch |
| 22:30.50 | benJIman | chronometer just means something that measures time |
| 22:31.19 | benJIman | The word doesn't imply any level of accuracy |
| 22:31.19 | aseigo | mariux: yes, that's a certified chronometer; the english word chronometer doesn't carry only that meaning, though the implication is that its precise, eys =) |
| 22:31.20 | [GALAXY] | time is a human created thing.. to measure something.. |
| 22:31.21 | aseigo | benJIman: actually, it does... |
| 22:31.26 | mattjeet | hey guys, i've got my usb webcam working under freebsd at /dev/video. kopete doesn't auto-detect. is there some config file for kopete that i can take a look at to possibly add it? |
| 22:31.28 | [GALAXY] | maybe our imagination of time is wrong.. who knows.. |
| 22:31.32 | aseigo | benJIman: it -can- refer to any time device, but the implication is precision. |
| 22:31.35 | aseigo | http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=chronometer |
| 22:31.38 | Renze | time was created by man to measure entropy |
| 22:31.39 | [GALAXY] | maybe a day hasn't 24 hrs.. but maybe 20 seconds.. who knows.. |
| 22:31.46 | mariux | my clock is alot better than yours, its atleast twice as fast |
| 22:31.52 | [GALAXY] | why does a day have 24 hrs and not 25 ? |
| 22:31.52 | benJIman | pft, refer to a real dictionary |
| 22:32.05 | aseigo | benJIman: hehe |
| 22:32.32 | [GALAXY] | mariux: that means that kde 4 will be released faster for you than for us :) |
| 22:32.35 | aseigo | [GALAXY]: http://homepage.mac.com/pete.boardman/24hourclock/history.html |
| 22:32.49 | alesan | benJIman, the word "cronometro" has a very special meaning in italian, and it's not "clock" but "stopwatch" |
| 22:32.51 | aseigo | [GALAXY]: or slower =) |
| 22:33.05 | mariux | maybe aseigo should take a trip in a space ship moving at almost the speed of light |
| 22:33.06 | benJIman | chronometer is an English word |
| 22:33.07 | alesan | I don't really think "chronometer" is an english-derived word :) |
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| 22:33.12 | mariux | or no, that would make it slower :( |
| 22:33.20 | aseigo | alesan: yeah, we like to borrow words, generalize them and otherwise bastardize them into a confusing mess =) |
| 22:33.23 | benJIman | And OED says an instrument for measuring time, a time measurer |
| 22:33.48 | alesan | anyway |
| 22:33.55 | mariux | alesan: :) |
| 22:33.56 | alesan | is there such a stopwatch in kde? |
| 22:33.59 | mariux | haha |
| 22:34.07 | mariux | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=48810 |
| 22:34.15 | aseigo | horologist? |
| 22:34.38 | aseigo | yeah, that's it.. horologist |
| 22:35.34 | aseigo | alesan: karm? |
| 22:35.41 | mariux | i see on my chronometer that its time to go to bed |
| 22:35.43 | aseigo | i guess depending on what you want to time... |
| 22:36.01 | alesan | aseigo, the time a device needs to boot |
| 22:36.04 | [GALAXY] | alesan: i already posted a link... |
| 22:36.09 | [GALAXY] | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=48810 |
| 22:36.34 | alesan | [GALAXY], ok sorry sorry |
| 22:36.46 | alesan | [GALAXY], I saw that already at the beginning |
| 22:37.01 | aseigo | alesan: karm does "click to start, click to stop" |
| 22:37.02 | alesan | it would have been good to know something "already" installed or at least available in portage |
| 22:37.07 | aseigo | alesan: it might work for you... |
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| 22:37.22 | aseigo | alesan: karm comes with kde in kdepim |
| 22:37.32 | alesan | aseigo, I have karm |
| 22:37.37 | alesan | thank to everybody |
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| 22:38.30 | lnxnt | what is krfcommd good for? It is occupying my port I guess, I can't connect |
| 22:39.17 | aseigo | lnxnt: it's a kernel process, not a kde one =) |
| 22:39.31 | aseigo | lnxnt: apparently it manages RFCOMM connections |
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| 22:42.07 | lnxnt | aseigo: I have rfcomm for that |
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| 22:42.40 | mariux | nice how you can do calculations in the alt+f2 dialog |
| 22:45.39 | SimAtWork | mariux: it doesn't seem to work all the time though |
| 22:46.20 | SimAtWork | and i wish you could create and store variables |
| 22:47.32 | SimAtWork | is that what messes it up? |
| 22:47.41 | SimAtWork | no that works |
| 22:47.53 | SimAtWork | i just know every once in a while i go in and it comes up and says 12349-3494 cannot be found |
| 22:47.55 | SimAtWork | or something like that |
| 22:48.21 | Jucato | when I do 13/3, I get a whole number... |
| 22:49.09 | SimAtWork | i get 4.33333333 |
| 22:49.34 | benJIman | Jucato: it didn't do floating point until recently I believe, are you using a recent version? |
| 22:49.42 | SimAtWork | using 3.5.5 |
| 22:49.56 | Jucato | benJIman: compiled from svn |
| 22:50.05 | benJIman | Perhaps there's a suse patch to fix that, heh, /me investigates |
| 22:50.30 | Renze | works fine in gentoo too |
| 22:50.40 | Jucato | weird... |
| 22:50.49 | benJIman | I remember it didn't work in the past though |
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| 22:52.21 | asyd | Hello. |
| 22:52.45 | asyd | I'm wondering if there is simple way to share a directory in read/write access from a single user |
| 22:52.58 | asyd | i.e. the same than kpf, but with upload capacity |
| 22:53.50 | thiago | no KDE tool for that |
| 22:54.03 | asyd | ok. that what I guess :/ |
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| 22:54.18 | asyd | anyone interest by develop webdav support to kpf :) |
| 22:55.24 | Sho_ | asyd: If you're looking to hire someone, I think there's a kde-jobs ml |
| 22:56.42 | asyd | hmmm not hire for a full time, but why not for this feature |
| 22:56.46 | asyd | thanks for the pointer |
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| 23:14.11 | Mez | any web designers in here that are borer ? |
| 23:14.14 | Mez | bored * |
| 23:14.33 | Mez | and want to make a website for katapult ;) |
| 23:14.55 | AlexElliott | Nope, I suck at design, I'm a markup/backend sorta guy :) |
| 23:15.26 | Mez | AlexElliott, sam,e here ;) |
| 23:16.05 | Xerion | oh wow, just like me ;) |
| 23:16.42 | Jucato | :P |
| 23:16.48 | Jucato | and I thought I was unique :) |
| 23:17.08 | AlexElliott | Nope, you suck at being unique ;-) |
| 23:17.17 | Jucato | heh |
| 23:18.01 | Xerion | hehe |
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| 23:39.30 | BrianSteffens | [debian etch / kde 3.5.5] - is there a way to change the grid by which desktop icons are arranged? |
| 23:41.17 | BrianSteffens | i want it smaller :) |
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| 23:49.34 | nondysjunction | hello. How do i change the default apps for various filetypes, etcetera? |
| 23:50.10 | pinotree | kde control center -> kde components -> file associtations, nondysjunction |
| 23:50.19 | BrianSteffens | kmenu->settings->kde components-file associations |
| 23:50.21 | Kyral | pinotree: Beat me to it |
| 23:50.29 | BrianSteffens | me too :( |
| 23:50.30 | Kyral | Anyone use kdesvn-build before? |
| 23:50.33 | nondysjunction | pinotree: thanks, i found it too. :) |
| 23:52.00 | Renze | kinky |
| 23:52.17 | Kyral | Unfortunately the SVN checkout is taking a while... |
| 23:52.25 | Kyral | and lagging me a small amount |
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| 23:56.40 | Dhraakellian | y'know, I think I figured out what *nix/X11's killer app is |
| 23:56.53 | Kyral | Beryl? |
| 23:56.58 | Dhraakellian | and I dare anyone to argue with my conclusion |
| 23:57.04 | Dhraakellian | no, xkill |
| 23:57.24 | mathieu | ouch |
| 23:57.37 | Kyral | yah and I'm lagging like hell |
| 23:57.40 | Dhraakellian | ctrl+alt+esc can be nice |
| 23:57.44 | Kyral | Damn you SVN Checkout! |
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