irclog2html for #kde on 20061231

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`00:03.51`	`trpr`	`can't`
`00:04.40`	`tyme_`	`is there a way to download the new kde kicker from suse 10.2 ?`
`00:05.31`	`intrade`	`kiecker bar?`
`00:05.40`	`intrade`	`kicker`
`00:05.49`	`pinotree`	`kickoff you mean?`
`00:06.00`	`intrade`	`kiker is the task bar`
`00:06.07`	`intrade`	`of kde`
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`00:06.18`	`pinotree`	`intrade: kicker is the panel of kde`
`00:06.19`	`intrade`	`spelled correct however not like i did`
`00:06.25`	`pinotree`	`the task bar is just an applet`
`00:06.32`	`intrade`	`yea`
`00:06.35`	`tyme_`	`kickoff yea`
`00:06.38`	`trpr`	`who knows. i step away for a couple months and all the software has changed names on me :\`
`00:06.58`	`pinotree`	`tyme_: it's on kde svn, branches/work/suse_kickoff`
`00:07.06`	`tyme_`	`thanks =]`
`00:07.12`	`intrade`	`i tell you one thing i had suse 9.1 for 10 minutes installe befor i nuked the crap off again`
`00:07.38`	`intrade`	`and now that novel sold samba to m$ bastards i boycot suse where ever`
`00:07.48`	`Kasyx`	`O.O`
`00:07.53`	`Kasyx`	`They sold samba?`
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`00:08.04`	`tyme_`	`opensuse is a great distro`
`00:08.25`	`intrade`	`yea developer left novel becouse of it it violates the gpl`
`00:08.34`	`tyme_`	`although im leaning towards ubuntu now`
`00:08.47`	`intrade`	`use propper dabian`
`00:08.49`	`tyme_`	`when did that happen?`
`00:08.57`	`intrade`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:09.06`	`tyme_`	`i installed debian and within 5 minutes i reinstalled suse`
`00:09.09`	`Kasyx`	`Damnit. Got any links?`
`00:09.16`	`Kasyx`	`tyme_: tried gentoo?`
`00:09.20`	`tyme_`	`nope`
`00:09.29`	`tyme_`	`ive only tried suse, mandrake, debian`
`00:09.32`	`trpr`	`intrade: wow that sucks. gpl keeps getting eaten away it.. it needs a court victory bad`
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`00:11.45`	`intrade`	`Kasyx: just google it loads about it`
`00:11.46`	`Kasyx`	`trpr: but then people like Sun come along and open up Java. I can't remember if it's a gpl or not though`
`00:11.58`	`Kasyx`	`intrade: I just tried. I got tonnes of amazon links for books on samba ;-P`
`00:12.16`	`intrade`	`what the hell do you use loo`
`00:12.18`	`intrade`	`l`
`00:12.30`	`intrade`	`i use the google on my icewesle browser`
`00:12.31`	`kirun`	`Java is going to be GPL, maybe with an exemption to ensure people can still license their Java programs how they want`
`00:12.33`	`intrade`	`http://slashdot.org/articles/06/11/12/1832208.shtml`
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`00:12.47`	`intrade`	`thats 1 of loads that poped`
`00:13.55`	`Kasyx`	`intrade: I used the google search engine. (How many ways are there to google? :-P)`
`00:13.56`	`intrade`	`i found when i am loged in on yahoo mail i get better search results as on google`
`00:14.10`	`intrade`	`maybe hav to be on gmail for google to get better ones :P`
`00:14.12`	`trpr`	`intrade: hopefully someone w/ the money will take all of that to court`
`00:14.33`	`intrade`	`well the theave bill gates has more money`
`00:14.47`	`Kasyx`	`So that means no open source smb package?`
`00:15.00`	`trpr`	`we just need enough for jonny cochran and the chewbacca defense`
`00:15.00`	`intrade`	`seen pirates of silicone valley movie`
`00:15.43`	`intrade`	`i read somwhere that MS purchsed samba becouse they got no idea how there own system works and others have figured it out for them`
`00:16.07`	`Kasyx`	`intrade: that doesn't surprise me. I mean how old is smb now?`
`00:16.15`	`Kasyx`	`What kind of staff turnover must they have had?`
`00:16.31`	`trpr`	`right. all the original developers are long retired... the code is probably so ugly no one new wants to look at it`
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`00:17.02`	`DeathDealer`	`has anyone connected a hdtv to kde yet`
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`00:17.50`	`Kasyx`	`In saying that, samba isn't exactly 100% anyway :-(`
`00:17.50`	`Kasyx`	`NFS ftw`
`00:17.51`	`intrade`	`here the original i found`
`00:17.55`	`intrade`	`http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/54878.html`
`00:18.07`	`Kasyx`	`Cheers intrade reads`
`00:18.08`	`Renze`	`DeathDealer: that has nothing to do with KDE and everything to do with X`
`00:18.54`	`DeathDealer`	`x.org then`
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`00:19.41`	`intrade`	`hi Terminator`
`00:22.25`	`intrade`	`this guy was also pissed of when i told him about samba`
`00:22.28`	`intrade`	`http://rebelhomicide.demon.nl/index.cgi`
`00:22.44`	`intrade`	`he makes infobash scripts`
`00:23.14`	`oGALAXYo`	`heh`
`00:23.31`	`intrade`	`?`
`00:23.37`	`oGALAXYo`	`its written there, so it must be true.`
`00:23.47`	`intrade`	`what?`
`00:24.09`	`oGALAXYo`	`ms bought samba`
`00:24.19`	`intrade`	`they did google it`
`00:24.37`	`intrade`	`scroll up i posted other links also`
`00:24.40`	`oGALAXYo`	`well i wasnt following it..`
`00:24.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`heh`
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`00:25.19`	`trpr`	`bleh. companies are run by suits who only care about money.. i wonder whose brainchild it was to remove obex from verizon wireless phones. poor decision makers. it angers me too`
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`00:26.19`	`intrade`	`yea its called greed trpr`
`00:27.16`	`trpr`	`intrade: this quote about "on the side of passionate this, passinoate that".. really gets to me.. seems to imply anyone without any sort of ethic and a passion for that ethic isn't worth their time`
`00:27.45`	`trpr`	`with any sort of ethic.. been reversing my meanings all morning :\`
`00:28.14`	`Kasyx`	`intrade: they haven't sold samba to MS. "Basically, it may appear to a business choosing a OS for their servers that choosing, say, RedHat or Ubuntu is a legal risk, since Novell offers protection from Microsoft's patents to their customers." (quote from a friend)`
`00:30.29`	`trpr`	`so its just a bunch of FUD.. buy Novell, you will be safe from legal action`
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`00:31.17`	`benJIman`	`Novell does't offer protection from Microsoft patents to their customers.`
`00:31.18`	`intrade`	`yea its how bill operates seen pirate of silicone valley/`
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`00:36.18`	`tyme_`	`the suse_kickoff in the svn isn't the new 10.2 -- still 10.1 =[`
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`00:47.36`	`moshii`	`has anyone else using scim noticed that input randomly dies?`
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`01:03.58`	`Steven_M_`	`does anyone here use kppp?`
`01:04.10`	`aztek`	`in Kubuntu 6.10 how can i make my kicker transparent`
`01:04.30`	`thiago`	`right-click it, Configure Panel, Appearance`
`01:04.50`	`olegfink`	`Steven_M_: used to`
`01:05.09`	`aztek`	`oh duh. i overlooked it`
`01:05.34`	`aztek`	`i feel like a noob. thanks`
`01:05.53`	`Renze`	`moshii: neighbour with an unencrypted router?`
`01:06.01`	`moshii`	`indeed`
`01:06.09`	`Renze`	`foolish mortals ;)`
`01:06.15`	`olegfink`	`eh what a good neighbour`
`01:06.23`	`Kasyx`	`Are there any kde apps for exploring the wireless area for connections?`
`01:06.35`	`olegfink`	`KWifiManager?`
`01:06.37`	`moshii`	`I moved to spain and speak no spanish so it's the only way i can get it haha`
`01:06.43`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`Kasyx, what olegfink said`
`01:06.47`	`moshii`	`Kasyx: konsole and aircrack-ng`
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`01:06.56`	`Kasyx`	`olegfink: sweet :-D`
`01:07.08`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`moshii, i cant get aircrack-ng to work with atheros or madwifi`
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`01:07.31`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: buy a cheap ralink usb dongle, you need one for packet injection etc :P`
`01:07.48`	`kirun`	`Buy a shiny portable Wi-Fi detector (also known as Nintendo DS) :)`
`01:08.03`	`Kasyx`	`Hah`
`01:08.11`	`moshii`	`kirun: DS only works for about 30ft`
`01:08.17`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`moshii, worried about those cheap usb wifi cards not havin linux support`
`01:08.39`	`moshii`	`gpsd, kismet and google earth .. :P`
`01:09.25`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: the ralinks based cards a A: cheap B: supported on linux without firmware and with packet injection etc`
`01:09.51`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`moshii, got a url for product page pls ?`
`01:10.19`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]:`
`01:10.22`	`moshii`	`sorry`
`01:10.30`	`moshii`	`http://ralink.rapla.net/`
`01:10.39`	`moshii`	`that's a list of ralink based devices`
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`01:11.12`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`wonder if they sell these in dubai`
`01:11.18`	`ytoox`	`whoever had experience installing milkesque for baghira. I install the pixmaps as the README says but this doesn't make any change to the baghira style`
`01:11.18`	`Kasyx`	`Arse, need to configure my wireless card :-( Never had any luck with that in the past`
`01:11.25`	`ytoox`	`can you help me?`
`01:11.35`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: what's milkesque?`
`01:11.39`	`ytoox`	`here`
`01:11.40`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: I got one in Gibraltar.. one of the most backwards places on earth :P`
`01:11.43`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`oh its a chipset... lots of companies selling those`
`01:12.05`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: yeah :)`
`01:12.20`	`ytoox`	`http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=30789`
`01:12.40`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`moshii, so any of these will work yea ?`
`01:13.09`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: yeah, the rt25xx drivers are mature`
`01:13.11`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`but RT5201 USB is best usb one ?`
`01:13.26`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: oooh that is nice!`
`01:13.37`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: I think the usb devices are 2570 or something`
`01:13.47`	`ytoox`	`isn't it?`
`01:14.06`	`Kasyx`	`We wunts it, it's our precioussss.`
`01:14.09`	`ytoox`	`I love it, and I've had it working before, but now I don't know what's going on`
`01:14.19`	`Steven_M_`	`olegfink: hand the error "Removelock" when it can't open the modem device?`
`01:14.28`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`moshii, oo not according to the page :/`
`01:14.33`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: I think the nintendo ds wifi access usb dongle is ralink based if you want an easy solution`
`01:14.36`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: I'm going to try and poke it I think. Do I need to install baghira first?`
`01:15.23`	`ytoox`	`yes`
`01:15.31`	`ytoox`	`definetively`
`01:15.38`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ -- best page to read`
`01:15.44`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`moshii, and more expensive that a usual one heh`
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`01:15.53`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: ah, heh, I did that. Forgot, must have been one of the first things I did`
`01:15.57`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: yup :'(`
`01:16.02`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: then just follow the install instructions on kde-look?`
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`01:17.58`	`ytoox`	`yeah`
`01:18.08`	`ytoox`	`download the tar.gz`
`01:18.09`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: does the font come with it?`
`01:18.27`	`ytoox`	`nop`
`01:18.29`	`ytoox`	`sorry`
`01:18.37`	`Kasyx`	`Arf. Know what the font is?`
`01:18.44`	`ytoox`	`I tried looking for it, but you gotta pay for it`
`01:18.53`	`ytoox`	`handelgotd`
`01:19.03`	`ytoox`	`HandelGotD`
`01:20.32`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`moshii, RT2500USB card yea ?`
`01:20.59`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: which?`
`01:21.38`	`Steven_M_`	`olegfink: ????`
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`01:22.09`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: Conceptronic C54RU -- is the one I used to have, worked lovely under Debian/Aircrack`
`01:22.14`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: you want it?`
`01:22.38`	`ytoox`	`I got baghira installed already, what I can't apply is the milkesque patch`
`01:22.58`	`ytoox`	`join /compiz`
`01:23.06`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: other way round ;-)`
`01:23.20`	`moshii`	`isn't everyone using beryl these days?`
`01:23.21`	`ytoox`	`mm?`
`01:23.43`	`ytoox`	`moshii: I am`
`01:24.11`	`ytoox`	`Kasy: kool`
`01:24.16`	`Kasyx`	`I want to`
`01:24.22`	`Kasyx`	`That's next on my list`
`01:24.30`	`Kasyx`	`Now that I know amarok was causing the issues I had.`
`01:24.36`	`JamesB192`	`not me.`
`01:24.42`	`moshii`	`got it working here in debian/unstable fine, slow though`
`01:24.49`	`Kasyx`	`I'm not sure whether to use aiglx, xgl or nvidia though`
`01:25.34`	`ytoox`	`Kasyx: were you able to install baghira and the milkesque patch?`
`01:25.40`	`moshii`	`I thought everyone was dropping xgl because novel were being childish`
`01:26.03`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: just about to install milkesque. I couldn't download the colour-scheme from kde-look, does that matter?`
`01:26.50`	`ytoox`	`ok, I'll be waiting`
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`01:28.22`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`moshii, cool thanks i will check out which one i can get`
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`01:29.19`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: you should get the drivers linked from the aircrack wiki, that way you can do naugthy things like arp replaying`
`01:29.55`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`ahaha`
`01:30.07`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`so is ralink the best one to get for it ?`
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`01:30.36`	`moshii`	`I did a demo to someone at work, 20 minutes to capture enough data using arp replays, 3 seconds to reverse the key.. :P`
`01:31.10`	`moshii`	`it's the best all round card, cheap, supported, and is hackable`
`01:31.26`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`nice`
`01:31.44`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`thanks for the suggestion`
`01:32.00`	`Steven_M_`	`is there a chat room for modem problems under linux?`
`01:32.04`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]`	`moshii, good nite for now will try get one when i wake up`
`01:32.17`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: gotta support companies that don't use stupid firmware haven't we ;)`
`01:32.22`	`moshii`	`FaeLLe[gentoo]: take it easy`
`01:32.35`	`oGALAXYo`	`Steven_M_: #linux but try using minicom it might help you`
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`01:35.22`	`ytoox`	`Kasyx: how did it go?`
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`01:36.18`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: I found milk under the baghira I've got, but it's not as good. Just about to install now`
`01:37.10`	`ytoox`	`I don't like baghira milk as much as milkesque`
`01:37.23`	`oGALAXYo`	`baghira milk ?`
`01:37.25`	`oGALAXYo`	`link`
`01:38.00`	`Steven_M_`	`oGALAXYo: minicom?`
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`01:38.07`	`oGALAXYo`	`Steven_M_: yes..`
`01:38.27`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: I can't find my baghira folder o.o`
`01:38.43`	`CVirus`	`oGALAXYo: how is life going with you ?`
`01:38.45`	`oGALAXYo`	`Steven_M_: all you need is minicom for linux... and serial port support inside the kernel.. thats it.. nothing special... no crappy device drivers or whatever..`
`01:38.48`	`JamesB192`	`a console based terminal program.`
`01:38.52`	`oGALAXYo`	`CVirus: thanks i am fine.`
`01:39.18`	`CVirus`	`oGALAXYo: good to hear that`
`01:39.59`	`ytoox`	`you gotta put the pixmaps on the tar.gz that you extracted`
`01:40.24`	`ytoox`	`that is the only place where I was able to find the pixmaps to replace`
`01:40.53`	`oGALAXYo`	`Steven_M_: then start minicom and tell it to use /dev/ttyS0 or ttyS1 depends on the port used.. there you can use normal communication then. like ATZ, ATF, ATD etc..`
`01:41.04`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: there is no pixmaps.h on my system, I just did a slocate`
`01:41.23`	`oGALAXYo`	`install kde and qt developer packages`
`01:41.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`there you find pixmaps.h`
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`01:41.43`	`ytoox`	`yeah, basically you put the new pixmaps into the extracted baghira folder and then do the replacement`
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`01:42.59`	`Steven_M_`	`so minicom is a basic dailing program olegfink?`
`01:43.29`	`oGALAXYo`	`Steven_M_: minicom is a terminal program.`
`01:44.04`	`oGALAXYo`	`Steven_M_: i thought you needed some regular help in getting things gone.. i have no time explaining everything in detail, starting whats a modem.. to what is a terminal program.. and basic modem commands.`
`01:45.09`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: what extracted baghira folder? I'm confused :-(`
`01:46.09`	`ytoox`	`sorry, in order to find those pixmaps from the baghira folder you have to get baghira, but from sources`
`01:46.17`	`ytoox`	`not rpm or deb`
`01:47.06`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: I'm on gentoo...`
`01:47.19`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: none of that rpm and deb filth for me ;-)`
`01:47.54`	`Steven_M_`	`oGALAXYo: I know what a terminal program is. What I need is a working TCP/IP dialler?`
`01:48.44`	`ytoox`	`ahh, ok`
`01:48.53`	`ytoox`	`sorry, then don't emerge baghira`
`01:48.58`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: d'oh.`
`01:49.03`	`ytoox`	`but get a tar.gz file`
`01:49.13`	`Kasyx`	`so I should unmerge >.<`
`01:49.21`	`ytoox`	`yep`
`01:49.44`	`Kasyx`	`Where do I get the tarball from? kde-look?`
`01:50.18`	`ytoox`	`you gotta go to baghira's official website`
`01:50.26`	`ytoox`	`just google it`
`01:51.21`	`JamesB192`	`then install pppd and chat. but seriously use minicom to call your ISP, my ISPs login procedure uses a login/password prompt pair rather than PAP.`
`01:53.11`	`oGALAXYo`	`Steven_M_: pppd`
`01:54.11`	`JamesB192`	`Steven_M_: at least I assume your ISP uses PPP.`
`01:55.00`	`oGALAXYo`	`heh i am scared that people use modems these days`
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`01:56.45`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: the installation doesn't work that's listed o.o`
`01:57.19`	`oGALAXYo`	`Kasyx: what did you do ?`
`01:57.41`	`ytoox`	`mm?`
`01:58.07`	`Kasyx`	`I followed http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8692, but it complains`
`01:58.40`	`ytoox`	`output?`
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`01:59.50`	`Kasyx`	`http://rafb.net/p/YDx28e37.html`
`02:01.21`	`ytoox`	`you gotta take away the ( )`
`02:02.01`	`Kasyx`	`?`
`02:02.05`	`Kasyx`	`There aren't any in the line`
`02:02.16`	`ytoox`	`this is the command`
`02:02.23`	`ytoox`	./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` --disable-debug --enable-final
`02:02.57`	`Kasyx`	`oh, the []`
`02:03.04`	`ytoox`	`yep`
`02:03.07`	`ytoox`	`:)`
`02:03.14`	`Kasyx`	`THat's what confused me, when you said () :-P`
`02:03.16`	`Kasyx`	`Working now`
`02:03.19`	`ytoox`	`sorry`
`02:03.23`	`Kasyx`	`poke :-P`
`02:03.45`	`Kasyx`	`configure: error: The important program mcopidl was not found!`
`02:03.48`	`Kasyx`	`:-(`
`02:04.08`	`Kasyx`	`Putting in --without-arts`
`02:04.24`	`Kasyx`	`I don't see what functionality could be lost, I don't generally have the noises on anyway`
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`02:05.11`	`ytoox`	`mm? no clue`
`02:05.22`	`Kasyx`	`Will this install to a directory other than the one from the extracted tarball?`
`02:05.28`	`ytoox`	`yes`
`02:05.47`	`ytoox`	`but, dont remove the install directory`
`02:05.47`	`Kasyx`	`Good. So I can delete the extracted one after?`
`02:05.51`	`Kasyx`	`Oh`
`02:05.51`	`ytoox`	`nop`
`02:06.05`	`Kasyx`	`Bugger, is anything linked to it then? Or can I move it somewhere?`
`02:06.06`	`ytoox`	`that's the only painless way to get baghira out of the system`
`02:06.16`	`Kasyx`	`Ah, I see`
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`02:08.29`	`Kasyx`	`Right, installed, I hope. I haven't done a manual install in....5 years?`
`02:08.48`	`Kasyx`	`Will it show up now in kcontrol?`
`02:09.03`	`oGALAXYo`	`if you compile it into the correct prefix then yes`
`02:09.04`	`oGALAXYo`	`otherwise no`
`02:09.21`	`Kasyx`	`It said 'kde-config' not found`
`02:09.33`	`oGALAXYo`	`install kde and qt developer packages`
`02:09.37`	`oGALAXYo`	`as i said earlier.`
`02:10.04`	`oGALAXYo`	`what you have now might be the binary packages only...`
`02:10.22`	`oGALAXYo`	`but if you want to compile some shit for kde then you need to provide a development architecture..`
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`02:10.30`	`oGALAXYo`	`that is.. libraries and headers for all that crap..`
`02:10.30`	`Kasyx`	`oGALAXYo: hah, I didn't see it. I'm so used to people using my nick giggle`
`02:10.33`	`ytoox`	`mm, that's true`
`02:10.45`	`Kasyx`	`Arse. So, uninstall first?`
`02:10.53`	`oGALAXYo`	`no`
`02:10.54`	`ytoox`	`oGALAXYo: have you done this baghira patching?`
`02:11.00`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes`
`02:11.07`	`oGALAXYo`	`well.. i know howto compile stuff`
`02:11.07`	`ytoox`	`can you help me?`
`02:11.14`	`Kasyx`	`Ok, so where do I need to go now?`
`02:11.25`	`Kasyx`	`Just emerge the kde and qt developer packages?`
`02:11.26`	`oGALAXYo`	`and compiled baghira more than one time... even did betatesting stuff for mosfet ... years back..`
`02:11.32`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes`
`02:11.38`	`Kasyx`	`What are they called?`
`02:11.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`dunno`
`02:11.45`	`oGALAXYo`	`depends..`
`02:11.52`	`ytoox`	`so you know why I'm unable to have mikesque installed`
`02:11.53`	`ytoox`	`?`
`02:11.54`	`oGALAXYo`	`you also need the XOrg dev packages... etc.`
`02:12.02`	`Kasyx`	`Oh ffs.`
`02:12.12`	`Kasyx`	`That's a whole load of junk to install just for one theme >.<`
`02:12.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`gcc, autoconf, automake, libtool etc..`
`02:12.19`	`Kasyx`	`Can't I just symlink it somehow?`
`02:12.34`	`oGALAXYo`	`well... you can install baghira binary package for your distro`
`02:12.48`	`Kasyx`	`There isn't one, it's all source`
`02:12.50`	`Kasyx`	`afaik`
`02:12.57`	`ytoox`	`I got it`
`02:13.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`Kasyx: no..`
`02:13.09`	`Kasyx`	`For gentoo?`
`02:13.14`	`ytoox`	`but it doesnpt bring milkesque patch`
`02:13.24`	`oGALAXYo`	`oh wait.. if you have gentoo already then you DO HAVE the development stuff..`
`02:13.33`	`Kasyx`	`>.<`
`02:13.34`	`Kasyx`	`Right.`
`02:13.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`ok do this`
`02:13.44`	`oGALAXYo`	`echo $PATH`
`02:13.46`	`oGALAXYo`	`and put the output here`
`02:14.03`	`Kasyx`	`What you'd expect, http://rafb.net/p/YDx28e37.html`
`02:14.05`	`Kasyx`	`no`
`02:14.07`	`Kasyx`	`/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin`
`02:14.15`	`oGALAXYo`	`ok`
`02:14.19`	`oGALAXYo`	`is this as user or as root ?`
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`02:14.24`	`oGALAXYo`	`in kconsole ?`
`02:14.35`	`Kasyx`	`God no, I use tilda`
`02:14.43`	`oGALAXYo`	`tilda ?`
`02:14.50`	`Kasyx`	`google it.`
`02:14.56`	`Kasyx`	`It's a term, and I'm as root`
`02:15.02`	`oGALAXYo`	`ok`
`02:15.10`	`oGALAXYo`	`the term doesnt run bash a login shell`
`02:15.12`	`ytoox`	`oGALAXYo: have you installed milkesque patch?`
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`02:15.14`	`oGALAXYo`	`enter this inside the term`
`02:15.16`	`ytoox`	`ever?`
`02:15.19`	`oGALAXYo`	`bash --login`
`02:15.28`	`Kasyx`	`oGALAXYo: well it runs .bashrc`
`02:15.35`	`Kasyx`	`If that isn't running bash I don't know what is :-)`
`02:15.47`	`oGALAXYo`	`echo $PATH`
`02:15.52`	`oGALAXYo`	`again after bash --login`
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`02:16.21`	`Kasyx`	`oh`
`02:16.24`	`Kasyx`	`o.o`
`02:16.25`	`oGALAXYo`	`ahhh`
`02:16.27`	`oGALAXYo`	`;)`
`02:16.31`	`Kasyx`	`I thought it was a bash shell, my mistake`
`02:16.36`	`Kasyx`	`How annoying`
`02:16.39`	`oGALAXYo`	`now execute the command line above again`
`02:16.49`	`oGALAXYo`	<ytoox> ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` --disable-debug --enable-final
`02:16.50`	`Kasyx`	`ARGH!LJKADHF`
`02:17.01`	`oGALAXYo`	`dont include enable-final`
`02:17.03`	`oGALAXYo`	`leave it out`
`02:17.12`	`Kasyx`	`That sodding sodding damned slowness is back again`
`02:17.13`	`oGALAXYo`	./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` --disable-debug
`02:17.18`	`Kasyx`	`Hold on galaxy`
`02:17.32`	`oGALAXYo`	`ytoox: no i did not.`
`02:18.03`	`ytoox`	`I did that, probably you think that milk is the same as milkesque, but not. This is milkesque`
`02:18.05`	`ytoox`	`http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=30789`
`02:19.04`	`Kasyx`	`You know, I think it might be X itself :-(`
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`02:21.23`	`Kasyx`	`brb`
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`02:22.27`	`Kurt`	`is there a way to set the options passed to cdparanoia in KAudioCreator?`
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`02:26.17`	`ytoox`	`oGALAXYo: can you install the mikesque patch and see what's up?`
`02:26.25`	`Kasyx`	`Right, back. Give me one sec to check`
`02:27.26`	`ytoox`	`ok`
`02:29.36`	`Kasyx`	`Right, shall I pate my true path then?`
`02:31.43`	`oGALAXYo`	`ytoox: no.. i dont run kde.`
`02:31.49`	`ytoox`	`mmmm, ok`
`02:31.51`	`ytoox`	`fine`
`02:31.54`	`ytoox`	`:(`
`02:31.58`	`oGALAXYo`	`:)`
`02:32.00`	`oGALAXYo`	`used to run kde..`
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`02:35.31`	`Kasyx`	`Ok oGALAXYo, what do I do?`
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`02:36.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`Kasyx: dunno, what do you want to do ?`
`02:36.58`	`Kasyx`	`oGALAXYo: well you were in the middle of helping get baghira listed in kcontrol :-(`
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`02:52.44`	`oGALAXYo`	Kasyx: ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` --disable-debug
`02:53.56`	`Kasyx`	`Can I add --without-arts too?`
`02:54.25`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes`
`02:54.32`	`oGALAXYo`	`but it doesnt matter at this point`
`02:54.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`what matters is if this configures through without errors.`
`02:55.16`	`Kasyx`	`Well I'll need it then, or it will throw errors, cause I don't have arts :-D`
`02:55.50`	`oGALAXYo`	`no then you need to add it`
`02:55.54`	`oGALAXYo`	`do so, no problems`
`02:58.02`	`Kasyx`	`No probs, no`
`02:58.15`	`oGALAXYo`	`does it finish the configure ?`
`02:59.32`	`Kasyx`	`Yup`
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`03:02.10`	`oGALAXYo`	`make && make install`
`03:06.04`	`Kasyx`	`Done, no errors`
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`03:08.39`	`oGALAXYo`	`Kasyx: and ?`
`03:08.44`	`oGALAXYo`	`does it load`
`03:09.19`	`Kasyx`	`Yay! It loads :-D`
`03:09.34`	`oGALAXYo`	`mkay`
`03:10.12`	`Kasyx`	`So now I should be able to find pixmaps.h in the baghira folder, and change them?`
`03:10.54`	`oGALAXYo`	`what do you want to change ?`
`03:11.45`	`Kasyx`	`Well I have this milkesque thing that I want to put over, and it says to swap a couple of files`
`03:12.15`	`oGALAXYo`	`no`
`03:12.25`	`oGALAXYo`	`you only need to install the color-sheme and the new baghirarc file`
`03:12.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`nothing else.`
`03:12.42`	`Kasyx`	`Ahhh, the colourscheme I get a 404 for? :-D`
`03:13.05`	`oGALAXYo`	`let me look`
`03:13.45`	`oGALAXYo`	`ahh pl`
`03:13.48`	`oGALAXYo`	`well`
`03:13.55`	`oGALAXYo`	`you need to download the 166kb file`
`03:14.09`	`oGALAXYo`	`you need to put whats inside there into the baghira source dir.. (the thing you compiled)`
`03:14.13`	`oGALAXYo`	`then you need to "compile again"`
`03:14.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`just make && make install`
`03:14.31`	`oGALAXYo`	`then you need to install the color-sheme and the baghirarc file..`
`03:14.32`	`oGALAXYo`	`thats all`
`03:14.35`	`oGALAXYo`	`quite trivial.`
`03:14.57`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes you replace the 2 .h files.`
`03:15.08`	`Kasyx`	`Not to someone that hasn't done a manual compile in years o.o`
`03:15.14`	`Kasyx`	`Someone needs to make an ebuild for me ;-)`
`03:16.15`	`oGALAXYo`	`ok`
`03:16.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`a) get the 166kb file`
`03:16.24`	`oGALAXYo`	`you see two dirs inside it..`
`03:16.28`	`Kasyx`	`Yup`
`03:16.45`	`oGALAXYo`	`copy these two files to the baghira source dir.. to the same dirs (probably) with the same filenames inside it.. overwrite it.`
`03:16.53`	`Kasyx`	`Right now that bit`
`03:16.54`	`oGALAXYo`	`let me know once youve done so.`
`03:16.59`	`Kasyx`	`Is that the tarball I extracted?`
`03:17.02`	`oGALAXYo`	`yes`
`03:17.17`	`Kasyx`	`Right, so not the ones after I made last time?`
`03:17.58`	`oGALAXYo`	`again`
`03:18.14`	`oGALAXYo`	`copy the pixmap.h file and the other file to the bahira-source-version directory`
`03:18.42`	`oGALAXYo`	`you need to copy these files from the dirs to the baghira dir.. but you need to look.. not just copy.. look for matching filenames.`
`03:19.18`	`Kasyx`	`Done.`
`03:19.21`	`oGALAXYo`	`ok`
`03:19.27`	`oGALAXYo`	`you overwrote the 2 files ?`
`03:19.44`	`oGALAXYo`	`that is.. you replaced the original files with the two from the 166kb file ?`
`03:20.02`	`Kasyx`	`I renamed the old ones just in case, but then copied across, yes`
`03:20.07`	`oGALAXYo`	`ok`
`03:20.11`	`oGALAXYo`	`now enter "make && make install"`
`03:20.13`	`oGALAXYo`	`in the topdir`
`03:20.23`	`oGALAXYo`	`there where you run make and make install earlier.`
`03:20.33`	`oGALAXYo`	`and let me know if it compiles or if it makes errors.`
`03:20.42`	`Kasyx`	`Done, no errors`
`03:20.55`	`oGALAXYo`	`ok`
`03:20.59`	`oGALAXYo`	`done..`
`03:21.05`	`oGALAXYo`	`now get the color sheme and the baghirarc`
`03:21.11`	`oGALAXYo`	`and install it to kde..`
`03:21.23`	`oGALAXYo`	`you probably need to manually copy them somewhere to .kde/share...`
`03:21.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`restart kde`
`03:21.42`	`Kasyx`	`Ok, where is the colour scheme?`
`03:21.52`	`oGALAXYo`	`dunno`
`03:21.57`	`Kasyx`	`Oh`
`03:21.58`	`oGALAXYo`	`i dont have kde running here..`
`03:22.01`	`Kasyx`	`Heh`
`03:22.01`	`oGALAXYo`	`so i cant tell you`
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`03:24.17`	`Kasyx`	`Gah, both of those files are 404 (I think, I don't know German)`
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`03:27.45`	`feindbild`	`hi ^^`
`03:28.46`	`oGALAXYo`	`Kasyx: i am off for bed.... its 4:30 am here... i think the rest you can manage on your own.. if you want to get rid of baghira simply make an "make uninstall" in the source dir... and it will remove it from gentoo.`
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`03:31.58`	`Kasyx`	`Ok, thanks oGALAXYo. I've been stumped though cause the theme and rc are 404s`
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`04:34.13`	`mathieujobin`	`why is konqueror file preview does not generate a thumbnail for all my pictures within a directory, but just a few a them? (notes that all the pictures were taken the same day with the same camera).`
`04:35.18`	`Renze`	`mathieujobin: kcontrol -> kde components -> file manager, previews & metadata tab, adjust the maximum file size for previews`
`04:35.34`	`Renze`	`any images larger than that will not get previews`
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`04:41.51`	K`zan	`Anyone know how to get rid of that "universal side bar"? TIA`
`04:42.24`	`Renze`	K`zan: you mean the panel? right click on any panel, select Remove Panel -> Universal Sidebar
`04:43.12`	K`zan	`Renze: THANK YOU Sir!`
`04:43.18`	`Renze`	`no problem`
`04:45.32`	`mathieujobin`	`Renze: thats right, thanks`
`04:45.57`	`Renze`	`you're welcome`
`04:48.31`	`illogic-al`	`anyone here know what the word epynomious means?`
`04:49.05`	`Renze`	`is the spelling correct? kdict isn't finding anything`
`04:49.28`	`illogic-al`	`Renze: i don't know. that's how it sounds :-)`
`04:50.15`	`Renze`	`eponymous?`
`04:51.02`	`illogic-al`	`e-pi-no-me-us`
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`04:52.09`	`Renze`	`epinomous?`
`04:52.51`	`illogic-al`	`there is no meus in that word.`
`04:53.46`	`Renze`	`I'm just going by what google can find`
`04:54.31`	`Renze`	`kdict can't find any of those spellings, however... it won't even make suggestions`
`04:57.36`	`Renze`	`all my dead-tree dictionary has is "eponymous - a. whose name has been given to a people, place, etc."`
`05:00.43`	`Jucato`	`epicurus? epicenter? epic? epitomy?`
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`05:01.40`	`Jucato`	`Renze: happy new year, you'll be the first to experience it :)`
`05:01.52`	`Renze`	`Jucato: and I'll be sober, damnit`
`05:02.08`	`Jucato`	`Renze: I probably won't... just a bit`
`05:02.30`	`Jucato`	`it's a family tradition... we drink wine (not beer, brandy or rhum) on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve...`
`05:02.49`	`Jucato`	`red/white wine, champagne, or bailey's this year...`
`05:02.59`	`Jucato`	`too strong for the girls :P`
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`05:08.26`	`Jucato`	`wow... someone got Linux running on an HTC Universal? wonder if I could do the same for an older (very very older...) HTC Tanager... :)`
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`05:30.54`	K`zan	`How does one get rid of the missing kwallet message when starting and ending kmail - I don't want it and am TIRED of being nagged about it. TIA!`
`05:32.03`	K`zan	`Renze: Unfortunately whoever wrote the app doesn't allow dialog boxes to be copied out of - hold while I do it manually.`
`05:32.36`	K`zan	`Renze: I stand corrected, someone was thinking this time:`
`05:32.39`	K`zan	`KWallet is not available. It is strongly recommended to use KWallet for managing your passwords.`
`05:32.40`	K`zan	`However, KMail can store the password in its configuration file instead. The password is stored in an obfuscated format, but should not be considered secure from decryption efforts if access to the configuration file is obtained.`
`05:32.40`	K`zan	`Do you want to store the password for account 'Comcast.net' in the configuration file?`
`05:32.50`	K`zan	`Oops, sorry about that.`
`05:33.43`	K`zan	`Renze: Sorry, helps to read the message sometimes :-).`
`05:33.53`	K`zan	`The whole message`
`05:33.56`	K`zan	`:-)`
`05:34.12`	`Renze`	`heh`
`05:34.48`	K`zan	`Converting from gentoo to ubuntu gets a little confusing sometimes especially when I have been running gentoo for quite a while now :-).`
`05:37.06`	K`zan	`Renze: I wish I could, but that seems to be going down the tubes with the pissing match disease :-(.`
`05:38.50`	K`zan	`bbiab`
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`05:45.41`	`Jucato`	`borrowing apt...`
`05:45.43`	`Jucato`	`~autostart`
`05:45.45`	`apt`	`To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273`
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`05:59.00`	`Jucato`	`(take note, that's "Renze" not "Renze's"`
`05:59.04`	`hagabaka`	`is it possible to let another program access Kmail's mbox folders, manipulate the contents and let Kmail notice the changes?`
`05:59.10`	`Renze`	`no no, human flesh tastes like pork`
`05:59.25`	`Jucato`	`yours tastes like rubber. so there!`
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`06:00.04`	`hagabaka`	`for example, dbacl is an automatic email categorizer that operates on mbox folders. http://www.lbreyer.com/emailtut.html`
`06:00.49`	`Renze`	`hmmm... mental note: more chilli next time`
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`06:02.41`	`hagabaka`	`i can't even find where kmail stores the folders...`
`06:03.26`	`Jucato`	`kmail usually stores its folders in $KDEHOME/share/apps/kmail/mail afaik`
`06:03.56`	`hagabaka`	`i see the "inbox" directory, but none of my emails or folders are in it`
`06:04.16`	`Renze`	`some distros put it in ~/Mail/`
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`06:05.13`	`Jucato`	`Renze: Gentoo puts it in there?`
`06:05.25`	`Renze`	`Jucato: no, but DeadRat based distros do`
`06:05.29`	`Jucato`	`heh`
`06:05.36`	`Jucato`	`I think I noticed that in PCLOS`
`06:05.41`	`hagabaka`	`i use Kubuntu. any idea?`
`06:06.16`	`Jucato`	`hagabaka: it should be in the directory I told you. at least normally...`
`06:07.51`	`hagabaka`	`in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail, i have drafts inbox outbox sent-mail trash. inside each, there's "cur new tmp", but they're all empty`
`06:08.31`	`Jucato`	`hm...`
`06:09.08`	`hagabaka`	`maybe lsof \| grep kmail will tell me`
`06:10.47`	`hagabaka`	`ah, they're in mail/.inbox.directory, etc`
`06:11.12`	`hagabaka`	`the inbox, sent, etc are clever decoys :D`
`06:11.29`	`Jucato`	`a hidden directory? weird...`
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`06:19.43`	`Renze`	`belch!`
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`06:23.44`	`Jucato`	`stupid asthma...`
`06:23.56`	`Jucato`	`sudo apt-get remove --purge asthma`
`06:24.14`	`Jucato`	`oops... seems like lungs package depends on it...`
`06:25.17`	`hagabaka`	`yeah...Kmail doesn't like other programs changing its mbox folders very much`
`06:25.18`	`Renze`	`my lungs package has no dependency on asthma`
`06:27.44`	`Jucato`	`:(`
`06:29.17`	`hagabaka`	`is it possible to let KMail open an mbox like an imap server, i.e. display te mails in it, but not "receive" them to a "local folder", but instead watch for changes in the mbox and update the display?`
`06:29.49`	`Renze`	`hagabaka: run an imap server on localhost?`
`06:30.17`	`hagabaka`	`would i be able to use another program to modify the mbox file then?`
`06:30.27`	`Renze`	`no idea`
`06:30.35`	`Renze`	`I've never messed with imap`
`06:31.10`	`Renze`	`was just guessing ;)`
`06:31.57`	`hagabaka`	`i guess i'll try it`
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`06:54.49`	`pab`	`When I installed kde in Debian Etch all the programs associated with kcontrol and kinfo got thrown into the lost and found menu. Is there an easy way to reassociate them.?`
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`06:58.28`	`burryl`	`is there anyway to watch online videos that require the windows media player plugin?`
`06:59.22`	`pab`	`burryl: what browser are you using?`
`07:00.41`	`burryl`	`o, i'm using firefox`
`07:00.42`	`burryl`	`oops forgot to type ur name`
`07:00.42`	`burryl`	`pab: using firefox, thx`
`07:01.23`	`pab`	`burryl: I have mplayer installed with the mozilla-mplayer plugin. It works for many but I'm no expert.`
`07:01.48`	`burryl`	`can u watch the cnn videos?`
`07:01.52`	`Renze`	`it helps to have the win32 codecs installed too, and mplayer compiled to use them`
`07:02.11`	`burryl`	`i have win32 codec installed, followed the restricted format ubuntu guide couple days ago =)`
`07:02.19`	`burryl`	`let me check if i have mozilla-mplayer installed`
`07:02.20`	`pab`	`yes the codec is important`
`07:03.49`	`burryl`	`what do u use, i'm looking for the better distro always =)`
`07:04.01`	`Renze`	`gentoo`
`07:04.10`	`pab`	`Debian`
`07:04.53`	`burryl`	`cool, if u guys wanna do a little intro that'd be great hehe, i could google and read, but i did too much of that today i think hehe, u guys don't have to, i know it'd be a long paragh`
`07:05.21`	`burryl`	`o what about for videos that would need quicktime plugin?`
`07:05.33`	`Renze`	`same as for wmv`
`07:05.41`	`Renze`	`win32 codecs`
`07:05.42`	`burryl`	`and yeah i think i didn't have mplayer plugin for mozilla installed earlier, that was the problem`
`07:05.44`	`burryl`	`cool`
`07:05.51`	`burryl`	`trying webpages`
`07:06.24`	`burryl`	`dont i need players too?`
`07:06.55`	`Renze`	`mplayer is a player`
`07:07.08`	`burryl`	`by the way, does cnn videos work for u`
`07:07.13`	`Renze`	`btw: none of what you have asked has anything to do with KDE ;)`
`07:07.16`	`Renze`	`yes`
`07:07.20`	`burryl`	`o`
`07:07.21`	`Renze`	`but I don't use firefox`
`07:07.32`	`burryl`	`what exactly goes in KDE channel`
`07:07.44`	`burryl`	`i thought i use kubuntu so questions like this could come in hehe`
`07:07.46`	`burryl`	`sorrie`
`07:07.47`	`Renze`	`stuff about the K Desktop Environment`
`07:07.56`	`burryl`	`like beryl?`
`07:08.01`	`Renze`	`there is #kubuntu for kubuntu questions`
`07:08.01`	`burryl`	`wait nvm`
`07:08.06`	`Renze`	`no, beryl is not part of KDE`
`07:08.16`	`burryl`	`any examples, thx`
`07:08.28`	`pab`	`Renze: Did you see my earlier post about kcontrol and kinfo?`
`07:08.40`	`burryl`	`ah like those`
`07:08.40`	`Renze`	`pab: yes, but since I don't use debian I don't know a solution`
`07:08.50`	`pab`	`dang`
`07:09.23`	`burryl`	`Renze what web browser do u use, cuz it still says No Windows Media Player detected`
`07:09.30`	`Renze`	`pab: it sounds like a packaging problem to me... have you checked the debian forums?`
`07:09.37`	`Renze`	`burryl: konqueror, of course`
`07:09.47`	`burryl`	`Renze i know this isn't kde question but i don't think i'm hogging too much space for now, thx`
`07:09.56`	`burryl`	`i'll check in other channel too`
`07:10.20`	`burryl`	`i dislike the konqueror starting page look, how do i change that`
`07:10.34`	`Renze`	`browse to the page you want to start with, then save your profile`
`07:10.34`	`burryl`	`if this belongs in kubuntu i'll try there as well`
`07:10.51`	`pab`	`Renze: No, I thought it was a kde prob. I'll check there next, but, maybe a remove and reinstall of just those two would work?`
`07:11.08`	`Renze`	`pab: I have no idea`
`07:11.10`	`burryl`	`but i want it to start at the page it is starting, i just wanna change background, is that do'able?`
`07:11.26`	`Renze`	`burryl: only by changing the html of the start page`
`07:12.28`	`burryl`	`how could i do that tho, the address bar is blank when i first start it`
`07:13.09`	`burryl`	`lol cnn video does work on konquer`
`07:13.11`	`Renze`	`burryl: look in /usr/share/apps/konqueror/about/`
`07:13.25`	`burryl`	`Renze thanks so much, been looking for that couple days now =)`
`07:13.47`	`burryl`	`for cnn video does it say it can't determine the version of windows media player for u?`
`07:14.00`	`Renze`	`give me a URL`
`07:14.26`	`burryl`	`www.cnn.com, then click on the sadam image`
`07:14.37`	`burryl`	`i'm not sure what the url is for it tho`
`07:14.44`	`burryl`	`but that should get the video starting`
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`07:15.42`	`Renze`	`clicking on continue to video did the trick`
`07:16.11`	`Renze`	`and the video plays fine`
`07:16.29`	`Renze`	`not that I want to watch that`
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`07:17.36`	`burryl`	`o i was just testing around and i picked cnn and there was so many sadam videos yesterday`
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`07:25.07`	`pab`	`Renze: Forgive, but is there a plugin for konq for online viideo?`
`07:25.30`	`Renze`	`pab: kmplayer provides a nice kpart that can be used embedded in web pages`
`07:26.30`	`pab`	`Renze: Very cool! Thank you. I'm checking it out now`
`07:26.40`	`Renze`	`no problem`
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`07:32.56`	`burryl`	`what's kpart`
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`07:33.19`	`Renze`	`a kpart is a KDE component that can be embedded in any KDE application`
`07:33.40`	`Renze`	`like khtml is the kpart that makes konqueror capable of browsing the web`
`07:34.04`	`pab`	`Hmm....having probs. Let me check this out more.`
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`07:38.58`	`burryl`	`cool thx Renze`
`07:39.00`	`burryl`	`was away earlier`
`07:39.06`	`burryl`	`gotta go sleep now tho, thx alot, see you around`
`07:39.11`	`Renze`	`bye`
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`07:45.32`	`pab`	`Renze: Thx! Got it working`
`07:45.40`	`Renze`	`cool`
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`09:36.52`	`pinotree`	`JamesB192: ?`
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`10:02.47`	`vinboy`	`hi. i have a gentoo question. maybe one of u know the answer`
`10:02.47`	`vinboy`	`i just finished setting up my wireless USB dongle (eth1). how do I create an init script for it? such as /etc/init.d/net.eth1`
`10:03.07`	`pinotree`	`vinboy: #gentoo`
`10:03.14`	`vinboy`	`ok`
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`10:08.21`	`Renze`	`52 minutes of 2006 left...`
`10:09.04`	`Jucato`	`oooh`
`10:09.08`	`Jucato`	`you're soooo early :)`
`10:09.27`	`Renze`	`no, you're late`
`10:09.39`	`Jucato`	`hahaha`
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`10:10.17`	`Renze`	`JamesB192: I answered him via /msg`
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`10:10.28`	`Renze`	`but it really didn't belong in this channel`
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`10:12.32`	`piggz`	`still 14 hours to go here`
`10:12.37`	`JamesB192`	`Yeah, I know.`
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`10:16.03`	`Renze`	`JamesB192: grab the "kde" overlay... there are ebuilds in there for the unstable stuff`
`10:16.48`	`pinotree`	`JamesB192: http://developer.kde.org/build/trunk.html <-- this is your ebuild`
`10:16.56`	`Jucato`	`heh :)`
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`10:21.47`	`aleksanteri`	`hey i downloaded the http://art4linux.org/pages/kdm-alfa.html alfa theme as a tar.gz package and i thought that i should run the .desktop file there. But then I got an error message that says that the .desktop file has no "File=..." information. What do i need to do?`
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`10:33.59`	`bram85_`	`aleksanteri: not all *.desktop files point to executable files`
`10:34.10`	`bram85_`	`aleksanteri: did you install the package at all?`
`10:34.22`	`aleksanteri`	`ummm no :\| it's a theme package`
`10:35.02`	`aleksanteri`	`i'm not good in installing packets :P i'm such a newbie yet`
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`10:35.46`	`bram85_`	`aleksanteri: i think there's a theme manager for KDM (maybe default with KDE or somewhere on kde-apps.org)`
`10:35.59`	`Jucato`	`it's a KDM theme, you don't run anything`
`10:36.14`	`aleksanteri`	`yeah but how do i install it?`
`10:36.15`	`bram85_`	`aleksanteri: look for a KDM theme manager and install that first`
`10:36.17`	`Jucato`	`you could install kdmtheme from http://www.kde-apps.org`
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`10:36.32`	`aleksanteri`	`ok, i'll take a look`
`10:36.33`	`bram85_`	`or maybe there are packages for your distro`
`10:36.43`	`bram85_`	`(not likely, but worth a try)`
`10:36.43`	`Jucato`	`er yeah... that too :)`
`10:37.07`	`bram85_`	`!food ... back in a minute`
`10:37.19`	`Jucato`	`and in KDE-Look, there are instructions on how to install KDM themes`
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`10:38.13`	`aleksanteri`	`umm http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=50323 it's that`
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`10:39.01`	`Jucato`	`there's a "how to install" instruction`
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`10:39.30`	`Jucato`	`teaches you how to do it manually. the kdmtheme app gives you a GUI way to manage KDM themes`
`10:41.16`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: once installed, look for it in KControl, usually beside the KDM Login Manager. it will be named KDM Theme Manager`
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`10:43.57`	`aleksanteri`	`-_- i just can't find it`
`10:44.12`	`aleksanteri`	`well if it's this one then i must have had it all the time :\|`
`10:44.28`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: um.. what can't you find? what's your distro?`
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`10:44.42`	`Renze`	`wait for it...`
`10:44.48`	`aleksanteri`	`lemme see`
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`10:45.14`	`aleksanteri`	`i've got kde 3.5.5, os kubuntu linux 6.10`
`10:45.18`	`Renze`	`bingo!`
`10:45.38`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: it won't be in System Settings. use KControl`
`10:45.39`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol"`
`10:45.39`	`aleksanteri`	`yeah i used it :P`
`10:45.57`	`Jucato`	`it will be in System Administration -> KDM Theme Manager`
`10:46.26`	`aleksanteri`	`ok`
`10:46.44`	`aleksanteri`	`looks like i need to login as superuser`
`10:46.56`	`Renze`	`click the administration button`
`10:46.57`	`Jucato`	`Renze: btw, before you react, this particular "bug" is actually a result of human error from el (Ellen Reitmeyr). purely human error`
`10:47.29`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: yep. definitely. anything related to KDM and the login screen needs admin privileges`
`10:47.40`	`aleksanteri`	`yeah i got in :)`
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`10:48.06`	`Renze`	`13 minutes...`
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`10:49.19`	`Jucato`	`Renze: Happy New Year!!`
`10:50.03`	`bram85_`	`still 12h to go`
`10:50.19`	`Jucato`	`5hrs here`
`10:50.45`	`JamesB192`	`21`
`10:51.10`	`aleksanteri`	`11`
`10:51.15`	`aleksanteri`	`"The file is not a valid KDM theme archive." :\|`
`10:51.28`	`aleksanteri`	`do i need to give the packet to it?`
`10:51.35`	`Renze`	`yes`
`10:51.37`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: don't extract the archive`
`10:51.41`	`aleksanteri`	`ok :P`
`10:51.45`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: point it to the .tar.gz package`
`10:51.47`	`aleksanteri`	`i tried to give it the .xml file`
`10:51.49`	`aleksanteri`	`yeah yeah`
`10:51.54`	`Jucato`	`:P`
`10:52.06`	`RAV_TUX`	`Jucato: whats up?`
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`10:52.16`	`Jucato`	`~up`
`10:52.17`	`apt`	`somebody said up was the opposite of down`
`10:52.21`	`Jucato`	`:D`
`10:52.28`	`aleksanteri`	`ok :D`
`10:52.37`	`Jucato`	`getting ready for New Year's Eve mass...`
`10:52.41`	`aleksanteri`	`but when i click on apply and on ok nothing happens...`
`10:52.57`	`Jucato`	`pinotree: oh yes. definitely... but just this once... puleeeez? :)`
`10:53.05`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: you clicked on Apply?`
`10:53.11`	`aleksanteri`	`yeah and on ok`
`10:53.20`	`Jucato`	`hmm`
`10:53.32`	`aleksanteri`	`looks like i need to restart kde :\|`
`10:53.34`	`Jucato`	`btw, what do you mean nothing happens?`
`10:53.52`	`Jucato`	`er.. you need to logout to see the login screen :)`
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`10:54.06`	`aleksanteri`	`ok`
`10:54.12`	`aleksanteri`	`brb`
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`10:55.01`	`RAV_TUX`	`I accidently removed my kmenu from my panel`
`10:55.09`	`RAV_TUX`	`how do I restore it?`
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`10:55.35`	`aleksanteri`	`:O it was just a login screen?`
`10:55.47`	`Sho_`	`RAV_TUX: Right-click the panel, chose "Add Applet to Panel" and find "K Menu" in the list`
`10:55.58`	`Renze`	`aleksanteri: what did you think kdm was?`
`10:56.05`	`aleksanteri`	`hmmm`
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`10:56.27`	`aleksanteri`	`oh :\|`
`10:56.40`	`RAV_TUX`	`Sho_: thanks!!`
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`10:57.28`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: er yes :)`
`10:57.39`	`aleksanteri`	`oh`
`10:59.16`	`Renze`	`1 minute...`
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`11:00.18`	`Renze`	`crappy new year`
`11:00.22`	`Renze`	`Mon Jan 1 00:00:07 NZDT 2007`
`11:00.31`	`pinotree`	`Renze: ...`
`11:00.33`	`Jucato`	`heh Happy New Year Renze!`
`11:00.41`	`aleksanteri`	`;)`
`11:00.41`	`Jucato`	`just be glad that you survived another year :P`
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`11:00.45`	`aleksanteri`	`:D`
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`11:00.53`	`Kasyx`	`Hehe it's not true new year till it passes Greenwich. All your time are belong to us`
`11:01.11`	`Renze`	`Kasyx: international dateline :P`
`11:01.20`	`aleksanteri`	`what's the time in greenwich? 12:01:20?`
`11:01.38`	`Jucato`	`11:02 AM`
`11:01.38`	`Kasyx`	`Renze: oooh, damn, true`
`11:01.42`	`aleksanteri`	`oh`
`11:02.12`	`Kasyx`	`Are there any chat clients that support yahoo webcam? Both sending and recieving?`
`11:02.33`	`Sho_`	`Kasyx: Kopete supports Yahoo webcam, I think`
`11:03.49`	`Kasyx`	`Ta`
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`11:04.21`	`Kasyx`	`Now I just need to fix a stupid error installing my webcam :-(`
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`11:05.41`	`Jucato`	`hehe nighty night Renze! :)`
`11:06.43`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: Ill?`
`11:06.55`	`Kasyx`	`Sho_: shhh, I'm hungry :-P`
`11:06.58`	`Sho_`	`:(`
`11:07.14`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: yeah... sucks to be a bit sick at the end/start of the year...`
`11:07.52`	`Jucato`	`if I were very superstitious, I would be freaking out... good thing I'm only mildly superstitious :P`
`11:08.40`	`Kasyx`	`Howso?`
`11:09.35`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: On the other hand, maybe this way you can fill up your sickness quota for 2007 early in the year, and then enjoy a healthy 11.9 months ;)`
`11:10.15`	`Jucato`	`heheh :)`
`11:10.49`	`Jucato`	`Kasyx: old wives' tale: how you start the new year would be indicative of how you'll spend the whole year...`
`11:11.00`	`JamesB192`	`If it worked that way, I might be tempted to spend a year or two dead.`
`11:11.21`	`Kasyx`	`Jucato: so really, you want to be in the middle of a good romp when the bells go? ;-)`
`11:12.01`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: In that case you should spend new years eve compiling, so maybe you finally move to Gentoo in '07 ;)`
`11:12.14`	`Kasyx`	`laugh gentoo ftw`
`11:12.40`	`Jucato`	`hehe :)`
`11:12.55`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: I have something special planned for my Linux birthday next week`
`11:13.23`	`Sho_`	`A compilation orgy? ;)`
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`11:13.53`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: lol something like that :)`
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`11:22.34`	`manu_`	`hi @ all`
`11:23.47`	`manu_`	`i have a simple problem (i hope) because i can't find the option to disable this animated hover information in kicker`
`11:23.59`	`manu_`	`i searched everywhere`
`11:24.01`	`manu_`	`:/`
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`11:24.43`	`Jucato`	`KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Appearance tab -> [x] Enable mouseover effects`
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`11:25.40`	`Sho_`	`(The first thing I switch off in any new KDE install. The next is bouncing cursor launch feedback. :)`
`11:26.00`	`Jucato`	`hehe... I'd take bouncing cursor over spinning hourglass any day :)`
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`11:26.12`	`Q-collective`	`oh, where to kick that one? :p`
`11:26.32`	`Jucato`	`Q-collective: KControl -> Appearance and Themes -> Launch Feeback`
`11:26.32`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: I switch off Launch Feedback completely, I have no need for it`
`11:26.41`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: oh :)`
`11:26.48`	`Sho_`	`The taskbar notification is annoying as well`
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`11:26.57`	`mots`	`why can't i use umlauts in kde?`
`11:27.03`	`Kasyx`	`Sho_: agreed.`
`11:27.06`	`mots`	`in gnome, they work fine`
`11:27.08`	`Jucato`	`ê?`
`11:27.11`	`Q-collective`	`no`
`11:27.13`	`Q-collective`	`�`
`11:27.16`	`Jucato`	`aah`
`11:27.21`	`Sho_`	`mots: Check your keyboard layout setup in KControl`
`11:27.28`	`Jucato`	`hm... what key combo does that Q-collective?`
`11:27.32`	`Kasyx`	`mots: also, check for unicode support`
`11:27.34`	`mots`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_umlaut`
`11:27.37`	`mots`	`those ones`
`11:27.47`	`Q-collective`	`Jucato: ralt + " + e`
`11:27.49`	`Jucato`	`ë oh...`
`11:28.13`	`Q-collective`	`yeah, same same`
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`11:28.30`	`mots`	`well`
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`11:28.40`	`mots`	`it's set to germany`
`11:28.42`	`mots`	`seems fine`
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`11:29.02`	`mots`	`but when i press (a+dots above it-key), i get ä`
`11:29.54`	`Sho_`	`mots: Where's the problem, then? I just saw a perfect a with diacritical marks`
`11:29.56`	`Q-collective`	`which is what you'd want?`
`11:29.59`	`mots`	`well`
`11:30.00`	`Kasyx`	`mots - that has umlauts at my end`
`11:30.07`	`mots`	`i didn't see that`
`11:30.14`	`Q-collective`	`lol`
`11:30.19`	`Kasyx`	`mots - did you get a question mark?`
`11:30.22`	`Sho_`	`mots: Possibly you are using a font in your IRC client that lacks those characters`
`11:30.34`	`mots`	`i saw an A with a ~ above it + an euro mark`
`11:30.34`	`Kasyx`	`Yeah, that too. I'm on Arial`
`11:30.52`	`mots`	`Sho_ its like that in every kde-app`
`11:31.00`	`mots`	`and i use the same font as in gnome`
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`11:31.33`	`mots`	`any idea?`
`11:31.36`	`Sho_`	`Some kind of system encoding or locale setup problem, I guess`
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`11:32.38`	`manu_`	`Jucato: dont find it, i'm in appereance, in this menu you can e.g. change also the background image of the panel, but dont find the mentioned button`
`11:32.40`	`manu_`	`:/`
`11:33.29`	`Jucato`	`manu_: the Appearance tab`
`11:34.28`	`manu_`	`Jucate my kde is german and appereance should be erscheinungsbild i think and panel kontrollleiste when i'm right, dont know cause some names are different`
`11:34.37`	`mots`	`Sho_: so do you know how to fix that?`
`11:34.51`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: maybe you could help manu_? I don't know German...`
`11:35.25`	`mots`	`in gtk-apps, everything is fine`
`11:36.33`	`Sho_`	`mots: Not with the available data, sorry`
`11:36.40`	`mots`	`well`
`11:36.46`	`mots`	`which data do you need?`
`11:37.23`	`Sho_`	`mots: Probably physical access to the system for any kind of meaningful bandwidth`
`11:37.37`	`Sho_`	`mots: I.e. I don't really have time to try and deduce this over IRC, sorry`
`11:37.54`	`mots`	`sux`
`11:38.04`	`mots`	`KDE seems like a quite nice desktop`
`11:38.13`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: Unfortunately I don't have the German translation of KControl installed either ...`
`11:38.19`	`DreamForce`	`mots: what's your problem?`
`11:38.28`	`Jucato`	`manu_: it should be the fourth tab or set of options from the top: Arrangement, Hiding, Menus, Appearance...`
`11:38.37`	`mots`	`Dreamforce: i can't use germanic umlauts`
`11:39.09`	`Sho_`	`manu_: If you open KControl (KMenu -> Run Command -> "kcontrol"), below the "Appearance" ("Erscheinungsbild") section there should be a "Desktop" or "Arbeitsflaeche" section`
`11:39.25`	`mots`	`they become weird "ä"-style thingies`
`11:39.30`	`Sho_`	`manu_: This section has a "Panels" page, which, in turn, has another "Appearance" (Erscheinungsbild) tab`
`11:39.39`	`Sho_`	`manu_: On that tab, it's the checkbox in the top-left corner`
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`11:40.40`	`DreamForce`	`mots: do umlauts work with other x applications?`
`11:40.53`	`mots`	`they work with all non-qt-apps`
`11:41.16`	`mots`	`(they work with qt-apps, too if i'm in gnome)`
`11:41.26`	`DreamForce`	`mots: funny`
`11:41.37`	`manu_`	`thx Sho_ and Jucato i have it "mouse over effects" are called symboleffekte and i thought symboleffekte are the highlighted icons`
`11:41.42`	`DreamForce`	`mots: which KDE version are you running?`
`11:41.45`	`manu_`	`no i found it thx u`
`11:42.01`	`mots`	`3.5.5`
`11:42.32`	`aleksanteri`	`how is http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=50899 this possible? there are ram meters, cpu usage and everything`
`11:42.44`	`DreamForce`	`mots: have a look at "kontrollzentrum" -> regionaleinstellungen -> tastaturlayout`
`11:42.51`	`mots`	`yeah`
`11:42.54`	`mots`	`already was there`
`11:43.03`	`mots`	`its set to germany, which seems fine`
`11:43.08`	`Sho_`	`DreamForce: But then his problem isn't typing the umlauts, which works fine`
`11:43.35`	`DreamForce`	`mots: oh, your problem is displaying umlauts?`
`11:43.38`	`mots`	`aleksanteri: looks like karamba`
`11:43.42`	`mots`	`well`
`11:43.43`	`mots`	`yeah`
`11:43.47`	`aleksanteri`	`karamba?`
`11:44.08`	`Sho_`	`mots: Computers store characters as sequences of bits. Which sequence of bits conforms to which character is determined by an association table, also called an "encoding". There are various encodings, some language- or region-specific, and many are incompatible with each other, i.e. a sequence of bits interpreted as one encoding would show up as the right character, while interpreted as another encoding might show another character, making text`
`11:44.08`	`Sho_`	`garbled.`
`11:44.09`	`mots`	`but people also complain about getting weird things instead of umlauts (in kopete, for example)`
`11:44.16`	`Jucato`	`aleksanteri: superkaramba`
`11:44.24`	`aleksanteri`	`what's that?`
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`11:44.41`	`DreamForce`	`mots: send me some umlauts in kopete please`
`11:44.57`	`mots`	`aleksanteri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperKaramba`
`11:45.03`	`Sho_`	`mots: One prominent encoding is ASCII, and American standard, which containd 128 characters, the German umlauts not among them. Many prominent encodings are extensions of ASCII, and thus the incompatibilities between them with German text show up specifically with umlauts rather than the ordinary a-z.`
`11:45.03`	`aleksanteri`	`ok`
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`11:45.09`	`mots`	`DreamForce: how?`
`11:45.18`	`mots`	`does kopete have irc builtin?`
`11:45.47`	`Jucato`	`mots: yep, but it's IRC features are quite krappy... I'd strongly recommend using Konversation`
`11:46.09`	`Sho_`	`mots: The problems you describe - you can type and send 'ä' just fine, i.e. we can read it, but you can't - point to some kind of system setup problem related to its assumed default encoding, perhaps`
`11:46.53`	`DreamForce`	`mots: i'm actually using kopete to talk to you right now :)`
`11:47.05`	`DreamForce`	`mots: sho_ is right, it's probably a system setup problem`
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`11:47.22`	`mots_kopete`	`1Ã€Ã¶`
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`11:47.45`	`mots`	`Dreamforce: this was äö, iirc`
`11:48.10`	`DreamForce`	`mots_kopete: this were german umlauts with UTF-8 encoding`
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`11:48.23`	`manu_`	`Jucato now i have another little problem, caused by some color changes in the theme, how to get the background of the clock non-colored`
`11:48.23`	`mots`	`well`
`11:48.29`	`mots`	`did you see them correctly?`
`11:48.31`	`manu_`	`or transparent`
`11:48.31`	`Sho_`	`mots: What is "Default charset" set to in the properties of the IRC account in Kopete?`
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`11:48.32`	`DreamForce`	`mots_kopete: no`
`11:48.34`	`Desintegr`	`�ber cool :)`
`11:49.03`	`Jucato`	`manu_: what type of clock is it? (Analog, Digital, Plain, Fuzzy?)`
`11:49.04`	`Sho_`	`manu_: Right-click the clock applet and chose "Configure clock"`
`11:49.10`	`mots`	`Sho_ utf8`
`11:49.36`	`manu_`	`Jucato plain`
`11:49.41`	`Sho_`	`mots: Curious ... I saw garbled text here, even though my IRC client should have no trouble understanding utf8`
`11:49.46`	`manu_`	`Sho_: yes im there`
`11:50.06`	`Sho_`	`mots: The 'ä' (a-umlaut) you sent earlier came out fine, though`
`11:50.08`	`CelticSoul`	`Can someone please tell me how to save the Konqueror window size? it automatically restores to the default size whenever I start it`
`11:50.12`	`Jucato`	`hm.. have to go now... gotta prepare for church`
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`11:52.29`	`mots`	`sry`
`11:52.33`	`mots`	`suxy connection`
`11:52.35`	`mots`	`amazingly, i saw correct umlauts in kopete (the ones i typed using konversation)`
`11:52.59`	`CelticSoul`	`somebody, please!`
`11:53.44`	`mots`	`Sho_, DreamForce, any ideas?`
`11:55.23`	`Sho_`	`mots: Could you put the output of "locale" in a Konsole up in a pastebin?`
`11:55.23`	`GNU\colossus`	`CelticSoul: save the kfm client profile with window-size`
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`11:55.27`	`mots_`	`amazingly, i saw correct umlauts in kopete (the ones i typed using konversation)`
`11:55.30`	`DreamForce`	`mots_: i strongly assume a weird system configuration. probably your distro is a UTF8-based distro`
`11:55.30`	`mots_`	`i hate my router`
`11:55.33`	`manu_`	`Sho_: and what to do in configure clock?`
`11:55.37`	`GNU\colossus`	`"Settings" -> "Save View profile"`
`11:56.36`	`Sho_`	`manu_: Configure the clock colors as you want them? :)`
`11:57.37`	`CelticSoul`	`GNU, I just tried it, it doesn't work`
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`11:58.23`	`CelticSoul`	`Oh, got it, I did not check the window size checkbox`
`11:58.39`	`Sho_`	`mots_: Could you put the output of "locale" in a Konsole up in a pastebin?`
`11:58.40`	`CelticSoul`	`thank you GNU\colossus`
`11:59.17`	`mots_`	`Sho_: it says de_AT.UTF-8@euro for all points`
`11:59.33`	`mots_`	`only the last one, LC_ALL is empty`
`12:01.17`	`mots_`	`well`
`12:01.20`	`mots_`	`i g2g eat`
`12:01.22`	`mots_`	`bbl`
`12:01.27`	`Kasyx`	`Do I need to do anything special to be able to view webcams in kopete?`
`12:02.41`	`Armi^`	`Kasyx: you probably have to open a port in you router/modem`
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`12:03.41`	`Armi^`	`Kasyx: I have port 6891 TCP opened`
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`12:04.39`	`Kasyx`	`Armi^: for yahoo? I don't need that under windows`
`12:05.38`	`Armi^`	`Ah, Thats the only im protocol that I dont use, so I cant help you with that. sorry`
`12:06.10`	`Kasyx`	`Hmm.`
`12:06.17`	`Kasyx`	`Cause it should just work`
`12:07.04`	`Armi^`	`well, when using msn, you should not be behind a firewall, becaue that wont work`
`12:07.22`	`Armi^`	`unless you open the right port`
`12:07.25`	`Kasyx`	`I know, but msn doesn't work for me anyway`
`12:07.57`	`Armi^`	`msn doesnt work? Under kopete?`
`12:08.23`	`Kasyx`	`At all. It's a gateway issue, don't worry I know aboutit.`
`12:08.32`	`Armi^`	`ah ok`
`12:08.35`	`Kasyx`	`Alas there is no fix that I know of`
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`12:10.51`	`Kasyx`	`Armi^: does webcam work with msn too, with kopete?`
`12:10.52`	`Armi^`	`Kasyx: but i cant help you further. Gotto go now. Going to do a Dutch tradition of blowing up old 30l milkcans :P`
`12:11.15`	`Armi^`	`Kasyx: yup, webcam works fine here`
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`12:12.11`	`Kasyx`	`Armi^: have fun, I found the problem, need jasper`
`12:12.30`	`Armi^`	`k, cya`
`12:13.57`	`Kasyx`	`Now I just need to figure out why kopete doesn't do irc :-(`
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`12:20.50`	`weyer`	`hi, does anybody know the correct WM_CLASS or WM_TYPE or another value for the kde menus? (start menu, context, popup, dropdown...) i can't get them trough xprop because it only takes the first entry, wich opens the menu and gives back the class for the desktop/DOCK`
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`12:29.58`	`mots_`	`well`
`12:29.59`	`mots_`	`re`
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`12:30.14`	`mots_`	`any neat ideas about my umlaut-problem?`
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`12:32.20`	`annma`	`mots_: can you repeat your peoblem please?`
`12:32.47`	`mots_`	`annma: i can't see the umlauts i type`
`12:32.57`	`mots_`	`altough other people seem to see them fine`
`12:33.06`	`annma`	`what app(s)?`
`12:33.06`	`mots_`	`except when i use kopete`
`12:33.10`	`annma`	`here, on IRC?`
`12:33.17`	`annma`	`set your IRC client to utf8`
`12:33.18`	`mots_`	`then they also only see garbled txt`
`12:33.23`	`mots_`	`anma: in any qt-app`
`12:33.34`	`annma`	`qt app? which one?`
`12:33.38`	`mots_`	`everyone`
`12:33.48`	`annma`	`can you be more specific`
`12:33.52`	`mots`	`well`
`12:34.02`	`mots`	`shall i show you an example using kopete?`
`12:34.14`	`annma`	`ok first answer a few questions`
`12:34.19`	`annma`	`distro?`
`12:34.22`	`mots`	`ubuntu`
`12:34.29`	`annma`	`language?`
`12:34.42`	`mots`	`language english, but keyboard set to german`
`12:34.48`	`annma`	`echo $KDE_LANG`
`12:34.52`	`annma`	`paste output`
`12:35.02`	`mots`	`no output`
`12:35.29`	`annma`	`echo $LANG`
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`12:35.49`	`annma`	`paste output`
`12:35.58`	`mots`	`i didn't get any`
`12:36.12`	`annma`	`LANG is not set either?`
`12:36.31`	`mots`	`oh`
`12:36.33`	`mots`	`LANG is`
`12:36.38`	`annma`	`so paste please`
`12:36.39`	`mots`	`de_AT.UTF-8@euro`
`12:36.48`	`annma`	`UTF8`
`12:37.04`	`annma`	`your KDE is in english though?`
`12:37.08`	`mots`	`yeah`
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`12:37.57`	`mots_kopete`	`1Ã¶Ã€Ã¶`
`12:37.59`	`annma`	`is there an encodong setting in kopete?`
`12:38.04`	`annma`	`no need`
`12:38.06`	`mots`	`this was öäö in kopete`
`12:38.08`	`mots`	`yeah`
`12:38.13`	`mots`	`its set to utf8`
`12:38.13`	`annma`	`I understand your probmem`
`12:38.17`	`annma`	`so unset it`
`12:38.31`	`annma`	`set it to west european iso`
`12:38.48`	`mots_kopete`	`1Ã¶`
`12:38.54`	`mots`	`still the same...`
`12:38.59`	`annma`	`and what so you use to type the correct umlauts?`
`12:39.07`	`mots`	`konversation`
`12:39.15`	`mots`	`but i still see them incorrect`
`12:39.16`	`annma`	`so it works in some qt apps`
`12:39.19`	`mots`	`well`
`12:39.23`	`mots`	`it works for you`
`12:39.30`	`annma`	`because i am smart`
`12:39.34`	`mots`	`but its displayed incorrectly for me`
`12:39.41`	`annma`	`ùèàç`
`12:39.49`	`annma`	`ï`
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`12:39.53`	`mots`	`nothing garbled`
`12:40.00`	`mots`	`its only my own input`
`12:40.00`	`annma`	`so it works for you`
`12:40.06`	`annma`	`ah bah`
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`12:40.12`	`annma`	`ask in #ubuntu`
`12:40.29`	`annma`	`somehow distros mess it all`
`12:41.20`	`weyer`	`annma: do you happen to know the window attributes for the menu's in kde (window class or another value)? i can't get them with xprop`
`12:42.00`	`annma`	`the menu's? the menu or the menus?`
`12:42.11`	`weyer`	`:-) menus`
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`12:42.16`	`weyer`	`sorry, dutch spelling`
`12:42.26`	`morg`	`KDE 3.5.5. I got dual-head set up yesterday (ie, one taskbar on each monitor), and after that I only have the taskbar on the first of my virtual desktops. Anyone know how i can fix it?`
`12:42.28`	`weyer`	`eg: start menu`
`12:47.59`	`annma`	`weyer: explain better please`
`12:50.03`	`Q-collective`	`my kicker restarted and now I don't have kget in my tray anymore... howto get to see kget?`
`12:50.27`	`weyer`	`i need the window class of the kde menu to change some properties in beryl (syntax there is: w:Window_class:property) and their howto says you have to use xprop to get that. (xprop \| grep CLASS) gives you the window class (eg: kicker). but xprop won't let me take the properties of a menu`
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`12:54.15`	`osku`	`hi there`
`12:54.31`	`osku`	`I have a black screen with kopete I didn't have few days ago`
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`12:56.43`	`bram85`	`osku: screenshot?`
`12:57.13`	`Q-collective`	`anyone?`
`12:58.18`	`osku`	`bram85: wait`
`12:59.51`	`osku`	`here :http://osku.free.fr/Partage/Archlinux/2006-12-31-140344_1440x900_scrot.png`
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`13:01.17`	`bram85`	`ok, it wasn't clear you were talking about webcams`
`13:01.58`	`osku`	`yes about webcam`
`13:01.59`	`osku`	`sorry`
`13:02.08`	`bram85`	`that's black magic to me :)`
`13:02.18`	`osku`	`;)`
`13:02.31`	`osku`	`any sorcerer ?`
`13:03.19`	`Kasyx`	`osku: is this with yahoo?`
`13:03.38`	`osku`	`what ?`
`13:03.44`	`Kasyx`	`osku: is it with yahoo webcam`
`13:04.07`	`osku`	`it is in kopete preferences`
`13:04.49`	`osku`	`with ekiga it works as a charm`
`13:04.55`	`Kasyx`	`Ah I see`
`13:04.58`	`Kasyx`	`ekiga?`
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`13:05.23`	`osku`	`ekiga , yet another webcam program`
`13:05.35`	`Kasyx`	`Ah, cool, need to try that`
`13:05.46`	`Kasyx`	`Can you see the source in mplayer?`
`13:06.04`	`osku`	`Kasyx: I check`
`13:06.47`	`osku`	`how in mplayer ?`
`13:07.36`	`Kasyx`	`http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_a_webcam#Recording`
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`13:08.20`	`osku`	`thanks`
`13:08.25`	`osku`	`works as a charm`
`13:08.29`	`Kasyx`	`Hmm`
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`13:08.56`	`Kasyx`	`I'm on a mission to get my webcam working today too, but I'm having major issues emergin spca5xx`
`13:09.02`	`Kasyx`	`As in, it doesn't :-(`
`13:09.09`	`Kasyx`	`And no one seems to want to help`
`13:09.32`	`JamesB192`	`it works for me.`
`13:09.39`	`annma`	`weirdly my integrated laptop cam works in kopete`
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`13:11.59`	`Kasyx`	`http://rafb.net/p/w1BkL375.html is the problem I get, if anyone here can help`
`13:12.35`	`thiago`	`Kasyx: fix your kernel`
`13:12.48`	`Kasyx`	`thiago: it's broken? o.o`
`13:13.02`	`thiago`	`Kasyx: no linux/config.h`
`13:13.17`	`Kasyx`	`In fact, I'm getting other weird build errors now`
`13:13.27`	`wedgeV`	`Kasyx: just remove the #include <linux/config.h> in the source files`
`13:13.42`	`thiago`	`no`
`13:13.44`	`Kasyx`	`wedgeV: I'm on gentoo, I just hit emerge and let it go`
`13:13.48`	`thiago`	`you should instead fix the kernel headers generation`
`13:14.11`	`wedgeV`	`there is no config/linux.h in kernels since 2.6.19`
`13:14.25`	`thiago`	`then use 2.6.18`
`13:14.25`	`JamesB192`	`change into /usr/src/linux and configure your kernel. or something.`
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`13:14.48`	`annma`	`I guess his app needs an older kernel than the one he has`
`13:14.50`	`Kasyx`	`What to though? I mean I don't see there's anything wrong, it compile fine. Am I missing something in it?`
`13:14.54`	`thiago`	`otherwise, you'll have to fix the source of the program in question, which is not as simple as removing the #include`
`13:15.00`	`Kasyx`	`Oh`
`13:15.01`	`wedgeV`	`thiago: it is`
`13:15.08`	`thiago`	`wedgeV: are you an MPlayer developer?`
`13:15.12`	`wedgeV`	`no`
`13:15.36`	`wedgeV`	`but i know that config/linux.h is an obsolete header`
`13:15.40`	`thiago`	`wedgeV: are you sure that the MPlayer source code doesn't use anything that used to be defined in config.h?`
`13:16.02`	`thiago`	`or in linux/autoconf.h?`
`13:16.51`	`wedgeV`	`thiago: no, of course i'm not, but take a look at your linux/config`
`13:16.57`	`wedgeV`	`.h`
`13:17.07`	`thiago`	`wedgeV: I did. Are you sure MPlayer isn't using anything coming from linux/autoconf.h?`
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`13:17.15`	`wedgeV`	`thiago: no`
`13:17.30`	`thiago`	`then don't tell people to remove the #include`
`13:17.35`	`wedgeV`	`why?`
`13:17.40`	`thiago`	`because that's the wrong solution`
`13:17.43`	`wedgeV`	`they can see if it works`
`13:17.46`	`wedgeV`	`no its not`
`13:17.55`	`Kasyx`	`So I need to move back to 2.6.18, is that what you're saying?`
`13:17.59`	`thiago`	`"hey, I have no idea if this breaks your build, but remove this line"`
`13:18.02`	`wedgeV`	`downgrading kernel is a proper solution?`
`13:18.08`	`thiago`	`how can that be a right solution?`
`13:18.09`	`wedgeV`	`yea`
`13:18.17`	`wedgeV`	`they will see if it works`
`13:18.21`	`thiago`	`have you tested?`
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`13:18.38`	`wedgeV`	`i'm not telling anyone that i will work 100%`
`13:18.47`	`thiago`	`I'm not saying you should`
`13:18.54`	`thiago`	`but you should at least be reasonably sure it will work`
`13:18.57`	`thiago`	`like having tested it before`
`13:19.02`	`thiago`	`or knowing the code in question`
`13:19.22`	`wedgeV`	`well i have removed the include in several modules and they all work fine for me`
`13:19.24`	`thiago`	`Kasyx: try changing the #include <linux/config.h> line to #include <linux/autoconf.h>`
`13:19.38`	`wedgeV`	`so i assume it will work fine here too`
`13:19.42`	`Kasyx`	`And then make make modules install? Or just try emerging again?`
`13:19.51`	`thiago`	`Kasyx: no, just compile MPlayer`
`13:20.04`	`thiago`	`Kasyx: and drop a note to the Gentoo packagers that there is an incompatibility`
`13:20.29`	`Kasyx`	`Why do I want to compile MPlayer? I've got MPlayer?`
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`13:20.50`	`Kasyx`	`It's spca5xx I'm trying to install heh`
`13:22.57`	`thiago`	`oh`
`13:23.13`	`Kasyx`	`grin`
`13:23.36`	`Kasyx`	`Same thing should work though, am I right?`
`13:23.52`	`thiago`	`yes`
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`13:24.22`	`Kasyx`	`Right, so where do I edit this line?`
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`13:27.08`	`JamesB192`	`I get the error '[blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase (is blocking kde-base/kdialog-7-r3' when emerging KDE4 on Gentoo.`
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`13:30.12`	`Kasyx`	`osku: what version of kopete is it you're using?`
`13:31.49`	`Q-collective`	`JamesB192: what ebuilds/overlay are you using?`
`13:32.15`	`JamesB192`	`I'm using the kde-experimental overlay`
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`13:33.09`	`osku`	`Kasyx: 0.12.3`
`13:34.13`	`Kasyx`	`osku: hmm, it should be using ekiga instead of gnome-meeting to do webcams`
`13:34.24`	`Kasyx`	`So if the cam works under ekiga, and not kopete....it's odd`
`13:34.56`	`Kasyx`	`Although the streaming should still work`
`13:35.04`	`Kasyx`	`Cause that'll be coming straight from the thing`
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`13:35.16`	`Kasyx`	`Does doing cat on the device show stuffs?`
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`13:38.03`	`JamesB192`	`I also have kde-3.5.5 installed.`
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`13:43.11`	`Q-collective`	`hmm`
`13:44.08`	`Q-collective`	`I have kdevelop 3.3.5 installed, yet the documentation tells me: "This user manual is intended to describe the contents and use of the KDevelop 3.1.0 Integrated Development Environment (IDE) from a user's point of view."`
`13:44.13`	`Q-collective`	`bug?`
`13:44.32`	`pinotree`	`no, non updated`
`13:44.39`	`Q-collective`	`obviously :p`
`13:45.33`	`pinotree`	`IMHO, "bug" in a documentation is more like a bad-written paragraph, typos or something similar`
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`13:46.56`	`Q-collective`	`well, if this documentation is about 3.1.x it is obviously out of date`
`13:47.08`	`pinotree`	`indeed`
`13:47.30`	`Q-collective`	`so, should I file a bugreport about it?`
`13:47.51`	`pinotree`	`Q-collective: might be worth asking in #kdevelop, maybe someone already knows that, or is working...`
`13:48.06`	`Q-collective`	`willdo`
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`14:09.37`	`mahound`	`hello :)`
`14:09.47`	`mahound`	`i needed some help with a kde piece of code`
`14:09.47`	`mahound`	`http://rafb.net/p/rYHfbw25.html`
`14:10.09`	`mahound`	`it's crashing`
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`14:11.10`	`pinotree`	`mahound: better ask in #kde-devel, it's more appropriate for that`
`14:11.48`	`mahound`	`thank you :)`
`14:11.51`	`londer`	`don't know what i have done but my dir listings is in desceding order, from z to a. how to reverse it?`
`14:12.10`	`Kasyx`	`londer: in konq?`
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`14:12.20`	`londer`	`Kasyx: yeah.`
`14:12.34`	`Kasyx`	`londer: hit the filename list header`
`14:12.34`	`JamesB192`	`click on name above the top of the column. or something.`
`14:12.58`	`Kasyx`	`Just like in windows spit`
`14:12.59`	`Kasyx`	`;-)`
`14:13.03`	`pinotree`	`londer: which view mode? icons? tree? in any case, doing what JamesB192 told should work`
`14:13.24`	`londer`	`k, i'll try it now.`
`14:14.28`	`londer`	`thks guys, it works. the arrow beside 'name' was facing down. now it is facing up.`
`14:14.40`	`Kasyx`	`Goodgood :-)`
`14:15.41`	`londer`	`Happy coming New Year to all. bye.`
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`14:48.01`	`Q-collective`	`is it planned for kmail4 to support gmail tagging? i would love to just download my 10 000 mails and don't have to reassign all of them again ^_^`
`14:50.09`	`Pinaraf`	`Q-collective: tagging isn't supported by POP3 protocol`
`14:50.21`	`Pinaraf`	`so there is no way for any mail reader to get the gmail tags...`
`14:50.29`	`Q-collective`	`doh`
`14:50.41`	`thiago`	`Q-collective: KMail 2`
`14:50.49`	`Q-collective`	`meh :)`
`14:51.08`	`thiago`	`unless GMail stores the tag in the message's header`
`14:51.24`	`pinotree`	`or gives the ossibility to export them to file`
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`14:54.12`	`Q-collective`	`hmm`
`14:54.48`	`Q-collective`	`this hinders a move to kmail :>`
`14:54.51`	`Q-collective`	`oh well`
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`14:56.07`	`Pinaraf`	`Q-collective: this hinders a move to any mail reader.`
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`14:56.43`	`thiago`	`it's called "lock-in"`
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`14:56.55`	`Q-collective`	`Pinaraf: yes, but I was interested in moving to kmail`
`14:57.05`	`Q-collective`	`thiago: indeed :p`
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`15:08.26`	`whirm`	`hi all`
`15:08.49`	`whirm`	`someone knows the pykde channel name?`
`15:09.01`	`[GALAXY]`	`#pykde ?`
`15:09.09`	`Kasyx`	`giggle`
`15:09.27`	`whirm`	`[GALAXY]: it's absolutely empty :-)`
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`15:09.52`	`lenscape`	`whirm: that means you created it`
`15:10.07`	`whirm`	`lenscape: I know :-)`
`15:10.17`	`lenscape`	`what do you want to know about pykde?`
`15:10.58`	`whirm`	`lenscape: how do I get the winID of all the windows in the current display`
`15:11.54`	`whirm`	`lenscape: I want to create a special behaviour for kwin, but I need to get this list so I can use the KWin module to move windows and get info from them :-)`
`15:13.48`	`lenscape`	`whirm can you not get the affect you want with "Window Behaviour" and "Window Specific Settings" in Kcontrol?`
`15:14.09`	`lenscape`	`otherwise take a look at wmctrl`
`15:14.18`	`whirm`	`lenscape: nope, I want to make behave it similar to ion3 window manager :-)`
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`15:14.59`	`lenscape`	`whirm: http://www.sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/`
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`15:16.11`	`whirm`	`lenscape: will give it a look, thanks!`
`15:17.05`	`whirm`	`lenscape: uh, but that's not a python module`
`15:18.27`	`lenscape`	`whirm: but, if it does what you want, write a wrapper using popen`
`15:19.41`	`whirm`	`lenscape: If i cannot find something already implemented I will have to do it :-)`
`15:19.44`	`whirm`	`lenscape: thanks`
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`15:22.57`	`lenscape`	`whirm: have you seen this? http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/index.html`
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`15:24.40`	`Carlos`	`hola`
`15:25.08`	`pinotree`	`hello Carlos`
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`15:25.26`	`Carlos`	`hablas español`
`15:25.30`	`pinotree`	`no`
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`15:26.14`	`whirm`	`lenscape: doesn't seem to talk about what I'm interested :-/`
`15:26.21`	`whirm`	`Carlos: que problema tienes :-)`
`15:26.33`	`pinotree`	`Carlos: english or #kde-es`
`15:27.53`	`Carlos`	`soy nuevo en este sistema operativo`
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`15:29.36`	`Carlos`	`alguien habla español`
`15:29.42`	`whirm`	`Carlos: mejor ve al canal #kde-es, es para hispanohablantes`
`15:29.49`	`lenscape`	`whirm: no. I realised that it was a bit light on information`
`15:30.26`	`Carlos`	`ok`
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`15:30.43`	`whirm`	`Carlos: aqui poca gente te entender� :-)`
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`15:48.30`	`Caster`	`is there a keyboard shortcut to take me to the path field in kde file open/save dialog? so I can navigate without mouse`
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`16:06.49`	`Jucato`	`annma: yay! Happy New Year!!! :)`
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`16:07.00`	`annma`	`:)))))))))`
`16:07.07`	`annma`	`is it 12pm for you?`
`16:07.15`	`Jucato`	`12am. yes :)`
`16:07.16`	`annma`	`HAPPY NEW YEAR`
`16:07.21`	`whirm`	`:-))))`
`16:07.21`	`Jucato`	`hehe thanks! :)`
`16:07.32`	`Kasyx`	`Heh, yay for an international channel :-)`
`16:07.36`	`annma`	`have a great 2007 year`
`16:07.40`	`Jucato`	`you're still 7 hours away?`
`16:07.47`	`Jucato`	`thanks!`
`16:07.49`	`Kasyx`	`8`
`16:07.55`	`annma`	`5 hours`
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`16:08.17`	`JamesB192`	`16`
`16:08.17`	`Jucato`	`2006 was my year of Linux, I wonder what 2007 will be...`
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`16:08.20`	`Kasyx`	`My aim is to beat kopete-svn into submission and install it before the bells ;-)`
`16:08.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`6 hrs 52 mins..`
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`16:08.50`	`annma`	`:))`
`16:09.07`	`Jucato`	`heh :)`
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`16:09.32`	`Jucato`	`hm... something's wrong with my blog... :O`
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`16:11.17`	`Kasyx`	`Has anyone got kopete-svn working here?`
`16:11.39`	`annma`	`Kasyx: kopete trunk?`
`16:11.53`	`annma`	`svn can be trunk or branch i.e. 4 or 3.5`
`16:12.57`	`Jucato`	`the only thing that sucks about this new year is that I'm a bit sick...:(`
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`16:13.21`	`annma`	`oh, what do you have?`
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`16:13.29`	`Jucato`	`colds, coughs, and asthma`
`16:13.37`	`annma`	`:(`
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`16:13.56`	`Jucato`	`it's not that bad... but I can't really enjoy fully...`
`16:14.04`	`Jucato`	`well, at least I get to celebrate here :D`
`16:14.25`	`annma`	`:))`
`16:14.36`	`annma`	`and it must be warm`
`16:14.45`	`annma`	`well here it's above 10C`
`16:14.55`	`Jucato`	`oh it's a bit cold`
`16:14.55`	`annma`	`it changes from Canada`
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`16:16.53`	`Jucato`	`10C... that's still cold by our standards :)`
`16:16.53`	`Kasyx`	`Jucato: how's -4 for you then? :-P`
`16:17.04`	`Jucato`	`lol we'd be dead from hypothermia :)`
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`16:17.12`	`Kasyx`	`grin`
`16:17.23`	`ReTyPe`	`is there an easy-fast way to know the english/untranslated name of a menu on my localised (dutch) KDE ?? it's not always easy to translate back when i am asking help in english`
`16:17.29`	`Jucato`	`hm.. hold on... 10C we'll already be dead :O`
`16:17.42`	`Kasyx`	`Jucato: uh? How?`
`16:18.15`	`Jucato`	`from hypothermia... it's already freakingly cold if it gets less that 20C here... (we're a tropical country)`
`16:18.32`	`Kasyx`	`Jucato: haha`
`16:18.45`	`Kasyx`	`Well I may as well be in the Arctic Circle :-P`
`16:19.17`	`Jucato`	`hm.... are there penguins there? or are they in antarctica? :D`
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`16:21.28`	`annma`	`ReTyPe: you have to look in the .desktop files so it's not easy, no`
`16:22.06`	`annma`	`ReTyPe: but usually we manage to help each other even if we have different languages`
`16:23.31`	`ReTyPe`	`it would be nice if it was possible to be able to switch between the english and the local translation, and maybe set it fixed, if it is a weird/funny/ambigious translation`
`16:24.33`	`ReTyPe`	`then it would be possible to see the english, and maybe even keep it in english`
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`16:28.10`	`annma`	`ReTyPe: you can run the app in english`
`16:28.23`	`annma`	`KDE_LANG=en8US appname`
`16:28.27`	`annma`	`KDE_LANG=en_US appname`
`16:29.54`	`ReTyPe`	`annma: i dont understand where to type this`
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`16:30.44`	`annma`	`in konsole, ReTyPe`
`16:30.55`	`Jucato`	`it's an environment variable, I think`
`16:31.09`	`annma`	`yes`
`16:31.16`	`annma`	`it does not work in Alt F2`
`16:32.11`	`ReTyPe`	`its not even an option with alt-f2`
`16:32.16`	`ReTyPe`	`but it worked from console`
`16:32.18`	`Jucato`	`I think the full command should be "export KDE_LANG=en_US"`
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`16:32.54`	`ReTyPe`	`Jucato: then everythin from then on would start with that language i think`
`16:33.21`	`Jucato`	`ReTyPe: only until you logout of that Konsole Session (Ctrl+D or logout)`
`16:33.29`	`Jucato`	`or "unset KDE_LANG"`
`16:34.27`	`ReTyPe`	`but it worked the way annma described, i just typed the appname with a Captial`
`16:34.32`	`ReTyPe`	`*capital`
`16:34.49`	`Jucato`	`ah`
`16:35.10`	`annma`	`appname = konqueror or anything`
`16:35.27`	`annma`	`KDE_LANG=en_US konqueror`
`16:35.38`	`annma`	`runs konq in english in ly French KDE`
`16:36.15`	`Jucato`	`hm... let me try... what's the KDE_LANG argument for French?`
`16:37.13`	`annma`	`you need to have the kde-i18n-fr Jucato`
`16:37.17`	`annma`	`fr_FR`
`16:37.22`	`Jucato`	`ah ok...`
`16:37.29`	`annma`	`;) everyone has the english one`
`16:37.37`	`annma`	`so that's not a problem`
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`16:37.51`	`annma`	`but for other languages you need all translations installed`
`16:37.57`	`Jucato`	`heh looks like I don't have those :)`
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`16:38.04`	`Jucato`	`but curious enough to try :)`
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`16:38.28`	`Jucato`	`that's one good thing about having Debian packages available... you can try things very kuickly :)`
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`16:38.47`	`Jucato`	`and remove them after you're done playing`
`16:38.47`	`LnxSlck`	`is there a tool of kde like ksnapshot but instead it makes avi files ???`
`16:39.00`	`benJIman`	`there's xvidcap, not a kde app though`
`16:39.12`	`LnxSlck`	`benJIman, i know, but i was looking for a kde tool`
`16:39.26`	`LnxSlck`	`benJIman, xvidcap is a pain in the arss to install`
`16:39.34`	`Jucato`	`hm.. screenkast? or was it skreencast?`
`16:39.42`	`benJIman`	`screenkast, not tried that`
`16:39.47`	`benJIman`	`xvidcap works fine though`
`16:39.51`	`LnxSlck`	`Jucato, let me ask google`
`16:40.08`	`benJIman`	`http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=41938`
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`16:40.52`	`Jucato`	`oh yeah, screenkast. thanks! :)`
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`16:43.35`	`Jucato`	`annma: this is what caused me to get sick (cleaning it up): http://jucato.org/gallery/v/photos/room/`
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`16:44.36`	`Kasyx`	`Jucato: you've only got one computer o.o`
`16:44.38`	`annma`	`how come?`
`16:45.01`	`Jucato`	`annma: all the dust and dirt that accumulated... the best way to trigger an asthma attack :)`
`16:45.18`	`Jucato`	`Kasyx: yes, I only have one... which a major deterrent in developing :P`
`16:45.20`	`annma`	`oh, you must clean your room!`
`16:45.51`	`Jucato`	`I do clean my room.. but must do it regularly... daily in fact..`
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`16:46.13`	`annma`	`YES`
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`16:46.29`	`Jucato`	`you should have seen the dust bunnies :)`
`16:46.46`	`annma`	`oh my`
`16:46.53`	`annma`	`your room is nice`
`16:47.02`	`Jucato`	`heh thanks.`
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`16:47.12`	`Kasyx`	`Hey ytoox`
`16:47.12`	`Jucato`	`the bigger problem is maintaining it that way...`
`16:47.18`	`ytoox`	`Hi`
`16:47.27`	`ytoox`	`did you get naghira mikesque working=`
`16:47.28`	`annma`	`who is the little one with your mum and dad?`
`16:47.29`	`ytoox`	`¿`
`16:47.46`	`Jucato`	`annma: dad? where? I don't have a dad :P`
`16:47.51`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox: I tried milkesque last night. I didn't get it working, because the two other files (the color theme and theother one) give 404s :-(`
`16:47.53`	`ytoox`	`Kasyx: Join baghira`
`16:48.05`	`annma`	`Jaicelle`
`16:48.16`	`Jucato`	`annma: oh that's my godchild :)`
`16:48.21`	`Jucato`	`those aren't my parents :P`
`16:48.26`	`annma`	`it's a razndom image that appears on the left`
`16:48.42`	`annma`	`yes they are maybe a bit too young`
`16:48.46`	`annma`	`nice baby`
`16:49.05`	`LnxSlck`	`benJIman, have you instaled xvidcap ?`
`16:49.10`	`Jucato`	`yeah. they're just my age. around 23`
`16:49.28`	`benJIman`	`LnxSlck: yeah`
`16:49.52`	`Jucato`	`annma: and i got some nice books for very nice (low) prices. I guess that's the highlight of my Christmas week... at least until my sister fulfills her promise and gets me that violin`
`16:50.04`	`LnxSlck`	`benJIman, does it record audio too ?`
`16:50.06`	`annma`	`a violin!`
`16:50.17`	`benJIman`	`LnxSlck: not afaik`
`16:50.19`	`annma`	`i hope you'll get it`
`16:50.23`	`annma`	`I have to go`
`16:50.26`	`Jucato`	`annma: heh yes. I plan on learning how to play it`
`16:50.33`	`Jucato`	`annma: me too... bed's calling me`
`16:50.42`	`annma`	`HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all`
`16:50.48`	`Jucato`	`Happy New Year, one and all!!`
`16:50.49`	`LnxSlck`	`annma, happy new year`
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`16:50.50`	`annma`	`and see you ... next year!!!`
`16:50.55`	`annma`	`bye all`
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`16:51.12`	`Jucato`	`heh I'll wait for the rest of the world to play catch up :)`
`16:51.36`	`LnxSlck`	`i have 7 hours till midnight`
`16:51.37`	`LnxSlck`	`:D`
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`16:51.59`	`Jucato`	`heh`
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`17:01.45`	`Kasyx`	`oGALAXYo: were you helping me with milkesque last night?`
`17:02.00`	`oGALAXYo`	`dunno, if you cant remember :)`
`17:02.05`	`Kasyx`	`Heh`
`17:03.11`	`Ace2016`	`is milkesque a new theme for kde?`
`17:03.16`	`Kasyx`	`no`
`17:03.20`	`Kasyx`	`It's a patch for baghira`
`17:03.29`	`Kasyx`	`ytoox and I are trying to get it working, without success`
`17:03.33`	`Ace2016`	`oh ok, what does it do?`
`17:03.42`	`Kasyx`	`Because two of the files (baghirarc and color-theme) are 404 from kde-look`
`17:03.58`	`Kasyx`	`http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=30789`
`17:04.09`	`ytoox`	`Ace2016: join baghira`
`17:04.46`	`Kasyx`	`Well there's no real need really, unless Ace2016 can help`
`17:04.56`	`Ace2016`	`i like qtcurve`
`17:05.14`	`Ace2016`	`Are you guys baghira devs?`
`17:05.15`	`ytoox`	`me too, but milkesque looks so kool`
`17:05.17`	`ytoox`	`nop`
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`17:05.36`	`ytoox`	`I'm trying to find out why these patches wont work`
`17:05.58`	`Kasyx`	`I think it's because there are two files missing which we need, which oGALAXYo (I'm sure it was you) said to put in last night`
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`17:06.24`	`oGALAXYo`	`hmm easy thing`
`17:06.36`	`oGALAXYo`	`why dont you contact the author of that theme and ask for putting the files online again ?`
`17:06.55`	`ytoox`	`that guy is nowhere to be found`
`17:07.02`	`ytoox`	`I thinkç`
`17:07.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`mail`
`17:07.34`	`ytoox`	`didnt work`
`17:07.35`	`ytoox`	`for me`
`17:08.11`	`benJIman`	`Sho_: how does your new nvidia card perfom with the linux drivers btw? I recently had to get a new card and it performs 10% worse than my 3year old mid range card.`
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`17:18.19`	`knoppix`	`excuse me, i have one question`
`17:18.54`	`knoppix`	`if i klick in the latest KDE Dekstop on on of the four desktop buttons, my desktop is changing to an empty desktop`
`17:18.59`	`knoppix`	`how can i go beack?`
`17:19.09`	`Kasyx`	`Click on one of the other desktops`
`17:19.18`	`knoppix`	`i have no taskbar`
`17:19.24`	`ReTyPe`	`ctrl + F1`
`17:19.25`	`Kasyx`	`Erm, alt+fn`
`17:19.29`	`Kasyx`	`Ah no, ctrl`
`17:19.39`	`knoppix`	`it?s empty with only a wallpaper and some icons from my desktop`
`17:19.49`	`knoppix`	`ctrl+ ?`
`17:19.53`	`knoppix`	`F1`
`17:19.56`	`MrGrim`	`erm, running kde on top of kde was probably not the wisest idea`
`17:19.56`	`knoppix`	`ok, i will try`
`17:20.16`	`knoppix`	`i have a default-configuration`
`17:20.28`	`knoppix`	`i?m running the KNOPPIX Live-CD and i?m new in KDE`
`17:20.35`	`knoppix`	`ok, i will try now...`
`17:20.52`	`knoppix`	`ah!`
`17:20.54`	`Jucato`	`Alt+F1 calls up the K Menu`
`17:20.58`	`knoppix`	`it was ctrl + F1`
`17:20.59`	`ReTyPe`	`if you dont have anything you want to save, you can restart you X-session with alt-return i think`
`17:21.01`	`MrGrim`	`I suppose the idea would be to start a second x server and run it in there.. something like xephyr, xnest, or xgl, or another separate server on another virtual console`
`17:21.21`	`knoppix`	`but that is bad... :( how should a newuser know this shortcut`
`17:21.39`	`Kasyx`	`A new user shouldn't really have gotten rid of the taskbar, tbh`
`17:21.47`	`knoppix`	`i just want to change to one of my four "virtual" Desktops`
`17:21.48`	`knoppix`	`:(`
`17:21.53`	`ReTyPe`	`its the default one to change to first desktop`
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`17:22.18`	`knoppix`	`i really have an untouched KDE Desktop :(`
`17:22.40`	`Kasyx`	`Well the taskbar by default shows up on all desktops`
`17:22.43`	`Kasyx`	`Is it set to autohide?`
`17:22.55`	`knoppix`	`the only thing what a new-user can do is to guess the keyboard-shortcut :(`
`17:23.09`	`knoppix`	`i have the newest KNOPPIX Live-CD`
`17:23.13`	`Kasyx`	`knoppix: the taskbar should be visible at all times when you start`
`17:23.14`	`knoppix`	`buil 12-30`
`17:23.51`	`knoppix`	`my taskbar is visible, but if i klick on one of the four desktops, it hides itself and i don?t know how to go back`
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`17:24.04`	`knoppix`	`ok, now i know how to do, but what is with all the new users`
`17:24.05`	`knoppix`	`:(`
`17:24.35`	`Kasyx`	`Ok, and what I'm saying is that all of those virtual desktops should have the taskbar visible by default. Everytime I've installed it it's been fine`
`17:24.57`	`Kasyx`	`It sounds like a problem with the knoppix version. Have any other knoppix users had this problem?`
`17:25.03`	`knoppix`	`try the latest KNOPPIX`
`17:25.10`	`Kasyx`	`I'd rather not, thanks :-)`
`17:25.17`	`Kasyx`	`I'm happy with my distro`
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`17:25.26`	`knoppix`	`it?s one day old`
`17:25.33`	`knoppix`	`i just was confused`
`17:25.44`	`Kasyx`	`knoppix: cool!`
`17:25.56`	`Kasyx`	`knoppix: but have you heard of a similar thing from other knoppix users?`
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`17:26.06`	`knoppix`	`by the way the distro of my choise is ubuntu with gnome`
`17:26.08`	`JamesB192`	`It's so new it still smells bad.`
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`17:28.23`	`knoppix`	`hmmm...`
`17:28.36`	`knoppix`	`but KDE feels more "funny"`
`17:28.37`	`knoppix`	`:)`
`17:30.43`	`knoppix`	`bye and thanks many!`
`17:31.00`	`knoppix`	`and bye KDE, see you in "feisty" :-/`
`17:31.03`	`knoppix`	`maybe...`
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`17:33.52`	`Behi`	`hi all`
`17:34.08`	`icwiener`	`lool, it's a legal problem to support streaming for Linux. ;)`
`17:34.24`	`icwiener`	`http://ceuweb.belbone.be/faq.php?lang=EN second point`
`17:35.00`	`Behi`	`do we have a kde-focused distro with an apt-based package management?`
`17:35.13`	`Theory`	`like kubuntu?`
`17:35.13`	`WhiteStool`	`Behi: Try Kubuntu`
`17:35.15`	`icwiener`	`Behi: Kubuntu.`
`17:35.17`	`WhiteStool`	`xD`
`17:35.22`	`WhiteStool`	`I`
`17:35.26`	`WhiteStool`	`I am using it now`
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`17:35.41`	`Behi`	`WhiteStool: oh, I forgot to say, other than Kubuntu :p`
`17:35.58`	`icwiener`	`I am using Debian with KDE... never gets this "focussed" thing.`
`17:36.02`	`MinceR`	`icwiener: they don't explain it`
`17:36.09`	`MinceR`	`so i'll categorize this as FUD`
`17:36.24`	`Behi`	`Right now I have openSuse 10.2 installed`
`17:36.26`	`MinceR`	`eu sucks, nothing new.`
`17:36.27`	`Behi`	`it's cool`
`17:36.42`	`hollywoodb`	`Behi: simplemepis`
`17:36.44`	`Behi`	`but package management is very slow compared to apt...`
`17:36.44`	`icwiener`	`MinceR: This topic goes through the german media atm, so there is a online petition for open formats in EU council: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/eu_streaming_service_for_everybody`
`17:36.57`	`benJIman`	`Behi: have you removed ZMD?`
`17:37.18`	`Behi`	`Zenworks?`
`17:37.20`	`icwiener`	`Behi: Knoppix?`
`17:37.22`	`MinceR`	`it was hard to prevent even sw patents`
`17:37.57`	`Behi`	`benJIman: is ZMD the same thing as Zenworks?`
`17:37.59`	`benJIman`	`Behi: yeah, "rpm -e zmd zen-updater rug" will speed things up, and stop you having to use gnomish things in kde`
`17:38.00`	`MinceR`	`the eu should protect us from the usa, not enforce their stupid ideas of laws on us`
`17:38.07`	`benJIman`	`Behi: or just deselect them in yast sw_single`
`17:38.45`	`Behi`	`what is ZMD beJIman?`
`17:39.19`	`JamesB192`	`most people in the usa are OK you just have to avoid the politicians and the corporate zombies.`
`17:39.31`	`Behi`	`icwiener: isn't Knoppix a live distro?`
`17:40.09`	`icwiener`	`Behi: It was designed as one, but it has an installer for some time.`
`17:40.19`	`MinceR`	`too bad the politicians and the big corps are in control.`
`17:40.32`	`benJIman`	`Behi: zenworks management daemon, if you don't know what it is you don't need it, it just slows things down and increases liklihood of breakage`
`17:40.56`	`Behi`	`benJIman: ok, thanks...`
`17:41.27`	`benJIman`	`Behi: when you remove zen-updater you'll get the KDE one instead of the gtk one as well`
`17:42.05`	`Behi`	`ok`
`17:42.47`	`Behi`	`is there a place where I can find a bunch of kde4 screenshots?`
`17:43.09`	`icwiener`	`KDE$ looks like KDE3 atm`
`17:43.13`	`icwiener`	`*KDE4`
`17:43.25`	`Behi`	`hollywoodb: how does SimplyMEPIS compare to Kubuntu?`
`17:43.26`	`icwiener`	`...almost...`
`17:43.46`	`Behi`	`ok`
`17:47.23`	`Behi`	`benJIman: I executed rpm -e zmd zen-updater rug`
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`17:47.41`	`Behi`	`now Package Manager is not opening up...`
`17:48.03`	`Behi`	`oh`
`17:48.04`	`benJIman`	`Behi: what package manager?`
`17:48.18`	`vignesh`	`Jucato: hey`
`17:48.45`	`Behi`	`benJIman: np... fixed... I think that opensuse is a little bit buggy... sometimes when I open a program it closes down immediately`
`17:49.19`	`benJIman`	`O_o`
`17:49.45`	`Behi`	`:))`
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`17:56.19`	`ilj`	`HAPPY NEW YEAR #KDE!`
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`17:59.33`	`boingolov`	`I'm trying to get kppp to basically just call a pppd connection script from /etc/ppp/peers . Is there any way to get it to completely bypass its own modem initialization, etc?`
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`18:01.03`	`boingolov`	`for instance, "pppd call blah" works from command line, I just want kppp to call pppd that way and nothing else`
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`18:05.24`	`oGALAXYo`	`boingolov: this is a kde channel.. related for kde specific talks.`
`18:05.43`	`oGALAXYo`	`boingolov: kppp is basicly a frontend to ppp`
`18:05.57`	`oGALAXYo`	`boingolov: reading pppd manuals would probably help..`
`18:06.11`	`boingolov`	`oGALAXYo, pppd works from command line, if you had read the initial post`
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`18:06.28`	`texjoachim`	`what do I need to enter in kde to make opera my default browser?`
`18:10.04`	`hollywoodb`	`Behi: I dunno, I haven't used it, I believe it is based on an Ubuntu/Debian core with their own KDE packaging`
`18:10.57`	`Kasyx`	`texjoachim: easy!`
`18:11.03`	`Kasyx`	`texjoachim: lemme just find where it is again`
`18:11.53`	`Kasyx`	`kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Components Chooser -> Web Browser.`
`18:12.10`	`Behi`	`hollywoodb: ok... thanks anyways...`
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`18:27.27`	`BlackBsd`	`what can i use to reencode from ogg to mp3?`
`18:28.15`	`BlackBsd`	`i know this is not good to do, but i dont have the original cd anymore and i need an mp3 version..`
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`18:29.09`	`Jevon`	`Maybe you guys can help`
`18:29.12`	`Q-collective`	`a happy new year to all! (4 hours early, but I'm off soon, so)`
`18:30.27`	`Jevon`	`I have Mandrake 9.2 with a KDE 3.1 interface. I recently ran into a KFMExec error saying "retrieving data from devices is not supported" I have never had any problems till now. Any ideas how to fix this?`
`18:30.35`	`texjoachim`	`Kasyx: ok, and what do I enter?`
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`18:31.12`	`Q-collective`	`Jevon: first: update to kde 3.5.5`
`18:31.23`	`Jevon`	`why?`
`18:31.51`	`Q-collective`	`because kde 3.1 is ancient, no-one runs it and thusly no-one can help you with it`
`18:32.10`	`Q-collective`	`besides, there have been a serious amount of enhancements since 3.1`
`18:32.32`	`Jevon`	`I like it the way it was. What do I need so bad to update it for?`
`18:33.04`	`Q-collective`	`if you like it the way it was, you can always configure it that way ofcourse`
`18:33.08`	`thiago`	`because you want something that you don't have`
`18:34.00`	`Jevon`	`If my system even ran 3.5`
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`18:38.31`	`logixoul`	`Jevon: would updating KDE be problematic? like you have low bandwidth or something?`
`18:39.16`	`Jevon`	`low bandwidth? I run 19.4 k`
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`18:40.36`	`Chaos88`	`is there anyone could help me? :)`
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`18:41.12`	`Jevon`	`If i tried to download it, I would probably be seeing a few hours at the least`
`18:41.41`	`shuffle2`	`yoes.... i've noticed that sometimes taskbar popups appear towards the upper-left of my screen... is this a kde bug?`
`18:42.02`	`shuffle2`	`for instance, http://24.229.164.158:8001/snapshot2.jpg`
`18:42.20`	`shuffle2`	`it also happens with kopete messages (sometimes)`
`18:42.24`	`Jevon`	`were you pushing the little button on your keyboard that has a little taskbar/windows icon?`
`18:42.49`	`shuffle2`	`me? no`
`18:43.00`	`Jevon`	`are you sure?`
`18:43.09`	`shuffle2`	`...`
`18:43.22`	`Jevon`	`I have accidentally hit it before`
`18:48.02`	`illogic-al`	`HA`
`18:48.04`	`illogic-al`	`PY`
`18:48.06`	`illogic-al`	`NEW YEAR!`
`18:48.46`	`Jevon`	`I still have 10 hours and 15 minutes before New years...`
`18:49.06`	`shuffle2`	`Jevon:same! EST?`
`18:49.26`	`shuffle2`	`ok...nevermind then jevon....`
`18:49.29`	`Kasyx`	`Hwh`
`18:49.31`	`Kasyx`	`*heh`
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`18:59.34`	`Chaos88`	`AUguri a tutti... ciaoooooooooo`
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`19:01.33`	`illogic-al`	`lol`
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`20:08.02`	`icwiener`	`So, who wanted to see KDE4 screenshots? ;)`
`20:08.20`	`Kasyx`	`YUM!`
`20:08.23`	`Kasyx`	`Yes please`
`20:08.33`	`Renze`	`is there anything to see yet?`
`20:08.33`	`Kasyx`	`As long as you aren't taking the michael :-P`
`20:08.39`	`icwiener`	`http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6879/kde4cn7.png :P`
`20:09.21`	`icwiener`	`Renze: No, but there are so many questions every day... ;)`
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`20:09.53`	`Renze`	`the new mahjongg tiles are nice, though`
`20:10.18`	`icwiener`	`Somehow, I liked the old ones.`
`20:10.34`	`icwiener`	`*like ... since they are still here. :)`
`20:10.37`	`Renze`	`I prefer the new, scalable ones`
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`20:11.08`	`icwiener`	`Yeah, technically spoken, the new ones are better. I simply do not like the look.`
`20:11.26`	`Renze`	`I prefer the new look too`
`20:11.33`	`Renze`	`tastes differ ;)`
`20:11.42`	`icwiener`	`sure :)`
`20:12.04`	`qupada`	`the new ones look more like actual mahjongg tiles (in colour, etc)`
`20:12.34`	`icwiener`	`But I prefer the new versions too, because they will be themeable. :)`
`20:13.36`	`qupada`	`heh, betting is open for how long it takes before there is a set with penguins and GNUs on`
`20:13.56`	`icwiener`	`I wondered about the green stuff under every tile. Do the real tiles look like that?`
`20:14.13`	`qupada`	`not any tiles i've seen`
`20:14.48`	`Renze`	`that's probably a "usability" thing ‒ so people can see how many tiles are stacked ;)`
`20:14.50`	`qupada`	`i don't own a set myself, but the last one i saw the tiles were one colour, close enough to white`
`20:14.59`	`icwiener`	`looks like they are about 3cm thick`
`20:15.54`	`illogic-al`	`wooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooo!`
`20:15.54`	`qupada`	`yeah, kshisen isn't useful for that unfortunately, only has 2 axes`
`20:15.54`	`icwiener`	`ivory, propably. ;)`
`20:15.54`	`illogic-al`	`I don't have to finish my proposal this week!`
`20:15.54`	`illogic-al`	`w00t!`
`20:15.54`	`illogic-al`	`PARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!`
`20:16.12`	`illogic-al`	`speaking of now playing scripts.`
`20:16.30`	`illogic-al`	`does anyone have a non gay one for konversation ?`
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`20:16.48`	`qupada`	`i have one, but it only works with mpd`
`20:17.09`	`icwiener`	`define gay`
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`20:17.13`	`qupada`	`and it's a shellscript, so it depends on using '/exec' or whatever your client's equivalent is`
`20:17.24`	`illogic-al`	`I want mine all pimped out w/ music symbols and COLOUR! :-)`
`20:17.43`	`illogic-al`	`icwiener: plain like the output from my script :-)`
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`20:17.50`	`icwiener`	`Oh, that's really gay`
`20:17.57`	`illogic-al`	`er, color (for the american lads in the audience)`
`20:18.00`	`illogic-al`	`lol`
`20:18.49`	`illogic-al`	`icwiener: nevermind the fact that the rainbow is the symbol for homosexuals (I'm willing to overlook that)`
`20:18.55`	`illogic-al`	`in all my magnamity`
`20:19.08`	`illogic-al`	`icwiener: well, i could do without the color. Just for you.`
`20:19.11`	`Renze`	`you're magnetic?`
`20:19.18`	`icwiener`	`hehe`
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`20:19.33`	`icwiener`	`Renze: Greetings from 2006 btw. :D`
`20:19.46`	`Renze`	`living in the past... ;)`
`20:19.51`	`illogic-al`	`magnanimity :-P`
`20:19.53`	`Renze`	`Mon Jan 1 09:19:34 NZDT 2007`
`20:20.11`	`illogic-al`	`Renze: it's 2006 2.0 apparently`
`20:20.13`	`icwiener`	`I hear messages from the future!`
`20:20.20`	`qupada`	`Renze: did you stay up and see what festivities the city had on offer?`
`20:20.22`	`illogic-al`	`[13:53] <Flameeyes> vmlemon, http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/`
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`20:20.35`	`Renze`	`qupada: nope, I went to sleep shortly after midnight`
`20:21.22`	`qupada`	`Renze: yeah same, could have been something to do with the rain and cold southerly. methinks the joke is on the people who did stay up looking for fireworks`
`20:21.58`	`Renze`	`illogic-al: so far it's just more of the same`
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`20:22.25`	`illogic-al`	`Renze: predictably, baby new year never does anything interesting.`
`20:22.56`	`qupada`	`icwiener: yeah, don't stay up and wait for it, new year doesn't want to know you nearly as much as you want to know it`
`20:23.47`	`icwiener`	`I thought as much...`
`20:25.13`	`qupada`	`Renze: you have to admit though, it would have been so much more fun if nuclear missles had launched at random and robots had rebelled against people though`
`20:25.32`	`Renze`	`qupada: that's what my parents were expecting... I laughed at them a lot`
`20:25.47`	`icwiener`	`Robots? Aibo? :D`
`20:26.19`	`tvtoon`	`qupada, it will not last longer until that happens, MWAHAHA`
`20:26.45`	`illogic-al`	`wow. the konvi media script is really well written now.`
`20:27.45`	`Renze`	`gargamel? the smurf hater?`
`20:28.02`	`illogic-al`	`Somehow that spelling seems off.`
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`20:28.25`	`illogic-al`	`Renze: but, no, not gargamel. argonel. he updated the konvi media script`
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`20:30.02`	`qt`	`Hello everyone. kde keeps cutting short some custom system sounds any thoughts?`
`20:30.23`	`qupada`	`turn sounds off?`
`20:30.29`	`icwiener`	`year 2k7 problem`
`20:30.36`	`illogic-al`	`heheh`
`20:30.42`	`qupada`	`that tends to be the thought i have every time i think about system sounds`
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`20:31.11`	`icwiener`	`qt: Do you use the wav or the ogg files?`
`20:31.32`	`icwiener`	`qt: Try playing them with the given command to see, if the player plays them right.`
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`20:32.57`	`qt`	`Hi icwiener: ogg`
`20:33.20`	`qt`	`I stole the knoppix startup and shutdown oggs`
`20:33.34`	`icwiener`	`thief`
`20:33.53`	`qt`	`:)`
`20:34.12`	`icwiener`	`Do you play them with ogg123?`
`20:34.25`	`qt`	`Umm not sure?`
`20:34.31`	`qt`	`how do I find out?`
`20:34.44`	`icwiener`	`You can see that under the sounds settings in kcontrol.`
`20:34.45`	`qt`	`sorry a bit nuub`
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`20:35.32`	`icwiener`	`Renze: Yes, me too, but exclude coruppted files is a good start. ;)`
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`20:35.45`	`qt`	`just changed from kde to ogg123 and bingo Thanks!`
`20:36.10`	`icwiener`	`lucky that ogg321 is installed. ;)`
`20:36.35`	`qt`	`I have pre-empable desktop configured in the kernel. I wonder if that could effect things?`
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`20:37.51`	`icwiener`	`don't know that.`
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`20:52.50`	`deitarion`	Can anyone remember or point me to a document listing the pre-OpenDocument KWord file extensions (and, if possible, the mimetypes that the `file` command will return with -i)?
`20:53.00`	`deitarion`	`s/KWord/KOffice/`
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`20:54.00`	`deitarion`	`(I want to add them to the list of checked things in a cronscript I wrote which checks for things which need to be convered or otherwise corrected)`
`20:54.24`	`deitarion`	`s/convered/converted (Crumbs in my keyboard)`
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`20:55.27`	`niveau`	`#ich.feier.sylvester.im.irc`
`20:55.37`	`pinotree`	`niveau: ???!!??`
`20:55.43`	`niveau`	`yeah :D`
`20:55.48`	`pinotree`	`no`
`20:55.54`	`pinotree`	`no spam please`
`20:56.06`	`niveau`	`but that's the best channel on earth :(`
`20:56.24`	`pinotree`	`deitarion: just open eg kword and see the file filters in the open dialog`
`20:56.36`	`pinotree`	`niveau: spam anyway, for the topic of _this_ channel`
`20:56.45`	`deitarion`	`pinotree: I only have KCalc and Karbon14 installed.`
`20:57.09`	`deitarion`	`(Gentoo split ebuilds)`
`20:57.30`	`Renze`	`deitarion: the extension is .kwd`
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`20:58.05`	`tvtoon`	`niveau, no offenses, why do you think someone wanted to go into another network, when we have FREENODE?`
`20:58.13`	`tvtoon`	`bratz ...`
`21:00.01`	`deitarion`	`Renze: Thanks for that one. What about KPresenter and KWord templates? (equivalents to .odp and .odt, if memory serves)`
`21:00.31`	`Renze`	`deitarion: sorry, I don't have any kpresenter or kword template files`
`21:00.53`	`deitarion`	`Should be in the file load/save dialogs.`
`21:01.14`	`deitarion`	`...oh, they don't show the extensions.`
`21:01.50`	`deitarion`	`Correction: The load dialog doesn't show extensions.`
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`21:10.08`	`Renze`	`deitarion: .kwt for kword templates`
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`21:10.58`	`Renze`	`deitarion: .kpr for kpresenter`
`21:10.59`	`defiantrican`	`Is it possible for someone to give me a hand with a lost mouse please.`
`21:11.15`	`Renze`	`defiantrican: put out some cheese`
`21:11.23`	`oGALAXYo`	`i need my hands for other things :)`
`21:11.24`	`defiantrican`	`Renze LMAO`
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`21:12.11`	`defiantrican`	`What I mean is that when my OS loads I see the mouse fine, then when the login screen comes up, the pointer disappers and does nto come back`
`21:12.23`	`Renze`	`bad mouse theme?`
`21:12.28`	`defiantrican`	`I tried that too`
`21:12.45`	`Renze`	`that's the only thing I can think of that would make a pointer disappear`
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`21:13.19`	`defiantrican`	`When a program loads though I can see it. Like the hour glass thingy on M$`
`21:13.43`	`Renze`	`yeah, definitely sounds like a bad mouse theme`
`21:13.56`	`Renze`	`missing pixmaps`
`21:14.02`	`defiantrican`	`Ok, where do I check for that.`
`21:14.15`	`defiantrican`	`I hasd someone else tell me that they did. That is why I said it was tried already`
`21:14.23`	`Renze`	`kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse, cursor theme tab`
`21:15.01`	`deitarion`	`Renze: Thanks. I think I've completed my list now.`
`21:15.21`	`defiantrican`	`Renze there is no mouse under peripherals`
`21:15.34`	`Renze`	`defiantrican: you must be using a very old version of KDE then`
`21:15.53`	`defiantrican`	`how can I update it or tell what version?`
`21:16.01`	`Renze`	`defiantrican: that depends on your distro`
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`21:16.07`	`defiantrican`	`FC6`
`21:16.15`	`Renze`	`defiantrican: the version can be found in the About KDE dialog in any KDE app`
`21:16.26`	`Renze`	`ew, fedora...`
`21:17.02`	`oGALAXYo`	`heh`
`21:17.07`	`oGALAXYo`	`thats a fucked kde..`
`21:17.21`	`oGALAXYo`	`a mixture of kdeism and gnomeism`
`21:17.29`	`defiantrican`	`Is it really?`
`21:17.38`	`oGALAXYo`	`well.. yes`
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`21:17.45`	`n3kl_`	`Hi`
`21:17.59`	`n3kl_`	`How can I get two login screens on virtual terminals for kdm?`
`21:18.12`	`Renze`	`n3kl_: by manually editing the kdmrc file`
`21:18.13`	`defiantrican`	`I still can't find the version`
`21:18.16`	`intrade`	`Renze: happy new year :p`
`21:18.29`	`Renze`	`defiantrican: try kde-config --version in a terminal then`
`21:18.37`	`Renze`	`intrade: crappy new year`
`21:18.52`	`n3kl_`	`Renze: do you happen to know the variable name?`
`21:18.54`	`defiantrican`	`3.5.5-0.2`
`21:19.02`	`Renze`	`n3kl_: nope`
`21:19.08`	`defiantrican`	`kde-config 1.0`
`21:19.16`	`JamesB192`	`maybe open a KDE app and look under help/about KDE`
`21:19.30`	`defiantrican`	`Qt 3.3.7`
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`21:20.39`	`oGALAXYo`	`fedora legacy project going down..`
`21:20.42`	`oGALAXYo`	`now on slashdot.org`
`21:20.44`	`defiantrican`	`That is what the ap says 3.5.5-0.2 fc6`
`21:20.47`	`Renze`	`defiantrican: 3.5.5 is the latest version... if you don't have the mouse option under peripherals, blame fedora`
`21:21.05`	`defiantrican`	`Renze, is there another way?`
`21:21.12`	`Renze`	`defiantrican: nope`
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`21:23.00`	`defiantrican`	`ok I found it. It says I have to restart KDE`
`21:23.03`	`defiantrican`	`How do I do that?`
`21:23.10`	`Renze`	`log out/log in`
`21:23.17`	`n3kl_`	`Renze: thanks`
`21:23.26`	`defiantrican`	`LMAO. Now I feel dumb. Thanks for the help lets see if this works`
`21:23.29`	`Renze`	`n3kl_: no problem`
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`21:24.47`	`defiantrican`	`Nope that did not work.`
`21:24.54`	`defiantrican`	`It beeps then the mouse disappears`
`21:25.28`	`defiantrican`	`it happened after I did yum clear, then yum update last night`
`21:25.38`	`Renze`	`I know nothing about yum`
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`21:26.20`	`defiantrican`	`Ok thanks you very much`
`21:26.26`	`intrade`	`me alsmost none yum install paket was fedora i recall`
`21:26.31`	`sPiN`	`hi everyone does anyone use the GTD plugin for kontact, im just finding it and still researching it, it appears to be in svn...`
`21:26.39`	`sPiN`	`it was a SOC project`
`21:26.54`	`pinotree`	`sPiN: --> #kontact`
`21:27.05`	`sPiN`	`ahh thanks`
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`21:28.36`	`oGALAXYo`	`thats the only thing that works in gnome`
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`21:33.15`	`oGALAXYo`	`only crap on tv.. what a boring day..`
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`21:36.48`	`fishsponge`	`hey people... anyone know how to turn off single-click loading of files in Konqueror?`
`21:36.57`	`fishsponge`	`i want single-click to select the file, and double-click to load the file... i can't find the option in the settings anywhere...`
`21:37.17`	`fishsponge`	`sorry about the bold...`
`21:37.21`	`Renze`	`fishsponge: kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse`
`21:37.22`	`oGALAXYo`	`please stop using bold lining..`
`21:38.26`	`fishsponge`	`ah... found it`
`21:38.47`	`fishsponge`	`and already apologised for bold... it was an accident. xchat gives no indication that you accidentally pressed Ctrl + B! lol`
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`21:57.23`	`Justinl`	`Evening all ...`
`21:57.46`	`Renze`	`evening? it's 10:57am`
`21:58.11`	`Justinl`	`In 2006 or 2007 ?`
`21:58.17`	`Renze`	`2007, of course`
`21:58.32`	`Justinl`	`now that's just bum waggling :)`
`21:58.45`	`Justinl`	`I'm just SOOO last year ..`
`21:58.51`	`XVampireX`	`Anyone here using Twinkle?`
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`21:59.01`	`XVampireX`	`Is there any option to cancel echo?`
`21:59.01`	`Justinl`	`fraid not ...`
`21:59.33`	`Justinl`	`Ok so this is most stupid question ever asked on the channel ..`
`21:59.58`	`Justinl`	`how do you stop the text scrolling in terminal mode in Linux ?`
`22:00.15`	`Justinl`	`so it works something like dir /p in Dos ..`
`22:00.40`	`rmarianski`	`Justinl: pipe into "less"`
`22:00.44`	`Renze`	`ls -la \| less`
`22:00.47`	`rmarianski`	`Justinl: so something like: "ls \| less"`
`22:01.01`	`Justinl`	`I love you all :)`
`22:01.14`	`Renze`	`sorry, my door don't swing that way ;)`
`22:01.20`	`Justinl`	`You can imagine me as an 18 year old girl from stockholm if you like ..`
`22:01.41`	`Justinl`	`Or as a 36 year old father of three ..`
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`22:09.06`	`Justinl`	`anyone have any idea why my APT (In debian) cannot do a DNS lookup ?`
`22:09.44`	`Justinl`	`I can Ping security.debian.Blah.Blah .. and it works fine ..`
`22:09.44`	`Renze`	`Justinl: #debian`
`22:10.00`	`Justinl`	`Thanks ..`
`22:10.04`	`Justinl`	`I suck BTW ..:)`
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`22:55.27`	`deitarion`	`Does anyone know of a command-line tool for converting sxw/sxc to their OpenDocument equivalents that I could wrap in a few lines of shell script? (batch conversion is what I'm after)`
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`22:56.10`	`deitarion`	`I ask here in case someone ran across one during a migration to KOffice.`
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