| 00:00.06 | alsuren | Renze: does apt understand ~word is not...? |
| 00:00.15 | Renze | alsuren: no idea :) |
| 00:00.31 | alsuren | ~help |
| 00:00.46 | ObsidianX | http://pengu.in/~obsidianx/latest.jpg |
| 00:00.50 | Sutoka | looks like kpdf (3.5.4) isn't vulnerable to the recent exploits discovered in Acrobat (at least the ones that have a demo pdf) |
| 00:00.50 | ObsidianX | wewt |
| 00:01.32 | alsuren | ~forget up |
| 00:01.32 | apt | i forgot up, alsuren |
| 00:01.39 | Renze | ~up is the opposite of down |
| 00:01.40 | apt | Renze: okay |
| 00:01.46 | alsuren | w00t |
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| 00:01.59 | alsuren | ~up |
| 00:02.00 | apt | i guess up is the opposite of down |
| 00:02.03 | Renze | useless factoid, but whatever :) |
| 00:02.19 | alsuren | why do I find this so funny? |
| 00:02.28 | Renze | because you're pished |
| 00:02.42 | alsuren | ~alsuren is pissed |
| 00:02.44 | apt | alsuren: okay |
| 00:03.00 | Theory | what's up? |
| 00:03.06 | Renze | ~up |
| 00:03.07 | apt | [up] the opposite of down |
| 00:03.07 | qupada | ObsidianX: it's like, all seethrough, and stuff. |
| 00:04.09 | ObsidianX | qupada: heheh, indeed ;P |
| 00:05.13 | Sutoka | yet another reason why kpdf rocks it looks like :-) |
| 00:05.57 | Renze | Sutoka: ? |
| 00:06.38 | Sutoka | Renze: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2016606,00.asp <-- "Hacker Discovers Adobe PDF Back Doors" (slashdot is in love with that title) |
| 00:06.54 | Renze | ah :) |
| 00:07.03 | Sho_ | ObsidianX: Hm, what codebase is that? |
| 00:07.24 | Sho_ | ObsidianX: Or is that the same old pseudo-translucency hack? |
| 00:07.32 | ObsidianX | Sho_: pseudo |
| 00:07.35 | Sho_ | ah |
| 00:07.43 | ObsidianX | kde 3.5.4 |
| 00:07.45 | Sho_ | And I thought someone had resurrected the COMPOSITE trickery in Konsole |
| 00:08.01 | Sutoka | konsole used to support composite? |
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| 00:08.12 | ObsidianX | bleh, composite breaks shite |
| 00:08.38 | Sutoka | ObsidianX: Xgl is actually a lot more stable than XComposite extension, kinda surprisingly |
| 00:08.40 | Sho_ | Sutoka: never in a release version |
| 00:08.44 | Sho_ | Sutoka: But the code is there |
| 00:08.45 | Sutoka | Sho_: ah |
| 00:08.50 | Sho_ | Sutoka: But disabled |
| 00:09.22 | toufeliz | hi, which is the tool that look for installed programs and add them to the kmenu? i've used this before but i don't remember its name |
| 00:09.27 | Sutoka | Sho_: was it disabled pretty much because of the instability of composite? |
| 00:09.45 | Renze | toufeliz: kappfinder |
| 00:09.47 | Sho_ | Sutoka: and because of Qt3 bugs with ARGB viduals |
| 00:09.56 | Sho_ | toufeliz: kappfinder |
| 00:10.02 | Renze | Sho_: snap! |
| 00:10.08 | Sho_ | Renze: bah |
| 00:10.19 | Sutoka | toufeliz: kappfinder |
| 00:10.25 | Sutoka | wow beat to it by a good bit |
| 00:10.26 | toufeliz | thanks |
| 00:10.32 | ObsidianX | xgl and xcomposite both break things, just in different ways :P |
| 00:11.04 | Sutoka | Sho_: any idea if Qt4 is better in that regard? |
| 00:11.11 | alsuren | ObsidianX: does xgl cause xorg to crash every few hours? |
| 00:11.38 | Sho_ | Sutoka: Yes, much. In general, Qt4 offers best-of-class performance when it comes to graphics. |
| 00:11.40 | toufeliz | thanks Sutoka |
| 00:11.42 | ObsidianX | alsuren: havent seen that happen |
| 00:11.54 | Sutoka | alsuren: i've ran Xgl for a good while and its pretty stable (when i first ran it around the original releases it was pretty unstable but its gotten a lot better) |
| 00:11.58 | Sho_ | Sutoka: 4.2 is like being a kid in a toystore |
| 00:12.10 | Sutoka | Sho_: thats very good to know |
| 00:12.33 | ObsidianX | Sutoka: i just find that the new plugins for compiz are buggy |
| 00:12.36 | alsuren | kde composite caused crashes of X using nVidia official drivers on my desktop |
| 00:12.48 | ObsidianX | alsuren: ditto |
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| 00:13.59 | Sutoka | ObsidianX: i haven't updated in a while, but the Water plugin had never caused any problems for me other than it not doing it directly over kdesktop (thats the only 3rd party one i tried) |
| 00:14.42 | alsuren | Sho_: 4.2 of what? |
| 00:14.46 | Sutoka | alsuren: Qt |
| 00:14.47 | ObsidianX | heh, set rain to have an interval of 0 |
| 00:14.50 | Sho_ | alsuren: qt |
| 00:15.18 | Sutoka | ObsidianX: i never tried playing with the rain plugins,,, though i have been able to throw a window all the way around the cube |
| 00:15.29 | ObsidianX | heheh |
| 00:15.36 | Sutoka | alsuren: you have to say it at the same time! |
| 00:15.49 | ObsidianX | 17:14 < Sutoka> alsuren: Qt |
| 00:15.51 | ObsidianX | 17:14 < Sho_> alsuren: qt |
| 00:16.00 | ObsidianX | :o |
| 00:16.06 | alsuren | samboski: give or take ping from here to NZ, I say that's the same time |
| 00:16.14 | Sho_ | ObsidianX: Qt does bear repeating |
| 00:16.15 | Sho_ | :) |
| 00:16.38 | Sutoka | Sho_: it repeats bears? isn't that kinda dangerous? ;) |
| 00:16.46 | Johnathan | Thanks Rezen, svn up worked :D |
| 00:17.20 | alsuren | Sutoka: Sutoka Sutoka Sho_ Sho_ Sho_ |
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| 00:17.24 | alsuren | there |
| 00:17.34 | Renze | Johnathan: no problem |
| 00:18.08 | ObsidianX | alsuren: what was that? releasing the jinx? |
| 00:18.16 | alsuren | yeah |
| 00:18.20 | ObsidianX | heheh, |
| 00:18.38 | Sutoka | alsuren: seemed more like you were casting an incantation to me |
| 00:19.14 | alsuren | if I were casting an incantation on you, I would need your full name |
| 00:19.40 | alsuren | ever seen 'spirited away' anyone? |
| 00:19.50 | Renze | yes |
| 00:20.10 | Sutoka | no... my friend loves that movie but i think it looks stupid... |
| 00:20.25 | alsuren | don't knock it until you've seen it |
| 00:20.39 | ObsidianX | http://images.akihabaranews.com/news_pics/10529/9.jpg |
| 00:20.40 | alsuren | maybe watch some more grown up anime first though |
| 00:21.12 | ObsidianX | heh, one of the better anime shows |
| 00:21.30 | Renze | ObsidianX: that screen is too small |
| 00:21.33 | alsuren | ccs? |
| 00:22.33 | alsuren | why do I have http://landing.ancestry.co.uk/uki/collection.aspx?html=db1&popunder=1&o_xid=26225&o_lid=26225&o_xt=24970&offerid=0%3a723%3a0 in one of my tabs in IE7? |
| 00:23.03 | Sutoka | alsuren: IE7? *gag* |
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| 00:23.13 | Renze | IE7? what's that? |
| 00:23.55 | alsuren | Sutoka: I know, but while IE6 is almost as good as konq, it doesn't have tabs, and is therefore unusable |
| 00:24.01 | Sutoka | oh yes and s-cry-ed, ghost in the shell, trigun, part of tsubasa, and i can't even remember so many still... |
| 00:24.27 | alsuren | ghost in the shell 2 is the only one I seen |
| 00:24.35 | Sutoka | the second movie? |
| 00:24.37 | alsuren | is it worth seeing the first? |
| 00:24.55 | Sutoka | did you like the movie? |
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| 00:25.00 | alsuren | yeah |
| 00:25.14 | Sutoka | then its worth seeing the other movie, and the series (2 seasons) |
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| 00:25.39 | alsuren | series eh? |
| 00:25.40 | Sutoka | i bought both movies a couple months ago and really enjoyed both |
| 00:26.24 | Sutoka | the movies were made, then not long ago the series were made (though i think the series takes place before the movies) |
| 00:26.49 | alsuren | some girl from my old school has promised to drag me to anime soc. at uni. maybe I should get up to scratch |
| 00:27.23 | Sutoka | theres lots of good anime out there |
| 00:27.53 | alsuren | true |
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| 00:28.39 | Sutoka | most of its kinda hard to find though (friends and adult swim's saturday night lineup have been pretty much the best sources) |
| 00:28.58 | ObsidianX | Renze: 1280x1024? |
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| 00:29.04 | Renze | ObsidianX: no, I mean the screen on that weird laptop thingy |
| 00:29.14 | Renze | what you posted the link to |
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| 00:30.39 | alsuren | alright: 'hunt for red october' is way too confusing when you're only hald listening |
| 00:30.51 | alsuren | *half |
| 00:31.17 | ObsidianX | Renze: oh :D |
| 00:31.24 | ObsidianX | Renze: yeah, pretty teeny |
| 00:31.24 | Sutoka | apt: get pissed off at alsuren you stupid bot! |
| 00:31.37 | Renze | ~alsuren |
| 00:31.41 | apt | rumour has it, alsuren is pissed |
| 00:31.53 | Sutoka | ~renze |
| 00:32.02 | Renze | I'm not a factoid :P |
| 00:32.10 | Sutoka | ~apt |
| 00:32.12 | apt | rumour has it, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). APT is also known as the best package management system in existence today. |
| 00:33.28 | Sutoka | ~factoid |
| 00:33.36 | Sutoka | factoid isn't a factoid! |
| 00:33.55 | MinceR | ~~ |
| 00:33.56 | apt | Every moment in which im called upon is torture |
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| 00:34.25 | Sutoka | apt: good, lets keep it that way |
| 00:35.41 | alsuren | anyone want to teach apt what an apostrophy is? |
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| 00:36.10 | Renze | or an apostrophe :) |
| 00:36.35 | alsuren | shush yew. stop taking the piss out of the pissed |
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| 00:37.15 | alsuren | ~Renze is being howwible to alsuren :'( |
| 00:37.16 | apt | alsuren: okay |
| 00:37.35 | Renze | ~forget Renze |
| 00:37.35 | apt | Renze: i forgot renze |
| 00:37.38 | Sutoka | ~Renze |
| 00:37.42 | Renze | hee hee :D |
| 00:37.56 | Sutoka | ~forget who you are, you know what, just forget everything! |
| 00:37.56 | apt | i didn't have anything called 'who you are, you know what, just forget everything!' to forget, Sutoka |
| 00:38.11 | Sutoka | foiled again :-( |
| 00:38.35 | alsuren | ~ignore Renze |
| 00:38.36 | apt | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Renze!" |
| 00:38.47 | Renze | apt is a her? |
| 00:38.50 | Sutoka | ~ignore apt |
| 00:38.52 | apt | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, apt!" |
| 00:39.12 | alsuren | who wants to define a new entry for Renze? |
| 00:39.23 | Sutoka | ~ignore I'm sticking my fingers in my ears |
| 00:39.24 | apt | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, I'm sticking my fingers in my ears!" |
| 00:40.11 | MinceR | lol |
| 00:40.46 | MinceR | !ignore ...wait, I actually can hear you! But I really wish I couldn't! |
| 00:40.50 | MinceR | ~ignore ...wait, I actually can hear you! But I really wish I couldn't! |
| 00:40.51 | apt | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, ...wait, I actually can hear you! But I really wish I couldn't!!" |
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| 00:41.19 | Sutoka | ~ignore hehe! OW! I just stuck my fingers too far into my ears... :-( Now I forgot algebra |
| 00:41.21 | apt | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, hehe! OW! I just stuck my fingers too far into my ears... :-( Now I forgot algebra!" |
| 00:41.26 | MinceR | :D |
| 00:41.53 | Sutoka | if somebody checks the bots logs they're gonna wonder wtf is wrong with the people in #kde |
| 00:41.59 | mcrandello | anyone know how to make kde printing save/acknowledge my margin settings? |
| 00:42.20 | Renze | Sutoka: it's friday night in parts of the world... they will understand :) |
| 00:42.39 | Renze | of course it's Saturday afternoon here, so I have no excuse |
| 00:43.30 | Sutoka | well its friday night here, so i have an excuse! |
| 00:43.43 | Renze | Sutoka: pass the bourbon! |
| 00:43.59 | alsuren | anyone have anything useful to say to mcrandello? we've been off topic long enough |
| 00:44.21 | Renze | I don't have a functioning printer :) |
| 00:44.34 | Renze | I prefer to not kill trees :D |
| 00:44.39 | qupada | mcrandello: probably not kde's fault. check cups' settings |
| 00:44.46 | qupada | mcrandello: if necessary, feed it a new ppd file |
| 00:44.47 | mcrandello | was afraid of that |
| 00:44.52 | mcrandello | cups that is |
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| 00:45.50 | alsuren | Sutoka: where in the world does that put you again? |
| 00:46.00 | mcrandello | I found a driver that has a "nearest and scale" setting for fit-to-page, hopefully that fixes it |
| 00:46.19 | Sutoka | alsuren: in the printer-less part? |
| 00:46.29 | qupada | alsuren: well it's 8PM Eastern daylight time right now |
| 00:46.35 | qupada | that makes friday night |
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| 00:47.16 | alsuren | ~HfRO is hunt for red october: don't watch this film while in #kde while drunk. You will not understand a word of it |
| 00:47.18 | apt | okay, alsuren |
| 00:47.38 | Sutoka | ~kde |
| 00:47.40 | apt | i heard kde is killer demon evangelists |
| 00:47.54 | Sutoka | ~gnome |
| 00:47.56 | apt | gnome is probably a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or a spatial file manager |
| 00:48.08 | alsuren | so the eue ess of ay? How boring |
| 00:48.15 | Sutoka | ~windows |
| 00:48.16 | apt | windows is probably a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs |
| 00:48.37 | Sutoka | ~osx |
| 00:48.38 | apt | i guess osx is such a good OS it owns people's afr0's, or massively over-rated |
| 00:48.54 | Sutoka | ~linux |
| 00:48.56 | apt | hmm... linux is a steaming pile of groganpaste |
| 00:49.07 | Theory | ~bsd |
| 00:49.08 | apt | hmm... bsd is a UNIX operating system. An asterisk port is currently being worked on. |
| 00:49.19 | Sutoka | ~solaris |
| 00:49.20 | apt | well, solaris is Sun's unix derivative, or a very nice OS, or slowlaris, or doomed |
| 00:49.31 | Sutoka | ~unix |
| 00:49.32 | apt | unix is, like, A lot like DOS, but a MUCH more powerful operating system. It was developed at Bell Labs and is now being developed by many other corporations. It is mainly used as a multi-user server for mainframes, although companies like Novell offer it for the desktop market as well. not at all like dos beyond the superficial similarities in the command line ... |
| 00:49.49 | Sutoka | ~dos |
| 00:49.51 | apt | rumour has it, dos is (Disk Operating System) This OS is what got it all started for PCs. Denial of Service... |
| 00:50.09 | MinceR | these records show a great deal of ignorance |
| 00:50.17 | Sutoka | ~mincer |
| 00:50.40 | Sutoka | ~mincer MinceR doesn't like me for some reason... |
| 00:51.00 | alsuren | Sutoka: incorrect syntax |
| 00:51.05 | Sutoka | ... stupid bots! you call your self user friendly!?!? |
| 00:51.10 | MinceR | ~apt |
| 00:51.11 | apt | well, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). APT is also known as the best package management system in existence today. |
| 00:51.16 | MinceR | no they don't |
| 00:51.23 | mcrandello | ~vi |
| 00:51.25 | apt | hmm... vi is the best text editor in the world. |
| 00:51.34 | MinceR | ~vim |
| 00:51.35 | apt | vim is, like, better than emacs |
| 00:51.35 | qupada | heh, it has got something right |
| 00:51.36 | mcrandello | obviously this thing is broken |
| 00:51.48 | MinceR | yeah, it gets some things right at last |
| 00:51.50 | Renze | vim! |
| 00:51.59 | Sutoka | ~emacs |
| 00:52.00 | apt | emacs is probably as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it |
| 00:52.10 | mcrandello | ~pico |
| 00:52.12 | apt | hmm... pico is a non-free text editor. Try nano as a GPL'ed alternative, or if you insist on pico, download the source for pine from non-free, build it, and install the resulting pico_something.deb |
| 00:52.15 | Sutoka | ~xemacs |
| 00:52.17 | apt | Internationalized text editor. URL: http://www.xemacs.org/ |
| 00:52.23 | mikedep333 | ~konqueror |
| 00:52.25 | apt | hmm... konqueror is a file-manager for KDE with needs a lot of libs from KDE, also a lot of RAM usage for launch the good work not is waranteed in Elive of course, you have alternatives, evidence, rox-filer, xfe, xffm... but if you like to use is your problem, remeber of if you use and launch konqueror, your system is more slow and Elive lost points |
| 00:52.27 | mcrandello | okay fair and balanced at least |
| 00:52.47 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 00:52.54 | mikedep333 | I still love konqueror, memory hog or not |
| 00:52.55 | Sutoka | ~firefox |
| 00:52.57 | apt | firefox is probably the lightweight browser from the Mozilla Project, formerly named Mozilla Firebird, formerly Phoenix. See also: Thunderbird. |
| 00:53.03 | Sutoka | 'lightweight'??? |
| 00:53.12 | qupada | compared to mozilla |
| 00:53.12 | mikedep333 | not in terms of memory usage |
| 00:53.16 | qupada | at least at the time |
| 00:53.16 | mikedep333 | like all gecko browsers |
| 00:53.17 | Sutoka | ~mozilla |
| 00:53.18 | apt | i guess mozilla is a big bloated steaming pile, or made in Javascript?, or a pretty useful web browser |
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| 00:53.30 | Sutoka | ~openoffice |
| 00:53.32 | apt | methinks openoffice is a GPL Gtk based Productivity Suite based upon Sun's StarOffice http://www.openoffice.org. See #debian-oo http://www.linux-debian.de/openoffice for debs. try 'deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/ stable main contrib' if mirrors from the first URL do not work |
| 00:53.32 | mikedep333 | ~internet explorer |
| 00:53.33 | apt | rumour has it, internet explorer is browser monopolistically merged with all versions of Windows since Win95OSR2, or sometimes seen on Macs |
| 00:53.45 | Sutoka | ~wine |
| 00:53.46 | apt | Emulator of the Windows 3.x and Win32 APIs.. URL: http://www.winehq.com/, or a good way of curing the aches and pains of a systems integrator, or not half as good as beer, or best served in a clean wine glass after supper, or comes in may colours and flavors |
| 00:54.03 | mikedep333 | ~rms |
| 00:54.05 | apt | somebody said rms was the founder of GNU, and wrote the really cool text editor EMACS |
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| 00:54.18 | mikedep333 | it needs to make up it's mind, is emacs good or not? |
| 00:54.19 | Sutoka | ~konversation |
| 00:54.20 | apt | it has been said that konversation is a user-friendly IRC client at http://www.konversation.org. |
| 00:54.26 | Sutoka | ~irc |
| 00:54.27 | apt | well, irc is Internet Relay Chat or a massive time sink |
| 00:54.29 | Sho_ | (And it is!) |
| 00:54.32 | mikedep333 | ~gaim |
| 00:54.34 | apt | well, gaim is n IM client for the Ipaq, currently in Familiar. main site at http://gaim.sf.net/ |
| 00:54.34 | Theory | ~bot-abuse |
| 00:54.40 | Sutoka | ~kopete |
| 00:54.42 | apt | rumour has it, kopete is a IM application for KDE. At the moment it works with ICQ, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, IRC and MSN, or more information at kopete.kde.org |
| 00:54.54 | mikedep333 | ~freenode |
| 00:54.56 | apt | rumour has it, freenode is netsplits |
| 00:55.02 | mikedep333 | lol |
| 00:55.12 | mikedep333 | ~george w. bush |
| 00:55.13 | apt | methinks george w. bush is Dubya, or a war-mongering fundamentalist patriot douche bag. |
| 00:55.13 | mcrandello | ~dec |
| 00:55.15 | apt | somebody said dec was short for Digital Equipment Corporation. Although it is owned by Compaq, it is a seperate entity and continues to churn out high quality products. It currently manufactures the fastest processor in the world, the 1GHz Alpha 21264. |
| 00:55.31 | mcrandello | wow no zany barbs |
| 00:55.40 | mikedep333 | ~amd |
| 00:55.41 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, amd is a kick ass company or a company that makes CPUs that break very easily when over heated |
| 00:55.43 | alsuren | alright: why has irssi highlighted george w. bush? |
| 00:56.03 | mikedep333 | ~saddam hussein |
| 00:56.07 | mcrandello | because it does that before sending things off to the NSA |
| 00:56.18 | mikedep333 | ~gpl |
| 00:56.19 | apt | gpl is probably an awful and terrible license. you know stallman wants to do away with the LGPL entirely also |
| 00:56.20 | mcrandello | makes it easier for echelon to fnord things |
| 00:56.35 | mikedep333 | ~microsoft |
| 00:56.38 | apt | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." |
| 00:56.50 | sugarat | Alpha is deprecated :-) |
| 00:56.58 | mikedep333 | ~pentium |
| 00:57.00 | apt | somebody said pentium was a chip made by intel, the original pentiums had the "fpu bug" ask me about that. |
| 00:57.08 | mikedep333 | ~fpu bug |
| 00:57.10 | apt | well, fpu bug is a problem with original Pentium chips which can be replaced by going to: http://pentium.intel.com/procs/support/pentium/fdiv/fdiv.htm |
| 00:57.10 | mcrandello | ~f00f |
| 00:57.12 | apt | methinks f00f is http://x86.ddj.com/errata/dec97/f00fbug.htm or F0 0F C7 C8 |
| 00:57.27 | Sutoka | ~athlon |
| 00:57.29 | apt | AMD's Athlon is beter then anything Intel has any day of the week. |
| 00:57.37 | Sutoka | ~celeron |
| 00:57.38 | apt | it has been said that celeron is a \"budget\" CPU from Intel that also happens to be highly overclockable, or similar to a Pentium II but with less cache Dont buy it. Duron pounds the shit out of it. |
| 00:57.45 | mcrandello | ~triskaidekephobia |
| 00:57.53 | mikedep333 | ~xfce |
| 00:57.55 | apt | somebody said xfce was a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . apt-get install xfce |
| 00:58.06 | mikedep333 | ~ubuntu |
| 00:58.08 | apt | somebody said ubuntu was a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 00:58.08 | Sutoka | ~twm |
| 00:58.09 | apt | [twm] a very basic window manager for X. |
| 00:58.22 | mikedep333 | ~based on debian |
| 00:58.23 | apt | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 00:58.47 | Sutoka | ~xorg |
| 00:58.49 | apt | i guess xorg is The X.Org Foundation, the worldwide consortium empowered with the stewardship and collaborative development of the X Window System technology and standards. http://X.org/ |
| 00:58.52 | mikedep333 | is apt a copy of a bot from the #debian ? |
| 00:58.56 | Sutoka | ~xfree86 |
| 00:58.58 | apt | xfree86 is probably at http://www.xfree86.org |
| 00:59.15 | Sutoka | ~rpm |
| 00:59.16 | apt | Red Hat's package management system. URL: http://www.rpm.org/ |
| 00:59.22 | mikedep333 | ~yast |
| 00:59.23 | apt | hmm... yast is "Yet Another Setup Tool" and is used by SuSE for installation and configuration. It has now been GPL'd thanks to its acquisition by Novell. |
| 00:59.25 | Sutoka | no funny insulting comment about rpm!??! |
| 00:59.34 | Sutoka | ~yum |
| 00:59.35 | apt | methinks yum is Yellowdog Updater Modified, available from http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ |
| 00:59.37 | Sutoka | ~gentoo |
| 00:59.38 | apt | gentoo is probably foo |
| 00:59.40 | Sutoka | ~portage |
| 00:59.42 | apt | [portage] the gentoo's bsd style ports system written in python, *way* more reliable than apt |
| 00:59.42 | mikedep333 | apt works with rpm |
| 00:59.47 | Sutoka | ~forget gentoo |
| 01:00.13 | mikedep333 | ~bill gates |
| 01:00.14 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, bill gates is lord of Darkness |
| 01:00.26 | Renze | ~steve ballmer |
| 01:00.28 | apt | i guess steve ballmer is a Homer Simpson lookalike and professional hitman for Khrushchev, from whom he was cloned, and from whom he learned to bury people, and picking up one of his trademark phrases, "We will bury you!" Born Yuri Stefanovich Ballmerski in Soviet Russia in 1949 (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/User:Steve_Ballmer) |
| 01:00.43 | mikedep333 | ~wikipedia |
| 01:01.23 | mikedep333 | ~wikipedia unix |
| 01:01.28 | alsuren | who knows how to get apt to unignore people? I feel guilty now.... or did someone alreadt do it? |
| 01:01.40 | Renze | alsuren: it's not a real ignore |
| 01:01.42 | mikedep333 | that's useful |
| 01:01.48 | alsuren | ah |
| 01:01.53 | mikedep333 | I would like to know |
| 01:02.03 | mikedep333 | who actually had the time to sit down and write all these apt responses? |
| 01:02.15 | Renze | mikedep333: anyone who wanted to |
| 01:02.35 | mikedep333 | I suppose it was done by multiple people |
| 01:02.39 | alsuren | mikedep333: the same could be asked of the millions of wikipedia articles |
| 01:02.59 | mikedep333 | well, that we know was done by multiple people |
| 01:03.08 | Renze | ~up |
| 01:03.09 | apt | up is probably the opposite of down |
| 01:03.14 | mikedep333 | and it is in a very easy place to contribute to |
| 01:03.27 | qupada | however, in space there is no up |
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| 01:03.47 | mcrandello | ~printing |
| 01:03.48 | apt | [printing] http://www.linuxprinting.org/, or see http://www.churchofsatan.org |
| 01:03.52 | Renze | down requires gravity, and up requires down |
| 01:03.54 | mikedep333 | LOL |
| 01:04.03 | mcrandello | have to try that COS one |
| 01:04.04 | qupada | exactly |
| 01:04.23 | alsuren | alright: this guy just inserted a gun into a slit in his own stomach on the TV. I am now officially scared. |
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| 01:04.31 | mikedep333 | Renze: yeah, dependencies can be a bitch |
| 01:04.32 | CVirus | I over written the Konqueror "Kubuntu web" profile ... how can I restore it back ? |
| 01:04.46 | Renze | CVirus: ask in #kubuntu |
| 01:05.14 | CVirus | Renze: sorry .. so sleepy |
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| 01:07.01 | alsuren | right: 2:00sm |
| 01:07.05 | alsuren | *am |
| 01:07.09 | alsuren | time to go to bed |
| 01:07.12 | alsuren | night all |
| 01:07.22 | Renze | Sat Sep 16 13:07:19 NZST 2006 |
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| 01:27.23 | badagentx | Ark keeps getting a sigabrt whats wrong with it? |
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| 01:59.50 | hagabaka | GTK applications have better names... |
| 02:00.16 | badagentx | Prove |
| 02:01.11 | NthDegree | ah my ass they do |
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| 02:01.46 | NthDegree | besides I bet at linux conferences the KDE/QT girls are sexier XD |
| 02:02.37 | hagabaka | just personal opinion; i like Inkscape and Scribus better than ...s/c/k of whatever word |
| 02:03.01 | Renze | um, Scribus is a Qt app |
| 02:03.08 | hagabaka | oh it is? |
| 02:03.10 | qupada | i don't care about the name, i use the app that happens to be better at the job i need to do |
| 02:03.11 | Renze | yes |
| 02:04.19 | mcrandello | I generally don't give a crap unless it's something I can't pronounce right away |
| 02:04.27 | mcrandello | for example, noatun |
| 02:04.31 | Renze | mcrandello: like ubuntu? :D |
| 02:04.40 | NthDegree | or GNU :p |
| 02:04.45 | mcrandello | oh c'mon that's easy- uh bun tuh |
| 02:04.48 | mcrandello | ;P |
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| 02:04.56 | Renze | oo boon too |
| 02:04.57 | badagentx | lol |
| 02:05.03 | NthDegree | ok then here's a more challenging one |
| 02:05.05 | NthDegree | debian |
| 02:05.06 | hagabaka | i like KDE applications better in terms of functionality and aesthetics, except names. at least the applications i use |
| 02:05.06 | NthDegree | XD |
| 02:05.27 | qupada | NthDegree: i say 'deeb ee un', but i know there are plenty of alternatives to that |
| 02:05.29 | badagentx | KDE apps are great untill the stop working for no reason |
| 02:05.32 | mcrandello | seriously though what the heck is a noatun and how would you say it |
| 02:05.38 | Renze | I make it rhyme with "Deviant" |
| 02:05.53 | NthDegree | KOffice for example is better than MS-Office or OpenOffice/StarOffice |
| 02:05.56 | NthDegree | :) |
| 02:06.01 | mcrandello | that app gets right the hell off my system. I don't even waste time looking for the package, just rm -rf and then ln -s it to vlc |
| 02:06.04 | Renze | mcrandello: no idea, I stopped building noatun years ago |
| 02:06.11 | hagabaka | it seems that KDE4 apps will have better names. but maybe by then real-word names are not fashionable any more |
| 02:06.45 | mcrandello | I like that they're putting the actual function of the program in the menus now |
| 02:06.45 | qupada | one of the more ambiguous ones (i think) is 'xine'. generally i would pronounce that 'zyne', but apparently it's meant to be more like 'zeen' |
| 02:06.56 | qupada | mcrandello: that's an option |
| 02:06.57 | Renze | ksin-ee |
| 02:07.00 | hagabaka | i would have prefered "worK" :) |
| 02:07.17 | hydrogen | ecks is probably better |
| 02:07.17 | hagabaka | i say zyne too |
| 02:07.18 | hydrogen | but meh |
| 02:07.25 | hydrogen | actually the worst one is ubuntu |
| 02:07.25 | Renze | it's supposed to rhyme with the first two syllables of cinema |
| 02:07.37 | mcrandello | hydrogen: xubuntu ftw |
| 02:07.41 | hydrogen | oohboontoo or you-bun-too or ooh-bun-too |
| 02:07.48 | Theory | I say xine, and will continue to so so obstinately :-) |
| 02:07.49 | hagabaka | see-ny? |
| 02:07.50 | mcrandello | again: uh bun tuh |
| 02:07.50 | Renze | mmmmm... buns... |
| 02:07.51 | hydrogen | mcrandello: zoobuntoo |
| 02:08.00 | mcrandello | I'll make people pronounce it that way yet |
| 02:08.30 | badagentx | lol |
| 02:08.30 | mcrandello | actually using kubuntu because it |
| 02:08.35 | mcrandello | s koo |
| 02:08.42 | qupada | the pronounciation guide on wikipedia says 'xine' is like 'maxine' without the 'ma', so part of the k sound |
| 02:08.53 | hagabaka | what's maxine like? |
| 02:08.57 | Renze | wikipedia is often wrong |
| 02:09.00 | mcrandello | ka-sine |
| 02:09.19 | badagentx | I need help with Ark |
| 02:09.25 | hagabaka | it's weird to have x voiceless at the start of a word |
| 02:09.35 | mcrandello | that's it I'm going to write something and name it !!!!! just to make people have to click the their tongues in order to say it's name |
| 02:09.44 | Renze | badagentx: and as soon as you tell us in more detail, we might be able to help you. "I get sigabrt" isn't enough. |
| 02:09.50 | badagentx | Ok |
| 02:09.55 | badagentx | What more do you need |
| 02:10.08 | qupada | badagentx: launch ark from a console, duplicate the error, then give us the error message (if any) |
| 02:10.33 | Renze | badagentx: when does it occur? what type of archive are you trying to open? is the archive intact? do you have the command-line tools for the archive installed? |
| 02:10.34 | badagentx | It opens fine from the command line |
| 02:10.50 | badagentx | But when I use the Kmenu or Right-click run it crashes |
| 02:11.14 | badagentx | Wait I got the error |
| 02:11.17 | Renze | badagentx: ark is just a front-end to the command line tools |
| 02:11.29 | badagentx | ark: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde/lib/kde3/libarkpart.so: undefined symbol: _ZN3KIO9NetAccess12mostLocalURLERK4KURLP7QWidget |
| 02:11.42 | hydrogen | ark was compiled against a different version of gcc than kde |
| 02:11.50 | Renze | badagentx: ok, looks like a bad build, or mismatched versions |
| 02:11.50 | hydrogen | err |
| 02:11.54 | badagentx | Ok |
| 02:11.56 | hydrogen | a different version of kdelibs than kde |
| 02:11.57 | badagentx | But how? |
| 02:12.01 | hydrogen | blame $DISTRO |
| 02:12.16 | Renze | badagentx: yeah, go yell at the distro packager |
| 02:12.19 | badagentx | Its not my dirstro because I just upgrade all of kde |
| 02:12.21 | hagabaka | did you compile it yourself? |
| 02:12.24 | badagentx | Nope |
| 02:12.30 | badagentx | Got the binary for my distro |
| 02:12.34 | Renze | then it is your distro's fault |
| 02:12.37 | badagentx | Ok |
| 02:12.42 | hydrogen | you upgraded kde but not ark |
| 02:12.45 | hydrogen | thats the problem |
| 02:12.52 | badagentx | I've upgraded everything |
| 02:13.00 | hydrogen | blmae your distro |
| 02:13.01 | Renze | you obviously haven't |
| 02:13.05 | badagentx | Ok |
| 02:13.05 | hydrogen | silly fedora. |
| 02:13.08 | Renze | you've missed something |
| 02:13.10 | hagabaka | see if anything went wrong in the upgrade |
| 02:13.18 | Renze | ah, fedora... no wonder |
| 02:13.23 | hagabaka | did it happen before the upgrade? |
| 02:13.37 | badagentx | Nope it also didn't do it for a while after also |
| 02:13.43 | Renze | that distro is made by monkeys |
| 02:13.50 | badagentx | And I've slackware |
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| 02:13.56 | hydrogen | rofl |
| 02:14.06 | hydrogen | anyways |
| 02:14.14 | hydrogen | I'm not really sure how one blames slackware |
| 02:14.18 | hydrogen | but I'd do it if I were you |
| 02:14.22 | hagabaka | ? |
| 02:14.24 | Renze | slackware? are you using a package manager with dependency tracking? |
| 02:14.36 | Renze | or just installing slackpacks? |
| 02:14.40 | hagabaka | is it happening on fedora or slackware? |
| 02:15.06 | hydrogen | it apparently is slackware |
| 02:15.10 | Renze | badagentx: I'd check version numbers if I were you... I think your ark might be older than your kdelibs |
| 02:15.18 | hagabaka | oh |
| 02:15.20 | mcrandello | iirc the kde webpage provides slackware packages but the slackware guys reccomend against them, |
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| 02:15.40 | badagentx | K |
| 02:16.04 | hagabaka | did you install packages from an official repository? |
| 02:16.09 | badagentx | Yep |
| 02:16.24 | joe_ | can somebody help me when they have a minute? |
| 02:16.30 | joe_ | plz? |
| 02:16.35 | Renze | joe_: we won't know unless you tell us your problem |
| 02:16.36 | badagentx | How do I check my kde build |
| 02:16.43 | badagentx | is it kde-build? |
| 02:17.00 | badagentx | Never mind |
| 02:17.07 | badagentx | I've found it |
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| 02:17.24 | hagabaka | in /var/log/packages, see if all the kde packages are around the same date |
| 02:17.33 | joe_ | i am running suse 10.0, and everything is good, but when i try to play mp3s in a few different players, they dont work, they say playing file then just stop |
| 02:17.35 | badagentx | Qt is 3.3.4, KDE is 3.4.2, and Ark is 2.6.2 |
| 02:17.38 | hagabaka | maybe just reinstall again |
| 02:17.43 | hagabaka | those are definitely not upgraded |
| 02:18.01 | badagentx | Ok |
| 02:18.01 | Renze | joe_: have you asked in #suse? I know some distros cripple mp3 because it's a non-free codec |
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| 02:18.05 | hydrogen | joe_: you need to jump through a few hoops to get mp3s to play in suse |
| 02:18.09 | hydrogen | joe_: ask #suse |
| 02:18.11 | hagabaka | what version of slackware are you running? |
| 02:18.15 | badagentx | 10.2 |
| 02:18.20 | joe_ | there is a #suse? |
| 02:18.25 | joe_ | huh, thats kewl |
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| 02:18.30 | Renze | joe_: there's a channel for every distro |
| 02:18.35 | hydrogen | not true! |
| 02:18.41 | joe_ | sorry for the inconveniencce............ |
| 02:18.44 | badagentx | Well for suse there is |
| 02:19.05 | Renze | hydrogen: if there isn't for yours... join it and be op all by yourself :D |
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| 02:19.37 | hagabaka | oh, actually 10.2 does have kde-3.4.2 |
| 02:19.44 | hagabaka | i'm using -current |
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| 02:20.18 | badagentx | Ah ok |
| 02:20.33 | badagentx | Would slapt-get cause any problems |
| 02:20.46 | badagentx | I've been useing that lately for upgrades |
| 02:21.01 | Renze | I wouldn't know, I've never used slackware |
| 02:21.24 | hagabaka | if you don't use unofficial packages, and keep to only one version of slackware (not mixing 10.0 and 10.2, or -current), slapt-get is usually fine |
| 02:21.42 | badagentx | ok |
| 02:21.56 | NthDegree | hello |
| 02:21.56 | hagabaka | but it excludes some packages when upgrading, but you're actually supposed to read the notes on the Slackware FTP and upgrade them |
| 02:22.01 | NthDegree | use audacity |
| 02:22.09 | NthDegree | it plays MP3s without the libs XD |
| 02:22.21 | NthDegree | or can open them to convert to OGG |
| 02:22.23 | badagentx | ah |
| 02:22.23 | hagabaka | it's a possibility that your glib wasn't upgraded, causing the problem |
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| 02:22.34 | hagabaka | *glibc |
| 02:22.54 | hydrogen | NthDegree: audacity would be crippled in the same way on suse |
| 02:23.15 | badagentx | Well I'm going to try to upgrade KDE |
| 02:23.16 | NthDegree | no hydrogen i'm telling you |
| 02:23.28 | NthDegree | i've used it in SuSE and Kubuntu |
| 02:23.59 | NthDegree | it played my MP3s without getting the madlibs and other stuff |
| 02:24.16 | NthDegree | but the point is you don't need to play them |
| 02:24.23 | NthDegree | audacity can open and save as OGG |
| 02:24.39 | NthDegree | you open the MP3 > export to OGG |
| 02:24.48 | Renze | NthDegree: converting from one lossy format to another is usually a bad idea |
| 02:25.13 | qupada | lame --decode [mp3 file] - | oggenc - -o [ogg file] |
| 02:25.20 | qupada | ^^ problem solved |
| 02:25.23 | hydrogen | no |
| 02:25.28 | hydrogen | then your music just sounds like shit. |
| 02:25.34 | hydrogen | abcde -o flac |
| 02:25.35 | hydrogen | tadaa |
| 02:25.40 | badagentx | Shouldn't he just install mp3lib |
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| 02:46.29 | Steven_M | hi, can kpdf read e-books |
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| 02:48.46 | CVirus | Steven_M: what type of e-books ? |
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| 02:50.01 | Steven_M | CVirus: microsoft e-book reader format? |
| 02:50.16 | CVirus | Steven_M: WTF is that ? |
| 02:50.53 | Renze | sounds like MS inventing it's own standards again |
| 02:51.52 | kucrut | Renze: ... |
| 02:51.56 | Renze | kucrut: ... |
| 02:52.39 | CVirus | kucrut: there ? |
| 02:53.09 | kucrut | CVirus: hey ;-) |
| 02:53.18 | snow4x | Microsoft e-book reader format... I'm guessing the format isn't open :p |
| 02:53.38 | CVirus | kucrut: pvt if you dont mind ? |
| 02:53.50 | kucrut | please |
| 02:54.37 | Steven_M | CVirus: look at the choose format menu http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/eBook21707.htm |
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| 02:56.49 | kucrut | ewww |
| 02:57.20 | kucrut | why cant they just use open-standard? |
| 02:57.52 | Steven_M | i know :(\ |
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| 02:58.11 | Renze | they don't use open standards because they can't control them |
| 02:58.33 | kucrut | control my ass |
| 02:59.15 | Renze | no thanks... get elastic briefs for that :) |
| 02:59.56 | Theory | http://joke.popey.com/ |
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| 03:03.19 | MaximLevitsky | Just one question , As far as I know kde3 uses dpi / points to measure font size , so fonts have same size on different resolutions. The other , I think better aproach will be using a pixel count as size of font, this way fonts will be bigger on smaller resolutions, but they will be readable, while small fonts are only readable on large resolutions. Will KDE4 use pixels , or it will continue to use points ? |
| 03:04.02 | Renze | MaximLevitsky: KDE uses whatever Qt uses |
| 03:04.21 | MaximLevitsky | yes , so what about QT4 |
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| 03:04.35 | Renze | I don't think they have changed font handling |
| 03:05.26 | MaximLevitsky | Ok , this means I will never be able to use both big and small resolution |
| 03:05.39 | Theory | MaximLevitsky: how often do you change your screen resolution? |
| 03:05.42 | Renze | I have an LCD... I only ever use one resolution :) |
| 03:05.59 | Renze | even my virtual consoles use 1280x1024 :D |
| 03:06.26 | MaximLevitsky | Sometimes , it is usefull, especialy in vmware machine |
| 03:06.53 | Theory | at what resolution do you find fonts become unreadable? |
| 03:07.40 | MaximLevitsky | 800x600 - surly , 1024x768 - hard to read 1280x1024 - my resolution |
| 03:08.29 | Sutoka | you can manually override the dpi (thats what gnome does, it forces it to be 96 or something like windows and/or OS X does) |
| 03:08.38 | Theory | could you upload some example screenshots? |
| 03:09.08 | MaximLevitsky | I know that , but xrandr changes DPI |
| 03:09.08 | Theory | as for me fonts are still very readable at 800x600 |
| 03:09.35 | MaximLevitsky | but I like small fonts |
| 03:09.56 | Sutoka | small fonts, or glyphs that appear small on the screen? |
| 03:10.10 | MaximLevitsky | both |
| 03:11.07 | MaximLevitsky | Ok thanks , I maybe will change xrandr to make it preserve DPI across resolution changes |
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| 03:11.45 | MaximLevitsky | and by the way , in vmware physical screen size does change. |
| 03:11.48 | Renze | MaximLevitsky: how about setting Xft.dpi in your .Xresources file? |
| 03:12.03 | MaximLevitsky | this will help ? |
| 03:12.12 | Renze | MaximLevitsky: no idea... I don't change my res |
| 03:12.23 | MaximLevitsky | I''l try... |
| 03:12.43 | Renze | don't forget to "xrdb -merge .Xresources" |
| 03:12.53 | MaximLevitsky | ok , thanks |
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| 03:17.20 | MaximLevitsky | it works , thanks very much |
| 03:17.34 | Renze | no problem |
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| 04:16.52 | tech9iner | any kdeMates|Amarok fans know any live365 trix for her please? |
| 04:17.08 | tech9iner | no google joy here thusfar |
| 04:18.06 | tech9iner | i team Amarok w StreamTuner here but upon sending lv3's bits from StreamTuner to Amarok one gets the old live365 operator saying to login.. |
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| 04:28.36 | QMario_ | Any good movies out?! |
| 04:29.03 | Theory | SOAP :-) |
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| 05:19.47 | Theory | sh! |
| 05:20.18 | mokkan | sigh |
| 05:20.22 | mokkan | now i want to play CoH |
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| 06:38.17 | Ardonik | The earth would fall up into the singularity rather than the singularity falling to the earth. |
| 06:38.30 | Ardonik | And you, of course, would be come One with it. |
| 06:38.42 | Renze | so be it :) |
| 06:38.49 | Ardonik | s/be come/become/ |
| 06:38.56 | Ardonik | Thanks, apt. |
| 06:41.56 | canllaith | yay finally got my KDE looking nice |
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| 06:49.32 | shasbot | ok, gentoo and 3.5.2, how do i fix/rid myself of this artsd ? |
| 06:49.42 | canllaith | you could recompile it --without-arts |
| 06:49.49 | canllaith | I imagine gentoo has some use flag for that |
| 06:49.50 | qupada | shasbot: USE="-arts", then emerge -DNu world |
| 06:49.56 | canllaith | Or you can simply disable it in the KDE control center |
| 06:50.30 | shasbot | heh, ironically, i had an error yesterday that i fixed by recompiling with arts enabled |
| 06:50.43 | shasbot | ooh, where would i disable it in the control center? |
| 06:51.03 | shastry | canllaith: you use gentoo too ? |
| 06:51.07 | canllaith | shasbot: sound & multimedia -> sound system |
| 06:51.12 | canllaith | 'enable the sound system' untick that |
| 06:51.22 | canllaith | No, I use a terrible mix of slackware/ubuntu/debian and compile by hand. |
| 06:51.35 | shastry | :o |
| 06:51.44 | shasbot | that sounds terrifying |
| 06:51.46 | canllaith | Then, if you still want to get system notifications you can go into sound & multimedia -> system notifications |
| 06:52.00 | qupada | heh. i christen it 'linux not-from-scratch' |
| 06:52.16 | canllaith | and under 'player settings' (bottom right hand corner) pick a different player. |
| 06:52.20 | argonel | shasbot: understatement :) |
| 06:52.28 | canllaith | So if all your notifications were oggs you could put in 'ogg123' or somethin. |
| 06:52.47 | Renze | I recommend play from the sox package... plays pretty near everything |
| 06:52.53 | canllaith | aye |
| 06:53.09 | shasbot | hmm, i might try that later |
| 06:53.40 | shasbot | heh, thats what i went with for now |
| 06:53.45 | qupada | yeah, neither. my kde doesn't make a sound |
| 06:53.52 | shasbot | now i shall restart and see if it fixes the lag |
| 06:53.59 | Renze | I have a small selection of sounds turned on |
| 06:54.24 | Renze | but most of the pointless crap (like opening and closing windows and stuff) is all off |
| 06:54.34 | canllaith | gosh yes, hate those |
| 06:54.56 | canllaith | The only thing I tend to use my sound card for is the occasional flash video - and that's so rare I generally have to go and mess with alsa for 20 minutes to figure out why it isn't working. |
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| 06:55.19 | qupada | i have music playing pretty much continuously |
| 06:55.32 | qupada | which is why i don't like pointless notification sounds |
| 06:55.56 | canllaith | I'm either using an mp3 player, the stereo at home(which is a pc with a web interface) or my workstation at work |
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| 06:56.04 | canllaith | so sound on my laptop just doesn't get used |
| 06:56.26 | canllaith | work machine has a 160GB disk so I put my entire media collection on it. It's still only half used :| |
| 06:56.39 | canllaith | Ideas of safe-for-work things I could fill it up with? ;) |
| 06:57.10 | qupada | i want a roku soundbridge and some kind of NAS box to stick the music on |
| 06:57.34 | qupada | 3~http://rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/models.php |
| 06:58.37 | canllaith | we have a crappy dell behind the couch that is also plugged into our projector |
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| 06:59.31 | canllaith | It runs Windows :( |
| 07:00.15 | qupada | small form factor desktop? (optiplex series or w/e) |
| 07:00.31 | canllaith | No, full size - it's an ex university pc that got sold cheap |
| 07:00.43 | qupada | ah |
| 07:00.47 | canllaith | Renze: I should let you know next time that happens - vic uni likes to get rid of surprisingly nice systems. |
| 07:01.08 | canllaith | They tend to be quiet too, would make a great gateway box |
| 07:02.08 | canllaith | http://canllaith.org/~jhall/foo/kde.png <-- prettiness |
| 07:02.39 | qupada | thunderbird? fo shame |
| 07:02.44 | qupada | :P |
| 07:02.45 | canllaith | I haven't compiled kmail yet |
| 07:03.08 | canllaith | ... and kmail does not cope quite as well with my volume of mail at times :| |
| 07:04.42 | qupada | i like the icons. the folder icons at least, the ones on the toolbars i'm not so sure about |
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| 07:05.15 | canllaith | I hate most KDE icon sets :( |
| 07:05.26 | mokkan | i like crystal |
| 07:05.26 | mokkan | svg |
| 07:05.31 | mokkan | for the most part |
| 07:05.38 | canllaith | Yeah, I like some of it |
| 07:05.44 | canllaith | it's not terribly consistant though |
| 07:05.48 | qupada | i like it enough that i can't bebothered changing it |
| 07:06.04 | canllaith | I remember thinking it was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen when it first shipped with KDE :) |
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| 07:06.09 | canllaith | but yknow, KDE2 icons. Blergh. |
| 07:06.24 | mokkan | i wasnt even a user then |
| 07:06.25 | mokkan | i was still clean |
| 07:06.26 | qupada | however i need to fix something. any usb device with a 'dcim' folder gets the really, really ugly 'camera' icon when mounted. |
| 07:06.26 | mokkan | :\ |
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| 07:06.47 | canllaith | ooooh I should compile digikam |
| 07:06.53 | canllaith | since I have a camera that does ptp now |
| 07:07.16 | sredna | Hi canllaith |
| 07:07.29 | canllaith | !!!! |
| 07:07.30 | canllaith | SREDNA |
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| 07:07.39 | sredna | What kde version is that? It couldn't be 4! |
| 07:07.53 | canllaith | No no, 3.5 :) |
| 07:07.53 | sredna | Lol, /me is still alive |
| 07:07.59 | sredna | How are you? |
| 07:08.04 | canllaith | Will you be at akademy? |
| 07:08.07 | canllaith | I'm great :) |
| 07:08.14 | sredna | No, unfortunately not |
| 07:08.20 | canllaith | aw no! I'm going to go this year, finally |
| 07:08.30 | sredna | Oh, cool |
| 07:08.31 | qupada | i wish i could go |
| 07:08.37 | qupada | but i don't have that kind of money |
| 07:08.43 | mokkan | if someone'll pay my fare, i'll go |
| 07:09.02 | canllaith | from both KDE and work actually, I'm extremely damn lucky. |
| 07:09.26 | sredna | Very nice, since you have a long way :) |
| 07:09.27 | mokkan | you should tell them to share with me |
| 07:09.39 | canllaith | Yes, otherwise I could not make it - the airfare from New Zealand is crazy :) |
| 07:09.52 | qupada | sredna: yeah. it is halfway round the world +/- 1000km |
| 07:10.00 | canllaith | I work for a very pro open source company so they decided to let me take 10 days to go to the conference without requiring me to take leave |
| 07:10.07 | canllaith | So I'll get paid as though I am at work! I'm very pleased. |
| 07:10.33 | sredna | To get an idea about what I have been doing in the meantime, look here: http://www.alweb.dk/gallery/fotos/sejlads/skar_drej :-) |
| 07:10.58 | qupada | woot, a boat |
| 07:10.59 | sredna | ..apart from work of course |
| 07:11.13 | canllaith | sailing :) that I could have guessed |
| 07:11.23 | canllaith | I have gotten hooked on World of Warcraft :| |
| 07:11.31 | sredna | Lol |
| 07:12.06 | sredna | You could become a profressional, I have heard that some people do |
| 07:12.49 | canllaith | Heh I have too many other things to do :| |
| 07:12.58 | canllaith | Like writing, which is what I should be doing now |
| 07:13.25 | sredna | Hm, I'm finghting a CSS mystery right now |
| 07:14.00 | sredna | Some elements refuse to show, although they logically should. Kde lacks analysis tools in that area |
| 07:16.13 | mokkan | make sure you make kopete better while youre at it |
| 07:16.57 | mokkan | i would, but i'm a crappy coder and cant make sense of it |
| 07:17.44 | benJIman | I fixed quite a few of the wishlist things in my version but havn't managed to get decent kde4 system running to create a patch against trunk yet |
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| 07:23.40 | Ace2007 | Can someone help me set up xbindkeys? |
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| 07:23.56 | Loituma_ | hello |
| 07:24.32 | Ace2007 | Error in startup script: Warning: unkown key in RC file : /home/ace/.xbindkeysrc |
| 07:24.34 | Ace2007 | Hi |
| 07:24.50 | Loituma_ | I have problem when I type in konqueror for example www.google.com I see error: Melformed URL www.google.com. Why ? |
| 07:25.25 | Renze | Loituma_: sounds like you have an incomplete or broken install of kde |
| 07:25.40 | Loituma_ | maybe |
| 07:26.40 | Loituma_ | I'll check it |
| 07:28.45 | mokkan | lo-li-ta |
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| 07:32.42 | ros-soft | Hi! does someone use suse 9.3 ? Where are the lastest kde rpm's ? |
| 07:33.45 | benJIman | on the build service, but it's a yum repo so you won't be able to use the yast in 9.3 to update to it |
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| 07:33.57 | benJIman | you'd have to use an alternative package manager, or grab the rpms and do rpm -Uhv |
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| 07:34.44 | Stiffler | Renze: but when i type http://google.com it works |
| 07:35.11 | ros-soft | benJIman: there isn't any apt rpm repository for it |
| 07:35.14 | ros-soft | ? |
| 07:35.43 | Renze | Stiffler: weird |
| 07:37.17 | benJIman | ros-soft: maybe yo ucan use apt I don't know, you could certainly use smart |
| 07:38.30 | ros-soft | benJIman: OK thanks |
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| 07:41.09 | Homer | how do you turn off tooltips on kicker |
| 07:41.33 | Ace2007 | http://pastebin.ca/172668 <<< Thats the output from xev, can someone help me set up win+scroll wheel up? |
| 07:42.45 | Ace2007 | Homer: Right Click on Kicker > Configure panel > Appearance > Untick show tooltips at the top |
| 07:43.29 | Renze | Homer: if you mean the large grey tooltips, disable "Enable icon mouseover effects" |
| 07:44.41 | Homer | cool that removed them |
| 07:44.56 | Homer | Ace2007, Renze thank you both |
| 07:45.03 | Renze | no problem |
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| 08:25.16 | wizard123 | hi |
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| 08:26.48 | RockMan | ciao |
| 08:27.03 | pinotree | RockMan: /amsg sucks :-P |
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| 08:56.26 | wizard123 | hi. is there any kubuntu user here? |
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| 08:57.56 | wizard123 | skljsfdkjlsf: nice nick |
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| 09:00.07 | pinotree | wizard123: kubuntu users hangs (mostly) in #kubuntu, i suppose |
| 09:00.22 | wizard123 | good idea! thanks pinotree :) |
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| 09:05.55 | Ace2007 | hey i just found that Ctrl++ in konqueror will let you use wildcards to select files, thats great like *.rar will select all rar files its very nice |
| 09:07.50 | Renze | Ace2007: you only just found that? |
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| 09:08.34 | Renze | Ace2007: did you know you can also use globs in the location bar? |
| 09:08.36 | Ace2007 | Renze: Yea it responded to Ctrl + Shift + +, since kmix wasn't there to apply its global shortcut for increasing the volume |
| 09:08.47 | wizard123 | i need sudoers from ubuntu. does anybody have it? |
| 09:08.50 | Ace2007 | yea i knew that but i like the little popup box |
| 09:09.01 | wizard123 | guys at #ubuntu are useless |
| 09:09.20 | Ace2007 | wizard123: Try #kubuntu they know better |
| 09:09.28 | Renze | I don't use *buntu |
| 09:09.43 | Ace2007 | y? |
| 09:09.46 | wizard123 | Ace2007: i tried :) |
| 09:10.08 | Renze | Ace2007: was that y for me? |
| 09:10.19 | wizard123 | i just need one small file |
| 09:10.19 | Ace2007 | yae |
| 09:10.24 | Ace2007 | why don't you use ubuntu |
| 09:10.34 | Renze | because I don't like binary distros... too many headaches |
| 09:10.43 | Renze | I also don't like distros that mess with KDE |
| 09:10.52 | anisfarhana | such as fedora , yes |
| 09:11.03 | Renze | yes, just like fedora |
| 09:11.38 | wizard123 | i found that only slackware don't mess kde :) |
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| 09:11.55 | Ace2007 | wizard123: Ubuntu users post stuff like sudoers in forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20724 |
| 09:12.15 | wizard123 | Ace2007: i need default sudoers.. |
| 09:12.34 | Ace2007 | wizard123: what do you need from it? |
| 09:12.42 | Ace2007 | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 09:12.56 | wizard123 | Ace2007: that is default |
| 09:12.57 | wizard123 | i want to look at it |
| 09:13.21 | wizard123 | i'll download sudo.deb from ubuntu repo.. i hope that sudoers is not autogenerated |
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| 09:15.46 | Ace2007 | wizard123: Why do you need the ubuntu sudoers? did you delete yours? |
| 09:16.24 | wizard123 | i'm just curious |
| 09:16.28 | Ace2007 | oh ok |
| 09:16.44 | wizard123 | and i passad allmost all my exams.. |
| 09:16.53 | Ace2007 | what exams did you take? |
| 09:17.09 | wizard123 | mathematical analysis (or something like that) |
| 09:17.14 | wizard123 | it was miracle |
| 09:17.22 | canllaith | wizard123: I have the default ubuntu sudoers |
| 09:17.27 | wizard123 | :D |
| 09:17.41 | wizard123 | canllaith: could you pastebin it for me? |
| 09:17.43 | canllaith | Well, 'cept it got my name stuck in it during the install |
| 09:17.43 | anisfarhana | canllaith got everything |
| 09:17.43 | canllaith | sure |
| 09:17.58 | canllaith | anis! adik gila! |
| 09:18.09 | wizard123 | o_O |
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| 09:18.21 | anisfarhana | haha ;p kakak gila |
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| 09:18.49 | wizard123 | anisfarhana: you scared metalfan! |
| 09:18.59 | canllaith | ;D |
| 09:19.04 | Stiffler | nobody know solution of my problem with Melformed URL ? |
| 09:19.13 | anisfarhana | wizard123: i guess so |
| 09:19.37 | wizard123 | Stiffler: you didn't describe it |
| 09:19.41 | canllaith | wizard123: |
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| 09:19.51 | canllaith | http://canllaith.org/~jhall/foo/sudoers <--- default sudoers |
| 09:20.02 | Stiffler | so |
| 09:20.21 | wizard123 | canllaith: thanks :D |
| 09:20.49 | Stiffler | when I type in konqueror www.google.com I see error "Melformed URL" but when I type http://google.com it works |
| 09:20.58 | Stiffler | why? |
| 09:21.09 | canllaith | wizard123: that's not quite true :) Slackware make at least two modifications to default KDE |
| 09:21.14 | canllaith | They patch kdmrc and konsole default schema. |
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| 09:22.24 | wizard123 | canllaith: that sudoers is not much advanced :/ |
| 09:22.37 | canllaith | No, but that is the default |
| 09:22.41 | canllaith | Why did you want it? |
| 09:23.04 | wizard123 | i thought that ubuntu staff configured some interesting rules |
| 09:23.11 | pinotree | oh |
| 09:23.18 | pinotree | canllaith alive :) |
| 09:23.24 | QMario_ | Should I learn PHP before MySQL? |
| 09:23.30 | canllaith | pinotree: :) |
| 09:23.36 | wizard123 | QMario_: no |
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| 09:24.42 | wizard123 | canllaith: and i wanted configure sudo on my dorms shell server |
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| 09:32.02 | Stiffler | ;/ |
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| 09:35.48 | Med | Hi. With KDE 3.5.4 on SuSE 10.1 i get every few minutes a dialog box stating "You are running low on disk space on your home partition (currently -4% free), would you like to run Konqueror to free some disk space and fix the problem?". This is bogus. I guess it doesn't get the right size as i've changed my disk. I've rm -rf ~/.kde with no success. Any idea? Thanks. |
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| 09:36.47 | benJIman | Med: ask beineri in #suse |
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| 09:37.32 | benJIman | if it's a suse patch, not sure |
| 09:37.50 | Med | thank benJIman |
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| 09:39.49 | pinotree | dot-kde |
| 09:39.51 | pinotree | ~dot-kde |
| 09:39.54 | apt | *Don't* remove ~/.kde: as well as your personal settings, it contains your address book and may contain your email. Rename the directory and restart KDE instead |
| 09:39.58 | pinotree | Med: ^^^^ |
| 09:40.11 | benJIman | pinotree: bit late for that :P |
| 09:40.27 | pinotree | at least now he won't do that again (i hope) |
| 09:41.22 | Med | errr. In fact i did a mv ~/.kde ~/.kde20060916 and then i've copied bits of configuration (like kmail, my bookmarks, etc.) back to ~/.kde :) |
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| 09:44.52 | eNTi | hi. is there a tool to clean the kde menu from dead entries? |
| 09:45.16 | wizard123 | rm :D |
| 09:45.40 | eNTi | *hmpf* |
| 09:45.49 | eNTi | automatically :) |
| 09:45.59 | wizard123 | :D actually i don't know |
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| 09:49.22 | Ace2007 | I DID IT, yay! now i can switch desktops with win+scroll wheel |
| 09:49.36 | wizard123 | \o/ |
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| 09:50.09 | Ace2007 | next i want kde to show the task list on win+left click, the one which shows all the running apps |
| 09:50.33 | Ace2007 | isn't dcop being replaced or something? |
| 09:50.56 | Med | Ace2007: dbus? |
| 09:51.04 | Ace2007 | yea in kde4 i think |
| 09:51.21 | Ace2007 | Why is it being replaced? |
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| 09:56.32 | Med | Ace2007: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=109646893512881&w=2 |
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| 10:10.15 | rabauke | Hello! Where do I configure the "low diskspace daemon"? |
| 10:10.44 | stoned | I have no idea |
| 10:10.47 | rabauke | I want to change the percentage, since it is getting on my nerves that it tells me things I already know! |
| 10:10.53 | stoned | maybe "kdf" sends alerts |
| 10:10.57 | stoned | I haven't checked |
| 10:11.00 | rabauke | So I will file a bug |
| 10:11.31 | Renze | there's a low diskspace daemon? |
| 10:12.21 | rabauke | Renze: Yes, a very annoying one!" |
| 10:12.30 | Renze | I've never seen it |
| 10:13.19 | rabauke | I wish I never did |
| 10:13.34 | stoned | its more than likely a demon |
| 10:13.37 | stoned | not a daemon |
| 10:13.45 | stoned | demons are not f un |
| 10:13.49 | stoned | they are somewhat evil |
| 10:13.54 | Renze | need some holy water? |
| 10:13.59 | stoned | sup |
| 10:14.08 | stoned | I woke up just now, 4am, heartbun |
| 10:14.09 | stoned | :( |
| 10:14.13 | Renze | stop with the poking... I'm full of food |
| 10:14.17 | stoned | lol |
| 10:14.38 | stoned | NP: Decapitated -|- The Negation -|- " The Negation " -|- (Technical Death Metal) -|- (rating: 10/0) |
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| 10:18.14 | stoned | man |
| 10:18.18 | stoned | Decapitated kicks ass |
| 10:18.26 | stoned | wow |
| 10:18.36 | stoned | and its only a bunch of 14-17 year old kids |
| 10:19.00 | stoned | its professional quality, such extreme, brutal, and highly technically skilled musiicanship |
| 10:19.09 | stoned | Renze, I wish I'd have gone to some music school all my life |
| 10:19.17 | stoned | unfortunately I had to do it all by myself |
| 10:19.20 | stoned | :( |
| 10:19.21 | Renze | stoned: so do I, sometimes |
| 10:19.32 | Renze | I wish I'd learned piano |
| 10:19.36 | stoned | I did |
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| 10:19.53 | stoned | I can't play it fast, but I can do stuff |
| 10:20.03 | Renze | I can only manage "chopsticks" :D |
| 10:20.05 | stoned | I saw Amadeus when I was 8 |
| 10:20.11 | stoned | I think |
| 10:20.11 | stoned | or 10 |
| 10:20.21 | stoned | that movie changed my life |
| 10:20.29 | stoned | I never looked at "classical" the same way again |
| 10:20.43 | stoned | I disliked the classical sound, but loved the preclassical music |
| 10:21.26 | stoned | NP: Bach -|- Essential Bach (1 of 2) -|- " Prelude in D minor " -|- (Classical) -|- (rating: 10/0) |
| 10:21.32 | stoned | this is one of my favorite pieces |
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| 10:46.34 | xororand | hi |
| 10:46.58 | xororand | why do i get much slower speed when using konqueror for sftp:// than with scp or lftp (using sftp://)? |
| 10:47.22 | xororand | with lftp it's roughly 650-700kbyte/sec, konqueror 400 |
| 10:51.48 | pinotree | xororand: sftp is not scp |
| 10:51.56 | xororand | pinotree: lftp uses sftp |
| 10:52.16 | pinotree | scp is via ssh, if you want an ssh kioslave use fish:// |
| 10:52.34 | Theory | xororand: are you transfering in the same direction in both cases? |
| 10:52.55 | xororand | Theory: yes |
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| 10:53.16 | Russel | hiho |
| 10:53.25 | xororand | Theory: a friend has the same problem |
| 10:53.46 | xororand | Theory: i'm using kde 3.5.4 |
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| 10:54.12 | Russel | i have a question about cd-ripping with konqueror: is it possible to drag'n drop a folder with %artist - %album name which contains ogg files? |
| 10:54.32 | Russel | at the moment i have to create such a folder everytime? |
| 10:55.00 | xororand | okay, fish:// is using the line's full speed, thanks pinotree |
| 10:55.22 | xororand | though i still wonder why sftp:// is slower than other programs' sftp:// implementations |
| 10:55.30 | Theory | Russel: have you taken a look at the audio cd options in the control centre? |
| 10:56.01 | Russel | Theory: yeah |
| 10:56.33 | Russel | there is something like album name, but how to i rip it than? "in" the audiocd i only find folders like: ogg mp3 fullcd... |
| 10:56.50 | xororand | pinotree: btw, sftp:// is also over ssh, it's just using the program sftp-server on the remote side |
| 10:57.11 | Russel | or just drag'n drop the ogg vorbis directory? |
| 10:57.19 | pinotree | but it's a different protocol |
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| 10:58.00 | Theory | Russel: I don't have a CD here to test unfortunately |
| 10:58.09 | Theory | another option you might want to look at is kaudiocreator |
| 10:58.16 | Theory | that's not drag and drop from konqueror though |
| 10:58.47 | Russel | i know |
| 10:59.26 | Russel | but if there is no option like this, it would be a flaw for konqueror ripping feature |
| 11:08.36 | Russel | drag'n drop the Ogg Vorbis folder doesn't do it |
| 11:08.46 | Russel | benutz ich eben kaudiocrator... |
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| 11:16.35 | xororand | Russel: you're right, the folder names should be configurable |
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| 11:19.13 | Russel | would be nice |
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| 11:20.06 | pinotree | Russel: both audiocd:/ and kaudiocreator are quite configurable, did you see their configuration? |
| 11:20.22 | Russel | pinotree: yeah |
| 11:20.52 | Russel | but the option: folder name in audiocd:/ doesn't have any sense... or i didn't see how to get a folder with audiofiles with this name |
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| 11:22.06 | Sho_ | (Doesn't the "File Name" field in the audiocd:/ prefs support slashes to create directory structures?) |
| 11:22.48 | Russel | don't know |
| 11:23.05 | Russel | i am using kaudiocreator at the moment |
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| 11:34.50 | Ace2007 | There is a strangel delay in konqueror, every time i go to ~ it freezes for about 4/5 seconds and then works fine |
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| 11:35.36 | qupada | Ace2007: got loads of files in your home directory? |
| 11:35.37 | annma | run it from command line |
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| 11:36.05 | simon23 | hi there, can anyone tell me where to get *.deb packages of KMediaFactory? |
| 11:36.16 | simon23 | havent found any... |
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| 11:36.46 | qupada | Ace2007: you'll probably find it does that on any folder with a lot of files in it, try /usr/bin |
| 11:36.52 | Ace2007 | It seems to be ok now, i just deleted azureus' plugins folder it keeps creating |
| 11:37.11 | Ace2007 | qupada: I have 7 folders and nothing else in there |
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| 11:37.15 | qupada | Ace2007: hmmm |
| 11:37.20 | Ace2007 | thats why i was wondering why it was so slow |
| 11:37.26 | qupada | because mine takes 5-10 seconds, but looking at about 3000 files |
| 11:37.34 | Q-collective | The following words have been ignored because of they are shorter than the minimum word length (4 characters): k3b |
| 11:37.39 | Q-collective | silly bugzilla... |
| 11:38.03 | Q-collective | does anyone have burning issues with k3b 0.12.17? |
| 11:38.18 | qupada | define 'burning issue' |
| 11:38.31 | qupada | it's probably cdrecord's fault... or one of the other things k3b uses |
| 11:38.36 | Q-collective | not being able to burn |
| 11:38.54 | annma | Q-collective: run k3b from command line |
| 11:38.55 | Q-collective | yeah, thought it might be that |
| 11:38.58 | annma | identify what happens |
| 11:39.08 | annma | before making a k3b bug report |
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| 11:39.16 | qupada | Q-collective: are we talking cd or dvd? what error meesage does it give you |
| 11:39.26 | annma | might also be a distro problem |
| 11:39.43 | qupada | if it's 'unable to anonymously mmap [some big number]', then run 'chmod 755 /usr/bin/growisofs' and it should go away |
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| 11:40.55 | Q-collective | annma: nothing usefull in the terminal |
| 11:41.01 | Q-collective | qupada: cd |
| 11:41.32 | annma | when it starts to burn? |
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| 11:41.33 | annma | what is the error message? |
| 11:41.34 | annma | usually the error message indicates the problem |
| 11:41.40 | annma | paste it there please |
| 11:41.45 | Q-collective | http://pastebin.ca/172913 |
| 11:42.26 | Q-collective | it doesn't matter how low I set the speed |
| 11:42.40 | annma | did you run kde3-setup? |
| 11:42.55 | Q-collective | not in a while |
| 11:43.00 | Ace2007 | Is that to do with root access? |
| 11:43.13 | qupada | chmod 4711 /usr/bin/cdrdao; chmod 4711 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 11:43.25 | annma | seems cd-record permissions are not ok |
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| 11:43.35 | annma | Q-collective: issue the commands qupada said |
| 11:44.15 | Q-collective | qupada: ty :) |
| 11:44.26 | Ace2007 | hey why isn't that a kubuntu disk? |
| 11:46.07 | Ace2007 | kubuntu is nice, i used it for ages |
| 11:46.20 | Q-collective | Ace2007: because afaik only evolution has MBX/IBX file (outlook) support, might aswell use the consistent DE then |
| 11:46.54 | Ace2007 | couldn't you go for kde + qtcurve so that it all looks the same? |
| 11:47.55 | Q-collective | I could do that, but this isn't for me but for a windows migrant |
| 11:48.07 | Q-collective | so UI consistency might be a good idea |
| 11:48.54 | Ace2007 | oh i see |
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| 11:49.50 | Stiffler | how can I add icons to group in menu (multimedia, network graphic etc.) by konsole via for example vim? |
| 11:50.04 | Stiffler | which file should I edit ? |
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| 12:02.05 | annma | Stiffler: you want to change the K menu icons? |
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| 12:02.30 | Stiffler | no |
| 12:02.40 | Stiffler | I want set icons |
| 12:02.47 | annma | set icons where? |
| 12:03.02 | Stiffler | in kde menu (menu start ;] ) |
| 12:03.22 | annma | in your k menu you don't have icons for multimedia for example/ |
| 12:03.28 | annma | in your k menu you don't have icons for multimedia for example? |
| 12:03.37 | Stiffler | yes exactly |
| 12:03.38 | annma | k menu = kde menu |
| 12:03.41 | annma | distro? |
| 12:03.44 | Stiffler | pld th |
| 12:03.49 | Stiffler | testing |
| 12:03.52 | annma | KDE ships with those icons, Stiffler |
| 12:04.01 | Ace2007 | K3b wanted extra permissions and was on about a burning group so i created one with a GID of 38, now k3b says: Unable to find cdrecord executable Unable to find cdrdao executable i checked and both packages are emerged |
| 12:04.15 | annma | Ace2007: k3b setup checks all that |
| 12:04.19 | annma | run it |
| 12:04.50 | Ash-Fox | I have yet to burn a CD under Linux, and I've been using the OS for years now. |
| 12:04.52 | annma | Stiffler: the icons are set in the .desktop files I think |
| 12:04.54 | Ace2007 | yea i created the burning group and ran k3b setup |
| 12:05.27 | Stiffler | annma: but I have icons in all aplications but I haven't got any icons in group of aplications |
| 12:05.53 | annma | Stiffler: soemthing went wrong in your install |
| 12:05.58 | annma | did you tune KDE? |
| 12:06.10 | annma | are you a pld developer or user? |
| 12:06.14 | annma | and what is pld? |
| 12:06.15 | Stiffler | No I didn't |
| 12:06.22 | Stiffler | annma: I'm a user |
| 12:06.32 | annma | report it to your distro then |
| 12:06.38 | annma | you said: testing |
| 12:06.42 | Stiffler | the some version of kde works in pld ac stable |
| 12:06.56 | annma | what is pld? |
| 12:07.01 | Ace2007 | Wouldn't it just be a problem with your icon theme? couldn't you just change that? |
| 12:07.44 | Ace2007 | PLD is a free, RPM-based Linux distribution, aimed at the more advanced users and administrators, who accept the tradeoffs of using a system, that might require manual tweaking in exchange for much flexibility. |
| 12:07.46 | Stiffler | annma: polish linux distribution ;] |
| 12:07.51 | annma | Stiffler: do you know where your KDE is installed? in which dir? |
| 12:08.00 | Stiffler | I'll check it w8 |
| 12:08.50 | annma | kde-config --prefix |
| 12:08.53 | annma | paste answer |
| 12:09.07 | Stiffler | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.11 | annma | ok |
| 12:09.56 | annma | now go to /usr/share/desktop-directories/ |
| 12:10.04 | annma | what do you have here please? |
| 12:10.32 | Stiffler | in /usr/share |
| 12:10.32 | annma | do a ls and paste the 2 first files |
| 12:10.36 | annma | NO |
| 12:10.46 | annma | in /usr/share/desktop-directories/ |
| 12:10.54 | Stiffler | [stiffler@pldmachine desktop-directories]$ ls |
| 12:10.54 | Stiffler | Accessibility.directory kde-settings-network.directory |
| 12:10.54 | Stiffler | Accessories.directory kde-settings-peripherals.directory |
| 12:11.02 | annma | ok |
| 12:11.28 | annma | go there with konq file manager |
| 12:11.46 | annma | and you should see the .desktop files previewed as icons |
| 12:12.02 | Stiffler | annma: I need to change icon=xxxx in .desktop files? |
| 12:12.05 | Stiffler | ? |
| 12:12.11 | annma | yes |
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| 12:12.16 | annma | but it should be set |
| 12:12.19 | Stiffler | ok thx |
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| 12:12.30 | annma | report it to this pld |
| 12:12.38 | annma | if there are no icons there |
| 12:12.45 | Stiffler | multimedia.desktop has set Icon=gnome-multimedia |
| 12:12.45 | annma | or maybe it's a feature |
| 12:12.54 | Stiffler | ;] |
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| 12:13.14 | annma | what kde version is it? |
| 12:13.24 | Stiffler | 3.5.4 |
| 12:13.42 | annma | so it's a distro bug |
| 12:14.09 | Stiffler | ok I'll raport it |
| 12:14.18 | annma | all my files here are kde-<something>.directory |
| 12:14.29 | annma | i have kde compiled from kde svn |
| 12:14.46 | Stiffler | annma: do you have kde 4.0? |
| 12:14.56 | Ace2007 | You could ask in #pldhelp or #pld |
| 12:15.01 | annma | i have both kde 3.5 and kde4 yes |
| 12:15.19 | Ace2007 | so what does kde4 at this point look like? |
| 12:15.26 | Stiffler | Ace2007: I'm there |
| 12:15.28 | thiago | Ace2007: the same as KDE 3.5 |
| 12:16.00 | Ace2007 | how stable is it? |
| 12:16.12 | thiago | not very |
| 12:16.12 | Ace2007 | could you use it as your main desktop? |
| 12:16.13 | canllaith | *snrk* you're kidding right? ;) |
| 12:16.17 | thiago | Ace2007: not at all |
| 12:16.19 | canllaith | It's not very stable at all |
| 12:16.20 | Stiffler | and I also have problem with konqueror and this fucking Melformed URL |
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| 12:18.46 | Med | annma: do you run KDE in french? If so could you check the manual of kxkb and confirm it is written « 4. Disfonctionnements » instead of « 4. Dysfonctionnements ». Thanks |
| 12:19.01 | annma | Med: not in french |
| 12:19.24 | annma | Med: can you send me a mail with that? |
| 12:19.29 | annma | annma@kde.org |
| 12:19.36 | annma | i'll check later as i have too go now |
| 12:19.46 | Med | annma: ok thanks |
| 12:19.57 | annma | thanks to you, i'll check and fix it |
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| 12:21.07 | Mac39DO | Hi! How can I change the name of the cd-drives, which kde shows me automatically? |
| 12:22.06 | thiago | press F2 |
| 12:22.19 | thiago | in media:/ |
| 12:23.45 | Mac39DO | Does not work |
| 12:24.27 | Mac39DO | It is grey in the Menu |
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| 12:27.11 | gribouille | hi |
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| 12:27.41 | gribouille | I have several mail accounts. how can I choose easily which one to use whan I send a message ? |
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| 12:28.00 | thiago | View, Identity |
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| 12:29.04 | gribouille | thiago, what do you mean ? |
| 12:32.28 | Ace2007 | what email client are you using? |
| 12:33.08 | Med | gribouille: make several profiles |
| 12:33.24 | gribouille | Ace2007, I use kamil |
| 12:33.40 | Med | gribouille: when you want to send from a particular account, click on « Identité » |
| 12:34.01 | gribouille | Med, where ? |
| 12:34.01 | Med | gribouille: you have to check Affichage/Identité first |
| 12:34.13 | Med | gribouille: from the composing windows |
| 12:34.53 | Med | gribouille: to make identities it is the first tab in the kmail configuration window |
| 12:37.41 | gribouille | ok, thanks |
| 12:38.14 | Med | gribouille: you're welcome :) |
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| 12:41.39 | keisangi | hi there |
| 12:41.55 | keisangi | someone knows how i can edit view profiles of konqueror ? |
| 12:42.02 | keisangi | i would like the midnight commener view profile to display directory first ..] |
| 12:42.15 | keisangi | *commander |
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| 12:44.56 | gribouille | how does kmail decide which account to use to send mail ? |
| 12:45.31 | Sho_ | gribouille: You can set a default in the prefs, afaik |
| 12:46.36 | keisangi | someone could help me with view profile please? how can i edit them ? |
| 12:46.57 | keisangi | i would like midnight commander view to display directory first .. |
| 12:47.57 | keisangi | this cannot be done ? |
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| 12:49.50 | Sho_ | keisangi: It already sorts directories first here |
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| 12:50.33 | Sho_ | Presumably there's a config option somewhere that controls it |
| 12:51.12 | gribouille | Sho_, I mean, I have to accounts and two identities. how does kmail know which account to use when I use one identity ? |
| 12:51.15 | keisangi | :/ |
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| 12:51.31 | gribouille | s/to accounts/two accounts/ |
| 12:51.40 | pinotree | 'day PhilRod |
| 12:52.26 | PhilRod | hiya pinotree |
| 12:52.26 | Sho_ | gribouille: I haven't used KMail in a long time (way too unstable for serious use), but IIRC you could set a "Special transport" or something in the Identity prefs to select a specific outgoing server |
| 12:52.36 | tech9iner | G'Day pinotree Sho_ PhilRod G'Day G'Day |
| 12:52.49 | gribouille | Sho_, what mail client do you use ? |
| 12:52.50 | HugMySoul | What are you using Sho_, mutt? (If I may ask). |
| 12:52.54 | HugMySoul | ^^ |
| 12:53.01 | Sho_ | HugMySoul: Mozilla Thunderbird |
| 12:53.19 | gribouille | Sho_, what problems did you have with kamil ? |
| 12:53.28 | HugMySoul | Is that more stable than KMail nowadays? It used to be even more unstable at serious IMAP use. |
| 12:53.33 | Sho_ | gribouille: Settings -> Configure KMail -> Identities -> Select identity -> Modify -> Advanced -> [x] Special Transport -> Select outgoing server in drop-down |
| 12:53.47 | Sho_ | gribouille: It's very unstable with IMAP |
| 12:53.53 | Sho_ | HugMySoul: Never had a crash |
| 12:54.01 | HugMySoul | Okay, mm. |
| 12:54.52 | gribouille | Sho_, ok, thanks |
| 12:54.58 | Sho_ | That said, I'm not particularly happy with Thunderbird either |
| 12:55.06 | Sho_ | It does some rather stupid things |
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| 12:55.59 | Sho_ | For example, I'm of the opinion that its adaptive spam filter shouldn't touch email that was already matched by one of my manual filters; as it stands now, I occassionally find a number of mails from mailing list threads (sorted into folders by manual filters) in the Junk folder |
| 12:56.13 | Sho_ | And other similar stupidities |
| 12:56.45 | HugMySoul | Yeah I heard other people complaining about similar stuff. |
| 12:57.43 | HugMySoul | Mutt seems to be most stable but is ncurses and doesn't do spam filtering itself IIRC. |
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| 13:01.53 | sysop | hi guys |
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| 13:03.41 | sysop | well here is my problem. when I click on mouse under perferials on kcontrol, it locks up kcontol. all the other panels work fine. i tried running kcontrol from a shell to see any error messages and there were none. is there a log I can look in? |
| 13:04.01 | sysop | or just tellme how to set my cursor theme by hand. |
| 13:05.37 | pinotree | sysop: does ``kcmshell mouse` in a console work? |
| 13:06.17 | sysop | let me see brb thanks. |
| 13:08.08 | sysop | hasnt done anything so far. just sitting there. |
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| 13:12.17 | sysop | still sitting there no errors. |
| 13:12.29 | sysop | its just a simple ps2 mouse is what kills me. |
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| 13:14.09 | PhilRod | sysop: distro? |
| 13:14.13 | sysop | debain |
| 13:14.23 | sysop | unstable kde 3.5 |
| 13:14.33 | kucrut | sysop: you can have "Xcursor.theme: <themename>" in your .Xdefaults, iirc |
| 13:15.01 | sysop | ok where do I put the themes at? do I unbzip them? |
| 13:15.12 | sysop | I tried /usr/share/apps/kcminput |
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| 13:15.59 | kucrut | mine are in /usr/share/cursors (distro pkg) |
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| 13:16.56 | sysop | wish I had installed a cursor already it woudl have been easy to find. |
| 13:17.22 | sysop | but thanks for the help. I will go bug the people in #debian. |
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| 13:28.06 | undesktop | Konqueror freezes a short time, when I enter something into the address bar, that's often visited |
| 13:28.31 | undesktop | i.e. the first chars of the domain name, where I visited much stuff |
| 13:28.59 | undesktop | it freezes when the list drops down, and then works again after many seconds |
| 13:29.55 | undesktop | what can be done against it? |
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| 13:34.32 | err0r^ | huhu |
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| 14:01.13 | markey | stupid scam |
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| 14:01.20 | markey | get lost N1kcSrev |
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| 14:01.46 | markey | ban it |
| 14:01.57 | tech9iner | please |
| 14:02.16 | pinotree | grrrr |
| 14:02.24 | pinotree | the ban list is full -_-' |
| 14:02.28 | markey | lol |
| 14:02.35 | tech9iner | lol.. |
| 14:02.44 | pinotree | really... |
| 14:02.44 | undesktop | what does that command do? |
| 14:03.05 | tech9iner | a chanops work is never done/dull/delectable eh pinotree lol |
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| 14:03.16 | pinotree | heh |
| 14:03.19 | pinotree | lilo: PING |
| 14:03.44 | giangy | pong |
| 14:03.56 | pinotree | hmpf |
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| 14:07.23 | rob | sorry about that guys :) |
| 14:07.55 | pinotree | rob: please, there's a way to enlarge the ban list of this channel? |
| 14:08.20 | rob | there /is/ but its unlikely to happen |
| 14:08.31 | rob | doesn't scale well |
| 14:08.34 | pinotree | rob: here the list is full |
| 14:08.52 | pinotree | if some spammer came here and needs to be banned, i have to make room |
| 14:09.12 | rob | could +q them I guess |
| 14:09.33 | rob | some of them are quite old though |
| 14:09.54 | pinotree | yeah, but i've no idea if they could come back again |
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| 14:10.43 | tech9iner | jolly good show rob !! pip hip parade !! |
| 14:11.01 | rob | :) |
| 14:11.19 | tech9iner | just like police. we never like their lights on our tail. but. omy without them. anarchy rabidly ensues rob ;]]] |
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| 14:22.36 | oskar_ | Greetings. Is this the most appropriate place to ask questions about the panel applet 'desktop preview & pager'? |
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| 14:24.30 | pinotree | here |
| 14:25.21 | undesktop | oskar_: don't ask to ask |
| 14:25.32 | undesktop | anyway, seems like the support here is a bit weak... |
| 14:25.49 | undesktop | I didn't get any answer to my question a hour ago heh |
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| 14:27.57 | pinotree | undesktop: iirc that behaviour of konqueror's address bar is already reported, a search in bugs.kde.org could tell you that |
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| 14:28.24 | oskar_ | I run Suse 10.1 with KDE 3.5.1. Is there any way to configure the font color of the 'desktop preview & pager' applet, shown in the following screenshot: http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/oskar/t.png. I checked all the relevant config screens, but can't find it anywhere. |
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| 14:31.31 | simon23 | hello there, I'm copying text from one konqueror window into another. Now Konqueror wont copy the text! its a normal HTML file and i cant paste that text into any editor nor another Konqueror window ! Can anyone help me with that ? it just worked some minutes ago! |
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| 14:45.07 | undesktop | pinotree: thanks... but I couldn't find that bug; do you know the bug number? |
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| 14:45.46 | pinotree | sorry, no... i heard another user here (tiiime ago) talking about that |
| 14:46.11 | undesktop | well it isn't fixed in the stable version |
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| 14:46.54 | Viper550 | Does anyone use that Crystal window decoration? |
| 14:46.57 | skywa1k3r | hi... i'm having some trouble with kde - when i logon to kde, it does the init process, then shuts down my computer (goes to init 0) automatically. i'm able to login to gnome. any idea how i coudl figure out the problem? |
| 14:47.00 | MinceR | Viper550: i do |
| 14:47.19 | Viper550 | I love the Overlay system, allows you to easily add a personal touch to it! |
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| 14:48.23 | MinceR | i prefer having a simple darkened version of the desktop background on it :) |
| 14:48.31 | PhilRod | skywa1k3r: try logging in as a newly created user |
| 14:48.31 | MinceR | though i use Logo to show which window has focus |
| 14:48.40 | PhilRod | skywa1k3r: tell us if that works |
| 14:48.48 | skywa1k3r | hang on i'll try that |
| 14:48.55 | Viper550 | I go with no transparency and nice overlays |
| 14:49.45 | Viper550 | Like this one... http://bay01.imagebay.com/bay.php?view=7504_dualgradient.png |
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| 14:50.09 | MinceR | ic |
| 14:50.11 | skywa1k3r | PhilRod: same thing |
| 14:50.16 | skywa1k3r | with a new user |
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| 14:50.20 | skywa1k3r | i'm using it on ppc, btw |
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| 14:51.13 | marvinalone | for some reason, when i maximise a window, it doesn't have window borders anymore, ie, i can't resize after maximizing. it used to not do that. how did i break it, and how do i unbreak it? |
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| 14:52.14 | MinceR | i'd like to have it like that :) |
| 14:52.29 | undesktop | marvinalone: window manager |
| 14:52.40 | MinceR | i tend to use alt+rightmousebutton to resize and keep borders only to keep dialogs from looking weird |
| 14:52.43 | PhilRod | skywa1k3r: how are you logging into kde? startx or kdm? |
| 14:52.44 | marvinalone | undesktop: kwin |
| 14:52.49 | skywa1k3r | PhilRoad: What happens is - the basic kde desktop loads, the mouse pointer has a bouncing fedora icon comes up, and then the whole screen goes black and I get the init 0 messages - will it be dumping debug into into a log file somewhere? |
| 14:53.04 | PhilRod | ~/.xsession-errors maybe |
| 14:53.13 | undesktop | marvinalone: oh, then it isn't a foreign window manager, strange then |
| 14:53.14 | skywa1k3r | ok |
| 14:53.44 | marvinalone | ... maybe it's an ubuntu ideosyncracy. i think ill ask them. |
| 14:54.14 | skywa1k3r | PhilRod: no such file |
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| 14:55.15 | solemnwarning | Can kword export to PDF? |
| 14:56.06 | tech9iner | solemnwarning google shirley knows? |
| 14:56.13 | undesktop | solemnwarning: of course, everything on Linux can export to pdf |
| 14:56.13 | tech9iner | dont recall here |
| 14:56.21 | tech9iner | lol |
| 14:56.46 | PhilRod | skywa1k3r: could be somewhere in /var/log. Anyway, how are you starting kde? |
| 14:57.00 | PhilRod | solemnwarning: file -> print -> print to pdf |
| 14:57.08 | undesktop | tech9iner: huh? you just have to print sth. into a file, then it's ps... and from ps to pdf it's a small step |
| 14:57.18 | skywa1k3r | through fedora's normal login screen |
| 14:57.37 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 14:57.50 | tech9iner | lmao?? undesktop huh?.. your turn lol. not the lads ? if I recall correctly hehe |
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| 14:58.10 | undesktop | tech9iner: shut up |
| 14:58.21 | tech9iner | lmao. omy .... |
| 14:58.30 | undesktop | stupid person |
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| 14:58.49 | tech9iner | roflmfao. age... |
| 14:58.59 | solemnwarning | Also, can I center an actual text frame, not just the text inside it? |
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| 15:00.27 | PhilRod | skywa1k3r: you might have to ask in #fedora - it sounds like it must be somehow distro-related, if it's sending commands to init |
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| 15:02.48 | skywa1k3r | PhilRod: will do. thanks |
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| 15:04.48 | magyar | hello, is there a way to prevent kontact/kmail from poping up with yes or no warnings for a imap account when a remote deletion occures? |
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| 15:14.40 | mcmikey | hi |
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| 15:16.54 | mcmikey | I cannot get kmail with openpgp/mime working. encrypting works fine but when I send a message to myself I can't read it instead of asking me for the passphrase I get the following error: "Reason: Crypto plug-in "openpgp" could not decrypt the data Error: Bad passphrase" |
| 15:17.34 | annma | i already heard that one |
| 15:17.39 | mcmikey | this is kde 3.5.4 gpg version 1..4.5 |
| 15:17.50 | annma | try #kontact maybe |
| 15:18.09 | annma | does it work when you send a message to other people/ |
| 15:18.54 | mcmikey | have not tried yet. but I suppose sending works fine, as they are encrypted but not decrypted. |
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| 15:22.46 | annma | try getting someone to send you an encrypted message |
| 15:22.51 | annma | what distro is it/ |
| 15:23.46 | mcmikey | this is debian etch |
| 15:23.59 | mcmikey | ok, got en encrytped message from so.same error. |
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| 15:24.13 | mcmikey | the problem is, that it doesn't ask me for any passphrase. |
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| 15:24.39 | sredna | Let me try if it works here on kubuntu, mcmikey |
| 15:26.47 | mcmikey | I found lot's of people with the same error on google, but none of the solutions there is working here. |
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| 15:32.05 | sredna | mcmikey: Do you have a GUI pinentry installed, and pgp-agent run in your KDE startup shell? |
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| 15:32.31 | sredna | mcmikey: Personally, I have qtpinentry, and run pgp-agent from a script in ~/.kde/env |
| 15:32.37 | magyar | hello, is there a way to prevent kontact/kmail from poping up with yes or no warnings for a imap account when a remote deletion occures? |
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| 15:33.19 | mcmikey | yeah, both. .gnupg/pgp.conf points to the right direction and echo $GPG_AGENT_INFO seems to be ok too. |
| 15:33.38 | mcmikey | but this is all just done in this session. do you think I should restart the session? |
| 15:34.19 | mcmikey | #!/bin/bash eval "$(gpg-agent --daemon)" is my env-script. |
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| 15:34.39 | sredna | Yes, just like mine |
| 15:35.08 | sredna | All I can say is that I am asked for a passphrase when signing and unencrypting messages |
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| 15:35.41 | mcmikey | ok, I will restart the session than. maybe there is somehting cached. brb |
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| 15:38.39 | mcmikey | sredna: with the new session it works. |
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| 15:38.48 | sredna | mcmikey: Good then :) |
| 15:39.01 | mcmikey | thanks. |
| 15:39.04 | sredna | Hi annma btw, how are things in canada? |
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| 15:39.14 | sredna | Yaw mcmikey ;) |
| 15:39.30 | mcmikey | next time I will start a new session as soon as I have done the hwoto I found. |
| 15:39.38 | pinotree | sredna: annma is in france now ;) |
| 15:39.43 | mcmikey | btw. it is a shame that it doesn't work out of the box. |
| 15:40.00 | sredna | pinotree: Auch, I did not know about that |
| 15:40.51 | sredna | annma: How exciting! Where in france are you? |
| 15:41.34 | solemnwarning | Why does the syntax highlighting for .h files show standard typedef's like uint32_t as types, but not the syntax highlighting for .c files? |
| 15:41.35 | sredna | mcmikey: I can't remember if I did something special to install qtpinentry (I'm in kubuntu), but I know that I had that script in my .kde directory. A good distro could easily make it all work out of the box. |
| 15:42.39 | sredna | solemnwarning: Because it is not defined in that file I'd guess. I use C very rarely, so I wouldn't know why though |
| 15:42.41 | mcmikey | sredna: ok, it's debian then ;) |
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| 15:44.57 | mcmikey | bye |
| 15:45.01 | solemnwarning | Both files use the same syntax highlighting, so it must be a bug |
| 15:45.22 | annma | sredna: near Toulouse |
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| 15:45.30 | annma | I have to go for a while |
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| 15:45.33 | annma | bbl |
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| 15:45.46 | sredna | solemnwarning: I think that there is a preference for .h files to use the C++ highlighter |
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| 15:48.00 | solemnwarning | Where is the C source file syntax highlighting stored? |
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| 15:49.23 | thiago | KDEDIRS/share/apps/katepart/syntax |
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| 15:53.00 | Homer | is GNASH useable yet? |
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| 15:54.39 | sredna | Homer: What is GNASH? |
| 15:55.12 | Myrizio | solemnwarning: because i think that highlighting for all .h files is the same as C++ (not C) |
| 15:56.00 | MinceR | sredna: opensource flash player |
| 15:56.17 | MinceR | it doesn't have new flash features though, afaik |
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| 15:58.13 | sredna | MinceR: It's been a while (a half year maybe) since I tried that, but I doubt it is of any practical use yet |
| 15:59.17 | MinceR | i haven't ever tried it |
| 15:59.26 | MinceR | even the official flash player is outdated |
| 15:59.48 | MinceR | i hate flash anyway (and i hate macromedia, too) |
| 16:02.11 | sredna | It's amazing what a laid back experience the www is without flash enabled, a popup blocker and a good ad filter ;) |
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| 16:02.40 | sredna | A standard windows PC feels like a tivoli on drugs in comparison |
| 16:04.40 | MinceR | i keep them at bay with a userjs for opera |
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| 16:05.13 | MinceR | (flash, plugin content and iframes appear as gray boxes that turn into the intended content if i click them) |
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| 16:05.42 | benJIman | konqueror does that too |
| 16:05.44 | MinceR | unfortunately, flash plugins still get loaded occasionally and shown for a brief moment -- but playing doesn't start |
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| 16:16.47 | uein | hi |
| 16:17.00 | uein | it is possible to burn a .cue on K3b ? |
| 16:19.01 | jldas | a .cue is an image file |
| 16:19.12 | jldas | which needs a .bin |
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| 16:19.42 | benJIman | you can use bin2iso to convert it to an iso |
| 16:19.49 | jldas | anyone can tell me if K3b can burn this kind of images? |
| 16:19.53 | jldas | bin2iso |
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| 16:23.00 | sparr_ | does kde have a photo organizing/browsing app? |
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| 16:23.23 | netstar_ | How do you change the font color in the KDE kicker from default black? |
| 16:23.43 | jldas | benJIman: do you know where I can get the bin2Iso version for linux? |
| 16:24.30 | benJIman | it is a script |
| 16:24.36 | benJIman | or maybe not |
| 16:24.41 | benJIman | anyway it's the first hit on google I think |
| 16:25.05 | jldas | ok |
| 16:25.35 | annma | netstar_: look in the faq |
| 16:25.41 | annma | link in topic |
| 16:28.25 | jldas | benJIman: that script is secure? |
| 16:28.27 | netstar_ | annma no answer there |
| 16:28.51 | annma | ah i thought the icon fonts |
| 16:29.03 | benJIman | jldas: "secure"? |
| 16:29.06 | netstar_ | I mean the font of the taskbar |
| 16:29.09 | jldas | safe* |
| 16:29.10 | benJIman | why does it need to be secure, it converts a cue to an iso |
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| 16:29.19 | benJIman | top hit on google is fine |
| 16:29.35 | jldas | but it could do a good conversion or a bad conversion |
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| 16:29.44 | sredna | sparr_: Digikam or kphotoalbum |
| 16:30.22 | annma | try to look in the taskbar config file, netstar_ |
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| 16:34.06 | sredna | netstar_: I believe it uses the general widget colors, and if you use transparency, it adds shadow |
| 16:34.51 | sparr_ | sredna: does either offer features to facilitate mounting my SD card or usb-connected camera, and moving pictures off them? |
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| 16:35.36 | sredna | sparr_: Digikam does for sure, it' s been very long since I used kphotoalbum but I would think that does too |
| 16:36.46 | sparr_ | thanks |
| 16:36.52 | sparr_ | guess it's time for me to switch back to kde :) |
| 16:38.49 | jldas | tks |
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| 16:57.55 | exs | Hello..I'm trying to install the new Ktorrent, but I get (for version 2.02) "Error: Dependancy is not satisfiable: kdelibs4"; and for 2.00 I get "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-bittorrent.desktop', which is also in packahe kdelibs-data".. I've tried reinstalling kdelibs many many times, nothing helps. Thanks |
| 16:59.15 | annma | debian? |
| 16:59.32 | tech9iner | G'Day annma ... |
| 16:59.40 | annma | hi tech9iner :) |
| 16:59.50 | tech9iner | ;] |
| 17:00.01 | kucrut | ktorrent doesnt need kdelibs4 |
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| 17:01.37 | annma | exs: ask in your distro channel please |
| 17:01.51 | annma | the error you get are from your distro |
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| 17:04.19 | rr73 | tech9iner~ hey |
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| 17:05.12 | tech9iner | many mooneth rr73 ;] |
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| 17:05.35 | tech9iner | rr73 you still sporting regrowable green scaly tails lad? |
| 17:05.42 | tech9iner | ;] |
| 17:05.46 | rr73 | huh? |
| 17:06.06 | tech9iner | rr73 suse mate. s u s e .. tao of the green lizard path o joy lad.. |
| 17:06.08 | tech9iner | lol |
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| 17:06.28 | rr73 | ah |
| 17:06.30 | rr73 | yeah |
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| 17:06.33 | tech9iner | rr73 we only spent hours n days shaking it out |
| 17:06.34 | rr73 | on this pc |
| 17:06.37 | tech9iner | lmao |
| 17:06.43 | rr73 | but kubuntu on others |
| 17:07.08 | tech9iner | ahh. and k? rr73 ?.. as kde tight n tidy in its own way as kde/suse then? |
| 17:07.41 | tech9iner | rr73 I have got me snailed 5cds here side me but not played yet. your IMHO must be positive or not booting several boxes eh |
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| 17:08.16 | rr73 | honestly i don't know what ur saying sometimes |
| 17:08.22 | tech9iner | was going to drop it on 1 or 2 of my old toughbooks and see how it flies.. |
| 17:08.40 | rr73 | you should drop ur toughbook |
| 17:08.45 | rr73 | see how tough it really is |
| 17:08.55 | rr73 | during install drop it |
| 17:09.19 | tech9iner | rr73 BenThereDoneThat!.. /me has sold n worked w toughbooks now bout 3 years ;]] |
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| 17:09.49 | rr73 | toshiba i think made a military laptop that can be dropped 6 stories, im pulling the numbers from i don't know wehre |
| 17:09.58 | tech9iner | they can take hits most cant. impervious? silly .. no. tough?.. eh yes.. |
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| 17:10.45 | tech9iner | but of course rr73 hehe. there's always a one upper in most lines now huh heh |
| 17:11.01 | tech9iner | perhaps i.e. cray computers? hehe |
| 17:11.14 | tech9iner | ooops. door.. .. |
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| 17:14.17 | voicu | Hi, I have a problem with the kde icons. I was using crystal svg. i upgraded from 3.5.2 to 3.5.4. then i saved the theme to back it up (i wanted to install another one). the theme didn't work but messed the settings and i used the backup to restore them. now some icons are missing (katapult, konq-back,forward,up,etc, log out, lock screen and others). can i get a fast fix or do i need to rewrite a lot of configs? |
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| 17:14.53 | voicu | wow, a lot of text |
| 17:17.24 | tech9iner | silly ? here voicu .. but u did logout n back to Desktop Environment tween changes ? |
| 17:18.02 | voicu | tech9iner: lol, restarted X, kdm, linux about n times (n -> infinity) |
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| 17:18.27 | tech9iner | u were indeed warned silly bits heheh. nm |
| 17:18.37 | tech9iner | back 2 me hole ;] |
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| 17:24.46 | Homer | how do I take a screenshot |
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| 17:25.02 | giangy | Homer: ksnapshot? |
| 17:25.33 | Med | Homer: hit the "print screen" key? |
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| 17:27.49 | Homer | thank you |
| 17:27.50 | Homer | :) |
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| 17:36.40 | gribouille | is it possible to have several configurations for kde simultaneously ? |
| 17:37.00 | simon23 | hello, how can i set the fontsize for GTK+ Programms while using KDE ? I have big problems reading the menu entries of xmms or cheops... can anyone give me a hint? |
| 17:37.13 | Ardonik | gribouille: Back up your .kde, move it out, and log in again. |
| 17:37.47 | gribouille | Ardonik, I have also .kde2/ and kderc |
| 17:37.59 | gribouille | .kderc I mean |
| 17:37.59 | Ardonik | simon23: get the gtk-qt-engine package. |
| 17:38.15 | Ardonik | gribouille: those sound like they came from old versioned of KDE. |
| 17:38.31 | gribouille | Ardonik, can I remove .kde2/ ? |
| 17:38.42 | Ardonik | I wouldn't until I knew exactly what was in it. |
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| 17:38.58 | gribouille | does kde use it ? |
| 17:39.05 | cowbud | whenI try to run khtml2png it is giving me an error that it can't find the 'append' command |
| 17:39.09 | cowbud | any ideas what that is? |
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| 17:43.28 | cowbud | nevermind figured it out |
| 17:43.29 | cowbud | Wabam |
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| 17:44.13 | MARTINI | hi |
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| 17:44.43 | Homer | what is a MacOS X switchbar for KDE? |
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| 17:48.29 | Ardonik | Homer: there might be a superkaramba applet that does it. |
| 17:50.03 | Theory | MacOSX switchbar? |
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| 17:54.57 | Homer | Ardonik: I think there is like 5-6 standalones that do it |
| 17:55.34 | pinotree | kxdocker is one, for example |
| 17:55.51 | PhinnFort | ksmoothdock or something is another one |
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| 17:56.46 | PhinnFort | anyone know how often the auto-sync with the ntp server is supposed to happen? |
| 17:59.11 | simon23 | Ardonik: what if i get the gtk-qt-engine package, how can i set the fontsize then - or is it set automatically? |
| 18:00.15 | Ardonik | You'd just set the Qt theme with kcontrol or QtConfig, I think. |
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| 18:01.31 | simon23 | Ardonik: I found "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt" that should be it - right? |
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| 18:01.52 | Ardonik | I have no idea. It's called gtk-qt-engine on my distro. |
| 18:02.00 | kyaneos | hi |
| 18:02.04 | PhinnFort | hi |
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| 18:02.52 | simon23 | Ardonik: I 'll just try it out. and then come back if it doesnt work and ask again in #debian :-) thanks. |
| 18:03.26 | PhinnFort | how often does KDE sync with the NTP time-server? |
| 18:03.27 | PhinnFort | ? |
| 18:04.19 | grothesk_ | PhinnFort: Never. |
| 18:04.30 | PhinnFort | even if I set it to sync automatically? |
| 18:04.59 | grothesk_ | PhinnFort: This is not a KDE feature. |
| 18:05.19 | grothesk_ | This is being implemented by your distribution. |
| 18:05.23 | PhinnFort | gentoo? |
| 18:05.42 | Desintegr | for me a sync per day |
| 18:05.42 | grothesk_ | You have to set up a ntp-client. |
| 18:05.43 | Desintegr | at boot |
| 18:05.56 | PhinnFort | it syncs once, when i select that function |
| 18:06.01 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Where have you set it? |
| 18:06.18 | PhinnFort | Sho_: right click on my clock, and choose "Adjust date&time" |
| 18:06.24 | PhinnFort | at the top there |
| 18:06.40 | Sho_ | Interesting |
| 18:06.44 | Sho_ | I was 100% unaware of that UI |
| 18:06.48 | PhinnFort | heh |
| 18:06.52 | PhinnFort | and you call yourself a dev? |
| 18:06.53 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 18:06.58 | Sho_ | Yeah ;) |
| 18:07.26 | Homer | How can I hide kicker? |
| 18:07.34 | Homer | like completely |
| 18:07.34 | PhinnFort | Homer: killall kicker? |
| 18:07.41 | Homer | no not that way |
| 18:07.44 | PhinnFort | :P |
| 18:07.51 | Homer | :[ |
| 18:07.53 | annma | hide? |
| 18:08.00 | annma | there's an arrow |
| 18:08.01 | Homer | I'm messing aroun with kvdock |
| 18:08.06 | Homer | which kinda doesn't work well with kicker |
| 18:08.12 | Homer | where? |
| 18:08.20 | annma | i have it on the right |
| 18:08.24 | PhinnFort | Homer: right click on the panel, and select "Remove Panel" |
| 18:08.28 | annma | it is configurable if i remember |
| 18:08.43 | PhinnFort | go to the kcontrol control center, and mess around with the settings there |
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| 18:10.23 | PhinnFort | Sho_: it's (the automatic sync thingy) is only visible if I have NTP installed, though |
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| 18:12.50 | vorwarts | can anyone explain why it is no longer possible to select an aspell dictionary other than the one which matches a given locale? |
| 18:13.15 | vorwarts | this nis getting to gnomish for my taste :( |
| 18:13.33 | PhinnFort | and why can't i see the names of non-english ones? |
| 18:14.09 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: time to glance at the sources, I suppose .. |
| 18:14.26 | vorwarts | my case is even more pathetic. i have my locale set to spanish but i NEED to spell check english texts |
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| 18:14.54 | PhinnFort | well, i can select other locales, but I can't see what they're called, it's just blank |
| 18:15.18 | vorwarts | this is really resembling GNOME straightjacket dangerously :( :( |
| 18:15.42 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: kdebase/kcontrol/clock/dtime.cpp |
| 18:15.47 | PhinnFort | danke |
| 18:15.48 | PhinnFort | :P |
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| 18:16.21 | Sho_ | PhinnFort: Glancing at it I don't think it checks the time periodically |
| 18:16.30 | PhinnFort | ok |
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| 18:22.21 | Homer | yo |
| 18:22.36 | Homer | how do I change from 24-hour time to AM/PM time |
| 18:22.51 | PhilRod | control cente r-> regional and accesibilty |
| 18:22.56 | PhilRod | country and region, I think |
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| 18:24.42 | sparr | I guess since libgphoto doesnt support my camera yet I am SOL for downloading pictures from it in digikam/kphotoalbum for now? |
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| 18:26.29 | pgimeno_ | names #kde |
| 18:26.37 | pgimeno_ | oops |
| 18:26.40 | sparr | [names] Me, You, Them |
| 18:27.50 | pgimeno_ | I have a problem, I have just mounted a home directory as remote and KDE does not boot. Is there some way to troubleshoot login problems? a log file or something? |
| 18:28.09 | sparr | Is there a good photo organizer for linux that can handle mounting my SD card and copying files off of it to my album(s)? |
| 18:28.43 | PhilRod | sparr: I expect you could do it with digikam |
| 18:28.54 | sparr | i cant seem to find any support for reading from a SD card in digikam |
| 18:29.03 | PhilRod | you might need to use HAL/pmount/the KDE media:/ stuff to mount the card |
| 18:30.22 | sparr | not familiar with any of those |
| 18:30.54 | sparr | it frustrates me when i encounter places where windows has such an interface advantage |
| 18:31.25 | kendrick | lame |
| 18:31.28 | kendrick | this karamba loads firefox |
| 18:31.38 | kendrick | rather than $my_browser_of_choice (aka konqueror) |
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| 18:55.47 | cassiopea | This might seem like a stupid question, but how do you change the icon that's displayed for the shortcuts on the desktop, and is there a way of aligning all the shortcuts? |
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| 18:56.28 | jaboua | Right-click the icon |
| 18:56.30 | jaboua | Properties |
| 18:56.34 | jaboua | Click on the image |
| 18:56.41 | jaboua | there you can change it |
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| 18:56.59 | jaboua | And right click desktop -> icons -> Align to grid |
| 18:57.16 | Sikon | what part of KDE is responsible for changing the X cursor? |
| 18:58.20 | cassiopea | jaboua, thanx, that questions is starting to look stupider by the minute |
| 18:58.39 | jaboua | np :P |
| 18:58.55 | jaboua | And no questions are stupid ;) |
| 19:00.28 | rr73 | only stupid people |
| 19:00.33 | Homer | is there anyway to use gecko instead of khtml in Konq? |
| 19:00.40 | Theory | Homer: no |
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| 19:04.04 | kendrick | not yet |
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| 19:07.36 | sparr | When I attach a usb storage device to my computer, or put a card in my usb card reader, I would like it to be mounted and appear on my desktop, possibly even to pop up a file manager view. Is this possible in kde? |
| 19:08.14 | kendrick | yes |
| 19:08.18 | kendrick | i think you need HAL |
| 19:08.20 | kendrick | and the KDE hal stuff. |
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| 19:08.24 | Blissex | sparr: depends on the distribution, not KDE. |
| 19:08.36 | mulander | Hi all, I have a newbie question - when I fire up konqueror (as a file manager, didn't check it as a browser) the background color is by default set to black. Color schems doesn't affect this. And in it's settings I can change only the default text color not the background color - so my question is: where can I change konquerors background color? |
| 19:08.51 | AssociateX | I just came across a funny letter from Linus T. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html |
| 19:09.39 | mulander | sparr: it works like you describe it when I'm using hal + ivman to manage automounting. |
| 19:09.43 | simon23 | Ardonik: some minutes ago you told me about that library i had to install to get a better gtk fontsize while using kde ... remember? Do i have to restart my KDE to get it working ? otherwise I would have a problem :-/ (cant restart atm just wont to know if you know it) |
| 19:10.06 | Ardonik | simon23: I don't think so. |
| 19:10.20 | pinotree | mulander: view -> configure background |
| 19:10.28 | Ardonik | simon23: and to test it, you don't need to restart KDE. You can start another KDE inside Xnest or a virtual console. |
| 19:10.34 | Ardonik | Or even vncserver. |
| 19:10.54 | mulander | pinotree: lol, now I feel stupid :D thanks |
| 19:10.54 | Ardonik | This is X. We don't have an artificially limited number of displays like we had in Windows-land. |
| 19:11.00 | pinotree | mulander: yw |
| 19:11.05 | simon23 | Ardonik: well - i now have a menu entry in my control center to adjust the gtk font size, but that has no effect for some reason. |
| 19:11.23 | Ardonik | simon23: did you try adjusting the *Qt* font size? |
| 19:11.36 | simon23 | Ardonik: yes. |
| 19:11.41 | Ardonik | Via the current KDE theme, or QtConfig? |
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| 19:12.33 | simon23 | Ardonik: ... unfortunately i have no clue about nested x sessions... dont want to crash my KDE while working (and that can happen when not knowing what exactly I'm doing.) |
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| 19:13.01 | simon23 | Ardonik: ...you dont speak german - do you ? |
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| 19:13.30 | Ardonik | simon23: not a word. |
| 19:13.46 | Ardonik | simon23: learn about nested X sessions. They're harmless and useful. |
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| 19:14.22 | simon23 | Ardonik: ...is there a menu entry for that in the K Menu where is "change current user" too ? |
| 19:14.28 | Ardonik | left ctrl + left alt + f[1-7] will bring up a different virtual terminal. A simple xinit /path/to/startkde -- :1 will open a new KDE session. |
| 19:14.35 | Homer | where do I get these artsy abstract images people have as BGs? |
| 19:14.45 | Ardonik | Homer: kde-look.org has a LOT. |
| 19:14.55 | Ardonik | Wincustomize.org and customize.org fulfill the rest of my needs. |
| 19:15.19 | Ardonik | Especially for the "Trendy, exploded 3d primitives" sort of wallpapers. |
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| 19:16.14 | simon23 | Ardonik: ...so if i do that from the virtual console 6 I would have my recent Xsession on the virtual console 7 (as usual) and the new session at CTRL+ALT+6 (meaning the sixth virtual console) right ? |
| 19:16.15 | Ardonik | I go to gnome-look.org for some nature backgrounds as well. And don't forget http://www.solarvoyager.com/wallpaper.asp. |
| 19:16.26 | Ardonik | simon23: Yes. |
| 19:16.55 | Homer | there is ALOT of nature backgrounds |
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| 19:17.00 | Homer | on kde-look |
| 19:17.20 | simon23 | Ardonik: great ! thanks a lot ! |
| 19:17.44 | Homer | lol kdesktop crashed |
| 19:17.49 | Homer | how do I reload it |
| 19:18.11 | jaboua | alt-f2 and enter kdesktop? |
| 19:18.16 | Ardonik | Just run "kdesktop" |
| 19:18.31 | Sutoka | 'kdeinit_wrapper kdesktop' is a pretty way also |
| 19:19.15 | mulander | another newbie question if you all will allow it ;) - I have my kde set for nationality -> Poland / Language -> Us English -- in this settings most apps install with the english language which I prefer ( LINGUAS="en" set ), but one app installed with polish language ( this is not an issue ) my problem is that my native characters aren't displayed correctly, instead I see something simillar to a box, my kde uses fonts that I know can correctly display my na |
| 19:19.22 | mulander | (sorry for a long and a little chaotical message) |
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| 19:20.12 | Theory | mulander: what distro? |
| 19:20.21 | mulander | Theory: Gentoo |
| 19:20.29 | Theory | what is your system locale set to? |
| 19:20.42 | mulander | well it's a little mix ;) let me explain. |
| 19:20.45 | Homer | I went into console and typed "kdesktop" |
| 19:20.46 | Homer | and it worked |
| 19:20.59 | Theory | (not kde, system) |
| 19:21.01 | jaboua | mulander: are you using UTF8 |
| 19:21.02 | Homer | man I love that about linux, very intitutive console |
| 19:21.23 | mulander | jaboua: no, not UTF8 |
| 19:21.44 | mulander | iso-8859-2 |
| 19:22.42 | mulander | mainly I would like a pure english system (all apps in english, but able to display my native chars) |
| 19:23.04 | Homer | I want that floating Gnu bg |
| 19:23.07 | mulander | the only problems are from some kde apps, on Debian the solution was to change kde fonts, but on Gentoo it doesn't seem to work. |
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| 19:23.11 | Homer | probably on gnome-look.org |
| 19:23.20 | jaboua | I have all my apps in english, but display files in norwegian (with chatrs like åøæ) - with UTF8 everything works fine. |
| 19:23.55 | simon23 | hello again. which is the KDE executable file (to start KDE ),... please ? |
| 19:24.00 | jaboua | startkde |
| 19:24.10 | Sutoka | i think you may need to use UTF8 |
| 19:24.26 | mulander | jaboua: yes, but i don't want to rebuild the system to UTF8, I'm on PIII 600 - so compilation takes almost forever :P |
| 19:24.26 | Homer | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/files/35159-gnu_forest.jpg |
| 19:25.09 | jaboua | Know the feeling, used to have gentoo on a p3 733 :P |
| 19:25.23 | Homer | whats the wallpaper directory in KDE? |
| 19:25.23 | simon23 | jaboua: is the 'startkde' file in /usr/bin ? |
| 19:25.23 | mulander | ok so maybe another approach, 1 question 1 possible solution. |
| 19:25.41 | jaboua | simon23, yes |
| 19:25.43 | mulander | the question: why did Kuroo install with Polish language ignoring the LINGUAS variable? |
| 19:26.09 | mulander | all other applications ( in example: amaroK, ksnapshot, k3b etc. ) install with english as default |
| 19:26.25 | jaboua | Are you using english locale? |
| 19:26.31 | simon23 | jaboua: thanks, find took so long to get it... :-) |
| 19:26.40 | jaboua | np :P |
| 19:26.52 | mulander | jaboua: are you refering to the system locale, or to the kde locale settings? |
| 19:26.54 | Sutoka | simon23: you can use 'which startkde' to see where in the path 'startkde' is located |
| 19:26.59 | jaboua | Not KDEs |
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| 19:27.06 | i_is_cat | whats the command to refresh the desktop? |
| 19:27.12 | i_is_cat | i have a weird image kinda floating there |
| 19:27.15 | jaboua | mulander: Run "locale" |
| 19:27.26 | mulander | pl_PL |
| 19:27.30 | mulander | mostly |
| 19:27.36 | jaboua | There you go |
| 19:27.36 | mulander | LC_MESSAGES=C |
| 19:27.46 | PhilRod | i_is_cat: right click on it -> refresh desktop |
| 19:27.48 | jaboua | Set it to en_us |
| 19:27.53 | pinotree | no |
| 19:27.55 | jaboua | kuro should be in english |
| 19:28.03 | i_is_cat | lol thanks i thought there was a key command tho |
| 19:28.04 | jaboua | LC_ALL=en_US |
| 19:28.06 | pinotree | kde3 does not take LC_* into account |
| 19:28.16 | pinotree | (at least the LC_LANG) |
| 19:28.23 | jaboua | pinotree: Is kuro a KDE app? |
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| 19:28.30 | Sutoka | i_is_cat: "dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface refresh" <-- that also will work |
| 19:28.31 | pinotree | no idea |
| 19:28.37 | mulander | jaboua: yes, kuroo is a kde app - frontend for portage. |
| 19:28.40 | jaboua | oh |
| 19:28.52 | mulander | previously Guitoo |
| 19:28.55 | icwiener | Not a KDE app, just an app for KDE. |
| 19:28.58 | jaboua | Because non-KDE apps don't care of what you set in kcontrol as language |
| 19:29.01 | icwiener | That's a difference. |
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| 19:29.14 | Sutoka | mulander: is the locale for root set to be en? |
| 19:29.33 | mulander | Sutoka: the locale for root are the same as users locale. |
| 19:29.56 | mulander | but it didn't affect other applications like amaroK and that makes it wierd for me. |
| 19:30.05 | jaboua | Amarok is a KDE app |
| 19:30.11 | jaboua | It doesn't listen to the locales |
| 19:30.19 | jaboua | KDE has it's own localization system |
| 19:30.23 | mulander | I see. |
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| 19:30.30 | icwiener | Amarok isn't a KDE app, As far as si know. |
| 19:30.32 | mulander | so Kuroo is just an application based on qt ? |
| 19:30.44 | icwiener | Juk is the official KDE audioplayer. |
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| 19:31.08 | jaboua | iciwiener: it depends on kdebase |
| 19:31.17 | jaboua | amarok depends on kdebase |
| 19:31.18 | Sutoka | Amarok is a KDE app, but not officially |
| 19:31.22 | jaboua | yeah |
| 19:31.37 | icwiener | Sutoka: That's what I wanted to say. :) |
| 19:31.45 | Sutoka | jaboua: Amarok doesn't depend on kdebase AFAIK (thats why they didn't want to make 'delete' move the file to the trash) |
| 19:31.48 | mulander | ok I want to ask another thing, If I change the Language in Kdes locale, will the characters get displayed correctly? what are your guesses? |
| 19:32.08 | jaboua | Sutoka: I just checked the dependencies in pacman (frugalware) |
| 19:32.17 | jaboua | It said kdebase>=3.5.4 |
| 19:32.18 | pinotree | mulander: all the kde's locales are UTF-8 encoded |
| 19:32.20 | mulander | Sutoka: amaroK depends on kdelibs |
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| 19:32.41 | pinotree | amarok depends on kdelibs because of the konqueror sidebar plugin |
| 19:32.51 | pinotree | but it's optional when compiling from sources |
| 19:33.07 | mulander | pinotree: even with flag -kde (which disables the plugin) still requires kdelibs |
| 19:33.18 | pinotree | ?? |
| 19:33.21 | icwiener | The Debian Maintainer made it depend on xmms as well. :( |
| 19:33.22 | pinotree | amarok IS a kde app |
| 19:33.23 | mulander | unless the ebuild maintainer maid a mistake. |
| 19:33.27 | PhilRod | pinotree: surely amarok *always* depends on kdelibs - did you mean kdebase? |
| 19:33.35 | annma | of course amarok depends on kdelibs |
| 19:33.37 | pinotree | if you disable kde, how can you build it? |
| 19:33.53 | Homer | amarok is a kde app that has it's own release cycle no? |
| 19:33.53 | mulander | pinotree: -kde removes integration from the desktop. |
| 19:33.56 | pinotree | yeah, PhilRod got my point (and my typo) |
| 19:34.01 | mulander | konqueror plugin in this example. |
| 19:34.02 | icwiener | pinotree: It runs under KDE, but it is not oficially a part of KDE. |
| 19:34.14 | Sutoka | no one was claiming amarok didn't use kdelibs |
| 19:34.18 | pinotree | i know that... |
| 19:34.20 | annma | icwiener: it doe snot mean it does need kdelibs |
| 19:34.26 | annma | all KDE apps needs kdelibs |
| 19:34.33 | annma | otherwise they are not kde apps |
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| 19:34.49 | annma | inside or outside KDE svn repository |
| 19:34.53 | icwiener | But not every app, that needs kdelibs, is a KDE app (officially) |
| 19:35.10 | jaboua | But technically it is :P |
| 19:35.14 | pinotree | icwiener: any app that uses kdelibs mainly, it is |
| 19:35.14 | annma | it is a KDE app |
| 19:35.23 | icwiener | technically it only uses kdelibs. |
| 19:35.24 | Homer | this is like the GTK+ app vs GNOME app debate |
| 19:35.26 | Homer | heh |
| 19:35.31 | pinotree | Homer: no |
| 19:35.33 | Sutoka | Homer: no |
| 19:35.36 | annma | it's not in the official release but it's a kde app |
| 19:35.41 | pinotree | that would be Qt vs kdelibs |
| 19:36.05 | Sho_ | icwiener: We've had that debate again and again ... the best consensus overall is that every application that leverages the KDE platform in the form of kdelibs is a KDE app ;) |
| 19:36.36 | icwiener | Sho_: I guess the german sttitude has problems to see it that way. ;) |
| 19:36.40 | icwiener | attitude* |
| 19:36.50 | Sho_ | icwiener: Well I am German and I do see it that way ;) |
| 19:37.04 | icwiener | :P |
| 19:37.38 | Homer | lets discuss something we all agree on |
| 19:37.38 | Homer | amoroK is awesome |
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| 19:37.38 | Sho_ | icwiener: mIRC for example is what I refer to as a Windows application, even if it's not supplied with Windows proper |
| 19:37.38 | mulander | Homer: agreed :) |
| 19:37.38 | icwiener | But it's fine with me, anyway... :) |
| 19:37.43 | annma | Amarok now, not amaroK |
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| 19:38.20 | Homer | Sho_: mIRC is only dependent on win32 api and winsock :p |
| 19:38.25 | Homer | no MFC etc |
| 19:38.30 | Pinaraf | Sutoka: you can call it ?maro? |
| 19:38.34 | icwiener | Sho_: I thought about that too, but in kde_i18n_de "KDE app" and "App for KDE" are two different things. |
| 19:38.34 | mulander | my problem with Kuroo is a little different, someone explained that polish installation of this app was due to my locale settings, but all applications I install, even console ones, or gtk apps - install with the english language as default, only Kuroo installed with the polish language. |
| 19:38.38 | Pinaraf | that way, you won't be wrong |
| 19:38.39 | Sho_ | Homer: And that makes it any less of a Windows application? ;) |
| 19:38.43 | mulander | I am wondering why that ever happened ? |
| 19:38.57 | Homer | well it's not using any "core Microsoft technologies" |
| 19:39.16 | Sutoka | Homer: Win32 IS a core MS technology |
| 19:39.25 | Sho_ | Homer: The Win32 API and Winsock are not Core Microsoft technologies?! |
| 19:39.45 | Sutoka | Homer: can't get too much more core than Win32 unless you develop directly to the Executive |
| 19:40.00 | Homer | it's so basic though |
| 19:40.11 | Homer | if you want anything more then like 5 widgets you need to use something else |
| 19:40.52 | Sutoka | anything you write on windows will use one of the primary APIs, and 99% of all the apps only use the Win32 API, or something written on top of that API |
| 19:41.02 | Sho_ | Homer: The qualification for "is a Windows application" is "was written for and runs on Windows" not "uses MFC" ;) |
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| 19:41.42 | Sutoka | islam_: spam is spam, please stop |
| 19:41.54 | Sutoka | icwiener: multiplatform |
| 19:42.06 | Sho_ | icwiener: A mistake? ;) |
| 19:42.13 | icwiener | lol |
| 19:42.39 | jaboua | mulander: Have you tried running the app with english locales now? |
| 19:42.55 | mulander | jaboua: I would prefer not to change the systems locale. |
| 19:43.08 | Sho_ | mulander: KDE_LANG=<lang> <app> |
| 19:44.01 | icwiener | Sho_: I built my fist deb for konversation today. Good for the first time => build process ran trough without errors... Bad anyway => package was about 30MB big. ;) |
| 19:44.11 | Sho_ | icwiener: o.O |
| 19:44.23 | icwiener | Sho_: So there will be a second try tomorrow, after a few hours of reading. :D |
| 19:44.32 | Sho_ | icwiener: Statically compiled in kdelibs and qt or something? ;) |
| 19:44.44 | annma | thanks pinotree |
| 19:44.50 | pinotree | annma: np |
| 19:45.09 | Sutoka | icwiener: did you statically include like half the distro??? |
| 19:45.14 | icwiener | Sho_: I guess I packaged several version (the tar.bz2, the unpacked archive with object files ant the actuel packege. :D |
| 19:45.42 | icwiener | Forgot to delete the unused stuff. |
| 19:45.46 | Sho_ | icwiener: I'm no Debian user, but don't they have a build-pkg tool or something that essentually turns tarballs into debs? |
| 19:46.11 | icwiener | Sho_: Only if it is a debian source archive. |
| 19:46.26 | icwiener | There mus tbe some control files and stuff too. |
| 19:46.42 | icwiener | Sho_: That is not existing in upstream tarball. |
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| 19:47.15 | jaboua | checkinstall is good too |
| 19:47.17 | icwiener | Sho_: Believe me. It's a hell of a fight to get into that stuff. ;) |
| 19:47.21 | jaboua | But iirc it doesn't support deps |
| 19:47.41 | Sho_ | icwiener: Considering I made the upstream tarball, I know ;) |
| 19:48.07 | icwiener | There are several tools to check integrity of debs |
| 19:48.19 | jaboua | checkinstall will let you compile as usual, just instead of running "make install" run "checkinstall" |
| 19:48.35 | icwiener | Sho_: I meant to create the deb. I do not know of the efforts t ipack the upstream tarball. :) |
| 19:49.10 | Sho_ | icwiener: I meant the lack of a debian/ subdir ;) |
| 19:49.22 | icwiener | Sho_: Ah. :) |
| 19:50.23 | jaboua | Well, I'll go eat something - catch you later |
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| 20:03.45 | BigSur | i've installed KDE 3.5.1 w/OpenSuse 10.1 & both Firefox & Thunderbird from the suse-update repos. |
| 20:03.45 | BigSur | both apps launch from command line when in KDE just fine. BUT, if i add the apps to the ToolBar, and click on the icon, the icon bounces for awhile, then simply stops. no errors. no executables. |
| 20:03.45 | BigSur | in Gnome, the apps launch fine, as well via icon-click. |
| 20:03.45 | BigSur | suggestions? |
| 20:05.31 | pinotree | "BUT, if i add the apps to the ToolBar, ..." |
| 20:05.36 | pinotree | erm, which toolbar? |
| 20:05.55 | annma | in kicker i think |
| 20:06.06 | annma | in the panel, BigSur ? |
| 20:06.08 | BigSur | pinotree: the toolbar across the bottom of the screem where one adds apps, applets, etc. |
| 20:06.21 | pinotree | yes, that's the paneò |
| 20:06.25 | pinotree | panel* |
| 20:06.32 | BigSur | sorry, not 'up' on all the widget names yet :-} |
| 20:06.47 | BigSur | (new to linux) |
| 20:06.54 | annma | how do you add the app in the panel, BigSur ? |
| 20:07.31 | BigSur | annma: right-click, select add app, nav to .../Internet/Firefox, select that ... |
| 20:07.46 | BigSur | the FF icon shows up in the Panel. |
| 20:07.52 | BigSur | that's the icon i click on |
| 20:09.48 | annma | hmm |
| 20:10.04 | annma | do you have a working program on the desktop? |
| 20:10.09 | annma | a working icon? |
| 20:10.28 | BigSur | annma: if you mean for Firefox? no, nothing on the desktop. |
| 20:10.40 | annma | for any program, BigSur |
| 20:10.49 | annma | to test the panel |
| 20:11.09 | annma | drag the icon of a working prog in the panel |
| 20:11.23 | annma | or drag one from the K menu |
| 20:11.52 | BigSur | annma: oh, yes. a number of apps that launch fine both from the desktop, and from the panel. |
| 20:11.52 | BigSur | i can add/launch just about every *other* app from the Panel without incident/problem (e.g., OpenOffice apps ...). |
| 20:12.13 | BigSur | it's *just* Firefox & thunderbird that have issues. |
| 20:12.14 | annma | so it's only FF? |
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| 20:12.29 | annma | and thunderbird? |
| 20:13.04 | StAnLeY^ | hello, does any one know why the latest version of kde still has problems displaying new files on the desktop when they are created ? |
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| 20:13.29 | annma | StAnLeY^: how to reproduce? tell me what to do |
| 20:13.37 | annma | i have kde compiled from kde svn |
| 20:13.48 | StAnLeY^ | annma: I mean kde 3.5 |
| 20:14.00 | BigSur | annma: yes. only FF & TB. |
| 20:14.05 | annma | yes but if it's a bug i can check |
| 20:14.12 | annma | BigSur: you should ask in #suse |
| 20:14.29 | StAnLeY^ | annma: well, in that particular occasion, I saved a file through skype on the desktop and it didn't appear there. It is seen in konuiq, though |
| 20:14.34 | BigSur | annma: i did, and was told to come here. |
| 20:14.39 | annma | BigSur: looks like something specific to suse, FF works well here from panel |
| 20:15.02 | annma | StAnLeY^: what if you create a file on your desktop? |
| 20:15.07 | annma | does it appear? |
| 20:15.31 | StAnLeY^ | annma: yep, together with the newly created file |
| 20:15.51 | annma | StAnLeY^: so it's only 1 file? did it happen before? |
| 20:15.57 | BigSur | annma: Thanks. |
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| 20:16.03 | annma | you sounded like it was a bug going on |
| 20:16.13 | StAnLeY^ | annma: yes, it happens randomly though :/ and Refresh desktop doesn't work |
| 20:16.28 | annma | randomly? |
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| 20:16.37 | annma | no permission problem on those files? |
| 20:17.02 | StAnLeY^ | annma: no, konqueror on ~/Desktop sees them perfectly and in rel time |
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| 20:17.15 | annma | StAnLeY^: distro? |
| 20:17.22 | DarkWizzard | hello all |
| 20:17.26 | StAnLeY^ | I first experienced this problem when I newly installed KDE on my laptop |
| 20:17.28 | StAnLeY^ | Gentoo |
| 20:17.59 | DarkWizzard | sometimes my system load increases very high and kde doesn't respond |
| 20:18.03 | annma | seems like a permission problem |
| 20:18.13 | DarkWizzard | it increases from easy tasks like running The Gimp |
| 20:18.19 | DarkWizzard | and I have to restart it |
| 20:18.22 | annma | gimp is not kde |
| 20:18.29 | DarkWizzard | because its just not responding |
| 20:18.31 | DarkWizzard | yeah I know |
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| 20:18.33 | DarkWizzard | so what ? |
| 20:18.37 | DarkWizzard | it should run under kde |
| 20:18.38 | annma | DarkWizzard: what distro? |
| 20:18.40 | StAnLeY^ | DarkWizzard: what kernel ? :) |
| 20:18.47 | DarkWizzard | Kubuntu 6.06 |
| 20:18.54 | DarkWizzard | 2.6.15.26 |
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| 20:18.59 | annma | you cannot imagine how many problems come from distro |
| 20:18.59 | DarkWizzard | kde 3.5.2 |
| 20:19.16 | DarkWizzard | I know |
| 20:19.24 | DarkWizzard | but it only does this recently |
| 20:19.34 | annma | did you look what process increase cpu? |
| 20:19.42 | DarkWizzard | couldn't |
| 20:19.46 | DarkWizzard | its not responding |
| 20:19.47 | annma | recently? what do you mean? |
| 20:20.00 | DarkWizzard | it started this few days ago |
| 20:20.01 | annma | it worked OK as it is now for some time? |
| 20:20.06 | Sutoka | the gimp isn't very light (especially when working with large images, or running the filters) |
| 20:20.06 | DarkWizzard | everything worked fine before that |
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| 20:20.25 | DarkWizzard | I thought it was a free space problem |
| 20:20.26 | annma | so whgat did you do? you updated something? |
| 20:20.35 | DarkWizzard | so I deleted some stuff |
| 20:20.43 | DarkWizzard | but the problem reamained |
| 20:20.47 | DarkWizzard | nothing big |
| 20:20.47 | annma | there's no "suddenly" in software |
| 20:20.50 | DarkWizzard | just libxfont1 |
| 20:20.50 | Sutoka | disk space on the system shouldn't change how fast the system is running really |
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| 20:20.54 | annma | try a new user maybe |
| 20:21.19 | StAnLeY^ | annma: btw, trying that under new user fixes the problem ;) |
| 20:21.51 | DarkWizzard | maybe it would |
| 20:21.59 | annma | StAnLeY^: i was about to write: and StAnLeY^ too |
| 20:22.18 | annma | but i thought that would makes me like "the new user maniac" |
| 20:22.24 | DarkWizzard | and when there is a high system load |
| 20:22.29 | DarkWizzard | some processes go defunct |
| 20:22.36 | DarkWizzard | like netstat did |
| 20:22.38 | DarkWizzard | and kdesktop |
| 20:23.19 | StAnLeY^ | annma: but the problem sometimes disappears and sometime (like now) it is always present |
| 20:23.38 | annma | with the new user it comes back? |
| 20:23.54 | StAnLeY^ | for example, now I do "touch ~/Desktop/blah" and the file isn't shown on the Desktop, but appears instantly in Konqueror |
| 20:24.42 | DarkWizzard | I hope the guys at kubuntu get the upgrade to the latest version fast |
| 20:24.46 | DarkWizzard | that would solve my problme |
| 20:24.49 | DarkWizzard | problem |
| 20:25.22 | annma | StAnLeY^: with the new user? |
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| 20:26.14 | StAnLeY^ | annma: no, I am talking about my default user |
| 20:26.27 | StAnLeY^ | like, *now* it doesn't doen't work correctly |
| 20:26.28 | annma | StAnLeY^: something is wrong in your settings |
| 20:26.34 | StAnLeY^ | okay :) |
| 20:26.39 | annma | but what? that's another thhing |
| 20:26.59 | annma | you'd have to backup your ~/.kde and reimport files little by little |
| 20:27.06 | StAnLeY^ | ah |
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| 20:28.14 | StAnLeY^ | is there a setting "don't show newly created file on the desktop until you relogin" ? :) |
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| 20:29.11 | annma | ;) |
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| 20:29.15 | annma | not really |
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| 20:29.42 | StAnLeY^ | annma: do you know what process/program draws icons on the desktop ? |
| 20:29.49 | annma | gotta go now, good luck on repairing your system |
| 20:29.54 | annma | hmm |
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| 20:31.05 | StAnLeY^ | kdesktop perhaps |
| 20:31.05 | annma | the icon is set in ~/Desktop |
| 20:31.18 | annma | what type of file is it? |
| 20:31.25 | annma | different files each time? |
| 20:31.27 | Sutoka | kdesktop |
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| 20:31.33 | StAnLeY^ | yes |
| 20:32.09 | annma | ok, i go now |
| 20:32.14 | annma | bye |
| 20:32.15 | StAnLeY^ | ok, have fun |
| 20:32.16 | StAnLeY^ | :) |
| 20:33.35 | StAnLeY^ | Sutoka: do you know how it polls for new files ? |
| 20:34.10 | Sutoka | StAnLeY^: not completely sure, but I believe it will use either fam or gamin as backends |
| 20:34.34 | StAnLeY^ | I don't have these, can't it be Inotify ? |
| 20:34.39 | Sutoka | StAnLeY^: fam and gamin will just poll for updates, but if gamin noticies your kernel supports inotify it will use that instead |
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| 20:35.20 | Sutoka | i don't think it will use inotify directly, only indirectly through gamin |
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| 20:35.48 | HugMySoul | Anyone hints on why sometimes I lose the keyboard in X (KDE) but a restart of KDE gives it back? |
| 20:35.59 | StAnLeY^ | aha |
| 20:36.10 | StAnLeY^ | maybe the fault is in gamin then :) |
| 20:36.23 | HugMySoul | It happened to me a few times last month, never had issues before... |
| 20:37.30 | mulander | hmm, I investigated my problem more, it seems that KDE and locale arent guilty of the problems with the char display. |
| 20:38.06 | mulander | the only application that has problems with it is Kuroo, kde when set to my language displays native chars correctly, other apps also - so is it possible that Kuroo is faulty? |
| 20:38.18 | Sutoka | HugMySoul: i had that happen to me a few times after I updated Xorg to 7.0, but after a few days it just never happened again |
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| 20:38.48 | Sutoka | mulander: its possible, but if you changed any options in KDE, you'll have to open kcontrol as root and set the options again there |
| 20:39.15 | mulander | why as root? |
| 20:39.34 | Sutoka | mulander: kuroo is ran as root, so uses root's configuration, not your own |
| 20:39.51 | mulander | hah! good point |
| 20:39.59 | HugMySoul | Sutoka: Mmm but I'm still using 6.8.2 here and didn't upgrade or something... |
| 20:40.02 | mulander | so it should ignore my users font configuration? |
| 20:40.10 | Sutoka | mulander: yep |
| 20:40.20 | mulander | Sutoka: and this is probably what I was fighting with :) |
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| 20:41.06 | mulander | the funny thing is that root isn't allowed to run kcontrol ;) |
| 20:41.45 | Sutoka | mulander: try 'kdesu kcontrol' |
| 20:42.02 | mulander | Sutoka: thx |
| 20:42.21 | HugMySoul | Ouch I just burned my finger on my HDD. |
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| 20:42.56 | Sutoka | HugMySoul: if you're burning your fingers on your HD, i would be worried about the HD |
| 20:43.19 | HugMySoul | Mwoah, it should handle 60 degrees. |
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| 20:46.30 | mulander | Sutoka: thanks and again thanks - This was exactly the problem. I didn't realize that kdesu reads the desired users configuration, thats why it was in a different language and with wrong fonts. |
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| 20:55.22 | letto | which kde package includes kget? |
| 20:56.25 | lgsobalvarro | kdenetwork, letto |
| 20:57.23 | mulander | question about the KDE menu, it has 3 seperators: 'most used applications', 'all applications' and 'actions' these separators have text in "grey" by default - in my current color scheme they are almost unreadable. Is it possible to change the foreground color for those separators in the menu? |
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| 21:01.07 | mulander | anyone has an idea how to change this foreground color for separators? |
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| 21:03.02 | schleichmich | mulander: I got the same issue, and could not solve it independently, i.e. without changing the colour theme where I don't want to change it. |
| 21:03.20 | mulander | schleichmich: so it is hardcoded? |
| 21:04.20 | schleichmich | I don't know the code. My guess is it uses some "colour role" defined in the scheme, there's just no dedicated "menu separator colour" |
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| 21:04.54 | mulander | schleichmich: thanks for the info, I didn't know if I'm blind again or that it's just not something that a user can set ;) |
| 21:04.57 | thiago | if I'm not mistaken, it's a button |
| 21:05.32 | rabauke | Hello! Could anyone point me to the bug report of kmix lately starting with an open window instead of just in tray when a KDE-session ist restored? |
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| 21:07.25 | schleichmich | mulander: regarding colour schemes: what I really miss is the possibility to set inactive windows' background colours different than actives' |
| 21:07.36 | schleichmich | to make the active window stand out more |
| 21:07.48 | schleichmich | like a poor man's shading effect |
| 21:08.12 | mulander | well what I really miss is a better cpu to have the true transparency effect ;) |
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| 21:08.31 | mulander | but I am still pleasently suprised by the performance of KDE on my PIII 600 |
| 21:08.51 | schleichmich | poor man's shading would work perfectly on that, believe me ;) |
| 21:08.55 | mulander | I can't tell the difference between fluxbox && KDE - although I didn't benchmark both. :P |
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| 21:11.40 | mulander | http://kewlnet.int.pl/~mulander/amarok.png <- almost done desktop ;) mostly thanks to the people from this channel :D |
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| 21:12.05 | thiago | rabauke: did you close the session with kmix open? |
| 21:12.46 | rabauke | thiago: no, and it worked before. SuSE updated to branch some days ago, since then it is broken. |
| 21:13.02 | rabauke | and that annoying low diskspace daemon... |
| 21:13.03 | benJIman | mulander: that's a mightly slow connection |
| 21:13.14 | Sutoka | or really big png... |
| 21:13.52 | benJIman | 1998 want their image loading times back |
| 21:14.54 | mulander | benJIman: yes I know - the server is in poland and has over 300 users I have no influence on that :( sorry. |
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| 21:23.30 | simon23 | Ardonik: still remember me ? the guy with that gkt font question ? |
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| 21:24.11 | simon23 | Ardonik: since i installed that package my Konqueror isnt able to display any text/html files! |
| 21:24.24 | Ardonik | Then uninstall it. I'm not sure what's going on. |
| 21:24.58 | simon23 | Ardonik: have you ever heard of such bug ? /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN9KLineEdit13focusOutEventEP11QFocusEvent |
| 21:25.25 | Ardonik | No. |
| 21:25.45 | simon23 | Ardonik: do you know if there is any chance to just reinstall the khtml module ? |
| 21:26.18 | thiago | simon23: that's not a bug |
| 21:26.40 | simon23 | thiago: what then ? you've heard of such behavior? |
| 21:27.02 | thiago | there's something wrong with your installation: probably messed up packages |
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| 21:27.09 | thiago | have you upgraded recently? |
| 21:27.35 | simon23 | not recently - have debian etch running since months. had no problems yet. |
| 21:27.45 | thiago | and this started out of the blue? |
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| 21:28.01 | simon23 | until i installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 21:28.13 | thiago | you messed up your packages somehow |
| 21:28.23 | thiago | probably khtml got upgraded in the process but not kdeui |
| 21:28.31 | thiago | try upgrading your kdelibs |
| 21:30.18 | simon23 | sorry - but how do i do that ? |
| 21:31.10 | thiago | well, how did you remove gtk2-engines-gtk-qt? |
| 21:31.37 | simon23 | apt-get remove --purge "gtk2..." |
| 21:32.02 | thiago | then use apt |
| 21:32.10 | simon23 | cant i just reinstall the KDElibs? |
| 21:32.28 | simon23 | but what are the kdelibs? |
| 21:33.00 | simon23 | do i have to type all of them (dont know which) on the commandline? |
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| 21:39.52 | birchoff | can soem one tell me where I can find a FAQ or HowTo on how to split up the applications in the different kde packages |
| 21:40.53 | jaboua | for which distro birchoff |
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| 21:45.42 | pinotree | birchoff: that depends on your distro... |
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| 21:53.44 | birchoff | using slackware... |
| 21:54.19 | birchoff | want to build the kde packages from scratch... but if I do I want to conly compile packages for the applications that I want |
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| 21:54.53 | muts | any Japanese people here ? |
| 21:55.54 | jaboua | muts: I know a few words, but far from enough to have a decent conversation... why? |
| 21:57.04 | thiago | simon23: have the packages been reinstalled? |
| 21:57.21 | simon23 | hello, i reinstalled kdelibs but my konqueror keeps crashing all the time doesnt work a bit. |
| 21:57.39 | muts | jaboua, i'm trying to get Japanese working on Kde |
| 21:57.45 | birchoff | jaboua: sorry for takng so long to respond, do you know ehre I can find info to compile all kde applications seperately |
| 21:58.17 | muts | jaboua, found scim, but a bit confised as to how to get it to work |
| 21:58.40 | simon23 | i did not remove the kdelibs - just installed them again. |
| 21:58.50 | Renze | muts: have you also installed skim, the kde front-end? |
| 21:59.01 | muts | Renze, yes, i have |
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| 21:59.16 | Renze | just checking - I've never used it, personally :D |
| 21:59.30 | muts | Renze, the thing is, i'm not sure what to do next ... |
| 21:59.45 | Renze | your guess is as good as mine |
| 21:59.58 | jaboua | birchoff: I read something somewhere.. .will try to treack it down again |
| 22:00.41 | jaboua | muts: I got to show japaneese characters before, I only needed to install some fonts - but I have no idea how to handle japaneese input |
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| 22:01.14 | muts | jaboua, right now, i'll settle for the fonts as well |
| 22:01.24 | muts | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.37 | Renze | muts: install the intlfonts package for your distro |
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| 22:01.53 | simon23 | thiago: could you maybe help me again ? how can i find out which kde lib contains libkhtml? |
| 22:02.59 | Desintegr | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/khtml/html/index.html ? |
| 22:03.42 | simon23 | Desintegr: hi - thanks, but i cant open that link :-/ |
| 22:03.42 | thiago | simon23: libkhtml is a KDE lib |
| 22:03.47 | thiago | simon23: it's part of kdelibs. |
| 22:04.32 | canllaith | hi rr73 |
| 22:04.37 | simon23 | well - i alreade used apt to reinstall kdelibs and apt told me he did so. is there anything else that i could try to fix it ? |
| 22:04.40 | |caotic| | simon23: 'dpkg -S libkhtml' on debian |
| 22:06.23 | birchoff | jaboua, thanks |
| 22:07.10 | |caotic| | simon23: try to reinstall package kdelibs4c2a |
| 22:07.33 | jaboua | birchoff: Here are some PKGBUILDS, needed to make archlinux packages - they are readable as they are mostly bash: http://funkyou.hinterhof-hosting.de/arch/kde-mod/pkgbuilds/kde-mod-pkgbuilds.tar.gz |
| 22:07.38 | jaboua | This seems relevant: |
| 22:07.44 | jaboua | export DO_NOT_COMPILE="kdict kget kopete kpf kppp ksirc wifi knewsticker" |
| 22:08.38 | simon23 | caotic: thanks, he told me that besides kdelibs4c2a even the konqueror and konq-plugins ... use that... |
| 22:10.42 | simon23 | now i (as a newbie) see no other way than reinstall konqueror and if that doesnt work either reinstall the whole KDE :-( that would be the ....worst day for tomorrow. |
| 22:10.56 | simon23 | but a big thanks for your help ! |
| 22:10.58 | rr73 | a little late canllaith? :P |
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| 22:12.27 | canllaith | it's GMT+12 here I was asleep :) |
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| 22:13.10 | pinotree | canllaith: breakfast at 11am? |
| 22:13.55 | eae | hey does anybody know how to hide the bottom bar in kmplayer? |
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| 22:14.20 | jaboua | hmm |
| 22:14.22 | jaboua | I've done it |
| 22:14.35 | eae | I've doe it in a previous version |
| 22:14.37 | jaboua | I'll see if I can find out what I did xD |
| 22:14.40 | eae | set to autohide |
| 22:14.43 | jaboua | oh |
| 22:14.43 | jaboua | btw |
| 22:14.45 | pinotree | eae: iirc there should be a settings in the preferences |
| 22:14.48 | eae | now I can't do it anymore |
| 22:14.51 | jaboua | This is kplayer, not kmplayer sorry |
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| 22:15.30 | eae | I looked in the settings menu but can't find it :( |
| 22:15.49 | canllaith | pinotree: it's 10am, and it's sunday so we slept in :) |
| 22:16.03 | pinotree | oh indeed |
| 22:16.21 | pinotree | have a good breakfast then, canllaith |
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| 22:23.38 | raven79 | hi all |
| 22:23.41 | raven79 | i need support |
| 22:23.52 | raven79 | i cannot setup my locale... |
| 22:23.57 | GraveDigger | why? |
| 22:24.18 | raven79 | into kde control center i cannot setup my language even if i compiled kde-i18n |
| 22:24.26 | raven79 | with my language |
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| 22:24.38 | raven79 | suggestions? |
| 22:24.49 | GraveDigger | restart kde |
| 22:24.58 | raven79 | already done... |
| 22:25.04 | raven79 | more and more |
| 22:25.08 | raven79 | nothing |
| 22:25.17 | raven79 | more and more times |
| 22:25.19 | raven79 | * |
| 22:25.23 | GraveDigger | :( |
| 22:25.46 | raven79 | at least it is not like windows! :D |
| 22:26.05 | raven79 | some other ideas? |
| 22:26.39 | raven79 | GraveDigger: wicht kind of distro are you using? |
| 22:27.14 | raven79 | what kind* |
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| 22:28.14 | GraveDigger | raven79: gentoo linux |
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| 22:28.46 | raven79 | me too :D |
| 22:28.54 | GraveDigger | well... |
| 22:29.06 | raven79 | where you able to setup your locale? |
| 22:29.19 | GraveDigger | echo 'LINGUAS="de"' >> /etc/make.conf; emerge kde-i18n |
| 22:29.23 | GraveDigger | ^^ this did the job for me |
| 22:29.40 | raven79 | infact it should work |
| 22:29.42 | GraveDigger | after that setting up the language ... and i was done |
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| 22:30.19 | hiiiii | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.22 | hiiiii | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.23 | hiiiii | | \\ @ |
| 22:30.25 | hiiiii | [`-()----()-'/\ LILO |
| 22:30.25 | DDB | hiiiii: error file: karma.py linenr: 137 msg: string index out of range |
| 22:30.27 | hiiiii | lilo was killed when he defended the pizza delivery boy who was about to be robbed |
| 22:30.54 | giangy | hiiiii: shut up.. |
| 22:30.54 | giangy | .... |
| 22:30.54 | raven79 | GraveDigger: infact... |
| 22:31.07 | raven79 | GraveDigger: it should work... |
| 22:31.21 | raven79 | GraveDigger: what kde version are you using? |
| 22:31.33 | raven79 | i'm using kde-3.5.4 |
| 22:32.06 | GraveDigger | whoa |
| 22:32.06 | GraveDigger | WHAT A DUMBASS |
| 22:32.06 | GraveDigger | >:( |
| 22:32.12 | raven79 | dumbass? |
| 22:32.20 | raven79 | sorry my english :) |
| 22:32.33 | GraveDigger | raven79: that hiiiii guy ... an asshole |
| 22:32.35 | GraveDigger | :( |
| 22:32.58 | GraveDigger | raven79: anyways: i am using kde-3.5.4 |
| 22:33.17 | raven79 | i thought gentoo users alway try installing something special ;) |
| 22:34.07 | raven79 | i'm sorry but i'm not sure to understand you... |
| 22:34.43 | raven79 | anyway i understand "ass hole" ....even if i don't understad because you should be unpolite.... |
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| 22:36.22 | raven79 | GraveDigger: sorry could you post me this: equery l kde-base/ |
| 22:36.26 | raven79 | GraveDigger: thanks |
| 22:36.42 | GraveDigger | raven79: not right nor, sorry |
| 22:36.52 | GraveDigger | i need to boot gentoo before |
| 22:36.57 | raven79 | GraveDigger: now i understand...aboud hiii... |
| 22:37.02 | raven79 | GraveDigger: sorry! |
| 22:37.08 | GraveDigger | no problem, dude |
| 22:37.15 | GraveDigger | i just cannot show u |
| 22:37.20 | raven79 | GraveDigger: no problem....i will wait... |
| 22:38.10 | GraveDigger | erm... wait for what? i am not about to boot gentoo right now |
| 22:39.16 | raven79 | someother people can help me, please? |
| 22:40.39 | thiago | setting the locale? |
| 22:40.46 | raven79 | yes |
| 22:40.57 | raven79 | or better giving me some suggestion |
| 22:41.00 | raven79 | about kde |
| 22:41.04 | raven79 | with locale |
| 22:41.08 | thiago | KDE Control Centre, Regional & Accessibility, Country/Region & Language |
| 22:41.18 | raven79 | i cannot setup my language into kde control center |
| 22:41.23 | raven79 | i know |
| 22:41.34 | thiago | why can't you? |
| 22:41.38 | raven79 | but i cannot set my language up there |
| 22:41.43 | raven79 | i don't know |
| 22:41.45 | thiago | why? |
| 22:41.47 | thiago | does it show up? |
| 22:41.55 | raven79 | there i can only see "english US" |
| 22:41.58 | raven79 | as language |
| 22:42.05 | thiago | then there are no other languages installed |
| 22:42.11 | raven79 | even if i installed kde-i18n with my language |
| 22:42.22 | thiago | the installation didn't go correctly |
| 22:42.25 | raven79 | this should be strange... |
| 22:42.34 | raven79 | can you suggest me some test |
| 22:42.41 | raven79 | to verify installation? |
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| 22:42.49 | raven79 | and how to correct it? |
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| 22:43.23 | thiago | did you get the tarball from a KDE FTP site? |
| 22:43.45 | raven79 | no i'm a gentoo user. i must compile from sources |
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| 22:43.49 | junky-San | hey, i can't switch resolutions with strg+alt+(+/-). where can i set this up? |
| 22:43.54 | thiago | raven79: that's not answering my question |
| 22:44.06 | raven79 | yes. |
| 22:44.07 | benJIman | junky-San: use whatever tools your distro have for configuring X |
| 22:44.11 | thiago | raven79: does that mean that the tarball from the KDE FTP site was downloaded and compiled without modification? |
| 22:44.27 | raven79 | as always... |
| 22:44.29 | junky-San | benJIman: is this a Xorg.conf setting? |
| 22:44.37 | benJIman | junky-San: yes |
| 22:44.43 | thiago | raven79: ok, then go back to the build dir, make sure configure was run with --prefix set correctly and make install again |
| 22:44.58 | thiago | raven79: in the messages subdir, at least |
| 22:45.03 | benJIman | junky-San: many distros will have tools that will configure it for you though |
| 22:45.25 | junky-San | mh, i think i'm able to config it by hand |
| 22:45.43 | raven79 | this is difficult as emerge (installing tool of gentoo) automatically donwload,patch,configure,compile,test,install,remove sources |
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| 22:45.55 | junky-San | but i don't think it's a Xorg problem. i have set up multiple resolutions in the xorg.conf, and in fluxbox the resolution switching works |
| 22:46.00 | thiago | raven79: then get the source from the KDE FTP site and do it manually |
| 22:46.04 | thiago | raven79: or get Gentoo help |
| 22:46.05 | raven79 | so now i don't has a dir... |
| 22:46.11 | junky-San | i can also change the res through kde control center |
| 22:46.16 | raven79 | ok |
| 22:46.20 | benJIman | junky-San: that's for changing configured reses |
| 22:46.20 | raven79 | thanks for help |
| 22:46.30 | benJIman | if you mean kcontrol -> peripherals -> display |
| 22:46.38 | raven79 | some suggestion on how to test if compilation goes wrong? |
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| 22:46.59 | raven79 | some commands i don't know...something? |
| 22:47.12 | thiago | raven79: since there is no source code there (just .po files), the most that can happen is it getting installed to the wrong dir |
| 22:47.33 | junky-San | my menu is german. when you click on the desktop with the right mouse button, than on configure workplace and than go to display i can change the resolution |
| 22:47.35 | raven79 | ok so i should control .po files? |
| 22:47.54 | raven79 | after configure? (i can stop "installation" pthase) |
| 22:47.59 | raven79 | ctrl+z |
| 22:48.02 | thiago | raven79: hold on |
| 22:48.04 | raven79 | or ctrl+c |
| 22:48.29 | benJIman | control-z will only pause |
| 22:48.30 | junky-San | raven79: use ebuild |
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| 22:48.41 | raven79 | benJIman: :D thanks for suggestion! |
| 22:48.51 | junky-San | "ebuild package.ebuild unpack && ebuild package.ebuild compile" |
| 22:48.56 | raven79 | junky-San: already done! |
| 22:49.10 | raven79 | ah junky-San thanks! |
| 22:49.44 | junky-San | no problem |
| 22:50.01 | raven79 | junky-San: those are command to execute all "operation" by my hand? (separately)? |
| 22:50.07 | junky-San | yes |
| 22:50.09 | junky-San | man ebuild |
| 22:50.34 | junky-San | it's useful in some cases |
| 22:50.55 | raven79 | i suppose that instead of package.ebuild i should for example put something like =kde-base/kde-i18n-3.5.4-r1. Is it right? |
| 22:51.09 | raven79 | sorry |
| 22:51.13 | junky-San | mh no |
| 22:51.17 | raven79 | =kde-base/kde-i18n-3.5.4-r1.ebuild |
| 22:51.19 | junky-San | the path to the ebuild |
| 22:51.25 | junky-San | but wait a minute, are you german? |
| 22:51.26 | raven79 | ....mmm ok |
| 22:51.32 | raven79 | no sorry |
| 22:51.34 | raven79 | italian |
| 22:51.43 | junky-San | have you set the LINGUAS option in make.conf? |
| 22:51.43 | thiago | raven79: check if $KDEDIR/share/locale/your-lang/entry.desktop exists |
| 22:51.44 | raven79 | thanks anyway...i will try |
| 22:52.01 | raven79 | thiago this is new thanks! |
| 22:52.07 | raven79 | LINGUAS="it" |
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| 22:52.22 | junky-San | what does "emerge -av kde-i18n" say? |
| 22:52.35 | raven79 | $ cat $KDEDIR/share/locale/your-lang/entry.desktop |
| 22:52.35 | raven79 | cat: /share/locale/your-lang/entry.desktop: No such file or directory |
| 22:52.50 | raven79 | # emerge -pv kde-i18n |
| 22:52.50 | raven79 | These are the packages that would be merged, in order: |
| 22:52.50 | raven79 | Calculating dependencies... done! |
| 22:52.51 | raven79 | [ebuild R ] kde-base/kde-i18n-3.5.4-r1 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" LINGUAS="en_GB* it -af -ar -az -bg -bn -br -bs -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -eo -es -et -eu -fa -fi -fr -fy -ga -gl -he -hi -hr -hu -is -ja -kk -km -ko -lt -lv -mk -mn -ms -nb -nds -nl -nn -pa -pl -pt -pt_BR -ro -ru -rw -se -sk -sl -sr -sr@Latn -ss -sv -ta -tg -tr -uk -uz -vi -zh_CN -zh_TW" 18,874 kB |
| 22:52.51 | thiago | raven79: obviously, "your-lang" should be replaced with your language |
| 22:52.58 | thiago | raven79: and $KDEDIR with the KDE prefix |
| 22:52.59 | raven79 | some lines sorry |
| 22:53.03 | thiago | and please don't flood |
| 22:53.15 | junky-San | why is there en_GB in your linguas? |
| 22:53.28 | junky-San | what does 'locale" say? pls nopaste |
| 22:53.31 | raven79 | ops an old setup junky-San |
| 22:53.51 | raven79 | of sure |
| 22:53.53 | thiago | junky-San: locale, LINGUAS, LANG have nothing to do with KDE locale |
| 22:54.21 | junky-San | thiago: but gentoo handles it during installation |
| 22:54.22 | raven79 | thiago i did not understand you tip.... |
| 22:54.41 | raven79 | i must set up $KDEDIR? |
| 22:54.51 | raven79 | and that's all? |
| 22:54.54 | thiago | raven79: no, you just replace it with the prefix of your KDE installation |
| 22:55.00 | junky-San | raven79: type 'locale' in console and paste the results of LANG and LC_ALL |
| 22:55.02 | raven79 | oh ok |
| 22:55.17 | thiago | junky-San: it's completely orthogonal to the problem at hand |
| 22:55.24 | raven79 | ok please wait both you ;) thanks |
| 22:55.27 | thiago | junky-San: KDE applications do not use LANG or LC_ALL for the language |
| 22:56.56 | junky-San | thiago: i wonder where the en_GB in his lingua comes from |
| 22:57.28 | thiago | junky-San: is it just curiosity that you want to know that for? |
| 22:57.30 | raven79 | declare -x KDEDIRS="/usr" |
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| 22:57.58 | thiago | raven79: just type "/usr/share/locale/..." |
| 22:58.08 | junky-San | thiago: no, it's to find out why he can't set up the language in kde |
| 22:58.09 | raven79 | kdedirs is already setted up...but with gentoo there is another way to show it....i forget it former |
| 22:58.25 | thiago | junky-San: he can't set the language up because there's no entry.desktop |
| 22:58.26 | Renze | raven79: kde-config --prefix |
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| 22:58.48 | junky-San | radi0head: echo $KDEDIRS |
| 22:58.53 | raven79 | thiago: http://monoport.com/1358 |
| 22:59.14 | junky-San | sry radi0head, this was for raven79 |
| 22:59.15 | raven79 | $ echo $KDEDIRS |
| 22:59.15 | raven79 | /usr |
| 22:59.17 | thiago | raven79: does the entry.desktop exist for the language that you want to set up? |
| 23:00.20 | raven79 | thiago if it is the previously ask file...no...but i don't know neither where it should be located neither how i can create it...can you help me, please? |
| 23:00.45 | thiago | raven79: I've just told you it should be located in $KDEDIR/share/locale/your-language |
| 23:00.53 | thiago | raven79: what language is it anyways that you want to configure? |
| 23:01.05 | raven79 | junky-San: my locale ;) http://monoport.com/1359 |
| 23:01.18 | raven79 | italian |
| 23:01.23 | Renze | raven79: ls /usr/kde/3.5/share/locale/it/ |
| 23:01.28 | raven79 | oh ok |
| 23:01.42 | thiago | raven79: ok, so, does entry.desktop exist there? |
| 23:02.41 | raven79 | please wait....a mistake...i don't get KDEDIR i has KDEDIRS |
| 23:03.00 | raven79 | ls /usr/share/locale/it |
| 23:03.00 | raven79 | LC_MESSAGES/ LC_TIME/ |
| 23:03.06 | thiago | dude, $KDEDIRS is just my way of telling you "replace this with the prefix where KDE is installed" |
| 23:03.10 | thiago | where is KDE installed? |
| 23:03.15 | benJIman | `kde-config --prefix` |
| 23:03.17 | Renze | raven79: you're looking at the wrong directory |
| 23:03.30 | raven79 | thiago: /usr |
| 23:03.41 | Renze | raven79: gentoo installs kde in /usr/kde/3.5/ |
| 23:03.45 | thiago | is that what kde-config --prefix say? |
| 23:03.54 | raven79 | oh thanks Renze |
| 23:04.16 | raven79 | $ ls /usr/kde/3.5/share/locale/it/ |
| 23:04.16 | raven79 | LC_MESSAGES/ |
| 23:04.22 | raven79 | is it right? |
| 23:04.24 | Renze | newbies should not use gentoo, imo |
| 23:04.29 | thiago | raven79: your installation of kde-i18n-it didn't work |
| 23:04.30 | raven79 | :D |
| 23:04.33 | thiago | raven79: go back and fix it |
| 23:04.45 | raven79 | I'm using gentoo since 4 years ;) |
| 23:04.56 | junky-San | raven79: just edit make.conf and be sure the line LINGUAS="it" exists. than "emerge -N kde-i18n" and restart your display |
| 23:04.56 | raven79 | thiago: how? |
| 23:05.06 | Renze | raven79: and you've learned so little over that time? |
| 23:05.09 | raven79 | junky-San: already done. |
| 23:05.24 | junky-San | but why is there en_GB in your linguas? |
| 23:05.27 | raven79 | Renze: :) |
| 23:05.36 | thiago | raven79: you're the one using Gentoo, you find that out :-) |
| 23:05.43 | raven79 | Renze: no, i'm simply stupid. |
| 23:05.52 | raven79 | thiago: thanks |
| 23:05.53 | thiago | raven79: take a listing of the package that you've just installed. Does it include an entry.desktop file? |
| 23:06.16 | raven79 | thiago: this religion battle are really usefull at all GNU/Linux user! |
| 23:06.51 | Renze | raven79: distros do things in different ways... you can't expect everyone to know the way gentoo does things |
| 23:06.52 | raven79 | thiago: if you consider your user stupid only stupid will you your apps. |
| 23:06.58 | thiago | raven79: what religion battle? |
| 23:07.20 | thiago | raven79: I have no idea how Gentoo works, so you're the one who must find that out. I don't use Gentoo. |
| 23:07.30 | thiago | raven79: now, can you get a listing of the files that you've just installed or not? |
| 23:07.36 | raven79 | Renze: i don't expect this infact...but a polite discussion and not: solve the problem by your self! |
| 23:07.51 | raven79 | thiago: yes ok...greate |
| 23:07.57 | raven79 | thiago: well done.... |
| 23:08.01 | Renze | raven79: you're still expecting people to know how your distro works even if they don't use it. that is unreasonable. |
| 23:08.18 | raven79 | Renze: i don't said that |
| 23:08.31 | pinotree | and moreover, that is not a distro channel |
| 23:08.38 | raven79 | Renze: i'm simply asking an help (in a polite way...i think) |
| 23:08.41 | junky-San | raven79: 'equery list entry.desktop |grep i18n' |
| 23:08.45 | raven79 | Renze: is this wrong? |
| 23:08.49 | pinotree | if you have problems with the distro, there's #gentoo |
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| 23:08.54 | raven79 | thanks junky-San |
| 23:08.55 | thiago | right, I'd say this is now a problem for Gentoo to solve |
| 23:08.56 | pinotree | or #gentoo-kde, too |
| 23:09.06 | thiago | we've just established that whatever you did, did not install correctly |
| 23:09.07 | Renze | raven79: it is when you expect people to know distribution specific things in a distribution agnostic channel |
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| 23:09.57 | raven79 | Renze: i don't expect me neither that education...answering like you, junky-San, pinotree and a lot of other are doing... |
| 23:10.07 | raven79 | Renze: where is the problem? :D |
| 23:10.17 | raven79 | Renze: i'm quiete... |
| 23:10.22 | raven79 | ;) |
| 23:10.27 | Renze | raven79: that's why channels like #gentoo and #gentoo-kde exist |
| 23:10.41 | pinotree | ... to solve distro-specific issues |
| 23:10.41 | raven79 | Renze: i understand... |
| 23:11.06 | raven79 | can i stay here to speak with who will want to suggest me something other? |
| 23:11.18 | raven79 | like junky-San has done...for example? |
| 23:11.25 | raven79 | !* |
| 23:11.31 | thiago | sure you can stay here |
| 23:11.32 | pinotree | you can stay here as you want |
| 23:11.42 | raven79 | thanks all |
| 23:11.43 | pinotree | but you have to be on-topic |
| 23:11.51 | Renze | just don't expect everyone to know the inner workings of your distro |
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| 23:11.55 | pinotree | just like any other irc room |
| 23:12.29 | raven79 | pinotree: i'm not speaking and answering you...this discussion is out of topic....i think |
| 23:12.41 | raven79 | fixed? |
| 23:12.44 | raven79 | ok |
| 23:12.49 | raven79 | thanks at all |
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| 23:23.51 | raven79 | thanks all for suggestion. bye |
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| 23:25.42 | pinotree | LOL |
| 23:26.04 | pinotree | a member of the gnome usability team (or sort of) |
| 23:26.08 | Homer | can you download all the links on a website via konq? |
| 23:26.22 | pinotree | Homer: sure, use the kget konqueror plugin |
| 23:26.23 | qupada | pinotree: hah, now there's an oxymoron for ya |
| 23:26.38 | straw | hello pinotree :) |
| 23:26.45 | pinotree | moin straw |
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| 23:27.05 | pinotree | Homer: activate it via settings ->configure extensions |
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| 23:27.28 | pinotree | Homer: the kget icon will appear in your konqueror toolbar |
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| 23:27.31 | pinotree | ~root |
| 23:27.33 | apt | i guess root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
| 23:27.36 | pinotree | _root: ^^ |
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| 23:29.41 | BigSur | hi. when i login remotely to my suse/kde box via vnc, all's working well. |
| 23:29.41 | BigSur | but, the box's 'usual' kde startup sound plays *on* the box at each remote login. other than disabling the startup sound altogether, how do i disable its playing for JUST remote logins? |
| 23:31.19 | Homer | ok |
| 23:35.29 | Homer | pinotree: how do I use kget? :P |
| 23:35.51 | pinotree | Homer: do you have its button in your konqueror toolbar? |
| 23:37.11 | Homer | nope |
| 23:37.31 | pinotree | :-| |
| 23:37.54 | Homer | found it in the menubar tho |
| 23:37.59 | Homer | lets see if it works |
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| 23:52.16 | rr73 | is anyone else freaked out about that noone is behind the clien conneced from lilo? |
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| 23:56.20 | MinceR | i'm pretty hard to freak out |
| 23:58.30 | tech9iner | lol |
