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| 00:03.19 | thermoman | pinotree: 2-people im-like but a gui app |
| 00:03.27 | thermoman | it's for non-technicans :) |
| 00:04.11 | pinotree | ah, then no idea |
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| 00:43.29 | lunitik | If someone states a nickname that is on your ignore list... that should also be ignored imo... |
| 00:44.03 | Renze | what if it's an op asking "do you want <blank> kicked?" :) |
| 00:44.30 | lunitik | Renze: If they're on my ignore list, I'm a bad person to give advise on that subject ;) |
| 00:45.25 | schrankwand | gn8 |
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| 00:45.40 | lunitik | !gn8 |
| 00:45.45 | lunitik | ~gn8 |
| 00:46.00 | lunitik | ~thx |
| 00:46.02 | apt | np |
| 00:46.08 | lunitik | stupid bot :( |
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| 01:03.25 | supernix | Hiya gang |
| 01:03.40 | supernix | Does anyone know the best way to deal with spam on mail |
| 01:03.41 | supernix | ? |
| 01:04.07 | Tomasu | k3b seems to be erroring out with some error about O_EXCL, it didnt have this problem a week ago, and the parts of the machine that would matter havent changed. |
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| 01:06.18 | XVampireX | supernix: don't look in spam folder |
| 01:06.51 | XVampireX | supernix: otherwise setup some anti-spam things that go through your email before fetching them from an email client |
| 01:06.56 | XVampireX | I forgot their names |
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| 01:09.57 | genioreal | i got a messege that says KLauncher could not be reached via DCOP how can i solve it? |
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| 01:14.32 | supernix | Ok thanks XVampireX but what do you setup ? |
| 01:14.34 | supernix | I have bogofilter |
| 01:14.46 | supernix | But what about spamassasin is it still a good thing to use ? |
| 01:15.14 | XVampireX | Yeah, heard it's good that's what I was talking about |
| 01:15.34 | supernix | I can't recall how you use it since it has been so long |
| 01:15.47 | supernix | Do you just install spamassassin ? |
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| 01:16.35 | XVampireX | I don't install you asked me I answered you, I even told you I don't use it |
| 01:16.56 | supernix | what do you use XVampireX ? |
| 01:17.04 | XVampireX | nothing |
| 01:18.09 | supernix | hmm not sure how you manage your spam levels without just avoiding email |
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| 01:23.52 | XVampireX | gmail is your friend |
| 01:25.22 | Ash-Fox | Can't use gmail on your own domains. |
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| 01:31.21 | supernix | gmail is webmail |
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| 01:36.31 | iostream | hi =) |
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| 01:38.31 | iostream | is it possible to configure konqi to show full paths in the window title and in back/forward ? |
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| 01:43.41 | Hokinon | bedtime |
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| 01:50.49 | Admiral_Chicago | I updated to 3.5.4 and now my fonts are looking strange |
| 01:51.29 | iostream | Admiral_Chicago, go to control center, disable antialiasin, apply, enable antialiasing, apply, restart kde |
| 01:52.02 | Admiral_Chicago | i'm on kubuntu dapper btw |
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| 01:52.17 | spiderworm | is it simple to make a screensaver for kde? |
| 01:52.33 | Admiral_Chicago | spiderworm, I tried once, but couldn't find a walk through |
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| 01:53.06 | Admiral_Chicago | okay let me restart KDE |
| 01:53.08 | spiderworm | or is there some way to take a blender game, for example, and play it as a screensaver? |
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| 01:54.24 | Admiral_Chicago | iostream, that worked |
| 01:54.26 | Admiral_Chicago | thanks |
| 01:54.32 | iostream | Admiral_Chicago, np =) |
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| 02:00.02 | excitatory | well, this is a kubuntu question.. but i think the answer lies more in kde.. and unfortunately everyone is an idiot in #kubuntu right now. So please excuse this question.. |
| 02:00.45 | excitatory | so, you know how kubuntu has customized konqueror profiles? well, they were missing a feature i desired, and so i followed this: ( http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror ) which restores the original profiles back..which then fixed my problem, but now i have real trouble: any time a kio-slave, kicker quick browser icon, or anything that wants to open a new konqueror window tries to do this, nothing happens. a window does not open. i |
| 02:00.45 | excitatory | anually, but software does not seem to be able to. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 02:02.07 | Renze | never used kubuntu, not familiar with their breakage, can't help you |
| 02:06.50 | iostream | *g* can I configure kwin to always open a window on the desktop the cursor is on ? |
| 02:06.59 | iostream | s/desktop/display/ |
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| 02:09.06 | excitatory | Renze: well, ok, but do you have any leads on what might cause this? or perhaps, could you lend a direction to start looking into, docs to read, things i could test and/or troubleshoot? |
| 02:09.24 | excitatory | honestly, i'm lost. idk why nothing will open. |
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| 02:09.49 | iostream | excitatory, messed up|missing .desktop files most likely |
| 02:11.23 | Renze | excitatory: sorry... no idea. never experienced such a problem, or even heard of such a problem occurring |
| 02:12.21 | excitatory | iostream: hrm.. any further suggestions? |
| 02:14.55 | iostream | excitatory, reinstall kde packages, try overwriting _your users_ default konqueror.rc instead of the system wide ,.. |
| 02:15.22 | excitatory | iostream: ok, thank you :D |
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| 02:17.59 | iostream | Lowtec - In Fail We Trust# |
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| 03:06.02 | hardbop200 | gah! I just installed kde 3.5 on debian testing, and the fonts look *horrible*...are there any known issues/fixes I should look for? (using nvidia driver, things looked fine in flux) |
| 03:06.31 | hardbop200 | by "horrible" I mean fuzzy, not crisp |
| 03:07.18 | Renze | hardbop200: try different antialiasing settings in control centre -> appearance & themes -> fonts |
| 03:07.50 | hardbop200 | Renze: I'll do that now...anything I should look for in particular? |
| 03:08.01 | Renze | it's personal preference |
| 03:08.14 | Renze | and it depends on the type of display you have |
| 03:08.36 | hardbop200 | I see subpixel hinting, but I don't know what that is. can I hurt my monitor my changing those settings? |
| 03:08.41 | hardbop200 | (playing with them) |
| 03:08.51 | Renze | subpixel hinting is only useful on an LCD display |
| 03:08.59 | Renze | no, you can't harm your monitor |
| 03:09.00 | hardbop200 | which is what I have :) |
| 03:09.10 | iostream | hardbop200, the config file gets borked between kde 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 .... just disable antialisasing, enable it again and restart kde ... |
| 03:09.24 | Renze | try one of the RGB schemes... it depends on the orientation of the colours on your screen |
| 03:09.33 | hardbop200 | iostream: will do |
| 03:09.36 | Renze | iostream: not on all distros |
| 03:09.43 | hardbop200 | Renze: thanks for the tips |
| 03:09.48 | Renze | iostream: there were no problems for me on gentoo |
| 03:10.13 | iostream | rellis, well, so far slackware, kubuntu, debian and redhat |
| 03:10.36 | hardbop200 | all - thank you for the tips, I appreciate it :) off to restart kde and see what happens, I'll report back |
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| 03:11.00 | Renze | iostream: yep... all of them binary distros :D |
| 03:13.03 | straw | does anyone else get some weird behavior when viewing the screenshots at http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39085 ? |
| 03:13.13 | straw | with konq, that is |
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| 03:14.09 | iostream | straw, nothing weird as far as i can tell .. |
| 03:14.37 | straw | seems like if the preview window is just the right size, it "wiggles" |
| 03:15.08 | iostream | straw, you mean the scrollbar ? |
| 03:15.15 | straw | yeah |
| 03:15.41 | QMario | Which channel on Freenode has the most flame wars? |
| 03:15.44 | iostream | straw, I can remember that one ... but I haven't hit it for a while ... maybe it's gone in 3.5.4 |
| 03:15.58 | straw | hm, hope so |
| 03:16.40 | Tomasu | I'm getting some strange errors from k3b: |
| 03:16.40 | Tomasu | Executing 'builtin_dd if=/dev/fd/0 of=/dev/hdc obs=32k seek=0' |
| 03:16.40 | Tomasu | :-( unable to O_EXCL /dev/hdc: someone was in time to remount? |
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| 03:20.44 | mhall | Hello I am having a VERY FRUSTRATING problem with KDE freezing up at the second step in its splashscreen and I've tried it all: deleting every single configuration file as well as totally torching KDE. I have version 3.5.4. What else can I try to figure out why in the hell this keeps happening? It's very frustrating. |
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| 03:21.26 | iostream | mhall, sounds like your using having an nvidia card with proprietary driver running ? |
| 03:21.51 | iostream | mhall, either that or the permissions for your sockets were borked ... |
| 03:22.41 | mhall | iostream: yeah i blew away /tmp |
| 03:22.52 | mhall | iostream: and .mcop, .qt, .kde* |
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| 03:23.56 | iostream | now thats something new .... rm -rf complaining that the directory is not empty ='( *cries out loud in disgust* |
| 03:24.28 | iostream | mhall, you 'blew away' /tmp or just it's contents ? |
| 03:26.00 | mhall | iostream: the shit inside |
| 03:26.10 | mhall | iostream: unalias rm on your box? |
| 03:27.34 | iostream | mhall,rm isn't aliased here ... |
| 03:27.54 | iostream | mhall, what does the X log say ? |
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| 03:28.03 | iostream | what does the tty output say ? |
| 03:28.35 | Tomasu | anyone have any idea what might be wrong with my version (latest I believe) of k3b? It was working last week just fine the last time I used it. |
| 03:28.48 | iostream | mhall, eventually you have missed /tmp/:ICE-unix, /tmp/.* |
| 03:29.08 | iostream | * .ICE-unix |
| 03:30.33 | mhall | iostream: i just went after the dotfiles |
| 03:30.48 | mhall | iostream: and i'm blowing away KDE _and_ Qt instead of just KDE |
| 03:31.07 | iostream | mhall, you seem to like loosing data ? |
| 03:31.09 | iostream | =P |
| 03:31.48 | mhall | iostream: dude you have no idea how much data-related bullshit i've suffered lately |
| 03:32.05 | mhall | iostream: btw i appreciate the nickname esp. since my irc client appends <> to it |
| 03:32.17 | mhall | iostream: makes me want to change nicks to my favorite function: printf |
| 03:32.30 | iostream | mhall, tell me, I've lost a 500GB drive lately that was pretty much filled =P |
| 03:32.36 | Tomasu | vsnprinf is better |
| 03:32.47 | mhall | Tomasu: not if you use awk |
| 03:33.06 | Tomasu | I try not to. I like to not be crazy ;) |
| 03:33.29 | mhall | i'm pretty much of a h4x0r with awk |
| 03:33.43 | mhall | i can do nearly anything with it and i always save myself hours in my job |
| 03:33.53 | mhall | i can do in 30-35 hrs what takes most people over 40 |
| 03:34.04 | mhall | perl is very ugly imho compared to awk |
| 03:34.09 | Tomasu | haha |
| 03:34.10 | iostream | mhall, lol |
| 03:34.19 | Tomasu | um, perl is based on awk :o to some degree |
| 03:34.29 | mhall | when i'd need perl at that point i generally switch to C, C++, Java |
| 03:34.32 | Tomasu | its just more powerful and more flexible |
| 03:34.40 | mhall | Tomasu: yes i think it's more of a culture problem |
| 03:34.43 | Tomasu | um, you have got to be kidding |
| 03:34.59 | mhall | Tomasu: people who use perl have got a certain culture which results imho in bad code |
| 03:35.09 | Tomasu | its just people being lazy |
| 03:35.24 | Tomasu | perl alows youto make messy code. thats all there is to it. |
| 03:35.42 | Renze | that's why I like python |
| 03:35.43 | Tomasu | its your own damn fault if you can't read or understand it later. |
| 03:35.49 | Tomasu | thats why I _hate_ python ;) |
| 03:35.50 | iostream | mhall, *g* that could also be said about ppl who use bash, awk, .... |
| 03:36.18 | iostream | oh oh ... I smell a flamewar coming up ... |
| 03:36.27 | Tomasu | python is the gnome of scripting languages ;) |
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| 03:36.35 | Renze | I also prefer vim to emacs :D |
| 03:36.47 | Tomasu | I aslo prefer anything to vim or emacs ;) |
| 03:36.50 | Tomasu | *also |
| 03:36.53 | iostream | lol ... python looked like basic too me thats why I never touched it =P |
| 03:37.22 | iostream | and I prefer jed to emacs or vim =P |
| 03:37.25 | Renze | I never did like perl though |
| 03:37.36 | Tomasu | Perl was the first language I learned. :) |
| 03:37.44 | Renze | and one day I'll take a look at ruby |
| 03:37.48 | Tomasu | eh |
| 03:38.00 | hardbop200 | Renze: no love on the font problem :) |
| 03:38.01 | Renze | BASIC was the first language I learned... back on the old 8-bit computers |
| 03:38.04 | iostream | BASIC and ASM *ducks* I neede a long time to recover from BASIC ... |
| 03:38.11 | Tomasu | ruby is like a bastard cross of perl and python, the speed of python and a unreadable mix of python and perl. |
| 03:38.21 | hardbop200 | what's funny is that, here in xchat, they look great, but in konsole very fuzzy |
| 03:38.33 | Tomasu | Renze: I dont count Basic ;) |
| 03:38.49 | Tomasu | I did play with basic back in the day on some Apple IIes |
| 03:38.55 | Renze | Tomasu: I do, because that's all that was available to me for a very long time |
| 03:39.19 | Tomasu | I didnt start getting into computers till I was about 16. so eh ;) |
| 03:39.25 | Renze | 13 for me |
| 03:39.29 | Renze | back in 1983 |
| 03:39.34 | iostream | 11 ... =P |
| 03:40.02 | Tomasu | yeah, we had a comuter back then, I just wasnt aloud to touch it. |
| 03:40.05 | Renze | iostream: the schools I went to when I was 11 didn't have computers |
| 03:40.09 | Tomasu | I think it was an IBM 8086 |
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| 03:40.50 | Tomasu | first school I went to that had computers was in Sherwood Park. nice place. full of rich people ;) |
| 03:41.03 | Tomasu | then no computers till jr highschool |
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| 03:50.35 | asdx | php was my first language i think, or bash |
| 03:50.37 | asdx | can't remember |
| 03:51.01 | asdx | i think it was php |
| 03:51.11 | Renze | ah, a young person |
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| 03:55.32 | asdx | are kde developers already working on things like plasma, etc, and all the things that will intergrate on kde 4 or they are still porting kde 3 to qt 4? |
| 03:55.57 | Renze | probably a little of both |
| 03:56.06 | asdx | i see |
| 03:56.58 | asdx | plasma is the new desktop shell right? |
| 03:59.04 | qupada | check out the 'roadmap' page at plasma.kde.org |
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| 04:00.36 | Renze | lets hope it's done before Duke Nukem Forever is released :D |
| 04:02.13 | iostream | Renze, it will be there before Vista ... thats my bet =P |
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| 04:13.31 | mobtek | so about 6 years? |
| 04:14.35 | qupada | "when it's finished" |
| 04:14.42 | mobtek | ;) |
| 04:15.05 | qupada | translation: some time between now and never |
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| 04:18.22 | Renze | qupada: "how long is a piece of string" :D |
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| 04:19.14 | Egyptian[Home] | morning all |
| 04:19.25 | qupada | i have some string in my top desk drawer, i can measure it for you |
| 04:19.49 | Egyptian[Home] | is there a kdebluetooth version for the x86_64? what i mean is .. is it 64bit friendly? |
| 04:20.04 | qupada | Egyptian[Home]: works fine |
| 04:20.12 | qupada | i have it here |
| 04:21.55 | Renze | qupada: ah, but would your measurement be true for all pieces of string? :) |
| 04:22.35 | qupada | Renze: with a suitable uncertainty |
| 04:22.44 | qupada | say 2 +/- 4000 metres |
| 04:22.50 | Renze | a bloody large uncertainty :D |
| 04:23.10 | qupada | yep |
| 04:23.24 | Renze | qupada: the correct answer is "long enough, if you're lucky" :) |
| 04:23.29 | qupada | and it also leaves the possibility of finding the elusive -3998m long piece of string |
| 04:24.01 | Renze | or "double the length from the middle to either end" |
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| 04:24.48 | Renze | but it is a good simile for the software development life cycle :D |
| 04:25.11 | Egyptian[Home] | qupada ..thanks |
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| 04:26.46 | henriquev | any idea to set up these hotkeys on multimedia keyboards? |
| 04:31.21 | henriquev | http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/ let me see...\ |
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| 04:34.06 | fir3st0rm | hi |
| 04:35.59 | fir3st0rm | i'm unable to start kde apps and kbuildsycoca also refuses to start(no error messages). i already tried to rename .qt .kde |
| 04:36.33 | fir3st0rm | logging in as root, everything works |
| 04:37.54 | fir3st0rm | i was able to fix it with a reboot |
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| 04:38.51 | fir3st0rm | any ideas how i can get my kde apps running again without rebooting? :/ |
| 04:39.50 | Ardonik | Jsut restart X, I guess |
| 04:40.07 | Ardonik | left ctrl + left alt + backspace is the three-fingered salute (save your work first) |
| 04:40.08 | Ardonik | OR |
| 04:40.12 | Ardonik | Start a new X session. |
| 04:40.29 | Ardonik | "xinit /path/to/startkde -- :1" should be sufficient |
| 04:41.52 | fir3st0rm | no way to get it working without restarting X? |
| 04:42.02 | fir3st0rm | i'm using a window manager btw |
| 04:42.29 | Ardonik | Well, like I said, start another X and see if the KDE session works right in it |
| 04:42.54 | Ardonik | You can fire up as many X sessions as you want (one per virtual terminal, and an infinite number more if you use Xnest or VNCServer) |
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| 04:45.48 | fir3st0rm | i don't use Xnest or vncserver ;) |
| 04:47.00 | fir3st0rm | brb |
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| 04:48.44 | fir3 | i restarted X but my kde apps are still not working :/ |
| 04:50.47 | Ardonik | What error messages are printed to ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 04:51.02 | Ardonik | (Or the Xorg log files, or wherever your X stuff is logged?) |
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| 04:55.40 | fir3st0rm | .xsession-errors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/miHEg030.html |
| 04:56.00 | fir3st0rm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.45 | Ardonik | Where does ~/.e come from, E17? |
| 04:59.22 | fir3st0rm | yep |
| 04:59.50 | Ardonik | What happens when you change your window manager back to kwin? |
| 05:00.21 | fir3st0rm | kwin is not installed |
| 05:00.34 | fir3st0rm | should i install kwin? |
| 05:01.47 | Ardonik | KDE comes with kwin--that's its native Windows manager |
| 05:01.54 | Ardonik | er, window manager |
| 05:02.09 | fir3st0rm | i don't have the whole kde package installed |
| 05:03.31 | fir3st0rm | ok i installed kwin |
| 05:06.02 | fir3 | seems like kwin isn't enough to start kde :/ |
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| 05:06.55 | positivo | #timbó |
| 05:07.11 | positivo | #canaltimbó |
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| 05:12.54 | fir3 | any ideas? |
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| 05:14.29 | `File_Reaper | hello, for KDE, can you make all the apps stick to individual and seperate taskbars like in GNOME? |
| 05:15.43 | `File_Reaper | hello? |
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| 05:16.03 | fir3 | hum..i can start kde apps again |
| 05:16.39 | fir3 | dunno exactly what fixed it. i removed some dirs in /tmp and killed/restarted dcop |
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| 05:17.48 | `File_Reaper | nvm got it |
| 05:17.50 | `File_Reaper | sheesh |
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| 05:32.28 | marcusU | Kile seems not to build with unsermake. |
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| 05:37.42 | marcusU | Builds fine with unsermake disabled. |
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| 05:40.03 | _positivo | vctem mariodoo |
| 05:40.17 | _positivo | hhjkljjjjjjjjjjj |
| 05:40.19 | _positivo | hkjkhuk |
| 05:40.21 | _positivo | uuukyuy |
| 05:40.22 | _positivo | yyiuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 05:40.23 | _positivo | ylkiuuuuuuuu |
| 05:40.24 | _positivo | yliiiiiiiiii |
| 05:40.25 | _positivo | il |
| 05:40.25 | _positivo | uuuuuu |
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| 05:42.13 | _positivo | olá mulher ai |
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| 05:45.56 | androide | hello, k3b support ogg files to get them into a Audio CD? |
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| 05:54.06 | lindenle | Can someone help me make korganizer use my webdav server |
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| 06:21.09 | roxy_ | I am trying to use gpg with kmail . I followed: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html and everything is working properly but 1 thing. When I send a mail it ask for my passphrase saying the gpg-agent is not running but it is running. What can I do ? |
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| 06:25.03 | hlieberman | Er.... it seems Kmail has a bit of a bug. It never gives up trying to login to an IMAP account. It says, wrong password. Prompts me for the password (the account is disabled). No matter what I do, it continuily bounces back and forth between the prompt and the error until I kill it. |
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| 07:02.44 | Sho_ | doo be doo be doo |
| 07:02.58 | rr73 | BOB |
| 07:03.09 | roxy_ | Sho_: will /exec be available in konversation ? |
| 07:04.35 | Sho_ | roxy_: Konversation has had /exec since at least two years ago when I started using it |
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| 07:06.28 | roxy_ | Sho_: I am not using it properly then, what is wrong with: /exec -o uname |
| 07:06.52 | Sho_ | roxy_: What's -o supposed to do? |
| 07:07.15 | roxy_ | Sho_: "/exec uname" gives the same error |
| 07:07.32 | Sho_ | roxy_: You're probably looking for /exec cmd uname or its alias /cmd uname |
| 07:07.42 | roxy_ | Linux |
| 07:07.45 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 07:07.51 | roxy_ | Sho_: thanks |
| 07:08.37 | Sho_ | roxy_: /exec by itself tries to execute the command in one of Konversation's scripts directories (i.e. $KDEDIRS/share/apps/konversation/scripts and ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts) |
| 07:08.54 | Sho_ | roxy_: For example /media is really an alias to /exec media |
| 07:10.28 | roxy_ | Sho_: nice. |
| 07:10.42 | Renze | the -o is legacy from when home computers couldn't multitask, so the command output could be local or sent to IRC with -o |
| 07:11.16 | roxy_ | Renze: I was waiting for you :-) |
| 07:11.29 | roxy_ | Renze: did you see my Kmail question ? |
| 07:11.39 | Renze | lemme scroll up |
| 07:12.16 | Renze | sorry, can't help with that one... I have rarely used mail encryption (I have nothing to hide) :D |
| 07:12.38 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 07:13.26 | roxy_ | Renze: "when home computers couldn't multitask" what years was that ? |
| 07:13.40 | Renze | the dark years.... very very dark... |
| 07:13.56 | Renze | I started in 1983 |
| 07:14.37 | roxy_ | Renze: what was your first linux kernel ? |
| 07:14.50 | Renze | 2.0.something |
| 07:15.06 | Renze | on DeadRat 4.2 |
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| 07:16.19 | Sho_ | My first Linux was Corel Linux in '99 or so, which I used for about a whole hour |
| 07:16.22 | roxy_ | my first computer was redhat 7.3, not that old |
| 07:16.27 | Sho_ | Featuring KDE, naturally |
| 07:16.27 | Renze | I was an Amiga groupie for a while before I went Linux |
| 07:16.37 | Renze | my first KDE was 1.1 |
| 07:16.50 | Sho_ | Not sure what Corel shipped, some 2.x I assume |
| 07:17.10 | Renze | I just remember Corel Linux sucked :D |
| 07:17.16 | Sho_ | Yeah, it did |
| 07:17.27 | Sho_ | Hm, no, KDE 2.0 was released in 2000, so it must have been 1.1 on Corel |
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| 07:18.17 | Renze | uh oh |
| 07:18.36 | AegeanLinux | :@ |
| 07:19.00 | AegeanLinux | Renze: I've quit the stupid anticts and acting like a .... fifteen year old :D |
| 07:19.01 | Renze | hola ĂŚgean |
| 07:19.10 | AegeanLinux | lol @ Renze |
| 07:19.19 | Renze | really? let me be the judge of that |
| 07:19.29 | AegeanLinux | love the ae. That must have taken a while. |
| 07:19.35 | AegeanLinux | (how did you do that (?)) |
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| 07:19.36 | Renze | no, ĂŚ is easy |
| 07:19.43 | AegeanLinux | LOL! I see |
| 07:19.43 | Renze | as is Ă |
| 07:20.07 | Renze | I press my compose key, followed by a e |
| 07:20.26 | AegeanLinux | compose key ? |
| 07:20.38 | AegeanLinux | Renze: what keyboard do you have |
| 07:21.04 | Renze | Logitech iTouch Internet Navigator - and no, it doesn't have a compose key :D |
| 07:21.25 | Renze | I set my right alt key to be compose |
| 07:21.30 | AegeanLinux | Renze: I might be getting an Logitec G-15 Keyboard for my 16th Birthday! (This is the keyboard I despretly want becuase of it's pipe programable LCD Screen :D) |
| 07:22.12 | Renze | meh, pointless features :D |
| 07:22.36 | AegeanLinux | LCD screen is pointless? |
| 07:22.42 | AegeanLinux | Dang, I can put things like CPU tempurature there, bandwidth used .... |
| 07:22.53 | AegeanLinux | it costs $130. |
| 07:22.57 | Renze | I had one attached to my serial port for a while... got bored with it |
| 07:23.18 | Renze | using lcdproc |
| 07:23.23 | AegeanLinux | But that wasn't on your keyboard |
| 07:23.28 | Renze | so? |
| 07:23.34 | AegeanLinux | Renze: if you don't want it you can send it to me :D |
| 07:23.47 | AegeanLinux | I can find 1,000,000 uses for it (litrally :D) |
| 07:23.55 | Renze | it was a borrowed lcd... I gave it back to my flatmate |
| 07:25.22 | Renze | they're not cheap, but... http://www.crystalfontz.com/ |
| 07:26.19 | AegeanLinux | what would #kde do without Renze :D |
| 07:26.28 | Renze | probably have a party :D |
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| 07:26.45 | Tm_T | Sho_: code it ;) |
| 07:27.22 | Sho_ | Tm_T: I'm about to ... throw a KLed on it and be done with it ;) |
| 07:28.00 | Tm_T | =) |
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| 07:41.00 | islamguidedotcom | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 07:41.07 | islamguidedotcom | what packages am i missing? |
| 07:41.19 | Sho_ | X? ;) |
| 07:43.20 | Tm_T | islamguidedotcom: deb-based distro? |
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| 07:46.20 | stoned | islamguidedotcom, salaam u alaikum |
| 07:46.22 | benJIman | islamguidedotcom: x devel package probably |
| 07:48.50 | bioticpro | anyone using 3.5.4 yet? |
| 07:49.28 | Worf | yeah |
| 07:50.05 | Tm_T | sure |
| 07:51.07 | Sho_ | yup |
| 07:51.36 | Worf | is that going to be a usage statistic? :) |
| 07:51.39 | Renze | affirmative |
| 07:51.46 | Sho_ | Only one really annoying bug so far. |
| 07:51.52 | Sho_ | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131770 |
| 07:52.37 | Worf | Sho_: interesting... didn't notice a difference... propably because i use a different font :) |
| 07:53.02 | Worf | trying different font |
| 07:53.08 | Renze | the brighter colours version of bold still works |
| 07:53.19 | Sho_ | Worf: Doesn't appear to be font-specific |
| 07:53.29 | Renze | but the bolder font is definitely dead |
| 07:53.43 | Worf | ok, how does one test that? |
| 07:54.03 | Worf | i mean... what command should print out in bold? |
| 07:54.05 | Sho_ | Worf: How about you read the bug? ;-) |
| 07:54.05 | stoned | hi |
| 07:54.14 | Renze | echo -e "^[[1mBold^[[0m" |
| 07:54.14 | Renze | where ^[ is done with ctrl+v esc |
| 07:54.16 | Worf | ah - ok - foun it |
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| 07:57.13 | Worf | must be a gerneral problem, cause my xterm also doesn't display that as bold ... |
| 07:57.16 | Worf | i mean |
| 07:57.20 | Worf | a common problem |
| 07:57.47 | Renze | it works in xterm here |
| 07:58.20 | Worf | however, it's got more intense colors, so i'm fine with it |
| 07:59.10 | Worf | and to be honest: i cannot remember having seen bold letters in a xterm or konsole ever |
| 07:59.26 | Sho_ | Well hopefully it will be fixed soon so I can resume making, err, bold statements ... in my term. |
| 07:59.43 | Worf | hehe, yeah |
| 08:00.19 | Sho_ | Worf: Various command line utilities I use use bold to visually distinguish different parts of their output |
| 08:00.48 | Worf | Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, explore |
| 08:00.48 | Worf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.27 | Worf | Sho_: well, i see that in brighter colors then |
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| 08:07.49 | islamguidedotcom | stoned, was |
| 08:07.56 | islamguidedotcom | wass |
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| 08:08.13 | islamguidedotcom | stoned, اŮŘłŮاŮ
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| 08:08.22 | stoned | I can't type arabic |
| 08:08.26 | stoned | but it shows up fine |
| 08:08.35 | islamguidedotcom | Tm_T, im on FC5 |
| 08:08.35 | stoned | thanks to utf |
| 08:08.37 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:08.52 | stoned | do you have to have an arabic keyboard to type arabic? |
| 08:09.12 | Tm_T | islamguidedotcom: yrrrh, anyway, install x-includes |
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| 08:09.47 | islamguidedotcom | stoned, not sure but mine's just copy and paste |
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| 08:10.52 | Worf | what the .... it shows up fine here too ( i think ), but when i try to select it, it um... jumps around... |
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| 08:12.01 | Worf | seems to be some direction reversing feature :D |
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| 08:26.44 | tstaerk | when do I use .bashrc and when .bash_profile ? |
| 08:28.17 | Sho_ | tstaerk: see the text on login vs. non-login shells in "man bash" |
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| 08:31.19 | lunitik | tstaerk: bashrc is for configuration ... bash_profile is for environment afaik |
| 08:31.43 | lunitik | tstaerk: although, I don't think it really matters for most people |
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| 08:31.51 | stoned | cool |
| 08:32.00 | lunitik | stoned: don't do that again, tyia :P |
| 08:32.09 | stoned | huh? |
| 08:32.23 | stoned | don't tell me what to do |
| 08:32.24 | lunitik | stoned: looks ugly :( |
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| 08:32.29 | stoned | you're ugly! |
| 08:32.35 | stoned | :/ |
| 08:32.37 | lunitik | stoned: I'll tell you whatever I want damnit *madface* |
| 08:32.57 | stoned | I'll cut you |
| 08:33.18 | lunitik | If you get close... maybe... |
| 08:33.33 | stoned | maybe if you used unicode it might show up |
| 08:33.37 | stoned | and not look ugly |
| 08:33.40 | stoned | its a beautiful script |
| 08:33.45 | lunitik | stoned: it shows up... its still ugly |
| 08:33.51 | stoned | you're ugly! |
| 08:34.34 | stoned | penis |
| 08:34.47 | stoned | I want a Hawain punch fountain in my room |
| 08:34.57 | stoned | like a regular water fountain |
| 08:35.03 | stoned | but it gives out hawain punch |
| 08:35.21 | Renze | I want one of those... but bourbon |
| 08:35.23 | lunitik | stoned: its possible... expensive, but possible ;) |
| 08:35.34 | AegeanLinux | Renze: Did you get the new QtCurve ? |
| 08:35.39 | Renze | yup |
| 08:35.44 | AegeanLinux | It so sexy now. |
| 08:35.54 | stoned | wow |
| 08:35.56 | AegeanLinux | With the buttons how it has the color highlight around them |
| 08:36.07 | stoned | I beleive that if software turns you on, then you have problems... |
| 08:36.19 | AegeanLinux | That is one thing I always wished of QtCurve ... |
| 08:36.54 | AegeanLinux | stoned: Shakira turns me on, I think QtCurve is sexy, like I used to think Britany Spears was hot when I was 13 ;) |
| 08:37.08 | stoned | spears is from my city |
| 08:37.21 | stoned | I drove by her high school all the tme |
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| 08:37.38 | stoned | ugly cunt with big tits don't have a good singer |
| 08:37.38 | AegeanLinux | stoned: Did you think she was hot too ;-) |
| 08:37.49 | stoned | s/have/make |
| 08:38.07 | stoned | shakira is alright |
| 08:38.08 | AegeanLinux | Shakira is a good singer |
| 08:38.13 | lunitik | stoned: you hate women imo... if you don't think Shakira is hot, you're gay |
| 08:38.17 | stoned | I dunno man, I can't get into that kinda stupid msuic |
| 08:38.32 | stoned | yeah, shes alright, just not ALL that |
| 08:38.34 | AegeanLinux | Shakira, stupid music (?) |
| 08:38.51 | AegeanLinux | My only 2 albums that I have gone to a shop and bought are hers |
| 08:39.01 | stoned | fuck pop music |
| 08:39.19 | stoned | if you like it, more power to you, to me though, its pointless and fuckin useless |
| 08:39.23 | stoned | Sho_, word |
| 08:39.42 | Sho_ | Remember, this one here is for distro and Gnome vs. KDE flamewars. |
| 08:39.46 | Sho_ | #amarok is for music flame wars. |
| 08:39.50 | tstaerk | ;) |
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| 08:40.06 | Renze | Sho_: where do I go for vim versus emacs? :D |
| 08:40.10 | stoned | well fuck gnome too |
| 08:40.13 | Sho_ | Renze: #kate of course |
| 08:40.14 | stoned | gnome pisses me off |
| 08:40.18 | AegeanLinux | lol @ Sho_ and Renze |
| 08:40.22 | Renze | Sho_: ah, of course :) |
| 08:40.33 | stoned | have you looked at the fucking dialog box of open/save etc. |
| 08:40.39 | stoned | its horriblely designed |
| 08:40.49 | Sho_ | When you're right you're right :) |
| 08:41.09 | AegeanLinux | I know, stoned, I think that Gnome devs get high each night and pluck these things from Microsoft. |
| 08:41.14 | Renze | I keep pressing the wrong buttons in Gimp dialogs |
| 08:41.21 | stoned | hey man, dont diss the weed |
| 08:41.26 | stoned | don't blame it on the weed |
| 08:41.32 | stoned | I get high and I think gnome still sucks as does MS |
| 08:41.39 | Renze | how about the peyote? |
| 08:41.39 | AegeanLinux | I didn't say it was the weeds fault ;) |
| 08:41.49 | AegeanLinux | I just said that that is what they do :D |
| 08:42.02 | stoned | well then being intoxicated on weed should not even have a bearing on it |
| 08:42.05 | AegeanLinux | I don't care if they use the wacky tabacii. |
| 08:42.18 | stoned | well |
| 08:42.19 | Renze | they smoke Miguel's armpit hair |
| 08:42.34 | AegeanLinux | Who's Miguel Most inteligent one ? |
| 08:42.37 | shining | why do ppl hate gnome here? |
| 08:42.47 | stoned | I just have given a reason man |
| 08:42.51 | stoned | I can think of plenty |
| 08:42.53 | AegeanLinux | shining: because its __to hard__ to compile |
| 08:42.55 | Renze | Miguel De Icaza... big man of Gnome |
| 08:42.56 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: the guy that started Gnome, and Mono |
| 08:43.06 | AegeanLinux | Pusch |
| 08:43.25 | stoned | Sho_, hows konv. coming along man |
| 08:43.29 | Renze | Sho_: wtf?!? |
| 08:43.32 | shining | stoned: I always see this one reason, and it isn't enough for me |
| 08:43.35 | lunitik | Sho_: ahh... didn't know that... damnit, he should have stayed a KDE devel :( |
| 08:43.41 | Sho_ | Renze: many Gnome guys were ;) |
| 08:43.44 | shining | AegeanLinux: hard to compile? |
| 08:43.49 | lunitik | Sho_: then KDE would be the default desktop everywhere ^_^ |
| 08:43.57 | stoned | shining, I've got many reasons, kde is JUST MORE usable than gnome ime |
| 08:43.57 | AegeanLinux | yeah, KDE to compile needs QT and 5 other deps |
| 08:43.57 | Renze | ay, no es bueno... |
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| 08:44.19 | AegeanLinux | Gnome needs ~ 30 before it starts to work like kdebase and kdelibs :D |
| 08:44.29 | shining | stoned: fine, it isn't a reason for bashing gnome full time though |
| 08:44.37 | stoned | yes it is |
| 08:44.40 | qupada | AegeanLinux: "work" in inverted commas |
| 08:44.46 | stoned | and when did one need a reason to do anything? |
| 08:44.48 | Sho_ | Well, Gnome is off-topic here. |
| 08:44.51 | stoned | ever heard of pointless shit? |
| 08:44.53 | Sho_ | Let's leave it at that. |
| 08:44.54 | stoned | fuck gnome. |
| 08:44.56 | lunitik | shining: you're sticking up for Gnome in #kde? thats gonna be a losing battle... just to let you know |
| 08:45.10 | AegeanLinux | qupada: so true ... |
| 08:45.32 | stoned | man |
| 08:45.38 | stoned | I cheated on my drug test, I'm so happy |
| 08:45.40 | stoned | I think I passed! |
| 08:45.50 | AegeanLinux | [18:40] <Sho_> Remember, this one here is for distro and Gnome vs. KDE flamewars. |
| 08:45.51 | stoned | I'm 90% sure that the urine I used to smuggle in was clena |
| 08:46.01 | Renze | stoned: no, the friend who donated the piss passed :D |
| 08:46.02 | Sho_ | AegeanLinux: That was a joke, obviously .. ;) |
| 08:46.04 | stoned | Sho_ doesn't know what he's talking about... |
| 08:46.08 | shining | lunitik: it's awfully boring, that's all |
| 08:46.15 | shining | gnome sucks, gnome sucks, gnome sucks |
| 08:46.20 | shining | kde rules, kde rules, kde rules |
| 08:47.00 | lunitik | shining: thank you for agreeing :P |
| 08:47.03 | shining | morons.. |
| 08:47.18 | lunitik | shining: you need to take that back |
| 08:47.27 | stoned | I change topic |
| 08:47.29 | stoned | NP: Spawn Of Possession -|- The Cabinet -|- " Church of deviance " -|- (Technical Death Metal) -|- (rating: 0/56) |
| 08:47.33 | stoned | oh wait |
| 08:47.37 | stoned | wrong song |
| 08:48.04 | Enverex | Managed to get the panel to let me configure it finally |
| 08:48.08 | Enverex | One last problem though |
| 08:48.22 | Enverex | All my fonts in GTK apps look really rough |
| 08:48.22 | stoned | NP: Gorgasm -|- Masticate To Dominate -|- " Charred Vaginal Effluence " -|- (Brutal Death Metal) -|- (rating: 0/0) |
| 08:48.26 | stoned | here we go |
| 08:48.30 | stoned | talk about imagery |
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| 08:48.32 | stoned | and language |
| 08:48.34 | stoned | change the topic |
| 08:48.40 | stoned | for the record |
| 08:48.43 | stoned | gnome still sucks |
| 08:48.47 | Sho_ | Enverex: You might want to emerge "gtk-engines-qt", that adds a KControl module for GTK theme and font configuration |
| 08:48.57 | Enverex | Sho_, It's installed |
| 08:49.05 | Enverex | Sho_, and it's set to use my QT settings |
| 08:49.19 | lunitik | Sho_: afaik, thats having issues at the moment :( |
| 08:49.21 | Enverex | Sho_, Everything like the buttons are such are fine, it's just the icons |
| 08:49.32 | Enverex | Looks awful =/ |
| 08:49.36 | Sho_ | Enverex: hm :/ |
| 08:49.59 | Sho_ | Enverex: I'm not sure how/if an existing Gnome install and its settings might interfere or collide with gtk-engines-qt |
| 08:50.08 | lunitik | Enverex: gtk-engines-gtk-qt doesn't do anything with icons... I wish it did too... |
| 08:50.13 | stoned | I am not completely satisfied with the results of gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 08:50.17 | Enverex | (and considering GIMP, Audacious, X-Chat and Firefox are all GTK it means I am stuck with everything looking crap |
| 08:50.25 | stoned | reason being, it isn't as smooth |
| 08:50.30 | stoned | ugly toolbar redering |
| 08:50.41 | Enverex | lunitik, erm, I meant text |
| 08:50.42 | stoned | however if you use another gtk2 engine, it looks good |
| 08:50.42 | Enverex | sorry |
| 08:50.49 | Sho_ | Enverex: Shameless plug, but maybe you want to give Konversation a try to replace X-Chat ;-) |
| 08:50.53 | Enverex | Nope |
| 08:51.02 | lunitik | Enverex: here... seems fine with fonts... although they're all bold or something :/ |
| 08:51.16 | lunitik | Sho_: shameless, psh |
| 08:51.17 | stoned | Enverex, audacity is gtk based, not gtk2 |
| 08:51.28 | Enverex | No, it's GTK2, XMMS is GTK1 |
| 08:51.37 | Enverex | and I said Audacious |
| 08:51.41 | Enverex | not Audacity |
| 08:51.42 | stoned | oh |
| 08:51.44 | stoned | my bad |
| 08:51.46 | stoned | I am high |
| 08:51.50 | Sho_ | (And Amarok to replace Audacious ...) |
| 08:51.53 | stoned | give me a break |
| 08:51.53 | lunitik | stoned: you pass your test? |
| 08:51.55 | Enverex | and yes, Audacity looks like shit everywhere |
| 08:51.59 | stoned | lunitik, hold on |
| 08:52.03 | Enverex | and no I'm not using Amarok |
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| 08:52.22 | Enverex | WM/DE shouldn't influence my application choices |
| 08:52.32 | qupada | audacity 1.3 betas look slightly less shite |
| 08:52.33 | Enverex | If it does I'm going to go back to Gnome because I'm not up for it |
| 08:52.34 | lunitik | Enverex: Amarok is the best music player for linux, full stop... and I'm not just saying that because I love KDE ;) |
| 08:52.45 | Sho_ | Enverex: I agree, but OTOH you might find the suggestes apps better anyway ;) |
| 08:52.47 | qupada | lunitik: i'll take my mpd any day |
| 08:52.52 | Sho_ | *suggested |
| 08:53.18 | Sho_ | Granted, X-Chat does a few things Konversation doesn't, but Audacious is simply a piece of crap |
| 08:53.30 | stoned | haha |
| 08:53.31 | stoned | fullstop |
| 08:53.36 | lunitik | Music players aren't supposed to blurt things out over a daemon :/ |
| 08:53.38 | stoned | I have not heard that term since I left kindergarten |
| 08:53.41 | stoned | or KG |
| 08:53.42 | stoned | haha |
| 08:53.49 | stoned | period vs. fullstop |
| 08:53.54 | stoned | lovely |
| 08:53.55 | Enverex | Sho_, How exactly is it a piece of crap? |
| 08:53.58 | qupada | lunitik: you know it has password protection for that |
| 08:54.06 | Enverex | Sho_, Does Amarok support UADE? |
| 08:54.10 | qupada | lunitik: you can set it so people can't even see what's playing without the password |
| 08:54.12 | shining | mpd is great |
| 08:54.13 | lunitik | stoned: don't make fun of me damnit... I can barely see the screen right :( |
| 08:54.32 | Enverex | Sho_, Does amarok play S3M, MOD, MED, XT, IT, DW, DL, etc files? |
| 08:54.36 | lunitik | qupada: I don't care... the fact that it farts things out over the network by default is just bad :/ |
| 08:55.25 | lunitik | qupada: if I want the world to listen to my playlist, I'll install flumotion :/ |
| 08:55.41 | qupada | you know you can also choose to only bind it to 127.0.0.1, so removing any access anyone not on your pc has |
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| 08:55.57 | lunitik | qupada: like I said... by default... |
| 08:56.04 | qupada | yeah, but who uses the default config |
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| 08:56.51 | stoned | lunitik, hip hop? |
| 08:56.54 | stoned | NP: The Mitchell Brothers -|- Breath of Fresh Attire -|- " Fuck Me? Fuck You! " -|- (Hip-Hop) -|- (rating: 10/0) |
| 08:57.04 | stoned | you know them? ever heard them? |
| 08:57.09 | stoned | they are related to kde |
| 08:57.19 | stoned | a guy in one of thier music videos was wearing a kde shirt |
| 08:57.21 | lunitik | stoned: anything with a beat really... I mostly listen to hip hop when I'm by myself though, yes |
| 08:57.22 | stoned | :D |
| 08:57.33 | Enverex | *scripts |
| 08:57.36 | stoned | lunitik, icp is also good, and fuck what you have to say about it |
| 08:57.39 | stoned | word ;) |
| 08:57.47 | Sho_ | Enverex: Amarok supports a number of engines, such as xine, Helix or GStreamer, i.e. the question is whether one of those supports these formats |
| 08:57.50 | qupada | Enverex: i do too. i have one, but that was mostly for bash script coding practice |
| 08:57.58 | Enverex | Sho_, No, they don't |
| 08:58.11 | lunitik | stoned: we've had this discussion... ICP are talentless bums |
| 08:58.15 | Enverex | Sho_, So Amarok can't even play the formats I want, so it's no use to me at all |
| 08:58.18 | xushi | morning all |
| 08:58.41 | stoned | read what I said again :) |
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| 08:59.00 | Enverex | So no-one knows how to make the fonts in GTK programs not look awful? |
| 08:59.09 | stoned | Enverex, whas the problem? |
| 08:59.16 | xushi | just enable AA :) |
| 08:59.24 | stoned | Enverex, how do the fonts look messedup |
| 08:59.30 | lunitik | Enverex: Amarok can play anything that gstreamer/xine/etc can play... if xine doesn't support something, its not worth listening to... |
| 08:59.48 | aegeanlinux | Enverex: Use QtCurve |
| 08:59.48 | Sho_ | Enverex: I can see that, I suppose :). |
| 08:59.54 | Enverex | lunitik, I'm sorry but I don't remember when Xine dictated what people should be listening to |
| 09:00.02 | Enverex | Exactly what I said, the fonts in GTK apps look very rough (worse than if they just weren't anti-aliased) |
| 09:00.14 | qupada | Enverex: xine-lib has IUSE="modplug" on gentoo, so i think it's safe to say it can play some of the formats you want |
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| 09:00.49 | Enverex | qupada, It will play about 10% and probably abour 4% of them wrongly, so not really |
| 09:00.49 | ^Spinner | anyone noticed that with the kdesktop backfound set to 'centered maxpect' doesn't actually maintain the image ration correctly? |
| 09:00.49 | aegeanlinux | Renze: can me and you have a conversation ? |
| 09:00.50 | Renze | what about? |
| 09:00.50 | ^Spinner | raoi* |
| 09:00.54 | ^Spinner | ratio even <sigh> |
| 09:00.56 | aegeanlinux | bash scripting |
| 09:01.13 | Renze | I prefer zsh, actually |
| 09:01.13 | xushi | guys, seriously, can anyone help me with this kde-i18n problem? it's been ~5 months with no replies.. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-442084-highlight-kdei18n.html |
| 09:01.16 | lunitik | aegeanlinux: #bash have intelligent people |
| 09:01.17 | qupada | Enverex: well they're trying... i only use xine for dvds so i've never really tested it |
| 09:01.58 | qupada | xushi: can i have the question in a form that doesn't involve me clicking that link? |
| 09:02.10 | Sho_ | Enverex: FWIW, I have no problems with the fonts in GTK+ apps on my Gentoo boxes ... and gtk-engines-qt doesn't do much more than write a font line into ~/.gtkrc-2.0, fonts-wise |
| 09:02.11 | Renze | Enverex: for the record, my xine plays mod/xm/s3m/etc fine |
| 09:02.33 | Enverex | So... in coming here for help, all that has happened is that I've been told that part of my music collection isn't worth listening to and that I should change all the other apps I use. Ok, to be honest I'm not really loving KDE at the moment |
| 09:02.34 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/kde.jpg <--- check this |
| 09:02.38 | qupada | Renze: i think the dilemma is if they actually sound like the author intended |
| 09:02.40 | lunitik | xushi: afaik ... scim is the latest craze for that... install skim for a kde way to configure it |
| 09:02.40 | xushi | qupada: its long, but in short, i can't for the life of me write file/folder names in arabic/chinese/etc... instead, it displays them as ?????? questionmarks |
| 09:02.41 | stoned | Enverex, look at the screenshot |
| 09:02.56 | Renze | qupada: they sound good enough for me |
| 09:03.13 | Sho_ | xushi: That has nothing to do with kde-i18n, but with the encoding of the file system, NLS support in your kernel, fonts, and so on |
| 09:03.15 | xushi | lunitik: why do i need scim for that? i don't really undrestand. All i need is to read, not to write, same way i read in konqueror's web browser, it should also do it for folder names |
| 09:03.16 | Renze | I think Enverex is just being a jerk because he's not getting exactly what he wants |
| 09:03.24 | Enverex | stoned, What am I supposed to be looking at? |
| 09:03.27 | stoned | fonts |
| 09:03.42 | xushi | Sho_: i've enabled the languages in my kernel, along with NLS in my USE flag |
| 09:03.52 | lunitik | stoned: how did you get that arabic thinger into konversation? explain the process to xushi tyia :P |
| 09:04.02 | ^Spinner | xushi - what do you have set under NLS in your kernel settings? |
| 09:04.25 | stoned | اŮŘłŮاŮ
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| 09:04.28 | xushi | ^Spinner: i'll fetch it in a sec. lunitik come again ? |
| 09:04.33 | Enverex | Renze, "exactly what I want"? All I want is for GTK apps to not look like crap and I'm not getting anything |
| 09:04.36 | aegeanlinux | lunitik: I want to keep Renze busy :P |
| 09:04.45 | Enverex | stoned, ... ok... so... what? Do you know how to fix it? |
| 09:04.49 | stoned | Enverex, switch/switch2 |
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| 09:04.55 | Renze | Enverex: I was referring to the "Amarok is crap because it won't play mods" thing |
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| 09:05.08 | stoned | in debian its called gtk2-theme-switch |
| 09:05.23 | stoned | switch lets you mess with gtk+ apps and switch 2 for gtk2 |
| 09:05.38 | ^Spinner | stoned: what that arabic or something? |
| 09:05.45 | stoned | it is arabic |
| 09:05.49 | shining | Enverex: do you have a screenshot? |
| 09:05.51 | ^Spinner | stoned: I didn't even know I had that set on my system heh |
| 09:05.56 | Enverex | shining, hold on |
| 09:05.57 | Sho_ | Enverex: http://www.eikehein.com/fonts.png |
| 09:06.00 | stoned | Unicode is the shiznit |
| 09:06.08 | Renze | ă˝ăăĄă |
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| 09:06.28 | lunitik | grrrr |
| 09:06.37 | xushi | ^Spinner: i have codepage 437, 862, 864, simplified chinese charset, traditional chinese charset, japanese char, hebrew char, ascii, nls 8859-1/6/15/utf, all as built in to the kernel |
| 09:06.42 | Renze | lunitik: install the intlfonts package for your distro |
| 09:06.44 | ^Spinner | looks chinese maybe?? |
| 09:06.52 | Renze | japanese |
| 09:06.53 | stoned | japanese |
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| 09:07.00 | ^Spinner | ah |
| 09:07.00 | stoned | heh |
| 09:07.08 | ^Spinner | close (geographically) ;-) |
| 09:07.10 | stoned | chinese is way more intense |
| 09:07.20 | Enverex | Sho_, Yes Sho, as I've stated probably around 4 times now I already have that installed and set |
| 09:07.41 | Sho_ | Enverex: I was merely providing a reference shot to show that the font rendering in my KDE and GTK apps is identical |
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| 09:07.57 | xushi | ^Spinner: so, am i missing anything ? =] |
| 09:07.59 | stoned | Enverex, switch/switch2 will apply your settings without you having to restart the gtk application, unlike the qt contro lmodule |
| 09:08.09 | stoned | Enverex, btw |
| 09:08.17 | ^Spinner | xushi: doesn't look like it - but have you tried recompiling with _everything_ built in? |
| 09:08.32 | ^Spinner | if it still doesn't work, then you know it's not an NLS/kernel issue |
| 09:08.53 | ^Spinner | and definately rules out those suggestinog from ppl like me etc. ;-) |
| 09:08.59 | stoned | Enverex, I find that if you install the 40-60 mb total XFCE4 and not use it, just intall it, or if not the whole thing then at least xfce-mcs-manager, xfce-mcs-plugins gtk2-engines-xfce |
| 09:09.03 | xushi | ^Spinner: well, i don't see how that'll make a difference, since the ones i didn't compile in are the languages i don't need, (turkish, baltic rim, etc...) |
| 09:09.25 | stoned | when you have those, xfce mcs will enable anti aliasing, and almost perfect control of your gtk themeing needs |
| 09:09.31 | xushi | i'll try creating a folder with arabic from Eterm and see if that works |
| 09:09.33 | ^Spinner | xushi: yeah - like I said, I don't think it is a prob - but then there's always Murphey ;-) |
| 09:09.37 | stoned | its much better than trying to fuck with gtk theme switchig modules |
| 09:09.42 | stoned | give it a shot |
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| 09:10.18 | xushi | argh, gives me questions |
| 09:10.35 | Enverex | stoned, Not really in the mood for compiling another 60MB of source right now |
| 09:10.45 | stoned | Enverex, well then stop bitching |
| 09:11.06 | ^Spinner | lol |
| 09:11.11 | xushi | i mean in kfmclient, when it asks me for the folder name and i enter it, it displays correctly. when i press OK, it still shows it for 0.1 seconds, then quickly changes it to ??? questionmarks |
| 09:11.22 | ^Spinner | xushi: well, at least we know for sure now that tis' not a kernel config issues |
| 09:11.39 | ^Spinner | s/s$// |
| 09:11.40 | xushi | sec, mailman.. |
| 09:11.55 | stoned | Enverex, like I said, if you compile just the 3 packages I mentioned |
| 09:11.58 | stoned | you'll be alright |
| 09:12.02 | stoned | and whatever else they depend on |
| 09:12.03 | Enverex | http://dragonden.org/gtk.png |
| 09:12.51 | lunitik | Enverex: I don't understand... everything you seem to use is GTK... but you're using KDE? there are better choices if you don't like the kde apps :/ |
| 09:13.12 | lunitik | Enverex: XFce is a personal favorate when I feel like venturing into the GTK world |
| 09:13.20 | Sho_ | Enverex: Looks like it simply doesn't have anti-aliasing enabled. Please check KControl -> Apperance -> Fonts and specifically the "Exclude range" settings hiding behind the "Configure" button in that page. |
| 09:13.20 | Enverex | lunitik, I pick the programs because I LIKE those programs. I'm not using KDEs shitty homemade alternatives |
| 09:13.36 | shining | Enverex: it looks fine :) |
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| 09:13.55 | lunitik | Enverex: Kopete, Konversation, Amarok, Digikam ... shitty alternatives? |
| 09:14.12 | shining | stop it, this is pointless |
| 09:14.34 | Enverex | lunitik, I used Amarok in Gnome, it has its uses, but not for what I normally want |
| 09:14.34 | lunitik | shining: no one is making you read it :/ |
| 09:14.39 | aegeanlinux | Sho_: My most wanted Konversation feature, a Kicker aplet that loads up when your name is said |
| 09:14.56 | Enverex | Sho_, nope, that's disabled |
| 09:15.18 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: There's a tray icon for that, or the OSD. I see no point in adding a kicker applet. :) |
| 09:15.19 | lunitik | aegeanlinux: you can make the system tray entry flash when your name is said... not what you want? |
| 09:15.38 | aegeanlinux | Sho_: Tray icon? really ? |
| 09:15.42 | aegeanlinux | Sho_: where? |
| 09:15.44 | xushi | wee, my gf just got a provisional driving license, and she doesn't even know wtf a pedal, break, or a wheel is =D |
| 09:15.59 | Sho_ | Enverex: Try opening your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 in a text editor, perhaps there's a "don't use anti-aliasing" directive in there for god knows what reason. |
| 09:16.03 | Enverex | xushi, Hence why you don't need to know how to drive to get a provisional |
| 09:16.11 | fir3st0rm | hi |
| 09:16.26 | fir3st0rm | how can i access to a shared samba printer? |
| 09:16.33 | Enverex | Sho_, nope |
| 09:16.35 | xushi | Enverex: still sounds weird to me |
| 09:16.38 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General -> Enable Tray Icon |
| 09:16.41 | lunitik | aegeanlinux: Settings > Configure Konversation > Behavior > General |
| 09:16.49 | lunitik | Sho_: damnit, you beat me :( |
| 09:16.50 | tstaerk | fir3st0rm, look at localhost:631 for printer configuration |
| 09:17.06 | fir3st0rm | tstaerk: nothing there |
| 09:17.08 | Sho_ | Enverex: You could try wiping your ~/.fonts.conf (or rather, move it away) and then creating the font settings anew. |
| 09:17.15 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: then install CUPS |
| 09:17.16 | tstaerk | fir3st0rm, start your cups |
| 09:17.25 | aegeanlinux | Sho_: Poke me / Ping me please |
| 09:17.30 | fir3st0rm | no, the printer is connected to another pc |
| 09:17.37 | Sho_ | Enverex: Note that these settings don't apply at runtime; you will need to restart the respective applications to see changes. |
| 09:17.42 | fir3st0rm | i want to setup this machine as client |
| 09:17.43 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you still use CUPS for that |
| 09:17.46 | tstaerk | fir3st0rm, and on this pc, is there a cups server? |
| 09:17.51 | Enverex | Sho_, Just checked it, there's nothing wrong with that |
| 09:17.55 | fir3st0rm | no, it's a windows pc |
| 09:18.04 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: blubb |
| 09:18.23 | tstaerk | fir3st0rm, ok, so you need cups on your pc to control the windows pc with printer, as lunitik said. |
| 09:18.42 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: if you care to find another way to do that... knock your self out, normal people use CUPS for printing |
| 09:19.07 | fir3st0rm | ok |
| 09:19.08 | aegeanlinux | thanks Sho_, your my favorite KDE dev ever! |
| 09:19.18 | fir3st0rm | any idea what package i need on debian? |
| 09:19.19 | lunitik | tstaerk: CUPS here doesn't control anything... it just spews jobs to the box that is sharing the printer |
| 09:19.31 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: cupsys at least |
| 09:19.44 | fir3st0rm | k |
| 09:19.49 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: apt-cache show cupsys ... recommends a bunch of driver packages |
| 09:19.50 | Sho_ | Enverex: Well, all KControl does is (a) write ~/.fonts.conf, (b) set the respective X resources to affect the running session, (c) the gtk-engines-qt module writes a line about the font to be used to ~/.gtkrc-2.0. I have no idea why GTK+ would chose to ignore some of those settings. Here it doesn't. v2.8.20-r1, FWIW. |
| 09:20.17 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: google knows which of those driver packages you need |
| 09:20.22 | lunitik | ~printing |
| 09:20.24 | apt | rumour has it, printing is http://www.linuxprinting.org/, or see http://www.churchofsatan.org |
| 09:20.44 | fred87 | heh |
| 09:21.14 | aegeanlinux | heh! |
| 09:21.16 | tstaerk | fir3st0rm, start your cups and point your browser to localhost:631... and you shall see |
| 09:21.20 | aegeanlinux | Lunitiks |
| 09:21.28 | fir3st0rm | ok |
| 09:21.47 | lunitik | tstaerk: you're assuming cups is installed by default, its not |
| 09:22.04 | tstaerk | lunitik, then he shall install it - yast2 -i cups |
| 09:22.09 | tstaerk | or apt-get install cups |
| 09:22.12 | fir3st0rm | ok it's there |
| 09:22.26 | lunitik | tstaerk: yast is suse... debian isn't suse |
| 09:22.27 | tstaerk | fir3st0rm, you see the page (631) |
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| 09:22.32 | fir3st0rm | yep |
| 09:22.35 | lunitik | tstaerk: and the package isn't cups |
| 09:22.46 | tstaerk | lunitik, ok |
| 09:23.02 | p1mrx | is it possible to restart KDE (so the 3.5.4 upgrade kicks in) without having to close my other programs? |
| 09:23.05 | tstaerk | cups-server again ? |
| 09:23.17 | aegeanlinux | p1mrx: killall kicker |
| 09:23.31 | aegeanlinux | p1mrx: kicker& |
| 09:23.32 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: that interface is pretty easy... just follow "Add Printer" through... then kdeprint should recognize your printer... |
| 09:23.34 | Sho_ | p1mrx: First of, don't do what aegeanlinux suggested |
| 09:23.35 | aegeanlinux | killall kwin |
| 09:23.39 | aegeanlinux | kwin & |
| 09:23.54 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: make sure you configure via samba (do you have smbclient installed? you'll need it) |
| 09:23.57 | p1mrx | I've sorta tried that before, but then closing the console kills the desktop environment |
| 09:24.00 | fir3st0rm | add printer doesn't show any printers :/ |
| 09:24.01 | Sho_ | p1mrx: Second, no, for certain core pieces you will need to restart the session |
| 09:24.19 | aegeanlinux | thats what the & <--- at the ends for ;) |
| 09:24.21 | fir3st0rm | yep smbclient is installed |
| 09:24.24 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you need to install driver packages |
| 09:24.30 | fir3st0rm | which ones? |
| 09:24.40 | p1mrx | ok, I'll just restart X. I just thought I'd ask cause it would mean not closing my IRC client :-p |
| 09:24.45 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: no idea... whichever has your printers drivers :/ |
| 09:25.07 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: like I said... google knows the answer to that |
| 09:25.29 | fir3st0rm | why do i need printer drivers when the printer is connected to another computer? |
| 09:25.44 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: because Windows drivers are useless to you? |
| 09:25.54 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: And for the record, a proper way to restart kicker is "dcop kicker kicker restart", and a proper way to replace a running kwin is "kwin --replace" |
| 09:26.13 | aegeanlinux | Sho_: Sorry. |
| 09:26.15 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: in a purely windows setup, adding a printer would push the drivers automagically to the client machines |
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| 09:26.26 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: oh, ok |
| 09:26.35 | fir3st0rm | *installs gutenprint* |
| 09:27.58 | fir3st0rm | i still can't see the printer :/ |
| 09:28.32 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: its not that complicated... you should be able to figure it out based on what you've been told :/ |
| 09:29.36 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you need to find the right package that has your printers drivers... could be the printers drivers aren't even in the debian archive... in which case... see what www.linuxprinting.org has to say about it |
| 09:29.38 | alsuren | fir3st0rm: I read somewhere that ubuntu has some odd policy about "no open ports" that might get in the way of network printing |
| 09:29.52 | lunitik | alsuren: he's not using Ubuntu |
| 09:30.20 | alsuren | kk |
| 09:30.28 | lunitik | At least he better not be, else I just wasted like half an hour :/ |
| 09:30.37 | Enverex | stoned, switch worked for changing the theme but didn't help the fonts |
| 09:30.58 | alsuren | I just glanced at the channel and thought "have I read something about that somewhere...." |
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| 09:31.07 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: what branch of Debian are you using? |
| 09:31.32 | lunitik | alsuren: yeah... Ubuntu Dapper shipped with a horribly crippled CUPS... |
| 09:31.54 | stoned | Enverex, you can change the font too, there is littel button you have to click next to theme drop down |
| 09:32.05 | Enverex | stoned, yeah, but it doesn't alias it, heh |
| 09:32.47 | Sho_ | Enverex: Have you tried enabling and disabling anti-aliasing in KControl? |
| 09:32.56 | Sho_ | Enverex, err, disabling and re-enabling, I mean |
| 09:34.09 | Enverex | haha, that worked Sho_ , thanks |
| 09:34.20 | alsuren | don't knock ubuntu. I did an ubuntu installfest a couple of months ago, and people seem very happy with it |
| 09:34.22 | Enverex | Stupid simple ideas that no-one thinks of >.< |
| 09:34.39 | alsuren | *kubuntu, but same difference :P |
| 09:34.57 | Sho_ | Enverex: Curious ... guess something botched the X resources in memory. Anyway, good it's fixed. |
| 09:35.24 | Enverex | Sho_, This machine has been restarted before now and it still did it... so it must have been something that just didn't get set |
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| 09:35.39 | Sho_ | Enverex: Perhaps it was ~/.fonts.conf after all |
| 09:35.44 | lunitik | alsuren: I have been using Debian for 5 years... I know what I'm doing on a Debian system, and I can see how badly Ubuntu fucks things up... normal users can't see such things... |
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| 09:36.04 | Enverex | Sho_, Nope, that's still exactly the same |
| 09:36.18 | Sho_ | Enverex: Let's hope it still works on next login, then ;) |
| 09:36.37 | Enverex | Sho_, should do, I think it's just set something in a GTK file somewhere that didn't get set before |
| 09:36.41 | Sho_ | In fact it's the Linux desktop distro I recommend to friends ATM |
| 09:36.52 | Sho_ | Enverex: yeah, could be |
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| 09:37.00 | aegeanlinux | Sho_: that and OpenSuSE |
| 09:37.03 | lunitik | alsuren: not to mention, Riddell isn't a DD because he's too incompetent at building packages... and he's the Ubuntu KDE maintainer, being paid for that... |
| 09:37.21 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: OpenSuSE fragged my partition table, killed my OS X and failed install with a strange error |
| 09:37.26 | blurpy | hi, i know "dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 2 0" shuts down the computer, but i can't find any documentation about what those 3 integers mean. is dcop calls documentet somewhere? |
| 09:37.33 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: Kubuntu installed perfectly and set up multiboot correctly in the same setup |
| 09:37.35 | Sho_ | :) |
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| 09:37.57 | Enverex | brb, antialiasing :P |
| 09:37.57 | Sho_ | blurpy: Hold on, one sec |
| 09:37.57 | aegeanlinux | :D kk. |
| 09:38.15 | lunitik | Sho_: debian-installer does os detection... nothing to do with ubuntu |
| 09:38.25 | blurpy | Sho_: ok |
| 09:38.51 | Sho_ | blurpy: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKApplication.html <- look at the three Shutdown* enums in the member list there if you scroll down |
| 09:39.12 | lunitik | Sho_: I'm not sure how much their live cd installer doohickey takes from debian-installer though... perhaps it uses the same mechanism, idk |
| 09:39.40 | lunitik | Sho_: last I heard it "utilizes as much code from debian-installer as possible" |
| 09:39.41 | blurpy | Sho_: thank you :) |
| 09:39.41 | zimm2 | ok got translucency working on debian testing (kde 3.5.3) (nvidia card) anyone have a fix for explanation for why konqueror windows seem to gradually "lose" their opacity and fade out during a session ? |
| 09:40.07 | Sho_ | lunitik: No idea ... what I do know however is that stable has too old software for a desktop and I have no desire to be along for the ride in testing, so I appreciate the work Kubuntu does ;) |
| 09:40.56 | smiler | Anyone have any idea of why I need to do the K-meny -> "Logout..." -> "End current session" procedure twice when I want to log out? |
| 09:41.10 | lunitik | Sho_: testing has security updates etc... and only gets things uploaded to it after passing certain requirements in sid (ie, no serious bug reports for at least 2 weeks last I heard) |
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| 09:42.27 | rob | Mepis (based on Kubuntu) is much nicer |
| 09:42.37 | rob | probably also more stable, somehow |
| 09:42.46 | rob | (works for me anyway) |
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| 09:44.06 | Sho_ | lunitik: Still, Kubuntu has been a positive experience for me. The default installation selection makes sense, everything on the laptop worked out of the box, including model-specific things like special keys, suspend works, wifi, the whole enchilada. I'm aware Kubuntu wouldn't be possible without the work going into Debian, but still I have no incentive to install Debian over Kubuntu on the box. |
| 09:44.23 | lunitik | Sho_: *ubuntu takes things from sid... and tries to stabilize it... etch gets sid packages that are bug free for a set amount of time |
| 09:44.31 | Enverex | Same with my laptop, was nice to have everything "Just work" |
| 09:45.21 | Sho_ | lunitik: That may be so, but still I haven't had a problem with Kubuntu yet. Except for their changes to Konqueror's menus that I manually reverted, I'm very happy. |
| 09:45.25 | lunitik | Sho_: so really, bug fixes that *ubuntu actually give back go into etch... |
| 09:46.14 | Sho_ | (And if it weren't a dog-slow G4 800, it would run Gentoo anyhow ;-) |
| 09:46.31 | Enverex | Damn, these KDE themes don't have as many mime type icons as the Gnome ones. Does anyone know of any good premade ones? (mime type icons for things like roms, audio types, etc?) |
| 09:46.42 | lunitik | Sho_: To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 09:46.59 | Sho_ | Enverex: I think I've seen a few topic-centered mime type collections on www.kde-look.org |
| 09:47.08 | PhilRod | Sho_: :-O you know what those dcop ints are! We should put that in the FAQ or something |
| 09:47.11 | PhilRod | hrm |
| 09:47.19 | lunitik | Sho_: doing that, and taking away kubuntu* would result in exactly the same system, without fighting to get things how you want... |
| 09:47.26 | Sho_ | PhilRod: I know my KApplication class reference! ;-) |
| 09:48.03 | Sho_ | lunitik: Except for the menu changes, I didn't have to fight anything ;-) |
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| 09:48.26 | Enverex | Sho_, where are KDE icon themes kept and do I have to assign the icons manually or will the icons assign to the mimetype when I drop them in the theme folder? |
| 09:48.46 | lunitik | Sho_: one of these days, you'll take the plunge and install Debian for real |
| 09:49.26 | lunitik | Sho_: seriously, Riddell was rejected as a DD because he's incompetent ... and thats the person that builds your debian packages |
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| 09:49.47 | Sho_ | Enverex: /usr/share/icons on Gentoo (I believe Gnome uses the same nowadays?) ... and yes it should work fairly automatically provided the mimetypes themselves are installed |
| 09:50.19 | lunitik | Sho_: the whole reason Kubuntu exists is because Debian rejected him, and Ubuntu made it easier for him to package things |
| 09:50.47 | Enverex | Sho_, erm, the KDE theme isn't in /usr/share/icons (the gnome ones are though) |
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| 09:51.22 | Sho_ | Enverex: Err, sorry, additional themes would be, the default ones are in /usr/kde/3.5/share/icons on Gentoo |
| 09:51.41 | PhilRod | speaking of kubuntu, does kdesu work on it (using sudo)? |
| 09:51.42 | Sho_ | Enverex: Gentoo uses /usr/kde/<version> as prefix for core KDE packages so multiple major versions can be installed in parallel |
| 09:51.55 | Sho_ | lunitik: You'll never turn me into a Debianite ... I find the system much too ugly for that ;) |
| 09:51.56 | lunitik | PhilRod: yes |
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| 09:53.37 | lunitik | Sho_: you're using a debian-based system... why don't you want the same thing, built by competent people? I don't understand |
| 09:53.42 | lunitik | Sho_: its your choice of course |
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| 09:53.58 | Kalidarn | when is the first tech release of KDE 4.0 due? |
| 09:54.03 | Sho_ | lunitik: Because Kubuntu works very well for me, as I've now stated several times |
| 09:54.06 | Kalidarn | i thoughgt it was like august or something |
| 09:54.15 | aegeanlinux | Kalidarn: One day ... |
| 09:54.23 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: Unknown at this point |
| 09:54.26 | lunitik | Kalidarn: tentatively ... October... |
| 09:54.29 | aegeanlinux | Kalidarn: the "technical" releases are called "SVN" ;) |
| 09:54.30 | Kalidarn | ah okay |
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| 09:54.47 | PhilRod | Kalidarn: but the technical release will probably be no more than updated kdelibs |
| 09:55.52 | aegeanlinux | PhilRod: I think it will be more then kdelibs, because doesn't the new kdelibs get rid of functions and other stuff? |
| 09:56.35 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: Obviously KDE 3 applications will not work with any preview (or final) release of kde 4.0 kdelibs |
| 09:56.48 | PhilRod | aegeanlinux: I'm not sure (been a bit out of the loop recently), but as I understand it, the idea was just to give an idea of what kdelibs would look like in kde 4 |
| 09:56.56 | PhilRod | s/would/will/ |
| 09:56.59 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: But the audience of the tech preview release are application developers, who only need the libs for a preview |
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| 09:57.35 | Enverex | How can a theme be called Crystal SVG when 90% of the icons are PNG... it's just stupid |
| 09:58.09 | aegeanlinux | So it is basicly then a port of KDE3 lib-style to KDE4 lib-style ;) |
| 09:58.22 | aegeanlinux | as in the function names and all that stuff . |
| 09:58.31 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: Huh? |
| 09:58.35 | aegeanlinux | so you can port your apps to KDE4 :D |
| 09:58.41 | Sho_ | aegeanlinux: yes |
| 09:58.54 | Sho_ | Enverex: Ask Everaldo ... I think because the previous version was done in Adobe Illustrator and .ai instead of .svg |
| 09:59.08 | aegeanlinux | KK, I thought technical release as in "A beta-ish release" |
| 09:59.08 | smiler | Anyone have any idea of why I need to do the K-meny -> "Logout..." -> "End current session" procedure twice when I want to log out? |
| 10:00.15 | tstaerk | smiler, tried a different user ? |
| 10:00.43 | smiler | tstaerk: negative, but its a brand new install |
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| 10:01.09 | tstaerk | so, one user needs to click logout twice, another once. |
| 10:01.20 | PhilRod | aegeanlinux: no, definitely won't be a beta (or even alpha) release. Not all apps are even ported to Qt4, let alone having any new features or architectural changes |
| 10:01.39 | aegeanlinux | PhilRod: KK. |
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| 10:03.16 | BabaLi | Hi wich player can read rtsp:// stream ? |
| 10:03.27 | Sho_ | KMPlayer |
| 10:03.29 | tstaerk | smiler, move your ~/.kde to ~/.kde-backup and see what happens |
| 10:03.43 | BabaLi | Sho_, with xine or mplayer ? |
| 10:03.49 | Sho_ | mplayer |
| 10:04.02 | BabaLi | Sho_, ok |
| 10:04.52 | Enverex | lunitik, use totem |
| 10:04.53 | Enverex | haha |
| 10:04.54 | BabaLi | i am looking for a good gstreamer vs xine vs mplayer vs vlc :-) |
| 10:05.13 | lunitik | ~punish Enverex |
| 10:05.17 | apt | ACTION forces Enverex to install and use Windows |
| 10:05.30 | Enverex | Already have Windows installed |
| 10:05.31 | lunitik | !lart Enverex |
| 10:05.40 | lunitik | ~lart Enverex |
| 10:06.17 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: re, sry for disappearing ;) |
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| 10:06.44 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: i already downloaded the gutenprint driver, these ones include support for my printer |
| 10:06.50 | lunitik | Enverex: seriously though, totem is probably the worst video player I've ever tried to use |
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| 10:07.06 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: ok... you get it working yet? |
| 10:07.29 | fir3st0rm | nope :/ |
| 10:07.39 | fir3st0rm | maybe i have to set some network settings? |
| 10:07.47 | Enverex | Hmm, this sucks, KDE doesn't follow the XOrg mime association rules and ignores the ones I've set myself in the machinewide mime database :( |
| 10:07.58 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: brb ;) |
| 10:08.09 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you added it as a samba share etc? |
| 10:08.40 | Sho_ | Enverex: KDE 3.x uses its own MIME database. However we co-wrote the shared MIME spec and KDE 4 will use it. |
| 10:08.58 | lunitik | Enverex: I applaud you for giving KDE a shot... but you seem to complain about everything... :( |
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| 10:09.31 | Enverex | Sho_, But I don't have KDE4 now do I, heh. If I go adding all my stuff to KDE3's database and setting that all up i'll be repeating effort that will be redundant when KDE4 comes out anyway =/ |
| 10:09.39 | lunitik | Enverex: (not that some things aren't valid, but you should really try to get into the spirit of it or something ;P) |
| 10:09.55 | Enverex | lunitik, I complain about everything, it's just I complain less about the better things |
| 10:10.23 | Sho_ | Enverex: Yeah, it's non-ideal, but switching in 3.x wasn't possible for compatibility reasons |
| 10:12.38 | lunitik | Else, that would be annoying for everyone :( |
| 10:12.48 | Sho_ | Yes |
| 10:14.14 | aegeanlinux | yes |
| 10:14.14 | Enverex | hmm, it's just I've set up mimetypes in my own XML complete with mimemagic features too and... bleh |
| 10:14.30 | MetaMorfoziS | ouh 3.5.4, good morning |
| 10:14.41 | Enverex | That and the fact I can't find a good decent and complete icon theme for KDE is annoying the crap out of me |
| 10:14.47 | pinotree | Enverex: (don't ask me where) there are some scripts that convert a fdo xml mime to a .desktop kde3's one |
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| 10:18.40 | Enverex | hmm, I think I'll switch back to Gnome till KDE4 comes out, too many things seem.... wrong in KDE3 |
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| 10:19.01 | pinotree | ooh come on, don't be so tragic |
| 10:19.26 | tstaerk | Enverex, what ? I mean, there is bugs.kde.org |
| 10:19.38 | Renze | let him go... we're better off without him |
| 10:19.46 | Tm_T | Renze: untrue |
| 10:19.51 | tstaerk | no, I want to know what we can improve |
| 10:19.57 | Tm_T | all valid arguments need to be heard |
| 10:20.00 | Enverex | I don't mean bugs broken, I mean just... feels wrongm i.e. irritating wrong |
| 10:20.01 | Tm_T | tstaerk: yes |
| 10:20.11 | tstaerk | Enverex, what ? |
| 10:20.20 | Renze | Enverex: kinda like how gnome feels to me? |
| 10:20.23 | Tm_T | Enverex: wishes in bugs.kde.org for that |
| 10:20.49 | Sho_ | Renze: Tipp: Just because you feel someone is behaving antagonistic, it doesn't mean you must, too |
| 10:20.59 | MetaMorfoziS | is there anyway to control kioserver? (To manage the ftp connections taht it opened and etc?) |
| 10:21.01 | Enverex | Ok hold on, I've been trying to get everything set up so I've kinda just been forgetting the things as I went along when the next thing came up so I'll start making a list |
| 10:21.26 | Tm_T | Enverex: sounds good |
| 10:21.37 | MetaMorfoziS | not make a list, ask how can you solve a problem |
| 10:21.37 | MetaMorfoziS | :D |
| 10:21.44 | tstaerk | Enverex, you can make this list on wiki.kde.org, then, others can add things |
| 10:21.55 | Tm_T | and comment |
| 10:21.59 | tstaerk | Enverex, or you can make that list in bugs.kde.org, where it is processed |
| 10:22.29 | Sho_ | (one issue per entry, though) |
| 10:22.45 | Renze | maybe if he didn't whine quite so much... |
| 10:22.59 | tstaerk | Renze, or if you fix his bugs |
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| 10:23.15 | Renze | he said they weren't bugs... it just feels wrong |
| 10:23.24 | Enverex | Renze, actually one or two are |
| 10:23.44 | tstaerk | Renze, if it feels wrong, we should make it feel right |
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| 10:24.08 | Renze | tstaerk: it feels right to me... if we make it feel right for him it won't feel right for me any more |
| 10:24.30 | tstaerk | Renze, you do not know what wishes he is talking about, do you ? |
| 10:24.37 | Enverex | Renze, not if you make it an option, heh |
| 10:24.40 | Renze | no, I tend to tune out whiners |
| 10:24.59 | RockMan | ciao |
| 10:25.06 | Sho_ | Renze: KDE prides itself on its customizability, last time I checked ;) |
| 10:25.31 | Renze | Sho_: yes, and it is plenty customizable... that's why I like it |
| 10:26.27 | Sho_ | Renze: So I see no conflict of interest in making it customizable to the point that Enverex likes it ;) |
| 10:26.34 | Renze | but as somebody famous once said: "You can't please all of the people all of the time" |
| 10:27.20 | Enverex | There are niggling things like Gnome feels more polished but can't really figure out why, but there is also the reason that I dislike Gnome being that they've removed most of the options now where as KDE still has a million and one options in Control Center which is the main reason I like KDE. |
| 10:27.40 | Renze | gnome feels more polished? I feel exactly the reverse |
| 10:28.02 | Enverex | Renze, When was the last time you used Gnome? |
| 10:28.07 | aegeanlinux | Enverex: Install the latest QtCurve, and trust me, KDE will be the one more polished ;) |
| 10:28.15 | Renze | about two years ago |
| 10:28.21 | Enverex | Renze, ... |
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| 10:28.57 | Renze | even recent screenshots make me cringe |
| 10:29.27 | benJIman | qtcurve is great |
| 10:29.36 | Renze | yup, I use qtcurve |
| 10:29.40 | tstaerk | regarding the options-discussion: |
| 10:29.42 | tstaerk | http://ometer.com/free-software-ui.html |
| 10:29.57 | aegeanlinux | I fell that KDE has _alot_ more professional and has alot more power |
| 10:30.25 | tstaerk | states that Linux guys tend to ask for an option "do not destroy all my data" |
| 10:30.26 | Renze | and more integration |
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| 10:30.42 | tstaerk | instead of telling "that stupid program must not destroy all my data". |
| 10:30.48 | tstaerk | joel is rigth. |
| 10:31.03 | tstaerk | that was wrong- he is right ;) |
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| 10:32.19 | Renze | qupada: still no broadband? ;) |
| 10:33.19 | Enverex | Is anyone here a KDE Dev? |
| 10:33.27 | aegeanlinux | Sho_ is :D |
| 10:33.28 | tstaerk | Enverex, a lot :) |
| 10:33.31 | qupada | Renze: you know the deal. from when you sign up, it takes telescum 10 days of fucking around before dsl actually gets turned on |
| 10:33.53 | Renze | qupada: ah yes... forgot about that. I'm glad I'm with Telstraclear and on cable :D |
| 10:34.09 | qupada | Renze: yeah. the non-bastardised service |
| 10:34.18 | qupada | did you get same or next day turn on? |
| 10:34.23 | Renze | qupada: I try to avoid telecom at all times :) |
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| 10:34.34 | Renze | next day, but that was good enough for me |
| 10:34.50 | qupada | that's still impressive |
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| 10:35.03 | Enverex | Tm_T, http://dragonden.org/quirks.txt - That's just stuff I've remembered off the top of my head, I'll keep adding as I go along |
| 10:35.10 | Renze | most of the cabling was already in place from a previous tenant in this room |
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| 10:35.35 | qupada | i signed up with ihug on thursday (2nd), if i don't have to wait until NEXT monday (that is the 14th) for them to get around to enabling it, i'll be suprised |
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| 10:35.47 | Renze | just had to connect it in the box outside, and set the cable modem's IP to it's MAC address |
| 10:36.55 | Renze | the guy was rather shocked at how easy it was to change IP/Gateway/DNS in Linux :D |
| 10:37.07 | qupada | 'the guy' = tech support dude? |
| 10:37.14 | Renze | the install dude |
| 10:37.18 | qupada | ah |
| 10:37.39 | Renze | he had to phone in the MAC address to activate the connection |
| 10:37.42 | tstaerk | Enverex, I have so many questions to your statements - please file bug reports, there I can ask back |
| 10:37.48 | qupada | my dsl model takes care of all that shite. as long as i have the user and pass right for authentication it should get itself an ip from the DSLAM and dhcp should do the rest |
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| 10:38.14 | Renze | qupada: what speed/cap? |
| 10:38.16 | Enverex | tstaerk, I don't really have the time, I've got to get lunch, have a shower then go to work. I have time if you want to query me though |
| 10:38.48 | qupada | Renze: 3.5Mbps/512kbps, forget which data option i chose |
| 10:39.06 | Renze | qupada: 4Mbps both ways / 10GB |
| 10:40.00 | qupada | i'm just waiting until telecom stop being pricks and get on with what they're supposed to be doing with unbundling so isps can install adsl2+ stuff at exchanges and we can get 24MBps down |
| 10:40.15 | Renze | they'll stall as long as they can... just watch |
| 10:40.44 | qupada | i know they will |
| 10:41.03 | Renze | NZ Telecom is almost as bad as Microsoft :D |
| 10:41.09 | qupada | i'm suprised that stupid bitch in charge didn't get the flick after their latest earnings report |
| 10:41.43 | Renze | I bet she's got dirt on most of the upper management :) |
| 10:42.37 | qupada | yeah, if only the government could do what the EU parliament is doing to M$ and charge them $2.5 million a day until they do what they've been told to |
| 10:42.56 | Renze | our government? they're far too limp. |
| 10:43.37 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: what should i add as a samba share? |
| 10:44.03 | Enverex | tstaerk, *poke* heh |
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| 10:58.11 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: umm, the shared printer? :/ |
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| 10:58.45 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: how can i do this? |
| 10:59.06 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: its not that complicated dude... my mother could do it :/ |
| 10:59.24 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: play with it a bit, you'll figure it out... you learn more than way anyways |
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| 10:59.37 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: where can i add it? |
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| 11:00.07 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: please don't make me /ignore you... you need to figure out such basic things yourself... |
| 11:00.39 | fir3st0rm | the shared printer is not shown in the cups webinterface :/ |
| 11:01.22 | tstaerk | fir3st0rm, that's normal, just tell him to add a samba queue, iirc |
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| 11:02.02 | fir3st0rm | tstaerk: what is a samba queue? |
| 11:02.06 | lunitik | tstaerk: its certainly not normal if the printer is shared... |
| 11:02.12 | Sho_ | lunitik: you're being pretty abrasive today, btw |
| 11:02.55 | lunitik | Sho_: earlier was because I was drunk, sorry... right now, fir3st0rm is asking questions he should be able to figure out on his own... its frustrating me... |
| 11:03.00 | Enverex | erm, if I a 64x64 folder doesn't exist shouldn't it use the icons from 128x128? (if nothing inbetween exists)? |
| 11:03.02 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
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| 11:03.23 | Sho_ | lunitik: Threatening with ignore for beginner questions in a user-support channel is not really acceptable |
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| 11:04.26 | lunitik | Sho_: I don't want to ignore him... I want to help if he as legitimate questions... but his questions right now basically amount to "do this for me"... and I'm not in the habit of doing that... |
| 11:04.42 | fir3st0rm | i won't be able to figure out this on my own, i was never able to do this...i added my network to browseallow, but my printer is still not shown, i have no idea what i should do next |
| 11:06.55 | Sho_ | fir3st0rm: unfortunately printing is generally a mystery to me as well |
| 11:08.17 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you're setting up the printer as a samba share... you will need to point cups at the printer (//somecomputer/printername format) ... then it will have you set up driver... then you go back to kdeprint to tweak settings |
| 11:08.52 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: I figured it out in 5 mins... so its reasonable to expect you to be able to navigate the interface also imo |
| 11:09.40 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you will need to configure filters more than likely to get a functional test page print out... |
| 11:10.21 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: (via kdeprint ... which is something I can't help with, because its different for every printer...) |
| 11:12.22 | lunitik | Sho_: the frustrating thing is... the cups interface (localhost:631) was very intuitive to me... I don't even understand what issues fir3st0rm could be having... |
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| 11:13.17 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you're 100% sure the printer is being shared? can you browse to it via smb:/ ? |
| 11:13.54 | lunitik | (in konqueror) |
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| 11:14.21 | Sho_ | lunitik: Well your "you will need to point cups at the printer (//somecomputer/printername format)" assumes that he knows the computer name of the remote box, that he is familuar with a textual serialization of shares in the network, ... there's a lot of advanced computing stuff in that sentence |
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| 11:15.37 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: yep, it's shared |
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| 11:15.49 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: i can see it with smb4k |
| 11:16.02 | fir3st0rm | and i can print from windows machines |
| 11:16.32 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: ok... what is it called? and what is the name of the printer on the network? |
| 11:16.41 | fir3st0rm | btw, i finally found out where i have to add the printer.... |
| 11:16.52 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: yay! |
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| 11:17.17 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you have it added successfully now? |
| 11:17.17 | fir3st0rm | LexmarkZ |
| 11:17.29 | fir3st0rm | yes, but it doesn't print yet |
| 11:18.12 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: cool... told you it wasn't difficult... kdeprint ... play with filters for the printer... |
| 11:18.57 | fir3st0rm | it's a bit tricky if you do it the first time :) |
| 11:19.03 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: (it _should_ show up automatically now via kdeprint if its set to CUPS) |
| 11:19.07 | tstaerk | fir3st0rm, which lexmark ? |
| 11:19.22 | fir3st0rm | z53 |
| 11:20.12 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: I don't recall such difficulties... I'm prone to breaking things until they work though, perhaps you take a more organized approach... which complicates things imo :P |
| 11:20.19 | tstaerk | http://www.staerk.de/thorsten/index.php/Set_up_a_Dell_A920_printer_with_SUSE_Linux |
| 11:20.32 | lunitik | tstaerk: he's not using SUSE |
| 11:20.32 | tstaerk | A920 == z50 |
| 11:20.33 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: definitely! |
| 11:20.45 | tstaerk | should be similar with any distro. |
| 11:21.01 | tstaerk | How to do it with debian: http://www.finebushpeople.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=98/ |
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| 11:21.26 | lunitik | tstaerk: he has the printer set up now... he just needs to apply the correct filters for his printer, and it should print |
| 11:21.37 | fir3st0rm | the printer is not shown in kdeprintfax :/ |
| 11:21.47 | tstaerk | the filters are in the rpm package I am showing you all the time |
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| 11:22.01 | Enverex | Time to go, back later to go over that stuff with you tstaerk |
| 11:22.11 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: ahh... KControl > Periferals > Printer |
| 11:22.20 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: thats for faxes... meh |
| 11:22.30 | fir3st0rm | expected that :) |
| 11:23.18 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: make sure kdeprint (what I just pointed to in KControl) is set to use CUPS... should pick it up |
| 11:23.38 | fir3st0rm | ok it's there |
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| 11:23.59 | lunitik | (cups doesn't like running without drivers etc being functional... ) |
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| 11:25.39 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: Printer > Configure ... there should be something for Filters in there... play with that... (usually postscript is what you want) |
| 11:26.30 | fir3st0rm | but i can't print yet :/ |
| 11:26.50 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: no, because you need the correct filter for your printer... |
| 11:26.53 | fir3st0rm | the test page doesn't get printed |
| 11:27.46 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you should be getting things added to your print que though... they just won't work yet... (printer has no idea what to do with it, because the correct filters aren't present) |
| 11:28.08 | lunitik | (print que on the windows box that has the printer locally) |
| 11:28.30 | lunitik | pretend I said queue in each of those cases |
| 11:28.57 | fir3st0rm | the print box on the windows pc stays empty |
| 11:29.09 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: ahhh :( |
| 11:29.14 | fir3st0rm | nothing in the print queue there |
| 11:30.00 | Sho_ | lunitik: thought about krfb? ;) |
| 11:30.20 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you behind a firewall? |
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| 11:31.03 | benJIman | fir3st0rm: what distro are you using? |
| 11:31.11 | lunitik | benJIman: Debian |
| 11:31.18 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: no |
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| 11:34.01 | lunitik | Sho_: good idea... if he lets me... |
| 11:36.01 | jott | is a konsole dev around on irc? i have a (oneline) bug fix for utf-8 decoding and i am too lazy to open a bugs.kde.org report ... |
| 11:36.07 | lunitik | Sho_: while you're watching... gained any better understanding of this... or you still don't understand? (wondering if I'm being kinda confusing) |
| 11:36.58 | lunitik | Sho_: imo, you could get this set up in no time... strange you say you're not knowledgeable about printing... |
| 11:37.10 | lunitik | Sho_: although, don't even bother trying on the Kubuntu box ;P |
| 11:38.38 | Sho_ | lunitik: Well, for one, I don't print |
| 11:38.50 | lunitik | Sho_: you don't even have a printer? |
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| 11:39.12 | Sho_ | lunitik: Second, having to point my browser to a local web interface for some strange backend daemon I don't want to have to know about to add a printer is inacceptable |
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| 11:39.27 | isolationist | has anyone compiled knetwork-manager here? |
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| 11:40.01 | lunitik | Sho_: imo, kdeprint shouldn't require that... but cups won't start unless it knows about printers... its lame :( |
| 11:40.14 | lunitik | Sho_: can likely do it via CLI, but I don't know how |
| 11:40.20 | fir3st0rm | LexmarkZ "Network host '192.168.0.3' is busy, down, or unreachable; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
| 11:40.20 | Sho_ | lunitik: yup ... and it's unreasonable to expect a user to know that |
| 11:40.55 | Sho_ | lunitik: I'm confident enough in my abilities that I expect I could become CUPS-savvy if I wanted to, but I really don't feel like it ;) |
| 11:41.17 | fir3st0rm | any ideas what's wrong? :( |
| 11:41.38 | Sho_ | I think I don't even have cups installed at the moment :) |
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| 11:42.05 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: can you ping that box? |
| 11:42.24 | fir3st0rm | yes |
| 11:43.16 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: what dist of Debian are you using? |
| 11:43.21 | fir3st0rm | sid |
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| 11:43.52 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: same here... grrr... so should be no different... |
| 11:44.05 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: imo, your network hates you ;P |
| 11:44.15 | fir3st0rm | no, i hate my network |
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| 11:46.45 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: I've told you everything I did to get things working... so I'm out of ideas :( |
| 11:47.17 | fir3st0rm | woohoo |
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| 11:47.40 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: woohoo = its working ... or woohoo = sarcastic damnit |
| 11:47.40 | fir3st0rm | i've added the printer in kdeprint and sent a test page - works :D |
| 11:47.51 | fir3st0rm | working \o/ |
| 11:48.36 | lunitik | grrr... haha... still lame that cups won't start unless you configure it via its interface... |
| 11:49.10 | lunitik | Would have kept bitching about "could not initialize printer" otherwise... lame... but glad its working \o/ |
| 11:49.15 | fir3st0rm | the settings in cups are exactly the same oO |
| 11:49.31 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: yours was easier than mine... mine hated filters |
| 11:49.33 | fir3st0rm | expecting the workgroup |
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| 11:54.47 | deadline- | guys im looking for a user auth. for a raduis server that works on my LAN, do anyone knows about a graphical package works in kde? |
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| 11:55.25 | fir3st0rm | lunitik: cups works :D |
| 11:55.37 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: yay :) |
| 11:56.08 | fir3st0rm | i misconfigured some things in cups, the kde dialogs showed me the right way ;) |
| 11:57.17 | lunitik | fir3st0rm: you just have to set up things in the web interface so kdeprint doesn't bitch about CUPS not initializing... annoying, basically have to set things up twice... |
| 11:58.06 | lunitik | (although, things like OpenOffice.org would have printed after setting up the web interface) |
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| 12:02.06 | fir3st0rm | it's quite easy to set up, but if you do it the first time... |
| 12:05.37 | AegeanLinux | is it normal for people to try and hack into an SSHD server every 24 hours ? There is this dude trying pretty hard to login with users such as ben, test, cvs, svn |
| 12:07.02 | tstaerk | AegeanLinux, yes |
| 12:07.22 | AegeanLinux | dang, it is starting to piss me off. My auth.log file is 60MB already. |
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| 12:08.13 | fir3st0rm | *g* Catastrophe! - Knotify |
| 12:08.27 | jott | AegeanLinux: configure sshd to use another port ;) |
| 12:09.11 | AegeanLinux | well, seeing as I am going to install the newest build of Aegean on it soon. jott, I will have some fun with this dude. |
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| 12:09.50 | AegeanLinux | if I make a username test and password test |
| 12:10.00 | AegeanLinux | Is there a program where I can have a chat with this dude? |
| 12:10.40 | jott | you could try to exploit the bot that scans for weak passwords ;) |
| 12:10.53 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: write user blah |
| 12:11.16 | tstaerk | AegeanLinux, maybe the bot scanning for weak passwords runs on a captured machine ? |
| 12:11.17 | AegeanLinux | I want to change the shell to a chat program |
| 12:11.31 | tstaerk | AegeanLinux, screen |
| 12:11.48 | AegeanLinux | can I set that as the shell for that user though tstaerk |
| 12:11.53 | Renze | aegeanlinux: I once had someone from Japan bruteforcing my ssh port for a root login, even though I had root logins disabled :) |
| 12:12.07 | AegeanLinux | Thats what I have now too Renze |
| 12:12.18 | jott | AegeanLinux: you could try "talk" ;) |
| 12:12.33 | AegeanLinux | bash: talk: command not found |
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| 12:12.48 | tstaerk | AegeanLinux, wall |
| 12:12.48 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: no... no way to start screen automagically... (if you try, you end up with endless cases of screen, because every time user logs in, another screen) |
| 12:12.56 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: man write |
| 12:13.24 | lunitik | or wall... |
| 12:14.33 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: meh... but him in a chroot and fuck with him... you know you want to :P |
| 12:14.36 | jott | or just dump out huge amount of data maybe this will crash the bot ;) |
| 12:14.49 | lunitik | put* |
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| 12:15.11 | AegeanLinux | I know how to do it! |
| 12:15.15 | tstaerk | jott, and if the bot is a captured compi ? |
| 12:15.16 | AegeanLinux | make poo.pl +x |
| 12:15.23 | AegeanLinux | set shell to poo.pl |
| 12:15.29 | tstaerk | AegeanLinux, cool! |
| 12:15.30 | AegeanLinux | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 12:15.40 | AegeanLinux | echo "FUCK YOU!\n";exit 1' |
| 12:15.43 | AegeanLinux | ;) |
| 12:15.52 | AegeanLinux | Easy and safe :S |
| 12:15.58 | tstaerk | AegeanLinux, your bewilderment is too short to crash any bot |
| 12:16.08 | AegeanLinux | but if it is a bot |
| 12:16.21 | AegeanLinux | it prob sends a message to another user that the computer has bad pw |
| 12:16.30 | AegeanLinux | so a human _should_ read it |
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| 12:16.37 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: in my opinion ... it'd be more fun to throw 'exec poo.pl' at the end... |
| 12:16.47 | TheWoozle | rebooting to do diagnostics for the next 12 hours or so, while I drive to GA and back. Baksun... |
| 12:16.49 | tstaerk | but how can you crash a human by delivering too much data... |
| 12:17.09 | AegeanLinux | I agree. Better to just send that message and let it be |
| 12:17.15 | jott | tstaerk: use some offensive text that drives him crazy ;) |
| 12:17.26 | DodoAlien | hi, how to edit the KDM session menu? i got a blank option on it :( |
| 12:17.43 | AegeanLinux | script kiddie ? |
| 12:18.37 | lunitik | DodoAlien: KControl > System Administration > Login Manager |
| 12:18.47 | DodoAlien | ok thx :) |
| 12:18.57 | eastwood | DodoAlien, /usr/share/xsessions |
| 12:18.58 | lunitik | DodoAlien: turn off your stupid fucking away message |
| 12:19.15 | eastwood | yeah |
| 12:19.21 | eastwood | shut that crap off |
| 12:20.03 | DodoAlien | ops sorry :) |
| 12:20.54 | illogical | be nice to the newbies. OR ELSE! |
| 12:21.38 | AegeanLinux | Nothing in everything.log that says jack about sshd ... |
| 12:21.44 | AegeanLinux | only my test login ... |
| 12:21.55 | AegeanLinux | why does nothing happen when you want it to ? |
| 12:22.13 | lunitik | AegeanLinux: because that'd be too convenient :P |
| 12:22.13 | illogical | AegeanLinux: what's the problem? |
| 12:22.58 | AegeanLinux | illogical: someone trying to login as "test" "root" "cvs" "hal" "clamav" "clamd" "micheal" "ben" into my system |
| 12:23.04 | AegeanLinux | :D |
| 12:23.33 | illogical | AegeanLinux: so you want to prevent those entries from showing? |
| 12:23.52 | AegeanLinux | No, just from flodding my auth.log and everything.log |
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| 12:24.28 | illogical | AegeanLinux: oh. i thought this was a KDE problem. |
| 12:24.38 | AegeanLinux | It is in some ways .... |
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| 12:25.25 | illogical | kdm's rc files should be commented so if it logs stuff, most likely in can be turned off there |
| 12:26.06 | AegeanLinux | argh, still no test... |
| 12:26.14 | illogical | I _highly_ doubt KDM is creating these log files. since the person would have to be AT your computer to use kdm... |
| 12:26.14 | AegeanLinux | whats taking them so long (?) |
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| 12:27.48 | AegeanLinux | Aug 5 22:27:42 myhost sshd[3741]: Did not receive identification string from UNKNOWN (?) |
| 12:27.53 | lunitik | illogical: not true... kdm supports remote login (I can't remember the damn protocol name :/) |
| 12:27.59 | AegeanLinux | Renze: Whats the above line mean? ;) |
| 12:28.19 | lunitik | XDMRC or something? |
| 12:28.19 | illogical | lunitik: if the ability is turned on in X. |
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| 12:28.54 | lunitik | illogical: yes... |
| 12:28.58 | AegeanLinux | Renze: Whats the above line mean? ;) |
| 12:29.18 | illogical | and this is usually turned off by default, so again, I doubt that's the problem. |
| 12:29.36 | illogical | unless AegeanLinux specifically turned it on. |
| 12:29.47 | Renze | sorry, was changing settings on my router, only just come back in channel - the other Renze was a ghost |
| 12:30.05 | AegeanLinux | Turned what on? |
| 12:30.09 | AegeanLinux | XDRMC? |
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| 12:30.13 | illogical | yes |
| 12:30.19 | AegeanLinux | No, I use NX, NX does not need that ;) |
| 12:30.20 | Renze | no, changing wireless settings |
| 12:30.28 | AegeanLinux | (NX is the reason I have SSH) |
| 12:30.32 | illogical | ah |
| 12:31.05 | illogical | AegeanLinux: I still don't believe KDM is creating those log file entries :-) |
| 12:31.26 | AegeanLinux | illogical: KDM isn't, My system is |
| 12:31.47 | AegeanLinux | I use "System" lightly ;-) |
| 12:31.57 | Renze | sleepy time for renzes... hasta maĂąana, y'all |
| 12:31.59 | illogical | AegeanLinux: so how is this a KDM problem? |
| 12:32.02 | AegeanLinux | night |
| 12:32.10 | illogical | Renze: sleep well you dirty whore. |
| 12:32.11 | AegeanLinux | illogical: It's not. It is a SSHd problem |
| 12:32.16 | qupada | later Renze |
| 12:32.39 | illogical | AegeanLinux: lol. ok, so turn off ssh logging. |
| 12:32.55 | AegeanLinux | I want it on though. |
| 12:33.02 | AegeanLinux | :P, picky arn't I |
| 12:33.06 | illogical | Then quit bitching about it. |
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| 12:33.37 | qupada | what we have here is a classic 'cake an eat it too' situation |
| 12:33.44 | qupada | i suggest you eat the cake |
| 12:34.13 | luksan | wow |
| 12:34.36 | luksan | i just did a search for "3d mesh repository" on google and "KDE repository" was on the first page of result...hehe |
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| 12:35.59 | unistd | hey, someone known tutorial for to build themes in kde 3.x? |
| 12:36.13 | eastwood | kdelook.org ? |
| 12:37.48 | illogical | luksan: I got a stanford page for my first hit |
| 12:38.06 | illogical | I think you just did DE instead of 3d :-p |
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| 12:43.45 | luksan | illogical: not the first hit |
| 12:43.49 | luksan | illogical: but on the first page |
| 12:44.22 | illogical | I should read better. |
| 12:44.31 | illogical | my bad. :-) |
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| 12:44.58 | steveire | In xfce, you can switch desktops by sending the mouse off the screen to the next one. Can you do that in kde? |
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| 12:45.21 | qupada | steveire: yep |
| 12:45.23 | illogical | steveire: yes |
| 12:45.26 | steveire | oooh |
| 12:45.35 | qupada | lemme remember where |
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| 12:46.17 | illogical | kcontrol -> Desktop -> Window Behavior |
| 12:46.26 | qupada | steveire: kcontrol > Desktop > Window Behaviour > Advanced > Active Desktop Borders |
| 12:47.04 | zimm2 | hmm, seems the translucency issues are just with the "first" konq window opened, it fails to return to full opacity after fading out due to a move/change of focus, if another konq window is opened, it works fine .. and then continues to do so even after the first one is closed.... any idea's ? or am i just being picky considering its kinda new.. ? quite happy it works at all tbh :) |
| 12:47.13 | steveire | thanks. Now all I need is to find kcontrol |
| 12:47.36 | qupada | control center on the menu |
| 12:47.51 | qupada | or put 'kcontrol' at any console, or the run command dialogue |
| 12:47.57 | eastwood | kcontrol command |
| 12:47.59 | steveire | yes. got it in konsole |
| 12:48.02 | steveire | cheers |
| 12:48.03 | illogical | zimm2: you're not being too picky. but such is the state of transparency nowadays. |
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| 12:48.31 | illogical | zimm2: when X get's better at it, then KDE will too. |
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| 12:51.02 | zimm2 | illogical, yeh like i said im happy it works as well as it does.. but was wondering if this could somehow be a konqueror issue (cant see how.. but im no devel) as its the only app thats having issues here.. maybe todo with the ram preload stuff .. |
| 12:53.22 | zimm2 | infact ... it is .. just told kde not to hold any instances of konqueror held in ram, and its fine now.. |
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| 13:00.06 | illogical | zimm2: good to know. indirectly it's a konq issue but not really. I think if you use any app that uses up a lot of memory (azureus, firefox) that this would still happen. |
| 13:00.41 | illogical | but that's jusdt me pontificating, I haven't checked and don't plan to. compositing is just too unstable for me. |
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| 13:02.03 | zimm2 | firefox and everything else is fine ,.. its just konqueror that does it .. and even then only if kde is set to hold a preloaded instance in ram .. which if you have a cpu over 1gig is irrelevant anyway .. |
| 13:02.37 | zimm2 | and if you are running a slower system, you probably wont be running with translucent windows anyway .. |
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| 13:03.14 | qupada | funny, i have a fast machine and no desire for transparency |
| 13:03.52 | benJIman | zimm2: well it would probably be faster if you have any graphics card at all |
| 13:04.01 | zimm2 | qupada, im only running it out of curiosity :) |
| 13:04.06 | illogical | zimm2: I'd tell you to file a bug report on b.k.o. but with the impending arrival of a new KDE i think only really critical bugs are going to looked at for inclusion in KDE's updates to 3.5. |
| 13:04.50 | qupada | zimm2: yeah, everyone goes through that stage, how long it last depends on how patient you are. mplayer didn't play co-operatively with it, so my X server used to crash fairly often, i gave up pretty fast |
| 13:05.16 | benJIman | it's far more stable with the recent nvidia drivers |
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| 13:05.40 | benJIman | video still doesn't get on too well with it though, no other way of causing problems now I can find though |
| 13:05.45 | qupada | yeah, i know. but like xgl it doesn't do anything at all that's actually useful in day to day use of the computer |
| 13:05.51 | zimm2 | yeh im expecting irritating issues, but none so far, and as i cant get drivers for my tv card, i use xpmce for media stuff .. |
| 13:05.59 | qupada | wehn it worked it was fine, i could have see-through video and everything |
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| 13:06.34 | qupada | but if something happens it isn't expecting, everything shits itself and you find yourself back at a login prompt |
| 13:06.35 | zimm2 | benJIman, newest nvidia drivers here, and so far stable |
| 13:06.53 | illogical | zimm2: I'd try to get the TV card working. Mythtv is awesomeness |
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| 13:07.17 | qupada | zimm2: grab yourself yakuake while you're at it too |
| 13:07.30 | qupada | it's kcompmgr's next worst friend |
| 13:07.35 | illogical | lol |
| 13:07.36 | zimm2 | illogical, it wont work mate.. its a proprietory toshiba chip in a qosmio laptop, they wont even release the specs for it .. |
| 13:07.45 | zimm2 | qupada, got it |
| 13:07.59 | illogical | ah. thought you had a _real_ tv card :-) |
| 13:08.04 | qupada | zimm2: ah. was about to ask you what tv tuner. has your laptop got a dvb-t tuner built into it? |
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| 13:08.15 | zimm2 | qupada, yup |
| 13:08.16 | illogical | zimm2: someone'll probably crack it in two years :-) |
| 13:08.22 | zimm2 | thats what im hoping |
| 13:08.33 | qupada | zimm2: that's kinda cool. if only it did work |
| 13:08.50 | qupada | we're finally getting free to air digital tv here in NZ around new year |
| 13:09.07 | zimm2 | thing is .. |
| 13:09.14 | zimm2 | it DOES work with linux |
| 13:09.33 | PhilRod | illogical: there're quite a few bug fixes getting into 3.5-branch, not just critical ones. I'd say file away :-) |
| 13:09.34 | qupada | but... |
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| 13:10.07 | zimm2 | cos the qosmio has an "embedded" quickstart os for watching tv/video etc which is based on "instant-on" and a linux 2.4 kernel .. but its all being kept quiet |
| 13:10.13 | illogical | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS1976138629.html |
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| 13:10.28 | illogical | hehe. yeah that's what the link i pointed to says |
| 13:10.34 | zimm2 | :) |
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| 13:10.52 | qupada | zimm2: well that's not that helpful anyway then. even if you could extract shite from the flash rom with that linux install, you'd have a nice linux 2.4 kernel module |
| 13:11.00 | zimm2 | but just you try getting the specs for the chip ... been casually looking for 6 months now |
| 13:11.18 | qupada | what does lspci call it? |
| 13:11.28 | qupada | (paste it, just the one line) |
| 13:11.32 | zimm2 | 02:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Unknown device 5b7a |
| 13:11.46 | qupada | have you tried googling with that pci id? |
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| 13:12.07 | zimm2 | i have the "recovery" disc for the qosmio player but its all "image" files, and im no coder.. |
| 13:12.14 | zimm2 | qupada, yup, course :P |
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| 13:12.37 | qupada | what kind of images? i'm sure we can arrange something |
| 13:13.31 | zimm2 | incidentally that lspci paste came from yakuake :) |
| 13:13.38 | illogical | lol |
| 13:13.50 | qupada | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-459419-highlight-5b7a.html << zimm2 |
| 13:13.53 | illogical | ASAOF that deserves a loll |
| 13:14.06 | qupada | someone reckons it works with ivtv |
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| 13:14.24 | zimm2 | well, thats where i went with it, and didnt have much luck |
| 13:14.28 | TigreDeSiberie | hello |
| 13:15.03 | zimm2 | everything installed ok, but it wont actually talk to the chip |
| 13:15.41 | qupada | zimm2: i haven't used ivtv, but i imagine there might be some option you can pass to the module when you modprobe it |
| 13:15.47 | zimm2 | and then i gave up, cos it seemed a waste of a winter in the alps to spend it in the pub installing linux apps over public wifi :) |
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| 13:16.21 | qupada | blol |
| 13:16.23 | qupada | -b |
| 13:16.27 | zimm2 | qupada, you are probably right.. as i said i didnt spend too much time plahying with it |
| 13:16.42 | qupada | 'modinfo ivtv' might find something |
| 13:18.16 | qupada | by all accounts it seems to be a hybrid analogue/digital tuner too, which is a bonus |
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| 13:18.53 | zimm2 | probably, dont have ivtv installed anymore as xpmce ate itself and the recovery disc ate linux, so fresh debian testing install atm .. |
| 13:19.31 | zimm2 | yeh its a wicked piece of kit, was sat in a field in the middle of nowhere, picked up all 5 analogue channels , and 60 digi services :) |
| 13:20.04 | zimm2 | except in my house.. where it picks up nothing at all .. |
| 13:20.07 | zimm2 | lol |
| 13:20.13 | qupada | woot |
| 13:20.25 | qupada | internal aerial somewhere in the edge of the screen? |
| 13:20.46 | zimm2 | nah rf cable, and a cheap aerial from tesco's :) |
| 13:21.01 | qupada | oh woohoo |
| 13:21.55 | qupada | i guess if it was internal it would cause havoc being in such close proximity to the wireless aerials |
| 13:22.06 | zimm2 | id love to try the g20 qosmio, but its a bit outta my league pricewise .. 2 100gig sata drive in a notebook .. mmmmmmmmm |
| 13:22.25 | qupada | (not because of the signals, before anyone mentions the frequency difference, just the having another piece of wire in there) |
| 13:23.03 | zimm2 | also, digital signals need quite efficient (correctly shaped) aerials or you dont get shit |
| 13:23.18 | qupada | yep |
| 13:23.28 | qupada | have you seen the crazy aerials some wireless-n gear has? |
| 13:23.33 | zimm2 | hence it wont work in my house.. cos there are pylons out the back |
| 13:23.48 | zimm2 | cant say i have |
| 13:24.06 | qupada | hang on a sec, will find one |
| 13:24.51 | qupada | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1144763512962&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
| 13:25.38 | zimm2 | thats just funny |
| 13:25.38 | zimm2 | id rather have a cable |
| 13:25.42 | shining | it's weird |
| 13:26.13 | zimm2 | and lets you put your computer almost anywhere in the building without the cost and hassle of running network cables. |
| 13:26.24 | zimm2 | not if the building has a steel sructure it wont |
| 13:26.36 | qupada | 802.11n is the first time wireless has a chance of actually being faster than 100Mbps ethernet, it's scary |
| 13:27.38 | zimm2 | we had a nightmare networking a dozen chlets using wireless, each one acts as a faraday cage and absorbs all the signal.. ended up resorting to "line of sight" and cable-tying routers to chimneys .. lol |
| 13:27.45 | zimm2 | err chalets .. |
| 13:27.56 | qupada | yay for cable ties |
| 13:28.11 | qupada | big fuck-off 25dBi parabolic dishes are the go |
| 13:28.16 | zimm2 | abso-fsckin-lutely |
| 13:31.20 | shining | when I increase the font size, it only increase the size of the left panel in konqueror |
| 13:31.35 | shining | but not the size of the files, which stay at 10 |
| 13:31.45 | qupada | shining: you might need to do a logout |
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| 13:32.05 | benJIman | shining: settings -> configure konqueror -> appearance -> font size, for file management font |
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| 13:33.10 | shining | benJIman: why does one part change, and not the other? it's really weird |
| 13:33.19 | zimm2 | well, whilst mplayer works , i aint getting transparent video, .. and the video itself stays on top of EVERYTHING else lol .. c'est la vie, no worries .. |
| 13:33.32 | shining | nautilus does the same btw :p I don't get it |
| 13:33.57 | qupada | shining: log out and back in, you might find it changes after that |
| 13:34.03 | shining | I just did |
| 13:34.19 | shining | it's what benJIman said |
| 13:34.33 | qupada | oh |
| 13:34.44 | shining | it's weird that one part is affected by konqueror settings |
| 13:34.52 | shining | and the other by the control center settings |
| 13:35.28 | zimm2 | muahahahaha |
| 13:35.31 | zimm2 | works now .. |
| 13:35.35 | zimm2 | funky.. |
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| 13:39.45 | zimm2 | just change video driver to X11 (XImage/Shm) nice transparent video ... mmm .,.. |
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| 13:40.49 | qupada | that's '-vo x11' on the command line, for the record |
| 13:40.59 | zimm2 | :) |
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| 13:41.37 | zimm2 | still, its using 100% cpu .. lol .. |
| 13:42.01 | zimm2 | oooh, and my cpu is now 74'C :( |
| 13:42.33 | qupada | now there's a suprise |
| 13:43.16 | zimm2 | heh |
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| 13:44.08 | qupada | i take it you have a not particularly large heatsink |
| 13:44.36 | zimm2 | i have a pentium M 1.73ghz in a laptop ... |
| 13:44.47 | qupada | forgotten about the laptop bit already |
| 13:44.49 | qupada | that could do it |
| 13:44.51 | zimm2 | which fortunatly is safe to 98'C |
| 13:45.01 | zimm2 | or something, according to intel |
| 13:45.53 | qupada | i have one of amd's hotter products of recent years, athlon64-fx53 with 89W tdp. got a big shiny zalman cooler made of copper though, so it stays below 55C even at full load |
| 13:46.34 | zimm2 | nice... my old slot1 athlon would hit 60'c within 2 minutes of booting... lol, and that was only 650mhz !!! |
| 13:47.57 | qupada | yeah, they were great, weren't they? |
| 13:48.58 | zimm2 | hehe, well, it worked despite being seriously abused for years on end.. |
| 13:49.18 | zimm2 | although the cpu fans were so noisy i killed two hard drives kicking the box to shut it up .. |
| 13:49.26 | illogical | lol |
| 13:49.53 | zimm2 | which aint good when 2 days into a gentoo compile/install ..lol |
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| 13:50.34 | zimm2 | actually i still use that drive in a network box, 2gig left out of 20 .. bad sectors ate the rest .. |
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| 13:53.50 | gmoore | my gentoo system has kde3.5.4 installed. i'm using it remotely on a windows system which has an X server running. when i type 'kdesktop' i get a nice KDE desktop with the trash can and such on it, but no menu bar (or whatever it's called, that has the K logo and clicking it brings up your applications list, etc). how do i get that menu bar to come up? |
| 13:54.52 | PhilRod | use 'startkde' |
| 13:55.16 | PhilRod | that's the usual way to start kde, and maks sure the session gets started properly |
| 13:57.00 | gmoore | ahh cool, it started KPersonalizer, going through that now |
| 13:58.12 | gmoore | hmmm, KDE Desktop runs in a seperate window from 'kicker' and 'klipper' |
| 13:58.20 | gmoore | is there a way to get them to run inside the desktop? |
| 13:58.39 | PhilRod | ? |
| 13:58.48 | PhilRod | could you explain your setup a bit more? |
| 13:58.55 | gmoore | nevermind, i think i may have XWin set up wrong... let me play with it for a moment |
| 13:59.30 | gmoore | ah yes. i had XWin set to multi window mode. setting it to single window fixed that. |
| 13:59.46 | gmoore | works perfect now, aside from a bit of font weirdness/uglyness. pretty fast too. thanks :) |
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| 14:06.57 | kbrooks|ALi | hi all. |
| 14:07.14 | Dr_Willis | Howdy all. Im using the 'special windows settings - to tell firefox to get 'full screen' ' applied initially' - but its not going fullscreen. theres still a little space (about the witth of the close button) to the right its still lacking |
| 14:08.02 | kbrooks|ALi | Methinks I have decent memory. |
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| 14:09.36 | onesandzeros | I take it that KDE4 is still a ways off... just out of curiosity, will we see a 3.5.5> |
| 14:09.47 | PhilRod | correct, and I imagine so |
| 14:10.02 | onesandzeros | just wondering, thanks |
| 14:10.02 | kbrooks|ALi | we better not see a 3.6! |
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| 14:10.10 | PhilRod | nope, definitely no 3.6 |
| 14:10.56 | onesandzeros | so currently, the major version is 3, the minor is 5, and the 4 is called what? |
| 14:11.11 | kbrooks | a full rewrite |
| 14:11.24 | kbrooks | no API/ABI Compatibility |
| 14:11.33 | PhilRod | kbrooks: he means the 4 in 3.5.4 :-) |
| 14:11.40 | onesandzeros | yeah, sorry that wasn't clear |
| 14:11.45 | kbrooks|ALi | onesandzeros: bugfix |
| 14:11.45 | PhilRod | onesandzeros: bugfix release, maintenance release, whatever |
| 14:11.46 | onesandzeros | or maybe it was, hehehe |
| 14:13.04 | onesandzeros | 3.5.3 was, for me, bug-less. I always love these .3+ (or even .2+) bugfixes, they work like gold |
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| 14:13.45 | onesandzeros | and then 7.0 was a nightmare, iirc |
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| 14:16.16 | onesandzeros | PhilRod: but you think there might be a 3.5.5? |
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| 14:18.38 | shevegen | Short question, if you right click on the desktop, a menu appears/pop ups. Where can you define the behaviour of this popup menu, i.e. so that it seems to appear from the "top-left" corner first (start place is => where mouse cursor is located) |
| 14:18.54 | shevegen | and with maybe a delay of 0.5 seconds |
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| 14:24.16 | lunitik | shevegen: I don't think you can set that... it tries to be smart atm... |
| 14:25.27 | onesandzeros | shevegen: sounds familiar, but I can't find it... |
| 14:25.29 | shevegen | ok ignore the delay :) is it possible to manipulate that pop-up window? |
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| 14:30.33 | Dr_Willis | You mean the right click - desktop root menu? |
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| 14:31.50 | shevegen | Lemme google, maybe i find a picture. :) |
| 14:31.58 | lostson | good morning all |
| 14:33.01 | clintc_laptop | I'd like to be able to read and delete email messages in kmail from a message window, reading is easy but I have not found a way to delete, please help |
| 14:33.17 | clintc_laptop | or point me to a better channel for the question |
| 14:34.32 | shevegen | Ok, cant seem to find a suitable image. On desktop, you just right-click with mouse, then get that popup window Dr_Willis. I am trying to find out where you can configure it, i.e. its behaviour or looks and so. |
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| 14:36.46 | Dr_Willis | shevegen, if you are right clicking on the desktop - i guess thats the right click menu item. :P check the various kde tweak/hacking/settings pages.. seems about everything can be set with a config file if you want to dig into it enough. |
| 14:37.03 | Dr_Willis | ive seen it tweaked /mentioned on some KDE-KOISK mode page |
| 14:37.25 | shevegen | ok |
| 14:37.26 | shevegen | thanks |
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| 14:39.08 | Dr_Willis | Seen ways to lock out what users can change/do/use and so on. |
| 14:39.16 | Dr_Willis | amazing at how flexable kde canbe. |
| 14:39.35 | Dr_Willis | Not that ive ever done any of that stuff.. ive just read about it. |
| 14:40.16 | kbrooks|ALi | Dr_Willis: gnome int, so they have to write stuff :P |
| 14:40.28 | kbrooks|ALi | isnt* |
| 14:41.01 | Dr_Willis | yep - it pays to be flexiable designed from the ground up. |
| 14:41.39 | Dr_Willis | I do find the kde printer install dialog to be way too... complex, (and it dont seem to work right for me) :P |
| 14:41.46 | shevegen | hehe |
| 14:42.06 | Dr_Willis | but know exactly what to type in the gnome-cups-manager. :P 1 ip, and port 9100. for hpdirect. |
| 14:42.07 | kbrooks|ALi | shevegen: hi btw |
| 14:42.27 | shevegen | yo kbrooks|ALi ... two kbrookses? |
| 14:42.28 | Dr_Willis | seems the term 'hpdirect' is called other stuff by differnet people/developers/companies. |
| 14:43.12 | kbrooks|ALi | shevegen: this one is on AegeanLinux :p |
| 14:43.19 | kbrooks|ALi | shevegen: and in QEMU |
| 14:43.34 | shevegen | never heard about AegeanLinux |
| 14:43.36 | kbrooks|ALi | shevegen: the other one is in kubuntu :P |
| 14:43.48 | shevegen | confuses me :P |
| 14:44.02 | kbrooks | shevegen: #aegeanlinux :-) |
| 14:44.12 | Dr_Willis | BubbaLinux |
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| 14:49.44 | eis_os | Hi |
| 14:50.01 | Dr_Willis | Howdy |
| 14:50.37 | eis_os | I am trying to install nvidia driver on suse 10.1 x86_64 (DVD without any updates), after the installation sysinfo:/ doesn't work anymore |
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| 14:51.23 | eis_os | kio_sysinfo crashes |
| 14:51.27 | Ace2007 | Hi all |
| 14:52.25 | eis_os | if I remove the drivers however, kio_sysinfo still crashes |
| 14:52.26 | Ace2007 | When i type the wrong command into ALT+FT it goes to that url instead of giving an error |
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| 14:52.30 | Ace2007 | how do i get the error? |
| 14:52.52 | Dr_Willis | Hmm.. sysinfo:/ dont work for me at all.. |
| 14:53.10 | Dr_Willis | some day i need to find a list of all the sysinfo:/ fonts:// stuff. |
| 14:53.27 | MetaMorfoziS | what is the function in kcontrol -> peripherials -> digital camera? |
| 14:53.29 | benJIman | there's one in kinfocenter |
| 14:53.29 | MetaMorfoziS | what it can do? |
| 14:53.49 | benJIman | kinfocenter -> protocols Dr_Willis |
| 14:54.18 | Dr_Willis | yea - i was thinking theres a kioslave: or somthing also. :P let me looky :P |
| 14:54.20 | benJIman | MetaMorfoziS: that's for configuring the camera:/ kioslave |
| 14:54.34 | MetaMorfoziS | and i can use my diivam as a webcam? |
| 14:54.41 | MetaMorfoziS | it opened the konqueror |
| 14:54.47 | MetaMorfoziS | camera:/ |
| 14:54.51 | eis_os | "Der Prozess für das Protokoll sysinfo wurde unerwartet beendet." as I reinstalled suse 10.1 now 3 times, I am 100% sure it is after installing the driver (tried an older driver aswell, same) |
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| 14:55.31 | eis_os | so where how does kio_sysinfo gets it's info from? |
| 14:56.05 | MetaMorfoziS | benJIman: ? what program can try it? |
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| 14:56.35 | benJIman | MetaMorfoziS: any kde app, but probably konquerror you'll want |
| 14:57.02 | eis_os | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130058 a related bug |
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| 14:58.18 | MetaMorfoziS | i have konica minolta dimage z6, in the kcontrol listad the dimage z5 in pictbridge mode, i have setted it inmy own |
| 14:58.57 | AegeanLinux | KDE Compile error ::: ksysguard.cc:55:33: error: dnssd/remoteservice.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:59.08 | AegeanLinux | What package owns that file ? |
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| 15:00.36 | Dr_Willis | Kicking - a lot of neat Protocols! - this stuff should get mentioned more! |
| 15:00.46 | Dr_Willis | locate:/searchstring |
| 15:00.50 | baki | hi all, i'm interested in sources of math expression evaluator applet, so can anyone please tell me what is the name of that program or where can i find it? |
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| 15:01.05 | baki | or at least where is kde's applet list kept? |
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| 15:02.41 | baki | where kde keep list of applets (their names, exutables...)? |
| 15:03.00 | mariux | kde-apps.org? |
| 15:03.22 | mariux | do you want the sources to something that is in kde already? |
| 15:03.38 | baki | yes |
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| 15:03.55 | baki | applet that is named "math expression evaluator" |
| 15:04.07 | baki | what is its name and where can i find sources? |
| 15:04.40 | mariux | either here http://websvn.kde.org/ |
| 15:05.00 | lunitik | baki: distro? |
| 15:05.09 | baki | slackware 10.2 |
| 15:05.21 | mariux | or or ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.4/src/ |
| 15:05.39 | mariux | im guessing kicker and its plugins are in kdebase |
| 15:06.00 | baki | mariux: yes, but where to look: kdebase... |
| 15:06.08 | lunitik | baki: ahh... meh... well its in 'kicker-applets' on debian... no idea about slack ... you'd just 'apt-get source kicker-applet' |
| 15:06.09 | mariux | kdebase/kicker/plugins? |
| 15:06.12 | mariux | im just guessing :) |
| 15:06.31 | baki | and, is there any way to find out what is the name of that applet (cause, maybe, there is a site for it) |
| 15:07.38 | mariux | 10sec baki |
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| 15:09.06 | mariux | baki: kdeaddons-3.5.4.tar.bz2/kdeaddons-3.5.4/kicker-applets/math |
| 15:09.49 | baki | vau! i don |
| 15:10.01 | baki | 't know how did you do it:) but tnx a lot! |
| 15:10.33 | mariux | well, i knew it would either be in kdebase/kicker/applets (which it wasnt) or kdeaddons/kicker-applets/ |
| 15:11.19 | baki | tnx, tnx a lot;) |
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| 15:58.29 | steveire | haha! I came back here to ask about borderless desktops again, but I figured it out |
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| 15:59.16 | steveire | I'll have a good look around kcontrol now |
| 16:00.39 | steveire | test |
| 16:00.45 | steveire | hmmm |
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| 16:01.35 | Bakemono | hello |
| 16:01.56 | steveire | hey |
| 16:03.25 | Bakemono | could you please advise, how can I change in Kate between the builtin terminal and the text-field? through a shortcut I mean |
| 16:04.32 | steveire | No idea, sorry |
| 16:05.18 | Bakemono | o.k. :) |
| 16:06.51 | straw | Bakemono: Settings -> Configure Shortcuts... |
| 16:07.26 | straw | and look for 'Show Terminal' |
| 16:08.29 | Bakemono | gotcha, thank you :) |
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| 16:09.23 | ow1 | Has anyone made a dbus monitor similar to growl for the mac? If not, it might be a fun project for me to look into building |
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| 16:11.22 | pinotree | ow1: a dbus viewer? |
| 16:11.34 | steveire | in kcontrol > desktop > behaviour, what does 'allow programs in desktop window' do? |
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| 16:11.49 | pinotree | ow1: like this? http://rohanpm.net/kdbus |
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| 16:47.54 | shining | lol, I exported bookmarks in html format, but it seems I can't import that in konqueror |
| 16:47.59 | DrO|A | how come sometimes the kmilo XOSD volume bar works, and sometimes it dont... the volume is regulated, but i dont get the xosd bar |
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| 16:54.00 | entropy | could someone please direct me to where i could find information on correcting the following. kaudiocreator does nothing when i try rip my CDs (it says it's busy, but nothing ever actually happens). in the syslog i get the following error:program kio_audiocd not setting count and/or reply_len properly |
| 16:55.21 | PhilRod | see if you get the same problem ripping with audiocd:/ in konq |
| 16:55.34 | PhilRod | (see the user guide for details if you're not familiar with audiocd:/) |
| 16:55.36 | PhilRod | ~ug |
| 16:55.39 | apt | The KDE User Guide can be found at http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 16:56.03 | entropy | thanks |
| 16:57.46 | PhilRod | kaudiocreator is using audiocd:/ under the hood (it appears), so you'll probably have the same problem |
| 16:57.48 | PhilRod | but we can try debugging it if you do |
| 16:57.58 | PhilRod | well, debugging/finding the misconfig/ whatever |
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| 17:01.39 | entropy | cdparania works, but is nowhere near as user-friendly |
| 17:01.48 | entropy | (if that means anything) |
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| 17:05.00 | PhilRod | well, it means that your CD drive isn't broken :-) |
| 17:05.00 | PhilRod | any luck with audiocd:/ |
| 17:05.00 | PhilRod | ? |
| 17:05.13 | kbrooks|ALi | hi :p |
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| 17:08.28 | entropy | no, it does not work |
| 17:09.12 | entropy | it just shows tracks 01->99 in various formats, with no cddb info and if i try do anything with it, nothing happens (no errors either) |
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| 17:10.16 | entropy | yea, audiocd:// does not work |
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| 17:57.30 | PhilRod | entropy: sorry about the lag, I was AFK. are there really 99 track on the cd? |
| 17:58.03 | PhilRod | (I've had a bug with audiocd where it showed more tracks than there really were) |
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| 18:04.38 | lied | hi, where is the config from kstreamripper stored? |
| 18:05.05 | entropy | PhilRod: no there are not 99 tracks, only 11, it's not working at all |
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| 18:12.40 | PhilRod | lied: probably ~/.kde/share/config/kstreamripperrc, but I haven't used that program |
| 18:12.44 | PhilRod | entropy: distro? |
| 18:13.25 | entropy | kubuntu |
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| 18:13.55 | lied | PhilRod, no there is noch config, i have already looking there |
| 18:13.58 | entropy | PhilRod: i'm having serious kde issues though, since i upgraded to 3.5.2 |
| 18:14.26 | entropy | my kdm is also still completely unusable. i've had to switch to gdm to use kde (oh the bitter irony) |
| 18:14.51 | PhilRod | lied: maybe ~/.kde/share/apps/kstreamripper? |
| 18:15.24 | lied | PhilRod, no :( |
| 18:15.49 | PhilRod | entropy: hrm, I wonder whether we should pursue this or whether it's worth seeing if something went wrong in your upgrade |
| 18:16.11 | PhilRod | lied: hrm, no idea then sorry - does it use some other app as a backend? |
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| 18:16.56 | lied | PhilRod, yes, streamripper. but this prog is an console based one. kstreamripper is just a interface for ripping music from the internetradios |
| 18:17.00 | entropy | PhilRod: don't worry for now. i'll hang on till 3.5.4 packages come allong and if i still have issues after that upgrade i'll pursue further |
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| 18:17.05 | entropy | thanks though |
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| 18:17.33 | PhilRod | entropy: I guess you've already asked in #kubuntu? (Perhaps a known problem) |
| 18:17.52 | PhilRod | lied: hrm, odd. It should store its config *somewhere* in ~/.kde |
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| 18:18.01 | entropy | regarding kdm yes, regarding the kaudio, no |
| 18:18.16 | lied | PhilRod, i look with locate :) |
| 18:18.29 | entropy | and after my experience in that channel after the kdm questions i'd rather just ask here and preserve my sanity |
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| 18:21.27 | PhilRod | heh, that's out problem here in #kde: we're a) too good at answering people's questions, and b) too nice to shoo people away, so we get everyone's questions on everything :-) |
| 18:25.49 | PhilRod | entropy: if you like I can give you some help trying to find the problem with audiocd:/ |
| 18:26.11 | entropy | sure that'd be nice if you can |
| 18:26.50 | PhilRod | ok, start konqueror from a konsole. Does it give you any debug output? |
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| 18:27.38 | PhilRod | bah, my code is wrong, as usual |
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| 18:33.25 | PhilRod | entropy: any luck with that? |
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| 18:33.50 | entropy | sorry, i got called away from my pc, trying now |
| 18:34.15 | PhilRod | ok, np |
| 18:36.56 | entropy | no messages nothing |
| 18:37.01 | entropy | it just does nothing |
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| 18:38.00 | PhilRod | but it opens konqueror, right? |
| 18:38.03 | entropy | mouse hovering over 'track06.wav' tells me that track06 is 61.6mb large |
| 18:38.10 | entropy | however, if i try copy it |
| 18:38.23 | entropy | here's a screenshot: http://crous.co.za/~clive/audiocd.png |
| 18:38.30 | entropy | with the console in the background |
| 18:38.55 | entropy | it does /nothing/ and just sits there continuing to do nothing, no error nothing, just sit's on 0% |
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| 18:39.11 | PhilRod | this sounds a lot like the problem we had with it on freebsd |
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| 18:39.38 | PhilRod | you might want to check that you have the "correct" version of cdparanoia |
| 18:40.03 | PhilRod | that is, that it's the version intended (by your distro) to be used with the version of KDE that you have |
| 18:40.43 | entropy | hmmrf |
| 18:40.59 | entropy | ok, so a regular updater like myself could get scathed by that then |
| 18:42.25 | PhilRod | well, I've oversimplified |
| 18:42.45 | PhilRod | there was a problem on freebsd a while back caused by a change in cdparanoia, I think |
| 18:42.59 | PhilRod | actaully, I may be talking rubbish. Let me review my logs |
| 18:43.08 | entropy | heh, ok |
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| 18:50.40 | entropy | i still think the fact that this appears in my syslogs: |
| 18:50.42 | entropy | [17277382.352000] sg_write: data in/out 12/12 bytes for SCSI command 0x43--guessing data in; |
| 18:50.43 | entropy | [17277382.352000] program kio_audiocd not setting count and/or reply_len properly |
| 18:50.46 | entropy | is strange |
| 18:52.49 | PhilRod | hard to say - kio_audiocd is probably using libcdparanoia underneath, which is what's *actually* doing the cd access |
| 18:52.52 | PhilRod | (I think) |
| 18:53.35 | sikor_sxe | i wonder wether it is possible to turn off the KOrganizer Notification-module in the systemtray |
| 18:53.50 | entropy | fair enough |
| 18:54.04 | sikor_sxe | KOrganizer module itsself is not loaded itsself in kontact |
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| 18:56.40 | [_]illogic-al | PhilRod: entropy there should be the option in the audiocd:// kcontrol module to do cddb lookups. |
| 18:57.08 | [_]illogic-al | I just checked and I don't have it, so it's possible that it needs some build time dependency to be present. |
| 18:57.27 | entropy | that's not my problem though |
| 18:57.28 | entropy | heh |
| 18:57.30 | [_]illogic-al | but I'm just guessing |
| 18:58.04 | [_]illogic-al | entropy: you're cds wont show the actual titles unless cddb lookups are done |
| 18:58.09 | PhilRod | entropy: sorry, I can't make sense of my IRC logs about audiocd:/ |
| 18:58.24 | PhilRod | [_]illogic-al: that's not his problem - audiocd:/ is showing completely the wrong number of tracks |
| 18:58.25 | [_]illogic-al | afaik audiocd:// doesn't read CD-TEXT |
| 18:58.32 | entropy | [_]illogic-al: no, my audiocd does not work at all |
| 18:58.39 | [_]illogic-al | oooho |
| 18:58.50 | entropy | it shows the wrong amount of tracks, shows no info, and freezes if i use it |
| 18:59.13 | PhilRod | entropy: you said cdparanoia works, right? Do you have, er, the scsi emulation thing set up? (whatever it's called on linux) |
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| 18:59.44 | entropy | PhilRod: no clue, i'm new to linux, i'm more used to freebsd :( |
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| 18:59.51 | PhilRod | oh, heh |
| 19:00.08 | rr72 | #IDLE |
| 19:00.09 | entropy | burncd |
| 19:00.13 | entropy | :D |
| 19:00.17 | entropy | *sigh* |
| 19:00.27 | PhilRod | yay, burncd rocks |
| 19:00.32 | entropy | indeed it does |
| 19:00.37 | entropy | i miss it something horribly |
| 19:00.46 | PhilRod | what's the linux one called again? |
| 19:00.57 | [_]illogic-al | growisofs for dvds |
| 19:01.05 | [_]illogic-al | cdrecord for cdrs |
| 19:01.11 | PhilRod | oh yes, cdrecord |
| 19:01.11 | entropy | PhilRod: cdrecord |
| 19:01.14 | entropy | *shudder* |
| 19:01.29 | PhilRod | entropy: ok, we should see if we can get some debug output out of audiocd |
| 19:01.41 | PhilRod | so you said running konqueror from a konsole did nothing? |
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| 19:01.58 | entropy | PhilRod: i assume emulation etc "works" because i've burned dvds and stuff since setting up this pc |
| 19:02.20 | entropy | PhilRod: yea hung and gave no indication in the console |
| 19:04.08 | PhilRod | can you run any other kde apps from a konsole? |
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| 19:04.41 | entropy | er ... sure |
| 19:05.08 | PhilRod | do they output anything to the konsole? |
| 19:06.44 | entropy | the same thing pretty much that konqueror did |
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| 19:07.39 | entropy | => http://rafb.net/paste/results/OK62b226.html |
| 19:10.44 | PhilRod | bah, scim |
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| 19:11.04 | PhilRod | does anyone know what scim is? |
| 19:11.53 | PhilRod | entropy: hrm, well if KDE apps aren't starting at all when run from a konsole, I suspect something fairly fundamental is broken, which should be fixed |
| 19:12.04 | PhilRod | I guess the audiocd problem is just another symptom |
| 19:12.13 | entropy | eh ? |
| 19:12.16 | entropy | no they are starting |
| 19:12.22 | entropy | sorry, missunderstanding |
| 19:12.25 | entropy | they start fine |
| 19:12.43 | entropy | i just meant nothing is output to the console |
| 19:12.49 | entropy | i get the same error with konqueror |
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| 19:13.38 | iostream | hi =) |
| 19:14.27 | PhilRod | oh, ok |
| 19:14.29 | PhilRod | hi iostream |
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| 19:15.21 | iostream | I guess it's not possible to setup the taskbar to display apps only for the display it is on ? |
| 19:15.23 | PhilRod | entropy: OK, I suspect that the kubuntu packages are built without debug support, which means that you won't be able to get any useful debug output |
| 19:15.44 | PhilRod | entropy: but check kdebugdialog: are most of the entries checked or unchecked? |
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| 19:16.50 | entropy | mostly checked |
| 19:16.53 | entropy | many not checked though |
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| 19:24.51 | PhilRod | hrm, probably no debug support |
| 19:25.05 | PhilRod | that puts paid to that idea |
| 19:25.19 | PhilRod | I guess you've already tried with a new user? (clutching at straws here) |
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| 19:33.24 | rr72 | how do i export my gcc version? |
| 19:33.30 | PhilRod | export it to where? |
| 19:34.10 | rr72 | EXPORT cmd |
| 19:34.25 | rr72 | someone told me but ubotu didnt log that day |
| 19:34.36 | rr72 | was it in here maybe? |
| 19:34.40 | PhilRod | perhaps you should explain more clearly what you're actually trying to do |
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| 19:35.08 | rr72 | i just need to change my version to a little older so that NVIDIA willl find it and comple the headers |
| 19:35.09 | PhilRod | though "export MYGCCVERSION=$(gcc --version)" would do something like what I think you're asking |
| 19:35.19 | rr72 | i need older version |
| 19:35.27 | rr72 | someone told me Renze was it u? |
| 19:35.30 | PhilRod | oh, that'll be distro-specific |
| 19:35.45 | rr72 | i don't think so |
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| 19:36.01 | rr72 | i think it was renze and he uses gentoo and i use ubuntu |
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| 19:38.12 | PhilRod | it's really a question for #yourdistro |
| 19:38.42 | cossidhon | Hi there, I have some problems with konqi, could someone help? |
| 19:39.21 | rr72 | PhilRod~ #mydistro hates me |
| 19:39.32 | PhilRod | cossidhon: sure |
| 19:39.49 | Ardonik | cossidhon: did you expect the answer to be "no?" |
| 19:39.53 | cossidhon | Well, the first problem is that my tools menu is emtpy |
| 19:40.01 | cossidhon | eh, no :-) |
| 19:40.01 | PhilRod | cossidhon: distro? |
| 19:40.12 | cossidhon | kubuntu kde 3.5.4 |
| 19:40.20 | PhilRod | cossidhon: completely empty? |
| 19:40.32 | cossidhon | yep |
| 19:41.02 | PhilRod | kubuntu does weird things to the konqueror interface - if no one here can shed some light on it, you might want to ask in #kubuntu |
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| 19:42.13 | cossidhon | ok, second problem, when I start konqi, it always start with a website I was watching when de machine went down due to some power issue's. |
| 19:42.24 | cossidhon | The page is not my default page |
| 19:42.36 | cossidhon | I cleared my cache |
| 19:44.34 | PhilRod | go to the page you want as home, then settings->save view profile, make sure "save urls in view profile" is checked, and OK |
| 19:45.00 | rr72 | are there logs for this channel somewhere? |
| 19:45.54 | cossidhon | <PhilRod> Thanx, that helped!! |
| 19:46.02 | PhilRod | cool :-) |
| 19:46.11 | rr72 | Renze~ did u help me solve my siglnal 11 error for kdm? |
| 19:46.42 | PhilRod | cossidhon: ok, now you can do me a favour in return - please check the faq (see topic) and tell me whether "how do I set my homepage?" is in it |
| 19:46.45 | PhilRod | :-) |
| 19:46.53 | cossidhon | ok, third problem. I've disabled the bookmark toolbar, but sometimes it get's automagically enabled again |
| 19:47.16 | rr72 | automagically love taht word |
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| 19:47.58 | PhilRod | cossidhon: I'd check that the setting gets saved in the config file, although I'm not sure which config file it should be. Letme see |
| 19:48.20 | rr72 | .kde somin |
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| 19:51.31 | cossidhon | in konquerorrc there is a section called [KonqMainWindow Toolbar bookmarkToolBar]. It has a field named Hidden with a value of "true" |
| 19:53.03 | PhilRod | hrm, the config files for konq look complicated, because they have to handle multiple profiles too |
| 19:53.24 | PhilRod | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.49 | PhilRod | cossidhon: have you checked your different view profiles? (perhaps one has bookmark toolbar visible, one has it hidden, etc) |
| 19:56.36 | cossidhon | PhilRod: Ok, i've enable and again disabled the toolbar and saved my "Web Browser" profile again. We'll wait ans see... |
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| 19:57.58 | javanree | Hi all |
| 19:58.06 | cossidhon | Meanwhile, i'll ask the problem of the empty tools menu in #kubuntu. btw, i've tried with a new user, but stil no tools menu, so, it can't be a profile issue, right? |
| 19:58.24 | rr72 | who helped with my signal 11 error? |
| 19:58.29 | rr72 | is this channel logged? |
| 19:58.39 | javanree | Quick question : K3B doesn't convert MP3's correctly before burning, tracks become longer with loads of blank silence... any idea where to look? |
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| 20:03.27 | PhilRod | cossidhon: that's correct |
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| 20:05.24 | cossidhon | PhilRod: so, are there any system wide settings for konqi? |
| 20:06.11 | PhilRod | yes, but it's a bit complicated and I don't understand it |
| 20:06.19 | PhilRod | well, the second of those at least :-) |
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| 20:29.07 | Dirus | hey is there a way to set a live program to your background? |
| 20:29.40 | Dirus | I don't want to update an image every X minutes, but something more like an application running in the root window |
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| 20:42.55 | PhilRod | Dirus: I think you'd have to kill kdesktop to do that |
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| 20:47.38 | Dirus | PhilRod: ah, too bad, I do like the desktop -- if the only way is to actually have root showing, is there a way to run kdesktop without a background? |
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| 20:49.21 | Dirus | I guess probably not or google would be able to tell me something about it |
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| 20:49.51 | PhilRod | you could try futzing with the settings in control cente r-> appearance -> background, but I can't see anything obvious there |
| 20:49.54 | Dirus | with all this transparency stuff in X11 now maybe "show root" will be an option in the future |
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| 20:52.11 | PhilRod | yes, quite possibly |
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| 21:05.21 | nagulator | hey guys |
| 21:05.29 | nagulator | any news from the KDE4 front |
| 21:05.40 | nagulator | when are we going to see any preview screenies |
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| 21:08.16 | XVampireX | nagulator: don't think any time soon but most likely on tech preview |
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| 21:09.01 | nagulator | :D |
| 21:09.46 | PhilRod | possible tech preview (libs, no apps) in the autumn, but nothing interesting on the apps front till, probably next year |
| 21:10.00 | PhilRod | if you want it to come faster, I'm sure there are ways to get involved :-) |
| 21:10.42 | nagulator | well, we will see |
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| 21:10.53 | nagulator | all I want for it is to put gnome to sleep once and for all |
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| 21:13.34 | gaucharg | oi |
| 21:13.41 | PhilRod | io |
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| 21:19.31 | iarad | oi como vai |
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| 22:03.23 | backtick | hi all.. i couldn't find a single document on writing KDE styles?!! |
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| 22:11.42 | avuton | Does anyone know how I can control the autosuspend/powersaved thing from the command line? I set it with kpowersave and I can't get a remote X atm |
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| 22:16.43 | killertux | some Fluxbox people say KDE is using _hacks_ to get Wine working with KDE(the fullscreen window managent stuff). _TRUE_ or _FALSE_ ? |
| 22:17.48 | killertux | so like KDE do like now Wine is loading lets load our Wine specific hacks window managent settings to get it work better? |
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| 22:18.31 | thegh0st | how can I enable antialiasing for QT? |
| 22:18.37 | thegh0st | im using gnome, but use some kde apps |
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| 22:35.08 | smiler | is it possible to run two (or more) kde sessions at the same time as the same user? |
| 22:37.36 | NthDegree | smiler with 2 X servers going perhaps |
| 22:37.37 | Ardonik | smiler: of course. Use VNCServer, or Xnest, or xinit from a virtual terminal, or whatever |
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| 22:37.49 | Ardonik | You can fire up as many X servers as your heart desires. |
| 22:38.00 | Ardonik | (And your memory permits) |
| 22:38.41 | NthDegree | this is a little OT but does anyone in here use virtualization software |
| 22:40.42 | smiler | Ardonik: I get an error that kde is already running on this display even though I use :1 and my main session is on :0 :S |
| 22:40.51 | NthDegree | smiler use Xnest |
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| 22:41.10 | NthDegree | that runs an X server in a window inside your X server |
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| 22:41.37 | smiler | NthDegree: I'll give that a shot |
| 22:42.03 | killertux | is there hacks in KDE just for making Wine to work better YES or NO and why? |
| 22:42.48 | Alkinoos | killertux: no, because! |
| 22:43.09 | Pinaraf | killertux: give details, we can't guess anything with such questions |
| 22:43.09 | NthDegree | WINE works well in KDE |
| 22:43.22 | Pinaraf | what part of KDE would require hacks for wine ? |
| 22:43.31 | Alkinoos | vodka works better though |
| 22:43.37 | pinotree | and why kde would do hacks for wine? |
| 22:43.45 | hub | Pinaraf: adding software to the menu? |
| 22:43.51 | NthDegree | as in I had the development version of WINE that came with knoppix (my 1st distro which i got on CD before i got the net) |
| 22:43.53 | hub | Pinaraf: like CodeWeaver does |
| 22:43.58 | Pinaraf | hub: that's not a KDE job |
| 22:44.01 | Pinaraf | Wine does that too |
| 22:44.19 | hub | ah |
| 22:44.22 | smiler | hmm.. can I get DRI to work in that Xnest session? |
| 22:44.39 | NthDegree | if the normal X server has DRI then in theory yes |
| 22:45.29 | smiler | it doesnt seem to happy about it |
| 22:45.44 | smiler | I'll try to mess around with it abit |
| 22:46.04 | smiler | also, I cant find a parameter to specify server layout for Xnest, is there one? |
| 22:46.11 | killertux | Pinaraf: so I run Starcraft Demo in Wine with KDE/Gnome and it run fine but when I run it under fluxbox screen is drawn about 10 pixels too low. |
| 22:46.29 | NthDegree | google might be best for this, i just run it normally when i need it |
| 22:47.17 | NthDegree | heh I end up using WINE for games that have linux ports anyway |
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| 22:47.31 | NthDegree | like UT 2003 where the latest patch has no sound |
| 22:47.36 | Pinaraf | killertux: the Window Manager can behave the way it want to behave |
| 22:47.36 | killertux | Pinaraf: so it worked in one older Fluxbox so I regression tested it and found patch that causes it bug still then they clamed KDE uses hacks to get it working on Wine and that it's Wine bug not Fluxbox. |
| 22:47.51 | SmallR2002 | i've got a slight problem which means that i can only configure all my panels and not just one at a time :| |
| 22:47.53 | Pinaraf | anyway, instead of trolling, look at the source |
| 22:48.00 | Pinaraf | you need clue, not suppositions. |
| 22:48.09 | Pinaraf | and afaik hacks are sometimes mandatory |
| 22:48.12 | Pinaraf | in any software |
| 22:48.18 | Pinaraf | look at any HTML renderer |
| 22:48.28 | NthDegree | Pinaraf, hacks are called "patches |
| 22:48.39 | NthDegree | or "bugfixes" if they are needed |
| 22:48.48 | Pinaraf | NthDegree: agree |
| 22:49.20 | killertux | Pinaraf: they "fixed" someting about window positions and after that it get drawn incorrectly. |
| 22:49.46 | NthDegree | killertux go in #fluxbox and WINE about it there :p |
| 22:50.01 | Pinaraf | window position is left to the window manager, .or it should be. |
| 22:50.25 | NthDegree | usually it's left to conf files for games anyway |
| 22:50.29 | NthDegree | e.g. Q3A |
| 22:50.31 | Pinaraf | only fullscreen has to be handled differently |
| 22:50.52 | SmallR2002 | i feel faintly ignored |
| 22:51.14 | NthDegree | pinaraf, my favourite idea for gaming: 1 minimalist arch or gentoo install then startx <game> |
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| 22:51.35 | Pinaraf | my favourite idea for gaming : launch kate, or any sourcecode editor |
| 22:51.41 | Pinaraf | That's the best game I know |
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| 22:56.07 | Pinaraf | killertux: wine isn't mentionned in the KWin sourcecode |
| 22:58.43 | SmallR2002 | ok, i'll try again, does anyone have any idea why on this pc i don't get the option of picking which pannel to configure and am forced to configure the default one? |
| 22:59.03 | Pinaraf | bye |
| 22:59.34 | killertux | Pinaraf: so if you start using hacks because if Wine lot of stuff will break? |
| 22:59.53 | NthDegree | he/she left |
| 23:00.30 | NthDegree | hello# |
| 23:00.41 | NthDegree | KDE != WINE Project |
| 23:01.05 | NthDegree | KDE doesn't care if WINE stuff is buggy, same as GNOME don't care either |
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| 23:01.55 | NthDegree | KDE wouldn't in ANY WAY want to patch their own software to help WINE when it is WINE's job to patch to work with KDE |
| 23:02.22 | NthDegree | sorry SmallR2002 :) |
| 23:02.57 | SmallR2002 | was the wine comment to me? |
| 23:03.03 | NthDegree | no |
| 23:03.07 | NthDegree | to killertux |
| 23:03.22 | NthDegree | just sorry for the wait to be noticed :p |
| 23:03.27 | SmallR2002 | oh, right, good :) |
| 23:04.10 | SmallR2002 | (just to say, kde is great and this is about the first time i've had a major issue with it) |
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| 23:04.53 | NthDegree | hehehehe let me let you in on a little secret, until I used gentoo I didn't use KDE much because of how many distros treat it |
| 23:05.08 | NthDegree | e.g. fedora or RHL |
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| 23:05.27 | SmallR2002 | i like to customize it so it's own mother wouldn't know it, but, that's why i love it because it lets me do so |
| 23:06.19 | NthDegree | so what's the issue then, right clicking the panel and not getting the configuration page for the panel you are clicking? |
| 23:06.28 | SmallR2002 | yes |
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| 23:06.45 | SmallR2002 | i always get the bottom/original panel |
| 23:06.57 | SmallR2002 | and, it doesn't have the normal drop down to offer me more |
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| 23:07.38 | NthDegree | what panel do you want to configure? which one did you add to the desktop? |
| 23:07.50 | SmallR2002 | just a normal bog standard panel |
| 23:08.59 | NthDegree | and the kde version is 3.5.4? |
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| 23:09.21 | SmallR2002 | yup |
| 23:09.37 | SmallR2002 | and i swear exactly the same thing works perfectly on another pc |
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| 23:09.59 | NthDegree | and it's the same version of KDE on that PC? (just checking may be a bug) |
| 23:10.22 | SmallR2002 | it is |
| 23:10.46 | SmallR2002 | although, it may have been originally configured on a slightly older pc |
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| 23:10.55 | SmallR2002 | er... pc -> version |
| 23:11.09 | NthDegree | hmmm no reason why it shouldn't work |
| 23:11.40 | SmallR2002 | mmmn, that's what i said about half an hour ago before i went through every screen in the control center |
| 23:11.51 | NthDegree | try making another panel and mess around a bit |
| 23:12.08 | SmallR2002 | i currently have the original and three more |
| 23:12.11 | SmallR2002 | none work |
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| 23:12.22 | NthDegree | uhh what distro you using? |
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| 23:12.33 | SmallR2002 | debian |
| 23:12.49 | NthDegree | was gonna say if it's SuSE blame them :p |
| 23:12.59 | SmallR2002 | i'll blame them anyway :P |
| 23:13.39 | NthDegree | well an up to date debian :| that's something new |
| 23:14.17 | SmallR2002 | yeah, i'm not one of the old retainers who'll keep their version for the next two decades because it _works_ |
| 23:14.45 | AegeanLinux | hey Renze |
| 23:15.14 | NthDegree | i used to use CentOS and fedora for that reason (that way I had the system that *works* and the system that has the latest stuff) |
| 23:15.45 | AegeanLinux | Update: After the bot continously trying to get into my machine, after the user test logged in, nothing else occured. (SSH) [sorry about topic pinotree] |
| 23:16.00 | pinotree | :P |
| 23:16.04 | NthDegree | but eventually I settled on gentoo (after being nagged by everyone to try it - even those in #ubuntu-offtopic :p) |
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| 23:16.40 | misfit | hi... does anyone know a way to find remote files through KIO fish? |
| 23:16.42 | SmallR2002 | gentoo is great but my stuff has to work 100% of the time |
| 23:16.54 | NthDegree | gentoo does :) |
| 23:16.59 | SmallR2002 | misfit, ssh and slocate? |
| 23:17.07 | SmallR2002 | it glitched over dbus for me |
| 23:17.25 | SmallR2002 | one half of the system wanted one version, the other half wanted the other |
| 23:17.34 | misfit | ssh through KIO? |
| 23:17.36 | NthDegree | dbus was fine for me, you need the hal USE flag |
| 23:17.53 | SmallR2002 | and as the software versions were mostly 0.0.1 or less ahead i returned to debian |
| 23:17.57 | NthDegree | then install HAL and it goes on with it |
| 23:17.58 | SmallR2002 | oh, i had the hal flag on |
| 23:18.09 | SmallR2002 | it worked for two months, then broke |
| 23:18.37 | NthDegree | it's getting better :~) |
| 23:19.10 | SmallR2002 | better isn't good enough :P |
| 23:19.31 | SmallR2002 | i had a server running gentoo fail as well so i don't use any gentoo now |
| 23:19.41 | SmallR2002 | debian gnu or freebsd for me |
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| 23:20.29 | NthDegree | debian unstable and testing I found to be too insecure |
| 23:20.35 | misfit | I want to use grep without recurring to the CLI... but I guess there is no way to do that remotely, "Find Files" does not seem to work |
| 23:20.36 | SmallR2002 | insecure? |
| 23:20.38 | Hokinon | night all |
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| 23:20.57 | NthDegree | stable was very stable and quite well thought out and patched (secure even) but not up to date enough |
| 23:21.28 | SmallR2002 | mmmn |
| 23:21.34 | NthDegree | yes, testing is known to lag well far back with security patches compared to that of other distros |
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| 23:21.52 | misfit | well, I was wrong, it does work, lol |
| 23:22.02 | SmallR2002 | i see debian as the old faithful donkey which was around well before the upstart race horses and will be around well after |
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| 23:22.29 | NthDegree | it may very well be after all look at slackware |
| 23:22.45 | NthDegree | they have a system with none of these modern "patches" |
| 23:22.48 | SmallR2002 | lol |
| 23:23.07 | NthDegree | they either use unpatched, stable software or none at all |
| 23:23.08 | SmallR2002 | slackware... what's my quote about it? i'll find it in a moment |
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| 23:24.07 | SmallR2002 | down with gnome! |
| 23:24.21 | NthDegree | lmfao |
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| 23:24.32 | SmallR2002 | <SmallR2002> natural selections says eat or be eaten |
| 23:24.32 | SmallR2002 | <SmallR2002> not sit on your ass and grow a beard |
| 23:24.32 | SmallR2002 | Comment: in referance to slackware |
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| 23:24.41 | SmallR2002 | there's my slackware quote :) |
| 23:24.49 | NthDegree | i swear gnome zealots are worse than kde ones |
| 23:24.54 | NthDegree | LMFAO |
| 23:25.07 | SmallR2002 | (http://www.v8d.org/qdb/?50 for those who wish to read it on a nice pretty html page :P) |
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| 23:25.50 | NthDegree | gave it a + |
| 23:26.53 | NthDegree | if i find a good virtualisation app i might install debian |
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| 23:27.37 | SmallR2002 | that's my qdb btw, do feel free to add your own quotes and browse it :) |
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| 23:28.38 | henriquev | anyone can give me a light about how can I create a HDR image using the images I've took with my brand new digital camera? (what I need to do now is to 'merge' the pictures...) |
| 23:31.30 | Ausmosis | henriquev : I'm not sure if there are any HDR apps for linux. I could be wrong though. Maybe Digikam does it with plugins *shrugs* |
| 23:31.39 | henriquev | Ausmosis: there is a lot :) |
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| 23:32.02 | henriquev | well, I'm going to see if there is any plugin :) |
| 23:32.22 | henriquev | I known Krita deal with hdr files... Now I'm going to see if MakeHDR (mkhdr) works nice... |
| 23:32.29 | henriquev | http://www.debevec.org/FiatLux/mkhdr/ |
| 23:32.40 | henriquev | If it does I'm going to get Krita and work with it :) |
| 23:32.44 | Ausmosis | henriquev : Oh!... well I might have to start looking then. I just started messing with HDR images but I do it on my windows machine at the moment. |
| 23:32.57 | Ausmosis | thanks for the link :) |
| 23:33.03 | henriquev | ok, just a question then... |
| 23:33.16 | henriquev | what equipament do you use to take shots? |
| 23:33.58 | henriquev | my two new ones are a Canon Powershot S2 IS and the other a Powershot A430. But I'm supposed to work more with the S2 IS as the other is of my mother... |
| 23:34.06 | henriquev | do you get nice results? :) |
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| 23:34.24 | henriquev | (if you use a camera with no RAW) |
| 23:34.43 | Ausmosis | I currently use my Fuji S5000 and takes minimum 3 shots at various exposures.I then blend the images in Photomatix Pro |
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| 23:35.40 | Ausmosis | Any camera can do it as long as you can manually change the exposures. If its a fully automatic camera you will not really be able to do it. |
| 23:36.16 | Ausmosis | Makes sure you use a tripod too |
| 23:36.30 | SmallR2002 | NthDegree, you thought of anything yet? |
| 23:37.30 | Ausmosis | henriquev : my results are OK... I'm still learning and just messing around at the moment. I have a mate who does great shots. |
| 23:37.32 | henriquev | Yes, I used my tripod |
| 23:37.34 | NthDegree | maybe rename your kde ~/.kde (and all associated pref files/folder in ~/) to something else and see what happens on an uncustomised config |
| 23:37.52 | NthDegree | maybe it's a bug that can be resolved by recustomising it |
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| 23:38.55 | SmallR2002 | quoth topic: Don't delete ~/.kde :P |
| 23:39.28 | NthDegree | rename it ! |
| 23:39.41 | NthDegree | then it can be put back incase of emergency |
| 23:39.43 | SmallR2002 | waaaaah! |
| 23:39.47 | henriquev | Ausmosis: it isn't auto... I took a lot of shots (about 10) in different expositures, but then realize that I did not see the appearture to be fixed, so I think I'm going to do the work again... :) |
| 23:39.47 | SmallR2002 | i've got the beatles on :( |
| 23:40.52 | Ausmosis | henriquev : My friends site http://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgebackzulu |
| 23:41.09 | Ausmosis | get in touch with im and he might be able to give you some great tips. |
| 23:41.17 | Ausmosis | him* |
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| 23:43.08 | henriquev | ok :) |
| 23:43.12 | henriquev | Ausmosis: do you use flickr? |
| 23:44.08 | Ausmosis | I have an account but it's only new and haven't really uploaded anything yet other than a few macro shots. I'm right into macro photography. |
| 23:44.18 | Ausmosis | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgebackzulu/175878781/ |
| 23:44.20 | henriquev | I use it, mine is http://flickr.com/photos/henriquev/ but the newer photos are just of someone "without a camera"... (I passed about 4 months without one), now I'm going to be back with the first photo being a HDR\... :P |
| 23:44.24 | Ausmosis | thats a good HDR image |
| 23:44.28 | henriquev | I like macro |
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| 23:45.46 | SmallR2002 | an x restart did it :| |
| 23:46.34 | Ausmosis | henriquev : http://www.users.on.net/~falcidi/dscf3410_640_x_480_refocused.jpg |
| 23:46.44 | Ausmosis | one of my photos |
| 23:47.09 | henriquev | great :) |
| 23:47.16 | Ausmosis | http://www.users.on.net/~falcidi/dscf3422_640_x_480_refocused.jpg |
| 23:47.38 | Ausmosis | I have a few photos at http://www.users.on.net/~falcidi/ |
| 23:47.45 | henriquev | ok |
| 23:47.47 | Ausmosis | no HDR yet though.... |
| 23:49.11 | henriquev | :) |
| 23:50.25 | Ausmosis | I took some images with my CanonA30 as well. There are some photo's there of my camera setup both Fuji and Canon with a reverse lens. |
| 23:51.43 | Ausmosis | http://www.users.on.net/~falcidi/canon_macro_setup.jpg thats the canon setup |
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| 23:58.21 | henriquev | :) |
