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| 00:06.48 | storyteller | Hello all |
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| 00:32.36 | IceD^ | strange thing |
| 00:32.57 | IceD^ | when I set bitmap font in konsole (like terminus) it redraws really fast |
| 00:33.29 | IceD^ | but if I set some TTF (like bitstream-vera-sans-mono) redraw is DAMN slow |
| 00:33.39 | IceD^ | the same in konqui |
| 00:33.53 | IceD^ | I remember, situation was better in 3.4 |
| 00:33.56 | IceD^ | any ideas? |
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| 00:42.53 | uludag | merhaba |
| 00:43.12 | uludag | orda beni duyan varmı |
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| 00:46.25 | Ze_M | if using windows with a NTFS psrtition i can acess it with write perms through linux? |
| 00:48.52 | HuntsMan | Ze_M: no, Linux can't write into NTFS |
| 00:49.06 | Ze_M | fat32? |
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| 00:49.40 | HuntsMan | yep |
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| 00:52.01 | IceD^ | Ze_M: actually, you can |
| 00:52.09 | IceD^ | 1. captive (ntfs.sys required) |
| 00:52.20 | IceD^ | 2. paragon ntfs driver ($$) |
| 00:52.49 | IceD^ | but better solution (if you need to use windows for some reason) is to use ext2 as exchange partition |
| 00:52.58 | IceD^ | there is IFS EXT2 driver for windows |
| 00:53.25 | Ze_M | so far i used parangon and put an ext partition to acess windows/linux |
| 00:53.47 | Ze_M | but i thougt that ntfs now was already acessible through linux as a regular standard... |
| 00:54.38 | IceD^ | Ze_M: ntfs should be eradicated from the face of earth |
| 00:54.57 | Ze_M | ? |
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| 01:02.20 | HuntsMan | Ze_M: :), basically, NTFS sucks |
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| 01:08.05 | Hairulfr | Hi all - hmm, I've forgotten how you turn on transparancy and turn off the left side blue kde gfx in the K-menu, anyone plz? (embarrasing as it is...) |
| 01:10.04 | qupada | transparency is in (kcontrol) appearance and themes>style>effects (software transparency) or desktop>window behaviour>translucency (hardware transparency). k menu image is desktop>panels>menus |
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| 01:21.22 | Hairulfr | qupada: Thanks a lot :) I've just gotten Suse (finally) to work on my mac. |
| 01:21.34 | qupada | nice |
| 01:21.54 | qupada | i convinced a friend of mine (after about 3 weeks of trash-talking macos) to put gentoo on his powerbook |
| 01:24.09 | Hairulfr | quapada: It's an old G3 500 mhz, but it actually runs faster under Linux than Osx :/ |
| 01:24.58 | Hairulfr | SO, bye bye osx... Had yellow dog and then kubuntu, but Suse does it the best so far, except for the bootloader install, which it in contrast to all other PPC distros cant install itself |
| 01:26.01 | qupada | i've never installed linux on a mac myself, but i had a quick skim through the gentoo/ppc handbook and it looked pretty painless |
| 01:27.10 | Hairulfr | Yeah, Kubuntu and Yellowdog is painless as well, just pop in the cd and it runs |
| 01:27.54 | qupada | when i say painless, of course i mean as painless as gentoo can be |
| 01:28.23 | Hairulfr | I considerede Gentoo - but gave up after looking at the manual ;) |
| 01:28.40 | Hairulfr | YD / Kubuntu was a breeze |
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| 01:29.26 | treat | gentoo has a gui installer now |
| 01:29.43 | qupada | it's not that bad, the install process is fairly easy if you just do what the book says |
| 01:29.45 | Hairulfr | Nice - kubuntu didnt |
| 01:29.57 | qupada | yeah, but it's still got a big fat "BETA" label and no guarantee it will actually work |
| 01:30.03 | Hairulfr | Haha |
| 01:30.13 | treat | its gnome though ^_^ |
| 01:30.17 | Q-collective | 2006.0 ships with the gui |
| 01:30.23 | Q-collective | no longer beta |
| 01:30.32 | Hairulfr | GODS! Why can't I find any working repos. for Mp3!!! Nothing works :( |
| 01:30.53 | qupada | Q-collective: x86 does, yes. no other arch |
| 01:31.13 | Q-collective | fair enough |
| 01:31.14 | Q-collective | ;) |
| 01:32.16 | Hairulfr | ARGHHH |
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| 01:35.13 | nefertum | hi, do you know if konqueror allows to search in the web like mozilla? I mean, start searching when a key is pressed |
| 01:37.29 | firephoto | nefertum: use the / key |
| 01:37.35 | nefertum | mmm |
| 01:37.49 | nefertum | bohhh, it's great!! |
| 01:37.53 | nefertum | thanks firephoto |
| 01:39.20 | Hairulfr | firephoto: Nice! |
| 01:39.54 | firephoto | heh.. f3 when you want to search more for the same typed word |
| 01:40.57 | nefertum | yeah |
| 01:41.20 | qupada | what's the name of the app that redirects output from sound-playing apps to arts to avoid conflicts and stuff? |
| 01:41.39 | qupada | i haven't used arts in a long time, trying to give someone a sensible answer as to how to use it |
| 01:41.56 | firephoto | artsdsp -m isn't it? |
| 01:42.08 | qupada | i don't know... is it? |
| 01:42.17 | qupada | sounds good though |
| 01:42.19 | qupada | thanks |
| 01:42.23 | firephoto | yeah.. -m helps for games.. i think heh |
| 01:43.19 | fredE | kpdf 3.5.1 wrongly renders all images rotated at 90 degrees. anyone else experience this? |
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| 01:47.34 | Ze_M | HuntsMan: why NTFS sucks? |
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| 01:52.30 | Q-collective | Ze_M: it's a non-open spec filesystem for starters and it has lots of technical limitations like a high degree of fragmentation and not being able to cope with it |
| 01:52.31 | Q-collective | etc |
| 01:52.52 | Ze_M | Q-collective: cope with it? |
| 01:53.14 | Q-collective | yes, the more fragmented it gets, the slower it gets |
| 01:53.27 | Ze_M | ntfs is faster than fat |
| 01:53.49 | Q-collective | yes, fat is even worse |
| 01:54.08 | Ze_M | lol |
| 01:54.16 | Ze_M | so what would i use for windows |
| 01:54.36 | Q-collective | ntfs, since it can't use anything better |
| 01:54.51 | Ze_M | thats what i thought... |
| 01:55.05 | Q-collective | and you always just have the option not to waste your hardware on such crappy software.. |
| 01:55.08 | DietrichR | Stfu about NTFS |
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| 01:55.27 | Ze_M | i need to install windowzzz |
| 01:55.36 | Q-collective | DietrichR: agreed, it's hardly worthy of any mention |
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| 01:58.26 | Hairulfr | DietrichR: Lol |
| 01:58.40 | Ze_M | is possible to convert ntfs into fat32? |
| 01:59.03 | Q-collective | no |
| 01:59.23 | Ze_M | so ill will bot be able to write in ntfs throught linux |
| 01:59.36 | Ze_M | not be able* |
| 01:59.53 | Q-collective | ntfs write support is getting better, be it very slowly |
| 02:01.29 | Ze_M | so should i use fat322... ? |
| 02:02.17 | qupada | Ze_M: there is a tool called captive that uses windows' own ntfs.sys and wine to do real, safe write (but slow-ish) access, but it only runs on x86 |
| 02:02.36 | qupada | so if you have x86, you're in luck. if you have amd64 like me, it won't work |
| 02:02.47 | Ze_M | i have both |
| 02:02.59 | Ze_M | still i can install 32bit in 64 bit |
| 02:03.33 | Ze_M | using vmware for example |
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| 02:15.19 | pwuertz | hi |
| 02:16.12 | pwuertz | i'm searching for a thumbnail preview for videos in konqueror... it there such an option? i cant find one... |
| 02:17.23 | Ze_M | pwuertz: no |
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| 02:18.37 | pwuertz | k thanks |
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| 04:11.21 | elzoona | Hello/Hol |
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| 04:59.09 | YuuKajima | anyone in here have an ATI Radeon X300 or similar card and got the OpenGL screensavers to work without lag? |
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| 05:02.02 | blockd | YuuKajima: this might be OT for this channel.. but are you using the OpenGL overlay? Try running glxgears then using ksnapshot on the desktop. |
| 05:02.25 | blockd | it might not matter though... but it might help a little |
| 05:03.02 | YuuKajima | blockd, not sure. I have installed the ati drivers and set my opengl interface to ati, and tried the screensavers but they are laggy a bit, particularly the Euphoria one |
| 05:03.09 | YuuKajima | which sucks cause that's the one I like XD |
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| 05:06.26 | blockd | does "fglrxinfo" say the render is an ATI card? You could also make a backup of your X config and try something like "aticonfig --ovt=opengl --ovon=0". |
| 05:06.49 | blockd | anyhoo, there's also an #ati channel on freenode, but I don't know how talkative it is. |
| 05:06.57 | YuuKajima | alrighty, I shall right that down and try it out, I will need to reboot first |
| 05:07.18 | blockd | shouldn't have to reboot (just restart the X server). |
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| 05:07.39 | YuuKajima | blockd, if only it were possible to play Maple Story in Gentoo, then I would have no need for Windows...XD |
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| 05:07.54 | kantlivelong | sup all |
| 05:08.04 | kantlivelong | is there a way to delete away messages from kopete? |
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| 05:11.32 | blockd | YuuKajima: anyway, the point of ksnapshot is that if you are using a hardware overlay then instead of glxgears in the screen capture, you'll see a black window. |
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| 05:12.15 | YuuKajima | blockd, so seeing black gears is good or bad? |
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| 05:13.21 | YuuKajima | er not black gears, seeing a black screen? |
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| 05:14.05 | ^_-yairgo` | when i do startx i get "XIO fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining." does anyone know how to fix this |
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| 05:16.12 | ^_-yairgo` | when i do startx i get "XIO fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining." does anyone know how to fix this using with gentoo and kde version 3.4 |
| 05:16.41 | YuuKajima | sorry, I dont, that's a whole new error to me |
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| 05:21.13 | shiznix | i'm trying to configure a usb mass storage stick to auto-mount when it's plugged in but the only options given in Peripherals > Storage media are to 'Open in a new window' or 'Do nothing' |
| 05:21.40 | ^_-yairgo` | YuuKajima do you use gentoo? |
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| 05:22.43 | YuuKajima | ^_-yairgo, of course |
| 05:23.03 | shiznix | i can add in a custom automount action, pmount-hal works on the command line, but i can't seem to find the flag to have kde pass the proper device name to pmount-hal |
| 05:23.29 | shiznix | eg. to 'Open in a new window' the application is 'konqueror %u' |
| 05:23.31 | ^_-yairgo` | YuuKajima i built my kernel and emerged kde, using a kde howto off of the gentoo-wiki, what else do i have to do to get it started? |
| 05:23.50 | ^_-yairgo` | YuuKajima ive also emerged my ati-drivers |
| 05:24.01 | YuuKajima | ^_-yairgo`, that depends on what you want to use your system for |
| 05:24.19 | ^_-yairgo` | YuuKajima i just want to get the graphics interface to work so i can use opengl |
| 05:24.48 | YuuKajima | ^_-yairgo`, well, what graphic card do you have? |
| 05:24.51 | ^_-yairgo` | ati |
| 05:24.53 | shiznix | to automount would be 'pmount-hal ??' |
| 05:24.53 | ^_-yairgo` | 200m |
| 05:26.53 | YuuKajima | ^_-yairgo`, in that case, try merging the ati-drivers. If it fails, follow the directions as there is specific options you need |
| 05:26.55 | YuuKajima | after that is done |
| 05:27.03 | ^_-yairgo` | i have ati-drivers already |
| 05:27.23 | YuuKajima | execute: aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf and then opengl-update ati or eselect opengl set ati |
| 05:28.06 | YuuKajima | aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf and then opengl-update ati or eselect opengl set ati <----just do that then |
| 05:28.42 | ^_-yairgo` | i did aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf and it says Warning: could not find configuration file please copy configuration file template etx/X11 |
| 05:29.04 | YuuKajima | did you even configure X yet? |
| 05:29.22 | ^_-yairgo` | apparently not, i dont know how |
| 05:29.31 | shiznix | aah...got it |
| 05:29.40 | shiznix | kio_media_mounthelper %u |
| 05:29.49 | YuuKajima | okay |
| 05:29.50 | YuuKajima | well |
| 05:29.51 | ^_-yairgo` | is that the configuring video in X11 part? |
| 05:29.55 | YuuKajima | it's as simple as this: |
| 05:29.57 | YuuKajima | xorgconfig |
| 05:30.12 | YuuKajima | and then follow it's directions and make sure you know your graphic card and ur keyboard |
| 05:30.17 | ^_-yairgo` | yes |
| 05:30.19 | ^_-yairgo` | i see this now |
| 05:30.27 | ^_-yairgo` | is there a way to find the exact specics on those? |
| 05:30.35 | YuuKajima | hmm |
| 05:30.35 | YuuKajima | well |
| 05:30.51 | ^_-yairgo` | and mouse also, becuase i only hafve a touch pad at the moment |
| 05:30.54 | YuuKajima | lspci shows ur graphic card model |
| 05:30.57 | YuuKajima | your mouse is probably PS/2 and set as /dev/input/mice |
| 05:31.03 | YuuKajima | yeah |
| 05:31.13 | YuuKajima | ur mouse is prolly PS/2 and set as /dev/input/mice |
| 05:31.22 | YuuKajima | what laptop do you have? |
| 05:31.48 | ^_-yairgo` | presario v2000 |
| 05:31.54 | YuuKajima | ah |
| 05:31.55 | YuuKajima | hmm |
| 05:32.00 | YuuKajima | what company makes that one again? |
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| 05:32.04 | ^_-yairgo` | compaq |
| 05:32.20 | YuuKajima | okay |
| 05:32.22 | YuuKajima | so for the keyboard |
| 05:32.22 | YuuKajima | find the compaq keyboard layout |
| 05:32.25 | YuuKajima | and it's probably US English layout |
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| 05:32.42 | YuuKajima | ur ati card driver in the database will be ati radeon |
| 05:32.57 | YuuKajima | ur resolution depends on how big your screen is |
| 05:33.19 | ^_-yairgo` | i dont see my keyboard layout, there isnt a US english layout |
| 05:33.22 | YuuKajima | your sync range is prolly between 40 and 100 |
| 05:33.30 | YuuKajima | well, first select compaq's layout |
| 05:33.36 | YuuKajima | and then select the US English |
| 05:33.46 | ^_-yairgo` | yeah but there inst a compaq layout |
| 05:33.53 | YuuKajima | hmm |
| 05:33.59 | YuuKajima | there's nothing to do with compaq? |
| 05:34.03 | ^_-yairgo` | nothing at all |
| 05:34.09 | ^_-yairgo` | not even hewlett packard |
| 05:34.14 | YuuKajima | try pressing enter for more |
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| 05:34.20 | YuuKajima | it'll scrill down the list |
| 05:34.24 | YuuKajima | *scroll |
| 05:34.26 | ^_-yairgo` | ok ok |
| 05:34.42 | ^_-yairgo` | laptop/notebook compaq(eg armade, evo) laptop keyboard |
| 05:35.08 | YuuKajima | that could work, I've never used a presario before, but believe me, you'll know if it works when you boot kde XD |
| 05:35.11 | ^_-yairgo` | ok so i got the keybaord and country and it asked for a variant name for the layout? |
| 05:35.17 | xoctopusx | Hey all it's me again, I was wondering what extension should I save an open office writer document so i can be opened in MS Office? |
| 05:35.21 | YuuKajima | just push enter for default |
| 05:35.38 | ^_-yairgo` | yeah i did |
| 05:35.42 | YuuKajima | xoctopusx, I would save it in .doc for 2000/ME/XP |
| 05:35.45 | ^_-yairgo` | so how can i find the refresh rate lol? |
| 05:35.47 | YuuKajima | okay good |
| 05:35.50 | YuuKajima | now what does it want? |
| 05:35.59 | xoctopusx | that simple, wow! |
| 05:36.16 | YuuKajima | yup |
| 05:36.34 | xoctopusx | impressive, I'm doing a resume for my mother, does it have a resume wizard like MS? I don't see one so far. |
| 05:37.05 | YuuKajima | xoctopusx, I'm actually not sure. I don't use resume builders, I just try to write my own |
| 05:37.25 | xoctopusx | <kind of a resume n00b |
| 05:37.30 | YuuKajima | well |
| 05:37.34 | YuuKajima | what I do is this: |
| 05:38.05 | YuuKajima | Objective, Work/Volunteer History, Qualifications, Awards and Education, and Relative Interests |
| 05:38.06 | blockd | YuuKajima: I assumed for some reason you were using fglrx. If it's the open source radeon driver, I don't remember if that supports an X300... anyway, that being all l I can really say right now. |
| 05:38.24 | YuuKajima | blockd, I am using fglrx |
| 05:38.32 | xoctopusx | fair enough. I have a rough draft though its written on paper. |
| 05:39.42 | xoctopusx | thank you ,once again you fine people have saved me a load of time researching stuff like this on google...MS doesn't have support like this,which is why linux and KDE are simply better. |
| 05:39.46 | YuuKajima | blockd, do you happen to know if an X300 is better than a 9600? |
| 05:40.10 | YuuKajima | xoctopusx, not a problem, and yes, linux pwns windows XD |
| 05:40.57 | xoctopusx | :) I just love seeing that here, thanks and good night all. I'm off to write the resume of a lifetime for my mom. |
| 05:41.04 | blockd | YuuKajima: well fglrx will have issues with the overlay since you can only have opengl or video overlay enabled at a time without restarting the X server AFAIK. |
| 05:41.46 | YuuKajima | blockd, is THAT why I can't watch videos a lot of times and I get errors saying that the video device is in use? |
| 05:42.20 | ^_-yairgo` | YuuKajima i finished the file and it still gives me the same error? |
| 05:42.31 | YuuKajima | really? |
| 05:42.34 | YuuKajima | wow... |
| 05:42.37 | ^_-yairgo` | well i got a new error above it |
| 05:42.39 | ^_-yairgo` | says |
| 05:42.45 | YuuKajima | verify that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is existen |
| 05:42.49 | YuuKajima | *existent |
| 05:42.54 | ^_-yairgo` | it is |
| 05:43.08 | YuuKajima | okay, well, what's the error? |
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| 05:44.10 | ^_-yairgo` | when i do startX i get about 100 lines of Elf_RelocateEntry() Unsupported relocation type 4 |
| 05:44.13 | ^_-yairgo` | then one line says |
| 05:44.21 | ^_-yairgo` | Elf_RelocateEntry() Unsupported relocation type 9 |
| 05:44.47 | ^_-yairgo` | and then below it says *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, themight not be the reason for the server aborting. |
| 05:44.52 | ^_-yairgo` | Fatal server error: |
| 05:44.53 | YuuKajima | hmm, I'm no expert with that, but it looks to me like your ELF binaries are messed up somehow o_O |
| 05:45.05 | ^_-yairgo` | Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 05:45.09 | YuuKajima | well |
| 05:45.14 | ^_-yairgo` | http://wiki.X.org |
| 05:45.15 | YuuKajima | I'll sa this: |
| 05:45.15 | ^_-yairgo` | lol |
| 05:45.18 | YuuKajima | *say |
| 05:45.27 | YuuKajima | I find that startx is very insecure |
| 05:45.34 | ^_-yairgo` | so i should use? |
| 05:45.37 | YuuKajima | because people forget to put startx; logout |
| 05:45.45 | YuuKajima | thus you leave a root shell open |
| 05:46.00 | YuuKajima | what I would do is execute: /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 05:46.02 | YuuKajima | but before that |
| 05:46.07 | YuuKajima | nano -w /etc/rc.conf |
| 05:46.24 | YuuKajima | and besure DISPLAYMANAGER is not commented out and is set to kdm |
| 05:46.33 | ^_-yairgo` | it said XDM has been started |
| 05:46.51 | YuuKajima | is it showing the console still or is it loading X? |
| 05:47.01 | ^_-yairgo` | while im in console |
| 05:47.09 | ^_-yairgo` | i typed /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 05:47.18 | ^_-yairgo` | *Warning: "xdm" has already been started |
| 05:47.22 | YuuKajima | oh wow |
| 05:47.24 | YuuKajima | okay |
| 05:47.28 | YuuKajima | restart instead of start |
| 05:47.47 | ^_-yairgo` | stopped kdm and setting up kdm is what i got |
| 05:47.52 | ^_-yairgo` | back at the lgin screen |
| 05:47.55 | ^_-yairgo` | or console i mean |
| 05:47.55 | YuuKajima | good good |
| 05:48.08 | YuuKajima | but it's not actually showing kde's login screen? |
| 05:48.11 | ^_-yairgo` | Display manager is "kdm" |
| 05:48.31 | YuuKajima | hmm |
| 05:48.34 | ^_-yairgo` | do i have to set XSESSION? |
| 05:48.40 | YuuKajima | no, that's for startx |
| 05:48.48 | ^_-yairgo` | ok just making sure |
| 05:49.15 | YuuKajima | I would try running xorgconfig again, cause generally that means that you selected the wrong graphics card |
| 05:49.35 | ^_-yairgo` | well holdon |
| 05:49.43 | ^_-yairgo` | when i restart kdm |
| 05:49.49 | ^_-yairgo` | why does it still give me the console |
| 05:49.53 | ^_-yairgo` | and not hte login screen? :/ |
| 05:50.13 | YuuKajima | probably because it's not recognizing your graphic card properly |
| 05:50.21 | YuuKajima | what does lspci says ur graphics card is? |
| 05:51.06 | ^_-yairgo` | VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc ATI radeon Xpress 200m 5955 (PCIE) |
| 05:52.17 | YuuKajima | okay |
| 05:52.19 | ^_-yairgo` | thats what you wanted right? |
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| 05:52.25 | YuuKajima | so that's probably an X200 correct? |
| 05:52.29 | ^_-yairgo` | yes |
| 05:52.30 | ^_-yairgo` | X200m |
| 05:52.46 | YuuKajima | okay, what card did you select when you were in xorgconfig? |
| 05:53.34 | ^_-yairgo` | the indentifier says "ati radeon(r) xpress 200m" |
| 05:53.39 | ^_-yairgo` | driver "vga" |
| 05:53.48 | ^_-yairgo` | then says #unsupported card |
| 05:54.19 | YuuKajima | oh dude.. |
| 05:54.21 | YuuKajima | no wonder... |
| 05:54.27 | YuuKajima | there's ur problem :) |
| 05:54.35 | ^_-yairgo` | yeah |
| 05:54.39 | ^_-yairgo` | thats like my monitor or something |
| 05:54.47 | ^_-yairgo` | i think i hit enter one time too many or something |
| 05:54.47 | ^_-yairgo` | one sec |
| 05:54.55 | YuuKajima | okay |
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| 05:55.15 | YuuKajima | go back into xorgconfig and then say yes when it asks you to look at the card database and make sure you select ati radeon |
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| 05:56.14 | ^_-yairgo` | if i have 128mb memory on my card |
| 05:56.23 | ^_-yairgo` | is that 1301072K? |
| 05:56.27 | YuuKajima | yes |
| 05:57.41 | ^_-yairgo` | ok i did that and it says to enter an identifire |
| 05:57.56 | YuuKajima | just enter for default |
| 05:57.59 | ^_-yairgo` | so i did ati express 200m |
| 05:58.03 | ^_-yairgo` | just cause thats what it is |
| 05:58.09 | YuuKajima | okay good |
| 05:58.09 | ^_-yairgo` | now its asking color depth |
| 05:58.12 | ^_-yairgo` | 16 or 24? |
| 05:58.15 | ^_-yairgo` | or 8 |
| 05:58.17 | ^_-yairgo` | wow |
| 05:58.17 | YuuKajima | 24 |
| 05:58.27 | YuuKajima | so type in 3 to set the modes for 24 bit |
| 05:58.31 | ^_-yairgo` | and now it just says do i want to write over xorg |
| 05:58.42 | YuuKajima | yes you do |
| 05:58.50 | ^_-yairgo` | but it never asked me for my card type? |
| 05:58.54 | YuuKajima | then do the aticonfig command again |
| 05:58.57 | YuuKajima | oh |
| 05:58.58 | YuuKajima | well |
| 05:59.08 | YuuKajima | did it ask you to look at the card database? |
| 05:59.29 | ^_-yairgo` | no |
| 05:59.33 | ^_-yairgo` | aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf correct? |
| 05:59.33 | YuuKajima | it should have |
| 05:59.38 | YuuKajima | yeah that's the one |
| 05:59.47 | YuuKajima | but I would say do it again |
| 05:59.53 | YuuKajima | you MUST select your card type |
| 05:59.58 | YuuKajima | otherwise it won't work |
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| 06:00.07 | ^_-yairgo` | yeah |
| 06:00.15 | ^_-yairgo` | i dont know why its not asking me which card type |
| 06:00.30 | YuuKajima | I would say to do it again but read very carefully and make sure you view the card database and select the proper driver |
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| 06:00.58 | ^_-yairgo` | i dont want to select additional xkb options do i? |
| 06:01.05 | YuuKajima | nope |
| 06:02.02 | ^_-yairgo` | ok so this time it asked me? |
| 06:02.11 | ^_-yairgo` | do i want ati radeon generic |
| 06:03.14 | YuuKajima | hmm |
| 06:03.18 | YuuKajima | I believe that's right |
| 06:03.58 | ^_-yairgo` | ok i got it so i should do that aticonfig command now? |
| 06:04.23 | YuuKajima | yup |
| 06:04.41 | ^_-yairgo` | says Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:04.49 | ^_-yairgo` | Uninitialised file found, configuring. |
| 06:04.51 | ^_-yairgo` | now im back to my console |
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| 06:05.14 | YuuKajima | okay |
| 06:05.15 | YuuKajima | good |
| 06:05.24 | YuuKajima | now try /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 06:06.05 | ^_-yairgo` | stopping kdm |
| 06:06.07 | ^_-yairgo` | setting up kdm |
| 06:06.10 | ^_-yairgo` | still at console |
| 06:06.15 | YuuKajima | give it a sec |
| 06:06.49 | YuuKajima | still not loading it> |
| 06:06.50 | YuuKajima | ? |
| 06:07.05 | ^_-yairgo` | no, still sitting here at the console |
| 06:07.16 | YuuKajima | wow... |
| 06:07.21 | YuuKajima | tha'd is so weird... |
| 06:07.23 | YuuKajima | *that's |
| 06:07.33 | YuuKajima | hmm |
| 06:07.37 | ^_-yairgo` | there are [ ok ]'s by both the stopping and setting up |
| 06:07.43 | YuuKajima | try startx and see what it gives you |
| 06:07.55 | ^_-yairgo` | same thing as before |
| 06:08.09 | YuuKajima | try pressing alt f7 and see what it does |
| 06:08.18 | ^_-yairgo` | nothing |
| 06:08.33 | ^_-yairgo` | alt f1-f6 give me new consoles |
| 06:08.57 | YuuKajima | okay |
| 06:09.00 | YuuKajima | hmm |
| 06:09.01 | YuuKajima | well |
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| 06:09.15 | YuuKajima | I am sorry to say, but I am fresh out of ideas, here's what I'd do though: |
| 06:09.32 | YuuKajima | perhaps copy and paste our conversation history in this chat onto pastebin.com |
| 06:09.52 | YuuKajima | and then post that link as well as an explanation of error you have on the gentoo forums |
| 06:10.02 | YuuKajima | more people visit the forums than these chats |
| 06:10.08 | YuuKajima | so maybe you'll have more luck |
| 06:10.34 | ^_-yairgo` | dude so i went into my log file |
| 06:10.46 | YuuKajima | I've actually never had this many problems with an ati card before so I've reached my limit XD |
| 06:10.55 | ^_-yairgo` | and my Elf_relocateEntry() unsupported relocation type type # |
| 06:10.59 | ^_-yairgo` | is like 500 lines long |
| 06:11.04 | YuuKajima | wooow |
| 06:11.04 | ^_-yairgo` | with different numbers alot of the time |
| 06:11.16 | YuuKajima | maybe your ELF binaries are screwed? |
| 06:11.26 | ^_-yairgo` | how do i redo them? |
| 06:11.27 | ^_-yairgo` | lol |
| 06:11.45 | YuuKajima | that I am sorry to say I am not sure of |
| 06:11.49 | YuuKajima | what I would do though |
| 06:11.52 | YuuKajima | is check your kernel |
| 06:12.01 | YuuKajima | and make sure you compiled support for ELF binaries |
| 06:12.06 | ^_-yairgo` | oh |
| 06:12.12 | ^_-yairgo` | so make menuconfig |
| 06:12.14 | YuuKajima | yup |
| 06:12.16 | ^_-yairgo` | and find the elf binaries |
| 06:12.36 | YuuKajima | yeah, make sure you have those compiled, if that doesn't solve anything |
| 06:12.46 | ^_-yairgo` | it said make: *** no rule to make target 'menuconfig' . stop. |
| 06:12.51 | ^_-yairgo` | how |
| 06:12.56 | ^_-yairgo` | am i haventing so many problems now |
| 06:12.57 | ^_-yairgo` | wow |
| 06:13.04 | YuuKajima | btw |
| 06:13.17 | YuuKajima | make menuconfig first requires this command: cd /usr/src/linux |
| 06:13.34 | YuuKajima | then it works |
| 06:13.36 | ^_-yairgo` | oh somehow i was back at ~ |
| 06:13.44 | YuuKajima | yup |
| 06:13.56 | ^_-yairgo` | i guess when i did the startx or whatever it threw me back to root |
| 06:13.59 | YuuKajima | makes sense |
| 06:14.22 | YuuKajima | but yeah, I must go I am sorry, but if this doesn;t work, then post this conversation log as well as your remaining errors into the gentoo forums and someone will probably be able to help |
| 06:14.30 | ^_-yairgo` | ok |
| 06:14.31 | ^_-yairgo` | thanks |
| 06:14.36 | YuuKajima | not a prob |
| 06:14.37 | YuuKajima | but |
| 06:15.09 | YuuKajima | if no one answers, or if you need any other help, be sure to let me know. You can email me at: t3hdrew@gmail.com and I'll respond as best as I can |
| 06:15.19 | ^_-yairgo` | thanks |
| 06:15.30 | YuuKajima | not a problem, good luck and be seeing you around |
| 06:15.43 | ^_-yairgo` | you too |
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| 06:41.49 | Codename_V | hi there. anyone know how I get to the server list thingy on konversation? |
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| 06:45.13 | lachyg | Hi, how would I go about running a konsole inside konqueror? KDE 3.5.1 on Gentoo |
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| 06:56.41 | Fri13_ | lachyg: Set shortcut to "show konsole" on konquerors settings. |
| 06:57.18 | Fri13_ | lachyg: there's two konsole shortcut. other is default (F4) what opens konsole as own window, other opens it in konqueror. |
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| 06:59.34 | lachyg | Fri13_: thanks |
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| 07:10.06 | Fri13_ | Codename_V: F2 ? |
| 07:10.15 | Codename_V | thanks |
| 07:10.38 | Codename_V | jeez, you'd think they'd make it a little more accessible. |
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| 07:12.15 | Fri13_ | Codename_V: What's wrong on F2? You can find it from "File" too. |
| 07:12.48 | Codename_V | all that's under file is quit on my end |
| 07:13.09 | Codename_V | could be because I have svn going, the thing is buggy or something. I dunno. |
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| 07:13.12 | Fri13_ | Codename_V: you have 0.19? |
| 07:13.24 | Fri13_ | Codename_V: then it may be that reason. |
| 07:13.43 | Fri13_ | Codename_V: you should ask #konversation |
| 07:13.54 | Codename_V | ah, guess I shoulda tried there first. |
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| 07:14.45 | Codename_V | well, thanks for the help. nite. |
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| 07:21.08 | robinl1 | WATASHI WA ROBIN DESU |
| 07:21.11 | robinl1 | ANATA WA BAKA KA |
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| 07:45.37 | Tallia1Kubuntu | how can i get kicker look like this? http://tallia1.myftp.org/shared-folder/bunny5qy.png |
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| 08:35.51 | mike | hi. i have a problem with kontact and i was wondering if someone could help me out. basically i was editing the filters and kontact crashed on me and could not start back again |
| 08:36.22 | mike | it looks like the kmail settings got corrupted somehow |
| 08:36.35 | mike | i've tried removing the package and the settings in my ~/.kde/shared.... |
| 08:36.45 | mike | i've tried removing the package and the settings in my ~/.kde/shared.... |
| 08:38.24 | mike | then i've tried reinstalling the package again but the problem did not go away |
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| 08:50.26 | mike | any1? |
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| 08:57.09 | Bailz | hello, was wondering if i could get some help installing a widget style |
| 08:58.42 | deathkat | anyone know what kio_http and kio_file are? |
| 08:59.09 | deathkat | my computer has about 10 of each open and its killing my performance and my internet connection |
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| 09:00.25 | PhilRod | Bailz: you should just be able to follow the instructions in the INSTALL file that comes with the style |
| 09:00.31 | mike | deathkat: google? |
| 09:00.53 | PhilRod | deathkat: they're the kioslaves that allow kde apps to access http sites and local files, respectively |
| 09:01.31 | PhilRod | deathkat: if you think they're leaking memory or something, try restarting your kde session |
| 09:01.38 | deathkat | i already have twice |
| 09:01.47 | deathkat | they truly are killing my performance |
| 09:01.51 | PhilRod | Bailz: do you get an error when following those steps? |
| 09:02.00 | deathkat | or at least thats what i believe cause they seem to be taking up way to much memory |
| 09:02.24 | PhilRod | ~memusage |
| 09:02.25 | apt | from memory, memusage is http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=175419 and http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/shared_memory.html |
| 09:02.46 | deathkat | they are taking up 280 mB from vm |
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| 09:04.13 | Bailz | PhilRod, i'm doing ./configure and xmessage popsup saying 'KDE seems to be already running on this display' |
| 09:04.21 | PhilRod | deathkat: distro and kde version? |
| 09:04.31 | Sonny | hi do you know how can I set Firefox as default web browser in KDE? |
| 09:04.46 | PhilRod | Bailz: weird, I've never seen anything like that, but I guess you need to run ./configure from the command line |
| 09:04.49 | PhilRod | Sonny: faq |
| 09:05.17 | Bailz | i'm doing that, it complains in the command line AND xmessage :) |
| 09:05.21 | Sonny | PhilRod: excuse me? |
| 09:05.40 | deathkat | PhilRod: yes, and any idea why my terminal would now be saying this as the prompt -----> deathkat@3(NXDOMAIN):~> <------- which is different from four days ago when I last used my comp |
| 09:06.43 | PhilRod | Sonny: the answer to your question is in the faq which is linked to in the topic |
| 09:07.02 | PhilRod | deathkat: echo $PS1 |
| 09:07.10 | deathkat | huh? |
| 09:07.23 | PhilRod | it's the value of that environment variable that controls the prompt |
| 09:07.31 | deathkat | k |
| 09:07.49 | deathkat | so what do I do with that command, all it did was write a little string into the terminal |
| 09:08.57 | PhilRod | what was the string? |
| 09:09.16 | PhilRod | man bash should tell you the format for the PS1 variable, I think |
| 09:09.50 | deathkat | PhilRod: $(ppwd \l)\u@\h:\w> <--------that was the string |
| 09:10.45 | PhilRod | \h is the name of the host you're logged into. Either you changed the hostname of your box, or you're logged into a different one (via ssh or something) |
| 09:13.19 | PhilRod | Bailz: try running ./configure without KDE running at all |
| 09:13.42 | PhilRod | Bailz: and paste the whole output to a pastebin, and put the link here (see topic) |
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| 09:19.43 | Bailz | will do, thanks PhilRod |
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| 09:22.18 | stumped42 | is there a simple command line statement i can use to restart the sound server |
| 09:22.21 | stumped42 | pls |
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| 09:25.06 | wunder | hello!.. im wondering, if I want to setup a shared tasklist/addressbook/events, etc in KDE Pim3, which direction should I be heading? (have a dedicated server accessible to, ftp, etc.) |
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| 09:25.40 | PhilRod | stumped42: artsd |
| 09:25.55 | Tm_T | hmm, dcop might help? |
| 09:26.08 | PhilRod | wunder: if you want the full works, you probably want kolab |
| 09:26.32 | PhilRod | I think there are some simpler ways to get basic shared stuff though |
| 09:27.18 | wunder | ok... its not possible to just use basic filenames? not really looking for security or anything.. just the ability to store the files on my FTP, and access at work... |
| 09:27.33 | wunder | with that being said, is kolab still the route to go? |
| 09:27.39 | stumped42 | artsd is actually running but for some reason if i want to do some stuff I need to fo into KDE control panel and hit the test sound button before some apps will make a sound at all. Is that the correct way for me to do it. I should have explained in more detail first probably - sorry ;) |
| 09:28.30 | PhilRod | could be a knotify problem - see the faq |
| 09:28.47 | wunder | ok cool. thank you |
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| 09:36.33 | PhilRod | wunder: hrm, kolab is probably too complex to set up for very basic needs. Take a look at the available calendar methods in kontact - I think there should be something more appropriate available |
| 09:36.40 | PhilRod | !out |
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| 09:43.12 | pinotree | hello =) |
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| 09:44.05 | dushkin | Has anyone ever succeeded in embedding emacs into konqueror (similarly to how it is done for vim)? |
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| 09:53.33 | Sonny | do you know how to open another instance of "kopete"? |
| 09:53.49 | IceD^ | Sonny: for what? |
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| 09:54.21 | deathkat | anyone know how to set konqueror as my default web browser? |
| 09:55.04 | deathkat | in kde |
| 09:55.40 | deathkat | ive been looking through multiple faq's and can't find out how |
| 09:55.52 | pinotree | deathkat: kcontrol -> kde components -> component chooser -> web browser |
| 09:56.04 | pinotree | Sonny: you can't kopete is a single-instance app |
| 09:57.35 | IceD^ | hrrr |
| 09:57.45 | IceD^ | still fighting with fonts |
| 09:58.03 | IceD^ | probleme here - if I set bitmap font in konsole - it draws really fast |
| 09:58.09 | IceD^ | if ttf - damn slow |
| 09:58.19 | deathkat | i can't find kde components |
| 09:58.26 | IceD^ | around 1 second for redrawing whole window |
| 09:58.40 | deathkat | nvm i found it |
| 09:58.49 | deathkat | thank you pinotree |
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| 09:59.08 | Sonny | IceD^: Because I dotn want to mix my MSN and Yahoo contacts in the same contact list |
| 09:59.54 | IceD^ | Sonny: heh |
| 10:00.05 | Sonny | Do you know how can I resize the Icons of the Panel Without resizing the Panel Bar width? |
| 10:00.09 | IceD^ | Sonny: /j #kopete and ask them to impl this feature |
| 10:00.19 | Sonny | lol |
| 10:00.37 | IceD^ | they are really nice guys |
| 10:00.51 | IceD^ | and if you will be able to explain that this feature is neat - they will do it :) |
| 10:00.58 | Sonny | IceD^: i'll do it |
| 10:01.37 | Sonny | IceD^: What about my 2nd question? |
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| 10:07.21 | deathkat | i never really got a definite answer earlier, but i've been getting processes named kio_http and kio_file, in extremly large amounts, about 10 a piece, and im wonderng what might be causing this because they are really hogging my memory |
| 10:07.42 | IceD^ | deathkat: kioslaves |
| 10:07.46 | deathkat | huh? |
| 10:08.32 | deathkat | IceD^: what? |
| 10:08.51 | IceD^ | kio_http - are started by all apps accessing http (simple explanation) |
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| 10:09.24 | IceD^ | and they aren't eating lots of RAM |
| 10:09.55 | IceD^ | ps, top and others shows virtaul memory |
| 10:10.10 | deathkat | they are eating lots of vm, and i believe its them that are slowing down my internet connection and killing my cpu availibility |
| 10:10.52 | IceD^ | more complete explaining |
| 10:11.19 | IceD^ | if some app (e.g. konqueror or amarok) wants to get file by http it doesn't do this directly |
| 10:11.40 | IceD^ | it simply asks corresponding input/output slave to do this |
| 10:11.49 | IceD^ | in our case - kio_http |
| 10:11.58 | deathkat | then it probably is not these processes that is killing my performance? |
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| 10:12.10 | IceD^ | so apps writers don't need to reenwent wheel again and again |
| 10:12.19 | IceD^ | deathkat: probably no |
| 10:12.24 | IceD^ | deathkat: use top |
| 10:12.40 | IceD^ | to find guilty process |
| 10:13.04 | deathkat | just enter top in my terminal? |
| 10:13.08 | IceD^ | yup |
| 10:13.11 | deathkat | k |
| 10:13.42 | deathkat | also, could you help me with something else? |
| 10:14.12 | IceD^ | btw - kioslaves are one of the main powers of kde |
| 10:14.13 | deathkat | im trying to install macromedia flashplayer 7 or whatever version it is, but konqueror isnt finding it, or its just not working period |
| 10:14.30 | deathkat | is there a way to find the directory to which it was installed |
| 10:14.34 | IceD^ | emerge netscape_flash nsplugins |
| 10:14.50 | IceD^ | you need nsplugins package installed |
| 10:15.10 | deathkat | k |
| 10:15.13 | deathkat | one sec |
| 10:15.19 | IceD^ | after this - Settings / Configure Konqueror / Plugins |
| 10:15.30 | IceD^ | specify directory and press scan for new plugins |
| 10:16.39 | deathkat | k |
| 10:16.49 | deathkat | how do i find which directory its in? |
| 10:17.09 | IceD^ | usually it's /opt/netscape |
| 10:17.29 | IceD^ | just press scan and verify results at plugins tab |
| 10:17.44 | deathkat | k |
| 10:18.54 | deathkat | uno momento and thank you for helping |
| 10:20.40 | deathkat | do i need to install shockwave flash as well or is that part of the flash player? |
| 10:21.01 | IceD^ | dunno about flashplayer |
| 10:21.08 | deathkat | k |
| 10:21.19 | IceD^ | iced@iced 05 - Det Som En Gang Var (1993) % emerge -pf netscape-flash |
| 10:21.22 | IceD^ | ... |
| 10:21.28 | IceD^ | http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/flash-plugin-7.0.61.tar.gz |
| 10:21.33 | IceD^ | grab this tarball |
| 10:21.42 | deathkat | well it doesnt matter cause they dont make a shockwave player for linux |
| 10:21.52 | deathkat | but i already have that flash plugin and it works now |
| 10:21.56 | deathkat | thank you for helping |
| 10:22.00 | IceD^ | ahhh |
| 10:22.21 | IceD^ | and wtf is shockwave? |
| 10:22.30 | IceD^ | is it smth different? |
| 10:22.39 | deathkat | its a diffrent kind of flash i believe |
| 10:23.24 | deathkat | and do you have any idea why my prompt on my terminal would now read deathkat@3(NXDOMAIN):~ # when the other day i know it didnt have 3(NXDOMAIN) anywhere in it? |
| 10:23.56 | IceD^ | you have specified domainname somewhere |
| 10:24.04 | IceD^ | type "hostname --fqdn" |
| 10:24.52 | deathkat | okay ill try that |
| 10:25.04 | Sonny | hi, how can I set a fixed size of any app in the system bar? |
| 10:25.40 | IceD^ | sona: wtf is system bar? |
| 10:25.44 | IceD^ | kicker? |
| 10:25.45 | deathkat | hostname: Unknown host |
| 10:25.46 | deathkat | hostname: Unknown host |
| 10:25.52 | deathkat | after entering hostname --fqdn it said hostname: Unknown host and that is it |
| 10:26.15 | IceD^ | deathkat: you have smth wrong w/ your hostname setting |
| 10:26.23 | IceD^ | or domainname |
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| 10:26.45 | deathkat | any ideas on where to go from here? |
| 10:27.06 | IceD^ | vi /etc/hosts |
| 10:27.09 | IceD^ | :) |
| 10:27.15 | IceD^ | under root |
| 10:27.15 | deathkat | k |
| 10:27.25 | IceD^ | if you know how to rule vi |
| 10:27.32 | deathkat | k |
| 10:28.27 | deathkat | what do i do with the vi command |
| 10:28.37 | IceD^ | iced@iced ~ % cat /etc/hosts | grep 127 |
| 10:28.37 | IceD^ | 127.0.0.1 iced.home iced localhost |
| 10:28.42 | IceD^ | vi is the editor |
| 10:29.03 | IceD^ | you will not be able to `just use` it |
| 10:29.12 | IceD^ | so better use some other console editor |
| 10:29.17 | IceD^ | nano or some other |
| 10:29.19 | deathkat | can i just open that with a different editor |
| 10:29.24 | IceD^ | sure |
| 10:29.37 | deathkat | im using gedit |
| 10:29.43 | deathkat | now what do i do |
| 10:30.08 | IceD^ | find 127.0.0.1 line |
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| 10:30.15 | IceD^ | and put smth like |
| 10:30.30 | IceD^ | 127.0.0.1 deathkat.home deathkat localhost |
| 10:30.33 | IceD^ | there |
| 10:30.40 | IceD^ | order is important |
| 10:30.43 | deathkat | k |
| 10:31.43 | deathkat | can i add that under IP-Address Full-Qualified-Hostname Short-Hostname and all the other ip's/hostnames |
| 10:31.48 | deathkat | or above the other hostnames? |
| 10:32.18 | IceD^ | ?? |
| 10:32.45 | deathkat | nvm |
| 10:33.04 | deathkat | so i add that whole line on the same line, or just 127.0.0.1 deathkat.home on one ling |
| 10:33.08 | deathkat | *line |
| 10:33.16 | deathkat | or should i do deathkat.home.sys? |
| 10:33.56 | deathkat | and do i need to restart for the changes to take effect or just restart my session |
| 10:34.02 | IceD^ | 127.0.0.1 deathkat.home.sys deathkat localhost |
| 10:34.07 | IceD^ | localhost is necessary |
| 10:34.14 | deathkat | i did that |
| 10:34.16 | deathkat | and nothing changed |
| 10:34.16 | IceD^ | just restart terminal |
| 10:34.23 | IceD^ | hostname --fqdn |
| 10:35.03 | deathkat | it said unknown host again |
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| 10:35.40 | IceD^ | hmm |
| 10:35.49 | IceD^ | which distro? |
| 10:36.57 | deathkat | suse 10.0 |
| 10:37.11 | IceD^ | ask at #suse how to set hostname |
| 10:37.19 | IceD^ | (probably you should use yast or smth) |
| 10:37.23 | IceD^ | don't remember |
| 10:39.14 | deathkat | and 127.0.0.1 is definitly my addy, cause the loopback interface even has it entered as that |
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| 10:41.25 | deathkat | any ideas? |
| 10:42.16 | IceD^ | #suse |
| 10:42.18 | IceD^ | ;) |
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| 10:45.22 | deathkat | im there no one is answering me |
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| 10:48.54 | deathkat | no one is answering me anymore |
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| 10:53.13 | DeViLInSidE | from where can i change kmenu icon? |
| 10:54.16 | pinotree | ~kmenu |
| 10:54.22 | apt | Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbfx |
| 10:54.24 | deathkat | IceD^ i figured it out |
| 10:54.28 | deathkat | thanks for the help |
| 10:54.30 | deathkat | back in a bit |
| 10:54.35 | pinotree | asddasdas: read what apt said |
| 10:55.52 | asddasdas | 10x:) |
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| 11:16.28 | Sonny | hi, how can I set a fixed size of any app in the system bar? |
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| 11:19.12 | mschiff | anybody an idea what is going on with my KDE 3.5.1: |
| 11:19.26 | mschiff | kbuildsycoca |
| 11:19.33 | mschiff | kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! |
| 11:19.59 | pinotree | try with kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 11:21.52 | mschiff | pinotree: I did that.. same error :-( |
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| 11:22.39 | mschiff | .config/menus/kde-applications-merged/ |
| 11:22.54 | mschiff | this does not exist (and it tries to opern it) |
| 11:23.36 | mschiff | hm mkdir'ed that and now it works.. strange.. |
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| 11:37.21 | mschiff | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123272 |
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| 11:39.46 | deathkat | what is the command to see the topic? |
| 11:40.42 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.48 | pwuertz | in an old changelog i found "a new video thumbnail generator"... but i cant find it in konqueror.... did it disappear? |
| 11:43.53 | visik7 | do u want a frame in the thumb ? |
| 11:44.01 | pwuertz | right |
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| 11:44.28 | pwuertz | seen that in nautilus *duck* |
| 11:44.33 | visik7 | apt-get install libarts1-xine |
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| 11:45.09 | pwuertz | I'm on gentoo :) |
| 11:45.16 | pwuertz | so i need arts for that? |
| 11:49.17 | pinotree | pwuertz: in konqueror -> view -> preview -> video files |
| 11:49.47 | pwuertz | pinotree: yes, but there is no such option |
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| 11:50.52 | pwuertz | at least not here |
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| 11:50.56 | visik7 | pwuertz: no wait |
| 11:51.06 | pwuertz | I'm wondering from which package that feature comes from |
| 11:51.19 | pwuertz | I hope its not arts ^^ |
| 11:51.24 | visik7 | the package that contains /usr/lib/libarts_xine.so |
| 11:51.37 | pwuertz | damn |
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| 11:51.58 | pwuertz | why did they use arts for reading video files ^^ |
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| 11:52.05 | visik7 | provided by kdemultimedia |
| 11:52.24 | pwuertz | thanks |
| 11:52.47 | visik7 | btw if u use kde why don't u want arts ? |
| 11:52.52 | visik7 | u are not forced to use it |
| 11:52.56 | visik7 | but at least use it :) |
| 11:54.19 | pwuertz | why should i use arts? |
| 11:54.32 | pwuertz | I use alsa for sound output |
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| 11:55.15 | pwuertz | so there is no need for arts |
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| 11:56.27 | klando | I try to use ksvn : ksvn client work, but not into konqueror (still loading the page) using ksvn+ssh:/// |
| 11:57.15 | klando | additionnaly I try to modify a file using kate (file open whith ksvn+ssh) but I can not save it : I get this beatifull message : |
| 11:57.23 | klando | Writing to kio_ksvn is not supported. |
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| 11:57.45 | klando | I must use commandline ? |
| 11:57.52 | pwuertz | i think writing to kio is difficult |
| 11:57.57 | pwuertz | er svn |
| 11:58.20 | pwuertz | because svn would never allow random write access to data |
| 11:58.42 | klando | yes |
| 11:58.55 | klando | but, I though that ksvn will handl a commit |
| 11:58.57 | pwuertz | as result kio_ksvn might prevent writing |
| 11:59.14 | pwuertz | ok... maybe if you drag a whole file into kio_ksvn |
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| 11:59.35 | pwuertz | i dont know kio_ksvn... but thats the way I would do it ^^ |
| 11:59.45 | klando | ok, i am new to subversion |
| 11:59.54 | klando | I will try |
| 11:59.56 | klando | tks |
| 12:00.07 | pwuertz | you cant allow apps to write to files.... but you would handle "overwriting" or creation of files |
| 12:00.13 | pwuertz | you know cvs? |
| 12:00.19 | klando | not a lot :) |
| 12:00.27 | klando | I know basis |
| 12:01.11 | klando | if I understand well ksvn will only allow to checkout or see files |
| 12:01.11 | pwuertz | well.. tell me how it goes... this kio looks interresting |
| 12:01.15 | klando | not to commit |
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| 12:01.27 | pwuertz | oh... sad |
| 12:01.40 | pwuertz | but maybe its better this way |
| 12:01.49 | klando | but I am sure I have'nt seen all the things |
| 12:02.19 | pwuertz | committing changes is alot more than copy a file... you need the ability to make logfile comments.... |
| 12:02.35 | klando | yes |
| 12:02.48 | pwuertz | so a simple write implementation would not make sense |
| 12:02.58 | klando | (that why I was sso happy to see a ksvn working for me :))) |
| 12:03.23 | klando | no I thought that ksvn will ask for the comment |
| 12:04.35 | pwuertz | the kio would have to pop up a commit-dialog... maybe they dont want to do that... not yet |
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| 12:05.22 | stoned | hi, Im trying to replace stuff in a huge text file in Kate. every line contains at the end of it ::variable text on each line between the two colons ::. I can't seem to replace. I want to replace everything on the line starting form :: and remove the rest of the line. I tried many regex patterns but im new with it and i can't do it for some reason |
| 12:05.30 | stoned | could anyone possibly help me out |
| 12:06.05 | StevenR | stoned: could we have some example text and example replaced-text ? |
| 12:06.11 | stoned | text text text word word word :: blah blah blah blah <- I want to replace everything from :: onwards |
| 12:06.12 | stoned | yes |
| 12:06.26 | stoned | orignal line == blah blah blah blah :: word word word |
| 12:06.35 | stoned | new line == blah blah blah blah |
| 12:06.46 | stoned | so basically no more :: ... |
| 12:06.53 | pinotree | that's easy |
| 12:07.00 | stoned | man i can't figure it out |
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| 12:07.07 | StevenR | so "find the :: and delete the :: and everything after it" |
| 12:07.08 | stoned | and i know when you tell me im gonna feel like an idiot |
| 12:07.17 | pinotree | "::.*$" |
| 12:07.21 | stoned | no the regex syntax |
| 12:07.23 | stoned | ahh |
| 12:07.29 | pinotree | use this and replace that with an empty string |
| 12:07.55 | stoned | i was using /(::.*)/ |
| 12:07.59 | stoned | hmm |
| 12:08.29 | StevenR | pinotree: what's the .* mean? is it just "some chars that aren't end of lines" ? |
| 12:08.40 | pinotree | . == every char |
| 12:08.52 | pinotree | * == is repeated 0 or more times |
| 12:09.37 | StevenR | pinotree: ahh, i see :) |
| 12:09.51 | pinotree | iirc you can find these things in the manpage of bash |
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| 12:10.06 | StevenR | pinotree: except that . is every char except newlines in some situations |
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| 12:12.45 | StevenR | how do I disable the popup that konqueror displays when a popup has been blocked, i.e. I want konqueror to block popups silently. it started doing this after I upgraded to 3.5.1 |
| 12:13.48 | visik7 | yes I want to know it too is stupid blocking a popup with a popup |
| 12:14.52 | pinotree | StevenR: click on the small window icon in the right partt of the statusbar, you wil get a small popp with three option, one of these is the one you need |
| 12:16.22 | StevenR | pinotree: window icon? I dont have one on my statusbar :S |
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| 12:18.16 | StevenR | pinotree: nevermind, found it, had to be on a popupy page...thanks :):) |
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| 12:19.29 | Kiirani | There's something that's been annoying me for some time.. All of the kde apps are stored in /usr/kde/3.4/bin, right? Well, I can't run them without using the full path to that folder.. Is there a way to change that without physically copying them or linking them individually into /usr/bin? |
| 12:20.12 | pinotree | set the PATH |
| 12:20.13 | pwuertz | you should add /usr/kde/3.4/bin to your bin search path |
| 12:20.27 | Kiirani | Ok. I'll go find out where that should be, then ^_^ thanks |
| 12:20.28 | pwuertz | but this should be done by your distribution |
| 12:20.50 | pwuertz | which one are you using? |
| 12:20.54 | Kiirani | Gentoo |
| 12:20.59 | pwuertz | ok |
| 12:21.07 | pinotree | #gentoo or #gentoo-kde |
| 12:21.07 | pwuertz | your not root? |
| 12:21.12 | Kiirani | Of course I'm root. |
| 12:21.19 | pwuertz | ? |
| 12:21.25 | Kiirani | Well, not right now.. |
| 12:21.32 | Kiirani | But I'm the only one with the root password... |
| 12:21.39 | Kiirani | And yeah, I was headed to #gentoo next |
| 12:21.43 | Kiirani | Thanks for the help :) |
| 12:21.51 | pwuertz | see you ^^ |
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| 12:45.21 | vaka | hi |
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| 12:46.20 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:46.23 | vaka | hi |
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| 12:47.02 | DexterF | when I drag urls to an app in kicker (here Opera) and hoover the mouse, that app will be focussed. |
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| 12:47.36 | vaka | yes |
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| 12:47.47 | Dexter_F | damn my friggin ISP |
| 12:48.15 | Dexter_F | anyway, where can I adjust the time after which the app gets focus? |
| 12:48.29 | vaka | .... |
| 12:48.35 | vaka | i don't know |
| 12:48.37 | vaka | :S |
| 12:49.04 | vaka | it is default set to 1 sec approximately |
| 12:49.15 | vaka | why you want to change it? |
| 12:49.24 | Dexter_F | I live fast. |
| 12:49.37 | vaka | well |
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| 12:49.51 | vaka | but i can't help you |
| 12:50.52 | Dexter_F | vaka: you're not on irc as root ain't ya. |
| 12:51.10 | vaka | ? |
| 12:51.12 | FRIpolz | Dexter_F: Control Center ->Desktop->Window Behaviour->Focus->Delay focus |
| 12:51.20 | vaka | i'm on root now... xD |
| 12:52.11 | Dexter_F | FRIpolz: thanks! |
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| 12:52.58 | FRIpolz | glad to be of assistance |
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| 12:57.13 | Virtual | I have a multifunction keyboard with double function F keys and I need to activate a button so I can use F keys as F1, F2 etc, if I don't activate the buttons have other functions, is there anyway to activate that on KDE startup ? |
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| 12:59.51 | eljak | i tried to copy the old folder in /lib/modules to a new folder under the name of my new kernel and when booting it didnt complain but still have problems with xserver starting |
| 13:00.19 | Dexter_F | FRIpolz: I've gto german l10n here - "Window Behaviour" is the first entry in "Desktop", right? |
| 13:00.42 | FRIpolz | Nope |
| 13:00.53 | Dexter_F | uh. then I'm in the wrong place |
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| 13:00.59 | FRIpolz | it's the second from the back |
| 13:01.02 | iciclebox | is there a system tray for KDE? |
| 13:01.14 | FRIpolz | the icon looks like 2 stacked windows |
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| 13:01.43 | FRIpolz | iciclebox: Could you give an example ?\ |
| 13:01.51 | Dexter_F | FRIpolz: thats the first here. looks your distro has a differetn sort order there. |
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| 13:02.37 | FRIpolz | Dexter_F: I think the ordering is alphabetical |
| 13:02.45 | Dexter_F | the second last tab there is "extended" or whatever it is in english, last is "transparency" |
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| 13:03.22 | FRIpolz | Dexter_F: I'm pretty sure it's alphabetical |
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| 13:03.55 | FRIpolz | Dexter_F: anyway, the option you're probably looking for is focus delay... |
| 13:04.16 | FRIpolz | I don't know how to translate that into german, though |
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| 13:04.24 | The_ManU | hi |
| 13:04.40 | The_ManU | someone can help me to set the size of the icons in konqueror |
| 13:04.46 | The_ManU | they are to huge for me |
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| 13:05.00 | The_ManU | but don't know how to change |
| 13:05.29 | The_ManU | kde 3.5 |
| 13:07.26 | Dexter_F | "konqueror einrichten", I guess |
| 13:07.45 | FRIpolz | The_ManU: View->icon size |
| 13:07.59 | FRIpolz | The_ManU: when you're in a directory |
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| 13:08.20 | Dexter_F | i10n again, heh. |
| 13:08.48 | The_ManU | FRIpolz: thx |
| 13:08.48 | The_ManU | wfound it |
| 13:08.48 | The_ManU | -w |
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| 13:12.08 | Dexter_F | where are the files that actually hold the translation data for i18n? |
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| 13:13.05 | Dexter_F | I mean, there's gotta be am index or such |
| 13:13.54 | DeadS0ul | hmm not sure |
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| 13:14.37 | DeadS0ul | got a package manager? |
| 13:15.02 | linoleum | hi, I am installing kmail, and, when I need to fill info about server (imap, smtp...) and I got a quesiton : use the local reception... what is it for? |
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| 13:17.31 | Dexter_F | DeadS0ul: yes, I ran through the entire file list already, looking for an xml or similar. nothing |
| 13:17.39 | DeadS0ul | yeah i jus tidd too |
| 13:17.51 | DeadS0ul | i found a dir called locale that's proably full of translations |
| 13:17.58 | DeadS0ul | but the files in it are all binary |
| 13:18.53 | Dexter_F | hmmm, .mo files? |
| 13:19.03 | Dexter_F | I think there's an editor for those in kde |
| 13:19.19 | DeadS0ul | really? |
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| 13:20.40 | Dexter_F | well. I can't imagine the developers punch binaries manually ;) |
| 13:20.49 | Dexter_F | KBabel looks promising... |
| 13:21.55 | Dexter_F | hmm. no.. |
| 13:21.56 | DeadS0ul | naw, there's text files in sources |
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| 13:28.02 | kaiSVK | hi there ... I would like to ask for help with Kontact/Korganizer |
| 13:28.13 | lucio | I'm setting up an installation for a dozen of kubuntu clients |
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| 13:37.14 | Dexter_F | DeadS0ul: sources? kde src? |
| 13:37.39 | DeadS0ul | yeah or the program's source |
| 13:37.53 | Dexter_F | ok ill check it out |
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| 13:45.12 | Frogbarf | what is the command to invoke kmail to send a message? |
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| 13:46.24 | Frogbarf | I just want a new message to come up that is ready to send rather than have to see the entire kmail interface |
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| 13:48.15 | DeadS0ul | try asking in kontact |
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| 13:50.02 | Frogbarf | kmail -composer |
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| 13:50.43 | DeadS0ul | that 's what you need? |
| 13:50.48 | Frogbarf | yep |
| 13:50.51 | DeadS0ul | =] |
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| 14:02.46 | iciclebox | how do I view the system tray in KDE? |
| 14:03.20 | StevenR | iciclebox: add it to your panel |
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| 14:03.34 | iciclebox | StevenR: thanks |
| 14:04.13 | iciclebox | additionally, how do I configure a program to autostart? |
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| 14:05.04 | qupada | iciclebox: put a symlink/shellscript/.desktop link in ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 14:05.38 | Rapp | Question: I am using KDE 3.4.x at work, on a debian testing system. sometime in the past i tried out the subpixel hinting feature. i disabled it again, since i did not like it, but it stays enabled! i have tried deleting the .kde folders, and also .qt and .fonts.conf. the last two work, but then AA is completely disabled. if i enable anti aliasing again, the subpixel hinting is also on again! where could the subpixel stuff be stored? |
| 14:06.27 | Rapp | GTK2.0 apps also have the subpixel stuff enabled, so it must be something Xft specific |
| 14:07.00 | iciclebox | qupada: is there another way to do it? cause kmix autostarts but it's not in the Autostart directory |
| 14:07.46 | smileaf | iciclebox: that's because of kde restoring the previous session |
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| 14:08.35 | smileaf | and my kcontrol module for editing ~/.kde/Autostart stuff is 70% complete ;) |
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| 14:09.10 | iciclebox | does anyone use kcheckgmail here? doesn't seem to authenticate me |
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| 14:10.12 | qupada | smileaf: excellent. been looking for an easier way to add/remove stuff from it. too many symlinks and things in there presently |
| 14:10.18 | edulix | hi ! |
| 14:11.03 | edulix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.16 | smileaf | qupada: hopefully I'll get it done sometime soon. |
| 14:11.17 | edulix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.17 | pinotree | edulix: kate -u |
| 14:11.24 | smileaf | been kinda lazy :) |
| 14:11.26 | edulix | let me see |
| 14:12.21 | edulix | it works pinotree =) |
| 14:12.29 | qupada | smileaf: sounds good anyway. are you working on just having one shellscript in the folder, and items added to the list in kcontrol are added or removed from it? |
| 14:13.41 | smileaf | qupada: the way it's working is when you create a new entry.. it creates a new .desktop file in that directory. |
| 14:13.51 | smileaf | when you remove it on save it'll remove it. |
| 14:14.03 | smileaf | that's the idea anyway |
| 14:14.23 | smileaf | I'm also trying to have it preserve the current symlinks and shellscripts |
| 14:14.49 | smileaf | upgrading symlinks to .desktops only when neccessary. |
| 14:14.56 | qupada | ah cool. i was just thinking from the point of view of people possibly being anal about which apps they want started before which other apps |
| 14:15.24 | qupada | at the moment i have shellscripts for stuff that needs command line arguments and symlinks for everything else |
| 14:16.00 | smileaf | yup.. a symlink will only be upgrade should the user edit the command to include arguments. |
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| 14:16.32 | smileaf | I've also worked in a disable option, so you can leave something in there without having it start :) |
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| 14:17.41 | qupada | which comments out the exec= line in the .desktop file? |
| 14:17.49 | smileaf | false && cmd |
| 14:18.23 | qupada | that works too |
| 14:18.26 | smileaf | if I commented out that i'd error |
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| 14:25.07 | administrator | hello everyone |
| 14:29.09 | visik7 | is there a way to run commands when kmail recive email ? |
| 14:29.59 | visik7 | or some dcop that can tell me that there are new mail ? |
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| 14:32.46 | trigo | anyone awaaaake? |
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| 14:33.21 | edulix | trigo: well more or less :P |
| 14:33.35 | trigo | well thats good, i just got a quick question |
| 14:33.55 | trigo | do you know what the hell zack rusin is talking bout wtih his new accelerated X? |
| 14:34.34 | Dexter_F | thiago: at the keys? |
| 14:34.40 | trigo | yeah |
| 14:34.48 | Dexter_F | uh |
| 14:34.50 | trigo | well on the linux tech show is what im hearing it at |
| 14:34.51 | trigo | but yes |
| 14:35.32 | iciclebox | btw, does anyone have a nice skin to recommended? |
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| 14:36.15 | edulix | xgl perhaps? |
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| 14:36.33 | edulix | I didn't listen to the show but that's what they say in the dot |
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| 14:36.40 | trigo | well yes, he was talking about how xgl was crappy and talking about introducing something called |
| 14:36.43 | trigo | "glucose" |
| 14:36.51 | straw | iciclebox: there are hordes of them at kde-look.org |
| 14:36.57 | trigo | i was just wondering if anyone new what that was all about |
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| 14:37.03 | spiritz | forecast for xgl support with kde seems very bad, isn't it? |
| 14:37.40 | edulix | how can I disable by default bookmarks toolbar in konqueror? everytime I launch a new one it appears there |
| 14:38.03 | iciclebox | heh, xp theme is one of most downloaded |
| 14:38.08 | edulix | I bbelive you could save diferent perspectives in konqueror, but that option is not showed in my kubuntu's konqui |
| 14:38.25 | Chryseus | edulix: turn it off and save your profile |
| 14:38.35 | edulix | Chryseus =) |
| 14:38.53 | edulix | oh now it's there |
| 14:38.57 | edulix | lol |
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| 14:39.58 | visik7 | no dcop for count how many unreaded mail there are ? |
| 14:40.00 | edulix | but I was not lying, I have two konqui windows, both browsing html web pages |
| 14:40.17 | edulix | but one shows the profile's menus and the other doesn't |
| 14:40.34 | edulix | anyway I already saved my web navigator profile |
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| 14:49.00 | pinotree | hey lauri :-) |
| 14:49.21 | lauri | hey pinotree :) |
| 14:50.18 | Fri13 | Does anyone use Scribus? |
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| 14:51.16 | pinotree | Fri13: maybe in #scribus you could find someone who does it :-) |
| 14:51.41 | Fri13 | Ok, because im searching way to use kdialog as open/save... cant stand those "windows" styles :-/ |
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| 14:54.00 | mikebwilliams | anyone use konstruct with slamd64? |
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| 14:58.49 | DeadS0ul | yay finished another comic strip |
| 14:59.28 | dipnlik | DeadS0ul: finished drawing or reading? :) |
| 14:59.33 | DeadS0ul | drawing |
| 14:59.43 | dipnlik | DeadS0ul: is it online? |
| 14:59.48 | DeadS0ul | yeah =D |
| 14:59.52 | DeadS0ul | it's no tmuch though |
| 14:59.55 | dipnlik | link link |
| 15:00.02 | DeadS0ul | www.reasonstorock.com/today.php |
| 15:00.40 | dipnlik | DeadS0ul: loading. liked you favicon :) |
| 15:00.47 | DeadS0ul | =D |
| 15:01.14 | DeadS0ul | i need to work on my wirting..I could make that punch line so much better |
| 15:01.44 | DeadS0ul | bbs, I'm gonna take a quick shower |
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| 15:05.14 | DeadS0ul | meh, sister is in there |
| 15:05.37 | DeadS0ul | anyway wahtcha think..? |
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| 15:08.23 | lauri | that's a very orange orange you have there DeadS0ul |
| 15:08.24 | lauri | I like |
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| 15:09.33 | DeadS0ul | haha, thanx |
| 15:09.48 | DeadS0ul | =D |
| 15:10.48 | spiritz | forecast for xgl support with kde seems very bad, isn't it? |
| 15:10.48 | DeadS0ul | hmmm can't think of what to write |
| 15:11.38 | straw | spiritz: and that rumor is based on..? |
| 15:11.49 | Dexter_F | spiritz: what are you, a cron job? |
| 15:11.54 | Dexter_F | a small talk cron job? |
| 15:13.24 | spiritz | Dexter_F: I am myself the cron job, until I get an answer; |
| 15:13.28 | DeadS0ul | not small talk |
| 15:13.32 | lauri | spiritz: you would be better asking Zack, or just subscribing to his blog: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/14 |
| 15:13.35 | spiritz | straw: actually I saw that from a message by arron |
| 15:14.02 | straw | arron? |
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| 15:14.14 | lauri | and annoying the user support channel for an answer on a development question, not the smartest strategy ever |
| 15:14.29 | spiritz | straw: Aaron Seigo |
| 15:14.35 | Dexter_F | especially not fishing for replies like that |
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| 15:14.49 | Dexter_F | this isn't #bloody-rumors |
| 15:14.49 | straw | spiritz: well, you're confused |
| 15:15.15 | spiritz | I'm talking about that : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122709 it's the only info regarding xgl&compiz&kde I have been able to found |
| 15:15.33 | straw | Xair/Xgl development is separate from kde altogether |
| 15:15.48 | trigo | kde i think, is going a diffrent direction |
| 15:16.08 | straw | and there's no doubt KDE will support features available from both efforts |
| 15:16.16 | lauri | or hey, this: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~chri1802/kde/zrusin-X-future.html |
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| 15:17.03 | trigo | well he had an interview with the linux tech show |
| 15:17.06 | trigo | http://dot.kde.org/1141257826/ |
| 15:17.12 | trigo | and talked alot about xgl |
| 15:17.16 | spiritz | Straw : for sure, but isn't kde team who is working on kde-window-decorator and who should fix kicker problem? |
| 15:17.19 | trigo | about 27 min in |
| 15:17.39 | lauri | the kwin developer is not the kicker developer |
| 15:17.54 | trigo | actually ive found if i start xgl then kde then compiz |
| 15:18.01 | Firetech | does anyone know what the Vista-lookalike windeco (for kde) is called? The one that can be seen at http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/espresso.png |
| 15:18.01 | trigo | then the kicker issue doesnt come up |
| 15:18.11 | lauri | and neither of them are working on this compiz thing, which is the thing that has the bug |
| 15:18.25 | spiritz | trigo : u mean u don't have any taskbar problem? |
| 15:18.27 | lauri | and if you simply want exposé type window management in KDE, try Komposé |
| 15:18.32 | trigo | yeah thats right |
| 15:18.45 | trigo | zack russin is apperntly working on the kde-window-deco |
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| 15:19.11 | spiritz | trigo : how come you don't have any taskbar problem while I won't get any icon in my task bar? :s |
| 15:19.30 | trigo | i dunno, if i start xgl and compiz at the same time i do get it |
| 15:19.37 | trigo | but if i start xgl - compiz |
| 15:19.45 | trigo | start kde with the reg window manager |
| 15:19.46 | lauri | I'm going to guess it's because you have trouble reading for comprehension, if the last ten minutes is anything to go on |
| 15:19.52 | trigo | then startup compiz |
| 15:19.54 | trigo | its fine |
| 15:20.15 | spiritz | trigo : thanks for the tip; I'll check it out |
| 15:20.16 | straw | spiritz: i'm thinking ahead to kde4. anything for kde 3.x.x would essentially be a hack in progress anyway, imho |
| 15:20.37 | straw | which is what compiz is anyway |
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| 15:20.53 | trigo | i dunno from that interview it sounds like they are trying to move away from xgl |
| 15:21.03 | trigo | oh, ive heard good things about the way compiz works |
| 15:21.07 | spiritz | Straw : sure, but compiz is making huge progress with gnome, and I was wondering if we would be able to see such things with kde before release 4.0 which 9 months away |
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| 15:21.23 | trigo | well compiz doesnt care about gnome or kde |
| 15:21.44 | jeekl | Any gpg-wizzez here that have time to help me for a while? |
| 15:21.48 | trigo | its the kde-window-deco thats the issue, compiz is not specific |
| 15:22.00 | lauri | jeekl: if you can get a word in edgeways through the offtopic jabber about some other window manager, sure |
| 15:22.07 | spiritz | trigo : sure but gnome-window-deco works fine, while kde-win-deco is almost non existant |
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| 15:22.18 | Fri13 | Firetech: alphacube is windeco |
| 15:22.39 | Firetech | Fri13: thanks |
| 15:22.47 | straw | spiritz: it's new, alpha work. have patience |
| 15:23.19 | trigo | aye its just waiting for the kde window deco to work right |
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| 15:23.41 | trigo | but like i said in my experince if i do it a certian way i dont have so many systray issues |
| 15:23.46 | spiritz | straw : no problem with that :) I'll be patient, I just got kind of scared when I saw that aaron seigo stated that he has no plan to work on "compiz / kde" relationship. |
| 15:23.50 | lauri | this is my _last_ request (and it's not a request): please take the compiz talk somewhere else |
| 15:23.56 | DeadS0ul | trigo: you spelt, certain wrong |
| 15:23.58 | straw | better yet, submit patches |
| 15:24.02 | trigo | hehe |
| 15:24.08 | DeadS0ul | trigo: use the built in spell checker god dammit |
| 15:24.42 | lauri | jeekl: you had a problem? |
| 15:24.47 | trigo | i dont have a built in speel chekcerz |
| 15:24.50 | spiritz | lauri : sorry to disturb u so much ; I understand how painful it must be to have such an general discution with regular kde user; I dont want to distrub #kde-devel with such a general question, that's it. |
| 15:25.00 | straw | spiritz: well, he's right. that's probably not the "right" solution atm and it's likely not a good use of his time |
| 15:25.06 | lauri | spiritz: it's not general, it's very specific, and specifically off topic |
| 15:25.19 | trigo | gpg is kde specific? |
| 15:25.20 | jeekl | lauri: Thanks :-) I have a gpg-account I created with kgpg and now I wanted to be able to sign my emails with several different email adresses with the same key, as I have seen many on the kdemailinglists do, so I tried adding another identity to the key using kgpg. Problem is when I want to select the key to use from kmail, kmil dosen't find the key. And in kgpg, it looks like the latter email adress I added got the role of primary seleced |
| 15:25.32 | lauri | no, but I'm going to guess it involves either kmail or kgpg |
| 15:25.34 | lauri | and there we go |
| 15:25.37 | trigo | heh |
| 15:26.14 | lauri | jeekl: off the top of my head, you need to add it as a sub-key, and that's buried in the docs somewhere |
| 15:26.19 | jeekl | lauri: Sorry for posting large amounts of txt in the channel ;-) |
| 15:26.29 | lauri | just a minute |
| 15:26.32 | spiritz | straw : that's for sure not a very good use of his time :) good point |
| 15:26.42 | jeekl | Okey, so how do I delete it from the key? |
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| 15:27.14 | jeekl | I'm stuck at a konsole with gpg --edit-key right now and can't figure out what to delkey wants as input to delete the second email adress |
| 15:27.49 | lauri | again, off the top of my head (heh, I used to be really good with gpg, but it's all fallen out of my head) try the entire string, in quotes |
| 15:28.07 | jeekl | man gpg says that an exact value would do, but it just doesn't work (exact value: =Jeff Eklund <my@email.adress>) |
| 15:28.20 | jeekl | In quotes? |
| 15:28.31 | lauri | "Jeff Eklund <my@email.address>" |
| 15:28.33 | jeekl | It didnät say so in the man page, but I'll try it. |
| 15:28.47 | lauri | I seem to remember having this exact trouble once before |
| 15:28.57 | lauri | (and those man pages are unholy difficult, nearly to sendmail level) |
| 15:29.26 | straw | spiritz: with the popularity of xgl/compiz right now, there's no doubt someone will kick out some solution for kde eventually |
| 15:30.39 | trigo | well at the risk of being yelled at for being off topic. there is a patch floating around the ubuntu forums |
| 15:30.44 | trigo | to fix the sys tray |
| 15:30.45 | spiritz | straw: even if kde is more populare than gnome, everything related to xgl/compiz seems to deal with gnome only; just look at the amount of tutorials for each, it's unbelievable... I wonder why. |
| 15:30.47 | lauri | here it is, I knew I had it bookmarked: http://www.spywarewarrior.com/uiuc/gpg/gpg-com-4.htm |
| 15:30.52 | trigo | but you need to recompile most of kde |
| 15:30.53 | jeekl | lauri: It dosent seem to work... "You must select at least one key." |
| 15:31.01 | lauri | best docs I know about gpg |
| 15:31.13 | jeekl | ah! Great, I'll read it right away! Thanks alot |
| 15:31.19 | spiritz | trigo : I tried it, actually it did not work that well |
| 15:31.33 | trigo | ah ya i was unwilling to recompile kde for that |
| 15:31.41 | lauri | spiritz: KDE 3.x is feature frozen, and no longer being developed, KDE 4 is some months away |
| 15:32.19 | lauri | there's no conspiracy, and it's not even that interesting: it's just a matter of timing |
| 15:32.19 | straw | spiritz: the person who's done most of the work so far works for a company that feels gnome is their best choice |
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| 15:32.20 | trigo | not to mention the fact that the people who developed xgl use gnome for there distro |
| 15:32.20 | lauri | and really that _is_ the end of this topic (why don't you go make a #compiz and talk in there) |
| 15:32.21 | trigo | heh |
| 15:32.24 | spiritz | lauri : will kde 3.5.2 and maybe .3+ only be made of small changes? |
| 15:32.32 | straw | there's #xgl, yes |
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| 15:32.42 | lauri | bug fixes and l10n updates, the same as minor releases always are |
| 15:33.09 | spiritz | lauri : lol as I told u #compiz is full of gnome people and actually you're the only I have been able to discuss this issue regarding kde :d |
| 15:34.24 | straw | spiritz: it's not really an "issue" per se. as i said, anything that does help compiz work on kde will be a hack external to KDE |
| 15:34.48 | spiritz | straw : al right, thanks for the clarification :) |
| 15:34.58 | lauri | and it's really just about timing and where developers priorities are, no big conspiracy or anything |
| 15:35.45 | straw | kde4 will no doubt have full support for all this new-fangled gee-whiz stuff :) |
| 15:35.51 | lauri | indeed |
| 15:36.03 | lauri | and it'll have had time to shake out the bugs and be solid by the time KDE 4 is out |
| 15:36.10 | lauri | 9 months is practically a century internet time |
| 15:36.32 | trigo | they havent made any kind of anywhere to close to a release time frame have they? |
| 15:36.35 | lauri | if it's anything like composite, most people will have forgotten they were so hot for it before they got it, by then |
| 15:36.44 | trigo | just end of 2006 ya? |
| 15:36.48 | trigo | or perhaps 2007 |
| 15:36.54 | pinotree | we don't know |
| 15:36.56 | lauri | weeelll |
| 15:37.03 | lauri | we're never that good about plans :) |
| 15:37.06 | lauri | it'll be done when it's done |
| 15:37.09 | spiritz | With such huge changes planned for kde 4 , I'm kind of afraid that maybe kde becomes differents from what has made it so sucessful... we'll see, I hope everything is going to be fine. |
| 15:37.18 | trigo | oh i know how that stuff goes |
| 15:37.29 | lauri | spiritz: why? we didn't destroy it all to hell going from 1 to 2 (over a longer timeframe than this) |
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| 15:37.35 | trigo | i just hear the 9-10 months thrown around |
| 15:37.54 | straw | hard to say. the path to kde4 has many twists and turns and beasts along the way |
| 15:39.17 | trigo | well ill ask this again because i dont know if yall were here when i asked last, do either of you know what zack is talking about with |
| 15:39.22 | trigo | "glucose" |
| 15:39.24 | visik7 | how can I get dcopclient dcopref ? |
| 15:39.48 | trigo | i dont know if thats kde specific, but he mentioned it inconjuction with kde a number of times... |
| 15:40.35 | straw | trigo: probably a new lib or some such. and since glucose is sweet... |
| 15:40.58 | lauri | I'm not sure what you're asking visik |
| 15:41.03 | lauri | are you looking for kdcop maybe? |
| 15:41.18 | trigo | yeah i suppose, i dunno he was talking about it replacing xgl and releasing it sometime soon |
| 15:41.32 | trigo | not replacing i guess but, whatever |
| 15:42.23 | straw | trigo: there is a branch of X in the works that'll have many of the features Xgl offers. that's what aiglx/Xair is, iirc |
| 15:42.31 | visik7 | lauri: no |
| 15:42.50 | visik7 | lauri: running dcopclient it ask me a dcopref |
| 15:43.00 | visik7 | $ dcopclient |
| 15:43.00 | visik7 | Usage: dcopclient <dcopref> |
| 15:43.04 | lauri | right |
| 15:43.10 | visik7 | what is that dcopref |
| 15:43.11 | visik7 | ? |
| 15:43.11 | lauri | it's asking what command you want to run via dcopclient |
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| 15:43.16 | visik7 | oh |
| 15:43.48 | lauri | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/scripting-the-desktop.html |
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| 15:43.58 | visik7 | lauri: thanks |
| 15:44.11 | lauri | and this one: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-diy.html#dcop |
| 15:44.19 | tian | hi there |
| 15:44.35 | tian | i have a question for a amarok user are there anny arround? |
| 15:44.45 | lauri | tian: bazillions in #amarok |
| 15:45.01 | lauri | but ask here anyway if you want |
| 15:45.13 | DeadS0ul | lol |
| 15:45.16 | GraveDigger | lol |
| 15:45.21 | tian | my question is rather stupid and simple |
| 15:45.32 | DeadS0ul | shoot then |
| 15:45.46 | tian | i want to know how can i have amarok play continuously through a playlist? |
| 15:45.51 | GraveDigger | there is no dumb question, but only dumb answers |
| 15:46.09 | DeadS0ul | there should be a loop playlist option somewhere |
| 15:46.14 | tian | whatever i do it stops after curent track |
| 15:46.25 | visik7 | lauri: some ppl on #kontact tell me the dcop command is not enought to get a signal provided by kmail KMailIface, a so called unreadCountChanged() and I need to use kdcopclient not dcop itself |
| 15:46.29 | tian | enabled it and still the same |
| 15:46.35 | GraveDigger | tian: in the bottom of its playlist window there's a repeat button |
| 15:46.37 | pinotree | tian: mode -> random mode |
| 15:46.51 | tian | i know i clciked it and it s just the same |
| 15:46.52 | GraveDigger | tian: set this to not to repeat the current track |
| 15:47.00 | lauri | heh, you've pretty much exceeded my limit of dcop fu already visik |
| 15:47.05 | straw | trigo: i'm guessing, but i think it's the accelerated_indirect-0-0-1 branch |
| 15:47.15 | tian | it does not even repeat the curent track if i set it to do so |
| 15:47.26 | visik7 | lauri: :( |
| 15:47.29 | trigo | hrm, intresting |
| 15:48.03 | tian | #amarok |
| 15:48.11 | lauri | yeah, I would ask there |
| 15:48.32 | straw | trigo: but, as lauri said, it's all up to who's interested in doing what and when ;) |
| 15:48.38 | tian | thx i m going to ask there |
| 15:48.45 | tian | have a nice day/night |
| 15:48.48 | DeadS0ul | hey lauri, i updated the strip. read it again adn tell me if you think it's better than before? |
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| 15:49.10 | trigo | aye, im just wondering because in this little tech show he had an interview was talking about how he had something pretty close to release ready |
| 15:49.20 | trigo | i mean like an alpha type release |
| 15:49.47 | straw | trigo: time will tell, i guess |
| 15:49.56 | trigo | aye |
| 15:50.33 | elirips | hello people. i am using kde 3.3.2 and i am very happy with it, except that if i print from within kmail (print-subsystem is cups) the fontsize on the sheet is "huge". on the screen the size of the font is just perfect, but on the printout way too big (like if you would print font Arial in size ~ 14). is there a way to change this? |
| 15:50.54 | lauri | elirips: unfortunately, I think the answer to that one is "upgrade to 3.5.1" |
| 15:50.55 | straw | sigh. people and their damn car alarms... |
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| 15:51.49 | trigo | upgrading kde is fun and exciting |
| 15:51.56 | lauri | well, sometimes |
| 15:52.02 | elirips | lauri, mhh. i cannot do that.. is this a known "bug" of 3.3.2 |
| 15:52.07 | lauri | I just seem to recall that being a known bug |
| 15:52.14 | elirips | trigo, yes, that true :) |
| 15:52.25 | lauri | but 3.3.2 is very old (it's like, 5?6? releases ago) |
| 15:52.47 | trigo | why cant you upgrade? |
| 15:52.59 | elirips | trigo, because i'm using debian sarge |
| 15:53.26 | lauri | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32028 (marked fixed and closed) |
| 15:53.28 | elirips | and it would be a mess to install a kde-backport, then i can as good change to debian sid |
| 15:53.33 | DeadS0ul | DEBIAN! WOOO |
| 15:54.03 | lauri | check you are running in the correct resolution (set your screen size in your X config in millimeters, and let X figure out the DPI, instead of running at 72dpi) |
| 15:54.07 | pinotree | elirips: www.backports.org |
| 15:54.31 | pinotree | elirips: and yes, they're for sarge |
| 15:54.40 | lauri | chances are you have something like 16 pt text on screen, and it's printing that out, but because your screen is not running at the right dpi, it looks smaller on screen than 16 pt really is (because a pt is really 1/72nd of an inch) |
| 15:55.09 | lauri | and 16pt text looks huge when printed |
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| 15:55.34 | elirips | pinotree, i dont like backports very much.. if i don't need them absolutly.. |
| 15:55.50 | elirips | before install a kde 3.5 backport, i can also switch to kubuntu |
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| 15:56.10 | lauri | (run xdpyinfo | grep resolution ) |
| 15:56.21 | elirips | lauri, i just read through the bugreport |
| 15:56.21 | pinotree | yeah, but those backports makes you not reinstall another distro |
| 15:56.43 | elirips | pinotree, are they as stable as the kde version that is in sarge? |
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| 15:57.12 | paq | what needs to be running so that drag'n'drop works? i want to use amarok but without running kde.. it seems to work fine, except for drag'n'drop.. any ideas anyone? |
| 15:57.13 | lauri | elirips: they are the officially supported release of KDE |
| 15:57.27 | pinotree | elirips: don't know, never tried them |
| 15:57.28 | lauri | paq: drag and drop from what to where? |
| 15:57.40 | paq | lauri, just inside amarok, e.g. for re-ordering the playlist |
| 15:57.44 | elirips | lauri, hmhm... kde 3.5 would be nice.. ;) |
| 15:57.47 | lauri | elirips: rather, KDE 3.5.1 is the officially supported by KDE release of KDE |
| 15:58.21 | lauri | paq: then nothing external should be required for that (in fact, nothing external should be required for dragging and dropping into and out of amarok either, but some legacy apps don't deal with d'n'd very nicely) |
| 15:58.42 | paq | lauri, hmm strange.. ok i'm building the latest version right now.. maybe the problem just goes away |
| 15:59.21 | lauri | that said, apparently at least one wm is known to do something really evil to amarok's in playlist d'n'd |
| 15:59.26 | lauri | (that being ion and it's children) |
| 15:59.26 | elirips | lauri, it is always the same: i just love debian (i started with debian some years ago) as once set-up you cannot destroy it, but its software just is outdated.. well, a kde backport.. i could give it a try when i have some more time |
| 15:59.58 | lauri | elirips: understand that while we can of course support older releases, we forget _how_ to eventually |
| 16:00.19 | lauri | KDE is very big, and our poor little brains can only hold so many instances of "oh yeah, that's a known bug" in 'em :) |
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| 16:00.57 | DeadS0ul | man that is an old bug |
| 16:00.57 | elirips | lauri, don't get me wrong, i absolutly don't want to blame the KDE-people that kde 3.3 is in sarge, and not 3.5. i would site that's just the way debian-releases work |
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| 16:01.30 | lauri | trust me, we're well aware of it |
| 16:01.34 | DeadS0ul | elirips: I run debain unstable just to stay up to date =( |
| 16:01.56 | elirips | DeadS0ul, well, I would never run unstable on a machine I use for work |
| 16:02.02 | lauri | paq: is it any drag and drop, to anywhere in the list, or have you been trying to drag things to the top? |
| 16:02.03 | elirips | that's almost suicide |
| 16:02.13 | lauri | (distro love and discussion, probably not on topic here) |
| 16:02.21 | doktoreas | guys anyone ever used kartouche? |
| 16:02.25 | DeadS0ul | elirips: i see, I don't have a problem with it so far =O |
| 16:02.34 | elirips | DeadS0ul, good luck :P |
| 16:02.44 | DeadS0ul | thanx, I might need it hehe |
| 16:02.51 | lauri | paq: because there was a bug at one time where you couldn't drag anything _to the top_ of the list :) |
| 16:03.13 | elirips | DeadS0ul, as long you read the anounce-mailinglist and are *very* carefully when upgrading ;) |
| 16:03.26 | DeadS0ul | really? |
| 16:03.34 | DeadS0ul | i just run apt-get upgrade eveyday =| |
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| 16:04.47 | elirips | DeadS0ul, Once upon a time I had sid, and I did the same, just everyday update, upgrade, and then was out of X because of some bug.. and starting to downgrade again is a pain |
| 16:05.30 | elirips | well, anyway, I have to go, thank you for your help and the great work with KDE! Guess I'll try the backports once.. |
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| 16:06.24 | DeadS0ul | ow |
| 16:06.32 | DeadS0ul | I don't think I could do that downgrade.. |
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| 16:20.15 | pinotree | ~sysadmin |
| 16:20.17 | apt | You can find lots of information useful to sysadmins at http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin and in the User Guide at http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-for-administrators.html |
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| 16:24.59 | Dexter_F | would anyone know what generates the file /etc/fonts/Fontmap ? |
| 16:25.04 | Dexter_F | it's in no package |
| 16:25.54 | GraveDigger | fontconfig does |
| 16:26.10 | DeadS0ul | genrate? |
| 16:26.11 | DeadS0ul | http://cyborg.namedecoder.com/index.php?acronym=Teena&design=edox |
| 16:26.23 | DeadS0ul | why note generate with teh cyborg name generator |
| 16:26.24 | DeadS0ul | ! |
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| 16:39.39 | sredna | Hello |
| 16:39.44 | sredna | :-) |
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| 16:41.21 | flogiston | Where do I set up to start the inloggingmanager? I want to be able to chose user and wm. |
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| 16:43.57 | ricky_ds | When I insert an audio CD, Konqueror just takes one entry of cddb for defining the name of the files while KsCD is asking me which entry of cddb is relevant. How can I make Konqueror also ask me? |
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| 16:58.59 | trigo | hey isnt there a way to do transpencies with like the kmenu under kde 3.4? |
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| 17:00.27 | benJIman | yes |
| 17:00.43 | benJIman | trigo: you can either use composite, or use fake transparency |
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| 17:04.54 | trigo | thanks |
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| 17:07.07 | flogiston | How do I get kdm to show when starting X? |
| 17:07.26 | pinotree | ah, that's not kde task |
| 17:07.31 | flogiston | I want to be able to use an other. |
| 17:07.33 | pinotree | ask in #yourdistro |
| 17:07.46 | flogiston | Isnt it? |
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| 17:07.50 | pinotree | no |
| 17:08.11 | pinotree | init and startup services are distro's tasks |
| 17:08.17 | flogiston | Aaah. |
| 17:08.37 | flogiston | But what inloging managers are there to use? |
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| 17:08.48 | pinotree | ? |
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| 17:10.00 | flogiston | If I want a window where I can choose user and sessions. |
| 17:10.19 | flogiston | Like KDE fluxbox or something else. |
| 17:10.20 | pinotree | that's the login manager |
| 17:10.34 | flogiston | Aah. |
| 17:10.41 | pinotree | and it's distro's task starting a login manager |
| 17:10.55 | pinotree | that's why your question doesnt fit here |
| 17:11.01 | flogiston | I use Kubuntu. |
| 17:11.13 | pinotree | --> #kubuntu then |
| 17:11.39 | flogiston | But I found login settings in systemsettings. |
| 17:12.00 | flogiston | I'll try there then. |
| 17:12.02 | pinotree | systemsettings it's a kubuntu application |
| 17:12.11 | pinotree | it's not in the official kde |
| 17:12.14 | flogiston | Okey. |
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| 17:12.30 | flogiston | I'll try the #kubuntu channel then. |
| 17:12.33 | trigo | im sorry, i have one my randow question. it seems i changed my taskbars apperance and now when you have multiple windows of the same type, like 4 firefoxes. So when you click on the app instead of the selction appearing above the app the menu now appears beside it |
| 17:12.35 | flogiston | Thanks. |
| 17:12.44 | trigo | hrm thats kinda long |
| 17:14.19 | pinotree | trigo: right click on the panel -> configure -> task bar -> "group similar applications" combobox |
| 17:15.27 | trigo | well its not that i dont want it to group similar tasks, i want it to show the popup window up instead of to the left of the task |
| 17:16.22 | trigo | i mean its not a big deal, just slightly annoying |
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| 17:17.39 | trigo | never mind |
| 17:17.46 | trigo | i just moved the panal around and it fixed it |
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| 17:29.19 | Chrisid | does anybody here used XGL+COMPIZ |
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| 17:30.31 | pinotree | Chrisid: wring channel for that |
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| 17:31.08 | GraveDigger | pinotree: is kde capable of using the compiz window manager? or does it in any case *require* kwin? |
| 17:31.22 | pinotree | don't know |
| 17:31.27 | GraveDigger | k |
| 17:31.50 | fredrikh | KDE does not require kwin |
| 17:31.51 | pinotree | all i know is that compiz and kwin&kdesktop fight one each other |
| 17:32.23 | GraveDigger | pinotree: hmm... well, i never gave it a try |
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| 17:32.50 | GraveDigger | pinotree: and somehow i guess i wont even, but await arthur and kde4 to kick butt :D :D :D |
| 17:34.26 | fredrikh | pinotree: you can't run more than one window manager at a time, so kwin and compiz would fight each other :) |
| 17:34.54 | pinotree | fredrikh: of curse -- what i've heard is about kdesktop & compiz, then |
| 17:35.12 | fredrikh | don't know anything about that |
| 17:35.26 | fredrikh | if compiz is fully NETWM compliant it should work |
| 17:35.31 | GraveDigger | well i tried to use xgl with kde apps without any window manager at all |
| 17:35.41 | GraveDigger | but this was more than painful |
| 17:35.52 | GraveDigger | (on a single screen only, of course) |
| 17:35.54 | pinotree | the first days of compiz, many users went here complaining that kdesktop had issues with compiz |
| 17:39.23 | lauri | oh man, this is gonna get old really fast |
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| 17:39.56 | pinotree | lauri: what? |
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| 17:40.22 | tango_ | Is there a konqueror channel or do I just ask here? |
| 17:40.42 | lauri | this compiz stuff |
| 17:40.44 | pinotree | tango_: depends on the question... |
| 17:40.45 | lauri | tango_: ask here |
| 17:40.47 | tango_ | ok |
| 17:40.56 | lauri | if we can't answer, we'll tell you where to go |
| 17:41.13 | tango_ | question is about plugins: I have two flash plugins, and old one and a new one, both in the same directory. opera, mozilla and konqueror see all of them |
| 17:41.17 | lauri | boy, you could take that the wrong way heh |
| 17:41.52 | tango_ | mozilla automatically uses the right one, I can tell opera to use the right one, but konqueror just pretends to act as flash isn't available |
| 17:42.36 | tango_ | in one site, konqueror just offers me to download the .swf file, in another the site keeps redirecting to the noFlash page |
| 17:42.39 | pinotree | tango_: have you tried updating the plugin list in the konqueror dialog? |
| 17:42.42 | tango_ | yes |
| 17:42.47 | tango_ | and I can see both |
| 17:42.55 | lauri | is there any reason you need to keep the old one installed? |
| 17:43.18 | tango_ | hm not really, but the point is that konqueror acts as if flash was not available at all |
| 17:43.26 | tango_ | btw I'm using KDE 3.5.1 on debian unstable |
| 17:43.46 | tango_ | opera picked the wrong one, but I could tell it to use the new one |
| 17:43.47 | lauri | firstly, if you don't need them both for any reason, and it's causing you a problem, I would uninstall the one y ou don't use |
| 17:44.01 | pinotree | yeah, lauri is right... |
| 17:44.04 | tango_ | hm |
| 17:44.08 | tango_ | let's see if that's enough |
| 17:44.51 | lauri | and I seem to recall you can actually specify a filename in the konqueror plugins dialog, instead of letting it scan the whole directory, but I could be misremembering that |
| 17:46.33 | tango_ | lauri, I removed it but it still just asks me if I want to open the swf file |
| 17:46.41 | pinotree | refresh the cache |
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| 17:47.03 | tango_ | aha wait |
| 17:47.08 | tango_ | the other site is working now ... |
| 17:47.38 | tango_ | but www.alpha-shade.com doesn't :P |
| 17:47.42 | tango_ | can you test it? |
| 17:47.48 | pinotree | sicuro |
| 17:47.56 | tango_ | thanks |
| 17:48.08 | tango_ | click on enter |
| 17:48.12 | pinotree | yeah |
| 17:48.16 | pinotree | mm.. |
| 17:48.37 | pinotree | it seems the sites is trying to use a whole swf as page |
| 17:49.51 | tango_ | yes |
| 17:49.52 | pinotree | not as a whole page, only just a page for one of the two frames |
| 17:49.55 | tango_ | ok I found |
| 17:50.01 | tango_ | I found out how to make it work |
| 17:50.24 | tango_ | you have to disable the prompt to save the file in the File Application configuration |
| 17:50.42 | tango_ | for application/x-shockwave-whateveritis |
| 17:50.43 | pinotree | you could set the file associations to open the swf in konqueror directly, and disabling the download confirmation |
| 17:50.49 | tango_ | exactly :) |
| 17:50.58 | pinotree | :) |
| 17:51.14 | tango_ | (btw it's a nice webcomic so feel free to peruse it ;)) |
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| 17:54.14 | Narada_ | what is the shortcut for kompose |
| 17:54.19 | Narada_ | don't know how to start it |
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| 17:57.44 | lauri | alt+f2, type kompose, look in your system tray, configure the keybindings that suit you |
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| 17:58.17 | vieirar | Hi Is there awy I can set a wallpaper from my command line? |
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| 17:59.16 | lauri | yup |
| 17:59.19 | pinotree | dcop |
| 17:59.33 | lauri | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/scripting-the-desktop.html |
| 18:00.51 | vieirar | Thanks' |
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| 18:11.42 | vieirar | dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface setWallpaper /pathtopicutre/picture.jpg returns.... object not accessible |
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| 18:14.22 | Narada_ | hmm it seems i can't drag and drop in kde whereas my colleagues can |
| 18:14.30 | Narada_ | what's the difference other than distro? |
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| 18:16.06 | Agathezol | anyone know why after installing kamera I would have a digital camera option in control center but not be able to use 'kamera:/' from konqueror? (kde 3.4.3-r1 on gentoo) |
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| 18:17.58 | cyB3r44rd | hi there |
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| 18:19.28 | tech9iner | so simplest payroll app known to man would be?.. |
| 18:19.39 | tech9iner | Please fwiw |
| 18:20.01 | tech9iner | oi GraveDigger |
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| 18:22.46 | cyB3r44rd | could someone help me wit this? i have rr4/gentoo with kde 3.5.0. i use konqueror and i often get an error complaining about the cookie service. |
| 18:23.14 | cyB3r44rd | actually it stops. i had the same issue on kubuntu and mandriva too. |
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| 18:28.42 | Narada_ | where can i configure what happens when i double click the title bar |
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| 18:30.47 | vanRijn | Narada_, in the control center, desktop, window behavior |
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| 18:31.06 | Narada_ | thanks |
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| 18:31.58 | vanRijn | surely |
| 18:32.09 | cyB3r44rd | could someone help me wit this? i have rr4/gentoo with kde 3.5.0. i use konqueror and i often get an error complaining about the cookie service. |
| 18:32.47 | vanRijn | cyB3r44rd, get a glass of milk |
| 18:32.56 | Narada_ | lol |
| 18:35.01 | fredE | can someone tell me if their KPDF 3.5.1 crashes upon loading this pdf? http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/LiskovRivestWagner-TweakableBlockCiphers.pdf |
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| 18:36.10 | Narada_ | my FF can open it |
| 18:36.13 | stupendo44 | where can I change the global kde shortcuts, such as CTRL+TAB? |
| 18:36.15 | Narada_ | embedded |
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| 18:36.41 | kay__ | does anybody know how to edit the small menu that popups if you klick with the right mouse button? i'd like to add a terminal. |
| 18:37.02 | Chrisid | whats the kde app that saves the text temporarily when you copy something from a doc |
| 18:37.13 | stupendo44 | Chrisid: Klipper |
| 18:37.21 | Chrisid | ok thanks |
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| 18:40.00 | colter | I have a transparent panel that automatically hides. As soon as I trigger it, it shows a very brief period of white background, then adjusts to the real background. Are there any workarounds for this? |
| 18:40.11 | Narada_ | hmm my windows key doesn't work in kompose |
| 18:40.15 | Narada_ | but shortcuts are assigned to it |
| 18:40.28 | cyB3r44rd | no thanks for no help |
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| 18:52.06 | stupendo44 | question: where can I change the global kde shortcuts, such as CTRL+TAB? |
| 18:52.42 | StevenR | yes, kcontrol --> regional --> kbd shortcuts |
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| 18:59.22 | kay__ | does anybody know how to edit the small menu that popups if you klick with the right mouse button? i'd like to add a terminal. |
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| 19:09.57 | Tomasu | started playing with the kde lirc stuff, and the "auto poulate" button seems to always be disabled.. is that normal? |
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| 19:19.51 | main | hi |
| 19:20.06 | main | can konqueror be extended, like firefox, with various addons? |
| 19:20.20 | IceD^ | main: yes |
| 19:20.36 | main | where is the repository or a central site for them? |
| 19:20.37 | IceD^ | kdeaddons package |
| 19:20.43 | main | i didnt find anything in google:) |
| 19:20.44 | main | oh, ok |
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| 19:21.00 | IceD^ | there are no (almost no?) external extensions |
| 19:21.12 | main | hmm |
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| 19:21.23 | main | i need an adblock and session saver stuff |
| 19:21.29 | main | because i actually use it as my main browser:) |
| 19:21.30 | IceD^ | why do you need them |
| 19:21.40 | IceD^ | there is adblock (3.5+) |
| 19:21.47 | main | ads are annoying, its also nice to save tabs |
| 19:21.52 | IceD^ | and there is session saver (any version) |
| 19:22.06 | main | u mean, kde session saver? |
| 19:22.14 | IceD^ | Settings / Save View Profile |
| 19:22.17 | IceD^ | no |
| 19:22.20 | IceD^ | konqueror's |
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| 19:23.37 | main | can it do it everytime i exit it, automatically? |
| 19:23.50 | IceD^ | dunno |
| 19:23.54 | IceD^ | never need it |
| 19:23.57 | Tomasu | I have to say, KDE's IRKick stuff is absolutely awesome. |
| 19:24.13 | IceD^ | wtf is IRKick? |
| 19:24.29 | main | why isnt there any external extentions, btw? |
| 19:24.48 | IceD^ | main: because everything you need is already onboard |
| 19:24.49 | Tomasu | IceD^: its KDE's lirc controll module. |
| 19:25.10 | Tomasu | makes setting up a remote a breeze :) |
| 19:25.21 | IceD^ | 99.9999% of firefox extensions are useless |
| 19:25.36 | main | true |
| 19:25.44 | main | but there is always that one extention you need:) |
| 19:26.01 | Tomasu | like that one that uses up all your ram! |
| 19:26.07 | Tomasu | thats a nice extension. |
| 19:26.13 | main | they dont use up that much ram |
| 19:26.17 | IceD^ | Tomasu: ;] |
| 19:26.20 | main | my ffx is loaded with extentions :) |
| 19:26.26 | main | about 20 of them |
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| 19:26.37 | Tomasu | I'm talking firefox's RENDERED page caching. |
| 19:26.39 | IceD^ | actually, I'm not using even adblock in konqueror |
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| 19:26.52 | main | why, you like obnoxious flash ads? |
| 19:27.02 | Tomasu | I'm a fairly heavy browser user, so I'll have several windows open, with many tabs in each.. |
| 19:27.09 | IceD^ | just spent few hours and now I have local squid filtering all ads |
| 19:27.43 | Tomasu | ff manages to use up all my ram in no time after a little browsing, whereas konqi can have 5x more tabs, and barely use more ram than if it had 5x less. |
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| 19:28.00 | Tomasu | hmm, I just use Konqi's bultin adblock. |
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| 19:29.53 | pwuertz | is there a way to get prevent konversation to quit when closing the window |
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| 19:30.27 | demone | hello everyone |
| 19:30.33 | demone | anyone here familiar with advanced quanta usage? |
| 19:30.33 | Fri13 | Hi |
| 19:30.38 | WnnR | I tried going to #kmail, but the channel is empty... anyone know how to make sent mail go to an account's Sent folder, rather than the "Local Folders"'s Sent folder? I'd rather not bcc... |
| 19:30.51 | Fri13 | WnnR: try #Kontact |
| 19:31.18 | Fri13 | WnnR: how about setting filter? |
| 19:31.24 | demone | (#quanta is empty, since its a kde app, figured id try in here ) |
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| 19:31.45 | tokamakk | how you guys feel after Torvald's encouraging comments? |
| 19:31.48 | tokamakk | :) |
| 19:31.51 | main | hhhmmm |
| 19:31.59 | Fri13 | tokamakk: what you mean? |
| 19:32.02 | IceD^ | tokamakk: ? |
| 19:32.05 | WnnR | Fri13, didn't think to check that out... it appears you can filter on sent messages... :-) thx. |
| 19:32.08 | main | my konqueror refuses to detect mplayer plugins. |
| 19:32.13 | main | does it even support those? |
| 19:32.19 | IceD^ | main: yes |
| 19:32.20 | Chrisid | maybe hes talking about the time when torvald says kde is better than gnome |
| 19:32.34 | tokamakk | that what he said about Gnome being crap and everyone use KDE instead |
| 19:32.42 | tokamakk | what's was he complaining anyways?? |
| 19:32.42 | Fri13 | Chrisid: yes, i was just thinking same. |
| 19:33.00 | demone | is there a way of forcing quanta to open the same template all the time :-D (i just created a main base template for xhtml files, that i would like quanta to launch every time its started) |
| 19:33.01 | Chrisid | i think about how gnome is too simplified he was complaining about |
| 19:33.16 | demone | ( and as far as asking in #quanta, see my note above about it being deserted :-d ) |
| 19:33.18 | Chrisid | talking about simple stuff, i was looking at simplekde, and one or two things about it i like |
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| 19:34.40 | main | IceD^: can u point me to a webpage with a good tutorial on how to make konqueror work with mplayer? |
| 19:34.42 | Fri13 | Chrisid: Windows is like normal digital pocket camera, Gnome is like half-SLR-pocket camera and KDE is like full Digital SLR camera (what you can use full automatic too ;-)). |
| 19:34.49 | main | i tried adding dirs with those plugins, but that didnt help. |
| 19:34.57 | main | wont detect them after a rescan |
| 19:35.17 | Fri13 | main: what distro you have? |
| 19:35.26 | IceD^ | main: errr |
| 19:35.30 | IceD^ | main: google.com? |
| 19:35.31 | main | suse 10.0, the free version:) |
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| 19:36.25 | Chrisid | Fri13: to add to that: KDE with Gentoo is like a full Digital SLR camera on steriods :P |
| 19:36.43 | main | does the konqis version matter? |
| 19:36.48 | IceD^ | Chrisid: true |
| 19:36.54 | Fri13 | Chrisid: Gentoo+KDE is like digital SLR + GPS :-P |
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| 19:37.04 | IceD^ | however I don't know why KDE+Gentoo is so fast |
| 19:37.07 | tokamakk | Gentoo OWNS the world |
| 19:37.19 | IceD^ | I'm building w/ -O2 |
| 19:37.30 | main | gentoo is super fast with kde, you say ? |
| 19:37.39 | main | maybe i should migrate to gentoo then :) |
| 19:37.43 | IceD^ | and compared to say SuSE it loads 5 times faster |
| 19:37.49 | IceD^ | apps starts in zero time |
| 19:37.50 | IceD^ | etc |
| 19:38.10 | main | but it doesnt use rpm distribution? |
| 19:38.12 | Fri13 | IceD^: Apps starts on my OSS as fast in gentoo ;-) |
| 19:38.21 | tokamakk | lol... I love to hear the Gentoo camraderie |
| 19:38.32 | Fri13 | main: no, gentoo has it own binary package system if you dont like install from source. |
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| 19:38.53 | main | are dependencies easy to manage? (if i install from source) |
| 19:39.13 | Fri13 | I liked use Mandriva few years but after 9.x it started to be slow.... |
| 19:39.15 | IceD^ | main: in gentoo you ALWAYS install from sources |
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| 19:39.26 | main | always eh |
| 19:39.30 | Fri13 | main: read FAQ of gentoo package system... ;-) |
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| 19:39.38 | Fri13 | ebuild... |
| 19:39.40 | main | im curious, is it difficult to migrate from one distro to another? |
| 19:39.45 | main | without blowing up the machine? |
| 19:39.48 | IceD^ | gentoo is ideal for developeras |
| 19:39.50 | tokamakk | emerge Gentoo |
| 19:39.55 | IceD^ | and probably for power users |
| 19:40.02 | Fri13 | main: no, its not difficult, from X distro > Gentoo is just SLOW! |
| 19:40.10 | tokamakk | IceD^: it looks like Gentoo will take over all freenode channels very soon |
| 19:40.13 | IceD^ | for others there is debian |
| 19:40.26 | tapik | ufufuf |
| 19:40.26 | main | i dunno much about linux yet |
| 19:40.36 | main | so i guess ill just use suse for now, at least im familiar with it |
| 19:40.44 | IceD^ | main: gentoo's handbook is easy to follow |
| 19:40.45 | tapik | How it is possible the distribution is slow? |
| 19:40.52 | Fri13 | IceD^: say, how long it take to install new KDE on gentoo? ;-) |
| 19:40.53 | IceD^ | main: you just need to be accurate |
| 19:41.02 | IceD^ | Fri13: err - one night |
| 19:41.08 | IceD^ | haven't measured |
| 19:41.23 | IceD^ | I'm always starting `emerge -Du world` when I come to sleep at Sat |
| 19:41.24 | tokamakk | mmm... sorry to brake this news but I find Gnome faster on my crappy system than KDE that I install on other more powerful computers, all using Gentoo |
| 19:41.33 | Fri13 | tapik: dont know, somehow mandriva was just much slower on my machine.... |
| 19:41.53 | IceD^ | tapik: I don't know as well |
| 19:41.55 | main | can i shrink my ext3 ? |
| 19:41.55 | Fri13 | tokamakk: you just have something wrong ;-) |
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| 19:42.03 | main | so that i can install gentoo onto another partition, to try it out |
| 19:42.04 | Fri13 | main: yes you can. |
| 19:42.05 | tapik | It seems you have not compiled the sources... |
| 19:42.06 | IceD^ | I'm not using any crazy gcc flags (just simple -O2) |
| 19:42.12 | Fri13 | main: check gparted for easy job. |
| 19:42.17 | main | k |
| 19:42.24 | tokamakk | Fri13: I'll check this again as I am working on a friends KDE installation with a p4, mine is a p3 |
| 19:42.34 | main | although recompiling everything sounds odd. |
| 19:42.40 | main | that would involve a lot of time, hehe |
| 19:42.42 | IceD^ | tokamakk: p3 can be times faster than p4 |
| 19:42.53 | main | how come? |
| 19:42.58 | IceD^ | main: one damn night |
| 19:42.59 | tapik | IceD^: which crazy flags? |
| 19:43.07 | IceD^ | tapik: gcc |
| 19:43.15 | tokamakk | anyone using Xorg 7? |
| 19:43.16 | Fri13 | tokamakk: I have one KDE running fine on P3 500Mhz 128RAM , and Gnome is slow on that :-D |
| 19:43.34 | tapik | I know for which the flags, but which flags you have called crazy? |
| 19:43.39 | IceD^ | main: stage1 -> working system w/ KDE --> few hours at evening + one night of compiling + few hours at morning |
| 19:43.49 | Fri13 | next thing what i do is i add more ram so it has 512... |
| 19:43.51 | tokamakk | Fri13: aha... well actually you are right... even Gnome ppl say that which is something they are trying to fix on 2.14 release |
| 19:43.52 | main | but if id prefer to use rpms on gentoo, would that break anything? |
| 19:44.11 | main | in case id need something fast |
| 19:44.12 | tapik | main: I don't think so |
| 19:44.13 | Fri13 | tokamakk: but it dosent matter on these days wich one is faster.... |
| 19:44.27 | IceD^ | tapik: there are some `I need extra fast system` guys w/ -O666 -ffast-math -fother-stupid-flag..... |
| 19:44.40 | tokamakk | NOOOO... argh.. is not there yet |
| 19:44.42 | Fri13 | main: you dont need RPM:s... gentoos own portage system use ebuilds... if you like to do fast install. |
| 19:44.51 | IceD^ | main: common package will take ~10 mins to build |
| 19:45.10 | IceD^ | main: there are several monsters like kde or openoffice which takes hours |
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| 19:45.15 | tokamakk | Fri13: I think even with Gentoo you can install rpms right? |
| 19:45.20 | main | interesting |
| 19:45.26 | tapik | Oh yes, but I'm using the full optimizations on my Open SuSE and it works well |
| 19:45.28 | IceD^ | but you will get all thouse after first night :) |
| 19:45.37 | stevenm | Hello. Is there a way to get kwin to start any newly created windows as raised instead of minimized? |
| 19:45.44 | tokamakk | main if you wanna learn about Linux take on Gentoo installation, and go to /j #gentoo |
| 19:45.45 | main | what do i need to backup to move to another distro? |
| 19:45.50 | main | home dir, what else? |
| 19:45.53 | main | tokamakk: ok:) |
| 19:46.01 | tapik | main:etc |
| 19:46.02 | IceD^ | tokamakk: for learning there is LFS :)) |
| 19:46.16 | Fri13 | IceD^: Im about to install gentoo to test it on this PC but that one night install is.... too long time for me :-D reason=cant get sleep before i can play with new system. |
| 19:46.25 | Ze_M | who the hell is scanning my ports??? |
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| 19:46.31 | IceD^ | Fri13: heh :) |
| 19:46.40 | IceD^ | Fri13: start installation before going to work |
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| 19:46.52 | IceD^ | Fri13: or use stage3 |
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| 19:46.57 | Fri13 | IceD^: Good lord full time student dont need go to work :-P |
| 19:46.58 | IceD^ | or you can even try fantoo |
| 19:47.23 | IceD^ | you can install fantoo in few minutes |
| 19:47.35 | IceD^ | http://fantoo.ru/ |
| 19:47.42 | IceD^ | (russian only AFAIK) |
| 19:47.42 | tokamakk | or try Kororaa |
| 19:48.09 | tapik | Or you can run Monkey Linux from one floppy without installation LOL ;-) |
| 19:48.22 | IceD^ | fantoo is stage4 for gentoo |
| 19:48.26 | Fri13 | IceD^: but i think installing gentoo takes much less time than installing windows + softwares what i need.... it takes full day (over 10h) on me to install windows + SP2... |
| 19:48.28 | IceD^ | completly working system |
| 19:48.40 | Fri13 | + software what i want... |
| 19:48.46 | IceD^ | Fri13: I do have windows @home |
| 19:48.53 | IceD^ | on separate HDD |
| 19:49.03 | IceD^ | it took me ~1.5h to install w/ all necessary sw |
| 19:49.04 | tapik | IceD^: it's your problem, not us |
| 19:49.17 | IceD^ | windows + FAR + painkiller |
| 19:49.22 | IceD^ | that is :) |
| 19:49.23 | tapik | IceD^: that you have Wirdoze ;-) |
| 19:49.23 | tokamakk | please don't remind me of m$$ terror |
| 19:49.36 | tokamakk | lol@weirdoze |
| 19:49.45 | Fri13 | windows + drivers + software = takes too long :D |
| 19:49.48 | IceD^ | tokamakk: windows is good game launcher |
| 19:49.54 | IceD^ | nothing more |
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| 19:50.22 | tapik | So guys I think that it is not good to compare time of installation |
| 19:50.22 | Fri13 | IceD^: Yes, windows is good for that + windows is best operation system to show how good other OS's are :-D |
| 19:50.22 | tapik | It's necessary to compare the distro |
| 19:50.23 | tokamakk | mmm... how about tuxracer!!! |
| 19:50.25 | tapik | or th eOS |
| 19:50.35 | Fri13 | eOS? |
| 19:51.03 | IceD^ | tokamakk: linux quake4 shows 10% more FPS than windows quake4 (on the same box) |
| 19:51.03 | tapik | To install whole SuSE and configure it takes me about three days |
| 19:51.14 | IceD^ | tapik: huh? |
| 19:51.18 | tapik | Yes. |
| 19:51.22 | IceD^ | ugly |
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| 19:51.27 | tapik | No |
| 19:51.36 | tapik | To configure all programs.... |
| 19:51.55 | tapik | Suse has five CDs |
| 19:52.02 | Fri13 | tapik: 1 DVD ;-) |
| 19:52.16 | tapik | I have no DVD-rom :-( |
| 19:52.26 | tapik | And to compile it.... |
| 19:52.32 | tapik | The whole distro |
| 19:52.35 | kirun | You're not actually required to install all the packages, just because they are there :) |
| 19:53.02 | Fri13 | kirun: "yes we are, we are the borg" |
| 19:53.06 | IceD^ | tapik: compile? suse?!? |
| 19:53.08 | tapik | No, but usually we use most of them |
| 19:53.09 | Fri13 | ....or how it went x-) |
| 19:53.12 | tapik | Yes |
| 19:53.17 | IceD^ | tapik: heh - me not |
| 19:53.18 | tapik | From srpms |
| 19:53.21 | IceD^ | lemme count: |
| 19:53.39 | tokamakk | I have installed 3.5.1 on a friend |
| 19:53.45 | IceD^ | konsole + vim + emacs + xchat + konqueror + kmail + kopete + amarok |
| 19:53.50 | IceD^ | from user space |
| 19:54.08 | tapik | wihtout kernel? |
| 19:54.10 | IceD^ | and few dozens of dev tools |
| 19:54.11 | Fri13 | LOL |
| 19:54.12 | tapik | ;-) |
| 19:54.22 | IceD^ | tapik: and base system of course :] |
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| 19:54.52 | tapik | You know, I'm preparing SuSE for people around me |
| 19:54.57 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
| 19:55.03 | tapik | And they are usually don;t know what to do ;-) |
| 19:55.07 | CHodapp | Moo. |
| 19:55.29 | Fri13 | IceD^: thats one reason why i cant take gentoo... i have use to do so that when i need one software what i have not installed, it takes 10seconds to install and i'm using it happily :-P |
| 19:55.31 | tapik | But if you would like to compile KDE, OOo, kernel, FireFox,... |
| 19:55.37 | EnsignRedshirt | Any Kile users here? Is there any way to prevent the spell check from checking math formulas? |
| 19:56.03 | tokamakk | tapik: compiling OOo is better than the binaries... |
| 19:56.17 | IceD^ | tokamakk: false |
| 19:56.31 | IceD^ | binary OOo works the same as built from sources |
| 19:56.42 | IceD^ | OOo2 |
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| 19:58.27 | tokamakk | IceD^: well I compiled OOo from source and it was flawless as when I installed the bin there a few quirks, weird behaviors |
| 19:58.48 | Fri13 | OOo + java disabled = fast as rocket! |
| 20:02.07 | feindbild | OOo&&!Java==no database |
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| 20:02.29 | tokamakk | do I need the -oss USE flag? I think that's for the old sound system in linux right? |
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| 20:02.56 | tstaerk | tokamakk, are you trying to compile KDE 4? |
| 20:03.00 | tokamakk | no |
| 20:03.16 | tokamakk | I have some USE flags that show -oss may be I don't need oss USE flag |
| 20:03.25 | tokamakk | 'cause oss is not alsa right? |
| 20:03.33 | tokamakk | if I have alsa I am alright right? |
| 20:03.52 | tstaerk | what are USE flags ? |
| 20:03.59 | hussam | did someone say kde 4? :) |
| 20:04.10 | tstaerk | hussam, my soul-relative! |
| 20:04.19 | lauri | tstaerk: gentoo stuff |
| 20:04.26 | tokamakk | hussam: yeah i have installed KDE 4 pre-alpha |
| 20:04.49 | lauri | well, best of luck to you with that |
| 20:04.49 | tokamakk | if I don't need oss I recompile the packages without oss |
| 20:04.59 | hussam | tokamakk: screenie, please sir. :) |
| 20:05.11 | IceD^ | there is OSS emu in alsa |
| 20:05.20 | IceD^ | and some apps can only speak OSS |
| 20:05.21 | tokamakk | hussam: I can't 'cause it's top secret |
| 20:05.34 | tokamakk | IceD^: so I definately don't need the oss USE flag then |
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| 20:05.43 | IceD^ | tokamakk: it'll not harm |
| 20:05.44 | tokamakk | I can get rid of oss on all my packages |
| 20:05.49 | tokamakk | okis |
| 20:05.53 | hussam | tokamakk: ok :) |
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| 20:06.36 | hussam | tokamakk: you're a kde developer, right? |
| 20:06.58 | tstaerk | I never met a developer using gentoo |
| 20:07.03 | lauri | me either |
| 20:07.07 | tokamakk | hussam: mm.. I am newbi :) |
| 20:07.18 | tokamakk | I don't know how to code :( |
| 20:07.18 | lauri | tokamakk: I don't know what you're expecting from KDE 4 at this point |
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| 20:07.32 | IceD^ | tstaerk: me |
| 20:07.35 | lauri | but if you are expecting anything that is actually useful to run for a user, you will be sorely disappointed |
| 20:07.41 | dashinho | how can I add a System Tray to a pannel? |
| 20:07.46 | IceD^ | tstaerk: I'm dev and I'm using gentoo |
| 20:07.46 | lauri | IceD^: and you are who? |
| 20:07.52 | tstaerk | IceD^, accepted :) |
| 20:07.57 | lauri | dashinho: right click on it, add an applet |
| 20:08.03 | lauri | if it's not already there, it is by default |
| 20:08.15 | tstaerk | IceD^, yes, what is your svn name ? |
| 20:08.19 | IceD^ | lauri: huh? |
| 20:08.28 | IceD^ | ahh |
| 20:08.35 | IceD^ | I'm not KDE dev :) |
| 20:08.39 | dashinho | lauri, i dont have system tray on my applet list |
| 20:08.42 | lauri | as I thought :) |
| 20:08.55 | lauri | tstaerk: we need to refine that to "I never met a KDE developer who uses gentoo" |
| 20:09.09 | tstaerk | ack :) |
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| 20:09.28 | IceD^ | lauri: /j #amarok |
| 20:09.36 | tstaerk | lauri, you are Lauri Watts ? |
| 20:09.43 | lauri | last time I checked I was |
| 20:09.46 | IceD^ | lots of 'rok devs uses gentoo |
| 20:09.54 | dashinho | lauri, nvm found it. |
| 20:10.02 | tokamakk | lauri: are you for real? KDE developers don't use Gentoo :( |
| 20:10.10 | lauri | tokamakk: I am for real |
| 20:10.14 | tokamakk | I wonder what distro Linus Torval uses... |
| 20:10.15 | tstaerk | lauri, cool - the KArm documenter |
| 20:10.22 | lauri | I guessed you were :) |
| 20:10.28 | tokamakk | lauri: WHY NOT?! |
| 20:10.31 | lauri | man I need to get back to work |
| 20:10.39 | tstaerk | tokamakk, at home suse, at work redhat |
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| 20:10.46 | lauri | tokamakk: distro wars are off topic here, I'd prefer to not start one |
| 20:10.59 | hussam | I think Linus uses a ppc, right? |
| 20:11.13 | ^_-yairgo` | when i run startkde it says xsetroot: unable to open display '', #impulse101 |
| 20:11.18 | lauri | IceD^: all the ones I've met in person weren't using gentoo when I peeped at their lappies :) |
| 20:11.19 | ^_-yairgo` | oops |
| 20:11.24 | ^_-yairgo` | when i run startkde it says xsetroot: unable to open display '', #impulse101 |
| 20:11.25 | ^_-yairgo` | adljfa |
| 20:11.27 | ^_-yairgo` | i quit life |
| 20:11.30 | IceD^ | lauri: we are not starting any distro war :))) |
| 20:11.32 | tokamakk | how about Stalwart? What distro wm,dm does he use?? |
| 20:11.40 | lauri | who is stalwart? |
| 20:11.48 | tokamakk | Stallman |
| 20:11.50 | tokamakk | whatever |
| 20:11.52 | lauri | ^_-yairgo`: your nick is astonishingly annoying to type |
| 20:11.54 | tokamakk | the GPL keeper |
| 20:11.57 | lauri | enough I nearly didn't bother to answer your question :) |
| 20:12.03 | lauri | thank you :) |
| 20:12.04 | tstaerk | ^_-yairgo`, what is your $DISPLAY ? |
| 20:12.14 | yairgo` | lauri sorry it was for a different server |
| 20:12.29 | yairgo` | where can i find it |
| 20:12.32 | lauri | yairgo`: chances are pretty good you have either a permission problem (careless su'ing leading to parts of your home directory being root owned and not readable by your user) |
| 20:13.02 | lauri | or a different permission problem (careless directory creation, possibly not on your behalf, leading to vital temporary directories that X needs to work being not usable by your user) |
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| 20:13.28 | IceD^ | heh |
| 20:13.30 | lauri | for the first case, check your ~/.Xauthority |
| 20:13.38 | IceD^ | there are a lot of alive guys here |
| 20:13.43 | yairgo` | when i do startX it gives me a 1000 Elf_relocateEntry() unsupported relocation type ## |
| 20:13.55 | IceD^ | so can somebody tell me why TTF fonts in KDE are __SO__ slow |
| 20:14.05 | yairgo` | that file is empty lauri |
| 20:14.06 | lauri | for the latter, check /tmp/.ICE-Unix and /tmp/.X11-Unix are both present, and chmodded 1777 |
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| 20:14.15 | lauri | yairgo`: yes, check the permissions on it though |
| 20:14.36 | lauri | (and the two directories in /tmp should be root:root or root:wheel owned, as appropriate for your operating system) |
| 20:14.48 | yairgo` | -rw-------- |
| 20:14.57 | tstaerk | yairgo`, owner ? |
| 20:15.02 | yairgo` | its my laptop yes |
| 20:15.06 | lauri | IceD^: they are not, it must be a gentoo thing (or you have hundreds installed, in which case it's fontconfig's fault not KDE's) |
| 20:15.10 | IceD^ | e.g. konsole with terminus (bitmap) font redraws in 0.0 |
| 20:15.17 | lauri | yairgo`: and you are logged in as yourself |
| 20:15.24 | yairgo` | logged in as root |
| 20:15.25 | lauri | oh! |
| 20:15.29 | lauri | I just re-read your question |
| 20:15.36 | IceD^ | konsole with bitstream takes ~1 second to redraw |
| 20:15.38 | lauri | you are not running startkde in a terminal yourself are you? |
| 20:15.48 | lauri | ahh, IceD^: don't do that |
| 20:15.50 | yairgo` | well what am i supposed to do? |
| 20:15.50 | IceD^ | lauri: can you point me to doc / good config / something |
| 20:15.55 | lauri | aa'd fonts in a terminal app are just nasty |
| 20:16.02 | IceD^ | lauri: what? |
| 20:16.05 | lauri | find a nice bitmap font, I highly recommend jmk's neep |
| 20:16.10 | lauri | really |
| 20:16.17 | lauri | trust me on this, I have an honest face |
| 20:16.20 | IceD^ | lauri: I need cyrillic font :) |
| 20:16.24 | SirKillalot | do you know a program which can turn off my display? |
| 20:16.34 | lauri | yairgo`: you create a .xinitrc and put 'exec startkde' in it |
| 20:16.37 | lauri | and then you run startx |
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| 20:16.53 | lauri | startkde needs to be run _after_ X has started up - that's how you do it |
| 20:16.53 | IceD^ | or, better, unicode |
| 20:16.53 | IceD^ | I need to see norvegian + belarussian as well |
| 20:17.00 | yairgo` | already done |
| 20:17.01 | tstaerk | SirKillalot, to save power or to lock your screen from colleagues ? |
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| 20:17.04 | lauri | IceD^: norwegian is latin-1, any font will do :) |
| 20:17.10 | SirKillalot | tstaerk, do save power |
| 20:17.11 | IceD^ | lauri: btw - konqueror is redrawing slow as well |
| 20:17.31 | lauri | IceD^: I think jmk actually has cyrillic |
| 20:17.35 | lauri | let me look |
| 20:18.09 | tstaerk | SirKillalot, kcontrol -> periphals -> display -> power control |
| 20:18.27 | SirKillalot | tstaerk, I want to turn it off by a terminal |
| 20:18.32 | lauri | Nicest bitmap/monospaced font _ever_ : http://www.jmknoble.net/fonts/ |
| 20:18.32 | SirKillalot | you know how? |
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| 20:18.53 | lauri | yairgo`: did it work that way? |
| 20:18.59 | yairgo` | lauri my .xinitrc file was already set up |
| 20:19.00 | IceD^ | lauri: lemme try |
| 20:19.02 | yairgo` | i just rebooted |
| 20:19.06 | tstaerk | SirKillalot, no, but I try now if kpowersaved has a dcop interface |
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| 20:19.17 | lauri | IceD^: not in cyrillic unfortunately, but let me go troll my bookmarks |
| 20:20.16 | tstaerk | SirKillalot, seems I was right: |
| 20:20.29 | tstaerk | dcop kpowersave KPowersaveIface |
| 20:20.41 | tstaerk | gives you something to experiment |
| 20:20.44 | IceD^ | lauri: I can live w/ terminus |
| 20:20.48 | SirKillalot | tstaerk, thank you |
| 20:20.59 | IceD^ | lauri: but what about konqueror? |
| 20:21.14 | IceD^ | when I programmed one app in QT |
| 20:21.17 | lauri | IceD^: honestly, I don't know, it could be any number of things |
| 20:21.30 | IceD^ | I noticed that fonts rendering is damn slow |
| 20:21.41 | SirKillalot | tstaerk, but i do not have kpowersave in dcop :-/ |
| 20:21.42 | lauri | there is something odd on your config then |
| 20:21.42 | SirKillalot | do you? |
| 20:21.54 | IceD^ | fortunately it was necessary to use only proportional fonts there |
| 20:22.04 | IceD^ | so I cached them on offscreen image |
| 20:22.13 | lauri | I'm a total font geek, I'd whine like a whiny thing if fonts gave me trouble |
| 20:22.22 | tstaerk | SirKillalot, yes. KDE 3.5 |
| 20:22.52 | IceD^ | but I rememeber that konqueror was fast |
| 20:23.18 | yairgo` | i really hate how much stuff i have to do to get this working |
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| 20:23.25 | SirKillalot | tstaerk, got 3.5.1... |
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| 20:23.45 | lauri | yairgo`: do what? to make KDE go? it's really that simple (put the command in .xinitrc, run startx) |
| 20:24.11 | lauri | IceD^: you going to be around later/tomorrow? |
| 20:24.23 | yairgo` | i cant right now, my computer is rebooting and checking my hda4 because it has been mounted 20 times without being checked |
| 20:24.24 | IceD^ | lauri: probably yes |
| 20:24.25 | tstaerk | SirKillalot, you need the package kpowersave. But do not spend your time on this |
| 20:24.25 | lauri | I have some stuff to take care of, I'll help you debug it later though |
| 20:24.41 | tstaerk | SirKillalot, I experimented around and did not manage switching the display off. |
| 20:24.44 | IceD^ | sure :) |
| 20:24.52 | lauri | (is that fsck for no reason a linux thing?) |
| 20:25.12 | lauri | and why can't it do it after the OS has booted? silly pingvin thingy |
| 20:25.24 | yairgo` | lol? penguin? |
| 20:25.48 | lauri | tstaerk: I suspect you can actually do that via kscreensaver or maybe kdesktoplock |
| 20:25.58 | lauri | since they're hooked into the monitor power saving routines anyway |
| 20:26.00 | SirKillalot | tstaerk, ok thanks anyway |
| 20:26.02 | lauri | just a stab though |
| 20:26.12 | tstaerk | SirKillalot, see lauri's idea |
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| 20:28.27 | lauri | and, wrong channel |
| 20:28.35 | lauri | (although, y'all can probably answer that here just as well) |
| 20:28.56 | tstaerk | lauri, is lauri a female name ? |
| 20:29.03 | yairgo` | lauri how do i run .xinitrc |
| 20:30.27 | tstaerk | yairgo`, by logging in graphically |
| 20:30.35 | yairgo` | ok |
| 20:30.38 | yairgo` | im at console |
| 20:30.41 | yairgo` | just logged into root |
| 20:30.56 | lauri | tstaerk: unless you are finnish or estonian, yes |
| 20:31.08 | lauri | and if you are finnish or estonian, or know a lot of finns or estonians, then no |
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| 20:31.16 | lauri | you can imagine the confusion it causes for me living in Sweden |
| 20:31.25 | yairgo` | lauri lol |
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| 20:31.40 | lauri | when my youngest daughter started school last year, we went to the parent teacher meeting, and noticed we were the last ones there |
| 20:32.18 | lauri | turns out the teacher had cautiously invited all the other parents to come 15 minutes earlier, so she could warn them not to be rude/confused/shocked/whatever, I don't know, by the gay couple :) |
| 20:32.49 | tstaerk | ;) |
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| 20:33.05 | lauri | we live in a little itty bitty town, such a thing would be entirely novel here... turns out all they got was a swedish dude and his perfectly female, but very foreign girlfriend |
| 20:33.08 | yairgo` | sooooo how do i run .xinitrc? |
| 20:33.14 | lauri | yairgo`: you don't, you run startx |
| 20:33.21 | yairgo` | but you said |
| 20:33.23 | yairgo` | to run it frist |
| 20:33.27 | yairgo` | so i just type startx |
| 20:33.30 | lauri | I said, put the command in .xinitrc |
| 20:33.32 | yairgo` | and then its good |
| 20:33.32 | lauri | and run startx |
| 20:33.41 | yairgo` | i did |
| 20:33.50 | lauri | and when you type startx, what happens? |
| 20:33.50 | yairgo` | the command was in .xinitrc already |
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| 20:33.53 | lauri | yes.. |
| 20:33.58 | yairgo` | unknown host |
| 20:34.13 | lauri | heh, ok, so fix that |
| 20:34.24 | yairgo` | and a 1000 lines of Elc_RelocateEntry() Unsupported reloaction type and a number after that |
| 20:34.40 | lauri | you either don't have a hostname set, or don't have it set properly, or need to put an entry in /etc/hosts for localhost |
| 20:35.15 | yairgo` | so just put host hostname? |
| 20:35.17 | lauri | so first: if you type 'hostname' what happens (ignore the rest of the errors, the rule of thumb in fixing any unixy problem is fix the _first_ error you see, and try again, error messages tend to cascade) |
| 20:35.25 | lauri | no, just type hostname, and see what answer you get |
| 20:35.39 | yairgo` | yairlap |
| 20:35.47 | tstaerk | and please type echo $DISPLAY |
| 20:35.58 | yairgo` | tstaerk blank |
| 20:36.00 | lauri | ok, so yairlap is your hostname |
| 20:36.19 | lauri | now try "host yairlap" |
| 20:36.23 | lauri | and see what happens |
| 20:36.39 | yairgo` | in my /etc/hosts file correct? |
| 20:36.49 | lauri | no, on the commandline |
| 20:37.03 | lauri | (we might have to edit /etc/hosts, but let's do this one step at a time first) |
| 20:37.04 | yairgo` | command not found |
| 20:37.18 | lauri | eh? |
| 20:37.27 | lauri | (I am completely linux challenged, forgive me :) |
| 20:37.27 | tstaerk | yairgo`, distro ? |
| 20:37.28 | yairgo` | lol -bash: host: command not found |
| 20:37.33 | yairgo` | gentoo |
| 20:37.46 | yairgo` | im soooooooooo lost |
| 20:37.52 | lauri | try: nslookup yairlap |
| 20:38.12 | yairgo` | -bash: nslookup: command not found |
| 20:38.13 | lauri | (if you don't get an answer nearly immediately, hit ctrl-c and kill it, or it'll take ages to time out) |
| 20:38.13 | yairgo` | ... |
| 20:38.16 | lauri | oh dearie me |
| 20:38.23 | yairgo` | i dont get it |
| 20:38.30 | lauri | "echo $PATH" please |
| 20:38.53 | yairgo` | its kinda long wnat me to type it all out |
| 20:39.13 | lauri | you can't cut and paste? |
| 20:39.43 | lauri | it could be you have an error in your path spec, and it's not finding things |
| 20:39.53 | IceD^ | yairgo`: gentoo? |
| 20:39.59 | tstaerk | yairgo`, I am neither sure. Are you in this chat with a non-graphic irc client ? |
| 20:40.02 | tstaerk | IceD^, yes |
| 20:40.07 | lauri | or it could be that gentoo's amazingly granular packaging has left you bereft of host and nslookup binaries, and you need to install them |
| 20:40.18 | lauri | but that'd be too weird |
| 20:40.19 | IceD^ | yairgo`: tell me how you managed to fsck things so bad in gentoo? |
| 20:40.21 | yairgo` | i am on 2 computers |
| 20:40.34 | yairgo` | IceD^ i dont konw i followed the manula? |
| 20:40.44 | lauri | IceD^: can you please rule out option 2 for me, so I can concentrate on option 1 :) |
| 20:40.48 | GerbilSoft | yairgo`: emerge bind-tools |
| 20:40.50 | IceD^ | yairgo`: type startkde |
| 20:40.52 | GerbilSoft | that package has host, nslookup, etc |
| 20:40.53 | lauri | omfg |
| 20:40.55 | lauri | yairgo`: noooooo |
| 20:40.59 | lauri | don't type startkde |
| 20:41.00 | yairgo` | . /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.4.4:/opt/ati/bin:/opt/blackdown-jre-1.4.2.03/bin:usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/kde/3.4/sbin:/usr/kde/3.4/bin |
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| 20:41.27 | lauri | IceD^: that is not how you start X, and is just going to spew errors all over the place again |
| 20:43.05 | yairgo` | how is it possible to screw things up following a manual????????? sadface |
| 20:43.14 | IceD^ | btw |
| 20:43.28 | IceD^ | yairgo`: what hostname tells you? |
| 20:43.43 | tstaerk | IceD^, we had this already |
| 20:43.43 | IceD^ | ahha |
| 20:43.44 | lauri | ok, what do you have in your /etc/hosts file |
| 20:43.52 | yairgo` | yairlap |
| 20:43.53 | IceD^ | you are just installed? |
| 20:43.53 | lauri | IceD^: scroll up :) |
| 20:43.59 | yairgo` | yes i am just installed |
| 20:44.02 | lauri | yairgo`: that's all? |
| 20:44.10 | yairgo` | no thats my hostname |
| 20:44.11 | lauri | ok, do you have a static ip address, or dhcp |
| 20:44.15 | yairgo` | my hosts says |
| 20:44.15 | IceD^ | hostname!!! |
| 20:44.15 | IceD^ | tstaerk: missed this one |
| 20:44.18 | lauri | yairgo`: stick with one of us |
| 20:44.25 | IceD^ | <yairgo`> tstaerk blank |
| 20:44.25 | IceD^ | ahha |
| 20:44.26 | lauri | IceD^: it says yairlap, we already did this bit :) |
| 20:44.31 | yairgo` | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 20:44.34 | tstaerk | IceD^, the hostname is yairlap |
| 20:44.45 | yairgo` | ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback |
| 20:44.55 | yairgo` | fe00::0 ip6-localnet |
| 20:45.00 | IceD^ | so hostname is blank |
| 20:45.05 | yairgo` | ff00:0 ip6-mcastprefix |
| 20:45.09 | yairgo` | there is no hostname |
| 20:45.17 | yairgo` | ff02::1 ip6-allnodes |
| 20:45.25 | yairgo` | ff02::2 ip6-allrouters |
| 20:45.27 | lauri | ok |
| 20:45.32 | lauri | stick with me yairgo` |
| 20:45.33 | yairgo` | ff02::3 ip6-allhosts |
| 20:45.34 | yairgo` | im sticking |
| 20:45.39 | yairgo` | thats all that is in the file |
| 20:45.45 | IceD^ | ah |
| 20:45.58 | lauri | yairgo: static ip or dhcp |
| 20:46.01 | yairgo` | dhcp |
| 20:46.18 | lauri | if you have a static ip, you need two lines: |
| 20:46.29 | lauri | ok, dhcp, just one |
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| 20:46.42 | yairgo` | ok |
| 20:46.52 | lauri | 127.0.0.1 localhost.yourdomain.org localhost yourhostname |
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| 20:46.59 | lauri | where yourhostname is yairlap |
| 20:47.07 | yairgo` | i dont have a domain |
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| 20:47.10 | lauri | and yourdomain.org is something you make up if you must |
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| 20:47.19 | HeavenWarrior | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.25 | yairgo` | ok what if i dont have anything to make up, just leave it blank? |
| 20:47.39 | lauri | yairgo`: no, that's the problem, it's not there |
| 20:47.54 | lauri | localhost.iscool.com is fine |
| 20:47.56 | lauri | anything |
| 20:48.01 | yairgo` | ok so i did 127.0.0.1 localhost.emptyapologies.com localhost yairlap |
| 20:48.05 | lauri | that's fine |
| 20:48.11 | yairgo` | ok |
| 20:48.17 | yairgo` | saved and exited |
| 20:48.26 | lauri | now try run startx again (and if that doesn't work, please install bind-tools so we have some networking debug foo to work with) |
| 20:49.16 | yairgo` | is till got 1000 Elf_RelocateEntry() Unsupported Relocation type 4 |
| 20:49.18 | yairgo` | is till got 1000 Elf_RelocateEntry() Unsupported Relocation type 9 |
| 20:49.19 | yairgo` | is till got 1000 Elf_RelocateEntry() Unsupported Relocation type 3 |
| 20:49.24 | yairgo` | of those lines |
| 20:49.31 | lauri | ok, so we fixed the network problem |
| 20:49.37 | lauri | and KDE X is starting |
| 20:49.41 | lauri | it's just broken :) |
| 20:49.49 | yairgo` | lol |
| 20:50.00 | yairgo` | can i say i hate you and like you at the same time? lol |
| 20:51.06 | yairgo` | hey i checked the log file, and it appears that the Elf_RelocateEntry() Unsupported Relocation type 4 is the first error |
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| 20:51.46 | tstaerk | yairgo`, that sounds like a severe linker failure |
| 20:51.55 | tstaerk | yairgo`, how did you install KDE ? |
| 20:52.11 | yairgo` | woops holdon Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (no such file or directory) |
| 20:52.47 | yairgo` | tstaerk http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KDE_Desktop_for_the_end-user |
| 20:53.47 | IceD^ | yairgo`: looks like kernel misconfiguration |
| 20:53.59 | IceD^ | yairgo`: use genkernel please |
| 20:54.02 | yairgo` | i did |
| 20:54.11 | IceD^ | yairgo`: instead of manual configuration |
| 20:54.15 | yairgo` | yes |
| 20:54.22 | IceD^ | hmm |
| 20:54.24 | lauri | heh, sorry, i needed to go make more coffee for this |
| 20:54.30 | yairgo` | lol lauri |
| 20:54.52 | yairgo` | did genkernal all |
| 20:55.13 | yairgo` | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1&chap=7#genkernel |
| 20:56.09 | tstaerk | yairgo`, please try startkde - although lauri is right this might not work. I made a different experience. |
| 20:56.30 | yairgo` | xsetroot unable to open display '' |
| 20:56.42 | yairgo` | xset: unable to open display "" |
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| 20:56.46 | yairgo` | xsetroot unable to open display '' |
| 20:56.50 | tstaerk | yairgo`, stop it |
| 20:56.51 | yairgo` | startkde starting up... |
| 20:56.59 | yairgo` | startkde: running kpersonalizer... |
| 20:57.04 | yairgo` | kwin: cannot connect to X server |
| 20:57.06 | tstaerk | yairgo`, try the command X |
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| 20:57.15 | yairgo` | just X |
| 20:57.15 | IceD^ | yairgo`: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=256781&sid=2b11416a909757b57d049278adb90244 |
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| 20:57.20 | tstaerk | yairgo`, exactly. X starts the X server. |
| 20:57.20 | IceD^ | that is |
| 20:57.25 | tstaerk | yairgo`, just X |
| 20:57.25 | IceD^ | gcc --verison |
| 20:57.30 | yairgo` | it did the same thing as startX |
| 20:57.47 | tstaerk | which was that ELF error |
| 20:57.48 | tstaerk | ? |
| 20:58.12 | lauri | runnig startkde will never work, because it expects to be run in already running X session |
| 20:58.26 | IceD^ | lauri: tstaerk: stoooop |
| 20:58.29 | lauri | running X does not run .xinitrc, running startx does |
| 20:58.31 | tstaerk | lauri, however, I once worked at me |
| 20:58.35 | lauri | so basically, your X server is hosed |
| 20:58.38 | IceD^ | problem is known :) |
| 20:58.50 | lauri | so I now turn you over to the local gentoo expertise, IceD^ |
| 20:58.57 | yairgo` | Elf_RelocateEntry() Unsupported Relocation type 4 |
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| 20:59.15 | yairgo` | IceD^ i need to do gcc --version? |
| 20:59.22 | lauri | tstaerk: I don't put it past some distro somewhere to alias it as a wrapper to startx and have that run the real startkde :) |
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| 20:59.30 | IceD^ | yairgo`: read forum post please |
| 20:59.34 | yairgo` | ok |
| 20:59.38 | lauri | probably in an attempt to forestall user support questions about why running startkde didn't work (because it's not supposed to) |
| 20:59.41 | IceD^ | yairgo`: and provide us with gcc --version |
| 20:59.52 | tstaerk | lauri, so, X is fsck'ed up, not KDE, right ? |
| 21:00.12 | lauri | yes |
| 21:00.12 | tstaerk | lauri, you are right |
| 21:00.18 | yairgo` | gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 (Gentoo Hardened 3.4.4-r1, ssp-3.4.4-1.0, pie-8.7.8) |
| 21:00.22 | lauri | (well, KDE could be too, I don't know, but X definitely is) |
| 21:00.40 | IceD^ | hardened! |
| 21:00.41 | lauri | it's not even getting that far though |
| 21:00.43 | IceD^ | right! |
| 21:01.09 | IceD^ | +amd64 |
| 21:02.19 | yairgo` | so what do i do? |
| 21:02.40 | yairgo` | gcc-config i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.2-vanilla ? |
| 21:02.54 | IceD^ | yairgo`: 1. read the topic |
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| 21:03.11 | IceD^ | yairgo`: 2. rebuild X with non-hardened gcc |
| 21:03.23 | IceD^ | not 3.4.2, but 3.4.4 |
| 21:03.49 | yairgo` | ok IceD^ im brand new to this, so i understand what you are saying but dont know how to do it, |
| 21:03.55 | tstaerk | it takes hours to BUILD X, doesn't it ? |
| 21:04.23 | IceD^ | gcc-config --help |
| 21:04.29 | IceD^ | tstaerk: don't remember |
| 21:04.40 | IceD^ | tstaerk: using modular X for months :)) |
| 21:05.49 | IceD^ | lauri: hey - you should send cores to devs :)) |
| 21:06.11 | lauri | heh, skype is a stripped static binary |
| 21:06.17 | lauri | and I don't care about amsn :) |
| 21:06.30 | lauri | (but it's in all likelihood stripped anyway) |
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| 21:07.21 | lauri | I bet if I get her to log out and back in, and reset her .xsession-errors, she'll find another 3 gig |
| 21:07.36 | tango_ | assuming I wanted to switch to a purely KDE environment, are there preferred replacements for X-Chat and Gaim? |
| 21:08.09 | IceD^ | yeah |
| 21:08.13 | straw | lauri: why not use ulimit... |
| 21:08.19 | IceD^ | and IM logs ---> +10G |
| 21:08.58 | yairgo` | IceD^ this forum is saying that i need to switch to a non hardened kernel, and then unemerge X and re emerge X, how do i switch to a different non hardened kernel? |
| 21:09.02 | lauri | straw: I tried really hard to come up with an excuse |
| 21:09.06 | lauri | but really, I haven't got one :) |
| 21:09.14 | IceD^ | tango_: kopete |
| 21:09.15 | straw | tango_: konversation and kopete |
| 21:09.25 | lauri | she has my old machine, and I wanted logs and cores and debug stuff |
| 21:09.30 | IceD^ | tango_: and there is nothing for xchat |
| 21:09.33 | straw | heheh |
| 21:09.35 | lauri | and I just gave it to her as is :) |
| 21:09.39 | IceD^ | yairgo`: non-hardened GCC, not kernel |
| 21:09.43 | yairgo` | sorry |
| 21:09.57 | IceD^ | tango_: however xchat looks neat w/ clearlooks gtk engine |
| 21:10.05 | tango_ | yeah I'm using xchat and it looks fine |
| 21:10.11 | yairgo` | how do i switch to a non hardened GCC though, i did gcc-config and tried gcc-config --listprofiles but it didnt return anything |
| 21:10.12 | tango_ | I don't really have a problem with it :) |
| 21:10.28 | lauri | tango_: then use it |
| 21:10.38 | yairgo` | oh nm i did gcc-config -l and it returned some |
| 21:10.40 | tango_ | that's what I'm doing :) |
| 21:10.42 | lauri | but konversation is very cute too |
| 21:10.55 | lauri | kopete, not so much if you ask me, but I'm too old to prefer IM over IRC :) |
| 21:11.05 | IceD^ | yairgo`: it MUST return profiles!!!! |
| 21:11.11 | IceD^ | ouch |
| 21:11.14 | yairgo` | no it did |
| 21:11.16 | IceD^ | stage3, right |
| 21:11.18 | yairgo` | i did the wrong comand |
| 21:11.23 | tango_ | well I do prefer IRC over IM, but I have some IM contacts too |
| 21:11.23 | IceD^ | do emerge gcc first |
| 21:11.38 | straw | doh... this is not #gentoo |
| 21:11.40 | lauri | (only IM'ing I do is when I haul out my 6 digit ICQ number to impress daughter's friends, and/or tell her to go bed) |
| 21:11.52 | IceD^ | :))) |
| 21:11.55 | yairgo` | IceD^ i switched to x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-vanilla |
| 21:12.04 | IceD^ | yairgo`: now you need to switch to the first profile |
| 21:12.17 | IceD^ | right |
| 21:12.17 | IceD^ | and reemerge X |
| 21:12.19 | yairgo` | the first profile was the one that i was on |
| 21:12.44 | IceD^ | hmm |
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| 21:12.51 | lauri | and since ICQ is not cool anymore, and MSN is de rigeur, even the cool short number isn't that impressive these days :) |
| 21:12.53 | IceD^ | amd64 is funny :) |
| 21:13.02 | yairgo` | that one is x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4 |
| 21:13.03 | IceD^ | yairgo`: ok - go with vanilla |
| 21:13.12 | IceD^ | yairgo`: just reemerge X |
| 21:13.35 | yairgo` | reemerge command not found |
| 21:13.36 | yairgo` | wow |
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| 21:15.14 | IceD^ | :)))))))) |
| 21:15.30 | IceD^ | yairgo`: reeemerge == emerge package again |
| 21:15.38 | straw | heh |
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| 21:15.50 | yairgo` | but emerge X doesnt work |
| 21:16.00 | yairgo` | i hate not knowing what im doing |
| 21:16.27 | straw | i don't enjoy it either... |
| 21:17.01 | tosmo | why does digikam complain that it cannot reach an usb-storage device? just jusing mount works pretty fine?! |
| 21:17.09 | straw | oh well. carry on. iirc, #gentoo's full of freaks anyways |
| 21:17.14 | IceD^ | emerge -p xorg-x11 |
| 21:17.31 | IceD^ | if it'll say smth like: |
| 21:17.40 | IceD^ | [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-x11-7.0-r1 |
| 21:17.50 | IceD^ | just type emerge xorg-x11 |
| 21:17.50 | IceD^ | and pray |
| 21:17.53 | yairgo` | its emerging now |
| 21:18.06 | yairgo` | see you have to tell me xorg-x11 cause i forget that x is xorg-x11 |
| 21:18.13 | yairgo` | i tried xorg but not xorg-x11 |
| 21:18.47 | tstaerk | IceD^, yairgo`, I agree with straw |
| 21:19.13 | yairgo` | you are throwing rice at us? are we getting married or something? i dont get the joke |
| 21:19.47 | tstaerk | yairgo`, now that we found the culprit, maybe #gentoo would be the right channel to contiune |
| 21:20.07 | straw | yairgo`: http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| 21:20.22 | yairgo` | dont make fun of me, you were new once too |
| 21:20.39 | yairgo` | and #gentoo has given me now help, ive been stuck here for a week |
| 21:20.55 | straw | hey i've always been new |
| 21:21.27 | yairgo` | lol |
| 21:21.44 | straw | people keep changing things on me ;) |
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| 21:22.19 | lauri | yairgo`: we are suggesting IceD^ go with you to #gentoo and help you there |
| 21:22.48 | lauri | not because you are new, but because this is something really gentoo specific, and obviously quite involved, and not really to do with KDE |
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| 21:23.03 | IceD^ | lauri: actually, we have finished :) |
| 21:23.18 | yairgo` | well we are waiting on X's reemerge |
| 21:23.19 | lauri | (and if we let everyone do all their distro non-kde related support in here all the time, it becomes a zoo, and the people who come here with KDE questions, can't get heard) |
| 21:23.22 | tstaerk | IceD^, you mean, the compile has started ? |
| 21:23.37 | lauri | well, just explaining where we're coming from |
| 21:24.30 | yairgo` | but i enjoy your company better, the people in #gentoo just make fun of me and tell me to go read forums |
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| 21:25.07 | straw | god forbid you should have to learn about what you're trying to do |
| 21:25.39 | yairgo` | i have no problems learning but mainly the stuff online doesnt help because it all seems to be slightly over my head |
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| 21:26.28 | tstaerk | yairgo`, I just wanted to tell you I know how it is if you ask a serious question |
| 21:26.29 | straw | i mean why bother writing a nice post when you can explain the same thing 50,000 times on irc :P |
| 21:26.41 | tstaerk | and other tell you "you ought to know that" |
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| 21:27.28 | yairgo` | straw some of the forums are written for people who have been doing this for thier entire life, and thats all im ssaying |
| 21:27.40 | tstaerk | I mean, if I buy a car, I JUST WANT TO DRIVE it |
| 21:27.47 | yairgo` | lol |
| 21:27.49 | yairgo` | well no |
| 21:27.57 | yairgo` | i just want to get it up so i can learn how to work it |
| 21:28.06 | tstaerk | If I have to regulate the brakes and the steering wheel and the engine before, it is a stupid car |
| 21:28.09 | yairgo` | but its aggrivating trying to learn about something when its already broken |
| 21:28.21 | tstaerk | yairgo`, what are you doing at the moment |
| 21:28.42 | yairgo` | waiting for it to finish compiling, chatting with you guys and my exgirlfirned, and getting ready for class in 30 minutes |
| 21:28.49 | straw | tstaerk: bah. the automatic transmission is one of the worst atrocities visited upon mankind |
| 21:29.11 | IceD^ | yairgo`: forum.gentoo.org is nice |
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| 21:29.19 | IceD^ | yairgo`: at least russian part :) |
| 21:29.21 | tstaerk | yairgo`, most important thing is to get away from your ex and show her she has to decide |
| 21:29.28 | yairgo` | lol |
| 21:30.09 | straw | it allows idiots to drive 1+ ton hunks of steel at high speeds |
| 21:30.18 | tstaerk | yairgo`, tell her NOW she has to decide and never again talk with her until she comes back |
| 21:30.28 | yairgo` | its me that cant decide |
| 21:30.30 | tstaerk | I did the same with a former girlfriend. Now she is my wife. |
| 21:30.36 | straw | heh |
| 21:30.59 | yairgo` | i swear if gentoo made this text green while it was emerging/compiling, it would be called the matrix |
| 21:31.14 | straw | gentrix? |
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| 21:32.05 | yairgo` | lol straw |
| 21:32.34 | tstaerk | yairgo`, you know you do not have to compile at all with other distributions ? |
| 21:33.00 | straw | well that wouldn't be any fun now would it |
| 21:33.00 | yairgo` | you mean i can go get a redhat cd and install it like windows? |
| 21:33.09 | IceD^ | tstaerk: yeah, yeah :))) |
| 21:33.20 | tstaerk | yairgo`, yes. |
| 21:33.28 | straw | stuff might actually work... |
| 21:33.28 | yairgo` | straw undestands, its no fun if i dont get to come in here and bug people that are good at this stuff |
| 21:33.48 | IceD^ | ...and it'll work like windows |
| 21:34.27 | straw | alright. let's not devolve into some lame distro flame war :) |
| 21:34.41 | lauri | yairgo`: we weren't saying you couldn't be here too :) |
| 21:34.48 | straw | lauri will throw us all out |
| 21:34.53 | lauri | yes, I will |
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| 21:34.54 | yairgo` | lauri you would get annoyed and tell me to go bug #gentoo :-o |
| 21:34.55 | lauri | I'm mean like that |
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| 21:35.15 | lauri | yairgo`: no, I am saying, don't have the conversation in here, once it gets into very specific-to-your-distro stuff |
| 21:35.23 | yairgo` | no i konw |
| 21:35.24 | yairgo` | i was joking |
| 21:35.25 | doktoreas | anyone knows something about kartouche? |
| 21:35.50 | lauri | and I eat my own dogfood, I send FreeBSD users to ##freebsd even if I'm going to go help them there myself, if it's anything more than a one-liner |
| 21:35.58 | lauri | doktoreas: I'm not even sure what it is |
| 21:36.13 | lauri | kde app for interpreting heiroglyphics? |
| 21:36.31 | tstaerk | kde app for measuring the ink level in your printer ? |
| 21:37.00 | straw | http://www.kartouchedesign.com/ ? |
| 21:37.28 | straw | hey it is heiroglyphics |
| 21:37.53 | doktoreas | lol |
| 21:38.01 | doktoreas | app for translating via web |
| 21:38.02 | straw | heh. what? |
| 21:38.07 | lauri | oh that thing |
| 21:38.33 | lauri | is it the one the welsh team wrote, the one the gnomes wrote, the one mandrake keeps trying to give us, the one the south african team wrote, or something else? |
| 21:38.54 | doktoreas | welsh team |
| 21:39.01 | doktoreas | also gnoem team got one? |
| 21:39.02 | lauri | damn, I'm good |
| 21:39.19 | lauri | yes, but it's hilariously difficult to use |
| 21:39.32 | doktoreas | yeah, but the idea is nice |
| 21:39.34 | lauri | (it has _the_ most buttons on a single web page I have ever seen, which is kind of ironic) |
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| 21:40.15 | lauri | well, that was a while ago I looked at it |
| 21:40.32 | lauri | anyway, if you want to know about kartouche, I suggest writing to the welsh guys directly |
| 21:41.04 | doktoreas | k |
| 21:41.15 | doktoreas | i' have installed in local to do some tests.. |
| 21:41.19 | yairgo` | i have to go to class, goodbye all for now |
| 21:41.39 | lauri | doktoreas: they are friendly and helpful, at least in all dealings I have ever had with them |
| 21:41.41 | kirun | well, I was hoping for a heiroglyphics interpreter, it would be nice to understand Inland Revenue forms :) |
| 21:41.42 | doktoreas | but don't understand why if someone posted a suggestion, no other one can post other... |
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| 21:42.00 | lauri | doktoreas: and I highly doubt any of us can answer your questions :) |
| 21:42.12 | lauri | kirun: ooooh, score |
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| 21:49.12 | Fri13 | What other KDE users would add this list, what normal user would like to use with KDE for normal day tasks?: Digikam, AmaroK, Koffice, Kontact, Kaffeine, Kopete, Kuickshow, K3B, KPDF...... |
| 21:49.56 | tstaerk | kword kontact |
| 21:50.10 | IceD^ | amarok & kpdf |
| 21:50.10 | IceD^ | ;]]] |
| 21:50.11 | Fri13 | tstaerk: kword = koffice and kontact is there :-P |
| 21:50.11 | kirun | Konqueror |
| 21:50.16 | Chryseus | yakuake! :) |
| 21:50.27 | Fri13 | Chryseus: normal user dont need konsole ;-) |
| 21:50.39 | Chryseus | yes they do.. I'm pretty normal user and I use it all the time |
| 21:50.43 | Fri13 | kirun: Konqueror is de facto when using kde :-P |
| 21:51.00 | Fri13 | Chryseus: normal user dont even know what is konsole ;-) |
| 21:51.14 | Chryseus | what is "normal" user? |
| 21:51.19 | tstaerk | Fri13, d'oh |
| 21:52.08 | Fri13 | Chryseus: someone who just use PC to read/send emails, send/archive pictures and write few memos when listening music and chatting with friends. |
| 21:52.10 | RootHack | hi there how can install theme such like 36172-karambass2.tar.gz ??? please |
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| 21:53.54 | Fri13 | Chryseus: So normal is human who dont need install anything and dont care what apps he/she has... everything should be set ready.... |
| 21:54.55 | Chryseus | I don't think there is anyone that matches your description :) |
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| 21:55.06 | Chryseus | that==who |
| 21:55.10 | RootHack | hi there how can install theme such like 36172-karambass2.tar.gz ??? please any help |
| 21:56.10 | Fri13 | Chryseus: I know many ;-) I only would like to know what other apps im missing what would be needed.... |
| 21:56.12 | Chryseus | RootHack: Install superkaramba, unzip the packet and run .theme file in superkaramba |
| 21:56.31 | Chryseus | Fri13: dunno.. ktorrent maybe? |
| 21:57.07 | kirun | As it happens, my toolset includes Inkscape and Gimp ... I don't discriminate based on widgets :) |
| 21:58.15 | tstaerk | Fri13, kivio is cool... although contained in koffice |
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| 22:00.21 | RootHack | Chryseus: i didn't get the sperkaramba ??? |
| 22:00.55 | Chryseus | IIRC karambass is superkaramba theme.. you need that installed before you can use the theme |
| 22:01.35 | RootHack | please more explain |
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| 22:01.50 | Chryseus | What distro do you use? and which version of kde? |
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| 22:03.09 | BHSPitMonkey | hello |
| 22:03.56 | RootHack | redhat el 4 kde 3.3.1 |
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| 22:07.17 | Chryseus | RootHack: Go to www.kde-look.org and see if you can find package of superkaramba that works with your distro.. I'm not sure how these new versions work on older kde :( |
| 22:07.43 | RootHack | thanks |
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| 22:07.57 | Sonny | hi, a good video player (vcd, dvd, avi, etc) for kde? xine or what? |
| 22:08.20 | BHSPitMonkey | question: is it possible to have one of the multiple desktops be a different resolution than others? |
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| 22:09.18 | _JuDgEn_ | how do i get su in konquerors file browser? |
| 22:10.32 | BHSPitMonkey | _JuDgEn_: su before starting konqueror? |
| 22:10.57 | _JuDgEn_ | BHSPitMonkey: rofl, im so stupid that its embarassing =P |
| 22:10.58 | _JuDgEn_ | haha |
| 22:10.59 | Chryseus | _JuDgEn_: alt+f2 kdesu konqueror |
| 22:11.00 | Sonny | #debian-kde |
| 22:11.00 | _JuDgEn_ | ROFL |
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| 22:12.37 | Operator23 | Hey, anyone know anything about K3B not detecting/burning disks only in audio mode? |
| 22:13.55 | Operator23 | Alright, anyone know why K3B doesn't detect inserted disks? |
| 22:14.01 | Operator23 | First, I'm not running the full KDE |
| 22:14.21 | Operator23 | Second, it's an ATAPI drive, which I know makes it tricky, but it has worked before - it's not a piece of incapable hardware. |
| 22:14.31 | Operator23 | Furthermore, I can burn data CDs just fine. |
| 22:15.18 | _JuDgEn_ | how do i rescan the font cache after removeing fonts? |
| 22:16.07 | Fri13 | Chryseus: ktorrent is good one...... |
| 22:16.24 | Chryseus | Of course it is if I say so :P |
| 22:16.25 | Fri13 | kget, ktorrent...... |
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| 22:18.04 | Operator23 | I know you people are out there... Nobody's had a problem with K3B detecting disks? |
| 22:18.35 | Fri13 | Operator23: I dont have... what version of K3B you have? |
| 22:18.35 | Operator23 | I've scrubbed the net, and the one "fix" I found involved the guy resetting his system and finding K3B magically worked. |
| 22:18.53 | Operator23 | .12.14 |
| 22:19.00 | Operator23 | Just compiled from source. |
| 22:19.02 | Operator23 | On Slack. |
| 22:19.24 | Fri13 | oh well.. i have 12.12 |
| 22:19.32 | Operator23 | Just to test, I ran it as root - no change. |
| 22:19.46 | Operator23 | Well, I suppose that's an option... hadn't occurred to me... |
| 22:19.52 | Operator23 | I may head off to downgrade city. |
| 22:20.05 | Operator23 | Fri13, do you know if you have an ATAPI CD/DVD drive? |
| 22:20.12 | Fri13 | But im gonna update now K3B |
| 22:20.33 | Fri13 | i have IDE (atapi) DVD-RAM |
| 22:20.56 | Operator23 | Alright, I'll give the downgrade a shot. |
| 22:21.13 | hussam | I get no sound from kscd, how do I enable digital audio cd playback in kscd? |
| 22:21.15 | Fri13 | Operator23: wait, i update 12.12 > .12.14 |
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| 22:22.19 | Operator23 | Alright. |
| 22:22.32 | Fri13 | Just first yast finds source :-P |
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| 22:24.57 | Fri13 | Just about to install it.... |
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| 22:27.32 | litb | hi |
| 22:27.34 | litb | how can i rebuild the kde mime assoziation database? |
| 22:27.35 | Fri13 | hi |
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| 22:28.07 | Operator23 | Usually mimetypes sit in your home; or is it that you want to reset it to defaults? |
| 22:28.12 | litb | everytime i start konqueror i get "" |
| 22:28.12 | litb | MIME-Typ nicht auffindbar |
| 22:28.13 | litb | application/octet-stream |
| 22:28.29 | Fri13 | litb: do you have mandriva? |
| 22:28.34 | pinotree | litb: kbuildsycoca |
| 22:28.35 | solus | there's something fishy going on with my kde |
| 22:28.47 | litb | and if i start kde, then there are 20 dialog boxes like that |
| 22:28.48 | solus | it takes about 5-10 minutes to start up |
| 22:28.55 | litb | i only changed one assoziation |
| 22:29.03 | litb | then the mess began... |
| 22:29.14 | solus | also, konqueror takes a minute or two, it usually pops up in a second |
| 22:29.20 | Fri13 | litb: what did change? |
| 22:29.21 | pinotree | litb: kbuildsycoca |
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| 22:30.10 | litb | pinotree: doesn't help |
| 22:30.23 | litb | .. and if i click on a link in konvi now |
| 22:30.28 | litb | then konqueror crashes |
| 22:30.32 | pinotree | litb: try with kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 22:30.37 | litb | as a result from that dialog |
| 22:30.39 | Fri13 | litb: i fixed it on mandriva it so that i removed from there that octect (or i added it there). |
| 22:30.57 | litb | Fri13: i compiled it myself |
| 22:31.01 | litb | it's a svn edition |
| 22:31.08 | pinotree | Fri13: NO don't touch that mimetype |
| 22:31.34 | Fri13 | pinotree: No, i cant anymore because i have suse :-P but it was OK after that... problem was in mandriva.... |
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| 22:32.18 | Fri13 | pinotree: it has it double or something.... first time it did broke kde so i needed remove .kde but after that i got it fixed.... |
| 22:32.24 | litb | pinotree: do i need to restart kde? |
| 22:32.27 | litb | or konqueror? |
| 22:32.41 | Fri13 | Operator23: K3B is working right with me (.12.14 version). |
| 22:32.43 | litb | pinotree: doesn't help |
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| 22:32.44 | pinotree | litb: try exec konqueror from a console |
| 22:32.48 | litb | still that ugly error |
| 22:33.12 | goodnews | KDE won't open .jar files help ! |
| 22:33.14 | litb | then konqueror does crash |
| 22:33.29 | litb | i really only connected .wdr files with wxDesigner ... |
| 22:33.34 | Operator23 | Alright, it's a config problem for me then. |
| 22:33.47 | Operator23 | Fri13, you do run KDE as your main WM, right? |
| 22:33.52 | litb | and opened that files from my usb stick in system:/blahh |
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| 22:34.06 | Fri13 | Operator23: yes |
| 22:34.16 | Operator23 | Alright, I don't, which is possible the source of the problem. |
| 22:34.49 | litb | pinotree: http://rafb.net/paste/results/xztaUl22.html |
| 22:36.29 | goodnews | anyone one know why it won't open .jar? |
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| 22:36.55 | litb | still the same fucking prob |
| 22:37.30 | litb | it isn't just konqueror. kwrite and others print that message too |
| 22:37.53 | StevenR | goodnews: "it" ? |
| 22:37.59 | Fri13 | goodnews: have you tryed open it with ark? |
| 22:38.03 | goodnews | KDE and or gnome |
| 22:38.04 | pinotree | goodnews: iirc .jar files are .zip with a different extension, try open them with ark selecting the zip format |
| 22:38.12 | goodnews | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.44 | goodnews | who said anythign abotu zip files? |
| 22:38.59 | pinotree | me |
| 22:39.06 | goodnews | ohhh sorry |
| 22:39.29 | pinotree | wonder if you only ask or listen to others too... |
| 22:39.30 | goodnews | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.08 | litb | pinotree: the error is gone |
| 22:40.18 | Fri13 | goodnews: so you must set it open .jar files with ark as zip file. |
| 22:40.27 | pinotree | select a .jar -> right click -> open with -> ark -> force zip format |
| 22:40.31 | pinotree | goodnews: ^^ |
| 22:40.40 | pinotree | litb: ;-) i told you |
| 22:40.41 | litb | there was a .desktop file octet-stream in .kde/share/mimelnk/application |
| 22:40.45 | litb | which i removed |
| 22:40.52 | litb | then it worked :) |
| 22:41.23 | litb | apparently kde created it when i associated the .wdr file with wxDesigner |
| 22:41.37 | goodnews | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:42.05 | litb | its an "Advanced Rocking Kompressor" |
| 22:42.08 | Fri13 | litb: i think that was same thing what i did... |
| 22:42.13 | pinotree | ark == kde archiver utility |
| 22:42.29 | lyy | anyone here have xandros? i created a user using useradd and it didn't appear at the login screen. is that kde or is that xandros specific? |
| 22:42.38 | Fri13 | litb: Advance + Rocking could be true if ark just could have real progress bar :-P |
| 22:42.40 | pinotree | goodnews: do you know file-roller for gnome? ok, ark it's the same for kde |
| 22:42.47 | StevenR | lyy: check the login manager config in kcontrol |
| 22:42.59 | goodnews | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.14 | Fri13 | goodnews: you want run it and not open? |
| 22:43.26 | lyy | StevenR: where's that located? sorry, so noobish |
| 22:43.26 | goodnews | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.37 | StevenR | lyy: kde control center |
| 22:43.50 | EvilGuru | does konqueror support ftps? |
| 22:43.51 | StevenR | lyy: under system administration or something similar |
| 22:43.58 | smileaf | you know there is something wrong with you when your having a conversation with a bot, and it's sorta interesting... well either that or it's a darn good AI. |
| 22:44.12 | StevenR | EvilGuru: check in kinfocenter, under protocols |
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| 22:44.16 | goodnews | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.29 | smileaf | java -jar jarfile ? |
| 22:44.38 | goodnews | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.45 | smileaf | on the command line? |
| 22:44.50 | goodnews | couldn't find 'java' executable |
| 22:45.09 | smileaf | well there you go.. find where it's installed and add in the path |
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| 22:45.25 | pinotree | ... or rely on distro magics to package java |
| 22:45.50 | goodnews | well do you mean add it with the file I'm tryin g to run? |
| 22:46.00 | lyy | StevenR: you're right. it's not there. how do i add it? |
| 22:46.18 | goodnews | the error is KDEinit could not find 'java' |
| 22:46.29 | smileaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.34 | StevenR | lyy: just add it to the list, it should be pretty self explainitory |
| 22:46.34 | pinotree | goodnews: kdeinit can't run it because it's not in the PATH! |
| 22:46.38 | smileaf | it's not a KDE issue :) |
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| 22:50.15 | goodnews | thank you |
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| 23:12.02 | Operator23 | Well, I have just re-installed K3B, along with ffmpeg, cdrdao and cdrtools, from source. |
| 23:12.05 | Operator23 | And nothing has changed. |
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| 23:13.55 | mick_linux | is there a way to copy the spam filtering rules in Thunderbird (on OSX) to KMail (Linux)? |
| 23:14.27 | mick_linux | the spamassassin stuff should be cross platform (/me thinks) |
| 23:17.37 | IceD^ | mick_linux: yes and no |
| 23:17.49 | IceD^ | 1. copy ~/.spamassasin |
| 23:17.59 | IceD^ | 2. use kmail's wizard to setup SA rules |
| 23:18.10 | IceD^ | 3. adjust rules if you want |
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| 23:28.42 | sdz | When I use multiple tabs in Konsole, the title bar doesn't update anymore (always says "Shell - Konsole", but the taskbar entry updates as expected. I've been changing a lot of Appearance Settings, but I'm unsure what I did exactly. Any ideas? |
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| 23:38.20 | shiznix | is there a way to disable the Trashcan in KDE ? |
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| 23:38.36 | shiznix | ie. have a file delete for real |
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| 23:39.31 | pinotree | shiznix: Shift + Del |
| 23:39.46 | pinotree | shiznix: or activate the enrty to delete directly |
| 23:39.59 | pinotree | ... the menu entry in konqueror, i mean |
| 23:40.04 | shiznix | aha, it's the 2nd option i need |
| 23:40.06 | shiznix | thanks |
| 23:40.11 | pinotree | wait |
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| 23:41.09 | pinotree | shiznix: kcontrol -> kde components -> file manager -> behaviour tab -> show the 'delete' entry that bypass the trashcan |
| 23:41.39 | shiznix | yup, just brought it up in konq settings |
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| 23:50.18 | twobitsprite | is there a way I can control amaroK from i.e. the KDE taskbar? |
| 23:50.27 | twobitsprite | (er, "panel", etc...) |
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| 23:51.31 | shiznix | yes, add the Media Control applet to your panel |
| 23:51.35 | blackvd | if i want a script to run on startup by adding it to startkde where do i have to add it to? |
| 23:52.05 | shiznix | or right click on the amarok systray icon |
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| 23:52.18 | blackvd | I remember i did this with another distro before by adding what i wanted to the top of startkde |
| 23:52.32 | blackvd | but i cant it to work on this distro |
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| 23:52.42 | pinotree | ~autostart |
| 23:52.45 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2558687 |
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| 23:52.58 | pinotree | blackvd: ^^ |
| 23:53.16 | blackvd | dont follow? |
| 23:53.19 | yairgo` | i have a (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:5:0) found (EE) No devices detected. then a Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 23:53.31 | yairgo` | when i do fglrxconfig i dont see my video card on the list though? |
| 23:53.50 | pinotree | yairgo`: wrong channel - not a kde issue |
| 23:53.57 | yairgo` | what channel should i go to |
| 23:54.24 | pinotree | blackvd: read what apt said - it contains usefult info about starting stuff with kde |
| 23:54.35 | blackvd | oh didnt see that |
| 23:54.44 | pinotree | yairgo`: #xorg or another x support channel |
| 23:55.05 | yairgo` | thank you pinotree |
| 23:55.59 | shiznix | i'm using kio_media_mounthelper with KDE's Media manager to automount different usb memory sticks + a digital camera, which is nice as it dynamically assigns the next available /dev/sda* without the need for fstab entries |
| 23:56.38 | shiznix | however, right clicking on the mounted icon & choosing "Safely Remove" throws an error that there is no entry for the mounted device in /etc/fstab |
| 23:57.31 | shiznix | would it be possible to have kio_media_mounthelper consult /etc/mtab instead of /etc/fstab ? |
| 23:57.52 | blackvd | not sure how I'm suppose to set this up what i need to run is: /sbin/iptables -I INPUT 1 -i <EXT_INT> -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST,ACK SYN --dport <PORT> -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 23:57.52 | blackvd | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.52 | blackvd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:58.40 | blackvd | so azureus can connect |
| 23:58.56 | pinotree | blackvd: at system start up? oh that's not kde's task, most probably you should add a script for init or initng |
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| 23:59.20 | blackvd | ah ok |
