| 00:00.05 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | Big_Dick, sta se glupiras? |
| 00:00.16 | Big_Dick | heheh |
| 00:00.20 | Big_Dick | vidi ovog |
| 00:00.25 | Big_Dick | sa krstarice |
| 00:00.52 | grobnica_mladost | rektume |
| 00:00.57 | grobnica_mladost | koji ti je kurac |
| 00:01.04 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | speak english |
| 00:01.05 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | ;) |
| 00:01.07 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | spikaj |
| 00:01.08 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | ;D |
| 00:01.09 | grobnica_mladost | :)) |
| 00:01.19 | gravix | tu madre! |
| 00:01.21 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | don`t distibute this ppl here :)) |
| 00:01.35 | Big_Dick | Microsoft rulz |
| 00:01.39 | Big_Dick | :)) |
| 00:01.48 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | lol |
| 00:01.53 | grobnica_mladost | AuReUs_ReCtoR is our best linux friend and great exper named Vlada Rectum |
| 00:02.15 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | grobnica_mladost, poslednji put ti kazem da prekines sa rectum . |
| 00:02.34 | grobnica_mladost | speak on english , please |
| 00:02.39 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | ja sam ti rek`o |
| 00:02.40 | Big_Dick | :) |
| 00:03.18 | grobnica_mladost | very dangerous |
| 00:03.59 | jorgp2 | Big_Dick: yeah, they rulez the land of crashware |
| 00:04.26 | grobnica_mladost | that is interesting land jorgp2 |
| 00:04.44 | grobnica_mladost | where is located that land? |
| 00:05.02 | Big_Dick | Earth |
| 00:05.02 | jorgp2 | planet uranus |
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| 00:05.05 | Big_Dick | is location |
| 00:05.07 | grobnica_mladost | nice planet |
| 00:05.08 | grobnica_mladost | uran |
| 00:05.26 | jorgp2 | like u ran us off |
| 00:05.28 | grobnica_mladost | Microsoft rules in MONY land I think |
| 00:05.34 | grobnica_mladost | heheh |
| 00:05.42 | grobnica_mladost | Microsoft rules in MONEY land I think |
| 00:05.44 | Big_Dick | eh EULA |
| 00:06.03 | grobnica_mladost | And Bill Gay is nice gay |
| 00:06.05 | Big_Dick | did u ever read it |
| 00:06.06 | grobnica_mladost | I mean GUY |
| 00:06.16 | grobnica_mladost | I red EULA many times |
| 00:06.23 | crispynix-v6 | I want to be Microsoft's bitch. Sadly, MS already has a bunch of bitches and whores. :( |
| 00:06.36 | jorgp2 | I can not say much, M$'s crappy locking up software keeps me in business always fixing it |
| 00:06.38 | grobnica_mladost | crispynix-v6 yes, I now, but... |
| 00:06.56 | grobnica_mladost | but thay have many , which earned on crashes |
| 00:07.09 | grobnica_mladost | but thay have maney , which earned on crashes |
| 00:07.19 | crispynix-v6 | speeeeling |
| 00:07.25 | frb | why do people repeat an entire line to fix spelling errors? |
| 00:07.39 | grobnica_mladost | sorryyyyyyyy |
| 00:08.10 | Big_Dick | just repeat't if u made some err |
| 00:08.14 | grobnica_mladost | My Fingers are allmost dead |
| 00:08.16 | hydrogen | especfially when it adds more errors |
| 00:08.18 | grobnica_mladost | of typing |
| 00:08.33 | grobnica_mladost | hydrogen thay allways add error |
| 00:08.41 | hydrogen | they* |
| 00:08.48 | crispynix-v6 | yeah, but error tastes great, which is why they add it. |
| 00:08.48 | grobnica_mladost | GOOOOOD |
| 00:08.50 | frb | I don't like that method either |
| 00:09.01 | frb | if people can understand what you typed, don't bother |
| 00:09.08 | grobnica_mladost | So, somebody need to fix that errors |
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| 00:09.28 | crispynix-v6 | Nono, errors are _good_. As in good tasting. Did you know that people eat errors for fun? |
| 00:09.46 | grobnica_mladost | YES , that is what I am trying to say |
| 00:09.51 | crispynix-v6 | Indeed. |
| 00:13.32 | crispynix-v6 | wow, Aero-G is pretty nice. Too bad I'll probably end up using GkrellM again to save screen real estate and resources. ;) |
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| 00:40.35 | luksan | I'm having a lot of problems with 3.5-svn |
| 00:40.49 | annma | yes? explain please, one by one |
| 00:41.12 | luksan | ok |
| 00:41.21 | luksan | the first thing is the KMenu |
| 00:41.35 | luksan | for some reason it doesn't show the majority of the icons |
| 00:41.52 | annma | ok, did you have another previous kde version for that user/ |
| 00:42.01 | frb | I have a problem with 3.5b1, it works too well, I actually have to be productive |
| 00:42.21 | crispynix-v6 | frb: I have that same problem... except for the annoying konq search box. :( |
| 00:42.24 | luksan | annma: yes |
| 00:42.34 | annma | luksan: so maybe there's a config config |
| 00:42.41 | annma | luksan: you should test on a new user |
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| 00:42.53 | luksan | annma: a config config? |
| 00:42.55 | annma | then you can try backing up some config files |
| 00:43.04 | annma | config conflict |
| 00:43.06 | annma | ;) |
| 00:43.09 | annma | sorry |
| 00:43.25 | luksan | annma: and another thing is the menu randomly adds and removes applications |
| 00:43.54 | annma | when you log in and out and back in? |
| 00:44.01 | luksan | actually, no it just happened |
| 00:44.04 | luksan | weird |
| 00:44.42 | luksan | everything is messed up... I installed in ~/local but the old was in /usr/kde/3.4 so that's probably part of my problem |
| 00:44.50 | annma | luksan: I would set up a new user and see if it also has those problems |
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| 00:44.57 | ObsidianX | anybody here use qdvdauthor? |
| 00:45.02 | luksan | every though i only have KDEDIRS=/home/luke/kde it still detects the other |
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| 00:45.36 | annma | did you use ./configure --prefix? |
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| 00:46.13 | ObsidianX | if anybody has used QDVDAuthor then my question is: does it segfault for you when you try and compile the DVD? |
| 00:46.20 | ObsidianX | it errors out on QColor |
| 00:46.21 | luksan | annma: of course |
| 00:46.30 | luksan | annma: how else would i have got it to install there? |
| 00:46.54 | annma | why would it detect the other then/ |
| 00:47.47 | luksan | annma: not during compile |
| 00:47.57 | luksan | annma: i mean it is finding some of my old applications |
| 00:47.59 | luksan | sometimes |
| 00:48.17 | annma | echo $KDEDIR |
| 00:48.20 | annma | echo $KDEDIRS |
| 00:48.24 | annma | paste the output |
| 00:48.36 | ObsidianX | 0xb7a62b4b in QColor::operator= () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 00:48.41 | luksan | like it throws ALL the games (which i haven't installed the new kdegames) in a single folder in the KMenu instead of using subfolders |
| 00:48.42 | ObsidianX | i get that from QDVDAuthor |
| 00:48.50 | ObsidianX | any suggestions? |
| 00:48.54 | luksan | $KDEDIRS=/home/luke/local |
| 00:49.04 | luksan | not $KDEDIR |
| 00:49.08 | luksan | *no |
| 00:49.13 | annma | echo $PATH |
| 00:49.14 | luksan | i set that myself if .xsession |
| 00:49.29 | annma | ObsidianX: that's a qt app |
| 00:49.43 | annma | luksan: but still it should be set now? |
| 00:50.05 | luksan | the old bin dir is still in PATH, but -- that is only the executable files, not the desktop files so they shouldn't be in the KMenu |
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| 00:50.12 | luksan | actually most everything is ok now |
| 00:50.14 | ObsidianX | annma: that it is |
| 00:50.18 | luksan | the things in the men disappeared |
| 00:50.19 | ObsidianX | ;P |
| 00:50.21 | luksan | *menu |
| 00:50.31 | annma | luksan: kde-config --prefix and paste output |
| 00:50.46 | crispynix-v6 | feck, need to register to /msg people now... I guess I'm gonna have to reg every last alias that I might ever use -.- |
| 00:50.48 | ObsidianX | i tried changing QT Themes for hte program and it still crashed on that error |
| 00:50.57 | luksan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.57 | ObsidianX | im recompiling QT right now |
| 00:51.00 | ObsidianX | seeing if that'll fix it |
| 00:51.06 | ObsidianX | since its an error with libqt-mt |
| 00:51.24 | kingsley__ | Does ~/.kde/cache-$(uname -n) need to be backed up? |
| 00:51.45 | annma | luksan: well if your old KDEDIR/bin is first in PATH then KDE can get the old apps |
| 00:52.02 | annma | recompile the ap as well after ObsidianX |
| 00:52.17 | ObsidianX | annma: i recompiled the app with different versions about 3 times, but i'll try again after qt finishes |
| 00:52.35 | luksan | annma: i don't think so, it needs the .desktop files not just the bins, but that is beside the point - my menu is mostly ok now |
| 00:52.44 | annma | ObsidianX: and if it still errors, mail the author |
| 00:53.05 | ObsidianX | annma: meh, was hoping i could avoid that |
| 00:53.09 | annma | just talking to me set your menu right? wooow, I have a big power |
| 00:54.07 | luksan | annma: yeah i guess, it will probably be back to normal later |
| 00:54.19 | annma | not like that |
| 00:55.07 | luksan | annma: the other thing is it doesn't show kwrite either in the kmenu or in file associations even though i have ~/local/bin/kwrite and ~/local/share/applications/kde/kwrite.desktop ;-( |
| 00:55.47 | annma | maybe you K Menu is the thing that is messed |
| 00:56.07 | annma | try adding it manually with KMenuEdit |
| 00:56.13 | annma | what happens then? |
| 00:56.25 | luksan | no, because file associations dont' work either |
| 00:56.33 | luksan | like if i double click on a txt file |
| 00:56.38 | luksan | actually i think i might know what it is |
| 00:56.44 | annma | hmmm |
| 00:57.04 | annma | did you follow a tutorial when installing KDE? |
| 00:57.07 | luksan | hold on i'm going to log out.... if i'm not back in 5 minutes call the police |
| 00:57.14 | luksan | no, i'm a pro at this |
| 00:57.23 | annma | like setting the vars correctly in the correct files? |
| 00:57.24 | annma | lol |
| 00:57.26 | annma | a pro |
| 00:58.48 | gravix | shhh, don't argue with the pro |
| 00:59.10 | annma | ;) |
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| 00:59.37 | annma | hmm, I do it since kde2 pre so I must be a super supra pro |
| 00:59.39 | |sparr| | Why might printf("\a"); beep correctly from the console, but not if i run the app from an xterm? Could this be a WM-specific issue? |
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| 01:03.04 | luksan | well now we know it's not a configuration problem |
| 01:03.50 | gravix | |sparr|, maybe xterm doesn't do the beep command |
| 01:04.08 | |sparr| | gravix: i dont just mean an xterm, thats just an example. if i run it from anything in X it doesnt work |
| 01:04.15 | luksan | i made a new .kde |
| 01:04.23 | luksan | and still had the same probs |
| 01:05.04 | gravix | |sparr| is "anything in X" configured to beep on \a |
| 01:06.01 | |sparr| | gravix: good question, ive never had it NOT beep before, but i cant recall trying lately |
| 01:06.10 | |sparr| | i thought i had a broken app |
| 01:06.17 | |sparr| | so i wrote the C one liner to test |
| 01:06.19 | |sparr| | still no beep |
| 01:06.22 | annma | what happens if you add KWrite with KMenuEdit? |
| 01:06.24 | |sparr| | the KDE control center can beep |
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| 01:06.37 | |sparr| | i can beep at various tones and lengths there |
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| 01:08.09 | luksan | actually, it doesn't even let me run kmenuedit from the kmenu, but running it from the command-line... |
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| 01:08.59 | ogum | Changed kde-> component chooser-> browser from default (konqueror) to mozilla. Had trouble and went back to konqueror. have access to the internet (irc, ping, etc) but no browser access. tried epiphany, etc. More. konqueror opens 59 windows!!! any help? |
| 01:09.01 | annma | yes so k menu is not the corect one |
| 01:09.10 | luksan | what do you mean? |
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| 01:13.13 | factor | where is the kde devlopment channel |
| 01:13.25 | luksan | #kde-devel |
| 01:13.36 | factor | thank you |
| 01:15.58 | |sparr| | why is kde eating the beeps produced by my apps? |
| 01:16.19 | luksan | |sparr|: eating? |
| 01:16.36 | thiago | |sparr|: it must be hungry |
| 01:16.53 | thiago | |sparr|: next time, feed it properly and it won't eat other apps' stuff :-) |
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| 01:22.28 | ogum | thiago: where should i point my browser to on kde component chooser? |
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| 01:24.20 | thiago | ogum: Konqueror |
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| 01:25.55 | ogum | thiago: but now, everytime i open konqueror, it opens 59 windows!! and no other browser works |
| 01:26.23 | TuGGer | Hi. I'm getting an annoying error message for a missing url in Noatun that I would like to track down. I've checked in the Mandrake 9.1: KDE 3.1.0 .kde hidden files, but cannot seem to eliminate the error. I've also checked in cache:httpd to no avail. Anyone know where else I can look? (Btw, it only displays for my user, and I know it's not in the prog itself since I've re-installed LM + Kde today.) |
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| 01:27.47 | thiago | TuGGer: try moving some configuration files away in .kde/share/config and see which one causes the error to disappear |
| 01:28.01 | luksan | where is the xml file that configures KMenu folders? |
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| 01:28.23 | ogum | thiago: fixed the 59 problem (turns out to be a spelling problem). error message: could not find program Konqueror. |
| 01:28.32 | TuGGer | Thanks thiago. Too bad it's only on login . . . |
| 01:28.43 | Borg^Queen | Hello |
| 01:28.59 | Borg^Queen | Does anyone know if there's a ksayit package for sarge with kde 3.3? |
| 01:29.18 | Borg^Queen | I have the source but its giving me a lot of trouble compiling |
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| 01:29.30 | thiago | luksan: I think it is somewhere in $KDEDIR/etc/xdg/menus |
| 01:30.52 | luksan | thiago: it is |
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| 01:34.04 | |sparr| | luksan: preventing them from reaching whatever driver makes beeps |
| 01:34.36 | thiago | |sparr|: what program are you using to generate beeps? |
| 01:35.25 | |sparr| | most simply, main(){printf("\a");} |
| 01:35.32 | luksan | ok so for whatever reason kwrite.desktop is not being recognized at all by kde |
| 01:36.00 | luksan | nor for that instance, is KControl.desktop |
| 01:36.04 | Borg^Queen | right click on it go to properties and see if the correct command is in there |
| 01:36.21 | thiago | |sparr|: what terminal are you running that on? |
| 01:36.33 | thiago | luksan: what Categories are they on? |
| 01:36.37 | |sparr| | thiago: xterm, konsole, no console at all |
| 01:36.50 | thiago | |sparr|: doesn't konsole beep? |
| 01:36.51 | |sparr| | i did it from the Run Command bar applet |
| 01:36.57 | |sparr| | no, it doesnt beep from konsole |
| 01:37.02 | thiago | or show the beep indicator in the tab? |
| 01:37.10 | luksan | KControl is Qt;KDE;Core; |
| 01:37.34 | luksan | KWrite is Qt;KDE;TextEditor; |
| 01:37.35 | |sparr| | if i set konsole to visual bell then the screen flashes |
| 01:37.37 | |sparr| | which is good |
| 01:37.44 | |sparr| | but if i set it to system notification or to system bell, nothing happens |
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| 01:38.00 | thiago | |sparr|: can other KDE apps play sound? |
| 01:38.19 | |sparr| | good question |
| 01:38.21 | |sparr| | whats one i can try? |
| 01:38.29 | thiago | kaboodle |
| 01:38.33 | |sparr| | yes |
| 01:38.42 | |sparr| | kaboodle plays sound card audio just fine |
| 01:40.10 | thiago | what happens if you run "artsplay `kde-config --prefix`share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Beep.wav" ? |
| 01:41.16 | thiago | any sound? |
| 01:41.30 | |sparr| | aha |
| 01:41.34 | |sparr| | kaboodle cant play right now |
| 01:41.37 | |sparr| | it played last week... |
| 01:41.45 | |sparr| | says it cant initialize the sound output device because its busy |
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| 01:42.28 | thiago | KDE Control Center, Sound & Multimedia, Sound Server |
| 01:42.31 | thiago | click the test button |
| 01:44.04 | |sparr| | yep |
| 01:44.07 | |sparr| | erroring out |
| 01:44.28 | thiago | change one of the settings (like the timeout) and hit the Apply button |
| 01:44.34 | thiago | does an error message come up? |
| 01:45.01 | |sparr| | yes |
| 01:45.06 | thiago | what does it say? |
| 01:45.07 | |sparr| | it says /dev/dsp is busy |
| 01:45.20 | thiago | try this, please: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 01:45.25 | thiago | (you may have to be root to run that) |
| 01:45.44 | |sparr| | TeamSpeak is using it |
| 01:45.47 | |sparr| | for playback and capture |
| 01:45.51 | thiago | kill it |
| 01:45.58 | |sparr| | err, no? |
| 01:46.19 | |sparr| | ok, its gone... |
| 01:46.49 | |sparr| | test sound works fine now |
| 01:46.57 | thiago | there you go |
| 01:47.44 | |sparr| | a) beep still doesnt work |
| 01:47.54 | |sparr| | b) why is arts complaining about teamspeak being running? |
| 01:48.16 | thiago | b) you can only have one program playing sound directly to the sound card at any time |
| 01:48.24 | thiago | a) try the artsplay command |
| 01:48.31 | thiago | I'll BB in 15 min |
| 01:49.16 | |sparr| | artsplay still doesnt play anything. and i can have 32 programs playing sound directly, the magic of having a card with a hardware mixer :-p |
| 01:50.08 | luksan | arts sucks |
| 01:50.18 | |sparr| | i dont particularly care about arts to be honest |
| 01:50.21 | |sparr| | i just want the BEEP to work |
| 01:50.29 | luksan | yeah, what i mean is that it gets in the way |
| 01:50.34 | luksan | personally , i have it disabled |
| 01:50.39 | luksan | it won't work on amd64 anyway |
| 01:51.03 | luksan | but i can't play kde system sounds... even though i have it configured to use an "external player", which incidently, is good enough for gaim |
| 01:52.43 | |sparr| | why might KDE be stopping my applications from sounding the system bell? |
| 01:55.07 | luksan | i have no idea |
| 01:55.16 | luksan | crazy |
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| 02:08.50 | thiago | sparr_: what happens if you run that from the console itself? |
| 02:09.09 | sparr_ | the program "beep" and my own simple printf both work from a virtual terminal |
| 02:09.18 | thiago | and in konsole, Settings, Configure notifications. Are sounds enabled for the bells? |
| 02:09.24 | sparr_ | beep and the kde control center work in X, although beep has to be setuid root |
| 02:09.31 | sparr_ | my program and another program do not work in X |
| 02:10.11 | thiago | hwo about that artsplay line? |
| 02:10.56 | frb | isn't beep a gtk2 app? |
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| 02:11.01 | sparr_ | that plays through my speakers |
| 02:11.06 | sparr_ | when i fix it :-p |
| 02:11.08 | crispynix | frb: yes |
| 02:11.47 | _knoppix | p |
| 02:11.50 | thiago | sparr_: sorry, the konsole config. Are sounds enabled? |
| 02:12.01 | thiago | and if you click the play button, do you hear sounds? |
| 02:12.07 | crispynix | er, beep-media-player is |
| 02:12.37 | frb | it's xmms on crack, eh? |
| 02:13.01 | sparr_ | thiago: konsole doesnt have sound stuff? |
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| 02:13.23 | crispynix | it's xmms hacked to use gtk2, not much else afaik |
| 02:13.47 | frb | and xince xmms haxn't changed in about 4 yearx, it still suxq0rz |
| 02:13.50 | thiago | sparr_: it does |
| 02:13.56 | sparr_ | oh |
| 02:13.57 | thiago | sparr_: I'm asking you to test its sound |
| 02:13.57 | sparr_ | found it |
| 02:14.02 | sparr_ | in the control center |
| 02:14.10 | sparr_ | no, if i click the little play button next to the filename, nothing plays |
| 02:14.20 | crispynix | well, it doesn't suck imo, but I prefer amarok for music that its engines support (i.e. pretty much everything but mods) |
| 02:14.21 | thiago | no, in Konsole, Settings, Configure Notifications |
| 02:14.21 | sparr_ | however, i can hear the sound if i click Test on the sound system page |
| 02:14.38 | sparr_ | no, it doesnt beep there either |
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| 02:15.16 | thiago | sparr_: check your ~/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc. Does it have Use Arts=false? |
| 02:15.47 | sparr_ | yes |
| 02:16.15 | thiago | Use external player? |
| 02:16.36 | sparr_ | false |
| 02:17.48 | luksan | i have mine set to use ogg123, but it still doesn't work |
| 02:20.17 | thiago | interesting, killing knotify made my mouse stop working |
| 02:21.11 | thiago | but sound is working |
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| 02:21.59 | thiago | the ungrab mouse shortcut killed the program |
| 02:22.38 | thiago | whatever it was |
| 02:22.44 | frb | better than gimp always stealing my stylus |
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| 07:04.34 | ste | ? |
| 07:09.09 | ste | (debian, kde 3.4.2) |
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| 07:48.48 | chandoo | what is xinerama |
| 07:49.27 | markey | well |
| 07:49.28 | markey | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama |
| 07:49.36 | markey | as usual |
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| 07:54.24 | jayparadise | a lot of information is easier to extract from here than google when its just small things |
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| 08:43.53 | Marex | hi there... can somebody help me with kdevelop? |
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| 09:49.10 | pinotree | hello =) |
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| 10:07.22 | nostradam_ | hi |
| 10:07.35 | nostradam_ | can someone help me with kdevelop please? |
| 10:08.24 | lippel | nostradam_: just ask, maybe someone can |
| 10:08.58 | nostradam_ | sorry fot flood |
| 10:09.02 | nostradam_ | kdevelop (filecreate part): file name = test.ui |
| 10:09.02 | nostradam_ | kdevelop (core): [void PartController::editDocumentInternal(const KURL&, int, int, bool)] file:///home/janek/Download/development/KDevelop/turorial/test/home/janek/Download/development/KDevelop/turorial/test/src/test.ui linenum -1 activate? true |
| 10:09.02 | nostradam_ | kdevelop (core): cannot find URL: file:///home/janek/Download/development/KDevelop/turorial/test//home/janek/Download/development/KDevelop/turorial/test/home/janek/Download/development/KDevelop/turorial/test/src/test.ui |
| 10:09.17 | nostradam_ | as you can see, the url is repeating |
| 10:09.23 | nostradam_ | and i dont know why |
| 10:09.42 | nostradam_ | this appeared when i launched kdevelop from konsole |
| 10:09.58 | lippel | hmm, seems there are relative and absolute path mixed somewhere |
| 10:10.14 | lippel | nostradam_: does kdevelop work nevertheless? |
| 10:10.34 | nostradam_ | yes |
| 10:10.55 | nostradam_ | but it doesnt add that .ui file to the project |
| 10:11.08 | lippel | hmm |
| 10:11.12 | nostradam_ | and it doesnt start kdevdesigner |
| 10:11.18 | lippel | did you create the project completely inside of kdevelop? |
| 10:11.23 | nostradam_ | yes |
| 10:11.31 | nostradam_ | i made new project |
| 10:12.05 | nostradam_ | when i launch kdevdesigner on that .ui inside kdevelop manualy than it works |
| 10:12.22 | nostradam_ | {when i click in that .ui in file tree] |
| 10:12.50 | nostradam_ | i use kde 3.4.1 from alioth on debian stable ... |
| 10:13.04 | nostradam_ | this may be the problem |
| 10:13.10 | nostradam_ | but i am not sure |
| 10:13.20 | lippel | i think is most probably a kdevelop bug |
| 10:13.38 | lippel | nostradam_: grep your project dir for test.ui |
| 10:13.41 | nostradam_ | there is another strange behavior |
| 10:14.57 | nostradam_ | Settings -> Configure KDevelop -> Use embedded KDevelop Designer ... when i check it/uncheck it and press ok, then the path gets longer |
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| 10:15.17 | nostradam_ | it append another /home/... at the beginning |
| 10:16.20 | nostradam_ | lippel, ad. grepping:i was looking there, but i didnt find anything interresting ... no weird paths |
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| 10:17.08 | lippel | nostradam_: did you grep from project root, recursively (-r)? |
| 10:17.13 | nostradam_ | yes |
| 10:17.39 | lippel | nostradam_: is the absolute path used somewhere? |
| 10:19.40 | lippel | nostradam_: ah, so it has to do with that "use embedded kdevelop designer" option? |
| 10:19.48 | nostradam_ | maybe |
| 10:20.23 | nostradam_ | it append /home/janek/Download/development/KDevelop/turorial/test/ at the beginning when i check/uncheck it ... so it is longer every time :] |
| 10:20.55 | nostradam_ | after checking and unchecking i`ve got this file:///home/janek/Download/development/KDevelop/turorial/test//home/janek/Download/development/KDevelop/turorial/test/home/janek/Download/development/KDevelop/turorial/test/src/test.ui |
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| 10:22.25 | pinotree | morning el |
| 10:22.25 | lippel | nostradam_: and the broken path is still there after restart? |
| 10:23.58 | lippel | nostradam_: hmm, can't reproduce it here. maybe it was fixed since 3.4.1 |
| 10:25.04 | nostradam_ | maybe |
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| 10:25.13 | nostradam_ | try starting new project |
| 10:25.28 | nostradam_ | c++ -> kde -> simple kde app |
| 10:25.42 | nostradam_ | then new file |
| 10:25.50 | nostradam_ | configuration dialog |
| 10:26.10 | nostradam_ | and after pressing ok the bug should appear |
| 10:27.14 | lippel | nostradam_: "new file" means create a new .ui file in the automake manager? |
| 10:27.22 | lippel | nostradam_: that's the way i tried |
| 10:27.51 | nostradam_ | yes |
| 10:27.57 | nostradam_ | new .ui file |
| 10:28.08 | nostradam_ | on the left side ... there is a new file button |
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| 10:30.29 | nostradam_ | lippel, what version of kdevelop do you have? |
| 10:30.57 | lippel | nostradam_: 3.2.90, from SVN 3.5 branch |
| 10:31.23 | lippel | but i don't see much changes in there since 3.4 |
| 10:31.44 | nostradam_ | im going to try 3291 right now |
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| 10:35.53 | lippel | well, there are lots of changes. i browsed the wrong dirs apparently |
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| 10:41.16 | nostradam_ | aha |
| 10:41.26 | nostradam_ | gotta go |
| 10:41.37 | nostradam_ | bye a thanks |
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| 11:11.13 | M23 | in korganiser, how do I make a recurring calendar entry skip every saturday and sunday without putting all the dates in? |
| 11:11.24 | Euperia | Hi. Is this the right place to ask a question about using konqueror as a Fish/FTP client? |
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| 11:12.19 | inc|freaky | hi all, how can I set the default eMail-application to mozilla thunderbird? |
| 11:13.08 | Euperia | Does anyone know how I can turn off the very annoying 'overwrite/Suggest new name' popup when a file already exists when fish:/ in konqueror? |
| 11:13.13 | pinotree | inc|freaky: kcontrol -> kde components -> component chooser -> email client |
| 11:14.26 | pinotree | M23: in the recorrence tab of an event, choose recurr every 1 week and activate the checkboxes for monday, tuesday, etc... |
| 11:14.49 | M23 | pinotree, of course.... stupid... |
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| 11:14.54 | M23 | pinotree, thanks |
| 11:14.59 | inc|freaky | pinotree: thx :) |
| 11:15.10 | pinotree | M23, inc|freaky: np :) |
| 11:15.41 | pinotree | Euperia: don't know if you can turn it off |
| 11:16.01 | M23 | that might be a sugestion. Exception days on daily recurring events. |
| 11:16.32 | pinotree | M23: in that tab, there's below: expection days |
| 11:16.48 | pinotree | (if i understand correctly what you want) |
| 11:16.48 | Euperia | Pinotree: I've looked everywhere and there doesn't seem to be an option for it. |
| 11:17.16 | M23 | pinotree, yes, but it only lets you put in individual dates, not monday, tuesday, etc.. |
| 11:17.58 | pinotree | M23: for that, the checkboxes with the day names should do the work, no? |
| 11:18.05 | M23 | probably pointless since you can use weekly events |
| 11:18.21 | M23 | yeah, I'm just thinking out loud really. |
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| 11:21.37 | anisX | greetings |
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| 11:31.16 | goron | Is this also the right channel for Kile? |
| 11:40.07 | lippel | goron: well, there isn't one which is "more right" ;-) |
| 11:40.43 | goron | lippel: I solved my initial problem, but Kile crashes when I open a .bib file. |
| 11:41.28 | lippel | goron: opening any bib file? |
| 11:41.45 | goron | lippel: Well, I haven't tried all possible bib files. :D |
| 11:42.08 | goron | lippel: I tried just one, which worked in the previous version. I auto upgraded. |
| 11:42.13 | goron | "upgraded" |
| 11:42.34 | goron | kile: DOCINFO: returning 0x8492000 references.bib |
| 11:42.34 | goron | kile: ==Kate::Document* Manager::createDocument()=========== |
| 11:42.34 | goron | KCrash: Application 'kile' crashing... |
| 11:43.29 | goron | Hmm, that's odd. Now(after a restart), it works. This feels like Windows :( |
| 11:43.29 | lippel | goron: which kile version is that? |
| 11:43.35 | goron | lippel: 1.8 |
| 11:43.44 | goron | lippel: 1.8.1 |
| 11:45.15 | lippel | goron: you had that crash several times? |
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| 11:47.28 | nordom | hello :) |
| 11:47.52 | nordom | I think there's one annoying and unresolved bug in konqueror |
| 11:47.53 | goron | lippel: No, only once. And I can't reproduce it. |
| 11:48.07 | goron | nordom: I think there are more. :P |
| 11:48.12 | nordom | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100830 |
| 11:49.00 | nordom | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81685 - it's the same, reported earlier for kde 3.2.2 |
| 11:49.50 | goron | nordom: I don't have that problem with 3.4.2, but maybe my computer is faster. |
| 11:49.58 | nordom | goron: but this is one of these things that make konqueror feel slower than firefox atm ;) |
| 11:50.23 | nordom | goron: I can give you access to my computer via some vnc/nx.. |
| 11:50.52 | goron | nordom: I am writing a paper on VLSI floor planning. So I don't really have time... |
| 11:51.18 | nordom | goron: oh, ok, I'm not going disturb you ;) |
| 11:52.59 | lippel | i guess kile users never have time :P |
| 11:53.11 | lippel | they all have to finish some thesis or paper |
| 11:53.51 | nordom | lippel: what about lyx users? :) |
| 11:54.25 | goron | If there's anything better than kile, I am open to suggestions. |
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| 11:56.01 | lippel | well, i didn't want to criticize kile, i actually like it ;-) |
| 11:56.20 | lippel | just latex == work to me, at least most of the time |
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| 11:57.06 | lippel | goron: hmm, i just _closed_ a bib and kile crashed |
| 11:57.14 | lippel | using SVN version though |
| 11:57.58 | goron | lippel: Well, it seems Kile can do both! |
| 11:58.19 | lippel | s/bib/bib file |
| 11:58.50 | goron | lippel: Some software just really stinks. Luckily not all. E.g. kpdf is pretty nice. |
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| 11:59.19 | lippel | goron: well, actually i haven't had problems with kile yet. and it was quite stable for me until now... |
| 11:59.30 | goron | lippel: Me too. That's why I was using it. |
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| 12:33.17 | Bounga | hello ! |
| 12:33.25 | Bounga | I'm using Kate but I sue gnome desktop. How can I set the default mailer program ? |
| 12:33.47 | eJ-D | hello ! |
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| 12:34.27 | oGALAXYo | Bounga: preferences -> prefered applications in the top gnome panel. |
| 12:34.43 | oGALAXYo | Bounga: though you shouldnt use gnome because its horrible broken. |
| 12:34.51 | Bounga | I like it |
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| 12:35.03 | oGALAXYo | you like broken things ? |
| 12:35.08 | Bounga | Why should I prefer KDE ? |
| 12:35.18 | Bounga | I don't find it's broken |
| 12:35.23 | Bounga | where is it broken ? |
| 12:35.24 | oGALAXYo | it is broken. |
| 12:35.42 | Bounga | hum ... |
| 12:35.46 | oGALAXYo | the code beneath it is broken, horrible api, horrible way of doing things and most it's all hacked together. |
| 12:35.58 | oGALAXYo | nothing really works as it must or should or intended. |
| 12:36.41 | oGALAXYo | oh and i say this as a former gnome developer. used to contribute to gnome for 6 years and was a former gnome foundation member, so i have a good knowledge about what i am talking. |
| 12:36.44 | Bounga | don't know if you're talking about that but I really prefer to write programs using gtk rather than qt |
| 12:37.06 | Bounga | My preferences are already set in prefered application (gnome panel) |
| 12:37.14 | Bounga | I think I have to use a K tool |
| 12:37.38 | oGALAXYo | so, what did you develop for gnome or gtk then ? |
| 12:37.57 | Bounga | personnal apps |
| 12:38.16 | oGALAXYo | any screenshots of your personal apps ? |
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| 12:40.07 | oGALAXYo | i think i understand ... |
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| 12:40.28 | Bounga | You ubderstand what? |
| 12:40.32 | Bounga | understand |
| 12:40.38 | Bounga | going to make some ss |
| 12:40.55 | Bounga | but why do you want ss ? |
| 12:41.27 | Bounga | You think KDE is more "eyes candy" than gnome ? |
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| 12:42.19 | oGALAXYo | i dont 'want' anything, i just asked for one because i am not really certain that you do develop gtk+ stuff.. i ask because i see a lot of people use 'i develop gtk+ apps' as some sort of poor excuse to NOT use QT or KDE, while in reality they dont have any codign skills at all or never ever programmed a damn shit. |
| 12:42.39 | Bounga | ... |
| 12:42.47 | Bounga | So I have to justify myself |
| 12:42.48 | oGALAXYo | i am wondering too because you said you don't see any issues with GNOME while its full of it and a good developer (even a partially good developer) should know this. |
| 12:43.05 | Bounga | I'm doing ruby/gtk (glade) |
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| 12:43.29 | Bounga | I'm certainly a bad dev |
| 12:43.50 | Bounga | but why is it important in our case ? I' talking about user experience not dev |
| 12:44.27 | oGALAXYo | the user experience is even more worse because its the user experience that lacks mostly here.. half of the things are working and the other half is broken or doesnt work. |
| 12:44.43 | oGALAXYo | if you 'seriously use gnome' then you would have noticed tons of bugs and issues. |
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| 12:45.17 | Bounga | ... I've installe dit on my deb 2 or 3 years ago and I don't have any problem |
| 12:45.20 | oGALAXYo | so i do assume that you only installed gnome and use regular things such as irc, mail, browse.. and the rest is simply sitting there for eyecandy purposes. |
| 12:45.23 | Bounga | installed |
| 12:45.48 | oGALAXYo | so you use a 2-3 years old gnome... and never had any issues ? wow :) |
| 12:46.05 | oGALAXYo | 2-3 years ago the api was a horrible mess.. |
| 12:46.14 | oGALAXYo | it hasnt changed much though but well.. |
| 12:46.33 | Bounga | I must be lucky |
| 12:48.29 | oGALAXYo | anyways it doesnt really matter and is of course none of my business. but i do assume you never did anything for gtk+ or gnome yourself and use the excuse 'i prefer to program in gtk+ because its C' as most others do. but in reality never did anything code related.. and those who say they never had any issues with gnome i dont trust either because its a god damn lie. |
| 12:48.58 | Bounga | ... |
| 12:49.14 | canllaith | wow, looks like a heated debate! |
| 12:49.20 | Bounga | first of all, don't care if the lib is C or C++ or whatever written |
| 12:49.23 | Bounga | really |
| 12:49.25 | oGALAXYo | but thats as you rightfully say not the problem, i only liked to tell you by the way that GNOME is horrible broken... and i say this because i dont want to offend you.. no just because i know gnome good enough to inform people how the reality is. |
| 12:49.45 | Bounga | I don't have any problem with gnoem, what's the problem with that ? |
| 12:50.10 | Bounga | I do write thing using gtk/glade |
| 12:50.26 | Bounga | finally I don't have my answer to my simple question |
| 12:50.28 | oGALAXYo | why do you ask me ? find out on your own, if you really use GNOME as you said then you will notice tons of them. so many that you can file in 50k bugs on your own on the gnome bugtracker :) |
| 12:50.33 | canllaith | Bounga: what was the question? |
| 12:50.49 | canllaith | Aha, I see |
| 12:50.53 | canllaith | Bounga: do you have kcontrol ? |
| 12:51.01 | Bounga | canllaith: How do I set the default mailer ? 'cause kate want to use kmail |
| 12:51.03 | canllaith | and what version of kate are you using? |
| 12:51.04 | Sho_ | oGALAXYo: Can you explain to me why you start playing the missionary and quite frankly become quite insulting just because he asked a question about using a KDE app in Gnome? |
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| 12:51.24 | oGALAXYo | Sho_: why do you care ? |
| 12:51.35 | oGALAXYo | shadowc4t: explain to me first why you start playing the judge ? |
| 12:51.38 | Bounga | canllaith: Yes I've got it |
| 12:51.40 | oGALAXYo | Sho_: that is. |
| 12:51.55 | Bounga | I'm using Kate 2.4.1 |
| 12:51.58 | canllaith | Bounga: depending on your KDE version you may be able to set your default mailer in kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser |
| 12:52.36 | Sho_ | oGALAXYo: I find it detrimental to the climate and purpose of this channel |
| 12:52.39 | Bounga | canllaith: thank you canllaith :) |
| 12:52.48 | Bounga | canllaith: that was all I wanted to know ;) |
| 12:53.00 | canllaith | Bounga: you're welcome. I hope that works - I haven't tried to use it myself though in such a way. |
| 12:53.43 | oGALAXYo | Sho_: actually i dont think thats the case, at least not from my perspective. i only asked him why he is using gnome and told him that there are a lot of issues with it. |
| 12:55.06 | Bounga | canllaith: It works well |
| 12:55.34 | canllaith | Bounga: good! I will remember that for the next person. What mailer are you using? |
| 12:55.42 | Bounga | evolution |
| 12:55.45 | canllaith | ok cool |
| 12:56.04 | Bounga | but we shouldn't talk about it |
| 12:56.25 | Bounga | I know someone here that is nervous when I speak about gnome related stuff |
| 12:56.30 | straw | the idea that gnome might move to mono makes me snicker |
| 12:56.33 | canllaith | So really don't worry about it. |
| 12:57.10 | Bounga | s/tht/who/ |
| 12:57.21 | oGALAXYo | straw: that too.. |
| 12:57.58 | straw | they do produce some nice apps, though |
| 12:58.09 | oGALAXYo | no doubt. |
| 12:58.42 | straw | oGALAXYo: i remember you from #gnome on gimpnet some years ago |
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| 12:59.21 | straw | but i think we've already had that conversation :) |
| 12:59.36 | oGALAXYo | i am still on gimpnet, its no that i dont support them, actually i do like gnome but i also like kde very much. but i think its fair to inform people about the situation of GNOME rather than have them stay fooled by crappy gnome marketing. |
| 12:59.43 | oGALAXYo | straw: might be :) |
| 13:00.01 | canllaith | Perhaps not when they're wanting to find an answer to a question :) It gets a bit lost among the gnome information then. |
| 13:00.37 | oGALAXYo | canllaith: right but if they dont use gnome then they dont need to ask these questions :) |
| 13:00.42 | canllaith | heh not true! |
| 13:00.51 | straw | heheh |
| 13:00.55 | canllaith | I know of KDE users who don't know about the component chooser :) |
| 13:01.43 | oGALAXYo | i know people who never heard about active directory, mmc and the maintainance tools of windows :) |
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| 13:02.08 | straw | is that what that's called? |
| 13:02.35 | oGALAXYo | yeah |
| 13:02.50 | canllaith | mmc? :) |
| 13:02.58 | oGALAXYo | i finished a 5 days seminare about windows 2003 server... i initially thought i knew all about it but i was proven wrong :) |
| 13:03.06 | straw | you don't wanna know, canllaith |
| 13:03.07 | Sho_ | canllaith, "management console", IIRC |
| 13:03.08 | canllaith | Sounds interesting |
| 13:03.16 | Bounga | thnak you for your answers |
| 13:03.32 | canllaith | I've heard of Active Directory - usually in the context of 'something we're about to replace with samba & open ldap' |
| 13:03.40 | oGALAXYo | yep |
| 13:03.46 | Bounga | oGALAXYo: than you for *your* point of view. Maybe I'm going to switch one day, who knows ... |
| 13:04.00 | Bounga | bye |
| 13:04.04 | Bounga | have a good day |
| 13:04.11 | canllaith | Cya :) |
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| 13:04.48 | oGALAXYo | canllaith: open 'run' application and enter 'mmc' |
| 13:05.09 | canllaith | *sigh* I hate it when you get used to using SVN KDE, and then have to switch back to stable version. |
| 13:05.45 | straw | and all the bits you like aren't there :) |
| 13:05.49 | canllaith | Indeed :) |
| 13:06.00 | canllaith | although 3.4 isn't too bad. I prefer 3.4 kopete to what svn trunk is like right now. |
| 13:06.02 | straw | i'm jonesing for 3.5... |
| 13:06.03 | Hobbsee | canllaith: you found it wasnt stable? |
| 13:06.09 | canllaith | Hobbsee: It's rock solid stable. |
| 13:06.17 | Hobbsee | then why'd you go back? |
| 13:06.21 | benJIman | kopete has never been rock solid |
| 13:06.23 | canllaith | Hobbsee: I've just tried a new linux distro on my laptop is all, and it came with 3.4 |
| 13:06.31 | canllaith | I haven't installed my 3.5 build from my desktop on it yet. |
| 13:06.34 | Hobbsee | ah...fun...what'd you try? |
| 13:06.37 | Hobbsee | lol...get to it |
| 13:06.40 | canllaith | Still setting up various things. |
| 13:06.43 | oGALAXYo | straw: you switched to kde ? |
| 13:06.44 | canllaith | Suse professional 9.3 |
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| 13:06.50 | Hobbsee | kopete doesnt seem to be, wish it was more rock solid |
| 13:06.51 | straw | canllaith: what! no slack? |
| 13:06.53 | canllaith | It's very very nice. I'm quite impressed. |
| 13:06.58 | Sho_ | canllaith: Bad timing, with 10.0 coming out in five days :) |
| 13:06.59 | Hobbsee | ah ok |
| 13:07.00 | canllaith | straw: I'm still using slack on the two desktops here :) |
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| 13:07.16 | canllaith | Sho_: A friend gave me cds for free, and I'm not worried about being up to date with the latest version really :) |
| 13:07.30 | straw | oh, right. i forgot you had several boxen |
| 13:07.33 | canllaith | It has a very recent kernel, and I'll build my own 3.5 KDE and then I'm happy. I don't mind if other apps are a little older. |
| 13:07.44 | Hobbsee | speaking of which, does the idle in kopete actually work for anyone here? It shows on all the other computers that i'm not idle, when kopete says that i am |
| 13:08.26 | canllaith | straw: Suse has some very nice tools for powermanagement on laptops. It's set up ACPI on this thing much better than I ever managed under slack, so I might keep suse for the laptop and slack for the desktops. |
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| 13:08.59 | canllaith | Although it's already driven me nuts a few times with it's dependancy checking and all that :) Bit of learning curve. |
| 13:09.23 | straw | canllaith: i've been very tempted by suse lately. i'll probably switch come opensuse 10 |
| 13:09.54 | straw | canllaith: deps are good in the long run |
| 13:10.21 | canllaith | I'd much rather manage them myself, but I feel I can get used to this for the sake of good ACPI support and having nice stable KDE packages put together by someone else for paying work. |
| 13:10.28 | canllaith | Keep the bleeding edge stuff away from my writing :) |
| 13:10.29 | straw | it is annoying until you're used to it |
| 13:10.49 | canllaith | Especially when next year I'm going back to study as well. I don't want to be writing assignments on KDE4 when it's pre-alpha ;) |
| 13:11.16 | Hobbsee | canllaith: bah...where's your sense of adventure? :P |
| 13:11.30 | canllaith | I've run bleeding edge KDE for all of my machines for a year now. |
| 13:11.32 | straw | and .specs are actually rather easy to learn to write |
| 13:11.39 | canllaith | That's plenty of adventure for me for the moment |
| 13:11.49 | canllaith | straw: oh, I'm the RPM maintainer for an open source project. I'm quite familiar with RPM |
| 13:11.50 | inc|freaky | canllaith: how is kde3.5 beta? |
| 13:11.52 | canllaith | and I really don't mind it. |
| 13:12.04 | canllaith | inc|freaky: Beautiful. I can't wait to get it back on my laptop after my reinstall. |
| 13:12.20 | inc|freaky | canllaith: are there any problems? |
| 13:12.32 | canllaith | Well, to be honest in the applications I use |
| 13:12.42 | canllaith | I'm seeing less problems now than there were in the actual release of 3.4 |
| 13:13.09 | Hobbsee | having no problems here on kde 3.5 beta, on kubuntu |
| 13:13.18 | canllaith | It's very very stable. |
| 13:13.35 | Hobbsee | way more stable than 3.4.2, i think |
| 13:13.43 | canllaith | Certainly more so than 3.4.0 was. |
| 13:13.43 | PhilRod | I have a couple of minor issues with it, but I'm fairly sure they're problems with my crufty setup |
| 13:13.44 | Hobbsee | kopete still crashes occasinally though |
| 13:14.21 | peratu | Hi. |
| 13:14.28 | canllaith | Hey there PhilRod :) |
| 13:15.00 | canllaith | That reminds me, I should compile konversation on here. |
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| 13:15.43 | inc|freaky | are you all using kde3.5beta? |
| 13:15.56 | pinotree | Qt: 3.3.5 |
| 13:15.56 | pinotree | KDE: 3.4.91 (beta1, >= 20050910) |
| 13:15.56 | pinotree | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 13:16.04 | canllaith | :) |
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| 13:16.29 | inc|freaky | hm, ok |
| 13:16.48 | Hobbsee | inc|freaky: that means yes |
| 13:16.52 | Hobbsee | and yes |
| 13:16.56 | oGALAXYo | and yes |
| 13:17.18 | inc|freaky | what are the differences is ther any changelog? |
| 13:17.37 | Hobbsee | there is a changelog on kde site, i think |
| 13:17.40 | canllaith | inc|freaky: there is some information here: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html |
| 13:17.40 | oGALAXYo | a changelog to what version ? |
| 13:17.44 | Hobbsee | some differences - i like the new mouseover timezones |
| 13:17.46 | canllaith | There isn't really any changelog yet. |
| 13:18.16 | oGALAXYo | i think kde 3.5 will be the last kde i am using. |
| 13:18.50 | Hobbsee | nice site canllaith |
| 13:19.03 | canllaith | Thanks :) |
| 13:19.13 | canllaith | Not very IE compatible I'm afraid. I need to fix that. |
| 13:19.40 | oGALAXYo | canllaith: its not you who need to fix the site, its ms who needs to fix IE |
| 13:20.00 | Hobbsee | lol...very true |
| 13:20.08 | Hobbsee | i wouldnt notice - not using ie |
| 13:20.32 | straw | canllaith: just redirect to "Your Browser Sucks" in 64 pt ;) |
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| 13:21.17 | canllaith | No, I'd rather my family are able to view the site. |
| 13:21.29 | canllaith | and I can't install firefox from 5000km away :) |
| 13:21.34 | straw | heheh |
| 13:22.05 | Hobbsee | well, there's a remote registry edit in windows xp, so you might be able to do something about it :P |
| 13:22.06 | canllaith | For the moment I've settled with having the photo gallery generated by Album Shaper |
| 13:22.24 | canllaith | It's a very nice Qt app that generates html that seems to work in everything. |
| 13:22.52 | Hobbsee | html for albums, or html to do everything? |
| 13:22.59 | canllaith | For web albums |
| 13:23.13 | canllaith | That's pretty much all it does, but it does it very well. |
| 13:23.13 | Hobbsee | *nods* |
| 13:23.24 | Hobbsee | it definetly does, seeing it's output! |
| 13:23.49 | canllaith | It has I think 5 themes also you can use for websites. I'm very pleased with it. I have been meaning to write a magazine article on it to get the author some publicity |
| 13:24.06 | canllaith | but I just wrote digikam, and then gthumb. perhaps give the image apps a rest for a month or two ;) |
| 13:24.41 | chimaera | is there a way to assign shortcuts/actions to mouse-buttons using kde, or do i have to use some 3rd/party-app? |
| 13:24.53 | oGALAXYo | canllaith: try printing gif pictures with gthumb :) |
| 13:25.04 | canllaith | I don't have a printer nor any gif images I'd like to print. |
| 13:25.10 | straw | chimaera: no, not yet afaik |
| 13:26.15 | straw | i really want Back/Forward on my side mouse buttons in konq |
| 13:26.30 | Sho_ | chimaera: I'm using a ridiculously complicated setup involving xbindkeys and xvkbd to acchieve that |
| 13:26.39 | canllaith | hehe that drives me crazy in mozilla. I keep hitting the button by accident ad going 'hey! where did my page go?' |
| 13:29.02 | chimaera | Sho_: errrr, 'ridiculously complicated' sounds nice ;) |
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| 13:29.44 | Sho_ | chimaera: I'd love to see a sophisticated mouse setup UI myself, especially since I want per-app profiles for the buttons |
| 13:29.46 | PhilRod | if there's a KDE way to do it, it'll involve khotkeys |
| 13:30.07 | chimaera | PhilRod: khotkeys can't do it. |
| 13:30.13 | Sho_ | On Windows, the hardware vendors ship such apps ... |
| 13:30.13 | czubin | is there a shortcut which moves the window with focus to another workspace? |
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| 13:30.29 | straw | PhilRod: i tried. gestures are possible, buttons not it seems |
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| 13:32.45 | PhilRod | czubin: Alt+F3, d, <n> |
| 13:32.56 | PhilRod | where <n> is the number of the desktop you want to move it to |
| 13:33.14 | PhilRod | you can probably get a shorter shortcut using the control center |
| 13:33.23 | czubin | PhilRod: thanks |
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| 13:45.14 | bushwakko | how does the downloading of superkaramba themes work? |
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| 13:45.50 | apokryphos | bushwakko: in the latest 0.37 you mean? |
| 13:45.55 | bushwakko | yes |
| 13:45.59 | bushwakko | there is a downloader there |
| 13:46.00 | apokryphos | with Khotnewstuff |
| 13:46.05 | bushwakko | yes |
| 13:46.12 | bushwakko | but they don't appear in the menu after I Download them |
| 13:46.15 | apokryphos | (same as Kopete, amaroK and backgrounds) |
| 13:46.21 | apokryphos | oh |
| 13:46.54 | apokryphos | bushwakko: what packages are you using? Or you compiling? |
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| 13:47.05 | bushwakko | compiling |
| 13:47.05 | bushwakko | gentoo |
| 13:47.24 | annma | what kde version? |
| 13:47.56 | bushwakko | 3.4.2 |
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| 13:48.32 | annma | I dont think it has KHotNewStuff then |
| 13:48.42 | apokryphos | 0.37 does |
| 13:48.51 | annma | it was outside kde for kkde3.4. |
| 13:48.53 | bushwakko | I use kdehotstuff |
| 13:48.55 | bushwakko | and it downloads |
| 13:48.58 | annma | ah |
| 13:49.05 | annma | so what's the problem? |
| 13:49.09 | bushwakko | but they don't appear in the meny |
| 13:49.16 | annma | what menu? |
| 13:49.21 | bushwakko | the superkaramba list? |
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| 13:49.32 | bushwakko | how do I activate them |
| 13:49.36 | annma | no idea |
| 13:49.38 | apokryphos | hm, they really should. Is it possible to just blame it on Gentoo? ;-) |
| 13:49.44 | annma | lol |
| 13:49.49 | bushwakko | hehe |
| 13:49.49 | apokryphos | bushwakko: did it download/install them properly? |
| 13:49.49 | annma | ;) |
| 13:49.54 | bushwakko | yes |
| 13:49.57 | bushwakko | I got a green thing |
| 13:50.03 | apokryphos | odd |
| 13:50.08 | apokryphos | rc1? |
| 13:50.21 | bushwakko | weird |
| 13:50.26 | bushwakko | tried another one |
| 13:50.30 | bushwakko | and it worked ! |
| 13:50.32 | apokryphos | heh |
| 13:50.37 | annma | so one was bad |
| 13:50.39 | bushwakko | the two randomly selected ones I tried didn't! |
| 13:50.41 | annma | it happens |
| 13:50.47 | apokryphos | I don't think the khotnewstuff is perfected (weather theme didn't work for me) |
| 13:50.51 | bushwakko | it was liquid weather ++ |
| 13:50.55 | annma | report to superkaramba guy, bushwakko |
| 13:50.56 | apokryphos | bushwakko: if you're using rc1 you should upgrade to rc2 |
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| 13:51.00 | bushwakko | ahh |
| 13:51.02 | bushwakko | using rc2 |
| 13:51.09 | apokryphos | oh ok |
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| 14:25.37 | inc|freaky | what is the page with the kicker tricks again? |
| 14:26.29 | apokryphos | inc|freaky: canllaith.org |
| 14:26.34 | inc|freaky | ah yea thx :D |
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| 14:30.16 | orangey | hey all! |
| 14:30.20 | PhilRod | hi orangey |
| 14:30.36 | orangey | I'm trying to get a pocketpc synced to kontact.. any advice on where I can get a howto? |
| 14:30.48 | orangey | I get the feeling I need a synce and a syncekonnector.. |
| 14:30.52 | orangey | PhilRod!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:30.56 | orangey | PhilRod, how are you? |
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| 14:32.23 | PhilRod | fine thanks orangey - back off to uni tomorrow |
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| 14:32.35 | _rob | hi |
| 14:32.48 | PhilRod | orangey: you? |
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| 14:32.59 | _rob | anybody know why linux suse diconnects you every two mins from internet? |
| 14:33.46 | orangey | PhilRod, Started uni a month ago! Do you guys only start now? |
| 14:34.07 | orangey | _rob, isn't that a better question for the suse channel? |
| 14:34.23 | _rob | ok #suse? |
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| 14:34.54 | orangey | _rob, what version are you using? |
| 14:35.36 | _rob | 9.3 |
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| 14:35.59 | _rob | very new to linux |
| 14:36.01 | PhilRod | orangey: yeah, unis here generally start around now (some have started already, but others are a bit later) |
| 14:36.54 | _rob | the problems i'm having is when i start mozilla or any other internet browser it just does nto work |
| 14:37.07 | _rob | and i can check for updates or sign into msn or an ything |
| 14:37.18 | _rob | its like internet is totally broken, any ideas? |
| 14:37.37 | _rob | I have turned the firewall off etc but i'm still having the same kind of problems |
| 14:38.27 | PhilRod | can you ping websites? |
| 14:38.40 | _rob | erm how i command link up |
| 14:38.44 | orangey | _rob, yeah, then #suse is good. if you're using opensuse, then #opensuse maybe. |
| 14:38.57 | orangey | PhilRod, and when do you end? |
| 14:39.17 | PhilRod | orangey: second week of december or so |
| 14:39.28 | PhilRod | but other universities finish later - we just have shorter terms |
| 14:39.41 | orangey | PhilRod, surely they run more than 3 months a year! |
| 14:40.00 | PhilRod | oh, you mean the year - yeah, end of June |
| 14:40.11 | PhilRod | do you have terms or semesters? |
| 14:45.17 | benJIman | PhilRod: what university are you at? |
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| 14:47.30 | PhilRod | benJIman: Oxford |
| 14:47.40 | benJIman | ah |
| 14:49.27 | benJIman | how many hours a week though? |
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| 14:50.39 | PhilRod | I dunno, I've never really counted :-) |
| 14:51.03 | PhilRod | I'll quite often be working until when I go to bed, but I won't have been working all day before that |
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| 14:59.47 | chandoo | hi :) |
| 15:00.29 | chandoo | i am getting error when i drag the .htm file into firefox from konquerer error is "media is not a recognised protocol" how to prevent this error |
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| 15:01.46 | thiago | chavo: upgrade KDE |
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| 15:02.53 | bushwakko | when I enable transparency in kde with composite my x hangs on login |
| 15:02.56 | bushwakko | I ave to reboot the computer |
| 15:03.07 | thiago | don't enable composite then |
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| 15:03.29 | bushwakko | well, thats the whole point with transparency that you need composite to make it work |
| 15:03.44 | sarefo | hi, is there a way to show a folder-only tree view in a konqueror window? |
| 15:04.12 | sarefo | all i found was viemode->treeView, which shows the files, too. |
| 15:04.58 | chavo | sarefo, hit F9 to open the sidebar, then you can use the tree in the sidebar |
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| 15:06.21 | sarefo | thx chavo |
| 15:06.43 | chavo | no problem |
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| 15:07.39 | sarefo | chavo: are you referring to 'root folder'? |
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| 15:07.57 | sarefo | is there a way to start the tree at the current directory? i have a rather nested structure at times ;) |
| 15:08.04 | chavo | sarefo, yes, there's one at root and one that is only in your home directory |
| 15:09.03 | sarefo | ok, then that'll have to do it. |
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| 15:10.18 | chavo | sarefo, just open a directory and then navigate back to where you were, the tree view will then be open where your at |
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| 15:16.14 | bushwakko | do I need something special to make the transparancy work in kde? |
| 15:16.39 | bushwakko | there is a transparency tab under window behaviour or something |
| 15:16.45 | bushwakko | but it hangs during loading |
| 15:16.47 | chavo | bushwakko, waht video card do you have? |
| 15:16.56 | bushwakko | nvidia |
| 15:16.57 | bushwakko | newest drivers |
| 15:17.07 | bushwakko | a friend of mine with an amd64 got it to work yesterday |
| 15:17.21 | chavo | well that's the best setup at the moment, but still not perfect |
| 15:17.27 | bushwakko | do I need a special version of xcompmgr or something? |
| 15:17.37 | bushwakko | my x hangs at startup with it on |
| 15:17.39 | bushwakko | have to reboot |
| 15:17.42 | bushwakko | with the reset button |
| 15:17.50 | chavo | bushwakko, are you using xcompmgr or the one that comes with KDE? |
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| 15:18.26 | SbCl3 | why did k3b burn my cd and make all the files capitalized and put underscores where there were spaces? |
| 15:19.00 | factor | geez sound like some kinda dos stff did it truncate your files as well? |
| 15:19.04 | bushwakko | chavo, I'm using the tab in kcontrol |
| 15:19.13 | bushwakko | chavo: thought that used xcompmgr |
| 15:19.26 | sfs | on kde 3.4.2 using media:/, shouldn't the harddisk partitions be visible under /media ? or is that just removable stuff that goes there ? |
| 15:19.29 | SbCl3 | factor: not sure what you mean |
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| 15:19.36 | chavo | bushwakko, it's actually called kompmgr |
| 15:19.48 | factor | 8 haraters 3 for extention. |
| 15:20.00 | SbCl3 | factor: no |
| 15:20.08 | factor | THIS_IS_.MY_ |
| 15:20.12 | factor | k |
| 15:20.23 | bushwakko | wakko@bushwakko ~ $ kompmgr |
| 15:20.23 | bushwakko | trying '/home/wakko/.xcompmgrrc' as configfile |
| 15:20.23 | bushwakko | finished parsing the config file |
| 15:20.23 | bushwakko | No composite extension |
| 15:20.25 | bushwakko | weird |
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| 15:21.39 | bushwakko | (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE |
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| 15:22.07 | bushwakko | what configfile does it use? |
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| 15:42.47 | dec0ding | hi, when I play avi file in kaffeine I get sound but not video (just blank screen). Any idea on what might be the problem? |
| 15:45.16 | annma | does xine work? |
| 15:45.28 | annma | kaffeine is only a xine wrapup |
| 15:46.02 | dec0ding | xine plays the file but somehow slow |
| 15:46.14 | dec0ding | I preffer kaffeine, which used to work |
| 15:46.29 | relentlessslacke | Hod do I set a hot-key combination for minimize window action for the particular application? |
| 15:46.38 | relentlessslacke | How * blah blah blah )) |
| 15:50.49 | relentlessslacke | no one knows? |
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| 15:55.57 | PhilRod | relentlessslacke: "Alt+F3, N" will do it |
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| 15:56.56 | dec0ding | stupid KDE |
| 15:56.58 | relentlessslacke | PhilRod ----> I need to assign a key set of my own for Konversation |
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| 16:16.41 | [BAF64] | how do i disable the fading in of tooltips from the taskbar in kde 3.4? |
| 16:16.55 | [BAF64] | i turned off fading of tooltips, but it didnt affect the hovering over icons (like konq) |
| 16:17.26 | Benbread | Hey, I'm using Debian Etch but Apt-get refuses to install kde (possibly broken dependancies) has anyone had any experiance with this who can help me? :) |
| 16:18.04 | [BAF64] | aha |
| 16:18.08 | [BAF64] | got it, it was some hidden option |
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| 16:18.36 | Arc | can someone help me with kate? |
| 16:18.58 | Arc | I had X freeze up on me on a system I can still login to, and kate is still running... |
| 16:19.25 | Arc | I have a document, untitled and unsaved, that I spent about two hours working on. I need to be able to save it from the command line |
| 16:21.27 | Arc | maybe through DCOP? |
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| 16:22.25 | Benbread | Does anyone know if kde 3.5b1 apt sources are available? |
| 16:23.01 | pinotree | Arc: try with dcop kate-numberofyourkatesession EditInterface#1 text to get the text of your document |
| 16:24.23 | Arc | how do I get the number of my kate session? is it the PID? |
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| 16:25.30 | chavo | Arc, just hit dcop kate[TAB] |
| 16:25.37 | pinotree | Arc: write dcop in the shell and search for kate |
| 16:25.56 | Arc | ah. there's a kate but no number after it |
| 16:26.13 | Arc | when i type "dcop kate EditInterface#1 text" it just hangs |
| 16:27.28 | pinotree | are you in a tty ? |
| 16:27.47 | Arc | yes. |
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| 16:28.01 | pinotree | ok, stop that dcop and do export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 16:28.20 | pinotree | and then retry |
| 16:28.23 | Arc | pinotree: I'm currently on a LTSP session with that system |
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| 16:28.33 | pinotree | :-/ |
| 16:28.42 | Arc | I did a export DISPLAY=:0 (which refers to the kate running on the locked up box) and it hangs |
| 16:28.58 | Arc | is there a way i can yank that kate session to a different X session? |
| 16:29.18 | frb | no |
| 16:29.26 | frb | unless you were running dmx |
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| 16:30.22 | Arc | well kate is probobally hung because it cant talk to it's X session |
| 16:32.39 | Arc | wish it were threaded |
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| 16:33.18 | PhilRod | perhaps kate has some autosave feature? |
| 16:33.39 | straw | it does, if it's checked |
| 16:33.49 | Arc | i dont think it does if it's not been saved yet/is untitled |
| 16:34.11 | Arc | ok what about in memory |
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| 16:34.22 | Arc | i should be able to grab the memory of a pid that's still running |
| 16:35.02 | mdouhan | Arc: sure but I wonder how easy though |
| 16:35.45 | straw | actually, it's not auto-save. it's back-up on save |
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| 16:36.32 | Arc | anyone know how to dump the memory of a pid? |
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| 16:40.56 | PhilRod | Arc: perhaps you can attach gdb to it? |
| 16:41.41 | PhilRod | oh, and is there any chance that some other app is hogging X, which is why kate can't talk to it? |
| 16:41.52 | PhilRod | I mean, perhaps killing that other app will get you your X back |
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| 16:49.44 | freemanen | Is it possible to have a key to change volume in kde? |
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| 16:52.40 | PhilRod | freemanen: yes |
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| 16:52.54 | freemanen | how? |
| 16:53.06 | PhilRod | freemanen: run kmix and take a look whether it has a global shortcut for it |
| 16:53.28 | PhilRod | if not, there'll be another way to do it |
| 16:53.35 | freemanen | oki how? |
| 16:54.12 | PhilRod | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/adding-extra-keys.html and the following page might help |
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| 16:54.23 | freemanen | yhanks |
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| 16:54.54 | Arc | PhilRod: no its a bug in the X driver |
| 16:55.17 | freemanen | ? |
| 16:55.21 | Arc | the proprietary nvidia drivers are really buggy, this peticular one has plauged us for over three years |
| 16:55.29 | Arc | over about 12 version upgrades |
| 16:56.04 | freemanen | oki |
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| 16:56.26 | PhilRod | freemanen: ok, this is easier than I thought: Alt+F2, type 'kmix', hit enter. In the kmix window, go to settings->configure global shortcuts, and you have the volume up and volume down options there |
| 16:56.49 | PhilRod | Arc: oh, nasty |
| 16:57.05 | freemanen | thanks |
| 16:57.23 | Arc | i'm (re) installing gdb now |
| 16:57.33 | sfs | anyone know a good pop3 mail checker for kicker tray ? |
| 16:57.44 | PhilRod | you can get kmail to minimize to the systray |
| 16:57.48 | PhilRod | or use kbiff |
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| 16:58.00 | sfs | kbiff |
| 16:58.01 | sfs | ok |
| 16:58.55 | sfs | thanks! |
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| 17:00.54 | pinotree | never tried, bu i know that exists :-) |
| 17:00.58 | PhilRod | oh, maybe that was what I meant :-) |
| 17:01.12 | PhilRod | I tried one of them ages ago, but I can't really remember which one it was |
| 17:01.30 | pinotree | also gkrellm animation is nice |
| 17:01.42 | pinotree | yes, /me uses gkrellm |
| 17:01.47 | frb | gkrellm is too big |
| 17:01.53 | pinotree | nah |
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| 17:02.35 | feistel | hi |
| 17:02.46 | feistel | is incremental streaming for DVD-R supported? I need burn a multi session DVD-R and k3b say: |
| 17:02.57 | feistel | Your writer (XXX) does not support Incremental Streaming with DVD-R media. Multisession will not be possible. Continue anyway? |
| 17:03.23 | pinotree | feistel: how is XXX called? |
| 17:03.30 | pinotree | most probably depeds on it |
| 17:03.57 | feistel | sony dvd "dw-q28a" |
| 17:04.54 | feistel | any suggest? |
| 17:05.10 | feistel | I can write without problem with Nero in Windows |
| 17:05.11 | thiago | feistel: given the message, I'd say it is supported, but not by your recorder |
| 17:05.21 | thiago | or not recognised as such |
| 17:05.25 | feistel | thiago, no |
| 17:05.35 | feistel | with Nero I can burn without problems |
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| 17:15.07 | feistel | is incremental streaming for DVD-R supported? I need burn a multi session DVD-R and k3b say: |
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| 17:22.11 | feistel | is incremental streaming for DVD-R supported ni k3b? |
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| 17:36.46 | chandoo | i am getting widgets, but superkaramba theme buttons are not responding, |
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| 17:37.39 | elvirolo | hi all |
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| 17:37.52 | elvirolo | has anyone found a way to block google ads in konqueror ? |
| 17:40.25 | elvirolo | ideas? |
| 17:40.37 | Sho_ | elvirolo: Using adblock support in 3.5beta1 and Filterset.G, I see no google ads. |
| 17:40.54 | elvirolo | Sho_: hum... |
| 17:41.11 | elvirolo | Sho_: they still show up here (3.5beta1 too) |
| 17:41.31 | Sho_ | elvirolo: Using Filterset.G? |
| 17:42.12 | elvirolo | Sho_: well, i use filterset.G with firefox, so i just exported the filter list and imported it in konqueror, is that the right thing to do ? |
| 17:42.32 | Sho_ | elvirolo: Well, I did the same, so I'd say "yes" ... |
| 17:42.47 | elvirolo | strange |
| 17:42.59 | Sho_ | elvirolo: For example, www.lautgeben.de has embedded Google ads which are properly filtered when I activate adblocking |
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| 17:43.57 | Borg^Queen | Hey people, I'm having trouble playing flash file on Konq. I have video but no sound |
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| 17:44.14 | elvirolo | Sho_: hum, doesn't show up either |
| 17:44.33 | Sho_ | elvirolo: tell me a page you got problems with :) |
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| 17:44.56 | elvirolo | Sho_: but if I go there : http://www.google.fr/search?q=linux&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 ads show up with konqueror but not firefox |
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| 17:45.51 | Sho_ | elvirolo: Yah ... AFAIK it cannot block DIVs like Adblock Plus for Firefox, and the adds there are neither in an iframe nor an image/object, so they can't be blocked |
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| 17:46.20 | elvirolo | ah i see |
| 17:46.44 | elvirolo | Sho_: but isn't it possible to filter out any content which comes from a specific server ? |
| 17:46.54 | elvirolo | Sho_: say the content of googleads |
| 17:46.58 | elvirolo | whoops |
| 17:47.20 | Sho_ | elvirolo: Well, only if the source of the page contains the source URLs of the content |
| 17:47.23 | elvirolo | Sho_: say the content of googleads.google.com is put in a <div> in the search page |
| 17:47.37 | Sho_ | elvirolo: In that case you can blog googleads*, yeah |
| 17:47.51 | elvirolo | Sho_: and is it the case ? |
| 17:48.30 | PhilRod | quite amusing |
| 17:48.41 | PhilRod | though the interface is *horrible* |
| 17:49.02 | Sho_ | elvirolo: no |
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| 17:49.12 | elvirolo | Sho_: ok |
| 17:49.19 | elvirolo | Sho_: thanks for your help :) |
| 17:49.56 | PhilRod | Borg^Queen: there's a setting in settings->configure konq where you can make plugins use artdsp |
| 17:50.03 | Sho_ | elvirolo: You know, it depends on whether or not the content is put together on the client or the server side. Some pages use an <iframe> contrainer with an URL parameter, so the client can just chose not to get the content from that URL. If that happens on the server and Konqui gets the compiled document, however, there's nothing one can do. |
| 17:50.09 | Borg^Queen | Hey PhilRod |
| 17:50.22 | PhilRod | heya borgy |
| 17:50.32 | Sho_ | elvirolo: Except filtering elements with unique identifiers (id attributes) like Adblock Plus for Firefox can, but Konqui AFAIK can't |
| 17:51.01 | Borg^Queen | I see it thanks PhilRod |
| 17:51.17 | elvirolo | Sho_: i see, for ex if you have <div><? getAd($keyword) ?></div> then the url won't appear in the source |
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| 17:51.50 | Sho_ | elvirolo: Theoretically, you could add your own CSS to set such elements to display:none; however ... this is getting quite technical and requires some website development experience, however |
| 17:52.03 | elvirolo | Sho_: ok |
| 17:52.05 | Borg^Queen | PhilRod: you rock |
| 17:52.18 | sredna | Hello * |
| 17:52.40 | Borg^Queen | hey sredna! |
| 17:52.42 | Borg^Queen | How are you? |
| 17:52.49 | sredna | Fine, thank you :) |
| 17:52.54 | sredna | And you? |
| 17:53.06 | Borg^Queen | good thanks to PhilRod I just learned something new |
| 17:53.12 | sredna | Yay :) |
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| 17:58.09 | Borg^Queen | PhilRod: have to seen Neo Yuppie Sbag Xmas? |
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| 18:03.58 | PhilRod | Borg^Queen: huh? |
| 18:04.44 | knoppix | hello.. |
| 18:04.46 | Borg^Queen | its a goof on people that don't like other people's religion, like Christmas |
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| 18:04.50 | Borg^Queen | hello knoppix |
| 18:05.20 | knoppix | how are you? |
| 18:05.43 | Borg^Queen | good and u? |
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| 18:10.24 | Borg^Queen | brb |
| 18:14.44 | Oleg_ | I am reading the page on how to use svn and not sure if I understand it correctly: |
| 18:15.08 | Oleg_ | for the initial checkout I gotta type svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/arts |
| 18:15.30 | Oleg_ | but for the second checkout, I gotta type svn up svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/arts? |
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| 18:16.11 | lippel | Oleg_: no, just go to arts/ and do "svn up" |
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| 18:16.52 | Groovy | is there "minimize all windows" button ? |
| 18:18.00 | lippel | Oleg_: you can do also "svn co svn://...../kde/trunk -N", cd trunk, "svn up arts", "svn up kdelibs" etc |
| 18:18.25 | frb | is there a cervisia like app for svn yet? |
| 18:20.14 | lippel | frb:doesn't cervisia support svn these days? |
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| 18:20.36 | Oleg_ | I don't get it |
| 18:21.01 | Oleg_ | if I type the above commands, what version of kde will I get? |
| 18:21.11 | Oleg_ | kde 4, kde 3.5, or something else? |
| 18:21.23 | frb | lippel: it didn't say so at first glance |
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| 18:22.02 | lippel | frb: there is also http://www.alwins-world.de/programs/kdesvn/ |
| 18:22.34 | lippel | haven't used either of them though |
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| 18:29.22 | Oleg_ | If I use the /trunk path, what will I get? |
| 18:29.45 | Oleg_ | the /trunk path is for the latest snapshots? |
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| 18:40.05 | egonb | hi, does somone know where can i find some alternative editor colorschemes for kate/quanta? |
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| 18:46.55 | nordle | Is there anyway for me to view images from web pages I visited in the last week. I've got a 500MB cache which I cleared a few weeks ago, so know If it has stored it, it will still be there, thanks. |
| 18:47.08 | nordle | doh! |
| 18:47.18 | nordle | I meant in konqueror 3.4.1 |
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| 18:49.08 | PhilRod | nordle: it should be somewhere in ~/.kde, I imagine, thought I can't find it on my system |
| 18:49.20 | lippel | nordle: search .kde/cache-foo (where foo is your hostname) |
| 18:49.38 | lippel | cache-foo/http i think |
| 18:50.01 | PhilRod | oh, duh, I did see those and didn't realise they were directories :-) |
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| 18:52.46 | Oleg_ | the /trunk path is for the latest snapshots? |
| 18:52.56 | Oleg_ | I am confused |
| 18:53.08 | Oleg_ | between tags, trunks, and whatever |
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| 18:55.20 | lippel | Oleg_: well, actually, i guess trunk is not what you want |
| 18:55.29 | lippel | it hardly compiles, and doesn't run at all |
| 18:55.40 | lippel | Oleg_: use branches/KDE/3.5 |
| 18:55.46 | Oleg_ | lippel: is it kde 4? |
| 18:55.50 | lippel | that is what will become KDE 3.5 |
| 18:55.59 | lippel | Oleg_: trunk is KDE4 |
| 18:56.02 | chmeee | did some google searches, but came up pretty empty... is there a way to block images from specific sites with konqueror? |
| 18:56.06 | lippel | in a very early state |
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| 18:57.04 | lippel | chmeee: there will be adblock in kde 3.5's konq |
| 18:57.34 | Oleg_ | well, I think it's fun to check out kde 4 even if it won't compile |
| 18:57.36 | chmeee | lippel: yeah, I saw that bit... can't wait for kde3.5, there are a few features I'm waiting for |
| 18:57.39 | Oleg_ | I am gonna get kde 4 |
| 18:58.01 | chmeee | lippel: will adblock allow context-menu image block ala mozilla? |
| 18:58.33 | Oleg_ | maybe after a couple of updates it will compile |
| 18:59.31 | lippel | chmeee: hmm, can't see such an option :-/ |
| 19:00.11 | chmeee | :/ |
| 19:00.33 | chmeee | it's pretty much the only thing I miss from the lizard |
| 19:02.12 | lippel | chmeee: ah, its there :) |
| 19:02.20 | lippel | i haven't had adblock enabled at all |
| 19:02.21 | chmeee | sweet :) |
| 19:02.30 | lippel | if you enable it, the context menu entry shows up |
| 19:02.37 | chmeee | cool |
| 19:03.04 | chmeee | now just waiting for kde3.5 to finish and appear in the freebsd ports tree (cleaner that way) |
| 19:03.24 | chmeee | the other big feature of 3.5 I'm waiting for is kmail's imap folder filtering |
| 19:04.11 | nordle | PhilRod, lippel, many thanks for the cache suggestions, I could only find stuff from today, I must have deleted it yesterday, oops. I'll remember for next time though, thanks! |
| 19:04.26 | crispynix | chmeee: 3.5beta1 is out and seems pretty stable (haven't tried kmail's imap stuff tho; all of my remote accounts are pop3) |
| 19:04.50 | chmeee | crispynix: yeah I know |
| 19:05.10 | chmeee | guess I could install it in my home, so that it doesn't conflict with freebsd's port system |
| 19:05.44 | chmeee | crispynix: I need imap4, because I access the same account from 4 different locations |
| 19:09.56 | Oleg_ | ok, there is no kde qt-copy for qt4? |
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| 19:10.10 | Oleg_ | I gotta download qt4 from trolltech? |
| 19:10.25 | micro | Hi |
| 19:11.00 | lippel | Oleg_: there is a qt-copy |
| 19:11.06 | Oleg_ | ok |
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| 19:12.01 | lippel | Oleg_: if you really want to try to build it, you should use branches/work/kdelibs4_snapshot instead of trunk/KDE/kdelibs |
| 19:12.26 | Oleg_ | ok |
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| 19:18.52 | annma | Oleg_: you're building kde4? |
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| 19:21.10 | bonzai10 | how stable is kde 3.5 beta 1?? |
| 19:21.26 | thothonegan | been really stable here |
| 19:21.41 | thothonegan | couple minor crashes with apps, but kde itself hasnt crashed at all |
| 19:22.28 | lippel | bonzai10: in my experience, konq is a bit buggy still (crashes), but apart from that, it works fine for me (using a current SVN checkout) |
| 19:22.28 | annma | bonzai10: it's real good |
| 19:22.38 | annma | no crashes here in konq |
| 19:25.29 | lippel | annma: try 113600 |
| 19:25.48 | annma | lol |
| 19:25.57 | annma | ;) I mean in my normal use |
| 19:26.08 | annma | of course I tested soe websites that makes it crash |
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| 19:26.38 | lippel | annma: well, i had that crash several times |
| 19:27.12 | bonzai10 | well it's good sign that KDE 3.5 final will be good version =) |
| 19:27.18 | lippel | annma: so i wonder if it crashes for you, too, if you say that konq is overall stable for you |
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| 19:30.02 | bonzai10 | how long do you astimate KDE 3.5 final will be relased? |
| 19:30.52 | PhilRod | a few weeks' time, maybe a month |
| 19:31.20 | pinotree | end of november |
| 19:31.47 | lippel | http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-release-plan.html |
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| 19:32.40 | PhilRod | ah, didn't realise the release plan went that far |
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| 19:36.45 | anisX | Happy Ramadhan to all muslim! |
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| 19:40.00 | Oleg_ | annma: yeah, I wanna build kde4 |
| 19:40.54 | Oleg_ | just for fun |
| 19:41.23 | Roey | hi |
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| 19:42.13 | micro | Hi |
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| 19:45.54 | Oleg_ | lippel: only kdelibs I should get from branches/work? |
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| 19:46.06 | Oleg_ | lippel: everything else I should get from /trunk? |
| 19:46.23 | lippel | Oleg_: afaik yes |
| 19:46.43 | lippel | i am new to the kde4 world as well though |
| 19:47.23 | Oleg_ | so the dir /home/trunk/KDE will be created? |
| 19:47.41 | Oleg_ | but I don't want it to be in my home directory |
| 19:47.58 | Oleg_ | because I don't have much space on the hard drive where my /home dir is |
| 19:48.21 | GarySaved | I am running Fedora FC4. Is there a paackage that I can request to get the most comman paackages needed to use KDE? |
| 19:48.23 | lippel | it doesn't mirror the absolute paths, dude. just do the checkout where you want it to be |
| 19:48.29 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 19:48.35 | Oleg_ | I just wanted to say that :) |
| 19:48.51 | Oleg_ | wanted to ask that |
| 19:49.03 | Roey | GarySaved: hi, interesting nick. |
| 19:49.16 | GarySaved | I got KDE-base, but is it missing alot of funnctionality, |
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| 19:49.34 | GarySaved | Thanks, Roey |
| 19:50.27 | JewtifulJoe | hello, what's the name of the package that adds the "download all links" button to Konqueror? |
| 19:50.32 | PhilRod | GarySaved: well, depends what apps you need. Something like kdebase, kdepim, kdemultimedia and kdenetwork will give you a good start. Oh, and kdegraphics |
| 19:50.49 | PhilRod | plus any other packages that contain particular apps taht you need |
| 19:50.56 | PhilRod | JewtifulJoe: probably kdeaddons |
| 19:50.56 | GarySaved | O.K. ... Thanks! |
| 19:51.03 | JewtifulJoe | PhilRod: ah that's right |
| 19:51.23 | GarySaved | Is there a way to get my setting from Gnome to KDE? |
| 19:51.38 | PhilRod | depends what settings you mean |
| 19:52.13 | GarySaved | For E-Mail, Browser links, and such. |
| 19:52.21 | Oleg_ | why doesn't it say how I get qt4 from svn? |
| 19:52.27 | Oleg_ | I mean the stable qt4 |
| 19:53.14 | Oleg_ | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/qt-copy ? |
| 19:53.47 | Roey | doh, it's not. |
| 19:53.51 | Roey | it's not kdeaddons. |
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| 20:14.50 | darkstego | hey all |
| 20:14.54 | darkstego | I have a problem |
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| 20:14.57 | Flendor | Evening. |
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| 20:15.44 | annma | darkstego: explain please |
| 20:15.46 | darkstego | when I start KDE, after the login screen all I get is konsole |
| 20:15.50 | darkstego | no splash screen |
| 20:15.54 | darkstego | no kicker |
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| 20:15.59 | darkstego | nothing |
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| 20:16.10 | annma | darkstego: how did you install KDE? |
| 20:16.10 | darkstego | it just pops up a konsole window |
| 20:16.21 | darkstego | it came with the distro |
| 20:16.24 | darkstego | mepis |
| 20:16.27 | darkstego | it was working fine |
| 20:17.02 | darkstego | the only change that could have effected this was changing the splash screen |
| 20:17.03 | darkstego | now I can't even get into KDE |
| 20:17.36 | Flendor | What version was the KDE? I remember breaking my KDE by installing a 3.3+ icon set when my KDE was 3.2 *blush* |
| 20:17.46 | darkstego | 3.3 |
| 20:18.25 | Flendor | Hmm |
| 20:18.43 | Flendor | I don't think there is any stuff that *needs* 3.4 right now.. |
| 20:19.07 | darkstego | can I disable the splash screen I added? |
| 20:19.18 | annma | try running kcontrol |
| 20:19.21 | Flendor | I was thinking of the same.. however, I don't have the answer. :/ |
| 20:19.23 | annma | Alt+F2 |
| 20:19.29 | annma | kcontrol |
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| 20:19.42 | Spamicles | how do i look in my trash bin in kde? it says trash:// open with what application |
| 20:19.43 | annma | does Alt+F2 bring you a command lien? |
| 20:19.43 | darkstego | ok |
| 20:19.44 | annma | lien |
| 20:19.45 | micro | strg alt f7 |
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| 20:19.47 | darkstego | will try it |
| 20:19.52 | annma | line |
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| 20:21.24 | yo2lux | hi |
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| 20:21.35 | darkstego | ok... machine froze up |
| 20:21.45 | darkstego | well |
| 20:22.00 | darkstego | one thing. kdm.log says fatal:module intel_agp is in use ??? |
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| 20:22.30 | micro | problem with your craphic card driver |
| 20:22.31 | annma | darkstego: you'dbetter ask mepis |
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| 20:30.39 | yo2lux | i have an Intel Pentium 3 530MHz, 512MB SDRAM. KDE3 want better hardware ? |
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| 20:33.44 | annma | yo2lux: should be OK |
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| 20:34.18 | yo2lux | annma thanks! |
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| 21:09.28 | BROKEN_LADDER | is there a way to get rid of my mouse arrow's drop shadow? |
| 21:09.30 | BROKEN_LADDER | i hate effects. |
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| 21:10.42 | DWDW | hi |
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| 21:25.49 | gac6 | hi |
| 21:26.36 | gac6 | is someone active here? |
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| 21:27.44 | annma | yes yes |
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| 21:30.38 | gac6 | did you already test 3.5 beta? |
| 21:30.48 | annma | yes I run 3.5 today |
| 21:31.04 | gac6 | Cool |
| 21:31.30 | gac6 | is it already worth to change or did you install it for test reasons? |
| 21:31.56 | gac6 | By the way you have been fast...;-) |
| 21:32.35 | annma | for development reason but it's good |
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| 21:35.36 | gac6 | Some one told me, that the development of gnome now seems to speed up more than of KDE. I'm used to KDE and never much followed the development of gnome. |
| 21:35.58 | gac6 | Did you got the same impression? |
| 21:36.02 | annma | well we are in freeze and we are building kde4 |
| 21:36.08 | annma | I don't know gnome at all |
| 21:36.31 | annma | looking by the number of commits we are before gnome |
| 21:37.12 | gac6 | What kind of commits your are speaking of? |
| 21:37.13 | annma | I guess they don't take so many new decisions as we do right now |
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| 21:37.37 | annma | all commits |
| 21:37.51 | annma | what kind of speed are you speaking of? |
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| 21:39.13 | gac6 | I think I mean also commitments |
| 21:39.28 | annma | we are about to release |
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| 21:40.49 | gac6 | what is the date for kde4 |
| 21:41.03 | annma | wooow, in at least 1 year |
| 21:41.08 | annma | kde$ is major changes |
| 21:41.12 | annma | $/4 |
| 21:41.43 | annma | changes in code design and changes in all areas as well |
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| 21:42.06 | gac6 | In the last month I started to use more Linux - installed SuSE 9.3 and Knoppix 4.0 |
| 21:42.24 | gac6 | I like the "optical" facelift |
| 21:42.51 | gac6 | I only know older Linux installation - with KDE 3.0 .... |
| 21:43.21 | gac6 | For me ... there was already big changes |
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| 21:45.42 | gac6 | I like the look and feel of 3.4 |
| 21:46.17 | gac6 | what is your rolle in the development ? |
| 21:46.27 | Oleg_ | hey, I still dunno how to get the qt-copy of qt4 |
| 21:46.32 | Oleg_ | is it in svn? |
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| 21:49.43 | Peaker | Ahh! someone requested my auth to add to contact list and now I get 2 dialogs of auth request, and whatever I do with 'em, kopete crashes :-( |
| 21:49.49 | Peaker | relogin, happens again :( |
| 21:50.18 | annma | Oleg_: it's in trunk/qt-copy |
| 21:50.28 | Oleg_ | thanks |
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| 21:52.21 | gac6 | Bye, bye |
| 21:52.34 | SAngeli | Anybody knows how to unpack a .skz file (it is a superkaramba liquid weather ++ file) |
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| 21:53.04 | frb | SAngeli: it's just a zip file |
| 21:53.48 | SAngeli | frb: so, what would the command be? I ask this because in konqueror, when I right click I do not get any arc option. |
| 21:54.17 | frb | SAngeli: in a konsole, make a directory, cd there, then unzip /path/to/foo.skz |
| 21:54.30 | frb | SAngeli: what version of karamba do you have anyway? |
| 21:54.39 | SAngeli | latest one |
| 21:54.45 | frb | what version is that? |
| 21:55.19 | SAngeli | I see. So I can use unzip. ver 0.37_rc2 |
| 21:55.39 | frb | ok, that should work |
| 21:55.56 | frb | I only have 0.35 (the Latest rpm for suse 9.3) and it didn't |
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| 21:56.28 | SAngeli | frb: it worked. tanks |
| 21:56.31 | SAngeli | thanks |
| 21:59.30 | frb | I kinda want karamba to act more like the dashboard |
| 21:59.41 | frb | I mean come on, who can really see their desktop anyway? |
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| 22:15.56 | Oleg_ | hi |
| 22:17.15 | annma | hi |
| 22:17.23 | annma | how is the build going? |
| 22:17.35 | Oleg_ | didn't start it yet |
| 22:17.41 | Oleg_ | will start it soon |
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| 22:18.35 | annma | follow the README.qt-copy for the configuwe line |
| 22:19.08 | Oleg_ | ok, thanks |
| 22:19.36 | annma | just build kdelibs and kdebase, the other modules probably will not build |
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| 22:21.21 | Benbread | I'm using konstruct to build KDE but it slips up on compiling QT, i get (one line of) the following output: kernel/qt_x11_p.h:73:23: error: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:21.32 | Benbread | How can i ammend this? :) |
| 22:21.41 | annma | you miss a X header |
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| 22:22.16 | annma | ask in your distro channel |
| 22:22.21 | Benbread | thanks :) |
| 22:22.31 | annma | found it: libxorg-x11-devel |
| 22:22.37 | annma | Mandriva is so cool |
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| 22:22.55 | annma | it belong to that package, Benbread |
| 22:23.01 | liquidat | Benbread: btw.: I would use kdesvn-build... |
| 22:23.08 | Benbread | excellent :D i tried tried xserver-devel but that didn't exist :P |
| 22:23.17 | annma | :) |
| 22:23.26 | annma | I suppose you have Xorg though |
| 22:23.44 | Benbread | annma: no such package (apt) |
| 22:23.49 | annma | apt! |
| 22:24.03 | annma | ask in #debian what is the xorg devel package, Benbread |
| 22:24.09 | Benbread | thanks :) |
| 22:24.14 | annma | the one I pasted ws from Mandriva |
| 22:24.27 | Benbread | I'm sure Debian has an RPM manager |
| 22:24.51 | annma | or look at the debian website, Benbread |
| 22:24.51 | Benbread | apt-get install rpm - heh :P |
| 22:24.56 | annma | lol |
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| 22:25.15 | pinotree | Benbread: apt is *much* powerful than rpm |
| 22:25.26 | annma | bah bah |
| 22:25.28 | annma | wrong! |
| 22:25.29 | liquidat | pinotree: Are you really sure that you know what you are talking about? |
| 22:25.36 | pinotree | yep |
| 22:25.37 | Benbread | pinotree: which is why i use it, but it's pure lazyness on my front today :P |
| 22:25.47 | liquidat | No, you don't know - apt is something different than rpm... |
| 22:25.53 | liquidat | There is no connection... |
| 22:26.01 | Benbread | apt (dpkg) seems much smarter |
| 22:26.20 | liquidat | dpkg is comparable to rpm, but not apt. |
| 22:26.31 | liquidat | There exists an apt implementation which is able to use rpm, too... |
| 22:26.35 | Benbread | does apt not run dpkg? |
| 22:26.42 | liquidat | So - don't try to compare cars with ferries. |
| 22:26.43 | pinotree | yep |
| 22:26.55 | liquidat | Benbread: Yes - at it can run rpm, too. |
| 22:26.59 | liquidat | apt4rpm. |
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| 22:27.24 | liquidat | But no one uses it because there are several other package managers in the rpm world, and apt never found its way. |
| 22:27.38 | liquidat | "no one" means: the large distributions :) |
| 22:27.42 | Benbread | I think i need coffee |
| 22:27.58 | Benbread | All this Gnome is driving me crazy |
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| 22:29.15 | Blissex | Benbread: the big fat slow GNOMEs are persecuting you? Have you talked with yout shrink about it? :-) |
| 22:29.35 | Benbread | Blissex: My fault for trying to use Testing distros :P |
| 22:29.50 | frb | better lock up you underwear |
| 22:29.54 | Benbread | Apparently debian don't have KDE .debs for Etch |
| 22:30.01 | Blissex | Benbread: have heard of ''bleeding edge'' :-) |
| 22:30.27 | Blissex | Benbread: 'testing' and Sid are not distros, they are random, incomplete, inconsistent collection of packages. |
| 22:30.48 | Blissex | Benbread: they start to look like, but are not, distros, towards the end of a Debian release cycle. |
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| 22:31.02 | pinotree | liquidat: apt and deb is more used that how you could imagine |
| 22:31.11 | Benbread | Blissex: Etch is Sarge + devel so it's quite stable |
| 22:31.17 | frb | I tried debian once |
| 22:31.30 | frb | I was actually a maintainer of a package for awhile |
| 22:31.32 | Blissex | Benbread: right now those package collections are undergoing a few complicated package transitions, and piecemeal too. |
| 22:31.34 | frb | it helped me get a job |
| 22:31.45 | bonzai10 | im using Ubuntu which is debian clone |
| 22:31.46 | jmg | Benbred: etch was synced to sid when sarge went stable |
| 22:31.49 | liquidat | pinotree: Please, read what I write: I talked about the usage of apt int the *rpm world* |
| 22:32.08 | jmg | bonzai10: ubuntu is debian derived. they sync to sid every 6 months |
| 22:32.18 | pinotree | liquidat: there was distro rpm-based with apt |
| 22:32.25 | pinotree | with the rpm-version of apt |
| 22:32.40 | liquidat | pinotree: Yes - but without deb. And like you said: there *was*. |
| 22:32.47 | Blissex | Conectiva used APT+RPM exclusively. Mandriva has the whole APT suite, including 'aptitude', as an option. There are vast APT repositories for SUSE... |
| 22:32.52 | liquidat | There are still smaller ones, but the larger ones dropped apt4rpm. |
| 22:33.15 | Benbread | And i was so proud of myself for getting my machine to dual boot Linux/Windows without a major explosion :P |
| 22:33.18 | liquidat | Blissex: RIght, the SUSE project tries to point out the advantage of apt. |
| 22:33.38 | Blissex | liquidat: not quite -- it is unofficial. |
| 22:33.56 | Blissex | liquidat: they have their own YAST2 dependency manager and YOU repositories. |
| 22:34.16 | liquidat | Sorry, I meant SUPER , not suse. :-) |
| 22:34.22 | liquidat | It was a mistake of the words :) |
| 22:34.28 | bonzai10 | right SUSE has his own package manager |
| 22:34.35 | liquidat | suse itself will stay with yast, I think. |
| 22:34.35 | Blissex | liquidat: note also that of all the dependency managers out there APT is the one with some annoyiing limitations. |
| 22:35.04 | Blissex | liquidat: but there are really numerous and large unofficial APT/SUSE repositories, and one can switch completely to APT if one wants. |
| 22:35.19 | liquidat | Blissex: I know. |
| 22:35.31 | liquidat | It was like that with Fedora until fedora 4 - their they dropped the support. |
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| 22:35.47 | liquidat | apt, or at least apt4rpm has some problems with 64bit support. |
| 22:35.55 | Blissex | but the APT support for SUSE was also totally unofficial... |
| 22:36.11 | bonzai10 | i have fedora 3 on 4 CD's but it failed to install GRUB into MBR |
| 22:36.24 | liquidat | Blissex: Yes, but Suse is now a community project, so it can change to a dual world. If the poeple wants it. |
| 22:36.27 | Blissex | liquidat: not quite, it has a much bigger problem than 64 bit support, it is one of those annoying limitatioons I was hinting at. |
| 22:36.41 | Blissex | liquidat: the problem with APT is that... |
| 22:36.50 | liquidat | I know the 64 thing best - which others do you mean? |
| 22:36.58 | liquidat | Blissex: Yes, I am listening :) |
| 22:37.03 | Blissex | liquidat: there is no problem with 64 bit support... |
| 22:37.38 | Blissex | liquidat: the problem is that APT does not support installing two packages with the same name but different versions or architectures. And it is difficult to imagine it will. |
| 22:38.01 | Blissex | liquidat: this impacts severaly AMD64 installs. |
| 22:38.14 | liquidat | THat's what I meant with my "64bit support" - but I wasn't able to describe it so good :) |
| 22:38.18 | Blissex | liquidat: because in nearly all cases people want a _mixed_ 64/32/bit install. |
| 22:38.23 | liquidat | Yes, sure. |
| 22:38.30 | liquidat | I followed the discussions :) |
| 22:39.04 | bonzai10 | we have to wait till all packages will be made on 64 bit arch =) |
| 22:39.10 | Blissex | liquidat: as to the different versions, Debian has long used one of the many utterly revolting workaround they use to workaround fuckups... |
| 22:39.12 | liquidat | "we"? |
| 22:39.29 | bonzai10 | users with 64 bit processors |
| 22:39.40 | Blissex | liquidat: the workaround is that many Debian packages have the version number embedded in the package name. |
| 22:40.05 | liquidat | Blissex: Ah...intereting, I thought it was only a problem of apt4rpm. |
| 22:40.32 | liquidat | I thought they continued the development of apt, and it wasn't ported to apt4rpm,. |
| 22:40.49 | Blissex | liquidat: one could use the same revolting hack to support 32/64 bits... like having libc6-2.3.5.amd64.deb and libc6b32-2.3.5.amd64.deb |
| 22:40.50 | liquidat | bonzai10: You are still free to use yum :-p |
| 22:41.24 | bonzai10 | question: can i install every 32 bit package on 64 bit cpu even graphic drivers and will it work? |
| 22:41.41 | liquidat | Blissex: Hm, nothing what I would like.... |
| 22:41.41 | Blissex | liquidat: or perhaps 'libc6-2.3.5.amd64.deb' and 'compat32-libc6-2.3.5.amd64.deb' which is more like how Fedpra/RedHat handle it. |
| 22:41.55 | Blissex | liquidat: oh both are awesomely ugly. |
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| 22:42.13 | Blissex | bonzai10: not the graphics drivers or anything kernel related. But applications, yes. With the right distro. |
| 22:42.15 | liquidat | Blissex: I thought that yum is able to handle this! |
| 22:42.33 | liquidat | I mean, they officially kicked apt because yum don't need this I thought... |
| 22:42.37 | Blissex | liquidat: Yum can handle it, but the RedHat people don't know it :-). |
| 22:42.44 | liquidat | Blissex: Why? |
| 22:42.51 | Blissex | liquidat: historical reasons... |
| 22:43.16 | Blissex | liquidat: the computer world is a messy place, and distros are a leading edge aspect of our world :-) |
| 22:43.18 | liquidat | Blissex: So - what would you prefer? :) |
| 22:43.22 | bonzai10 | why not drivers? ad says (i know its ad :)) it will fully support all 32 bit apps |
| 22:43.34 | Blissex | bonzai10: a driver is not an app... |
| 22:43.55 | Blissex | bonzai10: you cannot really put a 32 bit driver inside a 64 bit kernel. |
| 22:44.13 | Blissex | bonzai10: well, one _could_, but it would take a lot of unnecessary effort. |
| 22:44.14 | Benbread | Yay, found it :) |
| 22:44.32 | bonzai10 | then games will have to be made for 64bit cpu's too |
| 22:44.55 | Blissex | bonzai10: some already are... I think the Unreal engine based one can already be found in 64 bit versions. |
| 22:45.27 | Blissex | bonzai10: and there are some fairly decent open source games too. Like FlightGear, and a few others. |
| 22:46.05 | bonzai10 | some... unfortunetly not everybody has 64 bit cpu and 64bit apps are not developing as fast as 32 bit :( |
| 22:46.06 | liquidat | Blissex: Which package manager is capable to manage all these things right? |
| 22:46.53 | Blissex | bonzai10: but 64 bit is happening pretty fast, at least in the Linux world. |
| 22:47.28 | Blissex | liquidat: well, none is really that good. Note also that you are talking dependency managers (Yum, APT) not package managers (RPM, DPKG)... |
| 22:47.38 | Blissex | liquidat: but I think that Yum is mostly reasonable. |
| 22:47.54 | bonzai10 | well right but it will take some time untill every app will be in 64bit |
| 22:47.56 | liquidat | Blissex: Ah ok, dependency managers... |
| 22:48.24 | liquidat | That reminds me of a discussion we had at the german wikipedia - how to name the article about the principles of apt, yum, ... |
| 22:48.26 | Blissex | liquidat: I haven't tried a lot some of the alternatives like YOU from SUSE or SmartPM or the Slackware one like 'swaret' |
| 22:48.42 | Blissex | liquidat: hehehe. |
| 22:49.37 | liquidat | Well, I am only familiar with yum, apt, urpmi and you. But I never had a 64bit machine to play with so I do not know how they behave under these circumstances. |
| 22:50.00 | liquidat | I just followed the discussion (there were lot of them) when all the repos around fedora dropped apt support... |
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| 22:50.51 | bonzai10 | where can i get yum? or see screenshots? |
| 22:51.31 | gnoob | hey all. If I don't have a monitor on a computer but i can SSH in, is there a way i can activate KDE's VNC and then connect and have a VNC KDE session on this PC? |
| 22:51.57 | thiago | gnoob: use NX |
| 22:52.32 | gnoob | bonzai10, you are looking for a screen shot of a program? Sometimes if i need a screenshot of a program i use Googles image search. |
| 22:52.39 | gnoob | thiago, what's NX |
| 22:52.52 | thiago | the program you want |
| 22:52.56 | bonzai10 | gnoob: i used... |
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| 22:53.37 | liquidat | bonzai10: yum is command line. |
| 22:53.48 | liquidat | And at this time its only fedora which uses it. |
| 22:54.12 | gnoob | thiago, i need a free solution. |
| 22:54.13 | liquidat | But if oyu search some e-mail-lists you would find lots of discussion about why yum is better than apt or apt is better than yum |
| 22:54.20 | thiago | gnoob: NX |
| 22:54.33 | gnoob | hmm |
| 22:55.07 | thiago | how fast is your connection to the destination box? |
| 22:55.09 | thiago | LAN? |
| 22:55.42 | Benbread | Got x11-dev :) (using apt-get as it happens ;)) |
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| 22:55.54 | Benbread | 'libx11-dev' |
| 22:55.57 | gnoob | it's on my local lan. 100 mega bits. |
| 22:56.27 | thiago | gnoob: then use plain X |
| 22:56.36 | gnoob | i was thinking kde already has some desktop sharing software. |
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| 22:56.55 | thothonegan | kremotedesktop : uses VNC / RDP though |
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| 22:57.02 | Blissex | bonzai10: Yum isa Python application... |
| 22:57.07 | thothonegan | *krdc |
| 22:57.08 | Benbread | It's kernel compile time soon (for some reason on my other machine it doesn't like my compiled kernels (crappy hardware :P)) |
| 22:57.11 | gnoob | thiago, ok, use X. Could you direct me a bit more? |
| 22:57.24 | thiago | gnoob: simply use your own X server |
| 22:57.34 | thiago | gnoob: load X on your machine and ssh in to the destination one |
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| 22:57.40 | thiago | you'll be able to run remote programs from there |
| 22:58.00 | gnoob | thiago, ah, one hitch is that this machine is a windows box. I am connecting it to a Linux Box. |
| 22:58.10 | thiago | gnoob: the answer is still the same |
| 22:58.16 | thiago | gnoob: fire up an X server on your windows box |
| 22:58.19 | thiago | or use NX |
| 22:58.32 | gnoob | thiago, how will i fire up X on my windows box? |
| 22:58.45 | thiago | gnoob: find the installed X server, run the program. |
| 22:58.47 | gnoob | thothonegan, i had someone try to help me a bit setting that up but i could not connect. |
| 22:58.57 | thothonegan | you in a chroot? |
| 22:59.04 | thothonegan | oh wait |
| 22:59.05 | thothonegan | wrong chan |
| 22:59.21 | thothonegan | need a vnc server on one side : other just connects |
| 22:59.38 | thiago | or an NX server and an NX client, which work better than VNC |
| 22:59.44 | thiago | for the server, you can use FreeNX |
| 22:59.51 | thiago | for the client, use the one from NoMachine |
| 22:59.54 | chrisag | Can NX do unix-windows without an X server? |
| 23:00.03 | thiago | chrisag: NX Client installs an X server |
| 23:00.10 | Blissex | chrisag: with an easel and a brush it can :-) |
| 23:00.21 | chrisag | haha |
| 23:00.26 | chrisag | Was just curious |
| 23:00.27 | gnoob | thiago, i am still a bit puzzled on the x server and windows. |
| 23:00.45 | chrisag | because without emulation I was wondering if we'll ever connect windows-kde etc |
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| 23:00.55 | thiago | you need an X server on your Windows. If you install the NXClient from www.nomachine.com, you'll get it. |
| 23:00.59 | thothonegan | use xming w/putty (X over SSH) |
| 23:01.12 | gnoob | ah, ok. So that's easy enough then. |
| 23:01.16 | thiago | you will need an NX Server on your Linux, which can be one from NoMachine or FreeNX |
| 23:01.22 | gnoob | I should download the NXclient. |
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| 23:01.43 | Benbread | Yay, soon i'll be able to see how KDE should be running (not on a Pentium 3 450mhz :P) |
| 23:01.54 | chrisag | damn talk about old school :x |
| 23:01.57 | thothonegan | lol : sounds like what i was running it on before |
| 23:02.01 | bhavaraga | anyone know why kaudiocreator (3.5-beta1) no longer generates playlists? It's now very much a worthless app. |
| 23:03.51 | Benbread | interesting QT's qpngio.cpp has just generated about 50 errors |
| 23:03.53 | chrisag | oh cool knx does do windows! |
| 23:04.44 | Benbread | but i know why :) |
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| 23:34.45 | SbCl3 | are there any plans to allow konqueror tabs to be rearranged? |
| 23:34.55 | SbCl3 | (in upcoming versions of kde) |
| 23:34.59 | SbCl3 | or can konq do that now? |
| 23:35.08 | thothonegan | SbCl3: its on the menus |
| 23:35.17 | thothonegan | window -> move tab (direction) |
| 23:35.33 | thothonegan | just doesnt have the fancy middle mouse way :( |
| 23:35.48 | SbCl3 | :( |
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| 23:36.34 | SbCl3 | huh? |
| 23:37.12 | devo | a friend of mine is having problems with kppp not showing an active "connect" |
| 23:37.19 | devo | any suggestions |
| 23:37.26 | Jason-Bourne | whoa people still use kppp |
| 23:37.38 | devo | yes, some of us. including me. |
| 23:37.40 | devo | :) |
| 23:37.43 | Jason-Bourne | heh |
| 23:37.54 | Jason-Bourne | i haven't used kppp since back in NAM(tm) |
| 23:38.21 | DaSkreech | (k)ubuntu needs to be friendlier to Dial up people |
| 23:38.25 | DaSkreech | It's terrible now |
| 23:38.59 | devo | well, i got cheap and went back to dialup. unfortunately my friend is a little old lady and she lives 1500 miles away from me. so I'm looking for some tips before diving in over the phone. |
| 23:39.32 | devo | I have some ideas but if someone has had the problem before, thought that might be the better way to go. |
| 23:40.05 | devo | Am wondering if one of her config files got munged in particular. |
| 23:40.51 | chrisag | Anyone know of a onenote like program for linux? |
| 23:40.53 | devo | DaSkreech: I think all the distros could use work there. |
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| 23:41.04 | devo | In my experience. |
| 23:41.55 | devo | Well, thought I'd ask around anyhow. Thanks! |
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| 23:43.04 | Benbread | I sure hope i don't have to compile QT again |
| 23:43.45 | Benbread | after 4 failed compiles, 3 additional dependances that it kindly didn't tell me about and some serious hair pulling it's nearly done |
| 23:43.54 | Benbread | AHHHHHHHH |
| 23:44.04 | chrisag | you should never have to start a compile from square one. |
| 23:44.15 | chrisag | it *should* start from where it needs to |
| 23:54.03 | Benbread | Ok, now i have libjpeg-dev, lets see if it gets any further this time |
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| 23:54.59 | annma | Benbread: yes, that's the joys of self-building |
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| 23:55.10 | birchoff | why is it when I drag any window in kde over another you see a window trail.... until I stop dragging the window |
| 23:55.15 | birchoff | is there anyway to prevent this |
| 23:55.27 | annma | in KControl |
| 23:55.37 | annma | window behaviour I think |
| 23:55.53 | Benbread | annma: the KDE stuff is going fine, just not QT |
| 23:55.54 | annma | look what it behaviour it has when you move a window |
| 23:56.00 | annma | Qt? |
| 23:56.09 | annma | Benbread: how come? |
| 23:56.49 | Benbread | Because it gets through ./configure with no errors then starts compiling and errors at stuff (like no png libs) that it should have told me about before it started |
| 23:57.10 | annma | well not really |
| 23:57.12 | chrisag | autotools don't pick up everything |
| 23:57.17 | annma | it cannot check for it all |
| 23:57.24 | annma | it's just impossible |
| 23:57.25 | Benbread | so to make Qt happy i've also installed: libx11-devel, libpng, libpng-dev, zlib and libjpeg-dev |
| 23:57.38 | annma | yes and you'll probably need more |
| 23:57.47 | annma | it's nt really qt |
| 23:57.54 | annma | as qt compiled |
| 23:58.11 | Benbread | annma: i've seen other programs complain about png and jpeg libs at config time |
| 23:58.27 | annma | Benbread: when installing your linux you should have used to install development packages |
| 23:58.55 | annma | should have installed |
| 23:59.02 | Benbread | Oh i know :S |