| 00:00.03 | annma | type kde:kapplication |
| 00:00.59 | annma | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKApplication.html#a3 |
| 00:01.51 | annma | in kde we code 3 lines for restoring session using KApplication.isRestored() |
| 00:01.56 | annma | in kde we code 3 lines for restoring session using KApplication::isRestored() |
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| 00:02.20 | annma | but that works for KDE apps built on kdelibs |
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| 00:03.39 | Zaki | annma, is it possible to use firefox inside of konqueror? |
| 00:03.45 | annma | oh man |
| 00:03.45 | annma | no |
| 00:03.52 | Zaki | annma, lol |
| 00:03.53 | annma | konqueror IS a web browser |
| 00:04.01 | annma | firefox is one as well |
| 00:04.10 | annma | would you put a car inside a car? |
| 00:04.24 | Zaki | annma, the problem is that konqueror doesn't always work well |
| 00:04.31 | annma | oh come on |
| 00:04.44 | annma | then use firefox when konq doe snot work |
| 00:05.01 | annma | but frankly I don't find many sites that don't work for me |
| 00:05.12 | Zaki | annma, i'm sorry but konqueror was better than netscape (before mozilla at that time) and i was happy with it |
| 00:05.27 | Zaki | annma, but now konqueror has become behind |
| 00:05.34 | annma | well then don['t use itr |
| 00:05.43 | annma | nobody forces you to use it |
| 00:05.54 | canllaith | Then why did ex mozilla hacker tell apple they should use KHTML rather than geko for their browser? :) |
| 00:05.57 | canllaith | if konqi is so behind |
| 00:06.07 | Zaki | annma, well konqueror's session support in kde is excellent though |
| 00:06.09 | annma | why did Apple took khtml code? |
| 00:06.26 | frb-work | becasue it was cleaner and faster than mozilla? |
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| 00:06.27 | annma | Zaki: I already explained you that kde progs are well fitted in kde desktop |
| 00:06.43 | Zaki | canllaith, very interesting, thanks for this info |
| 00:06.58 | Zaki | annma, yeah i understand that of course |
| 00:07.00 | annma | the other apps like epiphany or firefox are not belonged to KDE |
| 00:07.09 | annma | thus they restore less |
| 00:07.17 | annma | and are slow and mem eating |
| 00:07.31 | Zaki | annma, but you asked me why use konqueror |
| 00:07.40 | annma | konq is not perfect nor is firefox or IE6 |
| 00:08.00 | annma | at least you won't get spyware in konq |
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| 00:09.58 | Zaki | annma, ok i'll consider using konqueror more |
| 00:10.14 | annma | you are free and you have choice |
| 00:10.23 | annma | which are advantages of free software |
| 00:10.33 | Zaki | annma, probably the best solution is to report anything that i see not working well in konq |
| 00:10.43 | annma | reporting is not enough |
| 00:10.45 | Zaki | sure |
| 00:10.51 | annma | doing test cases is the best |
| 00:10.56 | Zaki | annma, ok i mean that will be the first action |
| 00:11.02 | Zaki | annma, i may even fix it if i can |
| 00:11.15 | annma | if a webpage does not work, first narrow the code that does not work to a few lines -> test case |
| 00:11.16 | Zaki | or when i can |
| 00:11.26 | Zaki | annma, ok |
| 00:11.30 | annma | ask also here about new konq versions |
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| 00:11.39 | annma | like me, I have konqueror from today |
| 00:11.45 | Zaki | annma, well i'm using RHEL 4 |
| 00:12.00 | annma | I have konqueror 3.5, Zaki |
| 00:12.10 | annma | that means the next version which is not out yet |
| 00:12.26 | annma | I can test to see if your bug is or not fixed |
| 00:12.31 | annma | and help making a test case |
| 00:12.32 | Zaki | RHEL4 has currently Konq 3.3.1-5.5 |
| 00:12.36 | annma | lol |
| 00:12.41 | annma | old |
| 00:12.51 | Zaki | annma, yeah but stable |
| 00:12.53 | annma | 3.5 is out in a month or so |
| 00:13.12 | annma | Zaki: the point here is to see wether the bug has been crushed |
| 00:13.23 | canllaith | Zaki: one annoying situation is that many people have the belief that konqi is less capable |
| 00:13.38 | annma | if you have a website now that breaks, please paste the url |
| 00:13.39 | canllaith | and sometimes on detecting konqi useragent, they'll serve up a broken page |
| 00:14.00 | canllaith | Installing kdeaddons so you can change the useragent to firefox or IE actually works a great deal in a lot of cases. |
| 00:14.00 | Zaki | canllaith, oh i c |
| 00:14.11 | Zaki | canllaith, cool idea |
| 00:14.33 | annma | yes, that fixes things on some idiot pages |
| 00:14.42 | canllaith | Especially banking websites, often changing to IE makes them work better :S |
| 00:14.51 | annma | sad but true |
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| 00:15.55 | Zaki | canllaith, you mean konquerror configuration-> browser identification? |
| 00:16.50 | canllaith | I don't have kdeaddons installed so I'm not sure. IIRC there is a menu item. |
| 00:17.14 | Zaki | ok |
| 00:17.16 | Zaki | thanks alot |
| 00:17.32 | Zaki | i'll learn more about KHTML and everything |
| 00:17.36 | Zaki | i have to run now |
| 00:17.39 | Zaki | see ya +) |
| 00:17.41 | Zaki | =) |
| 00:17.43 | canllaith | Cya :) |
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| 00:42.48 | Oleg_ | the beta1 was tagged, but wasn't released? |
| 00:45.09 | canllaith | Oleg_: What do you mean ? |
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| 00:46.16 | Oleg_ | oh, maybe I don't know the meaning of the word tag |
| 00:46.30 | Oleg_ | ok, the beta1 is available for downloading? |
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| 00:46.45 | canllaith | Oleg_: yes |
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| 00:47.53 | Oleg_ | Alpha1 works great so far |
| 00:48.03 | Oleg_ | better than kde 3.4.0 |
| 00:48.45 | emRick | how can I get the mouse position from the command line? |
| 00:54.11 | Oleg_ | trying to find my favorite Italian 80s songs on the net |
| 00:54.54 | annma | the mouse position? |
| 00:56.18 | emRick | if the mouse is 100 pixels from the left and 300 pixels from the top, then I want to get the value (100, 300) |
| 00:56.42 | emRick | annma: that is, from the top-left corner of the screen |
| 00:57.00 | annma | in any app? |
| 00:57.38 | emRick | I am writing Python code so a Python module would be nice. if no, then some command-line function could be parsed by Python. |
| 00:57.58 | annma | mouse is X stuff |
| 00:58.38 | annma | if you have said in kde code I would have said ok |
| 00:59.42 | emRick | ah, the #python people have just given me a clue ... Python has an xlib wrapper |
| 01:00.18 | annma | :) |
| 01:01.02 | emRick | I'm a fishin' with several fishin' poles |
| 01:01.17 | emRick | just anything to jog my brain is good |
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| 01:17.47 | Hydrogen | whats the kde scanning program? |
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| 01:21.12 | emRick | kooka I think |
| 01:21.23 | emRick | Hydrogen: kooka I think |
| 01:21.31 | emRick | Hydrogen: yep, KDE Scan & OCR Program |
| 01:21.32 | Hydrogen | thanks |
| 01:24.24 | SpeS | hi |
| 01:24.31 | SpeS | newbe question: what's the trick to "synchronize" the values of a QLineEdit and a KGradientSelector without an infinite loop, etc? |
| 01:24.50 | annma | coding question? |
| 01:24.52 | SpeS | the values are not "exact" |
| 01:25.06 | annma | what values for example/ |
| 01:25.22 | SpeS | the kgradient is from 0 to 100 (percentage) |
| 01:25.32 | SpeS | and the qlineedit has the number of the % |
| 01:25.50 | SpeS | I can get that in one direction, but not both at the same time |
| 01:25.52 | annma | so what is your problem? |
| 01:26.11 | annma | tell me more on what the widgets do |
| 01:26.12 | SpeS | because the values of the % are not exact, and I enter a loop between them both |
| 01:26.43 | SpeS | well, in fact there are 2 Qlineedit |
| 01:26.45 | annma | the user choose a color in KGradientSelector |
| 01:26.52 | annma | what next? |
| 01:27.14 | SpeS | annma I'm using the gradient just to choose/show a porcentage |
| 01:27.35 | annma | so what the qlineeedit doing? |
| 01:27.46 | SpeS | I have: "red" number of x, "blue" number of x (so a total of 2x) |
| 01:28.03 | SpeS | and the Kgradient shows the % of reds/blue |
| 01:28.18 | annma | how are red and blue choosen? |
| 01:28.21 | SpeS | you can enter the amount of red x in one qlineedit |
| 01:28.41 | SpeS | I want to be able to choose them from the kgradient, or from the qlineedit |
| 01:28.45 | annma | and it's not between 0 and 100? |
| 01:28.56 | annma | what is x? |
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| 01:29.23 | SpeS | x is anything, in my example it's "soldiers" |
| 01:29.31 | SpeS | just "units" |
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| 01:29.53 | annma | red then |
| 01:29.57 | annma | the number |
| 01:30.15 | SpeS | If I enter 10 in the red qlinedit, the total is 10, so the kgradiert should go to 100% (all are red) |
| 01:30.21 | annma | do you want the qlineedits synch woth the kgradient selector? |
| 01:30.42 | annma | 10 -> 100% |
| 01:30.44 | SpeS | then If I enter 90 in the blue qlinedit, the total is 100, and the kgradient should go to the 10%... |
| 01:30.59 | annma | ok so that's only calculations |
| 01:31.06 | annma | what is the problem? |
| 01:31.14 | SpeS | I'm quite new with Q and K... |
| 01:31.39 | SpeS | I can't get them in sync |
| 01:31.49 | annma | you get the qlineedit values first? |
| 01:31.50 | SpeS | I enter a loop |
| 01:32.03 | annma | tell me what action is first? |
| 01:32.09 | annma | what doe sthe user do |
| 01:32.17 | SpeS | I want to be able to enter the values either in the qlineedit or in the kgradient |
| 01:32.25 | SpeS | is that possible? |
| 01:32.27 | annma | so |
| 01:32.43 | annma | if the qlineedit have 60 and 60 for example |
| 01:32.49 | annma | that cannot be oK? |
| 01:33.15 | SpeS | yes, the total is 120 |
| 01:33.20 | SpeS | so the % is 50% |
| 01:33.26 | SpeS | the kgradient should point 50% |
| 01:33.44 | annma | ok so yu can devise a math formula for that? |
| 01:33.51 | SpeS | I have the formula |
| 01:34.01 | SpeS | But I can't make them wotk at the same time |
| 01:34.04 | annma | good sothat way is OK |
| 01:34.12 | annma | now the other way |
| 01:34.13 | SpeS | tropasRoj = int( totalTropas*(porcentaje/100.0) ); |
| 01:34.48 | annma | so tropasRoj is kgradientSelector % |
| 01:34.50 | SpeS | I have the code to enter the gradient value, and change the qlineedit values |
| 01:34.52 | SpeS | that works |
| 01:35.07 | annma | so it all works? |
| 01:35.13 | SpeS | but when I add the code to enter the values in the qlineedits and change the kgradient... :( |
| 01:36.00 | annma | it seems a little tricky |
| 01:36.13 | annma | about the signals |
| 01:36.19 | annma | from the QLIneEdit |
| 01:36.25 | SpeS | where can I paste some lines? (only about 20) |
| 01:36.30 | annma | something like sliders would be easier |
| 01:36.50 | annma | what signal do you use on the lineedit? |
| 01:37.17 | SpeS | textChanged |
| 01:37.52 | annma | hmm |
| 01:37.57 | annma | not convenient |
| 01:38.13 | annma | the user will enter 10 but at 1 the signal will be emitted |
| 01:38.21 | annma | then at 10 |
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| 01:38.31 | annma | that for each qlineeedit |
| 01:38.35 | lioux | anyone here knowledgeable with ktrm? for both amarok and juk? |
| 01:38.36 | SpeS | returnPressed then? |
| 01:38.58 | lioux | I am trying to get it working against the latest libtunepimp 0.4.0-pre5. I got it to compile but I can't get any results from musicbrainz |
| 01:39.02 | SpeS | annma well, I don't mind if each number the kgradient changes, it may look more "dinamyc", it's ok |
| 01:39.06 | annma | SpeS: I would use sliders |
| 01:39.09 | lioux | sample patch at http://people.FreeBSD.org/~lioux/amarok.tgz |
| 01:39.21 | annma | what defaults do you start with? |
| 01:39.45 | lioux | ftp://ftp.musicbrainz.org/pub/musicbrainz/picard/libtunepimp-0.4.0-pre5.tar.gz |
| 01:39.48 | SpeS | annma perhaps it's the best, I choose the kgraident because of the colors... |
| 01:40.00 | annma | yes |
| 01:40.10 | annma | your widgets don't make much sense |
| 01:40.20 | annma | you need to think about what the user would do |
| 01:40.39 | annma | lioux: ask in #amarok for a start |
| 01:40.51 | lioux | :) going now |
| 01:41.04 | SpeS | ok, I'll try, thanks annma |
| 01:41.59 | annma | is it a config dialog, SpeS ? |
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| 01:44.41 | SpeS | annma no.. |
| 01:44.55 | annma | so it's in a window |
| 01:44.57 | SpeS | annma it's just some input request |
| 01:45.08 | SpeS | annma yes, in a Qtabwidget |
| 01:45.13 | annma | 2 input ways for 1 request |
| 01:45.31 | SpeS | annma yes... it's not "necessary", but I liked the idea |
| 01:45.34 | annma | it's a bit like the color picker |
| 01:45.57 | annma | the color chooser? where you can choose the color directly or enter the RGB values? |
| 01:46.01 | SpeS | of being able to enter the reds and blues with numbers, and/or redistributing them with the slider/kgradient |
| 01:46.12 | annma | yes, like color chooser |
| 01:46.24 | SpeS | yes, but instead of a color, I use it for just the number (%) |
| 01:47.06 | SpeS | perhaps I'm just too weird thinking these things.. xD |
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| 01:48.23 | annma | no, no |
| 01:49.14 | annma | do you have KDEGraphics package? |
| 01:49.34 | SpeS | I don't know.. |
| 01:49.44 | annma | in K menu, Graphics -> More -> KColorCHooser |
| 01:49.47 | SpeS | I see the tab Graphics (KDE) in Kdevelop |
| 01:49.55 | annma | not in kdevelop |
| 01:49.58 | annma | in the K menu |
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| 01:50.21 | annma | the widgets are not QLineEdit but QSpinBoxes |
| 01:50.26 | SpeS | no, I don't see it |
| 01:50.44 | annma | 3 spinboxes |
| 01:50.49 | annma | and a color widget |
| 01:51.06 | annma | either you change a value in a spinbox and the color widget moves |
| 01:51.16 | SpeS | aha I see, is it like Gimp color chooser? you can enter a color in many ways, and they're linked |
| 01:51.18 | annma | or you choose a color and the spinboxes change |
| 01:51.21 | SpeS | must be something like that |
| 01:51.23 | annma | yes |
| 01:51.36 | annma | is that something like that that you want? |
| 01:51.37 | SpeS | that's it |
| 01:51.53 | annma | spinboxes are easier to work with |
| 01:52.07 | SpeS | it's like I have qlinedit for Red/Green/Blue, AND a gradient |
| 01:52.11 | SpeS | and they must be linked |
| 01:52.19 | SpeS | aha |
| 01:52.22 | annma | yes but QLineEdit are annoying |
| 01:52.38 | annma | QSpinBoxes are easier to control in that case |
| 01:52.50 | Zoroxeus | anyone knows a good theme for KDE ? |
| 01:52.50 | annma | but that's just an idea |
| 01:53.10 | SpeS | I'll try |
| 01:53.11 | annma | if you want to paste the code that fails use a pastebin |
| 01:53.23 | annma | I understand what you are doing |
| 01:53.31 | SpeS | where's one? If you want to see it |
| 01:54.21 | annma | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 01:54.37 | annma | go there, past eyour code, it'll give yu an url |
| 01:55.12 | SpeS | ok... |
| 01:55.30 | SpeS | but don't laught at it! ;) |
| 01:55.50 | annma | no, not at all |
| 01:55.57 | annma | I was a beginner once as well |
| 01:56.30 | frb-work | anyway, I know I've asked before... Is there a way to share bookmarks between Fx and Konq? |
| 01:56.43 | SpeS | annma http://pastebin.com/369591 |
| 01:57.03 | annma | frb-work: you mean use them synch? |
| 01:57.09 | frb-work | yes |
| 01:57.12 | SpeS | annma If you think something is wrong, tell me.. |
| 01:58.22 | annma | so what does not work? |
| 01:58.27 | annma | it looks fine |
| 01:58.28 | SpeS | those are the two functions they call to modify each other (the qlineedit and the kgradient) |
| 01:58.32 | annma | these are your 2 slorts |
| 01:58.38 | annma | slots |
| 01:58.46 | SpeS | annma the % is not exactly the same, so they enter a loop |
| 01:59.09 | SpeS | at the end I have 0 units!! because of the roundings... |
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| 01:59.29 | annma | ah |
| 01:59.37 | annma | what vars should be the same? |
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| 02:00.10 | SpeS | The first one works ok without the second one |
| 02:00.21 | SpeS | but then when I enter a number, the gradient doesn't move |
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| 02:00.51 | annma | a number in either qlineedit? |
| 02:01.00 | SpeS | yes |
| 02:01.24 | SpeS | without the second slot I mean |
| 02:01.31 | aseigo | SpeS: the one calls the other which calls the first? |
| 02:01.40 | SpeS | with all that code it just doesn't work |
| 02:01.51 | SpeS | aseigo right, that's it |
| 02:01.56 | aseigo | ok, here's the easy fix ;) |
| 02:02.08 | SpeS | aseigo I've think to calculate an abs value of the difference... |
| 02:02.10 | aseigo | in both slots check to see if the percent is == to the current value |
| 02:02.15 | aseigo | and if so, then just return |
| 02:02.21 | SpeS | but I see too "artificial" (?) |
| 02:02.31 | aseigo | void RisK::cambiaPorcentajeTropas(int porcentaje) |
| 02:02.32 | aseigo | { |
| 02:03.00 | SpeS | aseigo but with the % I calculate the values aren't even the same! |
| 02:03.03 | annma | :) ok, I go to bed, I think you are fine SpeS :) |
| 02:03.08 | aseigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.19 | SpeS | so I end withn more/less units at the end of the loop... |
| 02:03.52 | SpeS | annma thanks :) |
| 02:03.56 | annma | bye all |
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| 02:04.35 | SpeS | aseigo so I need a static var with the porcentaje value? |
| 02:04.46 | aseigo | SpeS: nah .. you can calculate it in that method... h |
| 02:05.19 | SpeS | aseigo but in the second slot (here http://pastebin.com/369591), the value calculated is not the same than in the first... |
| 02:05.29 | aseigo | if tropasRojas->text()).toInt() == totalTropas*(porcentaje/100.0) then it's the same, right? |
| 02:05.32 | SpeS | well, it *can* be different |
| 02:05.55 | SpeS | aha, yes |
| 02:06.11 | SpeS | good, I'll try it, thanks! :) |
| 02:06.15 | aseigo | np =) |
| 02:06.49 | SpeS | BTW aseigo I'm a kind of "fan" yours... *^_^* |
| 02:07.13 | aseigo | heh .. thanks =) i'm just having fun, as i hope everyone else is =) |
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| 02:07.59 | SpeS | sure, I'll enjoy making plasmoids :) |
| 02:11.07 | Roey | aseigo: more fans ;) |
| 02:11.17 | Roey | aseigo: see? you accrue charisma.. |
| 02:12.23 | aseigo | FilthyMonkey: it's all part of my ploy to rid the world of gummy bears |
| 02:12.39 | ryanoe | I got a question, what are the differences between the Intel Pentium 4 Processor 630 with HT Technology / P4HT 3GHz - OR THE - Intel Pentium D Processor 830 / P4HT 3.0 GHz? |
| 02:13.31 | aseigo | though that's an answer straight out of my ass |
| 02:13.55 | Roey | aseigo: we'll see Gummy Bear prospects skyrocket |
| 02:13.57 | Roey | I'll be rich! |
| 02:14.04 | chavo | I believe the D is Dual core |
| 02:14.13 | chavo | so more cache is right |
| 02:14.18 | aseigo | huzzah |
| 02:14.24 | chavo | it's cachex2 |
| 02:14.25 | aseigo | with extra core to boot |
| 02:14.31 | chavo | yup |
| 02:14.38 | canllaith | hrm |
| 02:14.48 | canllaith | KDE startup seems noticibly faster |
| 02:15.05 | canllaith | aseigo: am I imagining things? Or is this the case? |
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| 02:15.31 | chavo | canllaith, I think I'm imagining the same thing. |
| 02:15.37 | ryanoe | So you want the DUAL core right? |
| 02:15.40 | aseigo | canllaith: could be ... |
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| 02:18.41 | canllaith | It really seems snappy to startup, and I'm on a 900MHz here |
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| 02:26.40 | Oleg_ | mplayer "Il tempo se ne va.mp3" -speed 0.84 |
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| 02:47.26 | bssteph | is there any way to disable some websites from hijacking the scrollbar coloring in konq |
| 02:47.29 | bssteph | +? |
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| 02:49.01 | Zoroxeus | still not sure how to install a ktheme file ? :S |
| 02:51.43 | thiago | bssteph: yep |
| 02:52.01 | thiago | bssteph: write a custom stylesheet for Konqueror with "! important" for the scrollbar colouring |
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| 02:53.12 | bssteph | thiago: okay cool. do the custom sheets override what the site provides or are they combined? i've never tried |
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| 02:53.33 | Zoroxeus | ktheme file ? anyone ? |
| 02:54.35 | aseigo | Zoroxeus: no longer supported in kde newer than 3.something .. 3.2 i think? |
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| 02:54.42 | thiago | bssteph: no, they don't |
| 02:54.53 | thiago | bssteph: unless you specify the item as "! important" |
| 02:54.59 | Zoroxeus | crap ! |
| 02:55.38 | bssteph | thiago, okay, thanks. i'll play around with it |
| 02:55.52 | Zoroxeus | so there are not that many theme for 3.2 ... :S |
| 02:55.57 | Zoroxeus | can't find any good ones |
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| 03:12.35 | frb-work | what's the format for a fish url? fish://user@host/path? |
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| 03:14.00 | aseigo | frb-work: yes |
| 03:14.17 | aseigo | or, if it's the same user as you are currently logged in as, just fish://host/path |
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| 03:17.11 | thechris | i have a computer related quesiton, on most mobo, PCI = 33Mhz 32 bits only right? |
| 03:17.25 | thechris | i wouldn't be able to use a 32bit, 66Mhz SCSI card would i? |
| 03:20.58 | thiago | you probably would |
| 03:21.00 | thiago | at 33 MHz |
| 03:21.37 | thechris | hmm. i'm not sure the card works that way though |
| 03:21.55 | thechris | how much BW is 4*33? |
| 03:22.28 | thiago | hit Alt+F2 |
| 03:22.37 | thiago | then type "4*33" and press Enter |
| 03:22.50 | thiago | without the quotes |
| 03:24.23 | thechris | oh thats awsome |
| 03:24.24 | thechris | well no |
| 03:24.28 | thechris | it's too low |
| 03:24.37 | thechris | but the feature still is nice |
| 03:25.34 | Marcum18D | Bloody hell. |
| 03:25.45 | Marcum18D | Lightning |
| 03:26.16 | Marcum18D | My gaming computer always clicks off when there is just the smallest interuption in power, This PC doesen't have a problem. Has to be something to do with the larger power supply |
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| 03:33.00 | fatejudger | if you run a program with a memory leak, will KDE reclaim that memory when the program terminates? |
| 03:33.05 | fatejudger | or does it require a restart of the OS? |
| 03:33.20 | thiago | no and no |
| 03:33.22 | thiago | technically |
| 03:33.31 | thiago | the OS will reclaim the memory |
| 03:33.55 | fatejudger | oh ok, so the Linux kernel will reclaim the memory? |
| 03:34.17 | fatejudger | even if something was created in the heap and never deleted |
| 03:34.43 | thiago | yes |
| 03:34.47 | fatejudger | when? |
| 03:34.49 | thiago | when the program terminates, all the heap is freed |
| 03:34.55 | fatejudger | how is that possible? |
| 03:35.00 | fatejudger | the heap is shared between many programs |
| 03:35.04 | thiago | no it's not |
| 03:35.08 | fatejudger | it isn't a fixed amount of memory |
| 03:35.09 | fatejudger | like the stack |
| 03:35.09 | thiago | the heap is exclusive to each process |
| 03:35.13 | thiago | no |
| 03:35.15 | fatejudger | what? |
| 03:35.19 | thiago | the stack is also exclusive to each process |
| 03:35.22 | fatejudger | is it like that in Windows too? |
| 03:35.29 | thiago | in fact, ALL the memory is exclusive to each process |
| 03:35.50 | thiago | one process cannot see any other process, even if it searched the full 4 GB of addressable space |
| 03:35.56 | thiago | yes, I think so |
| 03:36.33 | fatejudger | are you sure about this? |
| 03:36.41 | fatejudger | why does Windows always need to be restarted then? |
| 03:37.24 | thiago | because it's stupid |
| 03:37.50 | fatejudger | well that isn't a very good explination |
| 03:38.04 | fatejudger | I don't see why people would be concerned about memory leaks if the OS took care of it |
| 03:38.05 | jmg | actually it is |
| 03:38.11 | jmg | windows is crap |
| 03:38.19 | thiago | fatejudger: the problem is when the OS leaks |
| 03:38.34 | fatejudger | so Windows has a memory leakage problem? |
| 03:38.41 | thiago | not that I know of |
| 03:38.55 | fatejudger | well then why is it "gay"? |
| 03:38.59 | thiago | no |
| 03:39.09 | thiago | it works fine in that area for me |
| 03:39.10 | frb-work | is there a kde app that can do css layout for me? |
| 03:39.18 | thiago | my company laptop has been running for 8 days |
| 03:39.46 | fatejudger | when I used Windows, it would always seem to slow down after running a few programs |
| 03:39.53 | fatejudger | I figured that they leaked some memory |
| 03:39.55 | fatejudger | in the heap |
| 03:39.59 | fatejudger | and never took care of it |
| 03:40.28 | thiago | kill those processes |
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| 03:41.03 | thiago | anyways, that's way off-topic |
| 03:41.17 | fatejudger | ok... |
| 03:41.28 | fatejudger | I don't see how Linux is better than Windows then |
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| 03:41.39 | thiago | there are other reasons |
| 03:41.45 | fatejudger | well |
| 03:41.47 | fatejudger | TCP/IP |
| 03:41.49 | fatejudger | besides that too |
| 03:42.04 | thiago | the fact that both use exclusive memory for each process doesn't mean they are both equally the same |
| 03:42.48 | thiago | the VMM is different; caching is done better IMHO in Linux; process/task scheduling, multitasking, preemption, etc. |
| 03:43.06 | thiago | just to name a few |
| 03:44.00 | thiago | also the fact that it tells you it's time for bed |
| 03:44.04 | thiago | :-) |
| 03:44.10 | thiago | good night everyone |
| 03:44.14 | aseigo | it does? huh. mine always says, "just a little bit longer" |
| 03:44.20 | aseigo | thiago: g'nite dude |
| 03:44.28 | thiago | aseigo: kteatimer rocks |
| 03:44.58 | fatejudger | thiago: lol |
| 03:45.17 | aseigo | thiago: heh. do you listen to the Linux User Podcast? they had a good chuckle when they found the teatimer this week ;) |
| 03:45.48 | fatejudger | aseigo: they just found it? |
| 03:45.49 | Zaki | how to crash my konqueror for testing? |
| 03:45.54 | fatejudger | aseigo: how could anyone not know about it? |
| 03:46.04 | aseigo | fatejudger: they are relatively new users. |
| 03:46.15 | aseigo | Zaki: crash, or just kill? |
| 03:47.02 | Zaki | aseigo, well i'd like to test the saved session recovery after konqueror crashes |
| 03:47.35 | Dhraakellian | as an incentive for me to stop trying to use the computer and go to bed |
| 03:47.42 | Zaki | aseigo, but i even don't know how to kill konqueror because i couldn't find the processes ID's of running konq |
| 03:47.56 | aseigo | Zaki: just ctrl-alt-esc then click on the window |
| 03:48.09 | Zaki | aseigo, oh ok thanks |
| 03:48.12 | Dhraakellian | or do ctrl+esc |
| 03:48.34 | aseigo | you ass ksysguard? |
| 03:48.40 | Dhraakellian | ... |
| 03:49.10 | Zaki | Dhraakellian, ctrl+esc while the focus on the application to be killed? |
| 03:49.28 | Dhraakellian | Zaki, it launches ksysguard (process table) |
| 03:49.35 | Zaki | Dhraakellian, oh right |
| 03:49.37 | Zaki | ok |
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| 04:05.18 | Ragol_ | I asked about these problems ragol.kattila.org/make2.txt and decided to try to change g++ 4->3.3 and now it compiled perfectly |
| 04:05.35 | Ragol_ | should I file a bug report or something? |
| 04:07.06 | Ragol | oh, ubuntu hoary and kde3.5beta1 updated from svn yesterday, that's my system |
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| 04:07.32 | _jasmin | hai |
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| 04:28.24 | soulcito | i want to create a signature i can use with my mutt.... |
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| 04:29.24 | soulcito | help? :( |
| 04:29.33 | NiklasH_work | hi, does anyone else have problem with kopete and msn in ubuntu? it crashes when i try to connect |
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| 04:32.18 | Oleg_ | what changed between alpha1 3.5 and beta1? |
| 04:32.39 | _jasmin | god morning |
| 04:34.43 | Maneit | Oleg_: is beta1 out? |
| 04:35.04 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 04:35.18 | Maneit | uhm.. where's the announcement? :) |
| 04:35.20 | Dhraakellian | wha? |
| 04:35.31 | frb-work | I want rpms :) |
| 04:35.40 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:36.35 | Dhraakellian | http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-release-plan.html |
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| 04:38.52 | _jasmin | what is rpms? |
| 04:43.02 | grepper | was tagged Sept 10 apparently |
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| 04:45.44 | ShockValue | is there a version of firefox floating around that looks ok in QT (kde) ? currently it looks ugly and outta place :( |
| 04:46.16 | frb-work | the one suse ships looks ok |
| 04:47.21 | frb-work | then again, I use a simple theme, no pixmaps or hideousness here |
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| 04:52.04 | emRick | I'm looking at xlib properties like "_NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS" ... is this KDE stuff? if so, can I get a page (or include file) that lists these properties with their numeric values? |
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| 04:54.02 | Oleg_ | KIRK |
| 04:57.24 | Dhraakellian | ShockValue, try using one of the plastikfox themes |
| 05:00.04 | ShockValue | i just installed "black" it matches my theme pretty OK |
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| 05:21.19 | Tm_T | hmh |
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| 05:52.04 | darcy | anyone have trouble getting qt to use the system libs like jpeg and mng? it compiles fine, but in runtime can't seem to find them |
| 05:52.30 | darcy | stace shows it to _not_ be looking in /usr/local/lib which is where they are |
| 05:52.37 | darcy | strace that is |
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| 06:01.39 | sztk | i just finish getting svn from kde 3.5 what should i do now? |
| 06:02.54 | canllaith | build it! :) |
| 06:03.34 | sztk | how? i forgot the first command it was something like Make cvs or somethign like that |
| 06:05.37 | gregday | make -f Makefile.cvs |
| 06:05.51 | gregday | you are invoking make and telling it to use the Makefile.cvs file as the Makefile |
| 06:06.07 | gregday | that generates the configure script, which you can run next |
| 06:06.20 | sztk | ok thxs |
| 06:06.29 | canllaith | There are instructions on developer.kde.org :) |
| 06:06.49 | sztk | ok |
| 06:06.53 | sztk | =) |
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| 06:10.07 | asdx | where can i see stuff about kde 4? |
| 06:10.12 | asdx | kde4 development |
| 06:10.19 | asdx | innovation |
| 06:10.20 | sztk | the svn i get from kde 3.5 dosent bring qt on it? |
| 06:10.20 | asdx | and all that stuff |
| 06:10.55 | sztk | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 06:10.57 | aseigo | asdx: for which purpose? |
| 06:11.03 | sztk | i should pacman then qt |
| 06:11.12 | sztk | aseigo: to build kde 3.5 |
| 06:11.20 | asdx | aseigo: i just want to know what is behind it |
| 06:11.41 | aseigo | sztk: what version of Qt do you have installed? |
| 06:11.47 | aseigo | asdx: give it a couple more months |
| 06:11.55 | asdx | k |
| 06:12.41 | HnZeKtO | morning |
| 06:12.54 | asdx | morning |
| 06:13.11 | sztk | aseigo: now im installing qt-3.3.5-1 i thought de svn had it but it seems it dosent :-p |
| 06:13.38 | aseigo | it should.. qt-copy |
| 06:14.13 | aseigo | note that there's a bug in uic in 3.3.5 ... dunno if the version you are installing contains the patch, but if your build ends up bailing on .ui generated files, then you need the patch |
| 06:14.32 | sztk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.33 | sztk | arts kdebase kdelibs |
| 06:15.05 | gregday | sztk: qt-copy is up one level than those |
| 06:15.48 | sztk | is up one level? sorry i dont understand my english is not the best hehe |
| 06:18.12 | sztk | it seems that i dont got it when i did the svn for arts kdelibs and kdebase |
| 06:19.03 | gregday | nevermind im thinking of kde4 |
| 06:19.16 | gregday | sztk: qt-copy is not in that directory |
| 06:19.32 | sztk | but with this |
| 06:19.33 | sztk | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/arts/1.5/arts |
| 06:19.33 | sztk | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdelibs |
| 06:19.34 | sztk | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase |
| 06:19.41 | sztk | should i have qt-copy? |
| 06:19.46 | gregday | sztk: no. |
| 06:19.47 | sztk | or i have to compile qt? |
| 06:19.53 | sztk | ok |
| 06:19.55 | gregday | sztk: qt-copy is not in KDE/3.5/ |
| 06:20.02 | canllaith | sztk:do you currently have any KDE 3.x installed at all? |
| 06:20.03 | sztk | ok thxs |
| 06:20.06 | canllaith | if so you can use your current Qt |
| 06:20.15 | sztk | canllaith: nop |
| 06:20.19 | sztk | nothing.. |
| 06:20.27 | canllaith | Ok |
| 06:20.34 | sztk | Targets: qt-3.3.5-1 |
| 06:20.36 | sztk | xD |
| 06:21.36 | gregday | sztk: any reason you're compiling rather than using your distro's packages? |
| 06:21.51 | canllaith | grab qt-copy from /home/kde/branches/qt/3.3/qt-copy |
| 06:21.54 | canllaith | if you want to use it |
| 06:22.59 | sztk | gregday: just the fun of it and trying 3.5 |
| 06:23.01 | sztk | xD |
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| 06:24.02 | [AD]Ska | [offtopic] someone needs a good opensource c++ vector graphics library ? http://www.amanith.org |
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| 06:35.34 | asdx | what is plasma? |
| 06:36.33 | boyd | A fourth state of matter, similar to an ionized gas |
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| 06:36.53 | Marcum18D | It's the fluid that cells are suspended in. It's Clear and yellowish (Translucent yellow) and makes up portions of blood, Lymph, and intramuscular fluid. |
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| 06:37.36 | Marcum18D | Also it's the fluid portion of milk, after the curds been taken out, It's called whey too |
| 06:38.19 | aseigo | boyd: plasma _is_ ionized gas |
| 06:38.35 | Marcum18D | Well he didn't specify, The word means alot of things. |
| 06:38.41 | Marcum18D | Everyone of those were correct. |
| 06:38.48 | boyd | But is ionized gas plasma? |
| 06:38.54 | aseigo | asdx: read the website (plasma.kde.org), check out the various interviews /stories that have been written on it, and/or wait a few months |
| 06:38.58 | aseigo | boyd: yes |
| 06:39.02 | asdx | I'm talking about this -> http://plasma.bddf.ca/ |
| 06:39.08 | asdx | yes, or that |
| 06:39.39 | asdx | can u tell me what is supossed to be or what is supossed to do? |
| 06:39.48 | asdx | k. I'll read |
| 06:39.49 | Marcum18D | Well, Now that's a specification ;) Can't help you there. I'm only know about plasma found in blood. |
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| 06:42.41 | boyd | I hope it's as innovative as they suggest. I don't want them to fall back on "if all else fails, copy windows", as Andy Hertzfeld calls it. |
| 06:43.35 | Marcum18D | Well, I think the reason alot of times things fall back to copying the standard (windows) is because change is hard to pass on. |
| 06:44.02 | Marcum18D | It might be better, but if it takes relearning alot of people will pass it up. Not as much of a problem with linux at least ;) |
| 06:44.23 | Marcum18D | Windows will never change, because you'll never get all those people to learn anything new. Your lucky if they know how to check their email. |
| 06:46.19 | boyd | Agreed, but that just means that if it's better, it has to be a lot better to get over the adoption hump. Everybody uses the phone cos it's way better than the telegraph, but it it was only 2% better then nobody would bother |
| 06:46.29 | Marcum18D | Yep |
| 06:47.00 | Marcum18D | Problem with computers is, You can only make it so much more better as far as interface goes, So long as we continue to use a keyboard and mouse. |
| 06:47.36 | fatejudger | we have touch screens |
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| 06:47.45 | Marcum18D | You might, I never have. |
| 06:47.49 | Marcum18D | And won't for quite some time. |
| 06:47.56 | fatejudger | on Palm Pilots |
| 06:48.01 | Marcum18D | You can't design for the majority using interface for the minority |
| 06:48.01 | fatejudger | and handheld PCs |
| 06:48.05 | Marcum18D | I don't have those. |
| 06:48.10 | fatejudger | hmm |
| 06:48.12 | fatejudger | that sucks |
| 06:48.17 | boyd | I'm not sure I agree... I think there can be some really good innovations with just K&M. Some of the s/w like Quicksilver for the mac are good examples |
| 06:49.24 | Marcum18D | The problem I think boyd, Is less with the software (though some of it needs some serious work to become user friendly) but the ergonomics of a keyboard and mouse just don't apeal to me. So most work done just on the side of software, can only do so much. |
| 06:49.59 | Marcum18D | Of course, I do enjoy text commands myself still, So maybe i'm just hopless ;) |
| 06:52.01 | Marcum18D | I wish I could put linux on my good PC. I would love to run just linux. Damn windows programs. |
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| 06:54.03 | Marcum18D | I mean, first off, If I could have a keyboard, that I could rapidly switch to an Arabic keyset. |
| 06:54.20 | Marcum18D | I'd be like a hog in a mudhole |
| 06:56.01 | Marcum18D | Woa, Google is making their own IM service now |
| 06:56.12 | Tm_T | making? |
| 06:56.19 | Marcum18D | Starting, something I don't know |
| 06:56.23 | Marcum18D | What would you call it? |
| 06:56.32 | Tm_T | it is already.. working fine in Kopete ;) |
| 06:56.39 | Tm_T | google talk |
| 06:56.40 | Marcum18D | Hmm. This is the first i've read of it. |
| 06:57.20 | Marcum18D | What is it with google and staying so quiet about things. If it hadn't been for TechTV i'd never of known about Gmail, Of course, now that techtv is dead. I'm always out of the loop |
| 06:57.34 | Tm_T | =) |
| 06:57.56 | Marcum18D | Granted i'm reading an article that's a whole 3 weeks old. |
| 06:58.11 | Marcum18D | With computers... That's like a lifetime |
| 06:58.16 | Tm_T | thoh |
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| 07:00.06 | Marcum18D | Why am I reading a press release in spanish. |
| 07:00.13 | Marcum18D | I could probally find it in english.. |
| 07:01.23 | Marcum18D | Alright, maybe my spanish is rusty, But is google claiming they are going to make Google talk communicate with ALL other IM services (MSN,Aim etc etc) |
| 07:02.04 | Marcum18D | Or maybe I read this wrong, they are talking about connecting via Phone with all other companies.. |
| 07:02.07 | Marcum18D | Hmm I need an english site |
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| 07:06.23 | Marcum18D | Now i'm just confused, I'm going to make coffee |
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| 07:12.01 | Marcum18D | Oh oh. .Maybe someone can help me out. |
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| 07:12.58 | Marcum18D | Alright, I had wine installed, an older version, Which is packaged with debian, And I knew how to edit the configuration for that (was easy, use the wizard you could install, or just play with the file) |
| 07:13.34 | Marcum18D | I upgraded it with the new version from the wine site, and now i'm stuck trying to figure out how to configure it. |
| 07:13.47 | Marcum18D | I can't find where the config file is |
| 07:21.50 | Marcum18D | God I hate windows. It has this ability to break itself. |
| 07:22.18 | Marcum18D | I mean if for no other reason, Linux "pawns" because only you can break it. It won't break itself. |
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| 07:32.16 | pinotree | hello |
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| 07:40.51 | Marcum18D | hello |
| 07:41.39 | pinotree | hello Marcum18D |
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| 07:43.36 | Marcum18D | How goes it young grasshopper? |
| 07:44.08 | bc-bd | hello |
| 07:44.14 | Marcum18D | hello |
| 07:44.43 | bc-bd | id like to implement a gnome feature into kde, when changing desktop with the keyboard display the pager, not just the name of the desktop. |
| 07:45.24 | bc-bd | i found the place where to put the drawing of the pager in, but i was wondering if there is some library code i can use to draw a small version of all desktops |
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| 07:48.04 | Marcum18D | No idea there, sorry |
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| 08:05.08 | pinotree | morning PhilRod :-) |
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| 08:06.51 | Marcum18D | Jeez |
| 08:09.12 | PhilRod | good morning pinotree |
| 08:09.32 | Marcum18D | Phil, You don't run Debian do you |
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| 08:10.28 | PhilRod | nope |
| 08:10.39 | PhilRod | the people in #debian-kde probably do though |
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| 08:35.02 | Marcum18D | Ktron is addicting |
| 08:35.45 | Marcum18D | yes phil, They probally do. But, I don't like the people that i've talked to in the channel before. They are a bit too condesending for my taste. |
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| 08:47.12 | miguel | hola |
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| 08:49.30 | Marcum18D | hola senor |
| 08:49.32 | Marcum18D | ;) |
| 08:52.01 | NSK | hi |
| 08:53.59 | Marcum18D | Why do people leave so quickly after saying hello |
| 08:54.03 | Marcum18D | Hello nsk |
| 08:55.32 | NSK | KDE 3.4.0 Level "b", what is level b ? |
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| 08:59.23 | pinotree | NSK: iirc, a suse patchlevel or something like that |
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| 10:16.08 | sveri | hi, i have a soundcard (sb audigy) and a tv controller (bt878) in my computer, how can i tell arts or kde that the primary sound controller should be my sb audigy and not the tv controller sound card? |
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| 10:26.14 | PhilRod | set the device in control center -> sound & mm -> sound server |
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| 10:31.41 | sveri | hm, the problem is that i dont have the device /dev/dsp anymore, but xmms plays with the correct sound card |
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| 10:55.20 | dandelion | Hello |
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| 11:10.14 | Russel | i am now compiling/installing kde3.5beta1 with konstruct: can i setup a path for kde with this tool? for example /usr/kde3.5beta/ |
| 11:10.52 | bram85 | Russel: there is some configuration file for konstruct. but I'm not familiar with this tool, but I think it was called gmake.conf or something |
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| 11:12.05 | NSK | hi |
| 11:12.13 | Russel | found it... default install is in home |
| 11:12.14 | NSK | how can I migrate all my KMail mailboxes and settings to another PC ? |
| 11:13.06 | Russel | perhaps copy ~/.kde/share/kmail |
| 11:13.22 | NSK | thanks |
| 11:14.17 | NSK | I don't have any .kde directory there |
| 11:14.51 | bram85 | NSK: you mean on the other PC? |
| 11:15.32 | NSK | sorry I meant kmail directory, in share |
| 11:15.45 | NSK | in the source PC |
| 11:15.55 | Russel | right |
| 11:15.59 | Russel | go apps down |
| 11:16.20 | NSK | ah there |
| 11:16.21 | NSK | thanks |
| 11:16.24 | Russel | i missed this part |
| 11:16.32 | NSK | which file contains the settings ? |
| 11:17.10 | NSK | kmmainwin.rc ? |
| 11:17.14 | Russel | NSK: why not copy all and delete the mails in kmail? |
| 11:17.56 | bram85 | NSK: ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc (settings only!) |
| 11:18.04 | NSK | thanks |
| 11:18.28 | Russel | mail includes the mails and mailboxes |
| 11:18.37 | PhilRod | you probably also want ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc for your addressbook |
| 11:18.46 | Russel | (only on pop3 account) |
| 11:19.03 | PhilRod | and your mail might be stored in ~/Mail or ~/.Mail or wherever your distro likes to put it |
| 11:19.26 | NSK | it's suse 9.3 |
| 11:20.08 | Russel | i have my mail in .kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/... |
| 11:21.06 | PhilRod | that's kmail default, but it can also end up in other places for a variety of reasons |
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| 11:21.29 | PhilRod | NSK: if you want the same setup on another PC, just copy the whole of ~/.kde |
| 11:21.44 | PhilRod | that'll get you all of your KDE settings on the target machine |
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| 11:21.47 | NSK | yes actually I want the same setup for everything |
| 11:22.10 | NSK | the other PC has a different user name, will this cause any problem if I copy whole ~/.kde ? |
| 11:22.27 | NSK | and it has another KDE version too |
| 11:22.47 | PhilRod | the different user name might be a problem. The newer(?) KDE version won't |
| 11:22.53 | NSK | source PC is KDE 3.4.1, the target PC is KDE 3.4.0 |
| 11:22.57 | NSK | it's older version |
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| 11:27.01 | PhilRod | oh, a point release is probably OK |
| 11:27.11 | PhilRod | you shouldn't have any problem, I imagine |
| 11:29.32 | bc-bd | koqnueror seems to generate illegal postscript when printing |
| 11:30.28 | SlackUX | is kde 3.5beta1 simlar to kde 3.5svn? |
| 11:30.50 | bram85 | SlackUX: almost, yes |
| 11:31.09 | SlackUX | just more bug fixes? |
| 11:31.30 | bram85 | yes |
| 11:31.36 | SlackUX | ahh nice |
| 11:31.51 | SlackUX | really impressed with 3.5svn |
| 11:32.14 | hydrogen | err |
| 11:32.22 | hydrogen | 3.5beta has less bug fixes than 3.5 svn |
| 11:32.25 | SlackUX | kde's memory usuage has gone down ALOT |
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| 11:49.15 | Marcum18D | You mean, Between 3.4 and 3.5 or? |
| 11:49.33 | Marcum18D | In 3.5 between bug fixes and updates in the beta? |
| 11:49.59 | Marcum18D | Because me (of course being used to windows massive resource eating self) always thought KDE had pretty low memory usage ;) |
| 11:50.18 | SlackUX | 3.4 is much better |
| 11:50.44 | SlackUX | XP claims it's lighter |
| 11:51.54 | ilyak | Is 3.5 out? |
| 11:52.01 | SlackUX | beta1 |
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| 11:52.14 | ilyak | betas are rarely fully optimised |
| 11:53.26 | Marcum18D | I'm awaree, I was just wondering if he meant between 3.4 and 3.5 or just 3.5 has improved. |
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| 12:00.25 | SlackUX | 3.4 is a big improvement over 3.3 |
| 12:00.51 | SlackUX | 3.5 has some nice features and touches |
| 12:02.31 | Marcum18D | I might have to upgrade to 3.4 |
| 12:02.43 | SlackUX | you should |
| 12:02.52 | Marcum18D | Running 3.3 at the moment, 3.4 take any extra power to run at all? |
| 12:03.04 | SlackUX | no, less memory |
| 12:03.11 | Marcum18D | Well then damn, I should ;) |
| 12:03.14 | SlackUX | and faster |
| 12:03.17 | Marcum18D | Since this pile of shit is pretty slow |
| 12:03.29 | SlackUX | what spec? |
| 12:03.45 | Marcum18D | 800 Mhz p3 512 megs ram voodoo 3 =) |
| 12:03.56 | Marcum18D | Not the slowest PC i'm running, But not notable for speed. |
| 12:04.33 | SlackUX | kde 3.4 will be better for you |
| 12:04.54 | PhilRod | SlackUX: if you'd like to help make 3.5 even better, we'd love to have your help |
| 12:05.41 | PhilRod | coding, docs, translation, promo, artwork, web work, ... |
| 12:05.43 | SlackUX | PhilRod, If I could code then yes indeed |
| 12:05.51 | PhilRod | you don't need to code :-) |
| 12:05.58 | SlackUX | I'm more a artwork guy |
| 12:06.13 | PhilRod | I've never written a line of code for KDE, but I've been making commits for years now |
| 12:06.26 | PhilRod | ah, have you seen kde-artists.org? |
| 12:06.28 | Marcum18D | I can read write and speak Arabic. |
| 12:06.30 | Marcum18D | Does that help? |
| 12:06.33 | SlackUX | yer |
| 12:06.58 | PhilRod | Marcum18D: if you'd like to help with the arabic translation I can try to put you in touch with the appropriate team |
| 12:07.11 | Marcum18D | Theres an actual Arabic translation team, Wow. |
| 12:07.11 | SlackUX | but I was using gnome until about 3 days ago and KDE go me again |
| 12:07.22 | SlackUX | did some nice icon sets |
| 12:07.23 | Marcum18D | I mean, I could try, I don't know how fast i'd be at doing it. |
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| 12:07.49 | PhilRod | Marcum18D: let me see if I can find the address for the co-ordinator |
| 12:07.59 | SlackUX | I've been meaning to getting around to doing some kde icons sets and artwork |
| 12:08.18 | Marcum18D | Of course, I speak a dialect of Arabic primarilly found in Iraq, There could be 40 Arabic files in it =D |
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| 12:09.21 | SlackUX | PhilRod, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=25865 |
| 12:10.03 | PhilRod | Marcum18D: http://i18n.kde.org/teams/index.php?a=i&t=ar has contact details |
| 12:10.28 | Marcum18D | Hmm might have to break out my arab keyboard. |
| 12:11.08 | PhilRod | SlackUX: nice - I like the FF logo particularly |
| 12:11.13 | SlackUX | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=27166 |
| 12:11.20 | SlackUX | thats the latest |
| 12:11.43 | Marcum18D | Indeed the Firefox logo has a nice touch. |
| 12:11.50 | Marcum18D | Of course my pyromaniac self would like it. |
| 12:11.52 | SlackUX | thanks |
| 12:13.19 | Marcum18D | I really want the optimus keyboard to come out. |
| 12:13.22 | PhilRod | SlackUX: kde-artists.org has a "kollaboration forum" where app authors request artwork for particular apps and stuff - you might like to take a look there |
| 12:13.35 | SlackUX | I will |
| 12:13.37 | Marcum18D | I hope it lets the keys display other languages character sets on it. |
| 12:13.38 | PhilRod | you could probably find an easy way to get into it |
| 12:13.44 | Marcum18D | I'd buy one in a heart beat. |
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| 12:14.00 | PhilRod | oh, is that the one with a mini display on each key? |
| 12:14.04 | Marcum18D | Yes |
| 12:14.08 | Marcum18D | It would do wonders for me. |
| 12:14.22 | Marcum18D | I would honestly buy 3 of them. |
| 12:14.25 | SlackUX | PhilRod, I'm concentrating on kde now anyway |
| 12:14.32 | Marcum18D | One for work, One for home, And one to keep in my car for my laptop |
| 12:14.38 | TomTom | hi there... is kde zeroconf suuport only for this pseudo apple standard or also for sdp/slp and upnp(-av) ? |
| 12:15.19 | SlackUX | is there a order to compile kde after kdebase? |
| 12:15.20 | Marcum18D | I hope they offer a wired version |
| 12:15.48 | PhilRod | SlackUX: cool - if you ever have trouble finding out who to contact or whatever, drop by here and we can probably find the right person |
| 12:16.01 | PhilRod | SlackUX: any order you like, with kdeaddons last (if you're building kdeaddons) |
| 12:16.11 | SlackUX | I will, no worries |
| 12:16.18 | SlackUX | thanks |
| 12:16.20 | PhilRod | qt, arts, kdelibs, kdebase, *, kdeaddons |
| 12:16.44 | SlackUX | yer, I did arts, kdelibs,kdebase |
| 12:16.45 | *** join/#kde _knoppix (n=knoppix@d58-104-5-105.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 12:17.29 | SlackUX | have qt installed from slackware |
| 12:17.38 | PhilRod | that's ok |
| 12:17.46 | PhilRod | I use system Qt with almost no problems |
| 12:17.54 | _knoppix | hey |
| 12:17.57 | _knoppix | how yaa goinh guyz. |
| 12:18.02 | SlackUX | yer, easier and saves time :-) |
| 12:18.28 | _knoppix | can anyone tell me how to access memory stick in knoppix |
| 12:18.32 | _knoppix | i m new to linux |
| 12:19.05 | SlackUX | I assume knoppix dont have HAL! |
| 12:19.05 | PhilRod | plug it in and see if it gets autodetected :-) |
| 12:19.27 | _knoppix | i did |
| 12:19.40 | _knoppix | but it didnt work |
| 12:19.51 | _knoppix | even i try to edit etc/fstab |
| 12:19.59 | SlackUX | looks like it's the manual way :-) |
| 12:19.59 | _knoppix | but i dont knw wat i m doin wrong |
| 12:20.14 | _knoppix | still itz not working |
| 12:20.23 | _knoppix | and itz plugged in |
| 12:20.37 | SlackUX | _knoppix, what does command dmesg say about it? |
| 12:20.58 | _knoppix | i didnt get yaa |
| 12:21.06 | _knoppix | dmesg |
| 12:21.11 | SlackUX | type dmesg in the console |
| 12:21.20 | _knoppix | ok |
| 12:21.28 | *** join/#kde tilix (n=tilix@83.228.25.49) |
| 12:21.42 | SlackUX | plug it in and then type dmesg |
| 12:21.58 | PhilRod | _knoppix: you can also ask in #knoppix (type "/join #knoppix") |
| 12:22.23 | _knoppix | #knoppix |
| 12:22.27 | _knoppix | okay |
| 12:22.31 | _knoppix | itz sayz |
| 12:22.41 | _knoppix | scsi unknow opcode |
| 12:23.48 | _knoppix | SlackUX ......datz wat it sayz .. |
| 12:23.50 | _knoppix | nothing else |
| 12:23.59 | SlackUX | yer, ask in #knoppix channel |
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| 12:24.16 | _knoppix | arrite |
| 12:24.17 | _knoppix | thnx mate |
| 12:24.21 | SlackUX | :-) |
| 12:24.31 | root | hi |
| 12:24.46 | SlackUX | root, I hope you not :-) |
| 12:24.58 | root | ? |
| 12:25.07 | SlackUX | running as root |
| 12:25.14 | root | yup |
| 12:25.21 | SlackUX | oh dear |
| 12:25.23 | root | now is running as root |
| 12:25.36 | root | dont worry tttoomuch |
| 12:25.42 | Russel | ? running irc client as root? |
| 12:25.46 | SlackUX | thats a really bad thing to do |
| 12:25.55 | PhilRod | ~root |
| 12:25.59 | apt | from memory, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
| 12:25.59 | root | yup |
| 12:26.05 | PhilRod | heh |
| 12:26.06 | root | just lazy ttttolog off |
| 12:26.27 | Russel | and working as root? argh |
| 12:26.41 | PhilRod | root: you want to enable "bounce keys" by the looks of it |
| 12:26.51 | SlackUX | no wonder Windows users get hacked so much :-) |
| 12:27.18 | root | erk |
| 12:27.22 | root | sorry |
| 12:27.28 | root | dont understand |
| 12:27.45 | Marcum18D | Indeed slackUX |
| 12:27.48 | Russel | and you are logged in as root graphical i think |
| 12:27.53 | SlackUX | root, one command and EVERYTHING is gone |
| 12:28.02 | root | yup |
| 12:28.06 | root | nerver |
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| 12:28.10 | root | mind |
| 12:28.26 | root | notthing yet inside the system |
| 12:28.45 | Marcum18D | Of course, if Windows users would use a bit more intelligence and create limited accounts to use on XP, they might have fewer problems. |
| 12:28.52 | SlackUX | root, it's not the hacker you should be worries about |
| 12:29.10 | Marcum18D | Yeah, generally you should be worried about your own screw ups =D |
| 12:29.17 | SlackUX | lol |
| 12:29.22 | Marcum18D | I logged into KDE and X as root once. |
| 12:29.23 | SlackUX | thats my point |
| 12:29.32 | Marcum18D | fiddled with something and broke it. |
| 12:29.50 | Marcum18D | Well Logged in as root and Started KDE and X I should say. |
| 12:30.16 | SlackUX | back soon |
| 12:30.18 | Marcum18D | It's not a good thing to do I must say. |
| 12:30.22 | SlackUX | later |
| 12:30.27 | Marcum18D | Have you all played Age of Conquerers? |
| 12:30.30 | Marcum18D | Later Slacker |
| 12:31.58 | root | ok |
| 12:32.06 | root | thanks for the advice |
| 12:32.42 | root | actually i was configuring something |
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| 12:48.07 | annma | hi adamt :) |
| 12:48.39 | root | heh |
| 12:48.43 | root | bow? |
| 12:48.45 | root | emm |
| 12:49.00 | root | why is that so quiet here? |
| 12:49.14 | adamt | root: you are not logged on irc as root... please don't tell me so |
| 12:49.18 | adamt | hi annma |
| 12:49.32 | root | yaaa adamt |
| 12:49.40 | root | it as a roott rite |
| 12:49.58 | Marcum18D | Well root, I'll bet it's quite because some of us had strokes, and the rest had heart attacks. |
| 12:50.10 | root | hehehehehe |
| 12:50.14 | Marcum18D | quiet* |
| 12:50.14 | root | no wonder |
| 12:50.30 | adamt | it's stupidity to do things like irc as root =) |
| 12:50.36 | annma | and the rest is hacking your machine, Ragol |
| 12:50.40 | annma | root |
| 12:50.42 | root | hehehe |
| 12:50.53 | root | let them be |
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| 12:51.27 | root | just want to see how serious it can be |
| 12:51.37 | adamt | okay, new to linux+ |
| 12:51.39 | adamt | *? |
| 12:51.44 | root | hope no need to do major operaation |
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| 12:52.05 | root | yup |
| 12:52.16 | root | get use to window |
| 12:52.32 | adamt | you know why windows-users get spyware, virus.. etc.. right? |
| 12:52.34 | raddy | can't i change status of a bug in bugs.kde.org? |
| 12:52.40 | root | yaaa |
| 12:52.47 | adamt | becuase they per default is using the system as "root" |
| 12:52.55 | root | because tooooo many window machine out there |
| 12:52.58 | raddy | can i reopen another one's bug? |
| 12:53.03 | annma | raddy: do you have an account? |
| 12:53.13 | annma | raddy: you can reopen, yes |
| 12:53.20 | raddy | yeah |
| 12:53.25 | pinotree | annma: if he have the permissions |
| 12:53.40 | annma | yes, do you have a svn account, raddy ? |
| 12:53.43 | adamt | now you have your answer, please log on as something else for your own safety. or don't come whining back when isp's block you because someone made your pc an email-gateway. |
| 12:53.58 | root | hehehe |
| 12:54.04 | root | never mine |
| 12:54.08 | root | let them be |
| 12:54.19 | root | as i said |
| 12:54.27 | root | this system wont long |
| 12:54.33 | annma | root: do you have a kde question? |
| 12:54.41 | root | nop |
| 12:54.56 | raddy | annma : i don't have svn account, but i have bugs.kde.org account |
| 12:54.57 | root | wondering |
| 12:55.10 | root | which one better |
| 12:55.12 | root | kde or gnome? |
| 12:55.25 | adamt | or fluxbox, wmaker, E.. etc. |
| 12:55.27 | annma | root: you choose and you ask this in #gnome |
| 12:55.38 | root | ooo |
| 12:55.40 | root | ok |
| 12:55.42 | annma | no flame |
| 12:55.43 | adamt | yes, go to #gnome and ask what is best :P |
| 12:55.57 | root | just wondering |
| 12:56.06 | raddy | annma : i don't have svn account, but i have bugs.kde.org account |
| 12:56.12 | root | may be some one out here fimiliar with both |
| 12:56.25 | annma | no, root |
| 12:56.42 | Lord-Phoenix | might i suggest that the topic be changed to reflect the release of KDE 3.5 Beta1? |
| 12:56.55 | annma | we are specialized in kde as you know very well or you are a bit thick |
| 12:56.57 | adamt | root: people who are in #kde are of course mostly using KDE 'cause they prefer it. |
| 12:56.58 | annma | Lord-Phoenix: yes |
| 12:57.17 | root | tought so |
| 12:57.22 | root | some ppl have both |
| 12:57.38 | Lord-Phoenix | anyone know what Kanzler means? |
| 12:57.40 | *** mode/#kde [+o PhilRod] by ChanServ |
| 12:57.47 | adamt | root: find the ones that are active in #kde _and_ #gnome then :P |
| 12:58.03 | adamt | Lord-Phoenix: it's german for prime minister i think |
| 12:58.08 | *** topic/#kde by PhilRod -> KDE 3.5 beta1 is out: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5beta1.php | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | New features in development versions: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html |
| 12:58.14 | adamt | not the excact spelling though |
| 12:58.28 | *** part/#kde AnalogTek (i=[U2FsdGV@c-24-128-75-254.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 12:58.37 | annma | ah, PhilRod, you were quicker than me |
| 12:58.44 | raddy | annma : hey i want to submit a bug, but it was already submitted by some one else, and the bug was marked as resolved, but the bug still popping up |
| 12:58.55 | annma | raddy: what bug then? |
| 12:59.06 | annma | let me see if I can reproduce it |
| 12:59.11 | Lord-Phoenix | hmm, you learn something every day :) |
| 12:59.30 | annma | raddy: if so I'll reopen it |
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| 13:00.13 | raddy | annma : add a irc account, it host must be oblivion.ca.us.irchighway.net |
| 13:00.29 | annma | raddy: hey, moment |
| 13:00.33 | annma | raddy: what app???? |
| 13:00.44 | raddy | annma : it is related to kopete |
| 13:02.03 | annma | raddy: moment, asking something in another channel |
| 13:02.49 | annma | so raddy |
| 13:02.56 | raddy | annma : then, log in to #ezflash channel from that same account, |
| 13:03.08 | annma | take me through the precise steps |
| 13:03.12 | annma | you are too quick! |
| 13:03.26 | annma | I have kopete, what next? I never use kopete |
| 13:03.32 | annma | so guide me well |
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| 13:03.59 | annma | raddy: what menu? how do I add an irc account? |
| 13:03.59 | jeh | isn't kanzler something like chancellor? |
| 13:04.18 | raddy | annma : tool>accounts |
| 13:04.32 | adamt | jeh: yeah. german for primeminister i think |
| 13:05.05 | annma | I have no tools menu for a start |
| 13:05.11 | jeh | adamt: yup, something like that |
| 13:05.26 | adamt | annma: not in the main-window |
| 13:05.35 | adamt | but.. lol |
| 13:05.36 | raddy | annma : sorry, click settings>configure kopete>account from the main kopete window |
| 13:05.38 | annma | raddy: I said explain well |
| 13:05.55 | annma | ok |
| 13:05.58 | annma | next? |
| 13:06.29 | raddy | annma : click,new |
| 13:06.43 | raddy | annma : then a wizard would appear |
| 13:06.48 | annma | yes |
| 13:06.49 | annma | IRC |
| 13:07.08 | raddy | annma : yeah, you got it |
| 13:07.31 | adamt | what then annma ? |
| 13:07.34 | adamt | *raddy |
| 13:07.56 | adamt | any special usernames .. etc..? |
| 13:08.06 | raddy | annma : then enter something in nick name |
| 13:08.17 | annma | the oblivion... where do I add that? |
| 13:08.21 | annma | nick is done |
| 13:08.27 | raddy | adamt : tell me |
| 13:09.03 | annma | the oblivion... where do I add that? |
| 13:09.05 | raddy | annma : then click connection |
| 13:09.21 | annma | yes |
| 13:09.24 | annma | Edit? |
| 13:09.35 | raddy | annma : click edit |
| 13:09.48 | annma | yes |
| 13:10.28 | raddy | annma : then click new from the laft hand side |
| 13:10.48 | annma | ok |
| 13:11.23 | annma | network is ArcNet? |
| 13:11.37 | raddy | annma : then in paste the above said host name in host in right hand side |
| 13:11.56 | adamt | can't you paste it for us again? |
| 13:11.57 | annma | yes, done |
| 13:12.06 | annma | oblivion.ca.us.irchighway.net |
| 13:13.15 | raddy | click ok and close the windows one by one and finish new irc account creation wizard |
| 13:13.26 | annma | done |
| 13:13.33 | annma | joined channel #ezflash |
| 13:13.55 | annma | where is the list of people? |
| 13:14.20 | raddy | annma : now be care full to note down the bug if it appear |
| 13:14.23 | adamt | annma: no list *do'h* |
| 13:14.27 | adamt | ohh.. sorry |
| 13:14.31 | adamt | misunderstood you =) |
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| 13:15.13 | adamt | my kopete can't connect to the network..hm |
| 13:15.19 | *** join/#kde WhatAHam (i=somebody@cpe-69-203-111-129.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 13:15.29 | raddy | annma : now right-click FAST6191 in the buddy list and click user info |
| 13:15.41 | *** part/#kde sysdev (n=sysdev@85.137.81.108) |
| 13:15.57 | raddy | adamt : are you too folowing my guidance? |
| 13:16.08 | annma | raddy: moment, I don't have any list of people |
| 13:16.13 | annma | how do I get it? |
| 13:16.16 | adamt | yup. but now i got kopete dying |
| 13:16.23 | raddy | annma : what happens ? |
| 13:16.30 | adamt | i removed the IRC-account, and *booom* dead. |
| 13:16.47 | annma | you have joined #ezflash |
| 13:16.57 | annma | so I am there but I don't see any other people here |
| 13:17.03 | annma | nor anything that is said |
| 13:17.18 | annma | raddy: is the network ArcNet? |
| 13:17.29 | annma | you did not precise the network in the Settings |
| 13:17.36 | raddy | annma : do you have chat member list? |
| 13:17.53 | annma | raddy: answer my question about the network please |
| 13:17.54 | AnalogTek | annma: no, the network is not ArcNet. |
| 13:17.57 | annma | ah |
| 13:18.01 | annma | what is it then? |
| 13:18.08 | annma | did he say and I missed it? |
| 13:18.29 | raddy | annma : i told you to create a new one na? |
| 13:18.34 | annma | new na? |
| 13:18.37 | AnalogTek | annma: the network is pretty much irrelevant as you have the specific server name/address: oblivion.ca.us.irchighway.net |
| 13:18.48 | *** join/#kde root (n=root@209.13.212.15) |
| 13:18.54 | annma | ah |
| 13:19.00 | AnalogTek | does the /server command work in kopete (I don't know cuz I use xchat) |
| 13:19.05 | annma | I was not in the correct New |
| 13:19.12 | AnalogTek | if so, just type /server oblivion.ca.us.irchighway.net |
| 13:19.13 | annma | moment, I reset it |
| 13:19.15 | raddy | AnalogTek : don't confuse him |
| 13:19.18 | annma | her |
| 13:19.23 | annma | raddy: I know IRC |
| 13:19.24 | AnalogTek | raddy: tsk! tsk! |
| 13:19.27 | *** part/#kde root (n=root@209.13.212.15) |
| 13:19.40 | AnalogTek | then, when connected to the server, type /join #ezflash |
| 13:19.43 | *** join/#kde mdo_ (n=13h7@p508A439C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:20.23 | *** join/#kde _root (n=root@209.13.212.15) |
| 13:20.29 | annma | in any case kopete is not an IRC client |
| 13:20.52 | *** part/#kde _root (n=root@209.13.212.15) |
| 13:21.03 | *** mode/#kde [-o PhilRod] by ChanServ |
| 13:21.05 | raddy | AnalogTek : ok, thats tnanks for joing me in helping him to check if that bug realy exist in kopete |
| 13:21.38 | raddy | annma : whats the results? |
| 13:21.40 | PhilRod | annma: well, it has (somewhat dubiously) IRC functionality |
| 13:21.52 | annma | it says it is not a network |
| 13:22.17 | annma | raddy: something is not OK in your explanation |
| 13:22.54 | raddy | annma : hey did you entered that host name in host of new network creation dialog? |
| 13:22.57 | pinotree | PhilRod: iirc, there's a branch to rewrite the irc protocol of kopete |
| 13:23.29 | annma | raddy: in Connection tab should oblivion be as New Network on the left list? |
| 13:23.33 | Ilya | is there any way to make something like MS "recent documents" in KDE? |
| 13:23.34 | PhilRod | pinotree: oh, cool. |
| 13:24.00 | pinotree | Ilya: in the k-menu? yes, there is |
| 13:24.19 | pinotree | Ilya: |
| 13:24.22 | raddy | AnalogTek : try to share my pain, please explain him |
| 13:24.37 | Ilya | pinotree: i can't find it :( |
| 13:24.55 | annma | this is all buggy |
| 13:25.02 | annma | raddy: explain HER |
| 13:25.07 | raddy | AnalogTek : bye the way does bugs.kde.org supprt changing status of a bug? |
| 13:25.18 | annma | the fact is that Kopete is all buggy |
| 13:25.33 | pinotree | (phone) |
| 13:25.49 | annma | and unintuitive |
| 13:25.50 | Ilya | i deleted kopete from sources before compiling KDE :) |
| 13:26.29 | raddy | annma : anyhing appearing in connect tab is name |
| 13:26.39 | *** join/#kde etsmart (n=etsmart@p213.54.163.214.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 13:26.51 | Ilya | couse it doesn't support russian |
| 13:27.13 | annma | when I change something I have to quit and to restart |
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| 13:27.23 | annma | otherwise it does not refresh the change |
| 13:27.28 | annma | in systray |
| 13:27.29 | raddy | annma : so paste the host name in host in your newly created network in irc plug in |
| 13:27.45 | annma | yes yes |
| 13:28.01 | *** part/#kde etsmart (n=etsmart@p213.54.163.214.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 13:28.14 | AnalogTek | back... |
| 13:28.22 | annma | connecting |
| 13:28.29 | raddy | annma : simply right click the new account and click offline and then click online |
| 13:28.31 | annma | are you in the chan, raddy? |
| 13:28.44 | raddy | annma : yeah |
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| 13:29.21 | raddy | annma : now be care full to not the bug if appear |
| 13:29.33 | annma | wow |
| 13:29.39 | annma | I am there as ann |
| 13:29.43 | annma | do you see me/ |
| 13:29.53 | annma | how long and difficult |
| 13:29.54 | raddy | annma : now right-click FAST6191 click user info |
| 13:30.13 | annma | crash |
| 13:30.18 | annma | all that for a crash! |
| 13:30.26 | annma | bye bye kopete |
| 13:30.28 | *** join/#kde etsmart (n=etsmart@p213.54.163.214.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 13:30.31 | adamt | =) |
| 13:30.32 | annma | what bug was it? |
| 13:30.41 | annma | paste the bug number now please |
| 13:30.44 | adamt | kopete is fine except for a few bugs here and there.. em.. |
| 13:30.50 | raddy | annma : yeah |
| 13:31.14 | Ilya | make DO_NOT_COMPILE=kopete is the right way |
| 13:31.24 | *** join/#kde nme (i=nme@suid.pl) |
| 13:31.29 | annma | raddy: paste the bug url please |
| 13:31.40 | annma | (and he thinks I am stupid) |
| 13:32.18 | raddy | annma : 64159 |
| 13:32.35 | adamt | great. i'm on a mailing-list that is getting spam. |
| 13:33.32 | Ilya | pinotree: hey |
| 13:33.32 | annma | raddy: what is this user FAST6191? |
| 13:33.39 | annma | does it happen only with that user? |
| 13:33.43 | annma | or all users? |
| 13:33.44 | pinotree | Ilya: ok, phone finished |
| 13:33.44 | raddy | annma : please reopen the bug and fill out the details |
| 13:33.52 | annma | raddy: please explain better |
| 13:34.02 | annma | see what I asked and answer |
| 13:34.21 | pinotree | Ilya: kcontrol->desktop->panels->menus->optional menus |
| 13:34.34 | Ilya | i posted a bug for quanta few day ago and got no reply |
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| 13:34.54 | AnalogTek | I knew there was a reason I don't use kopete... sigsegv |
| 13:34.58 | station04 | bi-manila |
| 13:34.59 | annma | lol |
| 13:35.11 | raddy | annma : hey i am not getting your replies as fast as you type, thats why the inconsistencies |
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| 13:35.12 | annma | AnalogTek: and it's so intuitive to set up |
| 13:35.19 | Ilya | pinotree: thanx! ) |
| 13:35.24 | AnalogTek | annma: heh, yeah, right! |
| 13:35.33 | annma | raddy: so read above and tell me please |
| 13:36.06 | raddy | annma : the irc server is configured not by a proffessional |
| 13:36.08 | AnalogTek | raddy: sorry; I was only ignoring you cuz I didn't know you were typin' at me while I was tryin' to set up kopete and try this. |
| 13:36.47 | PhilRod | Ilya: wait a few more days - someone will probably add a comment |
| 13:36.47 | raddy | AnalogTek : oh ok |
| 13:37.45 | raddy | annma : that irc server may not have the user details or the irc server may not support the feature |
| 13:38.05 | annma | raddy: so in that case it's not a kopete bug |
| 13:38.21 | annma | well, let me test it here with KSirc |
| 13:38.32 | annma | did you compare with another IRC client? |
| 13:38.52 | annma | if I crash you'll know why |
| 13:39.08 | AnalogTek | what functionality do you want tested - whois? |
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| 13:39.41 | annma | AnalogTek: is whois same as user info? |
| 13:39.53 | raddy | annma : did you notice the FAST6191 is not underlined when hovering you mouse cursor, it indicates something, but i don't know what is the indication |
| 13:40.17 | annma | raddy: in KSirc it's all ok. One thing: is whois same as user info? |
| 13:41.10 | annma | what's sure is that in KSirc it took me 20 seconds |
| 13:41.13 | AnalogTek | annma: different clients call it by different names... |
| 13:41.18 | raddy | annma : yeah, most probably same |
| 13:41.28 | annma | ok so it's perfectly OK in KSirc |
| 13:41.34 | Ilya | Start quanta, create new page; |
| 13:41.34 | Ilya | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.34 | Ilya | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.34 | Ilya | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.36 | annma | whois works well on all users |
| 13:41.46 | AnalogTek | in XChat, I can get whois, who, userhost and dns lookup info on that nick. |
| 13:42.12 | annma | same in KSirc |
| 13:42.20 | annma | so it is indeed a Kopete bug |
| 13:42.25 | raddy | annma : so are you going to reopen that bug? |
| 13:42.29 | annma | raddy: see how to test well |
| 13:42.36 | AnalogTek | does it happen with kopete in here? |
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| 13:42.40 | annma | I open only when I tested the best I can |
| 13:43.55 | raddy | annma : you can reproduce that bug na? then why delaying? |
| 13:44.16 | annma | I tested in another IRC client, raddy |
| 13:44.25 | annma | and so did AnalogTek |
| 13:44.49 | Ilya | do i alone have this bug? |
| 13:45.01 | PhilRod | can anyone who has TeX installed do a "locate bibtopic.sty" and tell me what distro you're running? |
| 13:45.14 | bc-bd | sec |
| 13:45.25 | raddy | annma : yeah but you had test in kopete too na? |
| 13:45.30 | annma | Ilya: moment, I cannot check several bugs at once |
| 13:45.36 | Ilya | ) |
| 13:45.46 | annma | raddy: testing means see how it behaves in other clients |
| 13:46.04 | Ilya | annma- universal multibugcheker |
| 13:46.25 | bc-bd | PhilRod: debian sid, dont have it |
| 13:46.45 | PhilRod | bc-bd: ok, thanks |
| 13:46.52 | PhilRod | that was what I was afraid of |
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| 13:47.00 | AnalogTek | PhilRod: fc4 here, I have /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/bibtopic/bibtopic.sty |
| 13:47.17 | PhilRod | AnalogTek: can you tell me what package installed that file? |
| 13:47.37 | annma | raddy: and now you'll add a comment to confirm it please http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64159 |
| 13:47.47 | annma | Ilya: so your turn now |
| 13:48.50 | Ilya | annma: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112853 |
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| 13:49.36 | AnalogTek | PhilRod: tetex-latex-3.0-6.FC4 |
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| 13:49.46 | SpeS | annma at last I got that! :) (the kgradient and the qlineedit linked) |
| 13:50.22 | annma | SpeS: :)) |
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| 13:51.03 | Ilya | oh, it ,published my e-mail... fuck |
| 13:51.23 | Ilya | spammers are wellcome.... |
| 13:51.50 | PhilRod | thanks AnalogTek, bc-bd |
| 13:52.00 | arthurb | hum, still have that weird marquee selection bug... anyone familiar with that? The marquee draws properly only when drawn from the tl corner to the br corner |
| 13:52.12 | AnalogTek | PhilRod: yw :) |
| 13:52.19 | raddy | annma : i added comment conforming it |
| 13:52.50 | bc-bd | PhilRod: np |
| 13:52.55 | arthurb | if I draw it from top to bottom, right to left it only shows the vertical borders, from left to right and bottom to up, only horizontal etc |
| 13:53.09 | annma | raddy: not very verbose! |
| 13:53.14 | raddy | annma : thanks a lot for taking the pain of understanding kopete from bad tuter like me |
| 13:53.18 | annma | Ilya: trying your bug |
| 13:53.33 | annma | raddy: I'll never use kopete as irc client, for sure |
| 13:53.40 | annma | ;) |
| 13:53.58 | raddy | annma : ok |
| 13:54.07 | annma | Ilya: what is the Visual Editor? |
| 13:54.12 | raddy | annma : bye bye |
| 13:54.14 | annma | the window witht the tags? |
| 13:54.19 | annma | bye raddy |
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| 13:54.46 | annma | Ilya: ping |
| 13:55.00 | Ilya | annma: hit F9 |
| 13:55.14 | Ilya | wysiwyg editor |
| 13:55.18 | helpme | try kanotix...it rocks! |
| 13:55.34 | annma | Ilya: wow |
| 13:55.45 | adamt | helpme: you thought some propaganda was needed? |
| 13:55.46 | annma | got a crash after hitting twice F9 |
| 13:56.31 | helpme | adamt: just wanted to share my exp man:) |
| 13:56.59 | adamt | :P |
| 13:57.09 | Ilya | i know |
| 13:57.09 | adamt | s/kanotix/gentoo/ |
| 13:57.32 | Ilya | it's not "wow", it's bug ) |
| 13:57.38 | annma | lol |
| 13:57.46 | annma | getting the backtrace |
| 13:57.54 | annma | and adding comment |
| 13:58.02 | Ilya | i can't work with quanta because of it ) |
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| 13:59.13 | Ilya | ok |
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| 13:59.31 | annma | same backtrace it seems |
| 13:59.39 | annma | done, Ilya |
| 13:59.47 | annma | I put New as bug status |
| 14:00.04 | annma | any other bg around? |
| 14:00.09 | annma | bug |
| 14:00.40 | Ilya | mm... lots of them |
| 14:02.48 | annma | lol |
| 14:02.50 | annma | ;) |
| 14:03.00 | Ilya | but not so easy to make it crash... for example, when i tried to add files to the project .. (about 3000 files) it crashed while trying to make a tree view ) |
| 14:03.01 | annma | I already issued 1 and confirmed 2 this morning |
| 14:03.09 | annma | and it's only 10:00 am |
| 14:03.42 | adamt | hmm.. konqueror with the location bar at the bottom seems interesting to say the least |
| 14:04.04 | Ilya | 17:00...i'll go home soon ) |
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| 14:04.31 | PhilRod | adamt: heh - I can't imagine that it's useful, but definitely cute |
| 14:04.57 | Russel | does konstruct resume the compiling if it fails or will it compile everything again? |
| 14:05.12 | adamt | i some ways. the bar isn't a part of the page, so in some ways it makes sence |
| 14:05.29 | adamt | somewhat weird though, but i like to toy around |
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| 14:10.07 | Ilya | wonna another bug? |
| 14:10.09 | tucoz | Hi, don't know if this is the right channel to ask this, but I am having issues when I run configure in baghira theme |
| 14:10.25 | tucoz | Or, if you perhaps could point me in the right direction |
| 14:10.57 | tucoz | I get an "checking for X...configure: error: Can't find X includes" |
| 14:11.34 | tucoz | running kde 3.4.something. |
| 14:12.03 | PhilRod | tucoz: install xorg-devel |
| 14:12.09 | tucoz | PhilRod: thanks |
| 14:12.10 | PhilRod | or whatever your distro calls that package |
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| 14:12.24 | tucoz | Probably the right package name , kubuntu hoary |
| 14:12.58 | kelmo | hi, is it possible to invoke a kde service, such as kwrited, with a manual command? |
| 14:13.11 | kelmo | knemod is my real target |
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| 14:14.52 | adamt | dcop maybe? |
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| 14:16.26 | kelmo | ~/.kde/share/config/kdedrc |
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| 14:34.38 | MasterOfDisaster | hi guys - The media ioslave refuses to mount entries detected by hal which are not in /etc/fstab - though pmount is installed... What could I be doing wrong? |
| 14:35.18 | MasterOfDisaster | kde 3.5 alpha1, hal 0.5, pmount 0.9.4, dbus 0.33.x are used... |
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| 14:36.25 | annma | does it mount in konsole? |
| 14:36.57 | MasterOfDisaster | you mean, when calling pmount manually? |
| 14:37.05 | annma | yes |
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| 14:37.53 | MasterOfDisaster | wait a sec, I'm trying |
| 14:39.16 | MasterOfDisaster | sorry, seems like PEBKAC - I didn't know pmount is for removable devices only |
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| 14:42.43 | MasterOfDisaster | well, not totally. When inserting the device, it shows up in the media ioslave. When I click it, it gets mounted, but the contents are not showed (ls <mountpoint> shows them ehough). |
| 14:43.07 | MasterOfDisaster | When clicking the item again, it tries to mount it again... |
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| 14:49.07 | nada | Im trying to disable kdm, so i can just login and start X from the command line |
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| 14:49.23 | nada | anyone know what it takes to disable kdm? |
| 14:49.36 | PhilRod | depends on your distro |
| 14:49.43 | adamt | uninstall it |
| 14:49.59 | lilalinux | Woohoo |
| 14:50.01 | lilalinux | hey guys |
| 14:50.08 | lilalinux | congratulations |
| 14:50.10 | nada | all reasonable answers... |
| 14:51.09 | PhilRod | nada: what distro are you using? |
| 14:51.11 | PhilRod | lilalinux: ? |
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| 14:51.35 | lilalinux | PhilRod: 3.5beta |
| 14:51.39 | lilalinux | aka Kanzler |
| 14:51.44 | furrie | if OS = FreeBSD, edit /etc/ttys changing the line so that 'on reads off: ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure |
| 14:52.03 | nada | furrie: thanks /me tries |
| 14:53.07 | volty | hi, how can I eliminate the gray background of the header & footer when printing from kate? |
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| 14:56.08 | pinotree | volty: in the print dialog, click on expand and go to the tab with those options |
| 14:57.00 | volty | thx pinotree, I feel stupid :) |
| 14:57.07 | pinotree | na |
| 14:59.00 | Marcum18D | In the words of the almighty Metal Gear Engrish. |
| 14:59.02 | Marcum18D | I feel asleep |
| 15:01.42 | adamt | Metal Gear Engrish? |
| 15:03.06 | chrisag | Anyone know if someone is making Suse 9.3 packges for 3.5 beta? |
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| 15:05.06 | Marcum18D | Metal gear being a game for the NES. Engrish being any language's poor translation to english (feel asleep rather then fell asleep) |
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| 15:05.40 | adamt | ohh right. |
| 15:06.04 | Marcum18D | You missed the golden age. |
| 15:06.08 | Marcum18D | I'm out |
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| 15:20.01 | MasterOfDisaster | The problem I stated above (media ioslave tries to mount already mounted volumes) occurs with volumes listed in fstab too... |
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| 15:20.46 | annma | did you look if there is a bug report? |
| 15:21.06 | annma | is your kde 3.5 self compiled or from a distro (gentoo? or other?) |
| 15:21.32 | MasterOfDisaster | (1) no, will do so now (2) gentoo |
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| 15:22.19 | GraveDigger | hi there |
| 15:23.02 | GraveDigger | is there any software that allows to redirect and stream the input of arts to a shoutcast/icecast server? |
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| 15:25.02 | annma | did you look at Gentoo forums or ask in #gentoo? |
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| 15:26.33 | MasterOfDisaster | annma: ok, I'll go ask them - sorry bothering you... |
| 15:26.41 | annma | no bother |
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| 15:26.50 | annma | it's just sometimes related to the distro |
| 15:27.32 | MasterOfDisaster | ok, thanks |
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| 15:28.06 | StyXman | hi all |
| 15:28.43 | PhilRod | hi StevenR |
| 15:28.47 | PhilRod | erm, hi StyXman |
| 15:29.08 | StyXman | I'm having troubles with kde and xkb. it's not reponding to dead keys normally |
| 15:29.23 | StyXman | but e.g. xterm works fine |
| 15:29.39 | PhilRod | did you fiddle with control center -> regional & a11y -> keyboard layout? |
| 15:29.56 | StyXman | the `only' thing I did was to update my xorg |
| 15:30.09 | StyXman | PhilRod: well, i think it's more complicated than that |
| 15:30.18 | StyXman | a couple of notes about setup |
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| 15:30.48 | StyXman | I had ubuntuhoary; upgraded to breezy. it's the same xorg as before, only packaged differently |
| 15:31.11 | StyXman | kde is from svn, and I recompiled qt-copy, kdelibs and kadebase after the upgrading |
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| 15:31.31 | PhilRod | try fiddlign with keyboard layout - it sometimes help |
| 15:31.31 | StyXman | so |
| 15:31.33 | PhilRod | helps* |
| 15:31.43 | StyXman | PhilRod: I do |
| 15:31.52 | StyXman | I switch keyb layouts with kxkb |
| 15:32.04 | StyXman | tehy switch all right |
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| 15:32.10 | Ragol | PhilRod: my problem was solved, you can't compile it with g++ 4.0.1... after I changed g++ back to 3.3 everything went smoothly :) |
| 15:32.21 | StyXman | only dead keys dont work in e.g. konsole as they used to |
| 15:32.40 | StyXman | xev and xterm see the dead keys alright |
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| 15:32.52 | StyXman | sterm even build the accented letter I want |
| 15:33.32 | StyXman | xterm* |
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| 15:35.05 | StyXman | hmm, strange |
| 15:35.27 | StyXman | the only apps that see correctly the keys are xapps: xterm, etc |
| 15:35.31 | Oleg_ | let's get kde 3.5 beta1 |
| 15:35.38 | StyXman | kde doesn't, oofice neither... |
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| 15:36.13 | Oleg_ | hehe: |
| 15:36.19 | Oleg_ | "Please note: Qt 3.3.5 is unsupported by this release" |
| 15:36.25 | Oleg_ | that's funny |
| 15:37.24 | annma | well, no |
| 15:37.29 | annma | it has probles |
| 15:37.32 | annma | problems |
| 15:38.03 | annma | so that means that when you compile the beta1 you must do so with a qt <= 3.3.4 |
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| 15:40.00 | Oleg_ | yeah, I have only qt-3.3.3 installed |
| 15:40.57 | claviola | what problems? |
| 15:41.12 | StyXman | Oleg_: use qt-copy |
| 15:41.19 | claviola | the use of includehints? |
| 15:41.24 | annma | StyXman: NO |
| 15:41.37 | StyXman | annma: no? |
| 15:41.39 | annma | not qt-copy from 3.5 branch |
| 15:41.51 | annma | as it is qt 3.3.5 which is not supported |
| 15:41.59 | annma | claviola: yes |
| 15:42.05 | StyXman | annma: so...? |
| 15:42.15 | claviola | annma: it's disabled on the debian packages, so I suppose it's okay. |
| 15:42.18 | annma | so if you use that kde will not compile |
| 15:42.22 | adamt | so the Qt branch that goes with KDE 3.5 won't let KDE compile - great =) |
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| 15:42.46 | annma | yes thanks to trolltech |
| 15:42.48 | StyXman | annma: well, it does compile here... |
| 15:43.04 | annma | StyXman: ah? you have the kde beta1 tarballs? |
| 15:43.17 | StyXman | annma: no, svn 3.5 branch |
| 15:43.22 | annma | ah, yes |
| 15:43.34 | annma | so please talk about what we are talking here |
| 15:43.50 | annma | I committed some fixes to kdebase myself, StyXman |
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| 15:43.52 | StyXman | annma: umm, yeah, sorry to confuse |
| 15:44.12 | annma | yes, the svn branch has fixes that the tarballs do not have |
| 15:44.43 | annma | Oleg_: if you want to compile kde3.5beta1 keep your qt3.3.3 |
| 15:45.07 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 15:45.28 | Oleg_ | I am downloading kdebase beta1 now |
| 15:45.29 | annma | StyXman: gentoo? |
| 15:45.49 | StyXman | annma: ubuntu breezy |
| 15:45.57 | real | hi i just compile kde 3.5 from svn, i did the las make install to kde base? is there any more next steps or its done for a startkde ? |
| 15:45.58 | StyXman | I just like to have my patched kde |
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| 15:46.21 | annma | real: it's ok to be started |
| 15:46.30 | annma | real: did you use a new user to compile? |
| 15:46.38 | annma | oh too late |
| 15:46.45 | annma | hope he gets the env vars right |
| 15:46.58 | StyXman | heh |
| 15:51.21 | frb | my kicker is acting funny, none of my applets are showing except the systray, everything else is blank/black |
| 15:51.35 | annma | frb: what did you do to get that? |
| 15:52.13 | frb | I went home, left the machine running, came back, unlocked the scren and found amarok crashed and the panel horked |
| 15:52.27 | frb | that is, went home from work, so it was around 10 hours |
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| 15:54.35 | annma | oh so some settings got messed |
| 15:54.44 | annma | are your settings very important? |
| 15:55.04 | annma | you can back up .kde/share/config to .kde/share/config.bak |
| 15:55.05 | frb | they've been the same for about 2 months |
| 15:55.09 | annma | and restart kde |
| 15:55.09 | Oleg_ | I always see the English words I dunno. I dunno what hork is. |
| 15:55.17 | annma | hork? |
| 15:55.26 | annma | in konq type dict:hork |
| 15:55.26 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 15:55.30 | frerich | Oleg_: hork's are the ones who frobnicate all the time |
| 15:55.42 | Oleg_ | frobnicate? |
| 15:55.47 | Oleg_ | oh man |
| 15:55.51 | Oleg_ | dunno that word too |
| 15:56.17 | frerich | Oleg_: 'to frobnicate' is pretty much the same as 'to stirnel' |
| 15:56.25 | StyXman | Oleg_: its in the jargon dictionary |
| 15:56.29 | Oleg_ | oh my GOD! |
| 15:56.51 | StyXman | frerich: ah, that puts it clearer... |
| 15:57.18 | frerich | StyXman: I ment 'to stirnel' as in 'to stirnel vubously', of course |
| 15:57.34 | StyXman | hehehe |
| 15:57.42 | Oleg_ | vubously? |
| 15:57.47 | frb | ignore him |
| 15:57.48 | Oleg_ | oh my GOD |
| 15:57.56 | frb | he's on the dr00gz man |
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| 15:58.14 | StyXman | frerich: easy on the caffeine |
| 15:58.19 | frerich | Oleg_: I'm just making up words - I'm a non-native speaker myself, you don't want ot know how oftne people played that game on me ;-) |
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| 15:59.28 | Oleg_ | The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search box to the right. |
| 15:59.31 | Oleg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.40 | Oleg_ | it must be a small dictionary |
| 15:59.44 | Oleg_ | or else |
| 15:59.47 | frerich | StyXman: I'm fine, thanks - you can tell when I'm on caffeine since I start using even more crazy words like 'colour' or 'neighbour'. |
| 15:59.48 | frb | I know it's on www.dict.org |
| 16:00.35 | StyXman | frerich: hehhe. |
| 16:02.28 | annma | Oleg_: maybe it's a slang word |
| 16:02.36 | annma | I have a slang FR-En dict |
| 16:03.20 | Oleg_ | No definitions found for "hork", says dict.org |
| 16:03.23 | StyXman | frobnicate: To manipulate or adjust, to tweak. |
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| 16:04.33 | StyXman | `Frob' connotes aimless manipulation; twiddle connotes gross manipulation, often a coarse search for a proper setting; tweak connotes fine-tuning. |
| 16:05.56 | GraveDig1er | annma: those gentoo folks didnt help me. do you have any idea whether, and if yes - how, arts may stream TO shoutcast servers? |
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| 16:06.45 | Oleg_ | I don't know what frob, connote, (though heard of connotations), and twiddle mean |
| 16:06.58 | relentlessslacke | GraveDig1er ----> try to ask here #lad |
| 16:06.59 | annma | GraveDig1er: no idea, no :( |
| 16:07.25 | StyXman | Oleg_: to frob(nicate) is to manipulate controls |
| 16:07.34 | StyXman | like switches, knobs, etc |
| 16:07.37 | Oleg_ | and you people know all of these words? |
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| 16:08.01 | Oleg_ | oh, finally! I know what manipulate and controls mean |
| 16:08.03 | StyXman | Oleg_: ahm, I hust dict/google them |
| 16:08.10 | Oleg_ | hust? |
| 16:08.16 | Oleg_ | dunno what it means |
| 16:08.16 | StyXman | just* |
| 16:08.25 | relentlessslacke | =) |
| 16:08.27 | Oleg_ | oh |
| 16:08.30 | StyXman | my typo reta climbs up again.... *sigh* |
| 16:08.38 | StyXman | rate* |
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| 16:08.56 | relentlessslacke | =)) |
| 16:09.03 | relentlessslacke | StyXman ----> let me slap ya too )) |
| 16:09.22 | GraveDig1er | annma: ok.. |
| 16:09.23 | StyXman | ahmm. |
| 16:09.27 | Oleg_ | ok, I got up recently, so I am gonna brush my teeth |
| 16:09.31 | Oleg_ | be back |
| 16:09.32 | Oleg_ | and eat |
| 16:09.33 | GraveDig1er | relentlessslacke: ok, i'm there |
| 16:09.51 | relentlessslacke | GraveDig1er ----> so, ask now :) |
| 16:10.21 | GraveDig1er | relentlessslacke: i already did |
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| 16:11.39 | relentlessslacke | GraveDig1er ----> hey, buddy, if I knew how to help ya more than that, I wouldn't point you to that channel. I'd just tell ya what I know, but I know nothing, so I did the best think I could, just direct ya to a right place. That's it :) |
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| 16:13.16 | GraveDig1er | relentlessslacke: hey, its alright ... i just said, that i already have gone there in order to ask... already means several seconds before you said: [18:09] <relentlessslacke> GraveDig1er ----> so, ask now :) |
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| 16:13.34 | relentlessslacke | ah.. I see, np, chap, np :) |
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| 16:23.07 | Marcum18D | Oh no! I feel asleep! |
| 16:23.22 | adamt | engrish. |
| 16:23.28 | Marcum18D | Yes indeed |
| 16:23.34 | adamt | timezone? |
| 16:23.46 | Marcum18D | EST |
| 16:23.49 | adamt | US. |
| 16:23.53 | Marcum18D | I didn't actually fall asleep |
| 16:23.53 | robbish | GMT |
| 16:24.01 | robbish | ;D |
| 16:24.02 | Marcum18D | I just think that might be my new 'Hello" |
| 16:24.05 | adamt | EST - what would that be in GMT ? |
| 16:24.10 | robbish | 01 |
| 16:24.13 | adamt | lol ok |
| 16:24.15 | Marcum18D | 0100 |
| 16:24.21 | adamt | okay |
| 16:24.26 | Marcum18D | My watch is set to GMT |
| 16:24.29 | robbish | noo, i don't know. |
| 16:24.40 | robbish | i just accidently pressed those buttons :P |
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| 16:25.29 | Marcum18D | I take that backk |
| 16:25.40 | Marcum18D | I was on the wrong watch setting. I was on the stop watch =D |
| 16:25.49 | Marcum18D | it's 1623 GMT |
| 16:26.03 | robbish | yess |
| 16:26.05 | Marcum18D | which makes it 1223 here |
| 16:26.17 | adamt | half past six here. |
| 16:26.18 | Marcum18D | I was thinking to myself.. It's still light outside, it can't be 1 |
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| 16:26.22 | Marcum18D | =D |
| 16:26.24 | adamt | using the fuzzy clock that is |
| 16:26.27 | robbish | Marcum18D: ;D |
| 16:26.45 | Marcum18D | But my stop watch has been on for 1 day and 14 minutes |
| 16:27.02 | Marcum18D | (another hint it was wrong, When I noticed it said 14, but the TV show is ending_ |
| 16:27.30 | Marcum18D | I may not be able to tell time, But I can deduce things without even trying. |
| 16:27.39 | Marcum18D | So... Hah |
| 16:27.56 | Marcum18D | >> |
| 16:28.04 | Marcum18D | *whistles and walks away before anyone see's him* |
| 16:28.43 | Marcum18D | Anyone played Age of Conquerers before? |
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| 16:35.18 | claviola | has anyone gotten "cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fpie'" when trying to build 3.5beta1 with konstruct? |
| 16:35.50 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: hmm...nice people there... |
| 16:36.03 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> can't deny it |
| 16:36.05 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: alright, thanks for that hint! |
| 16:36.11 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> yw |
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| 16:36.49 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: yw?? |
| 16:36.51 | GraveDigger | oO |
| 16:36.56 | relentlessslacke | you are welcome :) |
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| 16:37.00 | GraveDigger | aye :) |
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| 16:37.23 | pinotree | hey uwolfer =) |
| 16:37.46 | uwolfer | hi pino |
| 16:37.53 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> I noticed too that #lad is an exceptional channel with the most friendly people in there. I wish there were more channels and people like that |
| 16:38.32 | StyXman | claviola: which compiler? |
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| 16:39.26 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: well, at least FRIENDLY is pretty relative... have a look there - i got kicked |
| 16:39.51 | claviola | StyXman: well, standard debian gcc |
| 16:39.54 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: anyways, those folks were indeed very helpful! |
| 16:39.58 | claviola | I get it while trying to build arts |
| 16:40.06 | claviola | gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-10) |
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| 16:40.20 | StyXman | claviola: gcc --version |
| 16:40.27 | StyXman | hmm |
| 16:40.36 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> you've been kicked fro a reason |
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| 16:40.57 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> that guy with whom you were talkin' before got a kick out is a troll |
| 16:40.59 | claviola | I'm trying to set CC and CXX to gcc-4.0, but I don't think it's respecting that |
| 16:41.24 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> guys just don't want anyone to support his dirty game, that's what you did |
| 16:41.26 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: yes, he was... but what do i care? i just had a normal conversation with him ... |
| 16:41.30 | StyXman | claviola: I think you need to specify it at configure time |
| 16:41.33 | StyXman | as in |
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| 16:41.36 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: what dirty game? |
| 16:41.46 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: what has he done? |
| 16:42.07 | StyXman | CC=gcc-4.0 CXX=gcc-4.0 ./configure ... |
| 16:42.21 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: and no,i really dont want to start any stupid discussions... i just wanna understand |
| 16:42.31 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> well, he just sits on the channel and floods with shitty stuff, pickin' up all the newcomers and startin' sensless conversations |
| 16:42.32 | claviola | StyXman: well, I was using konstruct |
| 16:42.39 | StyXman | claviola: ah, yes ... |
| 16:42.39 | claviola | all I did was 'cd meta/kde && make install' |
| 16:42.45 | StyXman | hmm, no idea, then |
| 16:43.00 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: hmm... okay |
| 16:43.11 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> he talks bullshit, and irritates people, that's the reason you were kicked |
| 16:43.25 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> just make /ignore him and it'll be OK |
| 16:43.31 | relentlessslacke | :) |
| 16:44.26 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: oh, well... i said "fuck you" to the guy who kicked me, i was pretty angry about that... at first |
| 16:44.37 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: so i guess i dont need to join there anymore |
| 16:45.04 | GraveDigger | relentlessslacke: however ... besides that little "accident" .... that channel was nice! :) |
| 16:45.12 | adamt | what channel? :P |
| 16:45.44 | GraveDigger | adamt: #lad |
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| 16:46.20 | adamt | http://macnyt.dk/gallery/images/picUploads/11273209923453533.jpg |
| 16:46.27 | adamt | that's genious |
| 16:46.51 | relentlessslacke | GraveDigger ----> well, just go and appologize to that guy/girl. Say you just didn't know the actual reason. I think that's a good way :) |
| 16:48.08 | GraveDigger | reezeh: maybe tomorrow... when they calmed down |
| 16:48.10 | GraveDigger | :D |
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| 16:49.14 | HnZeKtO | adamt: LOL! |
| 16:49.55 | Marcum18D | Why do I always get Kick banned when I offer pictures of myself nude. |
| 16:50.01 | Marcum18D | I don't understand it. |
| 16:50.17 | adamt | lol. |
| 16:50.32 | Marcum18D | That picture is .. Awesome =D |
| 16:50.53 | Marcum18D | The firewall rocks. |
| 16:51.06 | frb-work | because you're ugly |
| 16:51.14 | Marcum18D | Frb, You don't know that yet. |
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| 16:51.17 | Marcum18D | ;) |
| 16:52.00 | Marcum18D | So where do you all want the Hurrican Rita to hit? |
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| 16:54.45 | peppelorum | Where does Kaddressbook store the contacts by default? |
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| 16:55.07 | adamt | Marcum18D: anywhere bush is |
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| 16:55.23 | Marcum18D | I hope it hits new orleans. |
| 16:55.33 | lippel | peppelorum: .kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf or similar |
| 16:55.34 | oneforall | hey wondering how can I get it besides turning it off(artd) so that in konq when it uses the mplayer plugin it quits tring to use arts and lets the app choose? |
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| 16:55.45 | Marcum18D | And is stronger then katrina. Katrina was a sissy hurricane, It didn't get rid of all the degenerates. |
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| 16:56.29 | oneforall | yeah they might wish it its you now and misses every one else |
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| 16:56.55 | Marcum18D | I just don't like lazy people much. And lazy people that do nothing but whine kind of get higher on that list. |
| 16:57.21 | lippel | Marcum18D: hmm? |
| 16:57.27 | peppelorum | lippel: thanks, I thought it should have been 'kaddressbook' but no;-) |
| 16:57.56 | Marcum18D | lippel: lazy people, Like people that live off welfare and then expect everything to be given to them on their schedule. |
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| 16:57.59 | bornio | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.07 | bornio | oops |
| 16:58.19 | lippel | Marcum18D: so what has this to do with hurricanes? |
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| 16:58.34 | Marcum18D | lippel: I hope it hits new orleans. And finishes off the degenerates. |
| 16:59.04 | adamt | wonder if bush blame al-queda for the hurricanes |
| 16:59.09 | Marcum18D | I lived in new orleans for a year. I'll tell you now there are more low lifes on welfare that don't do a god damn thing but waste oxygen in that city then anywhere else i've lived. |
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| 16:59.42 | Marcum18D | And now I live near Fayettville, And that's a pretty crime riddled low life city as well. |
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| 17:00.07 | adamt | Marcum18D: move to denmark =) |
| 17:00.16 | adamt | we have lots of hot chicks |
| 17:00.21 | StyXman | Marcum18D: move to a desert island |
| 17:00.24 | Marcum18D | I'm retiring to Cuba. |
| 17:00.29 | Marcum18D | I don't like deserts. |
| 17:00.34 | lippel | uh, konvi crashed. first time ever. |
| 17:00.40 | StyXman | Marcum18D: desert as in noone at sight |
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| 17:01.10 | Marcum18D | StyXman: Unfortunatly the amount of time i've spent in deserts, I'd rather die then spend more. =) |
| 17:01.23 | Marcum18D | Oh yeah Rita, Cat4 now. |
| 17:01.31 | Marcum18D | Just curve north east |
| 17:02.12 | lippel | Marcum18D: so tell me where the correlation between "i am a lazy person" and "a hurricane destroys my house/kills me" is |
| 17:02.12 | adamt | we do people keep moving back when hurricanes hit the US all the time =) |
| 17:02.22 | Marcum18D | I'm actually torn. If it hits new orleans, That might mean I'll deploy to louisianna, And that would be worse then if another 1000 welfare people die. |
| 17:02.52 | Marcum18D | Just going to resay what I did say lippel |
| 17:02.54 | Marcum18D | lippel: I hope it hits new orleans. And finishes off the degenerates. |
| 17:03.02 | Marcum18D | I lived in new orleans for a year. I'll tell you now there are more low lifes on welfare that don't do a god damn thing but waste oxygen in that city then anywhere else i've lived. |
| 17:03.42 | Marcum18D | And technically, most of the houses destroyed in new orleans, The people living there didn't own, They were projects. |
| 17:03.55 | Marcum18D | So it was just the "kills me" part. |
| 17:04.01 | PhilRod | Marcum18D: #politics |
| 17:04.08 | oneforall | you know right now you are more ignorant than them . stuck up,arrogant................................... |
| 17:04.21 | snugglemonkey | PhilRod: right on. |
| 17:04.53 | Marcum18D | Oneforall, Having lived there for a year, Knowing of the corruption and the wasteful lazy majority of people, If they were all just left to darawnism, It would be far better for the world. |
| 17:05.23 | adamt | mother earth must hate America with all the hurricanes. look at Denmark, that last "hurricane" we had only killed af few threes. and that was like the strongest for ages =) |
| 17:05.34 | Marcum18D | Where else on earth, Can a perfectly healthy male, completly capable of work, Live for free off the government, but america. |
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| 17:05.58 | oneforall | man there is corruption every where. whats the rich peoples excuse for the same curroption they are guil;ty of |
| 17:06.19 | PhilRod | Marcum18D: I said, #politics |
| 17:06.27 | oneforall | does that not make them worse even bigger bums |
| 17:07.00 | Marcum18D | At least they managed to pay for their own dinner. |
| 17:07.10 | Marcum18D | And the corruption in new orleans isn't the poor people on welfare. |
| 17:07.18 | Marcum18D | It's the government officials. |
| 17:07.29 | oneforall | anyway any one know the answer to my question? |
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| 17:07.53 | adamt | oneforall: please repeat it |
| 17:07.59 | oneforall | well look bnack I'm sure I aint the only one that took what you said as the welfare ppl that are corrupt |
| 17:08.08 | oneforall | hey wondering how can I get it besides turning it off(artd) so that in konq when it uses the mplayer plugin it quits tring to use arts and lets the app choose? |
| 17:09.01 | Marcum18D | Corruption "And wasteful lazy majority of people" completly different thoughts seperated by the word and, As opposed to "Corrupt wasteful lazy majority of people" People on welfare can't really be corrupt, That takes power and money. |
| 17:09.18 | Marcum18D | Unless you consider living off welfare your entire life as corruption (Which I do, but that's another story) |
| 17:09.27 | adamt | #politics |
| 17:09.34 | Marcum18D | No one talks in politics |
| 17:09.42 | oneforall | the plugin loads but it loads arts and then sits there |
| 17:09.45 | adamt | please. you are talking with yourself, doesn't matter where you speak then |
| 17:09.53 | StyXman | Marcum18D: so you brinfg the discussion here... |
| 17:10.01 | Marcum18D | You bet SyXman. |
| 17:10.11 | lippel | Marcum18D: maybe #fascistoids |
| 17:10.14 | Marcum18D | And adamt I've recieved responses sporadicly from people here =D |
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| 17:13.12 | Marcum18D | I wasn't even talking. |
| 17:13.13 | PhilRod | ok, no more or you get a ban |
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| 17:13.40 | oneforall | :) |
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| 17:16.08 | Flendor | Good evening. |
| 17:16.56 | adamt | evening Flendor |
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| 17:20.02 | oneforall | hmm guess there is no way :( |
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| 17:21.27 | Oleg_ | just downloaded kdebase |
| 17:21.37 | Oleg_ | now on to kdelibs |
| 17:22.00 | adamt | can't take that long to download |
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| 17:23.20 | oneforall | like why does konq have to load arts when you have it turned of and mplayer is setup to use alsa and no arts etc . too many problems with arts and the fact that it controls the sound is one I don't like. so upgrade alsa it might wotrk and good chance it won't . that the number 1 reason . |
| 17:23.48 | StyXman | oneforall: did you compile kde? |
| 17:23.58 | oneforall | StyXman nope why ? |
| 17:24.09 | oneforall | you can recompile it and turn off arts ? |
| 17:24.48 | StyXman | oneforall: completely |
| 17:24.52 | oneforall | or compile it with out I mean |
| 17:24.56 | StyXman | not even compile ot |
| 17:25.02 | StyXman | t* |
| 17:25.23 | StyXman | i-t, it. that's right. |
| 17:25.49 | oneforall | but no I never compiled kde . been a thought but had no reason :) |
| 17:26.00 | relentlessslacke | =))) |
| 17:26.36 | oneforall | StyXman so if I compile it I can disable arts ? |
| 17:27.51 | oneforall | --without-arts :) |
| 17:27.53 | oneforall | ? |
| 17:27.53 | StyXman | oneforall: well, you can be sure arts doesn't even get installed in your system |
| 17:28.12 | StyXman | but maybe its like banging ahead with a keyboard |
| 17:28.13 | StyXman | ... |
| 17:28.20 | Oleg_ | I won't compile arts anymore; that's for sure |
| 17:28.27 | Oleg_ | kde4 will get rid of arts? |
| 17:28.28 | StyXman | I mean, like killing an ant with a bazooka |
| 17:28.44 | oneforall | hmm I should look but I don't think pat made arts a serperate package . never gave it much thought to lookat that |
| 17:28.44 | PhilRod | ~arts-kde4 |
| 17:28.47 | apt | arts is unmaintained, for KDE 4 (and not before) there will probably be a backend independent architecture allowing you to choose what sound engine (or none) to use via an abstracted API, if you want to know more, you should read the 5 or 6 hundred post long thread on the kde-multimedia mailing list archives |
| 17:28.48 | PhilRod | Oleg_: ^^^ |
| 17:29.03 | StyXman | oneforall: which distro? |
| 17:29.08 | oneforall | slackware |
| 17:29.18 | StyXman | hmm |
| 17:29.29 | oneforall | taking a look now |
| 17:29.50 | oneforall | oh eyah I think its in the multimedia package no doubl\e |
| 17:29.56 | oneforall | err doubt* |
| 17:30.11 | Oleg_ | PhilRod: oh, thanks! I will definitely read that post! |
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| 17:31.22 | rrichie | hi all |
| 17:31.39 | StyXman | Oleg_: *that* post? it's more like 600 posts :-| |
| 17:31.50 | rrichie | i'm trying kde 3.5b1 but the bottom bar doesn't appear anymore. Is there a shell command to make it appear? |
| 17:32.11 | StyXman | rrichie: you mean, kicker? |
| 17:32.37 | rrichie | ah ok but when i launch manually kicker it says it is already running ... |
| 17:32.57 | robbish | killall -9 kicker |
| 17:33.16 | StyXman | rrichie: are you using a new user/seetings or the same you had before? |
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| 17:33.54 | oneforall | hmm thanks will look later at the multimedia src and see if that the one I have to recompile |
| 17:33.56 | rrichie | ok i killed kicker but when i relaunch it the bar appear but disappear just after (seems it is outside the screen) |
| 17:34.01 | rrichie | styxman : yes |
| 17:34.06 | aseigo | robbish: dcopquit kicker |
| 17:34.09 | oneforall | I would think so unless its in the base that part |
| 17:34.11 | aseigo | robbish: safer |
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| 17:34.27 | robbish | aseigo: oh. :-) |
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| 17:34.38 | rrichie | StyXman : the same settings/user |
| 17:34.42 | vbhanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.44 | PhilRod | Oleg_: in fact, that thread might now be outdated - someone presented some work on the KDEMM API at akademy |
| 17:34.51 | vbhanu | it just freezes |
| 17:34.53 | aseigo | robbish: but in any case.. if you move your mouse to the bottom edge of the screen, does the panel appear? |
| 17:34.59 | vbhanu | what exactly happens is this: |
| 17:35.01 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 17:35.07 | PhilRod | vbhanu: create a new user, start amarok with that user. Tell us if it works |
| 17:35.08 | vbhanu | when i play the song then generally we shud get something in the current dir --the info about the song played |
| 17:35.10 | robbish | aseigo: i'm not the one with the problem :) |
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| 17:35.25 | vbhanu | am trying that right away |
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| 17:35.45 | aseigo | rrichie: : but in any case.. if you move your mouse to the bottom edge of the screen, does the panel appear? |
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| 17:36.02 | rrichie | no :( |
| 17:36.29 | aseigo | rrichie: can you pastebin.com your kickerrc for me? |
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| 17:36.47 | rrichie | aseigo : where do i paste it? in private? |
| 17:37.01 | aseigo | rrichie: and you are sure that kicker is running, correct? not just crashed? e.g. "ps ax | grep kicker" shows it as running? |
| 17:37.05 | aseigo | rrichie: pastebin.com |
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| 17:38.06 | rrichie | ok i resolved the problem |
| 17:38.11 | Armopu | hi |
| 17:38.22 | rrichie | killall -9 kicker |
| 17:38.28 | rrichie | rm kickerrc |
| 17:38.32 | rrichie | relaunch kicker |
| 17:38.33 | Armopu | i have just installed kde 3.4.91 and all runs ok |
| 17:38.53 | aseigo | rrichie: arg. |
| 17:39.10 | Armopu | but when i try to open kcontrol, i click kcontrol button but it doesn't open |
| 17:39.12 | aseigo | rrichie: you do know why i asked you to paste your kickerrc, right? so that i might be able to see if there is a bug and FIZX IT |
| 17:39.18 | rrichie | aseigo : thank you for the help |
| 17:39.19 | Armopu | somebody can help me ? |
| 17:39.25 | aseigo | rrichie: by deleting the config file, we'll never know now |
| 17:39.32 | rrichie | i copied it :) |
| 17:39.57 | aseigo | rrichie: ah, good. can you please put it on pastebin.com for me to look at? thanks |
| 17:39.57 | adamt | aseigo: what is the "rc" a shortening for? |
| 17:40.14 | rrichie | but i can't upload a file on pastebin ? |
| 17:40.19 | adamt | nope |
| 17:40.28 | adamt | good old c'n'p |
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| 17:41.22 | rrichie | pasted on pastebin |
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| 17:41.44 | adamt | rrichie: now link to it =) |
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| 17:41.56 | PhilRod | Armopu: try running "kcontrol" from a konsole |
| 17:42.22 | rrichie | how do i do it ? |
| 17:42.24 | adamt | aseigo: you ought to direct people to http://aseigo.pastebin.com instead or something similar, easier for you |
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| 17:43.37 | rrichie | adamt : http://pastebin.com/370122 |
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| 17:44.20 | rrichie | is it ok ? |
| 17:44.41 | adamt | ask aseigo, it was he who wanted it =) |
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| 17:45.25 | rrichie | aseigo ? |
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| 17:46.45 | vbhanu | hi |
| 17:46.59 | StyXman | rrichie: AutoHidePanel=true |
| 17:47.00 | vbhanu | i was here just a moment ago complaining that my amarok is not working |
| 17:47.09 | Armopu | PhilRod: kcontrol: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by /opt/kde/lib/libkhtml.so.4) |
| 17:47.11 | StyXman | that autohides kicker, AFAIK |
| 17:47.12 | vbhanu | someone suggested me to create a new user and try it out |
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| 17:47.20 | rrichie | StyXman : no because when i put my mouse cursor on bottom it didn't come back |
| 17:47.38 | StyXman | rrichie: try deleting that setting |
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| 17:47.43 | StyXman | just remove the liune |
| 17:47.45 | StyXman | line* |
| 17:47.52 | StyXman | kill kicker before |
| 17:47.57 | StyXman | delete the line |
| 17:48.00 | vbhanu | i did that and i find that my amarok is working |
| 17:48.01 | rrichie | ok i've already done it |
| 17:48.01 | StyXman | start it again |
| 17:48.03 | aseigo | rrichie: it was set to only unhide from the bottom left corner |
| 17:48.15 | Tene | Would this be the appropriate place to ask questions related to kmymoney? |
| 17:48.34 | vbhanu | i want to know whether there is a way i can make it work with the present user |
| 17:48.39 | StyXman | aseigo: that's UnhideLocation=6 |
| 17:48.41 | StyXman | ? |
| 17:48.47 | vbhanu | coz all my settings for all programs will be lost otherwise |
| 17:48.53 | Armopu | how can i repair this ?? |
| 17:48.53 | Armopu | kcontrol: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by /opt/kde/lib/libkhtml.so.4) |
| 17:49.02 | aseigo | StyXman: yes |
| 17:49.09 | StyXman | vbhanu: try deleting only amarok's settings |
| 17:49.23 | rrichie | please will there be the rest of kde 3.5b1 packages for ubuntu ? |
| 17:49.26 | vbhanu | i deleted .kde dir and .kde3.4 |
| 17:49.28 | StyXman | Armopu: check that the lib is installed |
| 17:49.30 | vbhanu | to no use |
| 17:49.32 | StyXman | if not, install it |
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| 17:49.42 | coredumped | how can i get konversation from svn? |
| 17:50.13 | Sho_ | coredumped: We've got instructions in the Wiki |
| 17:50.31 | StyXman | coredumped: it's in the extragear `module' |
| 17:50.39 | Sho_ | ... we had instructions in the wiki, before someone deleted them |
| 17:50.44 | Sho_ | Sighs |
| 17:50.46 | Sho_ | damn wiki spammers |
| 17:51.00 | vbhanu | can someone please tell me what can i do here.....are there any places where amarok saves any settings |
| 17:51.07 | Armopu | StyXman: wich lib ?????????? |
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| 17:51.13 | coredumped | vn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/konversation |
| 17:51.16 | coredumped | will that do? |
| 17:51.31 | StyXman | Armopu: /opt/kde/lib/libkhtml.so.4 |
| 17:51.35 | Sho_ | coredumped: http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/index.php?title=Konversation_Tips_and_Tricks&oldid=3013 |
| 17:51.46 | coredumped | thxs |
| 17:52.18 | StyXman | vbhanu: either share/config/amarokrc or share/apps/amarok/ |
| 17:53.07 | vbhanu | inside .kde dir u mean? like i said i have deleted the whole .kde dir and .kde3.4 dir but sad |
| 17:53.16 | vbhanu | it did not help me :( |
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| 17:53.36 | Armopu | StyXman: is that good ?? |
| 17:53.36 | Armopu | [root@ordenata armopu]# ls /opt/kde/lib/ |grep libkhtml.so.4 |
| 17:53.36 | Armopu | libkhtml.so.4 |
| 17:53.37 | Armopu | libkhtml.so.4.2.0 |
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| 17:53.55 | coredumped | i got installed kde 3.5 on the konversation wiki it says: |
| 17:53.56 | coredumped | # svn co -N svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/network extragear-network |
| 17:53.59 | coredumped | # svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin extragear-network/admin |
| 17:54.11 | coredumped | should i do the both svn or only the KDE/3.5 |
| 17:54.12 | coredumped | ? |
| 17:54.39 | Sho_ | coredumped: you need the source dir anyway |
| 17:54.58 | Sho_ | coredumped: just follow the instructions |
| 17:55.06 | coredumped | ok txhs |
| 17:55.18 | vbhanu | ok i will delete the user and recreate it :( |
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| 17:56.12 | Oleg_ | any new features were added to beta1 after alpha1 was released? |
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| 17:59.01 | StyXman | Armopu: it should |
| 17:59.14 | StyXman | somehow it's not looking for it there... |
| 18:00.26 | Armopu | StyXman: you know what can i do ? |
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| 18:01.04 | StyXman | Armopu: distro?> |
| 18:01.08 | Armopu | archlinux |
| 18:01.13 | StyXman | or, did you compile kde? |
| 18:01.15 | StyXman | hmm |
| 18:01.26 | Armopu | i have instaled using pacman -U |
| 18:01.35 | StyXman | based in any other distro? I can keep track of them alll |
| 18:01.53 | StyXman | can't* |
| 18:02.00 | Armopu | i don't know |
| 18:02.11 | Armopu | xD |
| 18:02.31 | adamt | no, not based on any other. not the package system anyways. |
| 18:03.13 | Oleg_ | any people in the eastern U.S. here? Do we have to move the clock one hour forward today? |
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| 18:03.51 | _mattie | hi |
| 18:04.09 | _mattie | ? |
| 18:04.17 | StyXman | Armopu: hmm, try running it from a terminal, usling LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 18:04.21 | _mattie | wow! kde! |
| 18:04.48 | _mattie | haha sorry; im over enthusiastic! i only just found this thing out...be4 ive been using kopete and kmess 2 chat |
| 18:04.54 | _mattie | now i found this :P... |
| 18:05.12 | _mattie | plz tell me ur all real ppl and im not just talking 2 computers |
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| 18:06.05 | Oleg_ | what will change if I compile kdelibs and kdebase with the --disable-dependecies option? |
| 18:06.11 | Oleg_ | what will I gain or lose? |
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| 18:06.22 | _mattie | ok i take it that u r ppl and u dont want 2 know me... |
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| 18:06.56 | StyXman | mattie_: uhm? |
| 18:06.58 | coredumped | i get that error doing the make to the konversation svn, what can i do? |
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| 18:07.17 | mattie_ | hehe |
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| 18:07.29 | StyXman | coredumped: you might get too deep in svn |
| 18:07.41 | Armopu | StyXman: how i do it ? |
| 18:07.41 | mattie_ | oh...and be4 u say anything im a girl.. |
| 18:07.45 | coredumped | æ? |
| 18:07.46 | mattie_ | um... |
| 18:08.05 | mattie_ | what is this? a linux configuation room or something? |
| 18:08.24 | coredumped | mattie_: http://www.kde.org |
| 18:08.32 | mattie_ | what? |
| 18:08.43 | straw | it's a channel. rooms are for aol |
| 18:08.53 | StyXman | Armopu: open a konsole or xterm |
| 18:08.57 | mattie_ | i c... |
| 18:09.08 | Oleg_ | mattie_: yeah, and we are all true gentlemen |
| 18:09.11 | straw | the particular topic here is KDE |
| 18:09.12 | mattie_ | haha |
| 18:09.14 | mattie_ | oh ok |
| 18:09.16 | Oleg_ | mattie_: ready to help a lady |
| 18:09.17 | StyXman | Armopu: $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/kde/lib kcontrol |
| 18:09.18 | mattie_ | haha |
| 18:09.19 | adamt | =) |
| 18:09.22 | mattie_ | :) |
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| 18:09.31 | mattie_ | oh in that case... |
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| 18:09.44 | mattie_ | any1 know how 2 "find" WINE after installation? |
| 18:09.59 | mattie_ | im kinda in a mess 'cause i have it installed. shell reads it; but i cant find it |
| 18:10.04 | adamt | mattie_: this is called ``IRC'', http://irchelp.org/ for more info =) |
| 18:10.08 | StyXman | mattie_: how did you installed it? |
| 18:10.22 | mattie_ | well... |
| 18:10.25 | StyXman | mattie_: but you better move into #wine or something |
| 18:10.27 | adamt | you don't have to find it as long as it's in your path |
| 18:10.31 | mattie_ | its more my brother that installed it 4 me :p |
| 18:10.32 | mattie_ | ok |
| 18:10.37 | adamt | but: whereis wine in a shell.. try that |
| 18:10.41 | mattie_ | ok |
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| 18:10.55 | relentlessslacke | mattie_ ----> /which wine |
| 18:10.59 | mattie_ | i so love linux :) its much better than XP...haha...i moved a few months back |
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| 18:11.02 | relentlessslacke | mattie_ ----> $ which wine |
| 18:11.05 | Armopu | StyXman: it returns the same error |
| 18:11.05 | Armopu | kcontrol: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by /opt/kde/lib/libkhtml.so.4) |
| 18:11.05 | mattie_ | ? |
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| 18:11.27 | mattie_ | ok...whereis just came up with some stuff |
| 18:11.31 | mattie_ | thx |
| 18:11.33 | relentlessslacke | mattie_ ----> $ which wine - this will tell you where your wine binary resides |
| 18:11.38 | mattie_ | ok |
| 18:12.43 | mattie_ | wow...its like having a living online service... |
| 18:12.46 | mattie_ | :) |
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| 18:13.44 | relentlessslacke | that's one of the paradoxes. they've got a propr. software and provide a low level support, we've gut an open-source and response is much better )) |
| 18:13.57 | mattie_ | yeah |
| 18:13.58 | StyXman | Armopu: seems like a packaging problem |
| 18:14.10 | Armopu | ok... |
| 18:14.14 | mattie_ | still...Unix is better...although i prefer linux 2 mac |
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| 18:14.24 | mattie_ | ive had bad "xp" with macs |
| 18:16.24 | anjumbutt | me too |
| 18:16.28 | mattie_ | :) |
| 18:17.23 | mattie_ | oh...the one prob ive had with suse; is that well...IRC...whats with it? i mean, i love chat rooms and stuff but is it like this, or like ICQ; and why cant i seem 2 connect 2 it? |
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| 18:23.21 | Miguelzinho | where I block popups in konqueror? coming from gnome :-) |
| 18:24.06 | Miguelzinho | I only found that i can open popups in new tabs, but this not the behavior that I want |
| 18:24.07 | straw | Miguelzinho: that's coming with kde 3.5 |
| 18:24.22 | straw | oh pop ups |
| 18:24.45 | straw | i read ads for some reason. it's in the setting |
| 18:25.00 | straw | settings, even |
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| 18:25.15 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | hi |
| 18:25.25 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | just a little _bug_ report, and fix |
| 18:25.53 | Miguelzinho | where I can find a "what is new" in kde 3.5? |
| 18:26.30 | mattie_ | hi small |
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| 18:27.01 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | if starting network (ifconf etc) fails on boot then kde seems to hang on "Initialising system services" then stops starting up and hangs on the background, the fix is to do ifup -a as root in a virtual terminal |
| 18:27.21 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | then restart x (ctrl+alt+backspace) |
| 18:27.47 | mattie_ | welll...im out of here. bye guys; im gonna leave in true girly fashion ;) bye xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 18:28.06 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | :o |
| 18:28.23 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | a girl on a big support channel... anomoly! |
| 18:28.32 | mattie_ | haha |
| 18:28.38 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | (good for you btw) |
| 18:28.39 | mattie_ | byeeeeees...im off 2 kopete |
| 18:28.42 | mattie_ | :) |
| 18:29.02 | mattie_ | i think ill leave this window up just in case haha |
| 18:29.09 | mattie_ | *minimises window* |
| 18:30.31 | straw | Miguelzinho: this should give you a good idea of what's coming in 3.5 http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/17-08-05.html |
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| 18:33.39 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | i dont know who that bug should go to, but now you all know and can pass on to anyone with same problem |
| 18:35.02 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | cya |
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| 18:38.17 | oneforall | hmm tried chmod -x /opt/kde/bin/artsd but the mplayer-plugin still didn't work :) |
| 18:38.44 | StyXman | oneforall: did you tried kmplayer? |
| 18:38.54 | StyXman | integrates better into konqueror |
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| 18:39.33 | straw | hi annma |
| 18:39.57 | annma | hi! |
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| 18:42.20 | evilmegaman | Hi |
| 18:42.43 | evilmegaman | I have a question, How do I login to gnome using KDM? |
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| 18:43.41 | annma | ask in your distro channel |
| 18:43.49 | evilmegaman | They told me to come here :P |
| 18:43.57 | annma | who are they? |
| 18:44.10 | annma | what is your distro? |
| 18:44.16 | Oleg_ | will I gain anything if I enable --without-dependencies during configuring of kdelibs? |
| 18:44.17 | evilmegaman | Well one guy told me to come here :P slackware is my distro |
| 18:44.28 | annma | oh man |
| 18:44.38 | annma | Oleg_: bah, leave the options alone |
| 18:44.43 | annma | Oleg_: did you get arts? |
| 18:44.53 | oneforall | yeah but I didn't bother recompiling kmplayer had no real need for it . still don't . :) |
| 18:45.14 | annma | evilmegaman: it's quite evil to use kdm to log into gnome |
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| 18:45.23 | annma | not sure kdm is up to it you know |
| 18:45.33 | Oleg_ | annma: no, I will never compile arts again |
| 18:45.42 | annma | Oleg_: no? |
| 18:45.49 | Oleg_ | annma: arts couldn't let amarok work |
| 18:45.52 | annma | so if you don't have arts |
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| 18:46.00 | Oleg_ | annma: I don't need arts |
| 18:46.04 | annma | use configure --without-arts or something |
| 18:46.27 | evilmegaman | anma, you mean kdm isn't able to log in to gnome? |
| 18:46.41 | annma | evilmegaman: it is probably |
| 18:46.44 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 18:46.45 | annma | but why kdm? |
| 18:46.50 | oneforall | evilmegaman why not use gdm |
| 18:47.02 | annma | evilmegaman: you installed kde packages that you won't use |
| 18:47.03 | evilmegaman | Because I don't know how to use gdm instead of kdm :( |
| 18:47.06 | annma | tons of kde |
| 18:47.11 | annma | oh man |
| 18:47.16 | annma | ask in #slackware |
| 18:47.20 | evilmegaman | Okay |
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| 18:47.49 | oneforall | evilmegaman gdm is the default in rc.4 |
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| 18:48.06 | oneforall | lgoins just basicly the same as kdm |
| 18:48.13 | oneforall | lgoins/logins |
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| 18:48.43 | oneforall | evilmegaman edit the run level from 3 to 4 |
| 18:49.05 | evilmegaman | :) thanks annma :D back to slackware now |
| 18:49.16 | annma | good luck! |
| 18:49.22 | oneforall | joe/vi wich ever editor /etc/inittab |
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| 18:52.24 | evilmegaman | wait oneforall, That's exactly what I did :| or maybe it wasn't I will check |
| 18:53.06 | oneforall | mind you if you have 10.2 gnome is removed :) |
| 18:53.26 | Enforcer_JB | Hey everybody |
| 18:53.36 | annma | KDE's mascot is Konqui the dragon, because dragons' favourite food is gnomes. |
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| 18:53.49 | Enforcer_JB | is anybody using the gtk-qt-engine with KDE 3.4.2 and having black borders in all Gtk apps? |
| 18:53.54 | Enforcer_JB | except Firefox/Mozilla |
| 18:54.02 | Enforcer_JB | Is there anything I can do to fix this? |
| 18:54.07 | Oleg_ | what the hell? mplayer needs arts? |
| 18:54.17 | Oleg_ | mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libartsc.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:54.30 | Enforcer_JB | Oleg_, if it's been compiled with arts support, yes |
| 18:54.40 | oneforall | mplayer doesn't need arts . it can run with art,alsa,alsa-oss,oss,esd etc |
| 18:54.40 | Oleg_ | oh man |
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| 18:55.33 | evilmegaman | ohh |
| 18:55.33 | evilmegaman | Yeah I have 10.2 |
| 18:55.33 | evilmegaman | let's go to slackware |
| 18:55.42 | oneforall | welll even if its compiled with it ti can still run with out tha error |
| 18:55.47 | annma | Oleg_: lol |
| 18:55.52 | oneforall | mplayer -ao alsa |
| 18:55.53 | Oleg_ | :) |
| 18:56.01 | oneforall | and put it in the config |
| 18:56.18 | oneforall | or me I have it global too in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
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| 18:56.36 | Oleg_ | mplayer "Il tempo se ne va.mp3" -speed 0.79 -ao alsa |
| 18:56.36 | Oleg_ | mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libartsc.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:56.52 | annma | Oleg_: yeah, poor you |
| 18:56.56 | annma | use amarok |
| 18:56.58 | Oleg_ | and arts have been disabled for a long time |
| 18:57.15 | Oleg_ | amarok doesn't have the speed option |
| 18:57.28 | mattie_ | oh oh! i seem 2 have lost kaffiene |
| 18:57.29 | oneforall | weird mine is compiled with arts I have arts off and it never uses it . I have it use alsa |
| 18:57.30 | mattie_ | any1 help me? |
| 18:57.59 | mattie_ | it was when my brother was doing some kind of installation on shell 2 give me dc++, and he almost trashed my pc |
| 18:58.02 | oneforall | mplayer -ao alsa try adding it here then the file.mp3 |
| 18:58.25 | Oleg_ | doesn't work either |
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| 18:58.49 | anjumbutt | hi, can someone tell me if they've had any experiences with simplekde ? |
| 18:59.14 | Oleg_ | This error happened after I removed my arts directory from ld.so.conf |
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| 18:59.33 | Oleg_ | but in that directory, I have kdelibs also |
| 18:59.58 | Oleg_ | kdelibs-3.4.0 |
| 19:00.19 | Oleg_ | but now I am compiling kdelibs-3.4.91 |
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| 19:00.35 | annma | Oleg_: are you sure you actually know what you are doing? |
| 19:00.48 | Oleg_ | and ld.so.conf contains the dir for kdelibs-3.4.91 |
| 19:01.36 | Oleg_ | I am not sure if adding the old kde lib back to ld.so.conf won't intefere with compiling and installing beta1 |
| 19:02.38 | anjumbutt | hi, can someone tell me if they've had any experiences with simplekde ? |
| 19:02.39 | Oleg_ | will it or will it not? |
| 19:02.55 | sharkk | ho un hd collegato con la usb da 153GB, quando prova a trasferire i dati raggiunge al massimo 1 MB/sec, ho provato a modificare l'opzione sync ma non č cambiato nulla |
| 19:03.17 | AnalogTek | ok |
| 19:03.30 | sharkk | ops |
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| 19:04.17 | annma | anjumbutt: simplekde? what is it? |
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| 19:04.45 | anjumbutt | www.simplekde.org |
| 19:05.23 | adamt | annma: same concept as gentoo's split ebuilds almost :P |
| 19:05.28 | adamt | you wont like it ;) |
| 19:05.29 | annma | oh my |
| 19:05.33 | annma | oh no! |
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| 19:05.56 | annma | I bet they don't offer suprot |
| 19:05.58 | Oleg_ | faints in this case means what? |
| 19:06.02 | annma | supports |
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| 19:06.09 | annma | I fell |
| 19:06.21 | annma | you know, what women do |
| 19:06.31 | annma | in films |
| 19:06.42 | annma | hmm, out of topic |
| 19:06.45 | adamt | when they want a hero on a white horse to walk by :P |
| 19:06.50 | annma | lol |
| 19:07.04 | Oleg_ | yeah, it's good to be so feminine |
| 19:07.05 | annma | anjumbutt: so what is your problem with this simplekde? |
| 19:07.19 | Oleg_ | reminds of the book "Gone With the Wind" |
| 19:07.43 | vbhanu | someone please explain this to me.......i have been using amarok for a great amount of time as vbhanu user and all of a sudden one fine day it starts crashing |
| 19:07.50 | AnalogTek | speakin' of math... I better get back to calc & physics. |
| 19:07.53 | vbhanu | someone tells me to try as someother user |
| 19:08.01 | vbhanu | i try it and bingo it works |
| 19:08.37 | vbhanu | so what i do is save some data that is there in vbhanu like the dirs .gaim .mozilla .thunderbird .xinitrc .bashrc .pinerc |
| 19:08.39 | vbhanu | mail |
| 19:08.45 | annma | vbhanu: so if you want to come back to your user just rm .kde/share/config/amarokrc and .kde/share/apps/amarok/* |
| 19:08.51 | vbhanu | these are the things that i saved |
| 19:08.52 | annma | in your home |
| 19:09.03 | anjumbutt | i was curious, they say that it is to become an official kde project |
| 19:09.04 | vbhanu | and then i deleted the whole user |
| 19:09.13 | annma | vbhanu: see what I wrote, it'll be easier |
| 19:09.17 | annma | oh my |
| 19:09.20 | vbhanu | annma: no no it did not help |
| 19:09.23 | annma | vbhanu: drastik |
| 19:09.27 | annma | no?> |
| 19:09.33 | vbhanu | i infact deleted the whole .kde dir |
| 19:09.37 | vbhanu | but to no help |
| 19:09.41 | anjumbutt | *part |
| 19:09.45 | annma | oh my, never do that, never |
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| 19:09.56 | annma | anjumbutt: I would not count on that |
| 19:10.02 | vbhanu | now see the magic what i did was delete the user and then recreated it |
| 19:10.07 | annma | anjumbutt: I belong to kde official and never heard of it |
| 19:10.19 | vbhanu | now i brought back the dirs, files that i gave above |
| 19:10.22 | annma | anjumbutt: it refeers to the QUality Team which is quite inexistant |
| 19:10.27 | vbhanu | and again amarok crashes |
| 19:10.46 | vbhanu | but now i am wokring as the user bhanu and amarok works like heaven |
| 19:10.49 | anjumbutt | ok |
| 19:10.58 | vbhanu | i am about to bang my head somewhere :) |
| 19:11.04 | vbhanu | it is damn surprising |
| 19:11.13 | anjumbutt | so you're saying that its all going to trash? |
| 19:11.16 | vbhanu | coz i am not able to explain it |
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| 19:11.38 | vbhanu | seems so |
| 19:12.09 | annma | anjumbutt: well, see yourself, do they announce today that 3.5beta1 is out? |
| 19:12.16 | annma | do they provide packages? |
| 19:12.39 | annma | they had 2 weeks to do so as the code was frozen |
| 19:12.42 | oneforall | Oleg_ hmm I just moved the lib out and yeah even with -ao alsa etc its still loks for it and crashes. Even thou it doesn't need to use it or does |
| 19:12.48 | anjumbutt | true |
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| 19:13.04 | oneforall | does/do0esn't |
| 19:13.08 | oneforall | thats weird |
| 19:13.10 | vbhanu | the problem is this : i am a student so i have to access many servers everyday and everywhere my login is vbhanu so from now on whenever i do ssh i wud have to do ssh vbhanu@server which i consider a pain coz otherwise it wud be simply ssh server |
| 19:13.13 | annma | as I said I never heard of it and I am on pretty much all important kde mailing lists |
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| 19:14.16 | bc-bd | vbhanu: afaik ssh_config might help |
| 19:14.24 | anjumbutt | ok |
| 19:14.56 | anjumbutt | so tell me, what is the status of kde 4? |
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| 19:17.47 | annma | anjumbutt: it'll be out in something like 1 year |
| 19:18.01 | PhilRod | ~kde4-buzz |
| 19:18.03 | apt | KDE 4 is currently for developers only. See: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html |
| 19:18.03 | annma | status is being ported to qt4 and to several new things |
| 19:18.13 | _daniel | hi |
| 19:18.14 | PhilRod | anjumbutt: take a look at that article |
| 19:18.15 | annma | PhilRod: wow |
| 19:18.17 | PhilRod | hi _daniel |
| 19:18.21 | annma | cool cool |
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| 19:18.33 | rrichie | when i click on Devices in configuration in kopete in kde3.5 it crashed saying :unable to resolve GL/GLX symbols - please check your GL library installation. |
| 19:18.38 | rrichie | has anyone an idea? |
| 19:18.59 | annma | kopete has devices? |
| 19:19.12 | annma | did you check your GL lib install? |
| 19:19.12 | vbhanu | bc-bd: thank you for that but if u cud go thru my problem then it is not just that the most important part is that i am surprised at the unexpected results |
| 19:19.19 | rrichie | for webcam it seems |
| 19:19.32 | rrichie | annma : yes i can play with opengl games |
| 19:19.44 | annma | what distro is that? |
| 19:19.50 | rrichie | and glxinfo says direct rendering yes |
| 19:19.52 | rrichie | ubuntu* |
| 19:19.52 | PhilRod | rrichie: what distro, how did you install? |
| 19:20.01 | _daniel | does anybody know when there will be suse rpms of 3.5 beta? |
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| 19:20.12 | rrichie | ubuntu with the package from kde.org |
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| 19:21.29 | anjumbutt | actually, i was thinking about what kde will use from freedesktop.org's standards and softwares |
| 19:21.30 | rrichie | don't know what's wrong |
| 19:21.30 | oneforall | Oleg_] still here ? |
| 19:21.40 | anjumbutt | things like electra |
| 19:21.49 | anjumbutt | things like elektra |
| 19:22.02 | annma | anjumbutt: kde already uses LOTS of freedesktop standards |
| 19:22.06 | anjumbutt | glitz, cairo |
| 19:22.10 | anjumbutt | and others |
| 19:22.11 | annma | and we're goig to use more and more |
| 19:22.32 | PhilRod | dbus will probably be used (is that fd.o?) |
| 19:22.37 | PhilRod | what's elektra? |
| 19:22.59 | annma | dbus is fd.o |
| 19:23.11 | annma | we also follow .desktop standards |
| 19:23.14 | PhilRod | whether cairo will be used is probably down to Qt. Something in my mind suggests that Trolltech are planning to add support for it |
| 19:23.22 | PhilRod | the XDG menu |
| 19:23.25 | annma | yes, I heard that too |
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| 19:23.49 | PhilRod | _daniel: not yet. Keep watching on appeal.kde.org - it'll probably appear there |
| 19:23.51 | _daniel | i ve read that oxygen will be in 3.5? |
| 19:23.54 | PhilRod | no |
| 19:24.00 | PhilRod | I don't think so, anyway |
| 19:24.13 | annma | not heard of that |
| 19:24.24 | PhilRod | though I missed the talk about it at akademy, so I'm not completely sure |
| 19:24.34 | annma | no, it's not in |
| 19:24.46 | annma | it was barely started at akademy |
| 19:24.53 | sredna | Hello * |
| 19:25.00 | annma | besides it's even not sure it'll be in kde4 |
| 19:25.22 | PhilRod | hey sredna :-) |
| 19:25.29 | sredna | How are you all? |
| 19:25.51 | texnofobix | dead\ |
| 19:25.56 | anjumbutt | PhilRod, elektra is a substitue for config files |
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| 19:26.15 | anjumbutt | its a freedesktop's proposed component |
| 19:26.19 | scx_ | Hello, |
| 19:26.32 | PhilRod | hi scode |
| 19:26.32 | annma | anjumbutt: we did not choose everything yet, we are porting to qt4 and changing the build system at the moment |
| 19:26.36 | PhilRod | gah, tab completion |
| 19:26.38 | PhilRod | hi scx_ |
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| 19:27.04 | IceD^ | http://www.gaspowered.com/ds2/ doesn't show at all at konqueror |
| 19:27.26 | anjumbutt | can i try porting the config system to elektra? |
| 19:27.37 | PhilRod | anjumbutt: I haven't heard of it, so I suppose it's not currently planned to include it, but that could change (and of course, if you'd like to, you're welcome to) |
| 19:27.38 | annma | anjumbutt: wew, man |
| 19:27.42 | PhilRod | oh, heh, sure |
| 19:27.51 | PhilRod | not an easy job, but it should be possible |
| 19:27.52 | annma | anjumbutt: you could mail kde-core-devel about it maybe |
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| 19:28.24 | texnofobix | i'm looking forward to the Ohio Linux Fest |
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| 19:28.35 | PhilRod | something in my mind says that it's (vaguely) possible to have multiple backends for KConfig, so it might not even be horrendously difficult |
| 19:28.38 | annma | IceD^: it's Dungeon Siege 2 |
| 19:28.45 | annma | that I see at your url |
| 19:29.27 | IceD^ | annma: yes |
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| 19:29.32 | PhilRod | anjumbutt: I'd suggest the following: read up the API docs (at developer.kde.org) on KConfig - I think that's the main relevant class (annma, is that right?). See if it says anything there about backends |
| 19:29.40 | annma | IceD^: I se it in konqi, kde 3.5 |
| 19:30.05 | PhilRod | anjumbutt: also, ask in #kde-devel - someone might have better information than me, or other thoughts on the idea |
| 19:30.06 | anjumbutt | oh sorry, my mistake, elektra wasn't on freedesktop.org |
| 19:30.07 | IceD^ | kde3.5 as well here |
| 19:30.13 | IceD^ | hmm |
| 19:30.23 | annma | svn today here |
| 19:30.24 | IceD^ | I see only background picture |
| 19:30.25 | anjumbutt | http://elektra.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:30.35 | IceD^ | ahh |
| 19:30.44 | IceD^ | I'm using a1 tarballs |
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| 19:30.46 | annma | me too, IceD^ |
| 19:30.53 | annma | is there anything else? |
| 19:31.10 | texnofobix | i dont see it |
| 19:31.12 | annma | anjumbutt: if not on freedesktop then I am not sure why we would choose it |
| 19:31.15 | xbeanx | How do I get KDE to automatically mount my USB memory key? Right now it shows up in media:/ but doesn't mount. |
| 19:31.30 | annma | xbeanx: your distro should do that |
| 19:31.35 | anjumbutt | if you could check it out |
| 19:31.45 | texnofobix | xbeanx: which distro? |
| 19:32.12 | anjumbutt | i think its really good thing |
| 19:32.13 | IceD^ | hmm |
| 19:32.20 | IceD^ | strange |
| 19:32.33 | annma | anjumbutt: if you want to work on it and proposes it for kde send a mail to kde-core-devel |
| 19:32.43 | annma | state the advantages over the current system |
| 19:32.59 | IceD^ | oh |
| 19:33.03 | IceD^ | it showed it |
| 19:33.08 | IceD^ | after ~4 minutes |
| 19:33.17 | IceD^ | probably because of slow connection... |
| 19:33.23 | IceD^ | but mozilla showed it fast |
| 19:33.28 | IceD^ | nah |
| 19:34.03 | PhilRod | anjumbutt: if you can provide (the beginnings of) a working implementation, it may become "de facto" adopted. That is to say, either it will be integrated into KDE proper, or perhaps distros will ship it as a patch or plugin |
| 19:34.28 | PhilRod | anjumbutt: code speaks a lot louder than words in KDE |
| 19:34.42 | PhilRod | that's not to say, of course, that you shouldn't announce what you're trying to do :-) |
| 19:35.11 | texnofobix | i hate the registry in windows |
| 19:35.19 | annma | yeah, me too |
| 19:35.26 | anjumbutt | ok |
| 19:35.29 | adamt | i hate to do math late in the evening =/ |
| 19:35.39 | annma | I htink KDE will adopt a standard adopted by others as wel |
| 19:35.43 | anjumbutt | will start working on it |
| 19:35.43 | texnofobix | anjumbutt: if they can pull it off and not be like Doze it might be good |
| 19:35.48 | adamt | texnofobix: yeah. .. me too, on wrong click and you might as well reinstall windows =) |
| 19:35.53 | annma | anjumbutt: is Gnome going for elektra? |
| 19:36.11 | texnofobix | adamt: what time is it there? |
| 19:36.21 | xbeanx | annma: I'm using Mandriva.. I thought it was a KDE thing.. |
| 19:36.22 | PhilRod | unless I misunderstand what that page says, it's nothing like the windows registry (thank goodness) |
| 19:36.34 | anjumbutt | can someone tell me where to look for config file reading / writing code |
| 19:36.40 | adamt | texnofobix: quarter to ten |
| 19:36.42 | anjumbutt | dont know |
| 19:36.47 | texnofobix | europe eh :P |
| 19:36.49 | Sho_ | gnome is going with elektra? wow, that's pretty cool |
| 19:36.51 | anjumbutt | gnome's stuck in their gconf |
| 19:36.51 | adamt | yup |
| 19:36.58 | Maneit | adamt: What a nice timezone ;p |
| 19:37.10 | annma | Sho_: !!! I asked!!! I did not say it was!!!! |
| 19:37.15 | anjumbutt | elektra is very light compared to gconf |
| 19:37.19 | Sho_ | ah :) |
| 19:37.22 | annma | Sho_: don't misinterprete |
| 19:37.30 | texnofobix | anjumbutt: are you a developer for elektra? |
| 19:37.43 | annma | ;) he looks like one |
| 19:38.03 | anjumbutt | not officially |
| 19:38.11 | anjumbutt | seekHim, i'm this LFSer |
| 19:38.15 | Sho_ | well, I always thought elektra was a rather nice design ... there are two things I would love to see in future Linux systems, launchd and standardized config storage |
| 19:38.15 | Maneit | Whats electra? :) |
| 19:38.19 | adamt | wont all this frontends slow down the machines in the long run? |
| 19:38.38 | anjumbutt | whos grown sick of having to remove these .config fiels |
| 19:38.50 | annma | anjumbutt: so what project already adopted elektra? |
| 19:38.51 | texnofobix | why not throw it all into a sql database :P |
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| 19:39.05 | Maneit | Whats electra? (: |
| 19:39.13 | annma | elektra |
| 19:39.18 | annma | linux registry |
| 19:39.22 | Maneit | hmm |
| 19:39.25 | marjom | why if i click a html link in an app is the page downloaded instead of opened in konqi? |
| 19:39.28 | Sho_ | I wish xorg-x11 would run with elektra, then both KDE and Gnome would have it a lot easier to chose to use it |
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| 19:39.35 | Maneit | annma: what would be the practical benefit? |
| 19:39.43 | annma | Maneit: no idea, ask anjumbutt |
| 19:39.52 | annma | Maneit: he is the specialist |
| 19:39.57 | Maneit | anjumbutt: what would be the practical benefits of using electra? :) |
| 19:40.00 | anjumbutt | none that i know of at the moment |
| 19:40.04 | Maneit | elektra* |
| 19:40.10 | annma | anjumbutt: that's a downside |
| 19:40.14 | texnofobix | :/ |
| 19:40.17 | anjumbutt | but elektra people provided patches for X |
| 19:40.22 | Sho_ | Maneit: The elektra page: http://elektra.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:40.26 | anjumbutt | and they worked really fine |
| 19:40.30 | Maneit | Sho_: thanks |
| 19:40.40 | texnofobix | like 300 grit paper? |
| 19:40.41 | texnofobix | :P |
| 19:40.45 | annma | make it adopted by freedesktop.org |
| 19:40.48 | texnofobix | *sandpaper |
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| 19:41.40 | anjumbutt | i really like the idea that elektra gives |
| 19:42.00 | bc-bd | anjumbutt: does it provide an ldap or database backend? |
| 19:42.22 | anjumbutt | a unified method for accessing configurations |
| 19:42.22 | Maneit | it's a great idea :> |
| 19:42.31 | texnofobix | "Is NOT something that accesses SQL/relational databases." |
| 19:42.32 | anjumbutt | they were working on it |
| 19:42.36 | bc-bd | anjumbutt: yes, and does it provide the ability to store those in an ldap backend |
| 19:42.36 | texnofobix | it should |
| 19:42.46 | bc-bd | if not dont bother |
| 19:42.52 | anjumbutt | that can be done |
| 19:42.55 | Maneit | Linux really needs to be unified in certain areas if it's going to hit mainstream desktop :> |
| 19:42.55 | texnofobix | i've not have much luck setting up ldap |
| 19:42.57 | bc-bd | kde needs an enterprise scale management system |
| 19:43.12 | anjumbutt | bc-bd |
| 19:43.21 | bc-bd | then it will kick gnome out of the game |
| 19:43.22 | anjumbutt | thats exactly what i feel |
| 19:43.25 | bc-bd | gnome tried it |
| 19:43.28 | texnofobix | i'm an MIS major |
| 19:43.32 | bc-bd | with gconf, but they failed badly |
| 19:43.51 | Maneit | and what does a "enterprise scale management system" do? :) |
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| 19:43.55 | texnofobix | linux needs a SMS system too? |
| 19:44.33 | texnofobix | bc-bd: you mean like remote configure control w/ GUI eh? |
| 19:44.40 | annma | so guys, when do you start working on all that? |
| 19:44.58 | annma | because kde is done by guys like you and gals like me |
| 19:44.58 | texnofobix | i can't code |
| 19:45.03 | annma | ah ah ah |
| 19:45.03 | anjumbutt | well i've got sources for kde 3.4.2 |
| 19:45.05 | texnofobix | i went from CpE to MIS :( |
| 19:45.06 | annma | I can't code |
| 19:45.10 | bc-bd | texnofobix: yes |
| 19:45.15 | Maneit | annma: shortly after I've made the "hello world" KDE dialog compile! Can't be much harder, can it? :P |
| 19:45.15 | annma | that's so lame |
| 19:45.25 | bc-bd | texnofobix: although a guis is not a requirment per se |
| 19:45.26 | anjumbutt | i'm still trying to find where to put the elektra code |
| 19:45.26 | annma | Maneit: :) |
| 19:45.27 | texnofobix | well ican code |
| 19:45.28 | PhilRod | annma: you can't, but you do anyway? :-) |
| 19:45.33 | annma | lol |
| 19:45.35 | annma | yes! |
| 19:45.40 | annma | that's the spirit |
| 19:45.43 | texnofobix | i'm doing VB.net and C# for job and work |
| 19:45.56 | texnofobix | and php on the side |
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| 19:46.02 | adamt | annma: a bit like the drivers without license who eventually kill someone? :o |
| 19:46.04 | annma | texnofobix: a bit of C++ outside will refresh you |
| 19:46.10 | PhilRod | texnofobix: there's so much more to software than coding |
| 19:46.19 | annma | adamt: lol, no, no major risk here |
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| 19:46.26 | annma | community is watching |
| 19:46.32 | texnofobix | well the stuff i'm doing now is SQL integration |
| 19:46.36 | Sho_ | gotta love peer review |
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| 19:46.40 | annma | texnofobix: well, write docs! |
| 19:46.47 | PhilRod | well, existing software anyway. Take KDE: we have coders, documenters, translators, artists, user support-type people, promo people, ... |
| 19:46.49 | Sho_ | texnofobix: Looks like C# 3.0 is gonna make that easier for you |
| 19:46.51 | texnofobix | i emailed them and never got a response |
| 19:46.56 | texnofobix | i hate MS |
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| 19:47.12 | texnofobix | the only good thing of .NET is datagrids |
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| 19:47.57 | texnofobix | so what in the KDE development area is easy as C# and VB.net? |
| 19:48.10 | stwn | i don't know what datagrid is :-/ |
| 19:48.21 | annma | texnofobix: writing docs, bugs triage |
| 19:48.24 | adamt | PyQt or ruby-Qt? :P |
| 19:48.36 | annma | and C++ itself |
| 19:48.43 | texnofobix | i rather use more of a OOP |
| 19:48.47 | adamt | C++ isn't easy :( |
| 19:48.54 | annma | a breathe |
| 19:48.55 | adamt | texnofobix: oop? |
| 19:49.04 | annma | oriented object prog |
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| 19:49.08 | adamt | annma: i promise to look into it soon =) |
| 19:49.09 | texnofobix | Object Oriented P.. |
| 19:49.10 | texnofobix | yep |
| 19:49.24 | adamt | texnofobix: both python and ruby are OOP |
| 19:49.24 | texnofobix | i've taken 2 c++ classes |
| 19:49.43 | texnofobix | i've seen python .. its a whole new syntax |
| 19:49.52 | adamt | of course |
| 19:49.54 | annma | yu have to want to collaborate to an open source project first |
| 19:49.55 | texnofobix | ruby is a c type language |
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| 19:50.11 | adamt | texnofobix: c-type? ... |
| 19:50.14 | texnofobix | annma: very true if I had time |
| 19:50.22 | annma | we all have time |
| 19:50.22 | texnofobix | c like c++, c#,php |
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| 19:50.33 | Maneit | c-like synthax, then? |
| 19:50.34 | adamt | no, ruby isn't c-type |
| 19:50.34 | annma | you just have to want it |
| 19:50.45 | texnofobix | i have weekends only |
| 19:50.48 | adamt | =) |
| 19:50.52 | annma | so? |
| 19:51.00 | annma | what do you think we have? |
| 19:51.18 | annma | some are students but some are not |
| 19:51.30 | texnofobix | 19 credit hours, 2-15 hr |
| 19:51.35 | Maneit | adamt: uni? |
| 19:51.42 | texnofobix | i'd love to contribute somethign but I havent found what |
| 19:51.51 | texnofobix | or anything I'm capable of :( |
| 19:52.01 | adamt | Maneit: no, more like college |
| 19:52.22 | Maneit | adamt: ah.. what's it's name? |
| 19:52.24 | PhilRod | texnofobix: seriously, just jump in anywhere you can find - you'll quickly find loads of things to do |
| 19:52.41 | Sho_ | texnofobix: Google for "KDE Junior Jobs" |
| 19:52.52 | annma | texnofobix: start with a few bugs or jj jobs on kde bugs |
| 19:52.58 | annma | Sho_: :) |
| 19:53.00 | texnofobix | i will do ... btw I really like this calendar thign it works great with Kontact http://dsouers.homeip.net/~nemo3383/cal/ |
| 19:53.04 | PhilRod | texnofobix: find an app you like (start with a small one), and look through the bugs list for it. Can you reproduce the bugs there? Do they make sense? Do you need more info to understand them? |
| 19:53.07 | annma | Sho_: take five! |
| 19:53.11 | adamt | Maneit: i'm from denmark, we don't even have college, only school, high school and uni, high school is equal to college in the states |
| 19:53.14 | Sho_ | annma: ^5 :) |
| 19:53.32 | annma | :) |
| 19:53.39 | Maneit | adamt: if you remember, I'm from norway, so we probably have the same schoolsystem? :> |
| 19:53.49 | texnofobix | well i guess i do contribute to kde and linux .. I invite ppl to try it |
| 19:53.52 | texnofobix | ;) |
| 19:54.11 | PhilRod | texnofobix: if there's something simple, have a go at fixing it or implementing it (if it's a wishlist) |
| 19:54.39 | adamt | Maneit: probably |
| 19:54.40 | PhilRod | texnofobix: that's a perfectly valid way to help - you might like to get involved with the promo team |
| 19:54.57 | texnofobix | simple perhaps as long as there are no linked lists .. those start messing with me :( |
| 19:55.00 | PhilRod | texnofobix: they'd love help with promoting 3.5 (have you tried the beta?) |
| 19:55.32 | texnofobix | nope .. i've not tried it due to no packages for my suse box :( |
| 19:56.02 | Maneit | Use the source, young paddawan (sorry, had to) |
| 19:56.10 | texnofobix | i do with gentoo :P |
| 19:56.27 | texnofobix | this is my main box though |
| 19:56.32 | texnofobix | i'll have to get another one :P |
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| 19:56.50 | texnofobix | bbl goign to a comp sci club to promote linux ;) |
| 19:56.59 | adamt | nice |
| 19:57.31 | GoBackThreeSpace | PhilRod: it's been requested that I tell you how much I hate how you forced Marcum18D to come to #politics with his off-the-wall political opinions |
| 19:57.35 | GoBackThreeSpace | so |
| 19:57.46 | GoBackThreeSpace | I really really extremely hate how you forced Marcum18D to come to #politics with his off-the-wall political opinions |
| 19:57.49 | GoBackThreeSpace | thank you |
| 19:58.07 | annma | ? |
| 19:58.13 | PhilRod | um yeah, whatever. Run along now |
| 19:58.13 | adamt | GoBackThreeSpace: watch out, PhilRod is just gonna ban you for hating him :P |
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| 20:05.34 | BiBe | hi, i'm a kde newbie, but have installed kde 3.4 installed on a gentoo based system. when i start it with gdm, it starts but i can't find any application... the start menu folder "all application" e.g. is empty. what is missing? |
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| 20:06.41 | annma | do you use a new user? |
| 20:07.03 | BiBe | it's an existing user, same as i used in gnome for month |
| 20:07.12 | BiBe | but it's new for KDE |
| 20:07.18 | annma | weird |
| 20:07.29 | annma | can you try a new user? |
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| 20:07.49 | wday | Hello, quick question, is it possible to use fish://blah@blahblah:22/ in konsole? |
| 20:07.56 | annma | did you install the whole packages or splitted ebuilds? |
| 20:08.44 | adamt | wday: try? :) |
| 20:09.04 | adamt | BiBe: how did you install it? |
| 20:09.07 | PhilRod | BiBe: rename ~/.config and ~/.local, then restart KDE. Does it work? (it might break you gnome menu, so don't delete them, just rename) |
| 20:09.24 | BiBe | ahh, the new user... ;) how can is start the kde personalizer=? |
| 20:09.28 | wday | adamt, i did that of course :-) but, it didn't work directly, so I was wondering if there was some little trick required |
| 20:09.32 | PhilRod | wday: no, but you could use "kfmclient copy" |
| 20:10.01 | wday | PhilRod, sounds interesting, i'll check that out |
| 20:10.07 | PhilRod | or heck, if you're going to do that, you might as well use scp |
| 20:10.34 | adamt | PhilRod: not the same, you can't browse dirs the same way with scp |
| 20:11.03 | BiBe | i canceled the personlizer when logging in 1st tim with user A, now, with user B i followed the steps, and it works. how can is start the personalizer manually? |
| 20:11.06 | PhilRod | oh, depends what you want to do - I assume he just wanted to copy files - wday? |
| 20:11.14 | PhilRod | BiBe: kpersonalizer |
| 20:12.19 | wday | PhilRod, yes, but what i really wanted to do was 'find -name "*.jpg"' and copy to a directory; in essence, flattening the directory structure |
| 20:12.30 | stwn | \quit |
| 20:12.32 | stwn | quit |
| 20:12.34 | emRick | is there a way to access "Run Command" through a script. maybe through dcop? |
| 20:12.57 | wday | PhilRod, i just realized what a dumbass i am, all i need to do is ssh in and do 'find -name "*.jpg" -exec scp blah blah' |
| 20:12.58 | adamt | emRick: stupid question, why would you want to do that? :o |
| 20:13.07 | wday | sorry about the language |
| 20:13.36 | PhilRod | emRick: dcop kdesktop default popupExecuteCommand |
| 20:14.00 | emRick | adamt: I want to make a process with a process ID that is independent of the invoking script. |
| 20:14.13 | emRick | PhilRod: thanks |
| 20:16.12 | BiBe | hm, ok, it works fine with user B, but with user A it doesn't work after i manually started kpersonalizer and after i moved .config and .local from user A's homedir. what can i do? |
| 20:17.11 | annma | use B? |
| 20:17.33 | adamt | delete ~/.kde from user A and start kde ? |
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| 20:18.51 | PhilRod | don't delete ~/.kde |
| 20:19.04 | adamt | PhilRod: it's a fresh kde-install |
| 20:19.15 | adamt | i knew you would say that =) |
| 20:19.32 | BiBe | i've moved it, too... but it does'n help... |
| 20:19.56 | BiBe | there is a .kde3.4 dir |
| 20:20.09 | PhilRod | try moving that out of the way too |
| 20:20.31 | adamt | kde3.4 should just be a symlink til .kde |
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| 20:21.03 | BiBe | what is in tmp/ksocket-userA ? |
| 20:21.11 | annma | rm it |
| 20:23.37 | BiBe | ok, what is in ~/kde3.4/share ? |
| 20:23.43 | anjumbutt | here's a tip |
| 20:23.49 | BiBe | there is a config dir |
| 20:24.34 | anjumbutt | make sure /tmp/.ICE-unix and /tmp/X11-unix directories exists and are owned by root:root |
| 20:25.13 | anjumbutt | with permissions 0777 |
| 20:25.26 | BiBe | ah, deleting the config files and dirs solved the problem. thx a lot. |
| 20:25.32 | Oleg_ | just woke up. kdelibs are still compiling |
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| 20:26.20 | Oleg_ | or being compiled |
| 20:26.44 | Oleg_ | active or passive voice, I don't know which one is right |
| 20:26.46 | GoBackThreeSpace | several years ago, I tried compiling Lynx on my 486/DX2 66 mHz with 4 megs of RAM |
| 20:26.49 | GoBackThreeSpace | took two fucking weeks |
| 20:26.54 | PhilRod | Oleg_: either is correct |
| 20:27.24 | Oleg_ | oh, really? Great! |
| 20:29.47 | adamt | right now kmplayer integrates into konqueror, but i want kaffeine to do that again.. how do i do that? |
| 20:30.10 | annma | right click on a video |
| 20:30.27 | annma | and in embedded put kaffeine on top instead of kmplayer |
| 20:30.40 | adamt | right |
| 20:30.49 | adamt | thx, never saw that tab before |
| 20:31.51 | annma | :) |
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| 20:32.23 | adamt | i hate KDE, it's to much logic :P |
| 20:32.30 | annma | lol |
| 20:32.56 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | use mplayer :o) |
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| 20:33.29 | adamt | AuReUs_ReCtoR: mplayer doesn't integrate into konqueror |
| 20:33.43 | adamt | kmplayer does, but it's using xine too... it's kinda skitzofrenic |
| 20:33.48 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | u want all in one? :)) |
| 20:34.18 | adamt | great, kaffeine couln't play the file |
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| 20:37.25 | adamt | lol, mplayer says my pc is to slow to play the file.. hmm |
| 20:38.10 | annma | lol |
| 20:38.13 | annma | mplayer is mean |
| 20:38.16 | Phroziac | I seem to have a slight memory leak on KDE. I had it logged in for 16 days, and it was getting a little slow. Is that normal, or maybe it's a sign i should log out sometimes? |
| 20:38.51 | annma | you would need to look what leaks |
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| 20:40.21 | PhilRod | Phroziac: I imagine that KDE doesn't get a lot of testing for long uptimes, so if you can (as annma says) find out what's leaking, it might make a very useful bugreport |
| 20:40.25 | adamt | http://media.zvex.com/impampmusic.mov anybody know what music the dude is testing the gear with? :o |
| 20:41.02 | Phroziac | ok PhilRod. I'm on 3.3 though, so probably a little ancient |
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| 20:41.45 | Phroziac | also, "kmix" is running pretty close to the top of top, sometimes on the top. Any reason for that? |
| 20:43.02 | adamt | haha |
| 20:43.11 | adamt | and konqueror crashed on me again. |
| 20:44.02 | adamt | maybe that was a godlike sign that told me i should get finished with chemistry. |
| 20:45.22 | mattie_ | omg...im still here haha |
| 20:45.29 | mattie_ | well im outta here. good luck guys :) |
| 20:45.35 | adamt | with what? |
| 20:45.48 | mattie_ | au revour ;) |
| 20:45.56 | mattie_ | i cant spell :( |
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| 20:46.29 | mattie_ | byeeeeeeeeeeeeees |
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| 20:47.02 | T-u-N-i-X | hello... i just installed kde 3.4.2 from debian unstable repo... it starts and i configure language settings, theme etc... then the splash screen appears and it freezes... |
| 20:47.12 | T-u-N-i-X | does anybody have an idea ? |
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| 20:49.52 | sredna | T-u-N-i-X: Check if there is a ~/.xsession-errors file, that might contain hints |
| 20:50.05 | T-u-N-i-X | ok |
| 20:50.08 | sredna | It contains the error output from kde |
| 20:50.34 | T-u-N-i-X | hmmm it's overwritten by gnome ? :( |
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| 20:51.03 | T-u-N-i-X | kde freezes the machine during the splash screen appears... i can do nothing |
| 20:51.46 | adamt | make it start in a shell instead of gdm/kdm |
| 20:51.50 | sredna | Try moving the file before logging into gnome |
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| 20:52.00 | sredna | You can do that from a text console |
| 20:52.13 | adamt | ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 20:52.14 | T-u-N-i-X | ok |
| 20:52.44 | T-u-N-i-X | how can i start kde from the console ? startx doesn't work that time because of the defaults.. |
| 20:52.45 | adamt | F7 is normally X if you want to return |
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| 20:59.51 | annma | another gentoo problem solved |
| 21:00.08 | Oleg_ | and now compiling kdebase |
| 21:00.28 | adamt | annma: which one ? ;) |
| 21:00.47 | annma | on building kde a guy had a weird error |
| 21:01.07 | adamt | what was wrong? :o |
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| 21:01.10 | annma | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98762 |
| 21:01.15 | adamt | ok |
| 21:01.20 | adamt | *looking** |
| 21:01.22 | annma | someone in #gentoo-kde found that it was reported |
| 21:02.06 | adamt | i emerged kiso without problems long time ago =) |
| 21:02.25 | annma | duno where the problem is, I did not read it all |
| 21:02.42 | annma | but as I built the same code with success it could not have been kde code |
| 21:03.14 | adamt | probably an ebuild that sucked |
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| 21:06.10 | annma | yes |
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| 21:07.28 | annma | have to go now |
| 21:07.30 | annma | bye all! |
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| 21:08.20 | rrichie | re everyone |
| 21:08.55 | rrichie | I resolved my problems and it seems that webcam detecting in kopete from kde3.5 is buggy |
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| 21:16.25 | PiRX[lv] | i need prog to create image from web page (complete). Any suggestions? |
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| 21:18.30 | adamt | PiRX[lv]: maybe print to file (to pdf or ps) then use imagemagick to convert to jpg or something like that ? |
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| 21:18.50 | ciro | iouno |
| 21:19.05 | PiRX[lv] | adamt, will try, thanks for advice |
| 21:19.05 | adamt | iouno? |
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| 21:20.05 | pinotree | adamt: a possible explanation could be "me one" (ie: "one for me") |
| 21:20.05 | T-u-N-i-X | hello |
| 21:20.13 | T-u-N-i-X | i've got the .xsession-errors log |
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| 21:21.12 | T-u-N-i-X | i can post it to anybody ? |
| 21:21.54 | adamt | T-u-N-i-X: paste it on http://kde.pastebin.com |
| 21:21.56 | pinotree | T-u-N-i-X: use the pastebin as explained in the topic |
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| 21:22.16 | adamt | pinotree: well yeah, but it's not correct italian or anything :P |
| 21:22.39 | pinotree | adamt: well, in that case only a space is missing ;P |
| 21:22.44 | adamt | :P |
| 21:22.53 | pinotree | do you speak italian? |
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| 21:23.23 | adamt | not really, i'm taking italian classes at highschool on 2nd year |
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| 21:23.50 | pinotree | oh |
| 21:23.51 | eisregen | hi =) |
| 21:24.00 | adamt | so.. basic stuff... my name is adam, i live here and there.. etc :P |
| 21:24.01 | pinotree | hello eisregen =) |
| 21:24.13 | pinotree | mmm... |
| 21:24.40 | pinotree | something more: come stai trovando il corso di italiano? =) |
| 21:24.59 | adamt | va bene! :P |
| 21:25.20 | pinotree | eoe |
| 21:25.23 | pinotree | wow! |
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| 21:25.52 | T-u-N-i-X | http://rafb.net/paste/results/glEXlB36.html - here's the log file |
| 21:25.53 | adamt | ma un puņ difficile |
| 21:26.51 | pinotree | yep |
| 21:27.07 | PhilRod | heh, it looks just like French :-) |
| 21:27.18 | adamt | italian is way easier |
| 21:27.24 | pinotree | yep |
| 21:27.31 | adamt | not all the stupid rules of pronounciation |
| 21:27.38 | T-u-N-i-X | http://rafb.net/paste/results/glEXlB36.html - can somebody please help me ? |
| 21:27.42 | pinotree | no stupid rules? |
| 21:27.51 | pinotree | mm... |
| 21:27.55 | adamt | a few, but nothing like french |
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| 21:28.06 | PhilRod | adamt: "pronounce as few letters as possible" - quite simple, I think :-D |
| 21:28.38 | adamt | PhilRod: yeah, but when e.g. xyz is pronounced qpt it's quite weird :P |
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| 21:29.22 | pinotree | adamt: as you can see, in italian it's most o the time sin the way written=>pronounced in the equal way |
| 21:29.35 | adamt | yeah |
| 21:29.38 | adamt | i like that |
| 21:29.45 | adamt | makes it easier to learn |
| 21:30.18 | pinotree | some particular rules apply to ch/gh + wovel |
| 21:30.23 | adamt | yeah |
| 21:30.38 | adamt | en gn => nj etc. |
| 21:30.41 | adamt | *and |
| 21:31.18 | pinotree | yep, but basically it's the joined pronunciation of the two letters |
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| 21:45.47 | eisregen | what do I have to do to make konqi show online contacts in the Copy To > Contact context dialog ? =( |
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| 21:54.35 | Russel | has somebody amarok an the new kdebeta running? |
| 21:55.55 | Russel | mhhh |
| 21:56.10 | Russel | amarok don't want to find any soundengines... |
| 21:56.29 | Russel | perhaps one of his deps got wrong, trying to recompile it |
| 21:56.46 | Russel | perhaps one of his deps got wrong, trying to recompile it |
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| 22:19.08 | scx_ | amaork version ? |
| 22:19.09 | scx_ | and what distro |
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| 22:24.24 | Lars_G | Stupid stupid stupid question, where in the control center can I set edge detection for wrapping around virtual desktops? I can't find it. |
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| 22:29.14 | pinotree | Lars_G: kcontrol -> desktop -> window behaviour -> advanced |
| 22:29.26 | Lars_G | eh |
| 22:29.32 | pinotree | oh |
| 22:29.36 | pinotree | ;) |
| 22:29.47 | Lars_G | doh, thanks a lot pinheiro |
| 22:29.50 | Lars_G | pinotree, |
| 22:30.10 | pinotree | Lars_G: noth the names men "pine", but i'm different from he ;) |
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| 22:31.01 | Lars_G | I know, sorry, I do a 3 char autocomplete |
| 22:31.08 | eckhart | that system:/home introduced in kde 3.5 just makes half of the konqueror unusable |
| 22:31.15 | pinotree | Lars_G: ;) |
| 22:31.24 | Lars_G | eckhart, ?? |
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| 22:32.08 | eckhart | e.g. when you look at an .ogg file located in system:/home, you can't edit meta information |
| 22:32.17 | eckhart | in /home/eckhart, i can do that perfectly |
| 22:32.32 | Lars_G | then use /home/eckhart instead of system:/home |
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| 22:33.11 | eckhart | i have used that system menu button for quite some time |
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| 22:35.11 | adamt | eckhart: system:/home is for looking at the users in the same group as yourself. |
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| 22:36.25 | eckhart | adamt: that's system:/users, if i see it correctly |
| 22:36.36 | adamt | ohh i could mix them up |
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| 23:15.53 | adamt | don't shout!!!11 |
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| 23:29.53 | greenman | hi |
| 23:30.02 | greenman | can someone help me get arts running? |
| 23:30.26 | adamt | distro? |
| 23:30.48 | greenman | gentoo |
| 23:31.21 | adamt | emerge -av artsd |
| 23:31.36 | adamt | *arts |
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| 23:31.54 | Ayoze | mmm |
| 23:32.02 | greenman | I'm pretty sure I have that, lemme check |
| 23:32.14 | Ayoze | anybody knows if there's a birthday cake icon in any icon package? |
| 23:32.16 | Ayoze | i need it! |
| 23:32.46 | greenman | michael@oscar ~ $ artsd |
| 23:32.49 | greenman | unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/mcop-michael/localhost-28fa-4330ac54) |
| 23:32.58 | greenman | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 23:32.58 | greenman | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 23:32.59 | greenman | michael@oscar ~ $ |
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| 23:33.11 | adamt | do you have alsa installed? |
| 23:33.37 | Ayoze | mmm /dev/dsp is the OSS device |
| 23:33.51 | adamt | alsa + oss emulation then ;) |
| 23:38.27 | greenman | I do have alsa installed. And I tried with and without the oss emulation and get the same error both ways... |
| 23:38.36 | canllaith | greenman: check permissions on /dev/dsp (if you have one) |
| 23:38.50 | canllaith | sometimes the error messages are less than helpful and complain of /dev/dsp when it's really /dev/snd/* as you're using alsa |
| 23:40.25 | greenman | michael@oscar ~ $ ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 23:40.25 | greenman | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Jul 27 16:18 /dev/dsp |
| 23:40.49 | greenman | michael@oscar ~ $ ls -l /dev/snd/* |
| 23:40.49 | greenman | ls: /dev/snd/*: No such file or directory |
| 23:42.02 | adamt | are you member of the audio-group? |
| 23:43.18 | greenman | michael@oscar ~ $ groups |
| 23:43.18 | greenman | wheel audio users |
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| 23:48.07 | eckhart | can someone who uses kde 3.5 on a kubuntu system tell me which version of akregator he has? |
| 23:49.00 | annma | kubuntu has 3.5 packages already? |
| 23:49.17 | eckhart | yes, (k)ubuntu has |
| 23:49.27 | canllaith | for the alpha ? |
| 23:49.28 | annma | wooow |
| 23:50.09 | eckhart | they nearly came with the announcement |
| 23:50.17 | canllaith | Wow |
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| 23:50.25 | canllaith | maybe I should start using kubuntu =p |
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| 23:50.51 | eckhart | my only problem is that on my system, akregator 1.1.2 is still there |
| 23:51.08 | canllaith | The version number may not have been incremented for release yet |
| 23:51.12 | canllaith | lets see what version mine claims to be |
| 23:51.18 | annma | I can tell you waht version is akregator from svn |
| 23:51.24 | canllaith | as can I |
| 23:51.32 | annma | 1.2 |
| 23:51.34 | Sho_ | IIRC lippel did bump the version number |
| 23:51.45 | eckhart | as can O |
| 23:51.46 | canllaith | Did it get bumped in time for the alpha thought? |
| 23:51.48 | eckhart | *I |
| 23:51.58 | eckhart | in svn, i know it's 1.2 |
| 23:52.05 | canllaith | Lets have a look |
| 23:52.19 | annma | eckhart: when was it upgraded? |
| 23:52.20 | eckhart | but i still have 1.1.2 installed though i have 3.5 |
| 23:52.54 | canllaith | You have 3.5 alpha |
| 23:52.58 | annma | eckhart: as canllaith said, maybe th eversion number was upgraded only recently |
| 23:53.01 | canllaith | which is not as late a version as we are running |
| 23:53.13 | annma | eckhart: do you have 3.5 alpha or beta? |
| 23:53.20 | eckhart | beta1 |
| 23:53.56 | canllaith | It's only hours old |
| 23:54.14 | eckhart | deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 hoary main |
| 23:54.23 | eckhart | just got unsure ;-) |
| 23:55.01 | canllaith | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdepim/akregator/src/aboutdata.h?rev=458985&view=log |
| 23:55.25 | *** join/#kde reezeh (n=kvirc@reezeh.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 23:55.33 | canllaith | 12 days ago the version was bumped. If those packages are even 2 weeks old (KDE svn has been identfying itself as 'beta 1' for a little while |
| 23:55.36 | canllaith | ) |
| 23:55.54 | canllaith | Do you still have an older KDE version installed? |
| 23:56.05 | eckhart | should not |
| 23:56.22 | eckhart | otherway i throw away each debian clone |
| 23:56.58 | eckhart | it's not only the version number |
| 23:57.30 | eckhart | the whole program is akregator 1.1.2 |
| 23:57.45 | eckhart | compared to the svn builds |
| 23:57.57 | canllaith | Perhaps there is something wrong with the packages |
| 23:58.33 | eckhart | perhaps it is still not packaged |
| 23:58.41 | annma | can't you uninstall it and reinstall it? |
| 23:58.59 | eckhart | no, it's okay |
| 23:59.09 | eckhart | the package version is still 3.4.2 |
| 23:59.20 | canllaith | Better to ask kubuntu people at any rate, we can only guess. |
| 23:59.26 | Sho_ | beta1 was tagged less than 12 days ago |
| 23:59.39 | eckhart | yeah, perhaps the package is not there |
