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| 00:13.18 | rrohde | ok.. still no luck getting the clock's background to be translucent like my kicker is. .. Worked under 3.3.x |
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| 00:20.22 | gregday | has anyone explored using shared bookmarks so Firefox and Konqi are always in sync? i use both quite often and my bookmarks change a lot... is there any clean way to make them use the same resource? |
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| 00:22.18 | yanger | is alsa intended to be buggy? anyone think it's better just to use the non-alsa sound modules? |
| 00:23.11 | sredna | yanger: This is the KDE channel |
| 00:23.47 | sredna | gregday: I'm not aware fo the format used by mozilla,. Konqueror uses a xbel format CML file |
| 00:24.15 | yanger | sredna, i'm using kde! |
| 00:24.19 | gregday | sredna: do you know of a proposed standard for a unified, centralized bookmarks file/db? something along the lines of the fd.o standards? |
| 00:24.42 | gregday | sredna: i can import/export with no problems, it just gets tiresome |
| 00:24.44 | Renze | yanger: yes, but alsa is not part of the KDE project |
| 00:25.16 | yanger | but it's an option avaliable under kde |
| 00:25.17 | sredna | gregday: No, but I'm not much aware of fd.o stuff |
| 00:25.28 | sredna | gregday: It would be smart though |
| 00:25.29 | yanger | so if anyone has a heart to listen to this poor girl's cry :) |
| 00:25.33 | bdrydyk | I really wish there was a Ultraedit feature matching text editor for *nix. That and itunes always have me rebooting into windows. |
| 00:25.37 | Renze | yanger: does that mean we have to support everything that KDE just happens to use? |
| 00:25.44 | gregday | as far as i knew, XBEL was the standard format, and i'm exuberant of the fact that KDE uses it..standards are a great thing, go KDE! |
| 00:25.57 | sredna | bdrydyk: Use kate ;^) |
| 00:26.07 | gregday | bdrydyk: tried amarok? |
| 00:26.17 | gregday | bdrydyk: it's not quite itunes, but it's not a bad replacement |
| 00:26.33 | yanger | Renze, technically, yes and no :) gosh, i just wanted to know if ANYone (not just you) had issues :P |
| 00:26.54 | bdrydyk | gregday: yeah, its closer than anything else, but i can't sink my ipod, or use the itunes database to manage |
| 00:26.56 | yanger | ignore me if u don't know, bakahead >:( |
| 00:27.04 | gregday | yanger: for the record alsa works perfectly for me (slackware, linux-2.6.10, alsa-1.0.7) and my sound is much better after switching to it, no problems at all. |
| 00:27.05 | Renze | yanger: well, even though it is horribly off-topic... no, I've never had any problems with alsa, and find it works better than the old OSS stuff |
| 00:27.27 | sredna | Hi aseigo :) |
| 00:27.32 | aseigo | sredna: yo yo |
| 00:27.33 | bdrydyk | sredna: Kate doesn't have the column editing features, or nice tabs. |
| 00:27.48 | aseigo | yanger: hahhaa... Renze's got the market cornered on issues. i comein a close second though |
| 00:27.55 | Renze | yanger: you will get more help in an appropriate IRC channel |
| 00:27.58 | aseigo | sredna: oh yeah. that reminds me... columns |
| 00:28.10 | aseigo | sredna: katepart had vertical selection a long time ago right? |
| 00:28.38 | gregday | the KDE4 feature plan on the dev site... is a joke right? it's mostly games and edu stuff there |
| 00:28.40 | sredna | bdrydyk: I really hope I get the block selections to work corectly for next relase. As far as tabs, you probably won't get that, but there is a plugin that mimics it using a toolbar |
| 00:29.09 | sredna | aseigo: Still do, and if you does not have tabs or empty/short lines in the area you edit, it works nice |
| 00:29.27 | bdrydyk | sredna: you're a developer? |
| 00:29.30 | aseigo | gregday: all the core devel are busy with 3.4, which leaves..... |
| 00:29.32 | bdrydyk | err, kate developer |
| 00:29.34 | sredna | aseigo: Allthough you cant type into several lines at a time, which si what bdrydyk wishes iiutc |
| 00:29.50 | aseigo | gregday: not to mention a lot of the KDE4 design discussions haven't start much. expect a lot to shake out in Malaga in the summer |
| 00:29.54 | sredna | bdrydyk: Anders lund, if you have filed BRs about column editing, I answered |
| 00:30.12 | gregday | aseigo: not complaining... i found it more amusing really :) just wondered if there *was* anything a bit more concrete, even some proposed ideas... |
| 00:30.35 | aseigo | gregday: nah. kde4 is going to be all about the games |
| 00:31.18 | aseigo | sredna: how do you make a vertical selection? |
| 00:31.47 | sredna | http://83.73.136.202:8002/konqhistsearch.png <== coolness |
| 00:31.57 | sredna | aseigo: Hit c-s-b |
| 00:32.27 | gregday | oh SUH-WEET |
| 00:32.32 | sredna | aseigo: In kate, the status bar will show BLK |
| 00:32.37 | aseigo | sredna: c-s-b? |
| 00:32.53 | gregday | since ELinks can optionally use XBEL too, i just symlinked my konq bookmarks into .elinks and everything works seamlessly |
| 00:32.58 | sredna | aseigo: CTRL + SHIFT + B |
| 00:33.06 | gregday | cool!! now if mozilla/firefox could do this |
| 00:33.24 | aseigo | sredna: ah... awesome. |
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| 00:34.06 | aseigo | sredna: why is called "block selection" instead of "vertical selection"? |
| 00:34.11 | sredna | I have some code to improve it here, but calculating where to draw in emptylines/tabs is hard |
| 00:34.42 | sredna | aseigo: Uhm, historical reasons (as in, 'it allways has been, I don't know why') |
| 00:34.43 | aseigo | yeah. searching == good |
| 00:34.51 | bdrydyk | thanks, sredna. I'm going to reboot and play around. |
| 00:35.16 | aseigo | sredna: heheh.. i see... i've actually seen "Block selection" and it never occured to me that it was "Vertical selection". which is my bad for not reading the docs perhaps. |
| 00:36.12 | sredna | P |
| 00:36.16 | sredna | :p |
| 00:38.02 | sredna | ... and I likely have > 1000 bookmarks, so yes, I like the search bars :-) |
| 00:39.17 | sredna | Now, if you update kdeaddons/kate/filetemplates, you can download 4 templates from kate.kde.org using knewstuff |
| 00:39.32 | sredna | Requires HEAD of cause |
| 00:39.40 | sredna | But it's a breakthrough |
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| 00:39.57 | sarah03 | Heh. I'm a proud owner of a copy of Konqueror that doesn't use that ugly yellow color for the location bar when you hit an SSL site. :) |
| 00:40.22 | sredna | sarah03: Did you beat it, or is it old (or new)? |
| 00:42.08 | sarah03 | sredna: http://home.b0rked.dhs.org/~sarah/konqueror.diff |
| 00:42.26 | sredna | He |
| 00:42.37 | sarah03 | I didn't put in a UI for changing it... that's it. |
| 00:44.35 | lippel | imo that color change is of no use anyway. the contrast is too low. |
| 00:44.53 | sredna | sarah03: You should send it to kfm-devel, since some people using weird color schemes (or having a <pick your self> taste) mighe want that |
| 00:47.07 | AssociateX | how do I change the default download dir? I want stuff to go to the Desktop not my ~/ |
| 00:47.32 | sarah03 | sredna: People using weird color schemes, like me? :) |
| 00:48.07 | sredna | sarah03: I have no idea what color scheme you use, and you'd find a lot of people finding my 'barbie |
| 00:48.18 | sredna | Schems weird |
| 00:48.21 | sredna | Darn |
| 00:48.29 | sredna | I allways hit ret insteal of ' |
| 00:50.40 | sarah03 | *shrug* |
| 00:50.55 | sarah03 | White-on-dark gray is mostly what my color scheme is. |
| 00:51.19 | sarah03 | Or white-on-black, depending on what the widget in question happens to be. |
| 00:51.20 | sredna | I like that, I use that in ksirc, and sometimes in kate |
| 00:52.06 | sarah03 | Konqueror has a few issues with it [sites which haven't specified their own colors come up with black text on a black background.] |
| 00:52.13 | Theory | i go for white on pale yellow |
| 00:52.46 | sredna | Yea, the fiel views lack an option to set the fg color |
| 00:53.07 | sarah03 | Theory: Oh, so you'd like the lineedit on http://home.b0rked.dhs.org/~sarah/konq.png then. ;) |
| 00:53.19 | AssociateX | how do I change the default download dir? I want stuff to go to the Desktop not my ~/ |
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| 00:56.01 | Theory | what happens if my default background colour for textboxes is identical to the ssl background colour? |
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| 00:56.08 | sredna | AssociateX: Go the System->Paths in the control center and change the Documents path |
| 00:56.26 | sredna | sarah03: Lol @that screenshot |
| 00:56.36 | AssociateX | sredna, thanks |
| 00:56.38 | sarah03 | sredna: Now you see why I wrote that patch? :) |
| 00:56.41 | sredna | If that can't be changed, kde definatly needs more options |
| 00:56.43 | sredna | :) |
| 00:57.18 | sarah03 | It's not specifically the fact that more options are needed as it is that the code choosing the default color should be a bit smarter. |
| 00:58.04 | sredna | Maybe so |
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| 01:06.48 | Theory | I think KDE needs more options that allow you to choose how many options are displayed |
| 01:09.36 | lippel | how about "meta options"? |
| 01:11.49 | sredna | Like 'I am a [ ] Stupid [ ] Clever [ ] Brilliant user'? ;p |
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| 01:12.11 | lauri | gosh, haven't seen that idea in about a week |
| 01:12.12 | df00z | Hey |
| 01:12.19 | df00z | What is "kded" |
| 01:12.24 | df00z | and why is it using 92% of my CPU? |
| 01:12.25 | lauri | the small kde daemon |
| 01:12.32 | lauri | because something is wrong |
| 01:12.35 | df00z | Is it doing something? |
| 01:12.37 | df00z | I see. |
| 01:12.49 | df00z | i figured itd stop eventually but its not |
| 01:12.53 | lauri | kill it and restart it (just run it in a konsole) |
| 01:12.55 | sredna | Kded is running other processes |
| 01:13.01 | lauri | if it does it again, at least you'll maybe get some output |
| 01:13.12 | sredna | Can't it be 'killall -HUP'd? |
| 01:13.17 | lauri | but it could be any of a whole lot of things that it's doing that's hanging |
| 01:13.18 | df00z | KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/pts/0 |
| 01:13.40 | df00z | KWrite? |
| 01:13.43 | df00z | The program kwrite? |
| 01:13.45 | lauri | no |
| 01:13.47 | df00z | or is it something else? |
| 01:13.47 | lauri | kwrited |
| 01:13.54 | lauri | you can turn that off |
| 01:14.26 | lauri | you may not want to if you're on a laptop (it's listening for the system 'write' daemon to tell you stuff) |
| 01:14.34 | lauri | like "hey, dude, your battery is going to die in 3 minutes" |
| 01:14.38 | df00z | oh |
| 01:14.39 | df00z | i dont need it |
| 01:15.05 | df00z | Err |
| 01:15.05 | df00z | bash-2.05b$ kded |
| 01:15.05 | df00z | KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/pts/0 |
| 01:15.19 | lauri | yes, you mentioned that.. |
| 01:15.34 | lauri | kcontrol -> kde components -> service manager |
| 01:16.08 | df00z | oh |
| 01:16.10 | df00z | yea i dont need that |
| 01:16.11 | df00z | thanks |
| 01:17.24 | lauri | you're not *that* small :) |
| 01:17.35 | df00z | "konqueror preloader module" |
| 01:17.39 | df00z | is it possible to run that? |
| 01:18.45 | lauri | yeah, but one normally does that from the konqueror control modules (I don't know if doing it in the service manager works, but that's because I've never tried it - I suppose it does or it wouldn't be there) |
| 01:18.58 | df00z | oh |
| 01:19.02 | df00z | that |
| 01:19.09 | df00z | keep konqueror loaded under konq's prefs |
| 01:19.14 | df00z | didnt seem to speed/slow down much |
| 01:20.54 | aseigo | lauri: heheh... well, on the 'net nobody knows your (not) a pixie! |
| 01:22.14 | lauri | hey, now i never said you weren't a pixie |
| 01:22.23 | df00z | Hm, what is khotkeys used for? |
| 01:22.27 | df00z | alt tabbing? |
| 01:22.46 | lauri | custom keybindings to do things |
| 01:22.55 | sarah03 | df00z: Assigning any keystroke combination you want to do anything you want it to do? |
| 01:22.56 | sarah03 | :) |
| 01:22.56 | df00z | Hm |
| 01:23.02 | lauri | aseigo: I found a poem the other day on a CD of mine, and thought of you |
| 01:23.21 | df00z | sarah03: is there a tool to set up hot keys somewhere, or do you have to edit the rc files by hand? |
| 01:23.22 | lauri | because, poems by canadian punk rocker chicks naturally make me think of you, for some reason |
| 01:23.27 | df00z | I wonder if i can install a task manager |
| 01:23.30 | df00z | lol |
| 01:23.38 | lauri | ctrl-esc |
| 01:23.45 | lauri | you probably already have one |
| 01:23.51 | df00z | I do? |
| 01:23.56 | df00z | i just use top and ps |
| 01:23.58 | lauri | since whatever distribution that is, seems to have turned everything under the sun on already anyway |
| 01:23.59 | df00z | and kill etc |
| 01:24.04 | sarah03 | df00z: KControl->Regional & Accessibility->KHotKeys |
| 01:24.25 | df00z | oh cool |
| 01:29.58 | df00z | is there a KTop program? |
| 01:30.06 | df00z | I dont see it in portage, i see a page for it |
| 01:30.10 | sredna | df00z: Ctrl + esc |
| 01:30.12 | df00z | but it says its part of the KDE project |
| 01:30.19 | df00z | ctrl + esc gives me a K menu |
| 01:30.36 | sredna | Hm, then it's something else |
| 01:30.57 | sredna | ksysguard --showprocesses |
| 01:31.06 | sredna | Is the command |
| 01:31.17 | sredna | But there shoudl be a shortcut for it |
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| 01:32.03 | sarah03 | Ctl+Esc should pull up the K menu AFAIK; I think [emphasis on THINK] it's the 3-finger salute to get KSysGuard up. |
| 01:32.09 | df00z | Hm. |
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| 01:32.48 | sarah03 | At least, using Windows-style keybindings, it is. |
| 01:33.16 | sarah03 | On every other scheme, it's Ctl-Esc. |
| 01:33.29 | df00z | hm |
| 01:33.38 | sarah03 | KControl->Regional & Accessibility->Keyboard Shortcuts |
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| 01:33.49 | sarah03 | Find "Show Taskmanager" in the list. |
| 01:34.19 | df00z | amazing |
| 01:34.23 | df00z | i didnt even know this existed |
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| 01:36.29 | Alethes | df00z: trying to figure out kde configs is like playing Mist |
| 01:36.37 | Alethes | it's one mystery after another :) |
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| 01:36.56 | sredna | Halleluja |
| 01:37.47 | Alethes | "Congratulations. You now have access to KHotKeys." |
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| 01:40.07 | df00z | heheh |
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| 01:41.06 | sredna | Well, any kde user interrested in what can be done with KDE should take some time to tour arund the control center |
| 01:42.20 | orville | the very sexy control center we might add. |
| 01:42.24 | orville | rawr |
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| 01:45.01 | sredna | http://83.73.136.202:8002/kio_settings.png |
| 01:45.52 | coderanger | I seem to be having issues with compiling 3.3.2 on Gentoo. It is looking for a gcc 3.3.4 library file but i have gcc3.3.5 |
| 01:46.53 | sredna | Sounds like portage has a issue |
| 01:47.11 | sredna | Did you ask in #gentoo? |
| 01:47.24 | coderanger | in the process of |
| 01:48.12 | orville | translastion: no. |
| 01:48.19 | orville | ahahah. i make funny. |
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| 01:58.16 | sredna | Wb, annma |
| 01:58.35 | annma | hi! |
| 01:58.37 | annma | still up? |
| 01:58.48 | sredna | He, I shouldn't be, right |
| 01:59.10 | sredna | But I got my knewstuff implemention to work, at least the download |
| 01:59.23 | annma | :) |
| 01:59.25 | annma | cool |
| 01:59.52 | sredna | So, if you update kdeaddons/kate/filetemplates, you can download 4 templates from kate.kde.org with it |
| 01:59.59 | annma | :) |
| 02:00.05 | annma | I'll do it |
| 02:00.37 | sredna | Next is to enable upload somehow, but that requires some scripts at the server |
| 02:01.02 | annma | you wouldbe the first to do it |
| 02:01.11 | sredna | I'd like to have http upload, but that probably requires changes to knewstuff |
| 02:01.30 | sredna | He, there's a first for everything |
| 02:01.34 | annma | :) |
| 02:03.01 | sredna | I wonder if kscd would improve (ie actually do autostart and auto cddb-find) if I updated |
| 02:04.18 | sredna | I do a lot |
| 02:06.48 | Alethes | me too annma |
| 02:06.53 | lauri | I don't, it's too hard to kill |
| 02:06.55 | Alethes | I prefer to rip my cds and just listen to them all with juk |
| 02:07.01 | lauri | i buy cd's, rip em, lose em |
| 02:07.10 | lauri | or matt puts them in the car, and he loses them for me |
| 02:07.14 | annma | lol |
| 02:07.16 | lauri | or the kids borrow them, and lose them for me |
| 02:07.21 | annma | but you still have the mp3s |
| 02:07.24 | lauri | right :) |
| 02:07.27 | lauri | and usually the covers |
| 02:07.31 | annma | lol |
| 02:07.31 | sredna | You don't use ogg? |
| 02:07.32 | lauri | they only lose the discs |
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| 02:07.56 | lauri | nah, I'm old skool |
| 02:08.10 | annma | sredna: ogg, yes |
| 02:08.28 | lauri | and arts goes months between being able to play oggs on my machine, so that'd annoy me too much |
| 02:08.46 | lauri | vicious circle though, I don't care to investigate and fix it, since I don't have any oggs to play anyway |
| 02:08.52 | annma | lol |
| 02:08.53 | lauri | and I don't have any oggs to play, because it's borken :) |
| 02:09.04 | Alethes | I prefer mp3s 'cause all my devices use it |
| 02:09.10 | Alethes | portable cd player, etc |
| 02:09.17 | annma | egg and chicken -> ogg and arts |
| 02:09.28 | lauri | yeah, and the dvd player can play mp3 cd's, but not ogg ones |
| 02:09.34 | Alethes | right |
| 02:09.36 | annma | my portable CD plays them as well |
| 02:09.49 | lauri | but... I purposely got one that did mp3 cd's |
| 02:09.53 | lauri | because I only have mp3's :) |
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| 02:10.31 | lauri | we got one like a year ago, it played... dvd's, vcd's if it feels like it |
| 02:10.37 | annma | at least all cd players plays CDs which is not the case with DVD players |
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| 02:10.48 | lauri | we got one for Sam for christmas, it plays like 43 things, 38 of which we don't have any of |
| 02:10.56 | lauri | and cost about a third of our one |
| 02:11.02 | lauri | and has a much cuter remote control |
| 02:11.08 | lauri | she's so lucky I actually gave the damn thing to her |
| 02:11.20 | annma | my problem is the regions in DVDs and the standards in TVs |
| 02:11.26 | lauri | oh right |
| 02:11.33 | annma | it sucks moving around! |
| 02:11.44 | lauri | my tv is dual ntsc and pal |
| 02:11.48 | lauri | and the dvd's are both region free |
| 02:11.56 | annma | all your DVDs? |
| 02:12.02 | annma | your players? |
| 02:12.05 | lauri | yup |
| 02:12.11 | lauri | not even sure they sell regionified ones here |
| 02:12.12 | annma | wooo, I could not find one here |
| 02:12.33 | annma | wooo |
| 02:12.46 | lauri | which is good, I cover four regions just the ones I see on the table to put away |
| 02:13.04 | annma | we have 2 TVs and 2 DVD players in 2 different rooms |
| 02:13.06 | lauri | (ones I got in NZ, ones Matt got in the US, ones we got in the UK, ones Sam's got from Japan) |
| 02:13.52 | lauri | a single-region player would be a bit of a pain in the butt for me |
| 02:13.53 | annma | I was amazed canada did not have region free players |
| 02:14.14 | lauri | heh, I'm amazed everyone over there puts up with this region crap at all |
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| 02:14.27 | creati0n | what up |
| 02:14.27 | annma | yeah |
| 02:14.45 | annma | we're making a revolution against regions in DVDs |
| 02:14.56 | annma | you carry the flag |
| 02:15.01 | lauri | it's almost solely to protect the syndication market for US TV shows |
| 02:15.05 | lauri | really :) |
| 02:15.06 | annma | gregday: no |
| 02:15.11 | annma | it's region free |
| 02:15.14 | gregday | annma: heh. got a torrent? |
| 02:15.21 | annma | gregday: I have it |
| 02:15.23 | lauri | people like spike-tv, they're to blame |
| 02:15.26 | annma | on the PC |
| 02:15.34 | annma | but PCs plays everything |
| 02:15.39 | annma | thanks god |
| 02:15.43 | gregday | annma: isn't it great when ESR totally flips out about the communist thing? |
| 02:15.49 | annma | lol |
| 02:15.50 | annma | yes |
| 02:15.50 | Alethes | haha |
| 02:15.52 | gregday | annma: and the camera just sits on his face for like 20 seconds |
| 02:16.03 | gregday | God I was in tears when they just sat there staring at him |
| 02:16.07 | annma | lol |
| 02:16.08 | Alethes | the spokesmen of the OSS movement are not very good at speaking |
| 02:16.12 | annma | yeah |
| 02:16.26 | gregday | Bruce Perens voice also made me feel weird inside... he sounds just like Emo Philips |
| 02:16.26 | Alethes | RMS is kinda scary to watch too |
| 02:16.27 | lauri | you know, I thought ESR was a bit of a twat years ago |
| 02:16.30 | Alethes | haha |
| 02:16.33 | annma | the film looks a bit oldish |
| 02:16.34 | gregday | RMS was the most rational one on there! |
| 02:16.34 | lauri | and used to get told off soundly for saying so |
| 02:16.35 | Alethes | gregday: I agree |
| 02:16.50 | lauri | and now all of a sudden there's entire websites devoted to pointing out what a twat he is |
| 02:16.56 | annma | lol |
| 02:17.13 | Alethes | ESR is better than RMS but they both give me the heebee jeebees |
| 02:17.16 | lauri | I should be getting it in about 2010 at this rate |
| 02:17.27 | lauri | dude |
| 02:17.29 | annma | I'll vote for you |
| 02:17.31 | annma | dude |
| 02:17.32 | lauri | ESR thinks he's pan reincarnated |
| 02:17.35 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 02:17.35 | annma | :> |
| 02:17.36 | lauri | *he really does* |
| 02:17.41 | Alethes | bwahahaha |
| 02:17.47 | lauri | RMS *is* about 300 times saner than ESR |
| 02:17.50 | lauri | he's *weird* but he's sane |
| 02:17.53 | gregday | i just crack up now whenver i think of ESR rabidly saying how its not communism (and i agree, of course) but then he just goes silent. and you can just picture the interviewer backing up slowly and putting her hand on her pepper spray in her purse, and ESR just stares straight ahead with that lazy eye |
| 02:17.57 | Alethes | RMSs blog causes me to lose all respect for him |
| 02:18.18 | Alethes | hahahaha |
| 02:18.25 | lauri | http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/dancing.html |
| 02:18.30 | lauri | read it for yourself |
| 02:18.31 | annma | I never read RMS'blog |
| 02:18.42 | Alethes | www.stallman.org makes me twitch |
| 02:18.53 | gregday | just remember stallman.org is not really the official position or views of the FSF... |
| 02:18.53 | lauri | I quote "The Gods taught me these things while I was being some of them. Usually I've been the Horned Lord (Pan/Cernunnos/Freyr/Krishna). Occasionally I've been the Trickster (Coyote/Mercury/Loki/Eris) or the Sage (Thoth/Merlin). Just once, by accident in a martial-arts class, I have been the Warrior (Thor/Indra/Cuchulain)." |
| 02:19.04 | lauri | now tell me he's saner than RMS, I dare you |
| 02:19.08 | Alethes | the GPL makes me twitch, too, though |
| 02:19.39 | gregday | Alethes: the GPL unnerves a lot of people ;) |
| 02:19.47 | Alethes | *nod* |
| 02:19.59 | Alethes | I used to believe that it was a great thing |
| 02:20.10 | Alethes | now I just see RMS as a pinko :) |
| 02:20.17 | gregday | Alethes: well, #BSD is /right over there/ |
| 02:20.21 | Alethes | heh |
| 02:20.30 | lauri | me! bsd! yeah! we're cool! |
| 02:20.34 | Alethes | I already go there pretty regularly ;) |
| 02:21.05 | gregday | i didnt think i could find a ruder group of elitest buttholes than mac users until i hung around the bsd channels |
| 02:21.11 | Alethes | hah |
| 02:21.17 | lauri | did I kick you out or something? |
| 02:21.24 | gregday | difference is, the bsd folks have good reason to be |
| 02:21.29 | Alethes | I'm surprised you didn't kick me out of #freebsd-kde lauri :P |
| 02:21.43 | lauri | you didn't suggest I should take midol for my pms |
| 02:21.48 | Alethes | hah |
| 02:21.50 | Alethes | nah |
| 02:21.57 | Alethes | I'm a married man that knows better than to say that to a woman ;) |
| 02:21.58 | lauri | and you didn't mention US politics, or any kind of religion |
| 02:22.18 | Alethes | ever see that Everybody Loves Raymond episode? |
| 02:22.20 | lauri | you didn't ask me why you can't use portage on freebsd |
| 02:22.24 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 02:22.26 | sarah03 | *blink* I missed something while hacking on khtml, didn't I? |
| 02:22.30 | lauri | and you didn't tell me that we should make the freebsd kernel gpl |
| 02:22.35 | Alethes | hehehe |
| 02:22.44 | lauri | pretty much any of the above would get you entirely smacked with a really big stick |
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| 02:22.55 | Alethes | I started writing an article called The GPL: The Gay Public License |
| 02:22.57 | lauri | and anything less will at worst get a rant :) |
| 02:23.03 | Alethes | not Gay in the derogatory sense |
| 02:23.15 | lauri | it has great dress sense, and a double income no kids desirable demographic? |
| 02:23.22 | lauri | dude |
| 02:23.25 | lauri | have you *seen* RMS? |
| 02:23.26 | annma | gregday: kde-bsd people are all a friendly bunch that don't pretend to be an elite |
| 02:23.28 | Alethes | haha |
| 02:23.38 | Alethes | Gay as in won't allow reproduction |
| 02:23.57 | gregday | annma: are there that many bsd users who use kde? most bsd'ers i know prefer one of the *boxes |
| 02:24.16 | lauri | gregday: most bsd'ers wouldn't admit they use KDE on pain of death |
| 02:24.24 | annma | lol |
| 02:24.29 | lauri | even the ones who do |
| 02:24.36 | Alethes | lauri: really? |
| 02:24.38 | lauri | but trust me, it's well used |
| 02:24.47 | lauri | since i host the package builders in my basement, and get to see the downloads :) |
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| 02:25.14 | lauri | and that site takes ~150 thousand hits a month |
| 02:25.21 | gregday | packages builders in your basement? you feed them? |
| 02:25.28 | annma | gregday: the ones who use it never tried to 'convert' me |
| 02:25.30 | lauri | only if cvs is not busted |
| 02:26.14 | lauri | annma: naw, we don't care what you use (that's usually why bsd folks get called elitest bastards, we won't answer questions or give preferences :) |
| 02:26.19 | Alethes | lauri: I'm uploading my concept article, but bear in mind, it was just a random thought |
| 02:26.47 | lauri | if you ever want to try it, and ask for help, great, we'll help.. if not, that's fine too, please don't add linux kernel headers to your cd apps, and we'll all get along just fine :) |
| 02:26.48 | annma | hi sarah03 |
| 02:26.53 | sarah03 | 'ello :) |
| 02:27.05 | aseigo | vim kscd.cpp |
| 02:27.09 | aseigo | :80 |
| 02:27.12 | aseigo | i |
| 02:27.15 | lauri | heh |
| 02:27.18 | Alethes | lauri: http://www.alethes.net/gay_public_license |
| 02:27.21 | aseigo | #include <linux/cdrom.h> |
| 02:27.23 | aseigo | =P |
| 02:27.23 | annma | vim! editor war |
| 02:27.34 | lauri | heh, aseigo, go take a look who has more commits in that libworkman stuff, I bet it's me not you :) |
| 02:27.56 | aseigo | lauri: yeah, i try not to touch libwm. i try not to touch kscd either. =P |
| 02:27.57 | annma | oh I thought I was ESR |
| 02:28.12 | lauri | the funny thing is |
| 02:28.24 | lauri | all the cd apps were broken here for *ages* (including all the burners) |
| 02:28.26 | aseigo | ahahahaahahahahh |
| 02:28.31 | gregday | ive never had a bsd user try to convert me, but simply sneer and insult linux and praise win2000 |
| 02:28.33 | lauri | because they all included that linux/cdrom.h |
| 02:28.33 | aseigo | Q "What would you call a man that was only willing to give his wife the pleasure of an orgasm if he could guarantee that he would have the same pleasure?" |
| 02:28.40 | lauri | (which we could ifdef away) |
| 02:28.42 | aseigo | A: 99% of the mail population |
| 02:28.45 | aseigo | er, male |
| 02:28.46 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 02:29.03 | lauri | but then they all had this huge big chunk of cut and paste code to work around an off by one TOC implementation in that header |
| 02:29.04 | Alethes | btw, I wouldn't take this piece terribly seriously |
| 02:29.10 | Alethes | it was just a thought I wrote down |
| 02:29.24 | lauri | which we didn't have, so that made all our stuff go off by one the other way :) |
| 02:29.29 | aseigo | "we have situation brewing where software is only able to interface with that created by like-minded developers" <-- well, that's the been the case for a long, long time. no brewing about it, and not limited to the GPL |
| 02:29.31 | sarah03 | Mm. BUG:68523. I win. |
| 02:29.59 | lauri | heh |
| 02:30.05 | gregday | i remember reading a bug report for moz awhile back that said the icon was too communist |
| 02:30.11 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 02:30.17 | aseigo | Alethes: what about all the GPL software out there, and how's there more now than there was 5, 10, 15 years ago? |
| 02:30.31 | Alethes | aseigo: yeah, I know |
| 02:30.36 | lauri | gpl is four year old girls playing with barbie dolls "you can have mine, but I want it back if you put cooler clothes on her than she's got now" |
| 02:30.38 | Alethes | it's easy to refute this :) |
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| 02:31.00 | Alethes | hahahaha |
| 02:31.27 | Alethes | well, it's not reproductive |
| 02:31.30 | Alethes | that's all I meant |
| 02:31.39 | lauri | yeah,the points are salient, but it's not well named |
| 02:31.43 | Alethes | right |
| 02:32.02 | aseigo | hell, there's a GLBT's With Kids support group in Calgary, of all places |
| 02:32.27 | aseigo | lauri: see, that assumes we live in a world where others cooperate |
| 02:32.39 | gregday | there are no screenshots of akregator... is there anything screenshotworthy at all to it? im just curious |
| 02:32.41 | lauri | they have horses |
| 02:32.43 | lauri | and i got invited |
| 02:32.50 | lauri | I really can't see a down side |
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| 02:33.00 | Kurt2 | I AM HERE, BITCHES! |
| 02:33.05 | aseigo | lauri: reality is that the rest of the tech world is not nearly so sharing/inviting. i do hope one day we can move to permisive licenses such as the bsd |
| 02:33.24 | aseigo | lauri: but the industry (indeed society) is not ready for it or capable of sustaining such an system |
| 02:33.25 | gregday | Kurt2: leave before you get sucked into one of our stupid arguments |
| 02:33.36 | lauri | aseigo: it's interestingly not entirely true |
| 02:33.37 | Kurt2 | gregday: too late |
| 02:33.39 | Alethes | kurt likes the argue |
| 02:33.41 | Alethes | that's why he's here |
| 02:33.51 | lauri | aseigo: there are several companies actively working with embedded bsd's, and supporting them |
| 02:34.06 | lauri | precisely because they don't feel forced to give all their sources back |
| 02:34.14 | lauri | *and in some cases they're doing it anyway* |
| 02:34.18 | aseigo | lauri: there are many companies who have worked with BSD in general and support the BSD style of devel |
| 02:34.20 | lauri | and/or paying for full time developers |
| 02:34.23 | aseigo | the minority |
| 02:34.30 | aseigo | see, i HATE it when people pick the exceptions to use as examples |
| 02:34.33 | aseigo | exceptions are meaningless |
| 02:34.42 | aseigo | statistical norms are what matters |
| 02:34.44 | lauri | well, I don't know how you're counting |
| 02:34.49 | lauri | I can't count them |
| 02:35.03 | lauri | I can only count the ones I see speaking up and saying "here's why we're helping you out" |
| 02:35.15 | aseigo | how many devices have used BSD as the internal software and not given back, versus those who have |
| 02:35.17 | lauri | and I can't say that all the people not using bsd and choosing linux, are doing so for licensing reasons |
| 02:35.24 | lauri | aseigo: how would I know? |
| 02:35.31 | lauri | if they don't give it back, we're none the wiser :) |
| 02:35.37 | aseigo | if we can look at the track record of Linux, where you have to release, we can safely say the majority don't |
| 02:35.40 | lauri | why do I care? it doesn't stop me using my stuff |
| 02:35.44 | aseigo | it sure does |
| 02:35.56 | aseigo | because without an active, sustained developer community the software bitrots |
| 02:36.04 | aseigo | new hardware comes out, new protocols, new demands and uses |
| 02:36.06 | jepel_tailweaver | bitrot |
| 02:36.09 | jepel_tailweaver | that's a funny word |
| 02:36.12 | gregday | GPL doesn't require you to release at all |
| 02:36.13 | aseigo | jepel_tailweaver: isn't it =) |
| 02:36.23 | Kurt2 | "asshat" is funnier |
| 02:36.25 | aseigo | gregday: if you don't distribute, yes |
| 02:36.43 | lauri | point: nvidia gives freebsd drivers earlier than linux ones, and are getting actively involved in bsd (including providing kernel developer time) |
| 02:36.47 | straw | wow. look at all that fud |
| 02:36.49 | aseigo | lauri: so you have to have a sustainable developer pool first |
| 02:36.50 | gregday | aseigo: yeah, im sure you understand the GPL, but just clarifying it for the others |
| 02:37.03 | lauri | point: 3com regularly send our developers hardware pre-sale, to make sure it's supported (and then provide the drivers on their websites) |
| 02:37.04 | straw | it's starting to smell in here |
| 02:37.20 | aseigo | straw: i'd suggest a bath =) |
| 02:37.20 | lauri | why, is your brain overheating straw? |
| 02:37.25 | lauri | promise do the same |
| 02:38.19 | lauri | maxtor gave me a bunch of Sata disks years ago, when I complained they weren't working right (and I sent them all to the guys who write the HDD code, and then they did) |
| 02:38.41 | lauri | I have a *ton* of free HP hardware (alphas, sparc64's, among other things) from HP nl, right here in the house |
| 02:39.07 | aseigo | yes, they've traditionally supported server class hardware pretty well, and even some workstation stuff |
| 02:39.12 | lauri | I assume they give the same support to linux developers |
| 02:39.38 | aseigo | but that's not the developer base |
| 02:39.44 | lauri | I assume nobody would know how much HP supports *us* if I didn't say so - they certainly don't ask for anything in return - I just get an email now and then with "hey, can we ship you a pallet of stuff" |
| 02:39.58 | aseigo | they can throw as much hardware at a project as they want, you need people to write support for it and keep that support up |
| 02:40.17 | lauri | heh, who do you think keeps KDE working on bsd for the 64 bit arches |
| 02:40.20 | aseigo | (replace "hardware" for any number of other relevant concepts) |
| 02:40.27 | lauri | I *am* the developer base, and that's why they are giving me hardware |
| 02:40.37 | aseigo | which is awesome. |
| 02:40.52 | aseigo | unfortunately, there is a lot of BSD devel that goes on out there that never makes it back. a lot. |
| 02:41.07 | aseigo | and without people like you who feed into the system, it dries up |
| 02:41.25 | aseigo | unfortunately, i posit that right now, people like you are the (wonderful) exceptions.. |
| 02:41.32 | Kurt2 | A-Bb-A-G-F#-F#, A-G-F#-Eb-D-D, A-Bb-A-G-F#-F#, A-G-F#-Eb-D-D, D-D-Db-D, Eb-F#-G-A-G-F#, Eb-Eb-D-Eb, F#-G-A-G-F#-Eb-D |
| 02:41.40 | lauri | and again, I say, so? it doesn't stop me doing what i do, and it doesn't affect you doing what you do, and so why would I care if they take our gift to the community and run with it |
| 02:42.03 | aseigo | lauri: because i care that i have the choice to use something in 10 years because it still is a viable choice |
| 02:42.15 | gregday | Kurt2: wtf? |
| 02:42.18 | lauri | if you care enough, you contribute |
| 02:42.26 | lauri | you dont' wait for someone else to, or complain that they don't |
| 02:42.40 | aseigo | lauri: when there is a BSD'd implementation, people tend to take it, improve it and move it out of the public arena |
| 02:43.00 | aseigo | lauri: this has happened time after time and will continue to do so |
| 02:43.07 | lauri | they can't *move* it out of the public arena |
| 02:43.08 | lauri | that's the point |
| 02:43.24 | aseigo | lauri: until there is a large enough developer pool to support that attrition of effort, it's not viable long term |
| 02:43.25 | lauri | they can add to it, and keep their stuff out, it doesn't stop you or me or anyone else using what's already out there though |
| 02:43.36 | aseigo | that assumes that the value remains constant |
| 02:43.52 | annma | Kurt2: what song is that? |
| 02:43.56 | aseigo | software that drives 80% of 1993's hardware is worthless to me today. well, probably more |
| 02:44.02 | lauri | do you have the impression BSD's developer pool is shrinking? |
| 02:44.20 | aseigo | no, and i think they owe that to licenses like the GPL |
| 02:44.21 | lauri | do you think we have less software available than you do? |
| 02:44.38 | aseigo | which has kept afloat the open source boat for a long time now |
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| 02:44.43 | lauri | do you see anyone of us telling you what to release *your* software under? |
| 02:44.57 | aseigo | am i telling you which license to release your software under, or are you getting defensive? |
| 02:45.02 | lauri | honestly, nobody objects to you using the GPL, me using the GPL, anyone using it (if you have that impression also, that's incorrect) |
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| 02:45.14 | aseigo | that's not the impression i have at all =) |
| 02:45.32 | lauri | we don't put GPL software *in the kernel* |
| 02:45.34 | lauri | that's all |
| 02:45.42 | lauri | and the kernel is just an itty bitty bit of the OS |
| 02:45.47 | lauri | (ask rms :) |
| 02:45.53 | aseigo | aaah, i see |
| 02:45.54 | aseigo | ok.. |
| 02:46.19 | aseigo | i'm not talking about "BSD, the berkeley software distribution" as in "the OSes known are Free, Open, Net, DragonFly, etc BSD" |
| 02:46.23 | aseigo | i'm talking about the license itself |
| 02:46.43 | aseigo | the license itself is unsustainable were it the dominant license of choice |
| 02:46.47 | lauri | well, I'm looking at it from a specifically FreeBSD point of view |
| 02:46.49 | aseigo | IMO, anyways |
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| 02:47.18 | aseigo | i believe the BSDs owe a lot to the GPL-style licenses for their continued survival and success |
| 02:47.20 | lauri | it is the license of choice *for the kernel* and the only acceptable one there, outside of that, nobody cares what you do |
| 02:47.48 | aseigo | which is why when someone compares the GPL and licenses of it's ilk to childhood selfishness, i find that a little irreverant |
| 02:48.14 | lauri | it *is* selfishness |
| 02:48.17 | ods15 | what was the kde development irc channel?.. |
| 02:48.22 | aseigo | ods15: kde-devel |
| 02:48.25 | lauri | I happen to have a (recently 4yo) daughter |
| 02:48.28 | ods15 | ah, thanks |
| 02:48.37 | lauri | the assumption that all selfishness is evil, is where we're parting ways |
| 02:48.42 | aseigo | lauri: it's one sort of selfishness, like many other things in life. |
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| 02:48.43 | gregday | this is #kde-wrestlemania |
| 02:48.49 | Alethes | hah |
| 02:49.00 | lauri | I mean, I'm pretty darn selfish when it comes to buying groceries, I buy stuff I like |
| 02:49.11 | aseigo | lauri: 'gpl is four year old girls playing with barbie dolls "you can have mine, but I want it back if you put cooler clothes on her than she's got now"' |
| 02:49.12 | lauri | and I don't feel bad about it either |
| 02:49.21 | lauri | yeah, if you'd let me finish with the other half |
| 02:49.22 | aseigo | that just sounded rather like you were saying it's immature |
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| 02:50.02 | aseigo | (not to mention it's an innacurate analogy since there's only one doll (scarcity) so taking it back means depriving the other) |
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| 02:50.08 | aseigo | (which isn't true with software, obviously =) |
| 02:50.18 | lauri | small girls never have only one barbie |
| 02:50.31 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 02:50.35 | lauri | they breed in dark corners, it's possibly what happens to odd socks and wire coathangers that go missing |
| 02:50.47 | aseigo | when i was a little girl, i had a barbie arm and a barbie head. and i was HAPPY . ;-P |
| 02:50.59 | lauri | I have a box full of barbie bits |
| 02:51.01 | lauri | and half a ken |
| 02:51.02 | aseigo | if i had one whole barbie i would've been over the moon |
| 02:52.06 | lauri | which was kinda the rest of the analogy, the bsd license is more like the box of barbie bits, and saying "here, it's my stuff, if you can make a whole barbie out of it, that's neat, but if she's ugly, scrub my name off the back of her head" |
| 02:52.09 | sarah03 | lol |
| 02:52.31 | lauri | since the other important part of the bsd license is the "don't say you wrote it if it's cool, and don't blame it on me if it's not" :) |
| 02:53.09 | Alethes | I just like not paying for software, mostly |
| 02:53.19 | lauri | well, and now there's an honest man |
| 02:53.26 | lauri | I think you're probably in the majority |
| 02:53.49 | Alethes | I mean, why pay for crappy software when you can download it for free? |
| 02:53.52 | lauri | I rather like not paying MS exorbitant amounts of money for exchange and office license upgrades too |
| 02:53.55 | Alethes | and not have to worry about finding a crack |
| 02:53.59 | gregday | I would pay lots of money for KMail and Konqueror since they both kick my ass |
| 02:54.25 | Alethes | I don't have a lot of money to pay for anything |
| 02:55.33 | lauri | I think far more people use KDE/linux/bsd anything whatever, because someone told them it's free |
| 02:55.35 | Alethes | I was doing pretty good when I lived in Texas, but now that I'm in Canada, it's not so easy to do |
| 02:55.39 | lauri | nearly as many because someone told them it's cool |
| 02:56.08 | lauri | and of the usual license ranters, especially the slashdot crowd, about 5% of them have ever actually read the GPL |
| 02:56.12 | Alethes | I started using it because it was free and cool. Now I use it, 'cause it's what I know |
| 02:56.13 | lauri | (end to end) |
| 02:56.31 | Alethes | I feel so lost in windows these days :/ |
| 02:56.38 | Alethes | which is actually probably not a good thing |
| 02:57.13 | Ectropian | Question: Isn't there a way in the xorg.conf to "adjust" the screen start location? .. i.e. move it half inch to the left? |
| 02:57.15 | Alethes | I was looking at a windows box the other day amazed that they could sell something that was so ugly |
| 02:58.14 | UziMonkey | Alethes: don't you like the Fisher Price interface? |
| 02:58.31 | Alethes | UziMonkey: it was actually win2000 |
| 02:58.37 | sarah03 | lauri: As far as having read the GPL goes... yup, I read it. It takes less time to read and comprehend the GPL than it does to read some of the rants people have on Slashdot about the GPL. :) |
| 02:58.41 | Alethes | which reminded me of gnome with no theme |
| 02:58.48 | straw | lauri: well what would you expect? you've just spent the last half hour bashing the gpl |
| 02:58.50 | UziMonkey | well, nothing to complain about there.. simple and functional |
| 02:58.59 | sarah03 | Generally written by people who haven't read the GPL in the first place. :) |
| 02:59.06 | lauri | oh for christ sake |
| 02:59.10 | lauri | read for comprehension people |
| 02:59.11 | UziMonkey | Alethes: what |
| 02:59.11 | straw | heh |
| 02:59.16 | lauri | I did not bash the GPL *one second* |
| 02:59.18 | UziMonkey | Alethes: what's not to like about it? |
| 02:59.32 | lauri | and if you thought I did, or that aaron and I were having an all out brawl, you're not paying attention |
| 03:00.16 | straw | assumption is the mother of all fsck ups :) |
| 03:01.00 | straw | it was the barbie analogy |
| 03:01.12 | sarah03 | *shrug* I put out all of the stuff I write in my free time under the GPL, with a big fat notice: "Hey, you want to use it under something besides the GPL? Let me know, something can be worked out." |
| 03:01.44 | Alethes | I keep all my stuff proprietary |
| 03:01.45 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:01.51 | UziMonkey | I use the "do whatever you want with this, but drop me an email if you're using it" license |
| 03:02.05 | Alethes | but it's all stuff I do for internal projects at various corps |
| 03:02.08 | lauri | the half finished 3:30 am thought that I never really did finish up with the equally insulting (if you call *that* an insult, and I don't) to the bsd license analogy? |
| 03:02.21 | straw | it's not that i'd go on some crusade. it's just a boring, old, hackneyed argument |
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| 03:06.44 | derekkite | aseigo: you ever run into these folks? http://linuxcanada.com/ in Calgary. QT based accounting package, gpl'd. |
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| 03:07.53 | aseigo | derekkite: humorously enough i haven't |
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| 03:16.12 | Ectropian | Anyone know how to physically change the screen location without messing with the monitor dials? |
| 03:16.27 | Alethes | magnets |
| 03:16.33 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:16.41 | gregday | move your monitor? |
| 03:16.41 | Renze | Ectropian: you could use xvidtune, note down the numbers, and add a modeline to your X config |
| 03:16.49 | Ectropian | hehe.. |
| 03:16.55 | Ectropian | yeah.. Renze : that's what I was thinking.. |
| 03:17.03 | Ectropian | just didn't know how to get the numbers. |
| 03:19.01 | Alethes | Renze: quietly? That's not nearly as fun |
| 03:19.18 | Renze | I prefer not to disturb anyone :) |
| 03:19.20 | MrGrim | lol magnets |
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| 03:19.32 | Alethes | hehe |
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| 03:31.10 | Dhraakellian | granted, anyone would still be compiling unless their distro actually packaged the beta for them |
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| 03:50.28 | Pingveno | does anyone know if fuse_kio is usable? |
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| 04:03.19 | Platyna | Mouse gestures. Duh, WTF is that? |
| 04:03.20 | Platyna | ;] |
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| 04:15.19 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:16.24 | Dhraakellian | okay. no, they haven't |
| 04:16.34 | Dirus | does kde have color cursors? does x even support that? |
| 04:16.44 | Dhraakellian | mouse cursors? |
| 04:16.47 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
| 04:16.49 | Dirus | yeah |
| 04:17.14 | Dirus | is it accelerated with hardware overlay? |
| 04:17.58 | Renze | yes |
| 04:18.17 | Renze | they're called xcursors |
| 04:18.43 | Renze | they've been part of X since XFree86 version 4.0, I think |
| 04:19.25 | Dhraakellian | http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=36 |
| 04:20.30 | df00z | heheh, i wonder if X is ever going to become totally hw accelerated |
| 04:21.01 | Dirus | can you change the cursor on the fly, like per window? |
| 04:21.23 | Renze | Dirus: no, usually a cursor theme change needs a restart of X |
| 04:21.36 | Dirus | aww |
| 04:22.34 | Dhraakellian | although |
| 04:22.58 | Dhraakellian | earlier, I noticed that my crystal cursor wasn't showing up over window decorations |
| 04:23.07 | Dhraakellian | a default black cursor was |
| 04:23.52 | Dhraakellian | kwin --replace took care of it |
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| 04:26.57 | df00z | Howd you change your cursor? |
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| 04:27.59 | df00z | nm |
| 04:28.00 | df00z | i see it |
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| 04:58.25 | kolp | KGlobal::config() and kapp->config() are supposed to return KConfig objects accessing different config files, no? |
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| 05:07.10 | orville | hello homies. |
| 05:11.30 | Dhraakellian | gazebo |
| 05:11.50 | Renze | hassenpfeffer |
| 05:12.45 | orville | stop making fun of me or i'll tell my mommy |
| 05:13.07 | Renze | ok wilbur |
| 05:13.14 | Dhraakellian | !order a carnivorous smurf for Renze |
| 05:13.21 | Dhraakellian | orville: hmm? |
| 05:13.23 | orville | lol |
| 05:13.34 | Dhraakellian | "Gazebo" is a word that I often use as a greeting |
| 05:13.37 | Renze | it's blue and bitey |
| 05:13.43 | Dhraakellian | and for many other purposes |
| 05:13.43 | orville | Dhraakellian, eh? i can hardly see what you said |
| 05:13.54 | Dhraakellian | Renze: do you read Sluggy Freelance? |
| 05:13.59 | Renze | no |
| 05:14.04 | Dhraakellian | nevermind, then |
| 05:14.14 | Dhraakellian | orville: terminal 8 works for me |
| 05:14.37 | orville | monospace 12 for moi. |
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| 05:15.40 | orville | because the people log into X with small DPIs |
| 05:15.54 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 05:16.00 | orville | 1600x1200 |
| 05:20.35 | Renze | free b&d? |
| 05:20.45 | orville | I think I'm gonna stick with it too. |
| 05:21.15 | orville | 1. It's far superior to portage 2. it's stabler than linux atm. |
| 05:21.34 | orville | of course i haven't booted into kde just yet. but things're looking up :-) |
| 05:22.11 | orville | muahahahah |
| 05:22.42 | orville | speaking of which, i wonder if i can still boot into that...? |
| 05:22.50 | Dhraakellian | emerge: (13 of 17) kde-base/kdeutils-3.4.0_beta1 just finished |
| 05:25.36 | orville | Dhraakellian, waht's left after that? |
| 05:26.07 | Dhraakellian | I'm currently on kdetoys |
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| 05:28.39 | orville | 2.6.10 is nice. |
| 05:28.56 | orville | 2.6.10-mm2 is even nicer :-) |
| 05:29.17 | Renze | this is 2.6.10-gentoo |
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| 05:29.38 | swim | hiya |
| 05:29.48 | swim | can I rip with k3b? |
| 05:30.07 | orville | yes |
| 05:30.12 | Renze | yes, but audiocd:/ is easier |
| 05:30.25 | orville | but k3b is better |
| 05:30.27 | swim | really? how can I do it with k3b? |
| 05:30.50 | Renze | then there's kaudiocreator |
| 05:31.31 | swim | Renze: Im trying to rip from an external drive connected via usb... k3b sees it but kaudiocreator doesnt seem to |
| 05:32.00 | orville | swim, click on the drive in the side panel |
| 05:32.25 | swim | ah hmm returns: Malformed URL |
| 05:32.39 | orville | the list of audio tracks should show up and there's a rip button somewhere in the window |
| 05:32.50 | orville | top leftish. i think... |
| 05:33.22 | swim | returns Malformed URL, and shows No Disk in the window |
| 05:34.23 | orville | swim, in k3b? |
| 05:34.38 | swim | ...yes |
| 05:35.10 | orville | click ok on the malformed url warning and then go back to the drive w/ the CD in it. |
| 05:35.22 | orville | that used to happen with older versions of k3b |
| 05:35.33 | orville | it's been fixed however. |
| 05:35.39 | swim | the window still shows No Disk |
| 05:36.00 | orville | hum |
| 05:36.16 | swim | and this is a new version of k3b |
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| 05:36.26 | orville | ho hum |
| 05:37.16 | swim | hmm I right clicked the drive and selected eject and it ejected the drive... |
| 05:37.33 | orville | swim, but it can't read your audio cd? |
| 05:37.47 | orville | can it read any cd from the external drive? |
| 05:37.54 | swim | weird it just did ! |
| 05:37.58 | Skiver | why does my kmix has no effect on the bass and treble control ? |
| 05:38.38 | orville | swim, hurray! rip while you still can! |
| 05:38.48 | swim | nope wont rip though |
| 05:38.58 | orville | Skiver, can you modifiy bass and treble in linux at all? |
| 05:39.19 | Skiver | i used to |
| 05:39.22 | dubd | I have a k-mail question. Hope someone can help me |
| 05:39.24 | dubd | I have 2 email accounts, with both i can send (smtp) and receive (pop3).. One of those two is the default for sending and receiving. But there are sometimes I want to send a message from the other account, so I change the Identity in the New Mail Form, and select de second account. But the sender address (me) is the one of the default account. I can't change it. |
| 05:40.20 | orville | swim, why wont it rip? |
| 05:40.27 | orville | what error message do you get? |
| 05:40.50 | swim | orville: its returning Could not open device /dev/sr0 |
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| 05:41.17 | orville | swim, in a console do ls -l /dev/sr0 |
| 05:41.35 | orville | and paste in the result |
| 05:41.48 | swim | brw-rw-rw- 1 root root 11, 0 2005-01-14 22:17 /dev/sr0 |
| 05:42.19 | orville | that's odd. |
| 05:42.41 | orville | swim, so now you can see the audio tracks but you get that error when you try to rip them? |
| 05:42.49 | swim | orville: right |
| 05:44.17 | Skiver | swim : have u tried burning any cd ? |
| 05:44.25 | swim | Skiver: yes I can burn |
| 05:47.12 | dubd | Is it possible to change of smtp server just by selecting different identities in kmail? |
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| 05:47.43 | swim | wait no I cant burn with the external drive! |
| 05:47.46 | swim | damn |
| 05:48.21 | Skiver | what about normal rom ? |
| 05:49.29 | swim | Skiver: you mean internal drive? |
| 05:49.33 | Skiver | yah |
| 05:49.40 | Skiver | ide connected |
| 05:49.41 | swim | that burns fine Im sure |
| 05:51.13 | Skiver | u are root now ? |
| 05:51.28 | swim | no |
| 05:52.15 | Skiver | normal user burns cd too ? |
| 05:52.21 | swim | of course |
| 05:53.56 | Skiver | checked your fstab ? |
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| 05:55.37 | swim | what should fstab say about the external drive? |
| 05:55.54 | MrGrim | dubd: I don't think say... my reasoning is the identity and network portions of the kmail config are not connected |
| 05:56.04 | MrGrim | there's no way to associate an identity with a particular smtp server |
| 05:56.13 | swim | Renze: having problems with external drive... cant seem to burn or rip |
| 05:56.20 | MrGrim | s/say/so |
| 05:56.21 | Skiver | swim : is it difer from your ide one |
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| 05:57.13 | swim | Skiver: there isnt anything in there about sd0 which seems to be the external drive |
| 05:57.24 | Renze | swim: send me an external drive, and I'll sort it out for you |
| 05:58.20 | Skiver | unplug n plug the usb device, show me tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 06:00.01 | dubd | MrGrim: yeap, would be a nice feature... |
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| 06:00.37 | MrGrim | dubd: I disagree |
| 06:00.57 | MrGrim | dubd: they should be kept independant so any identity can use any server to send |
| 06:01.18 | swim | Skiver: http://pastebin.com/229101 |
| 06:02.14 | MrGrim | dubd: if you check view|mail transport in the compose window you can easily select which server you use to send |
| 06:02.49 | Skiver | swim : can u try inserting another CD with content..and mount it ? |
| 06:03.07 | swim | Skiver: sure |
| 06:03.33 | dubd | MrGrim: hahah that's really nice, haven't seen it! |
| 06:03.58 | swim | mount: can't find /dev/sd0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 06:04.00 | MrGrim | dubd: hope that adequetly solves your problem |
| 06:04.06 | swim | Skiver: sure its not in there |
| 06:04.13 | dubd | MrGrim: yeap, I think it will! thank you :) |
| 06:04.17 | MrGrim | np :) |
| 06:05.02 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 06:05.13 | dubd | I love kmail again |
| 06:05.16 | Skiver | swim : can u try add a line in fstab ? follow exactly your ide one's options |
| 06:05.24 | swim | ok |
| 06:05.52 | Skiver | the source and path must be something else of course |
| 06:05.55 | Dhraakellian | is there a commandline option for startkde to tell it where to look for the settings dir in ~? |
| 06:06.27 | Dhraakellian | meaning that I don't want to change the symlink that currently points to ~/.kde3.3 |
| 06:07.13 | Renze | Dhraakellian: same $KDEHOME? |
| 06:07.40 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
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| 06:08.57 | Renze | time is a human construct to measure entropy |
| 06:09.35 | Dhraakellian | Renze: I'm not particularly (no pun intended) interested in getting to another such discussion |
| 06:10.01 | Renze | aw? :( |
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| 06:11.48 | Dhraakellian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.48 | Dhraakellian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:14.30 | MrGrim | of course time exists.. it's nature just may be different than we percieve it is all |
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| 06:19.11 | Alienz | what up fools. |
| 06:19.14 | Alienz | er, wrong channel |
| 06:19.15 | Alienz | lol |
| 06:19.25 | kobach | lol |
| 06:19.37 | kobach | that was semi-dumb |
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| 06:23.54 | swim | Skiver: ok mounts fine |
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| 06:25.50 | swim | but of course audio cds cant mount |
| 06:28.14 | Alienz | theres no fs on a audio cd :P |
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| 06:28.18 | Alienz | thats what KsCD is for lol |
| 06:28.33 | swim | I know |
| 06:29.01 | swim | Im trying to rip/burn to an external usb cd/dvd burner |
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| 06:29.38 | gregday | the hell |
| 06:29.44 | gregday | gregday_ ??? |
| 06:29.46 | gregday | that's not me....... |
| 06:30.07 | gregday | ah |
| 06:30.12 | gregday | had a runaway BitchX |
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| 06:40.02 | swim | damn trying to burn to external drive from k3b started as root still doesnt burn... |
| 06:40.28 | Alienz | how i install a windeco again? |
| 06:41.09 | swim | usually ./configure make make install |
| 06:42.00 | Alienz | what about splash screens |
| 06:43.58 | rasput|n | you know... kde isn't detecting it's own applications that have just been installed and inserting them into the menu |
| 06:45.04 | Alienz | hehe |
| 06:45.05 | Alienz | restart x |
| 06:46.54 | rasput|n | uhmm no? lol |
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| 06:53.35 | Alienz | uhmm yes? lol |
| 07:01.45 | vuud | Hi #KDE, I have a problem with Kontact blowing up... If I log in as another user it is fine. I tried cleaning out what configurations i could find, but still no dice. Anywhere I can find a good resource on what I should wipe out? |
| 07:01.56 | vuud | It takes out Xfree also |
| 07:03.37 | Alienz | whats Kontact? |
| 07:03.58 | vuud | Its part of kdepim |
| 07:04.00 | Renze | Alienz: you're kidding, right? |
| 07:04.07 | Alienz | Renze, nope |
| 07:04.15 | Renze | Alienz: new to KDE, huh? |
| 07:04.20 | Alienz | Renze, nope |
| 07:04.25 | Alienz | been using it since redhat 9 |
| 07:04.27 | vuud | Renze: thanks - I thought I was crazy for a second, even checked the channel |
| 07:04.31 | Renze | Alienz: been living in a hole? |
| 07:04.37 | Alienz | Renze, yup |
| 07:05.41 | Alienz | i've got solder splatters all over my desk lol |
| 07:05.44 | Alienz | whats Kontact?! |
| 07:05.55 | Renze | Alienz: do you have kdepim installed? |
| 07:06.07 | Alienz | idk, what port would it be in |
| 07:06.14 | Renze | kdepim |
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| 07:06.42 | Alienz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.45 | Renze | it contains things like kmail, knode, kontact, etc... |
| 07:06.46 | Alienz | nope, installing it now |
| 07:06.56 | Alienz | hmm, thats why kmail isn't in here.. |
| 07:07.15 | vuud | Well, for sure it crashes X when I am in my logon |
| 07:07.30 | Alienz | lol |
| 07:08.09 | Alienz | Renze, im not the brightest. |
| 07:08.12 | vuud | Can I just blow away my entire .kde directory? I assume I can, but what great things will I loose? |
| 07:09.00 | vuud | Assuming I am not using KDE, but fluxbox |
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| 07:12.24 | orville | arse. it's two. |
| 07:12.27 | orville | i need sleep |
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| 07:14.36 | Alienz | hehe |
| 07:14.39 | Alienz | i guess my fsb was too high |
| 07:14.46 | Alienz | my pc runing at 130 degress F |
| 07:15.08 | orville | your front side bus was too high? |
| 07:16.02 | Alienz | i had it set at 169 |
| 07:16.09 | Alienz | and my multiplier at 11.5 |
| 07:16.21 | Alienz | and my ddr 333 at 400mhz |
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| 07:21.53 | orville | oh. you're OC'ing |
| 07:22.08 | orville | I'm UC'ing atm :-) |
| 07:22.10 | Alienz | yeah |
| 07:22.11 | Alienz | hehe |
| 07:22.13 | Alienz | ucing? |
| 07:22.19 | Alienz | under clocking? |
| 07:22.20 | orville | underclocking |
| 07:22.22 | Alienz | why? |
| 07:22.24 | orville | yeah :-) |
| 07:22.45 | Alienz | i had to do that when i installed more ram cuz i was too lazy to set it all in bios |
| 07:22.53 | orville | my PC doesn't behave nicely @ normal temps |
| 07:23.08 | Alienz | get a new fan :) |
| 07:23.15 | Alienz | water cooling! |
| 07:23.18 | orville | @ normal settings that is |
| 07:23.26 | orville | I've got 4 fans! |
| 07:23.53 | Alienz | CPU fan. |
| 07:23.58 | orville | and it still runs @ > 50 C when set to 2000+ (athlon xp) |
| 07:24.04 | Alienz | raelly? |
| 07:24.05 | orville | this was in linux though |
| 07:24.16 | orville | I'm gonna see if it still acts weird in BSD |
| 07:24.19 | Alienz | mines a AMD Athlon XP 2000+ and its running at a 2400+ at 1.94GHz |
| 07:24.41 | Alienz | maybe replace your thermal compound and/or get a new cpu heatsink/fan |
| 07:27.10 | orville | i did replace my thermal compound. last night. |
| 07:27.53 | orville | it hath been a busy w/e |
| 07:28.20 | orville | looks like somebody's still up a bit too high :-) |
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| 07:29.18 | Alienz | piece of shit. |
| 07:29.31 | orville | heh. that's what i say about mine too. |
| 07:30.18 | Alienz | orville, my pc is running at 1.95GHz and at 52.3C |
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| 07:31.45 | orville | mine was @ 1.67GHz and 57C |
| 07:31.57 | orville | my POS > your POS |
| 07:32.22 | Alienz | haha |
| 07:32.32 | Alienz | what kind of fan/heatsink? stock? |
| 07:32.41 | orville | yeah |
| 07:32.50 | Alienz | get a Volcano 12 |
| 07:33.01 | Alienz | and Artic Silver 5 thermal compound |
| 07:33.15 | orville | I got the artic silver |
| 07:33.36 | orville | mine is old now though,, i got it back when the 2000+ was hot stuff |
| 07:33.45 | Alienz | dannnggg |
| 07:33.49 | Alienz | i think you should change it lol |
| 07:34.08 | orville | heh. i think you're right. |
| 07:34.46 | Alienz | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-035&depa=0 |
| 07:36.54 | orville | when i get enough money to buy a new processor along ith it :-) |
| 07:37.06 | Alienz | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-100-007&depa=0 |
| 07:37.08 | Alienz | hehe |
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| 07:56.59 | attifinch | Goodnight guys |
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| 08:27.48 | claire | hmm anyone know how to enable file transfer for ICQ in kopete? It's always greyed out |
| 08:29.02 | Renze | claire: the question you should be thinking about is "does ICQ support file transfers?" |
| 08:29.24 | canllaith | Renze: dude, where did you go off MSN? =p |
| 08:29.40 | Renze | yikes! I fell off! |
| 08:29.40 | canllaith | there is photographic evidence of me in the snoopy bathing suit :( bloody dave |
| 08:29.46 | Renze | reconnecting |
| 08:29.46 | claire | Renze: hmm yes it does |
| 08:29.52 | claire | it's actually mobtek here :P |
| 08:30.03 | claire | canllaith: haha PICS PLEASE! :) |
| 08:30.08 | canllaith | claire: hi mobtek, getting in touch with your feminine side ? :P |
| 08:30.12 | Renze | canllaith: you mean other than the photo I have? |
| 08:30.15 | canllaith | claire: heh no way dude this is the worst bathing suit in the world |
| 08:30.20 | canllaith | Renze: DID YOU SAVE THAT? |
| 08:30.31 | claire | aah comeon |
| 08:30.32 | canllaith | :O:O:O |
| 08:30.47 | canllaith | hahaha my mother in law is playing my keyboard (piano style not qwerty style) _really_ badly |
| 08:31.15 | canllaith | claire: heh no dude,you don't satisfy the requirements to see pics of me, let alone bathing suit ones =p |
| 08:31.39 | Renze | chopsticks? |
| 08:31.43 | canllaith | um no |
| 08:32.25 | canllaith | LOL |
| 08:32.37 | canllaith | It's the australian national anthem |
| 08:32.44 | Renze | ack! |
| 08:32.45 | canllaith | and it's so badly done even _I_ can't tell what it is |
| 08:32.47 | canllaith | LOL |
| 08:33.05 | canllaith | being the only aussie in the room (we have bavarians, then kiwis, then me.) |
| 08:33.10 | Renze | * I've got you under my skin... I've got you deep in the heart of me... * |
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| 08:35.18 | canllaith | least they're not making me sing :) |
| 08:35.34 | canllaith | mmm some sinatra would prolly go down well with the oldies actually |
| 08:36.00 | Renze | I only have five tracks so far |
| 08:36.05 | canllaith | Renze: I'll bring you a cd :) |
| 08:36.16 | Renze | excellent! :) |
| 08:36.19 | canllaith | with all my favs and if you're lucky I might even sing for ya. Or if you're unlucky, depending on your point of view |
| 08:36.50 | Renze | oh, definitely lucky... and depending on my state of intoxication, I might sing too :) |
| 08:37.40 | Skiver | hey bietch ! |
| 08:38.26 | Renze | * Luck be a lady tonight... luck be a lady tonight... luck if you've ever been a lady to begin with, luck be a lady tonight * |
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| 08:39.23 | canllaith | damn fell off msn again |
| 08:39.32 | Renze | * Let's keep this party polite... never get out of my sight * |
| 08:39.52 | claire | canllaith: man all the girls gimme their bathsuit pics |
| 08:39.53 | claire | :) |
| 08:39.53 | Renze | me too... MSN must be flakey today |
| 08:39.58 | canllaith | claire: I'm not all the girls :) |
| 08:40.00 | claire | Renze: it's down here |
| 08:40.06 | claire | canllaith: and HOW! :) |
| 08:40.20 | canllaith | gosh... was that a compliment or an insult? I am not sure which =p |
| 08:40.58 | claire | hahah compliment |
| 08:41.02 | claire | I'm actually nice guy |
| 08:41.09 | claire | when I'm not a total bastard that is hehehe |
| 08:41.12 | Frost^ | hello |
| 08:41.15 | claire | iok off to find more beer |
| 08:41.20 | canllaith | heh |
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| 08:41.31 | Frost^ | is there by any chance a kde applet which can tell me my current cpu temperature? |
| 08:41.40 | canllaith | Frost^: ksensors |
| 08:42.40 | Frost^ | don't seem to have it here |
| 08:42.47 | Renze | it doesn't come with KDE |
| 08:42.50 | canllaith | no you have to install it :) |
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| 08:42.54 | canllaith | just google, it's the first hit |
| 08:42.55 | cohmapapphome | I hope this is the right place to ask: On a Mandrake box running KDE, I'm trying to set my screensaver. Tests work fine, but when it's time for the screensaver to come up for real, I get a black screen. The monitor is not going into power save mode, so that's not it. |
| 08:43.02 | Frost^ | oh ok |
| 08:43.03 | Frost^ | thanks :) |
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| 08:47.47 | canllaith | ok Renze prepare to be scared with lots of my family in bathers. *uploads* |
| 08:47.54 | Renze | heh |
| 08:47.57 | canllaith | ... any time now, dsl ..... |
| 08:48.04 | canllaith | come on..... you can do it |
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| 08:48.49 | canllaith | she lives in korea, she's not even australian.. why is she doing this to me? |
| 08:48.51 | Renze | hola anders |
| 08:48.57 | canllaith | sredna: ! Hey there :) |
| 08:49.07 | sredna | Hi Renze, canllaith :) |
| 08:49.18 | Renze | * Fly me to the moon, and let me play among the stars... * |
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| 08:49.30 | canllaith | * let me see what spring is like on... jupiter and mars.... * |
| 08:50.12 | Renze | snoopy! |
| 08:50.17 | canllaith | yeah there's snoopy lol |
| 08:50.20 | canllaith | and my other sexy korean fashions |
| 08:50.33 | canllaith | Dianne is also wearing a korean bathing suit, can ya tell? ;) |
| 08:51.10 | canllaith | and damn, look how long my hair is now in that one where I am looking away talking to Andrew |
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| 08:51.41 | Renze | not quite to the waist yet :) |
| 08:51.42 | canllaith | (sorry, I just so rarely see myself from the back =p) |
| 08:52.24 | canllaith | who was it that had a weakness for freckles? Was it you or steven ? |
| 08:52.34 | Renze | me :) |
| 08:52.46 | canllaith | I think it was both of you actually |
| 08:53.03 | canllaith | So there you go, todays outings. |
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| 08:59.39 | df00z | Sup? Hm, is there a KDE changelog anywhere? |
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| 09:04.32 | Skiver | something's wrong with msn |
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| 09:10.23 | sredna | Skiver: Yes, it's owned by m$ :p |
| 09:11.03 | MrGrim | sredna: :) |
| 09:11.39 | Skiver | yea, and it allows linux users to connect using ported messenger programs, but not msn messenger |
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| 10:05.56 | canllaith | heh tis dead in here slayerbob |
| 10:05.58 | slayerbob | :o |
| 10:06.18 | slayerbob | :( |
| 10:06.36 | slayerbob | and here is me all insufficiently inebriated |
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| 10:09.52 | sredna | Hi canllaith, slayerbob |
| 10:10.08 | sredna | Boring saturday evening? |
| 10:10.46 | canllaith | sredna: not here.... the germans are all dancing and singing schnappi das kleine Krokodil (sp?) |
| 10:10.59 | canllaith | and we're all quite tipsy.... |
| 10:11.05 | sredna | Lol |
| 10:11.12 | canllaith | omg and dave almost fell down the stairs 0_0 |
| 10:16.09 | slayerbob | he did ? |
| 10:16.13 | slayerbob | dammit and i missed it :( |
| 10:19.27 | canllaith | lol yes he went looking for your father upstairs |
| 10:19.33 | canllaith | and then on the way back down again stumbled on the top step |
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| 10:29.13 | funky | hi |
| 10:29.24 | sredna | Hi ho, funky |
| 10:29.54 | funky | hi ho, lets go |
| 10:30.56 | MrPingouin | hmmm |
| 10:31.10 | MrPingouin | I'm using kde since 1 month |
| 10:31.38 | MrPingouin | i use kontact, konqueror, what kind of cool apps haven't I tested yet ? |
| 10:32.36 | sredna | MrPingouin: What do you want to do today? |
| 10:32.41 | sredna | :o |
| 10:32.53 | MrPingouin | something cool :) |
| 10:33.15 | MrPingouin | i also have tested amarok |
| 10:33.35 | sredna | Kopete? |
| 10:33.43 | MrPingouin | hmmm, no i'm using psi :) |
| 10:34.02 | sredna | Kopete supports jabber, including group chat and file transfers |
| 10:34.09 | MrPingouin | yeah i know |
| 10:34.21 | MrPingouin | i've tested it |
| 10:34.28 | sredna | Do you do development work? |
| 10:34.43 | MrPingouin | you mean contribute in the kde project ? |
| 10:34.58 | sredna | I mean web pages or code |
| 10:35.12 | MrPingouin | yep |
| 10:35.17 | MrPingouin | I guess you'll talk of kdevelop ! |
| 10:35.27 | sredna | Kdevelop, quanta, kate |
| 10:35.34 | MrPingouin | use vim my friend. |
| 10:35.37 | MrPingouin | the force uses vim. |
| 10:35.45 | MrPingouin | vim is strong in the force. |
| 10:35.46 | MrPingouin | :) |
| 10:36.09 | sredna | I am a modern person, I use GUI tools :-) |
| 10:36.12 | MrPingouin | heh |
| 10:36.20 | MrPingouin | i'm not a dinosaur |
| 10:36.22 | canllaith | I do not think you want to encourate sredna to not use kate :( |
| 10:36.43 | MrPingouin | lol canllaith , force trick |
| 10:36.44 | MrPingouin | well no |
| 10:36.55 | MrPingouin | I don't think I want me to encourate sredna not to use kate |
| 10:37.19 | sredna | canllaith: Lol, that's likely going to be hard.. |
| 10:37.23 | canllaith | sredna: good :) |
| 10:40.57 | MrPingouin | ok |
| 10:41.21 | MrPingouin | ha maybe the dictionnary |
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| 10:42.43 | sredna | Lol |
| 10:42.47 | sredna | Hi PhilRod |
| 10:43.02 | MrPingouin | it's the final countdowwwn |
| 10:43.29 | canllaith | hiya PhilRod :) |
| 10:43.34 | MrPingouin | a friend of mine who never succeeds in prounouncing countdown always sings the final condom |
| 10:44.10 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.11 | PhilRod | hey canllaith, sredna :-) |
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| 11:09.24 | eckhart | hi |
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| 11:09.59 | eckhart | why do konqueror (and internet explorer) treat cookies different than firefox |
| 11:11.08 | Jambo | hello everybody =) |
| 11:11.46 | PhilRod | morning jal |
| 11:11.51 | PhilRod | err, Jambo |
| 11:12.07 | Jambo | hi :-) |
| 11:12.35 | Jambo | do I am in the right place for asking questions about eyecandy for kde (skinning icons etc) |
| 11:12.46 | PhilRod | yup - go ahead :-) |
| 11:13.01 | PhilRod | although the answer is usually 'look on kde-look.org' :-D |
| 11:13.09 | Jambo | ok....I've seen in some screenshots in kde-look |
| 11:13.10 | Jambo | lol |
| 11:13.22 | Jambo | some people have the go button |
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| 11:13.38 | Jambo | look like in mac or win with little icon and text on the side |
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| 11:13.59 | canllaith | hi lippel :) |
| 11:14.05 | Jambo | but I couldn't find on google any tutorial, tip on how to do that o_0 |
| 11:14.14 | lippel | hi canllaith ;) |
| 11:14.21 | PhilRod | Jambo: could you point us to a screenshot that shows what you want? |
| 11:14.23 | mart_k | eckhart: How does firefox handles them? |
| 11:14.28 | atomik | does koffice use the file format of openoffice ? |
| 11:14.31 | Jambo | yep let me look at the link... |
| 11:14.35 | eckhart | mart_k: i give you an example |
| 11:14.57 | eckhart | i'm sorry, it's in german, but that should not matter |
| 11:15.01 | eckhart | http://besenpower.org/ |
| 11:15.10 | eckhart | go to "Farben" |
| 11:15.25 | PhilRod | eckhart: in what way? |
| 11:15.45 | eckhart | PhilRod: it does not set a cookie inside a frame |
| 11:16.03 | Jambo | here is the link from Turkyx linux distro : |
| 11:16.04 | Jambo | http://tr.turkix.org/images/screenshots/t30/ss1.jpg |
| 11:16.12 | slayerbob | :o |
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| 11:17.00 | Jambo | I'm trying to realize a spectacular work on customizing kde to astonish people and convert them to linux =) |
| 11:17.31 | Jambo | eheheh it's slooow I know but those guys did a wonderful job on kde |
| 11:17.47 | PhilRod | apt: kmenu |
| 11:17.59 | Jambo | apt : ? |
| 11:18.07 | canllaith | I ilke that squarer kmenu button I have to admit |
| 11:18.09 | PhilRod | Jambo: I wrote a little FAQ about changing the KMenu button |
| 11:18.25 | mart_k | eckhart: I don't see differents between Konqueror and Firefox. |
| 11:18.25 | canllaith | PhilRod, you're kidding me.. so did I |
| 11:18.27 | Jambo | wonderfulll...could u point me to it pls Phil ? |
| 11:18.35 | PhilRod | canllaith: did it get included in the proper FAQ? (I originally put it on the wiki) |
| 11:18.37 | PhilRod | apt: kdefaq |
| 11:18.39 | apt | it has been said that kdefaq is http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ |
| 11:18.40 | canllaith | PhilRod, yes |
| 11:18.49 | PhilRod | Jambo: ^^ that link |
| 11:18.52 | canllaith | if this is what you're talking about |
| 11:18.59 | Jambo | oh ok =) |
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| 11:19.11 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2870563 |
| 11:19.15 | eckhart | mart_k: sorry, just been away |
| 11:19.17 | canllaith | or are you talking about the square button patch in specific? |
| 11:19.28 | eckhart | look at "Farben" |
| 11:19.43 | Jambo | actually im looking to whataver explains how to deeply customize kde |
| 11:19.47 | eckhart | click on "Schwarz" |
| 11:19.49 | canllaith | square/rectangle whatever |
| 11:19.54 | Jambo | yes |
| 11:20.00 | eckhart | the design should change to black |
| 11:20.02 | canllaith | Jambo, heh just go to kde-look.org |
| 11:20.18 | mart_k | eckhart: done. |
| 11:20.25 | canllaith | and kde-apps.org and look for screenshots that look cool to you :) then install those apps |
| 11:20.28 | Jambo | I know...but some things cant be found there...like the square k menu tip... |
| 11:20.37 | Jambo | already installed systrayv2 |
| 11:20.41 | canllaith | yeah I can't find that one and Renze looked for me for ages the other day |
| 11:20.47 | eckhart | mart_k: now click on any other link at the left |
| 11:20.50 | mart_k | eckhart: I go eat something, brb. |
| 11:20.53 | Renze | they hid it really well |
| 11:20.59 | Jambo | and all the v2 I could find :) |
| 11:21.08 | Jambo | but still looking.... |
| 11:21.08 | eckhart | mart_k: now in konqueror the design changes back |
| 11:21.18 | eckhart | mart_k: in firefox it remains |
| 11:21.37 | Jambo | this is my latest screenshot : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19685 |
| 11:21.53 | Jambo | AndyGio is my nic on kde-look |
| 11:22.22 | PhilRod | Jambo: there is a section in the userguide about the KDE file structure, so you can find where icons, etc are installed |
| 11:22.41 | PhilRod | apt ug |
| 11:22.42 | apt | from memory, ug is http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng |
| 11:22.57 | Jambo | uhm problem...I know I can can change the K button icon |
| 11:23.02 | PhilRod | Jambo: the "KDE for administrators" section in that has the information |
| 11:23.07 | Jambo | but....not with the rectangle with text :-( |
| 11:23.22 | Jambo | already tried with no luck |
| 11:23.24 | canllaith | that is because you need a patch and we don't know where it is..... and I have looked, and so has Renze |
| 11:23.26 | canllaith | this came up the other day |
| 11:23.53 | Jambo | uhm ok so I need a specific patch for it |
| 11:24.06 | Jambo | this is a bit of info...thanks |
| 11:24.09 | canllaith | yes, you can't do it without modifying the sources for the kmenu |
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| 11:24.49 | volt3r | hi, how can i unmask all that packets for kde 3.4.0_beta1 at once ? |
| 11:25.02 | Jambo | i was good at skinning windows....but kde it's harder...you need to know coding :-/ |
| 11:25.12 | canllaith | Not for 'skinning' it no |
| 11:25.32 | Jambo | well to make a window deco theme... |
| 11:25.41 | Jambo | don't u need some knowledge of c++ ? |
| 11:25.41 | canllaith | You can use the icwm theme loader |
| 11:25.44 | canllaith | which only requires pixmaps |
| 11:26.16 | Jambo | uhm yup...but native kde > 3.2 ? |
| 11:26.47 | canllaith | No, if you want to not have to code it you can use the icewm theme loader which will let you create pixmaps :) |
| 11:27.25 | Jambo | I'll have a look at it...I'd like to port a couple of mssstyle that I like a lot |
| 11:27.27 | sredna | Wow, the history/bookmark searching rocks |
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| 11:27.44 | Jambo | then with permission from author post it kde-look |
| 11:28.17 | Jambo | also some peeps use Xfwm as win manger |
| 11:28.39 | Jambo | Phil don't warry....I want it like the most nice mac shots :-D |
| 11:28.48 | Jambo | (no aqua pls anymore...) |
| 11:29.00 | Jambo | do you gfxoasis ? |
| 11:29.05 | Jambo | do you know... |
| 11:29.26 | canllaith | gfxoasis ? |
| 11:29.31 | PhilRod | yeah, it's probably the nicest style |
| 11:29.40 | PhilRod | plastik, that is |
| 11:29.47 | PhilRod | keramik was yukky, IMHO |
| 11:29.55 | canllaith | Yeah, and all the plastik variants ... and phase |
| 11:30.01 | canllaith | mostly plastik though :) |
| 11:30.16 | Jambo | plastik is great i ve to agree |
| 11:30.22 | Jambo | but also all the AKCD |
| 11:30.31 | Jambo | except the nvidia one... |
| 11:30.40 | canllaith | mm most of the ones I have seen are clones of windows ones I think are ugly anyway :\ |
| 11:31.15 | Jambo | it depends of what u want to realize... some shots at gfxoasis are very nice |
| 11:31.32 | Jambo | but I need a way to port some msstyles or mac skins to kde |
| 11:31.39 | Jambo | (without coding :-P ) |
| 11:31.43 | canllaith | there is a msstyle loader in beta I believe |
| 11:31.50 | Jambo | tried it |
| 11:31.55 | Jambo | not really working |
| 11:32.04 | Jambo | especially with styles more complicated |
| 11:32.34 | Jambo | it's a pity nobody good at coding doen't write something to port msstyles |
| 11:32.44 | canllaith | probably because no-one really wants them .... |
| 11:32.50 | Jambo | I guess there are more important things to be done :-) |
| 11:33.35 | Jambo | uhm...let me be more specific...there are many good styles out there |
| 11:33.41 | Jambo | not specifically win |
| 11:33.59 | Jambo | ill have a look at icewm |
| 11:34.08 | Jambo | to see if some can be ported |
| 11:34.17 | canllaith | I don't hear at all about people wanting to use macos themes either, not specifically win. |
| 11:34.49 | Jambo | uhm wait a sec...I'll give u a link to show what i talk about =) |
| 11:34.58 | Jambo | a pic is worth 1000 words.. |
| 11:35.14 | canllaith | now, I wonder why kopete hates me today |
| 11:35.27 | Renze | cvs borkage? |
| 11:35.41 | canllaith | mm possible I guess |
| 11:35.48 | canllaith | my last update was yesterday and it's not being horrible to me until today |
| 11:35.55 | Renze | hmmm |
| 11:36.17 | Jambo | http://www.studiotwentyeight.com/index2.htm |
| 11:36.28 | Jambo | here...look at visualstyeles |
| 11:36.33 | Jambo | (flash required) |
| 11:36.41 | canllaith | then no can do :) |
| 11:36.55 | Jambo | lol |
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| 11:37.24 | Renze | ugh... flash overload... |
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| 11:38.13 | Jambo | yep it's designed in flash |
| 11:38.26 | Renze | too much flash |
| 11:38.53 | Jambo | eheh i dont think he did a non flash version :-( |
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| 11:54.04 | mart_k | eckhart: Ok: I see the difference. I will look where it is come from. |
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| 12:02.37 | eckhart | mart_k: the funny thing is that is does not work when you look at http://besenpower.org/ |
| 12:03.09 | eckhart | mart_k: but it does work when you look at http://crackout.cybton.com/ |
| 12:03.35 | eckhart | although the first url ist just a frameset with the second in it |
| 12:03.55 | mart_k | eckhart: The cookie is sent through http before the webpage. |
| 12:04.29 | mart_k | eckhart: I don't now how the specification is: should such a cookie be accepted or not. |
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| 12:08.18 | mart_k | eckhart: I woundn't be surpriced if it was disabled for privacy reasons. |
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| 12:09.08 | DeadS0ul | hello |
| 12:09.12 | mart_k | eckhart: A cookie from another domain then the webpage is requested. |
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| 12:12.26 | jita | why do fonts look nicer in linux than freebsd |
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| 12:20.46 | mart_k | Alkis: if you want to check the memory usage of a KDE program, use: cat /proc/$pid/status |
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| 13:10.11 | eckhart | mart_k: but why? |
| 13:10.54 | mart_k | eckhart: I don't know the internals of the cookie manager, and I also don't know the accept specification, but |
| 13:11.25 | mart_k | eckhart: in the location bar, there is a domain, and maybe users expect only to deal with that domain. |
| 13:11.45 | mart_k | eckhart: There is an option in konqueror to allow cookies from other domains, but it doesn't solve the problem. |
| 13:12.20 | eckhart | well, i don't see the point why the cookie is from "another domain" |
| 13:12.30 | mart_k | eckhart: That is a little bit strange, if the privacy reasons is the reason. |
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| 13:13.17 | mart_k | eckhart: The domein is: "besenpower.org", the cookie is from "cybton.com". |
| 13:13.17 | eckhart | the cookie should be stored as a cookie from cybton.com |
| 13:13.22 | marmaris | hi |
| 13:13.43 | eckhart | yes, but the page that wants to use the cookie is also from cyton.com |
| 13:13.51 | marmaris | how to enable utf8 in kde konsole? |
| 13:14.05 | sredna | Konquer will never send a cookie set by one domain to a host on an other domain. That would be totally unacceptable |
| 13:14.29 | eckhart | sredna: the problem is that konqueror does not even send it to the same domain |
| 13:14.48 | sredna | eckhart: If cookies are enabled for the domain, it will |
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| 13:15.35 | sredna | eckhart: If the path is correct of cause, ie a cookie with '/cgi-bin' in it's path wont be sent with the request for page /foo/bar |
| 13:15.40 | mart_k | sredna: Konqueror will accept cookies from another domain it you setup it, |
| 13:15.55 | sredna | mart_k: You are confusing things |
| 13:16.47 | mart_k | sredna: I mean the "Only allow cookies from original server" checkbox setting. |
| 13:16.56 | sredna | mart_k: There is an option not to accept cookies from other domains, which will prevent a image from ad.spying.com to set a cookie on a page in another domain |
| 13:17.24 | marmaris | how to enable utf8 in kde konsole? |
| 13:17.31 | sredna | mart_k: A cookie will of cause not be sent to any domain but the one owning it |
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| 13:17.55 | sredna | mart_k: Use a utf-8 font |
| 13:18.05 | sredna | marmaris: Use a utf-8 font |
| 13:18.08 | sredna | (sorry) |
| 13:18.21 | marmaris | i did but it doesn'T go |
| 13:18.27 | marmaris | xterm is ok |
| 13:18.44 | eckhart | mart_k: the problem with me is that konqueror does not even ask whether to accept the cookie |
| 13:18.57 | marmaris | i always become the message font "-misc-fixed-bla not found |
| 13:19.01 | eckhart | although i unchecked the option "only cookies from the same domain" |
| 13:19.04 | sredna | marmaris: Settings->encoding->utf-8 must of cause be enabled |
| 13:19.25 | marmaris | yes...and if i do that, the message above appears |
| 13:19.52 | marmaris | and i definately have a font with this encoding |
| 13:19.53 | sredna | marmaris: Try using a utf-8 font |
| 13:20.07 | mart_k | eckhart: Yes, I saw that, that is why I don't know for sure if everything is correct. |
| 13:20.09 | sredna | marmaris: Set one explicitly |
| 13:20.23 | marmaris | didn'T you read what i wrote? I HAVE AN UTF-( FONT |
| 13:20.30 | eckhart | is there a special konqueror channel |
| 13:20.38 | eckhart | to talk to the konqueror devs? |
| 13:20.47 | sredna | marmaris: I don't say install one, I said choose one, in the konsole settings. |
| 13:21.02 | marmaris | I did |
| 13:21.22 | sredna | Then it is supposed to work, with the utf-8 selection |
| 13:21.47 | marmaris | yes...and that doesn't |
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| 13:23.10 | sredna | marmaris: If you have bitstream vera, try that |
| 13:23.17 | mart_k | eckhart: I don't know of it, and I can't find one. |
| 13:23.22 | sredna | marmaris: It works fine here |
| 13:23.41 | sredna | (just to say that it can work) |
| 13:24.27 | mart_k | eckhart: There is a mailinglist (kfm-devel), but first check the bug system. |
| 13:24.41 | eckhart | just doing that |
| 13:25.37 | eckhart | what really irritates me that internet explorer in this case works identically |
| 13:26.03 | eckhart | opera and mozilla use the cookie |
| 13:27.36 | sredna | If a browser sends a cookie from one domain to a server in another domain, it's insecure |
| 13:28.03 | sredna | No userspace settings should enable that |
| 13:28.13 | eckhart | i'm not really familiar with cookies |
| 13:28.23 | eckhart | but why should any browser do that? |
| 13:28.34 | sredna | Well, rule nr 1: They can't cross domain borders |
| 13:29.16 | mart_k | sredna: It is a frame of another domain which want to set a cookie through http. |
| 13:29.37 | eckhart | mart_k: no |
| 13:29.47 | eckhart | it's not the frame that wants to set the cookie |
| 13:30.02 | eckhart | it's the domain inside which wants to set it |
| 13:30.03 | mart_k | I mean the framepage. |
| 13:30.08 | eckhart | ok :-) |
| 13:30.19 | mart_k | So domain A have a frame of domain B, |
| 13:30.39 | mart_k | and that page of domain B wants to set a cookie in domain B. |
| 13:31.50 | marmaris | Font `-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso10646-1' not found |
| 13:32.09 | marmaris | it doesn't matter which font i choose |
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| 13:35.10 | sredna | mart_k: That should be ok |
| 13:35.36 | sredna | mart_k: Then domain B should be able to access its own cookie |
| 13:35.45 | eckhart | sredna: well, it is not |
| 13:36.27 | sredna | eckhart: And it you display the URL in the frame in it's own window? |
| 13:36.37 | eckhart | then it works |
| 13:37.03 | eckhart | if you use it in a frame not even the cookie dialog appears |
| 13:37.20 | eckhart | look at http://besenpower.org/ |
| 13:37.33 | eckhart | click on "Farben" |
| 13:37.41 | eckhart | then select "Schwarz" |
| 13:37.49 | eckhart | the color should change to black |
| 13:37.57 | eckhart | and a cookie is set |
| 13:38.13 | eckhart | so in the future the page should remain black |
| 13:38.16 | sredna | It does |
| 13:38.33 | eckhart | sredna: inside the frameset? |
| 13:38.47 | eckhart | or loaded as an extra page |
| 13:38.54 | sredna | Yes |
| 13:39.07 | sredna | If I click 'original' it changes back |
| 13:40.00 | sredna | I allow session cookies automatically, I don't allow foreign cookies, and the general policy for non-session cookes are 'ask'. I was not asked, which is ok since the cookie expirs at the time it was set. |
| 13:40.10 | sredna | Inside the frameset |
| 13:40.23 | sredna | eckhart: I use cvs HEAD, I should say |
| 13:40.36 | mart_k | sredna: If you press on "Farben" in the menu again, it should remain black. |
| 13:40.57 | sredna | mart_k: It does not |
| 13:41.16 | sredna | mart_k: I think that is to do with caching |
| 13:41.18 | mart_k | sredna: In firefox it does, there is the cookie for. |
| 13:41.32 | eckhart | in opera, too |
| 13:43.34 | eckhart | the php command i use to set the cookie is |
| 13:44.19 | eckhart | setcookie("stil", $_POST['farbe'], time()+60*60*24*365, "/"); |
| 13:44.25 | eckhart | no, sorry |
| 13:44.37 | eckhart | setcookie("stil", $_GET['farbe'], time()+60*60*24*365, "/"); |
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| 13:46.13 | sredna | Mh, I think I disabled cookies for that domain |
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| 13:46.23 | sredna | I'd have to enable them again to test |
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| 13:51.12 | mart_k | sredna/eckhart: The following information is send in the HTTP-header: |
| 13:51.23 | mart_k | Set-Cookie: stil=schwartz; expires=Sun, 15-Jan-2006 13:45:48 GMT; path=/\r\n |
| 13:52.40 | UziMonkey | mmm... cookies |
| 13:54.16 | eckhart | mart_k: i think you should have copied it |
| 13:54.31 | eckhart | it should say "stil=schwarz" ;-) |
| 13:55.20 | mart_k | eckhart: Well, I couldn't copy it from ethereal, so I typed it over. |
| 13:55.51 | eckhart | no problem |
| 13:56.37 | eckhart | it seems correct to me |
| 13:56.54 | eckhart | the only thing i don't know whether it is right is |
| 13:56.58 | eckhart | "path=/" |
| 13:57.15 | eckhart | but in my opinion it should be |
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| 13:58.06 | sredna | That should be correct |
| 13:58.24 | mart_k | eckhart: That is quite a common value for path. |
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| 13:58.36 | eckhart | yes, i know |
| 14:00.03 | mart_k | Is there another way to send this type of header-fields? |
| 14:00.15 | mart_k | It could be useful for making a simple test-case. |
| 14:01.00 | eckhart | i think javascript is capable of creating cookies |
| 14:01.08 | eckhart | but i don't like java ;-) |
| 14:01.46 | mart_k | eckhart: Yes, but that is not useful for making a test case. |
| 14:02.07 | eckhart | i know |
| 14:02.17 | eckhart | i don't know whether it works |
| 14:02.20 | mart_k | eckhart: btw: java not equals javascript, they are quite different. |
| 14:02.30 | eckhart | argh |
| 14:02.47 | eckhart | yes, i should have known |
| 14:03.05 | eckhart | well, http-equiv should work similarly to headers |
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| 14:05.07 | MrPingouin | lol |
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| 14:09.21 | eckhart | mart_k: in theory, you could use such a code |
| 14:09.25 | eckhart | http://www.ewsoftware.de/temp/cookie-test.html |
| 14:09.36 | eckhart | but konqueror does not handle it |
| 14:09.45 | eckhart | (firefox does) |
| 14:11.57 | mart_k | eckhart: Konqueror does handles it here: it ask for a cookie, even if I load it from a frameset from a local file. |
| 14:13.34 | eckhart | well, you are right |
| 14:13.45 | eckhart | i somehow changed my cookie policy |
| 14:14.13 | mart_k | eckhart: Maybe, it is a workaround for the problem. |
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| 14:25.34 | Julianyus | hi |
| 14:26.15 | eckhart | mart_k: yes, you are right |
| 14:26.25 | eckhart | it really seems to be a konqueror problem |
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| 14:26.58 | Dsforsaken | how do i ue themes in kde? |
| 14:27.03 | eckhart | i created two testcases |
| 14:27.08 | eckhart | http://www.ewsoftware.de/temp/cookie-test.html |
| 14:27.10 | eckhart | and |
| 14:27.15 | eckhart | http://www.ewsoftware.de/temp/cookie-test.php |
| 14:27.53 | eckhart | if you create a frameset with the first one in it, then the cookie is set |
| 14:27.54 | Dsforsaken | in emerged kdeartwork where r all of the themes? |
| 14:28.00 | eckhart | with the second, it is not set |
| 14:28.33 | MrPingouin | Dsforsaken: see in the kde control center i guess |
| 14:28.34 | Dsforsaken | in emerged kdeartwork where r all of the themes? |
| 14:28.39 | Dsforsaken | i did |
| 14:28.41 | mart_k | eckhart: Yes, it looks like a good test case. |
| 14:28.45 | Dsforsaken | but there r no themes |
| 14:28.54 | Dsforsaken | it only says install themes and i dunno where they r |
| 14:28.56 | mart_k | eckhart: How does it work in other browsers? |
| 14:28.56 | MrPingouin | Dsforsaken: try http://kde-look.org |
| 14:29.10 | eckhart | well, in firefox both work well |
| 14:29.12 | MrPingouin | Dsforsaken: i think it contains themes |
| 14:29.38 | eckhart | for opera and internet explorer (which is no browser ;-) ) i need my brother's windows |
| 14:30.18 | mart_k | eckhart: I think you can report a bug with this. |
| 14:30.53 | mart_k | eckhart: If the behaviour of firefox is against the specification, the bug can always be closed as invalid. |
| 14:31.21 | mart_k | eckhart: Don't forget to include your testcase. |
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| 14:31.56 | eckhart | well, at least there is a wrong behaviour because the http-equiv metas should be treated like other headers |
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| 14:33.20 | mart_k | eckhart: yes, that is right. |
| 14:34.06 | MrPingouin | Dsforsaken: is it ok ? |
| 14:34.56 | Dsforsaken | yea |
| 14:34.58 | Dsforsaken | thx |
| 14:35.01 | MrPingouin | Dsforsaken: i'm looking at the content of kdeartwork |
| 14:35.09 | MrPingouin | it conais only a lot of icons |
| 14:35.13 | MrPingouin | and some stuff with default themes |
| 14:35.16 | MrPingouin | but no extra themes |
| 14:35.21 | Dsforsaken | yea it took me 45 mins to install it has to b for sumthin |
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| 14:35.30 | MrPingouin | lol |
| 14:35.32 | Dsforsaken | lol |
| 14:35.40 | MrPingouin | you must be fool trying to emerge kde |
| 14:35.53 | MrPingouin | i tried it some years ago on a p2 400 |
| 14:36.10 | MrPingouin | after 18h of emerging, i hadn't passed the kdebase package |
| 14:37.36 | OpenSorce | this is wierd: in KDE all the fonts for my GTK apps (XCHAT etc) are huge until I open Gnome Control Center then they go back to normal, but then all the fonts in my KDE apps are tiny. Any thoughts? |
| 14:38.35 | MrPingouin | consult an ophthalmologist ? :) |
| 14:38.38 | MrPingouin | sorry, i have no clue |
| 14:38.41 | OpenSorce | MrGrim: LOL |
| 14:38.48 | OpenSorce | stupid nick complete |
| 14:38.52 | MrPingouin | heh |
| 14:39.21 | MrPingouin | do you have the gtk fonts settings in your kde control center ? |
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| 14:39.43 | MrPingouin | sorry, brb |
| 14:39.50 | OpenSorce | MrPingouin: I've never noticed that before, let me look |
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| 14:40.35 | ponto | Maybe the display resolution causes trouble? |
| 14:40.36 | baoji | OpenSorce: I used to have your problem. The issue is the gconfd daemon which starts when you open the gnome cc. |
| 14:40.57 | baoji | You can either choose to start it everytime kde starts, and then just change your kde fonts |
| 14:41.09 | baoji | or use the lovely and new gtk fonts settings control panel |
| 14:41.24 | OpenSorce | baoji: lovely and new sounds better |
| 14:41.28 | OpenSorce | :-) |
| 14:42.24 | OpenSorce | baoji: where would I find this gtk fonts settings control panel? |
| 14:44.33 | baoji | hm |
| 14:44.55 | baoji | OpenSorce: It used to be under Appearance and Themes, but I don't see it there. Maybe I need to install kde addons or something along those lines. |
| 14:45.52 | OpenSorce | baoji: I have KDE 3.3.2 with kde-addons I don't have it either..... |
| 14:46.10 | baoji | This is definitely something more recent than 3.3.2 though. |
| 14:46.30 | baoji | OpenSorce: (using beta of 3.4) |
| 14:46.41 | baoji | I follow cvs |
| 14:46.47 | OpenSorce | ah....so upgrade KDE again or run gconfd at login.... |
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| 14:47.22 | OpenSorce | I suppose, since I login via KDM I could just drop gconfd in my .bash_profile... |
| 14:47.36 | baoji | OpenSorce: I guess so. You can put a link to gconfd in your .kde/Autostart and it will automatically start up. |
| 14:48.49 | OpenSorce | baoji: it needs to run prior to kde start up if possible, in order to make all fonts the right size I have to reload the panel and everything (usually by changing application feedback) |
| 14:49.14 | OpenSorce | baoji: thanks for your help :-) |
| 14:49.26 | baoji | OpenSorce: you're welcome-- I hope you get the problem sorted out. |
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| 14:49.45 | OpenSorce | baoji: I'm sure I will, thanks again |
| 15:01.04 | MrPingouin | hey ! |
| 15:01.12 | MrPingouin | I haven't my gtk settings in the kde control center ! |
| 15:01.35 | MrPingouin | how can I "activate" it ? |
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| 15:16.20 | MacTalla | I just installed Beta1, but now I don't see my audiocd slave. Which package should that be located in? Anyone know if it depends on something else in order to install? |
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| 15:17.44 | fred87 | kdemultimedia. |
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| 15:18.37 | MacTalla | fred87: thx |
| 15:19.56 | fred87 | it might need cdparanoia libs |
| 15:20.48 | MacTalla | fred87: thx I'll have a look at that. Looks like possibly audiofile, as well. |
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| 15:27.34 | Osato | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.53 | Osato | wtf does kdebase3-devel reuqire audacity ?!?! |
| 15:29.17 | MacTalla | fred87: Looks like cdparanoia was probably it. recompiling now. |
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| 15:32.13 | Iriad | does anyone know who the genius was that hardcoded "-nolisten" into the kdm_config file in KDE 3.3.1? I've been going mad trying to work out why I couldn't enable the listener, and I've found it's impossible! |
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| 15:35.22 | eckhart | mart_k: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97077 |
| 15:35.40 | eckhart | i hope everything is correct |
| 15:36.33 | mart_k | eckhart: I seems correct to me. |
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| 15:38.57 | Spg | Hi, How would I be able to tell if the bytecode interpreter is being used to display fonts? I followed all the installation steps, And the fonts still look a little off too me |
| 15:40.14 | Dsforsaken | im confused when installing themes... |
| 15:40.34 | Dsforsaken | how do i run the script style-install.sh |
| 15:41.22 | Spg | just go to a console and type 'sh style-install.sh' in that directory. Though most themes i use i install through control center |
| 15:41.37 | Dsforsaken | how do u instal through ocntrol centre |
| 15:41.57 | Spg | well, it depends on the theme, But with that theme it looks like you must execute that script to do it |
| 15:42.26 | Dsforsaken | Spg: ok i use the sh thing and it says QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used 2 times and then it says theme successfull installed |
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| 15:42.42 | Spg | ok now go to control center and select the theme |
| 15:43.11 | Dsforsaken | theme manage right? |
| 15:43.14 | Spg | yeah |
| 15:44.17 | Dsforsaken | i lcick install theme and where do i go with that? |
| 15:44.43 | Spg | no the theme is installed... Just click on Styles, Icons, Background etc and enable the bits of the theme |
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| 15:46.47 | Dsforsaken | thx |
| 15:46.57 | Spg | no prob |
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| 15:56.01 | Dsforsaken | for theme i got 2 .h files 2 .cpp files and a .kcsrc wut do i do with em? |
| 15:56.51 | DeadZed | How do I get my desktop look like OSX (aqua theme) ? http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=153&file1=153-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Acqua |
| 15:57.03 | DeadZed | Please |
| 15:57.10 | DeadZed | Pretty Pliiiz |
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| 16:02.18 | Dsforsaken | wut do i open .theme files with? |
| 16:02.37 | DeadZed | Dsforsaken Where do you get .theme files? |
| 16:02.52 | DeadZed | in KDE COntrol centre there is theme section |
| 16:03.27 | DeadZed | Do you know how to install aqua theme and where to get it in .theme form? |
| 16:04.52 | DeadZed | Dsforsaken Are you f*ckin dead? |
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| 16:11.27 | dedikerad | nutshell42, hello! may i pm you? |
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| 16:14.27 | dedikerad | nutshell42, i left some memos, see you around old friend :) |
| 16:14.28 | Dsforsaken | DeadZed: no i am not dead its called busy and impatience will only make u wait longer.... |
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| 16:19.18 | DeadZed | Dsforsaken Can you point me to the right direction with getting themes installed on KDE please. On http://www.kde-look.org there are only zipped packages incompatible with KDE Control Centre |
| 16:19.21 | DeadZed | There should be an easy way to install new themes with everything included (deb or rpm packages) |
| 16:21.14 | DeadZed | . |
| 16:21.18 | DeadZed | http://www.astonshell.com/skins/?section=0&cat=0&show=10&sort=2 |
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| 16:24.44 | StevenR | DeadZed: well that would be a distro specific thing, having to deal with the package manager |
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| 16:25.58 | DeadZed | StevenR Whats the easiest way to get gull aqua theme .. to make it look exactly like OSX ?? |
| 16:26.08 | DeadZed | get full ** |
| 16:26.29 | DeadZed | CAn you point me in right direction please |
| 16:26.38 | StevenR | DeadZed: dunno, not really tried. you need baghira and one of the rade8 packages for icons |
| 16:27.22 | DeadZed | what about this sleek osx bar at the bottom .. is it some plugin or smth |
| 16:27.57 | DeadZed | like this here http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=153&file1=153-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Acqua |
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| 16:28.26 | nutshell42 | DeadZed: there are dozens of osX like docks at kde-look.org - If you want it fast&easy you'll have to look whether your distribution provides packages |
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| 16:28.55 | DeadZed | debs go - Mepis |
| 16:29.14 | DeadZed | so i need to install some docks |
| 16:29.19 | DeadZed | "docks" ?? |
| 16:29.33 | DeadZed | blah |
| 16:29.34 | nutshell42 | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10955 |
| 16:29.50 | nutshell42 | that's what apple called its panel |
| 16:30.03 | nutshell42 | if you don't like "dock" shoot steve jobs =) |
| 16:30.09 | DeadZed | I tried aston for win and it rules ! http://www.astonshell.com/skins/?page=2&sort=2&sort=2 |
| 16:33.22 | Spg | its ok |
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| 16:34.49 | MacTalla | Anyone here familiar w/ KDM? In particular how it determines which Sessions to list when logging on? |
| 16:35.37 | MacTalla | I just upgraded to beta1, and then it told me a certain ones where obsolete (or perhaps another word, but that general idea). I want to make my own script, where should I put it so it will take & use it? |
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| 16:37.17 | nutshell42 | /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions? |
| 16:37.50 | nutshell42 | don't know just seems to contain lots of files that look like they could be interesting =) |
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| 16:40.47 | MacTalla | nutshell42: thx I'll have a look. not sure what those .desktop files are |
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| 17:35.47 | Beineri | it's so silent here. KDE has no users anymore? |
| 17:35.51 | tcd_home | Hi at all |
| 17:37.26 | Beineri | *huch* |
| 17:37.39 | Beineri | StevenR: scary :-) |
| 17:43.37 | Mooby | Beineri: kde users have no questions to ask on their desktop as it "just works" :) |
| 17:43.53 | Beineri | Mooby: or everyone is still busy compiling 3.4 beta? |
| 17:44.07 | Mooby | I've compiled it :) |
| 17:44.10 | Mooby | very fast :) |
| 17:44.19 | StevenR | *beta |
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| 17:44.45 | Beineri | why not? binary package installed? :-) |
| 17:47.30 | StevenR | Beineri: nah, gonna get it when it's actually out. |
| 17:47.52 | Beineri | StevenR: breaking news, 3.4 beta is out |
| 17:48.08 | StevenR | yes, beta is out, but not final release |
| 17:49.06 | Beineri | it will never become final if nobody tests it :-) |
| 17:51.23 | StevenR | true, but I dont want to compile it at the moment. I dont want to run a beta version of such a crucial piece of software. I cant afford any downtime just now. |
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| 18:04.57 | hackeron_ | just trying out gentoo's new separate ebuilds for KDE. Could anyone tell me what KDE package supplies the 'about:blank' page in konqueror? |
| 18:07.13 | PhilRod | kdebase, I'd uess |
| 18:07.15 | PhilRod | guess* |
| 18:07.37 | hackeron_ | PhilRod: no, what package from kdebase |
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| 18:07.57 | PhilRod | oh, I don't know anything about how gentoo have split it up, sorry |
| 18:08.27 | yansanmo | because kdebase is a package... |
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| 18:16.32 | Beineri | KDE ships empty pages? :-) |
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| 18:20.55 | yansanmo | my about:blank page is at line 4251 of kdelibs/khtml/khtml_part.cpp ;-p |
| 18:21.31 | neo2004 | hi, Im having problems with autologin into KDE on Mandrake 10.1, can anyone help? highly appreciated |
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| 18:42.58 | EdB | hi |
| 18:44.13 | EdB | since kde 3.4beta is out I want to try it but I am don't how to add a Kde3.4 session in my Kdm |
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| 19:03.04 | MacTalla | Anyone here upgraded to 3.4Beta1? |
| 19:03.23 | canllaith | yup |
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| 19:03.50 | MacTalla | canllaith: Does your devices:/ kioslave work? |
| 19:04.42 | canllaith | no |
| 19:04.53 | MacTalla | canllaith: nor your audiocd:/ ? |
| 19:05.45 | canllaith | that one I do not know - I do not have a cdrom drive |
| 19:06.05 | MacTalla | canllaith: Ok, well at least it's not just me/my system |
| 19:06.11 | MacTalla | canllaith: not running Gentoo, are you? |
| 19:06.20 | canllaith | No. |
| 19:06.27 | canllaith | Slackware |
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| 19:06.45 | MacTalla | canllaith: aiight. Then it's not gentoo's scripts, and I can expect it fixed in Beta2 :) |
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| 19:10.24 | mono | how do i upgrade from kde 3.2.3 to kde 3.3 on debian? just apt-get upgrade kdebase? |
| 19:11.17 | Mooby | debian stable has 2.x |
| 19:12.51 | mono | i have 3.2.3 from a debian |
| 19:22.31 | hackeron_ | hmm, also what sub-package in kdegraphics is responsible for thumbnail generation? |
| 19:25.45 | sredna | Nothing -- /home/anders/src/kde/build/kdebase/kioslave/thumbnail/.libs/kio_thumbnail.so |
| 19:26.02 | sredna | Stupid gentoo |
| 19:26.27 | sredna | hackeron_: It's not really kde questions, it's gentoo questions |
| 19:26.44 | sredna | hackeron_: If they are sane, they didn't split kdebase at all |
| 19:26.47 | hackeron_ | sredna: no, its a kde question |
| 19:26.59 | sredna | No |
| 19:27.11 | lauri | then the kde answer is "it's in kdebase" |
| 19:27.34 | sredna | To get a basic kde installation, you need kdelibs and kdebase, as far as kde is concerned |
| 19:27.36 | hackeron_ | lauri: where in kdebase. Kdebase has what, 30 different parts? |
| 19:27.38 | lauri | KDE provides the sources as a single tarball, what your specific distribution does with it after that is entirely after them |
| 19:27.44 | lauri | no, kdebase is one thing |
| 19:27.46 | sredna | To get support for kde applications, you need kdelibs. |
| 19:27.56 | lauri | if *your distribution* splits it, you need to ask *them* not KDE |
| 19:28.02 | hackeron_ | lauri: kdebase is a meta package |
| 19:28.09 | lauri | in gentoo |
| 19:28.13 | sredna | hackeron_: Not for kde |
| 19:28.14 | lauri | not as far as KDE is concerned |
| 19:28.16 | hackeron_ | lauri: no, in kde |
| 19:28.18 | lauri | no |
| 19:28.27 | hackeron_ | lauri: in gentoo kde is a meta package that includes kdebase |
| 19:28.31 | sredna | hackeron_: KDEBASE IS NOT A META PACKAGE |
| 19:28.37 | lauri | yes, so go ask GENTOO not kde |
| 19:28.58 | lauri | because we don't know what gentoo does with the single kdebase package that we provide from the sources |
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| 19:29.03 | hackeron_ | lauri: why? -- I'm asking a kde question. Go to CVS and look at redme. It says kdebase is a meta package and gives a list of what it holds |
| 19:29.05 | sredna | Gentoos naming is broken, and if they split kdebase, they are not sane |
| 19:29.06 | ciga | hi |
| 19:29.12 | hackeron_ | lauri: readme* |
| 19:29.22 | sredna | Hi ciga |
| 19:29.24 | lauri | hackeron_: KDE's cvs? |
| 19:29.28 | hackeron_ | lauri: yup |
| 19:29.45 | lauri | kdebase is the second mandatory package (besides kdelibs) for the K Desktop |
| 19:29.45 | lauri | Environment. Here we have various applications and infrastructure files and |
| 19:29.45 | lauri | libraries. Here is an overview of the directories: |
| 19:29.54 | lauri | no mention of meta anything |
| 19:30.00 | sredna | Anders@pluto ~ $ grep -i meta src/kde/kdebase/README |
| 19:30.00 | sredna | Anders@pluto ~ $ |
| 19:30.04 | lauri | and it's still irrelevant |
| 19:30.08 | sredna | Dooh |
| 19:30.26 | lauri | KDE tars up the *entire kdebase module* in one tarball, and that is what the packagers start with |
| 19:31.25 | lauri | note it mentioning being the second mandatory package (singular) after the kdelibs package (which would be the first, and is also as far as we're concerned, a single thing) |
| 19:31.29 | hackeron_ | lauri: ok, but it lists what kdebase includes |
| 19:31.38 | hackeron_ | lauri: now, I want to know what part does thumbnail generation |
| 19:31.38 | lauri | well yes |
| 19:31.43 | lauri | most books have a table of contents |
| 19:31.51 | lauri | that doesn't make each chapter a separate book |
| 19:31.53 | sredna | I allready answered that, hackeron_ |
| 19:31.57 | sredna | Nothing -- /home/anders/src/kde/build/kdebase/kioslave/thumbnail/.libs/kio_thumbnail.so |
| 19:32.22 | lauri | hackeron_: and we don't know? we should take a wild ass guess how precisely the distribution you use, and we don't, breaks up the package that we don't break up? |
| 19:32.28 | sredna | (you can conclude that the thumbnail kio slave is in kdebase/kioslave) |
| 19:32.39 | lauri | sredna told you what directory that's in |
| 19:32.47 | hackeron_ | sredna: so in kioslave? |
| 19:32.55 | ciga | I have libqt3 from sarge. I'd like to compile quanta from HEAD (kdelibs and kdebase 3.4 beta1 was fine), but it gives me an error: undefined reference to `xmlCharStrndup'. and there is a warning before this saying: "libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.6". qt3 was compiled with 3.3, while I wanted to compile beta1 with gcc 3.4. it is all about? cos I have libqt3 compiled with gcc 3.3 I need to compile quanta with gcc 3.3,a |
| 19:32.55 | ciga | lso? |
| 19:32.58 | ciga | hi sredna |
| 19:33.00 | sredna | Exactly :-) |
| 19:33.17 | lauri | sredna: well, assuming there's a 'kioslave' sub package, which how we're supposed to magically know that, I don't know |
| 19:33.24 | hackeron_ | lauri: no, forget distribution. Just imagine I compiled KDE myself with KDE's built in DO_NOT_COMPILE compile variable. |
| 19:33.40 | sredna | lauri: I have no idea, I do run gentoo, but I compile kde on my very own |
| 19:33.42 | lauri | DO_NOT_COMPILE is deprecated for KDE builds |
| 19:33.42 | hackeron_ | lauri: http://webcvs.kde.org/kdebase/README?rev=2.17&view=markup |
| 19:33.50 | hackeron_ | lauri: where does it say that? |
| 19:33.50 | lauri | although it works, mostly |
| 19:34.13 | lauri | hackeron_: you miss my point |
| 19:34.34 | lauri | I don't know what how and precisely *where* gentoo breaks up kdebase |
| 19:34.49 | lauri | if they do it by directory, then I'd guess 'kioslave' |
| 19:34.55 | lauri | but I have no way to know that (you didn't say so) |
| 19:35.00 | hackeron_ | lauri: forget getnoo damn it! -- I'm using DO_NOT_COMPILE |
| 19:35.01 | lauri | gentoo people know that |
| 19:35.19 | lauri | well you can't compile kdebase without the kioslaves duh |
| 19:35.22 | lauri | it'd fail |
| 19:35.31 | hackeron_ | lauri: sure you can. I've done so before. |
| 19:35.39 | lauri | then it'd be useless |
| 19:35.48 | lauri | and if you've done so before, you already know the answer |
| 19:35.52 | hackeron_ | lauri: you can compile it without kdeinit, although it wont run :) |
| 19:36.14 | lauri | good for you then |
| 19:36.20 | lauri | now go bug someone else |
| 19:37.11 | hackeron_ | lauri: this is a public channel. You dont want me to bug you, then dont answer :) |
| 19:37.30 | hackeron_ | lauri: no need to spread fud though. |
| 19:37.35 | lauri | what fud? |
| 19:38.34 | hackeron_ | lauri: 1) that gentoo split up KDE in wrong places 2) that you cant compile KDE without "insert any sub package here" and 3) that just because someone uses a specific distribution, it then must be the distro's fault. |
| 19:38.45 | lauri | please, just don't talk to me (the way to compile bits of kde packages is with inst-apps, it works very nicely) and building a useless kdebase without the kioslaves is just such a stupid thing to do even if it does work (and I'm not specially convinced it would) and gentoo are respoonsible for packaging breakups on their end |
| 19:39.02 | lauri | 1: I said "they broke it up themselves" not that they broke it up in the wrong place |
| 19:39.07 | hackeron_ | sredna: ah, it was kioslaves from kdebase, thanks. |
| 19:39.21 | lauri | 2: you can, and there are several mechanisms to do so, DO_NOT_COMPILE is one of them but prone to failure |
| 19:39.38 | lauri | 3: I didn't say it's the distro's fault (because I don't think anything is wrong) .. defensive much? |
| 19:39.56 | lauri | I did say, KDE only provides sources, in per-module tarballs, any further breakup *we don't know about* |
| 19:40.09 | hackeron_ | lauri: 1) they didnt break it up themselves. You can compile and install any part of KDE separately. They are using KDE's built in features |
| 19:40.30 | lauri | yes, you can |
| 19:40.36 | lauri | but that's not how we provide the tarballls |
| 19:40.41 | lauri | and what you do with it, is your business, not ours |
| 19:40.42 | hackeron_ | lauri: yes it is! |
| 19:41.19 | lauri | and we neither know nor care what you do with it, nor what gentoo does with it |
| 19:41.19 | hackeron_ | lauri: gentoo use the original tarball... |
| 19:41.30 | lauri | and makes multiple *packages* as you said |
| 19:41.38 | hackeron_ | lauri: I'm doing with it exactly what it says in the KDE documentation |
| 19:41.39 | fred87 | so? they then proceed to patch it into hell, and split it into multiple packages |
| 19:41.41 | lauri | *gentoo* does that, not us |
| 19:41.59 | lauri | you just refuse to listen don't you |
| 19:42.01 | hackeron_ | lauri: its not multiple packages, it meta packages that just compile part of kdebase just as instructed in KDE's documentation |
| 19:42.22 | fred87 | does the documentation say that's recommended or supported? |
| 19:42.38 | hackeron_ | fred87: recommended? no, supported? yes. |
| 19:42.53 | lauri | show me where the documentation says this |
| 19:42.56 | lauri | so I can go change it |
| 19:42.58 | hackeron_ | lauri: read the makefile |
| 19:42.59 | fred87 | supported as in it says we'll help you with it rather than it works? |
| 19:43.02 | lauri | please cite the line |
| 19:43.08 | fred87 | Makefile != documentation... |
| 19:43.12 | lauri | right |
| 19:43.23 | hackeron_ | fred87: comments in makefile != documentation? |
| 19:43.34 | lauri | makefiles are autogenerated |
| 19:43.41 | lauri | any comments in them are highly ignorable |
| 19:43.42 | ciga | possible to compile kdelibs + kdebase with gcc-3.4 (yes), and quanta with gcc-3.3, and use it on the same system? |
| 19:43.43 | lauri | so yes |
| 19:43.55 | lauri | ciga: no, not possible |
| 19:43.56 | PhilRod | ciga: recommended against, I think |
| 19:44.18 | sarah03 | ciga: If you have kdelibs and kdebase installed and compiled with gcc-3.3 as well, then yes. Otherwise. no. |
| 19:44.20 | ciga | PhilRod: sorry? |
| 19:44.23 | lauri | gcc is not ABI compatible for C++ across versions |
| 19:44.46 | fred87 | hackeron_ gnu autotools create the makefiles, so no, comments in makefiles are not documentation |
| 19:44.47 | hackeron_ | lauri: bah. Will you shut up already. Kde support compiling things manually. Thats what I did. |
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| 19:45.22 | fred87 | "kde build system supports it" != "kde users/developers support it" |
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| 19:45.55 | aficionado | Hi |
| 19:45.57 | lauri | now shut up and listen |
| 19:46.19 | PhilRod | hi aficionado |
| 19:46.21 | aficionado | Is there a way to remove the window borders when maximized? |
| 19:46.25 | lauri | http://www.kde.org/download/packagepolicy.php |
| 19:46.26 | lauri | read thta |
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| 19:46.57 | PhilRod | aficionado: I don't think you can do it generally, but for individual apps, you can remove the border by starting it with kstart |
| 19:47.03 | PhilRod | (see 'kstart --help') |
| 19:47.09 | aficionado | hmm... |
| 19:47.20 | lauri | then find me please, line by line cites where KDE names anything other than the packages we provide as source tarballs as "packages" |
| 19:47.24 | aficionado | I don't know I think I remember doing this in previous version of kde but I forgot where I found that option |
| 19:47.25 | lauri | and I will go fix them, because they are wrong |
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| 19:48.00 | sredna | aficionado: Some window dtyles support that |
| 19:48.12 | aficionado | hmm... |
| 19:48.21 | sredna | aficionado: Either implicit, or with a option |
| 19:48.21 | aficionado | oh...so its window style specific |
| 19:48.28 | lauri | and stop being so bloody defensive, I am not bashing gentoo by telling you they make the breakup decision, and your question is better directed to gentoo people, I tell the same to anyone from any distro asking what package anything is in, because hte most we can reliably answer is "kdebase" or "kdelibs" or tell what directory it is in within those modules |
| 19:48.29 | ciga | sometimes configure does not find my libxml2 installation. |
| 19:48.46 | aficionado | sredna: I guess I need to install plastik then =D |
| 19:48.47 | ciga | libxml2-dev: /usr/include/libxml2/libxml/parser.h |
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| 19:49.03 | aficionado | I go work on that... thanks! |
| 19:49.21 | aficionado | *will |
| 19:49.23 | sredna | aficionado: Let me know if you find some nice ones with support |
| 19:49.26 | hackeron_ | lauri: ok, fair enough. I'm in a bad mood. Sorry for taking it out on you. |
| 19:49.44 | At0mic_PC | Anyone know why System Notificatons > Player Settings would be greyed out? |
| 19:49.50 | At0mic_PC | I need to change the player. |
| 19:49.53 | aficionado | sredna: the config options for individual styles would be in Control Center? |
| 19:50.01 | sredna | At0mic_PC: Chose 'use a custom player' |
| 19:50.08 | PhilRod | aficionado: yup: appearance and themes->window decoration |
| 19:50.10 | hackeron_ | lauri: its just there is a clear separation of "sub packages" or whatever you call them in the readme file for each package |
| 19:50.16 | At0mic_PC | It is selected sredna. |
| 19:50.19 | sredna | aficionado: Yes, in the window decoration panel |
| 19:50.39 | aficionado | sredna: alright, thanks! :) |
| 19:50.40 | At0mic_PC | sredna: It is checked and the thing is greyed out. |
| 19:50.50 | hackeron_ | lauri: but I suppose its unreasonable to ask specifics as I may as well ask about a specific line in the code, not a question for #kde |
| 19:50.58 | sredna | At0mic_PC: Sounds strange! |
| 19:51.25 | sredna | At0mic_PC: is the sound system runing at all? |
| 19:51.45 | lauri | they are not sub packages, they are the directories in that cvs module |
| 19:52.01 | At0mic_PC | sredna: I guess, I can hear sounds but with the player it's just poping and clicking. If I try to play one of the sounds in the console I can make it work with another player. |
| 19:52.06 | lauri | it says specifically that in that README you're raving about |
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| 19:52.31 | sredna | At0mic_PC: I don't know what to say really, I never saw that button greyed out here |
| 19:52.33 | viking81 | ahojte :) |
| 19:52.48 | sredna | Hi |
| 19:52.49 | At0mic_PC | sredna: Is there a place I can change it with a config file? |
| 19:53.02 | sredna | At0mic_PC: Possibly |
| 19:53.10 | sredna | Rather, yes |
| 19:53.11 | lauri | so, cites please, where they are referred to in any way a sub packages in any form of documentation |
| 19:54.10 | Mooby | Hi |
| 19:54.18 | fred87 | no modules (other than possibly kdenonbeta or kdeextragear-*) should be split |
| 19:54.29 | viking81 | somebody from slovak republic ? |
| 19:54.34 | sredna | At0mic_PC: .kdecvs/share/config/knotifyrc:External player=artsplay |
| 19:54.39 | sredna | Thank you, grep |
| 19:54.41 | Mooby | I have a problem with my konqueror, which extension is used which gives me 30+ the same toolbar ? |
| 19:54.43 | Mooby | http://manu.agat.net/screenshot/pbkonqueror.png |
| 19:54.43 | hackeron_ | lauri: well, many of the "folders" there were their own separate package. Like the recently added juk or akregator. Now they are just "folders"? |
| 19:55.12 | lauri | correct |
| 19:55.15 | hackeron_ | Mooby: thats normal :) |
| 19:55.23 | viking81 | slovakia !!! |
| 19:55.31 | viking81 | slovak republic !!! |
| 19:55.41 | Mooby | ? |
| 19:55.42 | lauri | unless your distribution choose otherwise, which is entirely up to them, and whether we agree or not, that's their business, and it's up to them to support it |
| 19:55.46 | hackeron_ | lauri: well, when I'm told on bugs.kde.org to uninstall mpeglib out of kdemultimedia, arent such actions supported then? |
| 19:55.50 | viking81 | do you know where is slovak republic ?! |
| 19:56.04 | At0mic_PC | sredna: Thanks. |
| 19:56.15 | viking81 | aaaaaaaaaaaaa vy svine ! |
| 19:56.21 | lauri | hackeron_: sure, in from source builds, which is all we can support - packaging issues are referred on bugs.k.o to the respective packagers |
| 19:56.25 | viking81 | to tu naozaj nie je nikto zo slovenska ?! |
| 19:56.27 | sredna | viking81: You are OT |
| 19:56.39 | fred87 | hackeron_ it's whoever posted that advice on bugs.kde.org's choice as to if they want to help you or not. |
| 19:56.40 | viking81 | what is OT ? sredna... |
| 19:56.55 | sredna | viking81: But hey, I'k love to visit slovakia again |
| 19:56.59 | fred87 | hackeron_ btw what's prob with mpeglib in kdemultimedia? cdromAccess* ? |
| 19:57.08 | sredna | viking81: 'out of topic' |
| 19:57.20 | sredna | Or 'off topic' rather |
| 19:57.24 | viking81 | sredna :) |
| 19:57.35 | viking81 | neviem o com tocite takze je mi to jedno :) |
| 19:57.39 | hackeron_ | fred87: it has buffer issues when playing over network. Using arts_xine seems to work better, although far from perfect. |
| 19:57.44 | viking81 | slovak is very nice country ! |
| 19:58.19 | ciga | having 81 vikings. |
| 19:58.22 | lauri | you can edit the installed files in $PREFIX/lib/mcop/<name-of-plugin>.mcopclass |
| 19:58.40 | lauri | to change the priorities (I don't recall, higher priority number is first choice, I think) |
| 19:58.44 | hackeron_ | lauri: I wouldnt call this a packaging issue though. I could install the meta package that will give me anything, but I'm just trying to figure out what part of each kde package does what. |
| 19:58.44 | lauri | or remove the ones you don't want to use |
| 19:59.09 | viking81 | ciga dam ti zuvat ? |
| 19:59.36 | lauri | hackeron_: then just consider the meta packages to be what KDE actually released |
| 19:59.50 | hackeron_ | ah, just noticed a new feature. The close tab is now at the bottom of the dialog. Nice one :) |
| 20:01.00 | aficionado | hey, does KDE have any alternative ALT+TAB switchers that support the arrow keys? |
| 20:01.19 | lauri | you can change the keybinding |
| 20:01.19 | sredna | Eh, what? |
| 20:01.48 | aficionado | sredna: asking me? |
| 20:02.09 | yansanmo | aficionado: why the arrow keys support? |
| 20:02.11 | lauri | make it something that uses the arrow keys instead |
| 20:02.17 | sredna | aficionado: Yes. And I second lauri's answer -- you can set any shortcut you like for it |
| 20:02.46 | lauri | alt-tab -> alt-right arrow, shift-alt-tab -> alt-left arrow, or something |
| 20:02.54 | lauri | or maybe up and down makes more sense |
| 20:03.08 | lauri | i don't know, I just hold alt, and keep hitting tab until the one I want is chosen |
| 20:03.26 | sredna | I'll have to say that using the arrow keys for global shortcuts is a problematic idea, since allmost any application makes use of them -- webbrowsers, editors etc all use the arrow keys heavily |
| 20:03.30 | lauri | or use kpager, or use ctrl-tab or middle click on the desktop (heck there's a million ways to change to another window in KDE) |
| 20:03.47 | aficionado | there is a program for windows xp called XPTaskSwitch or what that does is lays out the window icons in an x by y grid, and then after you press alt+tab you can also use right/up/down/left to select the one that you are looking for |
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| 20:04.10 | lauri | maybe you'd like komposé |
| 20:04.21 | sredna | aficionado: A exposé clone... like komposé |
| 20:04.22 | aficionado | lauri: kompose is full screen, right? |
| 20:04.30 | lauri | not sure off the top of my head if that uses the arrows |
| 20:04.31 | lauri | yes |
| 20:04.43 | aficionado | ok, I'll go check that out... thanks |
| 20:05.55 | viking81 | global deejays - the sound of san francisco :) |
| 20:05.58 | sredna | Hm, actually it sounds pretty smart |
| 20:06.38 | viking81 | royal gigolos - no milk today :) |
| 20:06.50 | viking81 | groove coverage - runaway |
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| 20:07.20 | viking81 | benny benassi - satisfaction |
| 20:07.24 | hackeron_ | lauri: would just like to apologize again. Sorry I've been so aggressive and thanks for all your help. |
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| 20:08.04 | viking81 | asi mi tu nikto nerozumie po slovensky co ? |
| 20:08.09 | viking81 | to je super :) |
| 20:08.10 | lauri | your welcome, and thank you for the unexpected apology |
| 20:08.16 | viking81 | aspon vam tu mozem nadavat |
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| 20:08.22 | viking81 | vy kokoti pojebany |
| 20:08.36 | viking81 | bodaj by vas besby pes do titi pojebal vsetkych co ste tu :))) |
| 20:08.40 | lauri | about once a year on irc, someone totally suprises me to death by having manners and things, I guess this year it came early :) |
| 20:08.52 | viking81 | nikto ma tu nekickne ? |
| 20:08.57 | viking81 | to je predaaaaaa |
| 20:08.58 | viking81 | a |
| 20:09.00 | viking81 | b |
| 20:09.00 | viking81 | c |
| 20:09.00 | viking81 | d |
| 20:09.01 | viking81 | e |
| 20:09.01 | viking81 | f |
| 20:09.01 | viking81 | g |
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| 20:09.03 | viking81 | h |
| 20:09.05 | hackeron_ | lauri: heh :) -- I'm flattered. |
| 20:09.09 | viking81 | ii |
| 20:09.11 | viking81 | j |
| 20:09.12 | viking81 | k |
| 20:09.12 | viking81 | l |
| 20:09.13 | viking81 | m |
| 20:09.15 | viking81 | n |
| 20:09.17 | viking81 | o |
| 20:09.18 | lauri | viking81: stop that please, it's very annoying |
| 20:09.19 | viking81 | p |
| 20:09.21 | viking81 | r |
| 20:09.23 | viking81 | s |
| 20:09.24 | lauri | most of us know the alphabet already |
| 20:09.25 | viking81 | t |
| 20:09.27 | viking81 | u |
| 20:09.29 | viking81 | v |
| 20:09.31 | viking81 | x |
| 20:09.33 | viking81 | y |
| 20:09.35 | viking81 | z |
| 20:09.37 | viking81 | lauri vies co ma mozes ? |
| 20:09.41 | viking81 | 1 |
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| 20:09.59 | viking81 | 11 |
| 20:09.59 | sarah03 | That is tremendously annoying. |
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| 20:10.01 | viking81 | 12 |
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| 20:10.05 | viking81 | 14 |
| 20:10.08 | viking81 | 15 |
| 20:10.08 | viking81 | 16 |
| 20:10.11 | viking81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.13 | viking81 | a dalewj neviem |
| 20:10.13 | sredna | Auch |
| 20:10.15 | viking81 | ups |
| 20:10.17 | viking81 | kua lauri je admin ? |
| 20:10.17 | *** kick/#kde [viking81!~lauri@lauri.user] by lauri (User terminated!) |
| 20:10.27 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 20:10.32 | lauri | must fix my keybindings heh |
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| 20:10.52 | *** mode/#kde [-o lauri] by lauri |
| 20:11.02 | viking81 | hi |
| 20:11.06 | viking81 | i´m back :) |
| 20:11.13 | lauri | now behave |
| 20:11.24 | viking81 | what ? |
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| 20:11.39 | Dhraakellian | /ignore viking81 |
| 20:11.48 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
| 20:11.48 | viking81 | why ? |
| 20:11.54 | Dhraakellian | or not |
| 20:12.02 | At0mic_PC | sredna: That worked for me thanks. |
| 20:12.02 | Dhraakellian | nevermind... botched that command |
| 20:12.04 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.12 | sredna | At0mic_PC: Cool :) |
| 20:12.17 | At0mic_PC | sredna: However artsplay didn't. |
| 20:12.19 | viking81 | www.pokec.sk |
| 20:12.20 | At0mic_PC | I used play instead. |
| 20:12.37 | sredna | At0mic_PC: I think play is faster than artsplay |
| 20:12.45 | At0mic_PC | Cool |
| 20:12.56 | At0mic_PC | sredna: Where is the autostart list? |
| 20:13.09 | viking81 | hi i´m johnny knoxville ... welcome to the jackass :) |
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| 20:13.31 | lauri | viking81: do you use KDE? |
| 20:13.44 | viking81 | yes i see KDE |
| 20:13.59 | lauri | thought about contributing to the translation teams? |
| 20:14.11 | viking81 | but in my language mean KDE....where.... KDE=WHERE |
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| 20:14.11 | lauri | then you'd have a bunch of other KDE users to chat to in your own language too |
| 20:14.33 | lauri | yes, and in another language it's the name of a mountain, we know |
| 20:14.41 | Dhraakellian | hmm... let's see... to get into KDE 3.4, I'd just change the path to startkde in my .xinitrc, right? |
| 20:14.43 | lauri | but this channel is about the software KDE |
| 20:14.54 | viking81 | and where is this mountain ? |
| 20:15.11 | lauri | I forget, actually ('sec while I go grep ktips and find out) |
| 20:15.24 | viking81 | hmmf |
| 20:15.26 | sredna | Dhraakellian: In the principle, yes |
| 20:15.35 | viking81 | how software is KDE ? |
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| 20:16.31 | viking81 | uff...its for linux and unix ? |
| 20:16.34 | lauri | yes |
| 20:16.39 | lauri | you can go look at www.kde.org |
| 20:16.48 | viking81 | heh i have cracked winxp :P |
| 20:17.03 | lauri | or http://ski18n.linux.sk/ |
| 20:17.32 | viking81 | heh i hate linux :D |
| 20:17.37 | viking81 | lol |
| 20:17.45 | lauri | then, you probably shouldn't be in this channel |
| 20:17.52 | viking81 | why :) |
| 20:17.56 | viking81 | this is nice place |
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| 20:18.05 | lauri | because it's a channel about KDE on linux and other unix like operating systems |
| 20:18.14 | Dhraakellian | viking81: more of a BSD person? |
| 20:18.15 | viking81 | and ? |
| 20:18.23 | viking81 | :) |
| 20:18.39 | viking81 | there is kind poeple :))) |
| 20:18.47 | lauri | and, that's what we talk about, and we obviously do like it, and if you have nothing to talk about with us, you will likely soon be bored, and do annoying things like trying to teach us the alphabet again |
| 20:18.52 | lauri | and then we won't be kind |
| 20:19.07 | viking81 | lol |
| 20:19.08 | lauri | so, you're welcome to be here, but please behave yourself if you stay |
| 20:19.35 | viking81 | im "zaskodnik" :) |
| 20:20.35 | viking81 | im from microsoft slovakia and i must crush linux rooms :))) |
| 20:22.03 | ciga | there will be no commit to KDE_3_4_0_BETA_1 for some time, right? Is this safe to use HEAD instead? it will be tagged as KDE_3_4_0_BETA_2 in february, right? |
| 20:22.14 | lauri | ciga: yes |
| 20:22.28 | viking81 | windows is the best ! :) |
| 20:22.34 | ciga | lauri: which one to? |
| 20:22.37 | lauri | KDE_3_4_0-BETA_1 is a tag, not a branch, it won't change (it just marks a specific point in the development) |
| 20:22.37 | viking81 | windows forever |
| 20:22.44 | lauri | viking81: now you're just being silly |
| 20:22.50 | Dhraakellian | viking81: yeah, but getting KDE to run on cygwin? |
| 20:23.01 | viking81 | i dont understand :) |
| 20:23.08 | Dhraakellian | I'll stick with *nix, where it's easier for me to run KDE |
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| 20:24.42 | Dhraakellian | hrm... |
| 20:24.42 | ciga | lauri: ic. but head is going to be tagged as beta2. so if I use head I'm a little bit closer to beta2, do i? |
| 20:24.59 | viking81 | i love bill gates :D |
| 20:25.18 | ciga | viking81: that is your problem. |
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| 20:25.38 | viking81 | ciga....and your problem is...that you are pièa |
| 20:26.55 | viking81 | ciga...are you woman ? |
| 20:26.55 | Dhraakellian | viking81: your problem is that you are an annoying little troll |
| 20:26.56 | viking81 | Dhraakellian a ? |
| 20:26.56 | ciga | viking81: you are nothing more, but one in my ignore list. |
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| 20:27.11 | viking81 | ciga |
| 20:27.19 | viking81 | ty si taka pièa ¾e to a¾ boli ! |
| 20:27.33 | viking81 | fuck you all |
| 20:27.41 | Dhraakellian | /ignored |
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| 20:28.46 | lauri | heh, konversation's banning buttons need a bit of work |
| 20:29.19 | PhilRod | I need to write an xchat command so I can get ops, ban someone, then deop with one command |
| 20:29.42 | PhilRod | (not that banning is often necessary, but when it is, it'd be nice to be able to do it quickly) |
| 20:29.43 | lauri | yeah, I can't figure out if konversation can take parameters in aliases |
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| 20:30.28 | Hali_303 | Hi! after emerging the new KDE, my K3B stopped working :( when i start it, it says "could not find mime type application/octet-stream", it says this a few times and then crashes. does anyone know how to solve this? |
| 20:30.36 | ciga | lauri: is it the way I think with tagging? |
| 20:30.42 | lauri | ciga: sorry, was distracted |
| 20:30.55 | aseigo | Hali_303: did you restart kde since you updated? |
| 20:31.03 | lauri | yes, use HEAD it's what will be beta2, and then after that HEAD will be beta 3 and then after that HEAD will be ... you should be getting the idea here :) |
| 20:31.07 | Hali_303 | aseigo, yes! |
| 20:31.32 | ciga | lauri: yes, I know the release plan. |
| 20:31.38 | Hali_303 | how can I check the cause of the error? |
| 20:31.46 | lauri | ciga: then what is your question? |
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| 20:32.22 | ciga | lauri: you answered. I was a little confused, but now I am not. |
| 20:32.44 | aseigo | Hali_303: ok... so a `kbuildsycoca --noincremental` won't do anything for you most likely... well, the problem is that the mimetype database is broken... do you have `kde-config --prefix`/share/mimelnk/application/octet-stream.desktop ? |
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| 20:34.07 | Hali_303 | /usr/kde/3.2/share/mimelnk/application/octet-stream.desktop |
| 20:34.11 | Hali_303 | yes i have such a file |
| 20:34.25 | aseigo | 3.2? |
| 20:34.45 | aseigo | Hali_303: you emerged 3.2? =) |
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| 20:34.48 | Xero | hi |
| 20:35.01 | Xero | how can i install kde 3.4 |
| 20:35.04 | Xero | on suse |
| 20:35.31 | Hali_303 | kde-base/kdebase-3.3.2-r1 |
| 20:35.41 | Hali_303 | kde-base/kdelibs-3.3.2-r1 |
| 20:35.51 | Hali_303 | this is what I have |
| 20:37.01 | Xero | well suse installs kde in /opt |
| 20:37.09 | Xero | can i use konstruct |
| 20:37.24 | lauri | probably |
| 20:37.40 | aseigo | Xero: there are actually suse packages available |
| 20:37.47 | aseigo | Xero: of the beta, anyways |
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| 20:38.12 | aseigo | Hali_303: /usr/kde/3.2 <--- not 3.3? |
| 20:38.26 | Xero | aseigo: well where can i get them |
| 20:38.27 | aseigo | Hali_303: if you run `kde-config --prefix` from a konsole what does it say? |
| 20:38.51 | PhilRod | Xero: they're probably linked from the release announcement page on kde.org |
| 20:38.52 | aseigo | Xero: http://download.kde.org, pick a mirror, unstable/3.3.91/SuSE/ directory |
| 20:39.13 | Hali_303 | it says /usr/kde/3.2 |
| 20:39.20 | Beineri | Xero: but they likely replace your current KDE installation |
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| 20:40.22 | aseigo | Hali_303: crazy. ok.. so it's in the right place then. |
| 20:40.33 | aseigo | Beineri: really? that would be somewhat surprising |
| 20:40.40 | Xero | Beineri: welll thats ok |
| 20:40.52 | Beineri | aseigo: let me donwload random package :-) |
| 20:40.53 | Xero | Beineri: is 3.4 any good? |
| 20:41.01 | Beineri | Xero: it will (maybe ;-) |
| 20:41.06 | aseigo | hehe |
| 20:41.16 | Xero | well |
| 20:41.20 | Xero | is it worth the upgrade |
| 20:41.25 | aseigo | certainly |
| 20:41.29 | Xero | i heard it has alot of new stuf |
| 20:41.35 | Xero | a lot of new eye candy |
| 20:41.43 | ciga | 3.3.91 is the beta one, right? |
| 20:41.48 | Dhraakellian | heh... cool. plastik is officially the default now? |
| 20:42.15 | aseigo | yep |
| 20:42.22 | aseigo | (to both ciga and Dhraakellian ) |
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| 20:42.55 | Beineri | aseigo: actually checking on ktown is faster, it installs to /opt/kde3 |
| 20:43.08 | aseigo | really. that sucks. |
| 20:43.10 | Hali_303 | I try to restart KDE again and take a look at the KDE mime database then.. thank you! |
| 20:43.16 | aseigo | --SUSE |
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| 20:44.06 | Beineri | also rpm names wouldn't install parallel installation |
| 20:44.28 | aseigo | ah, right... yeah, that would be a bit of a difficulty |
| 20:44.36 | Xero | so when will kde 3.4 become stable |
| 20:44.38 | Beineri | s/install/allow/ :- |
| 20:44.39 | Beineri | ) |
| 20:44.40 | ciga | rpm based distros does not able to do so |
| 20:44.53 | ciga | :) |
| 20:45.18 | ciga | Xero: not soon. |
| 20:45.32 | Xero | well thank god i run suse |
| 20:45.35 | Xero | easy install |
| 20:45.37 | Xero | lol |
| 20:45.45 | Xero | rpm -Uhv *.rom |
| 20:45.46 | Xero | rpm |
| 20:47.00 | Xero | have yall seen crystal-gl |
| 20:47.02 | Xero | its nice |
| 20:47.16 | sredna | Beineri: Let me know if you figure it out |
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| 20:47.49 | Beineri | sredna: without looking at the config dialog? :-) |
| 20:47.59 | sredna | Beineri: Just use it for a bit |
| 20:48.06 | Xero | why is wiki down |
| 20:48.08 | Beineri | sredna: but those files are not "editoed" anymore, I already saved the changes |
| 20:48.23 | sredna | Beineri: It lasts for your session |
| 20:48.25 | Beineri | Xero: good question, next question ;-) |
| 20:48.34 | Xero | Beineri: just asking |
| 20:48.37 | sredna | Beineri: Unsaved files has a icon |
| 20:48.57 | Beineri | sredna: the Background shading dialog looks ugly btw |
| 20:49.17 | Beineri | sredna: right aligned, wrong checkbox capitalization style, no colons on labels |
| 20:49.32 | sredna | Beineri: Ok, I'll look at it |
| 20:49.57 | Beineri | or it's a 3 column grid where column 1 is empty? |
| 20:50.05 | sredna | No |
| 20:50.26 | Beineri | sredna: and disabling it, doesn't disables the next two lines |
| 20:50.38 | sredna | Should it? |
| 20:51.12 | Beineri | well, sure. General/Meta-Information does so too :-) |
| 20:51.40 | Beineri | and indentation settings |
| 20:51.51 | sredna | Hm |
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| 20:52.47 | Beineri | Xero: wiki will be back some time when it's more secured |
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| 20:53.26 | sredna | Well, I can see it has problems. Thanks, Beineri |
| 20:53.31 | Beineri | kde-forum.org should be back also some time |
| 20:54.02 | sanish | can someone me, im trying to make it so i dont have a virtua desktop bigger than my screen |
| 20:54.14 | sanish | is that done in kde or the xorg.conf |
| 20:54.33 | sredna | I find qt's groupboxes horrific btw. The worst windget in qt |
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| 20:56.19 | Hali_303 | hello! :) restarted KDE |
| 20:56.26 | Renze | sanish: that's done in xorg.conf |
| 20:57.21 | sanish | ok |
| 20:57.26 | sanish | one more question |
| 20:57.35 | Hali_303 | when I open a root terminal in KDE, i can start K3B! :) however, when starting K3B in a user terminal, it still gives the "mime type not found application/octet-stream" error in a dialog, while in the console, it writes "kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 72, expecting version 75 or higher. |
| 20:57.35 | Hali_303 | kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found" |
| 20:57.48 | sanish | ive been a gnom user for a while, but im kinda liking kde, what are the main differences |
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| 20:58.25 | sredna | Hali_303: What is the value of KDEDIR (try 'echo $KDEDIR')? |
| 20:58.27 | APunker | Hello. How do I put a command line after KDE starts? |
| 20:58.30 | hackeron_ | for konqueror's spell check functionality, is there any particular reason why you would choose ispell instead of aspell? (provided you have both) |
| 20:58.49 | lauri | one's mostly written in C, using the gtk toolkit, by the gnome project -the other is mostly written in C++, using Qt toolkit, by the KDE project |
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| 20:59.16 | lauri | and it just goes on from there (you could as easily ask "what's the difference between mac os and windows" |
| 20:59.23 | lauri | in many ways, nothing, in others, everything |
| 20:59.46 | lauri | (I'm not trying to avoid answering, I'm trying to explain why it's nearly impossible to answer with any degree of objectivity for most of us) |
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| 20:59.54 | hackeron_ | sanish: gtk is free of charge to use on windows, qt is charged for on windows (free on linux). |
| 20:59.55 | bietch | heya all |
| 21:00.05 | Hali_303 | sredna, /usr/kde/3.2 |
| 21:00.09 | lauri | the main difference to me, is I like it, and I don't like GNOME :) |
| 21:00.17 | ciga | :) |
| 21:00.28 | ciga | lauri: this is what I wanted to say. |
| 21:00.29 | sanish | hah, i meant more in terms of functionality |
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| 21:00.33 | sanish | support et |
| 21:00.34 | sanish | etc |
| 21:00.42 | lauri | heh |
| 21:00.44 | sredna | Hali_303: There is your problem then. Prior to starting KDE, you should 'export KDEDIR=/usr/kde/3.3' |
| 21:00.52 | lauri | there's like hundreds of megs of sources |
| 21:00.56 | sredna | Hali_303: How do you start KDE? |
| 21:01.00 | lauri | making hundreds of megs of binaries |
| 21:01.10 | hackeron_ | sanish: well, can you make your gnome look like this? ftp://81.86.159.146/latest.png |
| 21:01.22 | lauri | covering dozens (well over a hundred) entire applications |
| 21:01.37 | lauri | everything from terminal emulators to tea bag timer applets |
| 21:01.41 | benjamindees | I have a few machines giving me klauncher problems lately... anybody seen this? |
| 21:01.49 | lauri | I can't answer your question, unless you have about 3 months to listen |
| 21:01.58 | lauri | other than "it's entirely different" |
| 21:02.07 | hackeron_ | sanish: gnome-terminal doesnt work with irssi and is really unstable from my exprience, konsole absolutely kicks ass in all aspects :) |
| 21:02.10 | lauri | if you're using it, you can see for yourself |
| 21:02.15 | sanish | lauri, i have ime... |
| 21:02.17 | sanish | haha |
| 21:02.21 | sanish | tine |
| 21:02.23 | sanish | time! |
| 21:02.31 | lauri | well, I don't, unless you'd like to pay me a standard consulting fee :) |
| 21:02.41 | lauri | just.. use it for a while, you'll find the differences |
| 21:02.45 | lauri | or ask specific answerable questions |
| 21:02.56 | hackeron_ | sanish: nautilus doesnt have tabs :) |
| 21:03.21 | hackeron_ | sanish: you also cant re-arrange the toolbars, remove other toolbars or toggle the menubars, scrollbars, etc. KDE is just so much more flexible. |
| 21:03.52 | hackeron_ | sanish: Kontact allows you to design your own kaddressbook dialogs so you can remove the fields you dont want and add others. Nothing close to that functionality from evolution |
| 21:04.04 | hackeron_ | sanish: there is really a very long list |
| 21:04.26 | Hali_303 | sredna, but I'm using kde 3.2 as far as I know.. |
| 21:04.45 | Hali_303 | sredna, I have kde 3.2-r1 gentoo packages installed |
| 21:05.10 | sanish | well, it seems like a good idea to give it a try for a bit |
| 21:05.12 | ciga | Hali_303: hali :) kde-config --version ? |
| 21:05.14 | hackeron_ | Hali_303: I find kde 3.2 unstable. They pushed quite a bunch of stuff into it without debugging. Definitely update to 3.3 |
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| 21:05.34 | Hali_303 | Qt: 3.3.3 |
| 21:05.34 | Hali_303 | KDE: 3.2.3 |
| 21:05.34 | Hali_303 | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 21:06.22 | sredna | Hali_303: I thought you said you updated |
| 21:06.40 | Hali_303 | yes, to 3.2 :) |
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| 21:06.59 | Hali_303 | but i've just checked there are 3.3 packages for gentoo, so i'm updating for that now |
| 21:07.12 | Hali_303 | I hope that will solve the problems |
| 21:07.40 | The3_14ed|er | there are even 3.4_beta1 packages |
| 21:07.45 | alnr | in kmail when i send mail, the received-by header in the mail has an unexpected hostname (myhost.xxxxxx.com) where would the xxxxxx.com be coming from? |
| 21:07.56 | The3_14ed|er | both the standard monolithic ebuilds and split ebuilds |
| 21:08.18 | sanish | uhh, i checked 'n' about the virtual screen being larger than my desktop but it still loads kds tht way |
| 21:08.21 | sanish | ny ideas |
| 21:09.10 | Hali_303 | thank you for your help! |
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| 21:13.35 | The3_14ed|er | hmm |
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| 21:14.27 | Borg^Queen | Hi people. I have a request for an app that can slow down music without changing the pitch. Does such an app exist? |
| 21:14.35 | Borg^Queen | For Linux that is |
| 21:14.50 | sredna | Mplayer |
| 21:15.00 | Renze | noatun has a plugin for that |
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| 21:15.13 | Borg^Queen | Noatun changes the pitch |
| 21:15.20 | Borg^Queen | sredna: for music? |
| 21:16.25 | Renze | Borg^Queen: did you tick the checkbox at the bottom that says "preserve frequencies"? |
| 21:16.59 | Renze | :) |
| 21:17.24 | sredna | Borg^Queen: It can adjust it in order to syncronize it with the video |
| 21:17.36 | sredna | Borg^Queen: I never tried to use it just for mucis though |
| 21:17.43 | Borg^Queen | Ah |
| 21:17.57 | Borg^Queen | Renze: where is this preserve thingy? |
| 21:18.37 | Renze | Borg^Queen: Noatun, Actions menu, Toggle Speed Slider, bottom of that window |
| 21:19.18 | Renze | it doesn't do a very good job, though |
| 21:19.33 | Borg^Queen | It doesn't have it |
| 21:19.55 | Renze | oh, that's right, you're still in 3.1 - I keep forgetting |
| 21:20.01 | Borg^Queen | >: |
| 21:20.27 | aseigo | Borg^Queen: eventually you're just going to say "aw fuckit" and upgrade |
| 21:20.46 | The3_14ed|er | Borg^Queen is still using 3.1? |
| 21:21.18 | Borg^Queen | `ooops sorry, reflex |
| 21:21.27 | Borg^Queen | ? |
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| 21:24.10 | alnr | my outgoing kmail is getting stamped with Received: mybox.somedomain.com. (kamil is using that in the HELO) where is it getting somedomain.com? in the kmail settings for network I specified mybox.mydomain as the domain |
| 21:24.54 | APunker | Anyone knows how to run apps. at KDE start time? |
| 21:25.54 | sredna | Beineri: I take it from your comment that using 'edited' is not good english. So I cange that label to 'Changed Documents' -- is that better? |
| 21:26.04 | Rupert-Giles | how long does it take to compile QT |
| 21:26.06 | Rupert-Giles | :) |
| 21:26.22 | sredna | Rupert-Giles: Depends on your CPU mainly |
| 21:26.25 | lauri | how long is a piece of string? |
| 21:26.27 | aseigo | Rupert-Giles: 10 minutes to a few hours depending on hardware and config options |
| 21:26.33 | sredna | From 1 min to 10 hours :o |
| 21:26.38 | Rupert-Giles | 1 min |
| 21:26.44 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 21:26.51 | Borg^Queen | APunker: How do you mean? An app or a deamon? |
| 21:26.52 | Beineri | sredna: "Changed" could imo be also confused with "unsaved"... |
| 21:26.56 | aseigo | lauri: one mm to severa kilometers depending on the size of the ball of string and where you cut it. |
| 21:26.59 | aseigo | hhehe |
| 21:27.04 | Rupert-Giles | what's the latest QT release? |
| 21:27.11 | Beineri | Rupert-Giles: QuickTime? |
| 21:27.12 | sredna | Beineri: Hm, yes. Any better suggestion then? |
| 21:27.18 | aseigo | sredna: where is this? |
| 21:27.19 | Borg^Queen | Sooooo! does anyone know of a good app that plays music slower but doesn't change the pitch? |
| 21:27.22 | AssociateX | what is that annoying tool bar on the left side of konqueror called? |
| 21:27.23 | lauri | so aseigo, and what is the difference between a duck? |
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| 21:27.44 | aseigo | Rupert-Giles: latest as in "latest qt3" or latest as in "latest qt4 snapshot"? |
| 21:27.55 | Borg^Queen | AssociateX: The annoying sidebar |
| 21:28.01 | sredna | aseigo: The label? It's for the color for the background shade for documents that was edited within the session in kates file list |
| 21:28.21 | AssociateX | Borg^Queen, yeah that one, what's it called. It has a name. |
| 21:28.26 | chavo | AssociateX, I call it closed. |
| 21:28.29 | aseigo | lauri: it's a small bone that is lodged in the exact middle of said species. (ergo the "between" it is often referred to with) |
| 21:28.29 | lauri | rellinks |
| 21:28.43 | aseigo | sredna: Modified Files? |
| 21:28.45 | lauri | aseigo: no, the correct answer to that is "one of it's legs is both the same" |
| 21:28.49 | lauri | my grandpa told me |
| 21:29.02 | sredna | aseigo: Worse than changed I guess |
| 21:29.03 | Beineri | aseigo: they stay in this other color when you have saved changes |
| 21:29.03 | aseigo | ok, i bow to your grandpa |
| 21:29.04 | AssociateX | the one that caused by librellinksplugin.so and librellinksplugin.la |
| 21:29.12 | lauri | I would, he was big and tough and stufff |
| 21:29.27 | Borg^Queen | AssociateX: I think it's called ksidebar |
| 21:29.39 | AssociateX | thanks |
| 21:29.47 | sredna | aseigo: Hm, or not, maybe |
| 21:29.49 | aseigo | Beineri: sredna: well, i don't think you're going to get a good english phrase for that under 5 words .. |
| 21:29.53 | sredna | I'll buy that |
| 21:30.17 | sredna | I'll put the 5 words in the whatsthis text |
| 21:30.53 | Borg^Queen | AssociateX: I don't know it that's the correct name for it. I think it is but I'm not sure. |
| 21:31.05 | sarah03 | The one caused by rellinks? That's the document relations toolbar. It's also the only plugin that I religiously remove from Konqueror. |
| 21:31.53 | lauri | AssociateX: it's the rellinks toolbar |
| 21:32.07 | lauri | or yeah, aka document relations |
| 21:32.14 | AssociateX | lauri, that's it I think, thanks |
| 21:32.24 | sarah03 | That's the name that comes up on the toolbar when it appears. |
| 21:32.30 | sarah03 | And refuses to go away. |
| 21:32.36 | sarah03 | And did I mention refuses to go away? |
| 21:32.51 | Borg^Queen | The guest that wouldn't leave. |
| 21:32.56 | bietch | This program only works on SMP systems <-- what is does mean ? |
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| 21:33.22 | aseigo | bietch: it only works on machines with more than one processor |
| 21:33.31 | aseigo | bietch: though that's a very odd claim to make =) |
| 21:33.39 | bietch | sighs |
| 21:34.09 | bietch | thanks a lot aseigo |
| 21:35.44 | Borg^Queen | Symetrically Multi Processor thing |
| 21:35.45 | Borg^Queen | y |
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| 21:35.50 | simonsim | hey all |
| 21:35.53 | Borg^Queen | bye |
| 21:35.58 | Borg^Queen | Oh hi |
| 21:38.11 | Borg^Queen | SuuuuWWWEEEET Linus, I've saved another one! |
| 21:38.19 | simonsim | ? |
| 21:38.39 | Borg^Queen | I shall no longer be a crack monkey she said as she feel to her knees and praised the code! |
| 21:38.54 | bietch | hmm |
| 21:39.05 | bietch | how to compile c files ? |
| 21:39.12 | bietch | gcc -o example.c example ? |
| 21:39.16 | Borg^Queen | AND I put my source code upon her and said YES! You shall parse into the kingdom of stability and freedom! |
| 21:39.23 | ponto | bietch: gcc -o example example.c |
| 21:39.31 | Dhraakellian | Borg^Queen: huh? |
| 21:39.31 | Borg^Queen | I've converted another whineDOH!s user to linux |
| 21:39.37 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 21:39.50 | Borg^Queen | `Hey, I'm a Nix-Vangelist |
| 21:39.53 | simonsim | hehehe..that is fun....more fun to get a Mac user to convert |
| 21:39.54 | Beineri | and now Kate crashed :-| |
| 21:40.06 | sredna | Beineri: Sorry. |
| 21:40.08 | Dhraakellian | Borg^Queen: yet you're only on KDE 3.1.x? |
| 21:40.12 | Borg^Queen | Maybe she was tired |
| 21:40.19 | Borg^Queen | Aye Dhraakellian and? |
| 21:40.20 | Beineri | sredna: I had everything saved :-) |
| 21:40.27 | sredna | Good :) |
| 21:40.41 | Beineri | sredna: while fast closing several files |
| 21:40.56 | sredna | Beineri: I know when it happens |
| 21:41.12 | sredna | Beineri: I'm trying to fix it |
| 21:41.41 | Dhraakellian | oh well |
| 21:41.49 | Dhraakellian | at least I wasn't ntfs fried |
| 21:42.18 | Borg^Queen | Dhraakellian: is a closet win95 user! |
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| 21:43.09 | Borg^Queen | hi bob |
| 21:43.24 | slayerbob | hiya Borg^Queen |
| 21:43.39 | bietch | slayerbob! |
| 21:43.48 | slayerbob | :( |
| 21:43.53 | slayerbob | bietch! |
| 21:44.13 | slayerbob | :o |
| 21:44.15 | slayerbob | a cookie :P |
| 21:44.41 | Borg^Queen | but your's isn't laced with poison |
| 21:44.44 | Borg^Queen | ok? |
| 21:45.12 | sarah03 | I must have missed something between the 2 of you at some point previously. |
| 21:45.19 | Dhraakellian | Borg^Queen: LIES! |
| 21:45.36 | Borg^Queen | Dhraakellian: shut up man |
| 21:45.47 | Borg^Queen | I need more body parts |
| 21:45.54 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 21:46.08 | Borg^Queen | crackmonkey |
| 21:46.12 | slayerbob | i only use secondary oses |
| 21:46.16 | slayerbob | is much safer that way :) |
| 21:46.19 | Borg^Queen | o0 |
| 21:46.31 | Dhraakellian | slayerbob: sounds pretty half-osed |
| 21:46.31 | aseigo | as in, "well, i never!" |
| 21:46.47 | Borg^Queen | With a face like that, I believe it |
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| 21:46.55 | slayerbob | hiya aaron |
| 21:46.58 | Borg^Queen | half osed lol |
| 21:47.09 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
| 21:47.19 | sarah03 | Hm. I run Windows from time to time. Mostly because I have to actually test web sites in that hunk of junk that gets shipped with it as a web browser. |
| 21:47.19 | slayerbob | and Dhraakellian and sarah03 |
| 21:47.28 | slayerbob | and hi anyone else who might be lurking |
| 21:47.34 | Dhraakellian | greetings |
| 21:47.56 | Borg^Queen | Bah humbug |
| 21:48.01 | Dhraakellian | I only use Windows when I'm not at my home computer |
| 21:48.04 | Borg^Queen | What's wrong with 3.4? |
| 21:48.26 | Borg^Queen | I use whineDOH! all the time, the cds make great coasters |
| 21:48.28 | Dhraakellian | Borg^Queen: mainly that I'm just looking at the config stuff |
| 21:48.34 | slayerbob | i only use windows when i am running computer games that do not work in linux |
| 21:48.40 | Dhraakellian | I'm pondering actually restarting X with my main user |
| 21:48.50 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 21:48.53 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:48.57 | slayerbob | you are pondering restarting X ? :P |
| 21:49.00 | Dhraakellian | Unreal Tournament |
| 21:49.07 | Borg^Queen | supertux |
| 21:49.07 | slayerbob | yeah ut2k4 is good :P |
| 21:49.08 | Dhraakellian | 'sall you need |
| 21:49.11 | Borg^Queen | powermanga |
| 21:49.14 | sarah03 | I've got a Win95 coaster sitting down here, and I've got a Win2k cd here that I use as a coaster from time to time... |
| 21:49.15 | slayerbob | nah need me strategy games |
| 21:49.31 | slayerbob | and afail nothing that runs under linux is as nice as rise of nations |
| 21:49.35 | Dhraakellian | slayerbob: yeah. restarting X |
| 21:49.39 | slayerbob | *afaik |
| 21:49.44 | Borg^Queen | sarah03: you actually have a win95 cd? |
| 21:49.49 | Dhraakellian | using kde 3.4 as this user |
| 21:49.53 | Dhraakellian | not as a test user |
| 21:49.55 | sarah03 | Borg^Queen: Yup. |
| 21:50.01 | Borg^Queen | whoa |
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| 21:50.13 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:50.23 | Dhraakellian | I think my grandma's old laptop has win95 on it |
| 21:50.26 | sarah03 | Dhraakellian: I'm using kde3.4b1 as my main user... granted, I've also got ~/.kde3.4 and ~/.qt-kde3.4 which get symlinked before X starts. |
| 21:50.34 | Borg^Queen | I have one because I'm in the business. And get this, the cd is blue. |
| 21:50.44 | Dhraakellian | sarah03: yeah, I'm a gentoo user, and gentoo does that |
| 21:50.48 | sarah03 | Oh, I've got one floating around that's blue. |
| 21:50.50 | slayerbob | heh |
| 21:51.05 | Borg^Queen | Talk about fore shadowing the future |
| 21:51.06 | Dhraakellian | it's just that I'm not sure if I want to take the penalty in idlerpg |
| 21:51.07 | sarah03 | The one I'm referring to is an actual Win95 cd, though. |
| 21:51.08 | slayerbob | i think my win95 upgrade cd is blue |
| 21:51.27 | JustinS | g'day .. My login screen is supposed to have little icons next to the log in areas, but it's just a little gray area about 1/4 inch wide .. Is there something I can do in kde to get that back? (I'm running Gentoo so I may not have emerge'ed something it would need) .. |
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| 21:51.36 | sarah03 | It makes a wonderful coaster. :) |
| 21:51.42 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:51.47 | Dhraakellian | I use floppies |
| 21:51.54 | Dhraakellian | well, no, I don't |
| 21:52.00 | Dhraakellian | this mug is too big for floppies |
| 21:52.05 | Dhraakellian | I use a paper towel |
| 21:52.08 | slayerbob | i use a table |
| 21:52.28 | sarah03 | Dhraakellian: BTW, I'm also on Gentoo. It doesn't do anything nice with ~/.qt, but since I'm not using kdm [multiple X server configurations that I change through occasionally]. |
| 21:52.28 | JustinS | I use the bottom of my glass .. |
| 21:52.32 | lauri | I usually use a nice cork coaster |
| 21:52.35 | slayerbob | although i see it needs cleaning at the moment - looks like our guests split stuff on it :P |
| 21:52.57 | lauri | but today I am using the 10 odd pages of proofreading updates I got handed at work on the way out the door on friday |
| 21:52.59 | Rupert-Giles | anyone got a readme for installing 3.4 |
| 21:52.59 | slayerbob | *spilt |
| 21:53.26 | Borg^Queen | kool |
| 21:53.32 | sarah03 | Rupert-Giles: http://developer.kde.org/build/compile_cvs.html |
| 21:53.36 | lauri | and being uncharacteristically clumsy about slopping my coffee on them too (feh on unending rewrites of previously approved text) |
| 21:53.36 | Beineri | Rupert-Giles: Konstruct has a README file ;-) |
| 21:53.39 | Rupert-Giles | sarah03 thanks |
| 21:53.41 | Rupert-Giles | ok cool |
| 21:53.42 | slayerbob | it was sitting on two sawhorses |
| 21:53.52 | slayerbob | was a darned good desk too :P |
| 21:53.59 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:54.06 | Borg^Queen | `Humans |
| 21:54.08 | slayerbob | even had a convenient hole for putting the cables through :P |
| 21:54.10 | Dhraakellian | my dad's desk is a finished door |
| 21:54.23 | Dhraakellian | well, a door with a finish |
| 21:54.23 | sarah03 | My desk is a microwave cart. |
| 21:54.24 | slayerbob | aren't there some humans in the collective Borg^Queen ? |
| 21:54.35 | Dhraakellian | I don't think it has the hole for the doorknob |
| 21:54.54 | Dhraakellian | mine does, and it makes it much easier for getting cords up |
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| 21:55.16 | Borg^Queen | slayerbob: no, we tossed them out after that "Beavus and Buttborg" incident |
| 21:55.25 | sredna | Beineri: Are you changing my file while I'm fixing the issues you pointed out to me?! |
| 21:55.45 | Beineri | sredna: mhm, yes |
| 21:55.48 | simonsimple | laminated... |
| 21:55.56 | slayerbob | now i have a proper desk that i almost never use because canllaith has given me a notebook :) |
| 21:56.07 | slayerbob | and installed kde on it for me :) |
| 21:56.15 | Borg^Queen | sarah03: rotfl |
| 21:56.22 | sredna | Beineri: Then it'll take longer |
| 21:56.37 | lauri | heh |
| 21:56.50 | Beineri | sredna: I don't think that it will conflict in these three lines... |
| 21:56.54 | slayerbob | say what ? |
| 21:56.57 | lauri | and if i'm not about, please log it for me |
| 21:57.03 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 21:57.03 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 21:57.03 | sredna | Beineri: Hopefully not :) |
| 21:57.11 | slayerbob | i *have* said that when she is about :P |
| 21:57.38 | sredna | But I still need to check once more |
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| 21:58.03 | Dhraakellian | http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=971003 |
| 21:58.22 | Beineri | sredna: sorry :-) |
| 21:58.35 | sredna | Ack :) |
| 21:59.06 | slayerbob | Dhraakellian: you kept that link for 7 years ? |
| 21:59.07 | slayerbob | :| |
| 21:59.24 | Dhraakellian | slayerbob: no |
| 21:59.40 | Dhraakellian | I just used the storyline dropdown box |
| 22:01.14 | Borg^Queen | kool |
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| 22:03.33 | Borg^Queen | Well I'm off to destroy. BBL |
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| 22:04.11 | dipesh | hi all |
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| 22:05.51 | pankey_ | hey |
| 22:06.32 | JustinS | linux |
| 22:06.33 | pankey_ | im using kde 3.4 beta1 and sound system says it cant find nothing...i have no arts emerged...should i get arts? |
| 22:06.57 | PhilRod | yes |
| 22:07.13 | pankey_ | wat about multiple streams? use artswrapper? |
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| 22:07.32 | pankey_ | and sumtin else...artssuid i think |
| 22:10.18 | PhilRod | artswrapper just lets arts get realtime priority |
| 22:10.41 | pankey_ | oh |
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| 22:10.53 | pankey_ | somebody told me use that for multiple streams at once |
| 22:11.10 | pankey_ | i've used no arts and alsa + dmix in the past |
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| 22:19.07 | sredna | Beineri: So, we DID get a conflict |
| 22:19.24 | sredna | Beineri: How am I supposed to make those label, capitalized or not? |
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| 22:19.41 | sredna | Beineri: Becuse it seems that no matter what I do, someone changes it to the other |
| 22:20.07 | lippel | lauri: ping |
| 22:20.38 | slayerbob | lippel: pong |
| 22:20.40 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 22:20.46 | slayerbob | looks like a routing problem there |
| 22:21.50 | pankey_ | :/ |
| 22:23.17 | sanish | XMMS is forzen, how do i kill it/ |
| 22:23.19 | lauri | lippel: yes? |
| 22:23.41 | lippel | lauri: do you know if anybody already started working on an akregator handbook? |
| 22:23.44 | lauri | sanish: ctrl-alt-esc, click on it with the xkill cursor (then go check in a konsole that it's really dead) |
| 22:23.45 | yansanmo | killall xmms |
| 22:23.57 | lauri | lippel: not that I know of |
| 22:24.27 | lauri | I put a little stub in there, so people know their khelpcenter isn't broken, there really is no doc for it |
| 22:25.10 | lauri | if you want to write a real one, that'd be great (I suggest dropping a note to pmax, to let him know too) |
| 22:26.07 | lippel | lauri: nah, i have to fix the bugs in the code first ;-) |
| 22:26.39 | lauri | heh |
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| 22:26.50 | lauri | you sredna was there a problem with the Makefile.am in kate recently? |
| 22:26.56 | lauri | like, today sometime |
| 22:28.24 | sredna | I wonder if it wouldn't be more sane for me to find something else to do |
| 22:28.43 | sredna | But yes, I did get and read themail, and I also committed the missing file |
| 22:29.14 | sredna | So if you wonder if I knew, I wonder if you didn't notice that it was fixed. |
| 22:29.57 | lauri | heh, sorry, we are going through the build cluster logs, and I didn't understand the error I have at all, and it looked like a build order one, not a missing file |
| 22:30.54 | Dhraakellian | okay... |
| 22:30.58 | Dhraakellian | I hid the kasbar |
| 22:31.02 | sredna | I just feel unsufficient, depresssed, sick and bad. So I'm the one who's sorry. |
| 22:31.03 | Dhraakellian | and I can't find it anymore |
| 22:31.19 | lauri | sredna: nono, don't, you are highly appreciated and most beloved |
| 22:31.33 | sredna | Thank you, what worms :) |
| 22:32.01 | lauri | and the only reason i ask you directly, you give me straight answers :) |
| 22:32.06 | sredna | Ok :) |
| 22:32.12 | sredna | I can live with that |
| 22:32.22 | slayerbob | :P |
| 22:32.52 | slayerbob | :o |
| 22:33.21 | slayerbob | :D |
| 22:33.49 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
| 22:33.50 | bietch | arr.. |
| 22:33.57 | lauri | and, you're right here, conveniently (and I really didn't understand this log - to be sure we're talking about the same thing, it's the .upd file that you added today that fixes it?) |
| 22:34.03 | bietch | what is OMG UML ? i already google for it..and now i confused :/ |
| 22:34.17 | lauri | well, make needs taking out and being shot sometimes for it's obtuse error messages |
| 22:34.37 | slayerbob | well omg usually is "oh my god" and uml usually is "universal markup language" or some similar variant |
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| 22:34.50 | yansanmo | www.omg.org - Unified Modeling Langage |
| 22:34.54 | Beineri | sredna: labels are to be written in sentence capitalization style |
| 22:34.57 | bietch | yeah |
| 22:35.05 | bietch | what is different between UML and OMG ? |
| 22:35.16 | bietch | that things make me confused |
| 22:35.21 | sredna | Beineri: The old guide is unclear, so thank you |
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| 22:35.27 | slayerbob | lauri: i am allowed to be wrong :P |
| 22:35.35 | agiofws | can someone tell me how many hours kdelibs package compilation will take? |
| 22:35.38 | lauri | of course you are :) |
| 22:35.39 | lauri | me too |
| 22:35.41 | bietch | ah |
| 22:35.43 | slayerbob | which is just as well really, given how often i am :P |
| 22:35.45 | lauri | I'm just gladder when it's not me :) |
| 22:35.49 | slayerbob | :P |
| 22:35.50 | Dhraakellian | gaaah |
| 22:35.52 | bietch | i thought OMG is Object Management Group |
| 22:35.54 | StevenR | agiofws: depends what your system is |
| 22:35.56 | lauri | OMG is "object management group" |
| 22:35.57 | Dhraakellian | where is that kasbar? |
| 22:36.04 | lauri | so I guess it's like saying "W3C HTML" |
| 22:36.09 | lauri | but funnier looking |
| 22:36.12 | agiofws | StevenR: 300mhz 196mb ram? |
| 22:36.22 | bietch | lauri: so what is different between UML and OMG ? |
| 22:36.29 | StevenR | agiofws: a while..couple of hours maybe |
| 22:36.35 | lauri | one's an organization |
| 22:36.38 | lauri | one's a markup language |
| 22:36.45 | yansanmo | omg is the organisation, uml a modeling language |
| 22:36.47 | Dhraakellian | is anyone else having trouble with kasbar hiding in 3.4? |
| 22:36.50 | agiofws | its taking more |
| 22:37.13 | StevenR | agiofws: oh well |
| 22:37.14 | yansanmo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.18 | bietch | so OMG is function over UML ? |
| 22:38.27 | yansanmo | no |
| 22:38.40 | yansanmo | OMG is the organization that made the UML specification< |
| 22:38.42 | bietch | OMG is the software or what ? |
| 22:38.44 | bietch | crap..i confused now |
| 22:38.48 | bietch | *i am |
| 22:38.53 | bietch | owh ok |
| 22:38.55 | yansanmo | OMG is like IEEE, Microsoft, W3C.. |
| 22:39.27 | yansanmo | ISO, IEC, ... |
| 22:39.29 | bietch | yansanmo: where do know about it ? any website can tell me clearly about OMG others than uml.org ? |
| 22:39.49 | yansanmo | I already tell you uml.org - omg.org |
| 22:40.01 | fred87 | "OMG is like IEEE, Microsoft, W3C.." <<< why is microsoft in that list? |
| 22:40.23 | bietch | yansanmo: yeah i already read that site..that is why i told you im confused |
| 22:40.45 | bietch | http://www.omg.org/gettingstarted/gettingstartedindex.htm |
| 22:40.50 | bietch | nah..that is good! |
| 22:40.50 | yansanmo | only to disting omg from a computer program/langage.. it's more like a company. but it's an organisation |
| 22:40.51 | bietch | thanks a lot |
| 22:41.00 | bietch | yeah |
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| 22:41.16 | yansanmo | consortium in reallity |
| 22:41.25 | bietch | yeah |
| 22:41.46 | bietch | does consortium and organisation is the same thing ? |
| 22:42.04 | yansanmo | consortium is a group of organisation/company |
| 22:42.35 | sanish | what commanhow do i add an item to the task bar |
| 22:42.37 | sredna | That omg.org has b0rk3d web design |
| 22:42.53 | sredna | It works if I say I'm wget :p |
| 22:43.35 | bietch | hmm okie doki |
| 22:43.38 | bietch | love u =) |
| 22:44.16 | Dhraakellian | how do I turn off these confounded tooltip things in kicker? |
| 22:45.03 | yansanmo | sredna: work for me with konqueror.. but they have maybe an infinite loop in their scripts |
| 22:45.25 | sredna | yansanmo: The getting stardet page simply reloads infinitely |
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| 22:45.39 | sredna | yansanmo: They use last century technology :p |
| 22:45.44 | sredna | Not that encouraging |
| 22:45.56 | Dhraakellian | methinks kicker just doesn't want to cooperatewith me |
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| 22:46.05 | sredna | Dhraakellian: Why don't you try look in the config dialog.. |
| 22:46.28 | Dhraakellian | sredna: I did |
| 22:46.43 | Dhraakellian | oh, sure. now it decides to not show them |
| 22:47.09 | sredna | So you found the option? |
| 22:47.15 | Dhraakellian | and it was the icon zooming |
| 22:47.28 | sredna | DARN |
| 22:47.42 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
| 22:47.44 | sredna | Svg wallpapers are pretty, but boy is it slow |
| 22:47.58 | Dhraakellian | I thought I had disabled both of them earlier too |
| 22:48.06 | sredna | It would be smart to cache them... |
| 22:48.15 | yansanmo | my god, I opened the Javascript debugger and I can't close it now.. |
| 22:49.40 | Dhraakellian | how does one get the svg wallpapers? |
| 22:49.54 | sanish | is there a graphical place to edit user perms |
| 22:50.25 | sredna | Dhraakellian: Download some and select them |
| 22:50.35 | sredna | sanish: Kuser |
| 22:50.36 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 22:50.40 | sredna | sanish: The kdeadmin module |
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| 22:58.43 | sredna | Pow |
| 22:59.11 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
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| 23:00.12 | Dhraakellian | okay |
| 23:00.28 | Dhraakellian | it seems to respond to changes made from context menu > configure panel |
| 23:00.37 | Dhraakellian | but not from the same thing in kcontrol |
| 23:01.19 | sanish | what kind of permissions do i need to give the user so that its safe to be on the net with and he can read/write him home dir |
| 23:01.56 | sredna | sanish: Which system are you running? |
| 23:02.15 | sanish | slack10 |
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| 23:03.14 | sredna | sanish: If you are using it as a workstation, you shuould stick to it's defaults unless you have a specific reason no to |
| 23:03.36 | sanish | the defalts are messd up |
| 23:03.36 | StevenR | sanish: defaults are fine for slack 10. |
| 23:03.42 | StevenR | o |
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| 23:03.55 | Dhraakellian | applet handles have a border on the left side |
| 23:04.03 | StevenR | sanish: what's screwed up? which permissions? |
| 23:04.07 | agiofws | does kdebase take more time to compile than kdelibs? |
| 23:04.09 | sanish | somehow i took write away from the user for him home dir |
| 23:04.17 | sanish | so i cant login to X |
| 23:04.20 | StevenR | sanish: well chmod it back then |
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| 23:04.34 | sanish | ? |
| 23:04.35 | sanish | oh |
| 23:05.23 | sredna | sanish: Does the user own his home directory? |
| 23:05.32 | sanish | what do you mean |
| 23:05.41 | StevenR | sanish: chmod 711 /home/userdir |
| 23:05.50 | agiofws | does kdebase take more time to compile than kdelibs? |
| 23:06.08 | sanish | why 711? |
| 23:06.13 | StevenR | agiofws: heard you the first time. answers is probably |
| 23:06.23 | sredna | sanish: If you do 'ls -ld ~/' in a terminal, does it say the correct username and group? |
| 23:06.43 | sanish | brb |
| 23:06.46 | sanish | thank guys |
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| 23:08.17 | agiofws | StevenR: does this work ./configure && make && make install |
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| 23:08.34 | Rupert-Giles | maybe it was a bad idea to build all |
| 23:08.34 | Rupert-Giles | :| |
| 23:09.04 | sredna | agiofws: Given you have permissions to install in your target directory, it's similar to ./configure && make install |
| 23:09.24 | sredna | Mh, it is about similar, and it works if you have permissions |
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| 23:09.39 | sredna | All of what? |
| 23:10.03 | agiofws | sredna: why do you miss make....it is needed isn't it? |
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| 23:10.44 | sredna | agiofws: Make will build before it installs, it is soooo smat :-) |
| 23:10.51 | sredna | Smart |
| 23:10.54 | sredna | Unlike me... |
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| 23:11.34 | agiofws | sredna: naturally thats why i asked why should you install before you build? |
| 23:12.01 | agiofws | sredna: naturally thats why i asked why should you install before you build(compile)? |
| 23:12.09 | sredna | agiofws: 'make' will build if nessecary when you issue 'make install' |
| 23:13.29 | agiofws | sredna: they don't say that when building kde packages |
| 23:13.32 | Rupert-Giles | noooo |
| 23:13.38 | Rupert-Giles | xmkmf wtf |
| 23:14.38 | sredna | agiofws: Sorry. I didn't mean to confuse you :) |
| 23:14.42 | jepel_tailweaver | I feel dirty if I do make install by itself |
| 23:14.55 | jepel_tailweaver | it violates the sacred ./configure && make && sudo make install trinity |
| 23:15.07 | sredna | agiofws: './configure && make && make install' is fine. It will only stop when one of the steps fails. |
| 23:15.07 | Rupert-Giles | what is xmkmf |
| 23:15.53 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.05 | Rupert-Giles | hmmm anyone know where to get it |
| 23:16.06 | Rupert-Giles | lol |
| 23:16.38 | sredna | $ man man |
| 23:16.39 | agiofws | sredna: if i do './configure && make && make install' as root will this affect running new kde as user? |
| 23:16.41 | sredna | :p |
| 23:17.12 | sredna | agiofws: Not apart from using resources during the process |
| 23:17.28 | agiofws | sredna: define? |
| 23:17.34 | sredna | agiofws: However, it is common to do the configure and make as a common user, and then su or sudo to install |
| 23:18.14 | sredna | agiofws: Personally, I never got to use sudo, so I'd do './configure && make && su -c "make install"' |
| 23:18.20 | PhilRod | agiofws: you might also like to install your new version of KDE in a different prefix, so that it doesn't interfere with your old KDE version |
| 23:18.32 | sredna | agiofws: Then I'd have to be there to provide a root password for the install |
| 23:18.33 | PhilRod | (./configure --prefix=/some/other/prefix) |
| 23:18.37 | agiofws | sredna: yeah i know but because cmpiling takes ages on my 300mhz machine i would like to do it all in one so i build install configure as root is this ok? |
| 23:18.50 | sredna | agiofws: Is't fully ok |
| 23:19.00 | agiofws | hope so :) |
| 23:19.27 | agiofws | just wish i could speed up the proccess |
| 23:19.32 | sredna | agiofws: If you want to be able to use your PC during the process, do something like 'nice -n 10 ./configure && amke && amke install' |
| 23:19.39 | sredna | Make, make |
| 23:19.43 | bietch | why i cant save the files from linux into mounted windows ? root permission ? |
| 23:20.13 | agiofws | sredna: i do i just swith to another terminal with alt f keys...right? |
| 23:20.14 | kikov | bietch, ntfs? vfat? |
| 23:20.20 | bietch | vfat |
| 23:20.30 | sredna | bietch: Depends on the windows fs in question, and how it was mounted |
| 23:20.39 | sredna | Is it mounted rw? |
| 23:20.59 | bietch | sredna: i dont have any idea about it |
| 23:21.06 | Rupert-Giles | ooo fixe |
| 23:21.08 | Rupert-Giles | fixed |
| 23:21.22 | sredna | bietch: Try 'mount' in a terminal to see |
| 23:21.47 | Dhraakellian | question: how many kde apps am I going to have to reinstall to get them to work correctly under 3.4? |
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| 23:22.01 | bietch | /dev/hda1 on /home/genetics/windows1 type vfat (rw) |
| 23:22.02 | bietch | /dev/hda5 on /home/genetics/windows2 type vfat (rw) |
| 23:22.02 | bietch | /dev/hdb1 on /home/genetics/windows3 type vfat (rw) |
| 23:22.02 | bietch | /dev/hdb5 on /home/genetics/windows4 type vfat (rw) |
| 23:22.05 | Dhraakellian | (3.3 and 3.4 are installed to different directories) |
| 23:22.09 | bietch | ah sorry about the *pasting* |
| 23:22.11 | bietch | sorry KDE |
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| 23:22.49 | bietch | Dhraakellian: make sure you have enough memory to see it :p |
| 23:23.12 | Dhraakellian | bietch: really really long ctcp version reply? |
| 23:23.44 | bietch | Dhraakellian: really ? |
| 23:23.52 | PhilRod | bietch: looks like the mount options are OK - can you write to the filesystem as root? |
| 23:23.58 | Dhraakellian | bietch: nm |
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| 23:24.30 | bietch | PhilRod: ok...trying |
| 23:26.12 | PhilRod | *yawn* sleep time |
| 23:26.18 | bietch | [root@owned study]# mv LightGrey.zip /home/genetics/windows4/Fc3/kde/ |
| 23:26.19 | bietch | mv: cannot create regular file `/home/genetics/windows4/Fc3/kde/LightGrey.zip':Permission denied |
| 23:26.30 | bietch | hurm.. |
| 23:27.06 | bietch | arr..i cant mv , but i can cp |
| 23:27.07 | bietch | sighs |
| 23:27.33 | agiofws | bietch: thats strange |
| 23:27.46 | agiofws | what are kde perms? |
| 23:28.00 | bietch | agiofws: asking me sir ? |
| 23:28.15 | agiofws | yeah you |
| 23:28.16 | yansanmo | you can move the file if you can remove the file in the current dir... |
| 23:29.40 | bietch | agiofws: i dont what is "perms" there |
| 23:29.42 | yansanmo | or if you have write (4) access to the directory |
| 23:29.44 | hackeron_ | after upgrading to KDE3.4 beta1, juk just hangs on startup saying "Items Loaded: 0" - any ideas? |
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| 23:31.11 | pankey` | ok i founds the problem |
| 23:31.14 | bietch | arr..anyway thanks a lot yansanmo / agiofws |
| 23:31.20 | pankey` | if it is in fact a problem... |
| 23:31.58 | pankey` | kde that isnt compiled --with-arts cant set its sound...only goes to 'Auto detect' |
| 23:32.10 | agiofws | bietch: permisions |
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| 23:32.17 | pankey` | but if arts is present, and the kde* still isnt compiled with --with-arts, all is well |
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| 23:38.56 | bietch | ah..why this button software is not the freeware.. |
| 23:38.59 | bietch | duh~ :( |
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| 23:46.09 | MaxeyPad | I have a saitek p220 game controller (usb) how would I go about configuring it in kde (is there a tool for this basically) |
| 23:46.41 | Dhraakellian | okay... I think I'm going to go back to kde 3.3 |
| 23:47.01 | pankey` | Dhraakellian, ? |
| 23:47.05 | pankey` | lol |
| 23:47.16 | Dhraakellian | I haven't explored much of 3.4, but kicker is annoying me enough that I don't really feel like bothering with it right now |
| 23:47.29 | pankey` | the hovers? |
| 23:47.31 | pankey` | lmao! |
| 23:47.39 | pankey` | yes those are kinda huge and annoying :s |
| 23:48.03 | Dhraakellian | well, I disabled those |
| 23:48.05 | agiofws | Dhraakellian: why is kicker bothering you? |
| 23:48.17 | pankey` | erhm...can that be turned off? |
| 23:48.41 | Dhraakellian | well, kasbar seems to not want to cooperate |
| 23:48.55 | Dhraakellian | (I can't unhide it, for example) |
| 23:49.44 | Dhraakellian | I can't have applet handles visible without having an unsightly white line to the left of each handle |
| 23:49.50 | Dhraakellian | (transparent kicker) |
| 23:50.13 | Dhraakellian | maybe I'm just overreacting |
| 23:50.22 | agiofws | maybe.... |
| 23:51.00 | pankey` | can it? |
| 23:51.01 | Dhraakellian | either way, coming back to it when I'm in a better mood might be a good idea |
| 23:51.04 | pankey` | i dont see notin |
| 23:51.17 | pankey` | Renze, heh |
| 23:51.22 | Dhraakellian | Renze: because we've been spoiled? |
| 23:51.33 | Dhraakellian | in teh Appearance tab |
| 23:51.33 | pankey` | :P how true |
| 23:51.41 | Dhraakellian | "Enable Icon Zooming" |
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| 23:51.46 | pankey` | i have that |
| 23:51.49 | pankey` | thats it? |
| 23:51.59 | Dhraakellian | because I've been running amaroK cvs with mostly good results |
| 23:52.00 | pankey` | before it just used to zoom the icon |
| 23:52.03 | Dhraakellian | and only the occasional crash? |
| 23:52.27 | Renze | Dhraakellian: KDE is ever so slightly larger and more complicated than amaroK :) |
| 23:52.31 | Dhraakellian | it's just htat frame of mind |
| 23:52.39 | Dhraakellian | Renze: yes... still |
| 23:52.43 | pankey` | dam...why'd that change :| |
| 23:52.45 | Dhraakellian | spoiled? |
| 23:53.05 | pankey` | maybe it can be configured in final :) |
| 23:53.21 | Dhraakellian | pankey`: yeah |
| 23:53.42 | pankey` | cuz those "zoom in's" are HUGE |
| 23:53.44 | Dhraakellian | I haven't actually tested out much other stuff with KDE |
| 23:54.01 | Dhraakellian | pankey`: and distracting |
| 23:54.02 | pankey` | im happy about the gentoo split ebuilds :D:D |
| 23:54.06 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 23:54.07 | pankey` | Dhraakellian, totally |
| 23:54.17 | MrGrim | woo juk now supports cover images yay :D |
| 23:54.23 | pankey` | lol |
| 23:54.32 | pankey` | we is like kids ina candy store :P |
| 23:54.36 | Dhraakellian | MrGrim: as does amaroK |
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| 23:54.58 | Dhraakellian | a kid in the candy store wondering why the black twizzlers don't taste as good as the red ones |
| 23:55.14 | pankey` | hehe |
| 23:55.21 | jepel_tailweaver | amaroK? |
| 23:55.39 | MrGrim | Dhraakellian: I knew amarok does, but I was waiting for the better jukebox program to have them |
| 23:55.41 | MrGrim | and now it does :) |
| 23:55.43 | Dhraakellian | jepel_tailweaver: an audio player in extragear |
| 23:55.55 | Dhraakellian | bah |
| 23:55.59 | Dhraakellian | bah! I say! |
| 23:56.04 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 23:56.47 | pankey` | have fun :) |
| 23:56.51 | pankey` | im gonna clean my room |
| 23:56.53 | pankey` | *shudder* |
| 23:56.56 | jepel_tailweaver | whoa |
| 23:57.00 | jepel_tailweaver | amaroK looks hardcore |
| 23:57.02 | pankey` | lol |
| 23:57.24 | MrGrim | http://gr1m.org/juk.png |
| 23:57.32 | jepel_tailweaver | JuK is ok |
| 23:58.42 | Dhraakellian | the only thing that I prefer really prefer about JuK is the multiline comments field in the tag editor |
| 23:59.13 | pankey` | whoa |
| 23:59.17 | pankey` | amarok looks nice |
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| 23:59.32 | ^JM^ | hello? |
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| 23:59.50 | pankey` | hi |
| 23:59.57 | pankey` | bye ^_^ |
| 23:59.59 | ^JM^ | can anyone help me? |
