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| 00:00.39 | Oleg_ | I personally think kde is fast and beautiful |
| 00:01.00 | Oleg_ | I think kde's only major problem is that it has too many bugs |
| 00:01.30 | fred87 | w00t! fixed my rss feed :) |
| 00:01.56 | kdetest | say my name, say my naaame |
| 00:02.10 | aseigo_work | hahaha.. kdetest! whopp whoop |
| 00:02.59 | Oleg_ | oh I forgot one thing to mention |
| 00:03.16 | Renze | kdetest is my beeyotch |
| 00:03.20 | Oleg_ | They say kde is slow even on a 1 Ghz machine |
| 00:04.52 | Oleg_ | I don't know why it is considered cool to bash kde |
| 00:05.37 | bryan | they do? |
| 00:05.38 | annma | Oleg_: so why do you still insist on all that? |
| 00:05.46 | annma | what do you try to achieve? |
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| 00:05.59 | annma | if you have a specific problem then state it |
| 00:06.16 | Renze | it's weird seeing only half a conversation :) |
| 00:06.23 | kdetest | lol |
| 00:07.19 | Oleg_ | annma: I'm just not sure how they define slow and fast |
| 00:07.43 | Oleg_ | annma: if for them 3 seconds is slow, then kde is slow |
| 00:07.48 | annma | STOP it |
| 00:07.55 | Oleg_ | annma: but if 3 second is fast, kde is fast |
| 00:07.56 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 00:07.58 | Oleg_ | sorry |
| 00:08.03 | annma | just shut up ok |
| 00:08.06 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 00:08.29 | illogic-al | I guess I missed something somewhere. |
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| 00:12.38 | Oleg_ | If annma permits me to say it, I wanna say that I still get an error while trying to configure xcompmgr |
| 00:12.39 | annma | lol |
| 00:12.54 | annma | Oleg_: ask in the correct channel |
| 00:13.01 | annma | is xcompmgr kde? |
| 00:13.03 | annma | no |
| 00:13.20 | illogic-al | annma: how do you load up big modules like kdebase and kdelibs in kdevelop? |
| 00:13.21 | Oleg_ | I already said many times that people in #xorg don't know how to help me |
| 00:13.26 | nmatrix_9 | is there any possiblity to recover anything in a ext3 filesystem? |
| 00:13.35 | annma | illogic-al: I don't :> |
| 00:13.51 | Oleg_ | and only one person responded me anyway |
| 00:13.52 | annma | Oleg_: please then ask elsewhere but not there |
| 00:13.53 | fred87 | oleg_, that doesn't mean "ask in #kde" |
| 00:13.59 | Renze | nmatrix_9: not after you've left the filesystem mounted so long |
| 00:14.10 | annma | nmatrix_9: same for you, you should ask your distro |
| 00:14.24 | annma | or a general linux channel |
| 00:14.25 | Oleg_ | oh my God, I'm getting scared that I will be banned from here |
| 00:14.35 | annma | just shut up |
| 00:14.36 | Oleg_ | I don't wanna be banned |
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| 00:15.12 | annma | illogic-al: I don't know if other devels load it all in kdevelop |
| 00:15.31 | annma | I use Kate so I can mess the encoding |
| 00:15.36 | illogic-al | i wanna find a way to exclude certain directories |
| 00:15.39 | Oleg_ | annma: don't be so hard on me |
| 00:15.44 | Oleg_ | annma: please! |
| 00:15.46 | illogic-al | like most of 'em :-) |
| 00:15.52 | annma | illogic-al: lol |
| 00:16.03 | annma | why don't you just use kate+konsole? |
| 00:17.36 | illogic-al | i like being able to move through everything in one window |
| 00:17.50 | illogic-al | that and the integrated grep |
| 00:17.59 | illogic-al | well, the grep more than anything :-) |
| 00:18.52 | annma | yeah, i am tired of grepping in konsole |
| 00:18.54 | Oleg_ | I'm playing ksirtet |
| 00:19.00 | annma | grep eats some resources |
| 00:19.23 | annma | althought grep is the devel Ace of Spades |
| 00:19.43 | Renze | sed is kinda handy too |
| 00:20.44 | annma | I made my first Perl script yesterday |
| 00:20.50 | Renze | ooooo |
| 00:20.52 | adminka | Grep, sed and awk are your friends. |
| 00:21.01 | Renze | ah yes, awk too |
| 00:21.32 | Renze | but then perl kinda grew out of sed and awk... |
| 00:21.43 | Renze | but it's become MUCH bigger and more complex |
| 00:21.53 | adminka | You know what is sucky in perl apps? |
| 00:22.12 | adminka | Everytime I will upgrade perl I have to upgrade ALL PERL APPS! |
| 00:23.03 | adminka | And you have to upgrade perl very offten because it is buggy. |
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| 00:24.14 | Oleg_ | aseigo_work: ok, so how do I make move do some action? |
| 00:24.27 | yyc747 | is there a way to instruct kde to not use arts? I use a program that says arts causes problems for it |
| 00:24.40 | Oleg_ | aseigo_work: Move is there when I right-click on a taskbar button, but it doesn't do anything |
| 00:25.30 | Oleg_ | aseigo_work: I have to write something in { } for void move()? |
| 00:25.41 | annma | yyc747: kilss te arts daemon? |
| 00:25.46 | annma | kill |
| 00:25.53 | annma | I almost wrote kiss! |
| 00:25.57 | adminka | yyc747: killall -9 arts - works fine on my box. ;> |
| 00:25.59 | yyc747 | annma: will sound stop working then? |
| 00:26.01 | annma | kiss the art daemon |
| 00:26.05 | annma | ;) |
| 00:26.20 | adminka | yyc747: No. :D |
| 00:26.24 | yyc747 | because I want sound, but with native ALSA instead of arts |
| 00:26.29 | adminka | You can turn off sound system in kde like I did. |
| 00:26.30 | Renze | yyc747: just set arts to timeout after three seconds or so... |
| 00:26.42 | yyc747 | adminka: where is that option? |
| 00:26.56 | adminka | I turned off whole sound system in kde. |
| 00:26.57 | adminka | In Control Center of course. |
| 00:27.00 | adminka | Let me see where exactly. |
| 00:27.28 | adminka | Sound and multimedia --> Sound System |
| 00:27.30 | annma | yyc747: ALSA and arts are not the same thing |
| 00:27.37 | adminka | There is checkbox: Use sound system. |
| 00:27.41 | annma | you usually have both |
| 00:27.43 | adminka | So just uncheck it. |
| 00:27.52 | Oleg_ | aseigo_work: are you there? |
| 00:27.58 | Renze | then no KDE app will play sound |
| 00:28.28 | grahl04 | Renze: there are workarounds |
| 00:28.54 | Renze | grahl04: yes, setting arts timeout to 3 seconds worked well when I had a soundcard that didn't mix in hardware. |
| 00:29.12 | Renze | now it all just doesn't matter :) |
| 00:30.28 | adminka | Renze: Nope. |
| 00:30.33 | adminka | All kde apps works fine. |
| 00:30.44 | adminka | Even konqueror playes sounds in flash animations. |
| 00:30.48 | adminka | kaboodle etc. |
| 00:30.55 | aseigo_work | Oleg_: yeah.. i'm just busy... |
| 00:31.03 | adminka | If sound is correctly configured in the system all that stuff should work just fin. |
| 00:31.07 | adminka | Fine. |
| 00:31.09 | aseigo_work | Oleg_: and yes, you have to write an implementation for move() |
| 00:31.18 | grahl04 | grahl04: i meant you could f.e. use external players for system sounds like oogplay etc |
| 00:31.41 | yyc747 | annma: I know ALSA and arts aren't the same thing... I was under the impression that arts was created to fix problems with OSS |
| 00:31.43 | grahl04 | wups, not mzself, Renze |
| 00:31.50 | Oleg_ | aseigo_work: ok |
| 00:32.32 | adminka | All what I did is loading a module for my sound card. And all is working = yummie. |
| 00:32.39 | adminka | Without alsa etc soft. |
| 00:33.15 | yyc747 | will kde-based sound applications not work if arts is disabled? |
| 00:33.34 | annma | yyc747: what kde version do you have? |
| 00:33.51 | adminka | yyc747: It will work! |
| 00:34.02 | Renze | they don't work in 3.3.0 |
| 00:34.03 | adminka | Tell me an example of app which will not work when arts is killed? |
| 00:34.10 | Renze | amaroK |
| 00:34.13 | adminka | Even Konqueror sidebar works wine. |
| 00:34.16 | adminka | Fine. |
| 00:34.16 | Renze | with arts engine |
| 00:34.22 | yyc747 | 3.3 |
| 00:34.25 | adminka | Renze: Yes? Ow. |
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| 00:34.42 | grahl04 | amarok has the lovely xine engine.. |
| 00:34.46 | annma | maybe xine and gstreamer were added after 3.3.0 |
| 00:34.47 | Renze | adminka: noatun just starts an artsd itself |
| 00:34.49 | adminka | Well Renze so I think I will resign from KDE upgrade. :( |
| 00:34.52 | annma | in amarok |
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| 00:35.02 | annma | grahl04: it's post 3.3.0 I htink |
| 00:35.05 | Oleg_ | brb |
| 00:35.37 | adminka | Renze: Hmz. So it is good enought...set arts timeout for 3 sec. |
| 00:35.39 | aseigo_work | Oleg_: you'll want to do something like close but using NETRootInfo::moveResizeRequest |
| 00:35.51 | aseigo_work | oops, he's gone. ha |
| 00:35.52 | Renze | adminka: worked a treat on my old soundblaster |
| 00:36.01 | yyc747 | Renze: will the started artsd be used only for noatun? |
| 00:36.15 | Renze | yyc747: no idea... I keep artsd running |
| 00:36.16 | grahl04 | annma: could be, but amarok 1.1.1 is a giant leap anyhow |
| 00:36.18 | adminka | Renze: Agreed. And also using soundblaster. |
| 00:36.28 | annma | grahl04: yes |
| 00:36.30 | adminka | So you say in kde 3.3 apps are not starting arts but just lay down? |
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| 00:36.36 | Renze | now with my SBLive which mixes in hardware, none of this matters :) |
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| 00:38.08 | illogic-al | I |
| 00:38.08 | illogic-al | Hate |
| 00:38.09 | illogic-al | X |
| 00:38.47 | Renze | so I understand you have a dislike of X, illogic-al |
| 00:38.59 | illogic-al | just a smidge |
| 00:39.28 | Renze | and when did you develop this hostile fixation with X? |
| 00:39.32 | adminka | illogic-al: I hate X too. :D |
| 00:40.00 | illogic-al | shortly after it started freezing on a regular basis |
| 00:40.20 | Renze | how regular? and which video driver? |
| 00:40.29 | illogic-al | nv video driver |
| 00:40.43 | adminka | illogic-al: Which problem? |
| 00:40.45 | Renze | I occasionally experience freezes with the nvidia driver |
| 00:40.47 | adminka | Freezing? |
| 00:40.58 | illogic-al | yes. freezing |
| 00:41.01 | adminka | Yes. Xorg will not fix the problem. |
| 00:41.05 | adminka | It is when X crashes. |
| 00:41.14 | adminka | Compile in the kernel magisysrq. |
| 00:41.16 | illogic-al | a couple minutes after I fired up kdevelop it just choked |
| 00:41.19 | adminka | magicsysrq. |
| 00:41.28 | illogic-al | [20:15:56] <annma> grep eats some resources was the last thing I saw |
| 00:41.35 | adminka | It not depends of app you are running. |
| 00:41.36 | illogic-al | adminka: that's what I did |
| 00:42.00 | adminka | scga and X when crashes it is evil. You can only use alt+sysrq+k. |
| 00:42.06 | adminka | svga. |
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| 00:42.28 | illogic-al | i do alt+sysrq+i |
| 00:42.44 | Renze | does the magicsysrq key work when the keyboard isn't responding? |
| 00:42.44 | adminka | k kills a prog on console. |
| 00:42.51 | adminka | It is preety cool. |
| 00:42.56 | adminka | Renze: Yes. |
| 00:43.03 | annma | how do I escape from vi help? |
| 00:43.11 | yyc747 | now I don't get any sound... and I have arts running |
| 00:43.14 | adminka | alt+sysrq+R |
| 00:43.15 | illogic-al | annma: :q |
| 00:43.18 | adminka | unRaw keyboard. |
| 00:43.20 | Renze | annma: :q |
| 00:43.22 | adminka | But usually I don't have to do it. |
| 00:43.33 | adminka | yyc747: Which app you are running? |
| 00:43.41 | yyc747 | adminka: noatun |
| 00:43.56 | annma | q? |
| 00:43.58 | adminka | You are scaring me. I am about to upgrad to 3.3. |
| 00:44.07 | Renze | annma: :q (with the colon) |
| 00:44.20 | annma | qool |
| 00:44.24 | annma | thanqs |
| 00:44.34 | fred87 | annma, thanks, loving akregator |
| 00:44.45 | annma | :) |
| 00:45.56 | yyc747 | now sound is working... apparently alsamixer turned everything down when I said disable sound system |
| 00:47.57 | illogic-al | now I have to start the glibc build all over again. |
| 00:48.01 | illogic-al | arse |
| 00:51.37 | bryan | can you change how small the grid is that the icons align to on the desktop? so theyre closer together? |
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| 00:52.32 | adminka | Well I am sucking kde on screen. |
| 00:52.37 | illogic-al | indirectly. i think if you make the name smaller the grid becomes smaller |
| 00:52.39 | adminka | :) |
| 00:53.20 | MajorBuzz | I am installing kde 3.3.1. every time i get to kdebase it tell me I need to install kdelibe. It has just finished installing kdelibs! |
| 00:53.39 | MajorBuzz | I am using konstruct |
| 00:54.29 | MajorBuzz | What do I do? |
| 00:55.00 | yyc747 | noatun is now refusing to open... how interesting... |
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| 00:55.54 | adminka | Well I don't want to be accused for trolling again but why you use noatun if xmms is alot faster and better? |
| 00:56.19 | yyc747 | adminka: ah, so someone is honest enough to point me in the right direction... |
| 00:56.31 | yyc747 | I thought there might be a good reason to use noatun |
| 00:56.37 | yyc747 | what would you guys suggest for video? |
| 00:56.49 | adminka | I am using xmms. It is very good program. |
| 00:56.51 | aseigo_work | xmms' interface is bullocks and their playlist sucks ass |
| 00:56.53 | adminka | Very handy. |
| 00:57.12 | adminka | I like their playlist. :P |
| 00:57.16 | aseigo_work | amaroK is nicer for that sort of app IMHO.. but still i prefer the clean "get out of my way!"-ness of juk |
| 00:57.32 | aseigo_work | adminka: do they have an inline search yet? |
| 00:57.34 | adminka | Renze: So what you are using to listen music if not xmms and noatun? |
| 00:57.39 | adminka | mpg321? |
| 00:57.42 | yyc747 | JuK looks nice |
| 00:57.47 | Renze | adminka: amarok |
| 00:57.50 | adminka | aseigo_work: No idea what is that. :P |
| 00:57.50 | Renze | like I said above |
| 00:58.03 | Renze | yeesh |
| 00:58.08 | aseigo_work | adminka: heh.. i've just named two and you ask what else besides xmms and noatun.. hehe |
| 00:58.32 | aseigo_work | adminka: and that was a serious question, actually: does xmms have an inline searchbar in their playlist y et? |
| 00:58.33 | yyc747 | I like the look of kaffeine... xine is, IMO, the best media player, and from what I can understand, kaffeine is just a kde frontend to it |
| 00:58.45 | Renze | yyc747: yes |
| 00:59.24 | illogic-al | aseigo_work: no |
| 00:59.40 | MajorBuzz | does anyone know why I'm getting the error that I hevent installed kdelibs while installing kde3.3.1? |
| 01:00.00 | Renze | MajorBuzz: if nobody has responded, I guess the answer is "no" |
| 01:00.17 | illogic-al | Madkiss: distro? |
| 01:00.39 | yyc747 | JuK is really nice.. |
| 01:00.51 | aseigo_work | illogic-al: damn. see, that just sucks. |
| 01:01.01 | illogic-al | i don't like juk |
| 01:01.03 | yyc747 | I didn't know what I was missing! |
| 01:01.06 | aseigo_work | i refuse to use a media player that forces me to call up another dialog to search |
| 01:01.17 | aseigo_work | illogic-al: are you an amaroKer? |
| 01:01.27 | illogic-al | I can't even resize the tab looking thingies to see the name of my songs |
| 01:01.31 | Renze | the search-as-you-type in JuK and amarok is just cool |
| 01:01.34 | illogic-al | aseigo_work: aye |
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| 01:01.48 | yyc747 | I just figured out why noatun wouldn't open... it went to the tray! |
| 01:02.05 | adminka | aseigo_work: Maybe this is because late hour but what the heck is inline searchbar? |
| 01:02.07 | aseigo_work | illogic-al: tabs? |
| 01:02.10 | aseigo_work | illogic-al: oh.. the headers |
| 01:02.10 | illogic-al | I use juK to do mass tagging, fire up amaroK and play to my heart's content |
| 01:06.22 | yyc747 | is there any reason why, as kde starts up, it would turn all the mixer settings down to zero? |
| 01:06.26 | illogic-al | I dare not open amarok though |
| 01:06.31 | illogic-al | X might crash |
| 01:06.40 | Renze | yyc747: because that's where kmix saved them? |
| 01:07.41 | yyc747 | Renze: how do I get kmix to resave them? |
| 01:08.27 | Renze | yyc747: just set them in kmix, and save session (I think) |
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| 01:09.25 | yyc747 | Renze: is it just me, or does KDE seem like it wants to control everything on my computer? |
| 01:09.26 | grepper | startkdeRestore=true in kmixrc |
| 01:09.47 | grepper | I assume, its under settings |
| 01:09.48 | Renze | it's just you :) |
| 01:09.53 | Theory | yeah |
| 01:09.55 | yyc747 | grepper: if that's false, will it not change its settings? |
| 01:10.01 | Theory | in reality it wants to control *everything* |
| 01:10.26 | Renze | what're we gonna do tonight, Brain?" |
| 01:10.28 | yyc747 | now, I like KDE because it's the most beautiful desktop environment, but it takes some things too far imo |
| 01:10.34 | grepper | if its like save session, it will save the settings as they are when you save them |
| 01:10.58 | grepper | not sure it means its going to save the settings as they were at logout |
| 01:11.39 | grepper | um, heh, no it must mean at logout |
| 01:11.39 | Renze | yyc747: not as far as Windows :) |
| 01:11.45 | grepper | wth do I know |
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| 01:28.46 | Borg^Queen | Hey people. |
| 01:29.02 | Borg^Queen | Does anyone know if there's a KDE frontend for apt? |
| 01:29.17 | Renze | doesn't kpackage do apt? |
| 01:29.41 | Borg^Queen | Hmm ok didn't know about kpackage, thought it was too old for 3.x |
| 01:36.49 | Borg^Queen | Indeed, too old. QT2 |
| 01:37.08 | Renze | kpackage is still part of kde |
| 01:37.46 | Renze | where it is rather useless |
| 01:38.22 | Renze | I spoke too soon... it seems to support portage now |
| 01:38.30 | grepper | $ apt-cache policy kpackage |
| 01:38.31 | grepper | Installed: 4:3.3.0-2 |
| 01:38.51 | Borg^Queen | Pardon grepper ? |
| 01:39.10 | Borg^Queen | I don't have it |
| 01:39.18 | grepper | this is debian ? |
| 01:39.28 | Borg^Queen | This machine is deadrat |
| 01:39.46 | grepper | ah, crapt |
| 01:41.16 | Borg^Queen | Ah, indeed. |
| 01:41.21 | Borg^Queen | Crapt |
| 01:45.25 | Borg^Queen | There's a CL app for installing sound cards right? |
| 01:45.34 | Renze | CL? |
| 01:45.36 | Borg^Queen | Does anyone know the command? |
| 01:45.40 | Borg^Queen | commmand line |
| 01:45.48 | Renze | for deadrat? |
| 01:45.58 | Borg^Queen | For nix in general |
| 01:46.07 | Borg^Queen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.20 | Renze | I know deadrat had one... I don't think there is one for *nix in general |
| 01:46.21 | adminka | Borg^Queen: Installing sound card on Linux usually is done using modprobe command. |
| 01:46.23 | adminka | :> |
| 01:46.35 | Borg^Queen | what is it? |
| 01:46.43 | adminka | Modprobe? |
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| 01:47.57 | Renze | gee, I wonder if overlord uses konversation :) |
| 01:48.19 | Borg^Queen | Nope, well maybe, |
| 01:48.22 | Borg^Queen | Hard to say |
| 01:48.22 | overlord | ...yes i do, are you versioning me? |
| 01:48.42 | Renze | no... *** overlord has joined this channel. (~konversat@c211-30-104-78.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) <-- dead giveaway |
| 01:48.48 | overlord | oh lol |
| 01:49.10 | Borg^Queen | Hmmm, if only there was a clue..... |
| 01:49.24 | *** part/#kde overlord (~konversat@c211-30-104-78.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 01:49.33 | Renze | there's one |
| 01:49.33 | adminka | Borg^Queen: There are no philosophy. You just load a module for your sound card. |
| 01:49.37 | adminka | That's all. |
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| 01:50.02 | Borg^Queen | No, no, there's a sound card tester command, I've used it before. |
| 01:50.07 | overlord | better? |
| 01:50.11 | adminka | I do: modprobe es1371 |
| 01:50.20 | Renze | too late now, overlord... everybody knows now :) |
| 01:50.21 | adminka | And voila my sound card works. |
| 01:50.21 | adminka | :) |
| 01:50.29 | grepper | Borg^Queen: sndconfig |
| 01:50.30 | overlord | its not like its a bad thing |
| 01:50.41 | adminka | 03:50 [FreeNode] CTCP VERSION reply from overlord: Konversation 0.14 Build 1874 (C)2002-2004 by the Konversation team |
| 01:50.44 | adminka | *winks* |
| 01:50.47 | Renze | overlord: I know... I use konversation too :) |
| 01:50.57 | alindeman | (20:50:50) CTCP VERSION reply from alindeman: nc irc.freenode.net 6667 < /dev/urandom |
| 01:51.15 | adminka | Oups. |
| 01:51.18 | adminka | Sorry. |
| 01:51.25 | Renze | heh |
| 01:51.28 | overlord | is there an aplet or systrey notification application i can use to alert me (preferably with knotify) when a new file is added to a specific directory? |
| 01:51.29 | adminka | I meant it on status window.=] |
| 01:51.40 | adminka | Eeeek alot of irssis. |
| 01:51.56 | Renze | overlord: none that I'm aware of |
| 01:52.03 | overlord | bugger |
| 01:52.06 | grepper | adminka: does matter where you meant it |
| 01:52.10 | Renze | overlord: write one :) |
| 01:52.21 | overlord | well, is there a cli app i can execute to put in a knotify request from my scripts? |
| 01:52.39 | adminka | grepper: Well some people don't like channel ctcp you know? |
| 01:52.47 | Renze | overlord: dcop? |
| 01:52.47 | overlord | i would write one but the only languages i know is php and (eek) basic, and javascript |
| 01:53.12 | Renze | overlord: you need to learn shell scripting at least :) |
| 01:53.25 | overlord | yea, sh is important |
| 01:53.39 | overlord | ive only been on linux for 6 months, windows broke me |
| 01:53.49 | adminka | Anyway for 112 people only one mirc. I am starting to think irc is going better. |
| 01:53.50 | grepper | overlord: probably using fam |
| 01:54.19 | adminka | I was since... |
| 01:54.28 | adminka | Hm. Like 1996. |
| 01:54.46 | overlord | i didnt even have a comuter in 1996 |
| 01:54.58 | adminka | That was so long time ago. ;D |
| 01:55.01 | Renze | although I'd messed with various flavours of *nix before then |
| 01:55.09 | adminka | Well I had...p 200? |
| 01:55.19 | Renze | on sun sparcstations and the like |
| 01:55.21 | adminka | Something like that. |
| 01:55.22 | overlord | Renze = old hacker? |
| 01:55.32 | Renze | old, yes |
| 01:56.10 | adminka | I don't want to be evil but none hacker asked if he is a hacker will say yes. ;> |
| 01:56.36 | overlord | why not? |
| 01:56.47 | overlord | unless hes black hat then theres nothing to hide |
| 01:57.03 | adminka | Well believe me. |
| 01:57.17 | adminka | And why not - ask some hacker. :)) |
| 01:57.19 | overlord | ahh |
| 01:57.41 | grepper | are we to accept the media's use of the word "hacker" then ? |
| 01:57.48 | Renze | the media is wrong |
| 01:57.52 | adminka | Nope. |
| 01:57.55 | overlord | mines kind of grayish with a slight blueishness, philosophically speaking |
| 01:57.57 | grepper | a hacker in linux/unix world is a compliment |
| 01:58.09 | Renze | yes, a hacker is a coder :) |
| 01:58.13 | adminka | For these guys from the TV a hacker is a script kiddie who brings down networks. |
| 01:58.17 | overlord | you can tell im not a hacker by my crappy english lol |
| 01:58.22 | adminka | And breaks into fbi db. |
| 01:58.54 | overlord | im a hacker in the sence of a coder, but i suck at cracking and similar activities |
| 01:58.55 | adminka | Oh god! I can run a sploit! I am so good 31337 h4x00r and hack da planet yay! |
| 01:59.00 | grepper | so lets not encourage that usage of the word then adminka :) If you mean "cracker" say cracker |
| 01:59.02 | adminka | This is hacker on the tv. |
| 01:59.07 | adminka | :D |
| 01:59.19 | adminka | grepper: No I meant script kiddie. |
| 01:59.25 | Renze | n0, 1f y0u'r3 a 5cr1p7 k1dd13, y0u 7a1k l1k3 7h15 |
| 01:59.27 | grepper | worse and worse |
| 01:59.44 | grepper | now Linus is a script kiddie |
| 01:59.45 | hondje | except with worse grammer |
| 02:00.00 | adminka | Renze: Yeah. Anyway in that bloody popular movie "Hackers" they are breaking into FBI from MS word. |
| 02:00.07 | grepper | hehe |
| 02:00.10 | adminka | And guys who made that movie thought no one will notice. |
| 02:00.10 | Renze | adminka: that movie blows goats |
| 02:00.12 | overlord | yes, a hacker on tv and movies is someone who works with 3d graphics that somehow have something to do with computer systems, and can break in to systems that he hasnt seen before in 60 secconds |
| 02:00.22 | adminka | Yes but people are getting insane. |
| 02:00.29 | grepper | while getting a blow job |
| 02:00.35 | adminka | I got kicked out of the room when my family were watching it. |
| 02:00.56 | overlord | lol, i didnt notice, im not the kind of geek who gets pissed off about details that dont matter |
| 02:00.57 | adminka | overlord: Swordfish - |
| 02:01.01 | adminka | LOL. |
| 02:01.04 | adminka | That movie was sooo 31337. |
| 02:01.25 | hondje | Halle Berrys boobs were leet |
| 02:01.28 | Renze | bleh |
| 02:01.36 | overlord | i have swardfish on dvd, i realy want that cubic worm authoring program he had :P |
| 02:01.36 | adminka | They should read some Eric S. Raymond stuff. |
| 02:01.38 | Renze | mmm... b(oYo)bies |
| 02:02.13 | adminka | But no one does it because it is so boring and not sells well to stupid people for who running ms word is hacking. ;) |
| 02:03.08 | adminka | Hacking on the TV is one of things on earth that really can make me mad. ;> |
| 02:03.09 | hondje | It'd make a terribly boring movie |
| 02:03.16 | overlord | dont put down word, i got out of many a homeword assignment in school using vbscript! |
| 02:03.36 | adminka | hondje: Well in matrix they use real unix, but there is also that green code and stuff. |
| 02:03.48 | adminka | So it is well packed unix. |
| 02:04.02 | overlord | nothing wrong with green code |
| 02:04.12 | adminka | overlord: In Poland we have basic and pascal on the UNIVERSITY STUDIES. |
| 02:04.24 | overlord | odd that the networks of the machines would be sending data defining where the streams drop from |
| 02:04.37 | overlord | we have pascal too here |
| 02:04.50 | adminka | Ehehe. I wonder what for. |
| 02:04.55 | Renze | we only use Pascal for the speshul programming class for the engineers |
| 02:04.56 | adminka | It is completly useless. |
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| 02:05.18 | overlord | but its in high school, universities tend to do c/c++/java |
| 02:05.38 | adminka | Well. In Poland we have it on univ. |
| 02:05.43 | adminka | Pathetic isn't it? |
| 02:05.46 | overlord | yup |
| 02:05.56 | adminka | I will tell you why: |
| 02:06.07 | Renze | could be worse... they could still be teaching COBOL |
| 02:06.11 | adminka | We have teachers who can do pascal. And there is nothing to do with them. |
| 02:06.18 | adminka | Same like russian lang teachers. |
| 02:06.29 | adminka | So program is made that was so they will have a job. ;) |
| 02:06.30 | overlord | or z80 machine op codes |
| 02:06.37 | Oleg_ | canllaith: can you tell me the version of your libtool, pkg-config, and automake? |
| 02:06.54 | Renze | hey, don't diss z80... I taught myself assembler on a z80 :) |
| 02:06.55 | Oleg_ | canllaith: I'm trying to install xcompmgr |
| 02:07.14 | adminka | Assembly on A500 =P |
| 02:07.19 | adminka | Rocks. |
| 02:07.34 | Oleg_ | Renze: am I still on your ignore list? |
| 02:07.46 | Renze | assembly on 48K ZX Spectrum :) |
| 02:08.27 | adminka | Okay I started from A500. |
| 02:08.29 | adminka | :D |
| 02:08.40 | Oleg_ | illogic-al: can you tell me the version of your libtool? |
| 02:08.46 | overlord | i started from an amiga |
| 02:08.55 | Renze | I taught myself basic on an Apple II+ |
| 02:09.05 | adminka | Same here - Amiga 500. |
| 02:09.07 | Oleg_ | Apple II was pretty |
| 02:09.09 | adminka | That was my first comp. |
| 02:09.29 | Oleg_ | Amiga? Is it somehow related to Amiga OS? |
| 02:09.34 | adminka | Pink or blue? hehehe. |
| 02:09.35 | overlord | cant remember what model i used, it was in the thousands tho |
| 02:09.51 | adminka | Oleg_: I had Workbench on my A500. |
| 02:10.19 | Oleg_ | I feel so upset because I can't install xcompmgr |
| 02:11.04 | adminka | Oleg_: What error you get? |
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| 02:11.43 | adminka | Borg - resistance is futile. =] |
| 02:12.19 | Oleg_ | ./configure: line 3927: syntax error near unexpected token `XCOMPMGR,' |
| 02:12.20 | Oleg_ | ./configure: line 3927: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XCOMPMGR, xcomposite xfixes xdamage xrender)' |
| 02:13.34 | adminka | Hm. Show me that line in scriptie. |
| 02:13.52 | Oleg_ | in the configure script? |
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| 02:14.08 | adminka | Yup. |
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| 02:15.40 | Renze | brucehoult: can you do something about the cloud above Wellington? :) |
| 02:15.54 | brucehoult | hmm |
| 02:15.59 | brucehoult | Why do you ask? |
| 02:16.13 | Renze | you're met service, aren't you? :) |
| 02:16.32 | Renze | or is that met.govt.nz? |
| 02:16.58 | brucehoult | I'm metservice. But the forecasters are a floor above me. |
| 02:16.58 | Renze | ah, it's metservice.co.nz |
| 02:17.09 | brucehoult | I'm in the "Weatherscape" team. |
| 02:17.18 | Renze | you mean you guys haven't mastered weather control yet? |
| 02:17.20 | volty | hi, i had kde-3.14 before, i copied the old .kde folder but this kde-3.2.2 just backups the old one, how can I fix it please? |
| 02:17.27 | brucehoult | http://weatherscape.co.nz/ |
| 02:17.48 | Renze | ah, the stuff on TV3 news? |
| 02:17.56 | brucehoult | we sell our 3D real-time weather viewing program to TV stations |
| 02:18.10 | Oleg_ | adminka: #endif |
| 02:18.12 | adminka | Oleg_: I have configured it preety easy. My libtool version is: 1.5.6. |
| 02:18.24 | brucehoult | right, TV3 and TV1. 9 network and Weather Channel in Aus. WOrking on a contract for the BBC atm |
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| 02:18.42 | Oleg_ | adminka: mine is also 1.5.6 |
| 02:18.49 | Renze | brucehoult: so you're saying you can't get rid of the clouds over Wellington, then? :) |
| 02:18.58 | adminka | Oleg_: Hmz. |
| 02:19.09 | adminka | I can build you a binary if you want. ;> |
| 02:19.15 | brucehoult | could maybe get rid of them on tonight's news, if that was important. |
| 02:19.17 | Oleg_ | oops |
| 02:19.27 | Oleg_ | wrong directory |
| 02:19.30 | Renze | brucehoult: not quite the same, is it? :) |
| 02:19.44 | brucehoult | alas |
| 02:19.56 | volty | how can I preserve my old configuration from 3.14 to use with 3-2.2 please? |
| 02:20.18 | Oleg_ | done |
| 02:20.18 | Oleg_ | PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XCOMPMGR, xcomposite xfixes xdamage xrender) |
| 02:20.29 | Oleg_ | done is on that line |
| 02:20.30 | Renze | volty: the stuff in your home directory won't be touched by an install |
| 02:21.30 | adminka | Oleg_: No idea. Hmz. |
| 02:21.41 | adminka | What distro do you use? |
| 02:21.42 | volty | Renze: it's touched, i just did gentoo install, it renames to .kde.backup and write new .kde.3.2 |
| 02:22.02 | Oleg_ | adminka: Linux From Scratch |
| 02:22.04 | volty | s/write/writes/ |
| 02:22.06 | Renze | volty: no, .kde-backup is a link |
| 02:22.39 | adminka | Oleg_: :) |
| 02:22.48 | Renze | you still have .kde-3.1 and your config will be converted across on next login, or something - at least that's what happened when I moved to 3.3 |
| 02:22.52 | volty | enough to do ln -sf .kde.backup .kde ? |
| 02:23.00 | Oleg_ | adminka: what's your version of pkg-config and automake? |
| 02:23.13 | Renze | volty: there probably won't be a need to do that |
| 02:23.19 | volty | ok, i'll try again, thx renze |
| 02:24.06 | Oleg_ | adminka: and autoconf? |
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| 02:24.57 | adminka | pkg-config 0.15.0, automake 1.8.5 |
| 02:25.12 | adminka | 2.59 |
| 02:26.30 | Oleg_ | adminka: did you install Xorg by following the instructions on that page? |
| 02:27.03 | Oleg_ | http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=x-6.8-xcomposite-howto |
| 02:27.06 | Oleg_ | this page |
| 02:27.50 | adminka | I have installed xorg using my distro package. |
| 02:29.15 | Oleg_ | /usr/X11R6 is where it is installed in your computer? |
| 02:29.20 | Oleg_ | I mean xorg |
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| 02:31.38 | volty | any scripts to launch to convert .kde (3-1.4) to .kde-3.2.2 ? |
| 02:32.08 | Renze | volty: you could just copy the old stuff to the new directory, but you'll probably hit some issues |
| 02:33.41 | volty | renze, btw i'm not a newbie, i test-installed suse-linux, copied over the old and it did it seemlessly, but this stuff from gentoo doesn't do it |
| 02:34.08 | Renze | volty: you are aware that gentoo is up to KDE 3.3.x now, right? |
| 02:34.18 | volty | never mind about the issues, i'll check it later |
| 02:34.42 | volty | yes, but i do not want to loose my life getting & compiling the evercoming new versions :) |
| 02:34.45 | Renze | volty: I always assume everybody is a newbie until they prove they're not... saves a lot of hassle :) |
| 02:36.07 | adminka | Renze: I had to remove whole .kde dir because weird things was happening. |
| 02:36.25 | Renze | adminka: I didn't... I just redid the prefs on the offending apps :) |
| 02:36.32 | Oleg_ | adminka: /usr/X11R6 is where Xorg is installed in your computer? |
| 02:36.43 | Renze | but 3.2 -> 3.3 was completely painless |
| 02:36.54 | adminka | Well I copied .kde and what I could copied to newly created dir. :P |
| 02:37.10 | adminka | Oleg_: Yes. |
| 02:37.30 | adminka | Renze: Well see. qt is downloadining now. |
| 02:37.33 | adminka | And it is last package. :D |
| 02:37.37 | adminka | restart X. |
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| 02:38.24 | Renze | remembers* |
| 02:38.55 | volty | in dialup days we were more productive |
| 02:39.06 | volty | (at least valid for me) |
| 02:39.25 | Renze | I'm more productive because I'm not waiting for stuff to transfer :) |
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| 02:41.54 | volty | i was using xchat, then kvirc, now ksirc, what kde users usually use ? |
| 02:42.10 | hjs | Can anyone tell me if http://download.kde.org/stable/3.3.1/Debian/Packages really contains KDE 3.3.1 ? The version #'s say 3.2.2 |
| 02:42.56 | SystemX_ | xchat or irssi :) |
| 02:43.05 | hondje | I'd be surprised if it's 3.3.1, because I run sarge and have 3.2.2 |
| 02:43.19 | grepper | hjs: yeah, its 3.2.x |
| 02:43.32 | grepper | its for debian woody |
| 02:43.54 | hjs | I wonder why the URL has 3.3.1 |
| 02:43.57 | Oleg_ | pkg-config inclues some autoconf macros, but if pkg-config and autoconf |
| 02:43.57 | Oleg_ | are installed in different prefixes, autoconf won't find the pkg-config |
| 02:43.57 | Oleg_ | macro file. |
| 02:44.30 | grepper | hjs: just for "forward compatibility" :P |
| 02:44.38 | Oleg_ | how can I find out in what directories pkg-config and autoconf are installed? |
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| 02:44.49 | adminka | You know what Oleg_? When I have ran these commands my x server crashed. |
| 02:45.07 | hjs | so there is no way to have KDE 3.3.1 on Woody ? Without compiling? With compiling? |
| 02:45.10 | Oleg_ | adminka: what commands? |
| 02:45.30 | hondje | Why, and mind you that I'm not trolling, would you want KDE 3.3.1 on woody? |
| 02:45.31 | adminka | I mean when I've loaded extension and ran xcompmgr. |
| 02:45.31 | adminka | :> |
| 02:46.04 | hjs | hondje: why would you want to know ? :) |
| 02:46.07 | adminka | hondje: Look on brutal truth. Debian = old stuff. |
| 02:46.56 | Oleg_ | trolling means writing inflammatory or annoying messages? |
| 02:46.57 | hondje | Well, woody is pretty much only used on servers and the like, where stability really matters, sarge and sid are a bit more desktop friendly |
| 02:46.57 | illogic-al | heheh |
| 02:46.59 | canllaith | hjs: You could try to download konstruct and see if that works? |
| 02:47.05 | hondje | Oleg_: Or starting a flamewar on purpose |
| 02:47.33 | illogic-al | trollolololl! |
| 02:47.37 | adminka | Time to upgrade kde. |
| 02:47.55 | illogic-al | on gentoo |
| 02:48.06 | Oleg_ | canllaith: I can't install xcompmgr |
| 02:48.07 | adminka | Trollking means if someone comes on #slackare and says that Slackware sucks ass and debian rocks. |
| 02:48.07 | illogic-al | which i still haven't even successfully gotten to boot |
| 02:48.18 | adminka | You know, only talking not to tell what do you think but to raise hell. |
| 02:48.28 | adminka | This is trolling. |
| 02:48.43 | canllaith | Oleg_: Oh well. I guess you are stuck without transparency then eh? |
| 02:48.45 | Oleg_ | adminka: ok |
| 02:48.54 | illogic-al | Renze: my kernel needs special things that i'm not going to do special things to get :-) |
| 02:48.59 | hjs | canllaith: I have a 30 Kbytes/sec connection. Wouldn't want to waste time. Is there some fundamental reason why there is no KDE3.3.1 on Woody? libc too old ? |
| 02:49.06 | adminka | Oleg_: after I ran xcompmgr X became VERY VERY SLOW. |
| 02:49.13 | illogic-al | basically I need reiser4 support and alsa 1.0.6 |
| 02:49.16 | adminka | Then it crashed when I have opened second console window. |
| 02:49.16 | volty | illogic-al: what things? |
| 02:49.21 | adminka | Pure evil. |
| 02:49.27 | Oleg_ | canllaith: are your pkg-config and autoconf installed in the same prefix? |
| 02:49.30 | illogic-al | w/ emu10k1x support |
| 02:49.51 | canllaith | hjs: uh.. .why don't you go and ask in #debian about that? |
| 02:50.16 | hjs | canllaith: did that. they say anything in kde.org is none of their business |
| 02:50.26 | adminka | hjs: I'm not flaming, really, but Debian = old stuff. |
| 02:50.40 | adminka | If you want new stuff on debian you have to compile it yourself. |
| 02:51.02 | adminka | This is why I personally think debian is the one distro which REALLY SUCKS. |
| 02:51.12 | hjs | adminka: stop trolling |
| 02:51.14 | adminka | All others are alot bettr updated. |
| 02:51.19 | adminka | I am not trolling. |
| 02:51.24 | hondje | All the others have a different purpose |
| 02:51.28 | volty | what's with xchat, doesn't depend anymore on gtk? |
| 02:51.43 | adminka | This is an answer for the question why in debian there are no kde 3.1 and in other distros is even 3.3.1 available. |
| 02:52.07 | volty | maybe because debian judged kde.3.1 unstable |
| 02:52.15 | illogic-al | volty: lmao |
| 02:52.17 | canllaith | hjs: How on earth would we know? I have no idea aboutwhat version of glibc you're using |
| 02:52.23 | Renze | adminka: debian sees stability as more important than keeping up with the versions... some people like that (not me, but...) |
| 02:52.32 | adminka | Well so compare version on slackware current, and debian. |
| 02:52.37 | adminka | So you will see. |
| 02:52.38 | hjs | adminka: *what* is the answer? you made some circular arguments: software in debian is old because it's old |
| 02:52.58 | canllaith | hjs: Debian woody is designed for servers. Tried, true *stable* software. |
| 02:52.59 | hondje | Maybe old in Woody, Sid has all that stuff |
| 02:53.04 | adminka | Ah damn it is not distro flame war. |
| 02:53.10 | canllaith | Debian's view of 'Stable' is - 'has been stable for the last 5 years' |
| 02:53.17 | canllaith | That's just the way it is, that is the purpose of it's distro. |
| 02:53.23 | hjs | canllaith: well, kde does provide debian packages specifically for woody, so I figured #kde is actually the right place to ask |
| 02:53.38 | adminka | Well, stable doesn't mean no upgrades. But they are not even aplying patches. |
| 02:53.39 | hondje | hjs: Actually, there is a #debian-kde too :) |
| 02:53.48 | hondje | adminka: That's not true |
| 02:53.50 | canllaith | hjs: Actually those are contributed from elsewhere I believe |
| 02:53.53 | grepper | hjs: those packages are not kde packages, they are 3rd party |
| 02:54.02 | adminka | hondje: Well unfortunately this is what I saw. |
| 02:54.17 | volty | i remember the chief of debian pushing away from kde repeatedly |
| 02:54.19 | adminka | Of course I had gnome 1.4 and similar old stuff on my comp but always patched. |
| 02:55.20 | hjs | grepper: 2nd being debian? anyway I've asked some supposedly simple questions in 3 channels (debian, debian-kde, kde). why no answers? |
| 02:55.38 | canllaith | hjs: You would have to ask the people who package for woody. They would be the only ones who know. |
| 02:55.44 | grepper | hjs: ask me a question |
| 02:56.00 | adminka | Yes, what was the question? |
| 02:56.02 | grepper | woody's kde is 2.2.x |
| 02:56.08 | adminka | Oh! |
| 02:56.08 | grepper | that will not change |
| 02:56.25 | adminka | I will better shut up. :) |
| 02:56.36 | grepper | it started out as 2.2.x and it is still 2.2.x and will always be 2.2.x |
| 02:56.46 | grepper | that is the nature of debian "stable" |
| 02:57.02 | grepper | anything you add is a backport by a 3rd party |
| 02:57.11 | grepper | that is not officially supported |
| 02:57.17 | adminka | kreadconfig: error while loading shared libraries: libidn.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:57.19 | adminka | Oups. |
| 02:57.28 | hjs | grepper: is there a fundamental reason why KDE3.3.1 is not available for woody? is it impossible to compile (incompatibility with libc or something) ? and why packages versioned 3.2.2 are in http://download.kde.org/stable/3.3.1 |
| 02:57.47 | hondje | hjs: Because no one wanted the hastle of making it available |
| 02:58.06 | hondje | Why KDE puts stuff in the wrong place is a good question though |
| 02:58.07 | grepper | hjs: no, it can be backported if you want to try |
| 02:58.20 | grepper | but I would not bother |
| 02:59.02 | hjs | grepper: so I shouldn't have any problems just compiling from sources on woody? |
| 02:59.41 | *** join/#kde volty_ (~volty@adsl-ull-165-53.42-151.net24.it) |
| 02:59.41 | grepper | hjs: if you don't know kde or debian very well, yes, you will have *many* problems |
| 02:59.58 | grepper | I liked the challenge at the time |
| 03:00.14 | Oleg_ | ok, this is the only thing that I found on the internet that is related to my configure error of xcompmgr: |
| 03:00.34 | Oleg_ | pkg-config inclues some autoconf macros, but if pkg-config and autoconf |
| 03:00.34 | Oleg_ | are installed in different prefixes, autoconf won't find the pkg-config |
| 03:00.34 | Oleg_ | macro file. |
| 03:00.34 | Oleg_ | -keith |
| 03:00.51 | adminka | hjs: If it has old glibc you will have problems. |
| 03:00.56 | hjs | grepper: (I'm not talking about backporting - I do NOT know how to package for debian, as a matter of fact). Just compiling from sources (like regular UNIX users). What kind of problems would I encounter ? |
| 03:00.58 | adminka | I don't remember glibc version in debian. |
| 03:01.28 | grepper | hjs: wrong versions of packages |
| 03:01.31 | Oleg_ | so, adminka and canllaith: are your pkg-config and autoconf installed in different prefixes? |
| 03:01.39 | canllaith | Oleg_: I don't care. :) |
| 03:01.41 | adminka | Oleg_: No. |
| 03:01.48 | adminka | All in /usr/ |
| 03:01.52 | grepper | hjs: that is backporting, no matter what you care to call it |
| 03:02.09 | grepper | I had to backport many other packages besides kde, dependancies etc |
| 03:02.38 | hjs | grepper: I see. thanks |
| 03:02.42 | adminka | Well usually even if you success to compile software on old glibc you get segfaults and problems. |
| 03:02.50 | adminka | I know it from my experience. |
| 03:04.00 | grepper | adminka: things worked out ok, but I dont want to repeat the experience, thanks :) |
| 03:04.02 | canllaith | Can always upgrade glibc :) |
| 03:04.07 | grepper | it was time consuming |
| 03:04.21 | grepper | it was fine with my libc6 |
| 03:05.02 | adminka | grepper: As you wish. Mr sarcastic. ;-) |
| 03:05.53 | adminka | Anyway I have kde 3.3.1 yay! |