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09:35.37CBGblast007: dead/working/asleep?
09:36.24CBGseems so. nvm ;)
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16:29.04blast007CBG: I'm awake now
16:29.19CBGdid I ping you?
16:33.50blast0077 hours ago, yes
16:33.52blast00703:32:56 <@CBG> blast007: dead/working/asleep?
16:33.52blast00703:33:43 <@CBG> seems so. nvm ;)
16:34.08CBGeh. don't even remember why...
16:34.27blast007guess you should have just asked right then, and I could have responded now  ;)
16:34.56CBGprobably wasn't important.. "nvm"
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19:57.36a_temp_worki want to watch :)
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19:58.01whodaman-heh
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19:58.11CBGsure, the more the merrier
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19:58.46CBGsure, the more the merrier
19:58.51whodaman-hello :)
19:58.53CBG:)
19:58.55whodaman-did my cloak work?
19:59.00whodaman-I'm having some troubles
19:59.07a_temp_workyes CL worked
19:59.15CBGyou are unaffiliated/whodaman-
19:59.19whodaman-thanks
19:59.21CBG:)
19:59.29whodaman-ZOMG almost 50GB
19:59.44a_temp_work50GB ?
20:00.00whodaman-copied over to the ext.
20:00.32CBGItem 1. Mobo. Got two options, the second is £10 more but seems worth it if I can find that £10 in my budget. a) Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L Motherboard - £50 -- still an option. and b) Intel DP965LT (P965 Chipset) - £60 -- seems better.
20:03.08CBGItem 2. CPU. Most likely right now is the Intel E4600: 2.4GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 800MHz fsb - £85. Another option is the E6400: 2.13GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz fsb - £100.
20:05.01CBGItem 3. Monitor. I found a Samsung I really liked the look of... Then couldn't get a price for it on any UK site at all... Found a new one that seems OK but I'm not so sure about it: http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/monitors/lcd/gaming/ls19medsbqedc.asp?page=Specifications - Does it look good for what I need?
20:05.08QuantumBeepYour budget is swelling like a married woman.
20:05.24whodaman-:D
20:06.23QuantumBeepUh, the Gigabyte supports 1333FSB, the Intel only goes to 1066, which doesn't even support all processors available right now
20:06.51QuantumBeepUnless you're willing to sacrifice the future-proofness that was built-it
20:06.55QuantumBeep*in
20:07.23CBGQuantumBeep: compared to what you quoted me, I might spend £10 more on the mobo, gonna spend £10 more on the CPU, probably spending more on the gfx due to the 8800GT release. That's it, probably.
20:07.26CBGOh, really? I thought the intel was more future-proof...
20:07.28CBGMy bad, let me have another look.
20:08.21QuantumBeepThe FSB is the important thing
20:08.55QuantumBeepFor real future-proofing, you could spend a great deal more on the motherboard - the new Penryn chips won't run on either one
20:09.31CBGNot looking to spend any more than that intel.. £60.
20:10.13CBGI see the 1333MHz vs 1066MHz fsb.
20:11.31CBGAny other comments regarding the MoBo? If not I'll stick with that Gigabyte one.
20:11.37QuantumBeepOkay, on further research, there's a good chance you can run a Penryn on the Gigabyte, but little chance of it running on the Intel due to the FSB
20:11.44QuantumBeepComparing...
20:12.56QuantumBeepAlso, the Intel board uses the aged 965 chipset, while the Gigabyte uses the much newer X31
20:13.07QuantumBeepThe Gigabyte supports quad cores, the Intel does not
20:13.13CBGI'm sold.
20:13.36CBGevery trace of the intel is erased from my mac.
20:13.44CBGMoBo = Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L
20:13.48QuantumBeepYay!
20:13.58CBGthanks QuantumBeep. almost made a tit of myself
20:14.15QuantumBeepYou know you're going to be happily using that motherboard for the next 7 years, right?
20:14.26CBG7? wow. :D
20:14.31CBGperfect
20:14.54QuantumBeepReview: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2183&page=3
20:15.56QuantumBeepOh cool, it can Dual Channel with completely different memory modules, even different sizes
20:16.37CBGOh, one other thing I meant to ask... Is overclocking worth considering? Or best not to bother seeings as this is my first build?
20:17.41QuantumBeepIt's a very good idea.
20:17.52QuantumBeepIntel Core processors overclock like fucking maniacs
20:18.05whodaman-QuantumBeep: 3:20h for 50GB :)
20:18.27QuantumBeepLook at this: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802
20:19.16QuantumBeepE6400 runs happily at 2.88 ghz on the original fan
20:19.29QuantumBeepThat's a LOT of extra speed
20:21.57QuantumBeepWhoaWHOA
20:22.06QuantumBeepThe E4400 I sent you in the original spec?
20:22.15QuantumBeepIt's an overclocking MACHINE.
20:22.27QuantumBeepIt can go to 3.5 Ghz on the original fan!
20:23.53QuantumBeepAn E4400 running at 3Ghz is faster than an E6700
20:25.51CBGQuantumBeep: I'm looking at the E4600 rather than an E4400 but the ONLY difference is the clock speed. E4400 = 2.0GHz, E4600 = 2.4GHz. Seems I can get better clock speed with the CHEAPER cpu (E4400) bu overclocking??
20:26.04QuantumBeepThey're the same chip.
20:26.12CBGThe comparison to the E6700 is unfair because the fsb is not taken into account.
20:26.18QuantumBeepNo exception whatsoever, they are exactly the same chip.
20:26.42CBGso the E4600 is, an E4400 that they overclocked already ?
20:27.39QuantumBeepOverclocking wouldn't be the word.
20:28.04QuantumBeepThe chip can run at 3.0 ghz without breaking a sweat. They just sell it as whatever they need to make their stats
20:34.39CBGi see
20:35.01CBGbut for a dunce like me, they can set the speed at whatever they want
20:35.28CBGwhich means in theory, I can buy the cheapest and ramp the speed up to _atleast_ the same as the most expensive E4*00 ?
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20:35.40CBGso I can run an E4400 at at least 2.4GHz no problem?
20:39.37blast007wait... the intel mobo didn't support quad core?
20:39.48blast007I was fairly sure it did, at 1066MHz FSB
20:41.09CBGI forget, already. But I saw for myself the intel only supports upto 1066MHz fsb, the Gigabyte supports upto 1333MHz fsb.
20:49.10QuantumBeepCBG, the E4400 runs at fucking 3.0 ghz
20:49.20QuantumBeep3.5 if you are willing to buy a really good coller
20:49.21QuantumBeep*cooler
20:49.49CBGOk. The next question: will a tard like me be able to overclock it?
20:50.09QuantumBeepYeah
20:50.13QuantumBeepIt's not hard.
20:50.42CBGok, cool.
20:50.48CBGE4400 it is then.
20:51.14CBGAnd that'll still be fine with the gigabyte mobo?
20:51.20QuantumBeepYep.
20:51.37QuantumBeepThat gigabyte supports every chip ever released for LGA775.
20:51.50QuantumBeepPlus the Penryn chips which aren't on shelves yet
20:52.08CBGGreat. Got 2 components done. :D thanks so far
20:52.15QuantumBeepAnd it's a really good overclocking board.
20:52.24CBGbrilliant :)
20:52.35CBGnow... monitor... http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/monitors/lcd/gaming/ls19medsbqedc.asp?page=Specifications look good ?
20:52.37QuantumBeepThat chipset is only rated to go to 1006FSB, but the incredible build quality of the board allowed them to spec it at 1333
20:52.50QuantumBeepYou don't want widescreen?
20:53.17CBGWell, not sure it really matters
20:54.03QuantumBeepIf you're watching any widescreen movie content, a widescreen monitor will actually have more space
20:54.07QuantumBeepSince it won't have to letterbox
20:54.30QuantumBeepBut square screens are better for anything that isn't a widescreen movie
20:54.42CBGThe PC will mostly be for gaming. The iMac will be for web browsing, email, dvds, etc...
20:54.50QuantumBeepThen square is the clean winner
20:54.53CBGSo most likely, I won't be watching movies on the PC.
20:54.55QuantumBeepLook at this list: http://www.dark-circuit.com/directron/sorteditems/18lcda.php
20:54.56CBGOk, good :)
20:55.23CBGThe samsung not looking too good?
20:56.12QuantumBeepLooks fine
20:57.07QuantumBeepSeems to be a UK-only product
20:57.11QuantumBeepWhat's the price?
20:57.23CBGthe page you linked has most screens about $200. the samsung is £200... £200 = $400. :|
20:57.32CBGhttp://www.google.co.uk/products?q=SM931BF
20:57.43QuantumBeepWow
20:58.00CBG£180 is the lowest price and I'll be damned if that is from a reputable site or not.
20:58.04QuantumBeepYou're putting a shitload of money into a little bitty LCD there
20:58.10CBGyeah.
20:58.17CBGI'll check out some on your site
20:58.19QuantumBeepIt had better be fucking good
20:58.30QuantumBeepBecause a typical 24" LCD costs about that much
20:58.35CBGyikes
20:58.47whodaman-QuantumBeep: w00t
20:58.49whodaman-It's done
20:58.51CBGwell, that samsung does have 2ms response
20:58.52whodaman-4h!
20:59.15QuantumBeepCBG: response specs are a load of shit, just like sound system wattages.
20:59.27QuantumBeepThe specs mean almost nothing at all
20:59.49QuantumBeepIf you want to really shop for monitors, you *have* to shop at a retail store, then find the best price online for the one you choose
21:00.09QuantumBeepBecause the specs are rigged enough that looking at them working is the only way
21:01.35CBGeh
21:02.46CBGWell, your original suggestion, KDS 19" LCD K-92BW, isn't on google.co.uk products at all. :(
21:03.42CBGCan you name another 19" you'd recommend?
21:04.14whodaman-bbl guys
21:06.34QuantumBeepI was recommending based on lowest price
21:07.23CBGok
21:07.25CBGiirc, that guy on thecomputerforums made a suggestion... lemme see
21:09.04CBGhere it is: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-AL1916C-panel-display-silver/dp/B000H8MFDA/ref=sr_1_4/203-3312065-6486324?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1194183645&sr=1-4
21:09.25CBG£127 = $254 so, better than that samsung
21:13.48*** join/#kas Think_Differentl (n=shedelj@unaffiliated/thinkdifferentl/x-838543)
21:14.10Think_DifferentlCBG, have you decided on your parts yet?
21:15.06CBGmobo and cpu, yeah... working on the rest :P
21:15.59Think_Differentlkay
21:17.37CBGLooking at the AL1916C http://global.acer.com/products/monitor/1_series.htm
21:27.53CBGDunno... I mean, it Seems ok to me...
21:30.01CBGThis link should work for ya'll: http://www.dabs.com/productlist.aspx?&NavigationKey=11109&NavigationKey=4294958111&NavigationKey=49680000&NavigationKey=42940000&NavigationKey=13&CategorySelectedId=11109&PageMode=1&PageOffset=0&RecordOffset=0#Paging
21:30.39CBGabout 4 cheaper than the acer on amazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-AL1916C-panel-display-silver/dp/B000H8MFDA/ref=sr_1_4/203-3312065-6486324?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1194183645&sr=1-4
21:31.04CBGAnyone heard of HANNSG ? :/
21:31.19CBG3 of those 4 cheap ones are HANNSGs, one is a Samsung.
21:37.23CBGhttp://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4Q28&CategorySelectedId=11109&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11109,4294958111,49680000,42940000,13#specifications looks good to me too
21:39.31CBG8ms response compared to 5ms on the acer. but £5 or £10 cheaper and, imo, a better make
21:46.41CBGNo opinions? :)
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22:17.23CBGQuantumBeep, blast007: anyone alive? :P
22:18.21blast007no
22:19.20CBG.damn
22:28.41Think_DifferentlCBG, Acer seems to be ok.
22:28.45Think_DifferentlI've got a 22" acer.
22:28.53Think_DifferentlAL2223W
22:29.12Think_DifferentlNo dead pixels, good quality.
22:29.26Think_Differentlthe stand aint the best, but i don't care.
22:29.32QuantumBeepCBG: pong
22:46.20CBGQuantumBeep: looking at these screens: http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4Q28&CategorySelectedId=11109&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11109,4294958111,49680000,42940000,13#specifications and the AL1916C at http://global.acer.com/products/monitor/1_series.htm#
22:46.40Think_DifferentlCBG, acer is good brand. I'll check on that one though.
22:47.11Think_Differentlwide is a hassle for games though
22:47.19Think_Differentlthough it provides a nice work environment.
22:47.23CBGok thanks
22:47.51Think_DifferentlAL2216W is a top selling monitor.
22:48.18Think_DifferentlI heard some bad things in the newegg user reviews about dead pixels for it though.
22:48.33CBGI'm looking at non-wide since the game will be mostly just for gaming
22:48.36Think_DifferentlSome said they had no dead pixels and it was an excellent monitor, others said it just had dead pixels.
22:48.43Think_Differentlah
22:48.55CBGs/game/machine/ lol
22:49.21Think_Differentldoes newegg ship to the UK?
22:49.32CBGdunno... would be expensive though
22:49.33Think_Differentlhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009102
22:49.44Think_DifferentlI bought that one. Great decision for wide.
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22:50.10Think_DifferentlTropican8, We're looking at monitors. Non-wide, though.
22:50.21Tropican8that will cost a little more
22:50.26CBGYep, 19" is best.
22:50.42Think_Differentlhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009087
22:50.45CBGOh, well, wide is ok if it's cheaper I guess...
22:50.45Think_Differentllooks sexy
22:50.57Think_DifferentlCBG, 22" wide for 220ish.
22:51.02Think_Differentlor 19" regular.
22:51.22CBGI was looking at the AL1916 range.. Can only find the AL1916C in the UK.
22:51.50Think_DifferentlOn mine, In the nVidia control panel, you can run full screen OGL apps in non-wide modes, just get black bars on the sides.
22:52.42CBGI shouldn't have any problems at all with a 19", just assumed it would be more expensive and that non-wide would be better if I didn't actually _need_ wide...
22:53.06Tropican8Think_Differentl: what about non-OGL apps?
22:53.15Think_DifferentlTropican8, no idea, I run linux.
22:53.31CBGLike I said, I have no problems running stuff on my widescreen 20" imac.
22:53.34Tropican8CBG: only thing is, the wides are higher-res, you're not going to be able to do HD on the 19"
22:53.52CBGnot planning on HD either...
22:54.04CBGthe machine will be for gaming, maybe some ms office, etc
22:54.14CBGDVDs and shit will be on the imac
22:54.20Tropican8if you're favoring gaming, 4:3's the way to go, especially for older titles you might want to run
22:54.25Think_DifferentlCBG, 8800GT for your video card.
22:54.30Think_DifferentlOnly thing I have to say.
22:54.35CBGok, lets stick with the non-wide then
22:54.48CBGThink_Differentl: that's most likely... but we'll look at that once I pick out a monitor
22:54.56Think_DifferentlOkey.
22:55.43Tropican8oh, one thing. Bioshock is "optimized" for widescreen. They uncrop parts of the game on non-ws monitors, you see a little more than you're supposed to iirc
22:55.44CBGIf nobody has any problems with Acer, I'll happily go with one of theirs.
22:55.56CBGnot interested in bioshock tbh
22:55.56Think_Differentlhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009109
22:56.04Tropican8and your pricerange is how much?
22:56.10CBGdemo was too scary. i don't like horror games, movies, etc
22:56.19Tropican8Think_Differentl: that's what I was looking at too
22:56.22Think_DifferentlCBG, but horror games are the best :/
22:56.24Think_Differentlanyawys
22:56.25CBGTropican8: I'll consider anything under £150
22:57.00Think_Differentlwee.
22:57.06Think_Differentl307$USD
22:57.10Think_Differentlaccording to googles
22:57.20Tropican8Think_Differentl: I can never get google to convert currency
22:57.23CBG£150 directly exchanged is $300... but I think you get £150 screens for less than that
22:57.25CBGright.
22:57.27CBGUSD = teh suck. ;)
22:57.39Tropican8ah ok, you type in initials, not symbols
22:57.44Think_DifferentlTropican8, just say (number) (currency) in dollars
22:57.47CBGhttp://www.google.com/search?q=convert+150GBP+to+USD ?
22:57.52CBG:)
22:57.55Think_DifferentlTropican8, you can also type in the full name.
22:58.08Think_DifferentlI couldn't remember GBP, so i typed in pounds in dollars :P
22:58.17CBGhehe
22:58.18Tropican8CBG: we're even behind the Canadian dollar, don't rub it in
22:58.30CBGso, yeah, maybe look at the $250 range
22:58.41Think_DifferentlIt's good for me. I haven't changed my 300zt to dollars yet.
22:58.47Think_Differentlerr
22:58.49Think_Differentlwait
22:58.58Think_Differentlyes, i changed my 300d to zt, but not back again.
22:59.03CBGzt?
22:59.54Think_Differentlzloty
22:59.56CBGA hardware nut (lol. pun ftw) said "personal preference but look for a grey-grey time of around 8ms-12ms, 300:1 brightness and 700:1 ratio".
23:00.15CBGA response of 8ms or less actually would be nice, I think I can afford that.
23:00.29Think_DifferentlCBG, you can afford a bunch with 300$
23:00.36Think_Differentlmy budge was 250 :P
23:00.39Think_Differentlerr
23:00.40CBGtry $250
23:00.41Think_Differentlbudget.
23:00.42Tropican8responses are rigged measurements
23:00.53CBGQBeep said, Tropican8. but still...
23:00.56Think_DifferentlTropican8, look at the low responses first.
23:01.17CBGif two monitors are both measured the same way and "rigged" equally, 2ms is still better than 4ms. :)
23:01.20Think_DifferentlPersonally, I've had no troubles with Acer.
23:01.46Tropican8some manufacturers cheat and only measure b&w, some color
23:01.49CBGok, seems good. this is the best I've found so far: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-AL1916C-panel-display-silver/dp/B000H8MFDA/ref=sr_1_4/203-3312065-6486324?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1194183645&sr=1-4
23:02.24Think_DifferentlCBG, one think about Acer is their panels tend to be BRIGHT.
23:02.32Think_DifferentlI have brightness halfway and it is BRIGHT.
23:02.49Tropican8no love for the 20" acer?
23:02.53CBGis that bad?
23:03.20Tropican8well it's 1" bigger, is it not?
23:03.21Think_DifferentlI'd go with the 20.
23:04.30Think_Differentlhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009087
23:04.33Think_Differentl:O
23:04.38Think_Differentl2ms rt.
23:05.36CBG19
23:05.46Think_DifferentlOne issue that might come up though is backlight bleed.
23:05.50CBGno room for more...
23:05.54Think_Differentlmost of the time it isn't noticable.
23:05.56CBGprobably should go for a 17" but.. :P
23:05.57Tropican8Think_Differentl: that's GTG, not BTW
23:06.04CBGbet the 20" costs more too
23:06.06Tropican8*Black to white, not "by the way"
23:06.07Think_DifferentlGTG?
23:06.13Tropican8grey to grey response
23:06.13CBGgret to grey
23:06.15Think_Differentloh
23:06.16Think_Differentl:P
23:06.16CBGgrey*
23:06.23Think_DifferentlI don't know the terms.
23:06.42Think_DifferentlAcer doesn't say what mine is ;/
23:06.49Tropican8Think_Differentl: you don't need to, you just buy the most expensive thing possible and hope it's quality
23:07.01Think_Differentlhehe.
23:07.16Tropican8us mortals on the other hand try to at least make some sort of comparison
23:07.33Think_DifferentlI was lucky with mine, I bought it while it had an instant rebate :D
23:07.51Think_DifferentlAnd, newegg says it's not HDCP, but it actually is.
23:07.52Think_Differentl:D
23:08.40Tropican8Think_Differentl: see? most people don't take those kinds of gambles
23:09.15Think_DifferentlI took a real gamble with my mobo
23:09.17CBGgambles? I already bought a £80 unnamed mouse
23:09.26CBG:P
23:10.08Tropican8unnamed? it better moan MY name out orgasmicly for that price
23:10.13CBGhaha
23:10.17CBGkidding :P
23:11.10Think_Differentl80$ unamed mouse?
23:11.10Think_Differentljesus
23:11.27Think_DifferentlI bought a razer and i thought I was wasting money.
23:11.30Think_Differentlohh.
23:13.26CBG"kidding :P"
23:15.48Think_DifferentlI do like my razer, though :P
23:16.15CBGwe'll get to the mouse in about a month,

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