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| 16:26.13 | CBG | I dont wanna spam #bzflag... |
| 16:26.16 | CBG | my list: |
| 16:26.16 | CBG | • Enable QuickMessgaes to be set to any key. So for example, pressing the D key will send the message "Get OURS!" to the team. |
| 16:26.19 | JeffM2501 | pastebin |
| 16:26.20 | CBG | • Enable tanks to bump up onto MESHboxes like they do with regular boxes (within limits of _maxBumpHeight, obviously). |
| 16:26.23 | CBG | • Enable a "packetLossWarn" and a "jitterWarn" exactly like with lagwarn. ? |
| 16:26.24 | JeffM2501 | it's exciting a new |
| 16:26.26 | CBG | • Try to make it so that AutoPilot can shoot/aim as good as bots, but so that bots can jump and use flags like AutoPilot |
| 16:26.29 | CBG | • Either: Restrict the source of bots so only a certain IP can run a client with bots, OR: Make a Server PlugIn so you can run bzfs with -solo # instead of doing it on a client, then use the normal command to block client bots. |
| 16:26.33 | CBG | • Multi-Hunting feature. |
| 16:26.36 | CBG | ah, forgot... lol |
| 16:27.37 | CBG | bye for now |
| 16:54.22 | CBG | So, what do you think of my patch list? |
| 16:55.25 | JeffM2501 | the meshbox thing is a bug |
| 16:55.29 | JeffM2501 | will be fixed in 2.1 |
| 16:55.34 | JeffM2501 | bots should be removed from the client |
| 16:55.48 | JeffM2501 | the quick key thing should be a full macro system |
| 16:55.59 | JeffM2501 | and mutli hunting -- mehh |
| 16:59.16 | CBG | so, they are all gonna be done? |
| 16:59.22 | CBG | except maybe for multi-hunt? |
| 16:59.23 | JeffM2501 | if somone does them |
| 16:59.52 | JeffM2501 | if I ruled the world there would be a roadmap and then I could give you a solid yes or no |
| 16:59.57 | JeffM2501 | but I don't rule the world |
| 17:00.05 | CBG | ok... |
| 17:00.07 | CBG | I think more players would like to see Multi-hunt than any of the others... |
| 17:00.25 | CBG | I think it was very popular when it was a bug in 2.0.2. |
| 17:01.04 | JeffM2501 | most players can't code so "wanting" isn't going to do them anything to get it |
| 17:01.33 | CBG | I know I know... but I'm sayiong, if i was learning C++ and doing all thse things, I would try to do multi-hunt first. |
| 17:01.37 | CBG | *saying |
| 17:01.51 | CBG | and your response to it was "mehh"...? |
| 17:02.07 | JeffM2501 | mehh meaning I think the entire hud should be redone |
| 17:02.16 | CBG | ah, ok :) |
| 17:02.19 | JeffM2501 | to something that is more informationaly conducive |
| 17:02.41 | JeffM2501 | something more waypoint/locked on hudy |
| 17:03.03 | CBG | okies |
| 17:03.39 | JeffM2501 | but then again my wants don't mean much ether |
| 17:03.46 | CBG | lol |
| 17:04.04 | JeffM2501 | I don't have the power to make large scale GUI changes |
| 17:04.29 | CBG | Use the force, Jeff. |
| 17:04.50 | JeffM2501 | to topple tim? |
| 17:05.02 | CBG | hehe. :) |
| 17:05.14 | JeffM2501 | that's a large thing to acomplish |
| 17:05.25 | CBG | maybe its more of a "slingshot and pebble" situation? |
| 17:05.31 | JeffM2501 | and requires more then just my will, it needs the aproval of the body |
| 17:05.54 | CBG | which you wont get? |
| 17:06.08 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 17:06.17 | JeffM2501 | I think many would side with me |
| 17:06.39 | JeffM2501 | but how do you ask somone "hey we think you suck, can you step down, and let me take over so we can get something done with our lives?" |
| 17:06.56 | CBG | you just did. Purl is here... ;) |
| 17:07.08 | JeffM2501 | purl? |
| 17:07.17 | CBG | a.k.a ibot, jbot, etc |
| 17:07.21 | CBG | ~logs |
| 17:07.22 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 17:07.27 | JeffM2501 | like he reads all logs |
| 17:07.34 | CBG | ibot.RIKERS.org... ;) |
| 17:07.38 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't even read the channels he's in |
| 17:07.39 | CBG | lol, you hope not. |
| 17:07.42 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 17:07.46 | JeffM2501 | and so what if he did |
| 17:07.51 | JeffM2501 | they are valid concerns |
| 17:07.58 | JeffM2501 | he's not a bad person, just not a great manager |
| 17:08.07 | CBG | if he did then you DID just ask "hey we think you suck, can you step down, and let me take over so we can get something done with our lives?" |
| 17:08.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not that simple |
| 17:08.30 | JeffM2501 | he takes great pride in it's history |
| 17:08.33 | JeffM2501 | and simplicity |
| 17:09.38 | CBG | so he only uses Floppy Disks, (magnetic) Audio tapes and VHS as oppossed to CDs, DVD,s etc...? |
| 17:09.52 | JeffM2501 | your not being serious |
| 17:10.02 | CBG | I ever was? :) |
| 17:10.20 | JeffM2501 | I was |
| 17:10.44 | CBG | Im suprised WG was accepted.... |
| 17:10.54 | JeffM2501 | he didn't have any choice |
| 17:10.56 | JeffM2501 | we just put it in |
| 17:12.06 | CBG | but that was much smaller than changing the whole HUD... |
| 17:12.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:12.17 | CBG | so its not so easy to just "put the new HUD in" ? |
| 17:12.36 | JeffM2501 | if I made the changes, some older devs ( tupone ) would not go along with out the support of "the maintainer" |
| 17:12.54 | CBG | only tupone, or thats an example? |
| 17:13.01 | JeffM2501 | tupone and chestal |
| 17:13.16 | JeffM2501 | othen then DTR and learner, that's prety much IT |
| 17:13.22 | CBG | really |
| 17:13.23 | CBG | ? |
| 17:13.30 | JeffM2501 | look at the commits |
| 17:13.30 | CBG | wow... :o |
| 17:14.06 | CBG | so there would be 3 of you against 3 of them (Jeff, DTR, learner vs. Chestal, Tupone, TimR) ? |
| 17:14.24 | JeffM2501 | it may come down to that yeah |
| 17:14.29 | JeffM2501 | but I'd not want it to |
| 17:20.50 | CBG | bummer... |
| 17:20.50 | JeffM2501 | they are all good people |
| 17:20.50 | CBG | Sure.. :) |
| 17:20.50 | CBG | Well, have you spoken to any of them about your ideas? or just assuming what they will say? |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | ohh we've talked to him about many of the things many times |
| 17:20.51 | CBG | I mean about your radical hud ideas... ;) |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | talked about his management style |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | he never changes |
| 17:20.51 | CBG | I don't see why you cant put your new hud ideas forward to the others. |
| 17:20.51 | CBG | What harm can it do? |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | 1) it's a lot of work |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | 2) it's a lot of work that is wasted if it just gets pulled |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | 3) I'd want to rip the code out and redo it, but I'd have to change some of our core coding styles |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | 4) I'd want to also pull support for software |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | I had to fight to just get plugins |
| 17:20.51 | CBG | Im not saying go and Make it... |
| 17:20.51 | CBG | Im saying: Just tell them waht you would like. |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | tell who |
| 17:20.52 | JeffM2501 | who is "them" ? |
| 17:20.52 | CBG | if they hate it, or wont do it for whatever reason: hwta have you lost? |
| 17:20.52 | CBG | The opther main devs. |
| 17:20.53 | CBG | mainly chestal, tupone and obviously Tim |
| 17:20.57 | JeffM2501 | tim isn't a deveoper |
| 17:21.01 | JeffM2501 | chestal is never here |
| 17:21.08 | JeffM2501 | and tupone dosn't like any idea I make |
| 17:21.16 | CBG | bah. |
| 17:21.28 | JeffM2501 | the concept of a new hud would not be the problem, it would be me geting rid of the old hud |
| 17:21.38 | CBG | Make it an option? |
| 17:21.51 | JeffM2501 | then I have to maintain the old interface |
| 17:21.53 | CBG | Chestal is online now, on #bzflag and jabber. |
| 17:21.57 | JeffM2501 | and then the code is even MORE ugly |
| 17:22.03 | CBG | heh |
| 17:22.11 | JeffM2501 | it's not funny |
| 17:22.14 | JeffM2501 | it's fucking mess in there |
| 17:22.23 | JeffM2501 | we can't just add crap whilly nilly |
| 17:22.36 | JeffM2501 | and I don't want to do the work to redo the old hud in a new system |
| 17:22.40 | CBG | I didnt say it was funny. |
| 17:22.44 | JeffM2501 | since noone knows what the hell the old hud even does |
| 17:23.01 | CBG | ok, THAT is funny... :) |
| 17:23.12 | JeffM2501 | better to just let bzflag die and do something else |
| 17:23.17 | CBG | lol |
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