| 00:00.09 | adamorjames | yep |
| 00:00.17 | adamorjames | they could have gotten more for it too |
| 00:00.27 | theY4Kman | I just did some calculations, and for Amazon's s3 CDN, it would cost only $214.45 a month |
| 00:01.21 | adamorjames | so theY4Kman how is stage7 coming along |
| 00:02.32 | theY4Kman | Long ways away |
| 00:02.55 | theY4Kman | I have not the technical skill to write a browser plug-in for it |
| 00:05.15 | theY4Kman | I think if I started learning more about video formats, containers, and shtuff, I could help fix VLC's browser plug-in |
| 00:05.20 | theY4Kman | Then I'd be in business |
| 00:05.34 | theY4Kman | But, of course, I'd need some venture capital |
| 00:06.12 | theY4Kman | $500 for the first two months and the ads should kick off after that |
| 00:24.00 | adamorjames | google summer of code eh |
| 00:33.19 | theY4Kman | wat |
| 00:40.53 | adamorjames | theY4Kman: "$500 per student from Google" |
| 00:43.50 | theY4Kman | $4500 |
| 00:43.55 | theY4Kman | For every student |
| 00:44.16 | theY4Kman | Rather, $4500 is paid to the student, and $500 to the organization |
| 01:15.24 | adamorjames | ah |
| 01:15.54 | adamorjames | there ya go yak |
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| 02:34.22 | theY4Kman | http://they4kman.kicks-ass.org/pictures/make%20-j4.png |
| 02:37.13 | adamorjames | why |
| 02:41.29 | adamorjames | theY4Kman: why |
| 02:41.38 | theY4Kman | Compiling VLC |
| 02:42.03 | adamorjames | ah |
| 02:42.10 | theY4Kman | WITH FOUR CORES |
| 02:42.14 | adamorjames | you done yet? |
| 02:42.36 | theY4Kman | No, there was an error :( |
| 02:42.40 | adamorjames | :O |
| 02:42.40 | theY4Kman | I have to recompile |
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| 04:27.40 | Judo | How sad? |
| 04:27.44 | Judo | What's up whores? |
| 04:36.36 | theY4Kman | Annoyance! |
| 04:36.54 | Judo | I'm feeling a bit lonely today. |
| 04:37.08 | Judo | I think I may hit on that Chinese girl in the game design club. |
| 04:37.29 | theY4Kman | :O |
| 04:37.58 | Judo | I've been wondering for a while about how other people view me, aesthetically. |
| 04:38.02 | Judo | Apparently, I'm ripped. |
| 04:38.05 | adamorjames | I'm g2 sleep |
| 04:38.13 | Judo | That got rid of a lot of problems. |
| 04:38.13 | theY4Kman | Night |
| 04:38.17 | adamorjames | theY4Kman go 2 sleep! |
| 04:38.29 | adamorjames | it's past 12 where you are |
| 04:38.36 | Judo | Ripped like this: http://zip.4chan.org/fit/src/1236551776952.jpg |
| 04:39.12 | theY4Kman | No, I'm up to finish homework, find a suitable media player for Stage7, and find some courage to break up with Autumn :P |
| 04:39.50 | theY4Kman | Maybe mplayer will be good |
| 04:39.52 | adamorjames | oh I thought you meant like this Judo http://fc32.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/244/a/3/Free_Ripped_Paper_Stock_Photo_by_thomascall.png |
| 04:40.27 | adamorjames | theY4Kman: school tomorrow |
| 04:40.35 | theY4Kman | Yeah |
| 04:40.54 | Judo | theY4Kman: Are you looking to extend a current player or use a video/audio framework? |
| 04:41.08 | Judo | 'Cause Photon is seriously often, even if it is part of KDE4 |
| 04:41.38 | theY4Kman | seriously often? |
| 04:41.54 | adamorjames | theY4Kman: don't try to understand him just go with the flow |
| 04:42.10 | adamorjames | seriously often... |
| 04:43.06 | theY4Kman | Judo: seriously often? |
| 04:43.24 | Judo | ...wat |
| 04:43.30 | theY4Kman | Not mocking you -- what did you mean? |
| 04:43.39 | Judo | what are you referring to? |
| 04:43.44 | theY4Kman | <Judo> 'Cause Photon is seriously often, even if it is part of KDE4 |
| 04:43.50 | Judo | awesome* |
| 04:44.01 | theY4Kman | Ah, nice Freudian slip |
| 04:44.36 | Judo | adamorjames: Whatcha think of Beck? |
| 04:44.43 | Judo | what about Karas? |
| 04:48.49 | adamorjames | theY4Kman: don't try to understand him just go with the flow.. like vanilla flavored pickles.. makes no sense |
| 04:48.55 | adamorjames | * |
| 04:49.07 | adamorjames | corrected my thought |
| 04:49.21 | adamorjames | Judo: never seen it |
| 04:49.47 | adamorjames | or maybe I have... |
| 05:19.19 | theY4Kman | Wow, this is all fail |
| 05:21.52 | theY4Kman | Judo: what in the hell is Photon? |
| 05:22.16 | Judo | KDE4's new media framework |
| 05:22.29 | Judo | it's built on top of ffmpeg, gstreamer, and directshow |
| 05:22.39 | Judo | it can play a file with just four lines of code |
| 05:22.46 | theY4Kman | Does it rely on KDE4? |
| 05:22.58 | Judo | I don't really know |
| 05:23.02 | theY4Kman | I can't endorse it if it doesn't work with Gnome |
| 05:24.03 | theY4Kman | I can't find anything on Photon |
| 05:24.27 | theY4Kman | PHONON |
| 05:24.32 | theY4Kman | It's PHONON |
| 05:24.49 | theY4Kman | That explains a lot |
| 05:27.28 | Judo | right, phonon |
| 05:27.31 | Judo | KILL YOURSELF |
| 05:27.41 | theY4Kman | :( |
| 05:28.10 | Judo | theY4Kman: What happened to 7chan? |
| 05:28.12 | theY4Kman | I was Googling for so long for "Photon KDE" |
| 05:28.13 | Judo | I want to go on /men/ :( |
| 05:28.26 | theY4Kman | http://fchan.us |
| 05:28.32 | theY4Kman | That's what you want |
| 05:29.04 | Judo | I'm familiar with the furry bord |
| 05:29.05 | Judo | board* |
| 05:29.14 | theY4Kman | :P |
| 05:32.43 | theY4Kman | Ah, it works on Gnome |
| 05:32.49 | theY4Kman | Ubuntu has a package for it |
| 05:33.02 | Judo | y4k: http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1931/reita4jenncopyzz6.png |
| 05:33.04 | Judo | whatcha think? |
| 05:33.06 | theY4Kman | Maybe I can get something written. As long as it plays Matroska, we're golden |
| 05:33.10 | Judo | It's a dude |
| 05:33.20 | Judo | I was thinking of doing something with the wrap-over-nose thing |
| 05:33.27 | theY4Kman | Creepy |
| 05:33.45 | Judo | but once you play matroska, you need some sort of video decoder and audio decoder |
| 05:33.51 | Judo | libtheora and libvorbis perhaps? |
| 05:34.09 | Judo | then again, theora's compression just isn't good enough |
| 05:34.18 | theY4Kman | Yeah |
| 05:34.29 | theY4Kman | I need something that won't break the bank |
| 05:36.20 | theY4Kman | I'm gonna have to use a CDN, and S3 isn't _that_ cheap |
| 05:36.43 | Judo | wait, what? |
| 05:36.50 | theY4Kman | For Stage7 |
| 05:36.51 | Judo | CDN? S3? |
| 05:37.13 | theY4Kman | Content Delivery Network -- hosts and serves files very well |
| 05:37.23 | theY4Kman | Stores them in multiple locations and is never slow |
| 05:37.30 | theY4Kman | S3 -- Amazon's CDN service |
| 05:37.45 | theY4Kman | It's the cheapest and, from what I hear, excellent |
| 05:37.57 | Judo | Out of nowhere.... I really want Den back to the way she was and in my arms :( |
| 05:38.02 | Judo | As you were |
| 05:39.07 | theY4Kman | =/ |
| 05:40.02 | theY4Kman | I want to use open standards all the way |
| 05:40.46 | theY4Kman | All I know now is that I want Matroska as the container and there is no suitable browser media plug-in on Linux to play Matroska |
| 05:45.30 | theY4Kman | Judo: Anything you'd recommend that would stream well? |
| 05:46.24 | theY4Kman | A format that could store a 10-minute video in 20mb would be awesome :P |
| 05:46.33 | Judo | Do you care about royalties? |
| 05:46.44 | Judo | I shall do some tests! |
| 05:46.48 | theY4Kman | Yes; I can't exactly pay them :P |
| 05:47.09 | Judo | so... you can choose between h.261 (highest resolution is 352xsomething), theora, and dirac |
| 05:47.30 | theY4Kman | Dirac is BBC's baby, isn't it? |
| 05:47.30 | Judo | dirac rapes CPUs |
| 05:47.35 | Judo | although, Theora does too |
| 05:47.38 | Judo | yes it is, y4k, yes it is |
| 05:47.43 | theY4Kman | Damn it! |
| 05:48.52 | Judo | WHOA |
| 05:48.58 | Judo | oggconvert supports dirac now |
| 05:49.02 | Judo | I didn't even know it had be updated |
| 05:50.45 | theY4Kman | What about H.264? |
| 05:51.00 | theY4Kman | Oh, that's not very open. |
| 05:51.41 | Judo | not until 2025 |
| 05:52.17 | theY4Kman | Well, wait |
| 05:52.34 | theY4Kman | Wikipedia says that royalties only have to be paid if I release/ship a product using it |
| 05:52.52 | Judo | and a plugin doesn't count? |
| 05:53.19 | Judo | although, I suppose that isn't a commercial product |
| 05:53.36 | Judo | ask in #x264 |
| 05:53.38 | theY4Kman | Oh, wait, I forgot I was writing the plug-in :P |
| 05:54.50 | theY4Kman | You ask in #x264! |
| 05:55.03 | Judo | well, I was testing dirac, but.... to encode a 1:30 video, it would take.... 1.5 hours O_o |
| 05:55.10 | Judo | somehow, I don't think that's right |
| 05:55.10 | theY4Kman | O_O |
| 05:55.42 | theY4Kman | Oh, shit, I totally did not take into account the cost of the dedicated server that will do all the video processing |
| 05:55.48 | theY4Kman | This is gonna cost A LOT |
| 05:55.59 | theY4Kman | I think I'll have to put a 10-minute limit on videos |
| 05:56.11 | theY4Kman | So let's shoot for a good size on 10m videos |
| 05:57.38 | theY4Kman | Hmm...I'll underestimate that it'll get around 1,000,000 views |
| 05:58.01 | theY4Kman | Well, around 350K views a day |
| 05:58.07 | theY4Kman | That's kinda overestimating |
| 05:58.50 | theY4Kman | 350K * 30 = 10.5GB a day |
| 05:58.56 | theY4Kman | Hmm, that doesn't seem right |
| 05:59.09 | theY4Kman | Maybe 50GB a day |
| 06:00.22 | theY4Kman | For 1mil views, that's around 50mb a video |
| 06:00.32 | Judo | y4k, money from ads? |
| 06:00.34 | Judo | or something else? |
| 06:00.36 | Judo | or not at all? |
| 06:00.58 | theY4Kman | At first, I'll try to secure some venture capital; then yes, ads would be it |
| 06:02.47 | Judo | y4k, where's your pastebin at? |
| 06:02.56 | theY4Kman | For Amazon S3, the bill is ~$260.50 |
| 06:03.02 | theY4Kman | http://they4kman.ampaste.net |
| 06:03.20 | Judo | http://they4kman.ampaste.net/m7a626b21 |
| 06:03.57 | Judo | one missing line: <Dark_Shikari> given that ffdshow is distributed for free, for example, and violates 10 fucking billion patents |
| 06:04.53 | theY4Kman | lol |
| 06:05.00 | Judo | If that were the case, distributing with libavcodec/libavformat would give a lot of options |
| 06:05.41 | theY4Kman | Yeah, so maybe we'll scratch the free-standards-only bit |
| 06:05.54 | theY4Kman | Let's go with the best standards :P |
| 06:06.47 | Judo | Matroska, Vorbis, and h.264! |
| 06:07.19 | Judo | aotuv for vorbis, x264 for h.264 |
| 06:07.25 | theY4Kman | Alright, so what storage budget are we looking at for a 10min video? |
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| 06:07.34 | theY4Kman | What bitrate? |
| 06:07.40 | theY4Kman | Does that term even apply here? :P |
| 06:07.43 | Judo | what resolution? |
| 06:08.01 | theY4Kman | Oh, I have a test page...Let me see what I have |
| 06:08.42 | theY4Kman | 480x380 for low-res and 720x380 for higher-res |
| 06:09.08 | theY4Kman | Er, for SD and HD, rather, respectively |
| 06:09.14 | theY4Kman | ... |
| 06:09.29 | theY4Kman | I mean for ~4:3 and ~16:9 |
| 06:11.14 | theY4Kman | I guess if I wanted true 4:3 I'd use 480x360 and for 16:9, 720x405 |
| 06:11.25 | Judo | yeah, that |
| 06:11.27 | Judo | but not 405 |
| 06:11.30 | Judo | that's not doable |
| 06:11.36 | theY4Kman | Why not? |
| 06:11.48 | Judo | math |
| 06:11.53 | Judo | make it a multiple of 16 |
| 06:12.27 | theY4Kman | It won't be 16:9, then, unless I change 720 |
| 06:13.57 | theY4Kman | Oh, wait |
| 06:14.08 | theY4Kman | I did this math before, I just copied it from my test page wrong |
| 06:14.19 | theY4Kman | 480x360 and 640x360 |
| 06:14.36 | Judo | seems good to me |
| 06:15.39 | theY4Kman | So, doc, what's the outlook on it? |
| 06:21.40 | Judo | x264 can encode 1080p in real time with a good core 2 duo |
| 06:21.54 | Judo | with the correct settings |
| 06:22.02 | Judo | I imagine at that resolution, everything would be fine |
| 06:23.17 | theY4Kman | :O |
| 06:23.51 | Judo | at those resolutions, we'd easily beat anything out there at 1000 kbps, I betcha |
| 06:24.05 | Judo | 1000 kbps for video + let's say 96 kbps for audio |
| 06:24.26 | theY4Kman | What does that put the file size at? |
| 06:24.27 | Judo | progressive, of course |
| 06:24.33 | theY4Kman | Wait, why did I ask that? |
| 06:24.35 | Judo | depends on the length |
| 06:25.03 | Judo | but, on a 1:32 test video, I got 11.8 MB with 128 kbps audio |
| 06:25.10 | Judo | actually, I'll send you that file... |
| 06:25.10 | theY4Kman | That's 10.96mb for a 10min |
| 06:25.22 | Judo | ....are you sure? |
| 06:25.36 | theY4Kman | Is that kilobits or kilobytes? |
| 06:25.41 | Judo | kilobits |
| 06:25.50 | theY4Kman | Then...it should be even less |
| 06:25.56 | theY4Kman | That can't be right |
| 06:26.28 | Judo | I doubt this will work, but w/e |
| 06:26.31 | Judo | WHOA IT'S WORKING |
| 06:26.44 | Judo | and check out my upload speed :D |
| 06:26.54 | theY4Kman | Nice :D |
| 06:26.58 | theY4Kman | I'm gonna put a 10minute limit on videos |
| 06:27.42 | Judo | my upload is being throttled a bit... |
| 06:27.43 | Judo | oh well |
| 06:28.48 | Judo | I think the connection was killed |
| 06:28.53 | theY4Kman | Yeah |
| 06:29.02 | Judo | just run it with vlc |
| 06:29.05 | Judo | you'll get to see most of it |
| 06:29.33 | theY4Kman | Using that ratio of 1.53m:11.84mb, that comes out to 77mb for a 10min video |
| 06:30.19 | Judo | a bit large |
| 06:30.34 | theY4Kman | I'm not hearing any sound :O |
| 06:30.55 | theY4Kman | Ah, VLC sucks |
| 06:31.24 | theY4Kman | Now the sound is off-sync in mplayer |
| 06:31.35 | Judo | hey, you're right, vlc doesn't have any sound :O |
| 06:31.38 | Judo | probably my fault |
| 06:31.58 | Judo | ...and the inverse telecine could have been better |
| 06:32.21 | Judo | yeah, i messed this up |
| 06:32.25 | theY4Kman | Fail |
| 06:32.38 | Judo | I'll do some live action this time |
| 06:32.44 | Judo | with some fast x264 settings in one pass |
| 06:33.04 | theY4Kman | Hmm |
| 06:33.25 | theY4Kman | Is the audio expensive? |
| 06:33.35 | Judo | 96 kbps? not at all |
| 06:33.41 | theY4Kman | I think we should allow multiple audio streams |
| 06:33.46 | Judo | :O |
| 06:33.48 | theY4Kman | Subtitles will be negligible |
| 06:33.48 | Judo | you're a genius! |
| 06:34.21 | theY4Kman | Er, no, I'm not! |
| 06:35.01 | theY4Kman | In fact, I'm a cowardly idiot :P |
| 06:36.19 | Judo | my Celeron 530 is processing at 14 FPS at 720x480 |
| 06:36.37 | Judo | Your CPU would probably do the same at ~40 FPS |
| 06:36.46 | Judo | ooo, it's up to 15 |
| 06:36.56 | Judo | let's see how the quality is... |
| 06:37.04 | Judo | ...in two minutes |
| 06:37.39 | theY4Kman | It doesn't have to be realtime |
| 06:37.50 | theY4Kman | People will accept longer waits on processing |
| 06:38.44 | Judo | I'm a vampire, per se |
| 06:38.52 | theY4Kman | wat |
| 06:41.22 | Judo | I'm not goth, per se |
| 06:41.45 | theY4Kman | Oh :P |
| 06:41.48 | theY4Kman | South Park? |
| 06:42.15 | Judo | The Scottsdale-bashing episode |
| 06:42.21 | theY4Kman | Yup :D |
| 06:42.22 | Judo | I'm running a test on a House DVD extra |
| 06:42.34 | Judo | the test on the cartoon was... exactly the same |
| 06:42.39 | Judo | but five times faster |
| 06:42.48 | Judo | so we'll see how this does on live action now |
| 06:43.06 | Judo | encoding time is a bit longer, but that's expected with more motion estimation |
| 06:48.27 | Judo | y4k, imma send a file |
| 06:49.20 | Judo | It's also hilarious |
| 06:51.49 | theY4Kman | Judo: I presume you're using mencoder -- what command are you using? |
| 06:51.57 | theY4Kman | I can't figure it out :| |
| 06:52.25 | Judo_ | mencoder house.avi -ovc x264 -nosound -x264encopts subq=4:bframes=2:b_pyramid:weight_b:8x8dct:bitrate=1000 -o y4k.avi |
| 06:52.37 | Judo_ | and then mkvmerge to take the ac3 audio from the source and mux |
| 06:52.54 | Judo_ | mencoder's matroska muxing doesn't actually work, but mkvmerge is cli if needed |
| 06:53.30 | Judo | keep in mind, that's 720x480 |
| 06:54.35 | theY4Kman | Damn it, apparently mencoder doesn't have x264 in it >_> |
| 06:54.46 | Judo | I compiled it myself :) |
| 06:54.50 | theY4Kman | Oh, wait |
| 06:54.52 | Judo | but, there's always medibuntu |
| 06:55.01 | theY4Kman | The one _I_ compiled doesn't have x264 |
| 06:55.08 | Judo | -_- |
| 06:55.16 | theY4Kman | I guess I was in a rush; I usually look through ./configure and enable everything |
| 06:59.04 | Judo | wait, do you have a quad-core? |
| 06:59.09 | theY4Kman | Yeah |
| 06:59.19 | Judo | right, expect about 80 FPS on that encoding |
| 06:59.29 | theY4Kman | Just using 3 cores for encoding, though |
| 06:59.49 | Judo | there's an upcoming commit that will thread part of motion estimation |
| 06:59.57 | Judo | that should give you a 30% speed increase |
| 07:00.06 | Judo | BUT NOT MY DAMN SINGLE CORE |
| 07:00.12 | theY4Kman | Took about a minute |
| 07:02.01 | theY4Kman | Oh, wait, that's the video length I encoded :| |
| 07:02.06 | Judo | I'm running a test on that mew mew video now |
| 07:02.10 | Judo | 750 kbps |
| 07:02.21 | Judo | 23 FPS |
| 07:02.23 | Judo | :D |
| 07:02.32 | theY4Kman | mkvmerge: symbol lookup error: mkvmerge: undefined symbol: _ZN7pcrecpp6no_argE |
| 07:02.34 | theY4Kman | Goddamn it |
| 07:02.59 | Judo | mkvmerge-gui :) |
| 07:03.34 | theY4Kman | ... |
| 07:03.40 | theY4Kman | It uses mkvmerge :P |
| 07:04.05 | theY4Kman | Neither of them will work if mkvmerge doesn't |
| 07:05.24 | theY4Kman | "CCCP (Combined Community Codec Pack)" |
| 07:05.28 | theY4Kman | Bwahahaha |
| 07:08.29 | theY4Kman | Ah, now it works |
| 07:14.17 | theY4Kman | Wow, I fail :( |
| 07:14.47 | theY4Kman | My video looks horrible |
| 07:16.36 | theY4Kman | 360 isn't divisible by 16 |
| 07:16.58 | theY4Kman | Perhaps we should can 640x306? |
| 07:17.01 | theY4Kman | *360 |
| 07:17.11 | theY4Kman | Maybe go for full-on 720p? |
| 07:17.31 | theY4Kman | Never mind, that's massive |
| 07:20.11 | theY4Kman | 720x480, I guess =/ |
| 07:22.10 | Judo | well, okay, 16 is preferred, but not required |
| 07:22.22 | Judo | a multiple of 4 should be fine as well |
| 07:23.39 | theY4Kman | I picked 640x480 and 640x360 (or 720x405) because they're the the Web 640x and Web 640x HD (or Web 720x HD) standards |
| 07:26.54 | theY4Kman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_resolutions |
| 07:44.59 | Judo | y4k, what did you think of the house video? :) |
| 08:00.02 | Judo | y4k, if you really want to do this, let's get billy involved |
| 08:12.56 | theY4Kman | I do |
| 08:13.07 | theY4Kman | I'm sleeping |
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| 13:10.14 | adamorjames | morning |
| 13:10.20 | adamorjames | I can has DST? |
| 13:16.52 | Azzmib | adamorjames: Drupal sounds good |
| 13:18.41 | adamorjames | cool |
| 13:18.48 | adamorjames | Drupal wins |
| 13:19.02 | adamorjames | you me and yak vs darkguy and judo |
| 13:19.18 | Azzmib | darkguy does not like drupal? wtf man |
| 13:19.41 | adamorjames | Azzmib: he doesn't like an CMS except one that is custom built |
| 13:19.48 | adamorjames | same with Judo |
| 13:20.43 | Azzmib | ugh |
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| 16:40.38 | Azzmib | bitches |
| 16:42.28 | Judo | and whores |
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| 17:51.32 | Azzkikr | cox |
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| 19:21.59 | adamorjames | wb Briix |
| 19:22.10 | Briix | adamorjames: thanks |
| 19:30.05 | antiyou | hi |
| 19:33.31 | theY4Kman | Judo: Back from Fool School |
| 20:09.22 | Judo | Howdy |
| 20:09.36 | Judo | So there's this place I go to every day called Highland market |
| 20:09.49 | Judo | and I just realized a girl from my comp sci class works there |
| 20:10.01 | Judo | she was the cashier today and she tried to steal my chocolate milk O_O |
| 20:10.31 | Judo | Then she laughed, gave it back, and told me how awesome nesquick is |
| 20:10.41 | Judo | Flirting if you ask me |
| 20:11.26 | adamorjames | lol |
| 20:11.40 | adamorjames | steal your chocolate milk xD |
| 20:12.32 | theY4Kman | Yup, Judo |
| 20:12.37 | theY4Kman | She wants secks |
| 20:13.01 | Judo | Nah duder, I'm serious, it was obvious |
| 20:13.07 | Judo | But what makes me happy... |
| 20:13.11 | Judo | is my one-pound sammich |
| 20:13.26 | Judo | wheat bread, honey mustard, chicken, smoked turnkey, yellow american cheese, and some tomatoes |
| 20:15.57 | theY4Kman | Mmmm, now I want a sandwich |
| 20:18.25 | Judo | Sandwiches will conquer all. |
| 20:19.59 | theY4Kman | Now, I must perfect the video processing |
| 20:20.32 | theY4Kman | Then I'll build the site (with Django, of course) |
| 20:20.50 | theY4Kman | And I guess I'll use VLC's player until I learn more about Phonon |
| 20:21.04 | Judo | the video processing? what exactly is this video processing? |
| 20:21.48 | theY4Kman | Everything that has to be done to a video between the time it's uploaded by the author and is available to users for viewing |
| 20:26.20 | Judo | essentially registration |
| 20:26.45 | Judo | I think I'm going to come up with a fast 2-pass profile |
| 20:26.55 | Judo | and I'll make it DXVA-compliant :D |
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| 20:44.40 | adamorjames | wb Judo |
| 20:44.46 | adamorjames | underscore |
| 20:48.16 | Judo | That's Judo_______________________ to you, bitch |
| 20:49.52 | theY4Kman | Judo: I just need to know what I have to run to encode the videos (i.e., with mencoder, mkvmerge, etc) |
| 20:49.56 | adamorjames | :( |
| 20:50.16 | theY4Kman | The queuing and uploading systems can be done later |
| 20:50.38 | Judo | theY4Kman: I'll think of something :) |
| 20:51.00 | theY4Kman | We'll have to set down what we want first, I suppose |
| 20:51.23 | Azzkikr | yaRly |
| 20:51.32 | theY4Kman | Would I be off in thinking you're a co-founder? |
| 20:52.40 | Judo | y4k, any preferred fps? |
| 20:53.06 | Azzkikr | ut2k3 |
| 20:53.07 | theY4Kman | I think NTSC film would be the best |
| 20:53.16 | Azzkikr | ntsc is so american |
| 20:53.18 | Azzkikr | pal ftw |
| 20:53.23 | Judo | PAL > NTSC |
| 20:53.26 | theY4Kman | ~24FPS |
| 20:53.37 | Judo | I was thinking 25, but 24 is good |
| 20:53.44 | Judo | 24 _is_ the original after all |
| 20:53.51 | adamorjames | yep |
| 20:53.54 | adamorjames | 24 |
| 20:56.29 | adamorjames | hey Judo |
| 20:56.49 | Judo | I'm here |
| 20:57.06 | adamorjames | give me a quick mencoder line to convert a video to x264 |
| 20:57.29 | adamorjames | oh and increase the res to 640x480 |
| 20:57.33 | adamorjames | -sws... |
| 20:58.03 | adamorjames | and remove the sound |
| 20:58.05 | adamorjames | well |
| 20:58.09 | adamorjames | no.. I like the sound |
| 20:58.17 | adamorjames | go Judo go! |
| 20:58.22 | Judo | mencoder input-file.avi -vf scale=640:480 -ovc x264 -oac copy -x264encopts subq=6:partitions=all:8x8dct:me=umh:frameref=5:bframes=3:b_pyramid:weight_b:bitrate=2000 -o output-file.avi |
| 20:58.26 | adamorjames | :o |
| 20:58.29 | Judo | change the bitrate and file names as necessary |
| 20:59.01 | adamorjames | interesting |
| 20:59.09 | Judo | that's one-pass of course |
| 20:59.13 | Judo | should be fine, though |
| 20:59.14 | adamorjames | lots of stuff there |
| 20:59.29 | Judo | alternatively, you could use a crf and forget the bitrate, making one-pass a good idea |
| 20:59.36 | Judo | crf = constant rate factor |
| 20:59.41 | Judo | constant quality, in other words |
| 20:59.47 | adamorjames | oh? |
| 20:59.59 | adamorjames | show me Judo |
| 21:00.01 | adamorjames | xD |
| 21:00.06 | adamorjames | the mast0r |
| 21:00.25 | Judo | uh.... I can't remember mencoder's parameter for it :/ |
| 21:00.31 | adamorjames | oh... |
| 21:00.31 | Judo | it's probably just crf=# |
| 21:00.39 | Judo | crf=22 oughta be good |
| 21:00.45 | adamorjames | ok |
| 21:00.54 | adamorjames | so put that in bitrate's place |
| 21:00.56 | Judo | lower numbers = higher quality/higher bitrate |
| 21:00.59 | Judo | yus |
| 21:01.05 | adamorjames | ah |
| 21:01.10 | adamorjames | so I will use 1 |
| 21:01.12 | adamorjames | lol |
| 21:01.14 | adamorjames | <.< |
| 21:02.46 | adamorjames | starting |
| 21:03.41 | adamorjames | hey Judo |
| 21:03.46 | adamorjames | what does |
| 21:03.51 | adamorjames | x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 Cache64 |
| 21:03.53 | adamorjames | mean |
| 21:03.58 | adamorjames | MMX2... |
| 21:04.05 | adamorjames | sounds interesting |
| 21:04.18 | Judo | apparently... Razz has too much blood in his alcohol system.... interesting |
| 21:04.26 | Judo | silly raver, veins are for blood |
| 21:04.44 | Judo | Cache64? You have a Core 2, then? |
| 21:05.01 | adamorjames | yes |
| 21:05.15 | adamorjames | ? |
| 21:05.38 | Judo | I knew it. :) |
| 21:06.41 | adamorjames | hm |
| 21:06.48 | adamorjames | it's only using 1 core |
| 21:06.52 | Judo | y4k, did you compile mkvmerge from source? |
| 21:06.59 | adamorjames | but it switches which core it uses |
| 21:07.12 | Judo | adamorjames, under x264encopts, you can use threads=auto |
| 21:07.18 | Judo | or threads=2 |
| 21:07.22 | adamorjames | I should have.. |
| 21:07.24 | adamorjames | xD |
| 21:07.29 | theY4Kman | Nah, I ended up using the debs from his sources.list entry |
| 21:07.44 | Judo | mkvmerge doesn't seem to recognize Vorbis :/ |
| 21:07.51 | theY4Kman | But I did compile mplayer from source |
| 21:07.54 | adamorjames | :\ |
| 21:07.56 | Judo | now I know it's supported, but I think it's just this compile |
| 21:09.02 | adamorjames | funny how I can encode and watch a 1080p at the same time on a laptop nonetheless |
| 21:11.15 | adamorjames | not bad Judo |
| 21:11.23 | adamorjames | it worked nicely |
| 21:11.28 | theY4Kman | So, Judo, 720x480 for HD? |
| 21:11.52 | Judo | that's not 6:9 |
| 21:11.57 | Judo | 16:9* |
| 21:12.06 | adamorjames | so |
| 21:12.09 | theY4Kman | Rawr! |
| 21:12.15 | adamorjames | who wants to see the video I made? |
| 21:12.18 | adamorjames | xD |
| 21:13.41 | theY4Kman | What do you recommend, then, Judo? |
| 21:14.07 | Judo | iunno |
| 21:14.11 | theY4Kman | NTSC DVD is 720x480 |
| 21:14.21 | Judo | yeah, and it's animorphic |
| 21:14.41 | adamorjames | just use what youtube uses |
| 21:14.47 | Judo | 640x260? |
| 21:14.49 | Judo | 360* |
| 21:14.53 | adamorjames | let me check |
| 21:14.56 | theY4Kman | We're trying _not_ to be YouTube |
| 21:15.13 | theY4Kman | *anamorphic |
| 21:15.59 | adamorjames | Resolution: 640x360 (16:9) or 480x360 (4:3) recommended |
| 21:16.01 | Judo | Asshole* |
| 21:16.13 | Judo | 640x480 would be better, wouldn't it? |
| 21:16.28 | Judo | you know what? let's just make some test videos and then we'll decide |
| 21:16.47 | theY4Kman | What are the test criteria? |
| 21:17.00 | theY4Kman | Total encoding time |
| 21:17.06 | theY4Kman | Output filesize |
| 21:17.14 | adamorjames | Video Format: H.264, MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 preferred |
| 21:17.18 | theY4Kman | That's all I can think of :P |
| 21:17.19 | adamorjames | hmm |
| 21:17.19 | Judo | 1000 kbps video |
| 21:17.42 | Judo | It's sane. |
| 21:18.11 | adamorjames | you'd be amazed how well my 320x240 video upscaled to 640x480 |
| 21:19.24 | adamorjames | still uploading the vide |
| 21:19.24 | adamorjames | *video |
| 21:19.41 | adamorjames | http://omploader.org/vMWNxbQ |
| 21:19.41 | theY4Kman | Wow, this is taking a lot of time! |
| 21:19.45 | adamorjames | click that |
| 21:19.47 | Judo | Java O_O |
| 21:20.03 | adamorjames | eh? |
| 21:20.08 | adamorjames | yes |
| 21:20.14 | adamorjames | on my cellphone |
| 21:20.28 | theY4Kman | I'd like to provide the original video for download, but I think that's going to be very expensive, and then we'd have to stop people uploading 1080p videos and the such |
| 21:20.39 | adamorjames | Judo: you see the video? |
| 21:21.01 | Judo | There's a lossless video of a touhou game somewhere online |
| 21:21.03 | Judo | I'll find it later |
| 21:21.07 | Judo | it's a very good test for encoders |
| 21:21.52 | Judo | http://saintdevelopment.com/media/ |
| 21:21.53 | Judo | at the bottom |
| 21:22.05 | adamorjames | Judo: you see the video? |
| 21:22.27 | adamorjames | /tmp/towerwars-3.avi could not be opened, because an unknown error occurred. |
| 21:22.27 | adamorjames | Try saving to disk first and then opening the file. |
| 21:22.29 | adamorjames | :( |
| 21:22.31 | theY4Kman | I've got V for Vendetta in 1080p; I think that's one of the worst-case scenarios |
| 21:22.43 | adamorjames | I have that too yak |
| 21:22.44 | Judo | a trailer, I hope |
| 21:22.48 | adamorjames | xD |
| 21:22.58 | theY4Kman | Bope |
| 21:23.04 | theY4Kman | *Nope |
| 21:23.06 | Judo | Bope |
| 21:23.12 | theY4Kman | I'm stopping it at 10 minutes |
| 21:24.56 | adamorjames | Judo theY4Kman did you see my video? |
| 21:25.04 | adamorjames | pretty nice eh? |
| 21:25.15 | adamorjames | 320x240 -> 640x480 |
| 21:25.22 | theY4Kman | I didn't -- fucker won't play |
| 21:25.27 | adamorjames | eh? |
| 21:25.35 | adamorjames | won't play? |
| 21:25.46 | adamorjames | what's the error? |
| 21:25.50 | theY4Kman | Something about Linux having horrible browser media plug-ins |
| 21:25.59 | adamorjames | lol |
| 21:26.08 | adamorjames | let me upload somewhere else |
| 21:26.19 | adamorjames | or... |
| 21:26.25 | adamorjames | let me zip it |
| 21:26.26 | adamorjames | xD |
| 21:27.39 | Judo | totem was able to play adamorjames' video |
| 21:27.41 | Judo | just sayin' |
| 21:27.50 | adamorjames | Judo: pretty nice eh? |
| 21:27.56 | Judo | meh |
| 21:27.59 | adamorjames | didn't even look like 320x240 |
| 21:28.09 | adamorjames | looked like 640x480 |
| 21:28.38 | adamorjames | Judo: that's my favorite game on the cellphone btw |
| 21:32.39 | adamorjames | ok theY4Kman http://omploader.org/vMWNxdA |
| 21:34.43 | theY4Kman | That does look very nice |
| 21:35.46 | adamorjames | yep |
| 21:36.34 | adamorjames | not bad for an upscaled video on a cheap camera |
| 21:38.25 | adamorjames | I had to reduce the backlight brightness because it made the screen toobright |
| 21:38.31 | adamorjames | haha |
| 21:39.54 | adamorjames | back to my 1080p movie of the day |
| 23:01.22 | theY4Kman | Judo: Should the browser plug-in be specific to Stage7, or should it support anything it can, but support Stage7 really well? |
| 23:03.31 | theY4Kman | I don't think it needs any after-video ads or video recommendations |
| 23:03.37 | theY4Kman | We can use HTML for that |
| 23:06.18 | Judo | theY4Kman: Generic browser plugin' |
| 23:06.19 | Judo | ffmpeg-based, of course |
| 23:06.19 | theY4Kman | Whoa, whoa, whoa |
| 23:06.19 | Judo | or... gstreamer? |
| 23:06.19 | theY4Kman | I remember ffmpeg being a total bitch to setup |
| 23:06.19 | Judo | WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?! |
| 23:06.19 | Judo | it can be statically linked, so... |
| 23:06.19 | theY4Kman | I WANT PHONON |
| 23:06.20 | Judo | but can it be used without KDE 4? |
| 23:06.20 | Judo | I never researched that part |
| 23:06.24 | theY4Kman | Yes, as far as I can tell |
| 23:06.34 | theY4Kman | It uses GStreamer |
| 23:06.54 | Judo | It's superior in every way |
| 23:06.54 | theY4Kman | And it works on Windows |
| 23:07.11 | Judo | It's a wrapper above gstreamer, directshow, and ffmpeg if all else fails |
| 23:07.31 | Judo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.31 | Judo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.31 | Judo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.31 | Judo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.31 | Judo | man, that is awesome |
| 23:07.31 | theY4Kman | Yup |
| 23:07.49 | theY4Kman | So the interface will be the only tough part |
| 23:07.49 | Judo | ooo, it's part of QT |
| 23:07.56 | Judo | this could make things much simpler |
| 23:07.56 | adamorjames | your mom |
| 23:08.01 | theY4Kman | And that's what we need, at least at first |
| 23:08.45 | theY4Kman | adamorjames: would you like to help? We'll probably need a good web designer |
| 23:08.45 | Judo | So we're going to have a QT-based/Phonon-based browser plugin with audio and subtitle stream toggling |
| 23:09.04 | theY4Kman | *definitely |
| 23:09.04 | theY4Kman | That sounds about right, Judo |
| 23:09.04 | Judo | Stage7, then, will be based on high-quality matroska/vorbis/h.264 videos |
| 23:09.18 | theY4Kman | Cross-platform |
| 23:09.18 | theY4Kman | Let's get this shit written down somewhere |
| 23:09.18 | theY4Kman | Shared Google Doc? |
| 23:09.23 | Judo | I haven't done much research with NS plugins, but this oughta be fun |
| 23:09.23 | adamorjames | theY4Kman: sure sure why not... |
| 23:09.24 | theY4Kman | Judo: I have. It's horrendous. |
| 23:09.25 | Judo | meh, I have my IRC logs, good 'nough |
| 23:09.39 | Judo | but there's no way around it, y4k |
| 23:09.45 | theY4Kman | Nope |
| 23:09.49 | theY4Kman | We'll just have to suffer through it |
| 23:10.06 | adamorjames | tomorrow I will start on redoing the iteam website |
| 23:11.40 | adamorjames | or maybe I should start now |
| 23:11.40 | theY4Kman | AFAIK, Stage7 is a totally legal name |
| 23:11.47 | Judo | Stage7 is legal |
| 23:11.47 | Judo | Now, obviously, Python is a must |
| 23:11.47 | Judo | BUT, what about Pylons? |
| 23:11.47 | theY4Kman | Additional pylons? |
| 23:11.55 | Judo | No, it's a web framework, billy praises it |
| 23:12.11 | Judo | He continues to choose it over Django |
| 23:12.25 | theY4Kman | Billy must also like Ruby on Rails |
| 23:12.31 | Judo | Nope, he hates it |
| 23:12.55 | theY4Kman | Weird, because Pylons is essentially Python on Rails |
| 23:13.48 | Judo | yup yup |
| 23:13.48 | adamorjames | iteamgame.org/rect5048.png |
| 23:13.48 | Judo | well, I do know Django well enough |
| 23:13.48 | theY4Kman | I know and like Django, but I'm definitely open for suggestions |
| 23:13.48 | adamorjames | lol |
| 23:13.58 | Judo | whatever happened to that framework comparison video... |
| 23:13.58 | adamorjames | my first design |
| 23:14.02 | Judo | adamorjames: a bit depressing, but the overall style is very nice |
| 23:14.02 | adamorjames | but I'm going to instead use a Drupal theme |
| 23:14.03 | adamorjames | ya |
| 23:14.11 | Judo | adamorjames, luperry.com, that drupal theme :D |
| 23:14.33 | adamorjames | I'm g2 use this this http://alldrupalthemes.com/preview/node/2&theme=garland |
| 23:14.53 | Judo | http://www.luperry.com/ >:( |
| 23:14.57 | adamorjames | of course I'll make it look like iteam |
| 23:15.12 | adamorjames | black and red and the logo and whatnot |
| 23:15.27 | adamorjames | but ya... |
| 23:16.00 | adamorjames | Judo: otaku |
| 23:16.06 | theY4Kman | Yuck, Judo |
| 23:16.20 | Judo | theY4Kman: Are you able to mux Vorbis with mkvmerge? |
| 23:16.26 | adamorjames | what do you think yak? |
| 23:16.32 | adamorjames | for the iteam site |
| 23:16.35 | theY4Kman | Looks like a total weeaboo site: small text, little padding, and oodles of anime |
| 23:16.37 | adamorjames | I'm g2 use this this http://alldrupalthemes.com/preview/node/2&theme=garland |
| 23:16.46 | Judo | Just how I like it. |
| 23:17.15 | theY4Kman | Judo: I haven't tried, yet |
| 23:17.31 | adamorjames | change the green gradient to black gradient and make the drupal icon the iteam logo |
| 23:17.31 | theY4Kman | adamorjames: Not too bad...I can't say I like the black background |
| 23:17.43 | adamorjames | no no yak |
| 23:18.01 | adamorjames | I said that was my first design but now I'm g2 use a drupal theme |
| 23:18.07 | theY4Kman | Er |
| 23:18.16 | adamorjames | http://alldrupalthemes.com/preview/node/2&theme=garland |
| 23:18.19 | adamorjames | click |
| 23:18.27 | adamorjames | change the green gradient to black gradient and make the drupal icon the iteam logo |
| 23:18.42 | adamorjames | and it will be home |
| 23:18.59 | adamorjames | no? |
| 23:19.12 | Judo | interesting... |
| 23:19.24 | Judo | I'm doing some tests with that lossless touhou video and I see something interesting |
| 23:19.38 | Judo | despite the background (the maroon part) being _completely_ stationary, it's still blurred |
| 23:19.55 | Judo | the whole idea of p frames is to reuse parts that do not change |
| 23:19.57 | Judo | wtf, mate? |
| 23:20.34 | adamorjames | hmm |
| 23:20.58 | Judo | I wonder how xvid's cartoon mode would handle this... |
| 23:21.56 | theY4Kman | So how is Vorbis on compression? |
| 23:21.56 | adamorjames | aha! |
| 23:22.08 | adamorjames | hmm |
| 23:22.10 | theY4Kman | Are we talking comparable to MP3? |
| 23:22.10 | Judo | Vorbis is king. |
| 23:22.25 | Judo | comparable to MP3? No. At least twice the compression. |
| 23:22.50 | Judo | AAC-LC can say the same, but aotuv is probably the best implementation of an audio encoder out there |
| 23:22.53 | Judo | god bless FOSS |
| 23:25.46 | Judo | nevermind, xvid's cartoon mode has failed me :( |
| 23:29.42 | Judo | also, I think I love Geany |
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| 23:48.54 | Judo | hey y4k, is it normal for <form>s to create a new line? |
| 23:50.35 | theY4Kman | idk |
| 23:50.43 | theY4Kman | IIRC, no |
| 23:51.51 | Judo | well, you remembered incorrectly, it would seem |
| 23:52.02 | theY4Kman | D: |
| 23:52.34 | theY4Kman | mkvmerge really sucks. |
| 23:53.45 | DARKGuy | your memory too. |
| 23:53.54 | theY4Kman | NAH-AH |
| 23:53.54 | DARKGuy | and I suck, royally. |
| 23:54.18 | theY4Kman | "Note: The form element is a block-level element, and creates a line break before and after itself." |
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| 23:56.56 | adamorjames | :: Starting MySQL [FAIL] |
| 23:56.58 | adamorjames | :( |
| 23:57.22 | DARKGuy | haha |
| 23:57.23 | DARKGuy | you fail |
| 23:57.38 | adamorjames | DARKGuy: iteam is moving to Drupal |
| 23:57.45 | DARKGuy | o_O! |
| 23:57.46 | DARKGuy | really? |
| 23:57.47 | DARKGuy | wtf |
| 23:57.48 | DARKGuy | when |
| 23:57.55 | DARKGuy | :O |
| 23:58.01 | adamorjames | theY4Kman me Azzkikr and Briix decided |
| 23:58.07 | adamorjames | you and Judo lose |
| 23:58.12 | DARKGuy | nobody asked me anyways |
| 23:58.18 | DARKGuy | and I'm the leader so HA |
| 23:58.19 | DARKGuy | -.- |
| 23:58.20 | DARKGuy | no rly |
| 23:58.22 | adamorjames | lol |
| 23:58.27 | adamorjames | oh and DARKGuy |
| 23:58.29 | theY4Kman | MUTINY |
| 23:58.29 | DARKGuy | good thing you guys chose a good cms :P |
| 23:58.39 | adamorjames | you see the iteam site? |
| 23:59.30 | adamorjames | that took me a long time to do.. (the blog thing) but now I've decided on a total restructure and redesign |
| 23:59.39 | adamorjames | new slate |
| 23:59.46 | DARKGuy | o_O! |
| 23:59.47 | DARKGuy | oh jesus |
| 23:59.53 | adamorjames | lol |
| 23:59.54 | DARKGuy | JESUS. |
| 23:59.54 | DARKGuy | well |
| 23:59.55 | DARKGuy | wtf |
