| 03:13:42 | JerryShenk | I just got an Ipaq 3850 (64 megs). I also have an Ipaq 3650 (32 megs). I want to load linux on one of them....problem is, which one. My main reason for linux on one of them is to run kismet (wireless auditing). |
| 03:13:58 | JerryShenk | I may find other reasons later but that's the main reason right now. |
| 03:15:14 | gonz | thinks it doesn't matter |
| 03:15:34 | JerryShenk | so 32 megs is plenty? |
| 03:16:49 | JerryShenk | I'd kindof like to run the newer/bigger Ipaq with PC2002 cuz the kids will play games, etc. on it. I've also got some apps to run on it but they run find on 32 megs |
| 03:17:00 | JerryShenk | how much space is left after loading linux? |
| 03:17:51 | gonz | depends how much of linux you install ;) |
| 03:18:20 | JerryShenk | Well, for kismet, I don't really need a gui. |
| 03:18:42 | gonz | it'll be enough on both if kismet is your main goal |
| 03:19:01 | JerryShenk | I can grab the files off of it somehow and generate the maps on my laptop. |
| 03:19:38 | gonz | even with X you can get a config with >5 mb free flash and full ram |
| 03:19:49 | JerryShenk | I don't know what else I could run on it. I've been toying with the idea for a couple months but with this new Ipaq falling into my lap, it makes a lot of sense. |
| 03:20:32 | JerryShenk | Oh, you mean that linux loads completly in the 16 meg flash leaving 32 megs for 'disk'? |
| 03:20:40 | gonz | just do it - have a start at http://www.handhelds.org/ |
| 03:20:52 | gonz | JerryShenk: yep |
| 03:20:55 | JerryShenk | I've got that up now |
| 03:21:15 | JerryShenk | WOW! Why does is take 900 megs on my laptop;) |
| 03:21:24 | JerryShenk | XP that is. |
| 03:21:49 | gonz | well, with debian, you cann install around 80 megs with X11 |
| 03:21:59 | gonz | i love opie though.. |
| 03:22:34 | JerryShenk | Hmmmm....didn't realize there different distros |
| 03:23:42 | JerryShenk | It seems there are two boot loaders - bootldr and BootBlaster. Which do I want? |
| 03:23:49 | gonz | they all use familiar as the base and then you can choose (or even install both) - x11 or opie ... anything |
| 03:24:11 | gonz | you can even install a full blown debian when you have storage over network or a cf/pcmcia harddisk |
| 03:24:24 | JerryShenk | oh, I see - X11 and opie are competing GUIs? |
| 03:24:28 | gonz | i used bootldr - it's simply more standard |
| 03:24:37 | gonz | JerryShenk: yep |
| 03:24:42 | | opie is probably the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. |
| 03:24:42 | gonz | ibot: opie |
| 03:24:44 | JerryShenk | that's a pretty good reason. |
| 03:25:04 | gonz | well... kde 3.0 will be slow ;) |
| 03:25:30 | JerryShenk | X11 = KDE? |
| 03:25:47 | gonz | nope |
| 03:25:52 | gonz | x11 is quick |
| 03:26:09 | JerryShenk | Oh, you mean the 'full' KDE like my laptop has? |
| 03:26:13 | gonz | kde is a full blown desktop windowing environment - i mean fullblown |
| 03:26:25 | gonz | it's about unbelieavable it even runs on this tiny device |
| 03:26:31 | gonz | yep |
| 03:26:57 | JerryShenk | Really, the only reason to put a GUI on it at all would be so my kids can have some games on it.....really handy on trips! |
| 03:27:19 | gonz | http://opie.handhelds.org/screenshots/gallery/ |
| 03:27:25 | JerryShenk | 'course, I might find other things for the GUI to do once I got to know more about it |
| 03:28:33 | gonz | btw: with opie-sh you can even make your shell-scripts using the gui ;) |
| 03:28:37 | | opie-sh is a shell frontend to qt dialogs (and a nifty text/html viewer) at http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812 or having some example-scripts at http://thommy.myip.org/tmp/ |
| 03:28:37 | gonz | ibot: opie-sh |
| 03:31:18 | gonz | is going to bed (it's 05:30am here) |
| 03:31:42 | gonz | n8 |
| 03:31:44 | JerryShenk | g'nite - thanks a bunch! |
| 03:31:52 | JerryShenk | this is a helpful start |
| 06:38:03 | cruiserman | anyone up? |
| 06:38:23 | | cruiserman: excuse me? |
| 06:38:23 | cruiserman | ibot: intellisync |
| 07:10:24 | Feral_Kid | Anyone awake? |
| 10:41:14 | JerryShenk | Looks like I need to get a serial cable for my 3650 if I install Linux on that one.....I think. The 3850 came with a serial port built into it's cradle. |
| 11:28:48 | JerryShenk | One more question about that serial connection - does it need to be a serial cable or a serial sync cable? I'm presuming the former and also, is the only difference a null modem - that is, a null modem adapter with either cable makes it the other? I'm looking at Code:PQSM on http://pc-mobile.net/ppcmain.htm. |
| 14:19:46 | pattieja | is back (gone 24:24:30) |
| 15:50:27 | tuomala | foo, anyone awake here? |