| 01:53:32 | cire | hey |
| 02:00:27 | MonMotha | hi |
| 02:41:40 | Crucio | Is it possible to make the pocketpc see an SD memory card, not as a storage medium, but as a server? |
| 02:41:40 | Crucio | like the files stream off of it? |
| 02:41:40 | Crucio | but cannot be taken off? |
| 02:43:24 | sven | how? is there anything running on the SD card? |
| 02:54:48 | Crucio | a video |
| 02:54:48 | Crucio | or a sound file |
| 02:55:36 | Crucio | im addressing the concern of copyright people to end piracy so that they will let me put movies on SD cards and mass produce the,m |
| 02:56:27 | sven | hmm, got me, I'll have to jump that stone when I get there |
| 02:56:38 | Crucio | k |
| 02:56:55 | banshee | could make some proprietary format or just don't put a filesystem per say down on it, just lay the video format down on it |
| 02:57:43 | banshee | kinda like an audio cd's track |
| 02:59:03 | Crucio | would anyone be interested in watching fulllength legal movies on their pda? |
| 02:59:03 | Crucio | i think im going to make the file stream like its connecting to a remote file. Maybe a link to the video file on the pda itself which will make the video on the SD card stream |
| 02:59:03 | Crucio | sort of like the was .asx from microsoft works? |
| 02:59:03 | Crucio | do u think its possible? |
| 02:59:34 | Crucio | Unfortunetly unless i come up with an uncopyable method the video and recording industry wont ok this :-p |
| 02:59:45 | banshee | *cough *cough *css *cough |
| 02:59:47 | banshee | bwuahahahhahahaa |
| 03:00:19 | banshee | uncopyable... only way it'll be that is to keep the format unavailble from anyone under the age of 25 |
| 03:00:50 | Crucio | I know :p, anything one man builds another can tear it down unfortunetly |
| 03:01:13 | banshee | don't know what's so unfornunate about that... |
| 03:01:38 | Crucio | well, i guess that u get less money for something you worked hard on to create |
| 03:02:06 | banshee | ... i got laid off for something i worked hard on.. .. .. .. |
| 03:02:19 | Crucio | i mean dont get me wrong, i encode for #DDX, but i would like to move to more legal encoding |
| 03:04:20 | Crucio | besides. |
| 03:04:42 | Crucio | i dont want to use that stupid time bomb idea the recording industry likes |
| 03:05:42 | Crucio | i think that if cheap read only SD cards were mass produced, sort of like silver cds and commercial dvds. that were not recognized as media for the ipaq, the video idea could work |
| 03:06:21 | Crucio | the videos DO work, but @ about 180 MBs each, they are easy to trade on the internet and the industry would never stand for that |
| 03:07:24 | banshee | well, if you got a reader, or at least could bind the sd card to a raw device in 'nix you could always just dd rip the media off it |
| 03:07:34 | banshee | it'd just be one big raw file... but so is a .iso |
| 03:10:28 | Crucio | :( |
| 03:10:29 | Crucio | SD cards are relativly secure, what if the algoithm was changed so that it is like 128bit encryption |
| 03:11:19 | banshee | yea but you can still pull all the encrypted data off it, place it somewhere and run stuff off that data stream as if it were a device |
| 03:12:06 | Crucio | besides why would u want to rip the file? |
| 03:12:06 | Crucio | it would be a 240x320 (not 320x240) clip that would suck on a desktop |
| 03:12:43 | Crucio | and the SD card costs about $200, the video card costs $10 |
| 03:12:48 | banshee | yea, but once you rip it off on a desktop... you got the data, just can lay it down on whatever device or media you wanted to, the main thing w/ that would just be.. try to limit what could play them |
| 03:13:24 | Crucio | maybe make it a format that normal SD cards cannot understand? |
| 03:13:25 | banshee | like right now w/ dvd's |
| 03:14:16 | banshee | noone would think that people would cp dvd's, but could be done just w/ dd in linux, and a dvd burner.. which for now is still way to expensive to be in any way profitable |
| 03:14:33 | Crucio | but it would all come down to being a lot harder to rip than a dvd or cd and would require a lot more time and money |
| 03:14:40 | banshee | the data would still be encrypted in the data stream, but could be setup to read as if it were a device |
| 03:15:06 | banshee | yea, possiblity would be like.. just less than sd |
| 03:15:25 | banshee | like screw around w/ like pin configuration somehow or that, so it would only work in a limited number of approved devices |
| 03:16:12 | banshee | unless, like you were saying before, set it up as a server.. which would up costs in overhead for development, and you'd need alot more hardware on those cards |
| 03:17:09 | banshee | but then it'd just be a matter of time till someone could rig something up to mimic an approved player connecting to it, having it play the a/v streams off it as if it were a player.. while its caching them or on the fly converting and dumping them to a file |
| 03:17:46 | Crucio | right? |
| 03:18:18 | banshee | ? |
| 03:18:35 | Crucio | ? |
| 03:18:39 | banshee | right? |
| 03:18:56 | Crucio | hehe what? |
| 03:19:14 | banshee | ? you said " right? " before the split to something i said |
| 03:21:43 | Crucio | ok |
| 03:21:43 | Crucio | <Crucio> maybe make it a format that normal SD cards cannot understand? |
| 03:21:43 | Crucio | <banshee> like right now w/ dvd's |
| 03:21:43 | Crucio | <banshee> noone would think that people would cp dvd's, but could be done just w/ dd in linux, and a dvd burner.. which for now is still way to expensive to be in any way profitable |
| 03:21:43 | Crucio | <Crucio> but it would all come down to being a lot harder to rip than a dvd or cd and would require a lot more time and money |
| 03:21:43 | Crucio | <Crucio> right? |
| 03:21:43 | Crucio | <Crucio> it takes minutes for me to rip a dvd. Im marketing this to the people who actually own the Ipaq, time pinching executives |
| 03:21:43 | Crucio | <Crucio> Most teens dont own an ipaq |
| 03:21:43 | Crucio | <Crucio> do u think it could work? |
| 03:21:56 | Crucio | ? |
| 03:22:19 | banshee | i didn't catch anything after the right? part b/c of the lag i'm getting here b/c my isp sucks |
| 03:22:42 | Crucio | i just pasted it |
| 03:23:01 | banshee | minutes to rip a dvd... ??@!?!?!? what, you got a dual 1.2's w/ a 32x dvd drive??!?!?!? |
| 03:23:09 | Crucio | ? |
| 03:23:10 | Crucio | no |
| 03:23:25 | Crucio | i dont mean encode to divx |
| 03:23:38 | Crucio | but it take about 20minutes to decrypt it |
| 03:23:43 | banshee | standard low motion mpeg+hyperzoom? |
| 03:24:32 | Crucio | it takes a long time to encode to divx |
| 03:24:34 | Crucio | like hours |
| 03:26:31 | banshee | considering i'm 19 and have an ipaq i'm minicom'd into right now.. might hold.. but the age thing isn't a complete guarantee... would buy it somewhat more time till the format is broken, its just.. gotta make the money w/in that time period and be ready to handle it being broken when it does to change it, increase encryption, or what have you |
| 03:27:47 | Crucio | i use nandub |
| 03:27:48 | Crucio | your slow :( |
| 03:28:18 | banshee | heh, would take an hour or two if a smp hacked avifile would come out, at least on like dual 1.1 machines |
| 03:29:47 | banshee | calls his isp again to bitch that they don't think people around here would be interested in anything faster than 33.6 |
| 03:30:12 | Crucio | i think i understand |
| 03:30:12 | Crucio | I know others are also trying to make this work and i would like to be first :) |
| 03:30:34 | Crucio | :) i have cable |
| 03:30:46 | banshee | i have to dial into a server 17 miles away just to get 56k |
| 03:30:52 | Crucio | :p |
| 03:30:57 | Crucio | thatsux |
| 03:31:02 | banshee | i can't even get satilite here b/c of the mountains |
| 03:31:23 | Crucio | thatsux |
| 03:31:44 | Crucio | I still think that i could get it to work |
| 03:31:51 | banshee | if i still had a job would have moved already, got a nice 40 minute drive every day |
| 03:32:04 | Crucio | I would move if i wasnt 16 :-p |
| 03:32:29 | Crucio | michigan is snowy and crappy |
| 03:33:32 | banshee | pennyslvannia is snowy, crappy, mountanious, and practically deserted since the mines closed in 55 |
| 03:33:55 | Crucio | hehe i lived in PA about 6 months ago :) |
| 03:34:03 | Crucio | i like it better than Michigan |
| 03:34:16 | Crucio | it was nice and mountainy i could actually sled |
| 03:34:17 | banshee | what county? |
| 03:34:23 | Crucio | MI is flat |
| 03:34:33 | Crucio | I lived in USC, upper st claire |
| 03:34:40 | Crucio | near bethel park |
| 03:34:43 | Ozymandis | Hey, it seems like they've changed the PCB several times on the usb cradles..what's the most definitive instructions currently for converting usb cradle to serial? |
| 03:34:48 | banshee | dude... know where newkirk is |
| 03:34:54 | banshee | near 209 |
| 03:34:58 | Crucio | nope |
| 03:35:12 | Crucio | Ive moved a lot i dont know where anything is anymore :( |
| 03:35:19 | Crucio | i used to live in CA |
| 03:35:27 | banshee | just realized he's giving like road directions to someone that prob wasn't even old enough to drive when he was here |
| 03:35:41 | Crucio | exactly :D |
| 03:35:52 | banshee | ok... ever hear of pottsville? |
| 03:35:59 | Crucio | i was near pittsburgh sortof if u dont know where USC is |
| 03:36:16 | banshee | i know there's a st. claire bout 20 minutes west of here |
| 03:36:22 | Crucio | pottsville? only at parties |
| 03:36:25 | Crucio | :) |
| 03:37:29 | sven | gn |
| 03:38:25 | Crucio | whtevr |
| 03:40:47 | banshee | ok... now that just pissed me off |
| 03:40:48 | Crucio | t 2 u l8r |
| 03:40:49 | Crucio | gn |
| 04:41:25 | Ozymandis | Cheap: hey, do you know anything about usb cradle modifications? |
| 04:43:02 | CheapEngineer | I've only seen the serial cradle mod somewhere to add USB; whaddya wanna do? |
| 04:43:30 | Ozymandis | I'm trying to add serial to the usb cradle |
| 04:44:14 | CheapEngineer | I never thought of that. I may have to sit down tomorrow and take 'em both apart and see what the difference is. |
| 04:44:31 | Ozymandis | I've seen a lot of descriptions of how to add usb to the serial. I've seen a few mentions of how to do the same for the usb cradle, but they're all very, very ambiguous and I can't figure out what I'm supposed to see |
| 04:45:10 | CheapEngineer | You know, the serial cradles are pretty cheap.... |
| 04:45:10 | Ozymandis | They talk about CON2, as if there's supposed to be a chip on the bottom (there is on the serial) but that chip isn't even there, so... |
| 04:45:37 | Ozymandis | Well, if I made this, I could have both at once ;) |
| 04:45:47 | CheapEngineer | Radio Shack is stocking Ipaq parts now. |
| 04:45:50 | CheapEngineer | Yea. |
| 04:45:52 | Ozymandis | What?? Seriously? |
| 04:45:58 | CheapEngineer | Yup. |
| 04:46:00 | Ozymandis | I didn't think radio shack carried this |
| 04:46:02 | Ozymandis | Oh... |
| 04:46:04 | Ozymandis | Hmmmm |
| 04:46:19 | Ozymandis | Including the ipaq? |
| 04:46:46 | CheapEngineer | It's in their new catalog, and my local tiny one has cradles, sleeves, and spare styli |
| 04:46:48 | Ozymandis | My local one doesn't...maybe I could drive a ways and find one that would though |
| 04:46:58 | Ozymandis | hmm |
| 04:47:07 | Ozymandis | Serial cradles? |
| 04:47:07 | Ozymandis | Cool |
| 04:47:10 | Ozymandis | How much are they there? |
| 04:47:26 | CheapEngineer | Dunno - lemme look |
| 04:47:27 | Ozymandis | Hmmm...thing is I already went out and bought this usb cradle for $50 :( |
| 04:47:35 | Ozymandis | I figured they'd charge the same for serial |
| 04:47:53 | Ozymandis | (that's expensive to me) :) |
| 04:48:00 | CheapEngineer | I think the serial is about 30-35 |
| 04:48:11 | CheapEngineer | But I'm trying radioshack.com to find out |
| 04:48:47 | CheapEngineer | has a 3635, and it came with a CF sleeve and a USB cradle |
| 04:48:50 | Ozymandis | not too bad |
| 04:48:59 | Ozymandis | So you bought a serial cradle? |
| 04:49:08 | CheapEngineer | Yea, Circuit City |
| 04:49:17 | Ozymandis | Oh, they had one? hmm |
| 04:49:19 | CheapEngineer | before RS started stocking the parts |
| 04:49:27 | Ozymandis | Ok, maybe I can find one around here then |
| 04:49:33 | Ozymandis | I'll have to drive an hour, but hey |
| 04:49:46 | CheapEngineer | I bought mine @ Circus City |
| 04:49:51 | Ozymandis | lol |
| 04:50:08 | Ozymandis | Hmmm, I wonder if I can close this cradle back up neatly and return it |
| 04:50:44 | CheapEngineer | I hate this website. Impossible to find *anything* |
| 04:51:11 | Ozymandis | Yeah, i know |
| 04:52:07 | CheapEngineer | http://www.radioshack.com/category.asp?catalog_name=COMPAQ&category_name=COMPAQ_009_000_000_000&Page=1 |
| 04:52:35 | CheapEngineer | They just list a few things and a CF sleeve.... |
| 04:52:43 | CheapEngineer | The print catalog has it, tho |
| 04:54:08 | Ozymandis | cool, thanks |
| 04:54:16 | CheapEngineer | no prob |
| 12:09:20 | speed-R | hi |
| 12:10:25 | beeblebrox | hi |
| 12:13:20 | speed-R | how can I make the usbnet module send a signal or something when the ipaq gets plugged to the usb cradle? |
| 12:13:55 | speed-R | i'd like not having to make a script which checks if usb0 exists every X secs |
| 15:13:55 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 16:34:58 | Oxyd | hello |
| 16:35:49 | Oxyd | anyone here ? |
| 16:49:23 | Kero | sort of |
| 16:49:27 | Kero | ... |
| 16:50:14 | EGg0 | is away: Going to glaze pottery while load root runs... |
| 18:11:45 | Zoiah | How can I force the C++ compiler to be used from the command-line with a environement variable? (Like you can do for C-stuff with export CC="arm-linux-gcc") |
| 18:13:33 | Kero | exactly the same way. |
| 18:14:05 | Kero | erm, you mean, which env-var... |
| 18:15:14 | Zoiah | Yeah. :D |
| 18:15:36 | Zoiah | may be stupid, but not that stupid. :) |
| 18:17:16 | Kero | sees he uses CC=g++ in his only Makefile for C++... |
| 18:17:31 | Zoiah | That's... odd. |
| 18:18:08 | Kero | yeah, I think I cheat somehow. I don't spell out $(CC), though. |
| 18:18:30 | Kero | my memories hint CXX |
| 18:18:43 | Zoiah | Yeah, my memory too... but that didn't work. :\ |
| 18:19:52 | Zoiah | I have CPP=arm-linux-c++ and CXX=arm-linux-g++ and CC=arm-linux-gcc |
| 18:20:02 | Zoiah | But configure only takes the CC stuff, and screws the CPP/CXX stuff. |
| 18:20:16 | Kero | would a .C.o: line be mandatory? `man make` doesn't give the default rules it has :( |
| 18:20:23 | Kero | CPP is C pre-processor |
| 18:21:04 | Kero | CPPFLAGS are for pre-proc, CFLAGS for the compiler |
| 18:21:10 | Zoiah | Oopsie. :) |
| 18:22:35 | Kero | doesn't know what configure does or should do with those compiler-suggestions... |
| 18:22:54 | Zoiah | Hahaha... I totally forgot I was stupid... I didn't remove the config.cache after adding the CXX environement variable. :D |
| 18:22:56 | Zoiah | CXX works. |
| 18:23:02 | Zoiah | Kero: it uses them. |
| 18:23:07 | Zoiah | checking whether the C compiler (arm-linux-gcc ) works... yes |
| 18:23:07 | Zoiah | checking whether the C compiler (arm-linux-gcc ) is a cross-compiler... yes |
| 18:23:14 | Zoiah | checking whether the C++ compiler (arm-linux-g++ ) works... yes |
| 18:23:14 | Zoiah | checking whether the C++ compiler (arm-linux-g++ ) is a cross-compiler... yes |
| 18:25:27 | Kero | :) |
| 18:26:30 | Zoiah | checking for integral type equal to pointer size... configure: error: can not run test program while cross compiling |
| 18:26:32 | Zoiah | Hmmz... fsck |
| 18:32:31 | Kero | *blergh* |
| 18:32:41 | Zoiah | Damn tests. :) |
| 18:32:42 | Kero | with proper headerfiles, that sould be possible! |
| 18:33:57 | Zoiah | How do I force a test? Just fsck around with the configure.in? |
| 18:40:25 | Zoiah | [root@lowjax dist]# autoconf |
| 18:40:25 | Zoiah | configure.in:346: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 18:40:25 | Zoiah | configure.in:401: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 18:40:25 | Zoiah | configure.in:422: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 18:40:29 | Zoiah | Damn hippies. |
| 18:40:34 | Zoiah | :D |
| 19:59:34 | EGg0 | is back (gone 03:09:20) |