| 01:27:34 | yargon | yo!!! i got a ipaq! |
| 01:28:24 | yargon | do i have to modify my cradle or can i somehow use it on my debian system? |
| 01:31:35 | jg | You need a serial cable for initial install. You can either buy one, or hack your USB cradle to do serial in addition. |
| 01:31:57 | yargon | and after that i can use the usb? |
| 01:32:11 | jg | Yes, we have USB networking running. |
| 01:32:17 | yargon | awesome!!! |
| 01:32:34 | yargon | i actually bought a serial cable... believe it or not... |
| 01:32:37 | yargon | damn what a waste |
| 01:32:50 | yargon | i didn't know i would only use it one time |
| 01:33:05 | jg | That's ok: much easier than hacking the serial cable, and useful when you need to talk to the bootloader. |
| 01:33:34 | yargon | i guess so |
| 01:33:40 | yargon | damn the machine is sooo cool |
| 01:33:44 | yargon | so compact |
| 01:34:28 | yargon | im thinking of maybe making a directfb interface for it using gtk+ on directfb |
| 01:34:40 | yargon | after i try the qtpalm stuff |
| 01:35:00 | jg | familiar comes with gtk already there, with X. |
| 01:35:09 | yargon | does anyone know if qtpalm supports alpha transparent windows? |
| 01:35:16 | jg | dunno. |
| 01:35:25 | yargon | jg: but X doesnt have alpha transparent support |
| 01:35:35 | jg | The X server supports the render extension: antialiased text and graphics. |
| 01:35:53 | yargon | jg: but no alphatransparent windows (aka transparent window protocol) |
| 01:36:04 | jg | yargon: not yet... |
| 01:36:27 | yargon | yah... thats the key word.. "notYet" (two words actually) |
| 01:36:42 | jg | it's on the list for the next year or so. |
| 01:36:54 | yargon | really? |
| 01:36:58 | yargon | dang, didn't know that |
| 01:37:00 | jg | Yup. |
| 01:37:07 | yargon | i thought we were going to have it in like 5 years |
| 01:37:18 | yargon | anyway, im going to use directfb for normal use pretty soon anyway |
| 01:37:24 | jg | Not if Keithp has anything to say about it :-). |
| 01:37:27 | yargon | cus you can modify most gtk programs to run on it |
| 01:37:45 | jg | And then they won't run across the net to your debian box. Boring... |
| 01:37:50 | yargon | actually any gtk 2.0 programs will run on it |
| 01:38:05 | yargon | huh? |
| 01:38:10 | yargon | you mean, remote X stuff? |
| 01:38:15 | jg | Yes. |
| 01:38:16 | yargon | well, there is vnc for directfb |
| 01:38:24 | jg | why bother? |
| 01:38:56 | jg | very few gtk2 programs yet. Maybe in 3-6 months... |
| 01:39:53 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:20:45) |
| 01:40:02 | yargon | yah, very few |
| 01:43:01 | noriko | is away: beingrb |
| 01:47:31 | yargon | jg: why bother? cus using directfb you have alpha transparent windows!!!! ALPHA transparent! |
| 01:47:59 | jg | Most of what you want is already in X render... (if you are clever). |
| 01:49:19 | yargon | jg: i looked in to render quite a bit actually, and there is no dynamic alpha transparent window support in it |
| 01:49:28 | yargon | jg: only static transparentcy |
| 01:50:09 | yargon | jg: you can do alpha transparent calculations inside of windows, but not with the whole window itself |
| 01:50:38 | jg | yargon: come now, you need to be more creative... If enlightement can drag around alpha blended windows all over the screen (in client code no less!), you can do better when you have server side rendering.... |
| 01:50:56 | yargon | jg: but that is fake transparency |
| 01:51:05 | yargon | jg: the whole screen stops while you are dragging... |
| 01:51:07 | jg | doesn't look fake to me... |
| 01:51:14 | yargon | jg: it's not dynamic |
| 01:51:30 | jg | yeah, so it stops while dragging... Big deal... |
| 01:51:36 | yargon | jg: if the content of the window beneath the transparent changes, you'll never know about it |
| 01:51:55 | yargon | jg: i know, but it's just that it's not real |
| 01:52:03 | yargon | with directfb, it's real |
| 01:52:05 | jg | don't get me wrong, alpha blended windows are fine stuff, just that isn't (particularly on a handheld device) what it takes to get most apps useable.... |
| 01:52:21 | yargon | jg: you are right |
| 01:52:32 | jg | When you play with xstroke, you will see a useful use of alpha blending... |
| 01:52:34 | yargon | jg: but i just cant resist alpha transparent windows :) |
| 01:52:49 | jg | we'll get there... |
| 01:52:55 | yargon | jg: ok, ill check that out |
| 01:53:29 | jg | it inks the strokes you make for input alpha blended, full screen... |
| 01:53:37 | yargon | jg: i want like a battery meter that is lightly blended over a corner, and fade-away windows and stuff like that |
| 01:53:55 | jg | as I said, we'll get there.... |
| 01:53:57 | yargon | jg: anyway, as you said, we'll get there someday |
| 01:54:13 | jg | not someday, my hope is in about a year... |
| 01:54:13 | yargon | ^_^ |
| 01:54:20 | yargon | dang... |
| 01:54:32 | yargon | by that time, we'll have 400Mhz arm processors and stuff like that |
| 01:54:39 | jg | yup. |
| 01:55:33 | yargon | anyway, i love my ipaq (eventhough its running some of MS's crap right now) |
| 01:55:53 | jg | It will take you an hour or so to fix that problem :-). |
| 01:56:23 | yargon | cool |
| 01:56:34 | yargon | need to do lots of research today |
| 01:57:17 | yargon | jg: do you use rsync? |
| 01:57:27 | jg | I haven't; many do. |
| 01:57:45 | yargon | jg: i c... |
| 01:58:10 | jg | Install familiar .5, per directions: a few nits, which is why it isn't "released", but it will serve you better than .4... |
| 01:58:53 | yargon | ahh... what kind of nits? |
| 01:59:38 | jg | menu button may evaporate on initial install; the next time you install anything with a menu defined, it will be fixed, stuff like that.... |
| 02:00:16 | yargon | dont have a clue what you are saying, but i''ll look in to it |
| 02:29:04 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 04:26:28 | yargon | a |
| 06:00:39 | yargon | ! |
| 06:00:54 | DragonEagle | b |
| 06:10:14 | yargon | At the 'boot>' prompt, type 'load bootldr', then start an xmodem download of the file bootldr-2.14.15. |
| 06:10:29 | yargon | i dont get it... how do you "star an xmodem download..."? |
| 06:30:02 | yargon | dang... funny... |
| 08:07:21 | debugger | anyone knows where i can get info about the new bootldr? |
| 08:07:43 | prh_ | the cvs sourcedcode seems to be about it |
| 08:08:41 | debugger | does it support multiboot between wince / linux? |
| 08:09:32 | prh_ | yes. |
| 08:10:16 | prh_ | it can boot Wince and you can boot intimate from wince - and it supports resume for linux so yes multiboot is now fully possible - it can't boot linux direct from CF/MD yet though |
| 08:11:13 | debugger | cool, so having a 32MB CF card means I can put linux on that and leave pocketpc in flash untouched |
| 08:11:32 | debugger | :( |
| 08:12:18 | debugger | intimate won't fit in 32MB :( and you mean familiar has not this feature |
| 08:12:24 | prh_ | basically -yes - though I don't know of anyone actually doing that yet. I might at some point |
| 08:12:48 | prh_ | not really but you could run a hacked familiar in 32MB quite happily. |
| 08:13:25 | prh_ | get a bigger cf! 128MBs are only 40 quid now. |
| 08:14:47 | debugger | I am just a few hundred killometers from afghanistan ;) |
| 08:15:37 | debugger | gold is cheaper than cf cards even if you find one, and they are worthless if you try to sell one |
| 08:16:03 | prh_ | awww! where are you? |
| 08:16:24 | debugger | in Pakistan |
| 08:16:50 | prh_ | crumbs. has the rioting stopped there yet? |
| 08:17:50 | debugger | yeah in the holy month everything calms down, but can't imagine what happens after it ends on 17th Dec |
| 08:36:18 | | debugger: i'm not following you... |
| 08:36:18 | debugger | ibot: dneur |
| 08:36:48 | | debugger: i'm not following you... |
| 08:36:48 | debugger | ibot: dneuer |
| 08:38:51 | | debugger: what? |
| 08:38:51 | debugger | ibot: dneur patch |
| 08:39:23 | debugger | arrgghhh what was that guy's name :( ??? |
| 08:48:13 | | debugger: i'm not following you... |
| 08:48:13 | debugger | ibot: dneuer patch |
| 09:03:38 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 06:34:33) |
| 10:06:32 | DragonEagle | is away: night |
| 10:06:51 | DragonEagle | is away: happy Thanksgiving everyone |
| 11:54:26 | AcidCrash | ibot: qpe |
| 11:54:33 | | qpe is at http://qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 11:54:33 | AcidCrash | ibot1: qpe |
| 13:55:46 | Azoth | ibot CF |
| 13:56:13 | yargon | ok, i just booted my ipaq with osloader and that .bin file |
| 13:56:13 | Azoth | hmm, can someone bring ibot in here again, please? :-) |
| 13:56:19 | | somebody said ipaq was a Strongarm based PDA with 206Mhz CPU and 32Mb RAM. http://www.compaq.com/products/handhelds/pocketpc/ and is also available in 64 meg version |
| 13:56:19 | Azoth | ibot1 ipaq |
| 13:56:26 | | Azoth: sorry... |
| 13:56:26 | Azoth | ibot1 cf |
| 13:56:28 | yargon | now how can i get minicom to talk to it with my serial cable? |
| 13:56:51 | Azoth | attach it to the correct serial port |
| 13:56:56 | yargon | done |
| 13:57:03 | Azoth | become root and do minicom -s |
| 13:57:09 | yargon | done |
| 13:57:11 | Azoth | set up minicom to use the crrect port |
| 13:57:24 | yargon | uh huh |
| 13:57:36 | Azoth | No go? |
| 13:57:47 | yargon | no go |
| 13:57:52 | Azoth | hm |
| 13:58:38 | Azoth | have you tried cu? |
| 13:58:42 | yargon | cu? |
| 13:58:44 | Azoth | cu -s 115200 -l /dev/ttyS0 |
| 13:58:49 | yargon | nope |
| 13:59:02 | Azoth | try and see if you can "see" the ipaq |
| 13:59:40 | yargon | oh man |
| 13:59:47 | yargon | i was trying the wrong device |
| 13:59:48 | yargon | sorry |
| 13:59:59 | Azoth | hehe, no problem |
| 14:01:28 | yargon | what does the command "load bootldr" do? |
| 14:01:48 | yargon | i dont get where what is going |
| 14:03:13 | yargon | i typed that, but now do i start the download? |
| 14:09:54 | yargon | dang.. i started the download, and nothing is happening |
| 14:10:13 | Azoth | you have to use xmodem transerfer within minicom |
| 14:10:39 | yargon | does it display any status while downloading? |
| 14:11:10 | yargon | nothing is happening |
| 14:11:39 | yargon | if i hit enter it says "aborted download failed! download error. aborting." |
| 14:11:50 | Azoth | wait |
| 14:12:01 | yargon | k |
| 14:12:38 | yargon | is anything supposed to be displayed while downloading a file? |
| 14:14:18 | yargon | Azoth : wait for what? |
| 14:14:37 | Azoth | I am discussing something with a colleagua here ... I am at work... ;-) |
| 14:14:44 | yargon | oh |
| 14:16:11 | yargon | can someone please tell me what is supposed to happen after i start to send the bootldr? |
| 14:16:13 | Azoth | Ok, do ctrl-a z, then S |
| 14:16:21 | yargon | Azoth : yup... doing that |
| 14:16:29 | yargon | then select xmodem |
| 14:16:31 | yargon | right? |
| 14:16:34 | Azoth | right |
| 14:16:38 | Azoth | then RTFM |
| 14:17:08 | yargon | is there any feedback that tells me that it's uploading? |
| 14:17:45 | Azoth | yes, when you've selected the file you want to upload, and started the upload there will be a little '.' one in awhile |
| 14:17:58 | Azoth | man minicom |
| 14:18:28 | yargon | ok |
| 14:19:16 | yargon | what does "If minicom starts to NAK repeatedly" mean? |
| 14:20:21 | Azoth | not acknowledge |
| 14:20:28 | yargon | oh.... |
| 14:20:59 | yargon | the cursor is jumping once and a while... normal? (sorry for being a pain...) |
| 14:22:37 | | well, compact flash is http://www.dpreview.com/news/0106/01062601pretec640mbcf.asp or http://www.compactflash.org/ or http://www.compactflash.org/faqs/faq.htm |
| 14:22:37 | Azoth | ibot1 compact flash |
| 14:22:58 | yargon | how long does downloading this normaly take? |
| 14:23:37 | Azoth | how large is the file? |
| 14:23:41 | Azoth | around 20-30 minutes |
| 14:23:53 | yargon | Azoth : huhkkk |
| 14:24:10 | yargon | Azoth : wiht usb it would take something like 3 seconds |
| 14:24:22 | yargon | is it because it's writing to the flash rom or something? |
| 14:24:42 | Azoth | yes, well ... usb have much larger transfer rate |
| 14:25:07 | yargon | Azoth : uh huh.... but with my palm it doesnt take that long to transfer stuff over serial |
| 14:25:17 | yargon | 200k file in 4 minutes or so |
| 14:25:32 | Azoth | right, now you're talking of files around 5-6 Mb |
| 14:25:50 | yargon | Azoth : no, im downloading the bootldr-2.14.15 |
| 14:25:56 | Azoth | ah |
| 14:26:11 | yargon | Azoth : is it supposed to take this long? |
| 14:26:11 | Azoth | well, that wouldn't take that long |
| 14:26:22 | Azoth | I'd say wait |
| 14:26:32 | yargon | Azoth : until? |
| 14:26:40 | yargon | right now the last message was |
| 14:26:51 | yargon | ready for xmodem download.. |
| 14:26:53 | Azoth | Do you have access to hyperterminal in a w2k box? |
| 14:27:04 | yargon | Azoth : nope |
| 14:27:20 | yargon | right now the cursor is jumping every 40 seconds or so |
| 14:28:03 | Azoth | hmm |
| 14:28:23 | Azoth | did you select the file you wanted to download? |
| 14:28:33 | yargon | yah, the bootldr file |
| 14:29:23 | Azoth | well, I am not sure what is going on. sorry |
| 14:29:41 | yargon | Azoth : can you tell me what normaly happens when you do a load bootldr? |
| 14:30:04 | yargon | the install howto just says "when done downloading..." |
| 14:30:41 | Azoth | It fininshes downloading, then it flashes the rom |
| 14:30:58 | yargon | ok |
| 14:31:04 | yargon | what is that other termial emulator? |
| 14:31:13 | yargon | i want to try the other thing |
| 14:31:16 | Azoth | cu? |
| 14:31:20 | yargon | ok |
| 14:31:37 | Azoth | It's just a talk program to the serial port, it has no such capabilities that I am aware of |
| 14:32:04 | yargon | Azoth : so the only program that will do xmodem is minicom? |
| 14:32:28 | Azoth | dunno, there must be others. I have only used hyperterminal for that purpose |
| 14:33:33 | yargon | damn it... what is going on? |
| 14:34:00 | Tangent | You can use TeraTerm(Windows) or Kermit(Unix) too |
| 14:34:17 | yargon | ok |
| 14:35:04 | Azoth | hmm, is there a upper limit on CF cards ... I have a 128 Mb that I cannot mount. I am assuming it is /dev/hda1 or something. Can anyone confirm? |
| 14:36:12 | mandor | Azoth: my 128Mb works fine |
| 14:36:19 | mandor | Azoth: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda |
| 14:36:28 | Azoth | ack |
| 14:36:47 | Azoth | weird. |
| 14:37:00 | Azoth | I didn't work in slot 2, but worked fine in slot 1 |
| 14:37:13 | Azoth | I hope it's not broken |
| 14:37:20 | Azoth | the slot, that is |
| 14:39:16 | Azoth | hm |
| 14:39:20 | mandor | :/ |
| 14:39:23 | Azoth | seems like it. |
| 14:39:42 | Azoth | I getting plenty of errormessages when booting with the cf in that slot, not in the other. Argh. |
| 14:40:01 | Azoth | that would also explain why I couldn't get a netcard to work yesterday. |
| 14:42:47 | mandor | :/ |
| 14:43:13 | Azoth | testing some more |
| 14:45:35 | Azoth | shit. yup. it's broken alright. dammit. |
| 14:48:42 | Azoth | puuuh! It works afterall! phew! |
| 14:49:13 | Azoth | Hehe, check it out: 64 bytes from 10.5.0.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=128 time=0.5 ms |
| 14:51:02 | yargon | local netowrk? |
| 14:54:13 | Azoth | yeah |
| 14:54:19 | Azoth | I got a network card in my iPAQ |
| 14:57:44 | yargon | i dont get it... with kermit, i connected, but then how do i start a file send while im connected? |
| 14:58:37 | Azoth | sorry, I have never used kermit |
| 15:01:51 | yargon | boot> load bootldr |
| 15:01:51 | yargon | loading flash region bootldr |
| 15:01:51 | yargon | using xmodem |
| 15:01:53 | yargon | ready for xmodem download.. |
| 15:02:10 | yargon | and then i selected the file using xmodem |
| 15:02:14 | yargon | and nothing happens |
| 15:02:30 | Tangent | yargon : Do you have lrxsz package installed |
| 15:02:38 | yargon | lrxsz? |
| 15:02:42 | Tangent | yargon : You should be able to type sz -x on the command line, and it should work |
| 15:03:00 | yargon | Tangent : it's not in my package db |
| 15:03:05 | Tangent | yargon : The debian package with the rz and sz commands is called lrzsz.. minicom uses these commands to transfer the files |
| 15:03:23 | Tangent | I presume that kermit uses them too |
| 15:03:25 | yargon | im using debian |
| 15:03:46 | yargon | oh |
| 15:03:49 | yargon | i didn't have them installed |
| 15:03:59 | Tangent | yargon : Nod.. that never helps ;) |
| 15:04:06 | yargon | ok |
| 15:04:30 | yargon | ouch |
| 15:04:38 | yargon | tons of NAK |
| 15:04:59 | yargon | ill do what it says in the howto page |
| 15:05:26 | Tangent | yargon : The NAK is becasue the iPAQ stopped waiting for the transfer to start before the PC started sending |
| 15:05:41 | yargon | i c |
| 15:06:03 | yargon | Wait for the second '.' to print, t |
| 15:06:08 | yargon | what is the second '.' ? |
| 15:07:22 | yargon | oh |
| 15:07:23 | yargon | i get it |
| 15:07:28 | yargon | its working now |
| 15:08:41 | yargon | YES!!! I WANT TO CRY |
| 15:08:47 | Azoth | *clap, clap, clap* |
| 15:08:48 | Azoth | :-) |
| 15:11:25 | yargon | now i have to install familiar |
| 15:14:02 | Azoth | good luck |
| 15:14:15 | yargon | thanks |
| 15:37:01 | yargon | dangok, so after i get familiar task-bootstrap.jffs2 loaded |
| 15:37:15 | yargon | how do i set it up to use my usb craddle for ppp? |
| 15:43:07 | yargon | heloo? |
| 15:45:04 | yargon | i dont want to use the damn serial!!! how can i use my usb cradle now that i have the base system installed? |
| 15:45:39 | Azoth | there are plenty of information on that on the net, ask nicely and you will have answers.... |
| 15:45:45 | | well, usb is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 15:45:45 | Azoth | ibot1 usb |
| 15:45:55 | Azoth | see? |
| 15:46:00 | yargon | oh... sorry... im getting a little carried away |
| 15:46:08 | Azoth | I noticed. |
| 15:56:34 | yargon | Azoth : do you have the usb modules for the ipaq for familiar0.4? |
| 15:57:37 | Azoth | sorry, I don't |
| 15:57:46 | yargon | ok |
| 16:02:36 | yargon | does anyone have that module comipled for this kernel? -> zImage-2.4.3-rmk2-np1 |
| 16:03:59 | yargon | you would think that this module would be built in to familiar |
| 16:07:23 | | Azoth: huh? |
| 16:07:23 | Azoth | ibot1 memory |
| 16:10:42 | yargon | why didn't they build that in to the kernel? |
| 16:12:16 | Azoth | yargon: on the ipaq do: insmod usb-eth |
| 16:12:53 | yargon | /lib/modules/2.4.3-rmk2-np1/kernel/arch/arm/mach-sa1100/usb-eth.o: unresolved symbol sp |
| 16:12:57 | yargon | tons of those |
| 16:13:17 | Azoth | *shrug* then I wouldn't know. I am using familiar v0.5 |
| 16:13:40 | yargon | doih |
| 16:13:48 | yargon | modprobe usb-eth worked |
| 16:13:52 | yargon | so it was bulit in... |
| 16:14:03 | Azoth | not into the kernel, but as a module |
| 16:14:07 | Azoth | didn't you read the docs? |
| 16:14:17 | yargon | docs for familiar? |
| 16:14:26 | yargon | i read the usb-cradle doc |
| 16:14:31 | Azoth | did you read this: |
| 16:14:36 | | hmmm... usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 16:14:36 | Azoth | ibot1 usbnet |
| 16:14:50 | Azoth | it says flat out how to do it... |
| 16:15:06 | yargon | yup |
| 16:15:18 | yargon | i just didn't know it was in the kernel included in familiar... |
| 16:16:19 | yargon | brb... guda boot my system |
| 16:16:37 | yargon | thanks man for all the help |
| 16:16:49 | Azoth | no prob |
| 16:16:51 | yargon | Azoth : btw |
| 16:16:57 | yargon | once the system is booted |
| 16:17:07 | Azoth | root |
| 16:17:17 | yargon | is there any way to connect without serial? |
| 16:17:30 | Azoth | yes ... with a network card. ;-) |
| 16:17:33 | yargon | i mean, cant i use the stylus or something? |
| 16:17:46 | yargon | (from the base install) |
| 16:18:26 | Azoth | you can, but I recommend installing QT-embedded ... qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 16:18:53 | yargon | Azoth : cool, i was going to do that |
| 16:19:02 | yargon | ayway, got to go boot |
| 16:24:07 | yargon | i have one problem |
| 16:24:21 | yargon | lets say i get my usb networking working |
| 16:24:30 | yargon | how do i connect..... |
| 16:24:36 | yargon | without my serial connection? |
| 16:24:51 | Tangent | yargon : ssh |
| 16:24:52 | yargon | uh... ssh |
| 16:25:01 | yargon | right... right... |
| 16:25:06 | yargon | stupid question... |
| 16:25:24 | Tangent | Only once you know the answer :) |
| 16:26:35 | Azoth | Hmm, dang ... qpe won't start. I must have done something wrong. |
| 16:26:40 | Azoth | oh, well. |
| 16:26:59 | yargon | echo 10 >/proc/scale |
| 16:27:03 | yargon | what does that do? |
| 16:27:14 | Tangent | yargon : Set the CPU speed to 206MHz |
| 16:27:28 | Tangent | yargon : /proc/scale is the scaling factor for the CPU clock |
| 16:27:41 | Tangent | yargon : 11=221MHZ, 12=235MHz |
| 16:27:41 | yargon | uh huh.... |
| 16:27:51 | yargon | cannot create /proc/scale: directory nonexistent |
| 16:28:08 | Tangent | yargon : Yeah... new way of doing it in new kernel |
| 16:29:51 | yargon | cool |
| 16:29:59 | yargon | now im talking with my ipaq using my cradle |
| 16:30:16 | yargon | Secure connection to 1.1.1.1 refused. |
| 16:30:17 | yargon | huk |
| 16:30:43 | yargon | i can't ssh it |
| 16:31:25 | yargon | why can this happen? |
| 16:32:09 | yargon | how can this happen? |
| 16:35:18 | yargon | hmm... ssh-keygen? |
| 16:35:37 | yargon | i want to know what happend to 16 megs of my ram |
| 16:35:57 | Azoth | the monster under your bed ate it... :-) |
| 16:36:05 | yargon | haha |
| 16:36:10 | yargon | right now df -h says |
| 16:36:23 | yargon | /dev/mtdblock/3 15360 6716 8644 44% / |
| 16:36:27 | yargon | ramfs 15464 184 15280 2% /mnt/ramfs |
| 16:36:52 | yargon | the /dev/mtdblock/3 is flash, right? |
| 16:36:59 | Azoth | yeah |
| 16:37:06 | yargon | and ramfs is my ram |
| 16:37:14 | yargon | so... |
| 16:37:20 | yargon | where did it go? |
| 16:37:24 | yargon | hmm... |
| 16:37:37 | Azoth | It's still there ... only 2% is used. |
| 16:37:59 | yargon | but i have 32 megs on my system |
| 16:38:15 | Azoth | ah |
| 16:38:58 | Azoth | I am more interested to know why I cannot get qpe to start on my system, sorry ... :-) |
| 16:39:13 | yargon | i understand... |
| 16:39:57 | yargon | ifconfig usb0 1.1.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:40:04 | yargon | that only wokred one time on my pc |
| 16:40:12 | yargon | now it wont initialize the interface again |
| 16:42:22 | Azoth | have you loaded the modules? |
| 16:42:29 | yargon | i built it in the kernel |
| 16:42:36 | Azoth | you are sure? |
| 16:42:40 | yargon | yup |
| 16:42:41 | yargon | it was working |
| 16:42:48 | yargon | but then i unpluged the ipaq |
| 16:42:57 | Azoth | well, try modprobe usb-net on your host and try again |
| 16:42:58 | yargon | and then the interface dissappeared |
| 16:43:27 | yargon | so anything written to the /dev/mtdblock/3 is permennt, right? |
| 16:43:30 | Tangent | You want to add the usb0 interface into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:43:41 | Tangent | Then the usb0 will be autoconfigured each time you connect the iPAQ |
| 16:43:45 | yargon | Tangent : cool |
| 16:44:05 | yargon | auto eth0 |
| 16:44:11 | yargon | add usb0 there too? |
| 16:44:29 | Tangent | yargon : Copy the whole entry for eth0.. 6 lines or so |
| 16:44:38 | Tangent | yargon : then modify it for your usb0 settings |
| 16:44:43 | yargon | ok |
| 16:45:21 | Azoth | hm |
| 16:46:42 | yargon | gateway on a 1:1 connection? |
| 16:46:45 | yargon | what should it be? |
| 16:47:06 | Azoth | the host |
| 16:47:12 | Azoth | then you need to enable ip-forwarding |
| 16:47:18 | yargon | what about on the host? |
| 16:47:36 | Azoth | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 16:47:58 | Azoth | the host would have to use the gateway assigned from the dial/LAN/whatever connection |
| 16:48:50 | yargon | dang... my notebook is behind my desktop which masquerades already |
| 16:48:59 | Azoth | so |
| 16:49:01 | Azoth | no matter |
| 16:49:03 | yargon | so my notebook is goign to have to masquerade for my ipaq |
| 16:49:17 | yargon | and my desktop is going to masquerade for my notebook |
| 16:49:25 | yargon | hm... |
| 16:49:26 | Azoth | no, it would not have to do that, if you use the same net for the notebook and the ipaq |
| 16:49:40 | prh | you can cascade masq's... no problem :O) |
| 16:49:50 | yargon | how? two interfaces can be on the same network? |
| 16:49:55 | yargon | (on the same computer) |
| 16:50:12 | yargon | what is cascade masqing? |
| 16:50:13 | Azoth | of course |
| 16:53:40 | yargon | so.... what is cascade masquing? |
| 16:54:21 | prh | masq'ing a connection that is already masq'ing for others - each layer knows nothing about previous layers afterall |
| 16:54:31 | yargon | oh... |
| 16:54:47 | yargon | i get it... |
| 16:55:22 | yargon | so i have to add all that netwhatever stuff to my kernel |
| 16:55:51 | yargon | netfilter |
| 17:00:49 | yargon | here we go... |
| 17:09:01 | yargon | sshd isnt running because it doesnt have the keys |
| 17:16:07 | yargon | dang |
| 17:16:20 | bipolar_ | yargon: ? |
| 17:16:37 | yargon | the usb-eth device on my host doesnt start |
| 17:16:52 | yargon | after i unplug the ipaq and plug it back in |
| 17:17:01 | bipolar_ | yargon: you don't use usb-eth on the host. |
| 17:17:13 | yargon | bipolar_ : whatever it is.... ^_^ |
| 17:17:20 | bipolar_ | yargon: usbnet? |
| 17:17:23 | yargon | yup |
| 17:17:24 | yargon | thats it |
| 17:17:27 | bipolar_ | ok... ;) |
| 17:17:32 | yargon | i built it in my kernel |
| 17:17:39 | bipolar_ | yikes! |
| 17:17:44 | yargon | yeiks? |
| 17:18:02 | bipolar_ | You should use it as a module. |
| 17:18:07 | yargon | whys that? |
| 17:19:06 | bipolar_ | yargon: becouse sometimes the only way to reset it is to unload and reload the module. |
| 17:19:15 | yargon | ok |
| 17:19:22 | yargon | rebuilding kernel right now |
| 17:22:01 | yargon | is about to reboot |
| 17:24:25 | yargon | hmm... not working... |
| 17:24:40 | bipolar_ | yargon: Did you unload the module from the ipaq and host? |
| 17:25:05 | yargon | not from the ipaq.... thats working fine |
| 17:25:30 | yargon | but on the host, yup |
| 17:26:22 | yargon | hmm... |
| 17:26:24 | yargon | no luck |
| 17:26:50 | yargon | hub.c: get_port_status(2) failed (err = -84) |
| 17:26:58 | bipolar_ | yargon: you need to unload the module from the iPaq. |
| 17:26:59 | yargon | i get a few of those in my logs |
| 17:27:13 | bipolar_ | start from scratch. |
| 17:27:21 | yargon | bipolar_ : hmm.... ok |
| 17:27:26 | bipolar_ | unload everything first |
| 17:27:28 | yargon | but the ipaq side is fine.... |
| 17:27:35 | bipolar_ | then unplug the usb cable |
| 17:27:40 | yargon | ok |
| 17:27:53 | yargon | unplugged |
| 17:27:58 | bipolar_ | then: 'modprobe usb-eth' on the ipaq |
| 17:28:08 | bipolar_ | and: 'modprobe usbnet' on the host |
| 17:28:18 | bipolar_ | then plug the iPaq in |
| 17:28:37 | bipolar_ | then you should be able to configure the interfaces |
| 17:28:47 | bipolar_ | needs to get his cradle... |
| 17:32:23 | Azoth | dang, anyonce successfull in making a symling from /opt to /usr/local/opt where /usr/local is mounted on a CF card. |
| 17:32:31 | Azoth | s/symling/synlink |
| 17:33:00 | Azoth | I have the symlink, but I am wondering if the CF card is too late in mounting the systems so I won't boot programs on that disk |
| 17:33:15 | Azoth | extremely frustrating |
| 17:34:16 | Azoth | I am trying to install qpe on the /usr/local that is on the cf card ... |
| 17:34:19 | Azoth | oh, well. |
| 17:42:15 | bipolar_ | re.. |
| 17:42:47 | bipolar_ | Azoth: Try putting a mount line in /linuxrc |
| 17:43:09 | Azoth | Hmm, it is mounted at boot time ... that's the weirdest thing |
| 17:43:29 | Azoth | but, qpe which is installed in /usr/local/opt wont start |
| 17:43:29 | bipolar_ | yargon: sucsess? |
| 17:43:29 | yargon | doih... |
| 17:43:37 | yargon | well |
| 17:43:41 | yargon | i can ssh my ipaq |
| 17:43:46 | bipolar_ | cool |
| 17:44:02 | bipolar_ | Then USB networking is up |
| 17:44:02 | yargon | but for some reason i cant get my notebook to masquerade |
| 17:44:07 | yargon | yup |
| 17:44:08 | bipolar_ | yargon: ipchains? |
| 17:44:13 | yargon | um |
| 17:44:19 | yargon | netfilter |
| 17:44:23 | yargon | im using debian |
| 17:44:29 | yargon | and installed ipmasq |
| 17:44:34 | bipolar_ | I don't know netfilter :p |
| 17:44:40 | yargon | enither do i |
| 17:44:44 | bipolar_ | lol |
| 17:44:51 | bipolar_ | does it have ipchains? |
| 17:45:08 | yargon | i dont think so |
| 17:45:21 | Azoth | try ipchains -L |
| 17:45:28 | Azoth | see what it says... |
| 17:45:34 | yargon | ipchains: Incompatible with this kernel |
| 17:45:47 | Azoth | the easiest would probably to assing your ipaq the same network as your notebook |
| 17:45:58 | Azoth | so, if you notebook have 10.5.0.45 |
| 17:46:06 | bipolar_ | yargon: modprobe ipchains |
| 17:46:09 | Azoth | give your ipaq 10.5.0.46 |
| 17:46:20 | Azoth | then you won't have to do another masq for the ipaq |
| 17:46:26 | Azoth | that's how I have set it up here. |
| 17:46:40 | yargon | Azoth : i dont understand how that will work |
| 17:46:50 | yargon | because the ipaq is connected directly with my notebook |
| 17:47:00 | yargon | and my notebook is connected to my home network |
| 17:47:01 | Azoth | in my /etc/ppp/peers/ipaq file |
| 17:47:08 | Azoth | I got 10.5.0.55:10.5.0.56 |
| 17:47:25 | Azoth | when I initiate a ppp connection the the ipaq |
| 17:47:37 | yargon | oh... ppp |
| 17:47:38 | Azoth | my notebook gets 10.5.0.55 and the ipaq 10.5.0.55 |
| 17:47:56 | Azoth | urh, how are you connecting to the ipaq? |
| 17:47:59 | yargon | but im using usb |
| 17:48:13 | yargon | usbnet |
| 17:48:16 | Azoth | hmm ... right. doh |
| 17:48:18 | yargon | usb-eth |
| 17:48:48 | Azoth | well, you could assing the usb0 interface on your machine an ip address in the same range as your eth0 interface on your notebook |
| 17:49:17 | Azoth | at least if I am understanding your problem correctly. but I might not do that. :-) |
| 17:49:38 | bipolar_ | yargon: you should be able to load the ipchains module |
| 17:49:54 | yargon | bipolar_ : im running 2.4.14... you sure? |
| 17:49:59 | bipolar_ | yargon: yes |
| 17:50:14 | yargon | bipolar_ : i think it's built in |
| 17:50:23 | yargon | bipolar_ : i just bulit in all the netfilter stuff |
| 17:50:35 | bipolar_ | yargon: I see... You shoudl have used modules... :) |
| 17:50:50 | bipolar_ | yargon: ipchains is included w/ 2.4.x |
| 17:50:57 | yargon | i c... |
| 17:51:19 | bipolar_ | yargon: but you need to chose between ipfilter adn ipchains. You can build *both* as modules. |
| 17:51:39 | yargon | uh huh |
| 17:52:26 | bipolar_ | yargon: then you can use either one just by loading the module. |
| 17:53:19 | yargon | my ipmasq script doesnt pick up usb0 as a network device |
| 17:53:22 | yargon | thats the problem |
| 17:53:26 | yargon | afaik |
| 17:54:02 | yargon | Tangent : you did you set up ipmasq on your system? |
| 17:54:28 | Tangent | yargon : No.. I use proxy_arp instead, as I have a real IP address availabe for my iPAQ on my LAN |
| 17:54:50 | yargon | proxy_arp? what is that? |
| 17:55:28 | bipolar_ | Tangent: I've got a linksys router that runs a DHCP server. Could I use proxy_arp to have the iPaq get it's info from the linksys? |
| 17:55:36 | Tangent | yargon : Means that the host PC will transparently pass ARP requests across to the iPAQ... This makes it appear as if the iPAQ is located directly on the ethernet that the host is connected to |
| 17:55:49 | bipolar_ | I have zero experince w/ proxy_arp |
| 17:56:08 | yargon | Tangent : how can i set that up myself? |
| 17:56:17 | Tangent | bipolar_ : If you're running a LAN with a default gateway (as opposed to a single PC with dial-up), then proxy_arp is for you |
| 17:56:27 | bipolar_ | Tangent: thats me |
| 17:56:34 | yargon | mee too |
| 17:56:39 | bipolar_ | Tangent: is there a howto or something? |
| 17:57:13 | Tangent | bipolar_ : It's something like the following... (Host PC in windows right now, so can't be 100%) |
| 17:57:24 | Tangent | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ip_forward |
| 17:57:35 | Tangent | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/interfaces/all/proxy_arp |
| 17:57:37 | Tangent | That's it |
| 17:57:57 | yargon | and how do i configure my usb0 on the host and usbf on the ipaq? |
| 17:58:02 | Tangent | Then just set up your iPAQ's IP, subnet mask and default gateway just like any other machine on the LAN |
| 17:58:08 | yargon | ok |
| 17:58:10 | bipolar_ | yargon: ipconfigure |
| 17:58:18 | Tangent | ifconfig |
| 17:58:22 | bipolar_ | yargon: er... ipconfig |
| 17:58:31 | yargon | Tangent : and then, whatabout the host usb ip? |
| 17:58:32 | Tangent | bipolar_ : ipconfig is WindowsNT/2000 |
| 17:58:51 | Tangent | yargon : Again... you can use ifconfig once the link is up |
| 17:58:52 | bipolar_ | Tangent: and I don't run windows... *sigh* |
| 17:58:57 | yargon | should that have it's own ip? or the same as the ethernet? |
| 17:59:09 | Tangent | yargon : Or you can put it in /etc/network/interfaces (on debian) to make it automagic |
| 17:59:16 | bipolar_ | Tangent: that MS marketing dept must be really good... |
| 17:59:39 | yargon | Tangent : so, what should the ip on the host usb0 be? |
| 17:59:50 | Tangent | yargon : It should have it's own IP... for example... my ipaq is 192.168.254.11.. my host PC is 192.168.254.1 .. my default gateway is 192.168.254.254 |
| 18:00:05 | Tangent | yargon : I use the same IP for USB0 as I do for eth0 |
| 18:00:21 | Tangent | yargon : It doesn't cause routing problems as long as the interfaces come up in the right order. |
| 18:00:27 | yargon | uh huh... |
| 18:00:44 | yargon | so how does the ipaq know to route stuff through 192.168.254.1? |
| 18:00:58 | Tangent | yargon : That's what proxy_arp does for us... |
| 18:01:02 | yargon | ok |
| 18:01:11 | Tangent | yargon : To get from an IP address to a MAC address, we use ARP |
| 18:01:37 | Tangent | yargon : Say the iPAQ want's to know where a machine is located.. it sends out an arp_whohas <ip_address> |
| 18:02:03 | Tangent | and it will get back an arp_ihave <address> from the machine with the addres... now it's got the MAC address for that machine |
| 18:02:24 | Tangent | yargon : Proxy_arp will intercept the requests and replies and swtich mach addresses |
| 18:02:41 | Tangent | yargon : So the ipaq sends it to the host... and the host actually makes the request on the network... |
| 18:02:52 | yargon | uh huh.... interesting... |
| 18:03:00 | yargon | so, what do i need compiled in my kernel? |
| 18:03:02 | Tangent | yargon : the host receives the reply, but then sends the packet onto the iPAQ using it's own mac address |
| 18:03:43 | Tangent | yargon : When the iPAQ next tries to send a packet, the host will recieve a packet with it's MAC address, but someone else's IP address... so like any good router, it'll just route it to it's destination |
| 18:04:10 | yargon | nice... nice... |
| 18:04:13 | bipolar_ | Akk... This bootstrap does not have ipkg. |
| 18:04:25 | Tangent | yargon : The replies from the lan will be delivered to the iPAQ's IP address, but with the host's MAC address... so again, the host will just route them through |
| 18:04:28 | yargon | that's pretty cool |
| 18:04:41 | yargon | wow |
| 18:04:51 | yargon | very smart.... |
| 18:05:13 | yargon | what do i need in my kernel to enable this? |
| 18:05:29 | yargon | proxy_arp |
| 18:05:35 | Tangent | yargon : You probably have all that you need by default... have a look in /proc/sys/net |
| 18:05:58 | Tangent | yargon : If you have a node there called ip_forward... then that's one part |
| 18:06:02 | yargon | right now ihave all netfilter in my kernel, so it is possible that it is there because of that |
| 18:06:33 | Tangent | yargon : Chances are 90/10 that it's already all there... you'd have had to switch it off intentionally I think |
| 18:06:36 | yargon | nope... its not there |
| 18:06:56 | Tangent | yargon : Hrm... OK... well we want ip routing |
| 18:06:59 | yargon | 802 |
| 18:06:59 | yargon | core |
| 18:06:59 | yargon | ethernet |
| 18:07:00 | yargon | ipv4 |
| 18:07:00 | yargon | unix |
| 18:07:08 | Tangent | yargon : cd ipv4 |
| 18:07:12 | Tangent | my mistabke |
| 18:07:53 | yargon | ok... i found ip_forward... |
| 18:08:01 | yargon | where is proxy_arp at? |
| 18:08:39 | Tangent | yargon : ls conf/all |
| 18:10:12 | yargon | i c it... |
| 18:10:15 | yargon | ok |
| 18:10:46 | yargon | i dont know what to select/dselect in my kernel |
| 18:11:09 | Tangent | yargon : You want to get the usbnet module? |
| 18:11:24 | yargon | yup |
| 18:11:38 | Tangent | yargon : What kernel are you using? |
| 18:11:43 | yargon | 2.4.14 |
| 18:12:10 | yargon | just enable everything in netfileter? |
| 18:12:14 | yargon | filter? |
| 18:12:28 | Tangent | yargon : Hrm... not 100% sure it's in there... I always use -ac patched kernels... If it's there... you'll need to turn experimental drivers on, and it's listed under USB as USB-USB Network Link |
| 18:12:43 | yargon | oh... |
| 18:13:06 | yargon | oh |
| 18:13:07 | yargon | i have that |
| 18:13:13 | yargon | i meant for proxy_arp |
| 18:14:46 | Tangent | yargon : You said you already had it there in /proc .. i.e it's already part of your kernel |
| 18:14:54 | yargon | yah... ok |
| 18:15:34 | Tangent | yargon : I think you need 'TCP/IP networking' turned on to make that appear :) |
| 18:15:42 | yargon | ok |
| 18:15:51 | yargon | then i can get rid of all that netfilter stuff... right |
| 18:15:52 | yargon | ? |
| 18:16:26 | Tangent | yargon : Netfilter stuff is firewall... won't affect this |
| 18:19:17 | yargon | so, how do i connect to my ipaq that has the same ip as my usb0? |
| 18:19:40 | Tangent | yargon : 1.) Load the modules on both sides |
| 18:19:48 | Tangent | yargon : 2.) connect them together |
| 18:20:10 | Tangent | yargon : 3.) ifconfig the usb0 interface on the host to have the same IP address & subnet as the eth0 interface |
| 18:20:28 | Tangent | yargon : 4.) ifconfig the usbf interface on the iPAQ to be 'just another machine on the lan' |
| 18:20:38 | Tangent | 5.) Make sure you can ping from one to the other |
| 18:21:05 | Tangent | 6. ) echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp |
| 18:21:16 | Tangent | 7. ) Try pinging something on the lan from the iPAQ |
| 18:22:10 | Tangent | 8.) Maybe required before step 4... maybe not... route add <IP od Ipaq> usb0 |
| 18:22:25 | Tangent | s/IP od Ipaq/IP of iPAQ/ |
| 18:23:20 | Tangent | yargon : How far did we get before your client died? |
| 18:23:29 | yargon | um... |
| 18:23:43 | yargon | i configured my host to have 2 network devices that have the same ip |
| 18:23:50 | yargon | and my ipaq to have another address on the same network |
| 18:23:58 | yargon | but i can't ping my ipaq |
| 18:24:00 | Tangent | 5.) Make sure you can ping from one to the other |
| 18:24:02 | Tangent | 8.) Maybe required before step 4... maybe not... route add <IP od Ipaq> usb0 |
| 18:24:05 | yargon | so i connected the serial conncetion |
| 18:24:10 | Tangent | 6. ) echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp |
| 18:24:13 | Tangent | 7. ) Try pinging something on the lan from the iPAQ |
| 18:24:40 | Tangent | erm.. 8 may be required before 5.. not 4 as it says there |
| 18:24:49 | yargon | haha |
| 18:25:26 | yargon | hmm... |
| 18:27:29 | yargon | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:41:34 | yargon | damn |
| 18:41:39 | yargon | i always get disconnected |
| 18:42:27 | bipolar_ | Tangent: What about pump? Should that work? |
| 18:42:32 | yargon | pump? |
| 18:42:44 | bipolar_ | dhcp client |
| 18:43:02 | Tangent | yargon : Erm.. don't think so... unless the usb host machine is the dhcp server... and even then, I'm not sure it'd work |
| 18:43:09 | yargon | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 18:43:23 | yargon | i dont have anyting in the route table |
| 18:43:35 | yargon | and when i try to add thet default gw, it gives me that |
| 18:43:47 | Tangent | yargon : How are you interfaces configured? |
| 18:43:55 | yargon | lo and usbf |
| 18:43:59 | yargon | usbf is 192.168.0.4 |
| 18:44:06 | yargon | and it's running |
| 18:44:07 | Tangent | yargon : The message implies that you're pointing to a gateway that's not locally attached to your machine |
| 18:44:26 | yargon | funny |
| 18:44:29 | Tangent | yargon : netmask and gateway address? |
| 18:44:38 | yargon | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:44:42 | yargon | gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:45:00 | Tangent | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 should work then |
| 18:45:02 | yargon | i shouldnt' have deleted everything from the table... |
| 18:45:09 | yargon | it doesnt.... |
| 18:45:22 | yargon | # route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:45:23 | yargon | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 18:45:35 | yargon | reboot the machine? |
| 18:45:42 | Tangent | yargon : no need |
| 18:45:55 | Tangent | yargon : ifconfig usbf down && ifconfig usbf 192.168.0.4 up |
| 18:46:05 | yargon | ok |
| 18:46:08 | Tangent | yargon : Should restore the stuff in the routing table |
| 18:47:47 | yargon | ok |
| 18:47:53 | yargon | i have my basic table back |
| 18:47:58 | yargon | (i think) |
| 18:48:39 | Tangent | OK.. the route add default gw 192.168.0.1 should work now |
| 18:48:56 | bipolar_ | ok... I've got proxy_arp up and running now. |
| 18:49:07 | Tangent | bipolar_ : Cool :) |
| 18:49:12 | bipolar_ | I wish that pump would have worked though. |
| 18:49:22 | yargon | Tangent : when i plug in the device, the interfaces arnt' configured automatilcy... is that normal? |
| 18:49:57 | Tangent | yargon : The only interfaces that are configured automatically are the ones listed in /etc/network/interfaces ... with an auto line |
| 18:50:22 | yargon | i have it there... |
| 18:50:46 | Tangent | You should have 6 or so lines for it... starting with auto usbf as the first line |
| 18:52:08 | Tangent | auto usb0 |
| 18:52:09 | Tangent | iface usb0 inet static |
| 18:52:10 | Tangent | address 192.168.0.4 |
| 18:52:11 | Tangent | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:52:12 | Tangent | network 192.168.0.0 |
| 18:52:12 | Tangent | broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 18:52:14 | Tangent | gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:52:22 | Tangent | erm that should be usbf |
| 18:52:43 | Tangent | on the iPAQ end |
| 18:52:47 | bipolar_ | I sure hope all these CVS QPE ipks work... :) |
| 18:53:19 | bipolar_ | thare he goes again... |
| 18:54:47 | Tangent | Kinda wonder if it's worth him bothering with networking when it's that unreliable ;) |
| 18:57:13 | bipolar_ | heh |
| 19:00:04 | yargon | i figured out why my internet kept on getting cut off |
| 19:00:11 | yargon | gateway for usb0 shouldn't be set |
| 19:01:27 | yargon | but still can't figure out why my ipaq can't talk past the masq server |
| 19:02:04 | yargon | hello? |
| 19:12:47 | yargon | ok |
| 19:12:50 | yargon | x is installed |
| 19:12:52 | yargon | whats next? |
| 19:19:55 | yargon | can someone please tell me of a decent desktop to use with X? |
| 19:33:33 | bipolar_ | yargon: None of them are decent IMHO |
| 19:33:39 | bipolar_ | yargon: they all need work |
| 19:34:01 | bipolar_ | yargon: it looks like most of the development is heading tword ion |
| 19:34:24 | yargon | bipolar_ : well, you know how to install qtpalmtalp? |
| 19:34:30 | bipolar_ | yargon: yes |
| 19:34:40 | yargon | bipolar_ : cool, are there any docs around? |
| 19:36:50 | yargon | how much space will it take up? |
| 19:37:21 | bipolar_ | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 19:37:21 | bipolar_ | /dev/mtdblock/1 16M 11M 5.1M 68% / |
| 19:37:30 | yargon | cool |
| 19:37:36 | bipolar_ | I need to reinstall though... :) |
| 19:37:44 | yargon | how can i remove all the x stuff i installed? |
| 19:37:50 | yargon | reinstall? |
| 19:37:54 | bipolar_ | I've got a feed with the latest CVS version. |
| 19:38:20 | bipolar_ | yargon: ipkg remove task-familiar-complete? |
| 19:38:41 | yargon | nope |
| 19:38:50 | bipolar_ | I'm just going to reflash the root image. |
| 19:39:04 | yargon | huh? |
| 19:39:36 | bipolar_ | yargon: I'm going to reflash task-bootstrap.jffs2 |
| 19:39:45 | bipolar_ | in the bootldr |
| 19:39:46 | yargon | ooohhh |
| 19:39:53 | yargon | so you get a fresh system? |
| 19:39:59 | bipolar_ | it takes a while, but I need to retest my feed |
| 19:40:04 | bipolar_ | yes |
| 19:40:08 | yargon | i c.... |
| 19:40:16 | yargon | about thet /dev/mtdblock/ |
| 19:40:19 | yargon | if you write to it |
| 19:40:29 | yargon | it stays there even if you turn the power off |
| 19:40:31 | yargon | hard off |
| 19:40:40 | yargon | right? |
| 19:41:45 | bipolar_ | uh... I don't quite understand your question. |
| 19:42:10 | yargon | /dev/mtdblock is the flash, right? |
| 19:42:13 | bipolar_ | yes |
| 19:42:16 | yargon | ok |
| 19:42:36 | yargon | so 16 megs is used as a ram disk and 16 is used for the system? |
| 19:42:54 | yargon | is that how it works? |
| 19:43:14 | bipolar_ | yargon: The ramdisk automaticly resizes itself to hold what you want it to. |
| 19:43:27 | yargon | bipolar_ : cool |
| 19:43:30 | yargon | didn't know that |
| 19:43:35 | bipolar_ | :) |
| 19:44:01 | bipolar_ | wishes that reflashing was faster... |
| 19:47:09 | yargon | man |
| 19:47:15 | yargon | dependencies are really messed up |
| 19:47:32 | yargon | i cant even run rxvt |
| 19:53:33 | bipolar_ | yargon: it's easier to start over. :) |
| 19:54:27 | yargon | bipolar_ : what wm is there in familiar-common? |
| 19:54:57 | bipolar_ | yargon: I'm not sure. The last time I tried familar .5 I had to install the WM manualy. |
| 19:55:09 | bipolar_ | it was quite goofy |
| 19:57:09 | yargon | all i can find is blackbox |
| 20:03:07 | yargon | no space left for music! |
| 20:06:59 | bipolar_ | WTF! |
| 20:07:06 | bipolar_ | kg_install_file: ERROR: File //tmp/ipkg/qpe-pics_1.5.0-3_arm.ipk not found |
| 20:07:06 | bipolar_ | ipkg_get_install: ERROR: Failed to install //tmp/ipkg/qpe-pics_1.5.0-3_arm.ipk |
| 20:07:06 | bipolar_ | ipkg_get_install: I'll leave it there for you to try a manual installation |
| 20:07:56 | DragonEagle | bp! |
| 20:08:26 | bipolar_ | DragonEagle! |
| 20:08:37 | DragonEagle | happy thanksgiving |
| 20:08:55 | bipolar_ | DragonEagle: I'm enjoying my Vacation. :) |
| 20:09:06 | yargon | bipolar_ : where can i download qte? |
| 20:09:32 | bipolar_ | yargon: I'm trying to test my feed but my ipaq is goofing me up. |
| 20:09:42 | bipolar_ | yargon: you'll be able to get it from there |
| 20:10:07 | bipolar_ | DragonEagle: I've compiled the latest QPE from CVS and it's siting in my feed |
| 20:10:08 | yargon | from there? |
| 20:10:15 | yargon | feed? |
| 20:10:18 | bipolar_ | http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/dist/feed |
| 20:12:00 | yargon | bipolar_ : so add this to ipkg.conf? |
| 20:16:27 | bipolar_ | yargon: yes. |
| 20:18:33 | bipolar_ | yargon: add the line; |
| 20:18:47 | bipolar_ | src bipolar-feed http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/dist/feed |
| 20:18:53 | bipolar_ | to ipkg.conf |
| 20:20:40 | bipolar_ | yargon: are you going to install qpe? |
| 20:24:35 | yargon | bipolar_ : well, tomorrow... not today |
| 20:24:57 | yargon | bipolar_ : what should i call the package? |
| 20:25:24 | bipolar_ | yargon: what do you mean? |
| 20:26:05 | yargon | when i do a ipkg install |
| 20:26:10 | yargon | what is the package name? |
| 20:26:44 | bipolar_ | yargon: first, 'ipkg install qpe-qipkg' |
| 20:27:01 | bipolar_ | yargon: then run '/etc/init.d/qpe start' |
| 20:27:02 | yargon | uh huh |
| 20:27:18 | bipolar_ | yargon: then you can run the package manager to install the other apps you want. |
| 20:27:19 | yargon | ok |
| 20:27:26 | yargon | ok |
| 20:27:34 | yargon | (im writing it down for tomorrow) |
| 20:30:58 | yargon | im out of here... thanks for all the help everyone |
| 20:40:34 | aixdude | hi all |
| 22:24:29 | Orcawolf | hello |
| 22:47:33 | DragonEagle | is away: happy Thanksgiving, everybody! |
| 22:47:51 | DragonEagle | is away: getting ready for turkey |