| 00:06:33 | sgodsell | is away: I have to go! |
| 01:36:38 | On3 | knock knock again |
| 01:40:11 | On3 | anyone have an imap client for qpe? |
| 01:45:57 | On3 | ping 255.255.255.255 |
| 02:04:33 | CheapEngi | waves to Disconnect |
| 04:36:39 | DozingDragon | is away: Sleep? I must experiment with this idea |
| 12:36:45 | pattieja | is back (gone 16:19:47) |
| 12:46:19 | nikos | Hi Tangent |
| 12:46:28 | Tangent | nikos : Hi :) |
| 13:05:00 | | rumour has it 2.4.7 is 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs in ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7; ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/outgoing also useful. demo feed old now |
| 13:05:00 | nikos | ibot: 2.4.7 |
| 13:16:42 | CSstudent | is the usb 'autosync' cable a normal usb cable ? |
| 13:20:32 | Tangent | CSstudent : Yes |
| 13:21:05 | Tangent | CSstudent : There is only one USB cable available for the iPAQ |
| 13:27:52 | CSstudent | Tangent: thx, i am looking for bluetooth, but the price suprised me .... |
| 13:28:22 | Tangent | CSstudent : If you have a serial cable, you can always add USB to it |
| 13:30:18 | po | hi there |
| 13:30:50 | po | has anyone managed to get pre0.5 working on just a standard ipaq with no network card. pppd is not included in default jffs image. |
| 13:30:57 | po | Do I need to create a new one with this included? |
| 13:31:08 | po | Otherwise I don't think I can install any new packages on ipaq with ipkg update |
| 13:31:19 | nikos | po: ppp was mistakenly left out. |
| 13:31:37 | nikos | po: Download it manually to your desktop and tranfer it over using zmodem and install locally. |
| 13:31:54 | po | how do I tell ipaq to wait for a zmodem download? |
| 13:32:13 | po | do I do it in the bootloader? |
| 13:32:42 | CSstudent | CSstudent: add a USB to it , do you mean buy a new usb cable or ? |
| 13:32:56 | CSstudent | Tangent: add a USB to it , do you mean buy a new usb cable or ? |
| 13:33:42 | Tangent | CSstudent : I mean get a USB extension from local store.. cut one end off, and solder wires onto the connector from existing iPAQ cable |
| 13:34:43 | CSstudent | Tangent: oh , that means man-made USB wire .... what is the cost of the connector ? |
| 13:35:07 | CSstudent | Tangent: no, i mean the cost of the extension . |
| 13:35:27 | vosque | hey, is there something wonky with mmap on ipaq again? |
| 13:36:59 | Tangent | vosque : There's something workny with mmap and jffs2 |
| 13:37:05 | vosque | :( |
| 13:37:18 | vosque | ah well. |
| 13:37:20 | Tangent | vosque : Namely, jffs2 doesn't support shared_writeable_mmap |
| 13:37:25 | vosque | ah |
| 13:37:34 | po | what implications does that have? |
| 13:37:45 | Tangent | po : Means that dpkg doesn't work for starters |
| 13:37:51 | vosque | and msql. |
| 13:37:58 | vosque | which is what I've been fighting with. |
| 13:38:06 | nikos | po: Just log in, the zomdem receive will start automatically. |
| 13:38:09 | Tangent | You could try ext3 on CF |
| 13:38:10 | po | ah so those programs use memory mapped stuff? |
| 13:38:20 | po | nikos: thanks! Trying it now! |
| 13:38:28 | Tangent | po : Mainly programs that have two different threads writing to one file |
| 13:38:54 | po | tangent: ok thanks just wondered what that affected! |
| 13:39:57 | vosque | hmm |
| 13:40:15 | vosque | Only have a single slot pcmcia, so using cf would be of marginal use. |
| 13:40:26 | po | what is all this talk about a bug in the kernel which affects ipaq power consumption? |
| 13:41:10 | vosque | I suppose I can copy the table data to and from ramfs on init, but that would scare children. |
| 13:43:51 | nikos | po: It's not so much a bug as power management work just isn't complete. |
| 13:45:28 | po | is it difficult then or just a case of not enough time |
| 14:09:53 | nikos | po: Knowledge and time. |
| 14:35:12 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 09:58:30) |
| 14:56:20 | sjohnson_lunch | is away: lunch |
| 14:56:25 | on3 | nikos!! :) |
| 14:58:42 | nikos | on3: Hey, how's it going? |
| 14:59:09 | on3 | slow... i got the 0.5 prerelease on the 3765.. |
| 14:59:14 | on3 | it was a rough rough install :) |
| 14:59:31 | nikos | on3: What was so rough? |
| 14:59:43 | on3 | i'm sure i didn't help it any by only doing the task-bootstrap image :) |
| 15:00:03 | on3 | things like ppp weren't in the bootstrap! agh...hard to do ppp serial to the laptop without it.. |
| 15:00:26 | nikos | on3: task-bootstrap is normal, that's all I've ever done. |
| 15:00:41 | nikos | on3: Missing ppp was a mistake, but easily fixed with a zmodem upload. |
| 15:00:45 | nikos | on3: Same for missing ssh. |
| 15:01:00 | on3 | ahh. i thought it was a "bug" :) |
| 15:01:30 | on3 | i happened to have a 260meg pcmcia drive and my laptop .. |
| 15:01:46 | on3 | fetched the ppp* packages from the ftp site and ipkg install them from the pcmcia disk |
| 15:02:07 | nikos | on3: Sounds like the hard way to me. A simple zmodem upload would have been a one step solution. |
| 15:02:08 | on3 | i had to format the pcmcia drive as fat16 too. yuck.. |
| 15:02:21 | on3 | i didn't know how to to the zmodem upload :) oops.. |
| 15:02:48 | on3 | it was the hard way. quite quite a painful way to work. but once ppp was up, i was VERY happy to have 115k serial again :) heh.. |
| 15:03:32 | on3 | thinking about installing the arm toolchain now in case i need it in the future... |
| 15:05:07 | on3 | hey, wanna meet for lunch :) hehe..i figure the 1hour timezone diff could be used in our favor ... |
| 15:05:16 | nikos | on3: :) |
| 15:05:50 | on3 | seriously... what can i use for an email (imap?) client on the ipaq? |
| 15:06:15 | on3 | i actually got the QPE environment working nicely now. that was a challenge too...bleh.. |
| 15:06:23 | nikos | on3: The only one I've ever heard of anybody trying would be althea. |
| 15:06:29 | on3 | hmm |
| 15:06:35 | nikos | on3: Let me warn you, as far as GUI goes I'm 100% X/GTK. |
| 15:07:12 | on3 | i like gtk too. but the qpe is so.... pretty :) hehe.. but i'm not an advocate of qt/kde at all. i use gnome on my laptop |
| 15:07:20 | on3 | and my server at the house |
| 15:08:07 | nikos | :) |
| 15:09:28 | zooty | it wouldn't take much to write the tools for a gtk base desktop for linux |
| 15:09:42 | zooty | or for that matter to make GDK talk to the QPE window server |
| 15:10:24 | zooty | or to write your own windowserver from scratch that did the same thing as QPE if you wanted to |
| 15:10:32 | zooty | although there isn't much wrong with X |
| 15:13:09 | on3 | true.. |
| 15:13:23 | on3 | just need an email client, preferrably imap.. |
| 15:13:32 | zooty | DIY, |
| 15:13:35 | on3 | that's the laaaaaaaast thing i need then my life will be complete again |
| 15:14:15 | zooty | if there was a GTK+ windowclass that made it easy to port existing gtk/gnome apps then it wouldn't be an infinite amount of work |
| 15:14:28 | zooty | you could probably use the core balsa code. |
| 15:14:34 | zooty | same for gnome-pim etc. |
| 15:14:53 | Disconnect | zooty: althea. already ported to ipaq (shrunk windows, etc) |
| 15:15:05 | Disconnect | zooty: ipkg install althea |
| 15:16:55 | zooty | Disconnect: yepyep, but it would be nice to have some specialised tools ala qt/e which make it easier to port gtk apps to palmtops. |
| 15:17:12 | Disconnect | zooty: ahh. gtksquished makes a good start. |
| 15:17:16 | | Disconnect: sorry... |
| 15:17:16 | Disconnect | ibot: gtksquished |
| 15:17:20 | | Disconnect: sorry... |
| 15:17:20 | Disconnect | ibot: gtksquashed |
| 15:17:26 | Disconnect | ibot: search for gtk |
| 15:17:58 | Disconnect | hrm. either way. its standard on fam now, binary-compatible w/ standard gtk, someone went htrough and shrunk basically everything. |
| 15:18:50 | zooty | yep, but apps are still geared towards the floating wnidow on desktop style which doesn't fit well with a low-realestate desktop |
| 15:21:04 | zooty | better to have apps-use-whole-desktop-by-default style like pocketpc |
| 15:21:55 | on3 | what server has the althea package? |
| 15:22:03 | on3 | i just did an update and don't see it yet... |
| 15:22:55 | on3 | ipkg can't find it :( |
| 15:23:06 | on3 | wait.. i bet ibot knows... |
| 15:23:44 | | on3: huh? |
| 15:23:44 | on3 | ibot: althea |
| 15:23:45 | nikos | on3: I don't think it has ever been packaged. |
| 15:23:54 | on3 | ibot: search for althea |
| 15:24:01 | on3 | damnit.. :) |
| 15:24:08 | nikos | woohoo got my stowaway and 128MB CF. |
| 15:24:18 | DragonEagle | nikos: cool |
| 15:24:37 | on3 | nikos: congrats! let me know how the stowaway is. thinking about getting one myself |
| 15:24:40 | on3 | where you get it from? |
| 15:25:00 | nikos | on3: I got it from www.4sure.com, found the best combo price there. |
| 15:25:04 | DragonEagle | if anybodies interested, I'm setting up a repository for "orphan" packages |
| 15:25:16 | nikos | on3: There was at least one place with a cheaper stowaway price, but they were out of stock. |
| 15:25:26 | nikos | DragonEagle: What is an orphan package? |
| 15:25:29 | on3 | i've ordered frm them before. didn't have problems with them.. cool.. |
| 15:25:51 | DragonEagle | nikos: what I'm calling an orphan package is something like..... |
| 15:26:10 | DragonEagle | "I only put one package out there, I shouldn't really bother with a repository" |
| 15:26:19 | DragonEagle | eg one without a home |
| 15:26:45 | DragonEagle | to make installations easier |
| 15:26:50 | nikos | DragonEagle: I see. They need to be told about ipkg-make-index and shown the light. |
| 15:27:05 | nikos | DragonEagle: On the other hand, if they don't have a webhost... |
| 15:27:15 | DragonEagle | and I'm sitting behind one :) |
| 15:28:11 | DragonEagle | btw, ipkg-make-index seems to complain about my packages...can't find the control file for some reason |
| 15:29:26 | nikos | DragonEagle: When did you check it out? |
| 15:29:33 | DragonEagle | 2 days ago |
| 15:30:18 | nikos | DragonEagle: Hmm, hasn't changed in 5 months. It works OK for me. |
| 15:30:52 | DragonEagle | hmmmm, I've just been building the Packages file by hand, not too much work for the small number of ipkgs I have |
| 15:40:23 | nikos | woohoo, my stowaway works! |
| 15:41:31 | nikos | ok how do you make a ~? |
| 15:41:56 | nikos | foudn it |
| 15:42:05 | DragonEagle | uh....shift backquote? |
| 15:48:19 | nikos | Well, it's workable if awkward with the dual cradle. |
| 15:49:04 | nikos | How would I figure out what device is being used by rxvt? To use stty I mean. |
| 15:50:02 | Disconnect | nikos: lsof -p rxvtpid |
| 15:50:16 | Disconnect | nikos: or run rxvt as -ls and do a 'w' |
| 15:50:19 | nikos | How about in the context of Familiar on the ipaq? :) |
| 15:51:00 | nikos | What is pst/0 in the ps output? |
| 15:51:04 | nikos | err pts/0 |
| 15:53:59 | on3 | where can i get the kernel module to mount these .jffs2 images? mount -t jffs2 -o loop blah.jffs2 /mnt ?? |
| 15:54:33 | nikos | on3: Can't do that. What do you need. |
| 15:54:41 | nikos | on3: jffs2 is not a block filesystem. |
| 15:54:48 | on3 | oh.. fook |
| 15:54:58 | nikos | on3: Why would you want to do that? |
| 15:55:14 | on3 | trying to compile althea with the arm toolchain |
| 15:55:16 | nikos | on3: It can be done, it just involves the mtdram device and somewhat more complex. |
| 15:55:22 | nikos | on3: Use the skiffcluster. |
| 15:55:26 | | skiffcluster is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 15:55:26 | nikos | ibot: skiffcluster. |
| 15:57:32 | on3 | ssh as guest didn't seem to work. trying telnet.. |
| 15:58:14 | on3 | telnet timed out.. hmm |
| 15:59:01 | on3 | l:guest, p: ? |
| 15:59:03 | nikos | on3: You can't ssh as guest, try different ones, skiffcluster1-6 with telnet. |
| 15:59:13 | nikos | on3: no password, just hit enter |
| 15:59:14 | on3 | telneted to 3 and got a prompt |
| 15:59:21 | on3 | i did.. "login failed" |
| 15:59:47 | on3 | now i just got kicked :) heh.. |
| 16:00:00 | nikos | on3: Use 4. |
| 16:00:14 | on3 | wooo..just got in on 2.. |
| 16:00:30 | on3 | i tried 4, telnet didn't respond. |
| 16:00:51 | on3 | i'm in reverse dns too so i gunno why it timed out |
| 16:00:58 | on3 | s/gunno/dunno/ |
| 16:01:24 | nikos | 4 works fine for me. |
| 16:04:34 | on3 | umm |
| 16:04:37 | on3 | this is waaaaay wrong |
| 16:04:37 | on3 | guest@skiffcluster2:~/dtoler@ilan.net$ date |
| 16:04:37 | on3 | Wed Dec 31 19:09:24 EST 1969 |
| 16:04:39 | on3 | :) |
| 16:04:48 | nikos | *sigh* just sec... |
| 16:05:23 | on3 | guest@skiffcluster2:~/dtoler@ilan.net$ date |
| 16:05:23 | on3 | Fri Oct 19 13:07:42 EDT 2001 |
| 16:05:25 | on3 | alllllllllll better |
| 16:05:26 | DragonEagle | woah dude damn, I missed woodstock |
| 16:05:26 | on3 | :) |
| 16:05:44 | on3 | darn |
| 16:06:02 | on3 | at least the mit/lincoln lab/stanford/berkely guys just turned up arpanet |
| 16:06:14 | on3 | s/berkley/berkeley/ |
| 16:06:20 | on3 | s/berkely/berkeley/ |
| 16:06:25 | nikos | :p :p :p |
| 16:09:46 | on3 | i .. uh.. i hate to be a picky bitch |
| 16:09:49 | on3 | but |
| 16:10:06 | on3 | guest@skiffcluster2:~/dtoler@ilan.net/althea-0.3.4$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/arm* |
| 16:10:07 | on3 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 12 Apr 5 2001 /usr/local/bin/arm-linux-g++ -> /usr/bin/g++ |
| 16:10:07 | on3 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 12 Apr 5 2001 /usr/local/bin/arm-linux-gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc |
| 16:10:09 | on3 | guest@skiffcluster2:~/dtoler@ilan.net/althea-0.3.4$ ls /usr/bin/g++* |
| 16:10:32 | on3 | [.] /usr/bin/g++-2.95 |
| 16:10:51 | on3 | guest@skiffcluster2:~/dtoler@ilan.net/althea-0.3.4$ ls -l /usr/bin/g++* |
| 16:10:52 | on3 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 79964 Jan 27 2001 /usr/bin/g++-2.95 |
| 16:10:56 | on3 | there we go. bleh.. |
| 16:11:07 | on3 | arm-linux-g++ symlink goes nowhere.. |
| 16:12:58 | nikos | ? |
| 16:13:11 | nikos | on3: I've used the g++-2.95 without trouble. |
| 16:13:48 | on3 | right |
| 16:13:56 | on3 | but executing arm-linux-g++ fails |
| 16:14:04 | nikos | on3: Why would you want to do that? |
| 16:14:10 | nikos | on3: This is a native arm environment. |
| 16:14:43 | on3 | ah.. the makefile i'm using is looking for arm-linux-g++... i'll change that .. |
| 16:14:45 | nikos | on3: You shouldn't be trying to use cross toolchain setup. |
| 16:15:56 | on3 | it's compiling now |
| 16:22:28 | on3 | althea is not made to compile ANYWHERE it seems.. >sigh< ... |
| 16:22:51 | on3 | i'm going for lunch food now... |
| 16:22:53 | on3 | brb |
| 16:23:19 | on3 | is away: ph00|) |
| 17:25:30 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:29:10) |
| 17:35:21 | nikos | is away: until about 2:25 CDT |
| 17:59:27 | on3 | is not away anymore [and i have reconnected] |
| 17:59:31 | on3 | odd.. server must have died |
| 17:59:33 | on3 | hi all |
| 17:59:48 | on3 | crap.. brb |
| 18:04:31 | on3 | back |
| 18:11:30 | on3 | wtf? what do i need running on the ipaq to nfs mount a share on my laptop!?? |
| 18:11:34 | on3 | i did it last night.. |
| 18:19:53 | nikos | is back |
| 18:20:01 | on3 | welcome back .. lunch? |
| 18:20:30 | nikos | on3: No, hard to explain. ;) |
| 18:20:40 | nikos | on3: Got NFS mdoules? |
| 18:21:50 | on3 | thought i did... i'll check. |
| 18:22:22 | nikos | on3: Be sure you use -o nolock |
| 18:23:46 | | Try using -o nolock,soft (soft will help stop the error cascades, especially over wireless) |
| 18:23:46 | Disconnect | ibot: nfs |
| 18:26:43 | on3 | yep, nfs, lockd, sunrpc all loaded [lsmod] |
| 18:26:44 | on3 | i get this: |
| 18:26:44 | on3 | mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused |
| 18:26:44 | on3 | and tcpdump on laptop doesn't show any packets on the wire |
| 18:27:48 | nikos | on3: You understand that we mean in the mount command on the ipaq right? |
| 18:31:53 | on3 | yep, mount options. i was scp'ing the mp3 over in the meantime. got carried away :) oops. |
| 18:32:18 | on3 | still gett "connection refused" error. |
| 18:32:27 | on3 | and it's all running on my laptop just fine |
| 18:32:49 | on3 | anohter host can mount my share just fine... wierd.. |
| 18:32:55 | on3 | the packets don't leave the ipaq. ?? |
| 18:33:26 | nikos | on3: I don't know... |
| 18:34:05 | on3 | yeah weird... i don't either :( dang... www.google.com :) |
| 18:34:15 | po | hi there |
| 18:34:29 | po | does anyone know why I haven't got ppp_generic.o on pre 0.5 |
| 18:34:34 | po | I've got kernel, kernel modules etc installed |
| 18:34:43 | nikos | po: You installed the ppp modules? |
| 18:34:43 | po | trying to install ppp_modules and failing as it cant find ppp_generic.o |
| 18:34:58 | on3 | did you do the task-bootstrap like i did? |
| 18:34:59 | on3 | :) |
| 18:35:02 | po | yes tried to, but they fail in post-install |
| 18:35:10 | on3 | hehe...u don't have ppp |
| 18:35:16 | on3 | nikos: help the guy out :) |
| 18:35:21 | po | i put on the ppp module |
| 18:35:22 | nikos | po: How are you installing? |
| 18:35:26 | po | transferred it via zmodem |
| 18:35:32 | nikos | po: The ipkg file right? |
| 18:35:33 | po | then used ipkg install <filename> |
| 18:35:33 | on3 | ooo he's l33t |
| 18:35:35 | po | yes |
| 18:35:41 | on3 | depmod -a ? |
| 18:35:42 | nikos | po: Hmm, I'm not sure, just sec. |
| 18:35:50 | nikos | on3: good idea |
| 18:35:59 | on3 | check /lib/modules/2.4.7-*/kernel/drivers/net |
| 18:36:33 | nikos | on3: You might be able to help him better than me, I don't and have never used PPP. |
| 18:37:00 | on3 | if he's got it installed already, yeah. but the howto on the wiki was niiiiice and easy |
| 18:37:19 | on3 | too easy :) and it worked. well. thank whomever for that. |
| 18:37:20 | nikos | on3: Can you do an ipkg search on the full path of that module name? |
| 18:37:21 | po | there was a bug in pre 0.5 so ppp wasn't installed with the rest of the stuff in the jffs file |
| 18:37:45 | po | the module is in the path, but pppd still gives me the error that this system lacks support for pppd |
| 18:37:45 | nikos | po: Right, but I'm guessing, and on3 will check, that that module should have come with ppp modules ipkg. |
| 18:37:53 | nikos | po: You did do depmod -a? |
| 18:38:01 | on3 | ppp-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs |
| 18:38:12 | nikos | po: Check that what uname -a returns matches your lib path. |
| 18:38:16 | nikos | on3: Thank you. |
| 18:38:18 | on3 | and the binary is in ppp.ipkg |
| 18:38:28 | po | ok doing that now! *grin* |
| 18:39:03 | po | depmod says that it can't open /lib/modules<etc> for writing |
| 18:39:22 | on3 | .. /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs/modules.dep ? |
| 18:39:25 | po | so ppp_generic.o is in the lib path, but not finding it. Maybe I need to add a lib path to /etc/ld.so.conf or something? |
| 18:39:41 | on3 | doesn't go in ld.so.conf |
| 18:39:51 | nikos | po: That <etc> is extremely important. |
| 18:40:10 | nikos | po: And as on3 says, technically these are not libraries have have nothing to do with ld |
| 18:40:11 | po | on3: nearly it says /lib/modules/ppp-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_hh6_arm.ipk/modules.dep for writing |
| 18:40:19 | on3 | do you have the /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs/... tree? and thus kerne/drivers/net/ppp*.o under it? |
| 18:40:20 | nikos | po: ??? |
| 18:40:20 | po | ok i'm getting modules and libraries confused |
| 18:40:24 | nikos | po: That's not even close. |
| 18:40:30 | on3 | whoa... |
| 18:40:45 | po | on3: I have that tree yes |
| 18:40:54 | on3 | ipkg install ppp-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs-blah.ipkg |
| 18:41:01 | on3 | whatver blah is for you |
| 18:41:19 | on3 | i'm using the -hh10 series myself for sleeve support |
| 18:41:28 | on3 | you might need to also, depends on your goal. |
| 18:41:37 | on3 | [and xircom nic] |
| 18:42:17 | po | on3: ok tried to install ppp-modules again, gives me the same error as before /kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o not found |
| 18:42:23 | po | even though it's in the correct place in the tree |
| 18:42:50 | on3 | ok |
| 18:42:57 | on3 | ls /lib/modules/2.4.7*/kernel/drivers/net |
| 18:43:02 | on3 | you found the same bug i did i think |
| 18:43:10 | on3 | the postinst scripts are broken |
| 18:43:16 | on3 | [i meant to report that.. sorry nikos!] |
| 18:43:27 | po | on3: when I do that ls, module is in the directory |
| 18:43:28 | on3 | are the ppp*.o modules there |
| 18:43:31 | po | yes |
| 18:43:34 | on3 | now do depmod -a |
| 18:44:06 | nikos | on3: What bug? I'm confused. |
| 18:44:43 | po | on3 : depmod -a ppp-modules<bleh> gives me the error about can't open /lib/modules/ppp-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_hh6_arm.ipk/modules.dep for writing |
| 18:44:44 | on3 | what i saw in the postinst script didn't look/work right. the depmod line was either missing a "\" or something else was mis-typed |
| 18:44:48 | on3 | no |
| 18:44:52 | on3 | just depmod -a |
| 18:44:54 | on3 | nothing else |
| 18:44:58 | po | ok that returns no output |
| 18:45:03 | on3 | modprobe ppp_generic |
| 18:45:04 | nikos | on3: For which package? |
| 18:45:17 | on3 | nikos: A LOT of modules.. ppp included.. |
| 18:45:20 | on3 | lsmod |
| 18:45:23 | on3 | po: then do lsmod |
| 18:45:26 | nikos | on3: Thanks, I'll check it. |
| 18:45:28 | on3 | ppp_generic should be there now |
| 18:45:29 | po | ok modprobe returns cslip and ppp generic driver blah blah |
| 18:45:39 | po | lsmod displays ppp_generic installed!? |
| 18:45:39 | on3 | ifconfig -a should show ppp0 |
| 18:45:43 | on3 | yaaaay |
| 18:45:44 | on3 | :) |
| 18:45:44 | po | so why she no worke? |
| 18:45:47 | on3 | you found a bug |
| 18:45:49 | on3 | it works |
| 18:45:55 | po | uh pppd does work now. |
| 18:45:56 | on3 | the script is broken. nikos is checking it. |
| 18:45:57 | po | !? |
| 18:46:10 | on3 | you can't see the scripts because they extract to /tmp |
| 18:46:17 | po | but we didn't change anything. Unless depmod and modprobe kickstarted something. |
| 18:46:19 | on3 | and then the ipkg deletes the scripts when it's done |
| 18:46:31 | on3 | REALLY quick too :) but i manged to grab one before it deleted it. |
| 18:46:39 | on3 | po: the ipkg runs a postinst script |
| 18:46:50 | po | ok so what is broken, and why did that process fix it? |
| 18:46:56 | po | the postinst of ppp_modules is broken yes? |
| 18:46:56 | on3 | the postinst script runs depmod trying to the dependencies for only the modules you just added. |
| 18:47:07 | on3 | not just ppp. A LOT of the modules scripts are broken |
| 18:47:12 | po | aah I see |
| 18:47:18 | on3 | nfs, ppp, sound, fsmods, etc.. |
| 18:47:25 | po | so how did you fix them by telling me to perform modprobe and depmod -a? |
| 18:47:26 | on3 | i forget all the broken ones. just know it was alot |
| 18:47:35 | on3 | the scripts REALLY DO put the modules in place. |
| 18:47:39 | nikos | on3: Probably all, I see the bug. They are automatically generated. |
| 18:47:42 | on3 | when all is done, just run depmod -a manually. |
| 18:47:58 | on3 | then it's complete. |
| 18:48:16 | po | so why does depmod -a fix anything? does that rescan the modules and load em up ? |
| 18:48:19 | on3 | nikso: the depmod should be either depmod \ to continue to the next line |
| 18:48:22 | on3 | po: yes |
| 18:48:25 | on3 | po: sort of. |
| 18:48:26 | nikos | on3: Yes, I saw it. |
| 18:48:30 | on3 | po: it rebuilds modules.dep |
| 18:48:35 | nikos | on3: Reporting to the builder now. |
| 18:48:50 | on3 | so you can modprobe <module> and it will then load all the dependent modules |
| 18:48:59 | po | on3: right ok! now I get it. I will spread the word to my other ipaq bretheren. well I would if they weren't all using cushy wince. |
| 18:49:13 | po | ok i've learnt something tonight. thanks for all the help. |
| 18:50:46 | on3 | i found it last night and fought it for an hour. |
| 18:50:52 | on3 | then i started troubleshooting it. |
| 18:51:05 | on3 | it was late, so it took my brain a while to get past "this doesn't work. it's broken". |
| 18:51:24 | po | I wasn't expecting broken, I thought it was just me being dumb. Next time I will think for broken too. |
| 18:51:48 | on3 | i thought "this is package management crap. i hate packages. give me source, give me tarballs!!!!" |
| 18:51:52 | po | even sshd is working now, oh the luxury! |
| 18:52:01 | on3 | then i started looking at it. "ooooo ok" |
| 18:52:06 | po | source & tarballs are good, except when you want to uninstall the f*ckers |
| 18:52:11 | on3 | it was only with the prerelease code too. |
| 18:52:19 | on3 | po: :) |
| 18:52:34 | po | sure I tried 0.4 and it worked fine, but fell into temptation couldn't stand the thought of a newer release being out there and not using it! |
| 18:52:58 | on3 | nikos: thanks for your help and verification. i meant to email you that last night but as i said, it was REALLY REALLY late and i needed to snooze instead. |
| 18:52:58 | nikos | on3: Care to take the honors and report that bug on the gnats database? |
| 18:53:02 | | rumour has it gnats is at http://familiar.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/wwwgnats.pl |
| 18:53:02 | nikos | ibot: gnats |
| 18:53:32 | on3 | if that will help, sure |
| 18:53:33 | on3 | ! |
| 18:53:54 | nikos | on3: Yeah, we are supposed to be recording all bugs now even if we tell the maintainer. |
| 18:54:25 | on3 | would this be "serious" or "critical" ? |
| 18:54:28 | on3 | i imagine serious |
| 18:54:35 | nikos | on3: Yeah, serious. |
| 18:54:58 | on3 | is the "ppp-is-missing-from-bootstrap" already reported? |
| 18:59:33 | on3 | done |
| 19:00:09 | po | so what does everyone do with their linux ipaq? |
| 19:00:24 | po | what are you ipaq related goals? |
| 19:00:37 | on3 | i'm hunting for a decent imap client |
| 19:01:36 | po | surely one of the ones from sourceforge or freshmeat must work? I guess they're designed for bigger screens etc |
| 19:02:23 | on3 | althea failed compilations on the skiff and local system |
| 19:02:42 | po | it needs fixing? what's it written in? |
| 19:05:01 | po | ooh looking at it on freshmeat I can see why it won't compile - it's a beast |
| 19:06:33 | on3 | anyone know of where i can d/l some star trek computer voice sounds for our network status monitoring? |
| 19:06:34 | on3 | po: what? althea? get the patch from handhelds.org wiki for making it "smaller" |
| 19:08:22 | po | po: ah ok. just thought it looked a bit godzilla. |
| 19:10:11 | po | thanks for all the help guys. Catch you later. |
| 19:44:56 | sgodsell | Nikos are you around |
| 19:44:59 | sgodsell | ? |
| 19:45:49 | nikos | sgodsell: Yes |
| 19:47:31 | sgodsell | Ah |
| 19:47:33 | sgodsell | good |
| 19:47:54 | sgodsell | It seems that anyone that has taken ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7/task-bootstrap-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs-hh9-3600.jffs2 |
| 19:48:06 | sgodsell | Has a problem with the hardware clock |
| 19:48:07 | DragonEagle | sgodsell: is it me or are those fundimental linux questions |
| 19:48:28 | sgodsell | Someone should be informed of this problem in the image |
| 19:49:05 | nikos | sgodsell: Did you try ln -s /dev/misc/rtc /dev/rtc? |
| 19:49:23 | sgodsell | No |
| 19:49:31 | nikos | sgodsell: I think that's out of date anyway, but even at that, that's just an experimental image by jamey, nothing official. |
| 19:49:33 | sgodsell | I should have told him that too |
| 19:49:47 | sgodsell | Ahh, ok |
| 20:07:02 | MoD|at_home | nikos: can you help me |
| 20:07:15 | MoD|at_home | got prob with the hw clock |
| 20:07:23 | MoD|at_home | 2.4.7 hh9 |
| 20:08:12 | MoD|at_home | need the correct line to setup linuxrc to solve that prob please help me? btw hello |
| 20:08:54 | nikos | MoD|at_home: Did you ln -s /dev/misc/rtc /dev/rtc and try it? |
| 20:09:35 | MoD|at_home | nikos: it is in linuxrc |
| 20:09:43 | MoD|at_home | ## this is mildly redundant, but hwclock needs it |
| 20:09:43 | MoD|at_home | /sbin/modprobe sa1100-rtc |
| 20:09:43 | MoD|at_home | ln -s /dev/misc/rtc /dev/rtc |
| 20:09:51 | MoD|at_home | these are the lines |
| 20:10:03 | MoD|at_home | or maybe i'm thinking wronf? |
| 20:10:15 | nikos | MoD|at_home: Seems fine. |
| 20:10:25 | nikos | MoD|at_home: hwclock --systohc doesn't work? |
| 20:11:18 | nikos | MoD|at_home: It's better if you don't modprobe in /linuxrc and instead add it to /etc/modules |
| 20:13:16 | DragonEagle | looks for security holes in beeblebrox's system :) |
| 20:13:47 | MoD|at_home | nikos: should dd the line of that module? |
| 20:13:50 | beeblebrox | is not on his usual computer |
| 20:14:29 | DragonEagle | beeblebrox: lol |
| 20:14:38 | MoD|at_home | nikos: sa1100-rtc this line i mean or what do you mean |
| 20:15:37 | MoD|at_home | nikos: please tell me? |
| 20:19:22 | MoD|at_home | nikos: ? |
| 20:19:37 | MoD|at_home | nikos: need to go please tell me? |
| 20:25:21 | nikos | MoD|at_home: /etc/modules just lists the names of modules that need to be loaded at boot time. |
| 20:31:29 | sgodsell | is away: I have to go! |
| 20:54:52 | DragonEagle | nikos: you around? |
| 20:55:13 | nikos | DragonEagle: Yep, about half hour more. |
| 20:55:39 | DragonEagle | sorry to bug you, just have an issue I was wondering if you could shed some light on........ |
| 20:55:46 | nikos | I can try |
| 20:56:10 | DragonEagle | I'm compiling njs for the ipaq, it works fine on the skiffs, but when I bring it into my ipaq, it segfaults immediately |
| 20:56:29 | DragonEagle | I think it's a link issue, just not sure where |
| 20:56:43 | nikos | DragonEagle: Does ldd also segfault on it? |
| 20:57:00 | DragonEagle | nikos: no |
| 20:57:17 | nikos | DragonEagle: ldd -v return any linkages that you are missing? |
| 20:57:33 | nikos | DragonEagle: A missing shared lib doesn't usually result in segfault though. |
| 20:57:47 | nikos | DragonEagle: Might need to get gdb |
| 20:58:18 | DragonEagle | nothing missing, is there a gdb already set up for the ipaq? |
| 20:59:16 | DragonEagle | but even if the first executable line is puts(sometext); it still segfaults |
| 21:00:25 | nikos | DragonEagle: Check in the bleeding feed, I think it does exist. |
| 21:00:33 | DragonEagle | thx, will do |
| 21:00:46 | | I think I need a band-aid. |
| 21:00:46 | DragonEagle | ibot bleeding |
| 21:00:50 | | hmmm... bleeding feed is http://familiar.handhelds.org/~nelson/bleeding/ |
| 21:00:50 | DragonEagle | ibot bleeding feed |
| 21:00:54 | | DragonEagle: i'm not following you... |
| 21:00:54 | DragonEagle | ibot lol |
| 21:01:08 | | OK, DragonEagle. |
| 21:01:08 | DragonEagle | ibot lol is <reply> stop laughing at me |
| 21:01:10 | | stop laughing at me |
| 21:01:10 | DragonEagle | ibot lol |
| 21:01:46 | banshee | ... a cocky bot |
| 21:01:55 | | Aaaahh! |
| 21:01:55 | Disconnect | ibot: scream |
| 21:03:02 | | just a cheap substitute for caffeine. |
| 21:03:02 | DragonEagle | ibot sleep |
| 21:05:40 | DocSnyder | is away: I'm busy. |
| 21:23:41 | DocSnyder | is back (gone 00:18:00) |
| 21:31:51 | derrell | Disconnect: are you here? |
| 21:32:03 | jacques | derrell: you were in the right place - Disconnect is on #intimate too |
| 21:32:19 | | tangent was last seen on #handhelds.org 3 hours, 57 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: MoD|at_home : echo nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > /etc/resolv.conf [Fri Oct 19 18:35:01 2001] |
| 21:32:19 | jacques | ibot: seen tangent |
| 21:36:36 | | dneuer was last seen on #handhelds.org 2 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: is away: just away [Wed Oct 17 00:27:04 2001] |
| 21:36:36 | bhima | ibot: seen dneuer |
| 21:36:45 | bhima | yawns. |
| 21:46:57 | DragonEagle | hands bhima a cup of coffee |
| 21:47:03 | on3 | going home...nite nite! |
| 22:41:29 | pattieja | is away: headin' home |
| 23:05:54 | DragonEagle | is away: break time |
| 23:23:33 | sgodsell | is back (gone 02:52:03) |