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13:30:31cmusicjust installed familiar 0.5 and i can't get sound output. how do i mount the proper modules?
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19:29:32cmusicI am trying a fresh install following the instruction at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/install/H3600/install.html but i can't find task-familiar-complete and other packages, have the instructions changed?
19:31:12nikoscmusic: The package name did, task-complete.
19:45:05cmusicnikos: i'm trying that but it happens that many times it sais: package blah not found, I'll leave it there for you to try a manual installation. and i also included the lorien feed in my /etc/ipkg.conf file
19:45:37nikoscmusic: Did you 'ipkg update'?
19:46:01cmusicyeah, i believe I did.
19:46:25nikoscmusic: What sources is your ipkg.conf set to?
19:47:31cmusicnikos: src lorien ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/demo/
19:47:32cmusicsrc familiar-unstable http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/pack
19:47:36cmusicages/armv4l
19:48:06nikoscmusic: So you installed v0.5-pre?
19:48:19cmusicexactly, with bootldr x15.15
19:48:45nikoscmusic: Well, it's definitely called task-complete.
19:48:51nikoshttp://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/task-complete_0.9_arm.ipk
19:50:08cmusicnikos: so the exact name that i should try is task-complete_0.9_arm ?
19:51:15nikoscmusic: No, only the bit before the first underscore (_).
19:51:26nikoscmusic: ipkg info task-complete
19:53:16cmusicnikos: yup, it finds it. and i did try to install that but somehow it didn't go all the way through and i don't even have x installed
19:54:15nikoscmusic: Do it again, it doesn't argue.
19:55:06cmusicnikos: task-complete you mean?
19:55:47nikoscmusic: Yes.
19:56:25cmusicnikos: ok, trying right now, but if it didn't work before, how will it work now?
19:57:49nikoscmusic: I'm assuming the previous failure was transient.
19:57:56nikoscmusic: Maybe I'm not understanding.
19:58:15nikoscmusic: I just now understood you to say that it started to download, but failed part way through.  Is that correct?
19:59:03cmusicnikos: not exactly, my connection did not die, i think it's not able to find the packages for some other reason. It fails to find some packages but it finds others, very strange.
19:59:17nikoscmusic: ping familiar.handhelds.org
19:59:45cmusicnikos: yup, i can ping, avg time 90 ms
19:59:55nikoscmusic: How about giving me the actual error message, I don't understand what you are saying at all.
20:00:11nikoscmusic: Either it complains about the name, or it tries to download and fails at some point.  Which is it?
20:00:52cmusicnikos: it complains about the name
20:01:04cmusicnikos: error sample > ipkg_depends: Warning: libgtk mentioned in dependency but no package found in /u
20:01:04cmusicsr/lib/ipkg/lists
20:01:04cmusicipkg_depends: Warning: lipng2 mentioned in dependency but no package found in /u
20:01:04cmusicsr/lib/ipkg/lists
20:01:04cmusicipkg_depends: Warning: xlib6g mentioned in dependency but no package found in /u
20:01:05cmusicsr/lib/ipkg/lists
20:01:07cmusicDownloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4
20:01:11cmusic--21:00:27--  http://familiar.handhelds.org:80/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/
20:01:13cmusicConnecting to familiar.handhelds.org:80... connected!
20:01:15cmusicHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
20:01:17cmusicLocation: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/
20:01:19cmusic [following]
20:01:21cmusic--21:00:27--  http://familiar.handhelds.org:80/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/
20:01:22cmusicarmv4l/
20:01:25cmusicConnecting to familiar.handhelds.org:80... connected!
20:01:27cmusicHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
20:01:29cmusicLength: unspecified [text/html]
20:01:31cmusic    0K -> .......... .......... .......
20:01:33cmusicDone.
20:01:43cmusicnikos: hmm, maybe i shouldn't have done that
20:02:12nikoscmusic: You will see errors, but that doesn't necessarily indicate a problem.  It should just continue on with the next package.
20:02:21nikoscmusic: Does it just stop there?
20:02:57nikoscmusic: Try removing the trailing / from the lorien source in /etc/ipkg.conf
20:03:07cmusicnikos: it continues, but when it's done i still end up with a system that has no x
20:03:25nikoscmusic: Installing task-complete should install bunches of packages.
20:03:41cmusicroot
20:03:42nikoscmusic: ipkg info task-complete lists what packages.
20:03:42cmusicrootme
20:05:53cmusicnikos: that didn't give me any output...
20:06:26nikos'ipkg info task-complete' says nothing?
20:06:51cmusicnikos: i just changed ipkg.conf and got rid of the lorien feed. rebooting
20:07:22nikoscmusic: No need to reboot.
20:07:27cmusicroot
20:08:10cmusicnikos: ok now it said someting, a basic description fo the package
20:09:07cmusicnikos: i also have a bunch of packages that were "previously requested" and it asks me weather i want to install them or not each time i try to install a new package
20:10:55nikoscmusic: Say yes to each.
20:11:15nikoscmusic: ipkg realizes that you asked to install packages and it failed.
20:12:08cmusicnikos: ok, although i can see the same type of error occuring again: /tmp/ipkg/blah.ipk not found...
20:13:28nikoscmusic: Are the wget downloads failing?
20:15:56cmusicnikos:yeah, the downloads are not working
20:23:59nikoscmusic: Is it still going?
20:24:17nikoscmusic: Stop it if so.
20:24:22nikoscmusic: rm -rf /tmp/ipkg
20:24:54nikoscmusic: 'ipkg update' and give me the result of that.
20:28:17cmusicnikos: ok one moment
20:30:07cmusicnikos: ah, it was not succesful
20:30:26cmusicnikos : Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4
20:30:26cmusic--21:31:56--  http://familiar.handhelds.org:80/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/
20:30:26cmusicConnecting to familiar.handhelds.org:80... connected!
20:30:26cmusicHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
20:30:26cmusicLocation: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/
20:30:27cmusic [following]
20:30:29cmusic--21:31:56--  http://familiar.handhelds.org:80/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/
20:30:30cmusicarmv4l/
20:30:33cmusicConnecting to familiar.handhelds.org:80... connected!
20:30:35cmusicHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
20:30:36cmusicLength: unspecified [text/html]
20:30:39cmusic    0K -> .......... .......... .......
20:30:40cmusicDone.
20:30:45cmusicUpdated list of available packages in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/familiar-unstable
20:30:46nikoscmusic: Hmmm, just a sec
20:31:17nikoscmusic: Are you using a proxy?
20:31:39nikosDownloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/Packages ...
20:31:40nikos--00:25:09--  http://familiar.handhelds.org:80/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/Packages
20:31:40nikos           => `//tmp/ipkg/Packages'
20:31:40nikosConnecting to familiar.handhelds.org:80... connected!
20:31:40nikosHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
20:31:40nikosLength: 113,642 [text/plain]
20:31:42nikos    0K -> .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... [ 45%]
20:31:44nikos   50K -> .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... [ 90%]
20:31:46nikos  100K -> ..........                                             [100%]
20:31:48nikos00:25:10 (179.00 KB/s) - `//tmp/ipkg/Packages' saved [113642/113642]
20:31:50nikosDone.
20:31:52nikosUpdated list of available packages in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/familiar-unstable
20:38:48cmusicnikos: not really, i'm behind a router sharing a broadband connection
20:39:28Disconnectnikos: note the url differences.
20:40:13Disconnectcmusic: change the src line from armv4 to armv4l
20:40:22nikosDisconnect: I assumed it was a bad paste, but it's a good question.  I did already ask cmusic about his ipkg src line.
20:40:40Disconnectahh.
20:40:54Disconnectcmusic: cat /etc/ipkg.conf | grep src  .. paste it here..
20:41:18nikosDisconnect: He's not going to have grep yet. ;)
20:41:26nikosDisconnect: or is he?
20:41:48cmusicDisconnect: nope
20:42:19cmusicDisconnect: tried installing it but didn't work either
20:42:23cmusicDisconnect: tried installing it but didn't work either
20:42:43cmusicDisconnect: i'll copy the src line in a moment although it does inlude the 4l part
20:43:14nikoscmusic: Do you see what Disconnect is referring to in your paste in above?
20:43:18cmusicsrc familiar-unstable http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/pack
20:43:20nikoscmusic: The url's there don't look right.
20:43:22cmusicages/armv4l
20:43:24Disconnectrebuilds this deb -again-.
20:43:26Disconnectnikos: isn't grep part of base? ipkg relies on it I thought.
20:43:26Disconnectcmusic: well cat it and paste the lines starting with 'src' ;)
20:43:30Disconnectcmusic: right, its not going to.
20:43:32Disconnectcmusic: until you get those lines fixed. which means pasting them here so we can eye them ;)
20:43:39nikoscmusic: Is that the way it looks for you or is it just a past problem.
20:43:46nikosDisconnect: No and no.
20:43:52nikoss/past/paste/
20:44:28cmusicDisconnect: i'ts a single line
20:44:53Disconnectmissed it (fscking connection dropped, missed the lines)
20:44:56Disconnect..and here it goes again I'd bet.
20:45:00cmusic"src familiar-unstable http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l"
20:45:02Disconnectcmusic: will be back in a few, gonna reboot the gateway and try again
20:45:19cmusicDisconnect: no prob
20:45:42nikoscmusic: try 'wget http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/Packages'
20:48:22cmusicwget http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/arm
20:48:22cmusicv4l/Packages
20:48:22cmusic--21:50:06--  http://familiar.handhelds.org:80/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/
20:48:22cmusicarmv4l/Packages
20:48:23cmusic           => `Packages'
20:48:25cmusicConnecting to familiar.handhelds.org:80... connected!
20:48:27cmusicHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
20:48:28cmusicLength: 113,642 [text/plain]
20:48:31cmusic    0K -> .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... [ 45%]
20:48:32cmusic   50K -> .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... [ 90%]
20:48:35cmusic  100K -> ..........                                             [100%]
20:48:36cmusic21:50:08 (131.49 KB/s) - `Packages' saved [113642/113642]
20:48:41cmusicit worked
20:48:53nikoscmusic: ipkg update again
20:50:38cmusicnikos: didn't work
20:50:45cmusicnikos: did not download properly
20:51:19nikoscmusic: I think your image is corrupted.
20:51:37nikoscmusic: Did you every answer my question about a proxy?
20:51:51nikoscmusic: Please paste in a complete copy of you /etc/ipkg.conf file.
20:52:01cmusicnikos: yup, i'm not using a proxy but i am using a router to share a boradband connection
20:52:30nikoscmusic: I'm doing much the same
20:52:45cmusicnikos: sh-2.03#
20:52:45cmusicsh-2.03# cat ipkg.conf
20:52:45cmusic# Must have one or more source entries of the form:
20:52:45cmusic#
20:52:45cmusic#       src <src-name> <source-url>
20:52:46cmusic#
20:52:47cmusic# and one or more destination entries of the form:
20:52:49cmusic#
20:52:52cmusic#       dest <dest-name> <target-path>
20:52:54cmusic#
20:52:55cmusic# where <src-name> and <dest-names> are identifiers that
20:52:58cmusic# should match [a-zA-Z0-9._-]+, <source-url> should be a
20:53:00cmusic# URL that points to a directory containing a Familiar
20:53:02cmusic# Packages file, and <target-path> should be a directory
20:53:06cmusic# that exists on the target system.
20:53:08cmusicsrc familiar-unstable http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/pack
20:53:09cmusicages/armv4l
20:53:12cmusicdest root /
20:53:13cmusicdest ram /mnt/ramfs
20:53:16cmusicdest ext /mnt/hda
20:53:17cmusic# Proxy support:
20:53:20cmusic#
20:53:21cmusic#option http_proxy http://proxy.tld:3128
20:53:24cmusic#option ftp_proxy http://proxy.tld:3128
20:53:26cmusic#option proxy_username <username>
20:53:27cmusic#option proxy_password <password>
20:53:30cmusic# Offline mode (for use in constructing flash images offline)
20:53:33cmusic#option offline_root target
20:53:42nikoscmusic: And you are sure that line really isn't broken?
20:55:11cmusicnikos: nope, not broken. i can email you the actual file...
20:55:39nikoscmusic: try to 'ipkg install ipkg'
20:59:39cmusicnikos: didn't work, same problem not downloading.
21:00:01nikoscmusic: OK.  Do this
21:00:06nikoscmusic: cd /tmp
21:00:22nikoscmusic: wget http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ipkg_0.9_arm.ipk
21:00:36nikoscmusic: wget http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ipkg-conf_unstable0-fam1_arm.ipk
21:00:43nikoscmusic: ipkg install ipkg_0.9_arm.ipk
21:01:01nikoscmusic: ipkg install ipkg-conf_unstable0-fam1_arm.ipk
21:01:01nikoscmusic: ipkg update
21:03:18cmusicnikos: the same behavior resulted.
21:03:48cmusicnikos: i'm gonna try to take to crl on monday and show it to jamie. nikos i appreciate your help alot man.
21:04:12nikoscmusic: OK.
21:04:12robbikaquick question
21:04:39nikoscmusic: I really think your filesystem must be corrupted, it's the only thing I can come up with.
21:04:50robbikais there a dual boot ce/linux out there that supports dual-pcmcia sleeve?
21:09:02nikosrobbika: What method did you have in mind?
21:10:41robbikaI've got a 1Gb microdrive. I followed instructions I found from Patrick Glennon but it appears to not work for the dual-pcmcia sleeve.
21:14:15cmusicnikos: okie, i'll upload the filesystem again.
21:14:44robbikanikos: if you've not seen it before, here is a link http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/intimate/2001-July/000068.html
21:16:07nikosrobbika: I can't speak to what does or does not work with Intimate, sorry.
21:16:48robbikaOK thanks.
23:01:58pattiejais away: home
23:49:27Disconnectis back, got sidetracked.

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