| 00:44:58 | skassam | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:02:57 | sgodsell_nb | is away: Bye |
| 05:10:47 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 12:24:00 | sgodsell | is back (gone 15:30:10) |
| 12:58:12 | nikos | Morning sjohnson |
| 12:58:23 | sjohnson | howdy nikos |
| 13:11:30 | EGg0 | is away: Running to school |
| 13:14:07 | EGg0_out | is back (gone 00:02:36) |
| 13:15:32 | pattieja | is back (gone 14:29:03) |
| 15:04:39 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 09:53:52) |
| 15:13:03 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 17:26:44 | DragonEagle | is away: errand |
| 17:42:58 | torkel | what's new? |
| 17:43:19 | [mike] | Linux on an iPaq definitely rules |
| 17:43:35 | torkel | why? |
| 17:43:42 | [mike] | only have one RFE... woudl it be possible to have the boot messages scrolling on the screen at startup? |
| 17:44:34 | torkel | would it not be a simple matter of setting the console to the framebuffer? |
| 17:44:48 | [mike] | maybe... |
| 17:44:55 | [mike] | I will look into that later on ;) |
| 17:45:15 | [mike] | an another question... is there an ebook reader for iPaq/QPE? |
| 17:45:46 | torkel | what format ebook? |
| 17:46:12 | [mike] | gutenberg |
| 17:46:27 | [mike] | plain old text... sthg like kgutenbook would be nice |
| 17:46:52 | torkel | that is plain text, isn't it? Doesn't konqueror render that in a readable way? |
| 17:47:35 | [mike] | it should, but I wanted the 'bookmark' possiblities of kgutenbooks and the like |
| 17:48:42 | torkel | yes, that would be nice. How are the texts in gutenberg arranged? One big text file, or a file per chapter/section? |
| 17:48:50 | [mike] | one big text file |
| 17:48:58 | [mike] | mebe I'll try to port kgutenbook |
| 17:49:36 | [mike] | colleagues were so impressed byt familiar+qpe that they are now queuing for me to reflash their iPaq |
| 17:50:16 | torkel | wouldn't be too hard. And kind of useful. I would find/create a web gateway though, and possibly use wget -r to mirror it onto the ipaq for offline reading |
| 17:50:32 | [mike] | yep, would be nice |
| 17:50:41 | [mike] | and not too difficult to do, too |
| 17:51:14 | torkel | web browsers are very good at rendering text, scrolling, bookmarking and so on. |
| 17:51:28 | [mike] | yep, but not bookmarking inside a text file |
| 17:52:02 | torkel | That's why my web gateway would split the file up in sections. |
| 17:52:05 | torkel | ;) |
| 17:52:13 | [mike] | good idea in fact ;) |
| 17:52:34 | [mike] | wonders how many lines of bash/awk would be needed to achieve that |
| 17:53:01 | torkel | I kind of like the idea of dooing as much as possible inside the browser. Dillo in my case though. QPE is not for me |
| 17:53:08 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:26:23) |
| 17:53:33 | [mike] | I just love its looks, and it caused less problems than tinyX on my iPaq |
| 17:53:53 | torkel | tinyX? Isn't that thing dead long ago? |
| 17:54:10 | [mike] | hmm, which one is bundled with familiar v0.5? |
| 17:54:25 | [mike] | whatever it was, there was no way to have it properly calibrated |
| 17:54:46 | [mike] | the best calibration I had was off by 3-4 mm |
| 17:54:46 | torkel | XFree86 4.1.0 i figure |
| 17:55:48 | torkel | strange. Maybe a v0.5 problem? Haven't heard of it. |
| 17:56:18 | [mike] | I tried familiar 0.5, pocketlinux and familiar+qpe in a row |
| 17:56:31 | [mike] | only familiar with X had the problem |
| 17:58:31 | torkel | How much off was it in X before you calibrated it? |
| 17:58:43 | [mike] | over 6 mm |
| 17:59:16 | [mike] | I had to come from tap in the corner to hit menu and was unable to use the first entries in the menu |
| 17:59:38 | torkel | I calibrated mine once when i installed .4, and haven't had to mess with it since |
| 18:01:20 | [mike] | btw, I started doing an iPaq theme for the iPaq screenshot section of my site... still have to work a bit on some parts of the borders |
| 18:01:25 | [mike] | http://www.notageek.net |
| 18:03:07 | torkel | will look.. just installing tabbed view in mozilla... |
| 18:03:26 | [mike] | tabbed view is very cool and useful |
| 18:03:39 | sgodsell | hey mike, torkel, I just saw your question above stating how you would like to see the messages go by on the iPAQ screen. You can just change the linuxargs console entry |
| 18:04:00 | [mike] | sgodsell: thanks! |
| 18:04:00 | torkel | What should it be? |
| 18:04:16 | torkel | (not that i ever see them, because i never reboot the ipaq) |
| 18:04:38 | sgodsell | Well the default is set to console=ttySA0 in the bootldr |
| 18:04:47 | sgodsell | just remove it |
| 18:04:56 | [mike] | lol, so easy ;) |
| 18:05:11 | sgodsell | Oh if you have a mono iPAQ forget it |
| 18:05:28 | [mike] | sgodsell: in fact, that was a request from my customers... all 3630+ |
| 18:05:34 | Disconnect | alternately, add echo Whatever > /dev/vc/0 in /linuxrc and you'll see only the messages you want.. |
| 18:06:05 | torkel | The backlight is not on during boot, is it? |
| 18:06:09 | Disconnect | torkel: galeon. mozilla, with a decent browser wrapped around it ;) |
| 18:06:10 | [mike] | nope |
| 18:06:19 | Disconnect | torkel: its toggleable soon (new bootldr I think) |
| 18:06:23 | sgodsell | also if you want to visit the messages anytime just install dmesg on the iPAQ |
| 18:06:44 | [mike] | torkel: you can also try skipstone, nice moz based browser with tabbed view |
| 18:06:53 | torkel | Disconnect : galeon. Bah. It needs way to many updates of gnome for every new version |
| 18:07:33 | torkel | Hmm.. it seems me the multizilla wants mozilla-mail to be installed .. possibly also chatzilla. dang. |
| 18:07:50 | [mike] | torkel: go for skipstone ;) |
| 18:08:03 | torkel | url? |
| 18:08:09 | torkel | or freshmeat.net |
| 18:08:14 | [mike] | torkel: http://www.muhri.net/skipstone IIRC |
| 18:08:23 | torkel | thanks |
| 18:09:11 | Disconnect | torkel: updates of gnome? I just do apt-get install galeon and it grabs galeon (maybe 1-2 support packages like mozilla, usually not) and poof. |
| 18:09:15 | [mike] | torkel: it also offers crash-recovery (opera style) |
| 18:09:31 | torkel | Disconnect: 56k modem here. |
| 18:10:16 | torkel | [mike] : wouldn't it be better to never crash? |
| 18:10:19 | torkel | ;) |
| 18:10:29 | [mike] | torkel: agreed, but since it's moz based ;) |
| 18:10:59 | Disconnect | torkel: ditto, up until last week ;) run it overnight, or (what I usually did if it required a whole new mozilla) grab the packages onto the clik disk via the ipaq (cd /mnt/eclik ; wget ...) and take them home that way. |
| 18:11:18 | torkel | I think the culprit for me is that neither galeon nor (maybe) skipstone do https very well, especially with certificate authentication |
| 18:12:42 | Disconnect | right now (at least in deb-unstable) mozilla doesn't recognize any cert vendors. very odd, slightly annoying. |
| 18:13:32 | torkel | annoying indeed |
| 18:13:42 | torkel | But 0.9.4 seems to do so without complaining |
| 18:15:02 | torkel | the dorks that made 0.9.4 rpms didn't do a too good job. The bootstrap script had a serious typo and was tied to glibc >= 2.2 |
| 18:15:37 | torkel | (not the bs-script, but the mozilla binary) |
| 18:15:59 | torkel | Updating libc in the middle of the night is always fun :/ |
| 18:17:50 | nikos | is away: back in 20 or so |
| 18:19:12 | torkel | does qpe have an email client yet? |
| 18:29:06 | nikos | is back |
| 18:33:34 | torkel | i see that Andrew has made the amb. light sensor accessible through /proc ... is there anything that would benefit from using that? Or jus useful for logging the light conditions in your office? ;) |
| 18:34:53 | Disconnect | torkel: easy enough to write a daemon to auto adjust. once I get the new ts driver I may do it up in python real quick (with the one-interpreter-many-scripts library of course) |
| 18:36:20 | torkel | is there a way to make it less bright then 'minimum' in the current kernels? |
| 18:36:53 | Disconnect | torkel: not w/o the new driver. the new driver allows for a better range -and- a max setting that it'll never go past. |
| 18:37:50 | torkel | that's good. I find minimum a bit overly bright in anything but daylight |
| 18:39:04 | Disconnect | yah. |
| 18:39:09 | Disconnect | try reading with it before bed some time ;) |
| 18:39:45 | Disconnect | finds it very handy in the not-stepping-on-cats-while-headed-to-bathroom department. not so handy in the reading-close-w/o-contacts-before-sleep department. |
| 18:40:00 | torkel | i remember the first time i fired the gadget up in a dark room. Looked like a ufo was landing in my bedroom |
| 18:40:07 | Disconnect | hehhee |
| 18:40:59 | Disconnect | isn't kidding about the cat-avoidance features. unfortunately at night I read more often than I pee, so its not as useful as it sounds. ;) |
| 18:41:14 | torkel | i usually use my cell phone for darkness guidance. The baclight of my nokia is a bit too dim though. My old 688 was better ;) |
| 18:41:47 | Disconnect | has a samsung flippy-thing. decent, but not as good as the ipaq. |
| 18:43:16 | torkel | on the topic of cell phones.. i would really like some kind of cable or bluetooth. Having to line up the ir eyes really annoy me, and it's especially hard when you are walking around |
| 18:43:25 | torkel | ... unless you have three hands |
| 18:44:22 | Disconnect | torkel: grab the cable. cheap most places for most phones ($20 or so) .. then adapting to ipaq .. easiest way is the serial sync cable (possibly w/ null modem and/or gender-bender) |
| 18:46:32 | torkel | $20 + $50 for cables.. feels like i would like to spend that on bluetooth instead |
| 18:47:21 | torkel | An idea i got today was strapping the phone onto the back of the ipaq somehow, and use a dentist-mirror kind of thing to reflect the ir to the phones eye |
| 18:47:21 | Disconnect | is also fond of the 802.11b ad-hoc method -- laptop (libretto in my case) secreted about your person/backpack/etc w/ cable to phone and wireless card. ipaq w/ wireless card (and in my case, sometimes, nfsroot-intimate) .. just don't get more than 100 meters from backpack (ESP w/ nfsroot. it dislikes losing signal ;) ..) |
| 18:48:28 | Disconnect | never did that w/ a cell, but it worked great w/ the ricochet. |
| 18:48:54 | torkel | ricochet has folded, right? |
| 18:49:13 | Disconnect | yep. reactivated in manhattan for the rescue workers, but thats it. |
| 18:49:43 | torkel | What is (was) the speed of it? |
| 18:50:45 | Disconnect | depends on where you were. 2kB-5kB/sec most places, 128kb in their "high speed" network. (they said 28.8 modem .. that was usually the low end of what I got, except at home where I'd be orgasmic to get >100 bytes/sec for more than 10 seconds.) |
| 18:51:01 | torkel | GPRS is getting more and more popular here. With mobile positioning, it also kind of eliminates the need for a GPS |
| 18:51:56 | torkel | it is around 9.6-40 kbit.. but soo expensive |
| 18:54:50 | Disconnect | cool. everything is expensive tho. |
| 18:55:35 | torkel | yes, but paying $20 just to download a few mails is a bit steep |
| 18:56:42 | torkel | it's about $5-10 per Mb here. But i figure it'll go down sometime |
| 18:58:50 | Disconnect | ah. I'm used to flat rate (ricochet was $50/mo, plus $10 to rent the gear and $5 for theft/loss protection.. or buy the 28.8k gear for $300 or so and get screwed on the 128k network ;) ..) |
| 19:00:36 | torkel | flat rate makes sense. Charging per byte makes me almost as mad as per-seat licensing on things. |
| 19:00:51 | Disconnect | heh |
| 19:01:15 | torkel | Electrons are free. |
| 19:02:48 | torkel | I don't think i liked this tabbed view. It's like having a window manager that can't show more than one window at the time |
| 19:03:06 | torkel | + it was quite ugly. |
| 19:03:37 | torkel | and seems to break html rendering too (looking at slashdot) |
| 19:04:27 | torkel | or is slashdot broken right now? |
| 19:08:43 | torkel | nope |
| 19:08:54 | torkel | is uninstalling mozilla |
| 19:16:43 | EGg0 | is away: going to www.aerotaxi.com |
| 19:45:58 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 20:05:29 | tarball | äh, |
| 20:05:55 | tarball | I have some problems with my Brick! Someone in here? |
| 20:06:05 | nikos | tarball: What's going on? |
| 20:06:21 | nikos | tarball: Careful with the use of the term 'Brick'. ;) |
| 20:06:28 | tarball | I flashed the bootloadre of 0.5 pre following the instructions.. |
| 20:06:58 | tarball | after the reboot, no splash screen but a fast blinking green Led *ohoh* |
| 20:07:38 | nikos | tarball: Nothing on the serial console? |
| 20:07:42 | tarball | nada |
| 20:07:49 | tarball | what means the led? |
| 20:08:37 | nikos | tarball: I haven't used 2.15.15 yet, I'm trying to round you up some help. |
| 20:08:47 | tarball | that would be nice... |
| 20:08:56 | tarball | *frightened* |
| 20:09:13 | sjohnson | tarball: It's trying to boot. The LCD screen is turned off and the blicking LED means the bootldr is scanning JFFS2 for the kenel zImage file. |
| 20:09:27 | nikos | tarball: Just relax, as a first step double and triple check your terminal settings, 115200 8-N-1, NO FLOW CONTROL. |
| 20:09:38 | sjohnson | The LCD screen is turned off so the jffs2 scan goes faster. |
| 20:09:47 | nikos | sjohnson: So it doesn't prompt to hit a button anymore? |
| 20:09:59 | pattieja | tarball: when you rebooted, did the penguin appear? |
| 20:10:02 | sjohnson | And hit space bar not enter. If you hit enter it tried to boot. |
| 20:10:11 | sjohnson | With no prompt. |
| 20:10:29 | tarball | i guess there is no penguin like in 2.xxx? |
| 20:10:36 | tarball | what a shock! |
| 20:10:41 | nikos | tarball: AFter checking your settings, reset the ipaq with the button on the bottom, and hit the space bar repeatedly. |
| 20:10:48 | nikos | tarball: The LCD was causing flashing problems on some units. |
| 20:10:53 | pattieja | there should be a penguin with the OHH loader CRL, etc. and choose Q to boot or wait |
| 20:10:54 | sjohnson | THe splash screen it the same. |
| 20:11:05 | nikos | sjohnson: Ah, so it's just the Frontlight off? |
| 20:11:15 | nikos | tarball: Are you in a dark room? |
| 20:11:31 | nikos | tarball: Be sure to have plenty of light on the LCD. |
| 20:11:40 | tarball | ok , i'll try it..(the winlapto is in the other room, one moment..) |
| 20:12:16 | sgodsell | Sorry guys I was about to go |
| 20:12:17 | sjohnson | nikos: After a reset the 2.15.x bootldr should behavious the same as 2.14.x bootldrs. |
| 20:12:27 | sgodsell | I saw tarballs delema |
| 20:12:46 | sgodsell | Do you by chance have 2.15.17 bootldr instead? |
| 20:13:02 | nikos | sgodsell: Good question, I was just assuming 2.15.15. |
| 20:13:03 | sgodsell | This is normal behaviour for that bootldr |
| 20:13:14 | nikos | sgodsell: What changed from 2.15.15 to 2.15.17? |
| 20:13:22 | sjohnson | sgodsell: No splash screen? |
| 20:13:34 | sgodsell | Mine will not come back to me until the dam thing has read my ipaq |
| 20:13:44 | sgodsell | then the light changes back to yellow |
| 20:13:51 | nikos | tarball: What version bootloader did you flash? |
| 20:13:52 | sgodsell | no splah |
| 20:13:55 | sgodsell | no splah |
| 20:13:58 | sgodsell | no splash |
| 20:14:00 | sgodsell | ahhh |
| 20:14:05 | nikos | splah to you too. |
| 20:14:18 | sgodsell | hehehe |
| 20:14:27 | tarball | ok. there's really no penguin, but the boot prompt is back. seems like the screen is turned off.. |
| 20:14:39 | nikos | tarball: What bootloader version? |
| 20:14:42 | sgodsell | type in splash |
| 20:14:44 | tarball | should I just go ahead with the install? |
| 20:14:49 | sgodsell | then the screen comes up |
| 20:14:52 | sgodsell | tada |
| 20:14:57 | nikos | tarball: What does 'ver' return? |
| 20:15:00 | tarball | one moment ;-) *runs* |
| 20:15:15 | nikos | sgodsell: Best to have it off at this point anyway. |
| 20:15:44 | tarball | ahh the lovely penguin ;-) |
| 20:15:51 | tarball | splash worked.. |
| 20:15:56 | sjohnson | 2.15.17 |
| 20:16:04 | tarball | 2.1515 was the version I flashed.. |
| 20:16:09 | tarball | ? |
| 20:16:10 | nikos | hmm. |
| 20:16:15 | sgodsell | Hmmm |
| 20:16:18 | tarball | doesn't matter.. |
| 20:16:20 | nikos | tarball: Best to have it off while flashing anyway. |
| 20:16:30 | tarball | tempreature? |
| 20:16:32 | sjohnson | lcdoff will turn if off again. |
| 20:16:33 | nikos | tarball: Yeah |
| 20:16:41 | tarball | ok.. |
| 20:16:50 | tarball | I'll go ahead.. |
| 20:16:58 | sgodsell | okay see you guys later |
| 20:17:00 | tarball | thank you very much all! |
| 20:17:06 | sgodsell | bye |
| 20:17:09 | tarball | bye |
| 20:17:10 | sjohnson | sgodsell: Thanks for the info |
| 20:17:35 | tarball | yes |
| 20:17:59 | tarball | have a nice day over there..cya |
| 20:21:57 | nikos | Thanks guys. |
| 20:22:00 | nikos | Good work. |
| 20:56:19 | [mike] | gnite guys |
| 21:11:31 | pattieja | is away: bible study + dinner (mmmm) |