| 00:00:08 | DragonEagle | is away: no, the server is lying again |
| 01:37:41 | DragonEagle | is away: Monkeybone |
| 04:27:30 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 04:36:45 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiab |
| 05:42:21 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 05:53:34 | | hi |
| 05:53:34 | DragonEagle | ibot say hi |
| 06:10:20 | Bub | i know it's off topic, but anyone here good with criminal law? |
| 06:10:48 | DragonEagle | I used to work law, but it's been a while |
| 06:11:18 | Bub | i had a problem today with a very agressive dude, i handled it okay, but i want to know what i can get away with if it happens again |
| 06:11:51 | DragonEagle | what state? |
| 06:12:28 | Bub | he was insigating a fight with me, being very verbaly abusive, using mainly profanity, i have no idea who he is, we was drunk and on steriods, doing hand stands to show off |
| 06:12:30 | Bub | canada |
| 06:12:40 | DragonEagle | not 100% sure....... |
| 06:12:46 | Bub | he followed me |
| 06:12:54 | Bub | wouldn't shut up or go away |
| 06:13:03 | Bub | i talked to him the way he talked to me |
| 06:13:09 | Bub | but he wouldn't touch me |
| 06:13:28 | DragonEagle | in that senario, it is best to try to get into a public place where |
| 06:13:34 | Bub | it was |
| 06:13:38 | Bub | 20 ppl were watching |
| 06:13:46 | Bub | at the train station |
| 06:14:20 | DragonEagle | without an act of aggression, the best you can do is try to draw attention to him |
| 06:14:27 | Bub | i did |
| 06:14:43 | sjohnson | It's best just to do nothing but be alert. |
| 06:14:44 | Bub | i didn't make it a quite arguement, and neither did he |
| 06:15:02 | Bub | he was just being totaly ignorant |
| 06:15:12 | DragonEagle | then you handled it properly since he wouldn't just let you walk away |
| 06:15:22 | DragonEagle | another option is to just not respond |
| 06:15:22 | Bub | chalenging me to hit him, without touching me |
| 06:15:39 | Bub | i kept walking away, he followed |
| 06:15:47 | Bub | he started it |
| 06:16:19 | DragonEagle | you can leagly only use that if there is aggression (in the states) and then only as long as you're in danger |
| 06:16:46 | Bub | he ran by me, cut me off, shut the door behind him while i was a few feet away. i didn't care. as he did a hand stand on the escilator, he said sorry, i didn't care. when he got to the top he gave me the finger and began the profanity |
| 06:17:17 | sjohnson | DragonEagle: That various. In some locals it OK if your "feel" your are in imminent danger. |
| 06:17:23 | Bub | i replied with profanity |
| 06:17:33 | sjohnson | s/various/varys/ |
| 06:17:35 | Bub | so |
| 06:17:45 | DragonEagle | never stoop to their level |
| 06:18:06 | Bub | from what i've been told, if i told him not to follow me, and he does, i can hit him. does that sound right? |
| 06:18:41 | DragonEagle | that depends on Canadian law, you don't want to get charged with assult for defending yourself |
| 06:19:01 | Bub | he was extreamly verbaly abusive |
| 06:19:08 | DragonEagle | sjohnson, but only as long as it's conceivable for the person to be a threat |
| 06:19:12 | Bub | for absolutly no reason |
| 06:19:56 | DragonEagle | I had a similar problem a couple of weeks ago, the best action I could think to take was to keep walking and ignore them |
| 06:20:04 | Bub | i thought he was going to follow me home, cause he got on my train |
| 06:20:11 | Bub | i did that |
| 06:20:17 | Bub | but i preffered to hit him |
| 06:20:30 | Bub | cause i don't want to be charged with assault |
| 06:20:44 | Bub | but he wouldn't touch me |
| 06:21:04 | sjohnson | Bub: Don't EVER do that. That will leave your wide open to criminal and civil complaints. Not worth it. |
| 06:21:10 | Bub | it was very stressfull |
| 06:21:14 | DragonEagle | I normaly do like I was ordered in the Army, 3 warnings then open filre/start swinging/kicking whatever |
| 06:21:33 | Bub | i'm told not to threaten them |
| 06:21:34 | DragonEagle | but I make sure there are witnesses |
| 06:21:49 | DragonEagle | you don't, just say leave me alone |
| 06:21:52 | sjohnson | Bub: It it get too bad, call the police or equivalent. |
| 06:22:26 | Bub | it didn't cross my mind, i could have hit the help button at the train station and told them a guy on steriods was treatening me |
| 06:22:53 | Bub | they had it on camera |
| 06:23:03 | Bub | and lots of witnesses |
| 06:23:08 | Bub | he started it |
| 06:23:30 | Bub | he made it look like we knew eachother |
| 06:23:43 | Bub | like friends argueing |
| 06:25:10 | sjohnson | He sounds like he's a trouble maker. It looks like the knew where the limit was. |
| 06:26:01 | DragonEagle | people like that bother me, they get off by causing trouble |
| 06:26:09 | Bub | well |
| 06:26:17 | Bub | he tried to scare me and it didn't work |
| 06:26:27 | Bub | he still lost |
| 06:26:40 | Bub | i never backed away, i walked away |
| 06:26:57 | Bub | told him i don't have time for this |
| 06:27:50 | sjohnson | Bub: It's best just to ignore them. He probably gets his kicks by see how far he can push people. |
| 06:28:00 | Bub | he was on drugs |
| 06:28:03 | Bub | bad ones |
| 06:28:13 | Bub | he was totaly wired |
| 06:28:22 | Bub | thought he was god |
| 06:28:52 | DragonEagle | 10' tall and bulletproof |
| 06:29:07 | sjohnson | Best to let the police handle it where possible. |
| 06:29:07 | Bub | 50 pounds heavier then me |
| 06:29:25 | Bub | i typicaly avoid police, that's why i didn't hit him |
| 06:30:23 | Bub | he wasn't athetic enough to be standing on his hands |
| 06:30:42 | sjohnson | I don't know Canadian law, but in the states if you hit first, your open to being sued. |
| 06:30:45 | Bub | when he wakes up he won't be able to move his arms |
| 06:31:13 | Bub | but he's god for a day |
| 06:31:31 | DragonEagle | and when he crashes, he'll crash hard |
| 06:32:13 | Bub | he won't be very functional for a couple weeks |
| 06:32:28 | Bub | unless more drugs, which will increase the repair time |
| 06:32:28 | DragonEagle | sucks to be him |
| 06:32:53 | Bub | i've done what he did today |
| 06:32:56 | Bub | in a gym |
| 06:33:05 | Bub | ripped every mussel |
| 06:33:15 | Bub | next day you can get out of bed |
| 06:33:19 | Bub | can't |
| 06:34:35 | Bub | main reason i wanted to hit him was to show him even with steriods stregth comes from within |
| 06:35:39 | Bub | make him never use them again |
| 06:36:09 | DragonEagle | that would never work, too hyped up to care |
| 06:36:31 | Bub | day after he might reconcider steriod's usefullness |
| 06:39:15 | Bub | it made him feel like a million bucks cause he could run and stand on his hands |
| 06:39:52 | Bub | and brought out his ignorance |
| 06:40:05 | Bub | his logic |
| 06:40:14 | Bub | was lost |
| 06:40:56 | sjohnson | is away: off to bed |
| 06:41:02 | Bub | i'm happy he didn't follow me home |
| 06:41:11 | Bub | i think he thought about it |
| 06:41:19 | Bub | cause he got on my train |
| 06:41:26 | Bub | and got off at my station |
| 06:41:59 | DragonEagle | well, at least he didn't follow you and you're safe |
| 06:42:07 | Bub | i wasn't going to let him learn where i live |
| 06:42:23 | Bub | that would be very bad |
| 06:43:21 | Bub | i was just always expecting teens to cause me problems in public, now i see it's wide open |
| 06:43:34 | Bub | and worse then i thought |
| 06:46:27 | Bub | i work with ignorant ppl, but this was drug induced ignorance |
| 06:46:33 | Bub | much different |
| 06:46:39 | Bub | less logic |
| 06:47:40 | Bub | anyway |
| 06:47:51 | Bub | i saw the ipaq on tv |
| 06:47:59 | DragonEagle | cool, do you feel better? |
| 06:48:07 | Bub | they had a cell phone adapter |
| 06:48:16 | DragonEagle | gimme gimme gimme |
| 06:48:28 | Bub | compared to a wireless modem, how much do they cost? |
| 06:48:36 | DragonEagle | ? |
| 06:48:38 | Bub | it looked like a compact flash device |
| 06:48:51 | Bub | with a fax link to a cell phone |
| 06:48:54 | DragonEagle | probably about 100+ |
| 06:49:54 | Bub | so, this card, plus a cell phone, is less then a wireless modem |
| 06:49:59 | Bub | in cost |
| 06:50:07 | DragonEagle | + a cell phone? |
| 06:50:12 | DragonEagle | $00+ |
| 06:50:15 | Bub | i don't have a cell phone |
| 06:50:16 | DragonEagle | $200+ |
| 06:50:33 | Bub | the nice cell i saw didn't have fax |
| 06:50:39 | Bub | for $150 |
| 06:50:43 | Bub | samsung |
| 06:50:57 | Bub | canadian |
| 06:51:00 | Bub | money |
| 06:51:31 | DragonEagle | ok, the modem itself is probably around 100-150 + the cost of the phone |
| 06:51:51 | Bub | wireless modem here is like $600+ |
| 06:52:03 | Bub | more likely $800 |
| 06:52:16 | DragonEagle | ouch |
| 06:52:23 | DragonEagle | but you're probably right |
| 06:53:23 | Bub | i could use a cell |
| 06:53:31 | Bub | air time is a problem |
| 06:53:35 | Bub | have to pay for it |
| 06:53:50 | Bub | and i like 24/7 connections |
| 06:54:06 | Bub | wireless modem is very small |
| 06:54:06 | DragonEagle | sounds expensive :[ |
| 06:54:19 | Bub | that's why it costs more |
| 06:55:35 | Bub | pcmcia |
| 06:56:03 | Bub | looks like in a couple weeks i could finaly inherit a resort property |
| 06:56:07 | Bub | 3 years late |
| 06:56:16 | Bub | but now winter is comming |
| 06:56:23 | Bub | so i dout i can sell it |
| 06:56:33 | Bub | for what it's worth |
| 06:56:47 | Bub | i think it's like 40k |
| 06:58:27 | Bub | minus 5k for laywer and real estate agent |
| 06:59:35 | Bub | i have to fix it all up before i sell it, to get max value, and i want the ppl to move in without having to fix anything, just bring their stuff |
| 07:01:34 | Bub | it would give me enough money to pay all my debts, get every ipaq accessory i want, and have down payment for a house |
| 07:01:53 | DragonEagle | lol |
| 07:03:11 | Bub | i'd like a leptop |
| 07:03:14 | Bub | laptop |
| 07:03:50 | Bub | need to design an ipaq case |
| 07:03:57 | Bub | i know a leather dude |
| 07:04:08 | Bub | i saw his shit and he's pretty good |
| 07:04:39 | Bub | an alloy case covered in leather |
| 07:04:51 | Bub | maybe $100 total |
| 07:05:10 | Bub | with machinist to make the box |
| 07:05:25 | Bub | and measure the ipaq and leather thickness |
| 07:06:19 | Bub | so decent abuse can come to the case, and the ipaq is fine |
| 07:06:43 | Bub | like being steped on |
| 07:07:26 | DragonEagle | I've been wanting something like that |
| 07:07:27 | Bub | i don't have a beifcase |
| 07:07:36 | Bub | just a backpack |
| 07:07:43 | Bub | or pocket |
| 07:08:13 | Bub | an alloy case can be pretty good |
| 07:08:30 | Bub | with good design it can withstand a car driving over it |
| 07:08:41 | Bub | and be lite |
| 07:09:19 | Bub | trust me, i'll make one |
| 07:09:33 | Bub | i'll make instructions |
| 07:09:43 | DragonEagle | pelase |
| 07:11:23 | Bub | i need to find out how much titanuim is worth |
| 07:11:29 | Bub | as far as i know it's the best |
| 07:11:47 | Bub | i saw ships being built on tv |
| 07:11:49 | DragonEagle | alot |
| 07:12:15 | Bub | they use kevlar for fiberglass because it's penetration resistant |
| 07:12:38 | Bub | doesn't help the ipaq |
| 07:12:53 | Bub | but i'm looking for waterproof kevlar boots |
| 07:13:50 | Bub | steel is still harder then titanium |
| 07:13:57 | Bub | but way heavier |
| 07:16:05 | Bub | it's not easy getting the dual slot pc card pack to canada yo |
| 07:16:33 | Bub | i can't find anyone who sells it |
| 07:16:39 | Bub | i don't have cash |
| 07:16:42 | Bub | just credit |
| 07:17:14 | Bub | or any accessories |
| 07:17:27 | Bub | they can order some shit |
| 07:17:33 | Bub | compusmart |
| 07:17:38 | Bub | nice ppl |
| 07:17:54 | DragonEagle | can't you order online? |
| 07:17:58 | Bub | get more for ipaq then anyone else i see |
| 07:18:04 | Bub | from who? |
| 07:18:12 | DragonEagle | cdw |
| 07:18:21 | DragonEagle | to throw one out |
| 07:18:43 | Bub | on approved credit? |
| 07:18:55 | DragonEagle | you have a credit card? |
| 07:19:08 | Bub | i can get a dual slot pc card pack from the US? |
| 07:19:14 | Bub | ya, but it's maxed |
| 07:19:19 | DragonEagle | oh |
| 07:19:24 | Bub | :) |
| 07:19:54 | Bub | i got lots of cards |
| 07:19:58 | Bub | all maxed |
| 07:20:06 | Bub | i pay them |
| 07:20:20 | Bub | so it's all cool |
| 07:20:37 | Bub | building credit |
| 07:21:00 | DragonEagle | yeah, mine's maxxed too |
| 07:21:08 | DragonEagle | and I only have one thanks to my ex |
| 07:21:26 | Bub | i only buy the best |
| 07:21:37 | Bub | if i can't afford it, i dont get it |
| 07:21:46 | Bub | the best dog food |
| 07:21:53 | Bub | best beer |
| 07:22:00 | Bub | best handheld |
| 07:22:25 | DragonEagle | ooh, please don't mention beer |
| 07:22:44 | Bub | ? |
| 07:23:16 | DragonEagle | recovering alcoholic |
| 07:24:20 | Bub | i find good stuff last longer, and're happier with it while you own it |
| 07:24:45 | DragonEagle | yep |
| 07:24:57 | Bub | the boots i want are for work |
| 07:25:07 | Bub | i want kevlar fireman boots |
| 07:25:28 | DragonEagle | Bub: I need to hit the rack, I will chat with you tomorrow |
| 07:25:29 | Bub | cause i'm tired of $40 rubber boots |
| 07:25:45 | Bub | get holes first day |
| 07:26:06 | Bub | i'll pay $400 for boots that arm good for 10 years |
| 07:26:18 | Bub | k |
| 07:26:20 | Bub | night |
| 07:26:28 | DragonEagle | night |
| 07:28:01 | SleepingDragon | is away: good night all |
| 16:16:50 | volkam | hrm |
| 16:17:04 | volkam | What is the best ipaq to buy for putting linux on it. |
| 16:44:08 | BrianR | I got nice linksys wlan card... |
| 16:58:44 | BrianR | Hmm.. this linksys card detects as a cardmgr[82]: socket 0: Compaq WL110 PC Card |
| 16:58:49 | BrianR | but I get a ton of errors trhereafter. |
| 16:58:59 | BrianR | isn't that card supposed to use the wlan-ng driver? |
| 16:59:33 | BrianR | wvlan_cs: eth0 Tx timed out! Resetting card |
| 16:59:33 | BrianR | wvlan_cs: MAC address on eth0 is 00 00 00 00 00 00 |
| 16:59:35 | BrianR | wvlan_cs: Initialization failed! |
| 17:24:15 | BBrox | http://www.lifeview.com.tw/web_english/fly_jacket.html |
| 17:37:26 | mallum | is away: dinner |
| 18:11:38 | DragonEagle | is away: kernel reconfit brr |
| 19:11:25 | sjohnson | is away: BRB |
| 19:18:02 | sjohnson | is back (gone 12:37:06) |
| 20:51:24 | FooBar123123 | I'm having problems using OSloader to load a bootldr on my iPAQ |
| 20:51:44 | Bub | how do you mean? |
| 20:53:05 | FooBar123123 | Apparently, a "params reset" was done from the initial OSloader bootldr session, causing subsequent "load bootldr" attempts to fail. I get the following output when I try load bootldr: |
| 20:53:15 | FooBar123123 | boot> load bootldr |
| 20:53:15 | FooBar123123 | loading flash region bootldr |
| 20:53:15 | FooBar123123 | get_param: could not find parameter xmodem |
| 20:53:15 | FooBar123123 | using xmodem |
| 20:53:15 | FooBar123123 | ready for xmodem download.. |
| 20:53:15 | FooBar123123 | Download Successful |
| 20:53:17 | FooBar123123 | 00019780 bytes loaded to C0000400 |
| 20:53:19 | FooBar123123 | get_param: could not find parameter noerase |
| 20:53:21 | FooBar123123 | BSD sum value is: 00000000 |
| 20:53:23 | FooBar123123 | programming flash...writing flash.. |
| 20:53:25 | FooBar123123 | addr: 00000000 data: EA00008E |
| 20:53:27 | FooBar123123 | addr: 00010000 data: E1A00004 |
| 20:53:29 | FooBar123123 | verifying ... error programming fl |
| 20:53:31 | FooBar123123 | src=EA00000Breset |
| 20:53:33 | FooBar123123 | flash=00000000 params to defau |
| 20:53:35 | FooBar123123 | not checking any more locations |
| 20:54:36 | FooBar123123 | cut and paste error, ignore the "reset" and " params to defau" tail end of lines above |
| 20:55:53 | Bub | okay |
| 20:56:05 | Bub | is it pluged into the wall? |
| 20:56:09 | FooBar123123 | yes |
| 20:56:22 | Bub | i don't know how to help you, but don't turn it off |
| 20:56:28 | FooBar123123 | yep :) |
| 20:56:33 | Bub | try #handhelds.org and #familiar |
| 20:56:38 | FooBar123123 | ok thanks |
| 21:13:16 | mallum | is back (gone 03:35:49) |
| 22:33:48 | DragonEagle | is away: dinner |