| 00:40:24 | DevWild | BZFlag: nothing I was just going to check the weather. and I was wondering what it was based on, but found it (infobot I assume) |
| 00:43:11 | DevWild | re: catch23, but of course :) |
| 00:43:19 | DevWild | (yes I know he's gone :) |
| 00:43:56 | DevWild | bitchx, screen, zsh, all highly customized, from scratch. |
| 00:44:02 | DevWild | makes tty's happy :) |
| 00:44:34 | DevWild | and makes it damn near impossible to work on a sparc 5 :) |
| 00:45:43 | DevWild | oooh, hungry, must hunt food |
| 01:16:50 | Grey | hey guys is there linux for the jornada |
| 01:16:58 | Grey | ! |
| 01:16:59 | Grey | ! |
| 01:30:45 | BZFlag | Grey: some jornadas yes. depends on the model. |
| 01:31:01 | BZFlag | has an unreleased model that runs linux out of the box. ;-) |
| 01:31:05 | Grey | i have a 820 |
| 01:31:27 | BZFlag | ibot search google for jornada 820 linux |
| 01:31:34 | | BZFlag: Google says jornada 820 linux is http://mailman.bok.net/pipermail/linuxce-devel/2000-November/002772.html or http://mailman.bok.net/pipermail/linuxce-devel/2000-November/002766.html or http://www.armlinux.org/pipermail/armlinux-newbie/2000-November/000137.html |
| 01:31:52 | Grey | ok !! |
| 01:33:55 | Grey | how about one on the Phenom ? |
| 01:35:36 | BZFlag | http://ezc.ath.cx/redhtlinux/sh3/lg.html |
| 01:50:12 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | greetings |
| 02:42:49 | BrianR__ | hey folks. |
| 02:43:44 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | hey |
| 03:13:37 | BrianR__ | Anyone alive in here? |
| 03:13:44 | dneuer | barely |
| 03:13:48 | BrianR__ | heh |
| 03:13:59 | BrianR__ | I'm thking of getting an ipaq soon. |
| 03:14:09 | BrianR__ | work gives us $1k/year to spend on a pda / wireless toy |
| 03:14:33 | dneuer | BrianR__: cool, wish I could say the same |
| 03:14:36 | cmarqu[XXX1302] | cool work |
| 03:14:46 | BrianR__ | Oh. And they pay for wireless service |
| 03:14:55 | BrianR__ | so the plan was to get an ipaq with a cdpd card |
| 03:17:00 | BrianR__ | and a large CF card so I can run a decent linux install.... |
| 03:17:28 | BrianR__ | or maybe a microdrive if I can afford one.. That'd put me above $1k |
| 07:37:48 | banshee762 | anyone alive in here tonight? |
| 07:38:22 | keithp | No, just suffering with a 3150. The display is terrible |
| 07:42:31 | banshee762 | damn.. think i broke my burner on slack8 |
| 07:57:29 | RoMoPAQ | hi :-) |
| 07:57:34 | RoMoPAQ | <= got his iPAQ |
| 07:58:11 | banshee762 | <= too broke for now to get one |
| 11:41:35 | banshee762 | who can give me a hell yea, linux comp on CNN showing xmms playing "pirated mp3's from napster" |
| 16:52:54 | dneuer | cworthTravel: you here? |
| 16:58:32 | RoMo | hi |
| 17:00:58 | dneuer | hi |
| 20:00:38 | nikos | is away: Service Call |
| 20:55:49 | nikos | is back |
| 21:24:57 | RoMo | is it possible to connect to an ce/ipaq via IP over the serial cradle ? |
| 21:26:48 | Kero | RoMo: sure, how do you suppose I got osloader.exe on the iPAQ otherwise? |
| 21:27:43 | RoMo | hm |
| 21:27:48 | RoMo | any how-to avail? |
| 21:54:47 | keithp | Anyone around who can tell me about the kernel support for various parts of the 31xx units? Is there code to talk to the backlight? |
| 21:56:06 | Bub | not i |
| 22:37:28 | mallum | is away: bedtime for me |
| 22:37:59 | willfe | Heh. There, that's better :) |
| 22:38:18 | willfe | Does Intimate work reasonably well with the dual PCMCIA sleeve? |
| 22:38:52 | willfe | I've gotten everything installed (and everything *seems* to install smoothly), but on reboot, if my microdrive is in either slot (i.e. when intimate boots), it dies right at the "SA 1100 clock" something or other line. |
| 22:38:58 | willfe | Locks up the iPaq hard :) |
| 22:44:10 | Nermal | hm |
| 22:44:48 | willfe | I'm firing it all back up now to give you an actually useful quote from the kernel :) |
| 22:44:55 | willfe | Instead of this vague "SA1100 clock thingy" :) |
| 22:45:42 | willfe | I do also notice a complaint about the devfs module not being available, and the devfs filesystem not being understood by the kernel. |
| 22:45:53 | willfe | I thought devfs wasn't being used anymore ... |
| 22:46:13 | willfe | Here we go. It dies right after printing "SA1100 Real Time Clock driver v1.00" |
| 22:47:03 | willfe | iPaq 3650 (64MB RAM, 16MB flash), whichever 2.4.6 kernel is referenced in the Wiki regarding dual PCMCIA sleeve, the dual PCMCIA sleeve attached, and an IBM 1GB microdrive in one of the slots (the other is empty). |
| 22:52:46 | willfe | It whines a bit about modules, too, but I only see complaints like "/etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/blah" |
| 22:53:02 | willfe | Precise kernel version is 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-fam4 |
| 22:53:38 | Bub | hmm |
| 22:54:00 | Bub | are you booting the 1GB or are you booting the rom? |
| 22:54:15 | Bub | i don't know about your question, i'm just wondering your setup |
| 22:54:29 | willfe | :) I was under the impression one had to boot from ROM ... |
| 22:54:35 | Bub | well |
| 22:54:38 | willfe | It's using linuxrc.intimate for its init... |
| 22:54:50 | Bub | the boot loader can be on the rom pointing to the !GB |
| 22:54:59 | willfe | So if the drive is installed during startup, it's loading from rom then firing up the disk. |
| 22:55:15 | Bub | 1GB |
| 22:55:29 | willfe | Short answer, "yeah, in a roundabout way, it's booting off the microdrive" :) |
| 22:55:33 | Bub | i want to do that with the 5GB toshiba drive |
| 22:55:49 | Bub | and wireless modem in the empty slot |
| 22:56:08 | willfe | I'm still miffed about that. The day after I got my 1GB microdrive, Toshiba has to go announce their 5GB drive in the same form factor >:) |
| 22:56:16 | Bub | me too |
| 22:56:17 | willfe | Yeah, I've got my WaveLAN ready to rock too. |
| 22:56:20 | willfe | That part works, at least :) |
| 22:56:36 | Bub | i bought the single slot pack 2 days before the dual was released, luckly i returned it |
| 22:56:56 | willfe | I need to have a look at linuxrc.intimate to see what it's trying to do during startup. Perhaps it's just poking that's irritable and unneeded :) |
| 22:57:22 | Bub | i'm a bsd guy, i don't have a linux box currently |
| 22:57:28 | willfe | :) |
| 22:57:30 | Bub | i'm laxy about such things |
| 22:57:33 | Bub | lazy |
| 22:57:36 | Bub | i like openbsd |
| 22:57:39 | Bub | also |
| 22:57:45 | willfe | I've still got to get a BSD installed on a box somewhere. I want to play with it :) |
| 22:57:54 | Bub | my compaq was hit by lightning, so i'm using my p90 now |
| 22:58:20 | willfe | Bub: Oh bummer! That sucks :( |
| 22:58:30 | Bub | i want to install slackware on it, but bsd doesn't like linux partition much |
| 22:58:56 | Bub | it's on warrenty and is barely paid for, so it's little loss to me even if they don't fix it |
| 22:59:49 | willfe | Hehehe |
| 23:00:16 | Bub | i took my 13GB hdd out of it incase they don't fix it |
| 23:00:27 | Bub | left the ethernet card though |
| 23:00:32 | Bub | they should fix it anyway |
| 23:01:05 | Bub | my ipaq has only the compaq warrenty |
| 23:01:12 | Bub | i need to get store warrenty |
| 23:01:16 | Bub | 3 years |
| 23:01:18 | willfe | Their warranty sucks? |
| 23:01:23 | willfe | (compaq's, that is) |
| 23:01:31 | Bub | i dout compaq would warrenty lightning |
| 23:01:36 | willfe | heh good point |
| 23:01:59 | Bub | store is more likely to |
| 23:02:08 | Bub | insurance is best though |
| 23:02:31 | Bub | i don't think it's too late |
| 23:02:38 | Bub | i can still get store warrenty |
| 23:03:01 | Bub | for like $200 for 3 years |
| 23:03:34 | Bub | canadian money |
| 23:04:15 | willfe | not bad |
| 23:04:19 | pisymbol | 'allo |
| 23:04:28 | Bub | hi |
| 23:04:40 | pisymbol | jacques: Is your 10Gb Toshy on order yet? :-) |
| 23:04:46 | pisymbol | Tangent: You still up? |
| 23:04:53 | pisymbol | Bub: 'allo |
| 23:05:15 | Bub | i was thinking with a 5GB drive i can boot a full unix and watch a full length movie on the same drive |
| 23:05:21 | Bub | 1GB isn't enough |
| 23:05:28 | Bub | 10GB is better yet |
| 23:06:43 | pisymbol | Bub: 1 Gb is PLENTY for dev purposes |
| 23:06:51 | Bub | ya |
| 23:06:52 | pisymbol | Bub: 5 Gb is good for both |
| 23:06:56 | Bub | but not for storage |
| 23:07:07 | pisymbol | Bub: 10 gigs you got a laptop equivalent |
| 23:07:22 | pisymbol | Bub: trade processing power for ultimate portability |
| 23:07:28 | Bub | my handheld is over twice as fast and twice the memory then the computer i'm on now has |
| 23:07:49 | Bub | p90, 32mb ram |
| 23:08:29 | Bub | ppl say it's just a handheld, i disagree, it's very powerfull |
| 23:08:57 | pisymbol | Bub: very powerful? |
| 23:09:12 | willfe | Heh. Right now I've got a paperweight with 1GB storage capacity :) |
| 23:09:12 | pisymbol | Bub: I'm on a 1.33 Ghz Thunderbird w/768 Mb RAM |
| 23:09:25 | pisymbol | Bub: Trust me - the iPAQ is slow as molasses compared to my desktop |
| 23:09:33 | willfe | :) |
| 23:09:43 | Bub | my fried compaq is a 800mhz duron, it's more then i need |
| 23:09:44 | pisymbol | Bub: It is however faster than my previous box of 133Mhz w/16 Mb ram |
| 23:10:15 | Bub | 320mb ram |
| 23:10:15 | pisymbol | Bub: I mean obviously the iPAQ is not terrible - but the problem of not being able to easily increase RAM is a major drawback |
| 23:10:31 | Bub | not at 200mhz |
| 23:10:35 | pisymbol | Bub: HD space is good for storage |
| 23:10:35 | Bub | 206 |
| 23:10:49 | Bub | you have 64MB ram and 64MB swap |
| 23:10:50 | pisymbol | Bub: Don't get me wrong - I LOVE my iPAQ |
| 23:11:03 | pisymbol | Bub: yea but you make it like its all used for swap |
| 23:11:24 | Bub | i don't use my puters that hard |
| 23:11:27 | pisymbol | Bub: Tangent recommends nothing more than 32 Mb for swap |
| 23:11:40 | willfe | Yeah I thought >32MB swap was bad... |
| 23:11:44 | Bub | for me the cpu would be the bottle neck, not the ram |
| 23:11:49 | pisymbol | Bub: I do but not the limit its spec'ed up too - computers are cheap these days - what are you going do? :-) |
| 23:12:08 | pisymbol | willfe: Yeah, well I never got into why that's the limit? |
| 23:12:15 | willfe | I dunno. |
| 23:12:20 | willfe | won't pretend to understand. |
| 23:12:28 | Bub | run ircd, and irc client, and watch movies and keep phone numbers |
| 23:12:29 | pisymbol | willfe: Though with a ~200 Mhz processor that's not that bad |
| 23:12:31 | Bub | and play music |
| 23:12:33 | willfe | I just know everyone's told me if I give it more than 32MB of swap, it emulates Windows :) |
| 23:12:33 | pisymbol | Bub: lol |
| 23:12:47 | Bub | like a mini puter should |
| 23:12:49 | willfe | just wishes he could make intimate boot :) |
| 23:12:53 | Bub | with the power of unix |
| 23:12:56 | pisymbol | Why doesn't initmate boot? |
| 23:13:00 | pisymbol | linux not unix |
| 23:13:07 | Bub | unix=clone |
| 23:13:08 | Bub | der |
| 23:13:09 | pisymbol | unix is another animal |
| 23:13:11 | Bub | unix-clone |
| 23:13:14 | pisymbol | yeha |
| 23:13:24 | Bub | like bsd |
| 23:13:32 | Bub | solaris |
| 23:13:34 | willfe | pisymbol: I don't fully understand that yet -- the last thing the kernel prints is "SA1100 Real Time Clock driver v1.00" then it locks hard. |
| 23:13:37 | Bub | aix |
| 23:13:39 | Bub | and such |
| 23:14:20 | pisymbol | wilfe: hmmm....what did you do? |
| 23:15:20 | pisymbol | brb |
| 23:17:30 | willfe | pisymbol: Well, here's the exact steps I followed :) |
| 23:17:49 | willfe | 1) From bootldr, loaded the new kernel (2.4.6-blah) |
| 23:18:04 | willfe | 2) From bootldr, loaded new Familiar image (base only) supporting that kernel. |
| 23:18:10 | willfe | 3) Booted. Got PPP attached. |
| 23:18:27 | willfe | 4) ipkg update then ipkg upgrade |
| 23:18:39 | willfe | 5) Ran the command line shown on intimate's site to start the installer. |
| 23:18:50 | willfe | 6) Except for saying "no" to the music :) I took the default answer for everything else. |
| 23:18:59 | willfe | 7) Rebooted. |
| 23:19:24 | willfe | 8) It died. It will die whenever I ask it to (er, I mean, whenever I put the microdrive in on startup) |
| 23:20:30 | willfe | If I boot it without the drive in the slot, it (familiar) comes up fine. |
| 23:20:42 | willfe | I can insert and mount the disk, use the wireless network card, etc. |
| 23:20:54 | willfe | Read/write to the disk, all that good stuff. |
| 23:20:58 | willfe | It's just when I try to boot intimate. |
| 23:34:35 | willfe | Okay, is the sa1100-rtc module required for intimate to run? |
| 23:35:00 | willfe | I know certain things die if the RTC isn't available, I just can't remember what they are :) |
| 23:37:20 | willfe | D'oh! |
| 23:37:38 | willfe | Now it makes it one step further: "apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x02 (Driver version 1.13)" before it dies :( |
| 23:38:23 | willfe | Dammit. This of course means it ain't a module (or at least, not the realtime clock)... |