| 00:06:01 | scottven | is having dns problems with the bootstrap familar. I have a working ppp conneciton and a resolv.conf that should work, but it can't resolve anything |
| 00:06:15 | scottven | any gotchya's that I might be missing? |
| 00:25:59 | jacques | maybe host PC not forwarding packets? |
| 00:36:35 | scottven | no it is. I can reach other machines by ip address. |
| 00:36:47 | scottven | I can even ssh into the nameserver by ip. |
| 00:38:25 | jacques | scottven: ok, a couple of other ppl had this exact problem |
| 00:38:36 | jacques | scottven: it was the filtering rules on their host PC |
| 00:40:14 | scottven | hmm. that could be it. |
| 00:40:33 | scottven | checks his firewall rules |
| 00:44:59 | scottven | woo! |
| 00:45:23 | jacques | i take it that was the problem |
| 00:45:26 | scottven | jacques: you rule |
| 00:45:44 | jacques | scottven: heh, I just hang around here and absorb info :-) |
| 01:04:19 | boodle | Can anyone help with a corrupt jffs image? Getting a jffs2 error about block 0x0 |
| 01:05:25 | jacques | boodle: dpes it look like this: jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00000000: 0x008e instead |
| 01:05:57 | boodle | jacques: no, here's the error |
| 01:06:26 | boodle | JFFS2: Erase block at 0x00000000 is not formatted. It will be erased |
| 01:06:26 | boodle | Cowardly refusing to erase blocks on filesystem with no valid JFFS2 nodes |
| 01:06:26 | boodle | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:00 |
| 01:07:08 | jacques | boodle: :-( |
| 01:07:12 | boodle | jacques: built a 2.4.6-rmk1-np2 kernel.. my partition is more than big enough for kernel.. an earlier build worked ok.. dunno why this one fails |
| 01:07:56 | boodle | jacques: is this basically unrecoverable? |
| 01:08:37 | jacques | boodle: seem to be a lot of those type problems going around right now |
| 01:08:47 | jacques | boodle: did you build that kernel? |
| 01:08:59 | boodle | jacques: ah.. yes built it myself. |
| 01:09:28 | boodle | jacques: I'm pretty sure there's still serious config settings issues with the default configs (arm/arch/def-configs).. |
| 01:09:40 | pkomarek | jacques: I think we need a special version of the ipaq with socketed flash ram, or with a bootloader stored on a rom |
| 01:13:58 | jacques | boodle: I think there are some issues with the new partition parsing configs in the kernel |
| 01:14:22 | jacques | boodle: now they have CRL partition parsing and Redboot partition parsing and who knows what else |
| 01:14:51 | jacques | boodle: if you don;t configure CRL partition parsing, if you have a nonstandard kernel partition (for example) you will have problems |
| 01:15:34 | boodle | jacques: yepper I agree.. I saw all the redboot refs too.. I left them in.. will try commenting them out |
| 01:28:30 | pisymbol | Tangent: You around? |
| 01:29:15 | pisymbol | hoping Tangent is not sleeping.....yet..... |
| 01:30:40 | pisymbol | sjohnson: Flipout got in contact with me...one of the founders/owners called me to appologize...very nice...he is giving me the keyboard case for free |
| 01:31:08 | pisymbol | Tangent? You there...I got a quick setup question....nothing too big... |
| 01:32:24 | sjohnson | pisymbol: That's great. I think that a bunch of thing went wrong with their move to new quarters. At least their own up to their mistakes and correct them. |
| 01:34:54 | | Tangent was last seen on #intimate 1 hours, 11 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: goes to bed... night all [Wed Jul 11 01:23:46 2001] |
| 01:34:54 | jacques | ibot: seen Tangent |
| 01:35:01 | pisymbol | sjohnson: Yeah |
| 01:35:09 | pisymbol | Damn it...I really need to get this keyboard working before tomorrow |
| 01:35:22 | pisymbol | Anyone setup the Targus with their iPAQ? |
| 01:35:49 | keithp | Yeah, it's working fine. Two things -- gotta run the keyboard app and gotta disable getty |
| 01:35:56 | pisymbol | sjohnson: They said it was just the fact that they screwed up. I told them that I want to recommend the case to my friends but I'm not satisfied with the whole process so far... |
| 01:36:11 | pisymbol | keithp: How do I setup? |
| 01:36:21 | pisymbol | keithp: What do I download? |
| 01:36:31 | pisymbol | sjohson: I think I mentioned you as a recommendation |
| 01:36:43 | pisymbol | sjohnson: You should ask for a free case or something....for the hassle.... |
| 01:36:44 | keithp | pisymbol: I'm running unstable, get stowaway-h3600 |
| 01:36:57 | pisymbol | keithp: source or package? |
| 01:37:08 | keithp | ipkg install stowaway-h3600 |
| 01:37:20 | ToyKeeper | http://www.xyzz.org/ipaq/gfx/screenshots/fitaly-2.png |
| 01:37:23 | pisymbol | keith: ooo...that sounds easy |
| 01:38:03 | jacques | keithp: !!! |
| 01:38:08 | jacques | faints dead away |
| 01:38:09 | keithp | Yeah, kinda scary. Then load the driver 'modprobe h3600_stowaway' |
| 01:38:20 | pisymbol | GEnan - that is awesome |
| 01:38:35 | sjohnson | ToyKeeper: Ye gads! What is that character on your root window? |
| 01:38:36 | pisymbol | That's it keithp: I |
| 01:38:38 | pisymbol | 'I'm done |
| 01:38:46 | pisymbol | Genan - hold crap that is nice nice nice |
| 01:38:54 | pisymbol | Shinjonee....aaa....zoobooo |
| 01:38:56 | jacques | keithp: if you have a minute I need to talk to you |
| 01:38:58 | keithp | is frustrated with the 2.4.3 sound driver - output is going strange when the machine goes idle' |
| 01:39:24 | keithp | jaques: yeah, I've got a minute, especially if anyone around here knows anything about the audio driver... |
| 01:39:49 | sjohnson | pisymbol: Next have to disable the getty by going to run level 4 - init 4 |
| 01:40:01 | pisymbol | alright |
| 01:40:12 | jacques | keithp: my ability to build Xipaq has been broken since june 29th |
| 01:40:13 | keithp | Cool, didn't know there was a special run level. I hacked inittab. |
| 01:40:34 | keithp | Hmm. Current XFree86 CVS builds OOTB these days. |
| 01:40:49 | sjohnson | Getty doesn't run at run level 4. |
| 01:40:56 | jacques | keithp: I strongly suspsect it has to do with the changes you made to kdrive on that day |
| 01:41:19 | sjohnson | pisymbol: Fire up the daemon (stowd, i think) and then type away. |
| 01:41:25 | keithp | jacques: that's likely; I probably checked in changes for multiple simultaneous mice. |
| 01:41:32 | jacques | keithp: it's looking for a type definition wihch simply does not exist, in any of the kernel source I can find |
| 01:41:46 | keithp | jacques: which type definition would that be? |
| 01:41:56 | jacques | keithp: just a sec, I will find it |
| 01:42:04 | boodle | keithp: idle weirdness a broad problem with 2.4.3 |
| 01:42:32 | keithp | boodle: ack. Any idea if it's better with 2.4.4 or later? I can't tune my harpsichord this way :-) |
| 01:42:51 | sjohnson | wonders how the Palm keyboard drivers determines if keyboard is present? |
| 01:43:13 | boodle | keithp: heh well I'd like to be able to say but I seem to have toasted my root jffs2 image trying 2.4.6 :( |
| 01:43:36 | keithp | boodle: cool. I assume you made the kernel partition large enough? |
| 01:43:37 | ToyKeeper | sjohnson: The background image is Gen-an from Samurai Showdown 2 for Neo-Geo. |
| 01:43:52 | jacques | keithp: In file included from kaa.c:25: |
| 01:43:53 | jacques | kdrive.h:546: parse error before `*' |
| 01:43:53 | jacques | kdrive.h:597: parse error before `TsFuncs' |
| 01:43:53 | jacques | kdrive.h:597: warning: data definition has no type or storage class |
| 01:44:05 | sjohnson | boodle: That's too bad. I just upgraded 2.4.6 and didn't have a problem. |
| 01:44:33 | boodle | keithp: yepper.. frustrating in that I did have it working (sort of.. complained about a missing module or 2) then I did a cvs update (did one 3 hrs earlier too) and got even newer updates and now toast :( |
| 01:44:48 | jacques | keithp: KdTsFuncs is not defined *anywhere* |
| 01:44:52 | keithp | jacques: Oops. Looks like it's prety busted. I'll fix it. |
| 01:44:52 | boodle | sjohnson: how do you setup your .config ? just use stock one for h3600-familiar? |
| 01:45:05 | jacques | keithp: thanks, I have been waiting for 11 days |
| 01:45:15 | jacques | keithp: :-D |
| 01:45:21 | sjohnson | boodle: I used a 3.4.6 binary that Jamey uploaded today. |
| 01:45:32 | sjohnson | Er, 2.4.6 |
| 01:45:45 | boodle | sjohnson: ah.. welp I may as well try that too at this point |
| 01:45:51 | jacques | keithp: at first I thought KdTsFuncs was defined in the kernel header files, but it's not |
| 01:46:38 | sjohnson | boodle: ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/demo/ |
| 01:46:44 | keithp | jacques: I changed the way input devices work, that type isn't needed anymore. I'll have it fixed in a couple of minutes. |
| 01:47:09 | jacques | keithp: great!! :-) |
| 01:47:13 | boodle | sjohnson: thanks |
| 01:50:16 | pisymbol | if you disconnect the udrive a crash - can you screw up your kernel? |
| 01:50:28 | pisymbol | I can't seem to boot up now |
| 01:51:13 | boodle | ugh.. same jffs2 complaint.. time to load root :( |
| 01:51:43 | sjohnson | pisymbol: How far do you got? |
| 01:51:52 | pisymbol | hold on.... |
| 01:52:01 | pisymbol | I'm waiting for minicom ouput |
| 01:52:02 | jacques | pisymbol: anything's possible for unprotected flash, but it's likely something else |
| 01:52:16 | pisymbol | okay - but fam boots up fine |
| 01:52:46 | jacques | keithp: look at it this way, now jg won't have any problems when he builds Xipaq with the screensaver extension |
| 01:53:02 | jacques | pisymbol: are you using reiserfs on your udrive? |
| 01:53:09 | pisymbol | yeah |
| 01:53:19 | pisymbol | I believe that is what root is |
| 01:53:44 | jacques | pisymbol: hmmm :-( reiserfs is supposed to be more resilient than that... what errors you getting? |
| 01:54:13 | sjohnson | I found a neat new access accesories. An USB->power adapter cable for the IPAQ. |
| 01:54:30 | pisymbol | no...so far I get |
| 01:54:39 | pisymbol | uncompressing Linux.....done, bootinhg kernel |
| 01:54:41 | pisymbol | And then that's it |
| 01:54:46 | pisymbol | This is so weird - I didn't do anything |
| 01:55:03 | pisymbol | I was trying to put the keyboard in and the expansion slot fell off a little, I plugged it back in and rebooted |
| 01:55:03 | jacques | that's really stranbge - it boots fine when udrive is not inserted? |
| 01:55:07 | pisymbol | yup |
| 01:55:12 | pisymbol | familiar comes up as usual |
| 01:55:46 | jacques | pisymbol: hmm, sleeve usually fits very tight - you sure it's on all the way? |
| 01:55:59 | pisymbol | alirght - but even if it wasn't familliar would boot up - yes? |
| 01:56:36 | jacques | pisymbol: should - you said familia *was* booting fine, riht? |
| 01:57:08 | pisymbol | yup |
| 01:57:12 | pisymbol | intimate is not |
| 01:57:38 | keithp | jacques: that seems to work now; you should be able to get bits from XFree86 CVS in a few minutes. |
| 01:57:46 | pisymbol | wtf? |
| 01:57:54 | jacques | keithp: thakns a lot! |
| 01:58:06 | pisymbol | how did I break intimate - all I did was ipkg install stowaway-h3600 |
| 01:58:08 | jacques | pisymbol: try mounting the udrive under familiar |
| 01:58:08 | pisymbol | init 4 |
| 01:58:12 | pisymbol | alirght |
| 01:59:23 | pisymbol | what is the udrive under familliar |
| 01:59:37 | sjohnson | /dev/hda1 |
| 01:59:43 | keithp | jacques: as an extra bonus, you should be able to use an IR mouse if you can get it to talk PS/2 protocol to /dev/psaux |
| 02:01:00 | pisymbol | weird |
| 02:01:03 | jacques | keithp: wow! where can I find one of those? |
| 02:01:05 | pisymbol | well on mine /dev/hda3 is root |
| 02:01:17 | pisymbol | I don't understand why I can't mount it |
| 02:01:23 | pisymbol | It says I must specify the type |
| 02:01:46 | jacques | pisymbol: mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda (or whatever) |
| 02:01:53 | sjohnson | reiserfs is not in the /etc/files systems file. |
| 02:02:05 | pisymbol | aha |
| 02:02:35 | pisymbol | Segmentation fault? |
| 02:02:39 | pisymbol | wtf? |
| 02:02:52 | pisymbol | oooo mannn....what happened |
| 02:02:55 | pisymbol | I didn't do anything |
| 02:03:03 | jacques | pisymbol: cat /proc/apm |
| 02:03:17 | pisymbol | 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0xff 0xff 110% 330 sec |
| 02:03:26 | jacques | ok, that's not it |
| 02:03:31 | pisymbol | my battery is oka |
| 02:03:44 | pisymbol | though the yellow light is flashing - I guess its still charging |
| 02:03:56 | pisymbol | wat |
| 02:04:02 | pisymbol | maybe the PCMCIA battery is really really low |
| 02:04:07 | pisymbol | its been plugged in most of the day |
| 02:04:34 | pisymbol | yellow light still flashing - any ideas jacques |
| 02:04:41 | pisymbol | I don't know why intimate is not loading |
| 02:04:45 | jacques | pisymbol: thinking |
| 02:05:05 | pisymbol | All I get is..... Uncompressing kernel, booting and then that's it.... |
| 02:05:11 | pisymbol | Does hard rebooting take a lot of battery power/ |
| 02:05:20 | jacques | pisymbol: no, batt looks fine |
| 02:05:43 | jacques | pisymbol: so mount segfaults on you? |
| 02:05:57 | pisymbol | yeah |
| 02:06:08 | pisymbol | if battery is fine - why is yellow light flashing |
| 02:06:28 | jacques | pisymbol: it's charging, but you still have plenty of charge |
| 02:06:38 | awakened | anyone have any luck getting ppp over serial to work with their ipaq? |
| 02:06:43 | jacques | pisymbol: you sure sleeve is on tight? |
| 02:06:55 | awakened | or usb for that matter |
| 02:07:00 | jacques | pisymbol: mine fits so tight it would never fall off |
| 02:07:15 | jacques | awakened: I have used both serial and usb |
| 02:07:17 | sjohnson | awakened: It not that hard. |
| 02:07:19 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 02:07:19 | sjohnson | ibot: ppp |
| 02:07:42 | awakened | sjohnson: I did that how to and its still not working |
| 02:07:45 | pisymbol | it didn't fall off - it just game off as I was pushing in the keyboard |
| 02:08:02 | pisymbol | awakened: make sure you have login: screen on the ipaq end |
| 02:08:11 | sjohnson | awakened: From minicom (or whatever) try loginng is as ppp |
| 02:08:18 | awakened | ok |
| 02:08:25 | pisymbol | I'm so pissed off right now - what the hell happened to my Intimate install |
| 02:09:11 | sjohnson | pisymbol: You probably have a corrupted library somewhere. I would start with the reiserfs-module package. |
| 02:09:32 | awakened | ahh I get it |
| 02:09:33 | jacques | sjohnson: ah, good idea |
| 02:09:38 | pisymbol | what do I do? |
| 02:09:47 | sjohnson | ipkg install package-name. |
| 02:10:17 | sjohnson | Someone else has some similar problems what X, I think. |
| 02:10:52 | pisymbol | huh |
| 02:11:01 | awakened | yes...connected :) |
| 02:11:06 | pisymbol | ipkg install reiserfs-module |
| 02:11:13 | jacques | awakened: what was the problem? |
| 02:11:23 | pisymbol | already installed |
| 02:11:29 | pisymbol | I can reinstall it I guessl what update? |
| 02:12:04 | pisymbol | awee this sucks so bad |
| 02:12:14 | pisymbol | panicing - wanted to work on intimate tomorrow |
| 02:13:30 | pisymbol | how the hell did my complete intimate install get screwed up :- |
| 02:13:31 | pisymbol | (( |
| 02:14:08 | pisymbol | Do I have to reinstall initmate all over again? |
| 02:14:11 | sjohnson | pisymbol: Your disk probably fine. The problem is probably a corruted file under familar. |
| 02:14:21 | jacques | agrees with sjohnson |
| 02:14:30 | awakened | jacques: I forgot to log out before I tried it |
| 02:14:40 | jacques | awakened: ah, that will do it |
| 02:15:00 | sjohnson | pisymbol: ipkg remove reiserfs-module and then install it again. |
| 02:15:29 | sjohnson | then modprobe -r reiserfs and then try to mount the drive again. |
| 02:16:02 | jacques | pisymbol: the fact that it is hanging so early in the boot process almost points to it not being the drive itself, but not sure |
| 02:17:07 | sjohnson | pisymbol: Try swapon /dev/hda2. if that suceeds, the drive should be fine. |
| 02:19:39 | scottven | is there a package that contains the usb-eth modules that I can just install rather the building from source? |
| 02:19:49 | scottven | doesn't want to setup a cross compiler toolchain |
| 02:20:25 | pisymbol | I'm reinsaling resiserfs |
| 02:20:27 | pisymbol | done |
| 02:20:27 | pisymbol | now what |
| 02:20:27 | sjohnson | rmmod reiserfs to make sure the module is unloaded from memory then try to mount the drive. |
| 02:20:27 | jacques | pisymbol: you on unstable familiar feed? |
| 02:20:28 | pisymbol | mount still seg faults |
| 02:20:28 | jacques | pisymbol: I heard new reiserfs package was putting module in 2.4.4 |
| 02:20:28 | pisymbol | yeah |
| 02:20:30 | pisymbol | okay |
| 02:20:36 | jacques | scottven: usb-eth modules should already be there |
| 02:20:50 | jacques | scottven: unless you are talking about PC side in which case you dont need to xcompile |
| 02:21:13 | pisymbol | sjohnson - I tried rmmod reiserfs and I get device busy |
| 02:21:20 | scottven | jacques: no, I'm talking about on the ipaq. I didn't find any usb related modules. |
| 02:21:45 | jacques | scottven: you installed familiar? which root, complete or bootstrap? |
| 02:22:14 | scottven | jacques: just bootstrap. I'm working towards qpe so I didn't want to gobble up space. |
| 02:22:43 | sjohnson | pisymbol: Is the drive acutally mounted? |
| 02:22:50 | pisymbol | sswapon worked |
| 02:22:55 | pisymbol | no |
| 02:23:08 | pisymbol | mount seg faults but I havn'et been able to rmmod reiserfs |
| 02:23:47 | jacques | scottven: look in this dir on your ipaq: /lib/modules/2.4.3-rmk2-np1/kernel/arch/arm/mach-sa1100 |
| 02:24:05 | jacques | scottven: I assume you have already tried modprobe usb-eth ? |
| 02:24:07 | sjohnson | Somehting has the reiserfs module locked. Try rebooting into familiar and trying again. |
| 02:24:11 | pisymbol | alright |
| 02:24:33 | jacques | scottven: t's *possible* that usb-eth modules aren't on the bootstrap image, but I thought they were |
| 02:24:34 | scottven | jacques: hmm... it's there, but modprobe didn't find it. :( |
| 02:24:47 | scottven | tries rerunning depmod |
| 02:24:51 | jacques | sjohnson: probably the mount segfault locked it |
| 02:25:14 | jacques | scottven: uname -a , depmod -a |
| 02:25:24 | jacques | scottven: you are on 2.4.3 kernel right? |
| 02:25:28 | scottven | Linux familiar 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 #2 Mon May 14 12:21:48 PDT 2001 armv4l unknown |
| 02:25:32 | pisymbol | okay - sj |
| 02:25:37 | pisymbol | I'm in - what should I do right now |
| 02:25:44 | jacques | pisymbol: in where? |
| 02:25:50 | pisymbol | familiar |
| 02:25:52 | pisymbol | fresh reboot |
| 02:25:56 | pisymbol | pppd called and connected |
| 02:25:59 | pisymbol | sshed in as root |
| 02:26:06 | pisymbol | udrive put back in pcmcia slot |
| 02:26:13 | sjohnson | pisymbol: do ipkg info reiserfs-module to see which module you installed. |
| 02:26:18 | scottven | jacques: whaddyaknow. run depmod, and then modprobe works. |
| 02:26:26 | jacques | pisymbol: did you verify that the reiserfs module in the 2.4.3 modules dir was actually the one updated? |
| 02:26:37 | jacques | scottven: cool |
| 02:26:40 | awakened | should ssh start automatically? |
| 02:26:46 | pisymbol | Package: reiserfs-module |
| 02:26:46 | pisymbol | Priority: optional |
| 02:26:46 | pisymbol | Section: kernel |
| 02:26:46 | pisymbol | Installed-Size: 249337 |
| 02:26:46 | pisymbol | Debian-Maintainer: Nicolás Lichtmaier <nick@debian.org> |
| 02:26:47 | pisymbol | Maintainer: Carl Worth <cworth@handhelds.org> |
| 02:26:49 | pisymbol | Architecture: arm |
| 02:26:51 | pisymbol | Version: 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 |
| 02:26:53 | pisymbol | Depends: modutils, kernel-image (= 2.4.3-rmk2-np1) |
| 02:26:55 | pisymbol | Filename: ./reiserfs-module_2.4.3-rmk2-np1_arm.ipk |
| 02:26:57 | scottven | now if only I had brought my usb cradle home from work. |
| 02:26:57 | pisymbol | Size: 105581 |
| 02:26:59 | pisymbol | MD5Sum: 7947c768a934075e7d68ee8eaf5e4295 |
| 02:27:01 | pisymbol | Description: Reiserfs is a journaling filesystem. This is the kernel module for it. |
| 02:27:09 | pisymbol | alright - that looks good |
| 02:27:20 | jacques | awakened: depends - when you first install, you need to do the postinstall stuff and manually generate the ssh keys before it will run |
| 02:27:23 | pisymbol | now what.... |
| 02:27:31 | sjohnson | Try mounting it again. And cross your fingers, |
| 02:27:34 | pisymbol | shit |
| 02:27:45 | awakened | jacques: how do you manually generate the keys? |
| 02:27:53 | sjohnson | pisymbol: ? |
| 02:27:58 | | jacques: huh? |
| 02:27:58 | jacques | ibot: ssh |
| 02:28:04 | | jacques: i'm not following you... |
| 02:28:04 | jacques | ibot: seach for ssh |
| 02:28:06 | pisymbol | Seg Fault |
| 02:28:09 | pisymbol | I so screwed here |
| 02:28:14 | jacques | ibot: search for ssh |
| 02:28:16 | pisymbol | I don't understand what the hell happnened |
| 02:28:19 | | sjohnson: huh? |
| 02:28:19 | sjohnson | ibot: ssh-keygen |
| 02:28:39 | | sshkeys is ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 02:28:39 | jacques | ibot: sshkeys |
| 02:28:40 | pisymbol | ssh_keygen -N -b 1024 -f /etc/whatever/ssh_config |
| 02:28:47 | awakened | ahhhhh |
| 02:28:52 | awakened | cool :) |
| 02:29:07 | awakened | I can't wait to run gimp on a remote session ;) |
| 02:29:10 | pisymbol | damn it the hell - I have to reinstall Intimate all over again don' tI |
| 02:29:37 | pisymbol | I can't even type coherently I'm so pissed off - how the hell did initmate just get screwed |
| 02:29:59 | sjohnson | pisymbol: I think your familiar is screwed. |
| 02:30:13 | pisymbol | huh: familiar works fine |
| 02:30:27 | jacques | mount shuld not segfault |
| 02:30:38 | pisymbol | that's true - but what if the mount point is corrupted |
| 02:30:40 | pisymbol | like /dev/hda3 |
| 02:30:47 | pisymbol | while the mount source that is |
| 02:30:57 | pisymbol | what - you think I should reinstall familiar? |
| 02:31:04 | jacques | pisymbol: then that could cause mount to segfault |
| 02:31:11 | pisymbol | right |
| 02:31:30 | pisymbol | so either Intimate '/' is gone for I don't know why or familiar is screwedup |
| 02:31:31 | sjohnson | pisymbol: I think that if your try to reinstall intimate, you will intot he same problem. |
| 02:31:40 | jacques | pisymbol: you have any other way to test the drive? laptop? |
| 02:31:50 | pisymbol | yeah - I can get access to a labtop |
| 02:31:56 | pisymbol | no linux on it though |
| 02:32:00 | pisymbol | so its kinda of useless |
| 02:32:05 | jacques | oh |
| 02:32:14 | pisymbol | brb - I have take a friend home |
| 02:32:28 | jacques | pisymbol: sjohnson is right - if you can't mount the drive you can't install intimate |
| 02:32:43 | jacques | pisymbol: maybe try fdisk and see if it can find the partitions |
| 02:32:47 | pisymbol | you think if I reinistall familiar and try to boot up again |
| 02:32:51 | pisymbol | fdisk sees all of them |
| 02:33:25 | sjohnson | pisymbol: Reflashing the task-complete root image should be faster then reinstalling intimate. |
| 02:34:09 | sjohnson | You will just lose whatever cutomizing you've done under familiar. |
| 02:36:32 | scottven | hmms at qpe install direcitons.... I just did an ipkg upgrade but my ipkg.conf is still in the "old" format |
| 02:44:23 | jacques | pisymbol: that's a good sign (fdisk) |
| 02:46:13 | pisymbol | alright - should I reflash famililar task complete? |
| 02:46:26 | pisymbol | and then recopy the linuxinitimaterc file |
| 02:46:27 | pisymbol | and reboot |
| 02:47:19 | jacques | pisymbol: that's probably what I would try at this point |
| 02:52:24 | ToyKeeper | awakened: ssh-keygen |
| 02:52:33 | ToyKeeper | Oops. I was scrolled up a few pages again. |
| 02:52:46 | jacques | ToyKeeper: heh, I do that all the time |
| 02:53:23 | ToyKeeper | For some reason, xchat sometimes sticks instead of scrolling. Really screws with my head. :) |
| 02:54:20 | ToyKeeper | Just got another fun toy today, though. An EternaLight. Its strobe function has been surprisingly effective and amusing. |
| 02:55:26 | jacques | ToyKeeper: got a link? |
| 02:56:42 | ToyKeeper | Lemme see... |
| 02:57:12 | awakened | whats the mp3 player called that you get when you download tesk-mp3-player? |
| 02:57:24 | awakened | task-mp3-player i mean |
| 02:57:44 | ToyKeeper | http://www.techass.com/el/elxray/xray.php |
| 02:57:56 | ToyKeeper | awakened: madplay |
| 02:59:13 | ToyKeeper | has an LED fettish |
| 03:01:11 | sjohnson | I found a neat new power adapter for the IPAQ. It draws power from the USB power. |
| 03:01:13 | jacques | ToyKeeper: that looks really cool |
| 03:10:15 | awakened | hmmm...linux on the ipaq doesn't seem too usable yet |
| 03:16:21 | awakened | well at least as a portable unit |
| 03:16:42 | jacques | awakened: why not? |
| 03:18:26 | awakened | most of the utilities are command line, and the ones that aren't, its hard to get the window to fit on the screen |
| 03:19:05 | awakened | I am not complaining |
| 03:19:16 | jacques | awakened: well that's what fscrib and xkbd are for :-) |
| 03:19:39 | awakened | yah but you know how hard it is to type on these things ;) |
| 03:20:18 | scottven | is rather impressed with qpe so far |
| 03:21:00 | awakened | wow remote gimp on the ipaq |
| 03:21:30 | awakened | is there any way to move a window if it takes up the whole screen? |
| 03:22:12 | jacques | awakened: yes, if you are on the familiar unstable feed |
| 03:22:39 | awakened | ahh, I am using the stable |
| 03:23:01 | jacques | awakened: hold the button (calendar?) second from the left and you can use the cursor to drag windows about |
| 03:23:27 | jacques | awakened: but you need a recent X server - hence unstable (don;t know if it's made it to stable yet) |
| 03:23:34 | jacques | awakened: you can try it anyway |
| 03:23:49 | awakened | well I tried to run gimp and the window was a bit too big (it was over an x session) :) |
| 03:24:33 | awakened | nope its still not in the stable release |
| 03:24:48 | jacques | awakened: ah :-\ |
| 03:25:11 | awakened | oh well |
| 03:25:18 | ToyKeeper | awakened: usefulness is very subjective. :) |
| 03:25:51 | awakened | I am thinking of apps that will fit on the screen of the ipaq that I can run over an xsession |
| 03:25:58 | awakened | ToyKeeper: I know |
| 03:26:11 | awakened | it definitly is neat though |
| 03:26:19 | ToyKeeper | You might find QPE more useful, if you don't like the default Familiar setup |
| 03:26:41 | awakened | QPW? |
| 03:26:44 | awakened | QPE? |
| 03:26:54 | ToyKeeper | Qt Pocket Edition (or something like that). |
| 03:27:19 | ToyKeeper | You remove the X11 stuff from familiar, and install the QPE stuff. Completely different style to the system. |
| 03:27:30 | ToyKeeper | http://www.xyzz.org/ipaq/gfx/screenshots/qpe-1.png |
| 03:28:07 | awakened | sounds cool, even though I am a gnome kind of guy ;) |
| 03:28:33 | ToyKeeper | I still haven't found a window manager for the ipaq that I really like... |
| 03:28:57 | ToyKeeper | I use Enlightenment on the desktop, but it's a bit large for the ipaq. :) |
| 03:29:55 | awakened | ToyKeeper: I know, I used to be really into Enlightenment, the qpe looks like it would work good though, very ce like, which is kind of a good thing, well at least to me |
| 03:29:55 | ToyKeeper | QPE is much like wince. At least, in interface style and applications provided. |
| 03:30:28 | awakened | where do I find it? |
| 03:30:48 | ToyKeeper | I don't remember. It should be easy to find at Trolltech, though. |
| 03:30:58 | awakened | oh ok cool |
| 03:31:02 | scottven | qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 03:33:16 | awakened | thanks, it looks cool |
| 03:33:41 | awakened | I wanted linux on my handheld, but a gui sort of like wince, this looks perfect |
| 03:38:20 | scottven | jacques: thanks for all your help tonight. |
| 03:38:43 | ToyKeeper | scottven: Your nick is really messing with my head. It's my first name, plus an abbreviation of my last... |
| 03:39:03 | scottven | ToyKeeper: heh. that's what it is for me too. |
| 03:39:08 | jacques | scottven: np, my pleasure |
| 03:39:32 | jacques | sings twilight zone theme. |
| 03:41:38 | scottven | waves |
| 03:44:56 | awakened | is there anyway to login remote with the bootstrap install? |
| 03:46:05 | jacques | awakened: you need to do the postinstall procedure and start sshd |
| 03:46:16 | jacques | awakened: then you can setup ppp over serial and ssh in |
| 03:47:08 | awakened | oh ok |
| 03:47:26 | awakened | so it does install sshd cool |
| 04:35:25 | awakened | the qpe is awsome |
| 04:36:21 | jacques | awakened: you installed it? |
| 04:37:13 | awakened | yup |
| 04:37:54 | awakened | it was a automated gui installer that shows all the availible packages and automatically downloads the ones you choose |
| 04:38:16 | awakened | there is even an mpeg1/2/3 playter |
| 04:38:19 | jacques | awakened: cool, I wanna try it sometime |
| 04:38:21 | awakened | player rather |
| 04:38:33 | jacques | awakened: you mean video player? |
| 04:39:04 | awakened | jacques: its definitely worth a try...it does video and audio, mpeg1 mpeg2 and mp3 |
| 04:39:45 | awakened | jacques: you use familiar as the bootstrap for it and kde does the rest |
| 04:40:07 | awakened | jacques: very well refined gui too |
| 04:40:20 | jacques | awakened: coool, i gotta try it |
| 04:41:00 | awakened | jacques: I am trying out some of the cool games it came with |
| 04:43:38 | awakened | jacques: I am playing tetris on it :) |
| 04:44:43 | jacques | awakened: well to be fair, you can play tetris on familiar too |
| 04:44:56 | jacques | awakened: I hve played with their x86 demo - it's cool |
| 04:46:08 | awakened | jacques: the embedded one? |
| 04:47:41 | jacques | awakened: they have a demo of qpe for desktop machines - it runs in a "virtual framebuffer" |
| 04:48:05 | awakened | jacques: I was never trying to put down familiar, I just didn't really like it too much |
| 04:48:22 | jacques | http://qpe.sourceforge.net/x86.html |
| 04:48:44 | jacques | awakened: well maybe it just isn't what you're looking for, I think it's a great piece of work and a very nice dist |
| 04:48:55 | awakened | jacques: cool they are trying to take over linux huh? :) thats a good idea for desktops (that don't need remote access) |
| 04:49:49 | jacques | awakened: heh, it's just a demo for ppl to play with before loadig it on their ipaqs (and a good way to test apps) |
| 04:49:58 | awakened | jacques: me too, but more for development, than using it to keep contacts watch movies and play games...the remote X sessions couldreally be nice |
| 04:50:24 | awakened | jacques: it is a nice gui, even if I hate kde and trolltech ;) |
| 04:50:37 | jacques | awakened: yeah, just about everyone will admit that pim apps are really weak on familiar right now |
| 04:51:05 | jacques | awakened: well too bad henzai never did anything |
| 04:51:28 | ToyKeeper | I'm working on something which will handle todo lists. (well, a hierarchical database program) |
| 04:51:34 | awakened | but I am still using familiar to run this, it the backbone you could say |
| 04:51:46 | awakened | ToyKeeper: cool |
| 04:51:53 | jacques | awakened: true |
| 04:52:13 | awakened | how about familiar mysql ;) |
| 04:52:40 | jacques | well how much ram does it need? |
| 04:52:56 | awakened | what mysql? |
| 04:53:31 | jacques | i know it depends on the database |
| 04:53:43 | jacques | database/s |
| 04:53:54 | jacques | but I wonder what the minimum is |
| 04:54:08 | awakened | jacques: what would be a good idea is to make a lightweight version that is compatible with mysql |
| 04:54:14 | jacques | wonder if anyone has made a gpl micro sql database |
| 04:54:30 | awakened | its possible |
| 04:54:42 | awakened | but how hard would it be too code? :) |
| 04:54:51 | awakened | I am thinking about this one |
| 04:54:52 | ToyKeeper | There's a lightweight personal database, but I don't remember what it's called. |
| 04:55:06 | awakened | ToyKeeper: is it sql? |
| 04:57:59 | awakened | that would be cool though, a very small, efficient sql database, we could use it for all information storage |
| 04:59:21 | awakened | and also to sync the records, just plug it and it will replicate the databases with you desktop computer that is either running the same lightweight database or maybe a larger one |
| 05:00:39 | awakened | I am playing nethack on qpe |
| 05:00:49 | jacques | awakened: please tell me how that is |
| 05:00:54 | jacques | awakened: how playable is it? |
| 05:01:27 | awakened | jacques: other than the fact everything is microsized, great, it the kde version |
| 05:01:49 | awakened | jacques: also have the astroids game |
| 05:02:11 | jacques | awakened: is the game fully playable? |
| 05:02:16 | jacques | awakened: I mean nethack |
| 05:02:20 | awakened | jacques: but the nethack looks like the full graphical kde version |
| 05:02:28 | jacques | cool |
| 05:02:57 | awakened | I think so, it never have really played it before, bit it looks like it is very playable |
| 05:03:30 | awakened | I just destroyed the goblin with my bare hands ;) |
| 05:03:54 | jacques | awakened: cool, I want to get the opinion of someone who has played it on a desktop tho - I really want to know how good a job they did of porting it to the small screen |
| 05:04:34 | awakened | jacques: yup I know what you mean |
| 05:14:26 | ToyKeeper | gadfly |
| 05:14:30 | ToyKeeper | That's what it was called. |
| 05:14:33 | ToyKeeper | Gadfly. |
| 05:14:54 | ToyKeeper | I *think* it was a minimal sql database, which runs is a library rather than a daemon. |
| 05:15:50 | ToyKeeper | http://www.chordate.com/gadfly.html |
| 05:15:58 | jacques | http://www.chordate.com/gadfly.html |
| 05:16:31 | jacques | hmmm, 1998 ? |
| 05:16:40 | jacques | is that eve, like in this millennium? |
| 05:17:43 | jacques | dang, their mailing list is only spam now |
| 05:17:43 | ToyKeeper | It sounds pretty nice for Familiar use. |
| 05:17:47 | awakened | thats cool |
| 05:17:52 | jacques | is it written in python? |
| 05:17:56 | ToyKeeper | Python-based used-space minimal sql database. |
| 05:18:13 | ToyKeeper | I'm not sure if it's all python, or if it has parts written in C too. |
| 05:18:28 | ToyKeeper | I'd hope parts of it are C, so it would be faster/smaller. |
| 05:19:03 | awakened | I kind of think a daemon version would be better, but then again I am a sql programmer |
| 05:19:23 | jacques | ToyKeeper: Gadfly is a collection of python modules that provides relational database functionality entirely implemented in Python. |
| 05:19:33 | ToyKeeper | 'k. :) |
| 05:20:00 | ToyKeeper | I'm in the middle of implementing a database in python and xml... |
| 05:20:03 | ToyKeeper | Well, sort of a database. |
| 05:20:42 | ToyKeeper | It lets the user define arbitrary columns, and add rows. But it lacks most of the searching and sorting and relational stuff. |
| 05:20:52 | ToyKeeper | Don't really need that for an outliner. :) |
| 05:21:18 | awakened | heh |
| 05:22:09 | awakened | I am thinking about making it, it would save a lot of trouble later and it could be used for all kinds of stuff |
| 05:22:52 | jacques | wish there was a microsql project or something |
| 05:26:27 | awakened | let me check microsql.org quick ;) |
| 05:27:40 | jacques | heh |
| 05:27:40 | awakened | its not there |
| 05:32:47 | awakened | jacques: the qpe uses almost no memory, very nice |
| 05:33:27 | jacques | cool |
| 06:00:18 | awakened | see yah |
| 06:00:30 | awakened | need sleep bad |
| 07:06:04 | ^oNe^ | hi |
| 07:16:55 | water | hi |
| 07:17:12 | water | anyone around? |
| 07:17:39 | jacques | yep |
| 07:18:16 | water | hey, what pim app do you use on your ipaq? |
| 07:18:39 | jacques | hmm, I don't use any, but ppl seem to like the qpe stuff |
| 07:18:59 | water | right now i have familiar installed and have been using basic textutils as a pim for the sheer geeky pleasure *grin* |
| 07:19:02 | water | ok |
| 07:19:08 | jacques | heh |
| 07:19:28 | water | it seems a bit of a waste to spend $600 on a machine that doesn't have decent pim stuff |
| 07:19:45 | water | i also use squeak, but the pim apps for it are still in development |
| 07:20:03 | water | so i just use it to code |
| 07:20:19 | jacques | i just use mine for fun |
| 07:20:38 | water | actually the ipaq has been my best incentive to learn how to get around the textutils and such... before i rather avoided shell stuff |
| 07:20:48 | water | what games do you like to play? |
| 07:21:07 | water | i tried doom... pretty usable. quake's impossible but oh well |
| 07:21:44 | jacques | by fun I just mean porting apps, helping Tangent develop the intimate distribution, etc |
| 07:21:53 | water | ah |
| 07:22:14 | water | what's different between intimate and familiar? |
| 07:23:20 | water | ok i'll just look at the intimate site :) |
| 07:23:20 | jacques | intimate requires additional storage, such as microdrive or nfs |
| 07:23:24 | water | oh |
| 07:23:35 | water | now i remember, yeah it's a full distro |
| 07:23:55 | jacques | it's mostly debian arm unstable dist |
| 07:24:01 | water | hm i guess i do prefer tininess |
| 07:24:06 | water | nods |
| 07:24:38 | water | which reminds me, i should get ghostview onto my handheld |
| 07:25:16 | jacques | cool |
| 07:25:33 | water | yeah i read a lot of .ps |
| 07:25:51 | water | was thrilled to find out about the arm .deb port |
| 07:26:10 | water | maybe a tiny version of LyX could be made, too *grin* |
| 07:26:19 | jacques | what's that? |
| 07:26:39 | water | lyx.org.... wysiwym(g) text editor |
| 07:26:53 | water | there was a KDE port of it, but i think they stopped maintaining it |
| 07:27:08 | jacques | ah, interesting |
| 07:27:09 | water | it's a LaTeX editor |
| 07:27:27 | water | so looks like Word, but not like a typewriter |
| 07:27:44 | jacques | cool |
| 07:27:48 | water | er it doesn't work like a typewriter the way most wp's do |
| 07:27:56 | water | yeah i really recommend it |
| 07:28:03 | jacques | hmm, I gotta head home - I'll be on from there |
| 07:28:12 | water | ok well it was nice to talk |
| 07:28:25 | jacques | yeah, talk to you later :-) |
| 07:28:38 | water | sure cya |
| 07:28:45 | jacques | waves |
| 07:31:22 | viljo | which's a latex editor? lyx? |
| 07:31:27 | water | yeah |
| 07:31:33 | water | well |
| 07:31:40 | water | it looks like wysiwyg |
| 07:31:43 | viljo | you didn't mention the name of lyx. |
| 07:31:47 | water | word, etc |
| 07:31:51 | water | um yeah i did |
| 07:32:15 | water | well |
| 07:32:25 | water | one second before you /joined :) |
| 07:32:29 | viljo | ok. |
| 10:44:46 | pisymbol | Tangent - you there? |
| 10:54:57 | | i heard Tangent was a nutter |
| 10:54:57 | pisymbol | ibot Tangent |
| 10:55:06 | pisymbol | thats funny |
| 10:55:27 | Tangent | pisymbol : Yeah.. I'm here.. hovering around my computer and the back garden |
| 11:12:36 | pisymbol | Tangent |
| 11:12:36 | pisymbol | initmate / familiar got screwed up |
| 11:12:36 | pisymbol | mount seg faulted on me |
| 11:12:36 | pisymbol | was highly upset last night |
| 11:12:36 | Tangent | Ack.. |
| 11:12:36 | Tangent | What went wrong? |
| 11:12:36 | pisymbol | sjohnson / jacques though possible familiar was screwy since it wouldn't mount and suggested I reload task-fam-complete |
| 11:12:36 | pisymbol | doing that right now |
| 11:12:36 | pisymbol | I don't know |
| 11:14:04 | pisymbol | What had happened is the udrive came out while initmate was running |
| 11:14:05 | pisymbol | Obviously this crashed linux - so I reboot and ever since then I have tons of problems |
| 11:14:06 | pisymbol | On boot up |
| 11:14:06 | pisymbol | I would get |
| 11:14:06 | pisymbol | Uncompressing kernel....booting... |
| 11:14:06 | pisymbol | hang |
| 11:14:06 | pisymbol | Then when I boot up in familiar |
| 11:14:06 | pisymbol | I try to mount /dev/hda3 and it seg faults |
| 11:14:06 | pisymbol | I reloaded the reiserfs module but that didn't help |
| 11:14:06 | pisymbol | I'm not sure at this point if familiar is done or initmate |
| 11:15:20 | Tangent | pisymbol : If it segfaults when trying to mount the reiserfs partition, it may well be that that's broken |
| 11:15:53 | pisymbol | mount seg faulted in familiar - that shouldn't happen - familiar is the culprit - somehow flash got corrupted when I took out hte udrive? |
| 11:15:53 | pisymbol | maybe not.... |
| 11:15:53 | pisymbol | likes to talk to himself alot |
| 11:17:33 | pisymbol | Tangent: familiar or intimate or mount |
| 11:17:56 | pisymbol | btw I forgot to make a backup the linux.inimate rc script - where can I grub a copy |
| 11:18:09 | Tangent | pisymbol : http://intimate.handhelds.org/installer/ |
| 11:18:11 | pisymbol | and make the changes - I'm assuming when I reload root - I'm back to original familiar install |
| 11:18:20 | pisymbol | should I reload familiar kernel |
| 11:18:35 | Tangent | pisymbol : I'm assuming that familiar is probably fine, and that reiser may be broken |
| 11:19:08 | pisymbol | friggin nice - so what I'm doing know is pointless - alright |
| 11:19:14 | pisymbol | Do I have to reinstall Initimate |
| 11:20:26 | pisymbol | more importantly do I have to format the udrive |
| 11:20:26 | pisymbol | oh crap |
| 11:20:26 | pisymbol | I know what I did |
| 11:20:26 | pisymbol | you know /dev/hda1 |
| 11:20:36 | pisymbol | I wanted to the room so I made it a linux parition |
| 11:20:42 | pisymbol | and did mke2fs on it |
| 11:20:54 | pisymbol | could that screw everything up? |
| 11:21:15 | Tangent | pisymbol : Well. if you're trying to mount is as a reiserfs partition, that wouldn't help |
| 11:21:20 | pisymbol | INo |
| 11:21:23 | Tangent | pisymbol : Tho it shouldn't matter otherwise |
| 11:21:33 | pisymbol | '/dev/hda3 is reiserfs' and it can't mount it |
| 11:21:47 | pisymbol | I'm assuming I have to reinstall Intimiate again? |
| 11:23:27 | Tangent | pisymbol : If there's nothing on it, try formatting hda1 as reiserfs and see if that can be mounted |
| 11:23:36 | Tangent | pisymbol : Just in case it is familiar that's broken |
| 11:23:51 | pisymbol | actually |
| 11:23:54 | pisymbol | I can omunt /dev/hda1 |
| 11:23:57 | pisymbol | no problem |
| 11:24:00 | pisymbol | only reiserfs |
| 11:24:04 | pisymbol | Seg faults |
| 11:24:20 | pisymbol | which really really sucks - cause I figure that means by root filesystem on the udrive is corrupted and I'm done |
| 11:24:22 | pisymbol | buggah |
| 11:25:20 | pisymbol | well I'm reflashing familiar root - but I think that is pointless |
| 11:26:16 | pisymbol | I didn't know reiserfs can get corrupted so easily |
| 11:31:17 | Tangent | pisymbol : I've been using it for 6 months, and have never had it go wrong yet |
| 11:31:39 | pisymbol | Then I'm stumped |
| 11:31:42 | pisymbol | All I did was |
| 11:31:56 | pisymbol | ipkg install stowaway-h6000 |
| 11:31:58 | pisymbol | init 4 |
| 11:32:09 | pisymbol | the udrive came out when I drived to attach the keyboard |
| 11:32:18 | pisymbol | and then I couldn't reboot |
| 11:32:22 | Tangent | Hmm.. that shouldn't have killed anything.. That's happened dozens of times to me |
| 11:32:37 | pisymbol | I know it has too .... I didn't do anything |
| 11:32:41 | Tangent | Yeah.. it doesn't like loosing it's root filesystem (for some reason) |
| 11:50:50 | pisymbol | well familiar has been reinstalled |
| 11:50:58 | pisymbol | and I have to hop to work soon |
| 11:51:11 | pisymbol | I guess I will come back, reconfigure familiar try to mount - if that doesn't work |
| 11:51:19 | pisymbol | then reinstall initmate? |
| 13:54:28 | pkomarek | would anyone like to suggest a web browser for the ipaq/linux? |
| 13:55:02 | sjohnson | pkomarek: People say that dillo is becoming very good. |
| 13:55:56 | pkomarek | sjohnson: I saw mention of "chimera" in a wiki doc, but haven't actually found it yet -- is it old? |
| 13:56:16 | | bugger all, i dunno, sjohnson |
| 13:56:16 | sjohnson | ibot: chimera? |
| 13:56:40 | sjohnson | I like ibot. |
| 13:56:47 | sjohnson | er, I'm like ibot. |
| 13:58:03 | pkomarek | sjohnson: =-) |
| 13:59:43 | nikos | dillo is definitely showing the most promise. |
| 16:43:54 | nikos | is back |
| 17:54:29 | boodle | Tangent: Are you available? |
| 21:14:18 | sjohnson_work | is away: headed home |
| 21:26:10 | willfe | Er, how long does it usually take to install QPE with "ipkg install qpe-blah"? |
| 21:26:33 | willfe | (is the "tar xf -" process supposed to chew up five minutes 23 seconds' CPU time? :) |
| 21:28:03 | ToyKeeper | Yes, jffs acts strangely when it's almost full. |
| 21:28:15 | willfe | Define "almost full" :) |
| 21:28:15 | ToyKeeper | I think I dealt with it by doing the following: |
| 21:28:22 | ToyKeeper | - remove a few things |
| 21:28:24 | ToyKeeper | - reboot |
| 21:28:39 | willfe | blinks. Reboot? :) |
| 21:28:44 | willfe | Halfway through the qpe install? |
| 21:28:45 | ToyKeeper | I don't know why, but jffs seems to sometimes not free up space until after a reboot. |
| 21:29:05 | willfe | Who am I kidding? It's just exploding a tarball :) |
| 21:29:09 | willfe | No harm done... I'll reboot it. |
| 21:29:13 | willfe | Wanted to see how it handles that anyway :) |
| 21:29:43 | ToyKeeper | I'm guessing jffs sometimes needs to fsck to free up space, which is odd.. |
| 21:30:03 | nikos_ | ToyKeeper: If you observe such behaviour it really needs to be reported to dwmw2. |
| 21:30:09 | ToyKeeper | Makes me a bit nervous about jffs. :) |
| 21:30:28 | willfe | Oy! You mean it's fscking now! |
| 21:30:29 | willfe | ? |
| 21:30:38 | ToyKeeper | I don't know. |
| 21:30:41 | willfe | 's staring at the Linux penguin, a blinky cursor, and nothin' else :) |
| 21:30:51 | ToyKeeper | Serial console is your friend. :) |
| 21:31:04 | willfe | Ah. Whew. |
| 21:31:07 | willfe | It just didn't start X. |
| 21:31:08 | willfe | No worries :) |
| 21:32:01 | ToyKeeper | I suppose sometime I'll have to try reproducing the odd jffs behaviour you just experienced. It happened to me once or twice too. |
| 21:32:42 | ToyKeeper | I ended up monitoring space by running an infinite "df -h ; sleep 1". |
| 21:33:03 | ToyKeeper | How much ROM does your ipaq have? |
| 21:33:16 | willfe | 16MB |
| 21:33:23 | willfe | 1.5MB free :) |
| 21:33:30 | ToyKeeper | Oh, okay. I thought the 3670 had 32MB ROM. |
| 21:33:43 | willfe | there we go, it seems to have finished this time... |
| 21:33:52 | ToyKeeper | I removed X11 before installing QPE, just so I'd be *sure* to have enough space. :) |
| 21:34:00 | willfe | They claim you can run both :) |
| 21:34:05 | ToyKeeper | Yup. |
| 21:34:09 | willfe | is curious to see if this is true :) |
| 21:34:42 | ToyKeeper | I didn't like QPE. The text editor, for example, only lets you edit files in one directory. |
| 21:36:33 | willfe | Arse! It's complaining :( |
| 21:36:45 | ToyKeeper | Arse! So are you! :) |
| 21:37:09 | willfe | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libqpe.so.1: undefined symbol: setDocumentLocator__18QXmlDefaultHandlerP11QXmlLocator |
| 21:37:32 | willfe | Hmm! ldconfig says libqte.so.2.3.1 is truncated. |
| 21:37:40 | ToyKeeper | Ick. |
| 21:37:58 | ToyKeeper | You might want to reinstall some of those packages... |
| 21:38:15 | willfe | yup |
| 21:38:18 | willfe | starts over :) |
| 21:39:41 | ToyKeeper | If you get the same problem again with jffs, um, try to log your serial console. |
| 21:39:48 | willfe | has been :) |
| 21:45:24 | willfe | Got it! Working fine. |
| 21:46:33 | willfe | Heh. Not much room left, and no apps either :) |
| 21:49:17 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, you should probably install all the QPE apps... |
| 21:49:47 | ToyKeeper | Play with them for a while, then decide which ones you like and get rid of the rest. |
| 21:50:40 | willfe | yeah |
| 21:55:06 | willfe | very visually pleasing, though, I must admit. |
| 22:06:38 | pisymbol_work | nick pisymbol |
| 22:06:49 | pisymbol | Tangent - you in here |
| 22:06:58 | Tangent | pisymbol ; Yep |
| 22:10:35 | scottven | does anyone know what would make my ipaq not accept the new address on the usb? ifconfig -a shows a usbf interface and I've got usbnet loaded on the host machine. |
| 22:11:15 | pisymbol | Tangent - well it looks like Intimate won't boot or mount |
| 22:11:19 | pisymbol | Start all over? |
| 22:11:31 | Tangent | pisymbol : I guess so |
| 22:11:31 | scottven | it's giving error=-110, if that helps |
| 22:12:41 | Tangent | scottven : What command line are you using? Do you have both sa1100_usb and usb-eth loaded? is the interface listed as 'up' |
| 22:13:15 | pisymbol | Tangent: :-( (crying) |
| 22:13:39 | Tangent | pisymbol : Nod... I feel bad for you.. It's never gone wrong for anyone else |
| 22:13:59 | pisymbol | Tangent: I just WISH I could tell you exactly what I did wrong |
| 22:14:24 | pisymbol | Tangent: Since fdisk sees everything, I guess I can do a plain vanilla install (hda1=root hda2=swap) |
| 22:14:28 | Tangent | pisymbol : Do you have a laptop that you can try mounting the reiserfs partition on? |
| 22:14:31 | scottven | Tangent: do I have to have the interface up and configured before sticking it into the cradle? The howto page just seems to say that the module has to be loaded. |
| 22:14:34 | scottven | tries that |
| 22:14:50 | pisymbol | Tangent: No I don't - my brother's laptop runs WinME |
| 22:14:54 | pisymbol | Tangent: :-( |
| 22:15:39 | Tangent | scottven : 1.) On the iPAQ, load modules and configure interface. 2.) On host, load uhci and usbnet 3.) connect the two together. 4.) ifconfig usb0 on host, and set up routing/masquerading |
| 22:16:36 | | pisymbol: i'm not following you... |
| 22:16:36 | pisymbol | ibot ssh |
| 22:16:50 | pisymbol | whats the exact phrase for generating host keys |
| 22:16:57 | pisymbol | ssh-keygen -N -b 1024 -f <file> |
| 22:17:09 | pisymbol | isn't there something else? |
| 22:17:10 | ToyKeeper | scottven: You must get usbf up and configured before putting the ipaq into the usb cradle. The PC must also have usbnet loaded. |
| 22:17:40 | ToyKeeper | When I want to put usbnet up, I do the following: |
| 22:18:34 | ToyKeeper | Remove ipaq from cradle. Run my "usbnet down" script on the ipaq. Run my "usbnet up" script on the ipaq. Insmod usbnet on the PC. Put ipaq in cradle. Run my "ipaq up" script on the PC. |
| 22:19:45 | | pisymbol: sorry... |
| 22:19:45 | pisymbol | ibot ssh-keygen |
| 22:19:49 | pisymbol | damn it |
| 22:21:35 | ToyKeeper | What worked for me is just "ssh-keygen", and I told it interactively to save to /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key |
| 22:22:32 | pisymbol | what about dsa keys? |
| 22:24:05 | ToyKeeper | I dunno. I haven't manually set those up before. |
| 22:24:18 | pisymbol | usually its -t dsa but... |
| 22:24:28 | ToyKeeper | I just configured it enough to get usbnet and ssh to work. |
| 22:24:49 | pisymbol | yeah I just noticed that it disables protocol version 2 |
| 22:24:52 | pisymbol | same for you |
| 22:24:58 | pisymbol | I think it was like that last time |
| 22:25:28 | | sshkey is, like, ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 22:25:28 | Tangent | ibot sshkey |
| 22:25:29 | | thanks Tangent :) |
| 22:25:29 | Tangent | ibot botsnack |
| 22:26:08 | pisymbol | Tangent: Thanks - have a little sympathy - my iPAQ is currently out of action |
| 22:29:50 | pisymbol | Okay now familiar won't load |
| 22:32:52 | | well, sshkey is ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 22:32:52 | Tangent | ibot sshkey |
| 22:32:53 | | Tangent: huh? |
| 22:32:53 | Tangent | ibot talk to me |
| 22:32:53 | | Tangent: huh? |
| 22:32:53 | Tangent | ibot Oi.. say something |
| 22:32:54 | scottven | well... I'm closer now... usbf is up with an ip address, usbnet is inserted in my host machine, but no usb0 interface |
| 22:33:15 | scottven | usb.c didn't log anything this time when I put the ipaq in the cradle |
| 22:33:15 | Tangent | scottven : Did the host print a message on the console when you connected the ipaq... should say "Linux Device" |
| 22:33:16 | scottven | tanget: nothing in syslog |
| 22:33:16 | Tangent | scottven : Disconnect the iPAQ and try reloading usbnet and uhci on the host |
| 22:35:36 | Tangent | pisymbol : ask ibot about sshkey ... some reason he's not talking to me |
| 22:35:37 | scottven | sighs. removed usbnet and usb-uhci, re-modprobed them, popped the ipaq back in the cradle, and now it's not accepting a new address again... still error=-110 |
| 22:36:27 | pisymbol | yeah - no I'm good |
| 22:36:38 | pisymbol | anyway the internal RAM can get corrupted? |
| 22:36:43 | pisymbol | I can't boot familliar now |
| 22:36:56 | Tangent | Ah.. now ibot realises... sigh |
| 22:38:03 | pisymbol | Tangent I forgot if you get a RXSTAT error when you flash I can ignore that right |
| 22:39:57 | Tangent | pisymbol : You're not having much luck are you |
| 22:39:57 | Tangent | pisymbol : What's going wrong with familiar now? |
| 22:40:20 | scottven | ooo... maybe I've got the wrong usbnet module loaded. |
| 22:40:23 | scottven | nope. that didn't help any. |
| 22:41:11 | pisymbol | looks like I really have to start from scratch |
| 22:41:22 | Tangent | pisymbol : No.. I think that means that the xmodem transfer failed |
| 22:41:22 | Tangent | If it says error... |
| 22:41:38 | pisymbol | it says RXSTAT error but it alsosays verifying done |
| 22:41:47 | Tangent | Did it say veryifying...done ? |
| 22:41:53 | pisymbol | yes |
| 22:42:06 | pisymbol | I thought from the bootldr instructions RXSTAT error you could ignor |
| 22:42:42 | pisymbol | how do I check if a kernel is in ram from bootldr? |
| 22:44:03 | scottven | Tanget: any other ideas that I should try? |
| 22:44:03 | scottven | goes to dig through the mailing list archives |
| 22:45:28 | Tangent | Yeah.. maybe RXSTAT is just statistics for the transmission ? |
| 22:47:19 | pisymbol | I am reflashing familiar complete and hopefully erase the paritions on the udrive - run the intimate install again and be up and running by tonight |
| 22:47:22 | pisymbol | think I got a chance |
| 22:47:25 | pisymbol | ? |
| 22:47:27 | Tangent | pisymbol : Sorry.. I don't know |
| 22:47:49 | pisymbol | Tangent: Don't know about what? RXSTAT? |
| 22:47:58 | pisymbol | Tangent: Or my chances ;-) |
| 22:48:10 | Tangent | pisymbol : Don't know how to check if a kernel is in ram from the bootloader |
| 22:48:12 | pisymbol | thinks, Damn how did this all get screwed up |
| 22:48:25 | pisymbol | Tangent: That's cool - I'm reflashing it anyway |
| 22:48:45 | pisymbol | Is the install still broken? |
| 22:48:59 | pisymbol | I mean where it screws up my screen (wrong major number, remmeber?) |
| 22:49:01 | pisymbol | or is that fixed |
| 22:49:11 | Tangent | That's fixed |
| 22:49:24 | pisymbol | so if I just install, type yes a lot, I should be good |
| 22:50:06 | Tangent | Yep |
| 22:50:12 | Tangent | Let's hope so :) |
| 22:59:27 | pisymbol | Let's |
| 22:59:39 | pisymbol | Tangent: After last night - I was in a real bad mood |
| 23:15:39 | jacques_work | pisymbol: are you having any success? find outwhat the problem was? |
| 23:18:15 | Tangent | pisymbol : I'm afraid I'm gonna abandon you and go to sleep... |
| 23:18:32 | Tangent | goes.. Night all |
| 23:52:27 | scottven | /me gives up on usbnet and goes back to ppp |
| 23:52:40 | scottven | but minus that leading space |
| 23:54:27 | jacques_work | scottven: usbnet isn't working for you? |
| 23:55:09 | scottven | jacques_work: nope. I dug through 3 months worth of ipaq list archives and can't find anything that I haven't already tried |
| 23:55:24 | jacques_work | scottven: damn :-( |
| 23:55:39 | jacques_work | ppl see this: |
| 23:55:42 | jacques_work | I'm about to test a unit with 128 meg of RAM: we'll see if everything |
| 23:55:42 | jacques_work | works. The chips are still pretty expensive though: you need 2, and |
| 23:55:42 | jacques_work | they cost $95 each.... |
| 23:55:50 | jacques_work | from jim |
| 23:56:05 | scottven | jacques_work: yea, that was kinda my reaction too. :/ |
| 23:57:33 | jacques_work | scottven: have you tried both usb modules? |
| 23:58:01 | jacques_work | scottven: usb-uhci and the other one? |
| 23:58:39 | scottven | jacques_work: the other one? |
| 23:59:16 | scottven | jacques_work: just uhci? |
