| 02:38:28 | pkomarek | anyone know a nice way to make the ipaq beep from a console? |
| 02:38:39 | pkomarek | printf "\007" doesn't seem to work...;-) |
| 02:40:19 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: :-( |
| 02:40:26 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: might not be implemented yet |
| 02:40:35 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: probably nobody needed it |
| 02:40:49 | pkomarek | =-) figures I need something stupid that nobody else did... |
| 02:43:36 | pkomarek | maybe this is an easier question: terminal emulators for iPAQ? python is already installed, and I've got part of a terminal emulator already made in python for a different project |
| 02:49:18 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: you mean like minicom for ipaq? |
| 02:50:31 | pkomarek | yes -- I want to use the ipaq as a serial console for some headless machines at school |
| 02:51:02 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: why not use minicom ? |
| 02:51:39 | pkomarek | is minicom available for the ipaq? I did a search earlier today for "ipaq terminal emulators", but didn't see anything promising... |
| 02:52:22 | pkomarek | I should admit I've had the ipaq for < 36 hours, so I haven't tried porting anything to it |
| 02:53:39 | pkomarek | Of course I've only slept for 4 of those approx 36 hours, because I'm obsessed ;-) |
| 02:54:28 | ipaq_fan | Hey BZFlag, I saw you $99 systems. Are they really touch screens. |
| 02:54:40 | ipaq_fan | s/you/your |
| 02:56:10 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: you could just extract the binary from the debian arm dist |
| 02:58:24 | pkomarek | Is intimate the Debian arm dist, or is there another one? |
| 03:00:32 | DW | I reloaded CE on to my ipaq, but I can't get it to sync (device thinks it's attached, active sync says contecting...) - any suggestions? |
| 03:06:02 | jacquesZzZz | i think that's a known problem with activesync |
| 03:06:18 | jacquesZzZz | i remember having that problem |
| 03:08:07 | DW | but how do I fix it? it worked fine before |
| 03:08:36 | DW | I've tried everything I can think of, even reinstalling the device by removing it from enum in the registry |
| 03:28:40 | DW | is getting extremely frustrated |
| 03:37:38 | jacquesZzZz | DW: I don't know. I usually just rebooted my machine - the universal fix for windows problems. |
| 03:39:41 | jacquesZzZz | DW: also, do you have the latest version of activesync? |
| 03:39:51 | DW | yep |
| 03:40:30 | DW | rebooted the machine and ipaq multiple times, and reinstalled active sync strait off m$'s site |
| 03:40:49 | DW | I've even tried my second box now, still no luch |
| 03:41:36 | jacquesZzZz | DW: hmmm. :-( I am out of ideas |
| 03:41:54 | jacquesZzZz | DW: are you rebooting the machine with ipaq in the cradle? |
| 03:42:08 | jacquesZzZz | DW: did you maybe disable auto connect on the ipaq side? |
| 03:42:53 | jacquesZzZz | DW: I think it's bad for activesync to reboot with ipaq in the cradle |
| 03:43:02 | DW | tried both ways, and no, checked (and it's been hard reset twice) |
| 03:43:46 | jacquesZzZz | DW: so ipaq shows no activity at all when you try to connect from PC? any way to initiate the connection from ipaq side? |
| 03:45:14 | DW | It says it is connected on the ipaq side (though obviously not really) and no, because it doesn't have any data, it requires a profile for manual sync |
| 03:48:24 | jacquesZzZz | DW: hmmm, you may be having a differnt problem than I did then |
| 03:51:16 | DW | possibly. |
| 03:51:59 | DW | I am not going to be the least bit happy if my ipaq is toast, that's for sure |
| 03:52:19 | jacquesZzZz | DW: my problem had to do with the OS picking up the ipaq on the usb bus before the driver got loaded, so the os was treating it as an unknown usb device |
| 03:52:54 | DW | yeah, it's not having that problem, it reinstalled the device properly |
| 03:53:00 | jacquesZzZz | ok |
| 03:53:14 | pkomarek | DW: Is your long-term goal to use ActiveSync, or did you want to use ActiveSync to transfer something just once (like an ftp server)? |
| 03:53:35 | jacquesZzZz | I know Tangent recently reinstalled CE and had no problem syncing, so it's not something inherent in the proces |
| 03:55:54 | ipaq_fan | I have went back and forth, between linux and CE a few times. And I have never had a problem |
| 03:57:27 | ipaq_fan | DW: Did you try a new profile under active sync? (like Pocket_PC_linux) |
| 03:57:38 | ipaq_fan | DW: or something different? |
| 03:58:04 | ipaq_fan | DW: did active sync ask you for a name? |
| 03:58:20 | DW | no, it never got that |
| 03:58:22 | DW | far |
| 03:58:31 | ipaq_fan | Hmmm |
| 03:59:02 | DW | one other issue, the asset viewer shows the serial and tag as 12345678 |
| 03:59:04 | ipaq_fan | Did you modify your cradle? |
| 03:59:08 | DW | no |
| 03:59:25 | DW | s/8/890 |
| 04:06:15 | ipaq_fan | DW: Which restore method did you use the old (load flash x) or new (rewince-.sh)? |
| 04:07:28 | DW | old, I have no flash card of significant size, or anetworking available for nfs |
| 04:10:08 | pkomarek | DW: I did a web search -- someone suggested that if you have problems during the "connecting" phase, then you should right-click on the activesync icon in the systray, select connection setting, and disable the USB connection -- then repeat and re-eneable it. |
| 04:11:00 | pkomarek | DW: at any rate, you're not alone -- a lot of people have similar troubles |
| 04:11:32 | DW | tried that, no luck |
| 04:11:36 | DW | ugg |
| 04:11:56 | ipaq_fan | I notice that your asset viewer is screwed up |
| 04:12:02 | DW | and now I can't seem to get my IR port reenabled on my laptop to even try that :( |
| 04:12:16 | pkomarek | DW: I should clarify that these people hadn't done anything with linux... |
| 04:12:42 | pkomarek | DW: You're using usb? |
| 04:13:33 | DW | I have tried usb and serial, same results. two machines, same results -- that seems to point to an issue with the handheld itself, but who knows :) |
| 04:15:04 | ipaq_fan | DW: I am wondering what about using the parot loader and then try this process again? Like reload the boot loader again, and the flash files again? |
| 04:15:26 | ipaq_fan | pkomarek: Do you agree? |
| 04:18:32 | pkomarek | ipaq_fan: thanks for the vote of confidence -- I've had my ipaq for about 36 hours (at 2am). I do agree that exploration is more interesting than beating your head against a Window. |
| 04:19:40 | ipaq_fan | pkomarek: Do you know what I am talking about (parot loader)? |
| 04:19:46 | pkomarek | DW, ipaq_fan: before reloading a boot loader, I would consider 1) trying to connect via ppp over a serial cable, and 2) verifying your wince md5sums |
| 04:20:05 | pkomarek | ipaq_fan: Nope, no idea. =-( |
| 04:20:21 | DW | I don't have a way to pp over serial |
| 04:20:44 | DW | and I don't see how I could get md5 sums off that anyway |
| 04:20:51 | ipaq_fan | All iPAQs shipped with CE have a parot boot loader. |
| 04:21:07 | DW | and I have certainly been exploring |
| 04:21:21 | ipaq_fan | When you initiate the loader you should see a parot on the screen |
| 04:21:36 | ipaq_fan | This is from a CE iPAQ |
| 04:22:10 | DW | on a related note, the parrot loader I can access, so physically the link is obviously fine |
| 04:22:32 | pkomarek | ipaq_fan: is the parrot loader the default CE loader, then? |
| 04:22:40 | ipaq_fan | Yep |
| 04:22:57 | ipaq_fan | Until you put on the boot loader |
| 04:23:19 | pkomarek | ipaq_fan: =^) |
| 04:23:45 | ipaq_fan | Redhat has a boot loader called redboot that works with the parot loader. They even have a page for the iPAQ |
| 04:24:26 | pkomarek | DW: If you can find a ppp driver for Windows, I think you can do it: http://www.handhelds.org:8080/wiki/ActiveSync |
| 04:25:20 | pkomarek | DW: You might also be able to find a floppy-only linux distro with ppp, if you don't have linux running somewhere already (you boot and run from floppies, no risk to your windows partitions) |
| 04:25:24 | ipaq_fan | pkomarek: The newer windows have ppp drivers |
| 04:26:01 | pkomarek | That sounds good. My next suggestion was that I could make a bootable CD with linux (spin-off of yet-another-project) and ppp stuff. |
| 04:26:44 | pkomarek | DW: Here is another method of connecting to an iPAQ w/out ActiveSync: http://www.handhelds.org/minihowto/wince-link/ |
| 04:26:52 | ipaq_fan | Sure, you can do anything with linux. You have the source and a fine backing |
| 04:27:16 | ipaq_fan | ;) |
| 04:27:19 | pkomarek | ipaq_fan: you forgot to mention that you need some time...;-) |
| 04:29:31 | ipaq_fan | Not too much, nowadays. Depending on the distribution that you choose. |
| 04:30:43 | pkomarek | DW: if you could get the handheld.org osloader on, and have ppp working, you could 1) put an ftp client on the ipaq to help move your data, 2) get copies of the flash to your pc, 3) verify md5sums, 4) call MS and complain that CE is intact but their USB and ActiveSync stuff doesn't work right (for any of the CE handhelds, it appears) ;-) |
| 04:33:52 | ipaq_fan | DW: I missed the beginning of this session, but you installed intially the osloader, saved your files. Right. Now I take it you do not have linux installed anywhere to verify the flash files? |
| 04:34:35 | ipaq_fan | Well I believe there is a md5 program for windows |
| 04:36:16 | DW | I use cygwin, my md5 sums do NOT match on the first and last files w/ what's on the page, but that's not reliable, because there is dynamic data included in there. |
| 04:36:35 | DW | what on the restoration page. |
| 04:37:25 | ipaq_fan | Also I heard someone loaded that same flash file to 2 separate areas on the flash rom. And CE loaded, but did not fuction correctly. |
| 04:37:33 | DW | but a checksum check on the ROM from Q-utils checks out fine |
| 04:37:44 | ipaq_fan | I am not sure which location |
| 04:38:06 | DW | ce is intact, and I made very sure I picked the right files. |
| 04:38:26 | ipaq_fan | By the way the sums should match exactly |
| 04:39:06 | pkomarek | DW: You said you fiddle with ActiveSync, have you fiddled with the USB drivers? Oh, and are you using a hub between the cradle and the host? |
| 04:39:10 | ipaq_fan | Which iPAQ do you havve and what CE rom version is it. 1.28 or 1.77? |
| 04:39:22 | ipaq_fan | s/havve/have |
| 04:39:29 | DW | 1.77 |
| 04:39:39 | ipaq_fan | Hmmm |
| 04:41:46 | ipaq_fan | Well I would love to help you more, but it is almost 2 am here, and I am really tired. DW, I hope you pull through this situation |
| 04:42:05 | ipaq_fan | Good luck guys |
| 04:42:32 | DW | good night |
| 04:42:36 | DW | thanks for trying |
| 04:42:45 | ipaq_fan | see ya |
| 04:45:24 | pkomarek | DW: The point of the hub comment was that I'd seen some similar complaints resolved by using a better hub, or no hub at all. Of course, since serial doesn't work either... |
| 04:46:29 | pkomarek | DW: And you're aware that Compaq's Cambridge labs (IIRC) will help you recover from failures due to flashing CE? |
| 04:48:44 | DW | yes, but that means approximately a month with an ipaq. which is absolutely unacceptable if it can be helped |
| 04:53:07 | pkomarek | DW: I'm looking for some positive aspects of all of this...;-) |
| 05:01:24 | DW | I am seeing none :( |
| 05:01:31 | DW | ir isn't working either |
| 05:03:45 | DW | I can't even do file transfer |
| 05:04:45 | pkomarek | DW: does the IR stuff use ActiveSync, too? |
| 05:09:10 | DW | IR active sync just fails, no connection at all (unlike usb and seial which does one way) |
| 05:12:13 | DW | now my laptop with the usb, same results |
| 05:12:24 | DW | it's a problem with the ipaq. |
| 05:13:16 | DW | I'm thinking the ID data isn't valid (hence the 1234567890 serial #) so active sync can't verify the connection and estaplish a profile. |
| 05:13:25 | DW | basically, I'm screwed. |
| 05:17:45 | DW | the only other thing I could think of is reflashing it, but I would need a clean ROM image, since I'm guessing mine is corrupt |
| 05:19:49 | DW | but I don't understand why I'm the first person to encounter this problem, unless it's just one of the most unfortunate locations for bit rot ever heard of. |
| 05:20:15 | DW | of course, how many people have been using 3670's yet. |
| 05:21:23 | pkomarek | DW: My new iPAQ is a 3670 (obviously I'm proud of it!). |
| 05:21:42 | DW | :) |
| 05:22:02 | DW | have you installed familiar/restored ce yet? |
| 05:23:17 | pkomarek | DW: as for bit rot, I once had an (unknown) hd problem. downloaded a bios update, wrote it, everything failed. Got some EE staffers to lend me time on an eprom burner. bios update still didtn't work. Turned out the bad hd controller had screwed up the bios update image. later, the power supply and hd sympathetically died, taking out almost everything (including my keyboard). |
| 05:23:50 | DW | fun |
| 05:23:53 | pkomarek | DW: I haven't reflashed CE. I played with CE long enough for my wife to come home from work and see it -- then I went to linux. |
| 05:24:42 | DW | did you get identical md5 sums to what's on the reload instruction page? |
| 05:24:48 | pkomarek | iPAQ arrival: 2:00pm Friday, Linux: 11pm Friday |
| 05:25:01 | DW | heh |
| 05:25:06 | pkomarek | DW: actually, I forgot to check. Let me do that now: |
| 05:29:28 | pkomarek | DW: the first 12MB (three files) matched, the last one didn't. We played around with voice recording, tried out handwriting recognition, and set the 'personal info' before I copied the flash -- I'm assuming that explains why the top of the flash doesn't match? |
| 05:33:04 | DW | the top of the last flash won't match because the contacts ifo gets saved there periodically |
| 05:33:22 | DW | but your's all match besides that, mine don't :\ |
| 05:33:38 | DW | dangit. |
| 05:33:51 | DW | I should have checked earlier, but I phased it out. |
| 05:34:42 | pkomarek | DW: do you have an email address I could write to? |
| 05:35:05 | DW | sec, I'll msg you |
| 05:39:08 | pkomarek | mIRC? Is that any better than the cmdline irc I'm using in linux? This is also my first time on IRC. =-) kvirc crashed on me, I won't touch it now. |
| 05:39:30 | DW | mIRC is crappy windows irc client :) |
| 05:39:40 | pkomarek | DW: BTW, you've got mail (or soon should, but I see you're an @home customer...) |
| 05:40:12 | DW | xchat is good in linux. I prefer a streamlined bitchx config (which I use for school) |
| 05:41:12 | DW | got it, thanks |
| 05:42:20 | catch23 | xchat has crashed on me too.... now I only stick to terminal based irc clients, less gui-tools that may cause crashes... |
| 05:44:26 | catch23 | wow another .edu person.... I thought I was the only one! |
| 05:45:18 | DW | bitchx crashes on me more than xchat has, but I live with it, cause I've written some usefull scripts to allow me to monitor the departmental syslogs and such when working :) |
| 05:45:19 | jacquesZzZz | i use xchat, using 1.7.7. now - it's been up for weeks :-) |
| 05:46:48 | pkomarek | jackquesZzZz: Thanks for the tip on using debian-arm minicom. I'm now an expert in debian and ipkg fundamentals ;-), and more importantly have found the binaries that I need. |
| 05:51:11 | pkomarek | DW: got it |
| 05:52:32 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: great :-) |
| 05:52:41 | DW | needs to do something to calm down |
| 05:53:13 | DW | I've been generally gripy all day long, then things actually start going wrong... |
| 05:54:04 | DW | has anyone figured out a way in familiar to make a key as a moodifier for the mouse? (so you can right click and middle click) |
| 05:54:27 | DW | s/oo/o |
| 05:54:46 | catch23 | the modifiers suck right now... in fstroke |
| 05:55:06 | DW | hmm |
| 05:55:07 | catch23 | you can do a middle mouse button by doing something like, move left, then move right, then move left |
| 05:55:29 | catch23 | in fstroke... you'll have to consult the user manual for a clearer description :) |
| 05:57:12 | DW | heh |
| 05:57:41 | sjohnson | catch23: That's the control key modified stroke. |
| 05:59:05 | pkomarek | in fscribe (which I've now compiled for my desktop, to help my sanity while learning grafitti with a stylus), a tap followed by an upstroke gives a middle-click event to wherever the upstroke ends. (docs say left and write strokes, but I never saw that working) |
| 05:59:36 | pkomarek | s/write/right/ (what time did my cuckoo clock just strike?) |
| 05:59:48 | catch23 | I actually got that left write junk working.... it was the only way to scroll using xvncviewer |
| 06:00:07 | catch23 | s/write/right/ |
| 06:01:01 | pkomarek | speaking of fscribe, I tried mailing the apparent maintainer Ian Walter at ian.walters@compaq.com, but it bounced. Anyone have a suggestion? |
| 06:10:48 | catch23 | what models out there have 32mb of flash rom? |
| 06:13:09 | pkomarek | catch23: I think it was somewhat random? I thought it was due to a shortage of smaller flash ram chips during a manufacturing run. |
| 06:13:33 | catch23 | random? |
| 06:13:37 | pkomarek | DW: watch your mail |
| 06:13:50 | catch23 | I don't recall... |
| 06:14:00 | DW | pkomarek: k |
| 06:14:18 | pkomarek | catch23: what I meant was that it wasn't a model number, so much as part or all of some batch for some particular model |
| 06:14:20 | DW | catch23: understanding is that it was japaneese models. |
| 06:14:29 | DW | do to said shortage |
| 06:14:32 | DW | due |
| 06:15:08 | catch23 | ah.. I have several ipaqs in front of me now, I didn't see a 32mb flash model today when flashing all of them.... |
| 06:16:28 | jacquesZzZz | rumor is that japanes models have 32MB flash because they need it due to bigger japanese wince image |
| 06:16:57 | jacquesZzZz | there were some US 36[35]0's made with 32MB flash due to a parts shortage - I have one |
| 06:17:17 | DW | lucky bum |
| 06:17:31 | pkomarek | jacquesZzZz: lucky bas^H^Hum |
| 06:18:13 | pkomarek | of course there is the DIY instructions: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/UpgradingDRAM and http://ksteele.com/ipaq/memory-upgrade.html |
| 06:18:43 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: heh :-) |
| 06:19:02 | jacquesZzZz | i got my ipaq in september |
| 06:19:11 | jacquesZzZz | they were nearly impossible to get then |
| 06:22:39 | pkomarek | minicom's NAKs didn't make me blink--but when I saw that I had a regular 16MB flash H3670, my heart sank a little. =-) |
| 06:23:16 | catch23 | same here |
| 06:23:35 | jacquesZzZz | i have never heard of a 32MB flash 36[67]0 |
| 06:24:06 | catch23 | I have a 3650 too, but no 32mb flash there either |
| 06:24:39 | catch23 | maybe I should check each and every ipaq my prof owns and keep the 32mb models :) |
| 06:25:05 | pkomarek | had I known that, I might not have been so disappointed |
| 06:45:48 | pkomarek | DW: let me know if everything's okay (gzip -t to check) |
| 06:47:09 | DW | haven't gotten anything yet, will check tomorrow. right now, time to sleep :) |
| 06:47:13 | DW | thanks |
| 06:47:54 | pkomarek | DW: maybe I'll take that as some good advice. |
| 06:59:23 | pkomarek | I just tried running debian's minicom from it's arm branch on my ipaq, but got an error "cannot execute binary". Running strip returned "Output file cannot represent architecture UNKNOWN!". Is there something obvious going on here? |
| 06:59:40 | pkomarek | (note, I did already check that my copy was indeed from the arm branch =-) |
| 07:05:23 | jacquesZzZz | pkomarek: dunno what's up with that - intimate is built from debian arm and all those binaries work |
| 07:06:21 | pkomarek | goodnight! |
| 08:28:45 | jacquesZzZz | yo BBrox |
| 08:29:23 | BBrox | 'lo everybody.... |
| 08:30:03 | jacquesZzZz | BBrox: I think "everybody" is me |
| 08:30:17 | BBrox | Ah :-) |
| 09:22:06 | Motse | Hi guys! How can I reboot my Pocket PC iPAQ without losing all data ? |
| 09:23:22 | BBrox | No idea, we are using Linux here.... I would just guess that you would need to save the data on a PC |
| 09:26:38 | Motse | The problem is that I have saved all data on a PC about 600 km away (I am on holliday). And the connection to another PC does not work anymore :-/ |
| 09:26:54 | Motse | I can start only a few programs |
| 09:28:07 | BBrox | No idea then |
| 09:29:36 | Motse | Is the current familiar 0.4 already (more or less) usable for everyday work ? |
| 09:30:56 | BBrox | Well, no :-) There are not really any PIM apps yet |
| 09:35:04 | robl^ | BBrox: what about QPE? |
| 09:35:21 | Motse | what apps are working currently ? |
| 09:45:06 | Kero | hey! someone else on both ipaq and ruby-lang :) |
| 09:59:21 | slideep | is idle (auto away after 20 minutes) [sarnus (l/on p/on)] |
| 13:15:38 | pghattas | sup |
| 13:18:00 | robl^ | hi e_m_rainey. were you successful? |
| 13:38:21 | e_m_rainey | no, it's stuck on "Booting Linux image" |
| 13:39:24 | e_m_rainey | robl^, it's stuck on "Booting Linux image" |
| 15:04:41 | BBrox | UAE is holding the record of compilation time on the iPAQ :-) |
| 15:45:34 | Leeds | anyone awake round here? |
| 15:45:53 | nikos | yep |
| 15:46:22 | Leeds | but nothing happening...? |
| 15:46:37 | nikos | It's Sunday. 8){ |
| 15:47:13 | Leeds | true :-) |
| 16:50:29 | willfe | Yeah. Boredom strikes again. |
| 16:58:06 | Nermal | ffs |
| 16:58:10 | Nermal | cook! |
| 16:58:22 | Kero | bored? would you do me a favour and point a browser to http://d4050.upc-d.chello.nl:8080/~kero/ipaq/ ? |
| 17:02:23 | Kero | thanX |
| 17:04:16 | willfe | browses |
| 17:04:40 | willfe | Hey! I see power management stuff. Cool :) |
| 17:04:47 | Kero | can follow which ppl look where, how nice. |
| 17:05:25 | Kero | Though I was mainly interested in two IP-addresses that are listed; they are still the same, even from a remote client. Oh, well. |
| 17:06:13 | willfe | :) |
| 17:06:42 | willfe | Good grief, the iPaq can spin MP3s from a microdrive for *10* hours with the PCMCIA sleeves? Heh. Very nifty. |
| 17:08:15 | Leeds | It doesn't feel like that to me |
| 17:09:02 | willfe | No? How long can you coax it to run? |
| 17:09:41 | Leeds | well, I don't like running it down to death, but I wouldn't be happy running for more than 4 or 5 hours away from the mains |
| 17:09:48 | Kero | Leeds: bother Tangent if you want to know how he did it, it's his measurement :) |
| 17:10:06 | Kero | There is at least a joke with lowered volume involved... |
| 17:11:04 | Leeds | I can't remember if it was tangent, but I know someone a long while ago was talking about 'caching' MP3s rather than real streaming - should save time if the udrive is only spinning for, say, 10 seconds per MP3 rather than constantly |
| 17:12:01 | willfe | That should work nicely on a 64MB unit... |
| 17:12:43 | willfe | Stupid Question of the Day(tm): What's the preferred mp3 player on iPaq linux? mpg123, xmms? |
| 17:13:16 | Kero | madplay? |
| 17:13:40 | willfe | Haven't heard of that one. [looks at freshmeat] |
| 17:19:08 | Kero | And you are nicely testing my httpd, as well. |
| 17:20:20 | willfe | Good. |
| 17:20:24 | willfe | :) |
| 17:20:29 | Leeds | madplay is a nice integer-only player |
| 17:20:50 | willfe | The StrongARM has no floating point unit, right? |
| 17:20:54 | Leeds | right |
| 17:21:22 | Kero | good news is that I wrote that httpd in Ruby, so should run out of the box for my iPAQ, too. |
| 17:21:26 | willfe | So madplay's faster than the players that use floating ponit? |
| 17:21:28 | willfe | Kero: Oh cool! |
| 17:21:37 | Leeds | yup |
| 17:21:39 | willfe | (I was a little curious why your httpd needed testing, but I was assuming "apache' :) |
| 17:23:11 | Kero | nope, small, secure, not yet as flexible as it should be, in Ruby. |
| 17:24:10 | willfe | Impressive! |
| 17:25:04 | willfe | URGH! I really hate how expensive cellphone accessories are. |
| 17:25:40 | willfe | I wanna get a data cable for my Mitsubishi T250 (which will act like a plain modem for things like the iPaq :) ... |
| 17:25:47 | willfe | But they seem to be at *least* $50 everywhere I look. |
| 17:26:03 | willfe | For a stupid serial cable with a funky connector on one end... |
| 17:26:06 | willfe | grumbles |
| 17:26:51 | Kero | Same here :( |
| 17:26:58 | Geyz | Hi all! |
| 17:27:02 | Geyz | I need some help |
| 17:27:03 | Geyz | ... |
| 17:27:44 | Geyz | I'm trying to make a distro for the Linux on Psion project... main feature will be a framebuffer x-type thing, such as Qt/Embedded, but I need a name for it. Any opinions? |
| 17:29:11 | willfe | 's terrible with names :) |
| 17:29:17 | Geyz | anyone? |
| 17:29:21 | Geyz | plz |
| 17:29:31 | Geyz | I want to get started within the hour |
| 17:30:07 | Kero | a name for something on a psion? |
| 17:30:15 | Kero | wrong channel! :) |
| 17:30:16 | Geyz | yea |
| 17:30:21 | Geyz | um... |
| 17:30:24 | Geyz | I know |
| 17:30:28 | Geyz | But the Linux7k chan is dead |
| 17:30:47 | Geyz | And the iPaq project seems to be interlinked with the Linux7k one via tangent |
| 17:31:09 | Kero | pws, pronounced ``paws'', the psion widget set |
| 17:31:17 | Geyz | um... |
| 17:31:25 | Geyz | It's gonna be a full distro |
| 17:31:45 | Kero | oops, misunderstood what you wanted the name for. |
| 17:33:08 | Geyz | anyone got any ideas? |
| 17:34:49 | willfe | draws a blank :( |
| 17:36:51 | boodle | Greetings, can anyone recommend a good,recent kernel version on ipaq in cvs ? |
| 17:37:03 | Kero | Geyz: pld, pronounced ``peeled'', but that's worse than the pws example... |
| 17:37:12 | Kero | boodle: wish I could |
| 17:39:27 | boodle | Kero: Tired of 2.4.3 goofiness with power mgmt.. I see 2.4.6-rmk1-np2 out.. dunno if worth trying |
| 17:39:42 | willfe | Woah. Odd. AT&T (my wireless provider) actually sells that data cable for $30(!). |
| 17:40:01 | willfe | 's surprised ... usually the service provider sells *expensive* accessories :) |
| 17:42:52 | Leeds | has a phone with an IR modem - no cables needed |
| 17:49:03 | willfe | Oooh nice. |
| 17:49:09 | willfe | The T250 lacks an IR port, regrettably. |
| 17:49:22 | willfe | My Nokia had one, but getting *that* thing to cooperate with *anything* was a challenge. |
| 17:49:49 | Leeds | Motorola Timeport - tri-band so it works in Europe and US, with built-in IR modem. Shit interface, decent phone |
| 17:50:14 | willfe | :) |
| 17:51:59 | Leeds | Not that I've got it working with a recent familiar - but I had it working with an old hh.org release, complete with customised 'chat' program to get me into my company dial-up |
| 17:52:22 | BBrox | Leeds: yeah, I agree, shitty interface :-) |
| 17:53:51 | Leeds | but it *does* work :-) |
| 17:55:11 | BBrox | only worked on the GPRS phones, so there is no code of mine in this phone :-) |
| 17:55:24 | Leeds | you * motorola? |
| 17:55:32 | Leeds | <doh> you @ motorola? |
| 17:55:42 | BBrox | Yup |
| 17:57:00 | Leeds | The Timeport was the only phone I could find with both tri-band and IR modem. Respect to that. Oh, and the battery lasts pretty well too :-) |
| 17:58:00 | BBrox | Well, knowing that AT&T may switch to GSM in the US, it could be nice to have a tri-band phone :-) |
| 17:58:23 | Leeds | One nice thing about Europe - a simple GSM phone works *everywhere* |
| 17:58:37 | BBrox | Yup |
| 17:58:46 | BBrox | Works also in China and Taiwan |
| 17:59:08 | Kero | and in the cities of Morocco. |
| 17:59:16 | Leeds | has never been to China, Taiwan or Morocco |
| 17:59:40 | Leeds | It worked in New York and Palo Alto though, which was nice... |
| 17:59:41 | Kero | heh, since Taiwan is China, officially, I've been to all of them :) |
| 18:00:18 | Kero | Haven't had a chance to test the triband in usa, though. |
| 18:00:59 | Leeds | It's nice to be able to get off the plane, flick a (software) switch, and SMS my parents to tell them that the plane landed safely. They worry :-) |
| 18:01:30 | Leeds | particularly when they're on holiday in Spain at the time :-) |
| 18:20:15 | BBrox | Hmpf, the optimization I had in mind for UAE does not work :-) |
| 18:46:46 | robl^ | hey nikos! |
| 18:46:59 | nikos | Hullo |
| 18:49:51 | robl^ | I am VERY impressed with my iPAQ. The only thing I haven't tried is usb-net. |
| 19:01:25 | Nermal | robl^: :) |
| 19:01:38 | robl^ | hi Nermal |
| 19:01:44 | Nermal | lo lo |
| 19:02:05 | robl^ | how are you this afternoon? |
| 19:02:32 | Leeds | evening - it's 2109 hours :-) |
| 19:03:19 | robl^ | 1503 here |
| 19:03:39 | Leeds | you're in the wrong place :-P |
| 19:04:02 | BBrox | Leeds: well, you are 6 minutes in the future :-) |
| 19:04:15 | Leeds | Where do you want to go tomorrow? |
| 19:05:09 | robl^ | hrmm. a microsoft clock advertisement? |
| 19:05:39 | Leeds | nah - I'm in the future. I guess that joke bombed :-( |
| 20:50:50 | Nermal | ym |
| 20:50:52 | Nermal | lo |
| 20:56:33 | DW | uggggggggg!!!!! |
| 20:56:39 | DW | still no good. |
| 20:57:08 | DW | now active sync is telling me it doesn't recognise the device -- never got that before |
| 21:00:59 | d00d | hello |
| 21:01:41 | d00d | anyone could point me to documentation about iPAQ cross-compiling? |
| 21:02:01 | nikos | d00d: Look through the wiki HandheldsQuestions |
| 21:09:09 | sjohnson | is away: food run |
| 21:14:28 | DW | this is really screwy |
| 21:17:45 | pkomarek | just got a CF sleeve, and put a CF memory card in, what device do I access? |
| 21:18:30 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:09:21) |
| 21:22:22 | DW | damnit. |
| 21:22:37 | DW | resists the temptation to throw the ipaq out the window |
| 21:23:24 | DW | such shotty hardware |
| 21:23:51 | DW | or at least shottily put together |
| 21:24:56 | pkomarek | DW: Hi again, sounds like things are going, well, badly? |
| 21:25:11 | DW | yeah |
| 21:25:30 | pkomarek | DW: Do you have a CF sleeve for your ipaq? |
| 21:25:58 | DW | yes, and a small 8meg flash card, that's how I was able to put the bootldr back on |
| 21:26:09 | DW | using my old handheld :) |
| 21:26:19 | pkomarek | DW: Are you making progress, then? |
| 21:26:33 | DW | of course, my cf sleeve isn't working quite right. |
| 21:26:44 | DW | no, actually I seem to have not move far at all |
| 21:27:06 | DW | the alternate rom image is installed, but now I even have less connectivity |
| 21:27:38 | pkomarek | DW: oh. I have a question--just bought a CF sleeve, cardctl shows my 64MB CF card, but what device do I use for access? |
| 21:27:40 | pkomarek | =-( |
| 21:27:44 | DW | it doesn't connect via usb -- says the device is not recognised, and the entries for serial connection are missing from the activesync settings on the device |
| 21:28:10 | pkomarek | DW: have you considered going back to linux? ;^) |
| 21:28:29 | pkomarek | DW: you have an H3670, yes? |
| 21:28:36 | DW | no, familiar is two inches short of useless as is, to me at least |
| 21:28:38 | DW | yes |
| 21:28:52 | d00d | i'm getting lost with that FAQ |
| 21:29:16 | DW | I want familiar for x and mobile ip, but ce serves me well for pda functions and documents |
| 21:29:28 | pkomarek | I understand about familiar being short of a productivity tool -- I've gotten almost nothing socially redeeming done since I got my ipaq! |
| 21:29:28 | DW | or did anyway |
| 21:29:32 | d00d | i've downloaded the kernel from CVS, how can i crosscompile it? |
| 21:31:39 | pkomarek | dood: look at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20to%20compile%20applications%20and%20develop%20for%20the%20iPAQ and http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HOWTO%20Build%20a%20Cross%20Toolchain%20in%20Brief |
| 21:31:57 | pkomarek | I think you want to look in that order (note I haven't done any of this myself) |
| 21:32:03 | d00d | thanks |
| 21:32:10 | pkomarek | DW: did you see my question about using CF memory? |
| 21:33:26 | DW | oh, um, not sure, never tried that. I've seen that the microdrive is handled as hda thou, I would assume prbably the same for cf |
| 21:34:02 | sjohnson | Yes, all CF memory cards show up as IDE devices. |
| 21:34:09 | d00d | pkomarek: i've already seen this (the second one).. are you sure it's the *only* way to do it? |
| 21:38:13 | pkomarek | d00d: as I said, I have no experience. But if you want to target the arm architecture, you need compiler that targets arm. Maybe you can find a precompiled toolchain? |
| 21:38:43 | d00d | oh hell... |
| 21:38:44 | pkomarek | d00d: why do you need to recompile the kernel? |
| 21:39:07 | pkomarek | sjohnson and DW: thanks! |
| 21:39:11 | d00d | pkomarek: the custom kernel doesn't work, and i'm told a newer version will |
| 21:39:33 | pkomarek | d00d: maybe you could bribe someone to provide a newer binary... |
| 21:39:58 | d00d | pkomarek: i hope... have you seen the second URL? it's scaring |
| 21:40:23 | erikm | looks for BZFlag |
| 21:40:33 | pkomarek | d00d: I was going to read it later tonight. I wan't to cut down minicom to the bare essentials. |
| 21:41:29 | d00d | this will take months |
| 21:41:58 | pkomarek | sjohnson: should I partition my CF card? I'm guessing no because fdisk isn't part of Familiar... |
| 21:42:02 | d00d | anyone here has a newer kernel image and modules for the iPAQ? |
| 21:42:58 | sjohnson | pkomarek: You CF card is already partitioned and formated with an msdos fs |
| 21:43:40 | pkomarek | DW: maybe you should feign innocence and see if MS can help you? |
| 21:44:06 | DW | I think it's out of MS's had at this point. |
| 21:44:33 | pkomarek | <sjohnson> is there any advantage to leaving it as a FAT fs? (ext2 being preferred) |
| 21:44:56 | DW | being able to read it outside of linux |
| 21:45:07 | pkomarek | DW: there's an outside? |
| 21:45:10 | sjohnson | pkomarek: It doesn't matter. Choice you own poison. And DW has a good point. |
| 21:52:26 | pkomarek | <sjohnson> When trying to mount -t msdos, I'm told the kernel doesn' support msdos filesystems. What is the right way to do this? |
| 21:52:43 | DW | -t vfat |
| 21:52:43 | sjohnson | pkomarek: Try vfat |
| 21:54:23 | pkomarek | I get the wrong fs error, in that case. I think I'm going to have to look into this more closely myself -- thanks for the help! |
| 22:02:28 | pkomarek | sjohnson and DW: Okay, I'm an idiot. Because I didn't have to partition the card, I was treating it like a CD -- mounting the device (hda) instead of the partition (hda1). |
| 22:17:39 | DW | ah |
| 23:05:03 | Nermal | lo |
| 23:39:19 | sjohnson | is away: watching television |