| 02:50:11 | mwlinux | Is thier an abiword like app for Familiar? I finally got it installed on my iPaq, I just need a text editor |
| 02:51:07 | mwlinux | ?? |
| 10:30:01 | | hello, faralla |
| 10:30:01 | faralla | hello |
| 10:31:26 | faralla | Onyone knows how to flash a german-winCE-update to a device, where an english version is installed? |
| 11:26:02 | faralla | Anyone knows the md5sums of the german build 3.0.9348 ? (Don´t know if that is the right build. I mean the newest german WinCE) |
| 12:05:01 | faralla | I just startet 'run' from bootldr. The IPaq´s screen goes black, but nothing happens in the terminal..# |
| 12:54:07 | | bugger all, i dunno, trj |
| 12:54:07 | trj | ibot screen size? |
| 12:54:21 | nikos | trj: Of what? |
| 12:54:25 | trj | ipaq. |
| 12:54:29 | nikos | 240x230 |
| 12:54:30 | trj | 320x240? |
| 12:54:32 | nikos | err |
| 12:54:34 | nikos | 240x320 |
| 12:54:38 | nikos | either |
| 12:54:39 | trj | k, thanks. |
| 12:55:11 | trj | is trying to write some sdl stuff to work fullscreen. |
| 13:19:42 | nikos | Hi mpakula |
| 13:20:24 | mpakula | nikos: Hi nikos lot of ppl do not know that they have to reset iPAQ after bootldr is loaded |
| 13:21:36 | nikos | mpakula: I don't understand that. There's a whole step in the instructions that say to do that. |
| 13:22:27 | nikos | mpakula: Hopefully we will be able to alleviate the confusion somewhat with the next release which will have complete instructions all together. |
| 13:23:03 | mpakula | nikos: well remember when i was doing that i had the same problem the thing is that not many ppl know how to reset it and on familiar0.4 this step is not so obviously explained |
| 13:24:10 | nikos | mpakula: You confuse me even further. There is nothing in the familiar v0.4 instructions that would apply here. It's only with osloader that you can't protect the flash, and there is not mention of that utility in the familiar instructions. |
| 13:24:18 | nikos | s/not/no/ |
| 13:27:43 | mpakula | nikos: after load bootldr i had to reset ipaq to protect flash right? reading instructions from 0.4 that is not obvious. Seems to me like you expect ppl to read installation insturctions from 0.2 |
| 13:28:28 | nikos | mpakula: The familiar instructions do not have any instructions for loading the bootloader. They direct you to the v0.20/install.html instructions to do that. Which clearly state in step 14 or 15 to reboot the ipaq. |
| 13:29:01 | nikos | mpakula: The familiar instructions only tell you how to upgrade the bootloader, which requires you to have a working one already installed. In which case the pflash command would work. |
| 13:37:24 | mpakula | nikos:could you gve me once more the path to stable releases of software for familiar ? |
| 13:37:43 | | nikos: i'm not following you... |
| 13:37:43 | nikos | ibot: current familiar |
| 13:37:52 | | latest familiar is probably at ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/latest |
| 13:37:52 | nikos | ibot: latest familiar |
| 13:38:14 | nikos | mpakula: Do you mean the release or feed? |
| 13:38:18 | | somebody said stable feed was at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/stable/packages/armv4l |
| 13:38:18 | nikos | ibot: stable feed |
| 13:38:38 | | okay, nikos. |
| 13:38:38 | nikos | ibot: latest familiar is also at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/latest |
| 13:38:42 | | latest familiar is probably at ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/latest or at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/latest |
| 13:38:42 | nikos | ibot: latest familiar |
| 13:40:17 | mpakula | do you know what has been changed in latest release ? I don't thing there is a need to upgrade from 0.4 ? |
| 13:40:58 | cworth | mpakula: 0.4 *is* the latest release. There are some newer packages in the unstable feed however. |
| 13:42:54 | nikos | mpakula: latest is just a symlink to the current release. Which remains v0.4. |
| 13:43:56 | mpakula | lots of feeds, is there a place with description of packages, for example this is email or mp3 player |
| 13:47:08 | nikos | mpakula: I'm afraid not. |
| 13:48:28 | mpakula | nikos: ;o( how do i install packages ipkg install <path/name> ? |
| 13:48:37 | nikos | mpakula: see ipkg --help |
| 13:48:41 | nikos | or |
| 13:48:43 | | ipkg is a work-in-progress package manager for the iPAQ. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG |
| 13:48:43 | nikos | ibot: ipkg |
| 14:28:06 | LandSIide | when was the contest published? |
| 14:28:36 | nikos | Yesterday |
| 14:29:47 | LandSIide | slashdot has some good exposure for you guys.... is everything getting ramped up now? or still a lot of work to do? |
| 14:30:06 | nikos | LandSIide: What is your desired status? |
| 14:30:17 | trj | More applications would be nice... |
| 14:30:30 | nikos | LandSIide: It's ready for application developers and hackers. Not really for most users. |
| 14:30:33 | LandSIide | commercial release of iPaq with Linux OS.. not ce. ;) |
| 14:30:41 | LandSIide | i see. |
| 14:30:44 | nikos | LandSIide: Not for that no. |
| 14:30:45 | dneuer | is away: gotta pretend to work |
| 14:31:14 | LandSIide | you compaq guys should be selling ipaq's without ce.. or have you still to work out the issues with MSoft/ |
| 14:31:21 | trj | Most people don't seem to want a shell based handheld... can't imagine why :) |
| 14:31:29 | LandSIide | yeah that's silly |
| 14:31:30 | nikos | LandSIide: You guys? We are not Compaq. |
| 14:31:40 | LandSIide | ahhh. |
| 14:31:53 | LandSIide | anyway i installed the latest ipaqsoft windowsce update... |
| 14:31:57 | LandSIide | does that fix the button problem? |
| 14:32:12 | LandSIide | i saw something mentioned in the readme... but was ambiguous. |
| 14:32:14 | nikos | LandSIide: We only do Open source operating systems here. Don't know anything about CE. |
| 14:32:20 | LandSIide | bummer ;) |
| 14:32:36 | trj | LandSIide: which "button problem"? |
| 14:32:47 | nikos | LandSIide: How about a URL to that Readme? |
| 14:32:48 | LandSIide | the holding of 2 buttons at the same time. |
| 14:32:56 | trj | AFAIK that's a hardware limitation. |
| 14:32:59 | nikos | I don't see how that could be fixed with software. |
| 14:33:09 | LandSIide | k.. give me a sec. |
| 14:33:13 | nikos | But if they claim otherwise, I would really really like to see the claim. |
| 14:33:32 | LandSIide | something was fixed with the buttons. |
| 14:33:38 | LandSIide | I only installed the os update tonight... |
| 14:33:45 | LandSIide | took fscking ages though ;) |
| 14:33:51 | LandSIide | even though I have a ethernet card. |
| 14:34:33 | LandSIide | by the way compaq's ftp site sucks.. doesn't support PASV (if any of you guys are listening). |
| 14:34:41 | LandSIide | :) |
| 14:34:41 | nikos | LandSIide: Which site? |
| 14:34:51 | LandSIide | but it managed to get through our firewall anyway. |
| 14:35:14 | LandSIide | http://www5.compaq.com/support/files/handhelds/us/download/9820.html |
| 14:35:20 | LandSIide | note on : Fixed incorrect key sequences that resulted when the "Action" key was pressed. |
| 14:35:25 | trj | LandSIide: this irc channel is for open OSs on the Compaq iPAQ. Nobody here really does CE stuff. |
| 14:35:28 | nikos | LandSIide: No one from that side of the world would be found here. |
| 14:35:42 | nikos | LandSIide: Thanks for the URL. |
| 14:35:49 | LandSIide | no probs. |
| 14:36:04 | LandSIide | what about jamey and co.. they're compaqians. |
| 14:36:27 | LandSIide | or have things changed in the last 6 months . hehe |
| 14:36:29 | nikos | LandSIide: They are in research, they don't do anything with CE. |
| 14:36:43 | LandSIide | oh... |
| 14:36:46 | nikos | LandSIide: Where do you see something about the buttons? |
| 14:36:54 | LandSIide | note on : Fixed incorrect key sequences that resulted when the "Action" key was pressed.\ |
| 14:37:01 | LandSIide | i don't think it's the case. |
| 14:37:09 | nikos | LandSIide: Ah, that's not the multiple button press thing then. |
| 14:37:12 | LandSIide | i just remember browsing it. |
| 14:37:27 | LandSIide | is there a new ipaq on the way? |
| 14:37:43 | LandSIide | i brought 2 this time last year... 3630's. |
| 14:37:51 | nikos | LandSIide: Like what? Something beyond the 3660/3670s? |
| 14:37:54 | trj | Why 2? |
| 14:38:03 | LandSIide | 1 linux.. 1 ce. |
| 14:38:05 | LandSIide | ;) |
| 14:38:11 | trj | Well.. nice if you can afford it. |
| 14:38:23 | LandSIide | managed to pick them up by fluke at circuit city in Tulsa of all places. |
| 14:38:34 | LandSIide | I'm from Sydney Australia... so that's a damn coincidence. |
| 14:38:44 | LandSIide | company pays... |
| 14:38:52 | trj | needs a company like that. |
| 14:39:44 | LandSIide | yeah I guess they are expensive for home use... |
| 14:40:19 | LandSIide | I have heaps of devices.. like we develop for Casio EG-800's more than iPaq's... they're like $1000 US or something. |
| 14:40:30 | LandSIide | nice screens though.. but not as friendly outdoors. |
| 14:41:30 | LandSIide | We haven't done any serious work with iPaq's linux yet... I'm just keeping uptodate with the happenings... |
| 14:42:10 | LandSIide | There will be some great oppertunities soon... I am just curious about get cross-device portability over linux.. and development tools tailored for mobile computing.... |
| 14:47:21 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 14:55:18 | slowcoder | Q: I just installed Fam v0.4 on my iPAQ 3630.. Why is 'df -k' only reporting 15Mb for ramfs ? |
| 14:55:54 | trj | Because the RamFS is 16 mb and the rest is used for main memory? |
| 14:56:04 | trj | 15 even. |
| 14:56:35 | slowcoder | ? But doesn't ramfs automaticaly resize itself? |
| 14:57:07 | trj | Well, if it does, it probably lies about the amount of free space. |
| 14:57:34 | slowcoder | trj: Seems so... Well, I'll look into it.. |
| 15:08:01 | sjohnson | is away: Gont to lunch |
| 15:46:12 | | vortex: no idea |
| 15:46:12 | vorteX | ibot flash? |
| 15:46:24 | | vortex: i don't know |
| 15:46:24 | vorteX | ibot jffs? |
| 15:46:44 | | i haven't a clue, vortex |
| 15:46:44 | vorteX | ibot jffs2? |
| 15:47:28 | trj | vorteX: what are you looking for? |
| 15:47:44 | vorteX | i had some errors on a reboot... |
| 15:48:00 | vorteX | problems reading from the flash, and / was mounted read-only |
| 15:48:15 | vorteX | i rebooted about twice, and the errors persisted |
| 15:48:21 | trj | Ask dwmw2 in #handhelds.org, he's the jffs2 guy. |
| 15:48:40 | vorteX | ok thanks |
| 16:00:05 | vorteX | trj tnx i've been helped |
| 16:00:19 | vorteX | where's nikos today ? |
| 16:00:55 | trj | Dunno, he was about. |
| 16:00:58 | | nikos was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 hours, 13 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: is away: Errands [Tue Jun 19 15:47:21 2001] |
| 16:00:58 | trj | ibot seen nikos |
| 16:01:21 | vorteX | errands :0 |
| 16:02:03 | vorteX | how much do you know about remapping h/w buttons trj ? |
| 16:03:02 | vorteX | i'm looking for a way to have a button restart X if you press it twice (quickly) or hold it in long ... |
| 16:04:49 | trj | Yeah, use xmodmap and bbkeys. |
| 16:05:35 | vorteX | how will you link xmodmap to a s/w program or event ? |
| 16:05:43 | trj | bbkeys |
| 16:06:05 | vorteX | know xmodmap never headr of bbkeys |
| 16:06:08 | trj | It's a blackbox addon that runs programs/scripts in response to window manager and X events. |
| 16:06:32 | vorteX | is it dependent on a window manager to be active? |
| 16:06:55 | trj | I don't think so, I think you can run it without blackbox, just on X. |
| 16:06:55 | vorteX | (ideally i would like the h/w button to work if the wmanager dies) |
| 16:07:10 | trj | ok, I don't know how to do that. |
| 16:07:14 | vorteX | is this part of familiar though ? |
| 16:07:24 | trj | No, afaik bbkeys isn't in familiar. |
| 16:07:38 | vorteX | any idea where i can get it from ? |
| 16:08:18 | trj | No, not really. |
| 16:08:40 | vorteX | ok i think i'm on to it |
| 16:09:50 | vorteX | http://buildd.armlinux.org/~buildd/build.php?arch%3Darm |
| 16:10:40 | | i haven't a clue, vortex |
| 16:10:40 | vorteX | ibot bbkeys? |
| 16:13:10 | slowcoder | Would it be possible to try out Intimate over PPP over serial ? |
| 16:13:54 | slowcoder | (yes, I've got lots of spare time.. :) ) |
| 16:17:18 | nikos | is back |
| 16:18:05 | slowcoder | !? Is the contents of the RAM cleared when I press the reset-button? |
| 16:18:53 | nikos | slowcoder: Yes |
| 16:19:00 | vorteX | slowcoder: that's why they call it ram isn't it :) |
| 16:19:42 | slowcoder | Well... Pressing it in CE doesn't.... |
| 16:20:42 | nikos | slowcoder: I think you might want to test that again. You will be back to a fresh install with the exception of some contacts saved in flash. |
| 16:21:18 | nikos | slowcoder: With Familiar you are free to use the Flash just like an R/W filesystem and store things with no fear of loss due to power loss. |
| 16:21:52 | slowcoder | nikos: Quite sure... Pressing the reset-button doesn't clear the mem.. The powerswitch will tough... |
| 16:22:00 | vorteX | yes but you can only write 100k times / |
| 16:22:01 | vorteX | ? |
| 16:22:21 | nikos | vorteX: JFFS2 is a journalling filesystem. You don't really have to worry about that. |
| 16:22:39 | slowcoder | nikos: I'm familiar with jffs, but I'd like to store applications and OS related things there... MP3s should go in RAM... |
| 16:22:43 | vorteX | how does jffs2 journalling help with that ? |
| 16:22:50 | nikos | slowcoder: Unless something is changed I remember that behaviour quite clearly with CE in the short time that I had it. |
| 16:23:10 | vorteX | will it write to ram first ? |
| 16:23:28 | nikos | vorteX: The limit is on erasures, not writes. A journalling filesystem will not erase blocks until there are not enough free ones. |
| 16:24:00 | vorteX | thanks for clarifying that |
| 16:24:37 | slowcoder | nikos: I'm 99.99% sure, but I'll check it next time I get the urge to install CE... *s* |
| 16:24:51 | nikos | slowcoder: I don't say that you are lying. ;) But your's is the first claim that CE maintains the fileystem over resets that I have ever heard. |
| 16:25:12 | vorteX | slow i think it works a bit differently when you press the small reset button |
| 16:25:39 | slowcoder | vorteX: 'small' reset button?? Are there more than one _reset_ button ? |
| 16:25:43 | nikos | What button are we talking about? I"m talking about the "reset" button which is on the bottom. |
| 16:25:57 | vorteX | all applications that were busy (in RAM) are not restored when you reset wince |
| 16:26:03 | nikos | Not the "power" button which is just a button like all the others on the front and can do whatever the software wants. |
| 16:26:03 | vorteX | yea me too |
| 16:26:05 | slowcoder | nikos: Me too... Lower right.. |
| 16:26:18 | nikos | slowcoder: Yes. |
| 16:26:23 | vorteX | i have noticed only one difference |
| 16:26:35 | vorteX | wince does not lose the time when you press that button |
| 16:26:53 | vorteX | how is that possible ? |
| 16:26:57 | nikos | Linux can do that to. Just needs a little software support. |
| 16:27:06 | nikos | s/to/too/ |
| 16:27:22 | trj | You could write the current time to flash, then knowing how long the system takes to reset, set it on boot *g* |
| 16:27:25 | vorteX | hopefully with the next release ;) |
| 16:27:29 | trj | (or just use the clock) |
| 16:27:38 | nikos | trj: The iPAQ has an RTC. No need. ;) |
| 16:27:41 | vorteX | guestimating it ? |
| 16:27:57 | trj | nikos: I know, I'm just thinking horrible thoughts :) |
| 16:28:08 | nikos | The RTC simply has no extra battery. So complete battery failure will lose the time. |
| 16:28:14 | vorteX | mmm, so who is going to implement this for us ? ;) |
| 16:28:26 | nikos | vorteX: What? |
| 16:28:42 | vorteX | time retention after shutdown -r |
| 16:28:48 | nikos | vorteX: It's already implemented . And called hwclock. |
| 16:28:55 | vorteX | huh ? |
| 16:29:02 | vorteX | mine is lost if i reset |
| 16:29:07 | nikos | vorteX: You just need the system setup to do the right thing automatically. Which Familiar does not do right now. |
| 16:29:11 | vorteX | am i missing something? |
| 16:29:22 | nikos | vorteX: The utility is already there. It just isn't being run automatically. |
| 16:29:33 | nikos | vorteX: The utility is called hwclock like on all Linux systems. |
| 16:29:37 | vorteX | sorry i am learning slowly but surely :) |
| 16:30:01 | vorteX | mmm, it's not on mine yet :) |
| 16:30:11 | nikos | It may not be in v0.4 release. |
| 16:30:20 | vorteX | that's a fact |
| 16:30:24 | vorteX | i just checked |
| 16:30:35 | slowcoder | How much is an IBM Microdrive ? |
| 16:30:48 | slowcoder | (Whatever currency) |
| 16:30:54 | nikos | It has been in past releases. But there was some fear that it didn't work 100% and there was a desire to try to make v0.4 a complete working release. |
| 16:30:59 | trj | slowcoder: depends where you live... I got my 340mb one for 130 GBP. |
| 16:31:05 | nikos | slowcoder: See dealtime.com |
| 16:31:17 | nikos | slowcoder: For US prices that is. |
| 16:31:18 | vorteX | can you perhaps point me to it nikos? |
| 16:31:29 | slowcoder | trj: Oki... Thanks.. |
| 16:31:29 | | wish i knew, vortex |
| 16:31:29 | vorteX | ibot hwclock? |
| 16:32:08 | slowcoder | Is there some way we can "learn" ibot? Even if you're not a bot-admin.. |
| 16:32:37 | nikos | slowcoder: Anyone can tell ibot anything. |
| 16:32:39 | | no idea, trj |
| 16:32:39 | trj | ibot slowcoder is a person who wants to teach you. |
| 16:32:46 | | trj: i'm not following you... |
| 16:32:46 | trj | ibot slowcoder |
| 16:32:48 | trj | bah. |
| 16:32:55 | | trj: huh? |
| 16:32:55 | trj | ibot fetch! |
| 16:32:57 | vorteX | lol |
| 16:33:06 | | OK, nikos. |
| 16:33:06 | nikos | ibot: slowcoder is here |
| 16:33:11 | nikos | slowcoder |
| 16:33:15 | | hmmm... slowcoder is here |
| 16:33:15 | nikos | ibot: slowcoder |
| 16:33:20 | | nikos: I forgot slowcoder |
| 16:33:20 | nikos | ibot: forget slowcoder |
| 16:33:24 | nikos | Try with : |
| 16:34:51 | vorteX | nikos, do you know if /proc reports ttySA0 stats ? |
| 16:34:51 | nikos | slowcoder: You could probably steal a copy from a skiffcluster, but I don't think it has been packaged up at this point. |
| 16:34:58 | sjohnson | is back |
| 16:35:01 | nikos | vorteX: Stats? |
| 16:35:16 | vorteX | yes, as in traffic or connectivity status |
| 16:35:41 | vorteX | i have found my tty to become unresponsive in some situations |
| 16:36:05 | nikos | vorteX: I'm not aware of any /proc entries that contain that information. But maybe that's just my ignorance. |
| 16:36:06 | vorteX | maybe i can code something to react on some of the /proc tty stats? |
| 16:36:15 | | OK, slowcoder. |
| 16:36:15 | slowcoder | ibot: ibot: jffs is JFFS is the Journaling Flash File System developed by Axis Communications in Sweden, aimed at providing a crash/powerdown-safe filesystem for disk-less embedded devices. |
| 16:36:50 | | BZFlag: I forgot jffs |
| 16:36:50 | BZFlag | ibot: forget jffs |
| 16:36:57 | slowcoder | Hmm.. How much text can an explanation contain? |
| 16:37:03 | | OK, BZFlag. |
| 16:37:03 | BZFlag | ibot: ibot: jffs is <reply> JFFS is the Journaling Flash File System developed by Axis Communications in Sweden, aimed at providing a crash/powerdown-safe filesystem for disk-less embedded devices. |
| 16:37:25 | BZFlag | slowcoder: don't know if there is a hardcoded limit or not. |
| 16:37:42 | BZFlag | probably just the irc line limit 200 some odd characters? |
| 16:38:52 | slowcoder | Short explanations then... |
| 16:39:01 | | OK, slowcoder. |
| 16:39:01 | slowcoder | ibot: flash is Flash memory (sometimes called "flash RAM") is a type of constantly-powered nonvolatile memory that can be erased and reprogrammed in units of memory called blocks. |
| 16:40:20 | | OK, slowcoder. |
| 16:40:20 | slowcoder | ibot: hwclock is a tool for accessing the Hardware Clock. You can display the current time, set the Hardware Clock to a specified time, set the Hardware Clock to the System Time, and set the System Time from the Hardware Clock. |
| 16:43:09 | slowcoder | Where can I find the doc in Wiki about building a cross-compiler? |
| 16:44:42 | vorteX | anybody here maybe have bbkeys to dcc to me ? |
| 16:44:47 | slowcoder | Found it.. |
| 16:45:38 | slowcoder | vorteX: Check out http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/ |
| 16:46:34 | vorteX | slowcoder thanx a lot |
| 16:46:53 | vorteX | i really need to get somewhere with assigning functions to h/w buttons |
| 16:47:41 | | nikos: excuse me? |
| 16:47:41 | nikos | ibot: cross toolchain |
| 16:47:45 | | nikos: sorry... |
| 16:47:45 | nikos | ibot: cross tool chain |
| 16:47:49 | | nikos: huh? |
| 16:47:49 | nikos | ibot: cross compiler |
| 16:47:54 | | nikos: excuse me? |
| 16:47:54 | nikos | ibot: cross tools |
| 16:47:59 | nikos | ibot: search for cross |
| 16:48:40 | slowcoder | nikos: I found it.... |
| 16:48:54 | nikos | slowcoder: The one on the wiki? |
| 16:49:01 | slowcoder | nikos: Yup |
| 16:49:21 | nikos | cool |
| 16:49:52 | slowcoder | nikos: Downloading toolchain as we speak... |
| 16:49:54 | nikos | The author is on #handhelds.org right now. ;) |
| 17:03:55 | slowcoder | Hmm... The ramfs mount is only 15Mb... No more, no less.. Doesn't shrink or grow.. What's this? |
| 17:04:44 | nikos | slowcoder: On what are you basing this? |
| 17:05:04 | nikos | slowcoder: It should be exactly the size of it's contents. No bigger no larger. |
| 17:05:13 | nikos | slowcoder: You are talking about /mnt/ramfs right? |
| 17:05:29 | nikos | slowcoder: It probably has an upper limit set to 16MB. |
| 17:06:48 | slowcoder | nikos: How do I adjust the upper limit then?? I can't see any options i /etc/fstab... (Yes, talking about /mnt/ramfs) |
| 17:07:42 | nikos | slowcoder: I think it is a compile time setting. |
| 17:08:01 | slowcoder | nikos: Okay |
| 17:08:25 | mwlinux | Where can I get some pim software for my Familiar 0.4 Distro? |
| 17:26:11 | slowcoder | Can I download the HH.org kernel from anything else than CVS ? CVS here is _slow_ |
| 17:36:48 | nikos | slowcoder: Be sure to use -z3 or something with CVS. |
| 17:37:45 | slowcoder | nikos: Thanks... A lot faster now.. :) |
| 17:39:35 | slowcoder | Is the deep-sleep problem fixed?? I.e no more than 8h of standby-time.. |
| 17:42:09 | nikos | slowcoder: I get a lot more than that. |
| 17:42:18 | nikos | slowcoder: But it varies. |
| 17:42:33 | slowcoder | varies? |
| 17:43:09 | nikos | slowcoder: It's not 100% finished I think. I get anywhere from 3 days to over a week of sleep time. |
| 17:43:25 | nikos | slowcoder: It's complex making sure that all devices are shut down properly. |
| 17:46:41 | slowcoder | Ok, so a day or two shouldn't be a problem then... |
| 17:49:37 | vorteX | anyone know of any stylus hacks for windowmaker ? |
| 17:50:58 | nikos | nelson: What do you mean about not turning off the screen and touchscreen? |
| 17:51:26 | nikos | nelson: That was specifically done because otherwise hitting the touchscreen turned the LCD back on. |
| 17:52:21 | slowcoder | ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from //tmp/ipkg/apmd_3.0final-1_arm.ipk |
| 17:52:26 | slowcoder | doh! |
| 17:52:49 | nikos | slowcoder: Delete that file and try installing that one again. |
| 17:54:10 | slowcoder | nikos: Worked better... Thnx. |
| 17:57:25 | slowcoder | [root@familiar:~]$ apm |
| 17:57:26 | slowcoder | AC on-line (0:05) |
| 17:57:31 | slowcoder | 5min? |
| 17:58:05 | nikos | Umm, is that new? I don't remember a command line apm app. |
| 17:58:20 | nikos | :) The times are not accurate probably. |
| 17:58:26 | nikos | cat /proc/apm |
| 17:59:06 | slowcoder | 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0xff 0xff 110% 330 sec |
| 17:59:16 | slowcoder | 330 sec ~= 5min |
| 17:59:23 | nikos | s/sec/min/ |
| 17:59:30 | nikos | Even then it is a total guess. |
| 17:59:52 | slowcoder | Ok, so how can I chech the battery-status? |
| 18:00:07 | nikos | That's what that is. |
| 18:00:20 | nikos | The percentage doesn't make sense while you have AC plugged in though. |
| 18:00:26 | slowcoder | Ah.. |
| 18:00:42 | slowcoder | Oki... So, the percentage is accurate, but the battery-time isn't? |
| 18:00:48 | nikos | slowcoder: Right. |
| 18:00:53 | nikos | slowcoder: Well, no. |
| 18:01:13 | nikos | slowcoder: It's right at 100% (more or less), but 50% is probably more like 10%. |
| 18:01:23 | nikos | slowcoder: It's highly dependent on what hardware is attached. |
| 18:01:29 | slowcoder | nikos: As in CE then... |
| 18:33:35 | mwlinux | is there any pim software out there? |
| 18:36:58 | dneuer | is back (gone 04:06:13) |
| 18:37:01 | dneuer | is away: gotta get a cup of coffee |
| 18:39:01 | dneuer | is back (gone 00:01:59) |
| 19:06:57 | mwlinux | Is there a good calendar type application available yet? |
| 19:08:59 | nikos | mwlinux: I would recommend using the wiki and handhelds.org search features. |
| 19:09:07 | nikos | mwlinux: The handhelds.org search will also search the mailing lists. |
| 19:12:13 | mwlinux | thanks. |
| 19:24:32 | boodle | is away: java, no!...NET, no way!... coffee! |
| 21:00:18 | boodle | is back (gone 01:35:46) |
| 21:21:11 | sjohnson | is away: Quitting time. Headed home |
| 21:57:07 | nelson | nikos: yes, but that was before we had deep-sleep working. |
| 21:59:22 | fad | is there a package with tcpdump, dsniff, hping, nmap, smbtcpdump? |
| 21:59:31 | fad | fancies warwalking |