| 08:48:18 | fUD | Hi |
| 12:02:47 | mpakula | do i reset ipaq after bootldr with very right bottom button with the arrow on it ? |
| 12:06:16 | digdude | mpakula: the reset switch is on the bottom face that is usually covered when the ipaq is in the cradle. |
| 12:06:27 | digdude | mpakula: it's recessed, look for a little hole about the size of a pen-point. |
| 12:06:40 | digdude | mpakula: the tip of the stylus will fit in there. |
| 12:07:12 | digdude | mpakula: if it is time to reset, you can push that, then put the ipaq back in the cradle right away, and hit the space bar to work with the bootloader further. |
| 12:08:50 | mpakula | well what a nice photo i think now is the time to load kernel but before protect the flash ? |
| 12:11:24 | digdude | mpakula: are you installing familiar? |
| 12:12:42 | mpakula | yes on my h3670 |
| 12:13:06 | catch23 | there must be some intimate users here... |
| 12:13:40 | vh | sorry, not on Wednesdays.. |
| 12:14:05 | catch23 | bleh... |
| 12:14:28 | digdude | mpakula: ah. i've never used a 3670. is qflash returning the 00010001 number? |
| 12:15:06 | catch23 | anyone here boot intimate from nfs before? |
| 12:15:23 | vh | catch23, #intimate |
| 12:15:41 | boodle | simply mounts intimate usr stuff to /usr/local and accesses its goodies |
| 12:16:59 | mpakula | digdude: yes exackly and i'm damn happy about it |
| 12:17:50 | catch23 | nobody's around in intimate... :( |
| 12:21:15 | catch23 | boodle, are you able to run konqueror by just mounting it to local? |
| 12:23:51 | boodle | catch23: after running ldconfig to ensure /usr/local/lib stuff is added to lib cache (and editing ld.so.conf iirc to point to any odd lib directories for X11 stuff) |
| 12:28:25 | catch23 | boodle, err... so /usr/local points to the /usr/local in intimate? what do you do with the /lib stuff in intimate? |
| 12:29:01 | boodle | catch23: no I have the usrspace image for intimate (that big 80MB file iirc) mounted on my ipaq as /usr/local.. |
| 12:29:48 | catch23 | err okay, I've got mine mounted in /mnt/nfs... |
| 12:30:23 | boodle | catch23: regading browsers, honestly I think dillo's the best one going so far for the ipaq formfactor.. doesn't handle everything but it does do most things ok and in a way that is v. usable on ipaq |
| 12:30:42 | boodle | s/regading/regarding/ |
| 12:30:52 | mpakula | help after uploading kernel and the numbers are wright i tried to load root but Don't understand command >root< appears my mistake? |
| 12:31:16 | catch23 | well I was hoping to use some other stuff intimate offers... I was just offering konq as example... |
| 12:31:36 | boodle | catch23: sure, np.. yes I like having access to it's wealth.. |
| 12:31:54 | nikos | mpakula: Which directions are you looking at and which step are you confused about? |
| 12:31:55 | catch23 | if I can get konqueror working, then I should be able to get most stuff working... |
| 12:32:51 | catch23 | I just couldn't get intimate to load the wvlan driver and get the network going so that it could mount nfs in that linuxrc.initimate script... |
| 12:32:58 | boodle | catch23: really the /usr/local method works pretty well for me.. most problems are related to lib access so just focus there.. also possibly stuff in etc (/usr/local/etc) may have to go to /etc |
| 12:33:37 | nikos | mpakula: Are you there? |
| 12:33:51 | mpakula | Digdude:I'm following http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.4/install/H3600/install.html#components flashing the root system |
| 12:34:44 | nikos | mpakula: Did you do all of the 'Setting bootldr's Parameters' items? |
| 12:35:10 | catch23 | one other question that has been bothering me is, where can I get a bootldr with the John Dorsey's extensions? (ymodem and jffs support) |
| 12:35:22 | mpakula | nikos: yes i can send you the results |
| 12:36:01 | nikos | mpakula: do 'partition show' and make sure you have 4 partitions and that the numbers make sense. |
| 12:36:17 | nikos | mpakula: In particular, make sure you have a 'root' partition. |
| 12:36:19 | mpakula | ok just a sec. |
| 12:36:36 | nikos | mpakula: If you want, paste the results in here. |
| 12:37:45 | mpakula | nikos: no root partition do you want me to try ti define the root again ? |
| 12:38:27 | boodle | catch23: dunno there.. not heard of that one (jffs in latest compaq bootloader but ymodem..?) |
| 12:38:48 | nikos | mpakula: You better do all of the 'Setting bootldr's Parmaters' steps again. |
| 12:39:03 | digdude | mpakula: sorry, i was away for a few minutes... but, i see nikos is helping you. i'm going back to bed... good luck. |
| 12:39:12 | digdude | nikos: later. |
| 12:39:15 | mpakula | do i have to load kernel again after |
| 12:39:17 | nikos | bye digdude |
| 12:39:26 | nikos | mpakula: I don't think so. |
| 12:39:56 | nikos | mpakula: Well, then again, it doesn't take long, and it's probably a good idea. So yeah, load kernel again. |
| 12:39:57 | mpakula | ok give me few minutes and i will goagain through those steps |
| 12:40:23 | catch23 | boodle, http://www.wearablegroup.org/software/bootldr/ |
| 12:41:03 | mpakula | nikos: do you want me to reset ipaq or it will overwrite existing kernel |
| 12:41:22 | nikos | mpakula: It will overwrite just fine, no need to reset. |
| 12:41:37 | catch23 | boodle, it has links to some bootldr patch for some april 17 bootldr cvs code... which to me seems a bit aged. I'm looking for something at least 2.14.5 or something |
| 12:42:08 | catch23 | boodle, or perhaps an alternative like redboot? I don't know how well redboot would work though... |
| 12:42:32 | nikos | mpakula: The only reason you absolutely MUST reset, is if you flash a new bootloader. |
| 12:42:55 | nikos | catch23: Keep in mind, that is jffs also, NOT jffs2. |
| 12:42:55 | boodle | catch23: I think redboot's getting to the point of working well on ipaq but just what I'm picking up from comments.. |
| 12:43:45 | catch23 | nikos, yeah i know. that's why i'm looking for a newer one... one that will still retain the old features but support the newer standards |
| 12:44:23 | catch23 | using john dorsey's bootldr, it is possible to boot different kernels just like lilo instead of having to flash kernels directly into the flashram |
| 12:47:35 | mpakula | nikos: ok now i'm uploading kernel |
| 12:47:57 | nikos | OK |
| 12:49:54 | mpakula | ok done I'm thinking about familiar complete for root what do you suggest |
| 12:50:25 | nikos | mpakula: Do you have an Internet connection any faster than 56KB? |
| 12:50:31 | nikos | s/56KB/56Kb/ |
| 12:51:06 | mpakula | adsl 256 or schools lan and lucent 802.11 wireless |
| 12:51:15 | nikos | mpakula: If not, go ahead an do complete. If you have a faster internet connection and what to set up networking to the ipaq, using bootstrap and installing packages is better. |
| 12:51:24 | nikos | s/what/want/ |
| 12:51:40 | nikos | mpakula: Lucent Wireless may work out of the box with bootstrap. |
| 12:51:54 | nikos | mpakula: Then using ipkg is a breeze. |
| 12:52:02 | tserreyn | is anyone moving back and forth between linux and ce on their ipaq |
| 12:53:52 | mpakula | nikos: i'm putting complete but in near future will want to run lucent i hope there is no problem with that ? |
| 12:54:56 | nikos | mpakula: No problem, it just takes a long time to flash that much of an image with the bootloader. |
| 12:56:14 | mpakula | 40 minutes but i got time and i'm happy i finnaly did it linux on pda unbeliveable ;o) |
| 12:57:13 | nikos | :) |
| 12:57:23 | mpakula | Will i need to put bootldr 2.14.8 some time later ?? |
| 12:58:15 | nikos | mpakula: You didn't do so already? |
| 12:58:54 | mpakula | no i'm using bootldr 2.14.5 that i took form familiar installation page |
| 12:58:56 | nikos | mpakula: That's what the ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/compaq/ipaq/v0.20/install.html has you install. |
| 12:59:05 | nikos | mpakula: You didn't read the instructions carefully. |
| 12:59:27 | mpakula | i started directly from familiar page |
| 12:59:31 | nikos | mpakula: The 'Please Note' section has you go to the URL above and install the bootloader recommended there. |
| 12:59:43 | nikos | mpakula: That's not possible. |
| 12:59:56 | nikos | mpakula: You can't do the familiar instructions unless you have already installed some bootloader. |
| 13:00:07 | mpakula | ok do you mean that i'm in trouble ? |
| 13:00:13 | nikos | mpakula: I'm very confused. |
| 13:00:32 | nikos | mpakula: What instructions did you use to install the bootloader? |
| 13:00:35 | mpakula | i do have bootldr 2.14.5 |
| 13:00:51 | nikos | mpakula: I think you are wrong. Think a minute. |
| 13:01:00 | nikos | mpakula: There are NO 'partition *' commands in 2.14.5 |
| 13:01:46 | nikos | mpakula: The 'Load bootldr 2.14.5' is ONLY to be done if you have an OLDER bootloader. |
| 13:01:48 | mpakula | let me check for i got two versions on disc |
| 13:02:26 | nikos | mpakula: If you last loaded ANY other bootloader than 2.14.8, you need to reload 2.14.8. |
| 13:02:35 | nikos | mpakula: But I don't see how you can have done that. |
| 13:02:49 | nikos | mpakula: If you loaded 2.14.5, then you must have skipped the step that tells to you reset. |
| 13:03:26 | mpakula | sorry that might be 2.14.8 my apologies anyawy i did reset and all the numbers are like on familiar page exackly |
| 13:04:06 | nikos | mpakula: At some point, type 'help' there should be a command there that will tell you the version (maybe 'show version'?). |
| 13:04:58 | mpakula | I guess that I just need a caffee after 8 hours in lab |
| 13:05:38 | mpakula | ok but that is in 30 min after loading root |
| 13:07:22 | nikos | Sure |
| 13:14:43 | mpakula | nikos: is that the correct address for Meta Packages ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/compaq/ipaq/v0.20/ |
| 13:15:26 | nikos | mpakula: What? |
| 13:15:55 | nikos | mpakula: I don't know what you mean by 'Meta Packages' |
| 13:16:13 | nikos | mpakula: The only thing Familiar uses from there is the bootloader. |
| 13:16:37 | mpakula | utilites for configs like wireless 802.11 and others |
| 13:17:57 | nikos | mpakula: Familiar uses a packaging system called ipkg. When you are in, look at 'ipkg help' |
| 13:18:05 | nikos | or maybe it's ipkg --help |
| 13:18:20 | nikos | mpakula: or see http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG |
| 13:25:37 | mpakula | nikos: is there something else after root is loaded that i should know about next step? |
| 13:26:19 | nikos | mpakula: Since you are doing the complete image, 'boot' is about it. |
| 13:26:49 | nikos | mpakula: The rest of that only applies really if you are doing the bootstrap image and need to use ipkg. Read through it anyway though, for future reference. |
| 13:27:13 | nikos | mpakula: Ah, you will need to do 'ipkg install_pending' though and the rest of what it mentions in the at step. |
| 13:27:43 | mpakula | how about buttons on ipaq on/off is the one as in win ce ? |
| 13:27:45 | nikos | mpakula: The problem about stuck packages I mean. The step immediately after 'install_pending' |
| 13:27:55 | nikos | mpakula: You mean sleep? |
| 13:28:05 | mpakula | yes |
| 13:28:30 | mpakula | and could you guide me through ipkg install_pending ? |
| 13:28:46 | nikos | mpakula: The power button will do sleep yes. There are some problems with the screen saver though and you may have to hit another button to get the LCD to come on. |
| 13:29:07 | nikos | mpakula: It's all right there. It's all of 2 steps. There's nothing to lead you through. ;) But I will be here. |
| 13:29:27 | mpakula | thanks ;-) |
| 13:29:36 | nikos | mpakula: To make it simple, do everything up to but not including 'Configure the iPAQ for the network...' |
| 13:29:51 | nikos | mpakula: Unless of course you want to go ahead and setup networking. |
| 13:30:00 | mpakula | not yet |
| 13:30:06 | nikos | mpakula: The point is, that the rest of the steps can't be done without networking. |
| 13:30:45 | mpakula | ok so i will do it if you will tell me how |
| 13:31:24 | nikos | mpakula: It's not that easy. ;) At the same time, most of though steps only really apply to the bootstrap image. |
| 13:31:56 | nikos | mpakula: But... As I said, I believe if you have a Lucent Wireless card, PCMCIA sleeve, and an access point setup for DHCP, you can just plug it in and it will work. |
| 13:32:56 | mpakula | i will have lucent in two days for the guys that were to install antenas didnt do it yet |
| 13:33:10 | nikos | OK |
| 13:33:14 | mpakula | but i got pcmcia card and sleeve |
| 13:33:19 | nikos | Cool. |
| 13:33:54 | nikos | About the only other networking setup I would be much help with is USBnet. |
| 13:34:03 | nikos | Which is what I am using currently. |
| 13:34:45 | mpakula | I do have usb cable and in my laptop but running win 2k |
| 13:34:57 | mpakula | i will get mandrake running in two days |
| 13:35:02 | nikos | Yeah, that won't work. |
| 13:35:07 | nikos | W2K on laptop I mean. |
| 13:35:22 | nikos | Better to just use 802.11b |
| 13:35:52 | mpakula | i can wait for mandrake since i will have to install that anyway |
| 13:36:27 | nikos | Yes, but 802.11b is better and doesn't require anything on the laptop. ;) |
| 13:37:20 | nikos | mpakula: I just realized. I told you wrong earlier. 2.14.5 does have the 'partition *' commands. |
| 13:37:31 | nikos | mpakula: So be sure to check the bootloader version. |
| 13:37:42 | mpakula | well the card i will have when all the tests with antenas are finished and that is in two three days for it is other guys diploma to make it working |
| 13:37:55 | mpakula | in 20 seconds |
| 13:38:45 | mpakula | oops 2.24.5 bigkernel mono |
| 13:38:53 | mpakula | 2.14.5 i ment |
| 13:39:13 | nikos | OK, better reinstall 2.14.8 with 'load bootldr' |
| 13:39:17 | mpakula | problems on my way ? |
| 13:39:23 | nikos | It self-protects and is safer. |
| 13:39:29 | nikos | mpakula: Nah, not if you take care of it now. |
| 13:39:33 | mpakula | ok 2 min. |
| 13:46:15 | mpakula | do i have to do something else for the ver command still show 2.14.8 |
| 13:46:22 | mpakula | sorry 2.14.5 |
| 13:47:00 | nikos | OK. Here's the deal. |
| 13:47:14 | nikos | ver shows the version of the 'running' bootloader. |
| 13:47:23 | nikos | wait. |
| 13:47:27 | nikos | I'm confused. |
| 13:47:32 | nikos | Does is show 2.14.8 or 2.14.5? |
| 13:47:37 | nikos | s/is/it/ |
| 13:47:42 | mpakula | 2.14.5 |
| 13:47:51 | mpakula | i will send you all the screen |
| 13:47:59 | nikos | 'load bootldr' and send the 2.14.8 bootldr file. |
| 13:48:18 | nikos | When that is done, 'reset' |
| 13:48:31 | nikos | actually no |
| 13:48:40 | nikos | When it is done, we better check it before rebooting. |
| 13:48:48 | mpakula | ready for xmodem download.. |
| 13:48:49 | mpakula | Download Successful |
| 13:48:50 | mpakula | 00018A80 bytes loaded to C0000400 |
| 13:48:51 | mpakula | BSD sum value is: 00000000 |
| 13:48:52 | mpakula | programming flash... |
| 13:48:53 | mpakula | unlocking boot sector of flash |
| 13:48:54 | mpakula | Protect=CC04720D |
| 13:48:55 | mpakula | erasing ... |
| 13:48:56 | mpakula | Erasing sector 00000000 |
| 13:48:58 | mpakula | writing flash.. |
| 13:49:00 | mpakula | addr: 00000000 data: EA00008E |
| 13:49:02 | mpakula | addr: 00010000 data: E5DE2004 |
| 13:49:04 | mpakula | verifying ... done. |
| 13:49:06 | mpakula | startAddress :00000000 |
| 13:49:08 | mpakula | limitAddress :00018A80 |
| 13:49:10 | mpakula | Protecting sector 00000000 |
| 13:49:12 | mpakula | Protect=00010001 |
| 13:49:14 | mpakula | boot> ver |
| 13:49:16 | mpakula | Compaq OHH BootLoader, Rev 2-14-5 [BIG_KERNEL] [MONO] |
| 13:49:18 | mpakula | Last link date: Fri May 11 11:16:53 PDT 2001 |
| 13:49:20 | mpakula | Contact: bootldr@handhelds.org |
| 13:49:22 | mpakula | boot> |
| 13:49:23 | nikos | You can spot check the bootldr installation before rebooting by executing the command |
| 13:49:23 | nikos | peek flash 0x0, which should print EA00008E. Also check peek flash 0x20, which should print 646C7462. |
| 13:49:34 | nikos | mpakula: Ignore VER, that shows the currently RUNNING version. |
| 13:49:44 | nikos | peek flash 0x0 |
| 13:49:47 | nikos | peek flash 0x20 |
| 13:49:57 | nikos | 0x0 == EA00008E |
| 13:50:07 | nikos | 0x20 == 646C7462 |
| 13:50:14 | nikos | If that is NOT the case, let me know. |
| 13:51:01 | mpakula | well it is exackly the numbers you gave me for both |
| 13:51:16 | nikos | OK, go ahead and 'reset'. |
| 13:51:32 | nikos | Hit the calendar button when you get the splash screen and get back into the bootloader. |
| 13:51:38 | nikos | Then try the 'ver' command again. |
| 13:51:46 | mpakula | at the bottom with stylus? |
| 13:51:52 | nikos | mpakula: type 'reset' |
| 13:52:06 | nikos | There should be a 'reset' command. |
| 13:52:38 | mpakula | exackly and rebooting.... |
| 13:54:15 | mpakula | now after lots of data "Kernel panic no init found try passing init=option to kernel" |
| 13:56:12 | nikos | mpakula: I don't think you are paying attention. |
| 13:56:29 | mpakula | i got pinguin on my pda but small one and little square flashing (command line i assume) |
| 13:56:29 | nikos | mpakula: I said we needed to get back into the bootloader and that you had to hit the 'calendar' button. |
| 13:56:43 | mpakula | well i did exackly what you told me |
| 13:57:00 | mpakula | so i did hit the callendar |
| 13:57:00 | nikos | mpakula: You hit the 'calendar' button when the splash screen came up? |
| 13:57:11 | mpakula | yep |
| 13:57:14 | nikos | mpakula: Hit the reset button on the bottom and let's try it again. |
| 13:57:30 | nikos | mpakula: Also, look at what the splash screen said and make sure I'm telling you the right button. |
| 13:57:40 | nikos | mpakula: I'm doing this from memory. |
| 13:58:07 | mpakula | ok i got splash screen |
| 13:58:09 | nikos | mpakula: Hit the button 2 or 3 times. |
| 13:58:25 | nikos | mpakula: The 'calendar' button, or whatever it says on the screen to get into bootlaoder. |
| 13:59:26 | mpakula | not responding |
| 13:59:28 | nikos | mpakula: Any response from the bootloader? |
| 13:59:35 | nikos | mpakula: What does it say on the LCD? |
| 14:00:18 | mpakula | calendar and q ( or wait) the initial screen |
| 14:00:57 | mpakula | the hyper terminal has command line blinking after the message i wrote you about kernel panic |
| 14:01:18 | nikos | mpakula: Did you hit the reset button? |
| 14:01:37 | mpakula | yes but i can do it again |
| 14:01:41 | nikos | Please do. |
| 14:01:51 | mpakula | how about starting hyper terminal again ? |
| 14:02:02 | nikos | mpakula: Not yet. Just hit reset for now. |
| 14:02:26 | mpakula | ok and the led is blinking now i will try calendar |
| 14:02:32 | nikos | mpakula: Wait. |
| 14:02:42 | nikos | mpakula: Do you have the splashscreen? |
| 14:02:57 | nikos | mpakula: Do not hit any button until the splash screen comes up. |
| 14:03:18 | mpakula | yes if you mean clr/ohh on the top |
| 14:03:21 | nikos | Right. |
| 14:03:24 | nikos | That's it. |
| 14:03:45 | nikos | Hit the calendar button several times. |
| 14:03:52 | nikos | Anything on the terminal? |
| 14:04:04 | mpakula | ok after hiting calendar the led is no longer blinking but on |
| 14:04:33 | nikos | The LED only tells us charging status to my knowledge, no use here. |
| 14:04:37 | nikos | Ignore the LED. |
| 14:04:43 | nikos | What is on the serial connection? |
| 14:04:44 | mpakula | ok |
| 14:05:04 | mpakula | you mean hyper terminal? |
| 14:05:08 | nikos | YES |
| 14:05:25 | nikos | Are you using a cable or a cradle? |
| 14:05:53 | mpakula | kernel panic : no init found. try passing init=option to kernel |
| 14:05:56 | mpakula | cradle |
| 14:06:22 | nikos | mpakula: OK. stop. |
| 14:06:32 | mpakula | ok |
| 14:07:01 | nikos | mpakula: How much time is passing between the time you hit the reset button and you get messages about the kernel? |
| 14:07:19 | nikos | roughly |
| 14:07:59 | mpakula | the reset is not influencing the message about the kernel on hyper terminal |
| 14:08:16 | nikos | mpakula: Are we talking about the little inset button on the bottom of the ipaq? |
| 14:08:22 | nikos | mpakula: NOT the power button on top. |
| 14:08:33 | mpakula | right |
| 14:08:43 | nikos | mpakula: Let me get this straight. |
| 14:08:48 | mpakula | ok from the beggining |
| 14:08:59 | nikos | mpakula: Nothing on your hyperterminal screen ever changed? |
| 14:09:08 | nikos | s/changed/changes/ |
| 14:09:42 | nikos | mpakula: Exit and restart hyperterminal. |
| 14:10:01 | mpakula | not after this lots of data after reset command and then booting .... appeared and then this jffs2_scan_erase... |
| 14:10:15 | nikos | mpakula: Once you are getting that it is TOO late. |
| 14:10:29 | nikos | mpakula: That only happens if you wait too long or tell the bootloader to boot. |
| 14:11:09 | mpakula | ok let me start with new hyper terminal |
| 14:11:12 | nikos | OK |
| 14:11:24 | nikos | mpakula: You really should be seeing NEW output each time you hit the reset button. |
| 14:11:33 | nikos | mpakula: If the screen is not updating there is some other problem. |
| 14:11:46 | nikos | s/screen/hyperterminal screen/ |
| 14:12:24 | mpakula | ok i got new hyper terminal running |
| 14:12:30 | nikos | mpakula: If the calendar button is not working for you (I don't understand that, but), you need to reset the ipaq, get it back into the cradle VERY quickly, then hit the spacebar in hyperterminal repeatedly. |
| 14:13:01 | nikos | mpakula: Try it once more with the calendar button. |
| 14:13:26 | mpakula | ok now i got boot> on my terminal |
| 14:13:36 | nikos | *Sigh* EXCELLENT! |
| 14:13:45 | nikos | Must have been a hyperterminal problem. |
| 14:13:50 | nikos | OK. |
| 14:13:56 | nikos | What does 'ver' return? |
| 14:14:16 | nikos | mpakula: You were starting to scare me. ;) |
| 14:14:22 | mpakula | 2.14.8 |
| 14:14:27 | nikos | Great. |
| 14:14:29 | mpakula | sorry for that |
| 14:14:33 | nikos | That's OK. |
| 14:14:34 | nikos | ;) |
| 14:14:37 | nikos | enter 'boot' |
| 14:14:57 | mpakula | i terminal i guess |
| 14:15:04 | mpakula | or pda |
| 14:15:07 | nikos | If you get the kernel panic again. Reset and get back into the bootloader. |
| 14:15:18 | mpakula | no nothing yet |
| 14:15:21 | nikos | hyperterminal |
| 14:15:32 | nikos | enter 'boot' at the boot> prompt I mean. |
| 14:16:03 | mpakula | unable to open initial console |
| 14:16:18 | nikos | What? |
| 14:16:28 | nikos | That's an error you get? |
| 14:16:45 | mpakula | do you want me to send you all the list |
| 14:16:46 | nikos | Basically, if you get any error, hit the reset button and get back into the bootloader. |
| 14:17:43 | nikos | Are you back to the boot> prompt yet? |
| 14:18:29 | nikos | You might want to consider rigging up a little lever with a paper clip that you can use to push the reset button without taking the ipaq out of the cradle. |
| 14:19:34 | mpakula | ok now there is splash screen on pda and boot on terminal |
| 14:19:42 | nikos | mpakula: OK, type 'show' |
| 14:19:55 | mpakula | ok |
| 14:19:57 | nikos | mpakula: Compare the value of linuxargs to that shown in the instructions |
| 14:20:07 | nikos | "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 14:21:11 | mpakula | correct |
| 14:21:20 | nikos | Are you sure? |
| 14:21:27 | mpakula | yes wait |
| 14:21:47 | nikos | also do 'partition show' and paste the output here. |
| 14:22:32 | nikos | mpakula: Did you check the md5sums of all the images you downloaded? |
| 14:23:17 | mpakula | yes |
| 14:23:23 | nikos | Good. |
| 14:23:42 | mpakula | boot> show |
| 14:23:43 | mpakula | >> Compaq OHH BootLoader, Rev 2-14-8 [BIG_KERNEL] [MONO] |
| 14:23:44 | mpakula | >> Last link date: Thu May 24 11:48:08 PDT 2001 |
| 14:23:45 | mpakula | >> Contact: bootldr@handhelds.org |
| 14:23:46 | mpakula | baudrate=115200 |
| 14:23:47 | mpakula | os=autoselect |
| 14:23:48 | mpakula | boot_type=flash |
| 14:23:49 | mpakula | kernel_in_ram=0x00000000 |
| 14:23:50 | mpakula | force_unzip=0x00000000 |
| 14:23:51 | mpakula | noerase=0x00000000 |
| 14:23:53 | mpakula | override=0x00000000 |
| 14:23:55 | mpakula | entry=0xC0000000 |
| 14:23:57 | mpakula | copy_ramdisk=0x00000000 |
| 14:23:59 | mpakula | dram_size=0x04000000 |
| 14:24:01 | mpakula | dcache_enabled=0x00000001 |
| 14:24:03 | mpakula | icache_enabled=0x00000001 |
| 14:24:05 | mpakula | memc_ctrl_reg=0x0000110C |
| 14:24:07 | mpakula | linuxargs=noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 |
| 14:24:09 | mpakula | hostname= |
| 14:24:11 | mpakula | domainname= |
| 14:24:13 | mpakula | ipaddr= |
| 14:24:15 | mpakula | gateway= |
| 14:24:17 | mpakula | netmask= |
| 14:24:19 | mpakula | dns1= |
| 14:24:21 | mpakula | dns2= |
| 14:24:23 | mpakula | netcfg= |
| 14:24:25 | mpakula | nfs_server_address= |
| 14:24:29 | mpakula | nfsroot= |
| 14:24:31 | mpakula | xmodem=0x00000001 |
| 14:24:33 | mpakula | verbose=0x00000000 |
| 14:24:35 | mpakula | cmdex=0x00000001 |
| 14:24:37 | mpakula | jffs2_sector_marker0=0x20031985 |
| 14:24:39 | mpakula | jffs2_sector_marker1=0x0000000C |
| 14:24:41 | mpakula | jffs2_sector_marker2=0xE41EB0B1 |
| 14:24:43 | mpakula | recb_cmd= |
| 14:24:45 | mpakula | calb_cmd=ser_con |
| 14:24:47 | mpakula | conb_cmd=irda_con |
| 14:24:49 | mpakula | qb_cmd=boot |
| 14:24:51 | mpakula | startb_cmd= |
| 14:24:53 | mpakula | upb_cmd= |
| 14:24:55 | mpakula | rightb_cmd= |
| 14:24:57 | mpakula | leftb_cmd= |
| 14:24:59 | mpakula | downb_cmd= |
| 14:25:01 | mpakula | xmodem_one_nak=0x00000000 |
| 14:25:03 | mpakula | xmodem_initial_timeout=300000 |
| 14:25:05 | mpakula | xmodem_timeout=100000 |
| 14:25:07 | mpakula | autoboot_timeout=30000000 |
| 14:25:09 | mpakula | boot> partition show |
| 14:25:11 | mpakula | argv[1]=partition |
| 14:25:13 | mpakula | npartitions=00000004 |
| 14:25:15 | mpakula | bootldr |
| 14:25:17 | mpakula | base: 00000000 |
| 14:25:19 | mpakula | size: 00040000 |
| 14:25:21 | mpakula | flags: 00000002 |
| 14:25:23 | mpakula | params |
| 14:25:25 | mpakula | base: 00040000 |
| 14:25:27 | mpakula | size: 00040000 |
| 14:25:31 | mpakula | flags: 00000000 |
| 14:25:33 | mpakula | kernel |
| 14:25:35 | mpakula | base: 00080000 |
| 14:25:37 | mpakula | size: 00080000 |
| 14:25:39 | mpakula | flags: 00000000 |
| 14:25:41 | mpakula | root |
| 14:25:43 | mpakula | base: 00100000 |
| 14:25:45 | mpakula | size: 00F00000 |
| 14:25:47 | mpakula | flags: 00000018 |
| 14:25:49 | mpakula | boot> |
| 14:25:58 | nikos | OK, that all looks good. |
| 14:26:10 | nikos | I think something must be messed up about your root image. |
| 14:26:23 | nikos | Double check the md5sum of the task-complete file |
| 14:26:34 | nikos | Then 'load root' and xmodem it again. |
| 14:28:32 | mpakula | its loading |
| 14:28:38 | nikos | Cool. |
| 14:32:40 | mpakula | now it automatically erasing sectors it did this |
| 14:32:47 | mpakula | writing flash.. |
| 14:32:48 | mpakula | addr: 00100000 data: E1A00000 |
| 14:32:49 | mpakula | addr: 00110000 data: 638338EB |
| 14:32:50 | mpakula | addr: 00120000 data: E4FEF020 |
| 14:32:51 | mpakula | addr: 00130000 data: 16ABEE34 |
| 14:32:52 | mpakula | addr: 00140000 data: A54139FC |
| 14:32:53 | mpakula | addr: 00150000 data: 9A204780 |
| 14:32:54 | mpakula | addr: 00160000 data: 5CA4D7DA |
| 14:32:56 | mpakula | addr: 00170000 data: 1EF73EED |
| 14:32:58 | mpakula | verifying ... formatting ... done. |
| 14:33:00 | mpakula | boot> |
| 14:33:19 | nikos | That seems fine. |
| 14:33:26 | nikos | try 'boot' again I guess. |
| 14:35:34 | nikos | Result? |
| 14:36:37 | mpakula | booting flash... |
| 14:36:38 | mpakula | kernel_magic=E1A00000 |
| 14:36:39 | mpakula | kernel_region_words[9]=016F2818 |
| 14:36:40 | mpakula | Linux ELF flash_imgstart=50080000 size=00080000 dest=C0000000 offset=00008000 |
| 14:36:41 | mpakula | MMU Control=C19F4071 |
| 14:36:42 | mpakula | copying Linux kernel ... done |
| 14:36:43 | mpakula | linuxEntryPoint: C0008000 |
| 14:36:44 | mpakula | kernel_image_dest: C0000000 |
| 14:36:45 | mpakula | kernel_image_offset: 00008000 |
| 14:36:46 | mpakula | C0008000: E1A00000 |
| 14:36:48 | mpakula | C0008004: E1A00000 |
| 14:36:50 | mpakula | C0008008: E1A00000 |
| 14:36:52 | mpakula | C000800C: E1A00000 |
| 14:36:54 | mpakula | C0008010: E1A00000 |
| 14:36:56 | mpakula | C0008014: E1A00000 |
| 14:36:58 | mpakula | C0008018: E1A00000 |
| 14:37:00 | mpakula | C000801C: E1A00000 |
| 14:37:02 | mpakula | C0008020: EA000002 |
| 14:37:04 | mpakula | C0008024: 016F2818 |
| 14:37:06 | mpakula | root_filesystem_name=ramdisk |
| 14:37:10 | mpakula | argc=00000002 |
| 14:37:12 | mpakula | args=noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 |
| 14:37:14 | mpakula | setting boot parameters |
| 14:37:16 | mpakula | get_param: could not find parameter system_rev |
| 14:37:18 | mpakula | Setting up Linux parameters at address=C0000100 |
| 14:37:20 | mpakula | using_ramdisk=00000001 |
| 14:37:22 | mpakula | initrd_start=346C7466 |
| 14:37:24 | mpakula | dram_size=04000000 |
| 14:37:26 | mpakula | nr_pages=00004000 |
| 14:37:28 | mpakula | command line is: noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 |
| 14:37:30 | mpakula | linuxEntryPoint=C0008000 |
| 14:37:32 | mpakula | Booting Linux image |
| 14:37:34 | mpakula | Uncompressing Linux....................................... done, booting the ker |
| 14:37:36 | mpakula | nel. |
| 14:37:38 | mpakula | Linux version 2.4.3-rmk2-np1 (root@step) (gcc version 2.95.4 20010319 (Debian pr |
| 14:37:40 | mpakula | erelease)) #1 Sun May 13 01:40:23 PDT 2001 |
| 14:37:42 | mpakula | Processor: Intel StrongARM-1110 revision 8 |
| 14:37:44 | mpakula | Architecture: Compaq iPAQ |
| 14:37:46 | mpakula | On node 0 totalpages: 16384 |
| 14:37:48 | mpakula | zone(0): 16384 pages. |
| 14:37:50 | mpakula | zone(1): 0 pages. |
| 14:37:58 | boodle | oops :) |
| 14:38:14 | nikos | HEH |
| 14:40:26 | nikos | mpakula: Heh |
| 14:40:34 | mpakula | sorry i got disconnected |
| 14:40:34 | nikos | mpakula: I don't need the whole kit and kaboodle. |
| 14:40:45 | nikos | <mpakula> zone(1): 0 pages. |
| 14:40:45 | nikos | <-- mpakula has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 14:40:51 | nikos | You got kicked. ;) |
| 14:41:02 | mpakula | ok |
| 14:41:04 | nikos | mpakula: Whether you got a login: prompt or an error is sufficient. ;) |
| 14:42:10 | mpakula | ok so i got this little square blinking on my pdq next to cute pinguin |
| 14:42:27 | nikos | mpakula: What's the last line or 2 in hyperterminal? |
| 14:42:53 | mpakula | warning unable to open an initial console |
| 14:43:13 | mpakula | kernel panic no init found try passing init = option to kernel |
| 14:43:26 | nikos | damn |
| 14:43:33 | nikos | OK, reset and get back into the bootloader |
| 14:43:47 | nikos | boot> set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 14:43:50 | nikos | Enter that again. |
| 14:46:15 | mpakula | ok done |
| 14:46:21 | nikos | 'boot' |
| 14:46:38 | nikos | This time, if you get an error, just paste in about the last dozen lines. |
| 14:47:02 | boodle | params save? |
| 14:47:25 | nikos | Damn, good point. |
| 14:47:32 | nikos | mpakula: I made a mistake. |
| 14:47:36 | nikos | mpakula: Have you booted yet? |
| 14:47:51 | mpakula | yes |
| 14:47:57 | nikos | mpakula: If so, go ahead and reset, do the set command again, then enter 'params save' |
| 14:48:11 | nikos | mpakula: I forgot to have you save the result of the set command. |
| 14:49:49 | mpakula | addr: 00040000 data 646c7470 |
| 14:49:57 | mpakula | verifying.. done |
| 14:50:11 | nikos | Good. 'boot' |
| 14:50:35 | mpakula | different error |
| 14:50:43 | mpakula | i will pass it to you |
| 14:50:45 | nikos | K |
| 14:51:57 | mpakula | SA1100 flash: probing for 4 partitions (buswidth = 4) |
| 14:51:58 | mpakula | SA1100: Found 2 x16 devices at 0x0 in 32-bit mode |
| 14:51:59 | mpakula | JEDEC ID: 89 17 |
| 14:52:00 | mpakula | 0: offset=0x0,size=0x40000,blocks=64 |
| 14:52:02 | mpakula | No RedBoot partition table found. Using default partitioning |
| 14:52:03 | mpakula | parse_bootldr_partitions: partition_table_offset=0x40000 |
| 14:52:04 | mpakula | parse_bootldr_partitions: magic=0x646c7470 |
| 14:52:05 | mpakula | parse_bootldr_partitions: npartitions=0x4 |
| 14:52:07 | mpakula | partition bootldr o=0 s=40000 |
| 14:52:08 | mpakula | partition params o=40000 s=40000 |
| 14:52:09 | mpakula | partition kernel o=80000 s=80000 |
| 14:52:10 | mpakula | partition root o=100000 s=0 |
| 14:52:12 | mpakula | Bootldr Partition: "bootldr", 0x00000000-0x00040000 |
| 14:52:13 | mpakula | Bootldr Partition: "params", 0x00040000-0x00080000 |
| 14:52:15 | mpakula | Bootldr Partition: "kernel", 0x00080000-0x00100000 |
| 14:52:17 | mpakula | Bootldr Partition: "root", 0x00100000-0x00100000 |
| 14:52:19 | mpakula | SA1100 flash access initialized |
| 14:52:21 | mpakula | NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 |
| 14:52:23 | mpakula | IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP |
| 14:52:25 | mpakula | IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes |
| 14:52:27 | mpakula | TCP: Hash tables configured (established 4096 bind 4096) |
| 14:52:29 | mpakula | Fast Floating Point Emulator V0.0 (c) Peter Teichmann. |
| 14:52:33 | mpakula | devfs: v0.102 (20000622) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) |
| 14:52:35 | mpakula | devfs: boot_options: 0x2 |
| 14:52:37 | mpakula | VFS: Cannot open root device "dev/mtdblock/3" or 00:de. retval=-19 |
| 14:52:39 | mpakula | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 14:52:41 | mpakula | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:de |
| 14:53:27 | nikos | mpakula: Reset and get back into bootloader. |
| 14:53:40 | nikos | mpakula: Then give me the 'linuxargs' line of 'show'. |
| 14:54:29 | nikos | mpakula: Actually, give me the complete output of 'partition show' again too. |
| 14:55:30 | mpakula | show linuxargs |
| 14:55:31 | mpakula | >> Compaq OHH BootLoader, Rev 2-14-8 [BIG_KERNEL] [MONO] |
| 14:55:33 | mpakula | >> Last link date: Thu May 24 11:48:08 PDT 2001 |
| 14:55:34 | mpakula | >> Contact: bootldr@handhelds.org |
| 14:55:35 | mpakula | baudrate=115200 |
| 14:55:36 | mpakula | os=autoselect |
| 14:55:38 | mpakula | boot_type=flash |
| 14:55:39 | mpakula | kernel_in_ram=0x00000000 |
| 14:55:40 | mpakula | force_unzip=0x00000000 |
| 14:55:41 | mpakula | noerase=0x00000000 |
| 14:55:43 | mpakula | override=0x00000000 |
| 14:55:45 | mpakula | entry=0xC0000000 |
| 14:55:47 | mpakula | copy_ramdisk=0x00000000 |
| 14:55:49 | mpakula | dram_size=0x04000000 |
| 14:55:51 | mpakula | dcache_enabled=0x00000001 |
| 14:55:53 | mpakula | icache_enabled=0x00000001 |
| 14:55:55 | mpakula | memc_ctrl_reg=0x0000110C |
| 14:55:57 | mpakula | linuxargs=noinitrd root=dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 |
| 14:55:59 | mpakula | hostname= |
| 14:56:01 | mpakula | domainname= |
| 14:56:03 | mpakula | ipaddr= |
| 14:56:05 | mpakula | gateway= |
| 14:56:07 | mpakula | netmask= |
| 14:56:09 | mpakula | dns1= |
| 14:56:11 | mpakula | dns2= |
| 14:56:13 | mpakula | netcfg= |
| 14:56:15 | mpakula | nfs_server_address= |
| 14:56:17 | mpakula | nfsroot= |
| 14:56:19 | mpakula | xmodem=0x00000001 |
| 14:56:21 | mpakula | verbose=0x00000000 |
| 14:56:23 | mpakula | cmdex=0x00000001 |
| 14:56:25 | mpakula | jffs2_sector_marker0=0x20031985 |
| 14:56:27 | mpakula | jffs2_sector_marker1=0x0000000C |
| 14:56:29 | mpakula | jffs2_sector_marker2=0xE41EB0B1 |
| 14:56:33 | mpakula | recb_cmd= |
| 14:56:35 | mpakula | calb_cmd=ser_con |
| 14:56:36 | nikos | I just needed the one line! |
| 14:56:37 | mpakula | conb_cmd=irda_con |
| 14:56:39 | mpakula | qb_cmd=boot |
| 14:56:41 | mpakula | startb_cmd= |
| 14:56:43 | mpakula | upb_cmd= |
| 14:56:43 | nikos | :) |
| 14:56:45 | mpakula | rightb_cmd= |
| 14:56:47 | mpakula | leftb_cmd= |
| 14:56:49 | mpakula | downb_cmd= |
| 14:56:52 | mpakula | xmodem_one_nak=0x00000000 |
| 14:56:53 | mpakula | xmodem_initial_timeout=300000 |
| 14:56:55 | mpakula | xmodem_timeout=100000 |
| 14:56:57 | mpakula | autoboot_timeout=30000000 |
| 14:56:59 | mpakula | boot> |
| 14:57:02 | nikos | stop right there |
| 14:57:03 | mpakula | well i don't know which |
| 14:57:08 | mpakula | ok |
| 14:57:12 | nikos | boot> set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 14:57:17 | nikos | Look at your linuxargs line |
| 14:57:25 | nikos | There's a typo there. |
| 14:57:33 | nikos | <mpakula> linuxargs=noinitrd root=dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 |
| 14:58:08 | nikos | mpakula: Do you see it? |
| 14:58:27 | mpakula | / |
| 14:58:37 | nikos | mpakula: The 'show' command is rather simple, it just outputs all the configuration parameters. |
| 14:58:53 | mpakula | shall i set linuxrgs once again |
| 14:58:58 | nikos | Yes, please do. |
| 14:59:30 | vh | nikos, did you find familiar's font unreadable as default? |
| 15:00:30 | nikos | vh: No, did you do ipkg install_pending? |
| 15:00:35 | mpakula | i saved params |
| 15:01:09 | nikos | mpakula: Do 'partition show' |
| 15:01:17 | nikos | mpakula: Give me just the last 8 or 10 lines. |
| 15:02:43 | mpakula | kernel |
| 15:02:44 | mpakula | base: 00080000 |
| 15:02:45 | mpakula | size: 00080000 |
| 15:02:47 | mpakula | flags: 00000000 |
| 15:02:48 | mpakula | root |
| 15:02:49 | mpakula | base: 00100000 |
| 15:02:50 | mpakula | size: 00F00000 |
| 15:02:51 | mpakula | flags: 00000018 |
| 15:03:04 | vh | nikos, sure, why? microsoft ttf fonts? |
| 15:03:52 | vh | qpe would be good enough if it could run x11 apps. |
| 15:03:52 | nikos | mpakula: OK, try to 'boot' again. |
| 15:04:18 | mpakula | still kernel panic |
| 15:04:25 | nikos | vh: No, I didn't install the microsoft fonts' |
| 15:04:31 | nikos | mpakula: OK. |
| 15:04:54 | nikos | mpakula: Download the complete image again and the md5sum (from the FTP or web site) and check it. |
| 15:05:00 | nikos | mpakula: Then 'load root' again. |
| 15:05:12 | nikos | mpakula: The only thing I can think at this point is that your root image is corrupted. |
| 15:07:53 | mpakula | ok now i'm downloading not the complete version to save some time loading |
| 15:08:17 | nikos | mpakula: OK, but you won't have X or anything in bootstrap until you setup networking and ipkg. |
| 15:09:08 | mpakula | i do understand but if it starts working i will do the rest later on |
| 15:10:09 | nikos | mpakula: Sure. |
| 15:10:18 | nikos | mpakula: Best to get something working first right? ;) |
| 15:11:43 | mpakula | ok now 20 minutes break and if that wont work i will come back to instalation from mandrake :o? |
| 15:12:50 | nikos | OK, I don't think Mandrake is going to help us much here though. |
| 15:28:14 | boodle | nikos: another thought is serial settings during u/l.. no flow control |
| 15:29:04 | nikos | boodle: What? That is related to being unable to communicate with the bootloader. There's no such problem here. |
| 15:29:23 | nikos | boodle: If flow control is not right you get no reponse whatsoever. |
| 15:29:40 | boodle | nikos: I've seen hardware flowcontrol being on allow communication but screws up uploads |
| 15:29:56 | nikos | boodle: Really? I hadn't heard of that. |
| 15:30:08 | nikos | mpakula: Be sure hyperterminal is set to Flow Control: None. |
| 15:30:22 | nikos | Thanks boodle |
| 15:30:57 | boodle | nikos: when I went to fam.-04 it happened to me.. particularly on root image.. the large image would seem to upload ok but at the end I didn't get all the erasing/flashing stuff.. |
| 15:31:14 | boodle | nikos: but kernel + bootloader did up ok with hardware flow on.. |
| 15:32:04 | nikos | boodle: Well, mpakula was getting all the erase/flashing messages at least. |
| 15:32:41 | boodle | nikos: hm well prolly different issue. the partition stuff seems weird |
| 15:33:24 | nikos | boodle: I've never paid any attention to the kernel output about the partitions before, so I'm not 100% sure about how it should look. |
| 15:36:06 | boodle | nikos: ditto |
| 16:00:57 | mpakula | ok guys the kernel is loaded |
| 16:01:23 | | i guess kernel is master of the iodle loop, no ? |
| 16:01:23 | nikos | kernel? |
| 16:01:25 | nikos | You mean root. |
| 16:01:30 | | nikos: I forgot kernel |
| 16:01:30 | nikos | ibot: forget kernel |
| 16:01:39 | nikos | mpakula: Did you see the comments above? |
| 16:02:06 | mpakula | yes there is no flow controll however i got this |
| 16:02:14 | mpakula | download succesfull |
| 16:02:35 | mpakula | 00540000 bytes loaded to c00004000 |
| 16:02:54 | mpakula | img_size is too large for fegion:00080000 |
| 16:02:55 | nikos | Huh? |
| 16:03:05 | nikos | What command did you issue to get that response? |
| 16:03:22 | mpakula | non it did automatically |
| 16:03:37 | nikos | mpakula: Step back. |
| 16:03:46 | nikos | mpakula: What was the last thing "you" did? |
| 16:04:01 | nikos | mpakula: I'm trying to understand what that output is the result of. |
| 16:04:09 | mpakula | load kernel |
| 16:04:34 | nikos | mpakula: You've lost me. |
| 16:04:34 | mpakula | sorry image |
| 16:04:42 | mpakula | i'm too tired |
| 16:04:53 | mpakula | can we start it all over again |
| 16:04:58 | nikos | mpakula: Yeah. |
| 16:05:10 | nikos | mpakula: Sure you want to do it now? |
| 16:05:29 | mpakula | i'm positive |
| 16:05:58 | nikos | mpakula: OK, back up to 'Setting bootloader paramaters' and do each of those steps very carefully. |
| 16:06:10 | mpakula | ok |
| 16:09:20 | mpakula | done |
| 16:10:11 | nikos | Continue on from there. |
| 16:10:20 | nikos | load kernel, load root, etc. |
| 16:10:30 | nikos | mpakula: And double and triple check your typing. |
| 16:10:36 | nikos | mpakula: :) |
| 16:10:57 | nikos | mpakula: You may find it best to cut and paste rather than type stuff in manually. |
| 16:11:18 | mpakula | i'm kernel and root from /v0.4/install/h3600/ ? to be sure |
| 16:11:50 | nikos | That's fine. |
| 16:13:54 | mpakula | now i'm loading kernel zImage-2.4.3-rmk2-np1 |
| 16:14:03 | nikos | Sounds good |
| 16:14:55 | mpakula | verifying ....done |
| 16:16:49 | mpakula | ok now i'm loading root task-bootstrap.jffs2 |
| 16:18:27 | nikos | K |
| 16:18:42 | nikos | mpakula: I never asked. What model is this? |
| 16:19:51 | mpakula | h3670 i guess in europe it is 3660 but i got 64MB |
| 16:20:44 | nikos | OK, that should be fine I think. |
| 16:22:42 | mpakula | maybe my md5sum software has a bug that why if it want work today i will wait for mandrake i don't really see any other solution |
| 16:23:12 | nikos | Is it not working? |
| 16:23:34 | mpakula | it still need 12 min. to load |
| 16:24:31 | nikos | OK, don't be negative. 8) |
| 16:38:11 | mpakula | verifying.. formating... done |
| 16:38:43 | mpakula | one step at the time what next |
| 16:39:16 | nikos | What did you do last? |
| 16:39:19 | | bootstrap is probably no-X, serial only... |
| 16:39:19 | nikos | bootstrap? |
| 16:39:32 | nikos | *sigh* |
| 16:39:36 | | nikos: I forgot bootstrap |
| 16:39:36 | nikos | ibot: forget bootstrap |
| 16:40:19 | nikos | mpakula: ? |
| 16:40:31 | mpakula | nikos: i loaded kernel and root |
| 16:40:44 | nikos | OK, time to 'boot' |
| 16:40:57 | mpakula | from terminal |
| 16:41:04 | nikos | Yes |
| 16:41:29 | nikos | boot> boot |
| 16:41:40 | mpakula | halleluja familiar login: |
| 16:41:49 | nikos | Cool! |
| 16:41:51 | nikos | :) |
| 16:42:14 | mpakula | ok what next |
| 16:42:29 | nikos | login |
| 16:42:36 | nikos | ipkg install_pending |
| 16:42:44 | nikos | rm /usr/lib/ipkg/pending/* |
| 16:42:52 | mpakula | as ?? initial login |
| 16:42:55 | nikos | Done, until you are ready for netowrk. |
| 16:43:00 | nikos | root/rootme |
| 16:43:15 | nikos | mpakula: This is all in the instructions. |
| 16:43:51 | mpakula | nikos: please one step at the time |
| 16:44:13 | nikos | login with the username 'root' and the password 'rootme' |
| 16:44:28 | nikos | This is all in hyperterminal. |
| 16:44:42 | mpakula | ok # ? |
| 16:45:04 | nikos | ipkg install_pending |
| 16:45:35 | mpakula | ipk not found |
| 16:45:50 | nikos | Did you spell it right? |
| 16:46:18 | mpakula | no sorry its 10 th hour |
| 16:46:26 | mpakula | yes for install |
| 16:46:43 | nikos | So done with that step? |
| 16:47:06 | mpakula | yes |
| 16:47:08 | nikos | rm /usr/lib/ipkg/pending/* |
| 16:47:43 | nikos | Until you setup networking that's all you need to do. Feel free to play. |
| 16:49:57 | mpakula | i have 3 com pcmcia card with me and if possible i want to go on |
| 16:50:26 | nikos | just a moment.... |
| 17:00:59 | mpakula | sorry for desapearing our server sometimes does it |
| 17:02:23 | nikos | I dropped also |
| 17:02:39 | nikos | OK, sorry, someone was in my office. |
| 17:03:02 | nikos | mpakula: I've never setup an PCMCIA ethernet card, but I'm willing to try, it shouldn't be too hard. |
| 17:03:05 | mpakula | oh my my i do keep you from your work so long |
| 17:03:28 | nikos | I'm working at the same time (mostly...) |
| 17:04:31 | mpakula | ok do you want to try or we leave this fun for tomorrow |
| 17:05:17 | nikos | Sure |
| 17:05:26 | nikos | Are you awake enough? |
| 17:05:36 | nikos | I don't have easy steps for this, we will have to do some trial and error. |
| 17:05:53 | mpakula | well i'm not sure lets postpone it till tomorow |
| 17:06:12 | nikos | OK |
| 17:06:32 | mpakula | oh by the way my pda's scren just turned off i hope it is ok and i can disconnect it form terminal |
| 17:06:56 | nikos | mpakula: Yeah, without X or something there's nothing to display to the LCD> |
| 17:07:29 | mpakula | ok i closed terminal and now i'm going to eat something finally |
| 17:07:47 | mpakula | by the way what time tomorrow and where are you writing from |
| 17:07:57 | nikos | mpakula: Leave power connected, sleep will work now, but without LCD it's a little difficult to tell when it is awake or asleep. |
| 17:08:29 | mpakula | ok sure what is your time zone |
| 17:08:30 | nikos | mpakula: Im in U.S. (CST) I should be here 3:30 GMT tomorrow. |
| 17:08:40 | nikos | Ah no, |
| 17:08:52 | nikos | Make that 13:30 GMT |
| 17:09:02 | nikos | Bad timezone math. |
| 17:09:13 | mpakula | ok sure i will be here |
| 17:09:18 | nikos | It's 13:10 now for whateve that's worth. |
| 17:09:31 | nikos | In my timezone I mean. |
| 17:09:33 | mpakula | good night or rather day to you |
| 17:09:35 | nikos | See you then. |
| 17:09:45 | mpakula | ;o)) |
| 17:51:30 | | privet, _Axu_ |
| 17:51:30 | _Axu_ | hi |
| 18:06:48 | nikos | is away: errand |
| 18:21:33 | nikos | is back |
| 19:11:57 | axu_ | bye |
| 20:42:58 | rjw | hello, I'm getting an Ipaq off ebay. It doesn't come with a serial cable - would the "iPaq Serial AutoSynch Cable" do? Or is it possible to install everything via the usb nowadays? |
| 20:44:07 | nikos | rjw: You still need serial, and that cable is fine. |
| 20:45:00 | rjw | nikos: cheers, I'll get that then. Are there apps for X that are passable for PDA functions atm? |
| 20:45:47 | nikos | rjw: Well, nothing really complete. Don't plan on using Linux as a standard PDA right now. |
| 20:46:38 | rjw | nikos: right... |
| 20:50:18 | rjw | any contenders? |
| 20:52:17 | nikos | rjw: Mingle. |
| 20:52:21 | nikos | rjw: It's still in development. |
| 20:52:50 | edwardam | bbl |
| 20:52:59 | nikos | gjg: Meet rjw |
| 20:53:05 | nikos | rjw: Meet gjg, Mingle developer. |
| 20:53:13 | gjg | hey |
| 20:53:19 | rjw | hello |
| 20:54:17 | nikos | rjw: There's a little (very old) about Mingle on http://familiar.handhelds.org |
| 20:55:58 | gjg | rjw: if you are using the familiar and have your /etc/ipkg.conf pointed at the unstable feed you should be able to pull down a working version of mingle. |
| 20:56:16 | rjw | yes, I saw that. I was wondering if a many window type of thing really works on a little screen all that well |
| 20:56:39 | rjw | gjg: Haven't got my ipaq yet ;-) should have it soon. |
| 20:56:45 | gjg | rjw: rad. |
| 20:56:58 | gjg | mingle works best if used with ion |
| 20:57:09 | gjg | actually many apps work better in ion :) |
| 20:57:15 | rjw | ion: the tiling emacsy window manger? |
| 20:57:27 | rjw | s/manger/manager |
| 20:57:33 | gjg | Yeah. |
| 20:58:17 | rjw | yeah, that would work, a lot easier than using gtk-stack or whatever. |
| 20:58:40 | BBrox | needs to upgrade his iPAQ and test ION |
| 20:58:56 | gjg | BBrox: it works well. |
| 20:59:11 | gjg | needs some work, I think cworth is hacking on it |
| 21:00:04 | jacques_idle | mmmm, ion |
| 21:00:08 | rjw | Another thing I was thinking is scrolling - for stuff that needs to be scrolled, are scrollbars small enough, or are they annoying? Maybe a little up/down thing in the corner is better, a la palm? |
| 21:00:24 | gjg | rjw: the control pad on the ipaq works for scrolling. |
| 21:00:51 | rjw | gjg: cool.. |
| 21:01:00 | gjg | the scrollbars are pretty usuable too. |
| 21:01:10 | rjw | How active is familiar development atm? |
| 21:01:21 | gjg | in what sense? PIM apps? |
| 21:01:34 | nikos | rjw: We have a packaging system now, so anyone can jump in and add packages. |
| 21:01:41 | rjw | gjg: oops, meant mingle ;-) |
| 21:01:47 | nikos | Ah |
| 21:01:54 | nikos | gjg is working on it as we speak. ;) |
| 21:02:24 | gjg | rjw: Oh, ive been adding a bunch fo stuff lately. it can now snag diretions for addresses in the contact list via mapquest. and save them for later viewing. |
| 21:02:52 | gjg | so now anyone can get directions from my house to anywhere. |
| 21:03:02 | rjw | gjg: nice. Is there source available so I can give it a go on my desktop? |
| 21:03:29 | gjg | rjw: Yeah but I dont remember where :) I can put together something later today |
| 21:04:29 | rjw | gjg: it is later today - In london where I am ;-) Anyway, I know python so maybe I'll be able to hack on it a bit.. |
| 21:05:19 | gjg | rjw: that would be cool. we need PIM apps and unfortunately not many people are working on them. |
| 21:05:44 | gjg | alot of people have requested a schedule app. |
| 21:06:56 | rjw | is the cvs version up to date? |
| 21:07:05 | gjg | probably not. |
| 21:07:55 | rjw | hm, looks untouched since Mar 18 .. |
| 21:08:18 | nikos | gjg: tsk, tsk. |
| 21:09:06 | rjw | eek, gratuitous python2 usage! |
| 21:09:42 | rjw | you shouldn't use language features until they are in debian! ;-) |
| 21:10:04 | gjg | nikos: im waiting for a7r to give me cvs write access, not my fault this time :) |
| 21:10:18 | gjg | rjw: thats why its "developmental" code :) |
| 21:10:35 | nikos | gjg: Waiting for a7r is a never ending process. |
| 21:10:41 | nikos | gjg: Do you have an handhelds.org account? |
| 21:10:43 | gjg | rjw: and python2 is the python for familiar. |
| 21:10:48 | gjg | nikos: that it is. |
| 21:10:51 | gjg | nikos: Nope. |
| 21:11:13 | rjw | gjg: hm, have to wonder if += is really worth it though. |
| 21:11:31 | gjg | rjw: Yeah.. |
| 21:11:32 | nikos | gjg: desired username? |
| 21:11:44 | gjg | saucyfrenchmaid |
| 21:11:46 | gjg | er |
| 21:11:47 | gjg | gjg |
| 21:14:00 | nikos | What's the f'ing adduser/useradd variant on f'ing RedHat? |
| 21:14:10 | gjg | isnt it useradd? |
| 21:14:12 | Tangent | nikos : adduser |
| 21:14:27 | nikos | sudo must not setup su path correctly. |
| 21:14:44 | rjw | ah, removed all the +=, now it works.! gjg - you the one with the beard suspiciously like a cats ears? |
| 21:14:57 | gjg | hahah yeah that was a cat |
| 21:22:03 | gjg | not extensively, I was just looking at it like an hour ago actually. |
| 21:22:57 | rjw | syncml.org doesn't seem to have the standard anywhere..just a corporate love in. did you find it anywhere? |
| 21:24:37 | gjg | I thought I had but now netscape deceied to crash. |
| 21:25:53 | rjw | gjg: eek, Netscape. Long time, no see. Long time, no crash ;-) Konqueror works a lot better for me.. |
| 21:26:42 | gjg | Yeah. |
| 21:27:11 | gjg | the word netscape is just programmed into my hands. |
| 21:28:15 | rjw | ooh! I found something. |
| 21:28:27 | rjw | http://www.syncml.org/docs/syncml_represent_v10_20001207.pdf |
| 21:29:20 | nikos | jg: dwmw2 suggests that a donation of an iPAQ to Al Viro could possibly net us a Union filesystem or a mod to jffs2 or something. ;) |
| 21:30:12 | rjw | actually thats a bit old... |
| 21:30:17 | gjg | wow...104 pages. |
| 21:31:21 | rjw | I found even more, and up to date, in a lovely zip file! http://www.syncml.org/docs/spec1-0-1/spec1-0-1.zip |
| 21:31:34 | gjg | rad. |
| 21:32:49 | rjw | hm , 22 pages of release notes. |
| 21:34:11 | rjw | might be easier to fake a palm! |
| 21:35:13 | gjg | Ha |
| 22:15:01 | rjw | hm, from reading about half of this, I have come to the conclusion SyncML is overengineered in the extreme... |
| 22:15:40 | rjw | I think it would be a lot easier to just output vCard and vCalendar, etc entries, and sync those. |
| 22:16:48 | rjw | you have to embed vCard or vCalendar or any other type of data in the request anyway. |
| 23:51:24 | fUD | Hi people. |