irclog2html for ipaq on 2001.05.27

irclog2html for ipaq on 2001.05.27 08:53:58 a7r yawn.. 08:54:08 a7r rmk: hey. 09:04:03 rmk is waiting for 2.4.5 to build atm 09:04:30 a7r cool. 09:52:44 a7r is away: sleeping 14:37:40 _Axu_ hi :) 14:37:57 Tangent Hi _Axu_ 14:38:03 _Axu_ hi tangent :) 14:38:58 _Axu_ Tangent: last time we met we talked about batterylifetime, the 8 hours mp3 playing, was it with cfsleeve&microdrive ? or with pcmciasleeve ? 14:39:11 Tangent with pcmcia sleeve 14:39:21 Tangent about 2.5 hours with CF sleeve 14:39:36 _Axu_ Tangent: no battery in cfsleeve ? 14:39:48 Tangent Nope.. no battery :( 14:40:18 _Axu_ tanegnt: yeah, thought so when looking at the trimmed down version you have 14:40:29 Tangent Shame becasue there's enough wasted space in the Compaq CF sleeve to fit one in too 14:41:24 _Axu_ Tangent: howabout extending the compaq cfsleeve with a battery 14:41:56 _Axu_ hmm, have too look for datasheets of the featureconnector 14:42:04 Tangent I couldn't source the batteries, and now my CF sleeve PCB is totally inaccessible anyhow ;) 14:42:19 Tangent Don't think it had charging circuitry anyhow 14:42:42 _Axu_ hmmm, yeah, the cheaper the better 14:42:44 _Axu_ :( 14:57:53 Tangent would like Dual CF + Battery in one sleeve... 14:58:03 Tangent PCMCIA sleeve is just too damn big 14:58:19 Tangent and CF 802.11 cards are starting to appear now too 14:58:52 _Axu_ Tangent: yeah but batterylifetime :) 14:59:11 _Axu_ Tangent: i m looking at : http://www.dalecoffing.com/iPAQ/DualSlotPC/dualslotPC.htm 14:59:40 _Axu_ Tangent: 16hours with 1 card inserted, trhats just *wooow* :) 14:59:46 Tangent Look at the size of that thing... 14:59:55 _Axu_ yeah a monster 14:59:56 _Axu_ :) 15:00:22 Tangent Nah.. I want two CF sockets + battery.. microdrive + CF wireless or wired network card 15:00:37 _Axu_ hmm, are there any non compaq ipaq peripheral building companys 15:00:50 _Axu_ Tangent: iek :) 15:01:12 Tangent Yeah.. there was someone else making a dual PCMCIA sleeve, but they haven't released it 15:01:21 Tangent and it looks like compaq will beat them to it. 15:01:44 _Axu_ Tangent: i do not need a pcmcia sleeve when theres a batterypowered cf sleeve 15:02:27 _Axu_ as i c there are nics,modemcards,storagecards for cf, so why use pcmcia 15:02:35 Tangent Yeah.. those CYNET people he mentions in the review.. they're making a dula sleeve too IIRC 15:02:54 _Axu_ cynet, hmm 15:03:53 _Axu_ hehe, www.cynet.com isnt the right page *g* 15:05:16 Tangent Ack.. look at the pictures of it dismantled.... They got two batteries on top of each other, and a huge waste of space at the bottom of the pack above the power connector... 15:05:50 Tangent I know these flay li-polymer batteries are cool.. but a cylindrical cell would fit beautifully in that gap 15:06:15 Tangent Or some hybrid square shaped thing. 15:06:50 Tangent And again.. they got the batteries mounted on a little metal tray that sits about 1mm above the slots... 15:06:58 Tangent making the sleeve thicker than it needs to be 15:07:01 Tangent (again) 15:08:35 _Axu_ Tangent: but anyway, even with the jumbo dualpcmciasleeve its smaller then an subnotebook i know :) and has the longest lasting battery :) 15:09:37 Tangent Yeah.... but when it gets that big, it starts to be a poor mans notebook... Tiny screen... not enough memory... small disk etc... 15:09:47 Tangent and you can't fit it in your pocket :( 15:10:21 Tangent The problem is that PCMCIA cards are all _old_ tech... 15:10:35 Tangent It's the sockets and the cards that waste al the space really... 15:10:46 _Axu_ Tangent: yeah 15:11:11 Tangent The iPAQ comes along, and it's all shiney and new... and compatible with cards made 11 years ago :( 15:14:33 _Axu_ i can live with a (old)gameboy sized fully featured portable computer :) 15:15:31 Tangent My iPAQ's becomming a dongle ;) http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/Untitled-10.jpg 15:16:09 Tangent Tho' I still want the linux dongle to be able to plug into an M$ machine... 15:16:26 Tangent So I can use a million access points worldwide ;) 15:16:53 _Axu_ Tangent: what dongle ? 15:17:13 Tangent _Axu_ : iPAQ + USB&Power cable... 15:17:38 Tangent _Axu_ : Should be able to plug into an M$ machines USB port and use it as an access point to the internet/charger ;) 15:18:17 Tangent Wonder around at work... plug in somewhere.. top up the battery... download some stuff... unplug... drink coffee... compiple... plug... upload... etc 15:18:35 _Axu_ Tangent: i know a dongle as some thing you can plu in youre parallel or usb port witch is read out to verify that you are allowed to use some piece of software 15:19:01 Tangent _Axu_ : Verifies you're running linux ;) 15:19:13 _Axu_ Tangent: yeah ;) 15:20:04 Tangent I had a really twisted idea about how to do this ;) 15:20:27 Tangent You could have some real fun by making the iPAQ emulate a USB keyboard... 15:20:33 Tangent plug it into an M$ box... 15:20:52 _Axu_ tnagent: i c :) 15:20:53 Tangent and get it to type in it's own network driver code into a copy of notepad... 15:21:14 Tangent etc... until you've got networking up 15:21:52 Tangent Probably could have good fun generally making it emulate different USB devices... 15:22:05 _Axu_ http://www.tjotala.com/hardware/batteryext/default.htm 15:22:26 _Axu_ but not the moste elegant choice 15:22:46 Tangent Nah... USB cable is easier to carry.. I'm never that far from a PC with a USB port these days... 15:22:58 Tangent They'll all act as charging points for me already 15:23:20 _Axu_ tanegnt: you can charge through usb ? what ? 15:24:15 Tangent before... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/Cable1.jpg ... after http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/Cable2.jpg 15:24:46 Tangent If you bridge across the USB power to the charger power, then the iPAQ will charge... 15:25:03 Tangent It's perfectly matched to the USB specs for Voltage and current 15:25:40 Tangent but it violates the specs in one small way.... The USB spec says a device must be able to be instructed to stop taking power from the bus... 15:25:46 Tangent and the iPAQ won't do that 15:26:08 _Axu_ hehe, ipaq with 20 gb :) 15:26:21 _Axu_ http://www.tjotala.com/hardware/storagebrick/default.htm 15:26:25 Tangent My iPAQ has the laptop drive NFS mounted on it... 15:26:43 Tangent Heh.. I've plugged a DVD rom drive into mine before too ;) 17:27:47 bonjour, awakened 17:27:47 awakened hello 17:28:02 awakened I am installing linux on my ipaq :) 17:28:09 awakened I have one problem though 17:29:36 awakened for some reason after flashing in the bootloader and reseting the unit, it will send stuff to my display when I hit the calendar button, but I can't type anything through the terminal (minicom) 17:32:20 edwardamAWAY: what? 17:32:20 edwardamAWAY ibot: boodle 17:32:25 boodle was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 days, 16 hours, 34 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: hmm.. verdana-10 sposedly the Flux font used but when I use in .gtkrc it looks quite a bit bigger.. [Sat May 26 01:57:35 2001] 17:32:25 edwardamAWAY ibot: seen boodle 17:33:50 a7r is back 19:18:55 a7r is away: bbl 19:41:51 hi, klespes 19:41:51 klespes hello 19:43:31 nikos Hello 19:45:54 klespes does anybody know how to store a program in the iPAQ flash memory under win ce 3.0 ? 19:51:28 Kero klespes: most people around here have linux installed on their iPAQs... 19:53:00 klespes I hope you have not been disturbed to much 19:54:12 Kero not at all. <ad-mode on>Now install linux on your iPAQ! 19:54:31 Kero You have 32 MB flash and actually want to use nore than 16 MB that wince uses? 19:54:43 Kero install linux! www.handhelds.org </ad-mode> 19:56:13 klespes may be later; but currently I have to solve a Win CE problem. 19:56:34 Kero klespes: given the CD with programs coming with the iPAQ, it should be possible to install software for winCE (some colleagues of mine have done it) but I have no clue how... 19:58:17 klespes yes, we have done this. The problem is that they are stored volatile im RAM. We are looking for a way to flash them. 20:00:43 Kero oops. 20:02:06 Kero OK, here is the bad news: 15.5 MB of the 16 MB flash os taken by WinCE. 20:02:26 Kero The last tiny .5 MB is to store some data through reboot, if ever. 20:04:58 klespes it should be possible to delete some files. How can this be managed ? 20:05:42 klespes How can we create a ROM image, which than could them be loaded by the osloader.exe ? 20:06:03 klespes We did not find anything in the MS SDK API. 20:06:22 ^Digital^ i was wouldering if the usb port on the ipaq gives out power? and if u can configure a quick cam to plug into the port for video chat or broadcast (like a spy cam) 20:06:26 nikos klespes: Please read the /topic, we don't know ANYTHIN about Win CE here. 20:06:45 klespes Ok sorry. 20:07:09 nikos No problem, just want to warn you that you won't find any answers to those questions. 20:07:16 nikos Here I mean. 20:11:44 Kero klespes: wouldn't know about deletion; don't be too optimistic, though... 20:35:10 a7r is back 22:18:30 edwardam is away: I'm busy 22:53:18 edwardam is back (gone 00:34:48) Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot logs, split per channel and by date, etc.

`08:53:58`	`a7r`	`yawn..`
`08:54:08`	`a7r`	`rmk: hey.`
`09:04:03`	`rmk`	`is waiting for 2.4.5 to build atm`
`09:04:30`	`a7r`	`cool.`
`09:52:44`	`a7r`	`is away: sleeping`
`14:37:40`	`_Axu_`	`hi :)`
`14:37:57`	`Tangent`	`Hi _Axu_`
`14:38:03`	`_Axu_`	`hi tangent :)`
`14:38:58`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: last time we met we talked about batterylifetime, the 8 hours mp3 playing, was it with cfsleeve&microdrive ? or with pcmciasleeve ?`
`14:39:11`	`Tangent`	`with pcmcia sleeve`
`14:39:21`	`Tangent`	`about 2.5 hours with CF sleeve`
`14:39:36`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: no battery in cfsleeve ?`
`14:39:48`	`Tangent`	`Nope.. no battery :(`
`14:40:18`	`_Axu_`	`tanegnt: yeah, thought so when looking at the trimmed down version you have`
`14:40:29`	`Tangent`	`Shame becasue there's enough wasted space in the Compaq CF sleeve to fit one in too`
`14:41:24`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: howabout extending the compaq cfsleeve with a battery`
`14:41:56`	`_Axu_`	`hmm, have too look for datasheets of the featureconnector`
`14:42:04`	`Tangent`	`I couldn't source the batteries, and now my CF sleeve PCB is totally inaccessible anyhow ;)`
`14:42:19`	`Tangent`	`Don't think it had charging circuitry anyhow`
`14:42:42`	`_Axu_`	`hmmm, yeah, the cheaper the better`
`14:42:44`	`_Axu_`	`:(`
`14:57:53`	`Tangent`	`would like Dual CF + Battery in one sleeve...`
`14:58:03`	`Tangent`	`PCMCIA sleeve is just too damn big`
`14:58:19`	`Tangent`	`and CF 802.11 cards are starting to appear now too`
`14:58:52`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: yeah but batterylifetime :)`
`14:59:11`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: i m looking at : http://www.dalecoffing.com/iPAQ/DualSlotPC/dualslotPC.htm`
`14:59:40`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: 16hours with 1 card inserted, trhats just wooow :)`
`14:59:46`	`Tangent`	`Look at the size of that thing...`
`14:59:55`	`_Axu_`	`yeah a monster`
`14:59:56`	`_Axu_`	`:)`
`15:00:22`	`Tangent`	`Nah.. I want two CF sockets + battery.. microdrive + CF wireless or wired network card`
`15:00:37`	`_Axu_`	`hmm, are there any non compaq ipaq peripheral building companys`
`15:00:50`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: iek :)`
`15:01:12`	`Tangent`	`Yeah.. there was someone else making a dual PCMCIA sleeve, but they haven't released it`
`15:01:21`	`Tangent`	`and it looks like compaq will beat them to it.`
`15:01:44`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: i do not need a pcmcia sleeve when theres a batterypowered cf sleeve`
`15:02:27`	`_Axu_`	`as i c there are nics,modemcards,storagecards for cf, so why use pcmcia`
`15:02:35`	`Tangent`	`Yeah.. those CYNET people he mentions in the review.. they're making a dula sleeve too IIRC`
`15:02:54`	`_Axu_`	`cynet, hmm`
`15:03:53`	`_Axu_`	`hehe, www.cynet.com isnt the right page g`
`15:05:16`	`Tangent`	`Ack.. look at the pictures of it dismantled.... They got two batteries on top of each other, and a huge waste of space at the bottom of the pack above the power connector...`
`15:05:50`	`Tangent`	`I know these flay li-polymer batteries are cool.. but a cylindrical cell would fit beautifully in that gap`
`15:06:15`	`Tangent`	`Or some hybrid square shaped thing.`
`15:06:50`	`Tangent`	`And again.. they got the batteries mounted on a little metal tray that sits about 1mm above the slots...`
`15:06:58`	`Tangent`	`making the sleeve thicker than it needs to be`
`15:07:01`	`Tangent`	`(again)`
`15:08:35`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: but anyway, even with the jumbo dualpcmciasleeve its smaller then an subnotebook i know :) and has the longest lasting battery :)`
`15:09:37`	`Tangent`	`Yeah.... but when it gets that big, it starts to be a poor mans notebook... Tiny screen... not enough memory... small disk etc...`
`15:09:47`	`Tangent`	`and you can't fit it in your pocket :(`
`15:10:21`	`Tangent`	`The problem is that PCMCIA cards are all _old_ tech...`
`15:10:35`	`Tangent`	`It's the sockets and the cards that waste al the space really...`
`15:10:46`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: yeah`
`15:11:11`	`Tangent`	`The iPAQ comes along, and it's all shiney and new... and compatible with cards made 11 years ago :(`
`15:14:33`	`_Axu_`	`i can live with a (old)gameboy sized fully featured portable computer :)`
`15:15:31`	`Tangent`	`My iPAQ's becomming a dongle ;) http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/Untitled-10.jpg`
`15:16:09`	`Tangent`	`Tho' I still want the linux dongle to be able to plug into an M$ machine...`
`15:16:26`	`Tangent`	`So I can use a million access points worldwide ;)`
`15:16:53`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: what dongle ?`
`15:17:13`	`Tangent`	`_Axu_ : iPAQ + USB&Power cable...`
`15:17:38`	`Tangent`	`_Axu_ : Should be able to plug into an M$ machines USB port and use it as an access point to the internet/charger ;)`
`15:18:17`	`Tangent`	`Wonder around at work... plug in somewhere.. top up the battery... download some stuff... unplug... drink coffee... compiple... plug... upload... etc`
`15:18:35`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: i know a dongle as some thing you can plu in youre parallel or usb port witch is read out to verify that you are allowed to use some piece of software`
`15:19:01`	`Tangent`	`_Axu_ : Verifies you're running linux ;)`
`15:19:13`	`_Axu_`	`Tangent: yeah ;)`
`15:20:04`	`Tangent`	`I had a really twisted idea about how to do this ;)`
`15:20:27`	`Tangent`	`You could have some real fun by making the iPAQ emulate a USB keyboard...`
`15:20:33`	`Tangent`	`plug it into an M$ box...`
`15:20:52`	`_Axu_`	`tnagent: i c :)`
`15:20:53`	`Tangent`	`and get it to type in it's own network driver code into a copy of notepad...`
`15:21:14`	`Tangent`	`etc... until you've got networking up`
`15:21:52`	`Tangent`	`Probably could have good fun generally making it emulate different USB devices...`
`15:22:05`	`_Axu_`	`http://www.tjotala.com/hardware/batteryext/default.htm`
`15:22:26`	`_Axu_`	`but not the moste elegant choice`
`15:22:46`	`Tangent`	`Nah... USB cable is easier to carry.. I'm never that far from a PC with a USB port these days...`
`15:22:58`	`Tangent`	`They'll all act as charging points for me already`
`15:23:20`	`_Axu_`	`tanegnt: you can charge through usb ? what ?`
`15:24:15`	`Tangent`	`before... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/Cable1.jpg ... after http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/Cable2.jpg`
`15:24:46`	`Tangent`	`If you bridge across the USB power to the charger power, then the iPAQ will charge...`
`15:25:03`	`Tangent`	`It's perfectly matched to the USB specs for Voltage and current`
`15:25:40`	`Tangent`	`but it violates the specs in one small way.... The USB spec says a device must be able to be instructed to stop taking power from the bus...`
`15:25:46`	`Tangent`	`and the iPAQ won't do that`
`15:26:08`	`_Axu_`	`hehe, ipaq with 20 gb :)`
`15:26:21`	`_Axu_`	`http://www.tjotala.com/hardware/storagebrick/default.htm`
`15:26:25`	`Tangent`	`My iPAQ has the laptop drive NFS mounted on it...`
`15:26:43`	`Tangent`	`Heh.. I've plugged a DVD rom drive into mine before too ;)`
`17:27:47`		`bonjour, awakened`
`17:27:47`	`awakened`	`hello`
`17:28:02`	`awakened`	`I am installing linux on my ipaq :)`
`17:28:09`	`awakened`	`I have one problem though`
`17:29:36`	`awakened`	`for some reason after flashing in the bootloader and reseting the unit, it will send stuff to my display when I hit the calendar button, but I can't type anything through the terminal (minicom)`
`17:32:20`		`edwardamAWAY: what?`
`17:32:20`	`edwardamAWAY`	`ibot: boodle`
`17:32:25`		`boodle was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 days, 16 hours, 34 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: hmm.. verdana-10 sposedly the Flux font used but when I use in .gtkrc it looks quite a bit bigger.. [Sat May 26 01:57:35 2001]`
`17:32:25`	`edwardamAWAY`	`ibot: seen boodle`
`17:33:50`	`a7r`	`is back`
`19:18:55`	`a7r`	`is away: bbl`
`19:41:51`		`hi, klespes`
`19:41:51`	`klespes`	`hello`
`19:43:31`	`nikos`	`Hello`
`19:45:54`	`klespes`	`does anybody know how to store a program in the iPAQ flash memory under win ce 3.0 ?`
`19:51:28`	`Kero`	`klespes: most people around here have linux installed on their iPAQs...`
`19:53:00`	`klespes`	`I hope you have not been disturbed to much`
`19:54:12`	`Kero`	`not at all. <ad-mode on>Now install linux on your iPAQ!`
`19:54:31`	`Kero`	`You have 32 MB flash and actually want to use nore than 16 MB that wince uses?`
`19:54:43`	`Kero`	`install linux! www.handhelds.org </ad-mode>`
`19:56:13`	`klespes`	`may be later; but currently I have to solve a Win CE problem.`
`19:56:34`	`Kero`	`klespes: given the CD with programs coming with the iPAQ, it should be possible to install software for winCE (some colleagues of mine have done it) but I have no clue how...`
`19:58:17`	`klespes`	`yes, we have done this. The problem is that they are stored volatile im RAM. We are looking for a way to flash them.`
`20:00:43`	`Kero`	`oops.`
`20:02:06`	`Kero`	`OK, here is the bad news: 15.5 MB of the 16 MB flash os taken by WinCE.`
`20:02:26`	`Kero`	`The last tiny .5 MB is to store some data through reboot, if ever.`
`20:04:58`	`klespes`	`it should be possible to delete some files. How can this be managed ?`
`20:05:42`	`klespes`	`How can we create a ROM image, which than could them be loaded by the osloader.exe ?`
`20:06:03`	`klespes`	`We did not find anything in the MS SDK API.`
`20:06:22`	`^Digital^`	`i was wouldering if the usb port on the ipaq gives out power? and if u can configure a quick cam to plug into the port for video chat or broadcast (like a spy cam)`
`20:06:26`	`nikos`	`klespes: Please read the /topic, we don't know ANYTHIN about Win CE here.`
`20:06:45`	`klespes`	`Ok sorry.`
`20:07:09`	`nikos`	`No problem, just want to warn you that you won't find any answers to those questions.`
`20:07:16`	`nikos`	`Here I mean.`
`20:11:44`	`Kero`	`klespes: wouldn't know about deletion; don't be too optimistic, though...`
`20:35:10`	`a7r`	`is back`
`22:18:30`	`edwardam`	`is away: I'm busy`
`22:53:18`	`edwardam`	`is back (gone 00:34:48)`