| 02:29:28 | cmarqu | hi |
| 09:29:19 | Tangent | wakes up.. and isn't happy about being awake |
| 09:29:26 | Tangent | Grmbl |
| 09:29:54 | BBrox | Hmm ? |
| 09:31:06 | cjunky | heh |
| 09:31:20 | Tangent | It was around 5am when I went to bed.. I could do with a couple of extra hours, but GF has kicked me out of bed |
| 09:31:55 | BBrox | Ouch :-) |
| 09:32:24 | cjunky | hahahaha same here |
| 09:32:33 | cjunky | wife kicked me out of bed a few hours ago |
| 09:32:38 | Tangent | :) |
| 09:32:59 | cjunky | i dont see how she should be allowed to lie in but i have to get up |
| 09:33:15 | Tangent | cjunky : Yeah... mine's still lounging around too |
| 09:33:23 | cjunky | mutters about women and double standards. |
| 09:33:35 | Tangent | Damn... these women have got us where they want us... (which is apparently using IRC) |
| 09:34:15 | cjunky | yeh. the worst thing about my wife is shes an admin for the bbc, so she can use irc too |
| 09:34:32 | cjunky | i have to resort to ytalk now as a refuge |
| 09:35:29 | cjunky | btw: the ipaq roms seem to write faster if you put your ipaq in a fridge for half an hour or so |
| 09:35:44 | Tangent | Haha... IRC is still my only safe communications medium... Work can't reach me.. Family can't reach me... Just friends |
| 09:39:17 | cjunky | man having an aircon in my computer room rules. |
| 09:39:37 | cjunky | tries to resist the temptation to go to sleep |
| 10:27:41 | BBrox | should stop web-surfing.... Each time I get new ideas about things to hack on for the iPAQ :-) |
| 11:04:13 | martin | hello, did anyone try xmame on intimate? |
| 11:05:02 | Tangent | martin : Not yet |
| 11:05:09 | martin | hmmmm.... |
| 11:05:14 | Tangent | or at least, if they did then they didn't tell me |
| 11:05:18 | martin | it doesnt appear to work... |
| 11:05:30 | Tangent | What does/doesn't it do? |
| 11:05:47 | martin | no errors appear in the terminal window |
| 11:05:54 | martin | an x window is opened |
| 11:06:02 | martin | but its completely blank |
| 11:06:19 | Tangent | Does it use LibSDL? |
| 11:06:44 | martin | hmmm, not sure.... I think the prob may be related to missing lib... |
| 11:07:00 | Tangent | Sounds reasonable... ldd xmame |
| 11:08:51 | martin | ah got some dependencies up, thanks :) |
| 11:09:14 | Tangent | :D |
| 11:09:17 | martin | didnt know you could do that 8-) |
| 11:09:30 | Tangent | Nor did I until about three months ago |
| 11:09:43 | Tangent | I've learnt so much playing with linux on the iPAQ |
| 11:15:08 | martin | :) |
| 11:15:26 | martin | have some file dependency problem with libm and libc |
| 11:15:40 | martin | cant find the libraries.... |
| 11:15:51 | martin | well the files with exact name |
| 11:16:04 | Tangent | apt-cache dump | grep Package | grep libm |
| 11:18:19 | martin | hmmm, what is libm? |
| 11:18:28 | Tangent | Not sure |
| 11:19:33 | BBrox | libm = libmath |
| 11:19:40 | BBrox | Cosinus, sinus and all that |
| 11:19:57 | Tangent | BBrox : Tangent? |
| 11:20:46 | BBrox | Tangent: you are in libm :-) |
| 11:20:56 | Tangent | Heh.. cool :) |
| 11:21:58 | mdj | hello :) something internet connection related died .... :( |
| 11:22:13 | mdj | its martin again... |
| 11:22:21 | Tangent | I guessed :) |
| 11:22:22 | Tangent | BRB |
| 11:22:30 | mdj | im going do do some search for libm..... |
| 11:26:45 | Tangent | mdj : You probably missed that comment... libm is libmath |
| 11:26:59 | Tangent | mdj : For sine, cosine and of course Tangent :) |
| 11:27:25 | mdj | ah ! |
| 11:28:15 | mdj | :) |
| 11:30:30 | mdj | i think that libc provides libm.... |
| 11:32:29 | mdj | i have libc6 installed, but dont appear to have a filename libc.so.6 |
| 11:33:19 | mdj | I have libm.so too but dont appear to have libm.so.6 |
| 11:33:52 | mdj | is libc a newer version on familiar? |
| 11:34:22 | mdj | maybe if the package was built for familiar there may be some probs running on intimate.... |
| 11:34:43 | mdj | do you know where i can get the source, to re-compile? |
| 11:34:45 | Tangent | Should be the same version I think... You could always try copying it over and running ldconfig (remember to back up the existing libc first) |
| 11:34:57 | Tangent | copying from familiar that is |
| 11:35:05 | mdj | hmmm, okay... |
| 11:36:25 | mdj | thanks for your help tangent :) |
| 11:36:35 | Tangent | NP |
| 11:36:45 | mdj | i'll let u know how i get on later... |
| 11:36:48 | mdj | :) |
| 11:36:52 | mdj | bye for now :) |
| 12:05:42 | BBrox | Hmmmmmm, 22 cycles per pixel... Wonder how the Intel engineers did that for the YUV -> RGB conversion.... |
| 12:06:17 | cjunky | hmmm ok is there a way to transfer a package into the ramfs from boot? |
| 12:06:30 | cjunky | ive got 4.4.6 running but no ppp installed |
| 12:06:36 | cjunky | err 2.4.6 |
| 12:07:02 | BBrox | From bootloader ? |
| 12:07:43 | cjunky | yeh |
| 12:08:02 | BBrox | Why not use 'rx' and 'sx' or 'rz' and 'sz' via the serial port once logged in ? |
| 12:08:12 | cjunky | ah |
| 12:08:30 | cjunky | good thinking batman ;) |
| 12:08:35 | BBrox | Ie use minicom :-) |
| 12:25:32 | cjunky | wierd |
| 12:25:51 | cjunky | under 2.4.6 ramfs comes up as using 0 blocks |
| 12:26:00 | cjunky | but seems to be working ok |
| 12:34:32 | Tangent | ramfs dynamically sizes to fit the contents |
| 12:34:44 | cjunky | ah nice |
| 12:39:35 | cjunky | ok whats the url for the latest itimate installer, and is there anything else i should have installed to familiar before I begin? |
| 12:41:33 | Tangent | cjunky : As long as you've got networking up, you should be ok |
| 12:41:56 | Tangent | cjunky : The installdocs are at http://intimate.handhelds.org/install.shtml |
| 12:42:28 | Tangent | The installer itself is at http://intimate.handhelds.org/installer/beta-installer |
| 12:42:47 | cjunky | tangent: thanks |
| 12:43:24 | cjunky | tangent: i followed the docs the other day, but ended up with an incomplete system, trying to make sure that doesnt happen this time |
| 12:55:12 | Tangent | cjunky : It can be a bit hit and miss depending upon the state of debian unstable |
| 12:55:37 | cjunky | ah |
| 13:00:53 | cjunky | tangent: if the ramfs is dynamically grown in 2.4.6, is there a util to show its status (how much is files, how much is memory, or just how full)? |
| 13:05:45 | Tangent | Just how full I think... |
| 13:05:58 | cjunky | whats it called? |
| 13:11:35 | Tangent | cjunky : df |
| 13:12:15 | mallum | hi Tangent |
| 13:12:37 | cjunky | tangent: no df only shows the rom |
| 13:12:57 | cjunky | according to df ramfs is a filesystem with 0 blocks, and therefore doesnt list it |
| 13:13:18 | cjunky | df -a just outputs: ramfs 0 0 0 - /mnt/ramfs |
| 13:15:31 | Tangent | Do you have anything stored on ramfs yet? |
| 13:24:42 | Tangent | Hi mallum |
| 13:32:33 | cjunky | tangent: yeh i have about 2 meg in there at the moment |
| 13:32:45 | cjunky | tangent df -a still shows ramfs as being 0 blocks |
| 13:33:15 | Tangent | Weird.... Not seen that behaviour before |
| 13:33:46 | cjunky | this is Linux familiar 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-devfs btw |
| 13:33:52 | pisymbol | how did your ramfs get to be 0 blocks |
| 13:33:54 | pisymbol | hmmm... |
| 13:34:15 | cjunky | its clearly not 0 blocks as I can store files in it without any issues |
| 13:38:41 | pisymbol_mailbombing | I'll see you guys later |
| 13:39:23 | cjunky | later |
| 17:27:44 | mallum | is away: bbq |
| 18:42:06 | smok | is away: I'm busy, see you tomorrow |
| 19:27:13 | Willfe | Greetings |
| 19:27:30 | Willfe | chuckles as he finishes cleaning up the mess that was KDE's last failed attempt to run. |
| 19:27:34 | Willfe | Does KDE actually work in Intimate? |
| 19:27:40 | Willfe | I ask 'cause it just exploded colorfully at me :) |
| 19:49:10 | cmarqu | hello |
| 19:50:48 | Willfe | Greetings! |
| 20:48:38 | Tangent | Willfe : Yep.. KDE works for me |
| 20:48:45 | Tangent | Tho KDM doesn't |
| 20:49:07 | Willfe | Yeah, KDM is bogus for me too. |
| 20:49:17 | Willfe | Can you just fire up the KDE window manager and the panel and stuff? |
| 20:49:45 | Willfe | It eventually barks "cpu overload -- aborting" and other comical failure messages before it gives up, with dozens of kdeinit processes just sucking up memory :) |
| 20:49:55 | Willfe | I can get individual KDE apps to run, btw. |
| 20:50:11 | Tangent | CPU overload... that's an interesting message |
| 20:50:13 | Willfe | I will definitely be frightening folks at work tomorrow by forking a copy of Konqueror on it for them :) |
| 20:50:17 | Willfe | Tangent: Yeah :) I laughed when I saw that. |
| 20:50:41 | Willfe | It for some reason puts the image of Mr. Burns just going that "uggggh.." noise he does, then crumbling onto the floor in a heap. |
| 20:52:10 | Tangent | Wow... pretty cool error messages you get |
| 20:53:56 | Willfe | hmmm... there's a hint of disbelief in Tangent, methinks :) |
| 20:54:22 | BBrox | As long as you do not have a CPU core meltdown error :-) |
| 20:54:24 | Willfe | (that last bit was better explained as "in my head, it gives me the image of ...") |
| 20:54:38 | Willfe | Heh. |
| 20:54:49 | Tangent | Nono.. I believe you... I'm just wondering if it's something new in the latest KDE.. It's been weeks since I've touched my iPAQ |
| 20:55:04 | Willfe | "Startind KDE... cpu overload... please place the iPAQ in a containment vessel and leave the state. NOW." |
| 20:55:12 | Willfe | s/Startind/Starting |
| 21:05:50 | Tangent | struggles with analogue electronic circuits |
| 21:56:33 | cmarqu | bash-2.03# mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 |
| 21:56:33 | cmarqu | mount: /dev/hda1: unknown device |
| 21:57:06 | cmarqu | this is qpe over familiar where familar had an intimate installed over it |
| 21:57:27 | cmarqu | does intimate change everything to devfs? |
| 22:24:09 | Tangent | cmarqu : Yep |
| 22:24:18 | Tangent | Tho /dev/hda1 should still work |
| 22:24:31 | Tangent | the device node is created by cardmgr when it starts ide support |
| 22:36:35 | cmarqu | hmm, didn't get created somehow. rebooted in the meantime, getting problems there. |
| 23:46:53 | Tangent | cmarqu : Nope.. not tommorow |
| 23:47:07 | Tangent | Nor any day next week :) |
| 23:47:29 | cmarqu | Tangent: cool. don't need to get up early tomorrow then? |
| 23:47:43 | Tangent | Nope |
| 23:47:54 | Tangent | In fact.. I was still asleep at 7pm today :) |
| 23:48:01 | cmarqu | i wish i could say that... |
| 23:48:37 | cmarqu | oh, 7pm. i only do that when i had tequila the day before |
| 23:48:37 | Tangent | I'm a gentleman of leisure again :) |
| 23:49:18 | cmarqu | so are we getting an xbase-clients-tiny package then? :) |
| 23:50:02 | Tangent | Unlikely.. I should be getting my new house next week... |
| 23:50:17 | Tangent | I've been building the new power and climate control systems to go in there |
| 23:50:41 | Tangent | More fun than repackaging .debs for now |
| 23:50:42 | cmarqu | ah. so you are moving. do you have cat5 everywhere? |
| 23:51:02 | Tangent | Nope |
| 23:51:13 | Tangent | 802.11 for some nodes |
| 23:51:37 | Tangent | The huge majority are being stripped of their cases, and being built into my computer closet |
| 23:52:04 | Tangent | There'll probably be only one machine not located in there |
| 23:52:16 | cmarqu | yeah, that's cool. |
| 23:52:35 | cmarqu | you mean the ipaq is allowed to sit on your desk? |
| 23:52:56 | Tangent | Yeah.. sadly, i haven't connected up the iPAQ in about three weeks... It's got power, but that's all |
| 23:53:21 | Tangent | All my serial ports on this machine are full of IO boards at the moment.. and I haven't got around to unpacking my laptop to use that |
| 23:53:59 | cmarqu | IO for what? |
| 23:54:18 | Tangent | OK.. here's a rundown of the systems for new place... |
| 23:54:31 | Tangent | 1. Solar power source.. 106Watts on a sunny day |
| 23:54:44 | Tangent | 2. Battery charge circuit |
| 23:54:46 | Tangent | 3. Inverter |
| 23:54:59 | Tangent | 4. Many lights, fans etc |
| 23:55:32 | Tangent | Collection of X10, and custom built stuff to hook up to a computer... been developing the interface for it all |
| 23:55:56 | cmarqu | so you have a central control for all that? |
| 23:56:01 | Tangent | My idea is to rewire my office to make use of solar energy if it's available, and to switch over to grid if required |
| 23:56:40 | Tangent | Yep.. currently it's a load of boxes sitting un my desk.. nicely mixing 12V at pretty much unlimited current (unfused), 220VAC, and my PC |
| 23:57:10 | Tangent | You wouldn't believe how quickly you can fry a zener diode with no current limiting |
| 23:58:24 | Tangent | I want to measure solar voltage, solar current, battery voltage, battery current, inverter output, temperature (four locations), light (2 locations), 4xPIR sensor |
| 23:58:27 | cmarqu | hehe. tried without any resistor? |
| 23:58:49 | Tangent | I had the resistor plugged into a bit of breadboard.. I plugged the zener into the wrong hole |
| 23:59:06 | Tangent | got hot very very quickly.. nice little white flash in the middle of it |
| 23:59:15 | cmarqu | :) |
| 23:59:38 | cmarqu | then you need to write a gkrellm plugin to monitor all that |
| 23:59:48 | Tangent | In total, I want to control 4x12V fans, 4x240V light, 1XAircon and whatever X10 stuff I choose to plug into |