IRC log for #htc-linux on 20130216

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15:04.35jonpry_Cotulla, ping
15:04.45Cotullaheya
15:05.06jonpryhttp://unlimited.io/jewel.htm
15:05.25jonpryafaict they must have some kind of exploit to get s-off
15:05.31jonpryis that true?
15:21.02helicopter88jonpry, I used unlimited.io for my evo 3d,they have an exploit for that
15:22.05jonpryevo 4g lte has the same chip as mine
15:36.28detulesame chip?
15:36.42arrrghhhmsm8960
15:36.58detulejonpry is not 8960
15:37.00arrrghhhI tried kanging crap from jewel early on
15:37.10arrrghhhOh, I thought he was.  Jewel is msm8960...
15:37.26detuleyeah evo 4g lte is s3's poorer cousin
15:38.58jonprywell 8064 and 8960 are close enough
15:40.51detuleyeah both start with an 8
15:41.02jonpryuh
15:41.07jonprythe gpu is different
15:41.18jonpryand mine is missing a modem
15:41.21Cotullaboth have one zero in name
15:41.23Cotulla:)
15:41.25arrrghhhlol
15:41.29Cotulla+500
15:41.32jonprybut all other devices are in the same place with the same registers
15:41.34CotullaI win
15:42.18jonpryboth also have a 6
15:42.30detulewhy s-off? want qmagdlr?
15:42.32arrrghhhin the same spot even, bonus
15:42.55Cotulladetule do u found a way to run Q6 code?
15:43.04jonprysomehow they compromised the security model
15:43.06Cotullaoh yea 6 ever on the same position
15:43.12Cotulla:O
15:43.17Cotullahides
15:43.19detuleme? i am like the last person here to find anything
15:43.22jonpry8x6x
15:43.38jonpry(bootloader) Device tampered: false
15:43.38jonpry(bootloader) Device unlocked: true
15:43.38jonpry(bootloader) off-mode-charge: true
15:43.46jonprywtf does that mean
15:43.50detulethey might just have a leaked s-off hboot
15:43.50jonpryhow do i tamper
15:43.51Cotullais touching MSM8960 by spear
15:44.01Cotullais touching APQ8064 by spear
15:44.11detulejonpry, you just fastbootign kernels or flashing them?
15:44.14Cotullahides back from stone
15:44.19jonpryfastboot
15:44.28detulemight check for a signature on /boot
15:44.28Cotullaeating a fastboot as breakfast
15:44.31jonprymost of my kernels aren't designed to work
15:45.02Cotullapissed a signature in the toilet
15:45.25Cotulla:D
15:45.58arrrghhhdetule, so I seem to be having RIL issues on CM10 on my moto poo...
15:46.19detulewhat rilj are you guys using
15:46.20arrrghhhandroid.com.phone crashes on calls in/out, evdo won't connect...
15:46.49arrrghhhlets see
15:47.05arrrghhhrild.libpath=/system/lib/libril-qc-qmi-1.so \
15:47.07arrrghhhI can't find rilj?
15:47.26Cotullahates QMI
15:48.01arrrghhhWell, this czech guy got cm10 booting on my moto
15:48.08arrrghhhbut he's GSM only, so that's all he cares about obviously...
15:48.10detulerilj the ril in the java layer.....basically which class in frameworks/base/telephony/services*
15:48.18arrrghhhdetule, how do I tell?
15:48.29jonprymmm fastboot oem dload
15:49.11Cotullaworking?
15:49.14arrrghhhI have no business reading these radio logcats lol
15:49.46detuleh./d2spr/system.prop:ro.telephony.ril_class=SamsungCDMAQualcommRIL
15:50.06arrrghhhah yea, I don't think I define the ril_class
15:50.27detuleyeah that's no good
15:50.33detulewhat are those other moto folks using
15:50.34arrrghhhwhy the hell does gsm work
15:50.48arrrghhhdetule, I looked at Razr M, I didn't see it there either...
15:52.02arrrghhhhttps://github.com/razrqcom-dev-team/android_device_motorola_xt907/blob/cm-10.1/device_xt907.mk
15:52.11arrrghhhthat file has the propery overrides
15:53.03detulehm
15:53.27arrrghhhbasically the same device, I'm using their kernel and common essentially
15:53.56jonprydid you talk to hashcode about this?
15:53.56detulethe ril blob though is from your stock rom right
15:54.03detuleyeah you want hashcode
15:54.04arrrghhhjonpry, yea I did
15:54.13arrrghhhhe told me to hax build.prop.  which I have been... to no avail.
15:54.18arrrghhhI'll bug him again
15:54.30arrrghhhnot sure what you mean by ril blob...
15:54.36detulethe qmi
15:54.44detule*qmi*.so
15:54.54arrrghhhhm
15:54.57arrrghhhI honestly do not know.
15:55.10arrrghhhlets see if that's in proprietary
15:55.48arrrghhhdetule, yea, there's a bunch of *qmi*.so crap in proprietary
15:55.58arrrghhhlibril-qc-qmi-1.so etc
16:02.43detuledon't know....but there's two parts to the ril...the binary (which is what hyc re-wrote for us) and the java ril
16:02.54detuleCM folks don't bother with re-writing the binary
16:03.03detuleall patching goes to patching the java ril
16:03.22detulethat's why if you look in frameworks/base/telephony* they have all these separated ril classes
16:04.30arrrghhhhmmmm
16:16.09arrrghhhI guess I'll bug hashcode when I see him again...
16:16.18arrrghhhstupid cdma
16:26.50jonpryi'm just giving up and doing this on the touchpad
16:27.05jonprylater on somebody can hack this trust crap
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16:28.56jonpryseems qcom has defeated even Cotulla
16:30.06detuledid you get it to execute on the touchpad?
16:32.47jonprysort of
16:32.59jonpryi can do it but i need to compile a custom kernel
16:38.28jonprythey hacked the pil to work only one time
16:38.41jonprybut i have reset the thing and overwrote it's memory with devmem
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17:12.05Cotullaback
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17:35.19jonpryah jeez
17:35.33jonpryi tried to ask those unlimited.io people for some info
17:35.42jonpryand that blew up
17:38.15jonprydon't ever do that
17:38.23jonpryhttp://pastebin.com/AcSNX5NA
17:45.43Cotullahm u sure it's good to post ?maybe it was private without logs. . .
17:46.36Cotullalol
17:46.38jonprynot completely
17:47.08Cotullabut they sell it?
17:47.24jonpryit's free i think
17:48.28CotullaLOL
17:48.30Cotullastill reading
17:48.31jonpryapparently she is going to post it on facebook
17:48.37jonpryso i think i'm entitled
17:48.41Cotullashe?
17:49.06jonpryT 1361033778 <jonpry>        dude
17:49.06jonpryT 1361033783 <ladyx>    <-- not a dude.
17:52.07Cotullawell
17:52.12Cotullafunny dialog
17:52.35Cotullabut
17:52.36jonpryyeah that was good use of an hour
17:53.12Cotullaa bit rude however
17:53.32Cotullabut I understand their point of view actually
17:53.48jonpryyeah
17:53.56Cotullaour team doing same . . . but ofcourse not so rude. but maybe they really tired from questions.
17:54.02detule*getting popcorn
17:54.03Cotullalook at XDA
17:54.13jonpryXDA is the root of all evil
17:54.13Cotullawhat happen there nowdays actually
17:54.21detulehaven't read it all but i'm telling you i think they just have some leaked s-off bootloader
17:54.33Cotulladetule, it's still big thing
17:54.55jonprythey changed strings in it somehow
17:55.23jonprymaybe unlocked SBL
17:55.36Cotullaour world is not perfect anyway
17:55.43Cotullasadly
17:57.50detuleoh man
18:02.27Cotullapeople are people anyway
18:05.08detuleif they're not selling it i don't get the hoopla about keeping their exploit private
18:05.22detulei guess, they must be making some mean cash on donations
18:05.26Cotullamaybe
18:05.30Cotullabut actually
18:05.33jonpryads to
18:05.35Cotullait's also understable
18:05.50detuleCotulla, you would say it's understandable :[
18:05.53detule:p
18:05.54Cotullano
18:05.58Cotullaour team also never opens how our things are working
18:06.00Cotulla:P
18:06.04Cotullait's clear why
18:06.14Cotullacuz it's not "one day game"
18:06.20Cotullawe also want to do it in the future
18:06.24Cotullawith new devices and etc
18:06.25ali1234i love how they talk about "respect for hard work" after they built cracking tools. douchebags.
18:06.35Cotullakeeping exploits private
18:06.41jonprydon't want qcom to fix it?
18:06.43Cotullaallows to use them in future often
18:06.44Cotullayes
18:06.56Cotullaas well some of them can be used for bad purposes
18:07.07Cotullaand at the end eveyone lost everything
18:07.12jonprylike running Q6 codes
18:07.20jonpryhow diabolical
18:07.28CotullaI have no idea how to do that on MSM8960 seriously
18:07.38jonpryyeah
18:07.47Cotullaif u remember
18:07.51CotullaDHD and Vision
18:08.04Cotullasomeone hacked eMMC protection and posted everything on wiki
18:08.09Cotullaand it was fixed in the next rom
18:08.10Cotulla:D
18:08.36Cotullamost people (on XDA, anywhere) don't care about details actually.
18:09.13Cotullaofcourse it can be great to have a big collaboration of developers
18:09.18Cotullabut in real life it sucks
18:09.21ali1234at this point i have to wonder why people keep buying protected shit
18:09.25Cotullaalways some bitchy persons appear
18:09.35Cotullawho has another goals or simple just don't understand
18:09.38Cotullaideas
18:09.42ali1234it's not like there aren't other choices
18:09.51Cotullahey
18:09.56Cotullapeople don't care
18:10.01Cotullathey bought and using phone
18:10.12Cotullait's only we, geeks, care about that
18:10.19Cotullabut it's around 1% I think
18:10.24Cotullaso it doesn't matter
18:10.33Cotullafor company
18:11.05Cotullaas well selling phones to geeks is dangerous
18:11.08Cotullathey can tell that it sucks
18:11.13Cotullait doesn't support lalala
18:11.19Cotullait doesn't have video and audio in sync
18:11.22Cotulladuring playback
18:11.36Cotullaregular users don't care about that seems
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18:13.34jonpryi'm not really sure why disassembling their crud is any different than them disassembling the HTC stuff
18:13.44jonprymaybe we are all kangers :p
18:14.15Cotullawhat kangers means?
18:14.23jonpryyou don't know?
18:14.25Cotullano
18:14.28jonprylol
18:14.37jonprykanger is like Chad Goodman
18:14.49jonpryapt what is kanger
18:14.49aptjonpry: I think you lost me on that one
18:14.56jonprythieves
18:14.56Cotullahttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kangers ?
18:15.47jonpryit's like AOKP
18:15.59Cotullaoh
18:16.00Cotullawell
18:16.14CotullaI am very clear understand that everything what I am doing is completely illegal
18:16.16CotullaMAGLDR and etc
18:16.25jonpry:p
18:16.32Cotullaofcourse we can consider relationships of developers inside community
18:16.33detuleit's not about legality, more like shamelessly taking other people's work either without giving credit or just flat out claiming as your own
18:16.46Cotullabut community is rather rotten
18:16.54jonprycommunity never credits HTC
18:16.59Cotullaöóää
18:17.00Cotullawell
18:17.15Cotullaeverynoob wanted to see HTC on phone instead of MAGLDR boot screen :\
18:17.22Cotulla:D
18:19.55Cotullawell, I understand them fully, except too rude talk
18:20.00Cotullabut maybe they are tired
18:20.02Cotullacuz everyday
18:20.07Cotullasomeone fuck their brain
18:20.13Cotullaand it's hard to detect who is who
18:20.21Cotulla:(
18:20.50detulewe'd all be screwed if linux development wasn't built on the concept of giving back to the community
18:21.03jonpryi really like it when kangers try to actively discredit the true authors
18:21.13Cotulladetule, u sure it is?
18:21.21Cotullalook at that fake hexagon code for example
18:21.27Cotullawhere is "back to community"?
18:21.39jonpryqcom sucks the community out
18:21.52Cotullawell, they just doing their work
18:21.59jonpryreplaces with one way pipe
18:22.01Cotullasamsung I heard is much worse
18:22.04Cotullaisn't it
18:22.06Cotulla?
18:22.17jonpryno modem
18:22.23jonpryso it's hard to compare
18:22.33jonprysince the evil doing is so centered around that thing
18:22.43Cotullawhy
18:22.56jonpryencrypted signed everything
18:22.59Cotulla:D
18:23.02jonpryno access to interrupt controllers
18:23.06jonpryor io ports
18:23.15Cotullait's common nowdays
18:23.22jonprygotta ask modem to touch anything via undocumented software commands
18:23.36Cotullawell it's same if u have undocumented hardware
18:23.39detuleCotulla, what's the alternative, fix something and hold onto the patch?
18:23.44Cotullau can thread modem as hardware
18:23.46detulefor what donations and glory?
18:24.13Cotullasome persons do that
18:24.17Cotullalong time
18:24.25detulethose persons would be screwed if everyone else did that
18:24.43Cotullayes
18:24.49Cotullabut I don't have answers
18:24.50detuleit's like if there were  no custom roms for the evo lte, no open source development, there would be no need for their stupid unlocker
18:25.17CotullaI am not sure how is it working
18:25.19Cotullaand how it's done
18:25.27detuleso with one hand they are benefiting from open source development and taking from the developer community and with the other refusing to give back
18:25.50Cotullawell why they must?
18:25.54Cotullathey just did something
18:26.12Cotullapeople can unlock phones by HTC official program
18:26.14Cotullahowever
18:26.19Cotullabut they will lost varanty
18:26.20detulenobody is saying they must or forcing their hands....all I am saying is that at best it robs them from their moral highground, at worst it makes them douchebags
18:26.30helicopter88Cotulla, unlocking with HTCdev is a pita
18:26.44Cotulladunno
18:26.57helicopter88I have been unlocked with htcdev for some months
18:26.58helicopter88pain
18:26.59Cotullaour team never released any internal things and I am still feel myself moral good :D
18:27.11Cotullau should not look to that like "they must"
18:27.18Cotullalook to that like "they do"
18:27.45Cotullaif they are doing it from zero (unlocks)
18:27.47Cotullait's big work
18:27.49CotullaI know that
18:28.24Cotullaofcourse in ideal word
18:28.30detuleyou'd be at home with Apple :[
18:28.30Cotullathey share their exploits
18:28.32detule:p
18:28.36detulestupid brace
18:28.44Cotullaand other developers port them to another devices
18:28.50Cotullabut in real world:
18:28.56Cotulla1)they share their exploits
18:29.01Cotulla2)exploits are fixed fast
18:29.14Cotulla3)someone took them and made alternative installer with pink color and ponies
18:29.34Cotulla4)someone just start to do illegal actions - change IMEI
18:29.43Cotullaand etc
18:30.49Cotullaand maybe
18:30.54Cotulla5)some people will got a problems
18:31.26detuleit's slippery slope once you start justifying witholding code for this and that, you can't draw boundaries....
18:31.50Cotullayes, we can't draw boundaries
18:32.31CotullaI am few years in that community and all that clear for me
18:32.36Cotullabefore I was also kinda
18:32.51Cotulla"heeey why that *itch didn't share things?!?"
18:32.54Cotulla:D
18:42.35Cotullathis guy reply
18:48.39ali1234i had to use illegal IMEI fix :/
18:48.51ali1234cos i accidentally wiped nvram
18:48.55ali1234that sucked
18:49.23Cotulla:(
18:49.39Cotullaaccidentally == by reading SMS?
18:49.40Cotulla:D
18:49.44Cotullaor playing angry birds
18:49.45Cotulla:D
18:49.53ali1234something like that yes :)
18:49.56Cotulla:D
18:49.58Cotullahah
18:54.46ali1234funny thing was the phone worked for months with no IMEI
18:54.55ali1234i didn't even realise for ages
18:55.14CotullaI heard china phones has same IMEI
18:55.17ali1234i even rang up operator help line to ask why my phone didn't work and the person looked up the details and was like "WTF!?!?!?!?"
18:55.18Cotulla*have
18:55.43Cotullawhich phone?
18:55.51ali1234SGS
18:57.29ali1234if the IMEI is so big an important and illegal to change they should burn it in a god damn PROM
18:58.24ali1234but no. "we are too cheap to put in a 10p component to make it impossible to change or break, so we spend billions lobbying for dumb laws instead"
19:02.53Cotullait's like MAC address
19:02.57Cotulla:D
19:04.56ali1234it's just annoying that it's illegal for me to repair something i own
19:05.26ali1234when they easily could have made it impossible to break in the first place
19:05.37Cotullawell it is
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19:13.54jonpryso where exactly are these no boundries being drawn
19:14.31Cotullayes, everyone need decide for himself
19:14.42Cotullaand maybe correct his decision with time
19:14.48Cotullahm
19:14.51Cotullaor for herself :D
19:14.59Cotulladunno if english has that word however
19:15.03Cotullamaybe it is not
19:15.17Cotullais it?
19:17.01jonpryit does
19:17.50fakkerpunches Cotulla in the kisser
19:21.52Cotullahehe
19:21.53CotullaI win
19:22.03Cotullalol
19:22.08Cotullafakker new word
19:22.09Cotullapfff
19:22.17Cotullafunny one
19:22.18Cotullalol
19:22.48fakkerpfff is the word?
19:22.56Cotullano
19:23.07fakkerwhat is the new word
19:23.17Cotullakisser
19:23.19Cotulla:D
19:23.20fakker:)
19:23.25fakkernow say, pow right in the kisser
19:23.33Cotullawtf
19:23.35fakker:D
19:23.50CotullaI don't get u dude at all
19:24.01jonpryis that like a pie hole?
19:24.07fakkerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2me8x7PLd1k
19:24.08Cotullau talk like dudetta actually
19:24.22Cotullaf him
19:25.13fakkeron this wonderful note, i must climb a mountain
19:25.29fakkerbrb, smoke me a kipper - i'll be back for breakfast
19:26.02Cotullaok
19:26.08Cotullaclimb it until it still hot
20:00.05jonpryi got the touchpad kernel modified
20:01.04Cotullanie
20:01.05Cotullanice
20:01.16Cotullaso u in hexy party soon?
20:01.36jonpryi think so
20:04.45jonprydamn hexy linux
20:05.39Cotulla:D
20:28.04jonprygot code running
20:31.50jonpryCotulla ^^
20:33.16Cotulla:D
20:33.19Cotullagood
20:33.26jonpryyeah
20:33.52jonpryso i think first code needs to setup identity map tables
20:33.56jonpryand then mmu on
20:34.08Cotullayea I am working under it
20:34.55jonpryi might need some code
20:35.14Cotullawhen I finish
20:35.18CotullaI will push it
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