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| 01:36.34 | randomblame | icebone: you there |
| 01:36.56 | randomblame | http://www.lg-incite.com/index.php?topic=4622.0 |
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| 01:56.11 | NeoMatrixJR_Mobi | Is there a special google voice app for ported droid? Or will GV even work on RHOD port w/o audio? |
| 02:15.38 | NeoMatrixJR_Mobi | I can hear you breathing.... and now I'm wishing the RHOD keyboard light worked. |
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| 03:18.17 | jonpry | does anyone have a memorymap for TP2? / know what is at 0xba081xxx? |
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| 04:04.44 | randomblame | I think paint fumes may have made me retarded |
| 04:05.05 | randomblame | totally worth it though |
| 04:06.16 | AstainHellbring | lol randomblame |
| 04:06.18 | AstainHellbring | what did you do? |
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| 04:08.49 | randomblame | I did this: http://www.lg-incite.com/index.php?topic=4622.0 |
| 04:09.59 | AstainHellbring | lol |
| 04:10.39 | randomblame | that color of paint is no longer in production |
| 04:12.02 | randomblame | and it's about as close as you can get to the factory paint without spending 60 bucks a can |
| 04:13.59 | AstainHellbring | doesnt quite see reason to paint block |
| 04:17.16 | randomblame | well when you open the hood those sorts of details are important |
| 04:17.31 | randomblame | I like to see peoples jaws drop |
| 04:17.42 | randomblame | I like to see their tears of envy |
| 04:17.56 | randomblame | and it adds a lot of value to the car if it is properly restored |
| 04:18.52 | randomblame | Andddd every month when the thing breaks down and I'm cursing and wondering why I put up with it seeing a pretty engine might help |
| 04:21.12 | randomblame | if you think thats crazy you should see this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/2605986529_7ff1a99409_b.jpg |
| 04:21.55 | randomblame | that's a 71 perfectly restored except the radiator hose is rubber and not braided. Some people argue over serial numbers on alternators |
| 04:22.01 | randomblame | it gets ridiculous |
| 04:24.44 | |Jason8| | dude |
| 04:24.56 | |Jason8| | did you do any rebuilding on that engine? |
| 04:25.04 | randomblame | no mine is the first link |
| 04:25.09 | |Jason8| | oh |
| 04:25.18 | |Jason8| | wait |
| 04:25.20 | |Jason8| | that is what i clicked |
| 04:25.25 | randomblame | I can't afford the kind of insanity that that second link took |
| 04:25.30 | |Jason8| | yeah |
| 04:25.33 | |Jason8| | second one is rediculous |
| 04:25.36 | |Jason8| | but dude |
| 04:25.38 | |Jason8| | on hte first |
| 04:25.44 | randomblame | the first is mine |
| 04:25.49 | |Jason8| | looks like a junkyard engine |
| 04:25.51 | |Jason8| | did you rebuild it? |
| 04:25.52 | randomblame | I bought it this weekend |
| 04:25.56 | |Jason8| | make any extra ponies? |
| 04:26.10 | randomblame | no I just cleaned it and painted it. The rebuild is forthcoming |
| 04:26.13 | |Jason8| | ah. |
| 04:26.18 | |Jason8| | shave the head a bit |
| 04:26.22 | randomblame | The head is getting shaved yep |
| 04:26.22 | |Jason8| | a nice valve job |
| 04:26.29 | |Jason8| | new rings |
| 04:26.33 | |Jason8| | maybe bore it out |
| 04:26.37 | randomblame | the head is actually imaculate the valves are perfect the cam lobes etc |
| 04:26.40 | |Jason8| | mmm. |
| 04:26.41 | |Jason8| | sweet. |
| 04:26.47 | |Jason8| | not gonna cam it right away? ;) |
| 04:27.01 | randomblame | no I don't believe in aftermarket cams, they don't forge them anymore |
| 04:27.24 | randomblame | they are out of the original blanks |
| 04:27.40 | randomblame | and the last aftermarket cam I bought twisted in half |
| 04:27.57 | randomblame | the front half kept spinning the rear did not |
| 04:28.00 | randomblame | it was ugly |
| 04:28.29 | randomblame | I might have this cam reground |
| 04:28.35 | randomblame | since it's in great shape |
| 04:28.40 | |Jason8| | ah |
| 04:28.50 | |Jason8| | and... uh... |
| 04:28.52 | |Jason8| | that would hurt |
| 04:28.53 | |Jason8| | cringes |
| 04:29.14 | randomblame | a valve let go |
| 04:29.26 | randomblame | decided to go through a piston |
| 04:29.35 | |Jason8| | yeah |
| 04:29.39 | randomblame | it was total devastation |
| 04:29.59 | randomblame | this block is an f54 out of a zx n/a |
| 04:30.02 | randomblame | flat top pistons |
| 04:30.34 | randomblame | I need to find a good machinist to shave it and blast it so it's as pretty as the block |
| 04:30.53 | |Jason8| | aye. |
| 04:31.14 | |Jason8| | is that baby blue the stock color? |
| 04:31.37 | randomblame | it's really close |
| 04:31.44 | randomblame | a shade or two lighter |
| 04:32.38 | randomblame | someone found a motor a long time ago that was in a warehouse sealed and saved and paint matched the color |
| 04:32.48 | randomblame | but that was before computers |
| 04:32.55 | randomblame | and it's not that precise |
| 04:34.26 | randomblame | it's close enough for 6 bucks a can |
| 04:34.44 | randomblame | closer matches are 30-40 bucks a can |
| 04:35.04 | randomblame | and I don't care that much |
| 04:37.52 | randomblame | I hate ebay my tilt2 still hasn't arrived |
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| 04:38.03 | randomblame | and my wife took hers away from me |
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| 06:26.44 | tmzt_ | jonpry: we have wiki.htc-linux.org |
| 06:26.52 | tmzt_ | if it's not there ask cr2 in #htc-linux tomorrow |
| 06:26.58 | tmzt_ | are you looking for phys or virt? |
| 06:29.32 | Untouchab1e | I am very curious as to this whole 800mV vs 925mV kernel thing. From what Ive read around here, 925mV should technically improve battery life and also give a better/more stable radio signal. |
| 06:30.00 | Untouchab1e | but yeah.. people cant seem to agree |
| 06:31.28 | tmzt_ | look at Raphael in the wiki |
| 06:34.39 | jonpry | tmzt_: virt addresses probably aren't much use |
| 06:36.29 | jonpry | i'll try to find cr2. the stuff that i have doesn't seem to line up with htc-linux very well. |
| 06:37.05 | jonpry | i've got the windows drivers loaded/executing in linux :-) |
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| 14:46.28 | mickeyl | phh: do you have any more cool ideas for BT or are we doomed until we use android's version? |
| 14:53.12 | mickeyl | phh: i get an error with your patch |
| 14:53.14 | mickeyl | In file included from arch/arm/mach-msm/board-trout-rfkill.c:25: |
| 14:53.14 | mickeyl | arch/arm/mach-msm/board-trout.h:24:37: warning: "MSM_PMEM_GPU1_BASE" is not defined |
| 14:53.14 | mickeyl | arch/arm/mach-msm/board-trout.h:25:2: error: #error invalid memory map |
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| 14:56.34 | mickeyl | bringing back the missing define still makes the sanity check erroring out |
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| 15:31.43 | hfctsaot | \o/ |
| 15:33.02 | mickeyl | how does the droid kernel usually communicate the reason reason to userland? |
| 15:35.37 | hfctsaot | phh camera sux :-( |
| 15:47.06 | mickeyl | ./arch/arm/mach-msm/smd_private.h contains a couple of wakeup reasons |
| 15:47.12 | mickeyl | but i can't find anything using these constants |
| 15:47.27 | mickeyl | i guess they're set in arm9 firmware and then communicated to arm11? |
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| 15:50.44 | Captnoord | yoyo |
| 15:51.42 | mickeyl | morning |
| 15:51.47 | Captnoord | hehe |
| 15:51.51 | Captnoord | its afternoon here |
| 15:51.51 | mickeyl | any idea how to obtain the resume reason? |
| 15:52.06 | Captnoord | wince? |
| 15:52.10 | mickeyl | userland |
| 15:52.12 | Captnoord | k |
| 15:52.15 | Captnoord | dono |
| 15:52.35 | mickeyl | k |
| 15:52.40 | phh | [22:52:29] <stinebd> [13:46:30] <phh> ok. is there any way to use an SD card on linux without killing the rest of userland ? << mount async, not sync ;) <-------- eats all memory => kills userland. |
| 15:54.00 | Captnoord | http://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/laminate/IMAG0022.jpg |
| 15:54.01 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 15:54.34 | Captnoord | http://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/laminate/IMAG0026.jpg |
| 15:54.37 | Captnoord | even more bleh |
| 15:54.40 | phh | [05:22:23] <jonpry> does anyone have a memorymap for TP2? / know what is at 0xba081xxx? <------- phys ? virt ? whose virt ? wince ? spl ? linux ? and almost everything is in the wiki |
| 15:54.47 | Captnoord | notice the angles |
| 15:55.27 | AstainHellbring | anyone here have desire yet? |
| 15:55.36 | Captnoord | a friend of mine has |
| 15:55.44 | phh | [08:41:14] <jonpry> i've got the windows drivers loaded/executing in linux :-) <----------- oO |
| 15:56.00 | Captnoord | oO |
| 15:56.01 | Captnoord | cool |
| 15:56.06 | phh | [16:50:41] <mickeyl> phh: do you have any more cool ideas for BT or are we doomed until we use android's version? <------ I should try official bluez stuff on a system I know like my diamond. |
| 15:56.32 | Captnoord | [17:55] <phh> [08:41:14] <jonpry> i've got the windows drivers loaded/executing in linux :-) <----------- oO |
| 15:56.33 | Captnoord | wine? |
| 15:56.43 | phh | Captnoord: wine for arm ? |
| 15:56.47 | mickeyl | phh: sounds good |
| 15:56.48 | Captnoord | I dono |
| 15:56.49 | phh | wine for *wince* arm ? |
| 15:56.59 | phh | wine for *kernel land* *wince* *arm* |
| 15:57.07 | AstainHellbring | Cadavre what you think of it? |
| 15:57.08 | Parad0XUA | *lol* |
| 15:57.15 | Captnoord | the wince api isn't in wine |
| 15:57.16 | AstainHellbring | Captnoord what you think of your friends desire? |
| 15:57.34 | Captnoord | haven't touched it yet..... |
| 15:57.35 | phh | AstainHellbring: there is also IceBone. |
| 15:57.40 | Captnoord | reason... see pictures above |
| 15:57.50 | AstainHellbring | ic very busy with that eh |
| 15:58.00 | Captnoord | perfection is a burden |
| 15:58.28 | phh | Captnoord: I'm not really a DIY men... but what's the problem ? |
| 15:58.29 | AstainHellbring | big burden |
| 15:59.12 | phh | I mean I can't see anything wrong on your photos -_-' |
| 15:59.20 | Captnoord | phh thats the result.... |
| 15:59.22 | Captnoord | how I got it |
| 15:59.25 | Captnoord | is the burden |
| 15:59.32 | Captnoord | I could have done it the easy way |
| 15:59.35 | phh | ah ok |
| 15:59.45 | Captnoord | but I did it the hard way |
| 15:59.50 | Captnoord | way better result |
| 16:00.09 | Captnoord | kitchen floor is in line with the living room's |
| 16:00.17 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 16:00.20 | Captnoord | work work work |
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| 16:05.34 | mickeyl | evening leviathan |
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| 16:05.51 | mickeyl | leviathan: any idea how to get hold of the resume reason? |
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| 16:11.18 | jonpry | phh:phys ? virt ? whose virt ? wince ? spl ? linux ? and almost everything is in the wiki <------- phys i think. the wince driver is writing to 8 different adresses in 5 pages. One of them is at oxb3xxxxxx. which from the wiki looks like a shadow of ox1fxxxxxx. the shares memory area |
| 16:11.37 | phh | jonpry: if it's "wince writes to", then it's virt |
| 16:11.51 | phh | and you can do dump mmu in haret to know that |
| 16:11.56 | jonpry | buts its in kernel mode when it does that |
| 16:13.19 | jonpry | i will try that. for now i am running the driver in userd mode, and just mmap |
| 16:13.31 | jonpry | 'ing memory into whatever it wants to use as io space |
| 16:19.34 | jonpry | now if only i could find a description of sharedvirtualalloccopy |
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| 16:42.24 | jonpry | http://pastebin.com/tWcbrpC3 WAV_Init() running in linux :-) |
| 16:46.14 | phh | from userland ? |
| 16:49.18 | jonpry | yes. just to cut down on kernel dumps |
| 16:50.27 | jonpry | i still need to fixup the calling conventions when there are more than 4 args, and implement tons of the functions. but most of them are just wrapper for stuff that exists |
| 16:51.25 | phh | have fun. I prefer the good old way with IDA. |
| 16:51.31 | phh | even if it's less efficient |
| 16:53.32 | jonpry | of course. maybe it would be helpful to debug it running in usermode? |
| 16:53.59 | phh | yup |
| 16:54.00 | phh | totally |
| 16:54.03 | phh | and not only for sound |
| 16:55.06 | phh | that makes me think |
| 16:55.11 | phh | jonpry: perhaps you should begin with gps |
| 16:55.21 | phh | it uses way less functions |
| 16:55.21 | jonpry | when i get it running a little better, i'll put it up somewhere. you can use it for gdb or whatever |
| 16:56.16 | phh | I think gps only uses smd/rpc and thread stuff |
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| 16:57.27 | jonpry | sound doesn't use much more. it sends broadcast events to say that sound is working, and attempts to open some configuration files |
| 16:57.41 | jonpry | but it just continues when all of the above fail |
| 16:57.49 | phh | (and then segfaults :p) |
| 16:58.04 | jonpry | i think that the sharevirtualalloc |
| 16:58.53 | jonpry | its hard to tell. the segfault is at something along the lines of ****char**** |
| 16:59.05 | jonpry | like 4 dereferences |
| 16:59.52 | jonpry | i think i'm just going to import MMMAP.dll to get the function. I was trying to keep it to one dll, but the linker works, and i have no idea what that function does |
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| 17:01.49 | jonpry | isn't the only thing wrong with gps that it freezes after sometime? |
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| 17:03.16 | phh | jonpry: no it just doesn't work |
| 17:03.25 | phh | A9 resets when we try gps |
| 17:03.56 | jonpry | sounds like a job for wince wine |
| 17:05.00 | jonpry | do you know what the driver dll is? |
| 17:06.38 | jonpry | i see gpsaux,gpsdriver, and gpsid_HTC |
| 17:06.50 | phh | gpsdriver |
| 17:09.16 | jonpry | i'll take a look at it later tonight |
| 17:09.43 | jonpry | probably calls stuff from rpc_svcs_clnt.dll? |
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| 17:12.13 | phh | jonpry: yes |
| 17:12.19 | phh | jonpry: you'll need to reimplement them |
| 17:12.32 | phh | but it's quite easy to do with android's librpc :p |
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| 17:14.23 | jonpry | i can load rpc_svcs_clnt.dll, but then it wants ONCRPC |
| 17:14.46 | phh | jonpry: it will "just" conflict with linux's rpc stuff ... |
| 17:15.42 | jonpry | yeah, cutting down on the imports is going to be important. else we end up loading all of wince |
| 17:17.28 | jonpry | stupid sharedvirtualalloc |
| 17:18.47 | jonpry | i gtg |
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| 17:36.19 | phh | jontow: what are its arguments value ? the name doesn't sound really complicated, and the order of arguments can be guessed |
| 17:37.34 | phh | jonpr* |
| 17:37.38 | phh | ah right he left. |
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| 19:18.57 | chamonix | hey guys |
| 19:19.18 | gauner1986 | heyho |
| 19:19.50 | Captnoord | yo |
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| 20:03.12 | Captnoord | phh |
| 20:03.20 | Captnoord | remember me enabling the mcc power stuff |
| 20:03.24 | Captnoord | that was stupid |
| 20:03.29 | Captnoord | majorly stupid |
| 20:03.37 | Captnoord | as it causes the drain to increase |
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| 20:06.07 | Captnoord | cheers |
| 20:13.30 | chamonix | Captnoord: do u remember the commit? |
| 20:14.16 | Captnoord | yup |
| 20:14.26 | Captnoord | mine!!!! |
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| 20:15.04 | Captnoord | I think its the wrong power pin we are using |
| 20:15.06 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 20:15.12 | Captnoord | checking it now |
| 20:16.16 | chamonix | cool... I just tested zImage.20100409_125337 and it was 14 hrs without SIM |
| 20:18.17 | chamonix | baseline is 22 |
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| 20:18.37 | Captnoord | chamonix: i'll try to find the commit for ya |
| 20:19.17 | chamonix | that would be great and I'd be happy to confirm with my tests as I've narrowed it down to 3 days now |
| 20:19.52 | Captnoord | chamonix: btw I already commited the disabling of the mmc shit |
| 20:20.26 | Captnoord | commit 5915499bb83503c6e0f40f1da21adda1e46dd4a5 |
| 20:20.43 | chamonix | k, once I spotted the kernel that is responsible for the loss I'll confirm that that commit fixes it and if it fixes the complete loss |
| 20:20.58 | Captnoord | k |
| 20:23.53 | gso | hi! i'm trying to install linux on my BlueAngel (qtek9090), wondering what autorun.exe to use... i'm following this guide: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngelHowtoInstallLinux |
| 20:24.05 | chamonix | I can't check my table because pjottrr is offline but the date seems weird to me Captnoord |
| 20:24.07 | Captnoord | hmmmm |
| 20:24.09 | Captnoord | got it...... |
| 20:24.28 | Captnoord | sdcc is 24 not 23 |
| 20:24.38 | chamonix | from my tests the loss would be either end of march of begin of april |
| 20:24.38 | Captnoord | vreg |
| 20:25.35 | Captnoord | k |
| 20:26.40 | gso | it says that I need to download "Autorun". |
| 20:27.12 | chamonix | gso: go a to the "old" description, you'll find the files there, among others haret.exe |
| 20:27.33 | chamonix | it's 1/2 way down the page u posted |
| 20:28.37 | Captnoord | swapped gp6 with rf vreg's |
| 20:28.45 | chamonix | tztztz :P |
| 20:28.49 | Captnoord | and corrected the mmc vdd switching again |
| 20:29.24 | gso | chamonix: ok! thanks! I'm blind :) |
| 20:29.33 | chamonix | no problem |
| 20:29.40 | chamonix | good luck gso |
| 20:32.17 | Captnoord | chamonix: ..... |
| 20:32.19 | Captnoord | yup |
| 20:32.24 | Captnoord | it was the sdcc vreg |
| 20:32.29 | Captnoord | does EVIL LAUGH |
| 20:32.44 | Captnoord | we'r getting closer and closer to device spec |
| 20:32.44 | Captnoord | :D |
| 20:32.48 | Captnoord | i'll commit the fix |
| 20:32.56 | Captnoord | i'm sure you like it |
| 20:33.04 | Captnoord | it will increase battery life 2x |
| 20:33.06 | Captnoord | or more |
| 20:33.17 | Captnoord | phh: I dono if your still awake |
| 20:33.18 | Captnoord | :P |
| 20:33.20 | chamonix | ok, once I finished the one I started just now I'll test the latest (in about 14 hours) |
| 20:33.39 | chamonix | hmmmm, Captnoord I may interrupt my test to check that |
| 20:33.44 | Captnoord | hehe |
| 20:33.47 | chamonix | HeHeHe |
| 20:34.20 | chamonix | r u equipped to take reading of effective consumption in sleepmode? |
| 20:34.38 | Captnoord | yup |
| 20:34.41 | Captnoord | not exact |
| 20:34.48 | Captnoord | but close anough to make statements I did |
| 20:35.11 | chamonix | how fare are we from the possible optimum? |
| 20:35.17 | chamonix | -e |
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| 20:35.25 | Fuddbob | Hey does anyone know about Sprints 'rebate' oppurtunities? |
| 20:35.32 | Captnoord | optimum is 3ma |
| 20:35.41 | Captnoord | which in my test setting is almost 0 |
| 20:36.05 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 20:36.06 | Captnoord | crap |
| 20:36.08 | Captnoord | uber crap |
| 20:36.13 | Captnoord | wtf am I doing |
| 20:36.21 | chamonix | dunno, tell me :-D |
| 20:36.36 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 20:36.41 | Captnoord | need to test again with shit disabled |
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| 20:37.11 | Captnoord | bleh I need to check the scope's setting |
| 20:37.15 | Captnoord | before screaming like this |
| 20:37.40 | chamonix | how do u take readings? have u added a resistor? |
| 20:37.49 | Captnoord | yea |
| 20:38.03 | Captnoord | in the negative line of the battery |
| 20:38.14 | Captnoord | and I use a scope todo diff voltage reading on the resistor |
| 20:38.19 | chamonix | cool |
| 20:38.27 | Captnoord | its not exact |
| 20:38.30 | Captnoord | but its good anough' |
| 20:38.44 | chamonix | do u know any usb scope solution with linux support? |
| 20:38.57 | Captnoord | i'm using a analog scope atm |
| 20:38.59 | Captnoord | I dono |
| 20:39.04 | chamonix | k |
| 20:39.34 | chamonix | I always wanted one but I know only of prototypes or windows solutions :-/ |
| 20:40.07 | Captnoord | hmmm there should be some around |
| 20:40.22 | Captnoord | I don't believe there aren't good scope's for linux |
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| 20:43.07 | dcordes | evening fellas |
| 20:43.25 | chamonix | hey dcordes |
| 20:43.58 | dcordes | chamonix, hi hows it going ? |
| 20:45.00 | chamonix | pretty good ty, testing battery life as my mobile is useless without SIM for a while.... hows u? |
| 20:45.41 | Captnoord | thank got... |
| 20:45.45 | dcordes | sim broken? I'm good thanks. taking a drink and enjoying the summer weather |
| 20:45.49 | Captnoord | my statement is still correct |
| 20:45.55 | dcordes | captn'! |
| 20:45.58 | Captnoord | nah |
| 20:46.02 | dcordes | what statement? |
| 20:46.11 | Captnoord | my sdcc patch to enable vreg switching |
| 20:46.19 | chamonix | nah not broken, just disabled by vodafone, waiting for a new one |
| 20:46.20 | Captnoord | fucked up a lot of power consumption |
| 20:46.37 | dcordes | waahh vodafone. my worst enemy |
| 20:46.38 | Captnoord | with the stuff disabled like it is now |
| 20:46.40 | IceBone | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/firefox-now-available-for-android-2-0-and-above-still-at-pre-al/ |
| 20:46.47 | Captnoord | we gain a lot of battery life |
| 20:47.24 | Captnoord | lets say drain went from about 40ma to roughtly 20 - 25 ma |
| 20:47.26 | Captnoord | on sleep |
| 20:47.36 | dcordes | chamonix, I'm in a fight with them because they lurked me into a contract, promising my internet conditions wouldn't change and now I've got 1 instead of 5 gb traffic limit until dial up speed limit |
| 20:48.09 | dcordes | does it make so much sense to run firefox in android? |
| 20:48.13 | Captnoord | nope |
| 20:48.21 | Captnoord | not made for it |
| 20:48.30 | Captnoord | and from what I heared it needs a lot more love |
| 20:48.33 | dcordes | there's better/faster options I guess |
| 20:48.33 | Captnoord | before its usable |
| 20:48.47 | Captnoord | dcordes: http://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/laminate/IMAG0026.jpg |
| 20:48.57 | Captnoord | besides power consumption |
| 20:49.01 | Captnoord | i'm working on that |
| 20:49.50 | chamonix | Captnoord: I trust u blindly and start a test run now |
| 20:49.58 | dcordes | wow. showing some love for the house |
| 20:50.02 | dcordes | it's always good ^^ |
| 20:50.10 | Captnoord | http://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/laminate/IMAG0022.jpg |
| 20:50.14 | Captnoord | more love |
| 20:52.15 | chamonix | dcordes: that's y I canceled my contract with vodafone.... I'm an over 10 years customer and they lately showed they r not interested in keeping me as a customer |
| 20:52.27 | [acl] | thats really effin good laminate. my laminate looks like plastic. |
| 20:53.08 | Captnoord | [acl]: we didn't choose for laminate that tries to look a lot like wood |
| 20:53.15 | Captnoord | as you see that instantly |
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| 20:58.02 | dcordes | chamonix, I'm about to. I sent a long letter on the problem and they replied with one line text |
| 20:58.40 | dcordes | sorry but in the current contract the data volume can't be changed |
| 20:58.42 | dcordes | something like that |
| 20:59.53 | dcordes | asshats |
| 21:00.28 | chamonix | I don't like t-com but I'll go t-mobile anyway because it's the only offer covering my requirements |
| 21:00.58 | dcordes | are you in the us and a? |
| 21:01.05 | chamonix | nope, germany |
| 21:02.00 | dcordes | got super flat? |
| 21:02.05 | dcordes | i.e. had |
| 21:02.17 | chamonix | yes |
| 21:02.34 | chamonix | with crappy bandwidth downgrade when limit was reached |
| 21:02.46 | dcordes | for how long if I may ask |
| 21:03.05 | chamonix | superflat for 4 years, with data added about a year ago |
| 21:03.10 | dcordes | I've got it since like nov09 and I'm wondering if 1gig was form the beginning |
| 21:03.18 | chamonix | no |
| 21:03.35 | dcordes | they changed it end 2009 right? |
| 21:03.41 | chamonix | I added data flat in december without limit |
| 21:03.46 | dcordes | I see |
| 21:03.57 | dcordes | that 30 euro package? |
| 21:04.10 | chamonix | yes |
| 21:04.57 | chamonix | the only limitation is the "fair" downgrade of abndwidth |
| 21:05.04 | chamonix | wtf |
| 21:05.11 | chamonix | how's that fair? |
| 21:05.23 | dcordes | sie können weiterhin das mobile internet nutzen |
| 21:05.36 | chamonix | aber? |
| 21:05.40 | dcordes | I guess enough people live with it |
| 21:06.27 | dcordes | but if they won't get me back to the old tariff I'm out |
| 21:06.28 | chamonix | I don't understant the model.... millions of ppl use hight bandwidth for 10 days in the month and after that they have no traffic anymore because of the limitation |
| 21:06.43 | dcordes | haha 10 days.. I got 2 sims |
| 21:06.47 | dcordes | one in the leo, one in the notbeook |
| 21:06.52 | chamonix | my suggestion: cancel.... they'll get back to you with an offer |
| 21:07.20 | dcordes | well I told you. as of now they have gotten back to me with one line text fuck off |
| 21:07.31 | chamonix | I got 60 minutes included for free to call other german cell carriers last time I canceled and I was dumb enuff to take the cancellation back |
| 21:07.34 | dcordes | I will have to write another love letter |
| 21:08.06 | chamonix | don't complain, cancel and wait.... they'll call u with ppl allowed to make offers |
| 21:08.41 | dcordes | how many months did you have left when you tried that? |
| 21:08.42 | chamonix | complaints are processed by a dept who is not empowered to make offers |
| 21:08.46 | chamonix | cancellation dept is |
| 21:09.00 | chamonix | depends on when ur contract ends |
| 21:09.09 | dcordes | hm yes the person on the phone support gave me that pointer |
| 21:09.14 | chamonix | it's 24 month most of the time |
| 21:09.50 | Captnoord | hmmmm |
| 21:09.53 | chamonix | but u can cancel early, they'll get back to u fast even if you have a year left |
| 21:09.58 | Captnoord | sdcc power is mainly managed by gpio shit |
| 21:09.59 | Captnoord | hmmmm |
| 21:10.00 | Captnoord | :S |
| 21:10.28 | dcordes | but it's a good idea. I will write letter that in respons to the 1 line reply I received I feel like there is no customer support and I want to exit directly |
| 21:10.52 | dcordes | Captnoord, how's it done in the google kernel? |
| 21:10.54 | chamonix | don't forget to ask them to confirm the date |
| 21:11.08 | dcordes | chamonix, what date do you mean? |
| 21:11.15 | dcordes | chamonix, end of the contract? |
| 21:11.21 | chamonix | the date when ur contract expires |
| 21:11.25 | chamonix | exactly |
| 21:11.45 | dcordes | why would I wanna mention that? |
| 21:11.52 | chamonix | in case they keep on billing u u need to have the date in written form |
| 21:12.12 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.29 | chamonix | right |
| 21:12.50 | Captnoord | dcordes: by vreg switching |
| 21:12.54 | Captnoord | but all we have is on/off |
| 21:13.02 | Captnoord | they have set vreg to this level |
| 21:13.16 | chamonix | hier mit kuendige ich mein vertrag xyz zum fruestmoeglichen termin, mit der bitte um bestaetitung des ablaufdatums |
| 21:13.39 | Captnoord | in the wince core its done by config the gpio |
| 21:13.50 | chamonix | I got a reply within 10 days |
| 21:14.50 | Captnoord | dcordes: but I expect its possible to implement a smem version of vreg |
| 21:14.53 | Captnoord | of some sort |
| 21:14.56 | dcordes | thanks mate I will send this tomororw! |
| 21:15.59 | chamonix | ur welcome |
| 21:16.41 | dcordes | Captnoord, is this also affecting wifi power consumption or only mmc ? |
| 21:16.50 | chamonix | in the confirmation letter they offered me some trivial advantages and told me they'd contact me to talk about a way to keep me as a customer |
| 21:17.55 | Captnoord | dcordes: yup |
| 21:18.02 | Captnoord | wifi == mmc |
| 21:18.09 | Captnoord | besides that |
| 21:18.10 | chamonix | dcordes: do u know if t-com provide 3G IPs without NAT? |
| 21:18.19 | Captnoord | we haven't ported the way the wifi consumption is managed |
| 21:18.30 | Captnoord | s/ported/implemented |
| 21:21.47 | dcordes | chamonix, no clue. do you know volume.d2gprs.de ? |
| 21:22.06 | dcordes | chamonix, using this apn will get you rid of the compression |
| 21:23.00 | dcordes | Captnoord, hm thanks yes I know. I've been wondering if the wifi might have some extra PM |
| 21:23.10 | dcordes | Captnoord, one pm level above sdccc so to speak |
| 21:23.42 | Captnoord | I think we should implement the vreg shit manualy |
| 21:23.51 | Captnoord | as we don't have the proc_comm support |
| 21:23.57 | Captnoord | in linux kernel |
| 21:24.06 | Captnoord | I also dono how the hardware reacts to it |
| 21:24.10 | Captnoord | but thats something different |
| 21:25.36 | dcordes | bubbles with 30ml of soy sauce |
| 21:25.54 | dcordes | ahhhh nothing better than fresh breath |
| 21:26.15 | Captnoord | uses a airco for that |
| 21:28.05 | dcordes | GNUtoo, ping |
| 21:28.23 | dcordes | Captnoord, maybe ask phh about it |
| 21:28.36 | dcordes | Captnoord, I only just started learning how operating systems work |
| 21:28.42 | [acl] | quick question... what is left to do to implement hardware 3d on the rhod? |
| 21:28.50 | dcordes | Captnoord, together with my friend Andrew S. Tanenbaum |
| 21:29.21 | Captnoord | dcordes: I have absolutely no clue what so ever how a OS works |
| 21:29.22 | Captnoord | nah |
| 21:29.23 | Captnoord | kinda |
| 21:29.30 | Captnoord | all I see is generic software |
| 21:29.34 | Captnoord | I don't see a kernel |
| 21:30.09 | dcordes | Captnoord, hm yes of course.. but this book is awesome. it also assumes that what you said in hte very beginning |
| 21:30.33 | Captnoord | ? |
| 21:30.46 | Captnoord | about me not having a clue how a os works |
| 21:30.46 | Captnoord | or |
| 21:30.50 | dcordes | yes |
| 21:30.54 | dcordes | in a way |
| 21:31.05 | Captnoord | like |
| 21:31.09 | Captnoord | there isn't such thing as a OS |
| 21:31.12 | dcordes | that it's all just programs ^^ |
| 21:31.19 | Captnoord | k |
| 21:31.30 | dcordes | I got this in the first place to understand how all the memory addressing works etc |
| 21:31.47 | dcordes | highly recommended |
| 21:32.00 | Captnoord | maybe... but not now |
| 21:32.09 | Captnoord | I just finished my exam last week |
| 21:32.16 | Captnoord | and am not in the mood to read... |
| 21:32.17 | Captnoord | :P |
| 21:32.24 | dcordes | first book about computer science I ever openned |
| 21:32.30 | stinebd | are we up to 3 weeks on battery yet? |
| 21:32.33 | dcordes | the final one? |
| 21:32.44 | Captnoord | stinebd: almost |
| 21:32.58 | Captnoord | just doubled the battery life |
| 21:33.03 | stinebd | zomg |
| 21:33.13 | stinebd | by buying an extra large battery? |
| 21:33.21 | Captnoord | nope |
| 21:33.30 | stinebd | meh |
| 21:33.33 | Captnoord | by reverting the mmc patch I did some time ago |
| 21:33.43 | stinebd | doubled? |
| 21:33.48 | Captnoord | yea |
| 21:33.54 | Captnoord | I can measure it |
| 21:34.26 | Captnoord | I will take a picture of my DIY setup |
| 21:34.28 | Captnoord | lol |
| 21:34.31 | Captnoord | its so ugly |
| 21:34.54 | IceBone | http://www.cracked.com/article_18377_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-apple_p1.html |
| 21:35.26 | dcordes | whats appel |
| 21:41.17 | mickey|bbiab | dcordes: ping |
| 21:41.48 | chamonix | Captnoord: testing since 1 hour, more tomorrow evening |
| 21:42.41 | Captnoord | gonna test it all night long |
| 21:42.44 | Captnoord | now charging |
| 21:43.55 | dcordes | mickeyl, pong |
| 21:44.05 | mickeyl | dcordes: haven't seen cr2 here for a while; we are struggling with BT and GPS atm. and I wonder whether he has some more ideas |
| 21:44.12 | mickeyl | or you |
| 21:45.16 | dcordes | regarding gps I know that- once activated - it's a normal character device with nmea stream |
| 21:45.20 | dcordes | smd27 |
| 21:45.23 | dcordes | normally iirc |
| 21:45.26 | mickeyl | yes |
| 21:45.30 | mickeyl | the once activated is our problem |
| 21:45.59 | dcordes | Captnoord, do you have gps working? |
| 21:46.15 | Captnoord | nope |
| 21:46.21 | Captnoord | its not a prio for me |
| 21:46.25 | dcordes | why, what's the big problem? |
| 21:46.34 | dcordes | if it was easy others would have done it already |
| 21:46.35 | Captnoord | if the phone doesn't live long |
| 21:46.36 | Captnoord | :P |
| 21:46.51 | Captnoord | need the phone to be power effective before I will try gps |
| 21:47.16 | dcordes | mickeyl, did you ask phh about it? |
| 21:47.21 | mickeyl | yes |
| 21:47.39 | dcordes | Captnoord, do you know any msm7kA device with wince amss that has working gps? |
| 21:47.45 | Captnoord | nope |
| 21:47.57 | dcordes | there are msm7k (non-A) that have it |
| 21:48.09 | dcordes | mickeyl, I will püont oyu to the source |
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| 21:48.48 | Captnoord | dcordes: when the phone is lasting about the same as on wince build.... I will focus on gps |
| 21:48.52 | Captnoord | as I want it to |
| 21:49.15 | mickeyl | suspend resume is also something i'm looking out for |
| 21:49.17 | mickeyl | err |
| 21:49.19 | mickeyl | suspend reason, that is |
| 21:49.47 | dcordes | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Kernel#Kernel_for_QCT_MSM7xxx_.28non-A.29_based_devices |
| 21:50.00 | dcordes | mickeyl, http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-msm/board-kaiser-gps.c;hb=refs/heads/htc-vogue direct link |
| 21:50.33 | mickeyl | hmm, fun |
| 21:50.39 | mickeyl | ok, way beyond my depth |
| 21:50.48 | mickeyl | i must keep on nagging then |
| 21:50.52 | dcordes | this is how it is done on the non-A devices with the wince amss |
| 21:51.24 | dcordes | if you look at the includes you will see it uses proc_comm |
| 21:51.28 | dcordes | rpc |
| 21:51.48 | mickeyl | yes, very ugly |
| 21:52.02 | mickeyl | why can't it be exposed via a sysfs node or ioctl |
| 21:52.04 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 21:52.06 | Captnoord | hmmm.... |
| 21:52.24 | dcordes | mickeyl, well it is a character devices as I said |
| 21:52.32 | Captnoord | I really think its logical that vregs are done trough proc_comm.... mainly to make sure 'users' won't fuck with oit |
| 21:52.32 | Captnoord | it |
| 21:52.37 | mickeyl | dcordes: not power control |
| 21:52.42 | Captnoord | as it has the potentional to burn phones |
| 21:52.51 | mickeyl | well |
| 21:52.59 | mickeyl | that's why sysfs or an ioctl would be it |
| 21:53.05 | mickeyl | have a toggle somewhere |
| 21:53.06 | dcordes | mickeyl, but as you know I'm not the coding god either so this is all hint I can provide.. and mostl ikely it's done in a total different way on the dream |
| 21:53.08 | mickeyl | and let the kernel do it |
| 21:53.35 | mickeyl | and these days it would probably be exported via the regulator or gpio interfaces |
| 21:53.41 | dcordes | in android all the gps libs are binary right? |
| 21:53.46 | mickeyl | sure thing |
| 21:54.06 | dcordes | and the msm7kA guys don't have it working either according to captn' |
| 21:54.13 | dcordes | so that's the only source you have |
| 21:54.30 | dcordes | so what did phh tell you about dream gps ? |
| 21:54.41 | mickeyl | that he has no idea :) |
| 21:55.09 | mickeyl | other than that it's probably be done via RPC |
| 21:55.22 | mickeyl | and then there are all the at commands that just hang the system |
| 21:55.31 | mickeyl | tried those |
| 21:55.45 | mickeyl | without any effect |
| 21:56.07 | mickeyl | @foogps |
| 21:56.20 | dcordes | iirc there was a verry similar problem on the kaiser (way before they put that linked driver) |
| 21:56.36 | dcordes | any gps at commands would just freeze |
| 21:56.52 | dcordes | so this maybe a hint that not much changed |
| 21:57.25 | dcordes | but since this conversation is leading nowhere I'll also suggest to wait for cr2 |
| 21:57.31 | mickeyl | ok |
| 21:57.31 | dcordes | I'm sure he can help |
| 21:57.41 | mickeyl | any idea about BT or resume reason? |
| 21:57.50 | dcordes | and regarding bt it's not that critical imo |
| 21:58.03 | dcordes | do you have everything working except for the two in OE now ? |
| 21:58.15 | dcordes | resume? |
| 21:58.32 | dcordes | thought that problem's gone |
| 21:58.37 | mickeyl | resume reason |
| 21:58.40 | mickeyl | suspend/resume is ok |
| 21:59.05 | mickeyl | yes, we pretty much have the big showstoppers ironed out. that's why now things like GPS, BT, and Cam would be on topic |
| 21:59.29 | mickeyl | oh and compass / accelerometer |
| 21:59.31 | mickeyl | at least for me everything else works acceptable |
| 21:59.49 | dcordes | ok so do you have some usable images ? |
| 21:59.57 | dcordes | that don't need to be hacked for three hours uzntil you can make a call? |
| 22:00.16 | mickeyl | images... tss... |
| 22:00.22 | mickeyl | now you sound like ROM swappers :D |
| 22:00.45 | mickeyl | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/releases/fso2-preview-1/htcdream/ may be worth a try |
| 22:00.47 | dcordes | why not. let's drop the non-android phone software for dream bomb |
| 22:01.24 | dcordes | april 13th? does it have the resume fixed kernel already? |
| 22:01.47 | mickeyl | not sure |
| 22:02.14 | dcordes | I think it was discovered after that date |
| 22:02.29 | dcordes | also reagarding the quick instructions, do you need to root the device before? |
| 22:02.41 | mickeyl | i guess so |
| 22:02.54 | mickeyl | at least my g1 didn't want to fastboot |
| 22:03.01 | mickeyl | so you have to do all the crazy dances |
| 22:03.04 | mickeyl | to jailbreak it |
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| 22:03.13 | dcordes | so maybe update kernel and add that link |
| 22:03.18 | mickeyl | never did it though |
| 22:03.22 | dcordes | then we can spam xda etc with it |
| 22:03.27 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:03.37 | mickeyl | i doubt that the xda world is the right environment for that |
| 22:03.39 | mickeyl | but if you think so |
| 22:04.02 | mickeyl | i need resume reason beforehand though |
| 22:04.09 | mickeyl | otherwise it wakes up on every key |
| 22:04.14 | mickeyl | and more |
| 22:04.39 | mickeyl | basically i need to know how to configure the wakeup sources (if at all customizable) and how to get the reason for resume |
| 22:04.43 | dcordes | I think it's important to show people what abilities they have with the (pseudo free) software |
| 22:04.52 | dcordes | they got with their phones |
| 22:04.57 | mickeyl | well |
| 22:05.01 | mickeyl | they will be massively disappointed |
| 22:05.02 | mickeyl | :D |
| 22:05.07 | mickeyl | as I'm concentrating on middleware |
| 22:05.14 | mickeyl | and hardly anyone will be excited by a dbus interface |
| 22:06.21 | mickeyl | but oh well... if we win two or three people, we would double the amount of folks working on it ;) |
| 22:06.22 | mickeyl | every device has its own showstoppers btw. |
| 22:06.22 | mickeyl | palm pre is giving us a hard time with the touchscreen |
| 22:06.34 | dcordes | that's what makes it fun |
| 22:06.37 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:06.42 | mickeyl | for some definitions of fun, yeah ;) |
| 22:06.51 | dcordes | so if you want to add more developers you should show there is something to develop, |
| 22:07.10 | dcordes | right now hardly anyone knows there is dream support added in OE |
| 22:08.02 | mickeyl | "multi"touch works fine on the synaptecs panel, btw. |
| 22:08.20 | dcordes | what device |
| 22:08.25 | mickeyl | dream |
| 22:08.31 | mickeyl | just need to enhance some bits in tslib and apps, of course, to make them aware |
| 22:08.32 | dcordes | that's nice |
| 22:08.48 | dcordes | lol sweet kaiser |
| 22:08.51 | dcordes | takes so long to boot |
| 22:09.02 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:09.12 | mickeyl | has 10 seconds until PIN dialogue |
| 22:09.28 | dcordes | wow |
| 22:09.28 | mickeyl | can probably improve that |
| 22:09.35 | mickeyl | but it's nice already |
| 22:09.41 | mickeyl | compared to android 1.0 that's on the deivce |
| 22:09.44 | dcordes | see so you have something to offer |
| 22:10.05 | dcordes | and anybody being used to normal linux env will live with some downsides maybe |
| 22:10.11 | dcordes | and be willing to help improving stuff |
| 22:10.23 | mickeyl | yeah, i will finish the SMS UI and add something to show off data connectivity, then it's time for the big bang |
| 22:12.19 | dcordes | good then let's waiot for that and let me know |
| 22:13.06 | mickeyl | ok |
| 22:13.29 | mickeyl | meanwhile lets see whether the kernel h4xors come up with any more lowlevel things |
| 22:13.41 | mickeyl | goes back in the safe middleware comfort zone |
| 22:13.55 | dcordes | heh ok |
| 22:14.03 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:14.08 | dcordes | I'm also logging off for the evening |
| 22:14.16 | mickeyl | okies, g'night |
| 22:14.17 | dcordes | ttyl |
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| 22:25.11 | gso | chamonix: weee! booting |
| 22:28.09 | gso | oh noes... the backlight just went off :( |
| 22:40.11 | Captnoord | last test with diamonds panel code.... |
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| 22:44.27 | Captnoord | hmmmm |
| 22:44.28 | Captnoord | strange |
| 22:44.42 | Captnoord | diamonds panel code with the working suspend seem to use more power |
| 22:44.43 | Captnoord | :S |
| 22:52.43 | ToAsTcfh | Captnoord: !!!! what up |
| 22:53.15 | ToAsTcfh | i know its not that exciting but still.... |
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| 22:53.54 | Captnoord | hmmmm |
| 22:53.56 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 22:54.04 | Captnoord | I tought I had a breaktrough.... |
| 22:54.05 | Captnoord | but I didn't |
| 22:54.06 | Captnoord | :S |
| 22:54.09 | ToAsTcfh | lol |
| 22:54.17 | ToAsTcfh | always gotta love thatt |
| 22:54.25 | ToAsTcfh | well im back on camera |
| 22:54.32 | ToAsTcfh | friggin pain |
| 22:55.02 | ToAsTcfh | we got a board-camerasensor.c :/ |
| 22:55.06 | ToAsTcfh | nexus doesnt |
| 22:55.16 | Captnoord | hmmmm |
| 22:55.18 | ToAsTcfh | same came though |
| 22:55.21 | ToAsTcfh | cam |
| 22:55.23 | tmzt_ | you porting 2.1? |
| 22:55.48 | ToAsTcfh | im porting camera to .27 from .29 |
| 22:56.23 | ToAsTcfh | Captnoord: bah thats right u suggested using .31 |
| 22:56.34 | ToAsTcfh | whats the difference? |
| 22:56.45 | ToAsTcfh | i mean ehats gonna make it easier |
| 22:56.49 | ToAsTcfh | :P |
| 22:57.18 | Captnoord | lol |
| 22:57.27 | Captnoord | I haven't got fb_console working on .31 |
| 22:57.30 | Captnoord | .32 |
| 22:57.53 | Captnoord | ToAsTcfh: don't wait for me |
| 22:57.56 | Captnoord | never do that |
| 22:58.02 | Captnoord | just do your port |
| 22:58.14 | Captnoord | its better to have a working something as a reference |
| 22:58.17 | ToAsTcfh | oh ur saying forward port the whole kernel |
| 22:58.19 | Captnoord | then non at all |
| 22:58.30 | Captnoord | I say you get the cam working |
| 22:58.32 | Captnoord | in the mean while |
| 22:58.40 | Captnoord | I try to get the .32 kernel working |
| 22:58.52 | Captnoord | and we port it all to .32 |
| 22:58.56 | Captnoord | and we'r all happy |
| 22:59.02 | ToAsTcfh | yeah but having a board camera is a bitch |
| 22:59.03 | Captnoord | living long and happy |
| 23:00.41 | ToAsTcfh | bah im gonna shoot to make my board-heroc.c like the nexus when it comes to camera. then fight with includes and make files for a bit. doing the other way isnt working. its fucking up the new vfe_int |
| 23:02.04 | ToAsTcfh | although where it is now its actually half ass working. im just not getting the camera files on sys like i should |
| 23:02.22 | Captnoord | hmmmm |
| 23:02.26 | Captnoord | I should hit the bed |
| 23:02.28 | Captnoord | bigtime |
| 23:02.31 | ToAsTcfh | lol |
| 23:02.34 | ToAsTcfh | peace |
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