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| 05:47.13 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 05:47.17 | lkthomas | anyone using HTC Hermes ? |
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| 08:51.15 | fury | is anyone still working on the universals? |
| 08:52.28 | lkthomas | haha |
| 08:52.31 | lkthomas | it's an old machine |
| 08:53.39 | lkthomas | universal does not have 3G feature as well |
| 08:53.53 | fury | yeah i figured, never hurts to ask though :) |
| 08:54.22 | fury | i just started reading up on the project today really.. |
| 08:54.59 | lkthomas | I am planning to give up my XDA II and buying HTC Tytn |
| 08:55.12 | lkthomas | it's even older than yours |
| 08:55.47 | lkthomas | fury: do you know if there will have any software compatible problem if the device isn't using intel CPU ? |
| 08:56.34 | fury | all htc is arm correct? |
| 08:58.25 | fury | haret just runs on top of ce right? |
| 08:58.52 | lkthomas | well |
| 08:58.58 | lkthomas | some of them are using Samsung CPU |
| 08:59.05 | lkthomas | not all of them are made by intel |
| 08:59.30 | fury | ah ok i didnt know. |
| 08:59.44 | fury | so haret is a bootloader that runs from ce right? |
| 09:00.00 | fury | it dosnt warm boot the device into linux or anything does it? |
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| 09:00.58 | lkthomas | don't know |
| 09:03.25 | fury | yeah looks like it... damn :( |
| 09:03.25 | lkthomas | fury: hmm |
| 09:03.26 | fury | i was hoping to get some linux audio programs up and running doubt thats realistic. |
| 09:04.09 | fury | they did manage to find the jtag points on the universal thouhg |
| 09:04.33 | fury | i would assume from that someone could put together a real dual boot enviroment |
| 09:06.28 | lkthomas | not sure |
| 09:06.52 | fury | what htc handheld has had the most progress? |
| 09:07.23 | lkthomas | XDA II |
| 09:07.26 | lkthomas | nothing else |
| 09:07.59 | fury | Himalaya? |
| 09:08.28 | fury | ah found the list. |
| 09:11.40 | fury | well it seems the universal was almost all the way there |
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| 09:55.17 | cr2_ | lkthomas: why do you think universal doesn't support UMTS ? |
| 09:56.13 | cr2_ | fury: universal is the most advanced port, blueangel is somewhere close. |
| 09:57.01 | cr2_ | himalaya is very similar to the blueangel, but it needs some more minor coding to match the current state of blueangel. |
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| 10:10.59 | lkthomas | Himalaya bluetooth stack sucks |
| 10:14.36 | cr2_ | afair linux will not help you. |
| 10:15.01 | cr2_ | because BT is on the UART of ASIC5 |
| 10:15.13 | cr2_ | which is not very well documented ;-) |
| 10:16.08 | sameo | cr2_: btw, does anyone has some sort of spec for asic3 or asic5 ? |
| 10:17.49 | cr2_ | sameo: of course not. but i've tried to gather everything known about asic3 (very good data indeed) and asic5 (not very good) in the xda-dev wiki. |
| 10:18.01 | cr2_ | i'm looking for the link. |
| 10:18.42 | cr2_ | it's 95% of RE data |
| 10:18.55 | sameo | cr2_: do we know if it's an HTC or a Compaq chip ? |
| 10:19.22 | cr2_ | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ASIC3 |
| 10:20.20 | cr2_ | it was produced by Toshiba (the SD(IO) part comes from Toshiba anyway) for HTC, which was a contractor for CPQ/HP. |
| 10:21.54 | sameo | cr2_: interesting...I've always wondered why so many of the Universal functions are on the asic3 when it could simply use the pxa270 modules... |
| 10:23.01 | cr2_ | HTC does not spare on the hardware side :) |
| 10:23.44 | cr2_ | and you don't want to overload the main CPU on a good device. |
| 10:23.47 | sameo | cr2_: :-) |
| 10:24.35 | sameo | cr2_: overload the CPU ? we're talking about a 500 Mhz xpa270 :-) |
| 10:25.57 | cr2_ | overload with tasks. the VGA on pxafb is already a huge internal CPU bandwidth waste ;-) |
| 10:26.13 | cr2_ | good phones use ATI chip for that... |
| 10:26.23 | cr2_ | himalaya,blueangel,hermes,athena. |
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| 12:45.57 | salvador | ayuda, como le hago para instalar xanadux en un apache ppc 6700 |
| 12:47.47 | sadeness | O_O |
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| 12:52.07 | BabelO | ~x en sp salvador : you can take a look here http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApacheLinux |
| 12:52.20 | BabelO | ;) |
| 12:52.21 | BabelO | lol |
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| 13:37.52 | BabelO | hi kiozen |
| 13:38.01 | BabelO | long time |
| 13:38.29 | kiozen | loads to do... first free hour for weeks :) |
| 13:39.37 | BabelO | kiozen : do you now if there is a possibility to load some map to garmin nuvi200 ? |
| 13:40.32 | kiozen | afaik they use fixed builtin maps |
| 13:40.44 | kiozen | that's why they are cheap :) |
| 13:42.03 | BabelO | ok |
| 13:43.11 | kiozen | hm, garmin's webpage offers CN for the nuvi |
| 13:43.52 | kiozen | ah they use maps on SD ram |
| 13:45.12 | kiozen | thus you can place gmapsupp.img directly on the SD ram. |
| 13:46.04 | kiozen | the nuvi200DACH even has USB |
| 13:46.16 | kiozen | might work with QLandkarte |
| 13:51.13 | BabelO | good, i will try soon, my father have one |
| 13:55.02 | cr2_ | hi guys |
| 13:55.18 | BabelO | hi cr2_ |
| 13:55.21 | cr2_ | kiozen: isn't that nüvi requires routable maps ? |
| 13:55.44 | cr2_ | BabelO: hi |
| 13:56.16 | kiozen | cr2_ : i always thought they are built in, but |
| 13:56.36 | kiozen | their webpage gives me another impression. |
| 13:59.41 | cr2_ | i was told that it's so, so it's necessary to use the appropriate version of cgpsmapper. |
| 13:59.56 | cr2_ | but i've not tried it myself. |
| 14:00.25 | cr2_ | it's a pity we don't know the NOD/NET internals :( |
| 14:02.02 | cr2_ | evil 76cx has eaten about 1mb of my gpx track, so i'm left with the internally saved sparse copy... |
| 14:02.39 | kiozen | cr2_: GPSMapEdit knows how to read NOD/NET anyone good at |
| 14:03.08 | kiozen | social engineering to persuade the author to share his knowledege :) |
| 14:03.43 | cr2_ | are you sure it can? |
| 14:04.32 | kiozen | Never tried, but some people on geocaching.com say it does |
| 14:05.08 | cr2_ | afaik it can't. |
| 14:05.18 | cr2_ | show me an example :-) |
| 14:06.41 | kiozen | try to find the post .. |
| 14:24.49 | kiozen | cr2_: looks like GPSMapEdit is able to edit/add routing information and cGPSMapper will produce routable maps |
| 14:25.08 | kiozen | however no clear evidence to read routable maps :( |
| 14:34.35 | cr2_ | kiozen: i can edit/add routing information in vi :) |
| 14:36.58 | kiozen | :) ok |
| 14:38.59 | cr2_ | if i'll install the personal cgpsmapper version, i need to create many primitive maps to check for the data layout changes. was it limited by one month ? |
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| 15:47.58 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 15:48.05 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO |
| 15:48.43 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i made some test with BA, but need to create a specific class for ba modem, so i test it later, i ve to finish my project before |
| 15:48.53 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 15:56.42 | cr2_ | BabelO: you still have a ba ? :) |
| 15:57.04 | BabelO | cr2_: yes BA + artemis + gp + sony clie T675C ... |
| 15:59.19 | cr2_ | gp? |
| 15:59.31 | BabelO | cr2_: and as many card SD card, micro SD, mini SD, MMC .. lol |
| 15:59.38 | BabelO | cr2_: gp -> greenphone |
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| 16:00.10 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 16:00.21 | dcordes | hi |
| 16:01.00 | BabelO | cr2_ : soyou think we can handle double touch on our touchscreen ? like iphone do |
| 16:01.32 | BabelO | s/soyou/do you/ |
| 16:05.10 | dcordes | BabelO: all you need is mpx (multi point X), non? |
| 16:06.55 | BabelO | dcordes : i ve have to test what is touchscreen return if we press two point at same time, if point are at same X or y coord, not sure about result |
| 16:09.44 | dcordes | me posseseth finest herb |
| 16:10.01 | dcordes | sry wrong term |
| 16:10.16 | dcordes | BabelO: http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ take a look |
| 16:10.53 | BabelO | dcordes : thanks, i see that openmoko have this possibility with gta2 |
| 16:11.46 | dcordes | BabelO: really? where did you see that? |
| 16:17.00 | BabelO | dcordes : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison |
| 16:21.03 | dcordes | BabelO: there's no change in the display hardware |
| 16:21.05 | dcordes | afaik |
| 16:22.22 | BabelO | i just read maybe multitouch panel |
| 16:22.31 | cr2_ | BabelO: i'll be happy if the omap850 ts spi port will work in normal mode :) |
| 16:22.46 | cr2_ | let's try to find its location. |
| 16:23.30 | dcordes | Does the wizard touchscreen work at all yet? |
| 16:23.38 | dcordes | Okias told me it wouldn't |
| 16:23.40 | BabelO | cr2_ : yes sure, i ve to go to home, we can take a look |
| 16:24.12 | BabelO | cr2_ : and other funcitonnality too, radio and gps ;) |
| 16:24.38 | dcordes | BabelO: you talking about wizard hardware? |
| 16:25.08 | cr2_ | radio is just an i2c controlled chip, i guess. |
| 16:25.24 | cr2_ | do you know the chip name ? |
| 16:25.30 | BabelO | cr2_ : yes think too, there is one in kernel source a TEA something ;) |
| 16:25.49 | cr2_ | then it's easy once you have i2c working. |
| 16:25.58 | cr2_ | and omap i2c is working afaik. |
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| 16:34.23 | cr2_ | hi pH5 |
| 16:35.12 | pH5 | hej cr2_ |
| 16:35.35 | psokolovsky | Hi! |
| 16:36.05 | pH5 | hej psokolovsky! |
| 16:36.26 | psokolovsky | pH5, cr2_: FYI, we're moving with project of merging hackndev patches to hh.org tree. The timeframe is 2 weeks. That means that any mainline upgrades are on hold before that. |
| 16:37.30 | cr2_ | hi psokolovsky |
| 16:37.40 | cr2_ | i've not compiled the kernel for a long time anyway |
| 16:38.09 | psokolovsky | cr2_: CI system compiles it on any change ;-) |
| 16:38.38 | cr2_ | :) ok |
| 16:38.58 | cr2_ | does it generate the initrd too ? |
| 16:41.10 | pH5 | psokolovsky: ok. |
| 16:41.54 | psokolovsky | cr2_: nope, but I'm in process of setting CI for OE builds too |
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| 16:42.59 | cr2_ | psokolovsky: sounds very good. |
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| 16:44.57 | sameo_ | psokolovsky: what's CI ? some sort of build bot ? |
| 16:45.17 | psokolovsky | yep, continuous integration |
| 16:45.30 | sameo_ | ah, ok... |
| 16:46.29 | sameo_ | psokolovsky: a quick question about asic3... Any particular reason why you stopped your kernel upstream integration effort ? |
| 16:46.43 | sameo_ | psokolovsky: e.g. http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/1/48 |
| 16:46.50 | psokolovsky | sameo_: no time... |
| 16:47.15 | sameo_ | psokolovsky: all right. |
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| 16:53.54 | dcordes_ | where can I get most recent patch for wizard kernel? |
| 16:55.29 | cr2_ | pH5: what is ICR port on omap850 ? |
| 16:57.42 | pH5 | port? 0xfffbb800, irq ih1-4 |
| 16:58.45 | cr2_ | ah, ok. |
| 17:04.59 | dcordes_ | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCWizard?action=refresh&arena=Page.py&key=HTCWizard.text_html <- is that up to date? |
| 17:19.44 | sameo_ | psokolovsky: I'm looking at the asic3 code on hh.org CVS, and you're registering the asic3 clocks but I don't see where you're enabling them... |
| 17:20.30 | psokolovsky | sameo_: specific drivers should enable clocks, see ds1wm for example |
| 17:22.38 | sameo_ | psokolovsky: yeah, I know...I was looking at the wrong driver. |
| 17:22.41 | sameo_ | psokolovsky: thanks |
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| 17:36.27 | BabelO | back |
| 17:36.30 | dcordes | hey |
| 17:36.43 | BabelO | network shutdown at office :( |
| 17:36.58 | dcordes | didst thou take a look at mpx? |
| 17:40.22 | BabelO | dcordes: yes, just a little, interesting |
| 17:41.14 | BabelO | cr2_: any idea how can we proceed to find good spi channel ? |
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| 18:52.09 | cr2_ | BabelO: documenting all 0xfffxxxxx pages, and looking for the undocumented ? |
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| 19:16.52 | BabelO | cr2_: ok, i ll look at muru patch for register |
| 19:20.59 | cr2_ | BabelO: a lot should be knowm for omap730 |
| 19:32.45 | BabelO | cr2_: yes, and clock too, they are motly the same, but are missing in clock.h |
| 19:34.12 | cr2_ | you can easily see the differences from the diagrams on TI site |
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| 19:54.07 | BabelO | cr2_: ok so we have already some known clock |
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| 20:10.20 | cr2_ | BabelO: can you reuse this page and create one for omap850 ? |
| 20:10.23 | cr2_ | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=60Cx_registers |
| 20:11.57 | BabelO | cr yes |
| 20:12.42 | cr2_ | i've created this page my listing all registers referenced by the device firmware. actually it#s a pure guesswork. |
| 20:12.54 | cr2_ | omap730 should be much better. |
| 20:13.16 | cr2_ | there is a x-load source and also kernel support for several devices |
| 20:13.18 | BabelO | cr yesx omap |
| 20:13.29 | BabelO | oups num/lock ;) |
| 20:13.48 | cr2_ | is the kernel source for this swiss phone available ? |
| 20:13.54 | cr2_ | hmm. what was the name... |
| 20:14.02 | BabelO | there is a lot of information for 16x and 17x in muru patch |
| 20:14.03 | cr2_ | imcosys of something like that. |
| 20:14.13 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 20:14.42 | cr2_ | http://www.imcosys.com/shop/pi1/pd1.html |
| 20:16.45 | BabelO | cr2_: nice |
| 20:17.03 | cr2_ | hehe. sdk with access protection. what about the kernel source ? |
| 20:18.59 | cr2_ | http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/gsmgpspda/PDA/imcosys-gps-gsm-sujet_820_1.htm |
| 20:21.32 | BabelO | i ll download flash image ;) |
| 20:21.46 | cr2_ | it starts with the x-loader |
| 20:22.02 | cr2_ | i think the source of x-loader is at muru.com ? |
| 20:22.48 | BabelO | yes http://linux.omap.com/pub/ |
| 20:23.12 | cr2_ | p2 ? |
| 20:23.43 | cr2_ | http://linux.omap.com/pub/xloader/p2/readme.txt |
| 20:24.00 | cr2_ | i wonder why nobody has relaeased an omap730 datasheet. |
| 20:24.20 | cr2_ | i've looked at some _serious_ forums :-) |
| 20:30.39 | cr2_ | omap730.h |
| 20:31.41 | cr2_ | the names are not very generic, but can be modified. |
| 20:33.43 | cr2_ | i didn#t look at the haret omap code, does it include all the gpio stuff ? |
| 20:33.57 | BabelO | yes there is a gpio stuff in it |
| 20:35.27 | BabelO | cr2_: ftp://invite:invite@82.238.28.28:7145 |
| 20:35.42 | BabelO | cr2_: my ker with patch if you want to look at some file |
| 20:36.34 | cr2_ | do you need EFB_DEBUG ? |
| 20:37.36 | BabelO | cr2_: yes very usefull when i do some mistake, but know it works with omapfb |
| 20:39.57 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 20:40.12 | cr2_ | does your mmc work ? |
| 20:40.29 | BabelO | not with this kernel, with wizard kernel it works |
| 20:40.42 | BabelO | don't understand what i miss |
| 20:41.51 | cr2_ | gpios |
| 20:44.32 | cr2_ | omap730 has .bus_shift for mmc :) |
| 20:44.44 | cr2_ | afair omap850 too |
| 20:45.54 | cr2_ | is the fb sram always at t he same place on omap850 phones ? |
| 20:46.45 | cr2_ | i doubt that the lcd/bl/led gpios are the same as on tornado. are they ? |
| 20:46.59 | BabelO | cr2_: it seem yes i use it, and someone try on prophet |
| 20:47.57 | BabelO | cr2_: not sure about gpio setup , i nerver stop / start lcd, big problem is that kernel freeze after some times |
| 20:49.10 | cr2_ | actually, i'd have started with tracing and documenting gpios. and the cpu registers. |
| 20:49.17 | cr2_ | it's relatively easy. |
| 20:49.56 | cr2_ | pH5 says his mmc gpios are on the cpld. |
| 20:50.06 | BabelO | gpio register are strange i don't understand their macro. on same register there is output / mux / dir |
| 20:50.15 | cr2_ | same ? |
| 20:50.16 | pH5 | cr2_: sram seems to be the same everywhere, 730 and 850 are identical for our purposes. what I'm missing is i2c support to get to the gpios that control mmc, leds, backlight etc. |
| 20:50.38 | cr2_ | is there i2c on other omap1 chips ? |
| 20:50.45 | cr2_ | it should be. |
| 20:50.49 | pH5 | but if BabelO hat mmc working with the wizard kernel, I guess artemis doesn't have the i2c gpio cpld |
| 20:51.22 | cr2_ | pH5: i don't get why do you need i2c for the gpio cpld extender. |
| 20:51.24 | BabelO | pH5: or maybe wizard kernel doen t reset some chipset |
| 20:51.29 | cr2_ | like on magician |
| 20:52.19 | pH5 | cr2_: because that chip is controlled via i2c. |
| 20:52.28 | cr2_ | is it possible to dump and analyze the bootloader ? |
| 20:52.58 | cr2_ | pH5: controlled ? the irqs are acked via i2c ?? |
| 20:53.56 | pH5 | cr2_: not irqs. the output pins are are on i2c registers. |
| 20:54.13 | cr2_ | weird. |
| 20:54.18 | pH5 | s,output,output/input, |
| 20:54.26 | pH5 | the keys have an irq on a cpu gpio |
| 20:55.15 | pH5 | cr2_: it's pretty clear actually, I just need i2c. |
| 20:55.24 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 20:55.27 | pH5 | (which currently hangs up the device when I load the drivers) |
| 20:56.06 | cr2_ | pH5: do you know where to get the imcosys kernel source ? |
| 20:56.07 | pH5 | and right now I don't have any better idea than to disassemble the SPL's i2c functions, for which I don't have the time :( |
| 20:56.20 | pH5 | cr2_: no, I just heard about this device for the first time. |
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