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| 02:46.27 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky / bd2 : Something seems to be wrong with microsd on the apache. It doesn't look to be just a bad sector, so testing is going to take some more time. |
| 02:48.40 | Kevin2 | mmcblk0: error 2 transferring data |
| 02:48.43 | Kevin2 | and then |
| 02:49.04 | Kevin2 | mmcblk0: error 1 sending read/write command |
| 03:01.13 | bd2 | Kevin2, no problem. When Paul will commit ADC stuff, and if it will have any defect in ad7877, I'll gladly assist you with fixing it, if needed. |
| 03:11.29 | Kevin2 | Ughh. second microsd card also fails. It's either a kernel problem or I something on the hardware side isn't right. |
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| 07:32.21 | mndctrl | Except the universal and blueangel, wich of the htc phones with expandable keyboards runs linux most stable these days? |
| 07:32.25 | mndctrl | any of them at all? |
| 07:51.35 | cr2 | mndctrl: hermes still does not work, and athena does not work yet. |
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| 07:59.21 | pH5 | cr2: is there some information about the multiplexer protocol of the blueangel in the wikis? I'm looking for the channel numbers besides 0x16 (at cmd) |
| 08:03.50 | cr2 | pH5: no. afaik only for wallaby |
| 08:04.52 | pH5 | ok |
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| 08:14.26 | psokolovsky | Hi! |
| 08:14.45 | psokolovsky | pH5: I wonder, did you test bd2's adc classdev patches? |
| 08:16.34 | mndctrl | cr2: how about the wizard or apache? |
| 08:16.40 | pH5 | hi psokolovsky! |
| 08:17.01 | pH5 | no, I still need to figure out why the new ts driver doesn't work to get more motivated there. |
| 08:17.08 | pH5 | I'm currently playing with the GSM modem. |
| 08:17.50 | cr2 | mndctrl: apache is a cdma phone, and it does not work. wizard is an omap850 phone, it will be difficult to develop a full-fledged linux installation for it (no CPU docs) |
| 08:18.16 | mndctrl | ah... so that sucks ;) |
| 08:18.42 | mndctrl | so basically your saying: go get a universal? |
| 08:19.23 | psokolovsky | pH5: well, I see TS handling regressions with it. I'm really stumped what to do about them - Anton insist that they are right and should be committed, but they are barely tested by someone but him. Any suggestions? |
| 08:19.29 | cr2 | yes. universal will be the best HTC free software phone for a long time. IM(not very H)O |
| 08:20.05 | mndctrl | hehe... |
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| 08:20.38 | cr2 | i mean, if you need 100% hardware support. |
| 08:21.05 | cr2 | and a modern umts device. |
| 08:21.51 | mndctrl | well I don't, but would be nice to have some hardware working ;) the fact that the wifi is up and running is a real plus... |
| 08:22.05 | mndctrl | cr2: isn't it a bit big to carry around though? |
| 08:22.14 | cr2 | yes, and all the hardware is documented. |
| 08:22.32 | cr2 | it is big. |
| 08:23.19 | mndctrl | hmm... how is work on hermes progressing? |
| 08:24.35 | pH5 | psokolovsky: I'm a bit worried because we have so many structural changes lately and I don't really keep up, currently. What regressions do you see? |
| 08:26.25 | pH5 | psokolovsky: btw, did you see my last mail about defconfigman? |
| 08:26.26 | psokolovsky | pH5: on h4000, TS press causes IRQ loop - infinite, but not causing noticeable performance degrade, and sometimes stoppable by new clicks |
| 08:26.59 | psokolovsky | pH5: yes, thanks much, will process it. just now all cycles take this adc merge ;-( |
| 08:27.00 | cr2 | mndctrl: it's a substantially different CPU, so it's not so easy as i would wish. |
| 08:27.34 | pH5 | psokolovsky: should I test current cvs on hx4700? because on magician ts-adc-debounce is currently unusable anyway. |
| 08:28.14 | cr2 | mndctrl: but the chances are not bad (not talking about the 2mpix cam) |
| 08:28.16 | psokolovsky | pH5: and I'm worried too. My idea was to introduce few new APIs, which were in big need for long time, and STOP introducing new. but yes, we appear to be caught in positive feedback loop - more and more deep changes come |
| 08:29.19 | psokolovsky | pH5: yes, I would appreciate if you test hx4700. But for me it works. h4000 doesn't ;-(. Also, maybe you could try and see what behavior magician will exhibit with it still - would it be even "worse" than before? |
| 08:30.28 | pH5 | psokolovsky: do you see some way to push (maybe half-baked) parts of our current infrastructure to mainline? I fear we might end up in this ond interdependency hell again, if we're not very careful. |
| 08:30.39 | pH5 | s/ond/old/ |
| 08:33.03 | psokolovsky | pH5: actually, that's one of the root of the problem: bd2 seems to got idea that time has come. so, he wants to start pushing something, say h5000. adc classdev appears to be part of this plan, "doing coding right so it was accepted into mainline". and not the last, as I understand |
| 08:33.29 | psokolovsky | Problem, we all have different aims, and this appears to start unconverge |
| 08:33.44 | mndctrl | cr2: alright... tnx for the update ;) I think I'll actually get a universal for now... Try it out... |
| 08:33.49 | psokolovsky | So, I wanted to discuss what to do in such situation |
| 08:35.22 | psokolovsky | pH5: Actually, not CVS. I started to commit Anton's patches, but saw problems and reverted it. Latest set of patches is available from him - he just doesn't want to spam k-d with large repetative patchsets. I guess, I'll forward it to you. |
| 08:35.44 | pH5 | psokolovsky: ah, ok. that'd be great. |
| 08:36.21 | psokolovsky | pH5: sent |
| 08:38.00 | pH5 | psokolovsky: Thanks. What I'd love to see upstream first would be the battery classdev or something similar. but previous discussions on lkml didn't have a real closure and the OLPC guys' api looks a bit different from ours. Any idea how to advance that? |
| 08:39.51 | psokolovsky | pH5: my plan always have been: work on better support for all devices, and on converging them (common drivers). After that, we could show off relatively compact code supporting bunch of machines. |
| 08:41.16 | psokolovsky | pH5: as for mainline, I wouldn't even start with such high-level stuff as battery classdev. There're base stuff like extendable PXA clk API not yet in mainline. Next, SoC base drivers - core of our machine support not in mainline, etc. |
| 08:41.33 | psokolovsky | battery stuff is minor comparing with this |
| 08:42.43 | psokolovsky | - and all above is just illustration that we all think differently and have different priorities. we should somehow think out common plan (in the sense that everyone else knew what you're working on), or we may have bad things like forks, etc |
| 08:47.03 | cr2 | psokolovsky: i doubt there will be forks. you are the only one person really maintaining linux on mainstream pda. and zaurus is evil in many respects. |
| 08:48.31 | pH5 | I just expect that things like the battery api require much more coordination, as there are vastly different machines that have to use it, too (ACPI, ugh) and I don't see us interacting too much with development outside the little ARM/embedded community. |
| 08:48.51 | psokolovsky | cr2: sorry, mistake. I just commit patches from folks who don't have commit access. in other respect I'm just like other devels who has commit access. |
| 08:48.57 | pH5 | I hope things like SoC (once it works) won't be too controversial since we are the only real users. |
| 08:49.33 | pH5 | damn, I should rewrite my CPLD and PASIC3 drivers. |
| 08:49.57 | psokolovsky | cr2: and bd2 is prolific contributor, and it's really his own choice not to request cvs commit. if he'll grow dissatisfied with cvs progress, we'll have another hx2750 |
| 08:50.17 | psokolovsky | in thsi respect, I don't want to be one, who made him make such choice |
| 08:50.30 | cr2 | pH5: other CPLDs are coming, so do it good |
| 08:51.40 | psokolovsky | Ok, so please think what plan *we* have, after all, if any. And I will ask bd2 to post his masterplan first before coding anything controversial. |
| 08:51.54 | cr2 | psokolovsky: bd2 is a very smart guy :) not being able to commit directly forces one to write much better code ;) |
| 08:53.16 | psokolovsky | cr2: possibly. current situation is that his better code adds regressions to machine support. so, what do now? |
| 08:53.39 | cr2 | pH5: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaCPLD1 |
| 08:54.24 | pH5 | cr2: just gpios? |
| 08:54.40 | cr2 | psokolovsky: a hard question. |
| 08:54.43 | pH5 | that's a case for gpiodev :) |
| 08:55.00 | cr2 | pH5: the GPIOA is for acking the irqs. |
| 08:55.30 | cr2 | it's empty for now. there is a chained irq on the PXA. |
| 08:55.42 | pH5 | ah ok. is it on a xilinx coolrunner too? |
| 08:56.32 | cr2 | pH5: probably. i don't have the device or the motherboard pictures. it's pure RE :) |
| 08:56.35 | pH5 | ah :) |
| 08:57.48 | cr2 | pH5: hehe. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaResearch |
| 08:59.48 | cr2 | DPRAM is coming. it is used for AT communication (!) |
| 09:01.09 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Serial |
| 09:01.35 | pH5 | heh, that's a first |
| 09:03.20 | psokolovsky | pH5, cr2: on completely another topic: did toy guys tried recent Angstrom-x11-image's? I find them regressing too - buttons don't work, mouse cursor is visible, BL control issues; plus, on hx4700 I was getting suspend/resume hangs with Xw100 or what is used there. |
| 09:04.16 | pH5 | psokolovsky: bl control issues are the ipaq-sleep/"bl" program not working correctly (it switches the backlight off during login)? |
| 09:04.37 | psokolovsky | pH5: yep, exactly |
| 09:04.41 | pH5 | buttons don't work is probably missing keylaunch, I had that problem on my latest magician image |
| 09:04.49 | pH5 | not sure where that got lost |
| 09:04.59 | pH5 | but the suspend/resume hangs I didn't see yet. |
| 09:05.30 | psokolovsky | pH5: I saw buttons notw orking some time ago on hx4700, thotught were due to another Xserver impl. now confirmed same on h4000 |
| 09:05.51 | pH5 | psokolovsky: keylaunch? |
| 09:06.13 | psokolovsky | pH5: suspend/resume only on hx. and actually some time ago, not recently |
| 09:06.37 | psokolovsky | pH5: I just checked that xmodmap is loaded with proper buttonmap (common) |
| 09:06.48 | psokolovsky | pH5: thanks for hint, will check as time permits |
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| 16:58.52 | goxboxlive | cr2 are you there/here ? |
| 17:06.04 | goxboxlive | psokolovsky: you asked cr2 about angstrom-x-image. I have no idea, it wouldnt build, it failes when doung rootfs of the image. It's something about the matchbox-panel that wouldnt install |
| 17:06.35 | psokolovsky | for me it builds |
| 17:06.45 | goxboxlive | have you build openmoko also? |
| 17:08.05 | goxboxlive | I think openmoko is using a newer matchbox-panel version, whiles x-image is using an older one. I have mention it for koen, but he said he had no idea why it happend. |
| 17:10.06 | pH5 | goxboxlive: matchbox-panel-2 provides matchbox-panel, so if you have mp2 built and depend on mp, it will try to use mp2 (which clashes with the lib versions somehow) |
| 17:10.41 | pH5 | workaround: build x11/openmoko-image in different dirs or remove matchbox-panel-2 before building the x11-image |
| 17:10.48 | goxboxlive | pH5:yes i have noticed, any way to override it? |
| 17:10.52 | goxboxlive | ok thx |
| 17:11.12 | pH5 | goxboxlive: or you could try to remove the PROVIDES="matchbox-panel" from mp2. |
| 17:12.04 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:14.27 | cr2 | goxboxlive: 'git pull' does not work today too. installing something manually defeats the purpose of oe :) |
| 17:15.05 | cr2 | NOTE: package xcalibrateext-0.0+git20060814-r0: task do_fetch: started |
| 17:15.05 | cr2 | Failed to run command 'pull': Permission denied |
| 17:15.26 | cr2 | git pull git://anongit.freedesktop.org/xorg/proto/calibrateprotrateproto failed |
| 17:21.40 | pH5 | cr2: that whole package looks bogus to me. this is the same as calibrateproto with a wrong SRC_URI. psokolovsky? |
| 17:23.40 | pH5 | cr2: what depends on xcalibrateext? |
| 17:24.56 | psokolovsky | pH5: ? |
| 17:25.47 | pH5 | psokolovsky: you added xcalibrateext. what does depend on it. can it be removed? the correct package is xorg-proto/calibrateproto.bb |
| 17:26.03 | pH5 | (or at least that's what monotone thinks) |
| 17:26.43 | psokolovsky | pH5: what I added was working for more than half-year already. if something changed recently, then... |
| 17:28.56 | pH5 | psokolovsky: so you have no idea? |
| 17:29.18 | psokolovsky | pH5: for me x11 image building works |
| 17:29.59 | psokolovsky | pH5: tell me ipk names, I can check their dates I have if that helps |
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| 17:35.38 | pH5 | uh-oh. I just noticed that xcalibrateext is still used instead of calibrateproto if you compile X11R7 xserver. I guess we should clean that up when we upgrade our xorg packages. |
| 17:35.53 | pH5 | I now see that you just replaced the old xcalibrateext_cvs package with the git one. |
| 17:36.14 | pH5 | cr2: even though the SRC_URIs are different, both packages fetch just fine for me. |
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| 17:54.45 | psokolovsky | pH5: yes, that what my memory tells me too. I wish that OE upgraded to R7.2 soon and we had new round of cleanup on X. |
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| 18:04.20 | goxboxlive | cr2: still here |
| 18:06.15 | goxboxlive | If it is a long time since you checked out OE you might consider do it again. Because sometimes it's not enough to just pull. I dont know why, but i have noticed it. |
| 18:09.18 | goxboxlive | But, forget about OE, i do the images you do the kernel drivers. Let's try to fix the asic3 keys for luminar sensor and rotation. |
| 18:11.29 | goxboxlive | and then update the rest of the drivers so we are at same status as HX4700 |
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| 18:12.57 | pH5 | psokolovsky: I was waiting for epoch support in bitbake, but I guess now that we have it there is no excuse :) |
| 18:15.16 | psokolovsky | pH5: was it added? maybe it's not in OE then? because I got full epoch support depends on openmoko guys being ready for that, blah-blah, blah-blah ;-I |
| 18:16.31 | _law_ | hi all |
| 18:16.41 | _law_ | my tornado boots linux via haret :-) |
| 18:16.52 | pH5 | psokolovsky: bitbake trunk supports it, so we could start adding PE="1" to packages. it *shouldn't* be a problem for openmoko because new packages with smaller version numbers just won't be selected if bitbake doesn't support PE. |
| 18:17.11 | _law_ | incl. working usb_ether :-) |
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| 18:18.05 | pH5 | and as soon as a distro has set its version in stone aka PREFERRED_VERSION, it doesn't matter anyway (until people start putting epochs in preferred versions). |
| 18:18.09 | pH5 | _law_: congrats!! |
| 18:19.54 | _law_ | pH5: thanks |
| 18:20.13 | psokolovsky | pH5: yeah, IIRC, problem was exactly that OM is not ready to switch to bb1.8, because ..., etc. RP posted about that. I just hope that someone will go for that anyway ;-) |
| 18:37.16 | cr2 | pH5: manual git pull does not work for me. |
| 18:38.29 | cr2 | goxboxlive: luminosity sensor and rotation were implemented as "switches", not "keys". i know that opie will break if we change it, but is there any compelling reason to use switches at all ? |
| 18:38.50 | cr2 | hehe |
| 18:39.55 | cr2 | psokolovsky: are the switches necessary ? what is the logic behind switch/key separation ? |
| 18:45.16 | psokolovsky | cr2: I have no idea. your call. zaurus use them. there limitation is that they're binary, so bad abstraction for light sensor. h5000 implements it using adc classdev for example |
| 18:47.42 | pH5 | cr2: you could ask RP about that. I think the reasoning behind it was that switches are expected to be '1'/'0' for a long time vs keys that are only pressed for a short time. He said that this was 'controversal', so there should be some discussion on lkml about it. |
| 18:48.44 | cr2 | ok. i think it's easier to assign then to some bizarre keys and fix/change the userspace. |
| 18:49.38 | _law_ | http://law.hostsen.net/oe/pictures/tornado/DSCN4323.JPG :-) |
| 18:50.18 | cr2 | i guess real "switches" are treated by the kernel. as irqs for (near-)realtime performance. userspace is more flexible. |
| 18:50.59 | cr2 | _law_: great. why do you have ext2 errors ? |
| 18:51.42 | _law_ | cr2: dunno, but perhaps the ramdisk is do small |
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| 18:57.29 | goxboxlive | hi cr2 i am back |
| 18:57.40 | goxboxlive | I read the logs |
| 18:58.13 | goxboxlive | But do you think that we shall drop the switches ? |
| 18:58.51 | goxboxlive | I mean both of them are realy necessarry |
| 18:58.51 | cr2 | ok. i see the problem as follows. does openmoko deal with the screen rotation ? i guess not. |
| 18:59.06 | goxboxlive | well, you can rotate using xrandr |
| 18:59.31 | cr2 | are there any openmoko guidelines how to deal with auto-rotation ? |
| 18:59.46 | goxboxlive | hold on let me chwck |
| 19:00.52 | goxboxlive | But, couldt we use xrandr to handle it, by a signal from the rotate switch? |
| 19:01.16 | goxboxlive | or am i talking tooooo electrical curcuits now :-) |
| 19:01.27 | cr2 | neo does not support it, but the "official" word is that openmoko on other devices is welcomed. so there should be a guideline. |
| 19:02.05 | cr2 | the x server gets a key event and should deal with it. so it's the problem of the x server (config?) |
| 19:02.14 | goxboxlive | No, you right, Neo doesnt support it, it is on the HW wish list, also luminance sensor |
| 19:02.41 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:03.03 | goxboxlive | But, isent it easy as : |
| 19:03.09 | goxboxlive | if |
| 19:03.11 | cr2 | wish list is for the FIC hardware. we need a software guideline today. also for wifi, btw. and for the camera(s). |
| 19:03.16 | pH5 | cr2: xrandr. it's the job of a daemon to watch for those events and rotate the screen. zaurusd does this, for example. |
| 19:04.00 | cr2 | pH5: ok. |
| 19:04.29 | goxboxlive | yes it shouldnt be that dificult. All we need is the key_switch to talk with the xrandr-panelapp.sh file and then it would be fully automatic |
| 19:05.28 | goxboxlive | And, why cant we make or own deamon to help us out with the keylight/luminance sensor |
| 19:05.53 | cr2 | ok, so the question reduces to a convention what key should be used for the lum. sensor and screen rotation event. |
| 19:06.22 | cr2 | i'll add these two codes to asic3-gpio init, and the kernel side is finished. |
| 19:06.41 | goxboxlive | good |
| 19:07.45 | cr2 | KEY_MSDOS :) |
| 19:08.34 | cr2 | or KEY_SPORT |
| 19:08.51 | cr2 | KEY_SWITCHVIDEOMODE ? |
| 19:08.59 | goxboxlive | doesnt mather, just make it work :-) |
| 19:09.10 | pH5 | KEY_DOWHATIWANT |
| 19:09.11 | cr2 | and KEY_KBDILLUMTOGGLE |
| 19:09.22 | cr2 | it's what is in linux/input.h |
| 19:10.14 | cr2 | KEY_VIDEOPHONE, not bad. |
| 19:10.18 | goxboxlive | ok, i'll look to |
| 19:11.08 | cr2 | so KEY_SWITCHVIDEOMODE and KEY_KBDILLUMTOGGLE |
| 19:11.26 | goxboxlive | #define KEY_ZENKAKUHANKAKU :-) |
| 19:11.42 | cr2 | KEY_VIDEOPHONE can be used too. at the appropriate place. |
| 19:12.50 | goxboxlive | define KEY_ANGLE ? |
| 19:13.17 | cr2 | i think KEY_SWITCHVIDEOMODE is quite good. |
| 19:13.56 | cr2 | KEY_KBDILLUMTOGGLE is what really happens on the universal :) |
| 19:14.03 | goxboxlive | #define SW_TABLET_MODE ?? |
| 19:14.17 | cr2 | SW_* is for switches. |
| 19:15.18 | goxboxlive | i know |
| 19:16.35 | cr2 | pH5: what has happened with your BOTHEDGE asic3 patches ? i've lost the track. |
| 19:17.59 | cr2 | _law_: is you actual ramdisk size equal to the kernel commandline parameter ? |
| 19:18.04 | pH5 | cr2: I committed them to hh.org cvs and forgot about them. If there is any strange edge flipping behaviour left in drivers outside of asic3, you should try to convert them to just use BOTHEDGE. If it doesn't work for some reason, I'd be interested. |
| 19:18.46 | cr2 | pH5: ok, i was interested if asic3-gpio supoorts BOTHEDGE |
| 19:19.41 | pH5 | cr2: it should. there is only one issue know with the hx4700 ac/usb plug irqs, but I couldn't reproduce that so far. |
| 19:19.49 | pH5 | s/know/known/ |
| 19:20.08 | cr2 | ok. |
| 19:21.51 | cr2 | haha. you don't have a choice. |
| 19:22.14 | cr2 | hmm. screen_cover. what event is that ? |
| 19:23.43 | cr2 | KEY_FINANCE |
| 19:23.45 | goxboxlive | i think it's lid |
| 19:23.51 | goxboxlive | not cover |
| 19:24.37 | cr2 | KEY_SCREEN ? |
| 19:24.45 | goxboxlive | yes there is one |
| 19:24.50 | goxboxlive | KEY_SCREEN |
| 19:25.06 | goxboxlive | #define KEY_SCREEN 0x177 |
| 19:33.57 | cr2 | ok. done. KEY_F10 for the backlight... |
| 19:36.45 | cr2 | so it's a userspace problem now. next one should be the external headset/BT headset on/off event. |
| 19:37.25 | cr2 | look for the appropriate names :) |
| 19:39.28 | cr2 | external headset should be easy, because it's an asic3-gpio too. |
| 19:39.57 | cr2 | ah, the remaining general problem on the universal. what is BT irq... |
| 19:40.26 | cr2 | pH5: do you have... hmm. you don't have TI BT. |
| 19:40.46 | pH5 | cr2: wakeup? that should be somewhere early in the nk.exe code. |
| 19:40.59 | pH5 | yeah, I have some csr bluecore |
| 19:41.37 | cr2 | the devices with TI BT chipsets have something that wince calls "BT irq". |
| 19:42.26 | goxboxlive | great cr2 |
| 19:42.33 | cr2 | it can be observed at least when the firmware update is sent. i have no idea what it is doing, so we just ignore it ;) |
| 19:43.16 | pH5 | cr2: for perhaps for wakeup? I have a wakeup bt irq on the cpld. |
| 19:43.32 | pH5 | It fires (at least) when the device is at sleep and somebody tries to connect. |
| 19:43.51 | cr2 | connect from where ? |
| 19:45.34 | pH5 | via bluetooth. if I suspend the magician and hcicontrol cc <btaddr> it from my laptop, it wakes up. |
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| 19:46.26 | cr2 | hmm. maybe. i need to check it. but it happens also under other circumstances... |
| 19:47.22 | cr2 | no. it is masked on sleep. GPIOB4 in http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalASIC3 |
| 19:50.21 | SmallR2002 | i just saw the ameo |
| 19:50.39 | SmallR2002 | since when has mobile electronics had such an 'i want one' factor for me |
| 19:51.32 | goxboxlive | SmallR2002 WHat is the "ameo" |
| 19:51.57 | SmallR2002 | tmobile athena |
| 19:52.24 | SmallR2002 | well |
| 19:52.28 | goxboxlive | Cr2: My status table is turning very green now :-) . Now, lets do the cam while where on it :-) |
| 19:52.29 | SmallR2002 | tmobile version of the athena |
| 19:52.31 | goxboxlive | ol |
| 19:52.36 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:52.57 | goxboxlive | Athena is a great device, but it's too expensive and to big |
| 19:53.42 | cr2 | SmallR2002: i've done a lot of RE for athena. |
| 19:54.03 | SmallR2002 | it seems to be something like the mda pro, just a bit better |
| 19:54.05 | cr2 | but there is 1 small problem. or maybe 2 :) |
| 19:54.32 | SmallR2002 | like it not being much of a phone? |
| 19:54.53 | cr2 | no. from the "porting linux" angle |
| 19:54.58 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaResearch |
| 19:55.28 | psokolovsky | pH5: cool! what BT chip is in magician? |
| 19:55.40 | SmallR2002 | cr2, i thought because it's an intel processor it's likely to be easier to use existing code maybe? |
| 19:55.52 | cr2 | goxboxlive: somebody should create the pxa27x-cif platform_device from pxa_camera. |
| 19:56.06 | SmallR2002 | (this is totally abstract due to total lack of knowledge about the architecture of it) |
| 19:56.27 | cr2 | SmallR2002: yes, it will be very easy to boot linux from the ramdisk on athena. |
| 19:56.43 | cr2 | look at the hardware list at the link above. |
| 19:56.55 | SmallR2002 | i am |
| 19:56.56 | cr2 | there are 3 "HDDs" in the device. |
| 19:57.15 | SmallR2002 | boot, os, docs? |
| 19:57.22 | cr2 | mdoc G4, miniSD and the microdrive |
| 19:57.30 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 19:57.40 | SmallR2002 | let me guess, the microdrive could be hardhacked? |
| 19:57.45 | cr2 | G4 is a tough nut, no linux driver available. |
| 19:58.31 | cr2 | miniSD is not on the PXA :( but on ATIW2284. completely undocumented. needs some clever RE approach. |
| 19:58.39 | SmallR2002 | any chance of a io spy driver? |
| 19:58.57 | cr2 | Kevin's hw debug trace will be very helpful. |
| 19:59.24 | cr2 | and it may be very helpful to document the ATI ace_ddi API. |
| 19:59.42 | cr2 | so it needs a new SD host driver. |
| 19:59.55 | cr2 | the microdrive: |
| 20:00.16 | cr2 | it depends on the board_id <= 6 how it is connected. |
| 20:00.23 | SmallR2002 | so it's a more likely device than the hermes? |
| 20:01.00 | cr2 | there is an Philips ISP1583 USB2.0 chip, and Epson USB2.0/ATA100 |
| 20:01.46 | cr2 | both have the detailed datasheets, but it needs to be debugged how they are connected, which chip do you have, etc. |
| 20:02.09 | cr2 | so it's not just Plug&pray to have a HDD on athena. |
| 20:02.44 | cr2 | hermes SD driver support 2 SD controllers: the S3C2442 onboard and the ATI W2282. |
| 20:03.26 | cr2 | but (imho, fortunately for us) only the S3C2442 is used :) with a working linux driver. |
| 20:04.51 | cr2 | SmallR2002: we have an excellent "io spy driver" on pxa cpus :) it is called haret with pxa27x support. |
| 20:05.03 | SmallR2002 | just over four hundred nicker for it feels a little steep, but if it's a better lot to go with i might start saving |
| 20:05.17 | pH5 | yay! unmodified gsmd runs on magician. |
| 20:05.35 | SmallR2002 | incidentally, does the hermes have some level of gps support somewhere? |
| 20:05.40 | pH5 | psokolovsky: some csr bluecore |
| 20:05.45 | cr2 | pH5: what about other htc devices with TI BB ? |
| 20:06.25 | cr2 | SmallR2002: no, afaik. some small hardware parts are missing, grounded, etc. |
| 20:07.22 | cr2 | i didn't follow the research recently, but they meant that the input LNA is grounded. |
| 20:07.29 | SmallR2002 | ah |
| 20:08.10 | cr2 | athena has sirf3, that one is easy. |
| 20:08.57 | cr2 | it's on the ffuart, so you can just 'cat /dev/ttyS0' to get the NMEA datastream. |
| 20:09.32 | cr2 | or use the sirfmon, but it's only for the hardcore people :) |
| 20:11.23 | cr2 | another problem with athena is that it uses ATI W2284 also for the sound, and i have no idea of the audio/BT routing on it. And the W2284 sound capabilities, or course. |
| 20:13.27 | goxboxlive | pH5: Is there a way to deamonize xrandr, or make a deamon for it? Do you have any example wich is allmost the same? |
| 20:14.05 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 20:14.17 | goxboxlive | I am thinking about making it start from init.d |
| 20:14.20 | SmallR2002 | so, cr2, the message is wait for athena version two? |
| 20:16.07 | cr2 | SmallR2002: get one and hack :) or get the universal if you are lazy and don#t need HSDPA and sirf3. |
| 20:17.45 | cr2 | the version two may be even more complex. |
| 20:21.16 | _law_ | hmm i think the problem are the MMC1: Command timeouts, COMD0 |
| 20:21.29 | _law_ | s/COMD0/CMD0 |
| 20:21.40 | _law_ | amdn CMD7 |
| 20:22.03 | SmallR2002 | i need 3G |
| 20:22.13 | _law_ | could it be that kernel 2.6.20 works better with mmc then 2.6.16 ? |
| 20:22.13 | cr2 | _law_: i have no clue about the omap. |
| 20:22.13 | SmallR2002 | is the universal the mda pro? |
| 20:22.23 | cr2 | SmallR2002: yes. |
| 20:22.46 | cr2 | i've said you only get HSDPA and sirf3 on athena. |
| 20:22.53 | SmallR2002 | i thought that wasn't 3g compatible |
| 20:23.16 | cr2 | and the 3mpix CAM, which is also unsupported ;) |
| 20:23.26 | goxboxlive | SmallR2002: Yes get a universal, look at out status page, where allmost done with the most important ones: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus?action=show |
| 20:23.40 | goxboxlive | s/out/our/ |
| 20:24.12 | goxboxlive | We only need sound to let it work, then we can use the phone in daily use |
| 20:24.19 | goxboxlive | and suspend/resume |
| 20:26.01 | SmallR2002 | now why did tmobile not let me get that phone... |
| 20:26.07 | cr2 | goxboxlive: what's wrong with suspend/resume ? |
| 20:26.18 | goxboxlive | usbnet and pxafb |
| 20:26.23 | goxboxlive | usbnet doesnt resume |
| 20:26.51 | goxboxlive | and pxafb has prblem with it's refresh rate when it's resumed |
| 20:27.32 | goxboxlive | dont you remember cr2? The lethers flickers when it is resumed |
| 20:29.29 | cr2 | ah, ok. |
| 20:29.42 | cr2 | a pxafb problem. |
| 20:30.15 | cr2 | and the usbh gpio problem. |
| 20:31.57 | SmallR2002 | tmobile wouldn't allow me to get that because it wouldn't handle high speed data if i remember correctly |
| 20:32.07 | goxboxlive | os that something we can fix? |
| 20:32.33 | goxboxlive | thats's right, no HSDPA, onlu UMTS |
| 20:32.36 | SmallR2002 | i'm a lucky bastard who pays out 50gbp/month for 10gb/month unfiltered |
| 20:33.30 | goxboxlive | But cr2, why doesnt the hx4700 have the problem with resuming usbnet? |
| 20:33.34 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i can add LCCR4 save/restore to htcuniversal_lcd_suspend/resume, but it's a really braindead way to fix it ;) |
| 20:34.08 | cr2 | hm. but better than nothing. |
| 20:34.10 | goxboxlive | I think you should, even though it is braindead solution it will at last work |
| 20:34.19 | cr2 | ok. |
| 20:34.43 | cr2 | well, i can just set it in resume. |
| 20:34.56 | cr2 | because we support only this mode. |
| 20:35.01 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:35.07 | cr2 | SmallR2002: that's a lot of money. |
| 20:35.15 | SmallR2002 | aye lad, it is |
| 20:35.27 | cr2 | 400 for the device are peanuts in comparison. |
| 20:35.43 | SmallR2002 | it's good value for the cash |
| 20:35.58 | SmallR2002 | what you're getting, in comparison with other offers, etc |
| 20:36.08 | SmallR2002 | and it unties me from my desk |
| 20:37.57 | cr2 | ok. |
| 20:38.05 | cr2 | goxboxlive: compiling. |
| 20:38.05 | pH5 | cr2: re TI BB: that's why I asked about the blueangel protocol. are there some blueangel/alpine/apache serial dumps available somewhere? |
| 20:38.11 | SmallR2002 | does mean that i'm living off a pittance for food |
| 20:38.21 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 20:38.31 | cr2 | pH5: i can do it for the blueangel. |
| 20:38.49 | pH5 | goxboxlive: did you look at zaurusd? xrandr itself is a dump cmdline app, so no daemonization. |
| 20:39.05 | cr2 | apache is cdma, forget it. Kevin2 has the traces of this qualcomm chipset. |
| 20:39.08 | SmallR2002 | eighty pence for a loaf, grab some cheese or something like that and some butter... that's lunch for a week |
| 20:39.50 | goxboxlive | pH5 ok, i take a look |
| 20:40.47 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.58 | cr2 | pxa-regs is incomplete. |
| 20:41.17 | psokolovsky | pH5: re: some csr bluecore: ah, I see, I bet it's not any device's functionality. bit really cool. wireless wake up - something I dreamed of all the time |
| 20:41.27 | pH5 | cr2: the ba use '0x2 0x16 [data] 0x2 0x16' frames? because on magician it's just '0x2 0x16 [data] 0x2'. |
| 20:42.37 | pH5 | psokolovsky: yup. there is no way to keep the hx4700's bt chipset running in suspend, unfortunately. |
| 20:42.48 | pH5 | but all pda/smartphones I know can do it. |
| 20:43.01 | psokolovsky | nice |
| 20:44.18 | cr2 | pH5: isn't it the same ? |
| 20:44.39 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 20:45.11 | cr2 | psokolovsky: a pipe dream for the bt virus writers :) |
| 20:45.16 | cr2 | #if 1 |
| 20:45.16 | cr2 | #ifndef LCCR4 |
| 20:45.17 | cr2 | #define LCCR4 __REG(0x44000010) /* LCD Controller Control Register 4 */ |
| 20:45.17 | cr2 | #endif |
| 20:45.17 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.18 | cr2 | #endif |
| 20:45.24 | cr2 | this makes nice kernel code |
| 20:45.33 | pH5 | cr2: here the frames end just with 0x2. I read somewhere that on the blueangel the frames end with 0x2 + channel number, not sure if that is true. |
| 20:45.46 | cr2 | pH5: why do you care ? |
| 20:46.06 | cr2 | i can check it with haret, anyway. |
| 20:47.06 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i'll commit it, but it makes me feel dirty ;) |
| 20:48.40 | cr2 | done. |
| 20:50.31 | goxboxlive | :-) thx |
| 20:50.31 | SmallR2002 | my device randomly decided to loose all it's charge by just gone lunchtime |
| 20:50.40 | SmallR2002 | not a clue why |
| 20:51.02 | SmallR2002 | generally lasts me a full day of random ircing etc |
| 20:51.22 | goxboxlive | cr2: Realy progressing today cr2, what about usbnet? psokolovsky claimes it works on hx4700 |
| 20:52.02 | goxboxlive | i am looking at the zaurusd stuff. I am gonna try making it work on universal |
| 20:53.12 | SmallR2002 | do you have an estimated time of arrival for a working hermes linux? |
| 20:53.24 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i don't see anything wrong with the UDC part. it maybe something in the USBH part. i've just copied the code from magician, and it's a copy from zaurus :) wince debugging is required. |
| 20:53.42 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:54.12 | cr2 | SmallR2002: if it will boot, everything will move really fast. |
| 20:55.52 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
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| 20:56.27 | SmallR2002 | it'd be nice to get native ssh support which doesn't result in very fast battery usage |
| 20:56.59 | cr2 | i can't use the IR debug console, because the PCI-LPC bridge on my notebook is not supported ;) |
| 20:57.22 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 20:57.59 | SmallR2002 | i've got an asus a6u, is that supported |
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| 20:58.43 | cr2 | cpu ? |
| 20:59.17 | SmallR2002 | os[Linux 2.6.20.3 i686] distro[Debian 4.0] cpu[1 x AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology MT-30 @ 1.60GHz] mem[Physical : 1900MB, 76.1% free] disk[Total : 51.17GB, 1.90% Free] video[Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter] sound[] |
| 20:59.38 | cr2 | ah, the notebook. |
| 20:59.47 | cr2 | you run in the 64bit mode ? |
| 20:59.51 | SmallR2002 | nope |
| 21:00.02 | cr2 | my IR works in 32bit mode, but i hate 32bit mode. |
| 21:00.03 | SmallR2002 | too many 32bit stuff i want to run to be faffed with that |
| 21:00.20 | SmallR2002 | boot in 32bit just to get the data? |
| 21:00.39 | cr2 | to get the LPC bus support. |
| 21:01.04 | cr2 | suse intentionally did not write the code for ISA support on amd64 |
| 21:02.07 | cr2 | there is no technical problem with that. only political. |
| 21:02.36 | SmallR2002 | oh great, more suse annoyances |
| 21:03.28 | cr2 | i agree that it's a support hell, but nevertheless. |
| 21:04.05 | cr2 | the argument was "no amd64 machine" uses ISA. |
| 21:04.39 | cr2 | i bought my amd64 notebook 3 years ago, and complained on the suse-amd64 mailing list :) |
| 21:05.11 | cr2 | they have said, too exotic, no time or no real use. something like that, i don't remember exactly. |
| 21:06.19 | SmallR2002 | <insert wintel conspiracy theory> |
| 21:06.59 | SmallR2002 | :p |
| 21:07.14 | SmallR2002 | i have noticed something similar myself |
| 21:07.20 | cr2 | <insert suse greed> :) |
| 21:08.25 | cr2 | ok, amd64 notebook were exotic 3 years ago. this was the first one afaik. |
| 21:08.58 | SmallR2002 | maybe set up a very basic copy of 32bit linux on a usb drive or something, so you can get the data? |
| 21:09.46 | cr2 | hm. can't boot from usb. |
| 21:10.05 | SmallR2002 | ouch :( |
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| 21:10.31 | cr2 | i've bought pcmcia 2 port sata card yesterday. |
| 21:10.48 | cr2 | but the raid1 is already half-full :) |
| 21:11.33 | cr2 | goxboxlive: does this patch help ? |
| 21:13.36 | cr2 | pH5: switching on the wifi router to connect the blueangel. |
| 21:16.22 | goxboxlive | cr2: I havent tried it out yet. Have to test it tomorrow. I am trying to let zaurusd work with uni now. |
| 21:18.03 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:19.25 | goxboxlive | cr2: i'll try it out now |
| 21:19.28 | goxboxlive | hold on |
| 21:24.36 | goxboxlive | cr2: Yes, now the screen looks good when resuming, at least in the shell. |
| 21:25.31 | goxboxlive | yes, also in Openmoko |
| 21:25.47 | goxboxlive | good job even though it is dirty trick. |
| 21:26.59 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:41.18 | SmallR2002 | has anyone else noticed that mobile phone interfaces in general are big, clunky and very bad at using screen space? |
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| 21:48.22 | pH5 | cr2: great, I'll post the ldisc tomorrow after cleaning it up a little. |
| 21:48.44 | pH5 | (I would prefer if the blueangel protocol is the same, my code is ugly enough as it is, currently) |
| 21:48.45 | cr2 | pH5: i've done the log, will decode it right now |
| 21:49.25 | cr2 | it seems like 02 16 ... 02 02 |
| 21:50.01 | _law_ | tomorrow i?ll try do get the minisd working... |
| 21:50.04 | _law_ | n8 all |
| 21:50.26 | cr2 | pH5: no, other commands are just 02 16 ... 02 |
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| 21:51.51 | cr2 | ok. decoded by an awk script :) |
| 21:52.37 | SmallR2002 | how much could i pick up an old universal for? |
| 21:52.56 | cr2 | pH5: sorry. it is 02 16 ... 02 02 |
| 21:53.03 | cr2 | i'll pastebin the output |
| 21:53.17 | goxboxlive | SmallR2002 check ebay |
| 21:54.07 | SmallR2002 | not eighteen for a few months mate, can't really do online payments and my mum will go spare if i ask if i can put it through her card again |
| 21:54.19 | pH5 | cr2: this looks very good. |
| 21:55.08 | goxboxlive | cr2: the keys are working too |
| 21:55.17 | goxboxlive | not with zurusd though |
| 21:55.23 | SmallR2002 | she's put up with a fair bit :p running my own business and all |
| 21:55.42 | cr2 | pH5: http://www.pastebin.ca/411235 |
| 21:56.53 | cr2 | hm. the line 10 has only 1 02. but it may be a bug. |
| 21:57.29 | pH5 | Perfect. Except for that it looks just like it does here. I'll send you the ldisc tomorrow for review/testing. |
| 21:57.45 | pH5 | good night |
| 21:58.31 | goxboxlive | night all |
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