00:00.02 | sir_rokr | no, there is one on the site, but i downloaded the most recent from xda devel |
00:00.23 | sheepy | a precompiled image or? |
00:00.36 | sir_rokr | yeah |
00:00.48 | sir_rokr | i don't have easy access to a compiler |
00:00.48 | sheepy | link? |
00:01.17 | sir_rokr | my only working version of linux right now is a 60MB live cd |
00:01.28 | sir_rokr | BBC linux |
00:01.41 | sir_rokr | my hdd with fedora isn't working right |
00:01.42 | sheepy | is that because you dont have your own computer ATM? |
00:01.59 | sheepy | Ubuntu, go Ubuntu |
00:02.07 | sheepy | you will not regret it ;) |
00:02.22 | sheepy | anyways, you have a link to the kernel that you are using? |
00:02.40 | sir_rokr | well, in order to even boot into windows, i have to have a bootable xp cd in the drive, or i get lots of grub errors, and that was installed on the superblock of my 4th drive |
00:02.49 | sir_rokr | just a sec |
00:02.57 | sheepy | hmm |
00:03.37 | sir_rokr | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/uploads/zImage-2.6.12-hh2 is the kernel i'm using, the page i got the link from is http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelKernel |
00:03.44 | sheepy | ok |
00:03.47 | sir_rokr | brb |
00:05.42 | alsuren | sir_rokr: sounds like your grub problem might be solved with a few quick commands. I could probably give you a hand if you want |
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00:06.28 | sheepy | is there a way to get back in to WM5 from the linux boot? |
00:07.25 | alsuren | sheepy: is there a command called shutdown? |
00:07.35 | sheepy | =) |
00:07.53 | sir_rokr | back, but i have to go in less than a couple minutes |
00:07.59 | alsuren | :P |
00:08.11 | sheepy | hehe |
00:08.17 | sir_rokr | i hate moving, my life has been commandeered for the last month |
00:08.25 | sheepy | i just did a move |
00:08.31 | sheepy | im still in boxes |
00:09.11 | sir_rokr | if you guys figure anything out, and definately the help with grub (possibly with a link to ubuntu), could you send me a quick email at sirrokr@gmail.com |
00:09.35 | alsuren | sir_rokr: google ubuntu |
00:09.48 | sheepy | what is the error you get with the .gz file sir? |
00:09.49 | alsuren | as long as you have a cd burner it's easy |
00:09.58 | sheepy | totally |
00:10.01 | sir_rokr | oh, and does ubuntu play nice with winxp? i know with fedora and slackware, i have to jump through alot of hoops to dualboot |
00:10.11 | sheepy | it will set it up |
00:10.16 | alsuren | (though I would recommend kubuntu, because kde is sexy |
00:10.18 | sheepy | if you install windows first |
00:10.30 | Ralith | sir_rokr, yeah, it'll be fine if windows comes first |
00:10.32 | sheepy | hehe, NO! Gnome is! |
00:10.34 | sheepy | :P |
00:10.37 | sir_rokr | i agree, kde is much better than gnome |
00:10.45 | sir_rokr | lol |
00:10.46 | alsuren | 2 against 2 |
00:10.48 | sheepy | ;) |
00:11.10 | sir_rokr | i've always used kde since slackware 5.2 |
00:11.14 | alsuren | grrrr. fucking universal keyboard with the numbers in the wrong place! |
00:11.21 | sir_rokr | lol |
00:11.24 | sheepy | hehe |
00:11.40 | sir_rokr | you are lucky, for my pc, i am working with a usb japanese keyboard, us windows hates that |
00:11.47 | sheepy | !! |
00:11.53 | sir_rokr | linux it works fine though lol |
00:12.58 | sir_rokr | well, g2g, be back later if my internet holds up |
00:13.04 | alsuren | Still deciding whether to install linux on the universal. My only current problem with wince is that you can't set up a proxy with wifi |
00:13.28 | alsuren | so I can't get on the net from inside uni |
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00:15.07 | sheepy | i say install it anyways :) |
00:15.21 | sheepy | everything is better with linux |
00:15.30 | sheepy | hmm, still cant reboot it |
00:15.42 | alsuren | but I set up xrdp on one of the university computers, so I can use linux programs via the 'terminal services client' |
00:15.44 | sheepy | have had to pull the battery |
00:16.28 | alsuren | sheepy: my gut instinct says that a hard reset would have worked |
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00:17.06 | sheepy | i have linux running out of my house. Pretty much I connect to the net on a device and run an ssh tunnel back to my home and use the internet from there |
00:17.29 | sheepy | though right now it is all turned off |
00:17.30 | sheepy | haha |
00:17.37 | alsuren | and many linux distros have /etc/init.d/reboot |
00:17.42 | sheepy | yeah |
00:17.56 | sheepy | it runs the command and then doesnt reboot |
00:17.57 | sheepy | just sits there |
00:18.04 | sheepy | still at the terminal |
00:18.13 | sheepy | i dont think it is implemented |
00:18.34 | cr2 | alsuren: you don't need to hardreset on universal. |
00:18.57 | sheepy | cr2: i am trying to get back into wm5 from uni |
00:19.01 | sheepy | on my apache |
00:19.16 | sheepy | so far the only way i can do it is pull the battery |
00:19.26 | sheepy | any help is very appriciated :) |
00:19.33 | cr2 | strange. |
00:19.42 | cr2 | i just type 'reboot' |
00:19.51 | cr2 | or press the softreset button. |
00:19.58 | sheepy | yeah, it executes but then doesnt go from there |
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00:20.08 | sheepy | soft reset button doesnt do anything |
00:20.14 | cr2 | on apache ? |
00:20.18 | sheepy | yeah |
00:20.21 | cr2 | hmm. |
00:20.23 | sheepy | apm you think? |
00:20.32 | cr2 | no. |
00:20.47 | sheepy | i havent updated the firmware on it |
00:20.55 | sheepy | sprint just released a new fw |
00:21.00 | sheepy | should i try that? |
00:21.09 | cr2 | no idea. |
00:21.12 | sheepy | k |
00:21.13 | sheepy | :) |
00:21.35 | cr2 | i'm more concerned about booting on hermes :) |
00:21.41 | alsuren | sheepy: I don't have the money to spend on gprs bandwidth, so I've taken to lugging an ethernet hotspot about :P |
00:21.42 | sheepy | yeah when i type reboot i get the message "system is rebooting" |
00:22.03 | sheepy | and then nothing. Same thing with shutdown -h now |
00:22.12 | sheepy | stays booted |
00:22.15 | cr2 | strange. |
00:22.23 | cr2 | works ok on the universal. |
00:22.30 | sheepy | what device? |
00:22.32 | sheepy | apache? |
00:23.07 | alsuren | cr2: do *you* have any predictions about making phonecalls from the universal? |
00:23.27 | sheepy | i predect "yes" |
00:23.35 | sheepy | but when is another question |
00:23.38 | cr2 | alsuren: we wait till 11.02 |
00:24.11 | cr2 | to look at the gsmd architecture, and not reinvent the wheel. |
00:24.46 | sheepy | what is 11.02 ? |
00:24.48 | alsuren | cr2: 11.02? Sounds like either a date or a version number |
00:24.53 | cr2 | the phone can be convinced to work, but without a phone app it's not very useful. |
00:25.11 | cr2 | 11 feb. the openmoko source will be released. |
00:25.17 | sheepy | oh |
00:25.19 | sheepy | nice |
00:25.43 | alsuren | oooooh! sounds exciting |
00:26.29 | cr2 | universal is very flexible, that creates a problem :) |
00:26.42 | alsuren | what do yoyu mean? |
00:27.13 | cr2 | universal is the best hardware you can get. |
00:27.26 | cr2 | therefore it's the most complex to control. |
00:28.31 | Ralith | can't wait 'till we have more control on it, tho |
00:28.48 | alsuren | (sorry about the typos. wince remote desktop + linux xrdp + stupid amounts of network lag do odd thing wrt the keyboard |
00:29.15 | alsuren | cr2: what is that about the sound? |
00:29.35 | cr2 | Ralith: it's not the hardware side, but the software side. |
00:30.06 | Ralith | cr2, ok? |
00:30.22 | Ralith | as far as I'm concerned, unless I can offer help, where the problem is doesn't matter too much. |
00:30.25 | cr2 | alsuren: the chip is documented, and i have traced what is connected where. |
00:30.45 | Ralith | I just want it with gprs and reliable phone usability, and then I'll be running it exclusively |
00:31.04 | cr2 | Ralith: i can't help with the gprs. |
00:31.15 | Ralith | cr2, why not? |
00:31.29 | alsuren | Ralith: gprs == expensive |
00:31.30 | cr2 | you need to find a way to trace the USB-serial datastream |
00:31.47 | cr2 | Ralith: i don't have a data contract. |
00:32.05 | Ralith | cr2, as I've said before, when the time comes, I'd be happy to do testing for you. |
00:32.08 | cr2 | and debugging should be done by somebody with a flatrate. |
00:32.16 | Ralith | I have one. |
00:32.41 | Ralith | unlimited data. |
00:32.44 | cr2 | well, it's not just a "mechanic" job ;) |
00:32.56 | Ralith | ? |
00:33.22 | cr2 | nobody has done it before, and there are no ready-to-use tools. |
00:33.31 | alsuren | Ralith: :O how much is that per month? |
00:33.59 | sheepy | this is all on GSM? think we are out of luck on CDMA? |
00:34.09 | Ralith | alsuren, $20. It's technically only supposed to be used for WAP on 'normal' phones, but they can't tell the difference :P |
00:34.11 | cr2 | sheepy: you have a ba ? |
00:34.16 | sheepy | apache |
00:34.31 | Ralith | I went into the cingular store with a 'normal' phone, then just swapped around the SIMs |
00:35.07 | cr2 | sheepy: read the hh.org wiki on apache. there is some unknown binary 256byte blob sent from time to time. |
00:35.21 | sheepy | interesting |
00:35.42 | Ralith | cr2, just keep in mind, if you ever feel up to the task, I can do any and all testing you need. |
00:36.11 | Ralith | and if it's something noone's done before, well, consider it a way to put your name in the books ^_^ |
00:37.04 | cr2 | sheepy: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApachePhoneTrace |
00:37.17 | sheepy | sweet |
00:38.42 | sheepy | i will get it set up for it |
00:40.04 | alsuren | cr2: wrt the sound on universal: do you think that it could be solved/sidestepped using a generic blooth headset like they did on some other phones? |
00:41.31 | alsuren | *bluetooth |
00:41.48 | cr2 | alsuren: why ? |
00:42.20 | cr2 | you have a direct mono pcm link, and we know how to control it. |
00:43.49 | alsuren | oh: so that's what you mean by 'Need to make a mixer' |
00:44.00 | alsuren | what about the mic? |
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00:45.11 | sheepy | cr2: thanks for the info |
00:45.24 | sheepy | i have to get going from the coffee shop :) |
00:45.37 | sheepy | gl alsuren |
00:45.38 | cr2 | alsuren: there are 3 mics |
00:45.40 | sheepy | ttyl |
00:45.46 | alsuren | byee |
00:46.01 | cr2 | alsuren: 2 or them are already working. |
00:46.48 | cr2 | but we need the mixer knob, to tell the sound chip which one or these 3 goes to mono_out (phone_mic_in) |
00:49.27 | alsuren | you make it sound like it's already pretty much solved (not that I would know what a mixer knob was if one hit me in the face) |
00:54.56 | cr2 | yes. we need to decide what goes into the kernel driver, what into the 'gsmd'. and we need a gui phone program. |
00:55.52 | cr2 | you can use the phone right now, but it will require some major commandline wizardry. |
01:00.21 | alsuren | cr2: command line is fine. I'm sure it could be hacked into a python script with a little work |
01:02.12 | alsuren | That is very encouraging to hear... might have to try it out sometime next weekend |
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01:02.29 | cr2 | we need a user-friendly solution. |
01:07.35 | alsuren | cr2: that's true. I'm very tempted to test it out though |
01:09.40 | cr2 | you need to send some i2c commands to ak4641 to powerup the mono out, and switch the mic->mono_out, control the volume, etc. |
01:10.15 | cr2 | the kernel should do it for you, actually. |
01:11.05 | alsuren | I may poke you sometime next weekend and ask you about that |
01:11.34 | cr2 | ok. |
01:12.22 | cr2 | better write a ncurses app :) |
01:12.48 | alsuren | for now, I need a) sleep, and b) to do some work, as I have about 6 sheets of questions to do for monday |
01:13.04 | alsuren | and you know where you can shove ncurses |
01:13.32 | alsuren | it's all about fdisk-style CLI or pyQt |
01:15.25 | cr2 | :) |
01:18.33 | cr2 | good night. |
01:20.37 | alsuren | just for the purposes of getting to know who you are: vim/vi/emacs;kde/gnome/*box;gpe/opie;c/c++/java/python/perl? |
01:20.55 | alsuren | then I will leave yoyu alone and go to bed |
01:28.41 | cr2 | alsuren: joe;kde;opie;c/c++/awk/perl |
01:29.52 | cr2 | and objdump/ida pro, or course ;-) |
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10:48.21 | sedatedfantasy | anyone? |
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16:03.47 | Kevin2 | Hi |
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18:25.47 | goxboxlive | It has been quite here the las weeks. |
18:26.09 | goxboxlive | Why is that, cxr2 are you on vacation again? |
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19:57.18 | sheepy | is there any docs on using the software debugging feature of haret |
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20:05.25 | RobHu | Hi. I am considering getting a HTC Universal to use as a Linux PDA. The page on the handhelds.org wiki suggests that it works pretty well and that this would be a good choice, but I was wondering if anyone here has one and could give a second opinion? |
20:06.53 | sheepy | hi |
20:06.59 | sheepy | people say it is |
20:07.21 | sheepy | and the phone is close to working on them apparently |
20:07.27 | RobHu | So - I would be able toWow :-) |
20:07.31 | RobHu | oops |
20:07.34 | sheepy | yeah |
20:07.36 | RobHu | Meant to delete more of that line ;-) |
20:07.38 | sheepy | :) |
20:07.39 | sheepy | haha |
20:07.50 | RobHu | So I would be able to use things like vi and so on on there? |
20:08.07 | sheepy | i just got linux working on my apache yesterday |
20:08.13 | sheepy | but in theory yes |
20:08.24 | RobHu | shiny |
20:08.41 | sheepy | yeah, i am excited to have an ultra portable linux box |
20:08.42 | sheepy | hah |
20:09.03 | RobHu | :-) |
20:09.18 | RobHu | What web browser do these ditributions use? |
20:09.52 | sheepy | I am reading up on the haret utility right now, it is the bootloader on these devices |
20:10.09 | sheepy | i dont know |
20:10.18 | sheepy | havent gotten that far yet :) |
20:11.18 | sheepy | on the apache there seems to be a few things needed to be working right away. Mainly the ability to go back in to WM5 |
20:11.20 | sheepy | ;) |
20:11.33 | sheepy | right now i am pulling the battery to go back |
20:11.34 | sheepy | hah |
20:11.40 | RobHu | :-) |
20:11.56 | sheepy | so no play time till some things get configured for me |
20:12.10 | sheepy | but the uni works quite well from what i hear |
20:12.27 | sheepy | i'm going to talk my gf into getting one |
20:12.32 | sheepy | so i can play with it |
20:12.33 | sheepy | haha |
20:15.02 | sheepy | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel |
20:15.12 | sheepy | that seems to be the phone to get ;) |
20:17.30 | RobHu | sheepy: Why? |
20:18.20 | Smacky_Wolf | I think it's time for Nekojiru-Sou |
20:18.33 | sheepy | !! |
20:20.07 | sheepy | RobHu: people are talking about the BlueAngel in a pretty good way from what I have seen |
20:20.24 | sheepy | im looking for a pic of the universal atm |
20:20.53 | Smacky_Wolf | Oh, crap. Damn global msg. Hi all! |
20:20.59 | sheepy | :D |
20:21.21 | sheepy | well Nekojiru-Sou sounds pretty bad-ass |
20:21.25 | sheepy | what ever it is! |
20:22.25 | goxboxlive | RobHu: You are able to use Universal as a PDA, but there are still alot of bugs. |
20:22.35 | Smacky_Wolf | Hehehe, it's just an anime. |
20:22.40 | pH5 | ねこぢる草 |
20:23.35 | goxboxlive | RobHu: Me self are not using it as a PDA. In example it drains your battery alot faster than with WinCE because we are allways runninga at max cpu speed |
20:24.43 | sheepy | that universal has a nice hw set-up! |
20:24.45 | RobHu | goxboxlive: Ah I see |
20:24.57 | goxboxlive | RobHu: And also the suspend/resume are not working perfect yet. It has some issues with the pxafb when resumes, also keyboard is a little buggy after resume |
20:25.05 | RobHu | Is there a bug list somewhere where I can get an idea of what bugs there are? |
20:25.23 | sheepy | how does the Uni compare to the blueangel? |
20:25.28 | goxboxlive | Well, we have made one, but it's not up2date |
20:25.43 | sheepy | in your opinions? |
20:26.05 | goxboxlive | Universal is one of the most complete of the HTC devices |
20:26.13 | RobHu | goxboxlive: Could I have a look at it please? |
20:26.43 | goxboxlive | RobHu: The bug list/status list is at the hh.org wiki page |
20:26.54 | goxboxlive | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalBugs |
20:27.01 | goxboxlive | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus |
20:28.48 | RobHu | goxboxlive: Thanks |
20:29.02 | RobHu | Do you think in the future the issues with resume and cpu freq will be resolved? |
20:30.00 | goxboxlive | Yes |
20:30.03 | goxboxlive | It will. |
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20:40.16 | sheepy | i love it when i lock up wm5 |
20:40.19 | sheepy | haha |
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20:47.15 | Kevin2 | Hi |
20:47.46 | sheepy | hi |
20:48.03 | Kevin2 | sheepy: You can reboot back into wm5 by pressing the reset button on the lower left of the phone. |
20:48.59 | sheepy | oh |
20:49.18 | sheepy | which button is it? |
20:50.21 | sheepy | oh, the "paperclip button"? |
20:50.51 | sheepy | ah ha, thx |
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20:50.53 | sheepy | :) |
20:54.19 | Kevin2 | Yep - It is fitted for the stylus - I'm surprised you didn't know about it. They document it for regular wm5 operation. :-) |
20:55.06 | sheepy | haha, instruction manuals are for wimps ;) |
20:55.56 | sheepy | funny, i was sitting here thinking.. "damn, i dont have a paper clip" |
20:56.07 | sheepy | "maybe the stylus will work" |
20:56.08 | sheepy | haha |
20:57.41 | sheepy | have you guys been using synce with haret? |
20:59.03 | sheepy | synce allows the usb to be seen as a usb network device to linux in wm5? |
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21:30.20 | sheepy | yay! i connected to haret! |
21:30.22 | sheepy | haha |
21:32.58 | sheepy | have a good day everyone |
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