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| 12:41.09 | jrs | anyone here |
| 12:47.57 | rob_w|mis | jo jrs |
| 12:48.13 | jrs | hi there |
| 12:48.20 | jrs | can you help me out here |
| 12:48.31 | jrs | do you know where i can get a boot-strap-image for the Blueangel? |
| 12:49.03 | rob_w|mis | hmm what exactly is your problem and who told you to get this ? |
| 12:49.34 | jrs | no one, i am planing to use it on my Universal |
| 12:49.52 | jrs | np problem, but i am trying to get XFCE to run om my Universal |
| 12:51.03 | jrs | I have tried the bootstrap-image for HX4700 and it botted and worked all great, but i hade som problem with the touch screnn so i will rather use the one for Blueangel |
| 12:51.13 | rob_w|mis | there are rootfs for blueangel on the topic of this channel .. but you will need a universal kernel to boot them |
| 12:51.35 | jrs | i have allredy compiled a kernel for the universal |
| 12:52.05 | rob_w|mis | cool , so go ahead and boot that kernel and switch to the mentiioned rootfs |
| 12:53.03 | rob_w|mis | that should provide you some functionality at least .. but im not aware of the touchscreen status of universal .. but i think they have it basicly working with the cvs kernel |
| 12:55.01 | jrs | i allready have tried out the gpe-ba.tar.bz also the newer one , but it includes GPE and i want a just clean system without any for for X, i will like to install it my self. I am trying to get the XFCE to run without GPE installed on it. It runs with GPE ( you have to have GPE running) . |
| 12:56.22 | jrs | Yes a lot is working great, the touchscreen is a little defuntional, but you can manage to use it. I have allready syncing it with my PIM so alot is working allready, both Opie and GPE |
| 12:57.56 | rob_w|mis | jrs my suggestion is then to not wait toget a compiled bootstrap , but "roll your own bootstrap" with oe |
| 12:58.20 | rob_w|mis | familiarize yourself with openembedded ... then you will be able to build your own bootstrap image |
| 12:58.27 | jrs | i have lokedin to it, but it looks sp damn compicated to compile one |
| 12:58.37 | rob_w|mis | it is not |
| 12:59.06 | rob_w|mis | hang on |
| 12:59.06 | jrs | do u know of any easy how to? |
| 13:00.27 | rob_w|mis | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted follow this .. at Step 6 download the OE.db.bz2 and go on |
| 13:01.12 | rob_w|mis | trust me that any hassle is worth it , when you are able to bitbake anything .. you then can crosscompile many things out of hand ! |
| 13:01.47 | jrs | ok thx i'll give it a try |
| 13:02.00 | rob_w|mis | otherwise ,, wait some time and maybe i get time to bake a bootstrap , what was wrong wit hthe hx4700 bootstrap ? |
| 13:02.51 | jrs | one more thing, do u know if there is a gdm/xdm/kdm for the familiar ? It would be cool to have the choiceto start GPE or OPIE |
| 13:03.51 | jrs | there ar some things that's links to the 2.6.13 kernel, while i use 2.6.12. |
| 13:04.36 | rob_w|mis | should be easy to do so .. fe .. have gpe-dm and then add this choice .. in case of opie .. kill gpe-dm and X and start opie |
| 13:08.09 | jrs | i have tried that, and i got it to wokr, but it lokked ugly. I made a script with kill ope-dm && /etc/init.d/opie start and it worked the screen flashed a little. Dident look good. I have seen that the HX4700 has a kind of XDM but i cant remember in wich page i saw it. Is there a irc channel for the HX4700 to? |
| 13:09.16 | rob_w|mis | i dont think there is a separete channel .. you might need to look for the approbiate people either on #gpe or #handhelds |
| 13:10.04 | rob_w|mis | you could technicly crosscompile the real xdm and kick him to do so .. |
| 13:45.02 | jrs | what local.conf file should i use for my Universal? |
| 13:52.11 | rob_w|mis | jrs, ok , well beside the parts according to your system i would recommend either h3900 or blueangel as TARGET |
| 13:53.02 | rob_w|mis | there is now univerisal yet in oe .. but you can adopt the blueangel and create a universal MACHINE |
| 13:53.15 | rob_w|mis | err before i meant MACHINE instead of TARGET |
| 13:54.16 | rob_w|mis | org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/blueangel.conf and make it a universal.conf |
| 13:55.30 | rob_w|mis | then you might also need to change org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/xanadux-ba-2.6_2.6.12.bb to check out the universal TAG cvs !! |
| 14:34.19 | jrs | thx i'll try after dinner |
| 16:25.35 | hikj | are there any up-to-date GPE images for the uni? |
| 16:26.25 | hikj | (yeah I know about oe- but I'm lazy :) |
| 16:27.36 | hikj | anybody here tried oe on the universal recently? |
| 16:27.57 | hikj | does battery charging and suspend work? |
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| 18:04.27 | goxboxlive | anyone familar with 'bitbake' here? |
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| 18:15.43 | goxboxlive | anyone familiar with bitbake? |
| 18:15.58 | rob_w | go ask your question .. |
| 18:16.46 | goxboxlive | how do i build the bootstrap-image ? Is it just 'bitbake bootstrap-image' ? (Blueangel) |
| 18:20.17 | goxboxlive | or is it bitbake task-boostrap. I am getting error on the make process |
| 18:31.05 | rob_w | the 2nd i would say .. lemme check |
| 18:42.59 | goxboxlive | or can i just rin 'bitbake blueangle' |
| 18:47.12 | rob_w | bitbake bootstrap-image |
| 18:58.15 | rob_w | if that finishes do another bitbake -b ../blablalba/meta/bootstrap-image.bb |
| 18:58.37 | rob_w | mine finished here .. |
| 19:01.53 | rob_w | get mine at http://www.linuxdevelopment.org/projects/familiar/blueangel/bootstrap-image-blueangel-20060410212716.rootfs.tar.bz2 |
| 19:21.34 | goxboxlive | thanks a lot i got it. But i have to try myself to. Actually i am trying to make the htcuniversal bootstrap |
| 19:24.17 | rob_w | ...right |
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| 20:58.36 | goxboxlive | man it take ages to make a bootstrap ( 1,5 hour) . How long does it take to make an opie or GPE image? |
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| 21:07.11 | rob_w | universal is doing quite some progress :-) |
| 21:13.59 | goxboxlive | Yes all commendation to cr2 and Milanvot. They have done alot in short time. |
| 21:14.27 | goxboxlive | realy looking forward to the screen calibration is 100% |
| 21:14.36 | rob_w | Milanvot is new to me ? |
| 21:15.14 | rob_w | they working on the jitterisch universal touch , right ? |
| 21:15.47 | goxboxlive | Ok, he is hanging out at the XDA forums. He has made the keyboard support in GPE and Opie. Also the automatic screen rotation (only in Opie). |
| 21:15.47 | rob_w | so how about your oe ? |
| 21:16.19 | rob_w | what rotation is that ? |
| 21:16.29 | rob_w | when closing the device or such ? |
| 21:16.38 | goxboxlive | jitterisch universa: Actually i am not so in to this. I am just testing all this. |
| 21:16.55 | goxboxlive | Rotation: When you rotate the screen. |
| 21:17.12 | rob_w | thats great |
| 21:17.43 | rob_w | so did make the oe run ? |
| 21:17.51 | goxboxlive | http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/i/z/rv/2005/09/xda-exec-i1.jpg |
| 21:18.43 | goxboxlive | so did make the oe run ? What do you mean? |
| 21:18.53 | rob_w | yeah seems the universal found some friends here , cvs is ringing each minute , Well Done |
| 21:19.19 | rob_w | did you succed in using openembedded and bitbake ? |
| 21:20.04 | rob_w | the form factor of the universal is really great |
| 21:20.21 | goxboxlive | I havent tried your version yet, have been busy with trying to compile. Hold on, i'll give it a tyr |
| 21:20.36 | rob_w | oh oh |
| 21:20.45 | goxboxlive | I am compiling now, it takes ages |
| 21:22.27 | rob_w | where do you stand currently ? |
| 21:26.37 | goxboxlive | it is generating 'locales' |
| 21:27.16 | rob_w | oh dear |
| 21:27.27 | rob_w | at glibc ? |
| 21:27.44 | rob_w | universal is hard to get in germany .. grrr |
| 21:29.33 | goxboxlive | @glibc : yes . Why is hard to get? Here i Norway it's not, it's just expensive |
| 21:29.59 | mndctrl_ | goxboxlive: another norwegian ;) hurrah... |
| 21:30.03 | rob_w | oh yeah it is |
| 21:30.17 | rob_w | haha |
| 21:30.32 | mndctrl_ | goxboxlive: I'm from Sadnes, where you from? |
| 21:30.39 | mndctrl_ | Sandnes ;) |
| 21:30.55 | mndctrl_ | lol ;) |
| 21:31.08 | mndctrl_ | the place to meet new friends ;) |
| 21:31.08 | goxboxlive | Oslo, men bor for tiden i Trøndelag |
| 21:31.15 | mndctrl_ | ah ;) kult.. |
| 21:31.49 | rob_w | how much is it in norway ? |
| 21:32.06 | goxboxlive | how far am i when it's only generating locales? |
| 21:32.48 | rob_w | from the bootstrap ?? i guess 1 / 3 if at all |
| 21:33.09 | goxboxlive | about 8500-9000 NKR ( 1000+ euro) |
| 21:33.19 | rob_w | 1000+ ? |
| 21:33.20 | goxboxlive | ohh , man |
| 21:33.31 | rob_w | good lord |
| 21:33.56 | rob_w | that screams for competition ! |
| 21:34.31 | goxboxlive | about 1050 euros without a contract |
| 21:34.43 | mndctrl_ | idedata sells it for 8238,- NOK to be exact.. |
| 21:36.05 | cr2 | hi guys |
| 21:36.09 | mndctrl_ | too much for me :/ I got my ba for about a third of that... |
| 21:36.19 | mndctrl_ | hey cr2... |
| 21:36.46 | cr2 | i have read on xda-dev that you can get it for 477 euro in Holland. |
| 21:37.33 | rob_w | its at 399 £ on ebay uk |
| 21:37.47 | cr2 | i payed about 650, but it was a half a year ago. |
| 21:38.19 | cr2 | well, ebay. i will never buy such an expensive toy on ebay ;-) |
| 21:38.24 | mndctrl_ | how is the keyboard on the universal? is it at all usable? |
| 21:38.41 | cr2 | it is great mechanically. |
| 21:38.51 | cr2 | i have problems with the german layout. |
| 21:39.08 | rob_w | this pricing might be the reason why it is not listed in germany ... poor us |
| 21:39.10 | cr2 | loadkeys should probably solve the problem. |
| 21:39.41 | cr2 | rob_w: ? t-mob does not sell it anymore ? |
| 21:40.47 | cr2 | huh. 719,95 € ohne Vertrag |
| 21:41.47 | rob_w | do they have the black one ? |
| 21:42.02 | cr2 | no. |
| 21:42.15 | rob_w | black is mine |
| 21:42.43 | cr2 | then you should import jasjar or how it is called. |
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| 21:43.41 | rob_w | cr2, who is jasjar ? |
| 21:44.30 | cr2 | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal |
| 21:46.31 | rob_w | is the guy who did this wiki ? |
| 21:47.24 | cr2 | ? |
| 21:47.40 | rob_w | hehe , proost |
| 22:00.17 | goxboxlive | rob_w: Your bootstrap worked great, i just added the Univeral's modules and added and deleted some other stuff. Now i am going to try to get on net via usb0 |
| 22:04.54 | rob_w | sounds good |
| 22:06.04 | goxboxlive | ohh man the bitkke is still generating locales |
| 22:07.07 | rob_w | yeah |
| 22:07.53 | goxboxlive | and i have installed 'ccache' |
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| 22:16.02 | goxboxlive | familiar has a new release : http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.4-rc1/feed/ |
| 22:17.17 | rob_w | nice |
| 22:17.53 | cr2 | does not help very much. our patches are not there, so we need to build everything ourselves. |
| 22:19.03 | cr2 | even the blueangel is not in the machine list. |
| 22:21.10 | goxboxlive | why is that cr2? |
| 22:21.22 | goxboxlive | why not the blueangel? |
| 22:21.38 | cr2 | because we are lazy ;) |
| 22:24.31 | rob_w | hehe |
| 22:25.08 | rob_w | no no that is not the reason but blueangel and all others didnt make it in the release tag ... they are in the .dev tree ! |
| 22:29.13 | goxboxlive | rob_w: Oh man it failed : NOTE: Multiple libraries (libnss_hesiod.so.2, libnss_nis.so.2, libnss_nisplus.so.2) found and LEAD_SONAME not defined |
| 22:30.57 | rob_w | hmm .. |
| 22:31.08 | rob_w | then you need to declare one of those a preferred |
| 22:31.51 | rob_w | seems that boostrap-image misses that .. or it is normally provide in the MACHINE.conf and blueangel.conf misses it for bootstrap-images |
| 22:32.08 | rob_w | but i need sleep for today , cu |
