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| 01:12.53 | cp15 | Good night |
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| 03:09.14 | ben017f | anyone here? |
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| 09:36.50 | cp15 | Good morning |
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| 09:53.50 | JuNuKN | ~seen llange |
| 09:53.56 | apt | llange <n=llange@lange.nom.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-blueangel, 11d 11h 4m 58s ago, saying: 'no probs. =)'. |
| 10:03.10 | rob_w | JuNuKN, i ve his email ,.,, wanna have ? |
| 10:06.07 | JuNuKN | No, thanks, I have it too. I want to check whether I didn't missed some discussions with him, regarding Himalaya |
| 10:08.59 | JuNuKN | I read in the Logs, that he was able to port 2.6.12 kernel (is this from newer discussions with him?), but I am mainley interested whether he made some progress in the SD-card access on Himalaya |
| 10:23.18 | rob_w | ok |
| 10:27.12 | JuNuKN | Do you think, - that a linux beginner (me) is able to adapt the SD driver from BA to himalaya? |
| 10:27.40 | JuNuKN | With help (advices) from the community here!? |
| 10:34.43 | cp15 | I think it is worth a try. You can always learn something |
| 10:35.15 | cp15 | But I would first ask llange whether he is working on it. Two people working on the same thing is not really useful |
| 10:50.24 | rob_w | cp15, your initrd ,, do i need to specify boot_mmc and init 5 to fully start through ? |
| 10:52.29 | cp15 | init 5? |
| 10:52.54 | cp15 | Don't think so. The init in the gpe image should do that automatically |
| 10:58.14 | rob_w | but boot_mmc |
| 10:59.39 | rob_w | brb |
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| 11:10.34 | rob_w | hmm my fresh image now carry`s lib/modules/2.6.12-hh2 and 2.6.12-hh2-xda0-ba0 |
| 11:14.35 | rob_w | ok i ve compiled the new kernel ,, will test it after lunch ( if it ever arrives ) |
| 12:26.00 | JuNuKN | Sorry CP15 I was away for a while, ... and now again for half an hour or so,- I will come again and check it with llange via email. With OE I am aón a point, where I need some configuration help. I'll ask later. |
| 13:44.26 | immolo | cp15, you around? |
| 13:47.21 | cp15 | Yes |
| 13:48.00 | cp15 | What is your status regarding oe? |
| 13:48.44 | cp15 | I have already given the job to work on the image to lkcl, since it was a real blocker |
| 13:49.08 | cp15 | But maybe you and lkcl could work together |
| 13:49.41 | immolo | well I need to re do monotone but building an image will only take me 12 hours |
| 13:50.01 | immolo | but I would be more then happy to work with lkcl |
| 13:51.50 | immolo | what has he managed so far? |
| 13:52.23 | cp15 | Ok, fine, then look at his oe patch at http://www.hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel.gpe.patch |
| 13:55.03 | immolo | much cleaner then my way :P |
| 13:56.04 | immolo | I'll update monotone and talk to him later see what we can do |
| 13:56.14 | cp15 | He is not here today |
| 13:56.26 | cp15 | But maybe we can improve his patch together |
| 13:59.15 | immolo | yeah,my stuff was just uploaded to the main tree |
| 13:59.38 | immolo | but I never got time to upload my lastest stuff before all this stuff happened |
| 14:02.47 | immolo | damn I've just got to say wine0.9.2 is great |
| 14:04.33 | cp15 | Yeah? I think there is still lot of stuff which doesn't work. But the autosetup works quite nice |
| 14:05.12 | immolo | I only use one app and it works very well with this realse |
| 14:05.25 | immolo | ok it's still not 100% but I can use it |
| 14:06.20 | immolo | one day there will be a native binary newsgroup leecher for linux though |
| 14:08.36 | rob_w | crap , ive unresolved symbols in g_ether |
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| 14:38.44 | jn | ~seen JuNuKN |
| 14:38.52 | apt | junukn is currently on #htc-blueangel (4h 45m 15s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 2h 12m 52s |
| 15:20.37 | jn | Can someone help with OE configuration stuff now? |
| 15:20.53 | jn | Its me JuNuKN, ... |
| 15:21.19 | cp15 | Where is your problem? |
| 15:21.41 | jn | I updated now everything from bitabke and now trying to configure. |
| 15:22.06 | jn | Personal config now asks for the BB file ... |
| 15:22.39 | jn | BBFILES := |
| 15:24.02 | jn | Dont know, which are the ones, needed for BA or himalaya |
| 15:24.31 | cp15 | BBFILES = ".../org.openembedded.dev/packages/*/*.bb" |
| 15:24.44 | cp15 | Replace ... with the path to org.openembedded.dev |
| 15:25.36 | jn | All ? Ahh ? I don't understand it!? I thougth there should be one or a view for BA specific!? |
| 15:26.17 | cp15 | Yes, all (but dont expand the *s, bitbake will do it) |
| 15:26.39 | cp15 | You have to specify MACHINE = "blueangel" |
| 15:26.45 | cp15 | and then do a bitbake gpe-image |
| 15:27.15 | cp15 | gpe-image then depends on all bbs which are needed for blueangel |
| 15:28.07 | jn | ahhh, OK I will try for BA first ... and for himalaya ? |
| 15:29.31 | cp15 | Hmm.... If you want to build a image specific for himalaya, create a conf/machine/himalaya.conf |
| 15:29.47 | cp15 | Use blueangel.conf as a template |
| 15:30.24 | cp15 | Also do a find org.openembedded.dev -type f | xargs grep -i blueangel and check every reference whether you need to add himalaya |
| 15:30.44 | jn | OK, I will look for the contetn of the config file later and do first a BA try. The rest of parameters should be left as default? |
| 15:31.01 | cp15 | I will check |
| 15:31.37 | jn | BBMASK should be empty I think. |
| 15:31.49 | cp15 | Yes |
| 15:32.12 | cp15 | immolo, are you still here? |
| 15:33.23 | jn | Ill modify the Temp-Dir also to subfolder of "stuff" |
| 15:34.19 | cp15 | I haven't set TMPDIR |
| 15:35.02 | jn | What with distro ? |
| 15:35.41 | jn | KERNEL_VERSION ? |
| 15:36.12 | jn | IMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar" correct as default ? |
| 15:36.18 | cp15 | DISTRO = "familiar" |
| 15:36.46 | cp15 | Don't use KERNEL_VERSION |
| 15:36.52 | cp15 | IMAGE_FSTYPES is ok |
| 15:37.01 | jn | OK, so i will set distro to familar! (without special version!) |
| 15:38.13 | jn | CVS_TARBALL_STASH ? |
| 15:40.22 | jn | OK, I have removed this line to always fetch from CVS |
| 15:40.49 | cp15 | CVS_TARBALL_STASH = "http://www.oesources.org/source/current/" |
| 15:41.05 | cp15 | Some cvses are not working, so better keep it |
| 15:41.32 | jn | ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf |
| 15:42.30 | cp15 | Have you set the environment variable BBPATH? |
| 15:43.49 | jn | Don' remember whether I really did an install or only a "copy" |
| 15:45.22 | cp15 | set BBPATH to <path to your private conf>:<path-to-org.openembedded.dev>/conf |
| 15:47.00 | jn | export BBPATH=/oe/build/conf:/oe/org.openembedded.dev/conf |
| 15:47.44 | jn | same error |
| 15:49.16 | cp15 | Sorry, mistake... Remove the final conf of both |
| 15:50.53 | jn | OK I found out how Iit works a littel bit more: let away the export and do a BBPATH=/home/jn/oe/build:/home/jn/oe/org.openembedded.dev |
| 15:51.20 | jn | ERROR: Remove this line or set a dummy DISTRO_VERSION if you really want to build an unversioned distro |
| 15:51.20 | jn | NOTE: exceptions.SystemExit:1 while evaluating: |
| 15:51.20 | jn | ${@bb.data.getVar("DISTRO_VERSION",d,1) or bb.fatal('Remove this line or set a dummy DISTRO_VERSION if you really want to build an unversioned distro')} |
| 15:55.01 | cp15 | I have set DISTRO_VERSION to own, but I don't really know what it should be set |
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| 16:49.25 | JuNuKN | Hey CP15, here I am again (from Win-Machine). |
| 16:51.00 | JuNuKN | Have a problem now with my linux machine. BB leads to shuting down my machine with an error message. I restarted it and it reported failures in inodes. After fsck now I have kernel panic! |
| 16:53.02 | JuNuKN | I think I have to reformate it again and install everything from scratch! |
| 16:56.51 | JuNuKN | Don't know what is wrong with this machine. I have it months ago, as I tried to compile the DBOx2 stuff !? I 'll give it up for today. |
| 16:57.59 | JuNuKN | seems, that everything is now in lost and found! |
| 16:58.27 | JuNuKN | By everybody |
| 16:59.29 | iclem | hi all |
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| 17:07.59 | radek | Hello |
| 17:09.53 | radek | can I install linux on MDAIII and would I be able to make calls |
| 17:09.55 | radek | ? |
| 17:12.53 | cp15 | radek: Yes, you can |
| 17:13.09 | cp15 | But consider it as alpha-beta |
| 17:14.28 | radek | i got experience with linux but not with porting it to PDA |
| 17:14.46 | cp15 | Do you want to give it a try? |
| 17:15.04 | radek | yeah |
| 17:15.29 | cp15 | You need an SD/MMC card of at minimum 128 MB and, if possible a card reader connected to a linux machine |
| 17:16.07 | radek | okey |
| 17:16.57 | radek | but will I be able than to make calls |
| 17:17.07 | radek | within linux |
| 17:17.09 | radek | ? |
| 17:17.11 | cp15 | Yes |
| 17:18.17 | cp15 | But battery lifetime in standby is too short currently (~ 18 Hours). It will be probably fixed this year :-) |
| 17:18.42 | radek | so thats grate should I do it this way http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel |
| 17:19.03 | cp15 | Yes, follow the "Installation Instructions" |
| 17:19.15 | radek | there are some installation instruction |
| 17:19.44 | cp15 | If you are stuck, encounter any problems or find the instructions misleading or unprecise, please tell me and update the instructions |
| 17:21.44 | radek | okey so if I follow the instruction I end up with linux and GPE environment ? |
| 17:21.51 | cp15 | Yes |
| 17:22.16 | cp15 | But only on SD card, so you can go back to windows any time |
| 17:22.35 | radek | but is it stable enough to use |
| 17:22.49 | cp15 | I use it |
| 17:23.05 | radek | :-) |
| 17:23.11 | cp15 | But I have to say it is not perfect yet |
| 17:23.18 | cp15 | But you might help to improve it |
| 17:23.51 | radek | whta are the problems |
| 17:25.16 | cp15 | The phone gui is a bit too simple, the apps need to be improved, there are still a few missing drivers (DOC, WLAN and Camera) and existing drivers do not yet cover everything (no headset, for example) |
| 17:26.23 | radek | I'll give it a try hopefuly it''s gonna work thanks for help |
| 17:27.25 | cp15 | If not, just ask |
| 17:27.57 | radek | sorry one more question is wi-fi working ? |
| 17:28.09 | cp15 | Not yet |
| 17:30.28 | radek | ok thaks |
| 17:39.19 | iclem | hello cp1. Is battery charging on blueangel ? |
| 17:41.20 | iclem | I've done a "diskless" install on himalaya (with tmpfs & nfs) but once linux is up, the battery cannot be charged |
| 17:46.37 | cp15 | iclem: There is one bit which enables the charger (normally it is enabled) |
| 17:47.05 | cp15 | The battery charging itself works independent of the cpu |
| 17:51.24 | iclem | ok thanks |
| 17:52.00 | iclem | one more question: are the BA screenshots done using scap ? |
| 17:52.48 | iclem | my screeshots are strange http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3731.png |
| 17:58.43 | cp15 | you have to ask rob, he did it |
| 18:10.22 | _bob_w | what ? |
| 18:11.18 | _bob_w | oh , yeah this is another section .. we need blueangel support for scap |
| 18:11.28 | _bob_w | but that is not that difficult. |
| 18:12.35 | iclem | _bob_w: how do you manage to do your nice screenshots ? |
| 18:15.29 | _bob_w | there is a way to make them by hand |
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| 18:16.30 | rob_w | http://handhelds.org/scap/ has the instructions on top |
| 18:17.59 | iclem | yes i've done them this way |
| 18:18.55 | rob_w | err ,, was long ago but it looks you used the wrong video parameters or so |
| 18:25.23 | rob_w | need to sleep , my kids are ill |
| 18:25.25 | rob_w | sorry |
| 18:29.58 | iclem | nop, hope they will get better |
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| 18:34.19 | ben0f | hi, is anyone active? |
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| 18:38.10 | rob_w | re |
| 18:38.12 | rob_w | my wife takes care |
| 18:38.21 | rob_w | so off we go for a new kernel |
| 18:45.30 | rob_w | lcd crap |
| 18:46.06 | ben0f | hi, can u give me some pointers how to log in... usbnet doesn't give me a usb0 insterface... |
| 18:46.49 | rob_w | what is the ba lcd ? |
| 18:47.02 | rob_w | what do you see on your screen |
| 18:48.25 | rob_w | or does your host have the usb device under /proc/bus/usb/devices ? |
| 18:49.31 | ben0f | i have ser_stuart_gpio_config 1 as the last line in the boot sequence... |
| 18:50.49 | rob_w | did you boot while yoiu where in the docking station ? do you see usb stuff on the lcd messages ? |
| 18:51.08 | ben0f | what should the usb device look like in /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 18:51.33 | cp15 | Something with ipaq |
| 18:51.47 | ben0f | i have usb0 : Ethernet gadget, version: Equinox 2004... and then another couple of lines |
| 18:51.57 | cp15 | Looks good |
| 18:52.26 | cp15 | Do you also have a line which tells something about 100mA? |
| 18:52.26 | ben0f | so how do i log in... on my laptop i cant do ifconfig usb0? |
| 18:53.24 | cp15 | Do you have a usb0? |
| 18:53.26 | ben0f | i can't see a line that says that... might have scrolled up the screen. |
| 18:53.30 | rob_w | wait a minute ??? |
| 18:53.39 | ben0f | no, ifconfig -a doesn't give it |
| 18:53.52 | cp15 | Have you already tried to disconnect and reconnect your usb connection? |
| 18:55.20 | ben0f | i'm just rebooting now... |
| 18:55.36 | ben0f | YES!!! i have usb0! |
| 18:57.45 | ben0f | ok, i'm logged in! how do i startx etc? |
| 18:57.48 | rob_w | did you build and use already your last check in `s ? |
| 18:58.22 | ben0f | rob_w: i don't know... i just used everything off the website |
| 18:58.39 | rob_w | sorry that was meant for cp15 |
| 18:58.50 | ben0f | oh ok :) |
| 18:58.54 | rob_w | ben0f, did you prepare your sd card ? |
| 18:59.33 | ben0f | yeah... i have some probs with the ext3 fs... mounting on the host hangs sometimes but fsck is ok... |
| 19:00.03 | cp15 | do you have boot_mmc=y in /proc/cmdline ? |
| 19:00.39 | ben0f | no, what does that do? |
| 19:00.52 | ben0f | mineroot=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk_size=14336 keepinitrd console=tty0 reads: |
| 19:01.01 | cp15 | That tells the initrd that you want to boot from sd |
| 19:01.30 | ben0f | ah right... can i do it from the commandline? |
| 19:01.54 | rob_w | you should be able to just execute /linuxrc.mmc |
| 19:01.57 | cp15 | yes, mount your first sd partition and vi /mnt/linux/startup.txt |
| 19:01.58 | ben0f | i don't have any entries in /proc/partitions |
| 19:02.08 | cp15 | oh... Just a moment |
| 19:02.27 | cp15 | modproble asic3_mmc |
| 19:02.31 | cp15 | modprobe mmc_block |
| 19:02.33 | rob_w | cp15, the latest lcd patch looks strange , isnt it ? |
| 19:02.46 | cp15 | Which lcd patch? |
| 19:02.51 | ben0f | FATAL: Module asic_mmc not found |
| 19:03.04 | cp15 | asic3_mmc |
| 19:03.05 | ben0f | ok asic3 worked! |
| 19:03.09 | ben0f | DOH! |
| 19:03.21 | cp15 | And then load mmc_block and you should get your partitions |
| 19:03.49 | ben0f | yeah cool, it worked... now just run linuxrc.mmc? |
| 19:04.32 | cp15 | No |
| 19:04.55 | cp15 | mount /dev/mmc/blk0/part1 /mnt |
| 19:05.01 | cp15 | vi /mnt/linux/startup.txt |
| 19:05.31 | cp15 | add the boot_mmc=y to set CMDLINE |
| 19:05.58 | ben0f | cp15: does that have to go at the end or doesn't it matter? |
| 19:06.04 | cp15 | Doesn't matter |
| 19:06.16 | cp15 | don't forget to issue a sync when done |
| 19:07.21 | cp15 | then tell me if grep button /linuxrc gives you a message about 2 seconds |
| 19:07.37 | cp15 | If yes, I will make boot_mmc=y the default setting |
| 19:07.54 | cp15 | And if you want to get into the ramdisk, you have to press ok |
| 19:09.17 | ben0f | grep button /linuxrc gives nothing... |
| 19:09.43 | cp15 | Ok, then I have to update the initrd... |
| 19:09.47 | ben0f | do i have to reboot? |
| 19:09.49 | cp15 | Thanks for the information |
| 19:10.04 | ben0f | no worries, thanks for the help!! :) |
| 19:10.11 | cp15 | is your second partition named /dev/mmc/blk0/part2? |
| 19:10.31 | ben0f | major minor #blocks name |
| 19:10.32 | ben0f | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.32 | ben0f | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.32 | ben0f | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.38 | cp15 | Ok, then reboot |
| 19:10.48 | ben0f | ok, fingers x'ed!! |
| 19:11.00 | cp15 | You should see a familiar splash screen shortly after the boot |
| 19:11.29 | cp15 | It will stay for some minutes because the first boot takes some time (all installed packages get configured) |
| 19:12.32 | ben0f | WOO HOOO!! it's working! |
| 19:12.37 | ben0f | :D |
| 19:26.58 | cp15 | What happend now? |
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| 19:30.05 | ben0f | welcome back cp15 :) |
| 19:30.06 | cp15 | Looks like a netsplit |
| 19:30.07 | rob_w | not for me ;-) |
| 19:30.11 | cp15 | ben0f: Did it work? |
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| 19:32.08 | cp15 | Oh no, not again |
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| 19:33.41 | cp15 | freenode.net looks a bit instable today |
| 19:33.43 | ben0f | not quite, touchscreen doesn't work :( |
| 19:33.46 | ben0f | i seem to have lost usb0 too...? |
| 19:34.00 | cp15 | Which kernel, which initrd and which gpe-image have you used? |
| 19:34.06 | ben0f | i'm using version 4 i think... |
| 19:34.07 | cp15 | Have you all three downloaded from gnulinux.biz? |
| 19:34.07 | rob_w | cp15, how do i leave a getty running on the main console ? |
| 19:34.11 | ben0f | no from http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel |
| 19:34.41 | rob_w | bn |
| 19:34.52 | rob_w | ben0f, http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/ is your friend right now ! |
| 19:35.36 | ben0f | ok, i'll check it out... my SD card has just quit on me so i'm gonna dd if=/dev/zero t again :/ |
| 19:37.01 | cp15 | If you have done it recently (following the Install Instructions), it should be ok |
| 19:38.54 | ben0f | the partitions don't show up in /proc/partitions when i put it in the reader |
| 19:39.42 | cp15 | If you have done the dd from zero to the card, then yes |
| 19:44.13 | ben0f | i think my card reader might have just quit on me!! :( |
| 19:45.07 | ben0f | ok, gonna reboot brb |
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| 19:55.17 | ben0f | ok, i got my SD card back :) |
| 19:55.41 | cp15 | Do you want to wait a few minutes? |
| 19:55.58 | cp15 | Then I will bring everything on gnulinux.biz up to date |
| 19:56.17 | ben0f | ok. |
| 19:56.56 | cp15 | Hope it will get better and not worse :-) |
| 19:57.55 | ben0f | ok... should i have been using gre-be.tar.gz or gpe-image.tar.gz? |
| 19:59.26 | cp15 | gpe-ba.tar.gz |
| 19:59.35 | cp15 | gpe-ba.tar.bz |
| 19:59.55 | ben0f | ok, i'll try with that! |
| 20:00.06 | cp15 | Have you used gpe-image? |
| 20:00.38 | ben0f | that's what i was using before and the touchscreen wasn't working... |
| 20:01.19 | cp15 | Probably. It is an old version |
| 20:01.41 | cp15 | Hmm... Try with gpe-ba.tar.gz |
| 20:01.57 | cp15 | A new version will take some time, my link to gnulinux.biz is slow |
| 20:02.12 | ben0f | ok, just replaced it with gpe-ba and i'll try that! |
| 20:02.28 | cp15 | Maybe it is overloaded with all the BA users downloading linux :-) |
| 20:02.47 | cp15 | You have to delete the old content on the second partition |
| 20:03.21 | ben0f | yeah i did :) |
| 20:03.54 | ben0f | well, if it works i'll be spreading the word so expect more!! :) |
| 20:05.01 | cp15 | Well I think first we have to improve the installation process, or we will be overwhelmed by disappointed users failing to install linux |
| 20:05.25 | rob_w | yeah we have 11 people here right now !! not bad |
| 20:05.38 | ben0f | like me! it didn't work again :( |
| 20:05.58 | ben0f | touchscreen still isn't working.. |
| 20:06.35 | cp15 | Hmm... Can you show me a ls -l of linux on your sd card? |
| 20:07.43 | ben0f | root@Tablet:/mnt/hde6 # ls -l |
| 20:07.43 | ben0f | total 17 |
| 20:07.44 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 2048 2005-11-13 11:08 bin |
| 20:07.44 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-11-13 11:08 boot |
| 20:07.44 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-11-03 03:26 dev |
| 20:07.44 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 39 root root 2048 1994-09-03 00:03 etc |
| 20:07.47 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 1024 2005-11-13 11:08 home |
| 20:07.48 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 1024 2005-11-03 04:29 lib |
| 20:07.52 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 1024 2005-11-13 11:08 media |
| 20:07.54 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-11-03 03:26 mnt |
| 20:07.56 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-11-16 06:11 oldroot |
| 20:07.58 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-11-03 03:26 proc |
| 20:08.00 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 2048 2005-11-13 11:08 sbin |
| 20:08.01 | cp15 | No, I meant the first partition |
| 20:08.02 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-11-03 03:26 sys |
| 20:08.04 | ben0f | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 1994-09-03 00:01 tmp -> /var/tmp |
| 20:08.06 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 1024 2005-11-16 14:17 usr |
| 20:08.08 | ben0f | drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 1024 2005-11-03 05:35 var |
| 20:08.10 | ben0f | sorry wrong one... hold on! |
| 20:08.31 | ben0f | root@Tablet:/mnt/hde5 # ls -l linux/ |
| 20:08.31 | ben0f | total 5712 |
| 20:08.31 | ben0f | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 242176 2005-12-11 18:14 haret.exe |
| 20:08.31 | ben0f | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4742515 2005-12-11 18:14 initrd-2.6.12-hh2.gz-4 |
| 20:08.31 | ben0f | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 191 2005-12-12 09:01 startup.txt |
| 20:08.32 | ben0f | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 861244 2005-12-11 18:14 zImage-2.6.12-hh2-4 |
| 20:08.53 | cp15 | Ah... You used the wrong initrd and zImage |
| 20:09.08 | ben0f | oh... whic one should i use? |
| 20:09.19 | cp15 | Download them from http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/ |
| 20:09.27 | cp15 | Hope you get a better connection than I |
| 20:10.21 | ben0f | are they the same as on the handhelds.org website or are they updated? |
| 20:11.04 | rob_w | let me update the wiki |
| 20:11.25 | cp15 | They are updated |
| 20:12.04 | rob_w | hmm right ?!? |
| 20:13.02 | ben0f | cool... just downloading now! |
| 20:13.40 | ben0f | do i need to ssh in again or can i add the boot_mmc=y to startup.txt straight away? |
| 20:13.52 | cp15 | Remember to update startup.txt if you used other names then before |
| 20:14.04 | cp15 | No, the ssh step is not really necessary |
| 20:14.18 | cp15 | I will update the files so it will be in the default startup.txt soon |
| 20:14.45 | cp15 | ben0f: Do you have experience in linux development? |
| 20:15.11 | ben0f | not really... i tend to just try everything till it works!! ;) |
| 20:15.41 | cp15 | Hmm... I am still looking for somebody who can make a little installation system |
| 20:16.13 | cp15 | It should work like this: Download a few files to your sd card, tap on haret and answer a few simple questions |
| 20:18.06 | cp15 | iclem: Nice, what did you do to get the snapshots fixed? |
| 20:19.04 | ben0f | what are you gonna write it in? (i only really know python) |
| 20:19.38 | cp15 | shell script I would say |
| 20:19.55 | cp15 | python is probably a bit too much overhead for the initrd |
| 20:20.31 | ben0f | yeah... how would the setup work, what questions would you need to ask? |
| 20:21.02 | rob_w | cp15, wow that kinda setup u want ... |
| 20:21.39 | cp15 | Ok, first question is about repartitioning the sd card for the linux partition |
| 20:22.15 | cp15 | some users might want a small dos partition and a big linux partition, others the other way round |
| 20:22.50 | cp15 | I am copying parted to the initrd, so it is possible to resize a existing dos partition |
| 20:23.27 | cp15 | Next question is whether the user wants an autostart (linux starts as soon as the sd card is inserted or the customization process begins) |
| 20:23.59 | ben0f | surely u have to have two partitions to start with (for the fs..)? |
| 20:24.02 | cp15 | Then the script needs to mkfs the second partition and untar gpe-ba on it |
| 20:24.27 | ben0f | this is to run inside the BA or on linux host? |
| 20:24.34 | cp15 | inside the ba |
| 20:24.56 | cp15 | You shouldn't need a linux host to get the BA working with linux |
| 20:25.01 | rob_w | hehe , we could use the keyboard and some bash menus ! |
| 20:25.24 | rob_w | but then we wanna have a console running ! |
| 20:25.29 | ben0f | oh i see... |
| 20:25.41 | cp15 | The keyboard is a bad choice if we want it to be compatible for himalaya |
| 20:25.56 | rob_w | arrg |
| 20:26.04 | rob_w | we dont want ! |
| 20:26.28 | ben0f | cp15: it was boot_mmc=y to add to startup.txt wasn't it? |
| 20:26.53 | rob_w | without any buttonas you will need to run the touchscreen ?! and X ?? |
| 20:27.43 | cp15 | Yes |
| 20:28.28 | rob_w | hehe so you need a even smaller gpe image in the ramdisk ... i like that |
| 20:29.38 | cp15 | I thought about something like this: |
| 20:30.11 | cp15 | Do you really want to install Linux? Press Windows button to abort, ok button to continue |
| 20:30.45 | rob_w | stop |
| 20:30.57 | cp15 | Your sd card will be repartitioned, press ok for the default setup (first partition 32 MB), press windows to change settings |
| 20:31.09 | rob_w | lets aks : " Do you reallly wanna go on using Windows ?! yes : NO |
| 20:31.32 | cp15 | Ok :-) Yes, maybe we should do that |
| 20:31.43 | rob_w | hehe ,, |
| 20:32.05 | cp15 | Use volume up/down to adjust size of the first partition, press ok when done |
| 20:32.11 | rob_w | hey cp15 , i think we really should meet at one point . lets keep this in mind |
| 20:32.29 | cp15 | Repartitioning SD card |
| 20:32.36 | cp15 | Creating file system |
| 20:32.39 | cp15 | Installing Linux |
| 20:32.46 | cp15 | Please wait |
| 20:32.50 | cp15 | Installation complete |
| 20:33.06 | cp15 | Initiating boot, please be patient, may take a few minutes |
| 20:37.01 | iclem | cp15: For the screenshots, i have dumped /dev/fb0, and converted it with the scap utility (http://handhelds.org/scap/code/), giving the good resolution in params (h & w swaped) |
| 20:37.14 | rob_w | my modules_autoload still does not work grrr |
| 20:37.32 | ben0f | cp15: you are the man... it all works!!! :D |
| 20:38.03 | cp15 | rob_w: Do you get them in /etc/modutils? |
| 20:38.40 | rob_w | no update-modules fails my my side .. does find the first module |
| 20:38.50 | iclem | g2g, see you later |
| 20:39.13 | ben0f | damnit.. i spoke to soon, it just froze up! |
| 20:39.39 | rob_w | cp15, did you guys treated blueangel.conf furher more .. ? |
| 20:41.37 | cp15 | Don't know, there is a patch from lkcl at http://www.hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel.gpe.patch |
| 20:41.55 | cp15 | But I think except for gomunicator it is close to your submitted file |
| 20:42.43 | cp15 | ben0f: Did it happen during use? |
| 20:46.12 | ben0f | yeah, i changed the display settings but i rebooted and ok so far! |
| 20:50.09 | rob_w | cp15, gimme a example trigger for a blue led once per sec ?? |
| 20:52.49 | cp15 | Be careful with look and feel... It locks up gpe quite often |
| 20:53.04 | cp15 | rob_w: how long? |
| 20:53.12 | rob_w | uh =? |
| 20:53.22 | rob_w | ahm until i stop ! |
| 20:53.35 | ben0f | cp15: i'll remeber that!! |
| 20:54.20 | cp15 | No, how long should it burn every second? |
| 20:54.40 | rob_w | ah ,, alright |
| 20:54.50 | rob_w | well once per sec for one sec ?!? |
| 20:55.09 | cp15 | You mean always on? |
| 20:55.33 | cp15 | Ok, lets assume 100 milliseconds |
| 20:55.40 | cp15 | You can adjust your values as you like |
| 20:56.01 | cp15 | cd /sys/class/leds/blue |
| 20:56.07 | cp15 | echo 1000 >hw_cycle |
| 20:56.10 | cp15 | echo 100 >hw_duty |
| 20:56.16 | cp15 | echo 1 >brightness |
| 20:56.54 | cp15 | echo 500 >hw_duty |
| 20:56.59 | cp15 | echo 1 >brightness |
| 20:57.14 | cp15 | Oops... Sorry I thought this is a shell :-) |
| 20:58.05 | rob_w | what the f.. i miss blue ?!? |
| 20:58.22 | cp15 | Have you used the newest blueangel_leds? |
| 20:58.37 | rob_w | yeah that is the .biz one |
| 20:59.04 | cp15 | No, the blue leds are only in the cvs currently |
| 20:59.47 | rob_w | oh , the cvs gave me also other hassle today |
| 21:01.17 | cp15 | If you want to wait I will upload a new image, initrd and kernel in a few minutes (I hope...) |
| 21:02.21 | rob_w | now it blinks 1 sec and pauses 10 sec |
| 21:03.51 | cp15 | Really? Strange |
| 21:04.30 | rob_w | yeah it feels like we use decisecs as unit ?! |
| 21:05.10 | rob_w | 300 c and 20 d is like a normal gsm blinking from ppc |
| 21:05.57 | cp15 | Are you using the old blueangel_leds? In this there was no scaling factor |
| 21:06.08 | cp15 | So the values weren't milliseconds |
| 21:07.40 | rob_w | still using the current .biz one |
| 21:08.21 | cp15 | Ok, then divide the numbers by 8 |
| 21:08.29 | rob_w | ok so i will appriciate your today`s upload |
| 21:09.22 | rob_w | i just discussed on #gpe about the "tobe-defined" instance which triggers the led`s |
| 21:09.56 | cp15 | And what did they say? |
| 21:10.01 | rob_w | in the 2.4 fe they did hack htat into the serial driver .. so it was acuratly shown device -- no userspace app |
| 21:10.13 | ben0f | guys is there an easy way to import contacts into BA? |
| 21:10.24 | rob_w | therefore if a userspace app dies your leds will not be left over |
| 21:10.55 | cp15 | Hm... Theoretically you can scp them as vcard to your ba and use the import function |
| 21:11.11 | cp15 | But on my original device it doesn't work. Maybe it is fixed in the current version |
| 21:11.48 | rob_w | i will look into having the hci0 up fe. to trigger the blue ,, the keyboard i guess we should punch into the keyboard driver |
| 21:12.11 | cp15 | Yeah, sure, these are no userspace leds |
| 21:12.20 | ben0f | nothing like importing from a gnome program then? |
| 21:12.35 | rob_w | at least until other gpe `s are coming to use that |
| 21:12.56 | rob_w | and we have a show off |
| 21:13.05 | rob_w | blinking leds are magic ! |
| 21:13.13 | cp15 | But on the other hand the blue led should be easy to integrate into /etc/bluetooth/hciattach |
| 21:13.17 | ben0f | how bout the battery monitor... have u got that working? |
| 21:13.43 | cp15 | ben0f: Not yet... It is quite complicated |
| 21:14.01 | ben0f | i bet!! :) |
| 21:14.09 | rob_w | cp15, did you investigate the tsc2200 screw up ? |
| 21:14.14 | ben0f | GPRS? |
| 21:14.33 | cp15 | ben0f: If you are talking about synchronisation, there is opensync and gpe-opensync |
| 21:14.50 | cp15 | But it is nothing I would trust my valuable company addressbook right now |
| 21:15.06 | rob_w | hehe , but the crash on "look n feel" to turn on the shadows is really woth it !! next try you can enjoy a nice screeen |
| 21:15.30 | cp15 | GPRS should work, but a good user interface to activate it is missing |
| 21:16.05 | ben0f | he he!! i was talking about using GPRS to use gaim actually... is there anything like wvdial to set up a ppp session? |
| 21:16.55 | cp15 | You have to load blueangel_dpram and then use pppd nodetach debug noipdefault local ipcp-accept-local novj novjccomp /dev/tts/8 |
| 21:17.09 | rob_w | for the gsm leds we should use gomunicator to trigger them .. like we make a ui with "blinking profiles " .. so everybody can adjust their "toy" |
| 21:17.34 | cp15 | And you have to send AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","<your apn>","",0,0 and ATDT*99***1# to the at interpreter |
| 21:18.13 | cp15 | I think we need a dbus interface to gomunicator for this: gprs on and off |
| 21:20.04 | ben0f | whoa... i hardly understood a word of that (apart from AT+... i already have that working on my laptop!) :) i have alot to learn!! |
| 21:21.03 | cp15 | We have to make gprs a lot more userfriendly. But the basic things have priority right now |
| 21:23.44 | ben0f | sure! it'd be easier to login over ssh to sort all this out, but i can't get usb0 again...? i have usbnet and ipaq modprobed... |
| 21:25.40 | cp15 | Does lsusb show ID 049f:505a Compaq Computer Corp. SA-11x0 based Linux Device, or Itsy (experimental) |
| 21:26.22 | rob_w | inside a shell script can i there act on "kill to that script |
| 21:26.28 | ben0f | nope! |
| 21:26.50 | cp15 | Was your device connected to usb during boot? |
| 21:27.12 | cp15 | rob_w: Take a look at the trap function. But it doesn't work on kill -9 |
| 21:27.12 | rob_w | ok i am done for today .. cu |
| 21:27.19 | ben0f | yes it was |
| 21:27.31 | cp15 | Try to disconnect and reconnect |
| 21:28.06 | rob_w | thanks |
| 21:30.24 | ben0f | ok tried that... also loggedout and in... i haven't had usb0 since i rebooted with boot_mmc=y in startup.txt... |
| 21:30.54 | cp15 | Can you open a root shell on your BA? |
| 21:31.19 | cp15 | You have to use the screen keyboard, since some important keys on the pull-out-keyboard are not working |
| 21:31.59 | ben0f | yeah it's up and ifconfig shows usb0 in there.. |
| 21:32.47 | cp15 | do a rmmod g_ether, rmmod pxa2xx_udc ; modprobe g_ether ; ifup usb0 |
| 21:35.51 | ben0f | sorted, worked!! |
| 21:38.02 | cp15 | This is a strange bug. The usb, once disabled, doesn't recognize a new usb connection |
| 21:38.17 | ben0f | hmmm... |
| 21:38.59 | ben0f | i just went to do: pppd nodetach debug noipdefault local ipcp-accept-local novj novjccomp /dev/tts/8 and it said i had to: mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0 |
| 21:39.32 | cp15 | Just a moment, I will try also |
| 21:40.49 | cp15 | modprobe ppp_async |
| 21:41.10 | cp15 | Do you have a gprs flat? |
| 21:41.37 | ben0f | FATAL: Module ppp_async not found. what's a GRPS flat? |
| 21:41.48 | ben0f | *gprs i mean! |
| 21:42.28 | cp15 | find /lib/modules | grep ppp |
| 21:42.56 | cp15 | A flatrate, where you have to pay only a monthly fee, no matter how much time and traffic you have |
| 21:43.11 | ben0f | nyet, nada, zip! nothing! |
| 21:43.39 | ben0f | no i'm on a pay as u go plan and it's well expensive!! only want to get it working! |
| 21:43.41 | cp15 | Oops... Then you have to reinstall tomorrow :-( |
| 21:43.58 | cp15 | Then I will have the newest stuff out |
| 21:44.17 | ben0f | oh dear! what's missing? |
| 21:44.25 | cp15 | The ppp modules |
| 21:44.31 | cp15 | No ppp, no gprs |
| 21:45.50 | ben0f | ah right... will have to try port forwarding thru my laptop then! |
| 21:46.36 | cp15 | Might work, but is probably not easy to set up |
| 21:48.52 | ben0f | ah well, i'm only at work... it's not like i have anything important to do!!! |
| 21:49.55 | cp15 | You are already at work? Here it is still sunday |
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| 22:01.51 | ben0f | yeah, monday dayshift!! |
| 22:02.00 | ben0f | i got it working!! :) |
| 22:02.24 | cp15 | :-) |
| 22:03.37 | ben-on-his-BA | i like this alot |
| 22:04.39 | cp15 | Oh no, that is not fair, I used the wrong image again :-( |
| 22:04.56 | ben0f | which one? |
| 22:06.11 | cp15 | A way to old one |
| 22:06.22 | cp15 | And I recognized it only after boot |
| 22:06.29 | cp15 | Since usb didn't work at all |
| 22:07.00 | cp15 | What are you working when you have so much time hacking your BA? |
| 22:07.06 | ben0f | oh dear! i'd like to get involved with this project... |
| 22:07.34 | ben0f | i'm a 3G network monitor for vodafone new zealand... the network is nice and well behaved :) |
| 22:08.07 | cp15 | Sounds interesting. And vodafone doesn't spend you a 3G phone then? |
| 22:08.35 | ben0f | no, i'm a contractor... i get fuck all! ;) |
| 22:09.58 | cp15 | How many G3 users does nz have? |
| 22:10.08 | cp15 | 3G I mean |
| 22:10.41 | ben0f | not that many... about 17000 i think! |
| 22:12.31 | cp15 | That really isn't much. There aren't much here also (way under 1 million). The network operators wasted a lot of money on the UMTS license. They payed about 100 billion US-$ just for the licenses |
| 22:13.39 | ben0f | yeah same in the UK!! they'll have to push it just to break even!!! |
| 22:15.11 | cp15 | In germany they have to make over 1000 US-$ from every person. Sounds impossible to me |
| 22:17.02 | ben0f | yeah sooner or later they'll get rid of GSM, just like they upgraded from analogue! |
| 22:17.57 | cp15 | So, now the image has booted again |
| 22:18.39 | ben0f | cool! what is the sync software i can use to sort out my contacts..? |
| 22:19.58 | cp15 | You need opensync (www.opensync.org) and gpe-sync (from handhelds cvs) |
| 22:20.05 | cp15 | But use it with care |
| 22:20.23 | cp15 | As all the rest from BA linux :-) |
| 22:22.40 | ben0f | ok... i'll have a go later! |
| 22:23.40 | cp15 | And I will go to bed soon |
| 22:30.50 | ben-on-his-BA | cool thaks sooo much for yr help |
| 22:32.23 | cp15 | You are welcome |
| 22:32.41 | iclem|away | Good night all |
| 22:36.53 | ben0f | if there's anything i can do to help with all my 'spare' time let me know... if i can i will!! |
| 22:39.09 | cp15 | Hmm... Maybe you could browse the Freesound Archive http://freesound.iua.upf.edu to find some good samples which can be used as ringtones |
| 22:39.35 | cp15 | Currently the only installed ringtone is "Silence". But with full volume :-))) |
| 22:40.04 | ben0f | ok, i'll have a look! |
| 22:41.51 | cp15 | But for today I have to go to bed |
| 22:41.55 | cp15 | CU |
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| 22:44.50 | rusi | anyone knowns if qtopia runs on the blueangel? |
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| 22:55.46 | lkcl | cp15: you are _banned_ from using dbus. |
| 22:56.12 | lkcl | if anyone sees cp15 before i do, tell him he's damn well banned from using dbus in gomunicator. |
| 22:56.39 | lkcl | i'll do a nice split of gomunicator into a gomunicatord, just like gpsd + gpsdrive. dbus is fucking awful. |
| 22:58.15 | ben0f | hi lkcl :) cp15 has just gone to n |
| 22:58.18 | ben0f | to bed |
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| 23:06.27 | bhima | What's wrong with dbus? |
| 23:07.16 | Jo1 | I have a couple of questions I hope someone can answer for me. |
| 23:07.57 | Jo1 | The installation instructions have a system installed on an SD card. With the PPC boot from this automatically? |
| 23:08.29 | Jo1 | Will removing the card and restarting the PPC boot the PPC OS? |
| 23:13.06 | bhima | The last instructions I saw involved manual booting into linux. |
| 23:13.54 | Jo1 | The only thing the instruction seem to say is : "STEP 5. Now boot linux by inserting the SD-Card into the BlueAngel. DONE!" |
| 23:14.13 | bhima | Ahh. URL? |
| 23:14.21 | Jo1 | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel |
| 23:14.39 | Jo1 | Seen the same page at another site as well |
| 23:14.44 | bhima | autorun is the magic file. |
| 23:15.05 | bhima | That's an accurate description. |
| 23:15.09 | Jo1 | Ohh |
| 23:15.25 | bhima | It executes autorun on insert, I believe. |
| 23:15.29 | Jo1 | You don't restart the PPC :) |
| 23:15.43 | Jo1 | Didn't read properly hehe |
| 23:15.54 | bhima | Right. You just start executing anotehr OS and totally ignore the existing DRAM and OS and stuff. |
| 23:16.07 | Jo1 | And this will in no way change the currently installed firmware? |
| 23:17.07 | Jo1 | Is the other OS stilling running with LIux on top? Or is memory completely emptied requiring a reboot to get into PPC OS again? |
| 23:17.19 | Jo1 | Linux... |
| 23:18.09 | bhima | DRAM is totally wiped, so PPC thinks the device was wiped. |
| 23:18.40 | Jo1 | ok. So reboot and I'm back in PPC OS then... |
| 23:19.03 | Jo1 | Almost dual boot :D |
| 23:19.21 | bhima | Yup. Unless they hid something sneaky in there that I didn't see. But making it genuinely boot into linux is very hard. |
| 23:20.19 | Jo1 | would require creating a Linux firmware, I assume, unless it was possible to configure the device to get it's OS from the SD card.....not sure that would be possible |
| 23:20.39 | Jo1 | but would be nice. |
| 23:21.34 | Jo1 | gotta get to bed. Thanks for the answers |
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