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| 03:03.46 | *** topic/#htc-blueangel is HTC BlueAngel is still under development ! Feel free to ask and check also -> http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelResearch | http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/ channel chat logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23htc-blueangel/ * http://www.userfriendly.org/ * |
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| 08:25.44 | rob_w-cgi | hellp apt |
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| 08:47.30 | cp15 | Good morning |
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| 10:49.50 | oho_ | Good morning |
| 10:50.40 | cp15 | Hi oho |
| 11:01.35 | oho_ | hi cp15 |
| 15:26.07 | cp15 | Oh no, soon I will be alone |
| 15:26.26 | cp15 | ~say But I am here |
| 15:26.27 | apt | But I am here |
| 15:26.34 | cp15 | At least |
| 15:27.58 | oho | and me ;-) |
| 15:28.30 | oho | I am just writing down which commands fall into which category |
| 15:28.58 | oho | once I am finished I will send you the list to double check |
| 15:31.04 | cp15 | AT commands or gomunicator functions? |
| 15:31.54 | oho | AT commands |
| 15:32.17 | oho | and what we have to do in respond to them |
| 15:32.51 | cp15 | Then please extend the wiki at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelGSM |
| 15:33.11 | cp15 | if it fits in there |
| 15:33.37 | oho | this is where I am getting the meaning of the AT commands from |
| 15:33.51 | oho | once finished I will put the list up there |
| 15:36.26 | cp15 | It doesn't have to be really finished. Often other people see someone working on a page and contribute |
| 15:36.46 | oho | ok - will do |
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| 15:47.56 | oho | Hi _cronos_ |
| 15:53.39 | _cronos_ | hi |
| 15:59.37 | cp15 | Hi _cronos_, since you got your BA sucessfully installed, is there any project related to the BA where you want to help? |
| 16:01.32 | _cronos_ | if i can help :p |
| 16:01.43 | _cronos_ | say me |
| 16:03.08 | cp15 | Well, what experience do you have? |
| 16:03.21 | _cronos_ | i am a programmer :p |
| 16:03.26 | _cronos_ | in windows platform |
| 16:03.28 | cp15 | In which area? |
| 16:03.41 | _cronos_ | in france |
| 16:04.06 | cp15 | Ah... No, your country is not important :-) |
| 16:04.51 | _cronos_ | ok |
| 16:04.52 | _cronos_ | lol |
| 16:05.01 | _cronos_ | In which area? langage ? |
| 16:05.17 | _cronos_ | i don t realy understand the mining of the question |
| 16:05.19 | cp15 | Well, maybe you can pickup a idea which cr2 had some time ago: Integrate kernel, initrd and startup.txt as resources in haret, so you just have a single file |
| 16:05.19 | _cronos_ | lol |
| 16:05.34 | _cronos_ | ok |
| 16:05.36 | _cronos_ | :p |
| 16:05.40 | _cronos_ | i can trie that |
| 16:06.02 | cp15 | In which area you are a programmer? GUI, Embedded Systems, whatever... But you already answered the question |
| 16:06.14 | _cronos_ | k :P |
| 16:06.51 | cp15 | Maybe there is a better word than "area"... Hmm... |
| 16:07.02 | _cronos_ | purapse |
| 16:09.23 | oho | cronos do you know: C , C++, Java, Visual Basic (is that a language ;-) , etc..... ? |
| 16:10.37 | oho | cp15: I just found a goto in the code - arggg |
| 16:11.05 | _cronos_ | Visual Basic (is that a language ;-) lol |
| 16:11.06 | cp15 | Hihi, have you read a recent slashdot story: Goto speeds up your code? |
| 16:11.18 | _cronos_ | c c++ java soon vb .... vb .net c# |
| 16:11.23 | _cronos_ | purapse soon delphi |
| 16:11.31 | _cronos_ | and j# soon too |
| 16:11.55 | oho | cp15: maybe, but it can get really messy |
| 16:12.54 | cp15 | No, it was just joke... It was a math library programmed by someone named Goto Something |
| 16:13.21 | oho | cp15: which prog would you use to talk to the GSM modem for testing out a few of the commands ? is there a terminal prog in the distro ? |
| 16:13.48 | cp15 | Hmmm... A terminal program is not enough |
| 16:13.51 | oho | cp15: a ok, like a lot of paper which have sex in the title |
| 16:14.26 | oho | I might write a little test script using term |
| 16:14.29 | cp15 | You need the encapsulation. But I can send you my gsm.sh which emulates a little terminal program |
| 16:14.45 | oho | that would be very useful |
| 16:14.57 | oho | I like to test all commands before I put them into the code |
| 16:15.07 | oho | and to find out the exact replies |
| 16:17.02 | oho | thanks |
| 16:17.06 | cp15 | You can terminate it with ctrl-c |
| 16:17.14 | cp15 | But you need a killall dd after that |
| 16:17.37 | cp15 | If you look into the code you probably know why :-) |
| 16:17.51 | oho | ok cheers |
| 16:18.29 | cp15 | I have to go shopping now and will be back in half an hour |
| 16:18.37 | oho | ok - see you |
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| 17:00.43 | cp15 | Re |
| 17:03.16 | oho | could you please send me the script again - the transfere didn't work |
| 17:12.20 | cp15 | Got visitors |
| 17:12.40 | oho | ok |
| 17:12.44 | oho | thank you |
| 18:51.12 | rob_w | hmm |
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| 20:14.27 | cp15 | re |
| 20:15.43 | Funklord | I will need to pull down the gnulinux.biz server for about 1-2h during this week |
| 20:16.09 | Funklord | need to change some raid drives, and set up at the same time |
| 20:16.30 | Funklord | no, worries, I'll report before I do it |
| 20:16.35 | Funklord | =P |
| 20:18.54 | _cronos_ | some body know if it s exist a spv m3000 or qtek 9100 sim unlocker ? |
| 20:19.07 | cp15 | Funklord: No problem |
| 20:20.23 | rob_w | Funklord, nice , what raid card do you use ? |
| 20:22.19 | Funklord | raid5 |
| 20:22.21 | Funklord | erm |
| 20:22.27 | Funklord | linux raid =P |
| 20:23.02 | rob_w | hardware or software |
| 20:23.08 | Funklord | software |
| 20:23.19 | Funklord | the one built into linux |
| 20:23.32 | rob_w | nice , feels good to have disks for that ! |
| 20:24.11 | Funklord | can't see a reason to buy hardware raid controllers anymore |
| 20:24.47 | rob_w | well beside off loading the cpu , there is not too many |
| 20:25.01 | rob_w | i work for a hardware raid card manufacturer |
| 20:25.32 | Funklord | they often use proprietary or wierd formats on the hdd, so you need a similar card if it breaks |
| 20:26.05 | rob_w | sure , you need meta data |
| 20:26.27 | Funklord | I used to sell nas, das etc. solutions before |
| 20:26.40 | rob_w | we do have long 3 years hardware warranty so that should do the trick for some time |
| 20:26.42 | Funklord | microstorage, tandberg |
| 20:27.10 | rob_w | nice , i am supporting these kinda stuff now .. |
| 20:27.51 | Funklord | the raid code hasn't failed me a single time |
| 20:28.05 | Funklord | I've been pulling out the drives on the fly |
| 20:28.18 | rob_w | heeh it does never , but the disks do !?! |
| 20:28.39 | rob_w | ? |
| 20:28.46 | Funklord | they rebuilt fine after that and didn't lose any files |
| 20:29.04 | Funklord | so something they're doing is right =P |
| 20:29.25 | Funklord | I'm going to test the raid6 code next time I buy hdds |
| 20:29.37 | Funklord | probably a 6-8x250gb array |
| 20:30.01 | Funklord | yay! |
| 20:30.27 | rob_w | if it is reall hot data , still prepare to have offsite backups ! |
| 20:30.43 | Funklord | real men don't use backups =P |
| 20:31.05 | Funklord | heh, yeah, I got my tape robots coming in soon |
| 20:31.09 | rob_w | these days the drives sizes grow quick and we see more and more people loosing data as they only have one copy . |
| 20:31.36 | rob_w | even raidsets are not meant tobe all time backups , they are meant to serve data redundant |
| 20:32.12 | rob_w | most customers freak out when i tell them this ! |
| 20:33.08 | Funklord | well, if someone just acquired raid, it's usually a good idea to congratulate them, so they don't start thinking data storage is futile =P |
| 20:33.18 | Funklord | small steps =P |
| 20:33.37 | Funklord | most people I know, have no redundancy what so ever |
| 20:33.58 | Funklord | if their hdd crashes, they lose everything |
| 20:34.31 | Funklord | my workmate lost all his work on a crashed laptop drive last friday |
| 20:35.05 | Funklord | he's not one of my favourite co-workers so... =P |
| 20:35.16 | rob_w | oh |
| 20:35.35 | rob_w | he probaby |
| 20:35.46 | Funklord | he's a pain in the ass coder, who never produces any results and puts all the workload on others |
| 20:35.51 | rob_w | screwed it up himlsef with M$ |
| 20:36.55 | rob_w | when does a beginner coder start getting a good coder in your view ? |
| 20:36.55 | Funklord | I rewrote this interface to fit my code, so you rewrite all the existing code to fit the new interface, ok? |
| 20:37.50 | Funklord | rob_w: when they understand that there's always something new that needs to be learned |
| 20:39.04 | Funklord | also, it depends, some people work awesomely alone, and are terrible when co-operating, or vice versa |
| 20:39.13 | rob_w | i had once a guy who was good but when i mentioned that this software was made by many as a team , he was the one standing up " .. but this i did , and this and this |
| 20:40.34 | Funklord | hehe, a bit childish, but funny |
| 20:40.36 | rob_w | then in his eager mind he run out and posted all that , not seeing that we already moved on quite far after he "stopped " producing progress |
| 20:41.08 | Funklord | hehe |
| 20:41.51 | rob_w | so somethign are linux coders but dont get the "community thing " whatsoever |
| 20:42.50 | rob_w | anyway , if all works out well , i might get back to fulltime coding soon and stop the stupid "hotline " thingi |
| 20:43.02 | Funklord | you're a hotline coder? |
| 20:43.19 | rob_w | well , wished-tobe-coder hotliner |
| 20:43.26 | rob_w | i would say .. |
| 20:43.59 | rob_w | but i am still in that stage where i need tons pratice , which i only get on full time |
| 20:45.03 | Funklord | so, you've not coded for very long? |
| 20:45.33 | rob_w | maybe you can count 2 years of full time coding but not in a team unfortunately |
| 20:45.48 | Funklord | I had the image, that you were like the shiznit of code =) |
| 20:45.56 | rob_w | had people assisting me or participating , but not a real team in that sense |
| 20:46.27 | rob_w | hehe , well i know my stuff , so still you can bring it on to me |
| 20:47.01 | Funklord | cool, I think 2yrs is more than enough to go pro |
| 20:47.23 | rob_w | and i might be able to life from it soon again ( and feed a wife and 2 kids ) . That makes me already happy |
| 20:47.50 | Funklord | can you find a linux job? |
| 20:48.14 | Funklord | I turned my windows job into a linux job |
| 20:48.17 | rob_w | well for me it is : i need more time to spend then i would get into a good speed soon i hope |
| 20:48.30 | rob_w | i ve one |
| 20:48.44 | Funklord | convinced them that they _need_ a linux port (I'm the only one who knows linux) |
| 20:49.03 | rob_w | yeah , that was what i did ! |
| 20:49.44 | rob_w | and it was good that i did the port and it was just fine , but the stupids did not manage to sell the crap |
| 20:49.55 | Funklord | =/ |
| 20:50.05 | rob_w | that then brought me into the support hotline again |
| 20:50.57 | Funklord | unlucky |
| 20:51.39 | Funklord | in my experience, it's rare that any kind of pro-active sales or marketing sells linux software |
| 20:52.05 | Funklord | I made sure to find the customers that want it, and are asking us for it now |
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| 20:52.38 | rob_w | some i found but it felt that they went bored by the sales force |
| 20:53.20 | rob_w | hi JuNuKN |
| 20:53.41 | Funklord | =) |
| 20:54.13 | JuNuKN | H rob_w |
| 20:54.24 | Funklord | hey JuNuKN |
| 20:54.39 | JuNuKN | Hello together |
| 20:54.53 | Funklord | rob_w: nice talking to you, I gotta go to bed =( |
| 20:55.07 | Funklord | or else I turn into a pumpkin |
| 20:56.12 | rob_w | sleep well Funklord |
| 20:56.46 | Funklord | thanks, night y'all |
| 22:19.02 | cp15 | Will go to bed now. Good night |
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| 22:25.13 | llange | hi all. |
| 22:33.47 | rob_w | hi llange |
| 22:35.13 | rob_w | ur patches also compile here |
| 22:35.21 | llange | Great news =) |
| 22:35.30 | llange | Does it still boot ? =) |
| 22:35.37 | llange | No regression ? =) |
| 22:38.15 | rob_w | did not boot yet |
| 22:38.46 | rob_w | also i domt have a himalya |
| 22:39.41 | llange | I was talking of BA, does it still boot after the modif I've done on the common code ? It should of course, but regression is still possible. |
| 22:47.55 | rob_w | sure , regression is fine !! i will need to do that tomorrow |
| 22:48.58 | llange | no probs. =) |