| 04:53.47 | masked | woot |
| 04:53.55 | masked | the wrap board is booting now! |
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| 13:51.02 | cp15 | Good morning |
| 14:01.59 | rob_w-cgi | hi cp15 |
| 14:02.28 | cp15 | Hi rob, did I miss something here the last few days? |
| 14:03.13 | rob_w-cgi | well i was here too much neither |
| 14:04.54 | rob_w-cgi | i wanted to compile your changes but yet i didnt had time todo so |
| 14:05.12 | rob_w-cgi | i am busy with looking for jobs for any case |
| 14:11.49 | rob_w-cgi | cool |
| 14:14.53 | bhima | I have committed to Linux on this system for our demo on November 7. So I better get it properly installed now. :) |
| 14:19.51 | rob_w-cgi | bhima is that a Systems in munich ? |
| 14:20.20 | bhima | I'm sorry, I don't follow... |
| 14:21.03 | rob_w-cgi | ok then .. well "Systems " is a IT exhibition in munich coming in a few days |
| 14:22.26 | bhima | Ahh. No, not going to go there. At this point my schedule appears to be overbooked for the next ~6 weeks. |
| 14:23.30 | bhima | 100% of my time is already allocated till Friday in just over a week. |
| 14:23.44 | bhima | (including saturday and sunday) |
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| 17:37.22 | rob_w | man , then you send someone your mail with a link to your cv and they answer that they need your cv .. tststs |
| 17:38.34 | rob_w | ~seen cp15 |
| 17:38.36 | apt | cp15 is currently on #htc-blueangel (3h 47m 44s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 3h 36m 8s |
| 17:41.04 | rob_w | why did we remove the cvs part on the hh,org wiki ? |
| 17:42.45 | cp15 | ? |
| 17:43.59 | rob_w | i thought i did have there the cut`n`paste "source " from the cvs checkouts of the kernel part |
| 17:44.29 | rob_w | i am working quite confusingly , ya know :-) |
| 17:45.08 | rob_w | cp15, so the "freaky " haret is at the hh,org wiki , so i only need to update my kernel and gomunicator cvs |
| 17:45.36 | cp15 | You mean the last line under the "Kernel" section? |
| 17:45.44 | rob_w | or does your -3 stuff also already contain the sound stuff =? |
| 17:45.57 | rob_w | ?? |
| 17:46.11 | cp15 | My what -3 stuff? |
| 17:47.02 | rob_w | oops , that wasent there a minute ago |
| 17:47.50 | rob_w | sorry , |
| 17:48.07 | rob_w | i meant the kernel and initrd -3 on the hh,org wiki |
| 17:48.25 | rob_w | do they include the sound part ? |
| 17:49.40 | rob_w | cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 17:49.55 | rob_w | that is a cool error message |
| 17:50.02 | rob_w | " ... if any " |
| 17:50.08 | cp15 | Ah, no, sorry, they don't include the sound part. Maybe I should put a tar with a current set of modules on the wiki |
| 17:50.49 | rob_w | brb |
| 18:50.24 | immolo | damn it I always miss him :P |
| 18:55.03 | cp15 | Hooray, my BA is still alive |
| 18:55.27 | immolo | what did you do? |
| 18:55.46 | cp15 | Disassembled it and removed the camera |
| 18:55.56 | immolo | lol |
| 18:56.31 | immolo | so there goes my hopes of another cp15 long weekend with a camera driver |
| 18:57.07 | cp15 | One of my customers isn't happy when you walk in with a device which is able to take pictures |
| 18:57.22 | cp15 | They already fired peoples for that reason |
| 18:57.45 | immolo | audi? |
| 18:57.48 | cp15 | Yes |
| 18:58.26 | immolo | well I would rather have a job with them then a ba with a camera |
| 18:59.20 | immolo | but still that means we need to find someone that can write a driver |
| 18:59.28 | immolo | anyway more importantly |
| 18:59.37 | immolo | how is wlan going :D |
| 18:59.39 | cp15 | In hungary they are even more careful. They are preparing the new TT here, and you are in deep trouble if you are in the wrong area. |
| 19:00.20 | cp15 | I have started the disassembler on the wlan driver... Still working after 2 hours |
| 19:00.43 | immolo | damn, well good luck |
| 19:01.19 | immolo | I'm rebuilding the ba distro with hopefully full support for using touchscreen |
| 19:02.03 | immolo | but didn't have much luck applying your bluez-utils so I will try again on the next update |
| 19:02.08 | cp15 | If the X Server continues to segfault, install strace and do a strace -f -o /tmp/strace.out Xfbdev |
| 19:02.46 | cp15 | No problem, the bluez-utils are not that important. Bluetooth will still work with the original ones, but at lower speed |
| 19:02.50 | immolo | The problem seemed to be the config file I was told to use |
| 19:04.05 | immolo | oh and if I wanted to move onto some arm linux programming with gpe where is my best move? |
| 19:04.34 | immolo | I only know BASIC and pascel at the moment |
| 19:05.00 | cp15 | Try to learn C |
| 19:05.07 | immolo | just C? |
| 19:05.17 | immolo | not ++ or # |
| 19:05.31 | cp15 | It isn't so much different from BASIC and Pascal. But the pointers are tricky |
| 19:05.37 | cp15 | Forget about C# |
| 19:05.48 | immolo | I can do simple stuff with C++ |
| 19:06.01 | immolo | heh C# is the way forward in the UK |
| 19:06.14 | immolo | everyone wants it |
| 19:06.17 | cp15 | C++ might be worth a try but nearly all gpe stuff is written in C |
| 19:06.28 | cp15 | Its from microsoft |
| 19:06.42 | immolo | I know but microsoft own everyone |
| 19:07.02 | cp15 | But I don't think the mono implementation is much better. |
| 19:07.25 | immolo | still if I learn C I will be able to write drivers also |
| 19:08.14 | immolo | is C programs portable to symbian as well? |
| 19:08.48 | cp15 | Not sure, I think symbian uses c++ |
| 19:08.52 | immolo | I got my first symbian the other day and quite like it |
| 19:09.13 | immolo | need to play with it more though |
| 19:09.43 | cp15 | But C++ is a superset of C, so if you know C++ you also know C, and if you know C you know a part of C++ |
| 19:10.18 | immolo | I suppose |
| 19:10.37 | immolo | well lets get linux running on my ba then I'll see about C |
| 19:12.06 | immolo | not long left now |
| 19:12.44 | cp15 | As for the camera: Grabbing jpegs is probably pretty easy to implement. Taking a video is much harder |
| 19:13.39 | immolo | yeah I was going to say we have to be careful about what formats to use as for those kodak sd printing stations |
| 19:14.38 | immolo | but I want png support as well :P |
| 19:15.39 | cp15 | The camera can do jpeg compession in hardware |
| 19:15.51 | immolo | really? |
| 19:16.19 | cp15 | I suppose. There was a statement in the driver about this |
| 19:17.16 | immolo | I guess it shouldn't be too hard then if you know what you are looking at |
| 19:18.15 | immolo | and as you say only videos are going to be pain as you have to get both a nice compressed for viewing on a pda and one that opens on all phones |
| 20:08.43 | cp15 | I think I will go to bed now |
| 20:26.26 | cp15 | Good night |
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| 20:39.40 | Rv | hiya everyone |
| 20:40.39 | Rv | is there anyone ? |
| 20:47.14 | Funklord | hey there |
| 20:48.20 | Rv | I got a problem with my Qtek 9090 (BA), and I wondered if anybody already had this |
| 20:48.53 | Funklord | what problem? |
| 20:49.45 | Rv | everytime I push the Call button, the xda reboots |
| 20:50.05 | Rv | I mean hard reboot |
| 20:50.08 | Funklord | when running linux? |
| 20:50.20 | immolo | using what gpe-image? |
| 20:50.27 | Rv | no unfortunatly, I have not already tried |
| 20:50.35 | Rv | under windows CE |
| 20:50.51 | Funklord | never seen that |
| 20:50.56 | immolo | That's even stranger |
| 20:51.17 | Funklord | sounds like a hardware problem |
| 20:51.28 | Rv | i'd be pleased to put Linux on it, but I don't know how far the developpment has gone |
| 20:51.33 | immolo | Rv - time to use that insurcane to get an xdaIIi for free |
| 20:52.08 | Rv | xdaIIi ? you mean Qtek 2020 with wifi ? |
| 20:52.24 | immolo | no idea I only follow O2 |
| 20:52.53 | immolo | the upgraded himalaya |
| 20:52.55 | Funklord | I think qtek 2020 is the wallaby? |
| 20:53.10 | Funklord | ah ok |
| 20:53.50 | Funklord | this oem rebranding nonsense drives me mad |
| 20:54.06 | Rv | ya, 2020 is himalaya |
| 20:54.06 | immolo | as for the status of linux cp15 is using it as a phone so you can't ask for me |
| 20:54.16 | immolo | err |
| 20:54.43 | immolo | as for the status of linux, cp15 is using it as a phone so you can't ask for more |
| 20:55.39 | Funklord | suspend isn't working yet |
| 20:55.45 | immolo | really? |
| 20:55.53 | Funklord | so it gets about 24h on one charge |
| 20:56.02 | immolo | and you can still get 24hour without suspend |
| 20:56.14 | immolo | that's amazing |
| 20:56.18 | Funklord | =)) |
| 20:56.28 | immolo | and running off an sd card |
| 20:57.00 | Rv | ok so I think I'm going to stay on windows for a while |
| 20:57.24 | immolo | Rv why not boot into linux and play with it |
| 20:57.46 | immolo | if pressing call is going to hard reset you it's not going to be much of a bother |
| 20:58.17 | Funklord | it's a good test |
| 20:58.36 | Funklord | to see if the hardware is flaky or if windows has broken dlls |
| 20:58.38 | Rv | immolo: sounds good |
| 20:58.40 | immolo | only problem I found was once I put linux on I found out how much I dislike ce |
| 20:58.54 | Rv | does it take long ? |
| 20:59.10 | immolo | about 5 mins for the first run |
| 20:59.15 | Funklord | Rv: you just need to partition the sd, and put a couple of files on it |
| 20:59.44 | immolo | someone needs to write a guide up |
| 21:00.20 | Rv | ok before, I'll need to backup the sd :) |
| 21:00.26 | immolo | I would do it but I would rather wait and write one that worked with the distro |
| 21:01.23 | Funklord | immolo: I see you are planning to learn C.. |
| 21:01.33 | immolo | maybe |
| 21:01.42 | immolo | I want to write some apps for the ba |
| 21:01.49 | Funklord | it's very useful, 95% of software is written in C |
| 21:01.51 | immolo | well linux pdas |
| 21:02.00 | immolo | and the kernel :D |
| 21:02.48 | Funklord | I do asm/C/C++/java/php |
| 21:02.55 | Funklord | but C is still the best =) |
| 21:03.37 | immolo | heh I know little of each of those but java |
| 21:03.48 | immolo | I dislike java :P |
| 21:03.53 | Funklord | yeah, me too |
| 21:04.21 | Funklord | it's not mature yet |
| 21:04.27 | immolo | asm is nice and fast but a pain in the arse to write |
| 21:04.35 | Funklord | maybe in 10 more yrs it will be useful |
| 21:04.51 | immolo | when sun open source it :P |
| 21:05.44 | Funklord | =) |
| 21:06.49 | immolo | still if I learn C I can write the first good binary news group grabber for linux |
| 21:07.20 | Rv | ok so guys, if there's no documentation, can you guide me ? |
| 21:07.32 | immolo | Rv- sure where abouts are you |
| 21:07.48 | Rv | ready to fdisk |
| 21:08.28 | Funklord | read this http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel |
| 21:08.47 | Funklord | this too (almost the same) http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelKernel |
| 21:11.00 | Funklord | to give you a better understanding of what you are doing |
| 21:12.10 | Funklord | immolo: do you play games on your BA? |
| 21:12.46 | immolo | ce? |
| 21:12.57 | Funklord | yeah |
| 21:12.59 | immolo | yeah |
| 21:13.00 | Rv | there's nothing about the fdisk part |
| 21:13.08 | immolo | mainly psx games |
| 21:13.21 | Funklord | Rv: you need 2 partitions, one vfat and the second one as ext3 |
| 21:13.41 | Funklord | immolo: your buttons didn't break yet? |
| 21:13.56 | immolo | my call button is alittle strange |
| 21:14.01 | Funklord | they wear out really quickly imo |
| 21:14.02 | immolo | getting better though |
| 21:14.18 | Rv | I can use the image, there's not need to compile the kernel is it ? |
| 21:14.32 | Funklord | damn piezo-electric buttons |
| 21:15.29 | Funklord | Rv: no, take the kernel, initrd, haret.exe and the config file and place them in the same dir on the vfat partition |
| 21:15.55 | Rv | ok coz I'm about to download gpe |
| 21:16.10 | Rv | how about the size of the partitions ? |
| 21:16.15 | Funklord | those will kick off linux, so it can mount the ext3 partition which will contain your root and gpe |
| 21:16.47 | Rv | vfat 0C ? |
| 21:17.29 | Funklord | Rv: p1 vfat >30MiB and p2 ext3 ~200MiB |
| 21:17.42 | Funklord | I can't remember how large the gpe image is |
| 21:17.50 | Funklord | the 200M is just a guess |
| 21:18.02 | Funklord | probably less is needed |
| 21:18.26 | Funklord | Rv: and yes it's 0C |
| 21:18.32 | immolo | damnit whats up with gomunicator |
| 21:18.57 | Rv | ok |
| 21:19.00 | Rv | formatting |
| 21:19.14 | Rv | done |
| 21:21.36 | Rv | initrd, startup, gpe, and zImage downloaded |
| 21:23.44 | Rv | 157 Mb for gpe |
| 21:24.14 | Rv | I assume I should copy gpe on ext3 partition ? |
| 21:28.17 | Rv | helle there ? |
| 21:28.17 | immolo | yes |
| 21:31.38 | Rv | what next ? |
| 21:32.17 | immolo | umount |
| 21:32.27 | Rv | what should I copy . |
| 21:32.29 | Rv | ? |
| 21:32.45 | immolo | untar the gpe-image to the ext3 parititon |
| 21:33.11 | Rv | ok done |
| 21:33.26 | Rv | how about zImage initrd ? |
| 21:33.42 | immolo | the vfat partition |
| 21:35.07 | Rv | ok |
| 21:35.09 | Rv | umount |
| 21:35.31 | immolo | lload the module usbnet on the host |
| 21:35.41 | Rv | ? |
| 21:35.55 | Rv | how ? |
| 21:36.14 | immolo | open up a termial su to root and modprobe usbnet |
| 21:37.15 | Rv | ok done |
| 21:37.43 | immolo | put the ba into the cradle and load haret |
| 21:38.25 | Rv | I've copied haret on the sd |
| 21:38.35 | Rv | I've just launched haret, linux is booting |
| 21:38.40 | immolo | ok |
| 21:39.10 | Rv | stuck at starting portmap |
| 21:39.17 | immolo | do a ifconfig -a in the root term on the host |
| 21:39.32 | Funklord | I'm editing the handhelds.org wiki now |
| 21:39.59 | Rv | nothing |
| 21:41.07 | Rv | nothing on the host |
| 21:41.42 | Rv | should I modprobe ipaq ? |
| 21:42.20 | immolo | no |
| 21:42.37 | immolo | does the ba say anything about usb0 or eth0 |
| 21:42.48 | immolo | I can't remember the exact line |
| 21:43.46 | Rv | when loading the kernel : usb0 ethernet gadget |
| 21:44.09 | Rv | using pxa2xx_udc OUT ep2out-bulk IN ep1in-bulk |
| 21:44.56 | Rv | but when I press the "Call" button the XDA still reboots |
| 21:44.56 | immolo | hmm give me a second I need to finish something off quick and I'll be with you |
| 21:45.02 | Rv | ok |
| 21:45.16 | immolo | I would take the ba back |
| 21:47.50 | immolo | damn what is up with oe today |
| 21:48.21 | immolo | I'll come back to gomuntor later |
| 22:07.24 | Rv | do you know if the XDAII works on US phone networks ? |
| 22:07.49 | immolo | doesn't work in greece |
| 22:08.13 | immolo | but I know they have himalayas in the the states |
| 22:11.16 | Rv | ok nevermind |
| 22:23.20 | immolo | yay, it's built |
| 22:23.42 | immolo | lets see if I have some touchscreen working |
| 22:27.28 | Rv | gotta go |
| 22:27.30 | Rv | bye |
| 22:27.33 | immolo | see ya |
| 22:27.48 | Rv | thanks, I'll try again with a new BA. |
| 22:28.03 | Rv | but I assume there's a bad contact |
| 22:28.13 | Funklord | immolo: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel <- now there's a few instructions there |
| 22:28.36 | Rv | because it fails even when not pressing, just when I put my finger on it |
| 22:28.54 | immolo | Funklord- Nice |
| 22:29.07 | bhima | My first BA had a touch screen that would sometimes produce a zig-zag. |
| 22:29.21 | Rv | Funklord: great :) |
| 22:29.36 | immolo | bhima- heh, must of been fun :P |
| 22:29.52 | bhima | I needed to re-calibrate the screen every two days or so. |
| 22:30.04 | bhima | We sent it back for replacemnt after a week or so. |
| 22:30.11 | immolo | my himalaya used to hard reset every two days |
| 22:30.18 | Funklord | I never had any problems with the screen, but the buttons suck |
| 22:30.31 | Funklord | they get worn out really fast |
| 22:30.56 | immolo | anyway I'll be back in a bit with some good news I home |
| 22:31.06 | immolo | s\home\hope |
| 22:31.14 | bhima | Hmm? What do you mean? |
| 22:31.23 | immolo | a working ba distro |
| 22:31.28 | bhima | I haven't had any roblems with the buttons... |
| 22:31.33 | immolo | oh :P |
| 22:31.44 | Funklord | bhima: do you play a lot of games? |
| 22:31.47 | bhima | oooh. working ba distro. I need one of 'em. :) |
| 22:31.49 | immolo | bhima- if you play alot of games they start ti stick |
| 22:32.16 | Funklord | I play on the train, on the way to work =) |
| 22:32.29 | bhima | THough I noticed the jog wheel on my P800 started to wear a lot after not long playing a game. |
| 22:32.31 | Funklord | nes games |
| 22:32.31 | immolo | Funklord- haha I used to play lemming to work |
| 22:32.42 | bhima | I have an n-gage for games! :) |
| 22:33.00 | bhima | (the only game I play on it, and that's rare, is snake. in python. :) |
| 22:33.29 | immolo | bhima- you know the nokia 6660 |
| 22:33.35 | immolo | err 6680 |
| 22:33.39 | Funklord | there's a free bootleg snake for GBA, that's pretty cool |
| 22:33.47 | immolo | you know if there is anything good I can do to it |
| 22:34.05 | bhima | immolo: sure. give it to me. :) |
| 22:34.16 | Funklord | instead of the snake moving up/down/left/right like a robot, it turns with left and right keys |
| 22:34.39 | Funklord | so it moves in angles and curves |
| 22:34.45 | immolo | bhima- No way :P my phone company sent out the wrong phone so I'm keeping it |
| 22:34.45 | bhima | oh, that's nifty. |
| 22:34.55 | bhima | immolo: install python, first. |
| 22:35.16 | immolo | sybian python :o |
| 22:35.17 | bhima | Then, well, find python code taht does nifty stuff, and improve it. :) |
| 22:35.41 | immolo | and I thought basic for symbian was cool :P |
| 22:35.54 | bhima | I haven't seen BASIC running on a symbian phone. |
| 22:36.13 | immolo | I saw a review of it a few years ago |
| 22:36.37 | immolo | anyway I need to test brb |
| 22:42.26 | Rv | does anyone have a minute ? |
| 22:42.32 | Rv | i can't ifconfig |
| 22:42.37 | Rv | ifconfig usb0 |
| 22:42.46 | Rv | no sych device |
| 22:42.48 | Rv | such |
| 22:51.21 | immolo | damn |
| 22:51.23 | immolo | ok strace time |
| 22:51.27 | immolo | unless anyone wants to play with me? |
| 22:51.38 | Rv | I'd like to |
| 22:52.04 | Rv | do you have any idea ? |
| 22:52.26 | immolo | show me the output of lsmod |
| 22:52.35 | Rv | the host detects the USB device : new full speed usb device |
| 22:53.27 | Rv | got usbnet |
| 22:53.31 | Rv | uhci_hcd |
| 22:53.40 | Rv | usbcore |
| 22:54.06 | immolo | unplug the cradle and plug it back in then restart linux |
| 22:55.23 | Rv | shouldn't I have usb-eth in the kernel ? |
| 22:55.46 | immolo | it's not needed |
| 22:56.04 | immolo | I need to check my ba again I'll be back in a bit |
| 22:57.13 | Rv | usb disconnect |
| 22:57.28 | Rv | usb 1-2 new full speed device |
| 22:58.04 | Rv | linux booting |
| 22:58.07 | Rv | usb disconnect |
| 22:58.17 | Rv | new usb speed device |
| 22:58.19 | Rv | that's it |
| 23:28.57 | Funklord | fill in the blanks: |
| 23:29.17 | Funklord | Intel XScale 400MHz (PXA263) |
| 23:29.29 | Funklord | Memory: PXA 32MiB + SoC 64MiB + RAM 128MiB + SD/MMC |
| 23:29.36 | Funklord | Wifi (not all models - Texas Instruments ACX100) |
| 23:29.42 | Funklord | Bluetooth |
| 23:29.49 | Funklord | Real Pull-out Keyboard with enlightment |
| 23:29.56 | Funklord | VGA Camera (not all models - Agilent ADCM-2650-0001) |
| 23:30.04 | Funklord | 3.5" Transflective TFT-LCD Screen, QVGA 240x320 (Sony ACX502BMV or Toppoly TD035STEC1) |
| 23:30.10 | Funklord | Accelerated GFX (ATI Imageon 3200) |
| 23:30.19 | Funklord | GSM / GPRS |
| 23:30.25 | Funklord | IRDA |
| 23:30.32 | Funklord | Keyb/touchscreen/battery sampling handled by [WWW]TSC2200 |
| 23:30.58 | Funklord | Mainly, what chips are used by BT and GSM? |
| 23:31.03 | Funklord | *for |
| 23:45.20 | Funklord | nm, found some resources |
| 23:56.57 | Rv | ok, got usb0 |
| 23:57.00 | Rv | :) |
| 23:57.03 | Rv | and ssh |
| 23:59.19 | Rv | the question I'm asking is "what then ?" |