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| 06:12.54 | cp15 | Good morning |
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| 07:43.07 | JuNuKN | morning |
| 07:46.10 | cp15 | Good morning JuNuKN |
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| 07:56.48 | cp15 | Hi rob |
| 07:57.56 | rob_w-cgi | hey cp15 |
| 07:59.55 | cp15 | I got dpram working and started the first gprs connection |
| 08:00.14 | cp15 | But I got a private IP (10/8 range). Is this normal for gprs? |
| 08:28.46 | rob_w-cgi | ?? |
| 08:28.50 | rob_w-cgi | no idea |
| 08:29.06 | rob_w-cgi | but i think i remeber that it is a 192 one |
| 08:29.59 | cp15 | Hmm... That makes it impossible to use ipsec over gprs |
| 08:46.27 | rob_w-cgi | really .. |
| 08:46.53 | rob_w-cgi | cant you setup a ipsec eth0 with a different ip and then route over gprs |
| 08:47.17 | cp15 | Only if you know your real ip address |
| 08:48.18 | cp15 | ipsec creates a checksum over the whole ip packet, and NAT changes the ip adresses. So the checksum will fail and ipsec rejects the packet |
| 08:59.52 | rob_w-cgi | ah |
| 09:05.15 | Funklord | someone know how I could install usb networking in windows? |
| 09:05.23 | Funklord | to talk to BA |
| 09:48.39 | bhima | woot. Got the serial cable for my BA. |
| 09:53.41 | cp15 | Funklord: For windows you need rndis support in g_ether. Are you able to compile a kernel? |
| 09:55.22 | cp15 | bhima: Have you already tired to run linux? |
| 09:57.01 | bhima | cp15: I made a half-assed attempt and the kernel booted, but I had no dock stuff around so I couldn't do anything useful. SO I thought "this is nifty" and then went back to *wince* |
| 09:57.41 | cp15 | Ok, right, without a network connection you can't do much |
| 09:58.02 | cp15 | Don't know if you have seen it: GPRS is working |
| 09:58.29 | bhima | Last I heard it was half working and would soon be fully working. Very happy to hear that. |
| 09:59.04 | cp15 | I have setup a connection, but it seems to be NATed. I got an ip address in the 10/8 range. |
| 09:59.13 | cp15 | Is this normal for GPRS? |
| 09:59.20 | bhima | Yes. |
| 09:59.46 | bhima | TMobile US has a "VPN Option" that gives you real IPs.\ |
| 10:00.03 | bhima | However, they have it fully firewalled etc. so that you can't actually do anything such as accept incoming :) |
| 10:00.06 | cp15 | Well, the device then doesn't need a firewall. But it will also prevent using ipsec |
| 10:00.47 | bhima | Actually, I did test TMO US's network, and found that you could connect between devices _inside_ the network. |
| 10:01.38 | cp15 | You mean the private network is shared across all devices? Funny |
| 10:02.07 | cp15 | Then maybe there is still a firewall needed... |
| 10:02.08 | bhima | That was the sitatuion then. It may have been fixed by now. |
| 10:03.02 | cp15 | So if you want real internet you still have to use CSD |
| 10:03.22 | cp15 | Or use one of the strange microsoft protocols for VPN |
| 10:03.38 | bhima | I'm pretty sure there are non-MS protocols that work through NAT for VPN. |
| 10:04.05 | cp15 | Yeah, openvpn, i think |
| 10:06.03 | cp15 | Do you know whether udp works? |
| 10:06.27 | cp15 | Tunneling through tcp is especially in the gsm case useless |
| 10:06.50 | bhima | I don't, unfortunately. I do want to test that at some point. |
| 10:09.26 | cp15 | I will try. A ntpdate to a time server should answer this question |
| 10:09.47 | bhima | Ahh, good idea. |
| 10:09.55 | bhima | DNS is over UDP, yes? |
| 10:10.42 | cp15 | Yes, but they have probably a nameserver in the private network, and they may also intercept dns traffic |
| 10:20.57 | Funklord | cp15: ah ok, so there's no cdc driver for windows? |
| 10:28.24 | cp15 | Don't know, but I have read rndis is supported with no special driver |
| 10:31.50 | Funklord | cp15: btw, no, I've not compiled a kernel yet |
| 10:32.04 | Funklord | need to set up a toolchain |
| 10:34.41 | cp15 | You can also wait a bit, I will include rndis in my next kernel/modules release |
| 10:35.09 | cp15 | Hmm... GPRS doesn't work today |
| 10:35.15 | cp15 | sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr 0.0.0.0>] |
| 10:35.15 | cp15 | rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x7 "!"] |
| 10:36.54 | cp15 | Ah, maybe because I forgot to set the APN |
| 10:41.58 | cp15 | Yes, that was the problem |
| 10:42.15 | cp15 | UDP doesn't work. What a pile of crap |
| 10:46.35 | cp15 | Maybe a vodafone feature. |
| 10:53.36 | cp15 | Funklord: Sorry, unfortunately rndis and cdcether are incompatible on pxa. So I have to stick to cdcether. |
| 11:01.23 | bhima | woot. got stereo bluetooth headset working. |
| 11:01.46 | bhima | I think I need to pair it twice and create two device entries so it's capable of understanding the microphone. |
| 11:04.26 | bhima | Hmm. It appears that the minimum volume level is higher than I actually feel comfortable with. :( |
| 11:05.38 | bhima | System audio also doesn't play through the thing at all - system audio is totally silent when it's connected. |
| 11:05.48 | bhima | even if you don't have any MP3s playing. |
| 11:06.27 | bhima | (since the mp3s are streamed directly, I can see some issues with attempting to mix audio, but if they're not playing, it should be able to use one of the other encodings) |
| 11:09.37 | rob_w-cgi | brb |
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| 11:15.23 | c|Ph3r | hi guys |
| 11:15.25 | bhima | re. |
| 11:15.32 | cp15 | Hi |
| 11:16.00 | c|Ph3r | cool project |
| 11:16.32 | cp15 | Much cooler it will be when everything works |
| 11:16.41 | c|Ph3r | yeah |
| 11:16.56 | cp15 | Do you have a Blueangel? |
| 11:16.58 | c|Ph3r | i haven't try it yet, going to get to the bottom of it tonight |
| 11:17.12 | c|Ph3r | it's seems promisin' |
| 11:17.46 | cp15 | What is your local time? |
| 11:17.52 | c|Ph3r | +10 |
| 11:18.01 | c|Ph3r | 9:18 :) |
| 11:18.39 | cp15 | In the evening? |
| 11:19.04 | c|Ph3r | by the way cp15, i have a question is this realease works as a phone? i mean can u make calls? |
| 11:19.07 | c|Ph3r | yes |
| 11:19.28 | c|Ph3r | i'min Gold Coast Australia at the moment |
| 11:19.31 | cp15 | Yes, you can. I am using it. |
| 11:19.39 | c|Ph3r | WOW! |
| 11:20.01 | c|Ph3r | that's awsome mate |
| 11:20.14 | cp15 | The main problem right now is the way too much power drain in suspend mode. It won't last a full day |
| 11:20.23 | c|Ph3r | so what features missed? |
| 11:20.37 | c|Ph3r | ooops |
| 11:21.12 | c|Ph3r | is there any development going on now? |
| 11:21.49 | cp15 | See the list at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelProgress for what is working and what not |
| 11:22.11 | c|Ph3r | thanx |
| 11:22.19 | cp15 | I will try to add audio recording, then fix the power management, then maybe the keyboard next |
| 11:22.41 | c|Ph3r | ummmm, i think i'm going to be busy this weekends :) |
| 11:23.04 | c|Ph3r | that's good |
| 11:23.14 | c|Ph3r | keep up the good work man |
| 11:23.37 | c|Ph3r | i |
| 11:24.19 | c|Ph3r | i'm going to get throw it this weekend if i get my head around it i may help, it's really good to give a hand to you guys |
| 11:24.35 | cp15 | Do you have any development experience? There are several tasks which need to be done. |
| 11:25.37 | c|Ph3r | i work for R&D office major works going for IBM it self |
| 11:26.07 | c|Ph3r | i have good experience with wireless communication implementing etc.. |
| 11:26.27 | c|Ph3r | as i said going to get throw it this weekends |
| 11:26.52 | c|Ph3r | i may help, u will find me here these days :) |
| 11:27.51 | cp15 | Do you think you could get any information about the ACX100 wireless lan chip from TI? It currently doesn't work. We can get the firmware loaded, but the cpu shows no sign of life |
| 11:28.35 | c|Ph3r | thats why i want to run linux on my pda mobile, i want the wireless card to be running and kicking |
| 11:29.05 | c|Ph3r | as i said i have to get my head around it b4 i give any answers |
| 11:29.29 | cp15 | Ok |
| 11:29.50 | c|Ph3r | really thanx guys for the great work u came up with |
| 11:29.56 | bhima | heh. WIth the BT headset hooked up, if the BA goes to sleep, the audio link fails. THe control link, however, works. |
| 11:30.10 | c|Ph3r | :/ |
| 11:30.21 | bhima | (this is under wince, so, yeah, linux should be better :) |
| 11:30.42 | c|Ph3r | have anyone get a running mizi on BT? |
| 11:30.50 | bhima | mizi? |
| 11:31.00 | cp15 | Does the audio link come back after resume? |
| 11:32.17 | c|Ph3r | i have found some posts mention that there is a korean company has it's own linux realse working on mobile pdas |
| 11:33.29 | c|Ph3r | anyway what on hands now is enough :) |
| 11:33.33 | bhima | cp15: nope. it wakes up and plays the audio out the standard speaker :) |
| 11:33.42 | c|Ph3r | ok guys thanx again and see ya soon |
| 11:35.49 | cp15 | But you can do a manual reconnect? |
| 11:36.02 | bhima | Yeha. I disconnect and reconnect in the bluetooth thing and it works. |
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| 16:53.08 | cp15 | Hi frost_ii, looking for Linux for the Blueangel? |
| 18:52.05 | cp15 | Good news everyone: Audio recording is now working, DPRAM code for GPRS, data calls and fax is in CVS |
| 18:52.59 | immolo | heya |
| 18:53.07 | immolo | lol faxes on the ba |
| 18:53.56 | cp15 | Ah, I know why your initrd didn't work |
| 18:54.11 | immolo | hmm? |
| 18:54.17 | cp15 | We have to check your kernel build. You have only about 10% of the required modules |
| 18:54.26 | immolo | :P |
| 18:54.33 | cp15 | Also in the root image |
| 18:55.06 | immolo | does the defconfig take care of modules? |
| 18:55.16 | cp15 | It should |
| 18:55.40 | immolo | unless where the bb has some control over tem |
| 18:56.35 | cp15 | There should be a directory under build/tmp/work where the kernel was built |
| 18:57.07 | immolo | I know it |
| 18:58.08 | cp15 | There is a directory temp |
| 18:58.17 | immolo | yep |
| 18:58.24 | cp15 | send me what is in it |
| 18:58.27 | immolo | with all the run files and logs |
| 18:58.31 | immolo | all of it? |
| 18:58.45 | cp15 | Yes, its not that much, I think |
| 19:03.00 | immolo | so you have yet to get the image loaded? |
| 19:07.21 | cp15 | No, it doesn't work the easy way because of the missing modules |
| 19:08.30 | immolo | just wondering if you did something quick to get it loading |
| 19:09.30 | cp15 | No, sorry |
| 19:09.41 | cp15 | But I think I know where the problem is |
| 19:10.16 | immolo | cool |
| 19:10.32 | immolo | I can't wait to see my ba run linux 24/7 |
| 19:10.45 | immolo | I can live with problems from then on :P |
| 19:13.06 | immolo | ok, I'm going to make a quick drink, bug me if you want me to edit something |
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| 19:16.20 | rob-w_ba | hey guys |
| 19:16.24 | immolo | yo |
| 19:18.33 | rob-w_ba | feels like wince scored once |
| 19:19.00 | rob-w_ba | i found a working version of the orig elite game |
| 19:19.25 | rob-w_ba | for ppc :( :-) |
| 19:25.37 | rob-w_ba | ~lart myself for not beeing smart enough to port elite to gpe |
| 19:28.15 | immolo | cp15- I'm going shopping :( so if you want to check this out when I get back its up to you |
| 19:28.44 | cp15 | Ok, go on |
| 19:29.03 | immolo | you find anything though? |
| 19:29.33 | cp15 | I thought, but I was wrong. It is probably in the image build process. Kernel compiles and installs all modules correctly |
| 19:29.56 | rob-w_ba | whats the topic ? |
| 19:30.32 | immolo | why my kernel does work :P |
| 19:30.50 | cp15 | I will try to rebuild from your bb |
| 19:31.02 | immolo | with which gcc? |
| 19:31.15 | immolo | allthough why should it be an issue |
| 19:31.20 | cp15 | The one provided by oe |
| 19:31.45 | immolo | you are using the .dev? |
| 19:31.55 | cp15 | Yes |
| 19:32.03 | immolo | 3.3.6 I think then |
| 19:32.53 | cp15 | And you have used? |
| 19:32.53 | immolo | 3.4.4 |
| 19:32.53 | cp15 | I will take a look into build |
| 19:32.53 | immolo | on the oz354fam083 |
| 19:32.54 | cp15 | 4.0.0 |
| 19:33.09 | immolo | you are using 4.0.0? |
| 19:33.11 | cp15 | 3.3.3 for kernel, I think |
| 19:33.29 | cp15 | At least it is in my build directory. Now I know why so many things failed |
| 19:33.36 | immolo | gcc4 bloats everything :P |
| 19:34.28 | cp15 | Ah, I always wondered where my belly did come from :-) |
| 19:34.37 | immolo | haha |
| 19:35.05 | immolo | anyway shopping calls |
| 19:35.10 | rob-w_ba | cp15 was compiled with gcc4 ?!? |
| 19:35.12 | immolo | I'll be back in awhile |
| 19:40.09 | rob-w_ba | goes eating |
| 19:41.40 | JuNuKN | cp15- By the lack of my search, I have created a Haret Download Site in the Wiki http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HaRETDownloadSite ,- would you be so kind to upload your HaRET for me (WinCE2003/Wallaby) |
| 19:43.34 | JuNuKN | Or , better a link to it? I won't to try my luck also with the wallaby |
| 19:46.00 | cp15 | Current haret is at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=haret.exe |
| 19:50.45 | JuNuKN | thanks, I have updated the new Page ... Is it equal for all kind of MDAs? Does it detect the Hardwaretypes by itself and does the correct Memory-/Hardware-Mapping? |
| 19:52.32 | cp15 | Except for opening the sound before loading linux I haven't done something special |
| 19:52.52 | cp15 | Other devices might require a special haret, I don't know |
| 19:58.07 | JuNuKN | Oh, so I understood the things in your/our thread wrong ... thought you at least made some performance/timing changes... |
| 20:00.21 | JuNuKN | Now I let you work/test .... by |
| 20:00.22 | cp15 | I made some changes initially to get the serial port working earlier, but they are no longer necessary |
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| 20:43.08 | cp15 | Mahlzeit |
| 20:43.17 | rob_w | danke |
| 20:43.19 | rob_w | war gut |
| 20:45.10 | rob_w | looks like my host sd card reader doesnt get connected to the usb2 controller but a usb1.1 |
| 20:47.19 | cp15 | I think I haven't understand the concept fully. On my machine usb1.1 get sometimes connected to the usb2 controller and sometimes to the 1.1 |
| 20:48.26 | rob_w | i think on most motherboards you just have 1 usb2 and 2 or more usb1.1 |
| 20:49.25 | rob_w | and i guess my external usb is the usb2 and the sdcard is connectd to the slow one .. seems i need to reopen my box at one point |
| 20:50.05 | immolo | mine has the usb1 on the front, it's annoying |
| 20:50.30 | immolo | but my laptop just has 4 usb2 ports |
| 20:51.03 | rob_w | oohh |
| 20:51.17 | immolo | :P |
| 20:51.46 | immolo | haha, send some stuff to me :P |
| 20:52.49 | cp15 | immolo: What was your target for bitbake? |
| 20:53.09 | immolo | linux |
| 20:53.18 | immolo | err glibc :P |
| 20:53.23 | cp15 | No, gpe-image or ... |
| 20:53.48 | immolo | or gpe-image but a slight mod to builld the phone app |
| 20:54.30 | cp15 | Ok, I have also used gpe-image. Works farely well, and bitbake built gcc 3.4.4 also |
| 20:54.44 | immolo | using fam083? |
| 20:54.49 | cp15 | But it complained about a missing distribution version |
| 20:54.59 | cp15 | no, dev |
| 20:55.34 | immolo | yeah the guys at #oe told me to use the .oz354fam083 |
| 20:55.40 | immolo | and build that |
| 20:56.56 | immolo | I can rebuild using non version based familar |
| 20:57.04 | cp15 | Ah, ok |
| 20:57.33 | cp15 | Damned slashdot, the cvs repository is not yet mirrored, the kernel will build with old sources |
| 20:57.53 | cp15 | sourceforge I mean |
| 20:58.00 | cp15 | Maybe it's time to go to bed :-) |
| 20:58.14 | immolo | we need to get some donations and rent a cheap bit of webspace and shell |
| 20:58.30 | rob_w | bed ,. alreight |
| 20:58.32 | rob_w | oops |
| 20:58.33 | rob_w | cu |
| 20:59.33 | immolo | cp15- if I built using an unversion fam won't the kernel issue stay? |
| 20:59.58 | cp15 | Kernel issue? |
| 21:03.45 | cp15 | Please explain |
| 21:03.54 | immolo | the module loading problem |
| 21:04.38 | cp15 | Ah, ok... No, it is definetly not related to the familiar version |
| 21:06.38 | immolo | well then how about I rebuild with gcc 3.3.6? |
| 21:07.05 | cp15 | I think we have to add the missing modules to BA_MODULES_kernel26 in blueangel.conf |
| 21:07.27 | immolo | ok you got alist of the modules? |
| 21:07.45 | cp15 | Which I find a bit unfortunate, since it means blueangel.conf has to be changed very often |
| 21:08.08 | immolo | how do other pdas do it then? |
| 21:08.31 | cp15 | I will look |
| 21:08.52 | immolo | unless you change the kernel to my desktop approach |
| 21:09.07 | cp15 | You can make a list by yourself by running find . -name "*.ko" in the kernel source directory |
| 21:09.29 | immolo | where I build everything I used everyday in and anything that I know is unstable or I rarley use as a module |
| 21:10.03 | cp15 | Currently nearly everything is unstable |
| 21:10.18 | immolo | hehe :P |
| 21:10.40 | immolo | still it could be worse |
| 21:10.57 | immolo | we could have no linux at all |
| 21:11.03 | cp15 | Sorry, I thing I gave you a wrong answer. You explicitly asked me about the modules |
| 21:12.32 | immolo | oh would it be possible for you to use ext2 rather then ext3 in the next kernel change? |
| 21:13.11 | cp15 | Why? |
| 21:14.00 | immolo | do we need journalling on a pda? |
| 21:14.28 | Funklord | definitely |
| 21:14.43 | cp15 | Yes, since it will crash or loose power and then you have to run fsck |
| 21:15.07 | immolo | on a 256mb sd card :P |
| 21:15.17 | immolo | not many people have 1gb |
| 21:15.21 | cp15 | Mine is 1GB |
| 21:15.23 | Funklord | i do |
| 21:15.39 | immolo | well you shut me up :P |
| 21:16.04 | cp15 | And it is not kernel specific, you have to specify with mkfs whether you want ext2 or ext3 |
| 21:16.04 | Funklord | heh.. I understand |
| 21:16.31 | immolo | what fs would we use if we flash the ba with linux? |
| 21:16.37 | Funklord | anyhow, I think the best solution is a mix of different fs |
| 21:16.40 | cp15 | jffs2 |
| 21:16.50 | Funklord | was just gonna say that =) |
| 21:17.05 | immolo | I hate that fs :P |
| 21:17.41 | immolo | but only beacause of loads of flashs on other devices |
| 21:17.42 | cp15 | It is the only possible choice. All other filesystems will be extremely slow and destroy you onboard flash within weeks |
| 21:18.26 | immolo | oh the storage card built into the ba is it just partitioned? |
| 21:19.01 | Funklord | and cramfs |
| 21:19.28 | Funklord | to load stuff at bootup |
| 21:19.38 | cp15 | You mean the DOC chip?. Yes it is partitioned. There is a "customize" partition which does the annoying setup after a hard reset and the user partition which is what you see under storage |
| 21:20.07 | immolo | yeah I edited like you gave me the idea to boot linux on hard reset |
| 21:20.30 | immolo | I haven't got a use for your auto loader tool yet |
| 21:20.43 | cp15 | I would suggest for linux on the ba the following flash configuration |
| 21:21.03 | cp15 | Operating system and basic utilities go into pxa flash |
| 21:21.12 | cp15 | opie/gpe goes into DOC |
| 21:21.31 | cp15 | DOC and pxa flash will be union mounted under / |
| 21:22.37 | cp15 | User data goes also into DOC |
| 21:22.40 | Funklord | how easy is it to fuck up a BA? |
| 21:23.03 | Funklord | I mean.. maybe there should be 2 kernels |
| 21:23.27 | Funklord | one for emergency |
| 21:23.29 | immolo | cp15- and then sdcard will just be like wince? |
| 21:23.38 | immolo | and ram is just ram? |
| 21:23.42 | cp15 | This makes it possible to have a kind of rescue system (boot without mounting DOC) and the wear on the pxa flash will be reduced |
| 21:24.23 | cp15 | Ram will only be used for a shm ramdisk for temporary data |
| 21:24.36 | immolo | I was going to suggest that |
| 21:24.42 | Funklord | how large is the pxa-flash? |
| 21:25.16 | cp15 | The SD card will be used for larger applications which don't fit into DOC. So you can choose your SD card depending on what you want to do today with your BA |
| 21:25.29 | cp15 | pxa flash is 32 MB, DOC is about 64 MB |
| 21:26.07 | immolo | so thats where the 96mb figure comes from on my box? |
| 21:26.20 | Funklord | ah, pxa-flash is more than sufficient for a full blown rescue system |
| 21:26.48 | Funklord | my alarm clock has only 16mb flash =) |
| 21:27.16 | Funklord | and it's running X, xmms, emulators and stuff |
| 21:27.58 | cp15 | Ok, but it is not only a rescue system, it is the base system, and opie/gpe will be installed on top of it |
| 21:28.08 | immolo | cp15- right so if I add every module in that list I have and rebuild my rootfs and kernel we should have a go? |
| 21:28.53 | cp15 | I am still not happy with the "every module" thing, but for lacking a better solution, yes, try it. |
| 21:29.39 | immolo | so the pxa flash is pretty much the initrd and then it will load gpe like an extra app or will it piovt_root into the DOC? |
| 21:30.12 | cp15 | No, I will try a union mount (hope this works) |
| 21:30.40 | cp15 | So you have for example /etc/passwd (as delivered by the base distribution) on pxa flash |
| 21:30.49 | cp15 | if you do a ls /etc, you will see it |
| 21:31.12 | cp15 | Then you maybe create /etc/passwd. The union mount will put it on DOC |
| 21:31.25 | cp15 | Then you maybe create /etc/hosts. The union mount will put it on DOC |
| 21:31.32 | cp15 | Too late already :-( |
| 21:32.04 | cp15 | If you modify /etc/passwd (for example, you change your password), the union mount will copy it into DOC and change it there |
| 21:32.24 | immolo | and then save it back to pxa or willl you lose over a reboot? |
| 21:32.46 | Funklord | no, it'll be stored on both at that point |
| 21:32.55 | cp15 | No, imagine the pxa flash as a nearly read only storage |
| 21:33.19 | Funklord | then when it mounts the doc, you get your updated one |
| 21:33.22 | cp15 | Yes, you will have the original /etc/passwd on pxa flash and the modified one on DOC |
| 21:33.32 | immolo | ah I see |
| 21:33.40 | cp15 | Do you like the idea? |
| 21:34.11 | Funklord | the only working unionfs I've heard of was on netbsd |
| 21:34.13 | immolo | so DOC always gets used if the same file exists on pxa? |
| 21:34.25 | cp15 | Yes |
| 21:34.32 | Funklord | my friend was trying a couple of them, and they had some problems |
| 21:34.48 | Funklord | so don't expect it to be an easy ride =) |
| 21:34.48 | immolo | seems reasonable |
| 21:34.56 | immolo | just don't brick my ba :P |
| 21:35.22 | cp15 | Well, it will probably take some work. But the other solution would be two seperate filesystems for pxa flash and DOC |
| 21:35.39 | Funklord | yeah it gets messy |
| 21:35.48 | cp15 | And it is hard to decide what should go to pxa flash and what to doc |
| 21:36.37 | cp15 | If we, for example use pxa for / and doc for /home, you will quickly run out of space on / and maybe start symlinking |
| 21:36.56 | Funklord | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.12 | cp15 | Sure, I think it is already |
| 21:39.15 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.25 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.54 | cp15 | And in your home you have a symlink ramdisk to /media/ram/home/user |
| 21:40.24 | cp15 | .xession-errors is a symlink to /home/user/ramdisk/.xsession-errors |
| 21:43.35 | cp15 | Here is a link to unionfs: http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html |
| 21:44.14 | cp15 | On Knoppix it works quite well, you got a 1,5 GB read only root filesystem and a ramdisk union mounted over it |
| 21:48.04 | Funklord | I still haven't tried it |
| 21:49.59 | Funklord | I got a new washing machine today =) |
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| 22:00.20 | immolo | cp15- slighting changing the subject the more you use the pxa flash the quicker it dies? |
| 22:00.49 | cp15 | Same on DOC and on SD card |
| 22:01.19 | immolo | but sd cards only die on writes though? |
| 22:01.37 | cp15 | But the DOC seems to be better prepared for this and it is also bigger |
| 22:02.11 | cp15 | Yes, of course, only on writes. But whatever you use as root filesystem will get lots of them |
| 22:02.45 | immolo | so at the moment on my ba wince is installed to the pxa and the extrom is on doc with some O2 apps? |
| 22:03.09 | immolo | cp15- I saw someone get 3 days out of an sd card using it as swap :P |
| 22:03.27 | cp15 | I think it works like this: |
| 22:03.49 | cp15 | The pxa rom is completely read only. It will get written only on a firmware update |
| 22:04.19 | cp15 | At boot windows initializes a ramdisk and links the files from pxa rom in. |
| 22:04.45 | cp15 | Then it calls the customization from the first doc partition, which copies files into the ramdisk |
| 22:05.06 | cp15 | The second doc partition is unused by windows, I think |
| 22:05.52 | immolo | seems like it |
| 22:09.00 | cp15 | It also means that the first partition is permanently wasted space |
| 22:10.22 | immolo | I'm sure they add apps in there |
| 22:11.40 | cp15 | Yes, their are apps in the first partition, but all packaged in a cab which is installed into ram. So after installing the cab is useless |
| 22:12.22 | immolo | but it is needed again after a hardreset |
| 22:12.49 | immolo | it's guess it's kind of a backup |
| 22:13.09 | cp15 | Sure, but they also could have put the cabs in an uncompressed format in the DOC and just link it into the ramdisk like the pxa flash |
| 22:13.43 | immolo | we are talking about windows though :P |
| 22:13.57 | cp15 | Heh, we will make it better |
| 22:14.09 | immolo | why do that when you can waste disk space |
| 22:14.20 | immolo | I'm liking the idea of unionfs |
| 22:14.35 | immolo | I will read up on it during a break at work or something |
| 22:15.10 | cp15 | But we need to make the DOC working before we can use it |
| 22:15.34 | immolo | I had access to it |
| 22:15.48 | cp15 | ? |
| 22:16.06 | immolo | no wait the h3900 image system status showed me it existed |
| 22:16.22 | cp15 | It was probably the pxa flash |
| 22:17.06 | cp15 | There are DOC drivers in linux, but I am not shure whether they will work |
| 22:17.45 | cp15 | Ok, I will go to bed now, I am making too many mistakes |
| 22:21.27 | cp15 | Good night |
| 22:21.47 | Funklord | good night |