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15:56.00 | kencausey | Are the changes made through https://admin.handhelds.org applied through a cronjob and so delayed? |
15:56.27 | kencausey | forget it |
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18:42.07 | *** topic/#hhwiki is HH Wiki cleanup. Janitors please apply. New HH.org site running GeekLog! Obsolete packages in unstable moved to unstable/morgue, blame pb for misplaced files. http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/WikiReorganization |
19:00.16 | kencausey | Turns out Zope 2.6.1 doesn't like Python 2.1.1 and wants at least 2.1.3 |
19:00.41 | kencausey | Should we upgrade the system wide python 2.1 or should I locally install python for the new wiki? |
19:27.53 | pb_ | That sounds like a question for admin@handhelds.org. I think George wanted to upgrade to Mandrake 9 anyway, so maybe that will bring a new python for free. |
19:28.26 | AntiProxy | speaking of which, any idea why Mandrake is user? |
19:28.30 | AntiProxy | s/user/used/ |
19:28.51 | pb_ | nope. I guess it just seemed like a good idea at the time. |
19:29.06 | pb_ | I'm not sure who actually built the current handhelds.org machine. Maybe Nick. |
19:32.59 | kencausey | Happened long before Nick was around |
19:33.07 | kencausey | It was probably France or jamey |
19:33.39 | kencausey | Actually, it was on the west coast originally |
19:33.54 | kencausey | May have been built by Ed Lawler (right name?) |
19:34.42 | pb_ | Ah right |
19:38.35 | AntiProxy | Tom Lawler i thin |
19:38.36 | AntiProxy | k |
19:39.47 | kencausey | Maybe, he has a brother though if I remember right |
19:40.01 | kencausey | not really relevant I guess. |
19:42.56 | AntiProxy | i was wondering if there were any <a> tags with relative paths to ../.. or upper.. |
19:43.09 | AntiProxy | turns out the version of grep on hh.org is too old for -R .\ |
19:44.25 | AntiProxy | damn it just hit me |
19:44.33 | AntiProxy | we've been doing this all wrong .) |
19:48.08 | AntiProxy | damn PPPoA.. i got disconnecte |
19:48.10 | AntiProxy | d |
19:48.53 | pb_ | :-/ |
19:49.52 | AntiProxy | what's the last message you got from me before that? |
19:50.33 | pb_ | <AntiProxy> damn it just hit me |
19:50.33 | pb_ | <AntiProxy> we've been doing this all wrong .) |
19:50.43 | pb_ | so I've been on tenterhooks to find out what we've been doing wrong :-} |
19:50.50 | AntiProxy | well |
19:51.07 | AntiProxy | we'r now working on static.php to rewrite <a> and <img> tags... |
19:51.13 | AntiProxy | which proved to be a bit of a hassle |
19:51.26 | AntiProxy | we wouldn't have needed to do that, if it wasn't for the URLs changing |
19:51.40 | AntiProxy | since almost all the pages we'r dealing with, include ("includes/hh.inc"); |
19:51.44 | AntiProxy | why not simply edit hh.inc |
19:52.05 | AntiProxy | there won't be any need for static.php?page=blah.html |
19:52.15 | AntiProxy | external links will be maintained |
19:52.24 | AntiProxy | the transfer will be rather transparent |
19:52.26 | pb_ | mm, yes, that does seem like a plan. |
19:52.45 | kencausey | But doesn't that mean whenever geeklog is reconfiged you have to edit hh.inc? |
19:52.54 | AntiProxy | not really |
19:52.57 | kencausey | What if the user changes the theme or other display preference? |
19:53.18 | AntiProxy | that shouldn't have a negative effect |
19:53.28 | AntiProxy | in fact.. it has nothing to do with what we'r doing |
19:53.39 | AntiProxy | what i'm thinking of, is a simple script.. |
19:53.47 | AntiProxy | that loads the header ( that includes the left blocks ) |
19:53.52 | AntiProxy | the body ( the page we need ) |
19:53.56 | pb_ | kencausey: to a first approximation, we should be able to just put all the stuff currently in static.php into hh.inc, and have it "just work". |
19:54.00 | AntiProxy | the footer ( which includes the right blocks ) |
19:54.09 | AntiProxy | the blocks themselves aren't hardcoded in the script |
19:54.28 | AntiProxy | the script "draws" the page according to the selected theme.. but the Body will always be there regardless |
19:54.44 | AntiProxy | in other words.. it doesn't matter what theme you use.. the script doesn't really need to change |
19:54.58 | AntiProxy | pb_: more or less |
19:55.03 | AntiProxy | i don't wanna mess up hh.inc |
19:55.13 | kencausey | pb_: Yes I suppose so, my mind is too oriented towards systems like squeak and zope where the processing is done in a seperate process. |
19:55.18 | AntiProxy | i'll add an include("geeklogize.php"); or something like that there |
19:55.24 | AntiProxy | and do my stuff in a separate script |
19:55.57 | pb_ | ok, cool |
19:56.12 | AntiProxy | mmm |
19:56.18 | AntiProxy | what about plain html pages that have no php at all? |
19:56.26 | AntiProxy | heh |
19:56.30 | AntiProxy | this doesn't seem to wanna end |
19:56.45 | pb_ | true, we'd still need static.php for those. |
19:56.54 | AntiProxy | i figured as much |
19:57.05 | AntiProxy | but.. how would the integration be done? |
19:57.07 | kencausey | Would it be that hard to phpize them? |
19:57.23 | AntiProxy | kencausey: nope.. just add a couple of lines to the top and bottom of each file |
19:57.27 | kencausey | Right |
19:57.29 | AntiProxy | actually you got a point |
19:57.32 | pb_ | I wonder how many raw html pages we actually have, anyway. Probably only a handful. |
19:57.52 | AntiProxy | pb_: my guess is only those messed up ones (sgml?) |
19:57.56 | pb_ | There might be a few freaky ones like the old legal.html, but those probably want rewriting anyway. |
19:58.03 | pb_ | AntiProxy: oh right, yeah, the FAQ. |
19:58.25 | AntiProxy | the way i see it.. |
19:58.31 | AntiProxy | those have no PHP in them for a reason |
19:59.01 | AntiProxy | perhaps since adding the header and navigation bar will clutter up the screen |
19:59.09 | AntiProxy | so maybe we should leave those as is? |
20:00.24 | pb_ | I suspect it's more just that the SGML->HTML generator doesn't have any provision for adding PHP to the mix. But leaving them au naturel sounds OK to me as well. |
20:00.42 | AntiProxy | that could be dealt with at a later stage anyway |
20:00.47 | pb_ | yeah |
20:01.25 | AntiProxy | now the big step.. how to start? .) |
20:02.13 | AntiProxy | the easiest way is to copy the webroot here and work on it locally.. |
20:02.19 | AntiProxy | but the size makes it almost impossible |
20:02.45 | pb_ | You can try checking out the website module from CVS. |
20:02.52 | pb_ | I think that should get you most of the static content without the cruft. |
20:02.57 | AntiProxy | sounds like a good idea |
20:06.06 | kencausey | Yes. Please use CVS. ;) And commit. |
20:25.52 | AntiProxy | testing... http://www.handhelds.org/about2.html |
20:25.54 | AntiProxy | no footer yet |
21:09.55 | AntiProxy | anybody home? |
21:10.10 | AntiProxy | http://www.handhelds.org/about2.html |
21:11.10 | AntiProxy | only one hh.inc needs to be changed.. |
21:11.38 | AntiProxy | no broken links, images, etc |
21:11.47 | AntiProxy | titles, table headers as well as the language options are preserved |
21:11.52 | AntiProxy | i guess this is it |
21:11.56 | AntiProxy | lemme knwo what you think |
21:11.57 | AntiProxy | s/wo/ow/ |
21:11.58 | kencausey | Looks good |
21:12.02 | kencausey | AntiProxy: Great job! |
21:12.12 | AntiProxy | thank you .) |
21:12.23 | kencausey | Is that the only page you've applied it to yet? |
21:12.40 | kencausey | Can I help with some cut and paste grunt work? |
21:12.42 | AntiProxy | it doesn't really need to be "applied" |
21:12.55 | kencausey | It's not working for /poster/ |
21:13.04 | AntiProxy | once approved.. hh2.inc will be renamed to hh.inc |
21:13.15 | kencausey | Ah, I see |
21:13.18 | AntiProxy | and no other files need to be touched |
21:13.27 | AntiProxy | i just added about2.html for testing purposes |
21:13.31 | kencausey | right |
21:13.48 | kencausey | jg: We need some approval |
21:15.46 | AntiProxy | oh. the quicklinks need to be restored to pre-geeklog once this is up |
21:16.02 | kencausey | No biggy |
21:23.57 | AntiProxy | why is the Quick Links block shown only on the homepage? |
21:24.24 | AntiProxy | back in the old site, almost every page had the navigation bar on the left side |
21:25.10 | pb_ | yeah, I think we should put the (current) quick links on every page |
21:28.26 | kencausey | changed |
21:31.08 | AntiProxy | pb_: got any comments on about2.html ? |
21:31.51 | pb_ | looks great to me. |
21:34.03 | AntiProxy | pb_: is the 'cont' directory in /geeklog needed? |
21:35.18 | AntiProxy | btw, what are the 3 broken links in the webroot? manual;3d78e21a , manual;3e4417a8, manual;3e4437dc ? they all point to ../../../usr/share/doc/apache-manual-1.3.22 |
21:37.16 | jg | kencausey: looks good to me... |
21:37.28 | kencausey | AntiProxy: Need any more approval than that? |
21:37.35 | kencausey | jg: Thanks |
21:37.50 | AntiProxy | i guess that's it .) |
21:37.54 | AntiProxy | i'll commit hh.inc |
21:38.04 | AntiProxy | who'll take care of the Quick links? |
21:38.09 | kencausey | I can |
21:38.26 | kencausey | By the way |
21:38.37 | kencausey | Is there anyway you can make those editting textareas bigger? |
21:39.07 | kencausey | The one on the block editting page is teeny |
21:39.11 | AntiProxy | i'll look at it |
21:39.17 | AntiProxy | i think it should be possible |
21:39.23 | AntiProxy | hh.inc committed |
21:40.29 | AntiProxy | legal.html needs to be rewritten |
21:40.34 | kencausey | quick links updated |
21:40.41 | AntiProxy | it's all plain text and has the banner and navbar hardcoded in |
21:41.04 | AntiProxy | http://www.handhelds.org/downloads.html .) |
21:41.10 | AntiProxy | this wasn't possible till now |
21:41.27 | kencausey | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wincerestoration.html |
21:41.30 | kencausey | That one must also |
21:41.41 | AntiProxy | what's the deal with the funky background? |
21:41.48 | AntiProxy | <PROTECTED> |
21:41.48 | kencausey | http://www.handhelds.org/minihowto/index.html |
21:41.49 | kencausey | error |
21:42.01 | AntiProxy | hmmmmmm |
21:42.13 | AntiProxy | i'll change the path to absolute |
21:43.03 | AntiProxy | done |
21:43.18 | kencausey | Cool |
21:44.02 | AntiProxy | i like it .) |
21:45.18 | AntiProxy | i wonder if its worthwhile to fix the FAQ files |
21:48.12 | AntiProxy | hmmm |
21:48.23 | AntiProxy | seems like all the FAQs and Minihowtos need work |
21:49.13 | AntiProxy | let's make a list of all the left overs.. |
21:49.27 | AntiProxy | currently there are two types of pages that might need some work |
21:49.42 | AntiProxy | ones that have the header, navbar and footer hardcoded in them |
21:49.57 | AntiProxy | and ones that are plain html with no header, navbar or footer |
21:50.13 | AntiProxy | i think we should fix the first one at least |
21:50.22 | kencausey | grep -irL 'hh.inc' * |
21:50.38 | AntiProxy | i don't htink that'd work |
21:50.45 | kencausey | oh? |
21:51.00 | AntiProxy | the version of grep on hh.org is too old for -R |
21:51.00 | kencausey | grep -irL 'hh.inc' *.htm* |
21:51.08 | AntiProxy | mmm |
21:51.14 | kencausey | Then the man page is not synced |
21:51.19 | AntiProxy | err.. what's the difference between R and r ? .) |
21:51.32 | pb_ | AntiProxy: no, the "cont" directory is redundant. |
21:51.39 | kencausey | On debian they are the same |
21:51.49 | AntiProxy | i wonder what's changed |
21:51.54 | AntiProxy | an hour back that didn't work |
21:51.58 | AntiProxy | ( -R : invalid option ) |
21:52.04 | AntiProxy | pb_: did you update grep? |
21:52.04 | kencausey | right using -r |
21:52.12 | kencausey | -r != -R |
21:52.13 | AntiProxy | they both work now |
21:52.16 | kencausey | Oh? |
21:52.25 | kencausey | sure you weren't using busybox on the ipaq? ;) |
21:52.43 | AntiProxy | okay.. i got mixed up between terminals |
21:52.44 | AntiProxy | .) |
21:52.51 | pb_ | AntiProxy: on handhelds.org? no, but it's conceivable that france might have done. |
21:52.51 | kencausey | 8) |
21:52.55 | pb_ | oh, heh |
21:53.10 | AntiProxy | [antiproxy@srv2 geeklog] and [antiproxy@handhelds geeklog] |
21:53.14 | kencausey | Did he ever take down the server today? |
21:53.40 | AntiProxy | on later versions of grep, -R == -r |
21:53.47 | AntiProxy | anyway.. i'll stick to -r for now .) |
22:20.02 | AntiProxy | 141 files... |
22:20.05 | AntiProxy | only .P |
22:21.20 | kencausey | Did you limit that to *.htm* |
22:21.22 | AntiProxy | what's COTW? .) |
22:21.27 | AntiProxy | kencausey: yup |
22:21.46 | kencausey | context? |
22:21.57 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/COTW/ |
22:22.06 | AntiProxy | i guess we could exclude that from the list |
22:22.50 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/fom/fom-serv/cache/1.html |
22:23.02 | AntiProxy | FAQ-o-Matic? |
22:23.07 | AntiProxy | didn't know we used that |
22:23.07 | kencausey | old faq |
22:23.13 | AntiProxy | oh |
22:23.17 | AntiProxy | so we can exclude that too |
22:23.18 | kencausey | Going on 3 years of history now |
22:23.36 | AntiProxy | down to 80 |
22:23.48 | kencausey | Looks like COTW was last modified by jg in June of 2000 |
22:24.38 | AntiProxy | we can exclude projects/gpe too right? |
22:25.28 | kencausey | Yeah I'd say so |
22:25.41 | kencausey | That must be the home for http://gpe.handhelds.org |
22:26.33 | AntiProxy | i don't think so |
22:26.49 | AntiProxy | that'd be in /usr/home/gpe/website/html/ |
22:26.50 | kencausey | hmm weird |
22:27.02 | kencausey | The first time I went there I saw the gpe.handhelds.org page |
22:27.07 | AntiProxy | those seem to be obsolete |
22:27.34 | kencausey | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/GPE/ |
22:27.40 | kencausey | redirects to gpe.handhelds.org |
22:28.00 | kencausey | so probalby is obsolete |
22:28.32 | AntiProxy | damn |
22:28.37 | AntiProxy | haha.. that's ANCIENT |
22:38.44 | pb_ | oh, heh, yeah. the stuff in projects/GPE is way outdated. |
22:38.53 | AntiProxy | "Missing a logo? Then create one and contribute!" |
22:39.03 | pb_ | :-) |
22:40.37 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/~antiproxy/todo.txt |
22:41.41 | pb_ | are those all the php-less pages? |
22:41.49 | AntiProxy | yup |
22:42.24 | pb_ | righto. do we know which ones are like the old legal.html and have the hh.inc stuff expanded inline? |
22:43.20 | AntiProxy | almost all of them have the header, navbar hardcoded.. |
22:43.22 | AntiProxy | except the FAQ |
22:43.30 | AntiProxy | ( handhelds-faq ) |
22:43.51 | pb_ | ah |
22:49.09 | pb_ | I've fixed wincerestoration.html, will do the others in projects/ as well. |
22:50.20 | AntiProxy | okay.. you take projects.. |
22:50.32 | AntiProxy | i'll do the rest ( except for handhelds-faq howto and mini-howto ) |
22:50.42 | AntiProxy | till we decide what we'r gonna do with those |
22:50.54 | AntiProxy | btw.. are you using CVS for that? or editing them directly? |
22:51.13 | AntiProxy | CIA answered |
22:51.55 | pb_ | :-) |
22:52.11 | pb_ | oh oh. |
22:52.21 | pb_ | <html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" |
22:52.21 | pb_ | xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" |
22:52.25 | AntiProxy | eww |
22:52.32 | pb_ | that's projects/ts_spec.html |
22:52.37 | pb_ | I think I'm just gonna leave well alone there. |
22:52.38 | AntiProxy | that's just nasty |
22:52.38 | AntiProxy | lol |
22:53.07 | AntiProxy | http://www.handhelds.org/todo.html?lang=ca |
22:53.07 | AntiProxy | heh |
22:53.34 | pb_ | usbh_h3600 is the same. |
22:53.45 | AntiProxy | who's the author? |
22:53.57 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
22:53.57 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
22:54.44 | AntiProxy | ibot: seen flynn |
22:54.44 | | AntiProxy: i haven't seen 'flynn' |
23:00.40 | pb_ | right, that's all of projects/ done except for the Word-generated files. |
23:01.39 | AntiProxy | rewriting those is easier than fixing them |
23:01.55 | pb_ | yeah |
23:01.57 | AntiProxy | i'd convert them to plain text and take it from there |
23:02.15 | pb_ | I think I'm just gonna leave them be for now. |
23:02.26 | pb_ | I doubt people view those files very often anyway. |
23:02.28 | AntiProxy | i don't think there's much demand for them |
23:02.31 | pb_ | right |
23:02.31 | AntiProxy | yup |
23:02.35 | AntiProxy | heh |
23:04.53 | AntiProxy | the title of ts_spec.html is 'MAJOR NUMBER' |
23:04.59 | AntiProxy | i wonder where that comes from |
23:05.15 | pb_ | ah, heh, our USB card has the second highest number of clickthroughs on the geeklog links page at the moment. |
23:05.26 | pb_ | shame none of these people seem to actually be buying the thing :-} |
23:05.38 | AntiProxy | .) |
23:05.51 | pb_ | oh yeah. |
23:06.27 | AntiProxy | your USB card == interpocket? |
23:06.34 | pb_ | I guess that's Word being helpful and choosing a title based on the first few words you type, or something. |
23:07.10 | pb_ | yeah, that's right. |
23:08.39 | AntiProxy | iirc, it's possible to show the link title instead of the URL using some javascript.. |
23:08.49 | AntiProxy | i wonder if that's !IE friendly |
23:08.58 | AntiProxy | could be useful with the Links |
23:09.05 | pb_ | yeah, that might be good |
23:09.22 | AntiProxy | ( talking about the status bar.. sorry for not being clear.. i'm kinda sleepy ) |
23:09.57 | pb_ | we already had that one guy complain about the obscure internal urls for the Links. |
23:11.01 | AntiProxy | would mod_rewrite help? |
23:11.29 | AntiProxy | i never used it before, and i'm not even sure how it works |
23:11.36 | pb_ | me neither |
23:23.30 | AntiProxy | http://www.handhelds.org/Compaq/iPAQH3600/iPAQ-ToDo.html |
23:29.47 | pb_ | heh |
23:31.07 | pb_ | I think I'm gonna put both the "search" functions on one page, and remove the search entry from quick links. |
23:31.13 | pb_ | http://www.handhelds.org/geeklog/search2.php |
23:31.28 | AntiProxy | that won't do |
23:31.36 | AntiProxy | geeklog's search will only search through the database |
23:31.45 | AntiProxy | thus, static content won't be searched |
23:31.51 | AntiProxy | of course, unless we hack it |
23:31.58 | pb_ | yeah, I know, that's the reason for having two parts on that page |
23:32.09 | AntiProxy | umm |
23:32.11 | AntiProxy | People/jg.html |
23:32.11 | pb_ | it sucks a bit, but I can't think of any way to have a single form that will do both. |
23:32.18 | AntiProxy | should i fix that too? |
23:32.36 | pb_ | I'd leave that up to Jim to deal with. |
23:32.54 | AntiProxy | that's why i asked.. i'll leave it as-is for the time being |
23:33.27 | pb_ | ok |
23:37.42 | pb_ | in a similar vein to the search thing, I'd like to tie up the two forms of "contribute" into a single page. |
23:47.49 | AntiProxy | done.. |
23:48.00 | pb_ | cool |
23:48.11 | pb_ | I've also just booted "privacy" out of quick links and into the page footer. |
23:48.48 | AntiProxy | exactly my thought .) |
23:52.21 | AntiProxy | http://www.handhelds.org/Compaq/iPAQH3600/Pictures/index.html .P |
23:52.37 | AntiProxy | i don't think i've seen that before |
23:53.15 | pb_ | yeah, that's one of those obscure pages that doesn't seem to be linked from anywhere. |
23:53.37 | AntiProxy | there's one link here: http://www.handhelds.org/Compaq/iPAQH3600/ |
23:53.44 | AntiProxy | i wonder if that's linked anywhere .) |
23:55.31 | pb_ | oh, I see one effect of modifying hh.inc is that all the familiar.handhelds.org pages end up geeklog-ified as well. |
23:55.44 | pb_ | eg http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/install/release-notes.html |
23:56.06 | pb_ | I wonder if that's desirable or not. |
23:56.09 | AntiProxy | err |
23:56.14 | AntiProxy | i didn't see that one coming |
23:56.19 | pb_ | me neither. |
23:56.44 | pb_ | I think maybe we should change those pages to use a different .inc file, though I'm not sure quite what to put in it. |
23:57.03 | AntiProxy | i guess one .inc file would do |
23:57.08 | AntiProxy | it'll just be too messy |
23:57.22 | AntiProxy | otherwise.. we create another file.. say familar.hh.inc |
23:57.32 | AntiProxy | and on top of hh.inc, check the servername |
23:57.45 | AntiProxy | if it has familiar in it.. use familiar.hh.inc |
23:57.56 | AntiProxy | hmmm |
23:58.11 | pb_ | yep, I guess that'd work. |
23:58.54 | AntiProxy | something else is strange |
23:58.59 | AntiProxy | check Compaq/iPAQH3600/ScreenShots/June282000/index.html |
23:59.07 | AntiProxy | cvs seemed to add some extra stuff to the end of the file |
23:59.20 | AntiProxy | it's supposed to be: |
23:59.22 | AntiProxy | <PROTECTED> |
23:59.23 | AntiProxy | <PROTECTED> |
23:59.23 | AntiProxy | <? hh_footer() ?> |
23:59.25 | pb_ | oh, that's a conflict marker. |
23:59.55 | pb_ | means somebody had locally modified the copy of the file in the webroot, and you checked something into cvs that collided with those edits. |
23:59.57 | AntiProxy | conflict between what? |